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| [00:02:32] | jm|laptop: | hello :) |
| [00:03:20] | jm|laptop: | I am using mythfrontend version: trunk [27420] www.mythtv.org but my stupid laptop struggles with HD programmes |
| [00:03:21] | MythLogBot: | SVN 27420: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/3958daf4 |
| [00:03:34] | jm|laptop: | I'm looking at the Broadcom CrystalHD – is this supported now? |
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| [00:19:00] | nutron: | oh hi! |
| [00:19:51] | nutron: | Ok, so uhh, right, seems .24-fixes rapes my cards. Didn't happen with .23-fixes at all, ever. EVAR! |
| [00:20:26] | nutron: | I have documented the problem, when it happens, but it seems like I'm not the only one having this issue according the m/l. Now, what would be the best way for me to resolve this as it makes my backend useless? |
| [00:20:44] | kormoc: | nutron, Rape is a serious issue. I think you need to call the police in to investigate |
| [00:20:52] | nutron: | What's the best approach for me to see results? Can I git bisect (dunno what I'm talking about there) to see what code changed.. where? |
| [00:20:58] | Beirdo: | your cards were asking for it |
| [00:21:07] | kormoc: | Dressed like that! FOR SHAME! |
| [00:21:07] | ** nutron cries a little cry ** | |
| [00:21:17] | nutron: | SLUTS! |
| [00:21:29] | nutron: | oh reminds me of the dirty dozen... |
| [00:21:42] | Beirdo: | now, what seems to be the actual problem here? :) |
| [00:21:50] | nutron: | Anyway, for real, since I'm no dev, I don't know how to really do a regression test with git. |
| [00:22:09] | kormoc: | Yeah, what does raping a card mean? |
| [00:22:15] | nutron: | Ok, basic explanation: |
| [00:22:27] | Beirdo: | doing so from 0.24-fixes to 0.23-fixes will not really be feasible due to many changes in db schema, etc |
| [00:22:50] | nutron: | When I have more than two recordings happening at the same time, card one changes... card two changes... card three changes ... card two becomes unresponsive. |
| [00:22:53] | kormoc: | Beirdo, he could restore his 0.23 db and replay half way |
| [00:23:08] | Beirdo: | kormoc: yeah, true. |
| [00:23:10] | nutron: | I can make different cards hang, ie. I changed the order in mythtv-setup and still tuner 2 hangs. |
| [00:23:13] | kormoc: | nutron, did you update kernel versions as well? |
| [00:23:22] | nutron: | kormoc: 2.6.32 for ages |
| [00:23:31] | kormoc: | kk |
| [00:23:49] | nutron: | no diff, though debian updates the kernel like crazy, nothing I could find suggested any patches were applied to ivtv |
| [00:23:57] | Beirdo: | all ivtv? |
| [00:24:00] | nutron: | or anything related (from what I can tell at a distance) |
| [00:24:23] | kormoc: | nutron, if you drop out a card (so it's only two) does it still lock up a card? |
| [00:24:42] | nutron: | Well the patches debian applies are named accordingly.. for eg. if the sky2 driver was backported due to a bug, it'd be named something like 90-sky2-regression.patch |
| [00:24:48] | nutron: | so I didn't see ivtv in there |
| [00:25:23] | sphery: | nutron: these are USB tuners? |
| [00:25:37] | nutron: | kormoc: humm, haven't tried that at all, b/c .23 plugged away happily with these same cards. Though I did believe my problems stemmed from too much load, I can now suggest that .. that's not the case. |
| [00:25:41] | nutron: | sphery: pci |
| [00:25:44] | sphery: | hmmm |
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| [00:25:46] | nutron: | pvr 150's and a 500 |
| [00:25:54] | sphery: | so no EIT or anything |
| [00:25:57] | nutron: | nein |
| [00:26:05] | sphery: | *buntu? |
| [00:26:10] | nutron: | debian |
| [00:26:33] | nutron: | so could be |
| [00:26:36] | nutron: | very similar |
| [00:26:48] | sphery: | I was thinking there was some issue with ivtv on some *buntu version... I think wagnerrp mentioned something once. |
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| [00:27:04] | nutron: | oh ... oh? |
| [00:27:18] | sphery: | or maybe it was V4L in general |
| [00:27:18] | nutron: | I get zero dmesg output... nothing, the card just hangs |
| [00:27:32] | sphery: | but I don't know any details |
| [00:27:58] | nutron: | so but.. just to be clear... the first card can hang as well and so can the third... |
| [00:28:07] | nutron: | depends on what order myth starts recording in |
| [00:28:20] | nutron: | so if it's 2 – 1 – 3 then card 1 will hang |
| [00:28:28] | Beirdo: | weird |
| [00:28:28] | nutron: | never the last one and never the first one |
| [00:28:31] | sphery: | yeah, it sounds like a low-level issue with drivers or v4l subsystem to me |
| [00:28:36] | nutron: | feels like a deadlock or ...? |
| [00:28:43] | Beirdo: | or a motherboard crapout |
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| [00:28:59] | nutron: | Beirdo: ya think? do you have suggestions on how I can rule that out? |
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| [00:29:00] | Beirdo: | nothing in dmesg? |
| [00:29:25] | Beirdo: | maybe it could be a number of available buffers issue or something of the like |
| [00:30:19] | nutron: | nothing in dmesg at all |
| [00:30:49] | nutron: | then ivtv would complain that the program wasn't reading fast enough :/ |
| [00:30:51] | kormoc: | nutron, pastebin modinfo ivtv |
| [00:30:53] | nutron: | nothing |
| [00:31:07] | kormoc: | if only there was a site like modinfo.org that had a database of all the module information.... |
| [00:31:13] | ** kormoc looks guilty ** | |
| [00:31:45] | nutron: | gah... |
| [00:31:58] | nutron: | you want the ivtv version? |
| [00:31:59] | nutron: | 1.4.1 |
| [00:32:02] | kormoc: | nutron, arguments |
| [00:32:05] | nutron: | oh ok |
| [00:32:17] | kormoc: | I don't have a ivtv module laying around so I can't look myself |
| [00:32:41] | nutron: | what's the myth paste? |
| [00:32:41] | kormoc: | and my database of them is sitting in a .sql.gz file, a tad hard to pull out |
| [00:32:47] | kormoc: | mythtv.pastebin.ca? |
| [00:32:48] | nutron: | /topic nvm |
| [00:33:12] | nutron: | kormoc: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/3mFPYjsZ |
| [00:34:02] | kormoc: | nutron, welp, there's a debug option that I'd turn on if I was you and see what it says |
| [00:34:19] | kormoc: | I'd start with debug=3 and ramp up from there |
| [00:34:30] | nutron: | ok |
| [00:35:03] | nutron: | there are others out there that have the same prob, don't know why neither them or I thought of that heh... |
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| [00:35:47] | kormoc: | the simplest solution is always the hardest ;) |
| [00:38:54] | nutron: | kormoc: lol, I've beaten around the bush with this for ages now... since november and it never occured to me :P |
| [00:39:24] | kormoc: | nutron, is it always a pvr500 tuner that freezes? |
| [00:39:51] | kormoc: | and have you updated your ivtv firmware? |
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| [00:45:11] | _cal_: | which keybinding is for exiting the guide and exiting livetv? |
| [00:45:22] | _cal_: | cannot find it under global or tv playback |
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| [00:54:36] | nutron: | kormoc: no it's any of them |
| [00:54:41] | nutron: | pvr 150 or 500 |
| [00:55:03] | nutron: | the firmware.. is... uhh, hmm probably the latest, though I don't think I've checked say since july or august |
| [00:56:20] | Methuselah: | hi, I compiled my own lirc and instead of getting the expected output from irw, I am getting garbled output. Any ideas what is the most likely culprit? |
| [00:56:22] | Methuselah: | A remote keypress basically generates , random junk. I know that this is a mythtv group, but got no response #lirc. And you all are so smart. Anyways, I am trying to learn all this so I can contribute to myth and lirc. |
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| [01:00:18] | wagnerrp: | what kind of response are you getting from irw? |
| [01:00:36] | wagnerrp: | irw should be outputting named key presses as defined by your lircd.conf |
| [01:00:57] | wagnerrp: | it should be impossible for it to output 'garbled' text |
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| [01:10:12] | Methuselah: | Its random ascii wagner, Its not what you should be getting. This is how I start it no lircd.conf needed.sudo start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile=/var/run/lircd0.pid --oknodo --exec /usr/sbin/lircd — --driver=mceusb --device=/dev/lirc0 --output=/dev/lircd0 --pidfile=/var/run/lircd0.pid /usr/share/lirc/remotes/mceusb/lircd.conf.mceusb |
| [01:10:37] | Methuselah: | except driver=default |
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| [01:11:45] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what any of that means |
| [01:11:48] | Methuselah: | I copy pasted my /usr/share/lirc/remotes/* from one of my ubuntu boxes that I stole the remote from |
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| [01:14:49] | Methuselah: | Thanks anyways, it seems like it something easy because when i hit a key the random characters changes a little |
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| [02:15:59] | Methuselah: | wagnerrp: I think I am narrowing in on the problem. Its to do with loading the modules, apparently I hosed something up, when I run modprobe lirc_mceusb it says module not found. |
| [02:16:13] | wagnerrp: | what kernel version are you running? |
| [02:16:21] | Methuselah: | 2.6.35 |
| [02:16:43] | wagnerrp: | i dont remember if lirc was merged for 2.6.35 or 2.6.36 |
| [02:16:54] | Methuselah: | 2.6.36 i beileve |
| [02:17:03] | wagnerrp: | either way, external module is lirc_mceusb, while the in-kernel module is mceusb |
| [02:17:35] | Methuselah: | oh so i should modprobe mceusb? |
| [02:17:48] | wagnerrp: | only if youre using the in-kernel modules |
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| [02:20:02] | Methuselah: | hehe, yeah ok duh, I have to read up on that, don't understand that much yet. |
| [02:20:19] | ** wagnerrp goes back to cython hacking ** | |
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| [02:31:11] | MylesMan: | hello all |
| [02:32:40] | MylesMan: | i am wondering if can get help or if i'm in the right channel for that? |
| [02:32:50] | wagnerrp: | depends on what youre trying to get help with |
| [02:33:11] | MylesMan: | ok here's my sitrep |
| [02:33:31] | MylesMan: | i did a CLI-install of ubuntu |
| [02:33:56] | MylesMan: | and installed fluxbox/mtv |
| [02:34:23] | MylesMan: | and i'd like help installing my HVR-1950 |
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| [02:34:30] | MylesMan: | card plz |
| [02:34:44] | wagnerrp: | do you have a /dev/dvb/adapter0 or /dev/video0? |
| [02:35:21] | MylesMan: | atm it isnt plugged in and theres no vid0 |
| [02:35:24] | MylesMan: | in dev |
| [02:35:36] | MylesMan: | i'll check adater |
| [02:35:42] | wagnerrp: | well of course there will be nothing there if its not plugged |
| [02:35:43] | wagnerrp: | in |
| [02:35:51] | MylesMan: | ok |
| [02:36:23] | MylesMan: | ss it'll be either dev/vid or adapter0? |
| [02:36:37] | wagnerrp: | it should show up as both |
| [02:36:49] | wagnerrp: | but until it does, you may be better served in #linuxtv or #ubuntu |
| [02:37:03] | MylesMan: | ps i've already extracted the FW |
| [02:37:11] | MylesMan: | ok thx |
| [02:37:44] | MylesMan: | i'll get it plugged in and report back |
| [02:41:22] | MylesMan: | do i need to sudo mythtv-setup or just as regular user? |
| [02:42:08] | MylesMan: | b/c i read somewher that if i dont sudo explicitly it'll fail to probe |
| [02:42:25] | MylesMan: | mind u that was for 8.10 |
| [02:44:36] | Shadow__X: | MylesMan: what kernel do you have |
| [02:45:29] | MylesMan: | 2635-25-generic |
| [02:45:54] | MylesMan: | forgive the lack of "." if u would |
| [02:46:01] | MylesMan: | :) |
| [02:46:56] | Shadow__X: | it should be supported by the kernel but regardless listen to wag ner |
| [02:47:30] | MylesMan: | ok thx :D |
| [02:54:48] | MylesMan: | and what about the remote how/where do i config that? |
| [02:55:23] | Shadow__X: | MylesMan: get the tuner working first |
| [02:55:30] | MylesMan: | ok |
| [02:55:41] | MylesMan: | will do |
| [02:55:43] | MylesMan: | :) |
| [02:56:40] | MylesMan: | ttyl thx again |
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| [03:12:32] | clgshaft: | Hey guys. I had asked a question a couple weeks ago about an issue I am having with watching live tv. If I leave the backend running all day and try to watch tv it says it cannot find the backend, check ip. However I can watch recordings, and my nas, and have just discovered it also records the scheduled recordings |
| [03:12:49] | clgshaft: | Any thoughts? |
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| [03:19:09] | darkdrgn2k: | ok this is wierd.. wathing LIVE TV. i rewind it and it jumps to the begning of the recording.. |
| [03:19:25] | darkdrgn2k: | then fast forwarding works.. but when i try to play (stop fast forwearing) it jumps back again |
| [03:19:35] | hot_wheelz: | anyone got the iMON Pad remote working with the Harmony One properly? I am running mythbuntu 10.10 |
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| [03:53:32] | wagnerrp: | markk_: if only darkdrgn2k hadn't timed out, you could tell him you just fixed his woes |
| [03:54:32] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, thats elmojo |
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| [04:15:24] | _cal_: | when in the tv guide, if i hit 1 it doesnt start channel search, instead increments through the timeline?! other number keys work. |
| [04:19:09] | sphery: | _cal_: you have 1 mapped to DAYRIGHT in TV Frontend context... Let me guess... MythTV 0.23? |
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| [04:22:13] | sphery: | _cal_: if you upgrade to 0.24-fixes, it's been fixed so it doesn't use the number keys for non-number things in the guide |
| [04:22:30] | sphery: | i.e. it will automatically fix the bindings |
| [04:25:35] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i need more monitors |
| [04:30:34] | _cal_: | thx sphery |
| [04:31:25] | nutron: | is there any difference to the 24-fixes branch on the old svn and the new git? ie. should I try it? |
| [04:31:42] | nutron: | I don't see any updates on the wiki, so I'm assuming backporting fixes is... done? |
| [04:31:42] | wagnerrp: | nutron: about two months worth of fixes |
| [04:31:50] | nutron: | oh :/ |
| [04:31:59] | ** nutron cries ** | |
| [04:32:11] | nutron: | git is so... difficult :P |
| [04:32:15] | nutron: | heh |
| [04:32:50] | kormoc: | sphery, 100,000 sharks mass off Florida's beaches, the invasion begins http://j.mp/hNNPn0 |
| [04:32:57] | _cal_: | sphery: mine says fixes/0.24 in system status. guess I have it already. |
| [04:33:30] | nutron: | oh wth, the wiki's updated |
| [04:33:33] | nutron: | nvm |
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| [04:40:52] | sphery: | _cal_: OK, in that case, it was unable to fix your 1 key binding because something was non-default... So just unmap that manually in Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys |
| [04:41:03] | sphery: | TV Frontend/DAYRIGHT |
| [04:41:35] | sphery: | kormoc: I'm never going to the beach, again! |
| [04:42:20] | wagnerrp: | helicopter pilot steve irwin... didnt get get killed by a stingray? |
| [04:42:35] | sphery: | The 50-year-old – who shares his name with the late Australian 'Crocodile Hunter' |
| [04:42:38] | sphery: | :) |
| [04:43:43] | sphery: | kormoc: I just loaded up one of the cell-phone-video images into my photo app, CSI: Miami, and hit the enhance button. It /clearly/ shows lasers mounted on the head of every shark. |
| [04:43:44] | _cal_: | sphery: right now 1 is mapped to 1 in global group in edit keys. you want me to unmap that?? lol |
| [04:44:10] | sphery: | _cal_: no, I want you to unmap 1 from TV Frontend/DAYRIGHT |
| [04:44:20] | _cal_: | ahhhh |
| [04:44:27] | kormoc: | sphery, aye, they're gonna be able to shoot your house from the beach! |
| [04:44:30] | kormoc: | there's no hiding! |
| [04:44:40] | sphery: | I knew this day would come |
| [04:44:49] | sphery: | Time to install my mirror walls |
| [04:44:57] | wagnerrp: | quickly men, to the mirrors! |
| [04:45:21] | wagnerrp: | the guys with tin foil hats dont look so foolish anymore do they |
| [04:45:34] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:45:46] | _cal_: | sphery: works now, thx man! |
| [04:48:03] | sphery: | cool |
| [04:48:09] | clgshaft: | Hey guys. I had asked a question a couple weeks ago about an issue I am having with watching live tv. If I leave the backend running all day and try to watch tv it says it cannot find the backend, check ip. However I can watch recordings, and my nas, and have just discovered it also records the scheduled recordings |
| [04:48:56] | clgshaft: | Any idea what would cause this? |
| [04:49:13] | sphery: | clgshaft: no clue |
| [04:49:23] | sphery: | sounds like a ticket that was submitted |
| [04:49:33] | sphery: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9526 |
| [04:49:40] | sphery: | (or was that your ticket?) |
| [04:49:58] | clgshaft: | sphery: You looked at my logs before |
| [04:50:15] | clgshaft: | I've never submitted a ticket |
| [04:50:23] | sphery: | clgshaft: you /do/ have mythtv configured with an IP address for the settings that say IP address, right? I.e. you didn't use any host names when configuring MythTV, did you? |
| [04:50:32] | sphery: | (since we don't support name resolution in MythTV) |
| [04:50:54] | clgshaft: | It is an ip |
| [04:51:00] | sphery: | hmmm |
| [04:51:07] | sphery: | do you have socket errors in the logs? |
| [04:51:16] | sphery: | frontend and/or backend logs? |
| [04:51:27] | _cal_: | well crap lost all my channel icons. apparently a db backup doesn't back those up. |
| [04:51:37] | wagnerrp: | you know, im thinking that in order to avoid the GIL, its going to be easier to just write a new socket library in straight c++, and hook into it with cython |
| [04:51:53] | wagnerrp: | rather than try to rig something together entirely within cython |
| [04:52:01] | sphery: | channel icons are files on the file system... db backup will contain the file path, so if you lose the files, you'll lose icons |
| [04:52:18] | sphery: | GIL? |
| [04:52:22] | kormoc: | sphery, that ticket is bordering on insanity |
| [04:52:28] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, makes no sense to me |
| [04:52:47] | sphery: | because a) we don't support name resolution |
| [04:52:56] | wagnerrp: | sphery: Global Interpreter Lock... its what prevents python code from being multithreaded |
| [04:52:58] | kormoc: | sphery, Global that i word that escapes me how to spell lock |
| [04:52:59] | clgshaft: | I am thinking it may be linked to my nas. I didn't have it mounted yesterday and I did t have the issue, last night I mounted and when I came home today live tv would not work |
| [04:53:00] | sphery: | and b) even if we did, we couldn't take down libnslookup from MythTV |
| [04:53:28] | kormoc: | sphery, he shows a dumped core. That might be the best way to figure out WTF is going on |
| [04:53:49] | sphery: | only way I could see MythTV having an effect on name resolution is if we were DoS'ing a name server |
| [04:54:01] | sphery: | or, more likely, just causing network issues |
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| [04:54:44] | clgshaft: | Hmm |
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| [04:56:22] | sphery: | clgshaft: could be... things don't tend to like it when network file systems drop offline, so if that happens... |
| [04:57:18] | sphery: | kormoc: I have a strong suspicion that there's something more to the situation than the user has realized |
| [04:57:20] | clgshaft: | Ok. I'll try without it for a few days, will try and copy over the videos I need |
| [04:57:48] | kormoc: | sphery, agreed |
| [04:59:14] | sphery: | clgshaft: good luck with it... hope you can track down exactly what's causing the issue, then it should be easier to find someone who knows how to fix it |
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| [04:59:47] | clgshaft: | Just weird it's just live tv, but still records tv. |
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| [05:01:33] | clgshaft: | How can I copy videos from nas to hdd mythtv video folder? I have like 500 gb |
| [05:02:02] | sphery: | I highly recommend rsync |
| [05:02:19] | clgshaft: | Ok, simple process? |
| [05:02:30] | sphery: | rsync -n -av --progress /path/to/files /path/to/destination/ |
| [05:02:39] | wagnerrp: | you are going to stop using your NAS and use your linux box as your file server instead? |
| [05:02:51] | sphery: | -n says "don't do it, but show me what you would do" so you can change your command line when you mess it up |
| [05:03:11] | sphery: | (which is easy to do as there's a difference between /path/to/dir and /path/to/dir/ and such--see man page) |
| [05:03:33] | sphery: | rsync is great, though, in that it tells you how much is left and how long it should take |
| [05:03:36] | clgshaft: | Yes wagnerrp |
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| [05:17:50] | wagnerrp: | sphery: shame of that parts express... shipping is /expensive/ |
| [05:18:25] | wagnerrp: | ordered the parts tonight, cheapo 2–5 day ground was $10 on a $35 purchase |
| [05:18:38] | wagnerrp: | shipping guaranteed to get it here friday was going to be more than the speaker itself |
| [05:19:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, really... :( |
| [05:20:26] | sphery: | I'll admit that since I had a relatively large order planned out, the shipping was probably more reasonable |
| [05:20:49] | wagnerrp: | and 5x monoprice's cost for decent banana clips |
| [05:21:27] | wagnerrp: | $5 for a pair that didnt look like they would fall apart as i was trying to wire them up |
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| [05:33:14] | wagnerrp: | just had a friend ask me about wiring his house with 'coaxial video distribution' |
| [05:33:21] | wagnerrp: | im hoping to dissuade him |
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| [05:33:56] | sphery: | heh, twisted-pair video distribution ftw |
| [05:33:59] | sphery: | (ethernet :) |
| [05:35:59] | wagnerrp: | i can only hope it was to feed cable to each of 10 (?!?) tvs, and not to try to run DVD video to each of them |
| [05:38:39] | Beirdo: | Office Space time :) |
| [05:38:47] | sphery: | with flair! |
| [05:38:58] | Beirdo: | :) The BluRay arrived today |
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| [08:29:08] | justinh: | hmmm. my user is in the 'mythtv' group & yet I can't seem to do anything on files owned by mythtv without being superuser |
| [08:29:35] | justinh: | wonder if that's cos the UID of the 'mythtv' user is < 1000 |
| [08:30:35] | justinh: | tried running users-admin under gksudo & even then it's not showing users with UID<1000. idiocy |
| [08:33:15] | wagnerrp: | my mouse is being funky, might be due for a replacement |
| [08:33:35] | mianos: | type id |
| [08:34:06] | justinh: | uid=1000(justin) gid=1000(justin) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),104(fuse),10 5(lpadmin),112(netdev),119(admin),122(sambashare),124(mysql),126(mythtv),1000(ju stin) |
| [08:34:14] | justinh: | ding. Am in the mythtv group, see |
| [08:34:15] | mianos: | looks good |
| [08:34:18] | mianos: | like mine: |
| [08:34:18] | wagnerrp: | middle button went flaky years ago, now the left button is getting flaky |
| [08:34:27] | wagnerrp: | clicking works fine, dragging... not so much |
| [08:34:29] | mianos: | uid=1000(rfo) gid=1000(rfo) groups=1000(rfo),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),112(mythtv),115(sambas hare),117(admin),120(lpadmin) |
| [08:35:19] | mianos: | are all the filesystem groups mythtv group and have appropriate perms |
| [08:35:27] | wagnerrp: | i would say i need to stop buying logitech gear |
| [08:35:44] | wagnerrp: | but honest, ive been using this mouse heavily for 5 years |
| [08:35:55] | mianos: | drwxrwsr-x 2 mythtv mythtv 4096 2011-02–03 19:30 livetv |
| [08:36:00] | wagnerrp: | and the keyboard for another two beyond that |
| [08:36:07] | justinh: | oh crap. all are -rw-r--r-- |
| [08:36:08] | justinh: | lol |
| [08:36:14] | mianos: | ok |
| [08:36:20] | justinh: | that explains it lol |
| [08:36:24] | wagnerrp: | dialout? |
| [08:36:27] | mianos: | maybe yes |
| [08:36:33] | mianos: | who knwos what the dialout group is |
| [08:36:44] | mianos: | it's a ubumtoo install |
| [08:36:51] | wagnerrp: | i havent had to do that in over a decade |
| [08:37:08] | justinh: | modem |
| [08:37:16] | justinh: | I remember modems. vaguely |
| [08:37:38] | wagnerrp: | are those the things you dropped a telephone handset onto? |
| [08:37:49] | justinh: | lol |
| [08:37:56] | justinh: | acoustic couplers |
| [08:38:11] | justinh: | I never had the pleasure. always direct phoneline connections |
| [08:38:39] | mianos: | I had a box with an accoustic coupler |
| [08:38:42] | mianos: | for work haha |
| [08:38:43] | wagnerrp: | now that i think about it, ive been using DSL longer than i ever used dialup |
| [08:38:46] | mianos: | 300 baud |
| [08:38:57] | justinh: | wagnerrp: me too |
| [08:39:04] | mianos: | then I got a direct 1200/75 |
| [08:39:06] | mianos: | speed! |
| [08:39:15] | justinh: | well not DSL. Obviously. DSL sucks compared to cable over here |
| [08:39:38] | wagnerrp: | im still holding out with the phone co |
| [08:39:51] | wagnerrp: | with the hope theyll eventually switch me over to fiber |
| [08:40:37] | justinh: | over here they've been talking about allowing the cable company (we have only one of those now) fly cables from poles to houses like phone companies can |
| [08:41:07] | justinh: | that'll be nifty |
| [08:41:34] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to what do they have to do now? |
| [08:42:10] | justinh: | what they have to do now is dig streets up |
| [08:42:30] | justinh: | roads, pavements, lawns, yards... |
| [08:44:01] | wagnerrp: | ours is all above ground, everything but water and gas anyway |
| [08:44:22] | wagnerrp: | newer neighborhoods put everything underground, with an access box disguised somewhere near the street |
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| [08:45:25] | justinh: | you can easily do that with new builds |
| [08:46:00] | wagnerrp: | few years later, they dug up the street for new water lines |
| [08:46:09] | wagnerrp: | the next year, they dug it up again for gas |
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| [08:46:28] | wagnerrp: | ive no clue why the phone co didnt take the opportunity to roll fiber everywhere |
| [08:46:50] | wagnerrp: | i mean they cut the whole neighborhood up twice over the course of three years |
| [08:46:58] | justinh: | there'a also been talk of letting comms companies use sewers for cable laying |
| [08:47:10] | wagnerrp: | hehehe |
| [08:47:23] | justinh: | they could fibre up a whole town in next to no time that way |
| [08:47:34] | wagnerrp: | google tried that years back |
| [08:47:36] | justinh: | very minimal disruption |
| [08:47:39] | wagnerrp: | nothing ever came of it |
| [08:47:40] | justinh: | hahaha I remember that |
| [08:47:53] | wagnerrp: | http://www.google.com/tisp/install.html |
| [08:48:14] | justinh: | one of, if not THE best April fools they've ever done |
| [08:49:06] | justinh: | gah why doesn't this file manager app have a means of changing permissions on files I don't own? |
| [08:50:27] | justinh: | think it's time to edit my file exporting scripts to make them give group access |
| [08:51:08] | wagnerrp: | meh, nothing beats the tonton sleeping bag |
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| [09:47:17] | xand: | I can't say how much I hate setting up Freeview channels... STOP CHANGING FREQUENCIES |
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| [10:24:34] | quicksilver: | anyone know anything about using a beagleboard as a low-power mythtv frontend? |
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| [10:31:32] | justinh: | I know one thing about it: I wouldn't recommend it |
| [10:34:56] | justinh: | probably fine to seek as a really edgy DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME case |
| [10:35:41] | justinh: | an exercise in pushing your mangling ability to the limit.. there are way easier & saner frontend configs ;-) |
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| [10:40:23] | justinh: | quicksilver: IIRC there was some work done for XBMC to get hw acceleration going – and I think there's been some for ffmpeg on that platform too – but I very much doubt it'll be worth looking at it. I saw a screenshot of mythfrontend running on a beagleboard but that doesn't mean to say it was a nice user experience |
| [10:41:20] | justinh: | I'm sure a lot of us would love a capable frontend the size of a ciggy packet that's powered by the RF in the room but er.... |
| [10:42:53] | quicksilver: | justinh: well, the ffmpeg patches to support the onboard chipset are merged in to mythfrontend |
| [10:43:05] | quicksilver: | and, to be clear, I was only thinking of SD. |
| [10:43:16] | quicksilver: | justinh: but, what would be a saner cheap/small frontend solution? |
| [10:43:58] | justinh: | cheap//small/easy – an immutable combination IMHO |
| [10:44:23] | justinh: | some might say Atom |
| [10:44:39] | justinh: | not as cheap as the Beagleboard but.. inifitely more sane IMHO |
| [10:45:39] | justinh: | er.. hang on. the beagleboard is HOW MUCH? lol |
| [10:46:02] | justinh: | for that sort of money I'd go Ion Atom |
| [10:48:13] | quicksilver: | justinh: no S-video out though |
| [10:48:56] | justinh: | for Atom kind of money you can get a reasonable core2 board & CPU |
| [10:49:35] | justinh: | for less still you can make your backend into a frontend & take audio/video/remote connections to your livingroom from a cupboard |
| [10:50:13] | ** justinh wonders if Ion would be able to do PAL RGB over VGA ** | |
| [10:51:26] | quicksilver: | my backend already is a frontend. |
| [10:51:34] | quicksilver: | I'm talking about a possible secondary frontend-only |
| [10:52:40] | justinh: | 1st gen AppleTV? :-P |
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| [11:22:18] | justinh: | old laptop with knackered display & TVout? |
| [11:23:17] | oobe: | yay i upgraded my 8400GS for a GT220 and it makes a huge difference i didnt do it for that reason i just wanted the HDMI but using high quality VDPAU and some themes work better too is a huge bonus |
| [11:25:04] | justinh: | wish you could have VDPAU & svideo |
| [11:27:07] | ** justinh goes back to batch renaming "book of the week" archives ** | |
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| [12:07:13] | justinh: | oooh boy. property lawyer subcontract company have again said my case is waiting for review. told them that was what they said last week too. now it's marked 'urgent' so that'll surely help, right? |
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| [12:16:32] | AndyCap: | justinh: being urgently ignored? |
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| [12:58:08] | justinh: | AndyCap: I'm almost past caring what they say. They've got til a week tomorrow to close it then I'm off elsewhere |
| [13:01:58] | justinh: | it's been in their hands since before Christmas & rather than ask for everything they needed in one go it's all been done in stages – stages where they've claimed not to have received documentation I sent them – or that there was some problem with a doc I sent – of course only informing me by post |
| [13:05:27] | AndyCap: | sounds like they're more than a little annoying. |
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| [13:07:54] | justinh: | you could say that. Or you could say they deserve to die in a fire |
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| [13:20:32] | justinh: | oh dear. our 48V power brick has isolation problems |
| [13:21:18] | justinh: | if you plug the fig-8 cable in one way it's safe, but the other way round and er.. 120VAC between PSU GND & mains earth |
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| [14:50:10] | quicksilver: | any recent news about DVB-T2 hardware suitable for freeview hd + mythtv? |
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| [14:57:57] | justinh: | oh it's okay. not all of the 48V bricks put 120VAC on the PSU GND. The remainder put 240VAC on there |
| [14:58:10] | justinh: | quicksilver: hauppauge dual tuner dvb-t2 stick |
| [14:58:25] | justinh: | blackgold are doing a pci-e card too – also dual tuner IIRC |
| [14:58:47] | justinh: | the pci-e card is expensive |
| [14:58:53] | justinh: | but then so's the USB stick |
| [15:00:14] | ThisNewGuy: | hey all – I'm trying to build from trunk but when I run configure it says libfftw3 disabled even though I have libfftw3-dev and libfftw3–3 installed – can anyone help me? |
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| [15:01:09] | mgolisch: | maybe it needs to be explictly enabled? |
| [15:01:39] | mgolisch: | or have a closer look at the check for that thing and find out why it fails if it does |
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| [15:01:58] | justinh: | OMG! Just got a text from the property lawyers saying it'll be completed on Monday! :-O |
| [15:02:47] | ThisNewGuy: | explicit enabling did the trick – thanks mgolisch! |
| [15:03:30] | justinh: | since when did you have to explicitly enable that? |
| [15:03:47] | justinh: | isn't that needed by the mythmusic visualisers? |
| [15:04:08] | ThisNewGuy: | justinh – I'm not sure – I just noticed it today |
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| [15:10:28] | justinh: | configure stuff might've changed – that's trunky stuff for ya |
| [15:16:32] | justinh: | holiday villa is reserved for us now too. £745 for one week. 8 people. Private pool etc. Roll on September |
| [15:16:45] | xtort-: | wow, nice |
| [15:18:45] | justinh: | yeah realised a while ago that package deals are way too expensive |
| [15:21:08] | xtort-: | i can make any package deal that includes unlimited alcohol into a good deal |
| [15:21:17] | justinh: | quicksilver: not hauppauge after all: http://www.pctvsystems.com/ |
| [15:21:22] | justinh: | hahaha |
| [15:22:57] | quicksilver: | justinh: ah, interesting. |
| [15:23:16] | justinh: | http://www.pctvsystems.com/Products/ProductsE . . . Default.aspx even more interesting |
| [15:24:57] | justinh: | 90 quid for a USB stick tuner? Bleh |
| [15:25:22] | justinh: | next question then: Linux? LOL |
| [15:26:05] | quicksilver: | http://www.stevekerrison.com/290e/ |
| [15:26:06] | justinh: | quicksilver: and http://shop.blackgold.tv/epages/BT3159.sf/en_ . . . ucts/BGT3620 |
| [15:26:13] | quicksilver: | btu it doesn't look like he has a driver yet. |
| [15:26:40] | justinh: | nothing ever has a driver. Until somebody writes one |
| [15:27:22] | quicksilver: | indeed. |
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| [15:30:16] | justinh: | http://www.stevekerrison.com/290e/ |
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| [15:56:26] | wagnerrp: | if youre splitting up coax, but not actually plugging anything into it, you dont need amplification do you? |
| [15:57:39] | iamlindoro: | As in, nothing at all plugged into it at any point? |
| [15:57:53] | wagnerrp: | just a terminator cap, no tuner |
| [15:58:08] | iamlindoro: | The loss is at the splitters, so if you plug anything in at any point, you're going to need to amplify if it's behind splits |
| [15:58:35] | iamlindoro: | But otherwise, no point amplifying if there's nothing plugged in-- but once you do... |
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| [15:59:25] | wagnerrp: | got a friend wiring up his house, running coax and ethernet to every room |
| [15:59:41] | wagnerrp: | just wondering if it needs to amp for the number of splits, or for the number of devices |
| [16:00:43] | blk: | i'm trying to setup my new DVB-C card (KNC-One with philips tda10023 chip) but when i try to scan for channels i only get an "error parsing parameters" message. any idea on what's wrong? |
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| [16:25:30] | wagnerrp: | why did someone have to go and bring 'app stores' to the server world |
| [16:28:42] | justinh: | wagnerrp: terminator cap? termination is usually resistive |
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| [16:29:20] | wagnerrp: | cap as in you 'cap' the plug, not capacitor |
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| [17:11:24] | xtort-: | well that was cute... nvidia installer sent a lib needed my mythtv to the bitbucket |
| [17:16:30] | wagnerrp: | what lib is that? |
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| [17:17:10] | xtort-: | libvdpau |
| [17:17:31] | wagnerrp: | the nvidia display drivers do not include libvdpau |
| [17:17:43] | wagnerrp: | that is a separate package, and can be installed with or without the nvidia display drivers |
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| [17:20:22] | xtort-: | everything was fine... i ran the nvidia installer, then mythbackend wouldn't run anymore, and it would just immediately exit complaining about the lib missing |
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| [17:20:37] | xtort-: | so... it did something to/with the lib |
| [17:20:51] | wagnerrp: | what version of the nvidia drivers are you running? |
| [17:20:53] | xtort-: | wasn't a big deal to fix |
| [17:21:05] | xtort-: | NVIDIA-Linux-x86–96.43.19-pkg1.run |
| [17:21:30] | wagnerrp: | that shouldnt even know of vdpau |
| [17:21:37] | xtort-: | the latest legacy one |
| [17:21:40] | wagnerrp: | vdpau didnt come about until the 180.x line |
| [17:21:48] | ** xtort- shrugs ** | |
| [17:21:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah... old GF5? GF4MX? |
| [17:22:44] | sphery: | right, for some reason the old nvidia installer destroys libvdpau install |
| [17:22:53] | sphery: | just need to re-install libvdpau afterwards |
| [17:23:05] | wagnerrp: | might be some unnecessary dependency added by your package manager |
| [17:24:13] | skd5aner: | any good new shows recently premiering in 2011? |
| [17:27:28] | xtort-: | gf4 |
| [17:29:24] | wagnerrp: | ooh, justified starts back up next week |
| [17:30:57] | wagnerrp: | more drivel in marge.... celebrity apprentice, secret millionaire, marriage ref, americas next great restaurant |
| [17:31:04] | wagnerrp: | WTF are these things doing on prime time |
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| [17:33:09] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: CBS spy show about the 'Clandestine Administration and Oversight Services' |
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| [18:09:02] | Beirdo: | IPv4 is dead. Long live IPv6 |
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| [18:12:43] | kormoc: | IPv4 isn't dead yet! |
| [18:12:48] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:13:12] | Beirdo: | I know. :) but it it exhausted at the top level |
| [18:13:21] | Beirdo: | all /8s have been assigned to the registrars |
| [18:14:04] | kormoc: | and still something like 40% of the ips aren't used |
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| [18:15:43] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: tis but a scratch |
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| [18:22:32] | Beirdo: | they will be used |
| [18:22:34] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:22:51] | Beirdo: | and "used" is in the eye of the beholder... once they are handed to an ISP, they are used. |
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| [18:25:01] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: there is that good quarter of the address space delegated to individual corporations through the legacy /8 allocations |
| [18:25:38] | wagnerrp: | does Dell really need 16M internet facing IPv4 addresses? |
| [18:25:46] | Beirdo: | you will never get them back |
| [18:25:51] | Beirdo: | they are paying for it |
| [18:25:59] | wagnerrp: | not get, sell |
| [18:26:16] | wagnerrp: | i expect if the cost for those things starts going up, theyll start selling off blocks on their own |
| [18:26:19] | Beirdo: | that runs into the issue of routing space. |
| [18:26:43] | Beirdo: | the routers already have enough issues containing the current routing tables. More fragmentation is not the answer |
| [18:27:26] | Beirdo: | people just need to stop being Luddites and get on with IPv6 planning |
| [18:27:47] | ** wagnerrp is finally back on v6 again ** | |
| [18:28:20] | wagnerrp: | for what little good it actually does at the moment |
| [18:28:23] | Beirdo: | and learning it at home will give us all a leg up for when the "OMG, I need it RIGHT NOW!" happens |
| [18:28:41] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i dont think my industry is going to have to worry about that |
| [18:29:02] | Beirdo: | if they have a web page, they will at some point :) |
| [18:29:15] | Beirdo: | but not too much past that for many companies |
| [18:29:56] | Beirdo: | interestingly, I see that Qwest has an AS in the IPv6 world |
| [18:30:09] | Beirdo: | wonder when they'll give subscribers native v6 |
| [18:33:25] | Beirdo: | I may still wanna use the tunnel though... bypass any and all proxies they try to force on me |
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| [18:50:25] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: looking at the scale of the bars, im guessing the read performance was 0.68 |
| [18:50:56] | kormoc: | that's still wrong |
| [18:51:04] | kormoc: | rotating media isn't /that/ slow |
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| [18:51:34] | wagnerrp: | more importantly, rotating media is never faster at writing than reading |
| [18:51:43] | kormoc: | that is very true as well |
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| [18:52:05] | wagnerrp: | which is why i say its writing to some sort of buffer, rather than writing to platter |
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| [18:54:46] | k4ever: | hi. i just installed mythtv on linux mint debian edition. i have a hauppauge wintv-hvr 850 usb capture card. i'm hook to analog cable. the "channel scan" button is disabled. i read a bug report on it, but it was over a year ago. has this been fixed? |
| [18:55:03] | wagnerrp: | what version of mythtv are you running? |
| [18:56:23] | k4ever: | standby, trying to find version number... |
| [18:56:34] | wagnerrp: | 'mythbackend --version' |
| [18:59:26] | k4ever: | says the version is unknown. checking synaptic |
| [18:59:48] | wagnerrp: | what library api? |
| [18:59:59] | wagnerrp: | what branch? |
| [19:00:31] | k4ever: | synaptic says its 0.24+20110121–0.0(testing) |
| [19:01:10] | k4ever: | MythTV Version : Unknown |
| [19:01:10] | k4ever: | MythTV Branch : |
| [19:01:10] | k4ever: | Network Protocol : 63 |
| [19:01:10] | k4ever: | Library API : 0.24.20101129–1 |
| [19:01:11] | k4ever: | QT Version : 4.6.3 |
| [19:01:14] | wagnerrp: | analog scanning was enabled in 0.23... of course you should not be using it |
| [19:01:30] | wagnerrp: | and the linux mint people need a beatdown |
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| [19:02:01] | wagnerrp: | in fact, you shouldnt be using analog, or cable for that matter, with that device |
| [19:02:14] | wagnerrp: | broadcast ATSC only |
| [19:02:21] | k4ever: | i use it all the time with tvtime |
| [19:02:31] | wagnerrp: | tvtime does not record |
| [19:02:48] | wagnerrp: | that device is a PITA if you intend to record |
| [19:02:56] | k4ever: | my only tv signal is analog cable, so i'm stuck |
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| [19:03:22] | wagnerrp: | if you want analog, you want a hardware encoder |
| [19:03:30] | wagnerrp: | that means HVR-1950 for USB |
| [19:03:44] | wagnerrp: | or HVR-1600 (PCI) or HVR-2250 (PCIe) for internal |
| [19:03:55] | wagnerrp: | or you could pick up an older PVR-150 fairly cheaply |
| [19:04:30] | wagnerrp: | further, scanning was likely disabled, because you have not yet configured a video source and mapped it to your input |
| [19:04:48] | wagnerrp: | you should not be scanning anyway, you should be pulling a lineup from your schedules direct account |
| [19:05:25] | k4ever: | i'm in iraq using afn. i don't think there is a "schedules direct account" |
| [19:06:03] | wagnerrp: | pretty sure schedules direct supports AFN lineups |
| [19:06:28] | k4ever: | ok, how do i set it up? |
| [19:06:39] | k4ever: | this is my first time using mythtv |
| [19:07:08] | wagnerrp: | yeah, theyve got 13 channels listed for AFN satellite |
| [19:08:12] | wagnerrp: | the 'video source' is your provider, AFN |
| [19:08:20] | wagnerrp: | if holds your channels, and is separate from the tuners |
| [19:08:27] | wagnerrp: | so you can map multiple tuners to a single source |
| [19:08:35] | wagnerrp: | and not have to have duplicate channels on each |
| [19:08:51] | k4ever: | ok, i'm on the schedules direct website. signing up |
| [19:09:09] | wagnerrp: | just put in any zip code, AFN will show up as available anywhere |
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| [19:10:05] | wagnerrp: | once that is done, give mythtv-setup the login credentials, it will list the available lineups, select the AFN one and it will download a list of channels |
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| [19:10:23] | wagnerrp: | for actually setting up the tuner, cant help you there |
| [19:10:25] | k4ever: | holy crap! i put in my email address and it pulled in all of my information. where did it get it from? that's scary |
| [19:10:41] | wagnerrp: | never had the displeasure of using framegrabbers in mythtv |
| [19:11:09] | wagnerrp: | dont know where they would have gotten your information unless you had signed up previously |
| [19:11:09] | k4ever: | you have to pay for this? |
| [19:11:36] | wagnerrp: | its $20/yr, nominal licensing fee from zap2it (tribune media services) |
| [19:11:47] | wagnerrp: | you can get a 3 week free trial |
| [19:12:06] | wagnerrp: | 1 week of access, plus another 2 weeks beyond that until the guide data runs out |
| [19:13:30] | k4ever: | do i need to keep it once i have the channels? i only have a few months left here |
| [19:13:58] | wagnerrp: | i think you can buy it in 3 month increments |
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| [19:15:36] | k4ever: | 2 month membership for $5. not bad. i spend more than that on soap. |
| [19:15:53] | sphery: | or 12 month for $20 |
| [19:16:02] | sphery: | for same data TiVo users pay $15/mo to get. |
| [19:16:08] | wagnerrp: | sphery: hes oversees, only planning on using it for a few months |
| [19:16:14] | sphery: | ahh, cool |
| [19:17:01] | sphery: | it's definitely a great deal, though--excellent data quality. |
| [19:18:06] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: looks like APNIC is going to be the first one to feel the squeeze |
| [19:18:13] | wagnerrp: | companies have been buying it up like mad over there |
| [19:18:29] | wagnerrp: | 100M in the past year, 24M in January alone |
| [19:19:50] | wagnerrp: | RIPE should run out in around a year, ARIN will last a bit longer, LACNIC and AfriNIC should last several years |
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| [19:21:59] | wagnerrp: | i wonder how long before we start seeing carriers selling premium accounts that are outside the v4NAT |
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| [19:32:47] | k4ever: | quick questions about schedules direct.. what do i list for video source name and what is the data direct lineup? |
| [19:33:04] | MasterRoot: | hi, I'm installing 0.24 from fresh, however when I connect the frontend for the first time after installation, I am prompted to update my DB schema, which I do, as it's the only option, however after this process, when running the frontend, I am constantly prompted that the frontend cannot connect to the backend |
| [19:33:07] | wagnerrp: | video source name is whatever you want it to be, e.g. AFN |
| [19:33:17] | k4ever: | ok |
| [19:33:27] | wagnerrp: | data direct lineup is going to be a dropdown that is populated when you give mythtv your account information |
| [19:33:33] | wagnerrp: | just select the one lineup you have set up |
| [19:33:38] | wagnerrp: | you are allowed four per account |
| [19:34:04] | wagnerrp: | MasterRoot: is your backend running? |
| [19:34:29] | MasterRoot: | wagnerrp: i am 99.9% sure it is |
| [19:34:44] | wagnerrp: | ps ax | grep mythbackend |
| [19:36:27] | k4ever: | its not taking my APO zip code... |
| [19:36:46] | wagnerrp: | just give it any valid zip code |
| [19:37:23] | k4ever: | ok |
| [19:40:00] | MasterRoot: | hmm my backend process seems to be silently crashing |
| [19:40:35] | wagnerrp: | MasterRoot: closing more likely, likely because it refuses to run due to a misconfigured setup |
| [19:41:05] | wagnerrp: | try running it directly in a terminal and see what it does |
| [19:41:54] | MasterRoot: | wagnerrp: yes, however running mythbackend returns a segfault... |
| [19:42:19] | wagnerrp: | can you pastebin the terminal output |
| [19:42:30] | MasterRoot: | yup |
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| [19:44:25] | MasterRoot: | http://pastebin.com/9fexjxjm |
| [19:45:02] | wagnerrp: | looks empty |
| [19:45:21] | MasterRoot: | hmmm |
| [19:45:23] | MasterRoot: | 1 sec |
| [19:46:18] | Steve_Goodey: | xand: You get your Freeview sorted? |
| [19:47:05] | xand: | Steve_Goodey: well the recordings I've done so far have worked. I had to remove all channels and set them all up again. a real nuisance which caused great anger! |
| [19:47:30] | xand: | it found some channels twice though, so I don;t know if I have them all working yet |
| [19:47:37] | xand: | (I don't use a frontend) |
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| [19:48:13] | Steve_Goodey: | xand: I can imagine, do you use EIT or xmltv? |
| [19:48:25] | xand: | xmltv |
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| [19:49:41] | MasterRoot: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/9FeXjXJM |
| [19:49:53] | Steve_Goodey: | xand: Did that go OK as well? When I did my setup I also got duplicated channels, but that was ages ago, shame it's still happening. |
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| [19:50:16] | wagnerrp: | MasterRoot: so yes, its complaining about a misconfiguration, closing, and having an unrelated segfault |
| [19:50:29] | xand: | Steve_Goodey: it's fine when you know how to set it up (which involves putting the xmltvids in the channels table and creating an xmltv config file) |
| [19:50:36] | wagnerrp: | why is this running in a VM? |
| [19:50:39] | xand: | and so long as they don;t changet the ids... |
| [19:50:48] | xand: | -t |
| [19:50:54] | MasterRoot: | i havent any tuners atm, but it should still run shouldnt it? |
| [19:50:56] | k4ever: | wow setting up mythtv is time consuming. i don't even know if i'm doing everything right.. |
| [19:51:17] | wagnerrp: | MasterRoot: no, mythtv is designed to record tv, something you cannot do with tuners or capture devices of some sort |
| [19:51:17] | xand: | I want to give the Freeview website authors a good slapping for them saying how easy a retune is |
| [19:51:50] | wagnerrp: | k4ever: the real meat of a mythtv system can be set up in under 10 minutes |
| [19:51:59] | wagnerrp: | most of those settings do not need to be touched |
| [19:52:01] | MasterRoot: | wagnerrp: hmm can i set up a dummy tuner? |
| [19:52:18] | wagnerrp: | there is a dummy tuner, ive never used it, nor do i know how to set it up |
| [19:52:33] | Steve_Goodey: | xand: I suppose with over the counter kit it is. We just like to make it difficult for ourselves. |
| [19:52:43] | MasterRoot: | wagnerrp: ok, no worries, but would you say that's whats causing it to close? |
| [19:52:51] | xand: | Steve_Goodey: difficult but better |
| [19:53:17] | wagnerrp: | MasterRoot: the scheduler is complaining about a misconfigured setup, throwing a fatal error, and the whole thing shuts down as a result |
| [19:53:27] | xand: | I couldn't be sad and make graphs like http://www.xand.co.uk/graphs.php?graph=tv with a freeview STB :D |
| [19:53:34] | wagnerrp: | at some point during shutdown, there is an attempt to access a free'd object, resulting in a segfault |
| [19:53:37] | xand: | or watch the recordings over the network... |
| [19:53:50] | xand: | or setup recordings over the internet |
| [19:54:03] | wagnerrp: | the segfault is unrelated to the backend shutting down |
| [19:54:06] | k4ever: | ok, i started the backend in a terminal. everything looks good with the exception of it not being able to find channel 1 but frontend says backend is not working |
| [19:54:08] | MasterRoot: | i see, that makes sense |
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| [19:54:15] | wagnerrp: | just a bug that exists in the shutdown process |
| [19:54:45] | wagnerrp: | k4ever: can i see backend logs? |
| [19:57:02] | Steve_Goodey: | xand: Those graphs are great, you could write a Mythtv plugin for that. |
| [19:57:19] | k4ever: | sorry, restarted frontend and now its working. how do i change the channel? |
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| [19:57:34] | wagnerrp: | k4ever: up and down arrows? |
| [19:58:33] | MasterRoot: | wagnerrp: nice! ran mythtv-setup and entered an input card as if one was there, setup a blank guide and ran mythfilldatabase and all is well! |
| [19:58:35] | k4ever: | ok, that seem to cause the frontend to crash |
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| [19:59:01] | wagnerrp: | crash or drop back to the main menu? |
| [19:59:23] | wagnerrp: | you were able to get audio and video on channel 1? |
| [19:59:54] | wagnerrp: | Steve_Goodey: that would be a bit difficult for most mythtv users with cable subscriptions |
| [20:00:04] | k4ever: | nothing on channel 1. |
| [20:00:05] | wagnerrp: | hard to come up with colors for several dozen channels |
| [20:00:43] | MasterRoot: | wagnerrp: thanks for your help! |
| [20:00:45] | wagnerrp: | Steve_Goodey: you dont need a plugin for that |
| [20:00:58] | wagnerrp: | all the information you need is stored in the oldrecorded table |
| [20:01:00] | k4ever: | says "playback starting" then dumps me back to main menu after about a minute |
| [20:01:15] | wagnerrp: | k4ever: then there is something wrong with the tuner card setup |
| [20:01:33] | wagnerrp: | the backend is unable to pull video from the tuner, and unable to send video to the frontend |
| [20:01:40] | wagnerrp: | you configured it as V4L tuner? |
| [20:01:47] | k4ever: | yes |
| [20:02:16] | wagnerrp: | could you pastebin some backend logs? |
| [20:02:32] | k4ever: | how do i do that? |
| [20:02:48] | wagnerrp: | are you running mythbackend manually? or using some init scripts? |
| [20:03:35] | k4ever: | i ran it manually. in terminal i just typed "mythbackend" |
| [20:03:51] | wagnerrp: | so it should be logging straight to the terminal |
| [20:03:59] | wagnerrp: | just copy the logs from there, and paste it into a pastebin website |
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| [20:04:02] | wagnerrp: | like pastebin.com |
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| [20:05:14] | Steve_Goodey: | wagnerrp: Me slow, just spotted it's rrdtools? |
| [20:05:26] | wagnerrp: | select channel.callsign, oldrecorded.starttime, oldrecorded.endtime from oldrecorded join channel on oldrecorded.chanid=channel.chanid order by starttime desc limit 40; |
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| [20:06:40] | k4ever: | where do i get the backend log? do you want the data from the terminal output? |
| [20:06:47] | k4ever: | looks like i got a zombie frontend. not letting me kill it |
| [20:06:48] | wagnerrp: | terminal output, yes |
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| [20:07:24] | k4ever: | 2011-02–03 23:07:00.669 mythbackend version: [Unknown] www.mythtv.org |
| [20:07:24] | k4ever: | 2011-02–03 23:07:00.670 Using runtime prefix = /usr |
| [20:07:24] | k4ever: | 2011-02–03 23:07:00.670 Using configuration directory = /home/kelvin/.mythtv |
| [20:07:24] | k4ever: | 2011-02–03 23:07:00.670 Empty LocalHostName. |
| [20:07:24] | k4ever: | 2011-02–03 23:07:00.670 Using localhost value of oldtimer |
| [20:07:24] | k4ever: | 2011-02–03 23:07:00.681 New DB connection, total: 1 |
| [20:07:26] | k4ever: | 2011-02–03 23:07:00.688 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost |
| [20:07:28] | k4ever: | 2011-02–03 23:07:00.692 Closing DB connection named 'DBManager0' |
| [20:07:30] | k4ever: | 2011-02–03 23:07:00.693 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost |
| [20:07:32] | k4ever: | 2011-02–03 23:07:00.694 Current locale en_US |
| [20:07:34] | k4ever: | 2011-02–03 23:07:00.694 Reading locale defaults from /usr/share/mythtv//locales/en_us.xml |
| [20:07:35] | wagnerrp: | Steve_Goodey: actually, you would want... select channel.callsign, oldrecorded.starttime, oldrecorded.endtime from oldrecorded join channel on oldrecorded.chanid=channel.chanid where oldrecorded.recstatus=-3 order by starttime desc limit 40; |
| [20:07:36] | k4ever: | 2011-02–03 23:07:00.711 Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1264 |
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| [20:07:38] | k4ever: | 2011-02–03 23:07:00.713 ThreadPool:HTTP: Initial 1, Max 25, Timeout 60000 |
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| [20:08:05] | wagnerrp: | i did say use a pastebin website... |
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| [20:08:23] | wagnerrp: | k4ever: pasteBIN, not paste in here |
| [20:08:29] | k4ever: | guess i was not suppose to paste that way.. |
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| [20:08:36] | wagnerrp: | mythtv.pastebin.com |
| [20:08:42] | k4ever: | ok |
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| [20:10:28] | k4ever: | ok, its there |
| [20:10:40] | wagnerrp: | where? |
| [20:10:59] | wagnerrp: | you have to paste the link in here |
| [20:11:30] | k4ever: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/fGdTXEL3 |
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| [20:11:42] | k4ever: | i see an error on lines 21 and 22 |
| [20:12:35] | k4ever: | bear with me, i've only used pastebin once... |
| [20:13:36] | wagnerrp: | in the input connections, the tuner input, did you define a default channel in the dropdown? |
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| [20:16:18] | k4ever: | yes, it was set to 1. i just changed it to channel 2 |
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| [20:19:07] | wagnerrp: | those channels dont seem right |
| [20:19:15] | wagnerrp: | ive never had a tv that could tune to channe 1 |
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| [20:20:26] | k4ever: | there is no channel 1. i did not catch it at first. first channel in lineup is 2. what is the command to fill the database again? |
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| [20:22:00] | k4ever: | wow, mythfilldatabase. guess it couldn't be simpler than that |
| [20:22:40] | wagnerrp: | its a lot easier because SD support is built into mythtv |
| [20:22:54] | wagnerrp: | where SD is not available, the XMLTV grabbers can be a lot more difficult |
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| [20:41:40] | sphery: | skd5aner: you're definitely right about RMAs taking forever--glad I don't need the drive for continued operation. |
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| [20:41:56] | skd5aner: | sphery: :) |
| [20:42:16] | sphery: | last week, they acknowledged receipt and that it's in warranty and covered, but they haven't shipped anything back, yet |
| [20:42:35] | wagnerrp: | what did you have to replace? |
| [20:42:41] | sphery: | HDD |
| [20:42:47] | sphery: | seagate |
| [20:42:50] | lukeer: | Hi channel, I'd like to use the composite or SVideo input on my Pinnacle PCTV Sat. I think I set it up correctly, but when pressing "Y" during LiveTV, the screen gets black and MythTV doesn't respond to "Y" again, nor to "ESC". |
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| [20:42:51] | wagnerrp: | those usually come within a few days |
| [20:43:12] | lukeer: | mythbackend.log tells of TuneTo(1): Error, failed to find channel. |
| [20:43:57] | lukeer: | What am I supposed to look for in order to find what is not set up correctly? |
| [20:44:03] | wagnerrp: | sphery: of course my recording drives are generally out of warranty by the time i need to replace them |
| [20:44:18] | wagnerrp: | and disks on my RAID, i want them replaced now, so i do the $10-$20 for advanced replacement |
| [20:44:26] | sphery: | I shipped it on Jan 20 (USPS priority mail). They recived it on Jan 25. They ack'ed receipt/warranty/covered status on Jan 29. They still haven't shipped a replacement, yet. |
| [20:44:45] | sphery: | I didn't pay for any "ship a replacement before receipt" or anything, though |
| [20:44:50] | sphery: | think they charge for that |
| [20:44:52] | wagnerrp: | yeah, they send me a replacement drive, with a return shipment label |
| [20:44:55] | k4ever: | ok, live tv will not work. i can hear the sound try to kick in temporarily with several squelches (like it does in tvtime), but the channel doesn't tune and i'm dropped to the main menu. here is the output from the backend: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/WGpFt2r0 |
| [20:45:01] | wagnerrp: | they charge $20, and that covers shipping both ways |
| [20:45:19] | sphery: | yeah, shipping cost me $10 |
| [20:45:21] | wagnerrp: | shipping to them is likely going to be $10-$15 when you include the price of the box |
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| [20:45:33] | sphery: | heh, amazon paid for the box |
| [20:45:38] | wagnerrp: | its worth me $10 to get a replacement drive now |
| [20:45:47] | wagnerrp: | and not 3 weeks from now |
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| [20:46:05] | sphery: | and newegg provided the packing material |
| [20:46:25] | sphery: | yeah, this drive isn't that important to me... I have full capability without it |
| [20:46:39] | sphery: | it would be just extra/unused space on mythtv |
| [20:46:41] | wagnerrp: | im degraded without mine |
| [20:47:14] | sphery: | (technically, it will go into my dev box--which isn't so big a deal if I lose--and the 2TB I "borrowed" from MythTV that's currently in the dev box will go into MythTV) |
| [20:49:27] | wagnerrp: | people seem to fail to understand the absurd scale of IPv6 |
| [20:49:45] | wagnerrp: | 'oh, in another 50 years time, were going to be out of address space again' |
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| [20:52:32] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:52:45] | sphery: | we should just use 1MiB addresses |
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| [20:54:13] | wagnerrp: | when every man, woman, and child gets their own /64, weve still got several hundred thousand years of population increases at our current rate before we have to start reusing |
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| [20:55:39] | k4ever: | will someone take a look at my backend output? i can't seem to get live tv to work. posted a message a minute ago about it |
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| [20:56:54] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I need at least a /64 for my toaster |
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| [20:57:22] | wagnerrp: | does the user youre running mythbackend as have read/write access to /dev/video0 ? |
| [20:58:05] | k4ever: | let take a look... |
| [20:59:15] | k4ever: | do i need to add myself to the video group? |
| [20:59:26] | wagnerrp: | are you running mythbackend as your own user? |
| [20:59:41] | k4ever: | yes |
| [20:59:54] | wagnerrp: | if so, most linux distros give owner ship to video nodes to the video user/group |
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| [21:00:45] | wagnerrp: | note, you may have to log back in for group membership to take effect |
| [21:00:59] | k4ever: | ok, be back in a minute |
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| [21:07:21] | skd5aner: | sphery: sorry, stepped away for a while – yea, same thing when I sent back my samsung... |
| [21:08:03] | skd5aner: | sphery: acknowledged the receipt and warranty, but never heard back from them |
| [21:08:30] | skd5aner: | after about 2 weeks, I sent an email back to the email listed in the confirmation asking for status, and they replied that it shipped out the day I sent in the request |
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| [21:09:30] | sphery: | heh |
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| [21:21:57] | k4ever: | i'm having a bad day. i restarted my computer ran the mythbackend and now i get an error: MediaServer::HttpServer Create Error |
| [21:22:58] | kormoc: | because it's already running |
| [21:23:20] | wagnerrp: | ps ax | grep mythbackend |
| [21:24:43] | sphery: | likely was started by your startup scripts |
| [21:25:00] | k4ever: | should output look like this: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/2p7vMU1n |
| [21:25:43] | kormoc: | the backend is already running, yes |
| [21:25:53] | k4ever: | ok |
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| [21:32:44] | k4ever: | live tv is still not working. i get this when i run mythfrontend from a terminal and try to watch live tv: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/VqZjxJbr |
| [21:33:04] | k4ever: | where can i find the backend logs? |
| [21:33:26] | wagnerrp: | try /var/log or /var/log/mythtv/ |
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| [21:36:49] | skd5aner: | wow, lots of UPnP/DLNA tickets in Jan |
| [21:37:00] | skd5aner: | everyone getting new devices over Christmas and exploring? |
| [21:37:38] | wagnerrp: | would seem so |
| [21:38:41] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: you say you cycle your UPS batteries every year? |
| [21:40:35] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [21:41:02] | wagnerrp: | looking at replacing mine, ive got one long since dead unit, and one thats probably not good for more than a couple minutes |
| [21:41:09] | wagnerrp: | $17/battery, 2/unit |
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| [21:41:48] | Gibby: | wagnerrp: where do you get your batteries? |
| [21:42:02] | wagnerrp: | Gibby: they come with the UPS |
| [21:42:08] | wagnerrp: | never replaced them |
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| [21:42:31] | kormoc: | I buy mine from APC and ship them back the old ones |
| [21:42:36] | kormoc: | the return shipping is the killer |
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| [21:43:28] | Gibby: | ahh oh ok, i just 12 of mine about 6 months ago, ended up getting them from amazon #$%% of lot cheaper than getting the from APC |
| [21:43:29] | wagnerrp: | do they give you a refund for recycling them? |
| [21:43:48] | k4ever: | seems i can't set my ~/Videos directory for recordings. what directory is good to set for this? |
| [21:43:49] | Gibby: | they give you a credit on new batteries |
| [21:44:16] | sphery: | k4ever: may want to restart your input connections configuration... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [21:44:20] | wagnerrp: | how much of a credit? |
| [21:44:46] | kormoc: | Gibby, hrm... I've never gotten one? |
| [21:44:48] | Gibby: | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002ILJZ0/ref=oss_product those i think are the ones i got |
| [21:45:02] | Gibby: | yeah should get credit for batteries and old UPS you send back |
| [21:45:17] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: you can dump them at any local hardware store |
| [21:45:39] | wagnerrp: | http://www.call2recycle.org/ |
| [21:45:53] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I know if you recycle the old ones, they extend the warrantee on the hardware for another 2 years. |
| [21:45:54] | sphery: | k4ever: generally, you don't want service data stored in a user's home directory... so use /srv/mythtv/Videos (or, if you have a distro that doesn't follow FHS, use /var/lib/mythtv/Videos or whatever) |
| [21:45:59] | wagnerrp: | lowes, home depot, radioshack, and a bunch of other places all take used batteries |
| [21:46:08] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, including the 100k equipment protection thing-a-ma-bob |
| [21:46:22] | wagnerrp: | ah, didnt know that protection ever ran out |
| [21:46:49] | wagnerrp: | although i suppose after market batteries would void that warranty anyway |
| [21:46:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, protection schemes don't work unless you pay your protection money |
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| [21:47:07] | sphery: | I learned this the day the cops burned down my restaurant |
| [21:47:12] | sphery: | oh, wait, that was a movie... nvm. |
| [21:48:09] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: does mysql not fsync after each transaction? |
| [21:48:29] | Gibby: | lol, 2 of my APC UPS had the same battery as what i got from amazon, just with APC's sticker over their sticker |
| [21:48:34] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, depends |
| [21:48:41] | wagnerrp: | Gibby: and the wiring harness |
| [21:49:02] | wagnerrp: | i had been holding off doing it, since i figured the wiring harness was integral to the batteries |
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| [21:49:13] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, engines do different things, and there are settings to control that |
| [21:50:03] | k4ever: | so I need to create the Videos directory in /var/lib/mythtv ? |
| [21:50:22] | wagnerrp: | k4ever: do you have random videos you want to use with mythtv? or just recordings? |
| [21:50:43] | k4ever: | recordings |
| [21:50:57] | wagnerrp: | if you only have recordings, than there is no need to define folders for mythvideo to use |
| [21:51:08] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo being for any video playback of content not recorded |
| [21:51:41] | k4ever: | what about the default storage group directory? |
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| [21:52:12] | wagnerrp: | add whatever directory you want to record in to the Default storage group |
| [21:52:31] | wagnerrp: | the /var/lib/mythtv stuff is something mythbuntu has chosen as the best place to put that |
| [21:52:34] | sphery: | k4ever: if you have mythtv storing recordings in /var/lib/mythtv, don't put /var/lib/mythtv/Videos in place... if it's going to something like /var/lib/mythtv/recordings (and mythtv groups all the mythtv data), then /var/lib/mythtv/Videos is fine |
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| [21:52:38] | wagnerrp: | but IMHO, its a terrible place for it |
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| [21:53:37] | k4ever: | directory is not writeable |
| [21:54:10] | wagnerrp: | then change the permissions on that one, or delete that one and add one that the 'mythtv' user does have permissions |
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| [21:58:43] | k4ever: | let me backup. i checked the log for the backend. it has an error: Error: Opening file '/home/kelvin/Videos/1002_20110204002951.nuv'. eno: Permission denied (13) |
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| [21:59:50] | skd5aner: | I always get my UPS batteries at a local battery shop usually |
| [22:00:04] | skd5aner: | who wants to ship a block of lead? |
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| [22:00:19] | kormoc: | skd5aner, I did that once, then the battery failed and almost burned down my house |
| [22:00:25] | k4ever: | read that i should not use that directory, suggested /var/lib/mythtv. tried to set that directory. get permission error |
| [22:00:39] | kormoc: | k4ever, so fix the permissions |
| [22:00:43] | k4ever: | ..i just want to watch live tv |
| [22:00:43] | skd5aner: | kormoc: litterally flamed out? |
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| [22:01:28] | kormoc: | skd5aner, the battery went into a bit of a thermal runaway. I came home to some papers next to it browning. If I didn't get home just in time.... |
| [22:01:42] | skd5aner: | yikes |
| [22:01:55] | skd5aner: | I had a similiar story once about 5 years ago... |
| [22:02:50] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: store your UPSs in ceramic pots |
| [22:03:21] | k4ever: | kormoc: the permission for that directory are set for user mythtv group mythtv with full read/write |
| [22:03:30] | kormoc: | I'm actually thinking of dumping the ups now that I'm downtown |
| [22:03:42] | kormoc: | we don't have power events down here really |
| [22:04:39] | sphery: | kormoc: since I dumped UPSs, I've never had better uptime on my network |
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| [22:04:51] | k4ever: | ..so why won't mythtv write to it when it is the owner of the folder |
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| [22:05:17] | sphery: | the UPSs would stop sending power until someone pushed a button to reset the circuit breaker on them |
| [22:05:17] | kormoc: | k4ever, is the backend running as user mythtv? |
| [22:05:24] | sphery: | not good when you're 1000mi away |
| [22:05:25] | kormoc: | sphery, youch |
| [22:05:33] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: if hes using the init scripts, it should be |
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| [22:06:16] | k4ever: | it should. it started on boot |
| [22:06:24] | k4ever: | how do i check? |
| [22:07:23] | skd5aner: | I lived in an apartment, built in the 90s I would guess... anyway, the air exchange blower was located off the living room (yea, noisy) and one morning around 7AM I woke up and thought I was smelt burning, but it was winter so i thought it could have been a fireplace, etc... |
| [22:07:59] | skd5aner: | then I walked out in my living room, and it was a tiny bit smokey, and I couldn't figure out what the heck was going on |
| [22:08:17] | skd5aner: | I turned off the air handler to stop moving air if there was a fire... |
| [22:08:48] | skd5aner: | then I noticed that's wher the smell was coming from, took off the cover and they left the installation instruction book sitting on top of the motor where the wiring connected :P |
| [22:08:58] | skd5aner: | it was turning to ashes |
| [22:09:01] | kormoc: | Wowzers! |
| [22:11:05] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I don't like this Matthew McClement guy |
| [22:11:58] | k4ever: | great! now i get this error: TV Error: StartRecorder() — timed out waiting for recorder to start TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started |
| [22:12:33] | k4ever: | i've been working on this for 3 hours. this is frustrating. |
| [22:13:48] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: eh? |
| [22:14:02] | wagnerrp: | mailing list? |
| [22:14:29] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, implying that a NCQ depth of 31 512k blocks is why you get 3x write speed over read speed on rotating media |
| [22:14:32] | kormoc: | aye, mailing list |
| [22:14:47] | kormoc: | 16k of cache! That's why I can write so fast!11!1!!! |
| [22:15:03] | wagnerrp: | i have never seen another benchmark that ever put write performance over read |
| [22:15:13] | wagnerrp: | except on battery backed write-back RAID cards |
| [22:15:20] | kormoc: | Exactly |
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| [22:28:13] | MylesMan: | can i get some assistance w/setting up my remote plz? |
| [22:29:00] | MylesMan: | just to work the frontend |
| [22:29:27] | wagnerrp: | is your remote already set up in linux? |
| [22:29:42] | wagnerrp: | i.e.: you can run 'irw' and see events coming out of it |
| [22:30:01] | MylesMan: | irw in terminal |
| [22:30:03] | MylesMan: | ? |
| [22:30:15] | wagnerrp: | yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss sssssssssssssssssssss |
| [22:30:19] | wagnerrp: | gah |
| [22:30:24] | MylesMan: | ok |
| [22:30:51] | skd5aner: | it's official, wagnerrp is a snake |
| [22:31:33] | MylesMan: | lirc isnt installed i'll do that first |
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| [22:34:26] | sceo: | Since switching to PulseAudio, things are working more or less the way I want, with the exception of the video being behind the audio about 200ms. I can fix by settings the audio sync to +200ms or so. Is there a way to either (1) use alsa but leave pulse running/don't suspend it, (2) fix the latency issue properly, or (3) set a default audio-sync adjustment that's automatically enabled? |
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| [22:35:00] | wagnerrp: | sceo: the correct solution is... switch back to alsa and uninstall pulseaudio |
| [22:36:13] | sceo: | Is there an incorrect solution, then? I recently switched to pulse so I could throw my laptop audio to my main mythbox (which is connected to my Bose system). It's greatly preferred to listen on the Bose than on my laptop speakers. :) |
| [22:36:26] | wagnerrp: | use Jack instead? |
| [22:38:08] | sceo: | touche. |
| [22:38:33] | k4ever: | i'm giving up on mythtv. 3 and half hours of configuration, $5 for a tv guide subscription, and it won't even play live tv. this is ridiculous. i'm angry and frustrated |
| [22:40:44] | MylesMan: | I've spent the last two weeks |
| [22:41:10] | k4ever: | your kidding? is it working? |
| [22:42:14] | MylesMan: | between switching distros etc |
| [22:42:23] | MylesMan: | for the most part |
| [22:42:35] | MylesMan: | i'm determined tho |
| [22:42:50] | MylesMan: | as i hate my providers pvr |
| [22:43:51] | sceo: | it's pretty awesome when you get it running. but it has to be kind of a labor of love. |
| [22:43:51] | jcarlos: | Can I hide the DVD/VCD options in the menu of mythvideo plugin ? (I have no DVD/VCD drive) |
| [22:44:02] | devinheitmueller: | Only 3 and a half hours of configuration? You should feel lucky. Many people spend five times that to get their setup working. |
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| [22:44:17] | kormoc: | k4ever, SD gives you a free 1 week trial. You didn't have to pay for it until it was setup |
| [22:44:28] | k4ever: | shouldn't there be an easier way to set this up by now. mythtv has been around for a long time now. it seems that set-up gets harder and harder. after reading the setup guide, searching google, and coming to here should this thing work now? |
| [22:44:41] | devinheitmueller: | And of course, you're entitled to a full refund of all the money you've given to the MythTV developers who have spent tens of thousands of hours building it. |
| [22:44:58] | sceo: | when I build I start by researching and getting hardware tha'ts known to work. then I use mythbuntu and a looooot of the magic happens for me. |
| [22:44:59] | kormoc: | k4ever, you've run into basic OS issues, not mythtv issues |
| [22:45:16] | kormoc: | k4ever, and you didn't pastebin the backend log for the failed live tv session for us to look at |
| [22:45:52] | devinheitmueller: | kormoc: it's also possible he's got a driver issue. I never validated the 850 under MythTV. |
| [22:46:14] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
| [22:46:21] | k4ever: | it's just frustrating all around. i didn't mean to insult the developers. |
| [22:46:37] | k4ever: | standby for the output |
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| [22:46:59] | devinheitmueller: | Oh wait, this is the au0828 based 850? Do you have the "options xc5000 no_poweroff=1" modprobe option? |
| [22:47:05] | kormoc: | k4ever, Sure, but you really should separate OS issues from myth ones. |
| [22:47:31] | kormoc: | devinheitmueller, I have a feeling this is his first linux experience so might need a bit more of a walk-through |
| [22:47:47] | devinheitmueller: | There's a known issue where MythTV times out on livetv startup with the au0828 because of the initial xc5000 loading time. |
| [22:48:08] | wagnerrp: | k4ever: the issue is the all the mythtv developers already have systems set up and dont need to do so again. further, they already know what theyre doing, and exactly what needs to be done to set up mythtv |
| [22:48:30] | MylesMan: | i'll brb and give an update upon return |
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| [22:48:43] | wagnerrp: | we know there are serious setup difficulties in mythtv, but its hard for a developer to take a step back, and look at what would make it better |
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| [22:48:48] | k4ever: | sorry, i've been using linux since 1997. this is the first time i've used mythtv to view live tv. i used to use it for videos and music. |
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| [22:49:15] | kormoc: | k4ever, fair 'nuff. I just wouldn't have expected permissions to trip you up that much given your experience |
| [22:49:17] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [22:49:42] | wagnerrp: | its a problem that plagues many open source projects with no trained UI designers |
| [22:50:29] | wagnerrp: | we know what makes sense to us, and its hard to think of what would make sense to someone who doesnt understand the terminology |
| [22:51:48] | k4ever: | what trip me up was the fact that the permission were set right. didn't know which user (me, mythv) was trying to write to the folder. |
| [22:52:18] | k4ever: | here is the output from the frontend: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/vj6ZVxie |
| [22:52:57] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, this is the 7000ms startup issue. Add that xc5000 modprobe option. |
| [22:52:58] | kormoc: | backend output is what we need |
| [22:53:03] | kormoc: | or that :) |
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| [22:53:50] | devinheitmueller: | The frontend doesn't show any intermediate dialog when the tuner is initializing, so if the initialization takes more than 7 seconds the frontend will timeout. |
| [22:54:05] | devinheitmueller: | Adding that option will cause the tuner to not be powered down, so the firmware reload will not be required. |
| [22:54:10] | k4ever: | here is the rather long backend output from the log: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/b1aKMt3C |
| [22:57:16] | k4ever: | devinheitmueller: what is the option i'm adding? do i add to /etc/modules? |
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| [22:57:47] | devinheitmueller: | I usually create a file called /etc/modprobe.d/xc5000.conf with the following content: |
| [22:57:54] | devinheitmueller: | options xc5000 no_poweroff=1 |
| [22:58:19] | k4ever: | thanks. just found it in google also. long day |
| [22:58:30] | kormoc: | Beirdo, so FYI, the last ipv4 was assigned to the regional IRs and so they're still available for distribution |
| [22:58:32] | devinheitmueller: | Then if you want to see if it's working run tvtime, exit, and then run tvtime again. The first tvtime startup will take about ten seconds before you see a picture. The second startup will show TV instantaneous. |
| [22:59:31] | devinheitmueller: | Look at the bright side, *I* had to recompile mythbackend, break out GDB and debug the kernel driver to figure out what the problem was. |
| [22:59:33] | devinheitmueller: | :-) |
| [22:59:53] | Beirdo: | kormoc: yeah, that's what I was saying. No /8 left, they are all assigned to registrars |
| [23:00:07] | Beirdo: | next step is registrars run out of /24 to assign |
| [23:00:09] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [23:00:29] | kormoc: | sure, but it means we're pretty far away from running out of free ones |
| [23:01:07] | uW: | i would say super far away...nat killed ipv6 |
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| [23:01:57] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [23:02:02] | Beirdo: | we are < 1 year away |
| [23:02:18] | k4ever: | do i only need to reload the xc5000 module? |
| [23:02:39] | Beirdo: | now, the ISPs and companies that the registrars assign to may not be using them fully, but they will be running out very soon |
| [23:02:44] | devinheitmueller: | You should be able to unplug the device and unload/reload the driver. Or just reboot. |
| [23:04:16] | k4ever: | startup time on tvtime is the same both times. |
| [23:04:30] | devinheitmueller: | Then you probably goofed setting up the modules. Did you reboot? |
| [23:04:55] | k4ever: | ..after unplugging the card. rebooting now. be right back |
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| [23:10:11] | MylesMan: | ok progress slightly... i have to run modprobe pvrusb2 and mythtv setup and re-affirm the capture card each boot or i get an error when watching live tv |
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| [23:13:41] | MylesMan: | firefox |
| [23:13:50] | MylesMan: | woops lol |
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| [23:16:26] | k4ever: | rebooted and tvtime is refusing to work now. i used these instructions to create the files in /etc/modprobe.d: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/469873 |
| [23:17:25] | k4ever: | still getting: Error, timed out after 7000 ms |
| [23:17:52] | devinheitmueller: | Sounds like a configuration issue. What is tvtime saying? |
| [23:18:29] | clever: | k4ever: what is the module called? |
| [23:18:53] | k4ever: | xc5000 |
| [23:18:58] | k4ever: | Running tvtime 1.0.2. |
| [23:18:59] | k4ever: | Reading configuration from /etc/tvtime/tvtime.xml |
| [23:18:59] | k4ever: | Reading configuration from /home/kelvin/.tvtime/tvtime.xml |
| [23:19:20] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: wonder if the recent change to up the live tv timeout to 10s would fix the au0828 timeout issues |
| [23:19:22] | k4ever: | nothing after that just sits there |
| [23:19:43] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: was it increased to ten seconds? I suggested that about a year ago, but wasn't aware that anyone actually did it. |
| [23:19:56] | devinheitmueller: | k4ever: anything in dmesg output? |
| [23:21:44] | k4ever: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/H6Za37kx |
| [23:22:14] | clever: | k4ever: if you cd /sys/module/xc5000/parameters and read each file (with cat), are the parameters you set, set properly? |
| [23:22:16] | devinheitmueller: | k4ever: did you stop the backend? |
| [23:22:27] | devinheitmueller: | You cannot run tvtime while mythbackend is running. |
| [23:22:45] | wagnerrp: | well you can if you tell mythtv to release tuners when not in use |
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| [23:23:25] | k4ever: | no i did not stop the backend. tvtime fired right up with the backend up before. standby i will stop it now |
| [23:23:54] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/925077254 (was the backport to 0.24-fixes), where RingBuffer::kLiveTVOpenTimeout = 10000; |
| [23:24:30] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: Well, that's good, assuming ten seconds was actually enough (I don't remember). In k4ever's case though, he clearly has an older rev since I can see it timing out after 7000ms. |
| [23:24:32] | sphery: | seems there are many places that had timeouts, we had a default timeout (2s) in a chain that was affecting live tv |
| [23:24:45] | sphery: | yeah, it's brand new |
| [23:24:51] | sphery: | most -fixes users won't have it |
| [23:24:57] | devinheitmueller: | gotcha. |
| [23:24:59] | sphery: | less than a week old |
| [23:25:27] | sphery: | and many *buntu users are on 0.23-fixes, too, so they won't have it |
| [23:25:49] | devinheitmueller: | Too many drivers, too little time. :-/ |
| [23:26:34] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [23:26:48] | MylesMan: | my tuner card isnt being recognized at boot i have to modprobe then rerun mtv setup/capture cards to initialize it any ideas? |
| [23:26:57] | sphery: | today I've done 2 extraneous changes rather than actually work on the new functionality patches I'm doing for MythTV |
| [23:27:04] | k4ever: | stopped backend. tvtime still hangs. did i do a good job of creating the modprobe.d config files? seem to stop working after i created them |
| [23:27:09] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: I did finally kill a couple of hours yesterday and get the MediaMVP-HD working with MythTV's uPNP server though. |
| [23:27:18] | kormoc: | MylesMan, add it to your module boot load list? |
| [23:27:20] | sphery: | I'm in a "can't decide which approach is best" state right now, so I'm stalling :) |
| [23:27:42] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: nice... many will love that |
| [23:27:43] | MylesMan: | @kormoc how? |
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| [23:27:50] | kormoc: | MylesMan, depends on the distro |
| [23:27:55] | kormoc: | which you've never stated |
| [23:27:59] | MylesMan: | ubu |
| [23:28:01] | kormoc: | and I'm sure google knows as well |
| [23:28:02] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: Well, I don't know how many users are actually effected. I've only heard a couple of complaints. |
| [23:28:10] | sphery: | especially since so many UPnP clients lack good CODEC support (many of them not doing MPEG-2 and/or MPEG-TS) |
| [23:28:20] | kormoc: | MylesMan, Never used Ubuntu, so I wouldn't know |
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| [23:28:34] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: Yeah, this device is pretty good in that regard, since there is no need to transcode anything to H.264. |
| [23:28:36] | sphery: | seems a lot of people are trying to find good UPnP clients so they don't have to "buy a full computer" |
| [23:29:41] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, I really would have liked the MediaMVP-HD to be the "go to" product for MythTV users, but I haven't invested enough time to really have that expectation. |
| [23:29:44] | sphery: | OK, so now that I've done stalled with a couple of extraneous changes, I think I'll switch to a different new-functionality patch and see if I can make some progress on it |
| [23:30:35] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: yeah, would be great if some of those who want cheap upnp clients would invest some time in doing patches that allow it better access to mythtv functionality (including things like skip lists and cut lists) |
| [23:30:39] | k4ever: | only two files in /sys/module/xc5000/parameters. debug which is set to 1 and no_poweroff which is also set to 1 |
| [23:31:18] | k4ever: | i'm using LMDE btw |
| [23:31:25] | wagnerrp: | lmde? |
| [23:31:28] | sphery: | k4ever: did you reboot (or, at minimum, rmmod/modprobe) after creating your modprobe.d/*.conf file? |
| [23:31:38] | k4ever: | i rebooted |
| [23:31:40] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: I do like that the device only consumes about 5 watts while doing HD playback, and there is no crap for users to go through to make HDMI audio or remote control support work (two of the most common problems users have getting a new frontend working). |
| [23:31:47] | k4ever: | linux mint debian edition |
| [23:33:05] | sphery: | yeah, configuration of system-level stuff is still a huge challenge (and MythTV doesn't make it much better by supporting infinite varieties of low-level configurations--provided you give MythTV the right info) |
| [23:33:16] | sceo: | welp, the environment var to keep pulse around works for me (along with setting my audio back to ALSA:Default) – thanks to all the devs for everything; I love this software! |
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| [23:34:10] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: Does the Myth advertise the skip lists via uPNP in any way? |
| [23:34:25] | k4ever: | sphery: i created two files: local.conf and xc5000.conf with the same parameters in each. i'm thinking about deleting the local.conf file and seeing if that clears this up a little |
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| [23:36:09] | sphery: | ok, for those who haven't bought in to the git hype, yet, I have to admit that it made finding the commit that removed PlaybackBox::cutDown() significantly easier. Used git grep 'PlaybackBox::cutDown' $(git rev-list --all — programs/mythfrontend/playbackbox.cpp) — programs/mythfrontend/playbackbox.cpp to find the last revision of playbackbox.cpp that had the function, then used git rev-list --all — ... |
| [23:36:15] | sphery: | ... programs/mythfrontend/playbackbox.cpp to find the revision that came before that . |
| [23:36:20] | sphery: | That said, I'll admit that the syntax is far from intuitive |
| [23:36:52] | sphery: | but was much nicer than the manual binary search using trac |
| [23:37:29] | sphery: | k4ever: yeah, you should only have the option in a single file... it probably wouldn't hurt anything if it's in 2 (if it's identical in both) |
| [23:38:02] | sphery: | k4ever: did you pastebin the contents of the file (or at least paste the exact line you put into it)? |
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| [23:38:34] | k4ever: | options xc5000 no_poweroff=1 debug=1 |
| [23:39:01] | kormoc: | sphery, you could just loop over svn diff cycling back revision by revision until you found a – line with that function name |
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| [23:40:17] | k4ever: | that did it! guess it doesn't like to have more than one file with the same data in it. tvtime works fine now. even starts up instantly on second try |
| [23:40:30] | k4ever: | will try mythtv now |
| [23:40:50] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, I'm sure it's possible to do something similar. I just liked that I could use the output of git rev-list (which shows all the revisions for the file in question) in the git grep command |
| [23:41:12] | sphery: | I don't know if svn's stuff is similarly "chainable" |
| [23:41:31] | kormoc: | not without using a little bash magic |
| [23:41:48] | sphery: | basically, I grep'ed one file and only the revisions where that file changed |
| [23:42:08] | sphery: | it was actually pretty quick to find--even though it was removed 7 1/2 years ago |
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| [23:42:58] | sphery: | with SVN, I would have just gotten the file in Trac's browser, then Ctrl-F'ed it, then gone back to a very low-numbered revision (that has it), then binary searched |
| [23:43:35] | sphery: | with git, I couldn't really do that since I didn't know the hashes to use for "very old revision", etc. So, if nothing else, git's complexity made me search for a better approach |
| [23:43:52] | k4ever: | that worked! mythtv now displays live tv on my system! now i have a new problem, the channels did not tune right so i get some pretty colors and a lot of static. |
| [23:44:32] | sphery: | k4ever: how did you get your initial channels? You did Fetch channels from listings provider, right (not a channel scan) |
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| [23:45:00] | k4ever: | yes from the list provider |
| [23:45:20] | k4ever: | no scanned channels |
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| [23:46:11] | sphery: | hmmm... might want to try some different channels |
| [23:46:47] | kormoc: | different frequency table |
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| [23:47:14] | k4ever: | i'm using AFN |
| [23:47:36] | wagnerrp: | presumably theyre still using NTSC |
| [23:47:54] | wagnerrp: | well they would have to be if you can get that card working with tvtime |
| [23:48:01] | kormoc: | us-bcast? |
| [23:48:10] | kormoc: | that's not the default one we have selected, is it? |
| [23:48:14] | k4ever: | yes and yes |
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| [23:48:27] | kormoc: | does it look right in tvtime? |
| [23:48:29] | k4ever: | standby on the default |
| [23:48:39] | k4ever: | yes, tvtime works fine |
| [23:49:55] | k4ever: | tv format: NTSC |
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| [23:50:17] | k4ever: | VBI format: NTSC Closed Caption |
| [23:50:33] | k4ever: | Channel frequency table: us-bcast |
| [23:50:47] | k4ever: | local time zone: auto |
| [23:51:25] | kormoc: | tv time should tell you some frequency information it's using, perhaps it's auto-detcting something different |
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| [23:52:52] | sphery: | I'll change the default. |
| [23:54:55] | k4ever: | tvtime is using ntsc. having a hard time figuring out how to check the channel information |
| [23:56:11] | sphery: | k4ever: change it to us-cable |
| [23:56:35] | k4ever: | ok |
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| [23:58:15] | sphery: | ok, maybe I won't change the default... us-bcast is still relevant for atsc |
| [23:58:18] | k4ever: | do i need to run mythfilldatabase afterwards? |
| [23:58:31] | sphery: | k4ever: no, only when you change what channels are available |
| [23:58:35] | wagnerrp: | you only need to run MFD manually if you change your channel lineup |
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