| Wednesday, February 9th, 2011, 00:03 UTC | ||
| [00:03:30] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, so fixing it to use config.xml is a mess--due to an old, legacy settings class that's duplicating all sorts of behavior. So, before doing that, I think I need to do another settings restructuring I had been planning. |
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| [00:05:19] | wagnerrp: | im looking for a low end replacement card for a desktop |
| [00:05:26] | wagnerrp: | ive filtered by 'fanless' cards |
| [00:05:38] | wagnerrp: | and within that, newegg has one card listed 'with fan' |
| [00:06:00] | sphery: | heh |
| [00:06:13] | sphery: | maybe it means it has "less" fans thans some dual-fan cards? |
| [00:16:55] | StevenR: | hmmm. is there a way through the mythweb to start up mythfrontend on another box? |
| [00:17:17] | StevenR: | I can control it once started, but I'd like to be able to fire it up on my big screen from my laptop |
| [00:17:36] | Valen: | you could use ssh |
| [00:18:21] | StevenR: | Valen: what special magic do I need to make it run the app in the other display? |
| [00:18:32] | Valen: | display variable |
| [00:18:46] | Valen: | its not plesant |
| [00:18:58] | Valen: | why not just let myth autostart |
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| [00:19:45] | Cyd: | what did the homeless man get for christmas? |
| [00:19:58] | StevenR: | Valen: cos I'd like to use that pc as a pc too :) |
| [00:20:05] | Valen: | so? |
| [00:20:08] | Valen: | switch desktops |
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| [00:20:31] | Valen: | and if your using it as a PC why do you want to start another PC to connect to that one to click the mouse |
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| [00:24:22] | StevenR: | Valen: it's mostly laziness. If I can control it without moving... it'd be nice to start it without moving |
| [00:25:01] | wagnerrp: | Cyd: pneumonia |
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| [00:35:46] | Cyd: | no |
| [00:35:48] | Cyd: | he got nothing |
| [00:35:51] | Cyd: | because he was homeless |
| [00:36:11] | wagnerrp: | yeah... my punchline was better |
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| [00:59:54] | darkdrgn2k: | where does coverart get stored |
| [01:00:12] | wagnerrp: | where ever you tell it to |
| [01:00:14] | darkdrgn2k: | is it in storage groups? |
| [01:00:25] | wagnerrp: | the Coverart storage group |
| [01:00:31] | wagnerrp: | or if its not defined, the Videos storage group |
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| [01:00:40] | darkdrgn2k: | is there a i can check |
| [01:00:44] | darkdrgn2k: | its not loading the covers |
| [01:00:50] | darkdrgn2k: | but i set the coverart correctly |
| [01:01:31] | darkdrgn2k: | frontend log says |
| [01:01:32] | darkdrgn2k: | 2011-02–08 20:01:16.551 MythUIHelper, Error: LoadScaleImage(mv_browse_nocover.png)Unable to find image file |
| [01:01:54] | wagnerrp: | UnholyTerror: it is possible to run multiple screens off a single frontend |
| [01:02:02] | wagnerrp: | however it is anything but trivial |
| [01:02:43] | wagnerrp: | the recommended solution is to just have one PC per TV |
| [01:03:09] | wagnerrp: | there is mouse support in mythtv, and unfinished gesture support for touch |
| [01:03:35] | wagnerrp: | but the gestures are not yet hooked up to work |
| [01:03:53] | UnholyTerror: | I have a handicapped daughter who does'nt do things for herself very well, was hoping to be able to achieve this. |
| [01:04:25] | UnholyTerror: | I suppose the real trick would be controlling both tvs from the one fe? |
| [01:04:32] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp: if i delete all the data in videometadata, will that cause any problems? |
| [01:04:37] | mianos: | has onehwre here used xbmc in the mthtv menu? |
| [01:04:42] | mianos: | anyone |
| [01:05:06] | mianos: | I wacked it int he xml, seems to work ok, except it's a bit confusing for the wife |
| [01:05:23] | wagnerrp: | darkdrgn2k: better not to, several other tables you also have to clear |
| [01:05:24] | mianos: | 'exit to watch TV' seems bad grammar :) |
| [01:05:29] | wagnerrp: | just move the files into another folder, scan, move them back, and scan again |
| [01:05:45] | wagnerrp: | mianos: why do you need xbmc? |
| [01:06:06] | mianos: | playing music |
| [01:06:11] | darkdrgn2k: | mianos: mythMusic? |
| [01:06:18] | mianos: | and foreign radio streams |
| [01:06:24] | mianos: | you used mythmusic? |
| [01:06:31] | mianos: | sure, I can get it to work |
| [01:06:39] | mianos: | but the WAF is close to zero |
| [01:06:55] | mianos: | it's stable but it's not what anyone would call easy for thw eife |
| [01:06:56] | wagnerrp: | hopefully paul gets his rewrite in before 0.25 |
| [01:06:59] | mianos: | wife |
| [01:07:37] | mianos: | the possibilities are there |
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| [01:07:56] | mianos: | mythvideo, although not a tenth as slick as xbmc works very well |
| [01:08:17] | mianos: | it's all you really need |
| [01:08:26] | mianos: | acceptance is high |
| [01:10:29] | mianos: | isnt there a music plugin? |
| [01:10:36] | wagnerrp: | mythmusic |
| [01:10:40] | Valen: | mythmusic is a PITA |
| [01:10:41] | mianos: | aside from mythmusic? |
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| [01:14:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | Maybe something non-offical, and there's always myth-code-it-yourself. ;-) |
| [01:14:34] | wagnerrp: | nothing unofficial ive ever heard of |
| [01:14:49] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp: doesnt look like the covers "stick" . i erased the covers dir.. scanned it downloaded the covers when i exited and came back they are all missing again |
| [01:14:52] | darkdrgn2k: | althought files are there |
| [01:15:29] | wagnerrp: | darkdrgn2k: are you using local folders or storage groups? |
| [01:15:34] | iamlindoro: | file browse mode |
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| [01:15:45] | wagnerrp: | ah.. always forget about that |
| [01:15:50] | wagnerrp: | that really needs to be removed |
| [01:16:03] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp: storage groups |
| [01:16:13] | mianos: | haha, got me the same a few weeks ago |
| [01:16:20] | mianos: | coverat does not work with local storage |
| [01:16:28] | mianos: | it does not prepend the path properly |
| [01:16:28] | iamlindoro: | it most certainly does |
| [01:16:31] | iamlindoro: | wrong |
| [01:16:39] | mianos: | changed to storage groups and it all worked |
| [01:16:45] | mianos: | no other change |
| [01:16:49] | iamlindoro: | you're on mythbuntu |
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| [01:16:57] | mianos: | you could see the file open errorsss in the myth log |
| [01:17:05] | iamlindoro: | you've got jamu running in the background and both SGs and local paths set |
| [01:17:06] | darkdrgn2k: | if i disable file brows mode |
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| [01:17:10] | mianos: | myth on ubuntu 24+fixed ppa |
| [01:17:14] | iamlindoro: | so Jamu attempts to correct your broken setup |
| [01:17:22] | darkdrgn2k: | its starts doubling |
| [01:17:23] | iamlindoro: | and guesses that you mean to use storage groups |
| [01:17:39] | mianos: | anyway, I can't actually see any reason not to run sotrage groups even with a local cluster |
| [01:18:03] | iamlindoro: | anyway, local storage works fine with artwork |
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| [01:18:15] | wagnerrp: | no, the only reason not to use storage groups at this point is if you use encrypted ISOs |
| [01:18:18] | iamlindoro: | presuming you don't improperly configure both local and storage group paths |
| [01:19:11] | mianos: | ah, yes encrypted ISOs, I remember read that, ok 1 single reason, not none |
| [01:20:46] | mianos: | I just thought of a solution, maybe I can uninstall mythaudio and run a remote controlled audio streamer |
| [01:20:55] | wagnerrp: | mythaudio? |
| [01:20:57] | mianos: | then use the web browser to control that |
| [01:21:02] | mianos: | mytmusic I mean |
| [01:21:38] | mianos: | it's probably simpler for the isses to use a web browser or maybe her mobile phone instaed of mythmusic |
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| [01:28:44] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: you around? |
| [01:28:51] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [01:29:12] | ekristen: | pass in an except just ignores and exceptions that occur yes? |
| [01:29:21] | ekristen: | and = any |
| [01:29:26] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [01:30:17] | ekristen: | hrm ... |
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| [01:33:31] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: so if I modify that code on I believe it is 828, and rewrite the query, so it isn't doing the double replacement, I can get past the error on the MasterServerIP, but then it errors out on BackendServerPort |
| [01:34:20] | wagnerrp: | one replacement is in python string handling |
| [01:34:40] | wagnerrp: | the second is basic value substitution that any proper mysql bindings should provide |
| [01:35:07] | ekristen: | hrm, just trying to figure out why it is failing :/ |
| [01:35:14] | wagnerrp: | if your bindings do not provide that, you will have to wrap them such that you have them |
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| [01:35:36] | wagnerrp: | or else you will have to rewrite every single mysql call in the mythtv bindings that relies on those capabilities |
| [01:35:39] | adub: | im on ubuntu would it be fine to apt-get install mythtv for easy seamless installation |
| [01:35:55] | adub: | sup wagnerrp what was the site you told me the other day |
| [01:36:01] | adub: | for channel data |
| [01:36:16] | wagnerrp: | schedulesdirect or silicondust? |
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| [01:36:23] | adub: | which do you recommend |
| [01:36:40] | wagnerrp: | schedules direct provides listing data |
| [01:36:52] | wagnerrp: | silicondust provides a online digital channel list |
| [01:36:59] | wagnerrp: | they serve completely different purposes |
| [01:37:23] | adub: | ok i have only analog cable well im sure i get the free digitals |
| [01:37:38] | adub: | just basic cable i have an older basic tv card |
| [01:37:47] | wagnerrp: | silicondust should tell you what digital channels you should get in the clear on your cable system |
| [01:37:56] | adub: | on ubuntu would apt-get install mythtv be ok for isntallation |
| [01:38:10] | adub: | oh |
| [01:38:30] | adub: | will mythtv download the channeldata from schedulesdirect |
| [01:38:32] | wagnerrp: | schedules direct would provide guide data for mythtv, such that the scheduler can function properly |
| [01:38:37] | adub: | and the channels for my area in order |
| [01:38:56] | adub: | see last time i tried this i was scanning in channels |
| [01:38:56] | wagnerrp: | mythtv can download analog lineups from schedules direct, but you must scan for digital channels |
| [01:39:11] | adub: | i got some channels qam or some crap |
| [01:39:16] | adub: | also my resolution was crappy |
| [01:39:26] | adub: | ok man im going to give this a go |
| [01:39:38] | adub: | ill leave irc on and msg if i have problems |
| [01:39:59] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: found out something interesting ... |
| [01:40:00] | adub: | one last question is there a setting in mythtv to input my schedulesdirect information |
| [01:40:27] | wagnerrp: | yes, in the source configuration in mythtv-setup |
| [01:40:47] | adub: | oh so on apt-get install mythtv it will prompt |
| [01:40:51] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/iGaEQ8PG |
| [01:40:57] | adub: | for schedules info |
| [01:41:16] | ekristen: | ek, well looks like I am going to be modifying my password information now ;) :) |
| [01:41:36] | wagnerrp: | adub: why would apt-get prompt you for any mythtv setup information? |
| [01:42:03] | adub: | not sure |
| [01:42:14] | adub: | i know it does on say mysql |
| [01:42:33] | adub: | and some other appz |
| [01:42:48] | adub: | there isnt a section to add this info say in the options of myth |
| [01:42:58] | iamlindoro: | apt-get isn't going to configure mythtv for you |
| [01:43:07] | iamlindoro: | you will still need to read all the documentation and perform all the setup steps |
| [01:43:21] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: check out this traceback ... http://pastebin.com/6f6PUuY9 |
| [01:44:17] | Shadow__X: | sphery: so enter the command just like this DELETE FROM program WHERE starttime > DATE_ADD(CURDATE(), INTERVAL 1 DAY); right? |
| [01:44:25] | wagnerrp: | that looks like the same traceback |
| [01:45:16] | tgm4883: | apt-get install mythtv is incorrect for an installation on ubuntu |
| [01:46:01] | tgm4883: | adub, install mythbuntu-control-centre, then configure from there, it will install the mythtv components it needs |
| [01:46:19] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: the simple fact is if youre using a mysql library other than mysqldb, youre going to suffer all sorts of problems all throughout the bindings |
| [01:46:40] | wagnerrp: | i suggest you look at 0.25, and the library wrappers i added to support both mysqldb and oursql |
| [01:46:55] | ekristen: | didn't have an issue with 0.23 |
| [01:47:03] | ekristen: | when I swapped out mysqldb for mysql |
| [01:47:10] | ekristen: | the problem is I need a pure python library |
| [01:47:42] | wagnerrp: | the python interpreter in boxee is not sset up to allow binary modules? |
| [01:47:49] | ekristen: | correct |
| [01:49:32] | ekristen: | unfortunately :( |
| [01:51:10] | ekristen: | I wish I could just figure out what exactly it is erroring out on |
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| [02:05:28] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp: soryr had to get the wife. |
| [02:05:35] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp: whats the solution for missing cover fiels? |
| [02:07:51] | sphery: | Shadow__X: yeah, into mysql client |
| [02:08:13] | sphery: | Shadow__X: ideally between recordings |
| [02:08:30] | sphery: | Shadow__X: and then do a mythbackend --resched, then try out the UI, again |
| [02:11:11] | Shadow__X: | ah ok thats what i was missing. I did it and it ran successfully but did not do mythbackend --resched |
| [02:11:50] | Shadow__X: | i am also having the other issues of loading two sets of qt binaries |
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| [02:12:11] | darkdrgn2k: | ok i disabled file browse mode |
| [02:12:17] | darkdrgn2k: | but now i have 3 of every movie ?!?!? |
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| [02:14:41] | adub: | tgm4883 you around bro |
| [02:14:58] | adub: | do i need to install apt-get install mythubuntu after the above |
| [02:15:17] | adub: | is the package you gave just the package to configure or is it all i need |
| [02:15:20] | Shadow__X: | sphery: is it the same issue as before if it hangs while watching a video from mythvideo? |
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| [02:17:09] | sphery: | Shadow__X: don't know... mythvideo shouldn't cause a reschedule, but if one just happened to occur then, it may be related |
| [02:17:27] | sphery: | but it's sounding like it's unrelated |
| [02:17:36] | sphery: | and, perhaps a Qt or other library issue |
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| [02:20:12] | adub: | on the mythbuntu-control-centre how do i enable schedules direct through there |
| [02:20:25] | wagnerrp: | you dont, you do it in mythtv-setup |
| [02:20:39] | adub: | oh |
| [02:21:03] | adub: | wonder if this package i just installed also installed mythtv sorry im new to this |
| [02:21:31] | adub: | i guess in time |
| [02:21:36] | adub: | ill get it |
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| [02:25:05] | Shadow__X: | sphery: yeah thats why I was unsure. I have read that nigel has fixed the specific qt issue i have had with moving the build folder withing .osx-packager to build.old but when i do that i receive errors |
| [02:26:19] | Shadow__X: | also sorry for asking you a bunch of questions |
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| [02:26:36] | roscoeshark: | what are the general thoughts on the hdhomerun? i was initially shopping for just a digital tuner pci-e card, but for 80 bucks the hdhomerun looks nice. |
| [02:27:19] | wagnerrp: | $80 for the dual tuner one? |
| [02:27:29] | Shadow__X: | roscoeshark: i personally do not have one but have read about people who have them and they seem happy with them |
| [02:27:41] | roscoeshark: | http://www.silicondust.com/products/models/hdhr-t1-us/ |
| [02:27:44] | roscoeshark: | looks like single tuner |
| [02:28:03] | wagnerrp: | not worth it when the dual tuner version is readily available for <$100 |
| [02:28:22] | roscoeshark: | is there a cheap digital pci-e tuner that is recommended? |
| [02:28:45] | roscoeshark: | i was looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815100034 |
| [02:29:00] | roscoeshark: | and the hauppage HVR-1250 |
| [02:29:15] | Shadow__X: | i just realized newegg had 2tb hitachis for 59.99 with 10 MIR |
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| [02:29:21] | Shadow__X: | but alas they are sold out now |
| [02:29:34] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: didnt we tell you that like 8 hours ago? |
| [02:29:38] | sphery: | Shadow__X: no problem... sounds like you may want to refill your listings, if you haven't already... just a:\ mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all |
| [02:29:44] | wagnerrp: | roscoeshark: ive got a -1250, no complaints |
| [02:29:52] | sphery: | heh, without \... it's not a dos command on a floppy |
| [02:30:40] | Shadow__X: | sphery: ok thanks |
| [02:30:50] | roscoeshark: | wagnerrp: i guess for $55 it would do everything i need, and would probably consume less power than the hdhomerun. do you capture off the air? |
| [02:30:52] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: told me what? |
| [02:31:36] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: the hitachi hard drive |
| [02:31:52] | wagnerrp: | roscoeshark: i think it was $50 when i bought mine like 3 years ago |
| [02:32:02] | Shadow__X: | oh sorry i missed that i do not recall being here 8 hours ago |
| [02:32:09] | roscoeshark: | wagnerrp: yea, it did seem like it was pricy for as old as it is |
| [02:32:16] | ** wagnerrp checks the logs to see who it was ** | |
| [02:32:23] | roscoeshark: | wagnerrp: but ig uess its still relevant and there's nothign that is better |
| [02:32:32] | wagnerrp: | roscoeshark: the avermedia tuner is just as expensive |
| [02:32:39] | adub: | if i installed the control centre for mythbuntu |
| [02:32:47] | ** Shadow__X runs for cover just in case ** | |
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| [02:32:54] | roscoeshark: | wagnerrp: i'm more familiar with the hauppage brand, but i haven't been tuned in in the past few years |
| [02:33:12] | adub: | the im assuming i need mythbuntu-desktop instead of mythtv |
| [02:33:13] | roscoeshark: | what kind of antenna do you use? |
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| [02:33:21] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm odd |
| [02:33:27] | darkdrgn2k: | i addded a HD priority |
| [02:33:34] | darkdrgn2k: | but its not being selected |
| [02:33:42] | wagnerrp: | i see no mention of support for the bravo hybrid on the linuxtv site anyway |
| [02:33:44] | darkdrgn2k: | and there is no reason set (nothign under notes) |
| [02:33:45] | wagnerrp: | so that settles that |
| [02:33:55] | wagnerrp: | i dont use an antenna, i capture clear qam off my cable company |
| [02:34:28] | tgm4883: | adub, http://mythbuntu.org/wiki/mythbuntu-control-centre-mcc |
| [02:34:36] | roscoeshark: | wagnerrp: ah, should the 1250 do well with off-air? |
| [02:34:41] | roscoeshark: | i don't have cable. |
| [02:34:51] | roscoeshark: | and have never used digital off air, but want to try it |
| [02:35:13] | tgm4883: | adub, that should get you to a point where the right mythtv components are installed |
| [02:35:17] | wagnerrp: | i dont know the sensitivity of the tuner |
| [02:36:04] | darkdrgn2k: | anyone? scheduling recording has no note for why its not scheduled? |
| [02:36:14] | adub: | tgm4883 thanks for the insight my internet is slow for whatever reason i chose to install all the skins, lol |
| [02:38:54] | adub: | tgm4883 after going through the control centre |
| [02:39:01] | adub: | what do i do after that step |
| [02:39:06] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: I think I found the issue, but I am not sure why it is happening |
| [02:39:25] | adub: | i still do not see where to add the schedules direct account |
| [02:39:30] | roscoeshark: | wagnerrp: would you say the remote is worth $10 US? |
| [02:39:47] | adub: | tgm4883 should i install mythbuntu-desktop ? |
| [02:40:10] | wagnerrp: | roscoeshark: the remote? |
| [02:40:18] | adub: | oh sorry tgm4883 just seen response in other channel |
| [02:40:35] | roscoeshark: | wagnerrp: do you use it with linux? amazon has it for $45 w/ no remote, or $55 with |
| [02:41:06] | wagnerrp: | that card is not sold without a remote |
| [02:41:23] | roscoeshark: | http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1187-HVR-1250 . . . 1&sr=8-2 |
| [02:41:29] | roscoeshark: | http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1196-HVR-1250 . . . 1&sr=8-1 |
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| [02:42:05] | wagnerrp: | the media center version should come with a media center remote and receiver |
| [02:42:24] | roscoeshark: | on the hauppage website it explains the model numbers |
| [02:42:25] | roscoeshark: | model 01196: WinTV-HVR-1250 with NSTC/ATSC/QAM support, Hauppauge remote control and English manual |
| [02:42:28] | roscoeshark: | model 01187: WinTV-HVR-1250 MC board only with NSTC/ATSC/QAM support |
| [02:44:19] | roscoeshark: | do you use the remote with myth/ |
| [02:44:28] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: for some reason when it gets to MasterServerIP, the mysql library is separating the letters as arguments, and I can't figure out why, its bizzare |
| [02:45:06] | wagnerrp: | because its handling it as an iterable |
| [02:45:11] | wagnerrp: | and im feeding it a single string |
| [02:45:16] | wagnerrp: | rather than a tuple of strings |
| [02:45:31] | wagnerrp: | one of the things i had to correct to get oursql to work in 0.25 |
| [02:45:37] | ekristen: | ah ok |
| [02:46:07] | ekristen: | hrm |
| [02:46:36] | ekristen: | I just forced key to be a string, and that didn't work ... :/ |
| [02:46:59] | wagnerrp: | no, you need to pass it as ('key',), rather than 'key' |
| [02:48:02] | ekristen: | (key,) you mean ;) |
| [02:48:06] | ekristen: | omg, I am getting somewhere |
| [02:48:24] | wagnerrp: | youre going to find a lot of those issues throughout the bindings |
| [02:48:41] | ekristen: | hrm, its getting stuck on BackendServerPort |
| [02:48:42] | ekristen: | :/ |
| [02:48:53] | wagnerrp: | take a look at 0.25, it will probably be a lot easier to write a new wrapper for use in 0.25, and rewrite all the changes i made to make oursql work |
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| [02:49:07] | ekristen: | ok |
| [02:49:30] | pyther: | Ahh man, myth is hung at "Skip Back" is there anyway to get back a livetv recording? |
| [02:49:37] | ekristen: | its weird I got it almost there but now it says that it can't find the BackendServerPort |
| [02:49:39] | ekristen: | which is just odd |
| [02:50:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, joseph fry's recorder description on the -users mailing list is more along the lines of a something I described a while back. the import recorder could be modified to support it, daniel and I talked about it once. the idea was to extend the external channel changer concept a little further so that there was a command to start a recording and another to end a recording. so theoretically you could have a start c |
| [02:50:45] | Captain_Murdoch: | ommand that just did "cat /dev/video1 > /%DIR%/%FILENAME% &" and a 'end' command that (just as an example) did "killall cat". so theoretically, you could use this to record from a windows tuner using native windows commands. some like the idea, others oppose because it might hinder native recorder class development. |
| [02:51:12] | darkdrgn2k: | how can you force a reschedule? |
| [02:51:19] | Captain_Murdoch: | mythbackend --resched |
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| [02:52:47] | darkdrgn2k: | Captain_Murdoch: danke |
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| [02:53:15] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: while youre around, if you get some free time in the next few days, i put up some initial libraries for the modular protocol rewrite |
| [02:53:33] | wagnerrp: | if youve got any suggestions, recommendations, you're doing it all wrongs, ... |
| [02:55:14] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, saw your commits in the -commits channel. I'll try to take a look. is it in a usable state now if I wanted to take a look? |
| [02:55:33] | wagnerrp: | barely usable |
| [02:55:34] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: so ran into a problem (shocking) the bindings are looking for BackendServerIP where hostname is the IP of my box, but in the database it has the hostname ;/ |
| [02:55:38] | wagnerrp: | it compiles, doesnt segfault |
| [02:55:49] | wagnerrp: | but im sure the reference handling isnt correct, and im leaking sockets |
| [02:55:59] | wagnerrp: | and there is only a single handler right now, for basic information queries |
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| [02:56:07] | wagnerrp: | memory, uptime, timezone, etc... |
| [02:56:35] | wagnerrp: | for now, im going to get it working with a fileserver binary before trying to migrate the backend to it |
| [02:56:55] | jesse_: | hey guys.. I'm curious as to what I should have my system set to for playback.. ie, slim vs cpu++ vs etc... |
| [02:57:08] | jesse_: | I have a GT430 |
| [02:57:09] | adub: | wagnerrp i have finished mythbuntu control centre i believe i did the system roles and set the primary option |
| [02:57:29] | adub: | the primary backend |
| [02:57:34] | adub: | the i hit apply |
| [02:57:41] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, yeah, saw the fileserver add, that sounds good. that's a large reason people want tunerless backends. |
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| [03:02:19] | wagnerrp: | i think sphery has plans to handle the tunerless backend at some point in the not so distant future |
| [03:02:55] | wagnerrp: | break out the scheduler and housekeeper as a stepping stone to the embedded database |
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| [03:03:41] | roscoeshark: | anyone else have thoughts on hdhomerun vs hd-1250? |
| [03:04:30] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: as always, thanks, I'll look at the 0.25 bindings tomorrow |
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| [03:06:08] | darkdrgn2k: | wow |
| [03:06:12] | Shadow__X: | roscoeshark: get the hdhomerun dual tunner edition |
| [03:06:31] | Shadow__X: | you get 2 tuners and still have a free slot in the computer |
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| [03:06:57] | roscoeshark: | Shadow__X: on amazon it's $68 vs $120 for single vs dual, with that i am leaning towards the single tuner hdhomerun |
| [03:07:00] | roscoeshark: | for $68 |
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| [03:07:40] | wagnerrp: | plan for the future, get the dual |
| [03:08:07] | pyther: | I wish an amplifier wasn't so much |
| [03:08:11] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm is there anyway to set the tuner to start a few mins early if it CAN |
| [03:08:14] | pyther: | I'd like dual tuners in my box |
| [03:08:26] | pyther: | darkdrgn2k: there is in the web interface |
| [03:09:01] | darkdrgn2k: | pyther: but will it scrap the early record if it conflicts with somethign else? |
| [03:09:12] | pyther: | yes |
| [03:09:19] | pyther: | I'm pretty sure |
| [03:09:24] | darkdrgn2k: | o.O |
| [03:09:29] | darkdrgn2k: | didnt use to back in like 21 |
| [03:09:50] | pyther: | I might be wrong |
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| [03:13:43] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: btw, was there any particular reason you had a couple of recordedfile videoseek/videomarkup fields as signed, where they're unsigned in recordedseek/recordedmarkup (like mark, offset, and data), or was it just a clerical error? |
| [03:14:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | probably the fact that I never went over that schema very well. it was thrown together one night I think and just added to here and there over time. |
| [03:14:56] | adub: | ok i tgm4883 i ran through the centre now what do i do |
| [03:15:19] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: cool, that's what I figured--I noticed, also, I had a couple of my own clerical errors in the E/R diagram (where I made videomarkup.data a bigint, even though it's an int) |
| [03:16:07] | sphery: | I need to throw together a proposed list of tv/movie metadata fields to bounce of iam lin doro so I can actually get the tables in place and maybe switch over the mythvideo side |
| [03:17:06] | tgm4883: | adub, go into mythtv-setup and finish each step |
| [03:17:52] | adub: | should i run this as standard user? |
| [03:17:58] | nutron: | !bot |
| [03:18:02] | tgm4883: | adub, most anything you would have to deal with setup is either on the mythtv wiki or http://mythbuntu.org/wiki/mythbackend-setup |
| [03:18:07] | nutron: | blah nvm me |
| [03:18:15] | tgm4883: | adub, run it from MCC |
| [03:18:19] | tgm4883: | it's on one of the tabs |
| [03:18:30] | adub: | tgm4883 i ran it from command line |
| [03:18:35] | adub: | how do i run it from mcc |
| [03:18:43] | adub: | sorry for so many questions i have just never done this |
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| [03:24:31] | adub: | setup is never easy it says it cant connect to the database |
| [03:24:43] | adub: | im on database configuration 1/2 |
| [03:24:52] | darkdrgn2k: | adub |
| [03:25:03] | darkdrgn2k: | adub: is your database running, did you enter the right ip address of it |
| [03:25:24] | darkdrgn2k: | adub: doest the database have a schema |
| [03:25:32] | adub: | hostname is localhost |
| [03:25:41] | darkdrgn2k: | ok thats fine |
| [03:25:45] | darkdrgn2k: | is your databse runnin |
| [03:25:48] | adub: | im not sure |
| [03:25:55] | adub: | do i have to set one up |
| [03:25:59] | adub: | in control centre |
| [03:26:04] | adub: | like is that a requirement |
| [03:26:06] | darkdrgn2k: | what your running |
| [03:26:43] | adub: | only thing i have done so far is the mythbuntu control centre but im not sure if i even did that right |
| [03:26:54] | adub: | but i went through and made a primary backend or soemthing then applied |
| [03:26:57] | adub: | then closed |
| [03:26:59] | darkdrgn2k: | sorry i never dont mythbuntu i always did from scrath lol |
| [03:27:06] | darkdrgn2k: | check to see if mysql is running |
| [03:27:06] | adub: | then now mythtv-setup |
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| [03:27:45] | iamlindoro: | adub, it is nearly impossible to fudge your way through setup. You really, really need to read the MythTV documentation to understand what each step is, and what it does |
| [03:28:02] | iamlindoro: | if you don't, you are going to spend literally weeks trying to make it work by fumbling through it |
| [03:28:14] | adub: | processes has mythbackend running |
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| [03:29:53] | adub: | i forgot to enable myql service |
| [03:29:58] | adub: | in the control centre |
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| [03:38:24] | mrfg: | I have problem installing hauppauge hvr 2200 driver on ubuntu 64bit, my system is : i7 950, evga 4 way sli x56 board, hauppauge hvr 2200 (2250), OS : ubuntu 10.10 64 bit |
| [03:38:39] | mrfg: | dmesg says "[ 15.595258] saa7164_initdev() Unsupported board detected, registering without firmware |
| [03:38:39] | mrfg: | " |
| [03:39:12] | mrfg: | [ 15.595258] saa7164_initdev() Unsupported board detected, registering without firmware |
| [03:39:48] | mrfg: | and I tried several ways with no luck |
| [03:40:01] | mrfg: | can anyone help on this please? |
| [03:40:24] | adub: | after myth-setup do i just run mythtv |
| [03:40:32] | mrfg: | is it about 64 bit OS or mainboard? |
| [03:40:44] | adub: | i think i got this going i got a database connection then it through me to the other settings i setup capture card and video source |
| [03:41:09] | adub: | used my account from schedules direct |
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| [03:43:03] | mrfg: | nobody? |
| [03:43:10] | mrfg: | ? |
| [03:43:12] | adub: | after mythtv-setup what do i need to run to watch tv |
| [03:43:36] | wagnerrp: | mrfg: the guy you would need to ask about that left about 45 minutes ago |
| [03:43:55] | wagnerrp: | the #linuxtv channel would probably be better |
| [03:44:42] | adub: | wagnerrp after mythtv-setup what do i need to run to watch tv |
| [03:44:44] | mrfg: | wagnerrp tnx |
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| [03:45:25] | wagnerrp: | adub: all outlined explicitly in the doc |
| [03:45:42] | adub: | hmm |
| [03:45:58] | adub: | i looked through it and i dont see |
| [03:46:12] | adub: | im assuming i need to download a client |
| [03:46:43] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is split between the frontend, backend and database |
| [03:46:49] | wagnerrp: | database stores the data |
| [03:46:53] | wagnerrp: | backend does the recording |
| [03:46:56] | wagnerrp: | frontend does the playback |
| [03:47:04] | wagnerrp: | you must start the database, then the backend, then the fronten |
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| [03:49:24] | adub: | backend and database are running |
| [03:49:31] | adub: | i just checked process |
| [03:49:33] | adub: | and i scan for the port |
| [03:50:04] | adub: | it went through and was showing where i was downloading data from schedules direct |
| [03:50:12] | adub: | at the end of mythtv-setup |
| [03:50:23] | adub: | i noticed frontend was not installed so i installed frontend |
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| [03:52:22] | mrfg: | wagnerrp , any tip, idea, url on my problem? |
| [03:52:33] | adub: | got it |
| [03:52:36] | adub: | mythfrontend |
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| [03:54:36] | wagnerrp: | mrfg: the driver is complaining about an unknown board, and so its refusing to load support |
| [03:54:40] | wagnerrp: | which is frankly baffling |
| [03:54:47] | wagnerrp: | as the guy who designed the board wrote the drivers |
| [03:56:06] | wagnerrp: | either way, youre much more likely to get help from the linuxtv people |
| [03:56:06] | wagnerrp: | either from their IRC channel or their mailing list |
| [03:57:30] | iamlindoro: | Unless the hardware revision is newer than the driver |
| [03:57:40] | mrfg: | tnx again |
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| [04:15:14] | iamlindoro: | dude gave up after 10 minutes inf linuxtv |
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| [04:15:23] | iamlindoro: | he'll never get an answer that way |
| [04:15:38] | wagnerrp: | did he give up or crap out? |
| [04:15:48] | wagnerrp: | 'remote host closed the connection' is not a typical signoff |
| [04:16:15] | iamlindoro: | it's not a ping timeout |
| [04:16:24] | iamlindoro: | or a read error |
| [04:16:41] | Valen: | its close to ping timeout |
| [04:16:50] | Valen: | similar causes |
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| [04:24:24] | Newbuntu81: | i buddy listed him...same board as me. |
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| [04:56:38] | wagnerrp: | sphery: seems NCIS is on the way out |
| [04:56:44] | wagnerrp: | they did a clipshow episode |
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| [05:05:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: oh, no |
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| [05:14:59] | cesman: | lol |
| [05:15:19] | cesman: | because they did a clip show episode, they are on the way out? |
| [05:18:09] | wagnerrp: | yep, theyre out of ideas |
| [05:18:34] | wagnerrp: | when you run out of ideas? hey! lets reminisce on all our old successes! yeah, thats a good filler idea! |
| [05:19:04] | wagnerrp: | 'course its not going to bother me |
| [05:19:13] | wagnerrp: | i half expect to stroke out before morning |
| [05:19:29] | wagnerrp: | ever had sinus pressure so bad that when you cough, it makes you light headed? |
| [05:22:10] | wagnerrp: | oh, and its backed up into my right eustachian tube too |
| [05:22:28] | wagnerrp: | so any time i burp, yawn, or hiccup, my ear violently pops |
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| [05:40:57] | Beirdo: | oh oh |
| [05:41:02] | Beirdo: | you need to get smashed |
| [05:41:36] | Beirdo: | dunno if it would help, but at least you might not care for a bit |
| [05:41:53] | wagnerrp: | honestly? ive never had a hangover |
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| [05:42:18] | Beirdo: | drink more :) |
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| [05:42:36] | wagnerrp: | ive been what was probably dangerously drunk on multiple occasions |
| [05:50:45] | cesman: | no pain worst than sinus pain |
| [05:51:04] | cesman: | that is how I'd like to tourture someone given the opportunity |
| [05:51:15] | cesman: | mmmhahahahaha |
| [05:51:28] | ** wagnerrp backs away slowly ** | |
| [05:57:43] | Beirdo: | cesman: I'm sure half the world's population would disagree |
| [05:57:58] | wagnerrp: | half? |
| [05:58:01] | Beirdo: | childbirth has gotta be worse |
| [05:58:14] | wagnerrp: | but theres an end in sight to that |
| [05:58:19] | wagnerrp: | you know its going to be over eventually |
| [05:58:27] | Beirdo: | and the other half would rather have sinus pain than a swift kick to the balls |
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| [05:59:57] | Beirdo: | but yeah, sinus pain ranks up there |
| [06:00:10] | Beirdo: | a constant horrid pain |
| [06:00:13] | wagnerrp: | its not so much intense, as constant |
| [06:00:29] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt go away, you cant block it out, you cant get used to it |
| [06:00:45] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:00:50] | Beirdo: | it suckth |
| [06:05:21] | wagnerrp: | seems somewhere somehow, ive introduced a deadlock |
| [06:08:09] | wagnerrp: | ah... thats why stuff is reprocessed through the event system |
| [06:08:30] | wagnerrp: | so the call can return, and the mutex unlocked, before allowing the other task in to lock it and do its thring |
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| [06:56:35] | qwerty_: | Anyone had any luck with getting a ir receiver to work wit mythbuntu and a hauppauge 2250? |
| [06:57:31] | Cyd: | shhh |
| [06:58:50] | qwerty_: | Are we hunting wabbits? |
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| [07:00:24] | Cyd: | lol |
| [07:00:27] | Cyd: | best reply to my shh ever |
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| [07:36:51] | justinh: | why aren't mythbuntu questions being asked in #mythbuntu? Or are they – and folks are being a little impatient & just asking here anyway? |
| [07:37:25] | sulx: | they think mythtv = mythbuntu |
| [07:37:45] | Cyd: | A duck walks into a bar, the bartender says, "What'll it be?" The duck doesn't say anything because its a duck. |
| [07:37:47] | sulx: | as ubuntu is only linux distro available |
| [07:39:11] | justinh: | anyway, far better to say "hi, I've got a hauppauhe 2250 & I'm having such & such a problem getting lirc to work with it" |
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| [07:45:16] | justinh: | if anybody has any problems with newer lirc receivers IMHO it's likely it's because they also appear as human input devices – which would be fine if all the buttons output X events & if X supported all the keycodes they produce. then all folk would need to do is map them in mythfrontend |
| [07:46:40] | Cyd: | A visibly exhausted and distressed man walks into a bar and orders a strong drink. |
| [07:46:40] | Cyd: | "Long day?" the bartender asks. |
| [07:46:40] | Cyd: | "No, all days are 24 hours long" the man replies, amazed at how uneducated the bartender is. |
| [07:48:36] | wagnerrp: | BAH! |
| [07:49:11] | justinh: | hmmm Gallery3 appears to suck |
| [07:49:20] | wagnerrp: | ive been dicking around with this code for the last hour and a half trying to figure out why it wasnt working properly |
| [07:49:39] | wagnerrp: | turns out i had a spurious '!' in a boolean check |
| [07:49:50] | justinh: | uploads from my laptop were taking an age last night so I thought today I'd try from the same machine the server runs on.. and it's still dog slow |
| [07:49:52] | wagnerrp: | every time it was supposed to pass, it failed |
| [07:50:19] | justinh: | wagnerrp: whoops :-) With me it's usually my utter lack of code-fu that gets me ;-) |
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| [07:57:09] | ** justinh goes looking for online storage better than S3 – preferably one where files can easily be renamed/moved/deleted ** | |
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| [08:00:19] | wagnerrp: | you know, now this code is just mocking me |
| [08:01:44] | kormoc: | justinh, rsync.net |
| [08:02:12] | Beirdo: | kormoc: is "DELETE IF EXISTS" standard SQL or mysql-specific? |
| [08:02:29] | kormoc: | Nether? |
| [08:02:30] | wagnerrp: | the worst bit is, every small change in logging i make, its two minutes to build a new binary |
| [08:02:53] | justinh: | kormoc: cheers :) |
| [08:03:11] | Beirdo: | heh, my brain is shutting down for the evening |
| [08:03:30] | kormoc: | Beirdo, perhaps you mean DROP TABLE/DATABASE IF EXISTS? |
| [08:03:34] | justinh: | much better than S3... that thing sounds like a good idea at the time but as soon as you see the interface... |
| [08:03:46] | kormoc: | and the answer if so is no, it's mysql specific |
| [08:04:00] | kormoc: | justinh, s3 is great for web assets, but beyond that... |
| [08:04:16] | Beirdo: | ahhh, my brain was mixing several things |
| [08:04:18] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:04:21] | Beirdo: | figures |
| [08:04:30] | wagnerrp: | i dont need to re-link all the executables every time i change a library do i? |
| [08:04:43] | wagnerrp: | i only have to do it if im changing function inputs/outputs? |
| [08:04:56] | Beirdo: | I think what I was actually thinking of is DELETE IGNORE |
| [08:05:00] | Cyd: | who wants to hear the best knock knock joke? |
| [08:05:12] | Beirdo: | Cyd: likely nobody |
| [08:05:15] | Cyd: | aww |
| [08:05:59] | kormoc: | Beirdo, aye, it's mysql specific. It's really only useful for FK constraint breakage |
| [08:06:00] | ** wagnerrp misses python and instant gratification programming ** | |
| [08:07:08] | Beirdo: | K. My goal is to delete a markup and then insert |
| [08:07:23] | justinh: | rofl... what is this 'topics' directory Picasa found on my box? It's got various icons indicating it might be from a theme – most interestingly one bearing the text "Colledge" |
| [08:07:34] | justinh: | somebody didn't make it into any college with spelling like that |
| [08:07:51] | Beirdo: | I mean, I could select to see if it exists, then update if it is... but... I was looking for the "simple" way |
| [08:08:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, just DELETE where |
| [08:08:12] | kormoc: | Beirdo, if it doesn't match, it doesn't delete, it's not a error if there is no matching rows |
| [08:08:18] | Beirdo: | perfect |
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| [08:08:32] | Beirdo: | as long as it's not raising an error. |
| [08:08:40] | justinh: | OMG... that icon is from mythnetvision |
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| [08:08:48] | Beirdo: | 0 matching rows != error, then all is good |
| [08:08:54] | kormoc: | aye, no problems |
| [08:09:29] | justinh: | mythplugins/mythnetvision/mythnetvision/icons/directories/topics/college.png |
| [08:09:45] | wagnerrp: | woo! finally fixed it |
| [08:10:08] | justinh: | oo boy. iamlindoro committed that |
| [08:10:26] | ** justinh hides ** | |
| [08:10:34] | Beirdo: | on someone's behalf, I hope |
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| [08:11:07] | justinh: | they don't look like they're his style... so hopefully.. ;-) |
| [08:11:51] | Beirdo: | maybe it's meant to be the edge of a coll? |
| [08:12:22] | justinh: | by that I mean they make me want to do my own set with more general appeal – i.e. not using that font with the faux metal shading & without the God awful background |
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| [08:13:08] | Beirdo: | as long as it's not black on black or something silly, I'm sure it will be useful :) |
| [08:13:20] | justinh: | they might've been changed since anyway – it's just what I found lying on my HDD |
| [08:13:42] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: we have too much of that in our city already |
| [08:13:57] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:14:01] | justinh: | I installed picasa on the machine so I can download all my albums & it went in there & rooted out every darn image file |
| [08:14:29] | wagnerrp: | i forget who it was... some official... quoted as saying the only time white people get shot is when theyre on vine street to buy drugs |
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| [08:15:00] | justinh: | grr why is there no REMOVE ALL button, Picasa? |
| [08:15:06] | Beirdo: | or when they say stupid things like that |
| [08:16:08] | MMlosh: | Hi! Is it possible to use program data from DVB-T tuner for programs on iptv tuner? preferably having channels from both sources on the same numbers (ah.. nevermind.. found a (nasty?) solution – connecting iptv sources to the same input as dvbt) |
| [08:16:37] | wagnerrp: | no, you do not want to do that |
| [08:16:49] | wagnerrp: | IPTV and digital use different tuning parameters |
| [08:16:52] | wagnerrp: | they cannot share sources |
| [08:18:02] | justinh: | MMlosh: the best way to do that would be to grab data from dvb-t & turn it into xmltv data – e.g. with tv_grab_dvb |
| [08:18:22] | MMlosh: | wagnerrp, it turns out they can |
| [08:18:26] | Beirdo: | OK, I think I'm done with tweaking that for tonight |
| [08:18:31] | MMlosh: | this iptv requires no parameters |
| [08:18:40] | MMlosh: | only callsign |
| [08:19:09] | justinh: | MMlosh: not so much about tuning – much more about *method* |
| [08:19:25] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, justinh, Guess MMlosh is the expert then! |
| [08:19:34] | MMlosh: | what? |
| [08:19:38] | justinh: | i.e. mythbackend uses entirely different tuning & recording classes so you can't mix source types like that |
| [08:19:39] | Beirdo: | justinh: the BBC is on my naughty list again |
| [08:19:48] | justinh: | Beirdo: what've they done now? |
| [08:19:48] | MMlosh: | no.. I know it is weird.. but it somehow works |
| [08:20:04] | Beirdo: | justinh: removed iPlayer for radio sources.. completely |
| [08:20:07] | wagnerrp: | youve actually tried it and it works? or mythtv-setup lets you do it? |
| [08:20:13] | MMlosh: | wagnerrp, yes |
| [08:20:17] | Beirdo: | they will be replacing it with something "better" |
| [08:20:28] | justinh: | I'm not their biggest fan anymore either. they announce an Android iPlayer app & then say it's only gonna be available for 2.2 and with a requirement for Flash |
| [08:20:33] | MMlosh: | it forbids scanning on that input, of course |
| [08:20:55] | justinh: | bloody Adobe lovers. they need taken to task over that for violating their own charter |
| [08:21:03] | Beirdo: | I wish I paid the UK TV License fee so I had the right to hold their feet over the fire a bit. |
| [08:21:22] | Beirdo: | not like they give me any option to do so |
| [08:21:44] | justinh: | I'd much rather they turn around to content producers & say shove it – or else just take the streaming stuff away rather than say we're giving Adobe all our business |
| [08:22:01] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:22:02] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [08:22:23] | justinh: | their charter states that they're not allowed to promote one business or service over another |
| [08:22:44] | Beirdo: | like they are gonna follow that |
| [08:22:44] | justinh: | they go on about transparency a lot too |
| [08:22:59] | justinh: | yeah well they can go to hell |
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| [08:23:27] | justinh: | none of their stupid Adobe love is going to stop people 'ripping' the low bitrate streams if they *really* want to |
| [08:23:38] | justinh: | legitimate users are being penalised yet again |
| [08:23:43] | justinh: | *paying* users |
| [08:23:56] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:24:06] | justinh: | for once I'm going with the Open Rights Group.. blimmin bunch o freetards |
| [08:24:06] | MMlosh: | justinh, also: the iptv "pseudotuner" provides the data in the same format – the way it arrives from DVB-T. I would have to do tv_grab_dvb periodically, right? |
| [08:24:35] | justinh: | MMlosh: no, you'd only need to do it once – then mythtv becomes omnicognic & can see into the future! |
| [08:24:38] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'm left with no source of Goon Shows to listen to for a bit |
| [08:24:42] | Beirdo: | oh well |
| [08:24:54] | justinh: | Beirdo: I'd have thought you had every single one by now |
| [08:25:06] | Beirdo: | most, probably |
| [08:25:07] | justinh: | it didn't go on for that long.. or did it? |
| [08:25:08] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:25:27] | Beirdo: | quite a while... 10 seasons or so, I think |
| [08:25:44] | Beirdo: | but not all are available |
| [08:26:51] | Beirdo: | anyways, I think it's high time for me to hit the sack |
| [08:26:55] | MMlosh: | justinh, really? ok then, then there's no reason to do the things in the nasty way... can you please point me to full howto for that (or related wiki page)? |
| [08:27:13] | Beirdo: | seeya all later |
| [08:27:14] | justinh: | the BBC kyboshed the last iplayer app for android because it bypassed their protectionist methods |
| [08:27:18] | justinh: | Beirdo: night |
| [08:27:57] | justinh: | MMlosh: there is no full howto for what you want to do. But tv_grab_dvb is likely the best way |
| [08:28:13] | MMlosh: | hmm.. that requires having the tuner in the moment, right? |
| [08:28:17] | justinh: | yes |
| [08:28:27] | MMlosh: | hmm.. I'll have to do that later, then |
| [08:29:19] | justinh: | btw if you want to use the DVB tuner in mythtv aswell – er... then this really isn't a good idea at all |
| [08:29:38] | justinh: | you'll have to find some other way of getting EPG data for the IPTV channels |
| [08:30:28] | MMlosh: | why? |
| [08:31:05] | justinh: | because for tv_grab_dvb to work your DVB tuner has to be available |
| [08:31:14] | justinh: | and if you're using it in mythtv already it's NOT available |
| [08:31:20] | justinh: | simples |
| [08:31:52] | MMlosh: | but you said I need to do that once... |
| [08:31:58] | MMlosh: | I am confused |
| [08:32:07] | justinh: | I was being sarcastic |
| [08:32:18] | justinh: | of *course* you need to run the grabber periodically |
| [08:32:28] | MMlosh: | I thought so... but everything is possible :) |
| [08:32:36] | justinh: | how often you need to run it depends on how much EPG data is made available at a time |
| [08:33:23] | MMlosh: | this is a testing setup anyway.. I'll buy higher-quality xmltv data as soon as I get the real mythtv backend hardware |
| [08:33:53] | MMlosh: | I guess I'll wait whether it'll break down or not (keeping the nasty configuration) |
| [08:34:45] | justinh: | why would you even need a DVB tuner if you have IPTV anyway? Can't you get all you need over IP? |
| [08:34:47] | MMlosh: | I don't mind loosing recorded shows and mythtv configuration if something goes wrong... |
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| [08:35:02] | MMlosh: | justinh, I can't... it is not a real tuner |
| [08:35:05] | justinh: | oh I'm sure we'll mind – cos you'll come here asking for help when it all goes wrong :P |
| [08:35:44] | MMlosh: | I won't come.. I'll just reset the configuration to this moment... or finally purchase a dedicated server and do it correctly |
| [08:36:51] | MMlosh: | the this is ... the tuner is somewhere in the building.. I can't take it with me. dvbt tuner is used on other places.. and for getting two extra multiplexes I don't usually need |
| [08:36:57] | MMlosh: | *the thing is |
| [08:37:44] | MMlosh: | I don't use both at the same time.. usually only one of them is "present" |
| [08:38:01] | justinh: | then it's even less of a good idea |
| [08:38:32] | MMlosh: | I know.... but I don't know why.. |
| [08:38:35] | justinh: | see, without regularly updated EPG data mythtv is pretty much absolutely useless |
| [08:38:56] | MMlosh: | well... I am moving to the no-iptv location periodically |
| [08:39:09] | justinh: | it's also not so good if you move around much |
| [08:39:31] | MMlosh: | so the data gets updated at least once a week, which gives the data for a week at minimum |
| [08:39:44] | justinh: | its design is pretty much based on the assumption that the tuner will always be there & that it won't be moving house every week |
| [08:40:20] | justinh: | which most people would agree is a pretty sane set of assumptions to make ;-) |
| [08:40:22] | MMlosh: | that is a reasonable assumption... |
| [08:42:46] | MMlosh: | so.. I am running mythtv outside of the normal bounds and I am aware of it.. It is a temporary setup, so I don't care (unfortunatelly the only computer that is powerful enough for video processing is my laptop.....) |
| [08:45:45] | MMlosh: | justinh, can I have a different question? VLC suports time stretch up to 4x... is there a way how to play faster in mythtv too? and what about honoring cutlist while transcoding (invoked form mythfrontend menu)... hmm.. too much questions.. please answer only if you really want to.. thanks |
| [08:46:03] | justinh: | up to 4x?! |
| [08:46:05] | justinh: | jesus |
| [08:46:15] | justinh: | there's no way that can remain intelligible |
| [08:46:51] | justinh: | 2x is pushing the limit for speech in most shows in my experience |
| [08:47:16] | justinh: | the limit of 2x mythfrontend has is hard coded – no doubt easily changed by hacking one line in the source |
| [08:47:18] | sid3windr: | watching porn faster means you can "get" to the end without being satisfied after 2 minutes! |
| [08:47:28] | ** sid3windr hides again ** | |
| [08:47:54] | justinh: | I didn't know VLC could timestretch. wonder how long it'll be before XBMC catches up |
| [08:48:10] | MMlosh: | justinh, true... some shows are useless even at 1.5 |
| [08:48:30] | MMlosh: | but some cartoons are at 2x about the same as others at 1x |
| [08:48:41] | justinh: | a friend of mine was talking about watching Dexter at 1.5x on their DVD player. I said "ooo, didn't know DVD players could timestretch now too" – and she said "nah, it just plays it faster" LOL |
| [08:49:03] | MMlosh: | well.. our DVR can do 1.5 .. but only 1.5 |
| [08:49:17] | justinh: | 1.5 is a reasonable maximum IMHO |
| [08:49:24] | MMlosh: | but I guess it's framedropping or something |
| [08:49:46] | MMlosh: | usually yes |
| [08:49:59] | justinh: | and as for honouring the cutlist when transcoding (what a waste of time that is IMHO) – yes but ONLY if it's a manual cutlist |
| [08:50:31] | MMlosh: | really? how? |
| [08:50:35] | justinh: | you don't really want to destructively edit a file which has been flagged automatically |
| [08:50:49] | MMlosh: | true.. agreed |
| [08:50:50] | justinh: | you know – cos the commercial flagging isn't 100% perfect every time |
| [08:51:24] | justinh: | when it works it generally is... but you can bet the one time it doesn't will be on a show you can't re-record |
| [08:52:58] | MMlosh: | autocutting is a bad idea... nobody knows what'll the station owner do .. I once got only start of the ad flagged, but not the end.. So one might end up with the movie cut out and ads kept :: |
| [08:53:23] | justinh: | my own personal view of transcoding everything to keep is this: WHY?!?!?!?!?! |
| [08:53:37] | justinh: | you'll never have enough storage. EVER |
| [08:53:51] | MMlosh: | well... keeping the actual data is not the thing that bothers me |
| [08:54:09] | justinh: | so what.. you need to transcode to be able to play the stuff? |
| [08:54:10] | MMlosh: | it is more – bad movie progress bar readings |
| [08:54:30] | MMlosh: | and seeing first frame even when it is marked to be cut out |
| [08:54:43] | justinh: | that's been fixed |
| [08:54:50] | MMlosh: | both? |
| [08:54:55] | justinh: | the latter |
| [08:55:02] | MMlosh: | that makes sense |
| [08:55:07] | justinh: | and possibly the former – you weren't too specific |
| [08:55:24] | MMlosh: | well.. having a 60 min recording |
| [08:55:31] | justinh: | broadcasters are doing all kinds of freaky things with their streams |
| [08:55:33] | MMlosh: | while last 45 minutes are ads |
| [08:55:55] | justinh: | erm... how is mythtv supposed to know that?! |
| [08:55:57] | MMlosh: | it seems I have 3/4 of the footage left... but it ends |
| [08:56:07] | MMlosh: | not automatically! |
| [08:56:18] | MMlosh: | the ad footage is marked in the cutlist |
| [08:56:33] | justinh: | this is the problem with automagical ad removal |
| [08:56:46] | MMlosh: | even with manual.. afaik |
| [08:56:48] | justinh: | it works well in areas it has been designed for. |
| [08:56:58] | justinh: | ie. NOT Europe |
| [08:57:17] | MMlosh: | well.. It isn't ads.. it is the following movie |
| [08:57:34] | justinh: | I don't know exactly what you're trying to say |
| [08:58:02] | justinh: | at first it seemed like you were saying the seeking wasn't working right on your recordings |
| [08:58:07] | justinh: | but now.. I dunno |
| [08:58:15] | MMlosh: | well... commercial TV channels don't bother to comply to the schedule |
| [08:58:21] | justinh: | ah right |
| [08:58:25] | justinh: | nothing we can do about that |
| [08:58:37] | MMlosh: | so the usual approach is to record 30 more minutes after the show |
| [08:58:53] | justinh: | maybe if they got something unpleasant in the post they'd buck their ideas up |
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| [08:59:36] | MMlosh: | they don't care, because they don't broadcast anything between 3AM and 6AM |
| [08:59:42] | MMlosh: | hmm.. :) |
| [09:00:04] | MMlosh: | so.. when the show is short.. something like only 30 minutes |
| [09:00:20] | MMlosh: | then half of the footage is (manually) cut out |
| [09:00:22] | justinh: | I find it really funny how since playout of shows all went computerised, schedules have all gone to hell rather than being more on time |
| [09:00:41] | MMlosh: | they can add more ads on the fly.. I guess |
| [09:01:02] | MMlosh: | but when somebody plays the thing then |
| [09:01:13] | justinh: | even on ad free channels – like the BBC ones all doing prerecorded shows – how does BBC Three end up showing things 10 minutes late for God's sakes? |
| [09:01:15] | MMlosh: | then hitting the "i" info key gets useless progress readings |
| [09:01:42] | justinh: | but how is mythtv supposed to know when the *show* started? |
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| [09:01:59] | MMlosh: | reading the cutlist? |
| [09:02:03] | justinh: | it only knows – and *can* *only* know where in the recording it is |
| [09:02:13] | justinh: | i.e. where in the file it's playing |
| [09:02:23] | MMlosh: | well.. I'd like it to hide the cut parts |
| [09:02:29] | justinh: | oof |
| [09:02:33] | MMlosh: | because they don't seem cut otherwise |
| [09:02:35] | justinh: | that's a pretty tall expectation |
| [09:02:39] | justinh: | IMHO |
| [09:02:44] | MMlosh: | well.. our DVR does that... |
| [09:03:03] | justinh: | who makes that? |
| [09:03:04] | MMlosh: | in other aspects quite a cheap piece of hardware |
| [09:03:11] | MMlosh: | Sony.. I guess |
| [09:03:33] | justinh: | heh my inlaws has a Sony DVR. it's very clever too – but has the most awful UI I've ever seen in my life |
| [09:03:50] | MMlosh: | this one has useless subtitles |
| [09:04:00] | justinh: | it can even transcode DVB recordings to fit on the HDD |
| [09:04:07] | MMlosh: | and can use the USB port for browsing images AND sound files |
| [09:04:12] | justinh: | and you can edit recordings for burning to disk |
| [09:04:30] | MMlosh: | (no videos) |
| [09:04:38] | justinh: | it's even got some sort of ad skipping thing -God only knows how it works. I tried reading the manual |
| [09:05:06] | MMlosh: | this one has something like ad detection.. but it detects only black frames |
| [09:05:07] | justinh: | I guess it'd be possible to make mythtv do what you'd like but I wouldn't want to be the guy writing it |
| [09:05:27] | MMlosh: | it.. would make mythtv adoption in the house much easier |
| [09:05:35] | justinh: | I doubt it |
| [09:05:56] | MMlosh: | "my" people are used to that behavior |
| [09:06:07] | justinh: | it'd make it more appliance-like I'll grant you that |
| [09:06:23] | justinh: | but then the people who are used to the way it is now would likely whine a lot :P |
| [09:06:40] | justinh: | MUH, I want to see how far it is in the file! |
| [09:06:49] | MMlosh: | what is that useful for? |
| [09:07:15] | justinh: | for one thing, if you have an auto cutlist & it's wrong, you can easily skip back over an incorrect jump |
| [09:07:30] | justinh: | that'd be pretty important to keep |
| [09:07:48] | MMlosh: | of course.. I agree with that |
| [09:08:16] | MMlosh: | but what about having that for manual cutlist? |
| [09:08:19] | justinh: | and it doesn't really matter anyway if you take the file & lossless transcode it with the cuts – then the progress indicator will agree |
| [09:08:44] | justinh: | as feature requests go I can't see this being high on anybody's priorities list |
| [09:08:58] | justinh: | so if you really want to see it, make it so! |
| [09:09:19] | MMlosh: | hmm.. thanks.. how can I transcode the cuts out, then? |
| [09:09:26] | MMlosh: | (from UI, please) |
| [09:09:31] | justinh: | easy peasy |
| [09:09:48] | justinh: | E to edit the recording during playback |
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| [09:10:22] | MMlosh: | ack) |
| [09:10:31] | justinh: | then when satisfied with the cutlist, go back into 'watch recordings' press MENU with the recording still selected – then select JOB OPTIONS.. and go to Transcode – select a profile there & off it'll go |
| [09:10:48] | MMlosh: | which profile? |
| [09:10:52] | justinh: | (assuming you have transcoding profiles set up correctly) |
| [09:10:59] | MMlosh: | it does not honour the list in the auto one |
| [09:11:09] | justinh: | it won't |
| [09:11:28] | justinh: | if you have a commflagged list you need to press Z to load the commflags into the edit cutlist |
| [09:11:47] | MMlosh: | the cuts are already in the manual cutlist |
| [09:11:50] | justinh: | Z or whatever LIRC button you have bound to that key |
| [09:11:53] | MMlosh: | transcoding does nothing |
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| [09:12:15] | justinh: | then you need to set up the transcoding profile to honour the cutlist |
| [09:12:48] | MMlosh: | that is the part when I am clueless |
| [09:13:57] | justinh: | main menu > utils/setup > setup > TV settings > recording profiles > transcoders |
| [09:14:07] | MMlosh: | ack |
| [09:14:29] | justinh: | oh crap there's no setting for using the cutlist there either |
| [09:15:25] | justinh: | so maybe it should always honour a manual cutlist when transcoding |
| [09:16:00] | MMlosh: | .. it does not |
| [09:16:11] | MMlosh: | i've got to run... but I'll read it afterwards |
| [09:16:12] | justinh: | I've always found it does |
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| [10:15:45] | justinh: | ouch. That'll teach me |
| [10:16:10] | justinh: | should've been more careful reading that. $0.8/GB/month – which I read as $0.8/month |
| [10:16:25] | justinh: | still.. costs less than a Flickr Pro account |
| [10:22:40] | hashbang: | justinh: hosting your website on 3G again? ;-) |
| [10:26:05] | k-man: | the backend has been segfaulting on me recently, i managed to get a backtrace, would anyone who knows how to read it care to have a look and tell me if they think its worth posting somewhere? |
| [10:26:57] | justinh: | k-man: post it on slashdor |
| [10:27:02] | justinh: | *slashdot |
| [10:27:17] | k-man: | http://pastebin.com/Tbi4kpTf |
| [10:27:23] | k-man: | how about pastebin? |
| [10:27:27] | justinh: | hashbang: not hosting a website for myself. ever. again |
| [10:29:55] | k-man: | does this mean the segfault happened in libmysqlclient? Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. #0 0xb20150a1 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libmysqlclient_r.so.16 |
| [10:30:36] | ** justinh waits for OpenOffice to load ** | |
| [10:30:50] | justinh: | dum de dummm... dum de dummmmmm.... |
| [10:30:56] | justinh: | click.. click... whirrrr.... |
| [10:31:01] | justinh: | doo de doo.... |
| [10:31:06] | justinh: | dum de dumm.... |
| [10:31:17] | justinh: | ah there it is. piece of steaming *crap* |
| [10:31:33] | hashbang: | k-man: yup |
| [10:31:48] | k-man: | hashbang: ah, so its a mysql problem? |
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| [10:39:13] | hashbang: | k-man: MySQL, networking, or Qt's MySQL bindings, by the looks of it |
| [10:39:37] | k-man: | hashbang: hmm... it was the backend, why would Qt be involved? |
| [10:39:40] | hashbang: | k-man: how are the frontend and backend connected? |
| [10:39:49] | k-man: | same machine |
| [10:40:09] | k-man: | hashbang: this is an intermittent problem too |
| [10:40:12] | hashbang: | k-man: Qt provides far more things than just GUI stuff. It includes database bindings and all sorts |
| [10:40:21] | k-man: | hashbang: ah, i see |
| [10:40:35] | hashbang: | k-man: OK, was wondering if it might be a dodgy wireless link that broke in the middle of a query or something |
| [10:41:08] | k-man: | no, don't think so |
| [10:41:10] | hashbang: | k-man: you could try running the frontend with -v database,important until it breaks again |
| [10:41:19] | k-man: | well, no, because its all on the same machine |
| [10:41:38] | hashbang: | k-man: yup, loopback shouldn't break. If it does, you've got deeper problems. :-) |
| [10:42:14] | k-man: | maybe i should try and enbable debug symbols in the libmysqlclient lib? |
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| [10:42:50] | hashbang: | k-man: as far as I can see, they're enabled already, since the next few lines are properly resolved to functions in libmysqlclient_r |
| [10:43:46] | hashbang: | k-man: presumably you've got all the Qt/MySQL packages up-to-date with whatever your distro ships? |
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| [10:44:21] | k-man: | hashbang: yeah just checked |
| [10:44:29] | k-man: | its debian squeeze |
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| [10:44:54] | k-man: | haven't updated for a few weeks, but i checked and there are no updates of the mysql packages |
| [10:44:58] | k-man: | or libs |
| [10:45:27] | k-man: | i must admit that it seems odd no one else is experiencing this issue, it makes me think its a local problem |
| [10:46:04] | hashbang: | k-man: then again, Ubuntu seems to be the most popular MythTV deployment platform |
| [10:46:20] | hashbang: | k-man: Debian-based, I know, but maybe with some patches they haven't fed back |
| [10:46:50] | hashbang: | k-man: I feel a bit out on the edge running it on Fedora |
| [10:47:41] | k-man: | should i raise a ticket with the backtrace? |
| [10:54:22] | hashbang: | k-man: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mythbackend+ . . . nt=firefox-a |
| [10:54:26] | hashbang: | oops |
| [10:54:42] | hashbang: | http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mythbackend+ . . . nt=firefox-a |
| [10:58:04] | k-man: | hmm.. .all that google turns up seems pretty old to me |
| [10:58:10] | k-man: | as far as i can see |
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| [11:03:18] | ** justinh delets everything on his S3 account. BYEBYE! ** | |
| [11:03:30] | justinh: | prolly charge me for doing that too |
| [11:03:32] | justinh: | the GITS |
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| [11:05:04] | k-man: | what happened justinh? |
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| [11:16:35] | k-man: | is there some way to recover lost password from trac? |
| [11:18:19] | k-man: | users don't have logins on it do they? |
| [11:22:08] | k-man: | which component should i put a backend crash under in a ticket? mythtv-general? |
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| [11:28:51] | justinh: | k-man: S3 is way too complex for my needs |
| [11:28:54] | justinh: | and way too limited |
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| [12:16:16] | MMlosh: | justinh, as for the 4x playback speed.. yes that is too fast... but some of the cartoons for children are so slow-spoken, that 2x speed feels like natural speed... so something like 2.75 would be optimal.... not for all shows.. that would be crazy |
| [12:16:50] | justinh: | as I said the 2x limit is hard coded. It can probably safely be changed to another number |
| [12:17:08] | justinh: | or not ;-) |
| [12:18:06] | justinh: | wonder if the playback profile value stored in the db is sanity checked... muhahaha |
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| [12:21:14] | MMlosh: | justinh, do you mean.. that it can be changed by a database write? maybe? |
| [12:21:56] | justinh: | I never recommend making changes to the database directly |
| [12:22:35] | MMlosh: | and by hardcoded you mean hardcoded as a constant somewhere, or hardcoded as in "the algorhythm (huh.. how should one spell this?) can't play faster well" |
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| [12:22:59] | MMlosh: | is there any non-direct way? |
| [12:24:12] | justinh: | if (floatRead && stretch <= 2.0 && stretch >= 0.48) |
| [12:24:48] | laga: | "algorithm". just ask al gore. |
| [12:24:57] | MMlosh: | ok |
| [12:24:58] | MMlosh: | thanks |
| [12:25:02] | justinh: | you could try mashing a 4 into a playback profile just for giggles |
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| [12:25:17] | MMlosh: | ok.. how/where? |
| [12:25:20] | laga: | MMlosh: for the record, al gore did not invent the internet nor did he invent algorithms ;) |
| [12:25:34] | MMlosh: | :) |
| [12:25:44] | justinh: | Like I said, I don't recommend stuffing values into the db directly |
| [12:25:52] | justinh: | therefore I'm not going to tell you how |
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| [12:26:20] | MMlosh: | oh... the thing you said sounded like it was possible through the UI |
| [12:26:44] | ** hashbang watches Question Time at 1.4x speed to make it tolerable ** | |
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| [12:28:09] | MMlosh: | justinh, can I have at least a hint? (keyword, table name?) |
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| [12:29:39] | justinh: | NO |
| [12:29:47] | justinh: | but hey, it works. can't adjust it either |
| [12:29:56] | justinh: | got it at 500% :D |
| [12:30:32] | justinh: | ppp nasty |
| [12:31:08] | justinh: | you can use MENU to select 'change timestretch' then assign it a value but you can't use 'adjust timestretch' – it refuses to bring up the dialog |
| [12:31:35] | justinh: | least it didn't segfault though :) |
| [12:31:42] | MMlosh: | hmm... so just a sanity problem :) |
| [12:32:43] | justinh: | it's not an expected use case that some nutter is going to hack 8x timestretch playback into a PLAYback profile GROUP |
| [12:34:14] | MMlosh: | I won't call that a hack.. but I definitely agree with the conclusion |
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| [12:34:34] | justinh: | manually inserting values unobtainable from the UI is what I'd call a hack |
| [12:35:21] | MMlosh: | well.. what about "intentionally broken data" |
| [12:35:27] | justinh: | and unsupported. So if it winds up killing a family pet, it's not our fault |
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| [12:35:49] | MMlosh: | agreed |
| [12:35:57] | justinh: | NB: Your home is at risk if you set fire to it |
| [12:36:24] | justinh: | I know it needs cleaning, and that fire cleanses all.. but it's not wise to connect the two ;-) |
| [12:37:17] | MMlosh: | it is a laptop... I am always ( looking after it.. OR sane ) at any moment |
| [12:37:51] | AndyCap: | pain is the cleanser |
| [12:37:56] | justinh: | sometimes I think it's the only way to properly get rid of an ubuntu install. remove the HDD & set fire to it |
| [12:38:13] | justinh: | sure you can delete, format, repartition but the disk is still tainted |
| [12:38:28] | MMlosh: | true.. this is kubuntu, but that does not help much |
| [12:38:31] | justinh: | ubuntu-itis is spreading |
| [12:38:47] | MMlosh: | and other partition mutated to half-ubuntu and half-debian-experimental :P |
| [12:39:05] | justinh: | hmm still no email from rsync.com |
| [12:39:31] | justinh: | rsync.net even |
| [12:39:59] | justinh: | all that 'please allow up to 6 hours' business leads me to suspect it's run by actual human beings |
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| [13:23:39] | ** justinh wonders how much longer a release would take if developers took into account every stupid thing a user might want to do :P ** | |
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| [13:26:35] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: you could argue that's one reason it took something like 2 years between 0.20 and 0.21. |
| [13:28:52] | justinh: | just discovered you can set timestretch to daft values & break the UI by inserting silly values into a db table :D |
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| [13:34:09] | wagnerrp: | chalk up another vote for an embedded database |
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| [13:35:03] | justinh: | ooo – but then how will newbies be confuzzled? |
| [13:35:18] | justinh: | there'll have to be some other means of punishing them for not reading the docs |
| [13:35:31] | wagnerrp: | oh, theyll read the docs |
| [13:35:42] | wagnerrp: | theyll read some ancient howto from 0.19 |
| [13:35:53] | wagnerrp: | which will discuss all this stuff about having to set up a database |
| [13:39:53] | justinh: | heh. out of date blogs suck |
| [13:41:00] | justinh: | parker1.co.uk come in, your time is up ;-) |
| [13:41:47] | justinh: | blimey I didn't realise he's from my neck of the woods. LOL |
| [13:42:02] | wagnerrp: | the uk? |
| [13:42:15] | justinh: | more specifically |
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| [13:45:58] | wagnerrp: | can you mix different versions of windows mce? |
| [13:46:12] | wagnerrp: | like... can a vista mce box function as an extender for a 7 mce? |
| [13:46:17] | justinh: | you can't mix windows MCE full stop |
| [13:46:32] | justinh: | like one 7 box won't work with another 7 box |
| [13:46:40] | justinh: | IIRC, anyway |
| [13:46:58] | wagnerrp: | you can only extend it with dedicated hardware? (xbox) |
| [13:47:02] | justinh: | it's xbox360 or hardware extenders or bust |
| [13:47:34] | justinh: | tuner limits can be hacked via the registry but not this AFAIK |
| [13:48:55] | MMlosh: | justinh, hey! I don't want developers to do anything.. I was just asking whether is that possible or not |
| [13:49:43] | justinh: | I don't know where you got the impression I was accusing you of begging |
| [13:50:23] | MMlosh: | just for the clarification.. to be sure |
| [13:50:57] | justinh: | if I thought you were whining about a feature not being included at your whim – I'd have told you by now ;-) |
| [13:51:44] | MMlosh: | btw: that dvbt+iptv mixture has troubles with one arrogant station, which begins its callsign with one whitespace |
| [13:52:06] | justinh: | so just correct it |
| [13:52:18] | justinh: | you're allowed to edit channel names & callsigns |
| [13:52:53] | MMlosh: | I can edit in-air callsigns? |
| [13:53:00] | justinh: | sure |
| [13:53:07] | justinh: | they're only added when you scan |
| [13:53:09] | MMlosh: | but.... how does it find the channel? |
| [13:53:28] | justinh: | hint – not from its name, channel number, callsign or xmltvid |
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| [13:53:50] | MMlosh: | okay... that leaves some mysteries, but helps a lot |
| [13:54:14] | justinh: | dvb channels go by their serviceid in the database |
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| [13:54:30] | justinh: | and mythtv identifies channels themselves by a number the user isn't allowed to see |
| [13:55:16] | justinh: | so you can change the name/callsign of Channel X & myth will still go about working with it as if it was still called Y |
| [13:55:45] | justinh: | that's an over-simplification of course.. channels can be classed as 'the same' by giving them the same number or callsign |
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| [13:55:59] | MMlosh: | what happens when I do both? |
| [13:56:08] | justinh: | both what? |
| [13:56:18] | MMlosh: | also: when they are considered "the same", why won't they share EPG data? |
| [13:56:21] | justinh: | change the name AND number? |
| [13:56:29] | MMlosh: | both the same callsign and the same channel number |
| [13:56:34] | seej: | hey |
| [13:56:35] | seej: | umm |
| [13:56:37] | seej: | what? |
| [13:56:38] | justinh: | MMlosh: only if they share the same 'video source' |
| [13:56:50] | seej: | WHOA that was weird |
| [13:56:57] | seej: | I was highlighted for the word "EPG" |
| [13:57:06] | seej: | This isn't even my nick, what the heck is going on? |
| [13:57:13] | ** MMlosh has no clue ** | |
| [13:57:16] | justinh: | seej: maybe it's time to stop using MIRC |
| [13:57:20] | justinh: | :P |
| [13:57:32] | seej: | I'm not, lol |
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| [13:57:45] | MMlosh: | EPG |
| [13:57:49] | justinh: | maybe it's time to stop using an IRC client that's as lame as MIRC then |
| [13:57:49] | AriX: | :O |
| [13:58:06] | AriX: | justinh: Actually, I think I told it to highlight me on EPG a long time ago and forgot. |
| [13:58:35] | MMlosh: | thanks for the callsign thing.. it works now (at least the iptv input, will test dvbt in the evening) |
| [13:58:38] | AriX: | It's because I was working to reverse engineer the TV Guide Channel/Prevue Channel's data feed – the term EPG comes from the TV Guide Channel's predecessor, the Electronic Program Guide Channel. |
| [13:59:28] | justinh: | the term EPG comes from the words 'Electronic' 'Programme' and 'Guide', I think you'll find. At least as far as we are concerned |
| [13:59:49] | AriX: | Well, the EPG Channel coined that term... |
| [14:00:05] | AriX: | In 1981. |
| [14:00:21] | justinh: | whatever |
| [14:00:25] | wagnerrp: | why would you want to reverse engineer their feed? |
| [14:00:57] | justinh: | to do SD out of $20 a year, of course! |
| [14:01:08] | AriX: | wagnerrp: Because I have a lot of their old hardware and I wanted to recreate the TV Guide Channel. |
| [14:01:35] | AriX: | http://prevueguide.com/index.php/Prevue_Grid / http://prevueguide.com/index.php/UVSG_Satellite_Data |
| [14:01:36] | wagnerrp: | and they wont license it to you? |
| [14:02:16] | AriX: | Nope, they abandoned the platform in 2000. |
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| [14:03:13] | iamlindoro: | justinh, icons for MNV genres are by RDV_Linux for his grabbers |
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| [14:03:41] | iamlindoro: | justinh, The idea has always been to replace them, but there's just way too many of them for me to have ever made it a priority |
| [14:04:02] | justinh: | heh. I just saw the typo when picasa found them for me & I thought RUH |
| [14:04:20] | justinh: | and yeah there are a *lot* of icons |
| [14:04:27] | ircsri: | Hi..I am trying to work with a USB TV tuner card: beetel FUN (Indian OEM). The vendor:product id is 1f71:3306. Has anyone here got this to work with mythtv on ubuntu? |
| [14:04:49] | wagnerrp: | AriX: somehow i think it would be easier to just spend a week writing a program to render guide data from SD, rather than try to reverse engineer an encrypted feed for use on a low power, low memory platform |
| [14:04:50] | justinh: | ircsri: more a question of whether or not (more likely NOT) work in linux at all, not mythtv |
| [14:05:13] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [14:05:13] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [14:05:20] | justinh: | ircsri: i.e. you'd need to look in the linuxtv.org wiki – in their hardware section – and search their mailing list archives |
| [14:05:41] | justinh: | and after all that – and *only* after that, then go into #linuxtv to ask |
| [14:05:55] | ircsri: | Thanks folks for the quick replies and pointers. |
| [14:05:59] | ircsri: | :) |
| [14:06:05] | AriX: | wagnerrp: Of course it would be easier to do that :) |
| [14:06:50] | wagnerrp: | and more legal |
| [14:07:33] | AriX: | Reverse engineering data formats is not illegal ;) |
| [14:07:54] | AriX: | I mean, no one who presently works for the company even knows how to work with these machines. |
| [14:08:03] | wagnerrp: | it is if its encrypted |
| [14:09:48] | justinh: | OMG who'd want to replicate *that*? it looks awful |
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| [14:10:41] | justinh: | kickstart?! LOL. Amiga junk. heheh |
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| [14:11:28] | justinh: | oops.. still an Atari fanboi at heart <<< |
| [14:15:39] | justinh: | wagnerrp: I see there's a volunteer for making future versions backwards compatible. Yay! ;-) |
| [14:16:03] | wagnerrp: | for real? or just someone complaining 'i dont see why its so hard'? |
| [14:16:11] | justinh: | yeah that |
| [14:16:55] | MMlosh: | justinh, I still can't figure out why is mine installation ignoring the cutlist... even with --honourcutlist appended to the settings ... perhaps it is just that "using '-i' scheme keeps commercials" issue... and I have no clue how to workaround it |
| [14:17:32] | justinh: | MMlosh: you using mythtranscode as a user job? In which case YES you DO need to use the honorcutlist flag |
| [14:17:42] | justinh: | you do NOT need that using the internal transcoder |
| [14:17:53] | wagnerrp: | justinh: its simple |
| [14:18:02] | MMlosh: | internal "transcode" job |
| [14:18:33] | justinh: | MMlosh: and you're sure the transcode isn't failing? see your backend log |
| [14:18:38] | wagnerrp: | all you have to do is get a sizable group of engineers together, and over the course of several weeks, hammer out every possible command you might need or want to send, ever |
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| [14:19:16] | justinh: | wagnerrp: and also agree to never aim to improve how efficiently the database is used |
| [14:19:25] | justinh: | or add new plugins |
| [14:19:29] | justinh: | or features |
| [14:19:37] | MMlosh: | which ignores the cutlist, no matter whether --honorcutlist or not |
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| [14:20:17] | justinh: | maybe I've missed a setting |
| [14:20:59] | MMlosh: | or maybe ubuntu's version is too old |
| [14:21:01] | justinh: | hmmm nope |
| [14:21:23] | justinh: | as long as I've edited recordings manually, the cutlist has always been honoured when I've then lossless transcoded |
| [14:21:57] | MMlosh: | ah.. perhaps I need to create loseless transcoding profile |
| [14:22:16] | MMlosh: | none of the by-default-provided has the loseless flag set |
| [14:23:15] | wagnerrp: | you can only edit existing ones due to a Qt bug |
| [14:25:01] | justinh: | I thought it was more of a 'part hard coded, part not hard coded' thing.. or was that user jobs? |
| [14:25:25] | wagnerrp: | youre limited to four user jobs |
| [14:26:05] | wagnerrp: | and thats limited due to how theyre stored in the database, and how the UI pages are set up |
| [14:26:09] | MMlosh: | I see |
| [14:26:18] | MMlosh: | I can add.. but they don't show up |
| [14:26:23] | MMlosh: | and it segfaults... |
| [14:26:28] | MMlosh: | when leaving the settings menu |
| [14:27:07] | MMlosh: | now I have two frozen transcoders that cannot be deleted... neat |
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| [14:27:41] | justinh: | they can, just not from the UI :P |
| [14:27:49] | iamlindoro: | segfault in that screen was fixed three months ago |
| [14:28:00] | iamlindoro: | sounds like your version is out of date |
| [14:28:37] | MMlosh: | iamlindoro, yes.. ubuntu is always >1year behind |
| [14:28:47] | wagnerrp: | no they arent |
| [14:28:55] | iamlindoro: | ubuntu has mythtv nightly builds of .24 |
| [14:28:57] | justinh: | depends whose repo you use |
| [14:28:59] | iamlindoro: | as wagnerrp alludes to |
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| [14:29:12] | MMlosh: | is it possible to do that from CLI? |
| [14:29:23] | justinh: | if you use the 'official' repos as shipped with the distro... sure |
| [14:30:03] | justinh: | be more worthwhile if ubuntu were just to drop a load of stuff out of its own repos, for what they tend to be worth |
| [14:31:10] | MMlosh: | is it possible to use any different UI to fix those transcoders? |
| [14:31:19] | justinh: | the ffmpeg they ship out of the box is next to useless.. so are the blimmin media players |
| [14:32:34] | justinh: | the sooner software patents are thrown out of a courtroom the better :) |
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| [14:34:06] | MMlosh: | the answer "newer" is not acceptable :) |
| [14:34:25] | justinh: | why not? |
| [14:35:06] | justinh: | http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos |
| [14:35:39] | wagnerrp: | youre updating from the version of 0.23.1 that mythbuntu 10.10 shipped with, to the one the project currently releases |
| [14:35:45] | wagnerrp: | its still 0.23.1 |
| [14:35:52] | wagnerrp: | no loss of compatibility between other systems |
| [14:36:00] | wagnerrp: | no database backups and updates |
| [14:36:03] | wagnerrp: | seamless |
| [14:38:30] | MMlosh: | well.. lack of motivation for getting software from unverified 3rd party |
| [14:38:39] | MMlosh: | I'll query debian unstable first... |
| [14:38:45] | justinh: | so fine then |
| [14:38:56] | justinh: | use the ancient 'official' repo |
| [14:39:00] | justinh: | jees |
| [14:39:29] | justinh: | FWIW I'd take whatever mythbuntu roll out over anything in the 'official' repos |
| [14:39:31] | MMlosh: | bad luck.... |
| [14:39:44] | justinh: | those fellas know what they're doing |
| [14:40:09] | MMlosh: | I guess If can get their repo key in a secure way, then it's OK |
| [14:40:14] | justinh: | the stuff is still signed, so it's still trustworthy |
| [14:42:22] | MMlosh: | hmm.. why do they refuse to provide an apt-line somewhere...... at the bottom, hidden, whatever... |
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| [14:43:43] | justinh: | wget http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/mythbuntu-repos.deb || sudo dpkg -i mythbuntu-repos.deb ?? |
| [14:45:27] | MMlosh: | I have time to make this the paranoid way |
| [14:46:04] | MMlosh: | =>no... I got that .deb over HTTP! :P |
| [14:47:30] | justinh: | wget http://www.rapidshare.org/juski-s-3l337mythbu . . . RmythB0x.deb || sudo dpkg -i ... ?? :-P |
| [14:47:51] | MMlosh: | ah.. they have a lauchpad ppa.. :) |
| [14:48:10] | justinh: | course they do, and the deb launches a thing which adds it.. yada yada |
| [14:48:16] | justinh: | sigh |
| [14:48:52] | justinh: | wonder how long it'll be before a user gets seriously hurt by rogue repos |
| [14:49:14] | MMlosh: | me too... |
| [14:49:17] | justinh: | I mean like a repo installation messing things up so bad they can't install anything anymore & they need to reinstall the whole OS |
| [14:49:27] | wagnerrp: | wonder if brian j murrell has a counter to that argument |
| [14:49:38] | MMlosh: | I want to learn the paranoid way Before it is necessary for survival... :) |
| [14:49:58] | wagnerrp: | the paranoid way? |
| [14:50:16] | justinh: | seems to think that manually adding a PPA is somehow more sane/safe/secure |
| [14:51:12] | MMlosh: | well.. I think so |
| [14:51:23] | wagnerrp: | seems to me the 'paranoid' way would be to compile all your own source from scratch |
| [14:51:30] | justinh: | the only way to be totally sure would be to get the .deb, look inside it, then get the source & pore over it to make sure it won't do anything nasty |
| [14:51:37] | wagnerrp: | rather than depend on someone else to not insert malicious code into your binaries |
| [14:51:43] | MMlosh: | the install-repo package brings the keys inside... who nows that they are unmodified? |
| [14:51:59] | justinh: | keys schmeys |
| [14:52:04] | justinh: | anybody can get a key signed |
| [14:52:07] | MMlosh: | wagnerrp, mistake.. the paranoid way is to read all the sources and compile |
| [14:52:08] | wagnerrp: | switch to gentoo! :) |
| [14:52:28] | justinh: | OH HAI JUSKI. Here's yr key. Cheers |
| [14:52:43] | MMlosh: | I'll pull the Natty version.. i hope it will be fresh enough |
| [14:52:52] | justinh: | so now armed with his key, Juski goes off & makes a bunch of evil libs.. MUHAHAHAHA |
| [14:52:55] | wagnerrp: | all it takes is payment, and not a significant amount of payment |
| [14:53:05] | justinh: | and users install said libs .. and they cry |
| [14:53:07] | laga: | good thing the mythbuntu guys also make the debs in the natty repo, |
| [14:53:10] | justinh: | "but he had a key!" |
| [14:53:35] | wagnerrp: | wait... hes agreeing with me? |
| [14:53:39] | wagnerrp: | i didnt expect that one |
| [14:53:54] | MMlosh: | I had my server hacked last month.. It needs time to wear off |
| [14:54:23] | justinh: | I said I got hacked once. I was lying. I can't be trusted to host anything users will ever come to rely on |
| [14:54:27] | wagnerrp: | home server? company server? |
| [14:54:53] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why a home use would ever get hacked |
| [14:54:56] | MMlosh: | tiny home box... doing the telephony and mail jobs |
| [14:55:13] | justinh: | that old saying "the lord giveth & the lord taketh away".. I used to love playing God |
| [14:55:17] | wagnerrp: | unless you got hit by some generic bot doing a vulnerability scan |
| [14:55:18] | MMlosh: | because it has an open port to the internet? |
| [14:55:28] | MMlosh: | something like that |
| [14:55:35] | wagnerrp: | or you did something like have a cheesy password on an open SSH server |
| [14:55:43] | MMlosh: | It was controlled from unencrypted IRC |
| [14:55:50] | justinh: | of course |
| [14:55:58] | MMlosh: | my friend connected there and commanded the bots for a while :P |
| [14:55:59] | justinh: | but that wouldn't be how they got in |
| [14:56:00] | wagnerrp: | thats not a hack, thats poor security practices |
| [14:56:13] | MMlosh: | nope.. a security vulnerability in SMTP server |
| [14:56:43] | MMlosh: | I know.. not trusting-installed-software-from-HTTP related, but still increases the paranoia level for a while |
| [14:56:44] | justinh: | never got why people see the need to run SMTP at home |
| [14:56:58] | wagnerrp: | that sort of crap isnt going to filter down to the script kiddies until its been out in the open for a long time |
| [14:57:09] | MMlosh: | getting IPv6 certificate.. and forgetting to uninstall.. acutally |
| [14:57:11] | wagnerrp: | which means any still maintained server would have been updated |
| [14:57:28] | justinh: | got my router logging stuff & I don't think anything has hit anything but port 80 for many a year now |
| [15:06:37] | MMlosh: | loseless profiles got all visible... |
| [15:06:43] | MMlosh: | but still can't delete them |
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| [15:08:38] | andreax: | Is the checkout via git already active? |
| [15:08:47] | wagnerrp: | checkout via git? |
| [15:09:00] | andreax: | Instead of svn? |
| [15:09:05] | wagnerrp: | we switched to git two months ago |
| [15:09:20] | andreax: | rofl... Seems i wasnt here for a long time... sorry.. :) |
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| [15:09:56] | MMlosh: | bad idea.. seeking sometimes results in noise instead of audio... but I is my fault and I am as silent as possible |
| [15:10:03] | andreax: | eek, didnt get the announcement was from december... |
| [15:19:08] | justinh: | woohoo I got a cheque for 10 grand in the post |
| [15:19:23] | MMlosh: | that noise issue was pulseaudio output problem |
| [15:19:33] | MMlosh: | alsa:pulse seems to be working |
| [15:19:40] | justinh: | and the drawer on the cheque is : the name of the lawyer company not the mortgage company. I KNEW IT. Lawyers sitting on the money since December |
| [15:20:16] | MMlosh: | the "remaining time" is shown correctly.. the first frame is hiddden when cut... no need to transcode out ads anymore.. |
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| [15:20:46] | justinh: | did pulseaudio not die in a fire? I specifically put out a request it was to be killed in a fire |
| [15:21:48] | wagnerrp: | no, not yet |
| [15:22:29] | justinh: | that's disappointing ;) |
| [15:26:20] | AndyCap: | justinh: it has spawned systemd. :P |
| [15:27:50] | justinh: | upstart is bad enough to understand |
| [15:29:38] | justinh: | reading the word 'pulseaudio' reminds me of being in a 3rd year physics class & realising that 'pulse' in my own handwriting looks a lot like 'pube'. Pubeaudio ftw! |
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| [16:28:54] | adub: | when i do mythtv=setup for the database |
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| [16:29:28] | adub: | i have to login to the database on the first part 1/2 using root the default is mythtv login and pass is mythtv |
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| [16:32:33] | TLE: | hallo everyone, I'm looking for a RF remote for my mythtv mediacenter. Can anyone recommend a brand or model that works flawlessly with lirc and is still being sold? |
| [16:32:46] | TLE: | If this is off topic please just ignore ;) |
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| [16:44:20] | TLE: | ahh damn, got to go, will be back and try again later |
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| [17:17:01] | adub: | 03:07.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) |
| [17:17:02] | adub: | 03:07.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11) |
| [17:17:31] | adub: | will mythtv support those cards when i select dvb dtv capture care it does not display in frontend id |
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| [17:17:58] | laga: | adub: those are not dtv cards. those are analog tv cards. |
| [17:18:09] | adub: | oh |
| [17:18:19] | laga: | unless you got one of those cards where they bastardized the bt8x8 to support digital video |
| [17:18:20] | adub: | they will still work with mythtv though right? |
| [17:18:24] | laga: | adub: yes. |
| [17:18:37] | adub: | laga they will record and what not |
| [17:18:41] | laga: | yes |
| [17:18:53] | adub: | ok just need to select analog instead of dvb |
| [17:18:58] | adub: | i almost have this setup |
| [17:19:16] | adub: | how can i resetup the database to have the option of 1/2 when after i select english |
| [17:19:29] | adub: | i think i input the wrong settings that is another one of my problems im having |
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| [17:23:40] | adub: | for video device what should i input here for the analog card |
| [17:23:47] | adub: | /dev/video0 ?? |
| [17:23:52] | laga: | yeah |
| [17:24:16] | adub: | laga could you tell me how i can resetup my database i have the login information as root instead of mythtv login |
| [17:24:29] | adub: | i did not know the default password to the database and after some messing around i figured it out |
| [17:24:33] | laga: | sorry, not off-hand |
| [17:24:36] | adub: | so i need to resetup the database settings |
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| [17:32:40] | adub: | does anyone know how to rerun database setup for mysql there is 1/2 parts to the setup the screen is brown by default |
| [17:33:13] | adub: | i would like to have this setting changed to have mythtv as the user logining in by default has mythtv as user asnd password in the settings |
| [17:33:22] | adub: | i was able to cat out the actual password tho |
| [17:36:51] | adub: | i can see my computer seems to be downloading a guide from schedules direct but still no luck on tv |
| [17:37:00] | adub: | i need to rerun the backend database setup |
| [17:37:03] | adub: | mysql |
| [17:37:14] | adub: | someone please direct me on how to do this |
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| [17:41:47] | adub: | also i notice there is a lot of 401 unauthorized on the database filing |
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| [17:50:35] | ** MMlosh regrets a bit updating to the natty version..... it has really useful text when he presses "i" and much better editor.. ... but some fade-outs cannot be disabled? and it is a bit unstable too ** | |
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| [18:02:25] | adub: | i keep getting mythtv is using all active inputs but there is no active recordings when trying to watch tv |
| [18:02:47] | wagnerrp: | which means those inputs are not configured properly |
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| [18:10:42] | adub: | my card is analog aand i have it setup under that setting |
| [18:10:53] | adub: | ill run mythtv-setup again this app is not easy to get going |
| [18:11:18] | adub: | although when i run mythfilldatabase it looks like it is pulling the data fine but there is no guide info |
| [18:12:40] | adub: | ya no guide data available either although mythfilldatabase seems to run fine |
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| [18:16:35] | adub: | is there a tv tuner card that has hdmi |
| [18:17:19] | wagnerrp: | there are capture cards with hdmi, yes |
| [18:17:26] | wagnerrp: | not sure what you would do with it though |
| [18:17:33] | wagnerrp: | maybe capture from a video camera |
| [18:17:51] | adub: | ill just rock this card |
| [18:18:00] | adub: | the card ping probe detects when i go into settings |
| [18:18:12] | adub: | it list card name and everything displayed in lspci |
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| [18:26:51] | adub: | wagnerrp thanks for being patient with me i think i may have qued in on hte final problem i need to set permissions to /dev/video0 |
| [18:27:18] | adub: | when i run myth-setup as root it comes up and shows fine but when i run as regular user it does not show the card properly |
| [18:27:36] | wagnerrp: | normally linux distros have their udev rules set to give group ownership of those devices to 'video' |
| [18:27:54] | wagnerrp: | so whatever user is running your backend should be in the 'video' group |
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| [18:33:02] | waza-ari: | hey all, i get the following audio errors when watching hd-tv: [ac3 @ 0x7f4aa5b7f460]frame CRC mismatch | [ac3 @ 0x7f4aa5b7f460]frame sync error | AFD Error: Unknown audio decoding error. mythbuntu 10.04 with mythtv version 0.24.0+fixes.20110207.abdedb6. Any ideas (want to watch ger – ita lateron :P )? |
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| [18:41:25] | MMlosh: | justinh, you were right... I used the natty version + the bastardized input.. and it won't record anymore.... :) time to unpack db backup and downgrade I guess |
| [18:43:15] | MMlosh: | (but livetv works allright) |
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| [18:55:18] | waza-ari: | noone? |
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| [18:57:14] | wagnerrp: | corrupted recording perhaps? |
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| [18:57:26] | wagnerrp: | is this a digital recording? or HDPVR? |
| [18:57:46] | waza-ari: | wagnerrp: its live tv |
| [18:57:58] | wagnerrp: | its a recording |
| [18:58:08] | wagnerrp: | regardless, question still stands |
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| [18:58:20] | waza-ari: | im sure i was watching live tv... |
| [18:58:35] | wagnerrp: | 'live tv' is a recording |
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| [18:59:03] | waza-ari: | sorry? i meant i was watching tv, not a recording... |
| [18:59:17] | waza-ari: | i'll make a new log... any -v parameters? |
| [18:59:45] | wagnerrp: | when you watch any form of TV in MythTV, you are recording whether you want to or not |
| [18:59:55] | waza-ari: | a okay, didnt know, sorry then |
| [18:59:57] | wagnerrp: | but thats not the question, is this a digital recording, or output from an HDPVR? |
| [19:00:23] | waza-ari: | its from my sattelite hd tv-card |
| [19:01:04] | wagnerrp: | any chance youre getting signal interference? |
| [19:01:23] | wagnerrp: | any visual artifacts when you see these errors? |
| [19:01:41] | waza-ari: | hm. im not sure, but i can try whether it works with my old receiver... give me a second. and yes, there are also some small visual errors... |
| [19:02:14] | wagnerrp: | if you see visual errors, then they are probably the same problem |
| [19:02:42] | wagnerrp: | signal interference causing unrecoverable errors in the demodulator on the tuner card |
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| [19:03:42] | wagnerrp: | consequence of digital TV, instead of static, we get corruption |
| [19:04:16] | MMlosh: | confirmed.. un-bastardizing the inputs fixed everything |
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| [19:06:55] | waza-ari: | wagnerrp: using my digital hd-receiver on the same cable there are no visual or sound errors. But anyway the signal strengh is only something around 82%. Far too less if i remember correctly? |
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| [19:07:38] | wagnerrp: | signal strength read from what? signal strength read from tuner cards is generally meaningless |
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| [19:08:29] | waza-ari: | wagnerrp; its read from the osd of my sat receiver. but i have no appropriate measuring device here. |
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| [19:11:54] | waza-ari: | wagnerrp: okay, but anyway the sat receiver does it quite well... can i provide any further log-information that would help? |
| [19:12:10] | wagnerrp: | wont help me anyway... im not experienced with that area of mythtv |
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| [19:15:44] | waza-ari: | hm, okay...thank you anyway :) do you know someone who is? :) |
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| [19:31:36] | Beirdo: | wow, that Brian guy likes to invent work for us, eh? |
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| [19:31:59] | Beirdo: | if you want full backwards compatibility... get coding. |
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| [19:37:25] | iamlindoro: | I like how he's telling a myth dev that the protocol doesn't change that often |
| [19:37:38] | sphery: | wow, XvMC is even more popular on the list, now, than it was when it was actually well-supported |
| [19:37:45] | iamlindoro: | um, yeah it does. If the protocol didn't change, you could use any myth version you wanted with any other version |
| [19:38:22] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i like how he AGREED with me that we cant do it until the clients stop accessing the database |
| [19:38:31] | wagnerrp: | but still doesnt understand how monumental a feet that is |
| [19:39:45] | sphery: | wagnerrp: want me to code that up and commit it, today |
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| [19:40:04] | sphery: | NOTE: it may be a few years before I actually /push/ the change. |
| [19:40:51] | wagnerrp: | vaporware! |
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| [19:41:25] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if the perl rewrite of mythtv had backwards compatibility |
| [19:42:18] | sphery: | as I have a feeling there's never been any continuing development on it, I would suggest it may have infinite compatibility with itself |
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| [19:43:20] | GreyFoxx: | wag: That would have been at least another 15 lines of code... I doubt he would have wanted to do it :) |
| [19:43:21] | sphery: | "There was a comment that nobody should upgrade unless there was a bug fix or feature in a new release that they need" ... heh, not how I read the comment about how users should make informed decisions and weigh the options |
| [19:44:05] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: true... he was operating on a KISS principle (where it was clear from his posts that we were the S'es) |
| [19:44:48] | sphery: | btw, GreyFoxx, you've made a lot of friends on the -users list |
| [19:44:57] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [19:44:59] | sphery: | saving MythTV from the IPocalypse |
| [19:45:24] | GreyFoxx: | I've been running my myth with ipv6 for over a month, and just updated my patch for stuarta to check out :) |
| [19:45:33] | sphery: | cool |
| [19:45:50] | GreyFoxx: | Which means I guess I'll have to finally setup a git instance so I can actually commit changes |
| [19:46:05] | GreyFoxx: | I saw all of the pain others went through and have just stuff to the read only setup for now :) |
| [19:46:14] | GreyFoxx: | s/stuff/stuck |
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| [19:47:42] | sphery: | Yeah, it's really not that bad to get to a "comfortable enough to get the job done" state--especially if you have a good reason for learning Git (i.e. if it's useful to you in another life, like for work) |
| [19:47:54] | wagnerrp: | Ticket #9843: I set up mythtv to be IPv6 only, and now my UPNP device cant see it |
| [19:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | Not for me at all. I loved svn and was happy with it |
| [19:48:11] | GreyFoxx: | Wag: Hehe |
| [19:48:15] | sphery: | But FWIW, Beirdo is putting in a lot of long hours on figuring out how to set up SVN for us, again. |
| [19:48:32] | GreyFoxx: | wag: Yes, that will be the case :) |
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| [19:49:27] | ** sphery sets a script to pounce on ticket #9843 to make wagnerrp's prediction come true ** | |
| [19:49:34] | skd5aner: | huh? |
| [19:49:38] | skd5aner: | back to SVN? |
| [19:49:43] | sphery: | svn option |
| [19:49:51] | kormoc: | Yeah, I was amused when the guy said MySQL didn't support ipv6. It just supports it if you compile it to, but it will *only* support ipv6 o4 ipv4 at a time |
| [19:50:02] | skd5aner: | so git AND svn? |
| [19:50:25] | sphery: | skd5aner: don't ask until we know more... revisions/changesets/... are not something you want to think about (or know about) 'til you have to |
| [19:50:28] | wagnerrp: | looking through the code, it seem the backend will listen on any address, regardless of that specified in the setup |
| [19:50:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: right, we've never supported binding to a specific address |
| [19:50:54] | sphery: | even closed a couple tickets that told us how insecure this is |
| [19:50:56] | GreyFoxx: | My mythsetup is technically dualstack, but all of the backend communicaiton and such is done over v6. communication with MySQL is currently v4 (because I haven't ocmpiled up a v6 instance of it) |
| [19:51:00] | wagnerrp: | so all these people having mythtv running on their firewall? |
| [19:51:04] | GreyFoxx: | and the upnp broadcasts are of course still v4 |
| [19:51:17] | skd5aner: | sphery: just wondering what problem is being solved by rolling out SVN (again)? |
| [19:51:19] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: on the list, someone said MySQL doesn't support ipv6 |
| [19:51:37] | sphery: | skd5aner: we'll have gruntled developers, again |
| [19:51:48] | GreyFoxx: | I'm 99% sure you can configure the latest sourc releases to do it, but I haven't sat down to try myself yet |
| [19:51:57] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea, I can only imagine |
| [19:51:59] | skd5aner: | lose/lose |
| [19:52:25] | wagnerrp: | MPAA threatens to disconnect google from the internet |
| [19:52:29] | wagnerrp: | oh, this should be amusing |
| [19:52:41] | skd5aner: | eh, I'm just a bystander... so I sit and wait for what tomorrow brings |
| [19:52:56] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, back in 2007 ipv6 was added to mysql thanks to Google Summer of Code, but it's a compile time switch and disables ipv4 |
| [19:53:19] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, ooh? url? |
| [19:53:22] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: if by latest you mean only 5.5+, there are reports of MythTV sending dates hard-coded into SQL strings using the wrong format, and 5.5 changes its parsing such that these cause failures. Of course, we have no information on where this is done, so I can't fix it, so we don't currently support 5.5 ( http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8585 ) |
| [19:53:22] | GreyFoxx: | korm: hrm. Any idea why they had it one or the other ? |
| [19:53:32] | wagnerrp: | http://www.techspot.com/news/42321-mpaa-threa . . . nternet.html |
| [19:53:33] | sphery: | If 5.1 allows ipv6, then you're fine |
| [19:53:56] | GreyFoxx: | I'll see if I can get it get going under 5.1 |
| [19:54:18] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: or feel free to get it going under 5.5 and submit the logs I need to fix the date problems :) |
| [19:54:48] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, way easier to code, the posix network function that supported both weren't fully threadsafe on certain platforms (bsd) and had nothing similar for others (windows) so just using the base ip functions via a define was a ton easier and faster and didn't introduce any bugs. |
| [19:55:24] | GreyFoxx: | Nasty |
| [19:58:09] | sphery: | yeah, again, BSD is slowing down progress... thanks, wagnerrp! |
| [19:58:13] | sphery: | (joke) |
| [19:58:24] | wagnerrp: | hey now... bs-what? |
| [19:58:24] | ** sphery loves his openss* ** | |
| [20:01:01] | devinheitmueller: | I'm not sure why I bother replying to any emails on mythtv-users. They just make my head hurt afterwards. |
| [20:01:46] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: heh, that's half the fun of -users |
| [20:02:00] | sphery: | It's an adrenaline rush--like sprinting through a minefield |
| [20:02:00] | wagnerrp: | dont worry, the people with grandiose ideas always know better than those with experience |
| [20:02:07] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, but after a couple of emails I start to feel like a troll pointing out the obvious. |
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| [20:04:15] | devinheitmueller: | Don't get me wrong, I've got more than my share of things that bother me, but I cannot bring myself to call the developers incompetent for the state of affairs. |
| [20:04:27] | wagnerrp: | sphery: think the protcol server rewrite would be a good opportunity to switch to something more robust than []:[]? |
| [20:04:28] | devinheitmueller: | I got what I paid for. |
| [20:04:31] | sphery: | heh, and we thank you for that |
| [20:05:05] | sphery: | wagnerrp: could... I think that was just chosen because of the near impossibility of its occuring in a string we pass |
| [20:05:07] | devinheitmueller: | It did make my life a little uncomfortable a couple of nights ago as I rewrote Hauppauge's policy statement towards Linux. How can we offer support on applications that are so prone to be broken? |
| [20:05:24] | sphery: | ooh, wow |
| [20:05:30] | sphery: | is that on a FAQ, yet? |
| [20:05:47] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, I think the changes went online. |
| [20:05:49] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, Isn't the whole overhaul going to protobuf or what not? |
| [20:05:51] | ** devinheitmueller checks ** | |
| [20:05:58] | sphery: | I'd love to read that (mainly to read the question part to try to infer what kind of questions you guys are getting) |
| [20:06:08] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: right now, im just splitting up the monster that is mainserver.cpp |
| [20:06:11] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/support/support_faq_linux.html |
| [20:06:16] | sphery: | thanks |
| [20:06:19] | wagnerrp: | the protocol itself will remain the same |
| [20:06:36] | wagnerrp: | im just allowing programs to register handlers against it |
| [20:06:49] | wagnerrp: | so they can support as few or as many commands as they want |
| [20:07:19] | wagnerrp: | say youre writing a program you want with protocol support |
| [20:07:21] | sphery: | kormoc: he's calling it myth3po |
| [20:07:25] | sphery: | our protocol droid |
| [20:07:25] | devinheitmueller: | I put it politely in characterizing it as "the state of Linux applications", but the truth is that it's our phones that will ring when they can't get their MythTV box to work with one of our tuners, and there is a huge chance that the problem will have nothing to do with us. |
| [20:07:39] | sphery: | (bad joke) |
| [20:07:41] | wagnerrp: | you want a jobqueue, load the jobqueue handler, you want a file server, load the file server handler, etc... |
| [20:07:47] | kormoc: | sphery, nice |
| [20:10:11] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: I think that's a very well-worded page. I'm surprised (and very disappointed) to hear that you guys get lots of support calls for your tuners under GNU/Linux and GNU/Linux apps. :( Wonder if there's a way we could make it more clear that people probably want to start with the mythtv-users list, IRC channel, or some (Ubuntu, mythtvtalk, ...) forums... |
| [20:11:08] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: at this point we pretty much take the stance of "we don't support Linux", and that cuts the call short. But if we did officially support Linux (which is what many Linux users would like to see), I'm sure you can imagine the flood of calls we would get as they cannot get their apps to work properly. |
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| [20:11:37] | devinheitmueller: | At this point though, we aren't getting too many calls, since we really never claimed that Linux was supported in the first place. |
| [20:12:09] | sphery: | ah, that's good--and, yeah, I'm glad that you all take that stance |
| [20:12:35] | sphery: | especially with the nebulous definition of "Linux" out there |
| [20:13:19] | wagnerrp: | nebulous? you mean which version of ubuntu youre running? |
| [20:14:05] | wagnerrp: | nebulous narwhal |
| [20:14:25] | devinheitmueller: | It's a frustrating situation. I was a LinuxTV developer long before I worked at HCW, so I want to see all this stuff succeed (driver support, application usability) – but as a company we really cannot take on the support liability for everybody else's code. |
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| [20:18:37] | kormoc: | and I'm sure that the calls for linux support would be much longer in terms of wall time then the windows counterpart calls |
| [20:18:53] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe |
| [20:19:22] | sphery: | kormoc: exactly--after all, the first few hours would be trying to figure out exactly /what/ the user is running (kernel, libs, distro, apps, ...) |
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| [20:22:04] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: FWIW, I still believe (and have for many years) that Hauppauge is one of the most Linux-friendly companies in existence. I think their approach is a model approach for other hardware companies. Just helping the community to help itself is a huge part of the problem. |
| [20:22:20] | devinheitmueller: | It's not even a question of "at least version X of the kernel/distro/whatever". I frequently get called to the mat because I submitted the original driver support for a device, and then somebody later submitted a patch which broke my driver. |
| [20:22:29] | sphery: | I think GNU/Linux has many frienemies, but I actually consider Hauppauge a friend of FOSS. |
| [20:22:58] | devinheitmueller: | Well, we do our best with the resource allocated. |
| [20:23:11] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: heh, fun... Guess the Linux QA testers aren't doing their jobs. ;) |
| [20:23:18] | devinheitmueller: | heh. |
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| [20:23:33] | adub_: | i am getting way closer |
| [20:23:45] | kormoc: | closer to the sun? Your wings will melt |
| [20:23:47] | sphery: | anyway, thank you from one user/customer who's very pleased with the company |
| [20:23:48] | devinheitmueller: | It's a real headache, because if you had to retest every card with every new version of every distro as they come out, it would be a nightmare. |
| [20:23:55] | adub_: | i got my guide up with a blue screen for the pip at the top righht the pip was coming in fine why it went out i dont know |
| [20:24:02] | adub_: | when i go to watch tv the channels are just blue |
| [20:24:10] | uW: | another customer..a big thank you!! |
| [20:24:28] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: yeah, especially when distros include various patches/backports/... to kernels they ship--few use vanilla Linus kernel |
| [20:24:47] | sphery: | (not to mention patches/backports/... to libraries and compilers and ...) |
| [20:25:21] | devinheitmueller: | Yup. That does add to the mix. And it's not like we can ship a single driver for a card (either as source or a binary), since the surrounding framework is something that changes on a weekly basis. |
| [20:25:45] | sphery: | anyway, I have to go read to find out why it is that MythTV is the only application in the world that suffers from protocol compatibility problems between releases |
| [20:26:01] | sphery: | back to the minefield! |
| [20:26:02] | devinheitmueller: | Anyway, I'll quit my bitching now. |
| [20:26:19] | sphery: | heh, I didn't see it as such |
| [20:26:33] | sphery: | IMHO, it was an educational expose |
| [20:26:43] | sphery: | made me think about a lot of things I hadn't considered |
| [20:27:58] | uW: | devinheitmueller: no no..continue its fun because i share your pain, but i'm in a different world |
| [20:28:26] | GreyFoxx: | if you in anyway support users you feel that pain |
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| [20:28:47] | GreyFoxx: | I get bitched at by a customer ccause some other guys mail server is rejecting his email with a generic error |
| [20:28:53] | uW: | true |
| [20:28:58] | GreyFoxx: | yet it happily accepted it hours ago |
| [20:29:40] | GreyFoxx: | and the customer expects me to call the otherguys mail host instead of getting the otherguy to call his own provider over it |
| [20:29:45] | GreyFoxx: | not...gonna...happen |
| [20:30:08] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:30:18] | GreyFoxx: | I will make myself available to help them as needed, but I will not take on the responsibility of getting them working |
| [20:30:36] | adub_: | my pip was working fine i had my guide working as well can someone direct me on what to do why am i seeing only a blue screen also i noticed the 4:3 aspect ratio when i go into watching tv well the blue screen is 4:3 |
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| [20:31:25] | sphery: | I hate it when some other guy's e-mail server is using an RBL--and my Earthlink ISP mail server gets put on the RBL's list for a day or so. I can't fix it. Earthlink has to contact the RBL for a delisting. The best fix would be for the other mail server to not use the RBL, but... |
| [20:32:23] | sphery: | last time I contacted Earthlink, they (not using external RBLs for their mail services) had no clue what I was talking about when I asked them to submit a form for delisting their Atlanta e-mail server. |
| [20:32:40] | sphery: | fortunately, it was a single-day, auto-removal listing |
| [20:32:42] | GreyFoxx: | spher: I've been on the otherside of that |
| [20:33:08] | GreyFoxx: | our customer fails to get email cause the other joes host is in a known spamhost rbl |
| [20:33:20] | GreyFoxx: | I expect the otherhost to fix it and or clear themselves fro the rbl |
| [20:33:28] | sphery: | yeah |
| [20:33:31] | GreyFoxx: | I wont expose my customers by removing the rbl |
| [20:33:34] | uW: | no way why would they do that.. |
| [20:33:48] | uW: | its easier to call you |
| [20:33:54] | sphery: | just the fact that a major ISPs e-mail server for southeast US can be listed is annoying |
| [20:34:12] | GreyFoxx: | well sure, during the "discovery" phase of the problem, but the resolution bit has to be done by them :) |
| [20:34:17] | GreyFoxx: | spher: hehe |
| [20:34:21] | sphery: | yeah |
| [20:34:25] | GreyFoxx: | some RBL's are gross |
| [20:34:31] | GreyFoxx: | Barracuda is one |
| [20:34:41] | sphery: | I solved the issue by switching my parents to GMail |
| [20:34:58] | sphery: | for all my problems with Google, they really do make a nice e-mail service for non-techies |
| [20:35:16] | uW: | people don't like to really do any research/work just complain |
| [20:35:19] | GreyFoxx: | and their error messages make it look like it;'s the senders mail server being block when in fact it's the originating users IP they don't like despite it being passthrough a non blocked host |
| [20:35:35] | GreyFoxx: | and another company wants you to PAY to be removed |
| [20:35:38] | sphery: | oh, and I will concede that calling Earthlink a "major" ISP may be a bit of a stretch these days... But it's not Bob's Internet. |
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| [20:35:48] | GreyFoxx: | otherwise you MUST wait a week to beauto removed |
| [20:36:07] | sphery: | heh, wow |
| [20:36:26] | sphery: | the one that caught me last was sorbs |
| [20:36:29] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, we've enountered that a couple times |
| [20:36:29] | wagnerrp: | sue for libel, thats the mailing list recommendation |
| [20:36:55] | sphery: | the pay to be removed is just plain wrong |
| [20:36:57] | GreyFoxx: | they refuse to show any info about the complaint or email that get you blocked, only a date and time, and want you to pay to get off it |
| [20:36:58] | sphery: | that's extortion |
| [20:37:01] | GreyFoxx: | It's gross |
| [20:37:10] | sphery: | wow |
| [20:37:25] | GreyFoxx: | I had to deal with them multiple times on customers behalfs |
| [20:37:56] | sphery: | and in this world of shared hosting, keying on IP address is often a terrible approach to blacklisting |
| [20:38:00] | sphery: | maybe ipv6 will help with that |
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| [20:41:30] | Beirdo: | BEERv6 |
| [20:41:31] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [20:41:52] | kormoc: | DIAFv6 |
| [20:42:01] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:42:48] | sphery: | kormoc: oooh, nice... Didn't know you had upgraded DIAFOIP to support IPv6. That was the last thing delaying my switch, so I guess it's safe to move to IPv6, now. |
| [20:43:19] | Beirdo: | it can be a lot more specific too. No need to burn up an entire network because of NAT |
| [20:43:22] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:43:33] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:43:51] | sphery: | the smart-munitions of the 'net |
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| [20:52:53] | wagnerrp: | sphery: is there any real reason to store the backend port in the database? |
| [20:53:04] | wagnerrp: | i mean all that matters is the master backend |
| [20:53:19] | wagnerrp: | when a slave announces itself, it could say what its listening on |
| [20:54:04] | wagnerrp: | the only time anyone is going to connect to a slave directly is when streaming a file |
| [20:54:12] | Beirdo: | what if you wanted to run two master backends on one box? |
| [20:54:15] | wagnerrp: | and the master could provide the port its listening in on in the myth:// URI |
| [20:54:16] | ** Beirdo ducks and runs ** | |
| [20:54:23] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: thats the point im trying to make |
| [20:54:41] | wagnerrp: | slave backends will be listening, file servers will be listening |
| [20:54:46] | wagnerrp: | jobqueues will be listening |
| [20:54:51] | wagnerrp: | other stuff may be listening |
| [20:55:04] | wagnerrp: | thats a lot of ports to store in the database and look up for various things |
| [20:55:10] | Beirdo: | yeah. |
| [20:55:19] | wagnerrp: | just mark the master, and let the master point to everything else |
| [20:55:31] | wagnerrp: | lets the helper servers find their own port to listen on |
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| [20:55:56] | Beirdo: | as long as they announce the port to the backend, that makes sense to me |
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| [20:58:34] | wagnerrp: | maybe have that as a config.xml option for people running firewalls |
| [20:58:44] | wagnerrp: | similar to how the frontend webserver currently is |
| [20:59:11] | Beirdo: | yeah |
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| [21:00:34] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm all for changes that reduce the number of settings :) |
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| [21:05:27] | adub_: | ok i am there i got it working finally |
| [21:05:42] | adub_: | one question to the gurus how do i bring up the guide on the keyboard |
| [21:06:14] | adub_: | and another question is would the rca cable on my analog card be better picture quality for analog channels or just use the cable coax input? |
| [21:06:39] | wagnerrp: | youre capturing off a cable box? |
| [21:08:34] | adub_: | wagnerrp im capturing off just basic cable no cable box |
| [21:08:48] | adub_: | just analog cable from the wall to the analog card |
| [21:08:49] | wagnerrp: | then how would you use an rca cable? |
| [21:08:59] | adub_: | there is an rca input on the card |
| [21:09:05] | adub_: | that can go from the card to the tv |
| [21:09:08] | adub_: | the yellow video one |
| [21:09:18] | adub_: | and there is also a cable coax |
| [21:09:19] | wagnerrp: | your tv outputs composite video? |
| [21:09:38] | adub_: | it does do composite but there is no composite on the card |
| [21:09:54] | wagnerrp: | you do realize that your card is input only, not output, right? |
| [21:10:00] | adub_: | yes |
| [21:10:11] | adub_: | so the output is my hdmi |
| [21:10:17] | adub_: | from my monitor |
| [21:10:22] | adub_: | ok im slow and dumb makes sense |
| [21:10:30] | wagnerrp: | so what would you connect the composite port to, if youre not using a cable box |
| [21:10:32] | adub_: | i have been working on this too long and frying my brain |
| [21:10:40] | wagnerrp: | heh, it happens |
| [21:11:20] | adub_: | the signal from the tv coax is far better than what this card is providing though |
| [21:11:37] | adub_: | i would think hdmi would rock out is there any other setting i can do to make it better |
| [21:11:44] | adub_: | also how i do i show the guide from the keyboard |
| [21:11:49] | wagnerrp: | you mean plugging the coax straight into the TV and using the TV tuner? |
| [21:11:51] | adub_: | time to test recording i guess |
| [21:12:04] | adub_: | no i didnt know i could do that |
| [21:12:17] | wagnerrp: | the cable coax, from the wall |
| [21:12:18] | adub_: | the coax is actually plugged into the tuner card on the computer and i have mythtv working |
| [21:12:29] | adub_: | from the wall to the tvcard in the computer |
| [21:12:58] | wagnerrp: | right now, the cable coax is plugged into your tuner card, and then your video card HDMI is plugged into the tv, correct? |
| [21:13:09] | adub_: | yes |
| [21:13:20] | wagnerrp: | now what is this 'tv coax' youre talking about? |
| [21:14:13] | adub_: | the one plugged into the tuner card |
| [21:14:24] | adub_: | there seems to be slight static when watching channels |
| [21:14:25] | adub_: | IF |
| [21:14:33] | wagnerrp: | but youre saying 'the tv coax is far better than what this card is providing' |
| [21:14:35] | adub_: | the coax is plugged into the tv the video is better |
| [21:14:38] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean by that? |
| [21:14:47] | kormoc: | adub_, move the card into a different slot in the mobo? |
| [21:14:48] | wagnerrp: | ok, try turning up the bitrate for your recordings |
| [21:14:50] | adub_: | when the coax is in the tv the picture is better |
| [21:15:17] | adub_: | wagnerrp is this thing constantly recording or just like any dvr you have to schedule |
| [21:15:18] | wagnerrp: | does it look washed out when playing through mythtv? |
| [21:15:26] | wagnerrp: | it only records when you tell it to |
| [21:15:33] | adub_: | it doesnt look outright horrible but could be better |
| [21:15:33] | wagnerrp: | but any time you are watching livetv, it is recording |
| [21:15:40] | adub_: | oh ok |
| [21:15:50] | adub_: | the audio also resumed |
| [21:15:57] | wagnerrp: | do you only have the one device plugged into the cable line? |
| [21:16:11] | adub_: | when i exited i have external speakers plugged in im not worried about that its kinda funny though |
| [21:16:15] | adub_: | yes |
| [21:16:22] | adub_: | oh it is split |
| [21:16:28] | wagnerrp: | your signal may be over-amped |
| [21:16:45] | adub_: | out at the main box but the picture from coax to tv rather than card being significantly better its noticable |
| [21:16:46] | wagnerrp: | tuner cards tend to be a lot more finicky about their usable power range than tvs |
| [21:17:02] | adub_: | maybe i need a better brand? |
| [21:17:03] | adub_: | lol |
| [21:17:09] | adub_: | this card is kinda old |
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| [21:17:19] | wagnerrp: | if the image looks washed out, you may be having a studio color vs. monitor color problem |
| [21:17:21] | adub_: | how on the keyboard do i bring up the guide |
| [21:17:25] | wagnerrp: | dont know off hand how to fix that |
| [21:17:51] | wagnerrp: | if the image is noisy, you may be picking up interference from another device in the computer, and changing slots like kormoc suggests could fix it |
| [21:18:03] | wagnerrp: | or you could have a ground loop |
| [21:18:21] | adub_: | how do i bring up the guide |
| [21:18:25] | adub_: | using the keyboard |
| [21:18:38] | adub_: | like i can type in channel numbers |
| [21:18:42] | wagnerrp: | dont know, dont use livetv or the EPG |
| [21:18:43] | adub_: | i can press up or down |
| [21:19:14] | wagnerrp: | i know you can pull it up through the 'm' menu |
| [21:19:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | adub_: pressing "m" will bring up a menu, you can open the guide from there. |
| [21:19:26] | wagnerrp: | and you can set mythtv to automatically go to that when you enter livetv |
| [21:19:36] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know what the default keybinding to bring it up directly is |
| [21:19:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) — Most of us here don't use LiveTV, that's why we don't know the shortcuts for it. ;-) |
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| [21:27:01] | justinh: | ow. 32kB/sec upload :( |
| [21:28:18] | justinh: | Guide might just be G btw ;-) Just a guess. I don't really know either |
| [21:28:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Mobile connection? ;-) |
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| [21:29:51] | Beirdo: | oooh, and another Brian... asking us for our experiences with MCE? |
| [21:30:00] | Beirdo: | what is it with Brians today? |
| [21:30:56] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A: sadly not |
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| [21:31:08] | justinh: | rate limited cos of the time of day :-\ |
| [21:31:15] | justinh: | it'll get faster after 11pm |
| [21:31:25] | Beirdo: | like congestion fees on the roads? |
| [21:31:27] | justinh: | unless I manage to upload a GB |
| [21:31:42] | ** justinh blames torrenters ** | |
| [21:31:48] | Beirdo: | arrrr. |
| [21:32:14] | Azelphur: | 200+GB/month in torrents here, yarr :p |
| [21:32:22] | Azelphur: | ISPs hate me :( |
| [21:32:40] | wagnerrp: | thats a lot of linux ISOs and WoW updates |
| [21:32:45] | Beirdo: | so does the channel rules :) |
| [21:32:47] | Azelphur: | indeed |
| [21:33:07] | Azelphur: | I do actually get my Linux ISOs and WoW updates via torrent |
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| [21:33:14] | justinh: | not 200+GB though |
| [21:33:17] | Azelphur: | it's the friendly way to download. |
| [21:33:22] | Azelphur: | true |
| [21:33:59] | ** J-e-f-f-A hasn't had a torrent client on his pc for years... ** | |
| [21:34:06] | justinh: | which – if the argument were actually valid, linux distros / game updates & demos etc – nobody would really be complaining much about P2P |
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| [21:34:41] | Azelphur: | lol the argument is valid, I'm serious, I have an active wow account and I torrent the updates, and if anything I need to download has a torrent option I use it. |
| [21:35:03] | Beirdo: | and it is STILL against channel rules |
| [21:35:15] | Azelphur: | what is? |
| [21:35:15] | justinh: | anyhooo – saw a clip of a disgusting show on TV just now. My Super Sweet Sixteen.. Sheesh. Girl gets a $67,000 car for her birthday a couple of days early & she throws a super tantrum. a great argument for contraception right there |
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| [21:35:45] | wagnerrp: | justinh: because it was /only/ $67,000? |
| [21:36:02] | wagnerrp: | i guess she wanted the maserati |
| [21:36:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | And I thought I spoiled myself with a used Tahoe for $17,000... doh! |
| [21:36:53] | Beirdo: | should get her name changed to "High Maintenance" |
| [21:37:22] | justinh: | wagnerrp: no, because she wanted it delivered to her on her actual birthday |
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| [21:37:38] | Beirdo: | pffft |
| [21:37:51] | Beirdo: | no car for you, you whiny little brat. |
| [21:37:59] | adub_: | wagnerrp also noticed there is a delay in sound im using external speakers that plug into an audio jack in the card |
| [21:38:16] | Beirdo: | here's a 1975 Ford Pinto. Hope it doesn't explode |
| [21:38:18] | wagnerrp: | adub_: a couple second delay? |
| [21:38:22] | adub_: | yes |
| [21:38:32] | wagnerrp: | audio before the video? |
| [21:38:39] | adub_: | i believe so |
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| [21:39:17] | justinh: | and here's the clip : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90HhZ-pyC2Y |
| [21:39:39] | wagnerrp: | sounds like youre using a framegrabber improperly |
| [21:40:55] | justinh: | are they still making/selling framegrabber cards? :-O |
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| [21:41:11] | wagnerrp: | justinh: most digital tuners have a framegrabber for analog |
| [21:41:15] | justinh: | not that it matters much. I bet uncle Jon has a few in his garage |
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| [21:41:40] | justinh: | wagnerrp: yeh mine does, but lacks input sockets. Failure denied ;-) |
| [21:41:53] | BluesKaj: | howdy , what's the word on the Hauppauge HD-PVR Model 1212, with mythtv as UI , is it workable ? |
| [21:42:04] | adub_: | wagnerrp also the sound continues after i exit the audiopulse resume sucess |
| [21:42:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: search youtube for "Merry Christmas, B***" (replace *'s as necessary) – it's Hilarious! |
| [21:42:16] | justinh: | the grabber chip is generally just used as a gateway to the pci bus on digital tuners |
| [21:42:18] | sphery: | BluesKaj: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR |
| [21:42:32] | BluesKaj: | sphery, thanks |
| [21:42:42] | ** sphery wonders why everyone stresses the Model 1212 part... ** | |
| [21:42:50] | sphery: | (even the wiki page) |
| [21:42:53] | sphery: | is that even important? |
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| [21:43:03] | wagnerrp: | yes, they could have the model 1219 |
| [21:43:09] | BluesKaj: | sphery, I just copied and pasted from their website |
| [21:43:17] | justinh: | sphery: it's cos of all the other grey import HDPVR cards there were gonna be ;-) |
| [21:43:19] | BluesKaj: | :) |
| [21:43:41] | justinh: | they were announced at CES & seemingly never saw the light of day yet |
| [21:43:48] | sphery: | !url tuners |
| [21:43:48] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [21:44:03] | Beirdo: | J-e-f-f-A: hehehe |
| [21:44:16] | Beirdo: | that's funny but just so wrong |
| [21:44:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: I <3 that video... But I'd never get away with it... |
| [21:44:33] | wagnerrp: | justinh: hauppauge and avermedia both sell HD capture devices in both USB and PCIe form factor |
| [21:44:47] | justinh: | wagnerrp: yeah but I seem to remember a *lot* were promised |
| [21:45:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: I know, to blow up a perfectly good SUV... Jeepers... |
| [21:45:03] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so the 1219 doesn't work? |
| [21:45:08] | justinh: | hauppauge & avermedia are so far the only ones who've got any out there AFAIK |
| [21:45:13] | wagnerrp: | the 1219 works just fine |
| [21:45:24] | sphery: | then why would one care whether it's a 1212 or 1219? |
| [21:45:31] | Beirdo: | the 1219 = 1212 + French manual |
| [21:45:49] | sphery: | wow, surprised that's supported--I know I couldn't read the manual :) |
| [21:46:25] | justinh: | anyway don't geeks like numbers? ;-) |
| [21:46:25] | sphery: | anyway, calling it an HD-PVR Model 1212 is much better than calling it a Hauppauge 1212 |
| [21:46:29] | sphery: | just wondered |
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| [21:48:09] | adub_: | where is advanced audio configuration in mythtv |
| [21:48:16] | justinh: | wowser. just watched a couple of clips captured from consoles... now *that* is a capture device |
| [21:49:06] | justinh: | I'd love to have seen how good a PVR card could've been with RGB input though |
| [21:49:20] | wagnerrp: | no better |
| [21:49:28] | justinh: | somebody used to sell a framegrabber with RGB input |
| [21:49:39] | justinh: | the stills looked pretty crisp even for SDTV |
| [21:49:51] | wagnerrp: | would only be useful for capturing from game consoles and the like |
| [21:50:01] | justinh: | wagnerrp: nah I think it'd still look way better than svideo |
| [21:50:12] | justinh: | and of course STBs with RGB output :) |
| [21:50:14] | wagnerrp: | i mean RGB vs. component |
| [21:50:21] | justinh: | get ya |
| [21:50:22] | wagnerrp: | there are no STBs with RGB output |
| [21:50:27] | justinh: | yeah there are :) |
| [21:50:30] | justinh: | I've got one |
| [21:50:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | not in the US... |
| [21:50:40] | wagnerrp: | well, sure, you and your funky SCART |
| [21:50:43] | justinh: | you never got SCART :P |
| [21:51:15] | justinh: | bet there's still a way to hack up a pvr150 to allow RGB capture.. just need to set the input matrix right |
| [21:51:22] | devinheitmueller: | There are indeed products which can do SD component capture (I did a driver for the Viewcast 450e a few months ago which supports it) |
| [21:51:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | And here in the US, DVD players were outlawed from having RGB outputs... way before the encryption was cracked... |
| [21:51:39] | wagnerrp: | what for? |
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| [21:51:54] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A: that's retarded. RGB could still have macrovision on it |
| [21:52:07] | sphery: | heh, "Plum picked from bb144de751dab3ea8a4e" ... Guess that's for the larger backports :) |
| [21:52:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Yep. And it does... |
| [21:52:16] | wagnerrp: | justinh: yeah, but there were no provisions to make macrovision actually work on RGB |
| [21:52:53] | sphery: | ah, markk backported a change that I want. Now I have to update my system. :) |
| [21:52:55] | wagnerrp: | macrovision requires a specially designed filter on the recording device to cause it to function |
| [21:53:02] | justinh: | anybody who wanted to could get rid... they only needed to drop $25 on a 'copy enhancer' |
| [21:53:03] | wagnerrp: | remove the filter, and macrovision does nothing |
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| [21:54:04] | sphery: | I hear walleye vision is the new DRM |
| [21:54:24] | wagnerrp: | you referring 3D? |
| [21:54:47] | sphery: | heh, no, just remembering the (dumb) movie Hot Shots! |
| [21:55:51] | justinh: | time left: 22 HOURS?! Oh man |
| [21:56:01] | skd5aner: | w00t, done with January commits in the release-notes |
| [21:56:04] | justinh: | be faster to send em a USB stick |
| [21:56:12] | wagnerrp: | sphery: they have a fix for that |
| [21:56:18] | wagnerrp: | but they have to go in through the rectum |
| [21:56:21] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:58:04] | sphery: | OK, I /think/ Dmitry is saying his issue is fixed, now, by setting language/encoding info in the environment for the backend |
| [21:58:28] | sphery: | ok, maybe not |
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| [21:58:42] | sphery: | he can see files, but they don't play, |
| [21:58:46] | BluesKaj: | sphery, I already have a pvr with component video out, hence my interest in the Hauppauge HD-PVR . I'm just looking for a way to transfer recorded hdtv progs to my pc , since the pvr is so limited , and the hdmi output might be disabled by drm codes etc |
| [21:59:25] | adub_: | Override SRC quality Sample Rate Conversion |
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| [21:59:39] | adub_: | where is this setting |
| [21:59:41] | BluesKaj: | mythtv seems a bit much for my needs |
| [22:00:01] | adub_: | its a beast when you first get into it man |
| [22:00:36] | adub_: | its kinda addicting though i want to figure out how to tweak my setting to give a best case senario in analog picture through my computer and then pick out the top of the line remote for this |
| [22:00:44] | adub_: | :) |
| [22:01:00] | adub_: | computers n stuff gotta love it the possiblity with linux is endless |
| [22:04:07] | BluesKaj: | adub_, well , I'm not sure if I really need mythtv , it seems rather more than I need to store video on my pc |
| [22:05:44] | sphery: | adub_: mythfrontend's (main) General settings section. On the audio configuration page, you check a box to show advanced options. |
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| [22:12:16] | adub_: | thanks blueskaj do you know of ways to improve video quality |
| [22:13:12] | BluesKaj: | adun, I'm a noob about mythtv |
| [22:13:25] | BluesKaj: | adub_, |
| [22:16:16] | adub_: | blueskaj me too major noob |
| [22:16:31] | adub_: | i have it working somewhat audio with video is out of sync |
| [22:16:38] | adub_: | but oh well easy come easy go on that |
| [22:17:04] | adub_: | i have a working setup i think maybe after i get the audio/video hammered out then i will have at least somewhat of a better setup |
| [22:17:56] | adub_: | im thinking maybe for analog tv to come in best maybe to have a cable card that has svideo out on it and just use the card only for capture and video when watching tv dunno |
| [22:18:23] | wagnerrp: | you dont want a tuner card with svideo outputs |
| [22:19:23] | adub_: | the card has an rca yellow jack on it though |
| [22:19:31] | adub_: | and a jack for audio that i plug speakers into |
| [22:19:39] | adub_: | the card im ussing |
| [22:19:42] | wagnerrp: | for input, yes |
| [22:19:59] | adub_: | oh ya thats right we went through this already |
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| [22:26:47] | brfransen: | I just upgraded to .24-fixes and the osd progress never moves off 0:00 during playback for any of my .nuv analog recordings. Is this a known bug or do I have some config issue? |
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| [22:28:48] | clustermagnet: | gents, after rearing the wiki, i am still uncertain which capture card to get. if you were to build a great mythtv system from scratch… i would assume you would use a good capture card |
| [22:28:52] | clustermagnet: | which one should i look at? |
| [22:29:01] | clustermagnet: | the output card should probably be nvidia... |
| [22:29:21] | wagnerrp: | depends entirely on what you intend to capture |
| [22:29:38] | ** J-e-f-f-A typed too slow ;-) ** | |
| [22:29:52] | clustermagnet: | wagnerrp: thanks! i am getting directv hd |
| [22:30:15] | wagnerrp: | do you want standard or high definition? |
| [22:30:39] | clustermagnet: | wagnerrp: i am sure HD, yes |
| [22:30:41] | clustermagnet: | wouldnt you? |
| [22:30:52] | clustermagnet: | i do have a big flat lcd |
| [22:30:59] | wagnerrp: | then the only option is analog component capture from a Hauppauge HDPVR |
| [22:31:53] | ** J-e-f-f-A <3's his HD-PVRs. ;-) ** | |
| [22:32:32] | clustermagnet: | wagnerrp: why analog? |
| [22:32:32] | jpabq_: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/HD-PVR |
| [22:32:42] | clustermagnet: | jpabq: thanks, reading |
| [22:32:52] | jpabq_: | Because digital is copy protected. |
| [22:33:00] | wagnerrp: | clustermagnet: because directtv is encrypted, and does not provide CAMs for use with DVB tuners |
| [22:33:18] | wagnerrp: | the only option left is analog capture off a directtv box |
| [22:33:28] | justinh: | hahaha just did a classic WTH when my wife accessed 'watch recordings'. Why the hell did it record Front Row? Ahh.. Julie Walters was in it |
| [22:33:29] | clustermagnet: | wagnerrp: thanks |
| [22:34:37] | clustermagnet: | so if i bought Hauppauge HD-PVR, i would have a HD dvr capturing directv feed from the hd receiver they will install? |
| [22:34:49] | clustermagnet: | and is this thing runnign mythbuntu/arch etc ? |
| [22:35:01] | wagnerrp: | there are linux drivers available for it, yes |
| [22:35:23] | adub_: | wagnerrp you are in here a lot :) |
| [22:35:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | clustermagnet: Yes, once you configure your mythTV system for it, and setup the channel-change script. |
| [22:35:29] | adub_: | but its good you help people daily |
| [22:35:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | adub_: many of us have proxy servers that have us in the channel 24x7. ;-) |
| [22:35:56] | wagnerrp: | you will need to set up an IR blaster to change channels on the DTV box |
| [22:35:58] | adub_: | sweet |
| [22:36:19] | wagnerrp: | or, they just leave their client open, and access the client remotely |
| [22:36:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | adub_: But we aren't at our keyboards 24x7. ;-) |
| [22:36:52] | tgm4883: | bip FTW |
| [22:37:03] | clustermagnet: | wagnerrp: oh, so its an addon to your own myth tv machine? |
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| [22:37:19] | wagnerrp: | clustermagnet: an 'ir blaster' is a ... |
| [22:37:46] | tgm4883: | HDPVR + firewire channel change! |
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| [22:38:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | tgm4883: not on directv, which is what he has. ;-) I use firewire for my FiOS STBs though... ;-) |
| [22:38:35] | tgm4883: | J-e-f-f-A, ah, my bad, didn't see that |
| [22:38:39] | jpabq_: | With directv you can use it's USB port for channel changing. |
| [22:39:00] | tgm4883: | yea, serial/usb channel changing then |
| [22:39:01] | wagnerrp: | jpabq_: i can never remember if that is dish or direct |
| [22:39:18] | tgm4883: | i did it when I had directv, but that was awhile ago |
| [22:39:25] | jpabq_: | That is one of the main reason I choose Directv over Dish. |
| [22:39:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | jpabq_: does that work with 'modern' usb->serial adapters? I thought it was only with an older usb->serial adapter, not available anymore. |
| [22:40:33] | jpabq_: | kormoc (I think) discovered that this adaptor works well: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007T27H8/r . . . TVPDKIKX0DER |
| [22:40:41] | jpabq_: | I bought one to try, and it does indeed work. |
| [22:40:46] | clustermagnet: | so, the setup looks like this: |
| [22:40:46] | clustermagnet: | satellite -> HDPVR -> mythtv machine -> tele |
| [22:40:46] | clustermagnet: | correct? |
| [22:40:54] | kormoc: | jpabq_, awesome |
| [22:41:13] | clustermagnet: | mythbuntu would have the drivers i hope |
| [22:41:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | clustermagnet: Yes, assuming you mean "satellite STB' in the pic above. ;-) |
| [22:41:53] | clustermagnet: | guys, i'll be back tomorrow, i'll take many notes. thanks for all your time! must go to meeting |
| [22:42:06] | jpabq_: | kormoc: yeah, thanks for the tip. I didn't need another one, but having a spare is a good idea. |
| [22:42:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | jpabq: Did you buy 2, or just 1? |
| [22:43:23] | jpabq_: | Just one. Since it was just to try, and use as a spare. |
| [22:43:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | jpabq_: Because if you bought 2, you could just buy some 'generic' one for the PC side, as long as it has Linux drivers, with I think most everything has. ;-) |
| [22:43:43] | jpabq_: | right |
| [22:44:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | jpabq_: So you've either got a hardware serial port on your backend, or a different usb->Serial adapter. ;-) |
| [22:45:06] | jpabq_: | Different on the linux side of things. |
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| [22:45:38] | wagnerrp: | whoops |
| [22:45:48] | wagnerrp: | when using while loops, make sure to increment your iterator |
| [22:46:02] | jpabq_: | he he he |
| [22:46:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | I was kinda suprised how good DirecTV HD looked, considering their SD looked horrible compared to Dish... |
| [22:46:19] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs at wagnerrp ;-) Been there, done that myself! ** | |
| [22:46:35] | wagnerrp: | 'why is this function not returning?' |
| [22:47:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: or you add some output lines to debug, and find it's always at "0" ... Hummm... |
| [22:47:32] | BluesKaj: | is it true that some movies contain codes to turn off analog componebt video outputs to prevent copying ? |
| [22:47:42] | wagnerrp: | not yet |
| [22:47:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | dang, I'm slow today. ;-) |
| [22:51:15] | justinh: | hmm. munu.xml needs editing |
| [22:51:19] | justinh: | MUNU. lol |
| [22:51:50] | BluesKaj: | any Canadians here , and if so do you have any experience with mythtv guide software applicable to Canadian providers? |
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| [22:53:21] | iamlindoro: | Schedules Direct covers Canada |
| [22:53:29] | iamlindoro: | so you can feel free to ask any US or Mexico based users too |
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| [22:54:34] | iamlindoro: | to which personally I say it's well worth the trivial cost per year |
| [22:54:49] | ** J-e-f-f-A +1 for Schedules Direct ** | |
| [22:54:53] | iamlindoro: | as the guide data is excellent, complete, and full featured |
| [22:54:54] | BluesKaj: | iamlindoro, thanks , i wasn't aware of the coverages...guess I have some more reading to do :) |
| [22:55:06] | adub: | man when i record something it completely takes over i cant do jack else even when i try to stop the recording oh hell no it still wont let me do jack |
| [22:55:15] | iamlindoro: | BluesKaj: schedulesdirect.org should be able to help you and most of us here are users as well |
| [22:55:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | adub: framegrabber with a slow computer? |
| [22:55:38] | adub: | quad core |
| [22:55:39] | BluesKaj: | iamlindoro, good to hear :) |
| [22:55:49] | adub: | 8 gig ram |
| [22:55:57] | adub: | maybe too fast of a computer, lol |
| [22:56:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | adub: then something's wrong... ;-) |
| [22:56:10] | adub: | i guess |
| [22:56:17] | iamlindoro: | he'd need to be a lot more specific about "completely takes over" and "can't do jack" |
| [22:56:26] | iamlindoro: | as that's not exactly debuggable behavior |
| [22:56:32] | adub: | this program is quirky as hell i guess i cant complain too much runs in linux and fully customizable just have to get over all the hurdles |
| [22:56:44] | ** J-e-f-f-A has a quad-core with 8GB ram and does 7 tuners without skipping a beat. ** | |
| [22:57:04] | iamlindoro: | yes, quads here too with 8 GB everywhere, lots of tuners, no issues |
| [22:57:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | *and* 4 commflag jobs going at once... |
| [22:58:20] | Beirdo: | heh :) |
| [22:58:35] | Beirdo: | similar here, but only 4G memory |
| [22:59:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | slacker. ;-) |
| [23:00:02] | Beirdo: | suits me fine |
| [23:00:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hehehehe... just kidding. ;-) |
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| [23:20:17] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but neither of you are using framegrabbers |
| [23:26:12] | Beirdo: | mmm, lamegrabber |
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| [23:27:13] | adub_: | my video is too slow to the audio |
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| [23:46:49] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: you in? |
| [23:47:28] | wagnerrp: | im struggling to wrap my head around the event propagation |
| [23:48:57] | wagnerrp: | basically, i dont understand how to tell whether an event is locally sourced and should be pushed upstream to the backend, or is remotely sourced and should terminate locally |
| [23:53:56] | adub_: | wagnerrp do you have any insight on syncing the slow video to audio issue |
| [23:54:48] | adub_: | this is live video dont know how recorded video will be |
| [23:57:01] | wagnerrp: | if the video is several seconds behind the audio, then your audio is being passed through to the sound card and output directly |
| [23:57:10] | wagnerrp: | if you dont have mirrored audio playback |
| [23:57:23] | wagnerrp: | then that means either audio is not recording at all, or sound output in mythtv is not configured properly |
| [23:57:32] | wagnerrp: | either way, you will not have audio during recordings |
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