Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, February 6th, 2011, 00:02 UTC

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darkdrgn2k:

hey guys, any one know if Fedora14 supports HDPVR ir blaster

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darkdrgn2k:

or does it still need to be patched

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sphery:

tgm4883: yeah, it's only for SD, and it's resource intensive enough that it won't work on all users' backend systems

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sphery:

I don't know for sure, but I hope it would ignore the arg for xmltv users, like wagnerrp said

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wagnerrp:

i still say we need some sort of performance benchmark in the code for this purpse

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sphery:

you mean one that reports results?

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wagnerrp:

no, ones that let better defaults be chosen

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wagnerrp:

something expanded on what iamli ndoro is trying to do with the video playback wizard

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wagnerrp:

see how many database IOps you can do... decide the --dd-grab-all accordingly

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wagnerrp:

do some basic benchmark like qvdpautest to select which profile to use

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wagnerrp:

do processor/opengl benchmarks for similar purposes with non-vdpau

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, but tests like that will claim my atom can't handle h264 decoding in software! HOW DATE YOU DIRTY THE ATOM NAME!

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: keep that up and ill tell everyone you use a crappy ION

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** kormoc hides **

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wagnerrp:

well if you go by the revised definition, you do have an ION system... :)

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kormoc:

ooh?

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wagnerrp:

do you have a 9400m or gt320m mini?

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kormoc:

9400m

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wagnerrp:

yeah, anything with a 9400m is now an 'ion-based system'

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kormoc:

wow

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wagnerrp:

including discrete graphics cards that are not in any way a 'system'

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kormoc:

way to rewrite history

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wagnerrp:

yep

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rooaus1:

What is the preferred HDD for a backend, looking to upgrade a couple of drives? Asking here because there are a few people around that manage 100s of machines IIRC.

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rooaus1:

Got burnt on the seagates last time.

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wagnerrp:

definitely Quantum

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rooaus1:

wagnerrp: Full or half spin?

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wagnerrp:

what?

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wagnerrp:

quantum is a hard drive manufacturer

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rooaus1:

oh, were you serious? Have they started manufacturing drives again?

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rooaus1:

They soldout to maxtor years ago I thought

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darkdrgn2k:

"In April 2001, Maxtor Corporation acquired our hard disk drive division, thus assuming all responsibility for customer support for Quantum's hard disk drives"

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knightr:

only thing they still do is tape drives I think...

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darkdrgn2k:

http://www.quantum.com/ServiceandSupport/Cont . . . t/Index.aspx <- what they doo

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wagnerrp:

all hard drives from all manufacturers will fail with similar frequency

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darkdrgn2k:

seems tapes and softaare that enulates tapes for hd

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wagnerrp:

firmware f-ups like the seagate issue not withstanding

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wagnerrp:

decide how long you intend to go before upgrading your hard drives

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wagnerrp:

buy hard drives with a warranty to match

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nutron:

I do have to admit that the seagate debacle was bs. So I've gone hitachi ... hasn't been a bad move yet.

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wagnerrp:

and if you dont want to lose any data, have enough redundancy that you can recover should anything happen

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darkdrgn2k:

lol my buddy if scared abotu bitrot...

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wagnerrp:

buy different batches from different brands so youll never get caught in a single major failure

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: bitrot is something that affects all drives from all manufacturers

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wagnerrp:

the only way around it is data checksumming

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: i know...he was looking at zfs

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rooaus1:

nutron: Yeah, I had three Seagate 1TB drives in short order. The warranty did cover it but it was still a bitch to have to worry about.

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: but from what i heard linux raid can correct that stuff to

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wagnerrp:

zfs only works if you use zraid

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, or extensive mirroring

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: yeah, you need 3-way mirroring or better

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wagnerrp:

which effectively, youre doing the same thing as checksumming at that point

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: for zfs's bitrot protection to work, you must be using zraid... individual drives, and zfs partitions on top of hardware arrays, do no good

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rooaus1:

perhaps I should have asked if there are any HDD to avoid? Sounds like not really.

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kormoc:

rooaus1, All hard drives

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knightr:

Is there any way to know if VDPAU is used (logs I would guess but which ones)? I'm pretty sure it's no longer used on one of my pc for stuff that used to use it....

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[R]:

logs, cpu usage, etc

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knightr:

[R], I know but I had to set it to all to see something...

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[R]:

huh?

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knightr:

I didn't check CPU usage but I'm pretty it's no longer working...

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knightr:

something that suggest the VDPAU is no longer being used....

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[R]:

you lost me

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knightr:

I don't mean it changed something on the display..

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knightr:

One of my pc is not strong enough if VDPAU isn't used...

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knightr:

It used to work correctly but I can clearly see that things that used to work no longer work...

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knightr:

normal logging doesn't show anything interesting...

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knightr:

I didn't know what to set the logging to so I ask it to show everything... I do get errors that suggest VDPAU doesn't work anymore...

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knightr:

Thing is I now get way too much stuff in those logs which all that logging...

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knightr:

The configure scripts sees the VDPAU library but VDPAU is clearly no longer used anymore...

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kormoc:

-v playback ?

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knightr:

kormoc, ah, thanks Rob, you're right, that's most probably it...

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knightr:

wonder what happened, though, that used to work....

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kormoc:

I'm certainly using VDPAU on master as of last night so I don't think it's the sources that is broken

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knightr:

pretty sure it's local too...

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knightr:

It probably happened when I updated the drivers but the ones I use still provide the VDPAU library I think and configure still finds it...

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sphery:

I've had nvidia drivers remove the libvdpau library, before

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sphery:

(haven't read scrollback, so ignore me if irrelevant)

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Beirdo:

sooo bored

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knightr:

sphery, the configure script would no longer see it though, right/

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knightr:

?

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Beirdo:

I think I'll rip another LP or two or something

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MylesMan:

The eit is the program infromation as provided from the Sat-box yes?

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MylesMan:

instead of schedules direct

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MylesMan:

?

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iamlindoro:

If you're anywhere you would otherwise be using Schedules Direct, the EIT is likely basically useless to you

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iamlindoro:

If you are using Satellite in Schedules Direct territory, it's doubly useless

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sphery:

knightr: yeah, and mythfrontend would likely no longer run without the libs

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knightr:

sphery, thanks! That's weird... I wonder what got messed up...

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MylesMan:

ik its usless but i have a channel that on my STB displays upcoming sports ppvs

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sphery:

MylesMan: you can't pull EIT off a satellite box

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MylesMan:

and SD lists the info for it as signoff

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sphery:

only off direct digital feeds

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MylesMan:

k

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MylesMan:

so i cant pull in the ppv info then

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iamlindoro:

correct

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kormoc:

MylesMan, depends on the PPV system, some do set start/end times and SD should have that information. Some do ondemand and thus there is not information to be had

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MylesMan:

then next question how can i hide the playback or pause it while in the guide

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MylesMan:

to speed things up some

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MylesMan:

i couldn't find a setting but i may've missed it

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[R]:

speed things up?

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MylesMan:

i have a slower machine

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MylesMan:

that serves as a dual FE/BE

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[R]:

sounds like you need a better computer

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MylesMan:

its not so slow as to be unsable by any means

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MylesMan:

i just thought maybe...

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MylesMan:

ykwim

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kormoc:

there is a setting to do that, yes

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kormoc:

you just missed it

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MylesMan:

where

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MylesMan:

the continue playback while embedded?

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MylesMan:

cuz that didnt work

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kormoc:

It's there, somewhere

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kormoc:

I'm not gonna go page by page via the settings to find it for you

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MylesMan:

lol ok thx

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MylesMan:

i'll dig around

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MylesMan:

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand lastly the mythbox is in my room and i'd like to know how shut it down automatically after it records

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[R]:

MylesMan: look up acpi wakeup in the wiki

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MylesMan:

not the nvram one?

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MylesMan:

cuz i found that

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MylesMan:

nvm found it

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Beirdo:

Oh, so bored.

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Beirdo:

entertain me...

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** nutron pulls his underwear over his head **

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** nutron dances **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I'm ripping an LP and watching TV, and still bored :)

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nutron:

i'm watching dead like me on youtube...

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nutron:

wagnerrp is to blame...

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nutron:

or the fact that I mentioned that the guy in criminal minds (was) .. was the same guy in the princess bride

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Beirdo:

I have it queued up on netfilx

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wagnerrp:

dont blame me

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** nutron blames wagnerrp **

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Beirdo:

you didn't realize that? :)

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nutron:

I did, I thought I was crafty ... alas I always get outwitted here :P

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wagnerrp:

blame the russians for that crapa** space station that kicked off the whole series

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Beirdo:

hmmm, a waffle house would be good right now

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nutron:

heh

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nutron:

why is the actress that other people see so fugly and look like she belongs in a crack house?

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Beirdo:

because that's how it works?

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wagnerrp:

probably to prevent her from having to interact with the rest of the population

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Beirdo:

heh, I dunno, I didn't write it

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wagnerrp:

no one likes the fugly girl

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nutron:

heh

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wagnerrp:

except for spoiled rich boy... never figured that one out

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nutron:

yeah i'm watching that episode right now

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sphery:

Beirdo: I heard that people who are bored while watching TV are supposed to buy iPads and use them while watching TV

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm

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darkdrgn2k:

"make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../../../../lib64/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop."

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darkdrgn2k:

under themes

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sphery:

what branch?

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darkdrgn2k:

git "trunk"

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darkdrgn2k:

from a few days ago... compiled fine on another machine

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darkdrgn2k:

seems to keep going...but

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sphery:

hmmm, yeah, compiled fine for me 2 days ago

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Beirdo:

hehe, I could use my nook color

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sphery:

heh, but the article said ipad

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sphery:

I don't think you can just substitute some other tablet willy nilly

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Captain_Murdoch:

with one of those new Mobile ATSC receivers, you could watch live TV on your iPad while bored watching recorded TV on your Myth box.

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

"mobile atsc receiver" is more likely a "portable" atsc receiver, right?

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Beirdo:

I don't have an ipad :)

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sphery:

since there are serious problems with atsc and moving antennas

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darkdrgn2k:

how do you create a lineup with hd channels?

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darkdrgn2k:

do you jsut make them "invisible" on that tuner?

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, but they use mobile in the name I believe. http://www.mdtvsignalmap.com and Valups.com as one example of a receiver

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darkdrgn2k:

...create new video source with the same lineup

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, these are for on the go. something new I hadn't heard about until CES.

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sphery:

darkdrgn2k: a video source is a list of all channels that are available over an input. if you have different channels available on different inputs, you need different video sources

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sphery:

(technically list of channels + tuning info)

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: cool. wonder if they've figured out how to work around the moving antenna issue

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Captain_Murdoch:

I think I saw lots of portable TV's and receivers for this special low-def signal.

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darkdrgn2k:

so i have to create two video sources (using the same lineup) then remove the HD channels from teh SD video source

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Captain_Murdoch:

supposedly live in 60 markets already.

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sphery:

they had a new spec for mobile atsc, but it required changes to transmitters... don't remember if it was compatible with deployed receivers, though

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sphery:

ah, so maybe that is the new spec thing?

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sphery:

darkdrgn2k: or, create the SDTV video source and only have the SDTV channels in the lineup when you Fetch channels from listings provider. Then add the HDTV channels to the lineup, then create your HDTV video source, scan for channels on the HDTV, and you don't have to delete anything

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darkdrgn2k:

sphery: i dont think it let me setup two lineups from the same source in SD...

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sphery:

darkdrgn2k: only one lineup... 2 snapshots in time

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sphery:

i.e. don't add HDTV channels until you've successfully set up SDTV video source

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darkdrgn2k:

Aaaaa...

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darkdrgn2k:

cant i just remove them from the DB?

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sphery:

note, though, that you'll need to either add HDTV channels to SDTV video source and mark them not visible or add --remove-new-channels as a mythfilldatabase argument (in mythtv-setup general settings) so it doesn't add HDTV channels back

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sphery:

darkdrgn2k: yes, either or

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sphery:

add too many and delete extra

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sphery:

or never add extra

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sphery:

6/half dozen

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darkdrgn2k:

so if i just maek them as invisible, that would work right?

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sphery:

yes, at least in short term

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darkdrgn2k:

y shrot term?

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sphery:

as long as you never mark them visible or anything changes them

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darkdrgn2k:

aaa

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darkdrgn2k:

understood

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sphery:

I, personally, believe you should never add a channel to a video source that you can't tune--even if you intend to leave it as invisible

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sphery:

it a) increases the number of programs in the DB (slowing scheduling and searches and ...) and b) can cause issues if something ever tries to tune it, c) makes mythfilldatabase runs slower (which makes it harder to use --dd-grab-all)

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darkdrgn2k:

so then you have to do --remove-new-channels

[04:18:15]

darkdrgn2k:

(alternative to invisible)

[04:18:21]

sphery:

and the main argument that people present is that if you don't do it that way, you may need to use --remove-new-channels

[04:18:33]

sphery:

so "when my cable company gives me new analog channels, I won't know"

[04:18:50]

sphery:

but, really, how often does your cable company gift you new, free channels?

[04:18:57]

darkdrgn2k:

LOL no thanx :-P if you ask me

[04:19:04]

darkdrgn2k:

they give me more ussles chnnels (like interactive ones)

[04:19:22]

sphery:

heh

[04:19:27]

sphery:

anyway, either approach should work

[04:19:30]

darkdrgn2k:

that crash the receiver...

[04:19:35]

sphery:

yeah

[04:19:40]

sphery:

that's my main complaint

[04:19:46]

darkdrgn2k:

lol

[04:19:54]

sphery:

my MythTV box is never allowed to tune anything without my approval

[04:20:02]

darkdrgn2k:

i just wish happuage's blaster had discreat power ir signal:(

[04:20:16]

Beirdo:

OK, time to rip some Daft Punk

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sphery:

and for just that reason--if it's something that I may not be able to tune, I don't want my system failing the recordings that follow the failed tune

[04:20:31]

Beirdo:

heck if I can find the CD, but I have the LP :)

[04:21:08]

Beirdo:

LP cost more than the CD too (new)

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darkdrgn2k:

sphery: do i need to do --remove-new-channels on every machien with a backend?

[04:21:31]

sphery:

no, mythfilldatabase arguments setting is global

[04:21:35]

sphery:

just set it once in mythtv-setup

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darkdrgn2k:

cool

[04:21:47]

sphery:

remember, though, to always use it if you ever run mythfilldatabase at the command line

[04:21:55]

Beirdo:

oh, that was smart.

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darkdrgn2k:

10–4

[04:22:16]

Beirdo:

hahaha... I marked the tracks, saved the project, and forgot to export the FLAC files

[04:22:18]

sphery:

for example, you may want to use mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all at the command line to initially populate your listings

[04:22:20]

Beirdo:

eeediot

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sphery:

you'd need to use --remove-new-channels there, too

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darkdrgn2k:

can i run mythfilldatabase for only one source?

[04:23:08]

sphery:

darkdrgn2k: the reason to use --dd-grab-all for initial population is so you can see how long it takes, and if it's reasonable, you can set that in mythfilldatabase arguments, too (if it takes 45min, then don't)

[04:23:18]

sphery:

you can specify a source, see --help

[04:23:32]

sphery:

see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/449426#449426 for info on --dd-grab-all

[04:23:42]

sphery:

(and the linked message)

[04:23:57]

darkdrgn2k:

danke

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darkdrgn2k:

ok compile did fail

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darkdrgn2k:

http://pastebin.com/mD8Jviru

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darkdrgn2k:

what am i missing :-S

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sphery:

I would guess some issue with either your built tools or Qt itself

[04:26:17]

sphery:

was this a clean repo you used to build on this machine?

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darkdrgn2k:

think it maybe php binding

[04:26:25]

darkdrgn2k:

yeh

[04:26:29]

darkdrgn2k:

fedora 14 clean insatll

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sphery:

might want to try a make distclean?

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darkdrgn2k:

tried that already

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sphery:

can you run: which install

[04:27:24]

darkdrgn2k:

/usr/bin/install

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darkdrgn2k:

im missing perl and python bidings

[04:27:47]

darkdrgn2k:

dont know if its important

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sphery:

shouldn't be

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darkdrgn2k:

its a closet machine anyway..

[04:28:09]

sphery:

looks like it's failing in /usr/src/remote/mythtv/mythtv/libs

[04:28:15]

sphery:

so after php bindings

[04:28:31]

sphery:

I still lean toward tool chain or Qt

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darkdrgn2k:

just chekced same qt packages are installed as on the master (which i compiled this on a few days ago)

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wagnerrp:

whoops... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXAvEQZC2kA

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darkdrgn2k:

ooh noos

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darkdrgn2k:

lol

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm

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darkdrgn2k:

make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../../../../lib64/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.

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darkdrgn2k:

file does exist..

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm cant distclean

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, holy crap, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deX7R9RbmX0&am . . . feature=fvwp

[04:36:54]

darkdrgn2k:

wow

[04:36:57]

darkdrgn2k:

id hate to be on that

[04:37:06]

darkdrgn2k:

in a hurracane i gues

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wagnerrp:

youve really got to try hard to flip a monohull

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darkdrgn2k:

seriously

[04:38:13]

wagnerrp:

that looks more like some sort of ferry than cruise ship

[04:39:09]

kormoc:

nah, ferries don't have pools (top aft has a pool)

[04:39:33]

wagnerrp:

is there a pool? cant really tell from that video

[04:39:39]

wagnerrp:

i see some white blob

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kormoc:

and it has a royal Caribbean logo on the top

[04:39:58]

kormoc:

it's a pool, aye

[04:39:59]

wagnerrp:

of course tipping like that, its now an empty fiberglass pit

[04:40:01]

sphery:

I need a way to forward that link to MNV

[04:40:04]

wagnerrp:

:)

[04:40:08]

kormoc:

heh, true enough

[04:40:24]

sphery:

I love how the add YouTube gives me is for Windstar Cruises

[04:40:36]

sphery:

wrong video for selling a cruise

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darkdrgn2k:

lol

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kormoc:

Ha! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whHQaTYGAjg&feature=related

[04:44:16]

darkdrgn2k:

ok wierd its gatta be a missing package

[04:44:26]

darkdrgn2k:

i took the already-compiled coped from the backend

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darkdrgn2k:

and did a make install

[04:44:32]

darkdrgn2k:

same error

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wagnerrp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv8W4W-iJvE&feature=related

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darkdrgn2k:

ouch

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: not supporting the IPTV service my company provides is /clearly/ a bug that needs to be fixed /right now/

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gizmobay:

I get this error when I run optimize_mthdb.pl.

[05:19:52]

gizmobay:

Database schema 1265 not supported.

[05:19:54]

gizmobay:

Bindings support schema version 1264

[05:20:06]

gizmobay:

Anyone know how to fix?

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wagnerrp:

upgrade your perl bindings

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sphery:

gizmobay: you've updated your database to a post 0.24-fixes version of mythtv

[05:20:42]

sphery:

meaning you likely cloned git and forgot to checkout fixes/0.24

[05:20:42]

sphery:

?

[05:21:07]

sphery:

or if you really want to run unstable, you need to install the unstable perl bindings, too

[05:21:44]

gizmobay:

no I don't want to run unstable

[05:21:56]

gizmobay:

Don't know where I went wrong

[05:22:52]

gizmobay:

Do I have to run unstable now?

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wagnerrp:

you can revert your database to the backup made when you upgraded

[05:23:26]

xtort-:

backup, *snort*

[05:24:01]

** kormoc eyes xtort- wondering what he's snorting about **

[05:24:03]

wagnerrp:

xtort-?

[05:24:16]

sphery:

and if you just upgraded the DB--i.e. just installed this version--there should be a nice DB backup that mythbackend made for you before upgrading

[05:24:24]

kormoc:

I'm assuming he doesn't know we make the backup for the end user automatically

[05:24:29]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore for more on restoring

[05:24:30]

wagnerrp:

theres nothing to snort about, mythtv will automatically perform a backup before upgrading

[05:25:35]

sphery:

gizmobay: how did you get the mythtv you compiled?

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xtort-:

ah, that's a nice feature

[05:25:50]

sphery:

xtort-: but one you should never rely on

[05:26:16]

** sphery just upgraded his system from 0.23-fixes to 0.24-fixes and he made 2 manual backups before doing so (and the backend made a 3rd :) **

[05:26:24]

sphery:

and I'm the guy who wrote the code that backs up the DB

[05:26:28]

gizmobay:

I follwed the instructions in one of the threads

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xtort-:

heh

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sphery:

so if /I/ don't trust it

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sphery:

gizmobay: http://code.mythtv.org/trac

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sphery:

if you do git clone git://github.com/MythTV/mythtv.git , it would give you unstable by default

[05:27:08]

sphery:

if you do git clone -b fixes/0.24 git://github.com/MythTV/mythtv.git , it should give you 0.24-fixes

[05:27:30]

sphery:

but if you did the first, you can just go into the directory, make distclean, then git checkout fixes/0.24

[05:27:38]

sphery:

it's easy to forget that checkout--I almost did that last night

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lwizardl:

What is the best distro to use for newbie ? Reason why I have tried a few different installer systems and never gotten a working system

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sphery:

ah, yay, beautiful preview pixmaps

[05:28:45]

sphery:

only had to rebuild seektables for 1250-some recordings

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sphery:

and, wow, images from within the shows...

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sphery:

lwizardl: I don't know what's best, but a lot of people use Mythbuntu successfully

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sphery:

it's definitely a good one

[05:30:43]

sphery:

even if not the best

[05:30:51]

sphery:

http://mythbuntu.org/

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gizmobay:

I've had such crappy luck with git

[05:31:00]

lwizardl:

I have tried that and also the knoppix version

[05:31:14]

sphery:

linhes?

[05:31:21]

sphery:

that's also a good one

[05:31:30]

sphery:

what non-MythTV distro do you know best

[05:31:43]

lwizardl:

knoppmyth

[05:31:47]

lwizardl:

a few

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lwizardl:

Gentoo, Ubuntu,

[05:32:16]

sphery:

if you're comfortable with Ubuntu, I'd suggest mythbuntu would be a one

[05:32:28]

lwizardl:

that was the last version I tried

[05:32:39]

lwizardl:

I think it was MythBuntu 10.04

[05:33:36]

lwizardl:

I have some shows starting monday and I would rather not continue recording stuff on my ReplayTV in SD

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** wagnerrp wonders if all these other 'distros' sphery speaks of were derived from gentoo **

[05:34:06]

lwizardl:

the linhes is Knopmyth

[05:35:02]

wagnerrp:

linhes != knoppmyth

[05:35:10]

sphery:

linhes is Arch

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wagnerrp:

it just happens to be managed by the guy who formerly did knoppmyth

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sphery:

yeah

[05:35:34]

sphery:

is Arch related to Gentoo?

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lwizardl:

well when i did a google search for linhes it linked to mysettopbox

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wagnerrp:

sphery: must be, it is linux, theres only the one right?

[05:36:05]

sphery:

heh

[05:36:13]

sphery:

sure, bsd, that's how it works :)

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darkdrgn2k:

is there anyway to compile myth w/e the fe

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wagnerrp:

w/e?

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darkdrgn2k:

sorry with out

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wagnerrp:

no, why would you want to?

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darkdrgn2k:

fe has all the crazy dependencies and all i need is a backend for the clost box :-P

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** darkdrgn2k assumes **

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wagnerrp:

no, the libraries have all the crazy dependencies in them, the frontend just depends on the shared libraries

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darkdrgn2k:

*sigh*

[05:48:25]

darkdrgn2k:

why in gods name will this not compile

[05:48:30]

darkdrgn2k:

i removed all the qt libraries and re-installed them

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wagnerrp:

whats the error?

[05:48:43]

darkdrgn2k:

its qt right

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Cydd:

darkdrgn2k

[05:48:46]

Cydd:

hug me

[05:48:51]

** Cydd opens arms **

[05:49:02]

darkdrgn2k:

http://pastebin.com/h845sKWy

[05:49:08]

darkdrgn2k:

sorry qt4 right

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darkdrgn2k:

http://pastebin.com/Cb7caj8W <- -d flag make

[05:56:20]

darkdrgn2k:

any ideas

[05:59:12]

darkdrgn2k:

ok this is random...

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darkdrgn2k:

i ran qmake-qt4 (or whatever it was)

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darkdrgn2k:

and its starting to run now

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lwizardl:

also is there a way to bring up new posted videos for a few site streams, Like favorite Youtube users, etc

[06:05:59]

wagnerrp:

you can subscribe to rss feeds in mythnetvision

[06:06:08]

wagnerrp:

you can search for a phrase in mythnetvision

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lwizardl:

so using that would you be able to have a notice popup saying like youtube user TheReallWizardl (which is my account as example) posted 3 new videos since last viewing

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wagnerrp:

no

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lwizardl:

hmm ok

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kormoc:

patches welcome

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lwizardl:

if that was towards me, I have no clue on how to do that stuff

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kormoc:

and everyone else was the same sometime in the past

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lwizardl:

yeah I understand that, its just i'm not even a programmer. I've been trying to learn php for 3 years now

[06:18:59]

lwizardl:

but after I get a working myth box then who knows what would happen

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lwizardl:

:)

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lwizardl:

whats better for a mythbox Intel or AMD cpu ? or does it even matter anymore

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Beirdo:

mmmm, jazz flute

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lwizardl:

I've always liked AMD better, but someone told me Intel is best for video based systems

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wagnerrp:

someone really doesnt know what theyre talking about

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wagnerrp:

its all a matter of CPU power and video drivers

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wagnerrp:

intel has the edge in CPU power, but AMD provides more than enough

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wagnerrp:

and they both have crap video, go nvidia

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JEDIDIAH__:

intel cpus run hotter though. a potential problem for an HTPC.

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lwizardl:

ah ok then my thoughts are still the same

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wagnerrp:

they sure did in the P4 days, but is that still the case?

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JEDIDIAH__:

yup.

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lwizardl:

I have owned 4 Intel systems and the cpu's all have died in them

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JEDIDIAH__:

C2Q runs a lot hotter than an X4 or X6

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JEDIDIAH__:

same for a C2D

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lwizardl:

I still have an Amd Duron 850 system that is working strong for a when others need to use the computer

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wagnerrp:

runs a lot hotter? or consumes a lot more power?

[06:46:31]

wagnerrp:

those statements are not the same

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wagnerrp:

intel's stock coolers are pretty much junk these days

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JEDIDIAH__:

I had a fancy after market cooler on my C2Q and it didn't seem to help much.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: we still have all the command line options in mythbackend for preview generation

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wagnerrp:

should that be removed now that there is mythpreviewgen?

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laga:

ohai guys. i've set up storage groups for my mythvideo. it's complaining that it can't write on /mnt/videos – the restrictive permissions are intentional; is this going to hurt mythvideo? i've got writeable dirs for coverart etc

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jarle:

laga: so you don't want to be able to delete videos from within mythtv?

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laga:

jarle: haven't thought about that, but i guess i could live with that. i was just wondering if there was any other problem, basically

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jarle:

laga: I don't know, I just find it usefull to just press "d" to delete an episode when I have finished watching a downloaded TV-show

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jarle:

What is the best way to combine mythtv and xbmc on the frontend these days? Running both xmbc and mythfrontend, or going for an integrated solution?

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laga:

yeah, i guess i will fix the permissions. not that i would ever download tv shows ;)

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stanman246:

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russell5:

two questions. were is the best place to get the most up to date ebuild for gentoo. im looking for version .24. and is there any way to build just the front end so i dont build all the back end dependicies

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wagnerrp:

russell5: https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/tree/master/Gentoo and no, further why would you want to?

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wagnerrp:

the backend doesnt add any additional dependencies that the frontend doesnt already require

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russell5:

ahhh ok i thought the backend would have a lot more

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russell5:

i want to use my desktop to do cutlist editing and didn't need the backend

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wagnerrp:

what would the backend need that the frontend doesnt?

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wagnerrp:

tuner drivers are going to be built into the kernel

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russell5:

no idea just assumed which is my bad

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wagnerrp:

i dont remember off hand if the mythtv ebuild requires a mysql server, or just the client libs

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sceo_:

I've got audio playing back fine on my slave backend. For example, something that recorded on my frontend plays back fine. However, things that record on this slave (as well as Live TV), I get no sound. It's a PVR-350, I deleted and re-added all tuners recently, and I

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sceo_:

am on Mythbuntu 10.10 which is .23-fixes

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wagnerrp:

frontends dont record

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sceo_:

oops, sorry, I mean "things that record on my master backend"

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wagnerrp:

if you are recording from a PVR-350, and have it correctly set up as an MPEG tuner

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wagnerrp:

it should not be possible to have no sound

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wagnerrp:

since the card will handle all capture and muxing for you

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wagnerrp:

only thing i can think of would be a driver regression

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wagnerrp:

is this used as a tuner or baseband capture?

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sceo_:

I'm not sure of the question, but I think the answer is Tuner.

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wagnerrp:

are you plugging in a coaxial cable, or svideo/composite?

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sceo_:

gotcha, coax.

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wagnerrp:

then yeah, as long as youre properly configured as an MPEG Encoder, rather than V4L

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wagnerrp:

i cant think of any reason you wouldnt have audio, barring driver or hardware issues

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sceo_:

yep, it's set as IVTV MPEG2 /dev/video0

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sceo_:

using "Tuner" – and then associated with my "Standard" in input connections

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sceo_:

I checked in alsamixer and made sure that everything is up to at least 80 in capture and playback

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wagnerrp:

alsa never factors into this anywhere

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sceo_:

I WAS getting a "cant' find Mixer 1" in mythfrontend logs, so I went and changed the mixer to "software" which made that error go away, but not the problem :)

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wagnerrp:

the card does all capture and multiplexing internally

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wagnerrp:

feeding a packaged MPEG file to the system

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sceo_:

yeah, I mean – it should all be encoding on-card and shipping it to the hard drive.

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sceo_:

does pvr-350 support 48k sample rate?

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wagnerrp:

that should be the default

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sceo_:

rules that out.

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wagnerrp:

can you 'cat /dev/video0 > somefile.mpg' and see if that has audio?

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wagnerrp:

just to rule out mythtv as a cause

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sceo_:

do I need to stop frontend or backend before I do that?

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt

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sceo_:

what should I try and play the mpg with? I used vlc, which plays it very "quickly" and I don't hear any audio (but the whole 25 seconds of video goes by in < 1 second), I tried just playing with aplay and I hear static

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wagnerrp:

mythavtest, mplayer, ffplay, totem, kaffeine

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FabriceMG:

wagnerrp, my problem (mythsocket) has disappeared ! I have updated today with 0.24-fixe , odd

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wagnerrp:

FabriceMG: as mentioned, that whole issue is 'weird'

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sceo_:

wagnerrp yeah, mplayer handles it a lot better than VLC. so, same behavior. video plays fine, no audio

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wagnerrp:

we never did figure out what was the cause of it, and were never able to reproduce it locally

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wagnerrp:

only reports of it from the mailing list

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sceo_:

wagnerrp – which rules out myth as a source of the problem then... something lower-level, drivers or such?

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wagnerrp:

sceo_: no idea where to go from there

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sceo_:

thanks for your help thus far, though.

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wagnerrp:

at least thats a much easier method of diagnosing further, rather than having to run everything through mythbackend/frontend

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darkdrgn2k:

Hey, how come an HVR1600's svideo is black and white, what are the possible reasons for that

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darkdrgn2k:

i alraedy checked and mythtv-setup general is set to ntsc

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wagnerrp:

damaged color pin, too long of cable, improper use of composite<--svideo adapter

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: thank you... never throught of some of those...

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jams:

kormoc- thanks for the help with the sql. Got it working now, and in the process found a bug(hope it's a bug) that again shows why nobody should use mysql.

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wagnerrp:

jams: thats what we keep trying to tell these people

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laga:

wagnerrp: CAN I USE MYTH WITH POSTGRESQL

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: curious, what is the mysql "bug"?

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: its the one that causes people to have the itch to go tinkering around in the database, and break things

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: AAAA PEBKAC

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laga:

ah, now i get it

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laga:

i thought we were blaming mysql itself

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jams:

laga oh i am

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wagnerrp:

well jams may have found a bug in our code

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wagnerrp:

(or mysql's)

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wagnerrp:

oh

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wagnerrp:

youre saying no one should use mysql, period?

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wagnerrp:

i thought you meant no one should be using mysql manually, and should be letting the program take care of things

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laga:

it's all nosql these days. who needs a schema?

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darkdrgn2k:

go go gaget flat files?

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** wagnerrp shards on laga **

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laga:

heh

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jams:

when a query returns different result sets between runs (and the data hasn't changed) I tend to not trust the database. It's just one more item to add to the list of reasons to avoid mysql.

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wagnerrp:

anyone know their way around polymorphism in C++?

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sceo:

wagnerrp et al – I was running a 2.6.36 kernel because there was a regression in 2.6.35 which caused my e1000e on-board intel ethernet to not connect. So upp'd to 2.6.36. Of course, it seems like that one has a regression for ivtv (http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/devel/41138) – causing no audio. I reverted to 2.6.35 and ivtv/PVR-350 has audio again. Of course, I'm now limited to wifi on this slave backend... :(

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wagnerrp:

backport the ethernet driver patch to 2.6.35?

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sceo:

wagnerrp that I would love to do. But I think first I'll go see if I have a NIC downstairs in my pile :)

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wagnerrp:

what board do you have with onboard intel gigabit?

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wagnerrp:

sounds server grade

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wagnerrp:

consumer manufacturers love to put those cheap POS realtek chips on their boards

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darkdrgn2k:

um, have the INIT.D scripts removed from the repo?

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sceo:

lol pretty sure it's a POS Realtek chip :)

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sceo:

it's like a Gigabyte Titan methinks

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sceo:

The Ethernet controller is an Intel 82566DC

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sceo:

(as I think about it, they're both regressions, so I wonder if I boot 2.6.32 if they'll both work)

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adub:

If i scan in for analog channels shouldnt all the channels for basic cable come in im on cox

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt be scanning

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wagnerrp:

you should pull an analog lineup from your schedules direct account

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adub:

I found my areas qam cable layout on the mythtv wiki but there is not a lot of channels

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wagnerrp:

most cable companies to not provide a lot of channels through unencrypted QAM

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adub:

I dont have digital cable or a box just analog

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wagnerrp:

s/to not/do not/

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adub:

Wagnernp is there a way to get the encrypted channels to show up in mythtv

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darkdrgn2k:

adub: when you configure the source i think there si a checkbos to include exnrypted channels

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adub:

Oh

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wagnerrp:

the only way to currently access encrypted digital cable channels in north america is to use firewire to your cable box

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wagnerrp:

since you dont have digital cable (since you dont have a box)

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wagnerrp:

you have not subscribed to the right to access those encrypted channels

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wagnerrp:

so the conditional access system is doing exactly what it is supposed to

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adub:

Oh but the encrypted analog im fine

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wagnerrp:

there is no such thing as encrypted analog

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wagnerrp:

encryption necessitates digital

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darkdrgn2k:

adub: there is no encrypted analog

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adubz:

Oh so i have to configure myth to scan for encrypted channels

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wagnerrp:

you dont

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wagnerrp:

there is no such thing as an encrypted analog channel

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wagnerrp:

so there is no way for your analog tuner to access encrypted channels

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wagnerrp:

further, should you have a digital tuner, you do not have the necessary hardware to decrypt those encrypted channels

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wagnerrp:

so there would be nothing you could do with them

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adubz:

Sorry just trying to figure out how i would get all my channels to show up in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

nor do you have a digital cable subscription to allow you the right to access them anyway

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wagnerrp:

the ONLY way to get those channels would be to get digital cable, get a digital cable box, and either use firewire capture off the box, or an analog capture card such as a PVR-150 or HDPVR

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Methuselah:

wagnerrp: I have a enhancement for lirc, do you know who I should try to get a hold of to submit it? #lirc, no one ever responds

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wagnerrp:

!seen j-rod

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MythLogBot:

j-rod was last seen 73 days 19 hours 23 minutes 43 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

see that guy

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Methuselah:

thanks

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darkdrgn2k:

Methuselah: from what i understand hes around m-f 12–3est

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Methuselah:

ok thanks, its my first open source contribution

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: do you know where they put the init.d for the backend?

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wagnerrp:

where who what?

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: the init.d scripts to start the backend during startup

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wagnerrp:

any init scripts that were formerly in contrib are now on the wiki, if thats what youre looking for

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darkdrgn2k:

aaa thats it thank you

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adubz:

Wagnerrp i have aj analog capture tv card

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Startup_Scripts

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adubz:

So once i have the capture card what would i do beyond that to pull the encrypted channels since scanning wont work

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darkdrgn2k:

adubz: what is your desired end reslt

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wagnerrp:

you must get a cable box, you must plug the analog outputs on the cable box into your capture card, you must set up firewire or serial or IR or some other form of control to let mythtv control the cable box, and you must pull a channel lineup from your schedules direct account

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adubz:

Just to show the basic analog channels im currently getting in order to how they show on my tv

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wagnerrp:

then why are you talking about digital and encryption?

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adubz:

On my computer and be able to dvr in mythtv

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darkdrgn2k:

adubz: ok what do you CURRENTLY hve

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wagnerrp:

you do not want to scan for analog channels

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adubz:

I just remember when i scanned before i wouldnt get much

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wagnerrp:

you want to pull a channel lineup from your schedules direct account

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adubz:

Ok what do i do

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darkdrgn2k:

adubz: get an account with http://scheduledirect.org

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Methuselah:

Anyone see any documentation of sending cec codes through graphics card by hdmi? I have look around and haven't seen barely anything.

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adubz:

How do i do this sorry

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darkdrgn2k:

adubz: goto http://scheduledirect.org and get an account

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wagnerrp:

Methuselah: there is no inexpensive method at the moment

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wagnerrp:

i think some modern cards support it in hardware, but not in the linux drivers

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Methuselah:

really seems like it should be an interface on the graphics

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wagnerrp:

or, there is a device that you can hook into the HDMI cable, it does HDMI passthrough with USB for CEC

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Methuselah:

grahics card that is.

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adubz:

So this site just gives channel layout

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wagnerrp:

no, that site gives guida data

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wagnerrp:

it also gives analog channel lineups

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wagnerrp:

mythtv cant do much without guide data

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adubz:

For my area

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wagnerrp:

with guide data, you tell it to record a named show or series

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adubz:

Or i guess any area

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wagnerrp:

without guide data, you tell it to record between certain times... and you may as well just use a VCR at that point

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wagnerrp:

schedules direct services all of north america

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darkdrgn2k:

adubz: it ALSO gives the channel listings (whats on)

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adub:

Could i share an acct

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darkdrgn2k:

adub: REALLY bad idea to even ASK that here

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darkdrgn2k:

adub: its 20 bucks a YEAR

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adub:

Lol

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adub:

Ok im kidding

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wagnerrp:

no, accounts are for single individuals, non-commercial only

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Methuselah:

I wonder if nvidia/ati haven't developed the drivers/interface for it. Surely they must have the hardware ability.

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wagnerrp:

it used to be free, but that got taken away because people couldnt handle it

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darkdrgn2k:

Methuselah: curious, what the need for it?

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wagnerrp:

now its $20/yr

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adub:

So the data is it a file you load into myth

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darkdrgn2k:

adub: myth will automatically load the datafiles for you

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wagnerrp:

the data is a service that mythtv connects to to download the data

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Methuselah:

i wouldn't have to have usb cables!

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wagnerrp:

it will pull guide data roughly once per day

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wagnerrp:

and will provide two weeks of data

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adub:

Oh gotcha so this is a cheaper solution to tivo

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wagnerrp:

if you want something free to use while youre trying to get mythtv working

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wagnerrp:

they have a 7-day free trial

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darkdrgn2k:

adub: you kind a need it for scheduling anyway

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wagnerrp:

plus the 2-weeks of data

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wagnerrp:

so you have 3-weeks of guide data for free

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darkdrgn2k:

yuo can also buy 2 months for 5 bucks

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adub:

Wouldnt there be a way to manually do all this or script the guide data from say tv guide

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Methuselah:

One hdmi/ dp cable is all you should need to control your tv. And the factory tv remote.

[17:46:59]

darkdrgn2k:

Methuselah: control how?

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wagnerrp:

adub: then you would have to pay gemstar to license their data

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wagnerrp:

their site's TOS does not allow you to run page scrapers on it

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wagnerrp:

nor do they provide any free API you can hit for data

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adub:

Anyone have a good link to media center ideas i already have a bluray drive

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darkdrgn2k:

adub: bascially its illigal... and unstable

[17:48:10]

wagnerrp:

and yes, there is the instability factor, since any changes on the site would be unnoticeable to users but would break the scraper

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adub:

Ok so schedules direct is the best solution for mythtv

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Methuselah:

controled by your computer( cec codes are passed between the tv and "graphics card" ) its basically an i2c interface. So you could in theory control your tv from a keyboard in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

for north america, absolutely

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adub:

Just learning thanks for tue insight

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darkdrgn2k:

adub: asside from EIT its the ONLY soltion

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wagnerrp:

and for analog TV and digital cable, EIT is not a solution at all

[17:49:53]

wagnerrp:

for digital broadcasts, its a bad one

[17:49:54]

Methuselah:

example ( you can't turn tv volume up by mythtv without lirc transmitter)

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adub:

Sweet so digital if i got a sub

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: sorry... your right..

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darkdrgn2k:

adub: there is no REAL "DIGITA" unless you get a firewire...

[17:50:37]

wagnerrp:

EIT data is not going to provide more than a couple hours of future data in north america

[17:50:51]

wagnerrp:

if you get a digital tuner, you can pick up the unencrypted digital channels

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: bell has like 2 weeks

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wagnerrp:

of which you will at least get the local broadcast channels

[17:51:10]

wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: really? thats a rarity

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: but they have 0 unecnrypted channels

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wagnerrp:

adub: silicondust maintains a list of what digital channels you can find in a given area

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darkdrgn2k:

maybe its a week but

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darkdrgn2k:

its suprisingly lengthy

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, firewire will allow you to capture encrypted channels that are marked 'copy freely'

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adub:

So just stay with the analog setup

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wagnerrp:

which may be everything, or it may be nothing

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wagnerrp:

if you want 'copy once' and 'copy never' encrypted digital content, the only option is analog capture off the cable box

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adub:

With schedules direct tho

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: in canada everythign is "copy never"

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wagnerrp:

schedules direct is just guide data

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wagnerrp:

guide data for broadcast, analog cable, digital cable, satellite, iptv, whatever

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darkdrgn2k:

adub: its not enough to be able to record, you need to knwo WHAT, WHERE and WHEN to record.. thast where scheduleriect comes it

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wagnerrp:

for analog channels, and capture off a cable box, you can also pull channel lineups from them

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adub:

So my channels in myth will align properly

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adub:

So myth will pull proper channel alignment and i can display the on screen guide using the site

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darkdrgn2k:

adub: what site?

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adub:

Schedules direct

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darkdrgn2k:

adub: OH sorry, yeh

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darkdrgn2k:

adub: the site feeds MYTH the chanel alignment and what is on each channel

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darkdrgn2k:

adub: then myth allows you to use the onscreen guide,

[17:59:16]

darkdrgn2k:

adub: as well as intelegently schedule recordings

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adub:

Nice now is there a way to get a remote that is universal to myth

[17:59:58]

darkdrgn2k:

adub: no such thing as universal to mytgh

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adub:

I have an old ass card but no remote

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darkdrgn2k:

personaly i like the Microsoft MCE USB devices..

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darkdrgn2k:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 03-_-Product <-

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adub:

I have an old analog tv card could i also use that in conjunction with an ota antenna to pulled dowj digitals in my myth setup

[18:02:15]

darkdrgn2k:

adub: no, not digita

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darkdrgn2k:

adub: you need a digital ATSC tuner (like the happauge 1600 or similar)

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adub:

Oh

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wagnerrp:

you had to buy a new tv, or at least external tuner, for digital OTA, why would tuner cards be any different?

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: well to his credit the OTA antennas didnt change much :-P

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adub:

I guess ill build a dedicated box for this and jsut see where it goes

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wagnerrp:

s/much/at all/

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adub:

Is there any good compact ideas for muth boxes on the www

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wagnerrp:

muth?

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: well no more VHF just UHF iirc for digital

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darkdrgn2k:

adub: depends if you want HD or not..

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: pretty sure most of the broadcasters around here are on VHF

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: hmmm idont know.. i maybe wrong... regardless i dont think you can FIND a vhf only antenna anyway

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darkdrgn2k:

do you need to share out the livetv folder on the slave?

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: only if you want other machines to be able to transcode those recordings

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darkdrgn2k:

ok.. so not to watch

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

not to watch

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wagnerrp:

you may need to to watch over upnp... dont know about that one

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darkdrgn2k:

you can wath live tv over upnp???

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: VHF only antenna... http://www.antennasdirect.com/store/V4_antenna.html

[18:09:11]

wagnerrp:

no, but you can watch recordings over upnp

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wagnerrp:

and 'livetv' is just a recording in a different group

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darkdrgn2k:

"One potential problem with re-using low VHF (2–6) TV channels for DTV is the possibility of interference from other signals during certain times of the year." <- maybe thats it and i was mistaken...

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darkdrgn2k:

but apperently you can run it over vhf..

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wagnerrp:

i thought VHF ran to 13

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darkdrgn2k:

ok this is wierd

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darkdrgn2k:

i cant tune to LIVETV on the new slave

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darkdrgn2k:

recordings SEEM to work

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Cydd:

m

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Cydd:

('')O_O('')

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darkdrgn2k:

thats wierd. how come i still see the ird changing channels after i already changed them

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darkdrgn2k:

ie i change a channel, it "locks.." then i see it actualy sending the numbers

[18:39:02]

darkdrgn2k:

it takes 4 seconds to "tune" and another 3 to show the actual numbesr being sent in the recording

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darkdrgn2k:

even though i added a sleep 6 at the end of the tunning prog

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darkdrgn2k:

what storage group do recordings go to?

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wagnerrp:

Default, unless otherwise specified

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darkdrgn2k:

and Default is per box not

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darkdrgn2k:

ok this is driving me nutz

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darkdrgn2k:

http://pastebin.com/QTeez2qX

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darkdrgn2k:

see anything wrong in these logs?

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darkdrgn2k:

mythtv error message is "Error opening jump program file buffer"

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darkdrgn2k:

(more<-http://pastebin.com/1eQYV7qv)

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Methuselah:

I've been waiting for this for six months Zacate is finally out. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . ;Tpk=E35M1-M

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wagnerrp:

but... what processor is it?

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kormoc:

Oh nice so you get a choice between a 'low power' intel or amd worthless platform... whee!

[19:00:43]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, e-250

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kormoc:

erm e-350

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-Zacate-E35 . . . nce-Preview/

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wagnerrp:

so 1.5 core, 1.6GHz

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kormoc:

it's pretty much a atom

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kormoc:

and even more worthless as no VDPAU support

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wagnerrp:

so in other words... better to significantly better than an Atom

[19:03:43]

wagnerrp:

but still woefully underpowered for mythtv

[19:03:52]

wagnerrp:

and with garbage (for linux) graphics

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wagnerrp:

awesome

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, according to their benchmarks, atom matches or beats it pretty much all the time

[19:04:45]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: im seeing the opposite

[19:05:05]

wagnerrp:

erm... nevermind, mixing up the atom and the turion

[19:05:11]

wagnerrp:

they changed colors and orders halfway through

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kormoc:

yeah, pretty bad graphs

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Methuselah:

At 18w nothing is comparible.

[19:06:11]

kormoc:

according to that it'll actually idle low

[19:06:26]

Methuselah:

Atom sucks with graphics period

[19:06:28]

kormoc:

Methuselah, my mac mini's average draw as a MBE and frontend is 16 watts

[19:06:31]

wagnerrp:

still, the only thing i see the Atom winning for is the PCMark productivity synthetics, and quakewars (iD has always favored nvidia)

[19:06:38]

kormoc:

Methuselah, that's a full blooded core2duo with 4 gigs of ram

[19:06:52]

kormoc:

Methuselah, and proper idle power management.

[19:07:06]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, h264 encoding, lame encoding

[19:07:33]

Methuselah:

yeah but thats not rated tdp

[19:07:44]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: zacate wins on both accounts

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kormoc:

Methuselah, no, it's higher then rated

[19:07:48]

Methuselah:

zacate only really draws about 8 or 9 wats

[19:08:21]

wagnerrp:

well... faster first past, slower second pass

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, first pass goes to atom, second to zacate, http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-Zacate-E35 . . . view/?page=3

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sphery:

wagnerrp: good question... It probably makes sense to remove the preview gen options from mythbackend, and, instead, make it so that mythpreview gen can handle all the possible combinations

[19:08:26]

wagnerrp:

that doesnt make a whole lot of sense

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kormoc:

Methuselah, that's not what the review shows. 31 watts under usage, 11 idle, http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-Zacate-E35 . . . view/?page=8

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: thats fps, higher score == better

[19:09:10]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, yes, and?

[19:09:26]

wagnerrp:

first pass goes to zacate, second to atom

[19:09:31]

wagnerrp:

you said it backwards

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, no, zacate first pass is 3.17 fps, atom is 3.4

[19:09:49]

wagnerrp:

and the zacate beats the crap out of the atom for LAME

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Methuselah:

thats engineering sample you need to look at new review

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wagnerrp:

first pass is blue, second is yellow

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, whoops

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, and you're right, misread the lame

[19:10:27]

kormoc:

Methuselah, link away

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wagnerrp:

lets just say all around confusing graphs

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kormoc:

Methuselah, still, without being able to use any of the GPU for linux, it's still pretty worthless as a frontend

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sphery:

and not appropriate for mythfrontend (and not really even for mythbackend--assuming you're doing MySQL server on the same host as mythbackend)

[19:11:15]

wagnerrp:

even if you get opengl working perfectly, you still have to do all decoding in software

[19:11:25]

wagnerrp:

and a 1.6GHz anything simply isnt up to the task

[19:12:12]

wagnerrp:

heh... it certainly does have an idle

[19:12:27]

wagnerrp:

i like how the N270 has almost no change in consumtion from idle to full load

[19:12:31]

Methuselah:

Well, I'll let you guys know when i get one. Plus at some point , I am sure mythtv will work with uvd.

[19:12:48]

wagnerrp:

s/uvd/VAAPI

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sphery:

heh

[19:13:00]

wagnerrp:

and mythtv will work with VAAPI when AMD fixes their drivers

[19:13:04]

sphery:

the question is will the ati proprietary drivers work with VAAPI

[19:13:14]

wagnerrp:

until then, our video guy refuses to continue development on support

[19:13:16]

Methuselah:

well they got vsynch working finallly

[19:13:24]

sphery:

and if they do, will it be before AMD drops support for that GPU in their proprietary drivers

[19:13:27]

wagnerrp:

claims its just too unstable to be worth his time

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darkdrgn2k:

ok tuning apps.. how do i get it NOT to record the ird's actualy channel change?

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sphery:

since AMD drops support for GPUs in their GNU/Linux drivers after a /very/ short period

[19:14:29]

wagnerrp:

sphery: ive got the modular server library running, and a basic mythfileserver

[19:14:33]

sphery:

(that said, I love AMD CPUs and GPUs and buy them for all my systems--except mythtv systems)

[19:14:42]

sphery:

wagnerrp: cool

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sphery:

been thinking about breaking up mythbackend's scheduler and recorder

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kormoc:

I like how a guy is telling three guys with netmasks of mythtv/developer that mythtv will support ATI and VAAPI someday

[19:15:19]

sphery:

since so many people are doing stupid tunerless configurations for mbes

[19:15:27]

wagnerrp:

(except i dont have the actual file server stuff active yet... just have the basic stats queries for now)

[19:15:50]

sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, well, it's better than current... and will be quite useful for me

[19:15:55]

wagnerrp:

still have some cleanup, and reference counting

[19:16:03]

sphery:

I have all my mythvideo content on my frontend machine and don't run a backend on it

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wagnerrp:

sphery: oh certainly

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sphery:

so it will be nice to be able to switch to non-local distribution for that stuff

[19:17:07]

wagnerrp:

using 31MB for the executable... seems awfully high

[19:17:15]

Methuselah:

GPU and CPU are going on one chip. So nvidia +intel is not going to work in the future.

[19:17:28]

wagnerrp:

Methuselah: says who?

[19:17:43]

Methuselah:

says sandybridge , fusion,

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sphery:

sandybridge is a joke

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wagnerrp:

integrated GPU will never compete with a discrete chip in anything but the low power market

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Methuselah:

yes , but llano will be out

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sphery:

fusion is nice, but it will still support discrete video

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sphery:

and it's not zacate and llano, now

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sphery:

it's e-series, c-series, and a-series...

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wagnerrp:

and a chip manufacturer would shoot themselves in the foot to not allow discrete video

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Methuselah:

Yeah but cheapness

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wagnerrp:

you lose out on the gamer and professional market

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wagnerrp:

where the huge margins are

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Methuselah:

50 dollars for a computer

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sphery:

Methuselah: not a lot that we can do, though, when the vendor doesn't support the hardware well enough on our platform

[19:19:29]

sphery:

i.e. you need good OpenGL and--with that processor--will need GPU video decode offload

[19:19:52]

sphery:

so until AMD comes through (and it seems that they have no interest in doing so--reference their lack of response to VDPAU)...

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sphery:

how long ago did nvidia first release vdpau? 3 years, now?

[19:20:30]

wagnerrp:

sphery: come now, they advertised XvBA a full year before anyone knew anything about VDPAU

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sphery:

and it's not lack of capability in the chips or lack of competence in the driver developers--it's just not their focus

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kormoc:

Methuselah, nvidia has agreed to with with intel to integrate nvidia gpus into their cpu's in the future. That combo will be extremely useful

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darkdrgn2k:

ARG why cant i change channels on my backend slave :(

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wagnerrp:

(except it took another year and a half after VDPAU was released before XvBA was accessible through VAAPI)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: oh, yeah, and our Vapor-decode API should be ready when?

[19:21:20]

wagnerrp:

and its still not reliably usable

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sphery:

darkdrgn2k: because you need a newer 0.24-fixes?

[19:21:51]

Methuselah:

Well they had to fix there tearfree stuff first

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Methuselah:

Now thats done

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sphery:

there were a lot of very important live tv fixes in the last week or 2

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wagnerrp:

no, they need to fix the drivers

[19:22:03]

wagnerrp:

they are unstable

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sphery:

and they still don't have any 64-bit drivers, right?

[19:22:17]

Methuselah:

For what video games?

[19:22:23]

wagnerrp:

for VAAPI

[19:22:25]

kormoc:

Methuselah, for linux video support

[19:22:37]

kormoc:

Methuselah, when watching a video hardlocks the machine every few minutes...

[19:22:49]

wagnerrp:

the guy who rewrite our whole video output and OSD library says theyre simply not ready for use

[19:23:24]

sphery:

Methuselah: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/460082#460082

[19:23:46]

kormoc:

Methuselah, there is nothing in the sandybridge chipset that restricts you from using a discrete gpu. You can disable the onboard or use it and a discrete gpu together for dual outputs

[19:23:50]

sphery:

(easy to find... search terms, "ati joke")

[19:24:20]

sphery:

kormoc: and on "proper" platforms, you'll be able to do hybrid graphics, too

[19:24:28]

kormoc:

indeed

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wagnerrp:

proper?

[19:24:35]

sphery:

proper = platforms not designed by thieves

[19:24:50]

sphery:

such as Windows

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wagnerrp:

oh

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sphery:

non-proper platforms would be leenux and beastie

[19:25:14]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, the whole macbook pro gpu switching is planned for standard intel platforms

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sphery:

wow, amd's driver download page is almost as bad as their GNU/Linux GPU drivers

[19:27:25]

sphery:

seems they just sent me to a "seach the knowledge base for information about drivers" section...

[19:27:59]

Methuselah:

Well another nice thing about amd gpu's is they have the best opensource drivers compared to intel, or nvidia.

[19:28:08]

kormoc:

Methuselah, that's not true at all

[19:28:25]

Methuselah:

they are getting better faster than the propertary ones are.

[19:28:28]

sphery:

Methuselah: definitely great FOSS drivers--which is why I use them on all my systems, except the ones for which they're not appropriate

[19:28:35]

kormoc:

Methuselah, intel's are actually fully open source, no binary blob, so they win in terms of true freedom

[19:28:36]

sphery:

i.e except mythtv frontend systems

[19:28:53]

Methuselah:

yeah that what i meant FOSS drivers

[19:29:13]

sphery:

kormoc: he's talking about radeon drivers, not fglrx

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kormoc:

Methuselah, and they don't support opengl nor hardware decoding on the hardware

[19:29:23]

kormoc:

ahh

[19:29:35]

sphery:

but the radeon drivers are wonderful 2D GPUs

[19:29:39]

kormoc:

Methuselah, radeon doesn't support full opengl v2 nor hardware decoding on the card

[19:29:59]

kormoc:

sure, it's getting better by leaps and bounds but it's so far behind it'll take forever to catch up

[19:30:01]

sphery:

yeah, they have a way to go

[19:30:10]

sphery:

but they are good--for certain workloads

[19:30:26]

sphery:

i.e. integrated AMD GPUs on all my headless systems are wonderful

[19:30:29]

Methuselah:

the radeon drivers are getting better quickly. The gallium 3d is starting to look good.

[19:30:44]

sphery:

(and I do use it on my desktop and laptop systems, too)

[19:30:50]

sphery:

just not my mythfrontend systems

[19:31:35]

kormoc:

Methuselah, but no where near spec complete, so your experience varies wildly with the features the code uses

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sphery:

they do make good 2D cards, though

[19:32:00]

sphery:

and low power usage

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kormoc:

Yeah, I'm not saying they're worthless for everything, but they have their place and it's not with video/opengl apps (right now or anytime soon)

[19:32:29]

Methuselah:

They get better with age!

[19:32:36]

sphery:

agreed

[19:32:50]

kormoc:

Methuselah, sure, but you don't buy them now for usage now

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Methuselah:

kormoc, Very true.

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sphery:

wow, so AMD does have x86_64 GNU/Linux drivers now

[19:37:50]

sphery:

about time

[19:38:09]

Methuselah:

what they have had them for 2 years at least.

[19:38:41]

Methuselah:

Ever since I have been using linux about 2–3 years.

[19:38:51]

sphery:

they had a package that they claimed was x86_64, but it was actually a x86_32 package and relied on multilib distros

[19:39:12]

sphery:

I know because my system isn't multilib and it wouldn't work since it lacked the 32-bit libs they linked

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Methuselah:

Let me tell you they had shitty drivers 2 years ago, alot better know for the stuff i do.

[19:40:05]

sphery:

this was probably around 2 years ago when I actually tried using them

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Methuselah:

Have you guys had anyone wanting to port myth to arm? For tegra perhaps?

[19:41:50]

sphery:

It seems I looked at them in Nov 2009, and they were still 32-bit

[19:42:03]

sphery:

(or multilib, I should say)

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wagnerrp:

Methuselah: mythtv already runs on ARM

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sphery:

so it's new as of about a year or so

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wagnerrp:

but you need support for whatever video decoder you are using

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wagnerrp:

since the ARM doesnt have the power to do it on its own

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sphery:

anyway, good to see they're finally supporting 64-bit--since they quit selling 32-bit CPUs years ago

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Methuselah:

Maybe thats one of the problems why they were so crappy I didn't know they weren't 64 bit back then.

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Methuselah:

I would think tegra or possibly omap might be the only two gpu's for arm that have power to support video.

[19:46:38]

wagnerrp:

graphical power doesnt matter (much)

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wagnerrp:

we need video decoder ASICs

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wagnerrp:

and we need drivers with public APIs to access them

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Methuselah:

Well nvidia makes tegra does that have a video decoder?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if they have drivers available for consumers

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Methuselah:

one suitable for some decent myth playback?

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wagnerrp:

i dont even know if there is a consumer purchasable tegra board

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wagnerrp:

or if you have to buy some other device, and hack it to get access to linux

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Methuselah:

I think you will start seeing them in tablets in the next few months.

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Methuselah:

3–6 months, I don't think people will buy a tegra motherboard, at least for another year.

[19:50:54]

Methuselah:

When arm releases A15, something capable of small desktop use.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: need a bit of Qt advise

[20:11:02]

wagnerrp:

im making a command that returns a QList of objects

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wagnerrp:

im making a 'new' one, and returning a pointer

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wagnerrp:

if i want to guarantee that gets terminated properly, can i 'deleteLater()' that?

[20:12:12]

wagnerrp:

or does that get handled by a separate thread that could destroy the list before im done with it?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... Maybe I'm missing something, but why would the "TunerStatus" class have an "isRecording" attribute if it only returns the list of tuners that *are* recording...

[20:17:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

I'm trying to modify my mythlcdserver to have a 'tuner status' page that shows me all my tuners at once... but it doesn't look like I can get a list of all of the tuners without doing a DB query...

[20:17:51]

wagnerrp:

because the class is used elsewhere, where all tuners are listed?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: do you happen to know where off the top of your head?

[20:18:35]

wagnerrp:

nope

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** wagnerrp has avoided the tuner code so far **

[20:20:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

I've been searching the "MythTV Arcitechure" pages, but not finding what I'm looking for... humm...

[20:21:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

ie: generated by doxygen...

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Methuselah:

hmm, I think this is new ati FOSS drivers now support X-Video( thats -xv correct?).http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTA3Nw

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wagnerrp:

no one likes Xv

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wagnerrp:

Xv is tolerable, OpenGL is preferred

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Methuselah:

ah, i see, they don't support opengl yet correct?

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wagnerrp:

the fglrx drivers are simply not reliable, for xv or opengl

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wagnerrp:

im not aware of the state of the FOSS ones

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kormoc:

the FOSS ones are just feature incomplete with the opengl spec so it works great until you make a unsupported call and *boom*

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kormoc:

which is all the harder with people running a slew of different driver revisions

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wagnerrp:

sphery: im going to post what i have to a new branch some time today, if you wanted to start looking around it

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wagnerrp:

about 1200 lines so far, plug another 600 for the new application

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sphery:

wagnerrp: You'd have to wait--deleteLater() is handled by the Qt event thread, so it could occur before you're done. You have a couple of options--either specify in the public contract for the function that the user should delete the QList or, instead of new'ing it yourself, have the caller pass in a QList*

[21:11:25]

sphery:

public contract meaning, "document that it must be done, and hope for the best"

[21:11:37]

wagnerrp:

yeah, im thinking thats the better option

[21:12:14]

sphery:

and that one is the only one that works if you meant you're new'ing the objects in the list

[21:12:37]

wagnerrp:

no, the objects in the list are just references

[21:12:42]

wagnerrp:

the list itself is what is new

[21:12:55]

sphery:

yeah, so you have a couple options

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wagnerrp:

basically, return a list of all handlers registered for a connection

[21:13:22]

wagnerrp:

im supporting repeat announce

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sphery:

cool

[21:13:45]

wagnerrp:

so a client could announce itself as a slave backand and as a jobqueue

[21:13:54]

sphery:

that's good

[21:14:04]

sphery:

though I hope that we'll split out those functions sooner rather than later :)

[21:14:22]

wagnerrp:

well thats just an example

[21:14:39]

wagnerrp:

this is supposed to allow backend plugins

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wagnerrp:

so each plugin could have its own announce

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sphery:

yeah, I'm not saying it's bad to allow it--only that I really want to split up mbe soon

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wagnerrp:

basically, ive got two types of handlers

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wagnerrp:

one set to handler queries from the client, another to allow the server to query the client outside of the backend message system

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justinh:

oh well. goodbye old concept theme

[21:18:33]

wagnerrp:

the first type are just tried sequentially when a query is received, until someone claims it

[21:19:10]

wagnerrp:

the second type is registered on announce, and are what this command is going to return a list of

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justinh:

grr been away from this lark too long

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darkdrgn2k:

hey stupid question

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darkdrgn2k:

why wuold a calbe work frin on a 10/100 switch but show no-link ona 10/100/1000 switch?

[21:30:19]

justinh:

missing 4 conductors somewhere?

[21:30:47]

darkdrgn2k:

4643 packets transmitted, 4451 received, 4% packet loss, time 4187ms :(

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wagnerrp:

looks like it works for me, just near the limits of stability

[21:31:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

darkdrgn2k: is it a Cat5e or Cat6 cable?

[21:31:33]

darkdrgn2k:

5e

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darkdrgn2k:

and thats on a 100 connection

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wagnerrp:

oh, if youre already getting packet loss on 10/100 network, theres almost no chance of using gigabit

[21:32:11]

darkdrgn2k:

yeh.. i thikn i need to re-run the cable :-s

[21:32:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

darkdrgn2k: It's probably crimped wrong.

[21:32:23]

darkdrgn2k:

re-crimped it 2ce already

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wagnerrp:

yeah, recrimp it on both ends

[21:32:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

1–2 3–6 4–5 7–8

[21:32:44]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: most gigabit gear does auto-crossover

[21:33:05]

darkdrgn2k:

BbGgBbOo

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darkdrgn2k:

sorry backwards

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wagnerrp:

no... thats very much wrong

[21:33:36]

wagnerrp:

forwards or backwards

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darkdrgn2k:

(o)(O)(b)(B)(g)(G)(br)(BR)

[21:33:40]

wagnerrp:

still wrong

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: right, but if he did it straight – ie: 1–2 3–4 5–6 7–8 – 100Mbps might 'tolerate' it, but gigabit won't

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darkdrgn2k:

raelly?

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wagnerrp:

really

[21:34:08]

darkdrgn2k:

so its sopposed to be

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darkdrgn2k:

gGoBbO(br)(BR)

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wagnerrp:

GgObBoBrbr

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justinh:

yeah don't get the pairs mixed up ;-)

[21:34:50]

wagnerrp:

i may have my solids and stripes flipped

[21:34:56]

wagnerrp:

dont remember which you start with

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darkdrgn2k:

*sigh* was looking at the wrong side of the diagram

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darkdrgn2k:

LOL

[21:35:10]

darkdrgn2k:

iwas using the crossover side LOL

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justinh:

I dunno how many cables I've crimped & I still have to look up how to do it

[21:35:31]

darkdrgn2k:

LOL

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J-e-f-f-A:

darkdrgn2k: http://www.incentre.net/content/view/75/2/

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wagnerrp:

ive crimped at least 100 ends

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wagnerrp:

(had to buy a second bag)

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darkdrgn2k:

i printed it and stuck it at the back of my tester :-P but i had it upside down :(

[21:36:12]

wagnerrp:

even upside down, its still wrong

[21:36:21]

wagnerrp:

you never wire it up linearly

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justinh:

<3 my cable tester

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darkdrgn2k:

ahh yeh i have the BASIC THEORY printer... i used the right side by accident

[21:36:48]

justinh:

only half the pairs should be adjecent to one another

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justinh:

IIRC

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darkdrgn2k:

"do not run parallel with power cables" i thoguth you COULD run them paralle just not cross them at anythign other then 90 degrease.

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justinh:

heh no

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justinh:

and it'd be more like "do not, if you can possibly avoid it"

[21:38:19]

wagnerrp:

the twisting certainly helps... but no sense tempting fate

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darkdrgn2k:

@#%#$#@ wtf does the power button on the remote shut down the dam computer!

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justinh:

heh

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wagnerrp:

because... its the power button?

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justinh:

darkdrgn2k: some people would pay good money to have that work out of the box :D

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darkdrgn2k:

it NEVER doen that before untill i upgraded...

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darkdrgn2k:

!!!this is my master backend!!!

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wagnerrp:

heh, whoops

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darkdrgn2k:

AND i dont have a power configured anywhere that i know of

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wagnerrp:

you have a remote on your MBE?

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** justinh sniggers **

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darkdrgn2k:

yeh it was my ONLY pc at one point...

[21:40:15]

darkdrgn2k:

and the dam LOGITEC HARMONY hits power when switching devices

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wagnerrp:

only if you tell it to

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wagnerrp:

mine know that my SBE never turns off

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darkdrgn2k:

iirc i NEVER told it to

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wagnerrp:

you have to tell it not to

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darkdrgn2k:

[root@mythTV mythuser]# cat .lircrc | grep power

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darkdrgn2k:

[root@mythTV mythuser]#

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darkdrgn2k:

how do i tell it not to lOl

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wagnerrp:

in the harmony setup

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justinh:

hahaha see you next week

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darkdrgn2k:

what should it matter if i never DEFINED teh pwioer button

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wagnerrp:

because its not mythtv doing it

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J-e-f-f-A:

darkdrgn2k: sure, you could have named it Power or TVPower, or ??? — you didn't do a case-insensitive search either — add "-i" to your grep

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wagnerrp:

so your ~/.mythtv/lircrc is not the problem

[21:43:24]

wagnerrp:

sounds like some system event handler picking up HID codes

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J-e-f-f-A:

^yeah, that's more likely.

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm...

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darkdrgn2k:

dam hid

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justinh:

alias poweroff ;-)

[21:43:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

darkdrgn2k: look at your lircrc file

[21:44:18]

darkdrgn2k:

J-e-f-f-A: only have a .lircrc file and no power defined

[21:44:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

er... lircd.conf file ... duh.

[21:44:44]

darkdrgn2k:

J-e-f-f-A: what am i looking for?

[21:44:45]

wagnerrp:

are C++ constructors and destructors not inheritable?

[21:44:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

oh, if it's HID, then it may not be defined in there...

[21:46:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

darkdrgn2k: There may be something in the "Power Management Preferences" for your distribution then... I don't know beyond that.

[21:52:34]

kormoc:

wowzers

[21:52:39]

kormoc:

I just got a chrome laptop in the mail

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: How'd you swing that? ;-)

[21:53:25]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, no idea actually

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wagnerrp:

completely unexpected?

[21:55:27]

wagnerrp:

maybe something to do with the googletv stuff?

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kormoc:

they had a contest, I don't remember entering as I'm pretty happy with my macbook

[21:57:07]

kormoc:

I'm also a hotpot power user and they said to expect swag from that, so perhaps this is from that

[21:57:29]

wagnerrp:

hotpot?

[21:57:35]

kormoc:

hotpot.google.com

[21:58:08]

wagnerrp:

ah

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wagnerrp:

some impressive swag for some ratings

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

I wouldn't put it past them to see that I got a gtv for being a FLOSS developer and push it though as a good idea

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darkdrgn2k:

loko at that.. recrimped properly and got gigabit :)

[22:09:07]

darkdrgn2k:

thankyo

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wagnerrp:

i gave you a vtable you damned dirty linker

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J-e-f-f-A:

darkdrgn2k: good news. ;-)

[22:11:14]

darkdrgn2k:

J-e-f-f-A: now to figure out why live tv wont change channels

[22:11:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

darkdrgn2k: who cares about live tv? ;-) Hehehehehehe...

[22:11:45]

darkdrgn2k:

J-e-f-f-A: LOL its a "nice to have"

[22:12:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

darkdrgn2k: It's "Tuner and Channel Change Script TEST MODE" for me... ;-)

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darkdrgn2k:

J-e-f-f-A: LOL problem is the changescript works fine.. myth just *kraps out

[22:13:11]

darkdrgn2k:

oh, when it comes to change scripts, how do you make it not record the actualy chaging of the channel

[22:13:25]

darkdrgn2k:

i tried adding a sleep 10 to the end of the script but that didnt even work

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J-e-f-f-A:

darkdrgn2k: You may need to add a command to exit from the OSD – I have one in my script. Are you using firewire or ir?

[22:14:49]

darkdrgn2k:

ir

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J-e-f-f-A:

darkdrgn2k: ok, use your remote to 'manually' change channels, then try to figure out what button will cancel the OSD quickly (maybe a 'back' button?)

[22:15:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

or 'exit'...

[22:16:06]

darkdrgn2k:

J-e-f-f-A: yeh i already did that

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darkdrgn2k:

J-e-f-f-A: but when myth is changin channels screen goes black for "locking" then i see 2 0 0 channel change

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J-e-f-f-A:

darkdrgn2k: and yet the OSD stays on the screen? ^ sounds like you're running your script non-waited..

[22:17:48]

darkdrgn2k:

the ird's osd disaplears

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darkdrgn2k:

i mean.. you change the channel in myth

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darkdrgn2k:

myth goes black for "locking" ... then it locks

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darkdrgn2k:

screen comes back ird's OSD shows 2 0 0

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darkdrgn2k:

ird tunes new channel apears

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darkdrgn2k:

osd disapears

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J-e-f-f-A:

darkdrgn2k: I dunno – maybe reduce the inter-digit delay so it tunes quicker?

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darkdrgn2k:

J-e-f-f-A: i did that .. i thought adding a sleep 5 to the end of the tuning script would fix the delay but doesnt seem to do anything

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darkdrgn2k:

meh its a nussens

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J-e-f-f-A:

darkdrgn2k: I dunno then – I thought Myth usually waited for the channel-change script to complete before starting recording.

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darkdrgn2k:

thats what i thoguht too

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kormoc:

it does

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darkdrgn2k:

kormoc: then why is it when i added sleep 10 to the end of my script.. it didnt seem to do anything

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J-e-f-f-A:

Maybe you put an "&" at the end of the command, causing it to not wait?

[22:24:04]

darkdrgn2k:

no

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darkdrgn2k:

just

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darkdrgn2k:

sleep 10

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kormoc:

darkdrgn2k, no, in the command in mythtv-setup, does it end with a & there?

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J-e-f-f-A:

darkdrgn2k: not the script itself, but the channel-change command within the setup...

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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darkdrgn2k:

aaaa

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darkdrgn2k:

dont think so....

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darkdrgn2k:

ill check

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kormoc:

and it also depends on the recorder. Some (DVB, HDPVR) use signal detection

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darkdrgn2k:

kormoc: the HDPVR when changin channels bails...

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TSCHAKeee:

where does mythtv-setup get its path to find configuration files?

[22:29:12]

kormoc:

TSCHAKeee, Our reputation for expecting people to follow community convention?

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wagnerrp:

TSCHAKeee: what 'configuration files' are you talking about

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darkdrgn2k:

TSCHAKeee: most of them are in the database...

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TSCHAKeee:

mysql.txt for example

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wagnerrp:

the only real file mythtv uses is the 'config.xml' to tell it where to access the database

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wagnerrp:

that is generated by mythtv-setup

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TSCHAKeee:

i have a situation where mythtv-setup is looking for stuff in /root/.mythtv

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kormoc:

TSCHAKeee, doesn't exist anymore, but $HOME/.mythtv/ is where we keep config.xml

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mianos:

~/.xbmc

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mianos:

for stuff

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TSCHAKeee:

and we need it to go to /etc/mythtv/*

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TSCHAKeee:

okay

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mianos:

joystickrc

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wagnerrp:

TSCHAKeee: then you need to change HOME in the environment to point it there

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wagnerrp:

mianos: are you having problems over there?

[22:30:43]

wagnerrp:

seems to be randomly spouting nonsense

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kormoc:

TSCHAKeee, you can use a env var for the config directory. That's better to use

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mianos:

oops i mean .mythtv

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mianos:

lots in there

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kormoc:

TSCHAKeee, export MYTHCONFDIR=/etc/mythtv

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: do we still support that?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, yes

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I'm using it to get the FE to connect to mysql as a different user then the MBE

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wagnerrp:

huh... i am supporting that in the bindings, i thought i took that out

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darkdrgn2k:

"AnalogSM(/dev/video0), Error: Start encoding failed"

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darkdrgn2k:

is there any other services (asside from lirc) that would read a MCE USB's remote

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[R]:

are those hid remotes?

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darkdrgn2k:

i dont think so

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darkdrgn2k:

i never seen it act this way

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[R]:

then lirc is it

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darkdrgn2k:

i stoped lirc and arrows STILL work

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darkdrgn2k:

(nothign else just arrows)

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[R]:

if lirc isn't running and it works

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[R]:

its a hid device

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darkdrgn2k:

how do i stop it LOL (it wasnmt liek this in fedora 12)

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mianos:

mine is HID

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mianos:

no lirc at all

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darkdrgn2k:

only the arrows work thought, nothign else

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mianos:

lsudb -v

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darkdrgn2k:

Bus 004 Device 002: ID 1784:0006 TopSeed Technology Corp. eHome Infrared Transceiver

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mianos:

darkdrgn2k., yes, not many things for on mine too

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darkdrgn2k:

mianos: how do i turn off hid

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mianos:

bInterfaceClass 3 Human Interface Device

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darkdrgn2k:

(i think thats what turning my thing off)

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mianos:

aparently you can blacklist it and use lirc

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mianos:

I never got that working

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mianos:

using /dev/input

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darkdrgn2k:

grrr now my hdpvr is acting up

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darkdrgn2k:

2011-02–06 17:53:16.548 AnalogSM(/dev/video0), Error: Start encoding failed

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darkdrgn2k:

eno: Resource temporarily unavailable (11)

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[R]:

so plug and unplug

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darkdrgn2k:

arg now the backend is crashing

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[R]:

reboot!

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darkdrgn2k:

#$!%%@ hdpvr decided to switch to video1 now

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[R]:

tahts cuz the driver locked up

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[R]:

hence reboot

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darkdrgn2k:

rebooting again but this is like the 3rd time LOL

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[R]:

the hdpvr is an awful awful device

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[R]:

you just learn to deal with it

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[R]:

i did, and now mine works mostly perfectly

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darkdrgn2k:

hdpvr is the only only device :-P

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[R]:

i'll be jealous when their new pci card gets linux drivers and it works better than the hdpvr

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[R]:

but for now, i suffer with it

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darkdrgn2k:

so what do you have to keep an eye on?

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darkdrgn2k:

@$@$@ rebooted and still

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darkdrgn2k:

2011-02–06 18:01:25.686 AnalogSM(/dev/video0), Error: Start encoding failed

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darkdrgn2k:

eno: Resource temporarily unavailable (11)

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[R]:

and you turned it off and on?

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[R]:

what are you tyring to do when yo uget that error?

[23:02:03]

darkdrgn2k:

pulled the power

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darkdrgn2k:

watch tv..

[23:02:12]

darkdrgn2k:

swiched input to the hdpvr in live tv

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[R]:

livetv is a little flkay

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[R]:

are you running the very latest 24 fixes?

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darkdrgn2k:

MythTV Version : v0.25pre-1075-ga9b2543-dirty

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darkdrgn2k:

git from a few days ago

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darkdrgn2k:

i had it working earlier.. just couldnt change channels

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darkdrgn2k:

(it would bail whnever i changed channels)

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[R]:

have fun with master

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darkdrgn2k:

LOL does hdpvr really worst in master

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darkdrgn2k:

*really work wors*

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[R]:

livetv has always been a little iffy for me

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[R]:

other than that, it works great for me

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm

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darkdrgn2k:

even after a reboot

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darkdrgn2k:

[root@MythHD ~]# cat /dev/video0 > test

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darkdrgn2k:

cat: write error: Bad address

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[R]:

sounds like your hdpvr sucks

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darkdrgn2k:

it was working FINE a few hours ago LOL

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darkdrgn2k:

dmesg

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mianos:

sounds like the driver died

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darkdrgn2k:

mianos: *sugh* i cant seem to get it back

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darkdrgn2k:

i wonder if its the receiver...

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J-e-f-f-A:

darkdrgn2k: did you power-cycle the HD-PVR? I have to do that to mine once in a while...

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mianos:

modprobed it?

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darkdrgn2k:

J-e-f-f-A: did few times

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darkdrgn2k:

turned out to be the dam component cable !@#$@%#@$%@#@

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darkdrgn2k:

ok back to the inital problem

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darkdrgn2k:

when i try changing channel in live i get this

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darkdrgn2k:

http://imagebin.org/136484

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