| Tuesday, February 1st, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:34] | aputerboy: | The error I get is: 2011-01–31 18:53:00.274 TV: Changing from WatchingPreRecorded to None ASSERT failure in QCoreApplication::sendEvent: "Cannot send events to objects owned by a different thread. Current thread fc57790. Receiver '' (of type 'Preview Generator') was created in thread 30d46d70", file kernel\qcoreapplication.cpp, line 348 This application has requested the Runtime to... |
| [00:00:36] | aputerboy: | ...terminate it in an unusual way. Please contact the application's support team for more information. |
| [00:03:28] | kormoc: | file a ticket |
| [00:03:43] | wagnerrp: | i think there already is one filed |
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| [00:08:12] | aputerboy: | wagnerrp – do you know what bug it was (I have been searching the bug tracker)? I want to make sure it is the same |
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| [00:09:39] | sphery: | OK, so why would it be that whenever I go to recharge the batteries from my remote, 2 of them are basically at 0 charge and 2 are at about 50% charge? |
| [00:09:48] | wagnerrp: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9196 |
| [00:10:13] | sphery: | just some bad electronics design or would it have something to do with the (identical model rechargeable NiMH) batteries |
| [00:13:59] | aputerboy: | wagner – I saw that one but my error code is different plus that bug registers as fixed 2 months ago and I am having problems with a relatively recent version Git-101 |
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| [00:14:49] | wagnerrp: | [27364] |
| [00:14:49] | MythLogBot: | SVN 27364: (branch fixes/0.24) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/549fca14 |
| [00:17:40] | aputerboy: | wagner – How does that numbering system compare with my binary version that I downloaded that is labeled git-101? (I just want to know whether it is earlier or later than the fix you posted ) |
| [00:18:01] | wagnerrp: | i was just checking to see if it was actually backported to 0.24 |
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| [00:19:54] | aputerboy: | the weird thing is that if i wait a few seconds between starting/stopping then it is less likely to crash. But if I start/stop video immediately after another command, then it almost always crashes. Is that consistent with the bug fix? |
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| [00:20:46] | kormoc: | aputerboy, the 101 is entirely meaningless |
| [00:21:01] | kormoc: | (to us) |
| [00:21:05] | aputerboy: | kormoc – ooops lol |
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| [00:21:29] | aputerboy: | i don't know much about git and was used to the svn numbering but thought maybe it meant something lol |
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| [00:22:12] | kormoc: | sadly the only thing that matters in git is hashes and they change... |
| [00:22:35] | wagnerrp: | aputerboy: if your version is numbered 'git-101', then you screwed up when compiling the windows build |
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| [00:23:14] | aputerboy: | 'twasn't me – luckily or unluckily I have no idea how to compile under Windows – I use the pre-build referenced on the Wiki from some guy in Australia |
| [00:23:32] | wagnerrp: | it should be the output of 'git describe', which is the version, commits since the last tag, and shortened hash |
| [00:23:44] | kormoc: | least it wasn't on a .ru domain |
| [00:23:45] | aputerboy: | he just switched over to GIT and that was the number he attached |
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| [00:24:04] | wagnerrp: | something like 'v0.24-142-f789ad3ef |
| [00:24:08] | aputerboy: | kormoc – lol – and it didn't even come with any porn attached |
| [00:25:19] | aputerboy: | is there anybody out there who does reliable Windows builds and is willing to distribute the binaries even if unofficially |
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| [00:33:17] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, holy crap! Someone is sending ebuild updates to us rather then forking to their own tree! |
| [00:33:57] | kormoc: | isn't the theme chooser in 0.24? |
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| [00:36:23] | qwerty___: | aputerboy: I think mythbutu does. |
| [00:36:42] | iamlindoro: | mythbuntu != Windows |
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| [00:37:46] | qwerty___: | iamlindoro: the cd prompted me to install when I put the cd in on my windows partition. I didn't install it so I can't say first hand if it does. |
| [00:38:01] | iamlindoro: | It prompts you to install Ubuntu/Mythbuntu from windows |
| [00:38:05] | iamlindoro: | not MythTV for Windows |
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| [00:46:05] | aputerboy: | that's too bad – the wikki page about compiling the binaries yourself is a bit daunting in that it requires an overnight compile and probably needs a lot of stuff I don't have on my Windows machine |
| [00:46:09] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: yes it is |
| [00:46:25] | wagnerrp: | (hence why no myththemes ebuilds would be accepted) |
| [00:46:36] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, aye, just making sure I wasn't on crack (more then usual) |
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| [00:52:50] | wagnerrp: | either way, ive never actually run apache under gentoo, much less have any idea how the framework is set up |
| [00:53:35] | wagnerrp: | kormoc_afk: and its not actually a new ebuild, its just a small modification to the eclass to allow the mythweb and myththemes repositories |
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| [00:54:30] | wagnerrp: | that means the updater will need to be updated to support those as well |
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| [01:07:28] | wagnerrp: | sphery: didnt you say fringe was on its last season? |
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| [01:09:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, funny timing--I just started up playback of Friday's episode |
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| [01:09:18] | sphery: | I only said that it's looking a lot like it's getting the typical Fox treatment |
| [01:09:22] | sphery: | moved to Friday night |
| [01:09:25] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [01:09:34] | sphery: | good enough that I expect them to cancel it |
| [01:09:53] | sphery: | as a matter of fact, based on description for this show, it's looking like they're wrapping up story lines... |
| [01:10:03] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
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| [01:10:21] | darkdrgn2k: | lol ok i think i got a bit futher |
| [01:10:27] | darkdrgn2k: | now i get |
| [01:10:28] | darkdrgn2k: | 2011-01–31 20:11:36.022 ChannelBase: Could not find input: Composite on card when setting channel 1030 |
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| [01:12:09] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, latest looks reasonably good: http://www.entertainmentbeacon.com/news/telev . . . hly-possible |
| [01:12:28] | darkdrgn2k: | ok wow something is wrong lol |
| [01:12:58] | darkdrgn2k: | http://pastebin.com/Tt0ZyUHF |
| [01:13:01] | sphery: | darkdrgn2k: sounds like you need to do the Capture Card portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 (won't affect channels or video sources) |
| [01:13:12] | darkdrgn2k: | "4.2011-01–31 20:14:08.710 MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: Device error detected" |
| [01:13:33] | sphery: | did you just upgrade your system or something? |
| [01:13:40] | sphery: | (like outside of MythTV upgrades) |
| [01:13:46] | darkdrgn2k: | lOl scrubbed actualy |
| [01:13:55] | darkdrgn2k: | new install |
| [01:13:59] | darkdrgn2k: | what did i scre up :-S |
| [01:14:03] | sphery: | then do the capture card portion of the above |
| [01:14:18] | sphery: | new install with restored database, right? |
| [01:14:31] | darkdrgn2k: | nop |
| [01:14:33] | darkdrgn2k: | clean databse |
| [01:14:41] | sphery: | oh, then not sure |
| [01:14:45] | darkdrgn2k: | pulled the lineup from SD |
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| [01:14:47] | sphery: | might be misconfigured cards/inputs |
| [01:14:50] | darkdrgn2k: | vidoe is super choppy |
| [01:15:00] | sphery: | but might be underlying system |
| [01:15:14] | darkdrgn2k: | cpu only at 5%.... |
| [01:15:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: what's your card, a pvr-150 iirc? ^ sounds like you're not using the proper video driver... |
| [01:15:29] | darkdrgn2k: | J-e-f-f-A: this one ->HDPVR |
| [01:15:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: ah, h.264. How fast is your CPU? |
| [01:16:00] | darkdrgn2k: | jefmodel name : AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 620 Processor |
| [01:16:10] | darkdrgn2k: | plays 1080p mkvs no problem |
| [01:16:26] | darkdrgn2k: | cpu is only at about 5%.. |
| [01:16:31] | darkdrgn2k: | keep getting errors |
| [01:16:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: ^ right, but "1080p mkvs' means nothing... ie: bitrate, etc... are you using vdpau? |
| [01:16:51] | darkdrgn2k: | J-e-f-f-A: no |
| [01:16:59] | darkdrgn2k: | J-e-f-f-A: plays BLURAYs no problem too |
| [01:17:09] | darkdrgn2k: | vdpau supported... but not using it |
| [01:17:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: also, since re-building my system on an x4 640, my mb usb ports seem to be a little 'finnicky' with respect to the HD-PVRs. (I have two) |
| [01:17:39] | darkdrgn2k: | http://pastebin.com/Hw1Gif0B |
| [01:17:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: What driver are you using for video? |
| [01:17:53] | darkdrgn2k: | binary nvidia |
| [01:18:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | that doesn't look good... |
| [01:18:54] | darkdrgn2k: | ...hmmm looks like one of the usb devices is foobared... not on the same bus though |
| [01:19:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | Did you setup your Capture card right? It should be a "H.264 encoder card (HD-PVR)" |
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| [01:20:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | The log you pasted almost seems to imply you set it up as a "Hardware MPEG encoder"... <just guessing> |
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| [01:21:03] | darkdrgn2k: | ill check |
| [01:21:44] | darkdrgn2k: | just bootin |
| [01:22:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: I have two HD-PVRs, and on my new MB, they were getting errors from time-to-time. I fiddled around with different USB ports (My MB has something like 16 ports on 8 controllers), and eventually found a controller that they behaved perfectly on – 0 errors in the 5 days of uptime since that switch... |
| [01:22:05] | Twiggy2cents: | Hey all, do I put my mythfilldatabase options in the "mythfilldatabase arguments" in mythtv setup? |
| [01:22:45] | darkdrgn2k: | keep getting |
| [01:22:46] | darkdrgn2k: | "[ 40.412110] hub 3–0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 4 |
| [01:22:46] | darkdrgn2k: | " |
| [01:23:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | Twiggy2cents: ayup – as long as you're having the backend run it. ;-) |
| [01:23:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: does your hd-pvr show up as a video device? |
| [01:24:08] | darkdrgn2k: | very odd |
| [01:24:12] | darkdrgn2k: | it was set for mpeg |
| [01:24:16] | darkdrgn2k: | but i REMEMBER selecting component... |
| [01:24:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: dmesg |grep -i hdpvr |
| [01:25:17] | darkdrgn2k: | [ 7.123287] hdpvr 3–1:1.0: firmware version 0x15 dated Jun 17 2010 09:26:53 |
| [01:25:17] | darkdrgn2k: | [ 7.387551] hdpvr 3–1:1.0: device now attached to video0 |
| [01:25:33] | Twiggy2cents: | thanks J-e-f-f-A |
| [01:25:34] | Twiggy2cents: | Do I want anything other than --dd-grab-all? Any other options that are good to have? |
| [01:25:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: Ok, the driver was loaded by the kernel. |
| [01:26:57] | darkdrgn2k: | wierd... no i dont get any video |
| [01:26:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | Twiggy2cents: If I understand it correctly, you don't want that option in there for a normal 'daily' update – just when you're running it for the first time... |
| [01:27:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: Did you select the audio input properly and is the audio cable connected? |
| [01:28:15] | darkdrgn2k: | J-e-f-f-A: i had problem with optical bypas so at the moment audio is not connected |
| [01:28:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: I'd follow sphery's instructions on re-doing the capture card. |
| [01:28:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: Well, switch it to Analog then – IIRC, if you select the digital audio, and there is no audio present, it won't record. |
| [01:28:54] | Twiggy2cents: | J-e-f-f-A, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . tter;#449446 |
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| [01:29:34] | Twiggy2cents: | That should be a good link, basically it is said that its better to do it that way incase they change the schedule |
| [01:33:51] | darkdrgn2k: | 2011-01–31 20:35:35.729 TVRec(1) Error: Start channel invalid, setting to '1030' on input Component instead. |
| [01:33:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | Twiggy2cents: check out post #17 in that thread... |
| [01:34:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: Right – do you actually have a channel 1030? |
| [01:35:28] | Twiggy2cents: | meh I have 7 channels |
| [01:35:33] | Twiggy2cents: | I dont think its a big deal |
| [01:35:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | Twiggy2cents: Ah. ;-) I have a few hundred... ;-) |
| [01:36:07] | darkdrgn2k: | mysql> select channum from channel where channum=1030; returns a number |
| [01:36:21] | darkdrgn2k: | whats the tunner app sopposed to return? |
| [01:37:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: my channel change scripts don't return anything... |
| [01:37:45] | darkdrgn2k: | didnt think so |
| [01:38:08] | Beirdo: | should return 0 on success |
| [01:38:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: What are you using for channel changing, IR, firewire, ? |
| [01:38:19] | darkdrgn2k: | ir.. but at them moment NOTHING |
| [01:38:29] | darkdrgn2k: | lol tunner app just does exit 0 atm |
| [01:38:31] | Beirdo: | then set your channel changing script to /bin/true |
| [01:38:45] | Beirdo: | or that |
| [01:39:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: I had to put a "/bin/sleep 2.5" at the end of my channel-change script to let the HD-PVR stabilize. |
| [01:39:18] | darkdrgn2k: | 2011-01–31 20:39:54.903 TVRec(1) Error: Start channel invalid, setting to '1030' on input Component instead. |
| [01:39:23] | darkdrgn2k: | why is it saying invalid |
| [01:39:37] | Beirdo: | because you didn't set a valid start channel |
| [01:39:52] | darkdrgn2k: | Beirdo: channel table has that chan in it |
| [01:40:00] | Beirdo: | good for it |
| [01:40:05] | Beirdo: | go back into the setup :) |
| [01:40:38] | Beirdo: | and you need to tell it the start channel for that input, right by where you put in the channel changing script |
| [01:40:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: do you not have that channel source assigned to the tuner? If you do, you probably need to wipe the tuner(s) and re-define them as sphery suggested, as somethings 'fubar'. |
| [01:40:57] | darkdrgn2k: | J-e-f-f-A: yeh.. |
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| [01:41:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: 20:13 <sphery> darkdrgn2k: sounds like you need to do the Capture Card portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 (won't affect channels or video sources) |
| [01:41:57] | darkdrgn2k: | im so dumb.. |
| [01:42:00] | darkdrgn2k: | im dislexic |
| [01:42:52] | darkdrgn2k: | i think its a PEBKAC... |
| [01:43:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
| [01:43:41] | Twiggy2cents: | dont flame... what is PEBKAC? |
| [01:43:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | !url lmgtfy PEBKAC |
| [01:43:55] | MythLogBot: | lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=PEBKAC |
| [01:44:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | Twiggy2cents: ;-) |
| [01:45:01] | ** J-e-f-f-A loves MythLogBot. ;-) ** | |
| [01:45:31] | Twiggy2cents: | lol |
| [01:45:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | Twiggy2cents: Did you like that URL? ;-) |
| [01:45:48] | Twiggy2cents: | I think I have read that before |
| [01:45:54] | Twiggy2cents: | I love lmgtfy |
| [01:46:28] | darkdrgn2k: | ok figured it out |
| [01:46:35] | darkdrgn2k: | component!=composit |
| [01:46:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | Twiggy2cents: It's slighlyt more polite than saying "Google is your friend..." ;-) |
| [01:46:42] | darkdrgn2k: | still laggy |
| [01:46:42] | darkdrgn2k: | 2011-01–31 20:48:27.499 DevRdB(/dev/video0) Error: Poll giving up |
| [01:47:16] | Twiggy2cents: | J-e-f-f-A, I think its subtly less polite, by saying I will mock your lack of google skills by animating it for you |
| [01:47:42] | darkdrgn2k: | Twiggy2cents: yes.. but it addes a dimention of humor |
| [01:47:51] | Twiggy2cents: | that it does |
| [01:48:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: Try creating a script that just does a "/sbin/sleep 3" and make that your channel-change script temporarily – see if that helps. |
| [01:48:55] | Beirdo: | [21721] |
| [01:48:55] | MythLogBot: | SVN 21721: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/eddeeac5 |
| [01:49:20] | darkdrgn2k: | J-e-f-f-A: its playing the video but its laggy |
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| [01:49:30] | darkdrgn2k: | and definatly frame skipping wheni t plays |
| [01:49:41] | darkdrgn2k: | load average: 0.57, 0.53, 0.33 |
| [01:50:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: what playback profile are you using? (Although I don't think it would matter much for that cpu...) — oh – do you have 'frequency scaling' or 'cool & quiet' enabled perhaps? |
| [01:51:51] | darkdrgn2k: | J-e-f-f-A: doesnt help... |
| [01:51:56] | darkdrgn2k: | (cpuspeed stpoed) |
| [01:54:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: Umm... I'd exit Myth and try to play the video directly with mplayer – ie: "mplayer /dev/video0" – if it's still choppy, then it's not Myth... |
| [01:55:24] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm |
| [01:55:25] | darkdrgn2k: | Error while decoding frame! |
| [01:55:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: Those pop up for a few seconds while it syncs... then the playback usually starts... |
| [01:56:30] | darkdrgn2k: | hmmm i hate X lol one sec |
| [01:57:57] | darkdrgn2k: | wierd i cant get a video window to appear at all |
| [01:58:38] | darkdrgn2k: | ... let me try dumping it to a file |
| [01:59:57] | darkdrgn2k: | its wierd |
| [02:00:05] | darkdrgn2k: | it start to dump... then it stops |
| [02:00:14] | darkdrgn2k: | 5177344 Jan 31 21:01 tmp1.ts <- nots not growing |
| [02:00:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: from the hd-pvr wiki page: Important Note 2: You must leave Preset tuner to channel empty or LiveTV and channel changes will not work. |
| [02:00:53] | darkdrgn2k: | its wierd.. |
| [02:01:01] | darkdrgn2k: | you know how you get the sync progems then it plays |
| [02:01:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: Humm... I'd try a different USB port – if your motherboard is similar to mine, it's got several USB controllers, and maybe one works better than the others. |
| [02:01:08] | darkdrgn2k: | sam thing STOPS right after is suncs |
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| [02:03:04] | darkdrgn2k: | now i got Error while decoding frame! |
| [02:03:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: My motherboard has 8 USB controllers, two OHCI0, three EHCI, one OHCI2 and one USB3... I moved the HD-PVRs around until they were 100% stable – I'm not sure which controller they're on now, I guess i could fiddle around with 'lsusb' to find out... ;-) |
| [02:03:07] | darkdrgn2k: | none stop |
| [02:04:58] | darkdrgn2k: | wiers seems to work better.... |
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| [02:09:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: Looks like my HD-PVRs are on an EHCI usb controller... |
| [02:10:36] | wagnerrp: | the better be on EHCI |
| [02:10:38] | wagnerrp: | they |
| [02:11:09] | darkdrgn2k: | J-e-f-f-A: how did you check LOL |
| [02:11:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Well, my MB has OHCI controllers too, according to 'lspci'... And I was having problems with the HD-PVRs with this MB until I tried different USB ports... |
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| [02:14:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: I'm on fedora, and there may be an easier way of doing this... But I did a 'cat /proc/bus/usb/devices' – and found my HD-PVRs, – saw what Bus= they were on (mine are on 02), and tracked back to Bus=02 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 to find out what the controller is... "Product=EHCI Host Controller" |
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| [02:16:19] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm |
| [02:16:20] | darkdrgn2k: | S: Product=OHCI Host Controller |
| [02:16:47] | darkdrgn2k: | i do have EHCIs |
| [02:17:30] | darkdrgn2k: | looks like those are the internal headers though |
| [02:18:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: Humm... Yeah, mine are on a backplate that's connected to one of the internal headers now, and have been perfect the last 5 days... |
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| [02:22:07] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm wierd rebooted and problem |
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| [02:22:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: What are your USB controllers? ('lspci |grep USB') – Mine are "ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 USB OHCI0 Controller" (and EHCI and OHCI2, plus an NEC USB3 controller) |
| [02:22:58] | darkdrgn2k: | 2 of each |
| [02:22:59] | darkdrgn2k: | 00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP78S [GeForce 8200] OHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev a1) |
| [02:22:59] | darkdrgn2k: | 00:02.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP78S [GeForce 8200] EHCI USB 2.0 Controller (rev a1) |
| [02:23:12] | darkdrgn2k: | i truend the pvr on.. then off and its fine.. go figure |
| [02:23:16] | darkdrgn2k: | i mean off then on |
| [02:23:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | yeah, sometimes they need a 'kick'... On my old MB, they'd require a power-off every 3 or 4 weeks... Haven't had a problem yet with this new MB – but it's only been 5 days... ;-) |
| [02:25:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: Ah, maybe it was still 'goofed up' from when you had the capture device set wrong in Myth? |
| [02:25:36] | darkdrgn2k: | i donno... |
| [02:25:42] | darkdrgn2k: | and to think this is the EZ part.. |
| [02:26:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: In any case, I'm glad it's working now. ;-) And if you get usb errors on it, try a different USB port... |
| [02:27:48] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh |
| [02:28:00] | darkdrgn2k: | how come the bottom most line of the dam recording is flashing white :-P |
| [02:29:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: It's probably the source... designed to be in the overscan area. If that's the case, just set the playback profile to scale it by 2% horizontal an Vertical... |
| [02:29:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | *and |
| [02:29:21] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh... forgot its composite not hdmi |
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| [02:30:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: Settings -> TV Settings -> Playback -> Page 2 of "General Playback" Veritical Scaling and Horizontal Scaling. — I have both set to 2 ;-) |
| [02:32:28] | darkdrgn2k: | gawd i fogot how many settings i have to fix still |
| [02:32:35] | darkdrgn2k: | whats the devices for alsao again /dev/snd? |
| [02:34:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: Scan for devices, then select the right one. ;-) |
| [02:34:20] | darkdrgn2k: | not if uses desnt have perms |
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| [03:08:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ok, just saw what may have been the most graphic murder I've ever seen on network TV and it was on Bones of all shows |
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| [03:08:55] | wagnerrp: | bullet in the brain pan. squish! |
| [03:09:02] | sphery: | (this after watching an episode of Criminal Minds that had 5s violence warnings at the beginning and after a couple commercial breaks--and it wasn't nearly as graphic) |
| [03:09:21] | sphery: | I see you've seen the episode |
| [03:11:00] | wagnerrp: | indeed |
| [03:23:10] | wagnerrp: | murder, sure... but i think the lost hand on 24 was more graphics overall |
| [03:24:35] | mianos: | is it possible to exit the TV mode ocne a program is finished? |
| [03:24:40] | mianos: | like a sleep timer |
| [03:24:44] | mianos: | I need it for the kids |
| [03:24:49] | wagnerrp: | yes, there is a sleep timer |
| [03:24:51] | mianos: | otherwise I guess I can pre-record everything |
| [03:25:02] | mianos: | rocking |
| [03:26:00] | mianos: | I see the 'spec' page int he wiki |
| [03:26:29] | mianos: | ok the F8 thing |
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| [03:40:55] | sphery: | mianos: "Live TV idle timeout" in frontend settings under TV Playback settings |
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| [04:11:27] | agron: | Hello, can anyone see cablebox via firewire in MythTV? I need help with this error: rom1394_1 warning: read failed: 0x0000fffff000040c |
| [04:12:21] | [R]: | did you follow the wiki? |
| [04:16:59] | wagnerrp: | thats it... IPv4 is official out of addresses |
| [04:17:14] | [R]: | well since egypt is off the net |
| [04:17:17] | [R]: | let's steal theirs |
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| [04:17:37] | wagnerrp: | estimated 3–6 months before the individual RIRs allocate their free blocks |
| [04:17:40] | [R]: | or rather, "off the grid" |
| [04:18:16] | [R]: | wagnerrp: is the world going to come to an end? |
| [04:18:36] | appamatto: | Yay, ATSC antenna with working subtitles! |
| [04:19:01] | kormoc: | [R], I don't want no camel smelling ips! |
| [04:19:01] | wagnerrp: | yes virginia, the world is coming to an end |
| [04:19:06] | appamatto: | Although I'm finding that my HD recordings are a bit jumpy. Is the graphics card the culprit? |
| [04:19:19] | [R]: | appamatto: the cpu is the culprit |
| [04:19:27] | appamatto: | hmm |
| [04:19:41] | appamatto: | I'm on mythbuntu 64 bit with a dual-core |
| [04:19:45] | [R]: | and? |
| [04:19:48] | kormoc: | it could be the gpu |
| [04:19:50] | wagnerrp: | what processor? |
| [04:19:55] | kormoc: | try the slim playback profile |
| [04:19:58] | agron: | R, I have the new fireware stack, there was not much to follow. |
| [04:20:10] | [R]: | agron: huh? |
| [04:20:30] | agron: | oops |
| [04:21:59] | agron: | can anyone help with firewire? |
| [04:22:04] | appamatto: | E6550 |
| [04:22:13] | appamatto: | 2.33 GHz |
| [04:22:14] | [R]: | [09:12:20] [R] did you follow the wiki? |
| [04:22:28] | wagnerrp: | appamatto: these are ATSC recordings? |
| [04:22:31] | appamatto: | yes |
| [04:22:36] | wagnerrp: | what graphics card? |
| [04:22:44] | appamatto: | although I noticed that my digital cable recordings were also jumpy on playback |
| [04:23:00] | agron: | [R] are you asking me? |
| [04:23:16] | [R]: | you're the only one talking about something thats got extensive docuemtnation in the wiki... |
| [04:23:24] | appamatto: | GeForce 7300 Le |
| [04:23:37] | appamatto: | Probably a pretty bad card |
| [04:23:47] | wagnerrp: | appamatto: like kormoc said, you should be using the Slim profile |
| [04:23:52] | wagnerrp: | software decode with Xv output |
| [04:24:09] | appamatto: | okay |
| [04:24:24] | wagnerrp: | your graphics card doesnt have enough power for opengl |
| [04:24:52] | wagnerrp: | bah, schema mismatch |
| [04:25:39] | agron: | [R] Yes, Mythtv finds the cable box by itself, I had nothing to do. As soon as I choos Firewire box as a capture card it detects Motorola QIP 7100 by it self. But it does not show anything. |
| [04:25:48] | [R]: | agron: great |
| [04:25:53] | [R]: | agron: and did you follow the wiki? |
| [04:26:49] | appamatto: | Right now I'm on CPU+ |
| [04:26:58] | wagnerrp: | you want Slim |
| [04:27:14] | wagnerrp: | everyone should start out with Slim, and experiment from there |
| [04:27:43] | darkdrgn2k: | why do i get this error: |
| [04:27:44] | darkdrgn2k: | 2011-01–31 23:28:59.617 Not allowed to upgrade the database. |
| [04:28:16] | [R]: | darkdrgn2k: thats the only thing the log says? |
| [04:28:27] | appamatto: | Oh cool. That looks pretty good, no skipping |
| [04:31:12] | darkdrgn2k: | [r]: its the frontned -> http://pastebin.com/ATGiwT0J |
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| [04:31:57] | [R]: | darkdrgn2k: there are only 3 lines in your log? |
| [04:33:31] | _cal_: | is xmodmap still the proper way to set key bindings for mythtv? took me a week to narrow down but finally figured out my .mythtv.xmodmap key mappings are what causes X to crash randomly. the mappings still work though. (copied the file from my old myth system) |
| [04:33:43] | darkdrgn2k: | http://pastebin.com/v1x1b6us |
| [04:33:45] | darkdrgn2k: | full dump |
| [04:33:49] | darkdrgn2k: | lots of font errors |
| [04:34:01] | Beirdo: | don't forget to wipe |
| [04:34:35] | [R]: | _cal_: myth has an edit keys screen for a reason... |
| [04:35:24] | _cal_: | R: my remote sends raw key codes, some are not previously mapped in X, some are. |
| [04:35:45] | _cal_: | a couple years ago, someone in this channel told me to use xmodmap for that scenario. |
| [04:36:03] | clever: | _cal_: in that case, id run lircd in devinput mode, though i'm not sure how exactly to create the lirc 'remote' def file |
| [04:36:30] | _cal_: | this remote does not need lirc, it behaves like a keyboard |
| [04:36:39] | _cal_: | uses a keyboard driver |
| [04:37:00] | clever: | the devinput driver in lirc connects to any standard keyboard/remote driver |
| [04:37:10] | _cal_: | ahh |
| [04:37:12] | clever: | and then treats the keyboard codes as remote button presses |
| [04:37:27] | _cal_: | so then the xmodmap method is depreciated now, okay |
| [04:38:26] | darkdrgn2k: | [r] any ideas? |
| [04:38:44] | clever: | LIRCD_OPTS="-H devinput -d /dev/input/by-path/pci-0000:00:*-usb-0:1:1.0-event-mouse -o /var/run/lirc/lircd" |
| [04:38:59] | [R]: | you're running master |
| [04:39:05] | [R]: | and wonder why you are having issues |
| [04:39:06] | [R]: | right... |
| [04:39:12] | clever: | _cal_: this is half the setup, the key bit would be finding a path that fits your device on every bootup |
| [04:39:37] | _cal_: | not sure what you mean |
| [04:40:10] | clever: | _cal_: /dev/input/ has the input devices for everything, and /dev/input/by-id/ or /dev/input/by-path/ have symlinks with more readable names |
| [04:40:58] | _cal_: | okay so your saying the device name could change every bootup? |
| [04:41:03] | Beirdo: | udev is your friend |
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| [04:41:08] | clever: | parts change, parts dont |
| [04:41:13] | clever: | udev is one way to solve it |
| [04:41:22] | clever: | in my case, /dev/input/by-path/pci-0000:00:*-usb-0:1:1.0-event-mouse matches it every time |
| [04:41:29] | Beirdo: | udev is the current proper way to solve it |
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| [04:42:08] | clever: | udev would allow adding another custum symlink like /dev/input/ir_reciever, and auto-launching lirc when its connected |
| [04:43:13] | clever: | the part i cant fully figure out, is how to generate the remote definition for lircd.conf |
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| [04:44:01] | darkdrgn2k: | [r]: this is running from a slave |
| [04:44:15] | [R]: | darkdrgn2k: and? |
| [04:44:35] | Beirdo: | cool, another ATeam with Hulk Hogan |
| [04:44:53] | darkdrgn2k: | [r]: i cant start mythfrontend or even mythtv-set on the fe |
| [04:45:08] | [R]: | Beirdo: at work, when we forget our badges, we get a badge that says T on it |
| [04:45:14] | [R]: | Beirdo: so whoever has it is "Mr T" |
| [04:45:25] | ** [R] reiterates his master statement to darkdrgn2k ** | |
| [04:45:28] | Beirdo: | I pity the fool |
| [04:45:45] | darkdrgn2k: | "<[R]> you're running master" ? |
| [04:46:00] | Beirdo: | ooh. it has the Fridge too |
| [04:46:00] | [R]: | darkdrgn2k: git master |
| [04:46:22] | darkdrgn2k: | ooooo |
| [04:46:53] | darkdrgn2k: | guess the frontend's repo is to old :_S |
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| [04:57:46] | darkdrgn2k: | whats the new way of storing stuff |
| [04:57:49] | darkdrgn2k: | its with storage groups right? |
| [04:57:54] | darkdrgn2k: | not the settigns inside the plugin |
| [04:58:03] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [04:58:30] | darkdrgn2k: | do you clear the settings inside the plugin? |
| [04:59:43] | wagnerrp: | they can co-exist |
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| [04:59:54] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo will ignore the local settings if storage groups exist |
| [05:01:00] | [R]: | is that new? |
| [05:01:06] | [R]: | cuz i used to have them together |
| [05:01:13] | wagnerrp: | bin that way since they were introduced |
| [05:01:18] | wagnerrp: | been |
| [05:01:22] | [R]: | on 0.23 i had isos on local |
| [05:01:27] | [R]: | and the rest on storage groups |
| [05:01:28] | [R]: | and it worked |
| [05:01:53] | wagnerrp: | if you have a directory defined for both local storage and SGs, the SG will override the local storage |
| [05:02:06] | [R]: | well i duno... it was working |
| [05:02:14] | darkdrgn2k: | damit it scanned both sg and local :-S |
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| [05:25:30] | darkdrgn2k: | ok whats the diff between lircd and lirc0 |
| [05:26:07] | wagnerrp: | one is a single device with single access, the other is a daemon that pulls input from all devices, and multiplexes it out to any device that wants it |
| [05:26:27] | darkdrgn2k: | i see.. |
| [05:26:50] | darkdrgn2k: | so -d --device would be lircd or lirc0 (irsend) |
| [05:27:35] | nutron: | hmm would pci latency possibly cause one of my ivtv cards to lock up? |
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| [05:27:58] | ** nutron throws reason to the wind ** | |
| [05:28:57] | nutron: | the googleplex isn't giving me any hints .. I don't even know what the card is doing.. but it seems like any of the 4 are succeptible to locks now... mama! |
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| [06:10:29] | darkdrgn2k: | are v4l-dvb hg repos still newer then kernel |
| [06:11:00] | wagnerrp: | dont know |
| [06:11:05] | wagnerrp: | theyve migrated over to git |
| [06:11:13] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm |
| [06:11:19] | wagnerrp: | and i dont know if they keep the old mercurial repo up to date |
| [06:12:17] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh.. its wierd.. im looking at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR and they talk about patching the driver to support a newer hdpvr |
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| [06:19:29] | wagnerrp: | hahahaha |
| [06:19:34] | wagnerrp: | 'bing it' |
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| [06:20:10] | wagnerrp: | somehow i dont see that becoming the household term |
| [06:21:09] | ** nutron imagines 4 year-old thugs ** | |
| [06:24:05] | [R]: | wagnerrp: they call me bing at work |
| [06:26:26] | wagnerrp: | and the first ad? an iphone |
| [06:26:39] | ** wagnerrp thinks microsoft should have paid a bit more for that show ** | |
| [06:27:23] | wagnerrp: | well at least its not as bad as ABC's iPad Ad... erm, Modern Family |
| [06:27:49] | [R]: | i love modern family |
| [06:27:51] | [R]: | its so fresh |
| [06:28:13] | wagnerrp: | i notice gratuitous ad placement, but im rather forgiving |
| [06:28:23] | wagnerrp: | that episode crossed the line |
| [06:28:49] | wagnerrp: | that show and rule got deleted immediately there after |
| [06:29:04] | appamatto: | I have to say, I'm extremely pleased with my mythtv setup now |
| [06:29:21] | [R]: | wagnerrp: lol |
| [06:30:58] | wagnerrp: | on its worst day, Heroes never came close to being that bad |
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| [06:52:11] | darkdrgn2k: | dmesg |
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| [07:08:32] | appamatto: | There any hope for something like mythmote to control hulu desktop? |
| [07:09:09] | appamatto: | wow I didn't notice mythnetvision at all |
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| [07:36:52] | wagnerrp: | any ideas why 'VERBOSE' calls would be failing to compile with errors like this? |
| [07:37:25] | wagnerrp: | mainserver.cpp:566: error: expected primary-expression before '(' token |
| [07:39:05] | wagnerrp: | its like im missing an include header or something |
| [07:39:19] | wagnerrp: | but ive got mythverbose.h in there, dont know what else it would want |
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| [07:41:02] | justinh: | bing? bong, more like – having seen its search results |
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| [07:41:38] | justinh: | I always thought 'bing' was that annoying sound that windows played when it displayed a dialog |
| [07:44:44] | Beirdo: | oh crud |
| [07:45:24] | Beirdo: | my mailserver's using spamhaus.org... and is rejecting my home IPv4 address as it should use the ISP's mail server |
| [07:45:28] | Beirdo: | eat... me... |
| [07:46:27] | justinh: | heh. I saw somebody whine on the twitter that mythtv doesn't like IPv6. It looked like a death threat. I should report him |
| [07:47:01] | kormoc: | I'm fearful for my well being |
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| [07:47:42] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:48:05] | Beirdo: | so, I guess I config postfix at home to use IPv6. |
| [07:48:11] | wagnerrp: | isnt that your 'well bing'? |
| [07:48:38] | justinh: | I don't understand v6. had a quick look & it was like !!!!!!!! |
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| [07:49:10] | justinh: | mind you, I never got around to learning much about TCP/IP anyway.. I only know what I need to know day-to-day |
| [07:49:53] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you might have an answer to this... what exactly happens with DHCP and IPv6? |
| [07:50:19] | wagnerrp: | routed is supposed to manage things from now on, instead of dhcp |
| [07:50:22] | Beirdo: | afaik, nothing. |
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| [07:50:39] | wagnerrp: | but routed cannot define static addresses |
| [07:50:45] | Beirdo: | there may be dhcp6d out, maybe, but dhcpd is v4 only |
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| [07:50:56] | wagnerrp: | so does that mean everyone is supposed to start using dynamic dns? |
| [07:51:02] | Beirdo: | as far as I've seen |
| [07:51:05] | Beirdo: | umm |
| [07:51:16] | Beirdo: | you can do static configs |
| [07:51:29] | Beirdo: | or use radvd, and autoconf (MAC addr-based) |
| [07:51:43] | wagnerrp: | you can define a static IP on the system |
| [07:51:49] | Beirdo: | and I haven't looked past that |
| [07:51:52] | wagnerrp: | but theres no way to pull a static IP from a server is there? |
| [07:51:58] | wagnerrp: | like how you could with dhcp servers |
| [07:52:06] | Beirdo: | I don't know |
| [07:52:12] | Beirdo: | never really looked |
| [07:52:37] | Beirdo: | I tend to static IP as much as I can :) |
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| [07:53:26] | areeda: | I'm pretty sure you can set up many dhcp servers to always grant the same IP to a MAC address |
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| [07:54:11] | wagnerrp: | areeda: were talking about when using IPv6 |
| [07:54:15] | justinh: | isn't that basically what autoconf can do anyway? |
| [07:54:33] | justinh: | I mean – the MAC address isn't gonna be changing, so what's the fuss? |
| [07:54:49] | Beirdo: | if you want shorter, cleaner IPs :) |
| [07:54:50] | areeda: | Sorry, I came in late and am new to IPv6, |
| [07:54:53] | Beirdo: | 2001:1938:270::5 |
| [07:54:55] | Beirdo: | like that |
| [07:54:58] | wagnerrp: | justinh: well youve got another 32-bits in there... those just get left 0? |
| [07:55:05] | Beirdo: | (my frontend box) |
| [07:55:09] | justinh: | no idea |
| [07:55:20] | Beirdo: | if you put :: it's always 0 filled |
| [07:55:43] | Beirdo: | 2001:1938:270:0:92fb:a6ff:fe38:2769 is also my frontend |
| [07:55:47] | Beirdo: | via autoconf |
| [07:55:50] | wagnerrp: | i think the plan is that each address will be replaced by a /64 |
| [07:55:57] | justinh: | I need to find a good site to explain this to me. I found one the other night but it still looked hard |
| [07:56:08] | Beirdo: | 90:fb:a6:38:27:69 mac addr |
| [07:57:07] | justinh: | mind, I never quite 'got' all the IP classifications. I'm such a home user |
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| [07:58:58] | justinh: | meh. this doc is going on about 'cleaning' the internet of NAT devices. I've never seen my home network hiding being NAT as a problem, personally |
| [07:59:10] | justinh: | s/being/behind/ |
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| [07:59:30] | justinh: | infact I'd much rather things be that way :-) |
| [07:59:44] | Beirdo: | I hate NAT :) |
| [07:59:57] | Beirdo: | there. mail working |
| [08:00:11] | Beirdo: | hehe, I made the IPv6 MX be the primary one |
| [08:00:35] | Beirdo: | screw your RBL-ness |
| [08:00:51] | Beirdo: | now to do the same on the other machines :) |
| [08:00:51] | wagnerrp: | 'hiding behind NAT' is just a nuisance, not a security measure |
| [08:01:47] | justinh: | so I had to forward a couple of ports. I could cope |
| [08:02:26] | wagnerrp: | what if you want to use ssh on two separate machines behind the network? |
| [08:02:39] | justinh: | different ports :-) |
| [08:02:42] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, meh. I see no need to have the majority of devices direct access to the interwebs |
| [08:02:46] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, bouce! |
| [08:02:57] | wagnerrp: | but then you have to define the ports manually when you connect |
| [08:03:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: then firewall :) |
| [08:03:02] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [08:03:09] | justinh: | wagnerrp: use putty ;-) |
| [08:03:23] | wagnerrp: | what if youre using an application that routes through ssh, but doesnt accept a port |
| [08:03:26] | Beirdo: | firewalling and NAT aren't synonymous |
| [08:03:34] | justinh: | wagnerrp: then you're stuffed. |
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| [08:03:39] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: exactly, just firewall the box to prevent it from accessing the net |
| [08:03:44] | wagnerrp: | still no reason for nat |
| [08:03:52] | justinh: | but it's not something the majority of users need to do anyway |
| [08:04:34] | justinh: | wagnerrp: course there was. heck, users of broadband mostly don't even know how to set a static IP let alone configure a firewall properly |
| [08:05:05] | wagnerrp: | justinh: the correct way is to just block everything by default, let the user define when they want data to pass through |
| [08:05:17] | wagnerrp: | instead we have NAT, and users cant be expected to figure out how to configure NAT |
| [08:05:27] | wagnerrp: | so we have UPNP to punch holes in the firewall |
| [08:05:34] | wagnerrp: | and the complete security mess that whole system is |
| [08:05:42] | justinh: | oh I dunno. most routers I've dealt with have been a breeze |
| [08:05:59] | wagnerrp: | if they were a breeze, we wouldnt need UPNP |
| [08:06:55] | justinh: | most people shouldn't even need to have incoming connections to server apps |
| [08:07:32] | wagnerrp: | any kind of program that does direct connection requires it |
| [08:07:35] | Beirdo: | and if they had firewalls properly configed, they wouldn't have |
| [08:07:37] | ** justinh wonders how much home networking gear can even do IPv6 ** | |
| [08:07:58] | Beirdo: | home networking gear? like what? |
| [08:08:16] | Beirdo: | crappy routers? likely not yet, give them 6 months to a year |
| [08:08:30] | wagnerrp: | all sorts of games, instant messaging software, VPN software |
| [08:08:30] | Beirdo: | that's the only thing it will affect, really |
| [08:08:36] | wagnerrp: | have you ever used Hamachi? |
| [08:08:45] | justinh: | nope |
| [08:08:54] | wagnerrp: | the /only/ reason that program even exists is to work around deficiencies caused by the use of NAT |
| [08:09:49] | justinh: | meh. if going v6 means I have to spend money *and* expand my knowledge to hell with it |
| [08:10:59] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [08:11:08] | Beirdo: | you'll learn it soon enough |
| [08:11:57] | wagnerrp: | do we not use any recursive mutexes anywhere in mythtv? |
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| [08:12:22] | justinh: | mwhahahahaha useless: http://www.linux-tutorial.info/modules.php?na . . . amp;sid=4332 |
| [08:12:42] | justinh: | oh wait there was a link in there. doh |
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| [08:16:04] | justinh: | I'll likely need to know this stuff for work very soon. our gear is doing 'clever' stuff with autoconf & junk |
| [08:16:34] | justinh: | plug & play IP CCTV. won awards for it & everything |
| [08:17:53] | Beirdo: | fun |
| [08:18:02] | Beirdo: | it will need to use ipv6 for sure |
| [08:18:21] | nutron: | Hmm looks like my problems are pci bus based... wth, it's just ... supposed to work! |
| [08:18:29] | justinh: | in the past if you had a bunch of network cameras you had to point the DVR at them yourself |
| [08:18:56] | justinh: | and if said cameras used DHCP (which they did by default) there wasn't much way of knowing which one was which |
| [08:20:11] | justinh: | so we made a fancy switch with PoE that does some neat stuff, and bolted something into the core of the DVR software |
| [08:20:59] | justinh: | I've got a switch to test this week. have to get my grubby hands on 16 IP cameras. nobody's tested it with that many yet lol |
| [08:21:08] | nutron: | justinh: gah I just dealt with a bunch of that... hate the software :P |
| [08:21:26] | nutron: | mainly because it all seems to want to use activex to pump h264 to ie |
| [08:21:41] | justinh: | that sounds like our stuff lol |
| [08:21:55] | nutron: | :P |
| [08:22:05] | Beirdo: | bleh |
| [08:22:10] | justinh: | doesn't have 'netvu' mentioned anywhere does it? |
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| [08:22:23] | nutron: | Gave up, decided the tech's not really ready and mothballed the project. |
| [08:22:37] | nutron: | Software or hardware? |
| [08:22:43] | justinh: | nutron: either or |
| [08:22:59] | justinh: | it's our biggest 'selling point'.. so we're told |
| [08:23:07] | nutron: | I rememeber running into it, but no none of it was. I even forget the dvr software's name... started with an m... |
| [08:23:40] | justinh: | n e t v u c o n n e c t e d... s/net/not/ s/connected/infected// |
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| [08:23:56] | wagnerrp: | heres one... qtcpserver.h:53: error: expected initializer before 'QtNetworkModule' |
| [08:23:59] | nutron: | oh i see. Yeah, it's scary imho, entrusting windows to such things as ... security |
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| [08:24:04] | wagnerrp: | last error i have |
| [08:24:12] | wagnerrp: | and as far as i can tell, its not even my error |
| [08:24:13] | justinh: | nutron: oh our stuff runs a propriatary OS |
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| [08:24:23] | nutron: | oh? :o |
| [08:24:38] | nutron: | and it's not full of herpes simplex much like windows? |
| [08:24:45] | nutron: | onvif compliant? |
| [08:24:48] | justinh: | nutron: viewing/config is done via the UI on the DVR or a general web browser |
| [08:25:16] | justinh: | or you can use our Java-based viewer |
| [08:25:57] | justinh: | nutron: dunno, but I doubt it's onvif compliant |
| [08:26:29] | nutron: | java.. maybe less evil than activex |
| [08:26:58] | ** nutron searches the googledome ** | |
| [08:27:16] | justinh: | you can use any browser with our stuff though.. not just activex junk |
| [08:27:41] | nutron: | wow that was the biggest "no – go" in all of it |
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| [08:28:16] | justinh: | nah no mention of us on the onvif site |
| [08:28:27] | justinh: | but looks like all our competitors are |
| [08:28:42] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand why this isnt compiling... |
| [08:28:47] | nutron: | what kind of cameras? |
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| [08:29:21] | justinh: | nutron: PTZ domes, 2 megapixel, ANPR.. night vision, thermal imaging... |
| [08:29:38] | justinh: | working on > 2 Mp stuff too I hear |
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| [08:30:08] | justinh: | anyway I doubt anybody upstairs will be receptive to a suggestion we should go onvif |
| [08:30:09] | nutron: | ahh nice, the one we were playing with was a new panasonic... I don't remember the mp rating but it streamed 720p |
| [08:30:13] | wagnerrp: | thermal imaging? the real stuff or near ir? |
| [08:30:19] | justinh: | wagnerrp: the *real* stuff |
| [08:30:27] | justinh: | expensive |
| [08:30:40] | wagnerrp: | ah, so not just a normal CCD with the IR filter removed |
| [08:30:42] | justinh: | the ANPR cameras are evil |
| [08:31:21] | justinh: | two elements.. visible & IR. IR illuminator.. subtracts visible from IR leaving just the reflected light from the plate |
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| [08:32:25] | justinh: | I dunno why IR 'night' cameras are so popular. they're next to useless for determining evidence |
| [08:34:09] | justinh: | one of our distributors makes a mobile tower for temporary installs. it's got IR & conventional illumination. connects to a monitoring station. detects activity.. operator goes in & has a look. they can then turn on the floods & direct a couple of domes at perps to get full colour shots |
| [08:34:32] | nutron: | heh nice |
| [08:34:45] | justinh: | jees man our building has perimeter alarms which trigger the outside domes to follow movement |
| [08:35:07] | ** nutron remembers skynet ** | |
| [08:35:37] | kormoc: | remembers? You're a terminator? |
| [08:35:43] | ** nutron will never tell ** | |
| [08:35:55] | justinh: | I'd not been impressed with our gear for many a year til I saw the 2MP network cameras.. 16x 720p feeds on a big monitor |
| [08:36:05] | kormoc: | Sarah Connor is in... uhhh... Japan... not Seattle... nopers... not Seattle... |
| [08:36:25] | justinh: | now *that* was proper cctv. a little out of my price bracket though |
| [08:36:59] | justinh: | yer PAL/NTSC stuff with fixed cameras is little more than junk |
| [08:37:05] | nutron: | Re: ANPR – In Stockholm, Sweden, ANPR is used for the congestion tax, owners of cars driving into or out of the inner city must pay a charge, depending on the time of the day. |
| [08:37:09] | nutron: | Dirty!! |
| [08:37:26] | justinh: | especially coupled with the cheap-ass far east DVRs.. most of the $200-$500 DVRs record quads |
| [08:37:29] | wagnerrp: | justinh: i was under the impression no one ever actually expected to get positive identification out of those things |
| [08:37:49] | nutron: | justinh: I was hoping to put up a few of the junkies for around the house, use zoneminder and call it even. Though admittedly I haven't looked at the quality of those kinds of cameras. |
| [08:37:58] | justinh: | that is, they split 4 cameras onto one PAL/NTSC frame & record that frame |
| [08:38:02] | wagnerrp: | the blur-o-vision you see at most stop-and-robs |
| [08:38:24] | justinh: | wagnerrp: yeah at best all they can do is sort of put somebody at a scene |
| [08:38:45] | justinh: | and by 'sort of' I mean they get shown a picture as 'proof' & then it goes from there |
| [08:39:19] | wagnerrp: | i figured it was more for height, race, build, clothing |
| [08:39:27] | wagnerrp: | than an actual photo id |
| [08:39:37] | justinh: | nutron: 1MP cameras.. heck even 2MP aren't too bad. Don't use night vision though.. get some proper floodlights activated by PIR or something |
| [08:39:49] | justinh: | zoneminder would rock at that |
| [08:40:05] | justinh: | wagnerrp: maybe not race or clothing if it |
| [08:40:11] | justinh: | gah. if it's night vision ;-) |
| [08:40:25] | justinh: | was it a red coat, black, grey or... ? |
| [08:40:31] | wagnerrp: | with night vision, everyone is white |
| [08:40:47] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [08:40:53] | Beirdo: | how.. anti-racist |
| [08:41:01] | nutron: | hah |
| [08:41:13] | justinh: | yeah you kinda have to rely on other features to glean racial data |
| [08:41:23] | nutron: | yeah mainly I want to find out how the heck I always end up with dead animals in the pool |
| [08:41:30] | justinh: | ! |
| [08:41:33] | nutron: | I'm thinking it's my neighbour. |
| [08:41:42] | wagnerrp: | nutron: im thinking its your neighbor's cat |
| [08:42:02] | nutron: | Heh. Squirrels ... cat, dog.. wth |
| [08:42:15] | wagnerrp: | wait... |
| [08:42:19] | wagnerrp: | you found a dog in the pool? |
| [08:42:24] | nutron: | It's not like it's not fenced... and it's not cleverly hidden or anything. |
| [08:42:25] | Beirdo: | your neighbor's kid is a serial killer to be |
| [08:42:25] | nutron: | Yep. |
| [08:42:31] | wagnerrp: | dead? |
| [08:42:33] | nutron: | Yep. |
| [08:42:46] | kormoc: | was it a big dog? Did you poke it with a stick? |
| [08:42:51] | Beirdo: | it's not dead, it's just sleeping |
| [08:42:57] | nutron: | Not really, and yep :) |
| [08:42:58] | nutron: | lol! |
| [08:43:02] | kormoc: | I would have poked it... and then waited and poked it some more |
| [08:43:06] | wagnerrp: | sleeping on the bottom of the pool |
| [08:43:09] | nutron: | This was a few years back, maybe four. |
| [08:43:32] | justinh: | gross |
| [08:43:49] | kormoc: | a small dog is no different then a rat |
| [08:43:51] | nutron: | Yeah I find it odd. No proof, no idea how it happens. |
| [08:44:03] | wagnerrp: | weve never had anything larger than a rodent in ours |
| [08:44:18] | nutron: | Even called the animal shelter people here (known as the spca) to ask if I could improve anything... they said it's perfect... |
| [08:44:30] | nutron: | I dunno, maybe it's laced with antifreeze or something fun as such |
| [08:44:35] | wagnerrp: | nutron: you ever go out at night and watch the bats dive bomb? |
| [08:44:38] | justinh: | you need a James Bond villain type sliding cover |
| [08:45:06] | nutron: | wagnerrp: I haven't seen any around... alive... |
| [08:45:08] | kormoc: | I'm gonna put it in my will that if anyone wants my money after I die that have to toss my body in a random person's pool dressed up as a scuba diver |
| [08:45:18] | justinh: | lol |
| [08:45:20] | nutron: | rofl! |
| [08:45:23] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [08:45:25] | wagnerrp: | you not have bats near where you live? |
| [08:45:39] | justinh: | even we have bats round our way |
| [08:45:44] | Beirdo: | remind me not to have a pool when kormoc kicks it |
| [08:45:45] | nutron: | Yep, we do... I've only ever seen two... in my pool... floating |
| [08:46:02] | kormoc: | that pool is a pool of death |
| [08:46:06] | nutron: | I know... |
| [08:46:09] | justinh: | nutron: you're supposed to put *water* in your pool, not acid |
| [08:46:15] | wagnerrp: | oh, well if you go out after dusk, theyll swoop down for a drink |
| [08:46:35] | wagnerrp: | you can even see a little wake as they skim the surface |
| [08:46:43] | kormoc: | At least you know that there won't be any swamp things living in your pool... maybe dead, but not living |
| [08:46:57] | nutron: | y'know that's really cool maybe I should watch it |
| [08:47:09] | nutron: | but I think a camera will buy me time to do other things |
| [08:47:15] | wagnerrp: | theyll do it with you in the pool as long as youre not disturbing the water too much |
| [08:47:18] | justinh: | you ever bothered getting these animals examined to find out how they died? |
| [08:47:41] | kormoc: | I bet nutron is sleep killing small animals |
| [08:47:42] | justinh: | like are they dead when they end up in the pool or did they drown? |
| [08:47:44] | nutron: | lol yeah it is creepy, when I have pool parties it's always "the thing to talk about" the pool of death |
| [08:48:26] | justinh: | to find out how they're getting there you don't need anything fancy anyway |
| [08:48:33] | kormoc: | ooh! Pool of death is a great way to keep the misses from wanting kids! |
| [08:48:33] | nutron: | The dog and cat was disturbing.. the rest I could almost explain... |
| [08:48:48] | kormoc: | "Sure hun, we can have kids but they're just gonna die in the poool... hardly seems worth it...." |
| [08:48:56] | justinh: | even a couple of usb webcams on those fancy extension cables – with zoneminder... |
| [08:49:05] | nutron: | kormoc: lol |
| [08:49:10] | justinh: | mythtv needs kormoc to not have kids |
| [08:49:28] | Beirdo: | chuckle |
| [08:49:43] | kormoc: | justinh, the world was spared that specific horror years ago |
| [08:49:50] | wagnerrp: | weve never had anything too large to get sucked into the skipper |
| [08:49:59] | wagnerrp: | although to be honest, larger would be better |
| [08:50:01] | nutron: | Hehe, well I was thinking those 540 line cameras would do it... |
| [08:50:11] | Beirdo: | I think the vodka suppliers in Seattle need kormoc not to have kids too |
| [08:50:20] | wagnerrp: | i could use the net, rather than having to stick my hand into the skimmer with dead animals to pull out the basket |
| [08:50:27] | Beirdo: | just imagine what it would do to his consumption rate. |
| [08:50:32] | nutron: | if I ever finish the pool house though, I don't know how the eerily stupid female college student renting it would feel about being... watched |
| [08:50:32] | justinh: | nutron: they'd be enough to solve how they get there if nothing else |
| [08:50:39] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: it would skyrocket |
| [08:50:53] | kormoc: | I measure my alcohol collection in number of health adults it can kill in a night. |
| [08:50:56] | Beirdo: | heh, either skyrocket, or go to zero |
| [08:51:00] | justinh: | nutron: oh I dunno... just don't tell her about the webcams inher bedroom ;-) |
| [08:51:15] | wagnerrp: | s/bed/bath/ |
| [08:51:18] | nutron: | yeah I use the net... never touch the dead things... |
| [08:51:37] | justinh: | though you'd still have to charge rent to maintain the cover that you don't make enough money from the live feeds ;-) |
| [08:51:41] | Beirdo: | yummy alcohol |
| [08:51:55] | nutron: | lol! |
| [08:51:57] | nutron: | haha |
| [08:52:25] | justinh: | nutrons-pool-house-babe.com |
| [08:52:52] | nutron: | nutrons-naughty-poolhouse.jp |
| [08:54:20] | kormoc: | I should be able to kill at least 22 healthy males in a hour of drinking |
| [08:54:44] | nutron: | The most interesting vid I've seen is some young japanese thing prancing around on stage.. maybe fashion show, bending over and all the guys snapping thousands of pics up her skirt.. odd yet... odd |
| [08:54:45] | kormoc: | (BAC of .4 is my death limit) |
| [08:54:55] | nutron: | like for real, not a "dirty vid" |
| [08:55:10] | nutron: | wow that low huh? |
| [08:55:26] | kormoc: | it surprised me that it takes 3 5ths to kill a person |
| [08:55:26] | Beirdo: | kormoc: yeah, you do have an impressive amount of good stuff |
| [08:55:31] | Beirdo: | low?! |
| [08:55:37] | Beirdo: | 0.40 ain't all taht low |
| [08:55:41] | kormoc: | (erm, 3 fifths to kill 2 people) |
| [08:55:48] | nutron: | Oh lol I read .04 .. nvm |
| [08:55:56] | Beirdo: | don't tell my liver that. |
| [08:56:20] | Beirdo: | I had a couple parties a few years back where I drank > 1.5l of 40% alcohol |
| [08:56:48] | kormoc: | well, my two bottles of everclear should kill 3 folks |
| [08:56:55] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:56:56] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [08:57:30] | ** justinh remembers going to a party with a litre bottle of Jack, waking up in the morning with about half an inch of it left & downing that ** | |
| [08:57:31] | nutron: | I offered my g/f to my best friend at one of those years ago... told him she wasn't that good but she'd make up for it when she cooked him breakfast... |
| [08:57:36] | nutron: | she broke up with me :/ |
| [08:58:07] | justinh: | my back hurt for a couple of days after that, but that coulda been more down to the sex on the stairs |
| [08:58:08] | kormoc: | imagine that |
| [08:58:22] | nutron: | I know hey? =) |
| [08:58:40] | nutron: | stairs? Ouch. |
| [08:59:20] | nutron: | k i'm headin' home to play with pci latency! |
| [08:59:28] | nutron: | cy'all tomato |
| [08:59:36] | justinh: | fun unlimited! |
| [08:59:52] | nutron: | lol |
| [08:59:57] | kormoc: | where in the world are ya nutron? |
| [09:00:13] | nutron: | near you |
| [09:00:18] | nutron: | in the okanagan |
| [09:00:26] | kormoc: | huh, second shifter? |
| [09:01:03] | nutron: | nah, worse... the boss :/ 16 hour days ftw |
| [09:01:39] | kormoc: | ahh, but it's rewarding, right? right? |
| [09:01:42] | ** kormoc shifty eyes ** | |
| [09:02:35] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [09:02:58] | Beirdo: | well, I think I've done enough damage for one night |
| [09:03:12] | Beirdo: | I'll just watch to the end of this Family Guy and go to bed |
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| [09:09:59] | ** justinh shudders. that onvif stuff must be a PITA for manufacturers to support ** | |
| [09:10:10] | justinh: | Why doesn't device X work with device Y? |
| [09:10:26] | justinh: | think that'd be why we didn't bother with it |
| [09:10:59] | justinh: | customers are stupid enough as it is – asking questions like "how much does the DVR weigh when the HDD is full?" |
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| [09:15:17] | zoran119: | hey, what kind of load do you see on your backend machines when there are no frontends connected? |
| [09:15:22] | justinh: | oo that commflag wrapper script is now doing 'proper' flags. on his local copy |
| [09:15:30] | justinh: | zoran119: depends what I'm doing |
| [09:15:45] | justinh: | load average: 1.64, 0.77, 0.57 right now |
| [09:15:45] | zoran119: | i'm getting a load average of about 0.7 to 1 |
| [09:16:07] | Beirdo: | now get him to implement it as C++ code that can run in the real commflagger. |
| [09:16:10] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:16:13] | Beirdo: | anyways, bed time |
| [09:16:28] | justinh: | Beirdo: it still needs to be tweakable. I'm not routing for hard-coded settings |
| [09:16:34] | zoran119: | this is with no recordings, no frontends active, no user jobs... |
| [09:16:39] | zoran119: | it seems a bit high |
| [09:16:58] | justinh: | 'seems a bit high' based upon what evidence? |
| [09:17:17] | kormoc: | zoran119, so you're worried about having a single process in the queue?? |
| [09:18:02] | justinh: | ZOMG! Mythbackend is sitting there using 4% CPU right now! :-O |
| [09:18:08] | zoran119: | well... i don't have a problem with high load... as long as i know why it is high |
| [09:18:26] | kormoc: | zoran119, you shouldn't have a problem with any load as that load number doesn't mean what you think it means |
| [09:18:43] | justinh: | averages are the very worst kind of statistic |
| [09:19:39] | zoran119: | well, put it this way... i stop mythbackend process and the load stays at 0.05... i start it with no jobs, recording, live tv or anyting and it shoots up to 1 |
| [09:19:46] | zoran119: | my question is, what's it doing? |
| [09:19:59] | kormoc: | Check the log? run strace on the thread? |
| [09:20:38] | kormoc: | but seriously, ignore load numbers, what's your cpu usage percent as reported by top? |
| [09:20:43] | zoran119: | kormoc: might do that actually... |
| [09:21:02] | zoran119: | kormoc: the cpu's are harldy being used according to htop |
| [09:21:15] | zoran119: | so, i'm thinking is it disk io? |
| [09:21:19] | zoran119: | not sure... |
| [09:21:38] | kormoc: | the backend is just in a uninterruptible sleep state, tis all |
| [09:22:09] | zoran119: | kormoc: ok... i'll have to do some research to see what that means... |
| [09:22:27] | kormoc: | it's likely running a housekeeping thread |
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| [09:27:39] | Saviq: | hi all, is it possible to split a recording? some shows I have get two episodes per recording, and I'd like to split those into separate recordings, is that possible, or do I need to transcode the files out of recordings? |
| [09:28:15] | justinh: | Saviq: somebody made a user job script which can do that |
| [09:28:26] | justinh: | but it'd do it in 2 passes IIRC |
| [09:28:37] | justinh: | by 'it' I mean YOU would ;) |
| [09:30:13] | justinh: | I think it was mzb who made the script |
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| [09:33:16] | justinh: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Cutting_Music_Videos |
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| [09:34:52] | justinh: | I seem to remember it operates by you placing markers in areas you want to keep (edit recording) & then it'll go & split everything in the green areas into different files |
| [09:36:28] | mzb: | no, not that good/complex |
| [09:36:59] | mzb: | start+end points ++ rename to suit => cut to file |
| [09:37:09] | mzb: | rinse&repeat |
| [09:37:38] | Saviq: | yeah I'm using that, but I hoped I could keep it in recordings |
| [09:37:53] | mzb: | OR |
| [09:37:54] | Saviq: | I'd have to write myself one that ~dupes the entry in recorded |
| [09:38:16] | mzb: | just copy the original file, import it, and then edit both to suit |
| [09:38:16] | Saviq: | dupes the file and then I could cut them out |
| [09:38:39] | mzb: | OR back to method1 and import it |
| [09:38:47] | Saviq: | import it? |
| [09:39:01] | mzb: | mythtvimport.pl? |
| [09:39:08] | mzb: | ^ something like that |
| [09:39:15] | mzb: | iirc it's in contrib (?) |
| [09:40:24] | Saviq: | ok thanks for that, will evaluate my options :) |
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| [09:40:54] | justinh: | now I know a bit more about how the cutlist works I think it'd be quite simple to make a user job that splits a recording to 2 recordings |
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| [09:41:24] | justinh: | so you could go in, set the boundaries of the things you want to split & it'll go off & actually make 2 new files |
| [09:42:04] | justinh: | mythcommflag --getcutlist to get the in/out points, then create new files off that |
| [09:42:20] | justinh: | wonder if there's anything in bindings to allow 'making' a recording for that |
| [09:42:31] | justinh: | i.e. properly not just stuffing it into the db |
| [09:43:35] | tob_: | i'm trying to use the gentoo ebuilds and get an error while i try to emerge mythtv |
| [09:44:05] | justinh: | prolly something not in your USE flags that mythtv needs |
| [09:44:06] | tob_: | configure complains: "Unknown option "--enable-xvmc-opengl" |
| [09:44:26] | justinh: | or something in your USE flags mythtv no longer supports ;-) |
| [09:45:07] | tob_: | ./configure --help shows that ther only is the option "--enable-xvmc" ... |
| [09:47:04] | tob_: | other question, i'm using the vdpau profiles... does it actually make sense to enable xvmc? |
| [09:47:44] | justinh: | nope |
| [09:47:54] | justinh: | infact VDPAU capable stuff doesn't even support xvmc IIRC |
| [09:47:57] | tob_: | :-) |
| [09:48:19] | justinh: | maybe you just need to look at your USE flags & do away with xvmc |
| [09:48:55] | tob_: | jep, already removed.. |
| [09:50:02] | tob_: | seems to work |
| [09:50:03] | justinh: | unless the ebuild is broked |
| [09:50:40] | tob_: | using the 0.24... from github |
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| [09:52:23] | justinh: | I dunno. not used gentoo for years now |
| [09:52:27] | justinh: | I don't miss it one bit |
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| [09:53:28] | kormoc: | yes, it's a issue with the current 0.24 ebuilds in our tree |
| [09:53:44] | kormoc: | I'll be fixing it soon |
| [09:54:06] | kormoc: | and aye, XvMC is disappearing so no use worrying over it |
| [09:54:31] | justinh: | aww but what about all the peeps with flea-pea-aye-ay hardwares? :-O :-D |
| [09:54:49] | justinh: | oh yeah. they can still use 0.23 in perpetuity :D |
| [09:54:59] | kormoc: | exactly |
| [09:55:04] | justinh: | as will I be at this rate |
| [09:56:42] | tob_: | kormoc: how to the ebuilds work? are they always on the lates 0.24 fixes? |
| [09:57:21] | justinh: | I think I need to look at that er.. thingy |
| [09:57:23] | kormoc: | I update them between every day to once a week or so, it's by hand right now but the plan is to get it automated, aye |
| [09:57:42] | kormoc: | once it's automated, it'll be nightly |
| [09:59:29] | hashbang: | morning all |
| [10:00:26] | tob_: | nice |
| [10:00:33] | justinh: | hashbang: mornang |
| [10:00:52] | justinh: | grr what was the name of that thing.. |
| [10:01:13] | justinh: | the internet video feed that stuffs things into the recorded programs dealy |
| [10:01:22] | hashbang: | xmltv? |
| [10:01:25] | justinh: | no |
| [10:01:30] | hashbang: | mythnetvision? |
| [10:01:33] | hashbang: | mythvodka? |
| [10:01:36] | justinh: | it's an RSS aggregator |
| [10:01:38] | justinh: | not those |
| [10:02:36] | justinh: | it's not on the unofficial plugins list either |
| [10:03:22] | kormoc: | the miro one? |
| [10:03:27] | justinh: | ah yeah that was it |
| [10:04:17] | justinh: | argh mirobridge is python |
| [10:17:23] | justinh: | hmm I guess I wouldn't really need proper bindings for this. just use the existing recording data, use a different filename & append something to the title or subtitle |
| [10:17:37] | justinh: | then the user can always go back & edit metadata themselves |
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| [10:41:27] | hashbang: | justinh: new version of mythcommflag-wrapper if you're interested |
| [10:42:18] | tob_: | is it normal that after installing from the ebuild the mythtv version is "Unknown" ? |
| [10:44:59] | justinh: | hashbang: got one last night |
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| [10:48:25] | justinh: | hashbang: or has it been updated since then? |
| [10:48:36] | justinh: | I've made my mind up it needs profiles |
| [10:48:40] | hashbang: | justinh: yeah, just now! :-) |
| [10:49:03] | hashbang: | justinh: yeah, the whitelisting bit is pretty ugly |
| [10:49:08] | justinh: | so I'm thinking about taking the callsign whitelist out & making it external |
| [10:49:34] | hashbang: | justinh: adding a column to the channel table? |
| [10:49:34] | justinh: | prolly neater to slap xml around it |
| [10:49:42] | justinh: | nah not yet |
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| [10:50:20] | justinh: | I was thinking about making profiles so that different shows – i.e. those with sponsor bumpers can be tweaked to catch them |
| [10:50:51] | hashbang: | yeah, makes sense |
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| [10:52:08] | justinh: | my wife was happy with the autocuts last night. for about 2 programmes worth |
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| [10:52:18] | justinh: | then she moaned about the sponsor messages |
| [10:52:19] | justinh: | grrr |
| [10:52:47] | justinh: | for some reason though, it totally cut the annoying 118 bastards out of The Simpsons |
| [10:53:16] | justinh: | that was a very big win indeed :) |
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| [10:55:11] | justinh: | fis unlock jffs2 |
| [10:55:13] | justinh: | bugger |
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| [10:57:30] | hashbang: | justinh: some people are never satisfied. :-] |
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| [11:04:30] | justinh: | there are good sides & bad sides to that ;-) |
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| [11:08:59] | staylo: | Was someone working on the silence detection method of advert break marking (UK broadcasts) recently? Think I saw something on the scrollback but didn't catch the specifics |
| [11:09:46] | justinh: | see the channel log |
| [11:11:17] | ** justinh smites a friend for bleating about the Open Rights Group ** | |
| [11:11:43] | justinh: | carefully, mind. I got a right roasting from a lot of people last time I troll baited |
| [11:13:08] | hashbang: | staylo: yup. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythcommflag-wrapper |
| [11:13:26] | hashbang: | justinh: was he pro- or anti-ORG? |
| [11:13:40] | justinh: | pro |
| [11:13:53] | justinh: | called him a freetard |
| [11:13:58] | hashbang: | tut-tut |
| [11:14:05] | hashbang: | not all of us ORGers are. |
| [11:14:28] | justinh: | he was on the wafer thin argument about bittorrent search results |
| [11:15:17] | justinh: | and now they're on about DRM. Politely asking companies to stop using DRM, or trying to legislate against it is futile. Get people voting with their cash |
| [11:15:44] | staylo: | hashbang: Excellent, thanks |
| [11:15:58] | justinh: | "RapidShare is one of the most popular websites worldwide. Every day hundreds of thousands of users rely on our services to pursue their perfectly legitimate interests". ROFLMAO |
| [11:16:23] | hashbang: | justinh: well, I think I used mediafire to host an 80MB sample file for a MythTV bug. :-) |
| [11:17:26] | justinh: | IMHO it's tenuous to suggest a non-negligable proportion of their users are legit |
| [11:17:45] | hashbang: | justinh: Linus had it right with "he who writes the code [or makes the TV show] gets to choose the license" |
| [11:18:39] | hashbang: | justinh: but I do have some sympathy with 'freetards' who believe that society would win more than it loses by creators /voluntarily/ making their stuff (more) freely usable. |
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| [11:20:08] | justinh: | as a some time content creator I absolutely abhor the concept of giving it away |
| [11:22:58] | hashbang: | justinh: depends on the type of work |
| [11:23:36] | hashbang: | justinh: even Stallman distinguishes between functional works (code, recipes), expressive (art, music, movies) and biographical. |
| [11:23:53] | justinh: | if they're talking about blockbuster movies being given away they're not living on the same planet |
| [11:24:27] | justinh: | whether stuff is worth paying for or not is a matter of opinion. I vote with my wallet |
| [11:24:35] | hashbang: | justinh: sure |
| [11:24:42] | hashbang: | justinh: games, too |
| [11:25:07] | justinh: | I'm not saying it's all black & white but some people make out like it is – and that's the majority of where my "bah, ORG are freetards" attitude comes from |
| [11:25:15] | ** justinh blames El Reg ** | |
| [11:25:16] | hashbang: | justinh: some indie/low-budget games and movies are jolly good, but if you want a SFX- and star-laden hollywood explosion fest, that won't be cheap. |
| [11:25:47] | justinh: | and yeah some DRM is stupidly restrictive but IMHO customers are the only people who can change things |
| [11:25:55] | justinh: | stop frickin lying down & taking it |
| [11:26:20] | hashbang: | justinh: yup. Campaigning for legislation is a good long-term goal, but money talks louder. |
| [11:26:33] | hashbang: | justinh: see Amazon selling plain unadulterated MP3s. |
| [11:26:35] | AndyCap: | hashbang: best if you pay the legislature |
| [11:26:36] | justinh: | I very much doubt any MP is gonna listen to them |
| [11:27:01] | justinh: | get customers to stop buying :) |
| [11:27:18] | justinh: | hashbang: I wanna see amazon selling FLAC |
| [11:27:23] | justinh: | or *anybody* |
| [11:27:27] | ** hashbang avoided DVDs until the DRM was comprehensively cracked and most DVD players could be trivially made multi-region. ** | |
| [11:27:41] | hashbang: | justinh: the Russians were selling FLACs |
| [11:27:54] | justinh: | yeah – and passing themselves of as legit |
| [11:27:54] | hashbang: | justinh: no guarantee they weren't transcoded from 64kbps MP3s, though. :-) |
| [11:28:00] | justinh: | oo I pay – must be legit! |
| [11:28:22] | AndyCap: | btw, users of illegal drugs have been voting with their money for a long time, doesn't seem to help :> |
| [11:28:26] | justinh: | pees me off how limited the choice is from online stores |
| [11:28:42] | hashbang: | justinh: well, the Russian law looked sufficiently complex that they did have a case, and no-one got put in jail for infringement, so... |
| [11:29:15] | justinh: | there's nothing but album/radio versions. very little in the way of remixes or extended/alternative versions. unless you want 'made famous by' karaoke/cover versions |
| [11:29:17] | hashbang: | justinh: even the Russian police kept changing their minds about it. |
| [11:29:21] | justinh: | plenty of dupes too |
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| [11:30:36] | justinh: | one of the russian sites I used before I realised it was prolly dodgy actually had loads of stuff I couldn't get anywhere else |
| [11:30:39] | justinh: | *good* stuff |
| [11:30:47] | justinh: | mediacorp is missing a trick |
| [11:31:03] | justinh: | it's not like it costs them a packet to offer *more* choice |
| [11:31:42] | justinh: | back in the day when I bought CD singles a new song would come out on 2 or 3 discs, each with about 4 different remixes on it |
| [11:31:55] | justinh: | they still have the remixes made but can you download them? pfft |
| [11:32:49] | justinh: | anyway... I'll have a peek at the updated update of the updated script update |
| [11:37:30] | justinh: | whoah. if I go ahead & do my recording splitter script it'd be possible to make an advert archiver :D |
| [11:38:21] | justinh: | come to think about it, who are the sad gits who record ads & upload them to youtube? |
| [11:39:02] | AndyCap: | I like tha, handy when you need to show someone the ad for "bacon" beggin strips |
| [11:39:51] | justinh: | I'm a very big fan of Munkeh.. the wooly character they used to promote ITV Digital |
| [11:40:13] | justinh: | I wish I had good quality recordings of those ads |
| [11:40:50] | AndyCap: | reminds me to see if someone sells max headroom on dvd or anything. |
| [11:40:59] | justinh: | anyway – I reckon you could sell an ad archiving system over here |
| [11:41:18] | justinh: | like the mythical subtitle archival/search system |
| [11:41:31] | justinh: | oh and MHEG archival too |
| [11:41:47] | AndyCap: | Wut? The original British version of the movie was released to the Japanese DVD rental market |
| [11:41:50] | justinh: | limited market, but big bucks |
| [11:41:57] | justinh: | it was British? |
| [11:42:23] | AndyCap: | Max Headroom? yeah. |
| [11:44:03] | justinh: | heh course it was |
| [11:47:42] | justinh: | whoah they made a whole series out of it?! |
| [11:49:32] | justinh: | ugh. no PAL version available |
| [11:50:35] | AndyCap: | that's probably hoping for too much. |
| [11:50:51] | justinh: | ironic though isn't it? |
| [11:51:12] | justinh: | made in the UK, for the UK (ish).. and no PAL version |
| [11:51:50] | hashbang: | same with British metal bands; do far better in mainland Europe than in Britain. :-/ |
| [11:52:08] | hashbang: | we just import all the heavily-marketed Yank metal. |
| [11:52:19] | justinh: | must've got pretty good ratings back in the day though.. we only had 4 channels in 1982 |
| [11:52:24] | justinh: | er 1985 |
| [11:52:55] | justinh: | woulda been up against the South Bank show or similar :) |
| [11:56:04] | AndyCap: | can't remember where I first saw max headroom, it was on one of the evil youth-corrupting satellite channels. :P |
| [11:56:13] | AndyCap: | sky or super channel. |
| [11:57:48] | justinh: | I remember seeing the trailers for the original tv movie thinking "MUST SEE THIS" |
| [11:57:57] | justinh: | saw it, taped it.. watched it loads of times |
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| [11:58:11] | justinh: | and strangely, not much of the synopsis on wikipedia looks familiar |
| [11:58:30] | justinh: | then the music clips series came along.. that was okay |
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| [12:12:26] | justinh: | hahaha. I just learned the truth about our zeroconf stuff. oh dear oh dear |
| [12:13:10] | ** justinh whoops at not having to learn about ipv6 after all ** | |
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| [12:21:08] | justinh: | awk 'BEGIN{start=0;ORS="\n"}{if($2-start<'$MAXCOMMBREAKSECS') {finish=$2} else {print "INSERT INTO recordedmarkup (chanid,starttime,mark,type) VALUES ('$CHANID',\"'"$STARTTIME"'\","int(start*25+1)",4) ;\nINSERT INTO recordedmarkup (chanid,starttime,mark,type) VALUES ('$CHANID',\"'"$STARTTIME"'\","int(finish*25–25)& quot;,5);"; start=$1; finish=$2;}}END{print "INSERT INTO recordedmarkup (chanid,starttime,mark,type) VALUES ('$ |
| [12:21:37] | justinh: | needs a function methinks :P |
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| [12:52:27] | justinh: | and I think I need to gen up on awk |
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| [13:00:14] | justinh: | this is a slightly interesting read: http://mashable.com/2011/01/31/connected-device-experiment/ |
| [13:02:47] | justinh: | basically says they tested some households & gave them 'connected' devices like boxee, googletv etc & the households missed linear tv. bless |
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| [13:03:26] | justinh: | gawd, I couldn't stand watching TV over christmas at relatives' houses. linear TV sucks |
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| [13:13:46] | toeb: | is the miro ebuild supposed to work? |
| [13:14:39] | hashbang: | justinh: yeah, nearly tagged that line with a comment reading "#gnarly!" |
| [13:14:44] | toeb: | i get "[..] work/Miro-2.5.2/platform/gtk-x11/xine/xine.c:1:2: error: #error Do not use this file, it is the result of a failed Pyrex compilation." |
| [13:16:01] | justinh: | hashbang: strangley that line is much more readable posted in here ;-) |
| [13:16:19] | justinh: | the whole thing needs formatting better |
| [13:16:34] | justinh: | I might redo it in something I know.. like perl lol |
| [13:17:07] | justinh: | well I say 'know'.. I've had more experience with perl than awk |
| [13:18:20] | hashbang: | justinh: that line just works like the original one |
| [13:18:53] | hashbang: | justinh: except instead of outputting a-b,c-d,e-f... it outputs SQL to generate type 4 and 5 marks with a newline between them. |
| [13:19:14] | justinh: | I figured that much already |
| [13:19:24] | justinh: | I've not seen what it's parsing though |
| [13:19:25] | ** AndyCap misses linear tv. ** | |
| [13:19:29] | AndyCap: | maybe my aim is off. |
| [13:19:33] | hashbang: | justinh: literally, the code is the same, just the static strings change from "-" to loads of SQL |
| [13:19:56] | ** hashbang hands AndyCap a laser gunsight. ** | |
| [13:20:17] | justinh: | hashbang: yeah but I want to abstract that out |
| [13:20:55] | justinh: | or at least shove a bunch of variables in so the in & out points can be tweaked some |
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| [13:22:06] | justinh: | eew tab formatting too |
| [13:22:49] | justinh: | bugger it cleans up after itself |
| [13:23:16] | justinh: | and how is anybody debugging this if it' |
| [13:23:39] | justinh: | gah. if it's making entries in tables that mess it up even after clearing them out for a 2nd run? |
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| [13:27:26] | hashbang: | justinh: # CUTLIST="USE $MYTHDB; $CUTLIST" rm -rf $TMPDIR |
| [13:27:54] | hashbang: | that rm is the one that cleans up at the end of silence_detect() |
| [13:28:53] | justinh: | heh yeah I got that |
| [13:29:35] | justinh: | I might redo this using bindings |
| [13:29:35] | hashbang: | justinh: can't think of any table entries that should screw it up; delete from recordedmarkup where chanid=CHAN and starttime=STARTTIME; update recorded set cutlist=0,commflagged=0 where chanid=CHAN and starttime=STARTTIME |
| [13:30:14] | justinh: | yeah but the other one putting entries in the cutlist – if it got different results for a silence detection it'd mess up bigstyle |
| [13:31:59] | justinh: | and this time it's just doing a --gencutlist – which'll do it from the commflag markup stuff |
| [13:32:53] | justinh: | the concept is proved now anyway. silence detection works fine – with a few provisos |
| [13:34:41] | justinh: | I've got the concept that all awk is doing is stripping the output of mp3splt & turning that into numbers |
| [13:35:42] | justinh: | I still dunno why it wasn't done as a user job & passing all the params needed that way instead |
| [13:37:02] | justinh: | saves being so invasive with /usr/bin that way too |
| [13:40:18] | justinh: | I suppose it's six of one evil, half a dozen of others |
| [13:40:42] | justinh: | i.e. either mess with /usr/bin files or have to go into mythtv-setup to add a job etc, restart the backend.. |
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| [13:45:30] | ** justinh sees the dilemma ** | |
| [13:48:01] | hashbang: | justinh: yup. My priority was to have commflagging work perfectly from the UI. I figure that maximises WAF at the expense of a bit more work for hubbie. What's new? :-) |
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| [14:05:07] | justinh: | also isn't there a dropin config thingy for mythcommflag? |
| [14:05:34] | justinh: | that's probably another thing needing mythtv-setup & a backend kick too though |
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| [14:06:47] | justinh: | oh yeah there it is |
| [14:07:14] | justinh: | though that might have been removed ;-) |
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| [14:17:23] | Captain_Murdoch: | justinh, yeah, that setting was added exactly for things like this. it would probably be nicer if it wasn't bash, but I originally added that setting to allow users to try other flagging programs. |
| [14:19:56] | hashbang: | Captain_Murdoch: any chance that the job queue command could just have some format strings in it for the parameters, rather than mythcommflag getting special treatment? |
| [14:20:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | parameters like what? jobid, chanid, starttime, etc. are all available to you. |
| [14:20:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | even dir and filename I believe. |
| [14:21:02] | hashbang: | for the commflagger command as well as the user job commands? |
| [14:21:06] | Captain_Murdoch: | yes |
| [14:21:13] | hashbang: | Oh, OK. :-) |
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| [14:21:45] | Captain_Murdoch: | commflagger is just a special case where if we use the internal mythcommflag, then I know I have to pass specific args to it, I don't rely on the user correctly configuring that setting in mythtv-setup. |
| [14:21:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | ditto for mythtranscode |
| [14:22:29] | hashbang: | Captain_Murdoch: my reading of the code was that if the user did 'begin commercial detection' from the recording browser, if it was 'mythcommflag' it'd run it with -j $JOB -V $VERBOSITY, but everything else got no paramters and had to figure out what the user wanted all by itself. |
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| [14:23:45] | Captain_Murdoch: | JobQueue::GetJobCommand() calls tmpInfo->SubstituteMatches(command); which does the % substitutions |
| [14:23:59] | justinh: | gah I still can't find the mp3splt log |
| [14:24:17] | hashbang: | justinh: /tmp/mythcommflag.$SOMETHING/mp3splt.log |
| [14:24:26] | Captain_Murdoch: | it calls SubstituteMatches whenver the command isn't "mythtranscode" or "mythcommflag" |
| [14:24:42] | hashbang: | Captain_Murdoch: OK, maybe I'll have a tidy up of that, then |
| [14:24:43] | justinh: | hashbang: exactly |
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| [14:25:05] | justinh: | ah. I thought I was in the mythtv group :-\ |
| [14:25:17] | hashbang: | justinh: ls -Al --sort time /tmp/mythcommflag.* |
| [14:25:26] | Captain_Murdoch: | is $SOMETHING the pid? migth be better to change that to chanid.starttime if it is pid currently. |
| [14:25:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | or starttime.chanid for sorting by date |
| [14:25:54] | hashbang: | Captain_Murdoch: it's a mktemp random string |
| [14:26:39] | ** justinh checks his group perms ** | |
| [14:27:17] | justinh: | mythtv:x:126:justin hrm |
| [14:28:10] | justinh: | heh seeing the output of mp3splt hasn't helped much |
| [14:34:18] | justinh: | awk. it gets the job done but by God it's ugly |
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| [14:38:02] | hashbang: | justinh: yeah, I had fun with getting it to generate SQL last night |
| [14:38:22] | hashbang: | justinh: did you notice the cheeky sed at the end because awk can't print literal ' characters? ;-) |
| [14:38:38] | justinh: | yeah |
| [14:39:40] | justinh: | I can't work out how it's getting those numbers out of that list |
| [14:39:42] | hashbang: | the space in $STARTTIME was causing it to blow up, when it worked on the command line with a dummy value for $STARTTIME |
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| [14:40:18] | hashbang: | start=$1; finish=$2; |
| [14:41:26] | justinh: | yeah but those are start & ends of detected silences aren't they? |
| [14:41:56] | hashbang: | what numbers, then? |
| [14:42:09] | justinh: | ail --lines=+3 mp3splt.log|sort -g |
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| [14:42:13] | justinh: | grr |
| [14:42:26] | justinh: | tail --lines=+3 mp3splt.log|sort -g on a recording produces a list like this: |
| [14:42:31] | justinh: | 32.279999 34.389999 211 |
| [14:42:46] | hashbang: | so $1 will be 32.279999 and $2 will be 34.389999 |
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| [14:49:25] | justinh: | I really haven't messed with awk before, and it shows :P |
| [14:51:47] | justinh: | so between BEGIN and END.. that's a loop. my brain isn't made for this stuff |
| [14:52:19] | justinh: | and you're getting away with not having defined start in the 1st place |
| [14:52:27] | justinh: | oops no |
| [14:52:40] | justinh: | how did I catch baby brain syndrome from my wife? ffs |
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| [14:57:10] | swerve: | hey – was just thinking last night that i don't agree with the anti-live tv bias |
| [14:57:39] | swerve: | my reasoning is that technically when you watch live tv you are recording anyway :poke |
| [14:57:45] | swerve: | so what's the difference |
| [14:57:59] | swerve: | if you want to make it literal, just press 'r' |
| [14:58:02] | swerve: | ;-) |
| [14:59:08] | justinh: | get a few hundred channels & try to find something to watch when your favourite show isn't on |
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| [15:05:48] | toeb: | justinh: you could use channelgroups... |
| [15:05:51] | skd5aner: | swerve: most people around here, especially devs it seems, have an anti-live TV bias... but there are plenty of people who still enjoy live TV for whatever reason that suits them... I'm on of those people |
| [15:06:24] | skd5aner: | even the devs admit that Live TV serves "a" purpose, it's just that almost all of them never use it |
| [15:06:43] | justinh: | life is too short to just veg out in front of the teevee, man |
| [15:06:51] | toeb: | i do this for some radiochannels i use often.. |
| [15:06:51] | skd5aner: | yea yea yea |
| [15:07:04] | justinh: | here "a" purpose is testing the tuners work ;-) |
| [15:07:13] | skd5aner: | justinh: I find that recorded TV causes me to "veg out" in front of the TV way more than live tv :P |
| [15:07:34] | justinh: | I find that since my little lad came along I get to watch maybe 2 hours a week |
| [15:07:40] | skd5aner: | "oh, my 10 shows recorded in the last 2 days – must sit down and watch" |
| [15:08:01] | toeb: | justinh: and if i do "view" radio i'm in fact not in front of the tv... |
| [15:08:03] | justinh: | I seriously need to get my wife weaned off ITV |
| [15:08:27] | justinh: | toeb: I could just continue to NOT USE LIVETV. Live & let live |
| [15:08:31] | skd5aner: | verus – "I'm going to clean up the house, it would be nice if the TV were on" or "hey, there's a game on, I guess I could turn that on while doing some work as I don't care enough to setup a rule for it, I just want something to occupy the background" |
| [15:09:02] | justinh: | besides, I've seen how terrible start & channel change times are :P |
| [15:09:17] | justinh: | *since I changed to using Ubuntu |
| [15:09:17] | skd5aner: | because, 98% of things that we have a recording rule for, i want to pay attention to – Live TV is great for those situations where you just want something in the background |
| [15:09:50] | skd5aner: | justinh: yea, I will agree with that – Live TV can be (very) painful sometimes |
| [15:09:59] | skd5aner: | but it's not too bad |
| [15:10:03] | toeb: | justinh: i don't want you to use livetv, i just want to say, there are a few cases where using livetv makes sense.. |
| [15:10:16] | skd5aner: | I will say that Live TV via MythTV is not good, and I never use it for, channel surfing |
| [15:10:37] | justinh: | well sure. but not when I'm visiting relatives. I hate their shows. I hate how they just can't be bothered to record stuff they watch every day & skip the ads |
| [15:11:14] | justinh: | if you're sat in a room for 3 hours or longer, with commercial TV on .. I find it a deeply annoying experience |
| [15:11:21] | skd5aner: | justinh: actually, thats one of the major reasons when I still use live TV, when I have relatives/friends come to visit |
| [15:11:28] | justinh: | I could leave the room but apparently that's viewed as rude |
| [15:11:46] | justinh: | rude, in my book is subjecting your guests to your taste in TV :P |
| [15:11:58] | skd5aner: | justinh: yup |
| [15:12:09] | skd5aner: | ... and at your timetable |
| [15:12:21] | justinh: | like HELLO we came to visit you |
| [15:12:28] | skd5aner: | they might have already watched that episode, or etc |
| [15:12:44] | justinh: | guests come to our house I turn the telly off |
| [15:13:00] | skd5aner: | well, when guests come to my house for a week, they're going to want to watch TV at some point |
| [15:13:06] | justinh: | aye |
| [15:13:08] | ** hashbang lols at justinh's "baby brain". :) ** | |
| [15:13:30] | justinh: | I'm just saying I felt like I was being brainwashed by ads & I dunno how everybody puts up with it |
| [15:13:47] | justinh: | and seriously – I HAVE to get my wife weaned off ITV |
| [15:13:57] | skd5aner: | anyway – I don't care that some people don't use Live TV – I just get confused and upset by the fact that they're so ANTI-live TV and have to shove that back in your face :P |
| [15:14:00] | justinh: | I know television is about tuning out but CHRIST |
| [15:14:14] | skd5aner: | (that comment wasn't necessarily directed at you justinh :) ) |
| [15:14:42] | justinh: | I'm quite a vehement supporter of non-live tv |
| [15:15:13] | justinh: | you guys should be happy anyway – doesn't somebody have an eye on improving the er .. 'experience' ? |
| [15:15:27] | skd5aner: | yea, but I take it as your opinion... some people are quite more forceful in pushing that opinion on you |
| [15:16:05] | justinh: | if I only ever watched stuff live I doubt I'd ever get to see anything at all :-\ |
| [15:16:13] | justinh: | not without getting my own telly |
| [15:16:44] | skd5aner: | Well, like I said – if I recorded something, I want to give it 100% of my attention... that's why I recorded it |
| [15:16:47] | swerve: | skd5aner: me too. i use live tv just to run on my PC in the background while i'm doing other stuff |
| [15:16:50] | justinh: | she's got all day to watch her crap :-) |
| [15:17:02] | skd5aner: | if I want something that takes up only part of my attention, or little of it, then that's what Live TV is for |
| [15:17:23] | justinh: | ahh the need for background noise in people's lives. I can't relate to that |
| [15:17:23] | skd5aner: | For example, I might turn on a random football game on Sunday's but only watch 10% of it |
| [15:17:36] | swerve: | right – to check in on a breaking news story, or get the latest weather, etc. |
| [15:17:50] | justinh: | don't get me started on rolling news lol |
| [15:17:59] | skd5aner: | I definitely am not going to set up a recording rule for something that I'm going to spend 10% of time watching |
| [15:18:26] | awalls: | Weather radar, doesn't make for interesting recorded TV |
| [15:18:38] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [15:18:39] | swerve: | not radar, the report ;-) |
| [15:18:54] | skd5aner: | Look, there were storms here 5 hours ago! |
| [15:18:58] | swerve: | when you live in the northeast US, it comes in handy, believe me |
| [15:19:09] | awalls: | I use Live TV most of the time. |
| [15:19:16] | justinh: | hashbang: playing with the numbers now to see if they can be made repeatable for sponsor annoyances |
| [15:19:19] | awalls: | The wife uses recorded TV for soaps. |
| [15:19:44] | skd5aner: | heh – I don't think I've ever been in here when there was only 1 anti-live tv person and 5+ live tiv people ;) |
| [15:20:32] | justinh: | DELETE FROM channel WHERE name LIKE "%ITV%"; |
| [15:20:39] | justinh: | muhahahaha |
| [15:20:43] | justinh: | I SO want to do that |
| [15:20:46] | skd5aner: | Of all my TV watching, I would say Live TV is ~10%, and I'm just talking about TV on time, not necessarily sitting on the couch intimiately watching TV |
| [15:20:50] | swerve: | i'm going to keep going with the idea that there's no such thing as live tv |
| [15:21:07] | swerve: | it's all being recorded anyway |
| [15:21:31] | swerve: | to be against it is an illogical bias against non-time shifting ;-) |
| [15:21:41] | skd5aner: | swerve: really, most devs consider "Live TV" to be non-scheduled recordings – not weither it goes to a ringbuffer and gets written to disk or not |
| [15:21:50] | skd5aner: | in a sense |
| [15:22:02] | awalls: | I use pause and resume. So I guess it's not totally live. :) |
| [15:22:04] | justinh: | bugger. still 3 frames out |
| [15:22:07] | AndyCap: | Time to implement a counter like some computer games? mythweb/status You have wasted 36.5 hours of your life watching live tv. |
| [15:22:09] | swerve: | awalls: exactly |
| [15:22:18] | skd5aner: | are you using DVR for time shifting, or are you looking for something that's near real-time broadcast without a recording rule? |
| [15:22:39] | swerve: | why not both? |
| [15:22:41] | swerve: | :-) |
| [15:22:45] | AndyCap: | You have 1845 hours of unwatched recordings, and have currently watched 4% of your total recordings. |
| [15:22:45] | justinh: | I have to confess in the mornings if I want to catch some news before I leave the house I just put the TV on |
| [15:22:48] | justinh: | no mythtv though |
| [15:23:00] | awalls: | skd5aner: For me: not time shifting. For the wife: time shifting |
| [15:23:11] | skd5aner: | justinh: OHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! BUSTED!!!! |
| [15:23:12] | justinh: | livetv in myth absolutely needs improving to the stage where I'd consider it suitable for human consumption |
| [15:23:12] | skd5aner: | ;) |
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| [15:23:25] | skd5aner: | justinh: hey, that's a fair enough statement!!! |
| [15:23:49] | awalls: | I also use PiP. |
| [15:23:58] | justinh: | I CBA to go through the rigmarole of going in, trying to find the right channel.. |
| [15:24:01] | awalls: | That's probably no too useful for recorded shows. |
| [15:24:03] | skd5aner: | justinh: I can agree with that... it's "servicable" but not really fun for prime-time usage |
| [15:24:04] | awalls: | :) |
| [15:24:08] | swerve: | justinh: how so? |
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| [15:24:21] | justinh: | because it always starts on the last channel it used. |
| [15:24:24] | ** AndyCap has used worse set-top boxes ** | |
| [15:24:43] | skd5aner: | alright, fun debate here... but I've got work to do |
| [15:24:43] | swerve: | i like that feature |
| [15:24:45] | skd5aner: | later |
| [15:24:56] | skd5aner: | well... one last comment |
| [15:25:11] | justinh: | channel change time is absolutely awful. My backend is faster now than it's ever been – and when it was a gentoo 800mhz athlon channel change times in livetv when I was testing tuners was way quicker |
| [15:25:23] | justinh: | and when I say way I mean a factor of ten or so |
| [15:25:45] | justinh: | I *could* go in & start breaking it down but I don't care enough about it to do so :) |
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| [15:25:49] | swerve: | channel change is pretty bad |
| [15:26:02] | swerve: | isn't that more to do with the hardware, though? |
| [15:26:07] | justinh: | no |
| [15:26:10] | swerve: | ok |
| [15:26:16] | justinh: | I mean 3 secs or so would be ok |
| [15:26:18] | skd5aner: | in 0.24 they changed the way that tuners tune live TV related to last channel – they no longer use the best tuner for the set of channels, if you have 2 tuners that overlap a set of channels (for example, a SD tuner that tunes 2–99 and an HDPVR that tunes 2–1000), then you get locked on the last tuner used, not the best tuner based on priority |
| [15:26:23] | skd5aner: | that's frustrating to me |
| [15:26:31] | swerve: | i thought the tuner card had to go through a routine to 'lock' the signal or something |
| [15:26:44] | justinh: | so you've got time to get a lock with a digital tuner, a bit of time for the stream to go to disk.. a bit of buffer. there – you got about 3 secs |
| [15:27:01] | justinh: | not this frickin interminable delay business |
| [15:27:19] | skd5aner: | justinh: tuning isn't fast for me, but it's generally faster than it used to be – especially the HD-PVR, which was basically unusable in live tv reliabley until .24 |
| [15:27:19] | swerve: | skd5aner: that must be related to the errors with the 'jump program file' now |
| [15:27:36] | swerve: | i *really* wish they would make it a priority to fix that :-( |
| [15:27:38] | justinh: | notable developers have looked into it & they can't see where the problems are – which is fine |
| [15:27:45] | skd5aner: | swerve: yea, I get that from time to time, but that's unrelated at least to what I was describing |
| [15:28:01] | justinh: | for it to improve folks really need to get off their collective asses & get stats |
| [15:28:11] | swerve: | okay – i saw someone mention on a forum that they thought it was related to lockign the signal |
| [15:28:22] | swerve: | i never got that before 0.24 |
| [15:28:24] | AndyCap: | Just late and see |
| [15:28:29] | justinh: | put plenty VERBOSE in there, timestamp every stage. find out where & how things are being delayed |
| [15:28:32] | skd5aner: | justinh: it's hard to get stats and give them to people who don't want them in the first place ;) |
| [15:29:00] | justinh: | people have repeatedly said in here they'll willingly help somebody looking to improve this |
| [15:29:38] | justinh: | I'm not buying all this 'the devs are c***s who never listen' line anymore than I used to buy it |
| [15:29:45] | swerve: | i'll help in any way i can to fix the jump program file errors |
| [15:29:54] | swerve: | just tell me what I need to do |
| [15:30:05] | justinh: | I dunno. I don't run 0.24 |
| [15:30:08] | skd5aner: | swerve: I talked a while ago about it in here... before, even with locking channel, the tuner/input order (and priority) would determine which tuner would tune a channel, my HD-PVR is the first tuner, but last input... and live tv has some interesting ways to determine which input to use... but for simplicity sake... |
| [15:30:14] | swerve: | i might downgrade back to 23 |
| [15:30:43] | justinh: | anyway stuff like getting a lock with a digital tuner – it'd have to be an incredibly crap tuner not to lock in 1 second |
| [15:31:08] | justinh: | even waiting for valid data to come out of it after that.. that's not gonna be too long |
| [15:31:18] | skd5aner: | my SD tuners used to be lower order (and still are) from my HD-PVR, and in 0.23, they would be used to tune my SD channels every time, but now myth will continue to use the same tuner it's currently using in Live TV if it can still use it for the next tuned channel (not what's the least important tuner for htat channel) |
| [15:31:28] | swerve: | my tuner is still analog, PVR150, maybe that's why |
| [15:31:30] | skd5aner: | I'm told that's on purpose, but I think it's a bad design |
| [15:31:33] | justinh: | I think the last time somebody had a good look into it – it was coming down to something with external libs |
| [15:32:19] | justinh: | skd5aner: IMHO mythtv does the best it can with such a varied userbase |
| [15:32:25] | skd5aner: | so, if my HD-PVR is tuning a channel only it can tune (1105), and the goes to an SD channel (12), it'll continue to use the HD-PVR rather than switching to my PVR-500 (like it used to) |
| [15:32:28] | justinh: | it can't please everybody |
| [15:32:34] | skd5aner: | justinh: I know |
| [15:32:50] | justinh: | if they made changes to improve things I don't use – at the expense of stuff I like to use I'd be pretty pissed off |
| [15:32:51] | skd5aner: | my use case is probably not the most common |
| [15:33:07] | skd5aner: | justinh: goes the other way around though too... stuff we use your don't ;) |
| [15:33:22] | skd5aner: | I am happy if they focus on the "majority" first |
| [15:33:37] | justinh: | just get another tuner, pop a shortcut to the $TVViewer app in your mainmenu. Job done :D |
| [15:33:47] | swerve: | let's not go to the 'removed stuff i like to use' sad place :P |
| [15:34:10] | skd5aner: | justinh: not high enough priority for me to do that... I'm "ok" with the (fairly big) limitations that live tv posses in mythtv |
| [15:34:19] | skd5aner: | if I used live tv a lot more, that might be a different story |
| [15:34:50] | skd5aner: | but it's a few times a month at best, and usually just stays on a channel for hours at a time... if that usage pattern changed and I used it daily and wanted to channel surf, well... |
| [15:35:00] | swerve: | skd5aner: agree. strictly speaking, live tv is not really its intended purpose anyway |
| [15:35:12] | justinh: | livetv *was* |
| [15:35:16] | swerve: | nice to have, though |
| [15:35:19] | skd5aner: | then I wouldn't care about Live TV in mythtv because I would have already moved on :D |
| [15:35:44] | justinh: | just the way things grew around it & changed everything.. then people wanted to be able to keep the buffered content. yeesh |
| [15:35:47] | skd5aner: | justinh: livetv was? |
| [15:36:19] | justinh: | look into it a bit. it certainly wasn't the complex monster it is now |
| [15:36:45] | justinh: | multirec threw a big spanner in the works too |
| [15:36:59] | skd5aner: | multirec is the worst thing to happen to live tv, imho |
| [15:37:04] | skd5aner: | on the other hand... |
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| [15:37:11] | justinh: | it's the best thing to happen to recordings :D |
| [15:37:15] | skd5aner: | multirec is one of the *best* things to happen to scheduled recordings |
| [15:37:22] | justinh: | THE best IMHO |
| [15:37:52] | skd5aner: | and, I'm OK with that compromise... BUT, I don't like that it seems that someone can't try and fix that |
| [15:38:29] | justinh: | it's a melee |
| [15:38:43] | skd5aner: | As of now, it was enough of an issue that when my parents came over, and they wondered why they could only tune 3 channels, that I can't use multirec, so it's meaningless to me at this point |
| [15:38:44] | justinh: | you'd be talking about a lot of code to redo |
| [15:39:04] | skd5aner: | it's more a thorn in my (minority) side, than a benefit I'd love to take advantage of |
| [15:39:29] | justinh: | maybe just changing the way tuners are stacked by default would help |
| [15:39:36] | skd5aner: | luckily, I almost always have enough physical tuners it's not a big deal to turn off the virtual ones, but man it's a sweet feature I wish would play nicely all around |
| [15:39:55] | justinh: | so where were you when it was being developed ? ;-) |
| [15:40:04] | skd5aner: | justinh: yea, that doesn't help in terms of the multirec lock in problem... you have to manually hit the change tuner button |
| [15:40:22] | skd5aner: | I've spent a few hours on this with folks, including sphery, just to see what was going on and how changes might help/hurt |
| [15:40:24] | justinh: | I thought the 'browse across tuners' thing was all sorted now |
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| [15:40:49] | justinh: | users shouldn't need to know about inputs/tuners/cards/sources |
| [15:41:02] | justinh: | or channels, come to think. Just what's on |
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| [15:41:31] | skd5aner: | justinh: just to take a step back, my complaint isn't that it's broke, it's that it's broke and for a long time no one cared, and now people at least recognize the problem, but no one is willing to take on the challenge – even at that I'm not upset at the devs or anything, it's a general frustration and it really doesn't bother me too much |
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| [15:41:41] | skd5aner: | just one of the line items on my "cons" list I guess? |
| [15:41:52] | justinh: | I can't blame anyone for not wanting to take it on |
| [15:41:52] | skd5aner: | justinh: YES!! exactly waht you said! :) |
| [15:42:09] | justinh: | not least of which because of what people will make of the changes no matter what you do |
| [15:42:10] | skd5aner: | justinh: I really can't either, that's why I just grin and bare it |
| [15:42:20] | justinh: | nevermind all the graft |
| [15:42:30] | justinh: | muh! you broke my edge case! |
| [15:42:34] | skd5aner: | well, the last thing I want to do is come off about bitching about it, you know? |
| [15:42:47] | justinh: | heheh naw you're not bitching about it |
| [15:42:59] | skd5aner: | it's a fine line sometimes to try and "push" a point around here for an item which is valuable to you, but not to the people capable of taking a look at it :) |
| [15:43:18] | justinh: | myth needs more talent all around |
| [15:43:28] | skd5aner: | and by "valuable" – it's still less than ~5% of what I use myth for |
| [15:43:40] | justinh: | it's got a great team already – those who are here now, and those who've come & gone.. but there's always MORE |
| [15:43:47] | skd5aner: | yea |
| [15:44:00] | skd5aner: | to help with existing, but to also bring in new thinking |
| [15:44:14] | skd5aner: | like iamlindoro did, lots of "new" stuff to come from his direction when he joined the team |
| [15:44:52] | iamlindoro: | But now he's a rusted, burnt out hulk, dead inside ;) |
| [15:45:03] | skd5aner: | btw, the browse all tuners, it works, but not with multirec... I can't remember now if it simply doesn't show the other channels (I think that's the case), or if it shows them but fails to tune to them |
| [15:45:15] | justinh: | ach well |
| [15:45:23] | justinh: | I'm glad I still have my cable box then ;-) |
| [15:46:02] | skd5aner: | justinh: not sure if you saw, but I was without mythtv for 28 days! :O |
| [15:46:22] | justinh: | for my money you could take away the wasteful preview generation stuff.. but I'm sure people would come kill me if I was to change that ;-) |
| [15:46:42] | justinh: | 28 days? yikes |
| [15:46:50] | justinh: | I lost mine for almost 2 days & it was hell |
| [15:47:05] | justinh: | soap operas at realtime speed. eew |
| [15:47:19] | skd5aner: | justinh: had to watch the STB pretty much all of Januarary, it was pretty painful, as I didn't have time to actually watched the shows I had recording rules for... I missed several I'll have to go online and watch I guess, so I basically watched a lot of discovery, history, PBS, HD Theather, etc... |
| [15:47:28] | skd5aner: | ... discovered a few new shows I never knew existed that way |
| [15:47:48] | skd5aner: | basically skipped network TV for 4 weeks |
| [15:47:56] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [15:48:03] | justinh: | ah well – cos of the slack start times of UK TV (ironic it's got worse since network playout went computerised) – we get to know about new shows |
| [15:48:13] | skd5aner: | yea, I told the wife, that was the first major (2+ day) outage we've had with MythTV since 2004 |
| [15:48:18] | skd5aner: | not bad really for homebrew |
| [15:48:45] | justinh: | you'd be hard pressed to find a commercial DVR with those kind of numbers |
| [15:49:16] | skd5aner: | yea, of course if the motherboard in a commercial DVR went out, the RMA process wouldn't have been 3+ weeks to get it replaced either I would think |
| [15:49:29] | skd5aner: | however, I can guarentee I would have lost anything I would have recorded + the recording rules |
| [15:49:37] | skd5aner: | they would have just replaced it with a different box |
| [15:49:43] | justinh: | oh yeah |
| [15:49:55] | justinh: | when my backend went down I lost one recording |
| [15:50:01] | skd5aner: | to me, that's a huge value of continuing with MythTV... the fact that I have ~7 years of recording history |
| [15:50:03] | justinh: | which was a dupe, I worked out from the db backup |
| [15:50:23] | hashbang: | likewise disc upgrades... |
| [15:50:33] | justinh: | the bragging stats on the users ML were funny |
| [15:50:39] | justinh: | made me look at mine |
| [15:50:40] | skd5aner: | heh, yea... |
| [15:50:49] | skd5aner: | I don't read the ML hardly ever, but saw that thread |
| [15:50:52] | skd5aner: | it comes and goes every few years |
| [15:50:53] | hashbang: | most appliances have no migration tools for upgrade/backup/replacement |
| [15:51:00] | justinh: | wha?!!!! I've recorded over 1.5 years of stuff! |
| [15:51:04] | awalls: | iamlindoro: so "Night of the Living Devs" then? ;) |
| [15:51:56] | justinh: | iamlindoro: I said be careful ;-) My motivation is higher now than it's ever been.. but that's nothing like enough to start with |
| [15:52:19] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro is a walker |
| [15:52:21] | justinh: | the mind is willing.. the braincell is incapable. the time is short |
| [15:52:28] | iamlindoro: | awalls: Yes, I'm constantly wishing users would use their braaaaaaaiiiins |
| [15:52:37] | awalls: | lol |
| [15:53:18] | skd5aner: | justinh: my stats – http://pastebin.com/ThuYBKPH |
| [15:55:12] | skd5aner: | also, can anyone explain to me how the "percent of time spent recording" stat is figured? wouldn't mine be 1/6 = ~17% no 2%? |
| [15:55:36] | justinh: | multirec messes that up too ;-) |
| [15:57:23] | justinh: | I need to watch more (1 month 6 days 9 hrs 47 mins) |
| [15:58:44] | skd5aner: | total recorded? |
| [15:59:15] | justinh: | yeh |
| [15:59:46] | skd5aner: | did you replace your database at some point, or what is the start date on that? |
| [16:00:22] | justinh: | the database has been around since the start + 2 weeks or so |
| [16:00:40] | justinh: | the +2 weeks or so was when I rm -rf / by mistake |
| [16:00:45] | justinh: | had to reinstall |
| [16:00:52] | skd5aner: | yea, I'm missing about 2 months or so |
| [16:01:06] | skd5aner: | at the time I didn't care about longevity when I was learning mythtv, so I blew away the intial database |
| [16:01:08] | justinh: | didn't miss much though, cos I was just using mythbackend & an xbox for playback |
| [16:01:28] | skd5aner: | heh, I had an xbox frontend too for the bed room |
| [16:01:34] | skd5aner: | that was fun |
| [16:01:42] | justinh: | noisy |
| [16:01:54] | skd5aner: | yea, I replaced the fans |
| [16:02:14] | skd5aner: | and put a large heatsink in place of the northbridge fan which was whinny |
| [16:02:39] | skd5aner: | worked well for about 2 years, max |
| [16:03:00] | justinh: | Wednesday December 28th, 2005 is my first recording, but... Fri Oct 14, 2005 (11:30 PM) is the actual oldest recording |
| [16:03:04] | justinh: | which I still have |
| [16:03:14] | skd5aner: | ha |
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| [16:03:49] | skd5aner: | my oldest recording is Sun Jul 10, 2005 |
| [16:04:10] | skd5aner: | (still have that is) |
| [16:04:29] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: the percent of time spent recording is divided by the current number of recorders |
| [16:05:11] | skd5aner: | hmmmm, so if I add another tuner, that number will get smaller? |
| [16:05:17] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [16:05:51] | skd5aner: | why not just divide total recorded by total running time? |
| [16:05:52] | ** hashbang suspects his % recording time is going to nosedive now he's configured 4 virtual tuners for each of his 3 physical tuners. :-( ** | |
| [16:06:12] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: because that makes too much sense |
| [16:06:17] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: lol |
| [16:06:31] | skd5aner: | awesome |
| [16:06:51] | wagnerrp: | one user (udo) complained that it was showing > 100% of time spend recording |
| [16:06:59] | wagnerrp: | which should be impossible |
| [16:07:12] | skd5aner: | Maybe you can have – virtual tuners ;) |
| [16:07:16] | wagnerrp: | so it was 'fixed' to make less sense to the average user |
| [16:07:31] | hashbang: | *blam* |
| [16:07:34] | justinh: | I joined mythtvtalk.com on 25-11–2004 so I guess 2005 is also not as far back as I go |
| [16:07:50] | ** skd5aner still doesn't have an account there ** | |
| [16:08:13] | wagnerrp: | its nothing but a source of complaints |
| [16:08:14] | justinh: | I used to be a helpful soul there. and then I went EXPLODEY |
| [16:08:28] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: it kinda wants two values; % of uptime spent recording, % of tuner capacity spent recording |
| [16:08:30] | skd5aner: | I remember sending ijr an email in 2004 shortly after I started using mythtv proposing to run a forum on mythtv.org for him – obviously, he said no |
| [16:09:14] | justinh: | I remember logging a bug ticket on mythmusic. hahaha. it got SO closed in such a short time |
| [16:09:22] | wagnerrp: | hashbang: the problem is that there is no history of the number of tuner inputs |
| [16:09:32] | hashbang: | hashbang: good point |
| [16:09:36] | justinh: | running gentoo, mythmusic crashed! OMG |
| [16:09:43] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: to you, even |
| [16:09:43] | justinh: | that was basically the report |
| [16:10:00] | skd5aner: | I remember being a newb user complaining on the ML about there not being a way to export to DVD ;) |
| [16:10:30] | skd5aner: | very similiar to the complaints about stuff people continue to do today |
| [16:10:56] | skd5aner: | I used my free hall pass pretty early, haha |
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| [16:11:33] | justinh: | rofl. going through my posts page by page you can see the decline in tone |
| [16:11:42] | skd5aner: | According to Gossamer, it was the 3'rd email I sent to the list, out of 586 |
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| [16:14:34] | justinh: | awww I can't find my very first post |
| [16:14:35] | skd5aner: | It's funny, I was a daily ML user in 2005 |
| [16:14:54] | skd5aner: | and frequented in 2006 |
| [16:15:02] | skd5aner: | then 2007, it tails off to a few times a month |
| [16:15:19] | wagnerrp: | i dont think i even joined until 2008 |
| [16:15:28] | skd5aner: | actually, 2007 still fairly frequently |
| [16:15:44] | skd5aner: | 2008, a little less frequent |
| [16:16:03] | justinh: | ROFL http://www.mythtvtalk.com/having-problems-mythfilldatabase-409/ |
| [16:16:10] | skd5aner: | 2009, and 2010 and Dec of 2008 all fit on one page of gossamer thread's for me :) |
| [16:16:28] | skd5aner: | 4 emails in 2010, ha |
| [16:16:35] | skd5aner: | all before March |
| [16:17:08] | skd5aner: | I did send out this little gem |
| [16:17:09] | skd5aner: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 3766?#423766 |
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| [16:18:15] | justinh: | I remember reading that & thinking "ooo. Irrelevant" |
| [16:18:23] | skd5aner: | heh ;) |
| [16:18:39] | skd5aner: | I'm a stat whore... it's fun to find patterns, even if they realy are irrelavent :) |
| [16:19:21] | skd5aner: | I do think this one is a little more interesting/relavent: http://www.google.com/trends?q=mythdora,+myth . . . l&sort=0 |
| [16:19:45] | skd5aner: | shows mythdora dying a slow death? |
| [16:20:10] | justinh: | or linhes not being alive at all |
| [16:21:11] | justinh: | heh it's funny but I kinda remembered me being an utter noob. seems like I at least partly knew what I was doing |
| [16:21:32] | justinh: | mixed ebuilds though.. no wonder I couldn't make the thing work lol |
| [16:22:02] | justinh: | those were the days too – you had to enter all your DVB tuning data yourself |
| [16:22:34] | skd5aner: | justinh: hehe "How do I go about it? I did some poking around & found a mysql database folder – then deleted the contents of that. I also deleted /usr/share/mythtv/mc.sql (oops!)." |
| [16:22:54] | ** justinh hides ** | |
| [16:23:35] | skd5aner: | I wonder what version I started on? |
| [16:23:38] | justinh: | a little knowledge can be dangerous. less knowledge than that, doubly so. or something |
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| [16:23:50] | skd5aner: | it mentioned in 11–04 you were apprarently fiddling with 0.15 |
| [16:23:55] | skd5aner: | I think I might have started on 0.14 |
| [16:24:05] | justinh: | I think I had 0.14 on as well :D |
| [16:24:09] | justinh: | hence the problems |
| [16:24:18] | skd5aner: | cause I started playing around with Myth around May 04 |
| [16:24:33] | ** wagnerrp didnt start until 0.18 ** | |
| [16:24:50] | skd5aner: | http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=629 |
| [16:24:51] | justinh: | wow 20 years ago ;-) |
| [16:25:02] | skd5aner: | seems cecil created debs for 0.14 in Feb 04 |
| [16:25:36] | justinh: | gonna have to bring myself to watch me demoing mythtv at linux expos at some point |
| [16:25:42] | skd5aner: | lol, this is in the wiki "The stupidity with the MythTV 0.14's powersave feature is that you need to stop MythFrontend before the backend will call the 'halting' scripts. So you basicly can't build a system that will only show the frontend at all time, while also shutting down the machine. Ah well, whouldn't mown, OSS, patch it, etc." |
| [16:26:04] | skd5aner: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Software_Suspend |
| [16:26:26] | skd5aner: | actually, that's how I learned about MythTV |
| [16:26:37] | skd5aner: | was a college LUG group |
| [16:27:01] | justinh: | next time I go to a UK linux expo I'm taking a frickin GUN |
| [16:27:11] | skd5aner: | they brought it in and demoed it, probably in the 0.13 days |
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| [16:27:26] | justinh: | or a case of deodorant to spray at people.. whichever is easiest to get |
| [16:27:55] | skd5aner: | I believe I was in my last semester in college, so I started saving up and the hardware was one of the first thigns I bought with my first real paycheck :) |
| [16:28:02] | justinh: | heh |
| [16:28:13] | justinh: | I had a real old machine I could use |
| [16:28:56] | justinh: | I sorely wish I'd never made that Epia frontend though |
| [16:29:07] | justinh: | I don;t have many regrets in life but that was one |
| [16:29:44] | justinh: | anyhoo.. prolly time to go home so I stand a chance of spending time with the little man |
| [16:30:08] | skd5aner: | in fact, my primary frontend is still using the same case (everything inside of it has been replaced 2–3 times) – a Silverstone LC03, basically they only had 2 cases back then |
| [16:30:09] | wagnerrp: | but its not even lunchtime yet |
| [16:30:19] | skd5aner: | no one even knew who silverstone was |
| [16:31:15] | skd5aner: | holy crap, I still have the invoice in my hotmail inbox |
| [16:31:33] | hashbang: | looks like I started in March 2006 |
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| [16:33:51] | hashbang: | so 0.18 or 0.19 |
| [16:35:47] | wagnerrp: | would be 0.18 |
| [16:37:38] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: figures, as it looks like I rebuilt ATrpms' 0.19 with some patches and submitted them back to Axel |
| [16:38:25] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: including the out-of-tree FM radio stuff, which upgraded users' DB schema. |
| [16:38:26] | hashbang: | oops. |
| [16:39:49] | jarle: | Anybody care to suggest a dual dvb-s2 tuner card? |
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| [16:54:25] | JEDIDIAH__: | My original frontend was a bit of a disaster. Had I used a silverstone case for it, it probably would have turned out a lot better. |
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| [17:10:24] | AndyCap: | jarle: I think highzeth had http://www.tbsdtv.com/english/product/6980.html or something like that. And netup made a card with CI, but no idea if they're available. |
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| [17:19:30] | highzeth: | jarle: AndyCap is right, got 2x 6980 running in one of my BE's. Solid tuners. afaik only the upgraded version(6981) is available via their shops. NetUP also solid(as is the price) |
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| [17:27:42] | drindt: | hey there i have installed mythvideo but cant import a dvd, whats going wrong? |
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| [17:28:16] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt support dvd ripping |
| [17:28:42] | drindt: | wagnerrp: but i had this feature months ago. |
| [17:28:56] | drindt: | this feature is removed? |
| [17:29:08] | wagnerrp: | and it was removed, since other changes in the code had broken it, and the whole feature was due for a rewrite anyway |
| [17:29:14] | wagnerrp: | rather than leave broken, outdated code in |
| [17:29:22] | wagnerrp: | it was removed, until it could be rewritten properly |
| [17:29:34] | drindt: | also the video gallery is affected? |
| [17:30:06] | wagnerrp: | no, playback and ripping were effectively two separate plugins packaged as one |
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| [17:30:55] | drindt: | wagnerrp: ok thanks for the information |
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| [17:35:30] | swerve: | more bugginess: skipping and jumping ahead don't seem to work that great in 0.24 |
| [17:35:45] | swerve: | both only jump ahead by a second or two usually |
| [17:35:52] | swerve: | (live tv) |
| [17:36:46] | sphery: | and I would love for DVD ripping to never return |
| [17:36:59] | sphery: | really, I don't see the down side to using a purpose-built application for the job |
| [17:37:19] | swerve: | why bog it down with something you can do probably better elsewhere |
| [17:37:39] | sphery: | i.e. Handbrake is designed for it, and for those who are into it, they have a whole forum where people discuss the tricks to defeat the copyright protection on various DVD titles |
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| [17:38:40] | sphery: | why build a DVD ripper that will fail on a huge majority of modern DVDs, so that users have to try once with MythTV's ripper, then fail, then go to a purpose-built DVD ripper program--and find some post on Handbrake forums that tells them how to work around the DVDs protection mechanisms |
| [17:39:10] | sphery: | (these protection mechanisms being DVD errors and stuff, not CSS... Stuff like ArCCoS, etc.) |
| [17:39:38] | sphery: | so, that's why I think DVD ripping should stay in some application that's not MythTV... |
| [17:40:23] | stuartm: | I hope no-one here is affected by the Intel recall :/ |
| [17:41:02] | wagnerrp: | well if they are, its on brand new hardware |
| [17:41:17] | wagnerrp: | those boards have only been shipping for a few weeks havent they? |
| [17:41:35] | sphery: | well, how important is SATA to a MythTV box? We're not really big users of HDDs. ;) |
| [17:42:01] | sphery: | It only affects that chipset in combination with a Sandy Bridge processor\ |
| [17:42:11] | sphery: | that chipset with other processors isn't a problem, AFAIU |
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| [17:42:29] | wagnerrp: | the P67 chipset cant be used with other processors (i dont think) |
| [17:42:45] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: which is why I say that I hope no-one here is affected, shouldn't be that many simply because the hardware has only been on the market for a short period |
| [17:42:55] | wagnerrp: | its not like you can use the old chips with the new boards |
| [17:42:58] | wagnerrp: | its a different socket |
| [17:43:10] | sphery: | if so, that would explain why the article I read said that it only has an issue when used with Sandy Bridge |
| [17:43:12] | wagnerrp: | and it would only affect users running it as a backendmachine |
| [17:43:17] | sphery: | (because you can't use it with anything else) |
| [17:43:25] | wagnerrp: | since it only affects the 2.0 ports |
| [17:43:43] | wagnerrp: | not likely a user is going to need more than the 2 3.0 ports on a machine running only as a frontend |
| [17:44:23] | wagnerrp: | either of you have any suggestion for a qt build error? |
| [17:44:37] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: beat it with a stick |
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| [17:44:54] | wagnerrp: | /usr/local/include/qt4/QtNetwork/qtcpserver.h:53: error: expected initializer before 'QtNetworkModule' |
| [17:46:11] | wagnerrp: | the line in question is 'QT_MODULE(Network)' |
| [17:46:42] | stuartm: | how is that macro defined? |
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| [17:47:48] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: I'd suggest checking what patches your distro normally applies to their QT builds, it might provide a solution |
| [17:47:59] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like one of those Qt things where you need to add the network module to the .pro |
| [17:48:18] | iamlindoro: | ie QT += network |
| [17:49:27] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: oh, this isn't an error building QT, but building MythTV? |
| [17:49:31] | iamlindoro: | (the above is exactly what you'd add, btw) |
| [17:52:02] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: if this is building mythtv, then ignore everything I just said, first try iamlindoro's suggestion and failing that, post the patch somewhere so we can spot the problem |
| [17:52:18] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: no need for a patch, this is a new chunk of code |
| [17:52:37] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that this new chunk of code is a file copied from mythbackend, completely unedited |
| [17:52:44] | wagnerrp: | and mythbackend compiles just fine |
| [17:52:55] | stuartm: | it could be something esoteric like a missing semi-colon on a class definition |
| [17:53:10] | iamlindoro: | QT += network xml sql |
| [17:53:11] | wagnerrp: | and i do include 'network' in the .pro file |
| [17:53:13] | iamlindoro: | is what's used in the backend |
| [17:53:23] | wagnerrp: | ive got QT += network sql |
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| [17:56:44] | FabriceMG: | hello, strange behaviou with frontend and livetv since monday on 0.24fixe mythbuntu |
| [17:57:14] | FabriceMG: | he run very very very slowly |
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| [18:02:43] | stuartm: | I was going to say, mythfrontend --version, but there's no point, the output isn't very useful :/ |
| [18:03:49] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: why isnt it? |
| [18:05:11] | wagnerrp: | a 'proper' version tag has meaning, just as much as the old subversion revision |
| [18:05:27] | wagnerrp: | assuming whatever he has installed was done using the proper tag, and not just the hash value |
| [18:06:43] | FabriceMG: | I have 1 backend + 1 slave , the slave run 1 job ( 2 cpu , 1 cpu at 100%) (encode movie, mythtranscode) |
| [18:06:46] | stuartm: | ah, nevermind, I thought it only included the tag + offset, which would mean manually counting off the commits |
| [18:07:14] | wagnerrp: | is it at all possible a previous included header could cause these problems? |
| [18:07:20] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, I love it when arclight gets a update and I get a surprise Kaylee in the theme chooser ;) |
| [18:07:50] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: very possible, especially if it's missing a terminating semi-colon somewhere |
| [18:08:03] | wagnerrp: | indeed, moving that include to the top of the list 'fixed' it |
| [18:08:09] | wagnerrp: | but resulted in a funky error elsewhere |
| [18:08:26] | FabriceMG: | if the job run on salve , all frontend run very very slowly, 50 , 60 sec for synchro the DVB on slave and master |
| [18:08:51] | skd5aner: | sphery: I agree that a swiss-army knife model isn't where mythtv should probably go, but... I would say it makes since that if I want to play something in MythTV, that would it would be logical for myth to somehow be able to import that content directly |
| [18:10:12] | stuartm: | skd5aner: yeah, I'm torn on the question of built-in dvd ripping support, personally I'd rather we had that functionality in MythTV although I can understand those who disagree |
| [18:10:15] | skd5aner: | but, I also agree the old, broken code is better removed then anything :) |
| [18:10:30] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: haha |
| [18:11:13] | skd5aner: | stuartm: same – some third-party products are just way better at doing it |
| [18:11:40] | stuartm: | primarily I see it as a question of "would grandma be able to import her DVDs if it meant using handbrake on a laptop she might not even own, then copying them over to the MythTV backend via NFS/whatever" |
| [18:11:59] | skd5aner: | stuartm: typically, when I used myth to rip, for a while I would rip the main movie, but then I started ripping the whole iso. So in those cases, all that mattered was that mythtv could decrypt and pay back that iso :) |
| [18:12:19] | stuartm: | well the answer is clearly no, most ordinary people would not jump those hurdles |
| [18:12:26] | wagnerrp: | i think we should have it, but i think it should be fairly minimal |
| [18:12:29] | skd5aner: | +1 |
| [18:12:40] | skd5aner: | to stuarm's comment |
| [18:12:55] | wagnerrp: | no transcoding, no reprocessing, just an ISO, VIDEO_TS, or VOB straight into some storage group |
| [18:13:04] | stuartm: | skd5aner: yeah, we really on need ISO support |
| [18:13:24] | skd5aner: | er, play not pay |
| [18:13:25] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [18:13:33] | wagnerrp: | on that note, does anyone offer an online lookup for the disk titles? |
| [18:13:34] | stuartm: | anything else is a bonus |
| [18:13:35] | skd5aner: | my typing has really suffered recently :( |
| [18:15:10] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: to look up based on the disc's title? like SPINAL_TAP.iso? |
| [18:15:56] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [18:16:00] | wagnerrp: | AAAAGHH |
| [18:16:08] | wagnerrp: | i was missing a semicolon on the end of a class define |
| [18:16:42] | skd5aner: | would be an interesting field for something like TMDB or something... |
| [18:16:49] | skd5aner: | not sure they'd want to do that though |
| [18:17:10] | wagnerrp: | would be more useful than the hash theyre currently carrying |
| [18:17:19] | skd5aner: | plus, it could obviously be a 1:m field, since different pressings would have different titles |
| [18:17:27] | qwerty___: | Would a y-cord deliver dolby? How would this compare to getting a s/pdif card? |
| [18:17:39] | skd5aner: | y-cord? |
| [18:17:43] | skd5aner: | stereo? |
| [18:17:46] | skd5aner: | RCA? |
| [18:18:06] | qwerty___: | skd5aner: 1/8" headphone jack to rca audio. |
| [18:18:23] | skd5aner: | I would say not |
| [18:18:42] | wagnerrp: | are you talking about the funky digital audio output on Creative cards? |
| [18:19:05] | qwerty___: | wagnerrp: not a creative, built in audio card. |
| [18:19:26] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: TMDB provides a disc hash? |
| [18:19:28] | skd5aner: | based on what? |
| [18:19:51] | wagnerrp: | every motherboard ive see that actually supports digital audio has a RCA or toslink plug for it |
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| [18:20:05] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: alternative lookups, rather than title/subtitle |
| [18:20:48] | wagnerrp: | http://api.themoviedb.org/2.1/methods/Hash.getInfo |
| [18:20:53] | qwerty___: | wagnerrp: I've never seen a mobo with a toslink. |
| [18:21:13] | wagnerrp: | plenty of them do, plenty more have digital RCA |
| [18:21:20] | wagnerrp: | ive got several with each |
| [18:21:34] | stuartm: | skd5aner: knowing them, probably the bittorrent file hash |
| [18:21:41] | stuartm: | oh look, I was right |
| [18:21:47] | wagnerrp: | and those that dont have one on the IO panel usually have one accessible from an header |
| [18:22:01] | stuartm: | let's never support that aspect of the API |
| [18:22:10] | wagnerrp: | too late |
| [18:22:21] | wagnerrp: | tmdb.py --help |
| [18:22:48] | stuartm: | better not tell iamlindoro, he'll blow an artery |
| [18:23:03] | qwerty___: | wagnerrp: header? |
| [18:23:27] | wagnerrp: | i dont see a problem with it being used for ISO rips, but i dont know if such a rip is guaranteed to be identical from one user to the next |
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| [18:24:43] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [18:24:45] | stuartm: | it won't because different DVD releases are mastered differently, and there are regional variations |
| [18:25:04] | iamlindoro: | It's not exactly the hash of a bittorrent-- it could be the hash of any file-- the ISO from the disc, a stolen file, anything |
| [18:25:10] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: i mean the same disk, ripped two different times, with different libcss libraries |
| [18:25:18] | iamlindoro: | So one TMDB record could have many hashes associated with it |
| [18:25:24] | stuartm: | but I didn't consider the legitimate use case ... just that it also supports the illegitimate case |
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| [18:25:48] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: if the ISO is not a straight rip, then yes, there may be differences |
| [18:25:50] | iamlindoro: | tmdb.py supports hash lookup at my request-- and we hash our files in MythVideo using a compatible hashing method for that lookup |
| [18:26:15] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: even if its a straight copy, is it always identical on the other end of the decryption library |
| [18:26:22] | iamlindoro: | I don't like that there's a potentially nefarious use of that lookup, but there's also a semi-compelling legit use if we are all ripping ISOs |
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| [18:26:36] | Plugh: | When I have mythtv make a DVD of some videos sitting on my HD the font used on the DVD is very hard to read. It might be ok if you are watching the generated DVD on a computer or LCD TV but not on a standard TV. What font does it use by default? Is there some way I can change the font it uses to something that would be more readable? |
| [18:26:54] | stuartm: | if it's still a bit for bit copy, encryption included then obviously it should be identical ... which seems like a silly point to make |
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| [18:29:43] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: im saying mythtv generating an ISO would have one hash, anydvd generating an ISO would produce a different hash, a user ripping the contents to file and then running mkisofs would produce yet a third hash |
| [18:30:00] | wagnerrp: | all off the same disk |
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| [18:30:32] | stuartm: | well, if anyone really objects to the hash stuff (e.g. a dodgy law firm employed by movie distributors) then it would be laughably easy to poison the pool and render the hash lookup worthless |
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| [18:30:54] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: that shouldn't be the case |
| [18:32:10] | stuartm: | a standard ISO is just an image of the disc, bit for bit identical – well yes the mkisofs case might produce a different hash |
| [18:33:04] | wagnerrp: | but wouldnt every ripping process (other than 'dd') do the same thing? |
| [18:33:17] | wagnerrp: | i thought it was the VOBs themselves that were encrypted, not the image |
| [18:33:30] | wagnerrp: | meaning you would need to pull out the files, decrypt them, and make a new ISO |
| [18:33:44] | stuartm: | I'm talking about a straight copy – no decryption |
| [18:34:01] | wagnerrp: | well we dont support that at the moment |
| [18:34:11] | stuartm: | yes we do, have done for years |
| [18:34:20] | stuartm: | it's just a little broken with storage groups atm |
| [18:34:28] | wagnerrp: | for local playback, not yet for storage groups |
| [18:34:34] | stuartm: | but it still works for local playback |
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| [18:36:59] | stuartm: | anyway, we're talking at cross purposes, when I spoke of a straight rip I meant no decryption, an exact copy |
| [18:37:36] | stuartm: | if we did that then yes, these hashes might be useful |
| [18:39:30] | stuartm: | any solution we implement for DVD ripping would probably not involve decryption (by default) if we want to avoid the legal issues – IANAL but copying without decrypting is just a backup, decrypting whilst playing doesn't violate the spirit of the copy protection, seems like much safer ground |
| [18:43:11] | Digdilem: | using EIT on freesat in the uk – is it normal for one or two channels to only give a couple of hours of info instead of the 8 days most give? |
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| [18:49:21] | sphery: | skd5aner: it can import it directly--rip it with a DVD ripper, then drop the file in mythvideo :) |
| [18:49:47] | sphery: | again, the problem is that our DVD ripper will fail on some large percentage of DVDs /because/ of the copyright protection mechanisms that are in use |
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| [18:50:22] | sphery: | then the user wastes time on our ripper, sending an e-mail to the list, getting the default reply of "well, it's copy protected and we can't do anything about it", then having to search out Handbrake--which they could have used in the first place |
| [18:50:27] | sphery: | and saved all the time |
| [18:50:33] | sphery: | i.e. it actually makes it harder to rip most DVDs |
| [18:50:38] | stuartm: | sphery: just use dd |
| [18:50:58] | sphery: | stuartm: right, but dd also fails on a majority of modern DVDs, too |
| [18:51:17] | sphery: | but if it works on the one the user wants, that's fine--I just don't think we should add a DVD ripper back |
| [18:51:18] | stuartm: | sphery: really? I've never experienced that first hand |
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| [18:51:56] | sphery: | well, if you happen to search the 'net, you'll see mention of tons of DVDs that aren't rippable without tricks (which are discussed on other forums, like Handbrakes) |
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| [18:52:41] | sphery: | I don't rip DVDs, so I don't really have any direct experience, but it seems that most DVDs from certain distributors are useless (like Disney and some others) |
| [18:52:57] | sphery: | useless without tricks to defeat the copyright protection, that is |
| [18:53:04] | stuartm: | but I disagree about requiring the user to go and manually run handbrake (or any other tool), since it fails the 'grandma test' (which is both ageist and sexist, but ... ) |
| [18:53:09] | sphery: | they play well enough, but don't rip |
| [18:53:37] | sphery: | well, instead, you want Grandma to stick a DVD in, try to rip it, get an error, then have to figure out what to do? |
| [18:53:51] | sphery: | because our ripper won't work on a large percentage of DVDs being made, today |
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| [18:54:59] | sphery: | So, here's a few: Salt ( http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=45154 ), Killers ( http://www.techkings.org/dvd-ripping-successe . . . res-how.html )... and that's just 2 of the new releases I randomly googled |
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| [18:56:31] | sphery: | anyway, as I said, I don't rip DVDs, so if you all want to add code that tries and fails to rip DVDs, feel free... |
| [18:56:43] | sphery: | I just think you're doing a disservice to MythTV users by promising something we can't deliver |
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| [18:56:58] | sphery: | now, Grandma /should/ be able to stick a DVD in the drive and play it |
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| [18:57:11] | sphery: | but ripping it should require a purpose-built app |
| [18:57:34] | sphery: | (and, btw, it seems that all these won't-rip DVDs play fine, even with software players, so...) |
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| [19:03:13] | darkdrgn2k: | morning everyone |
| [19:03:17] | jarle: | highzeth: I'll see if I'll manage to get my hands on a 6981 then, it's supposed to be an upgraded version of 6980 |
| [19:03:25] | FabriceMG: | http://pastebin.com/rrBd2cFY |
| [19:03:31] | darkdrgn2k: | just wanted to see if anyone else in here might know why the HDPVR doesnt record properly |
| [19:03:41] | darkdrgn2k: | mythlog shows scores of DevRdB(/dev/video0) Error: Poll giving up and MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: Device error detected |
| [19:04:06] | FabriceMG: | what is this error "LoadFromScheduler(): Error, called from backend" ? |
| [19:04:18] | highzeth: | jarle: yep, I ordered straight from their shop, fast shipping, no complaints. The driver dev was quick to respond & push a fix when I reported a DiSEqC issue in it's first version. |
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| [19:05:10] | jarle: | highzeth: sounds great, where is the shop located, and were do you live? |
| [19:05:48] | highzeth: | Norway like you, they ship from China if nothing has changed |
| [19:05:54] | wagnerrp: | sphery: 'it seems that all these won't-rip DVDs play fine, even with software players'... how is that even possible? |
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| [19:09:08] | FabriceMG: | i have on master in log file is error "2011-02–01 20:08:04.665 MythSocket(a295958:44): writeStringList: Error, No data written on writeBlock (941 errors)" |
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| [19:12:04] | jarle: | highzeth: I'm tired of having some cards only capable of dvb-s, makes input sources a bit messy, I'l order one of those cards and go dvb-s2 for all inputs, not just one like I have today... |
| [19:12:30] | wagnerrp: | woo, two files down, onto the third |
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| [19:17:11] | darkdrgn2k: | anyh one know what the diff bvetween the hdpvr 1212 and the 1219 |
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| [19:18:47] | kormoc: | darkdrgn2k, 7 |
| [19:18:56] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:19:15] | Beirdo: | There was one where the main difference was a French manual IIRC |
| [19:20:17] | sphery: | because they tend to put disc errors in places where it won't affect normal playback |
| [19:20:52] | darkdrgn2k: | kormoc – WA WA Waaa.... |
| [19:21:09] | sphery: | wagnerrp: such as: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARccOS |
| [19:21:13] | darkdrgn2k: | Beirdo: yeh thats what i think (that and the store wont pricematch cause its a "differnt model number") but w/e |
| [19:21:28] | darkdrgn2k: | i just wish i knew why it wont record properly... |
| [19:21:42] | highzeth: | jarle: yeah, depends on your setup I guess, I still use a few dvb-s tuners on certain satellites. But for the nordic channels I have -S2 tuners only. |
| [19:21:47] | darkdrgn2k: | running kernel 2.6.35.10 any one know if i need to re-comple drivers? |
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| [19:25:22] | jarle: | highzeth: having both dvb-s and dvb-s2 for the same satellites creates problems with duplicate channels, as there is no easy way to create a source only containing dvb-s2 channels.. |
| [19:25:31] | devinheitmueller: | darkdrgn2k: the only difference between "1212" and "1219" is one is packaged with a french manual. |
| [19:25:45] | devinheitmueller: | (actually, both French and English manuals) |
| [19:25:56] | qwerty___: | I put a dvd in, it's mounted, and rips fine. But when I try to play it, it says 'please wait' I get a blue screen for a few seconds, then back to the optical disk screen. Nothing in mythfrontend.log, mythbackend.log, /var/log/dmesg or syslog. Where can I look for errors on this? |
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| [19:26:08] | darkdrgn2k: | devinheitmueller: and i guess the firmware on the box that come out of othe box.. |
| [19:26:13] | devinheitmueller: | nope |
| [19:26:20] | devinheitmueller: | They will have the same firmware. |
| [19:26:29] | highzeth: | jarle: sure, I don't mix on same satellites, but on 13,15 & 19.2E there are no channels I record that broadcast in HD. |
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| [19:29:57] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm mines x15 |
| [19:30:06] | darkdrgn2k: | [46656.066556] hdpvr 1–2:1.0: firmware version 0x15 dated Jun 17 2010 09:26:53 |
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| [19:31:50] | darkdrgn2k: | grrr :( |
| [19:32:35] | jarle: | highzeth: too bad I don't have any PCIx on the mainboard on my mythbox, seems like I have to settle for a single PCI tuner :( |
| [19:32:55] | darkdrgn2k: | i thoguht hdpvr records h264 |
| [19:34:35] | devinheitmueller: | The HD-PVR does record H.264. |
| [19:34:47] | highzeth: | jarle: ouch, too many PCI adapters to consider a mobo replacement? |
| [19:34:52] | darkdrgn2k: | devinheitmueller: is there a reason why myth's LIVETV show .mpg |
| [19:35:00] | darkdrgn2k: | or is it just an extension |
| [19:35:13] | devinheitmueller: | A filename extension is no indication as to what type of transport is used. |
| [19:35:37] | darkdrgn2k: | devinheitmueller: ok, but the recording is awfull |
| [19:35:44] | darkdrgn2k: | devinheitmueller: did you recompile the driver or use kernel stock? |
| [19:36:08] | devinheitmueller: | I am a LinuxTV developer, so I'm pretty much always running a custom v4l-dvb tree. |
| [19:36:36] | devinheitmueller: | I would check your bitrate settings, as well as what recording profile you are using. |
| [19:36:42] | darkdrgn2k: | devinheitmueller: LOL make sense... from what i saw with GIT you need to recompile the whole kernel |
| [19:37:07] | devinheitmueller: | Look at the "media_build" tree. That allows you to rebuild just the v4l-dvb stuff. |
| [19:37:24] | darkdrgn2k: | devinheitmueller: kool ill look into it in a second |
| [19:37:51] | devinheitmueller: | Also, make sure whatever you are outputting from (cable box, etc) is configured to output HD. It's possible that your cable box is configured to output 480i/480p by default. |
| [19:38:50] | jarle: | highzeth: not really, but all I want to do is replace two DVB-S cards with DVB-S2, and buying two PCI cards is about the same price as one dual PCI-E... Think I'll hold of on the new MB until it's time to upgrade the whole system. |
| [19:39:05] | darkdrgn2k: | devinheitmueller: but shouldnt that make the endoidn eaiser? |
| [19:39:19] | devinheitmueller: | pardon? |
| [19:39:44] | darkdrgn2k: | devinheitmueller: shouldnt recording SD be easier for the box? |
| [19:40:09] | devinheitmueller: | Easier yes, but you are complaining about the quality – and it's possible the quality is bad because you are capturing SD. |
| [19:40:19] | darkdrgn2k: | devinheitmueller: here is the problem: http://networkedserver.net/test.mpg |
| [19:40:27] | darkdrgn2k: | thats a short recording of LIVE TV |
| [19:40:51] | darkdrgn2k: | corresponding mythbackend of recording: http://pastebin.com/ECD9V1mV |
| [19:41:02] | ** devinheitmueller is downloading... ** | |
| [19:42:18] | darkdrgn2k: | this is an SD station |
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| [19:44:53] | devinheitmueller: | When you ran MythTV setup, did you tell it that this was an HD-PVR (as opposed to a V4L device)? |
| [19:45:04] | darkdrgn2k: | yes and i selected composite |
| [19:45:23] | darkdrgn2k: | tripple checking now though |
| [19:46:53] | darkdrgn2k: | http://imagebin.org/135626 <- screenshot |
| [19:47:04] | darkdrgn2k: | h.264 encoder card (hd-pvr) |
| [19:47:49] | devinheitmueller: | I don't look at mythbackend logs often, but it looks like it is confused (and this is not a driver issue) |
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| [19:48:10] | darkdrgn2k: | devinheitmueller: if i do a cat /dev/video0 > test.ts |
| [19:48:13] | devinheitmueller: | Probably better to ask someone who looks at these logs on a daily basis. |
| [19:48:14] | darkdrgn2k: | the file starts growing then STOPS |
| [19:48:16] | kormoc: | huh, 1600 files in .mythtv/remotecache... we're not cleaning that ever eh? |
| [19:48:53] | devinheitmueller: | jannau: is the resident HD-PVR expert. |
| [19:50:22] | darkdrgn2k: | devinheitmueller: heres is a cat of /dev/video0 http://networkedserver.net/test.ts |
| [19:50:36] | darkdrgn2k: | it stoped growing the file after 4.6 megs... |
| [19:51:24] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, but it's possible that MythTV put the HD-PVR into some weird capture mode, so subsequent attempts to "cat /dev/video0" are returning garbage. |
| [19:51:52] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm if i rmmod turn it off.. then insmod it and turn it on |
| [19:51:54] | darkdrgn2k: | wouldnt that clear it? |
| [19:52:00] | devinheitmueller: | Unplug/replug the device. |
| [19:52:08] | devinheitmueller: | Never rely on rmmod/insmod. |
| [19:52:21] | sphery: | kormoc: nope, but it's just preview pixmaps, so you'll only have one per recording (so in my almost 7 years of use, I've had 12454 episodes (according to MythWeb stats), and at 100kiB/preview, that would only be 1.2GiB :) |
| [19:52:35] | devinheitmueller: | Well, at least the "cat /dev/video0" output is actually H.264 content. |
| [19:52:49] | sphery: | kormoc: I think the plan is to eventually consolidate that code with the MythUI image cache |
| [19:53:13] | sphery: | that said, I actually delete my $HOME/.mythtv/*cache directories every once in a while |
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| [19:53:49] | jpabq: | darkdrgn2k, so you are NOT using the optical audio input? |
| [19:54:15] | darkdrgn2k: | jpabq: moves away back to analog |
| [19:54:17] | darkdrgn2k: | *moved |
| [19:55:01] | kormoc: | sphery, yeah, just noticed, tis all. looks like the themedownloader is entirely borked in HEAD, can you confirm if you have a minute? |
| [19:55:26] | sphery: | sure, one second |
| [19:55:56] | jpabq: | darkdrgn2k, okay, just wanted to make sure. If the HD-PVR is told to use S/PDIF for audio, but does not see any signal there, it will refuse to record. |
| [19:56:16] | darkdrgn2k: | jpabq: yes i read that |
| [19:56:22] | kormoc: | I wiped out all my .mythtv/*cache stuff, tried to swtich to a theme, it tries to download, fails, select it again, it downloads successfully, doesn't apply. Select it again, it tries to apply it and fails |
| [19:56:27] | darkdrgn2k: | its recording now but the pictuers is completely screwde |
| [19:56:45] | sphery: | kormoc: local or remote frontend? |
| [19:56:58] | jpabq: | darkdrgn2k, also, you could try a different USB port. Try to find a USB port that does not share the same "hub" on the motherboard as anything else. |
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| [19:57:11] | darkdrgn2k: | jpabq: tried that already too |
| [19:57:21] | kormoc: | sphery, local |
| [19:57:51] | darkdrgn2k: | the audio is 100% fine.. |
| [19:58:02] | sphery: | kormoc: seems to work for me |
| [19:58:16] | sphery: | v0.25pre-1075-ga9b2543 |
| [19:58:16] | kormoc: | hrm. I'll bounce the backend in a few, see if that fixes it |
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| [19:58:22] | awalls: | can mplayer play H.264 streams? |
| [19:58:33] | sphery: | I think the backend caches the downloaded zip |
| [19:58:42] | sphery: | I just installed a theme I hadn't previously downloaded |
| [19:58:51] | sphery: | maybe something wrong with your zip? |
| [19:59:04] | kormoc: | nah, doesn't complain when I unzipped it by hand |
| [19:59:13] | darkdrgn2k: | when i try playing the ts via mplayer i get |
| [19:59:13] | darkdrgn2k: | Error while decoding frame! |
| [19:59:39] | darkdrgn2k: | "[h264 @ 0xb523e0]no frame!" preceeding that |
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| [20:00:15] | awalls: | Looks like your system might have dropped some USB packets. |
| [20:00:35] | awalls: | Or the HDPVR is really putting out garbage (but I'd think that is lees likely) |
| [20:00:42] | awalls: | /less/ |
| [20:00:47] | devinheitmueller: | awalls: it was playable with VLC |
| [20:00:55] | devinheitmueller: | (for the five seconds or so of video) |
| [20:01:51] | darkdrgn2k: | uploading strait dev dump one second |
| [20:02:49] | kormoc: | sphery, yeah, needed a backend restart |
| [20:02:54] | darkdrgn2k: | http://networkedserver.net/test3.ts |
| [20:03:27] | sphery: | kormoc: cool, glad it's working |
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| [20:06:42] | awalls: | darkdrgn2k: well my mplayer has no ability to play back the video from that. :P |
| [20:07:06] | awalls: | Not sure what that means though. |
| [20:07:45] | awalls: | Error while decoding frame! |
| [20:07:46] | awalls: | [h264 @ 0xb524e0]sps_id out of range.140 400/400 |
| [20:08:09] | awalls: | I guess I should look up what an sps_id is. |
| [20:08:58] | darkdrgn2k: | http://networkedserver.net/test.mpg <- thats what myht records |
| [20:12:25] | awalls: | mplayer (version "SVN-r31628–4.4.4") fails on that too. |
| [20:14:05] | darkdrgn2k: | *sigh* |
| [20:15:02] | darkdrgn2k: | i sould try it in my windows box.. see what happens |
| [20:15:08] | darkdrgn2k: | hope its not the device |
| [20:16:56] | awalls: | Do you have a UP machine? |
| [20:17:08] | darkdrgn2k: | up? |
| [20:17:29] | awalls: | Or is the hdpvr on a usb controller that is sharing an interrupt line with something else? |
| [20:17:35] | awalls: | UP = uniprocessor |
| [20:17:50] | awalls: | As opposed to SMP |
| [20:17:54] | darkdrgn2k: | ooo |
| [20:17:59] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh its a quad core amd |
| [20:19:53] | awalls: | My hypothesis is system latency in getting data from the hdpvr – so some is dropping on the floor. |
| [20:20:34] | darkdrgn2k: | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 620 Processor |
| [20:20:57] | awalls: | Testing the device on a Windows box is a good troubleshooting step, you should do that. |
| [20:21:26] | darkdrgn2k: | installing as we speak |
| [20:21:58] | ** awalls has to get back to day job work ** | |
| [20:24:09] | darkdrgn2k: | ok well allot better on the 7 box |
| [20:24:16] | darkdrgn2k: | slow but thats cause i have no hd accell installed |
| [20:24:22] | darkdrgn2k: | but its watcahble |
| [20:24:26] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: where did you put those video samples? |
| [20:25:14] | skd5aner: | when branches are merged in (like this – http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/20 . . . 076798.html) is there a way to summarize the major changes going into Master in the commit log? |
| [20:25:20] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Which? |
| [20:25:38] | wagnerrp: | for the video wizard thing |
| [20:25:43] | wagnerrp: | are they mirrored on our server yet? |
| [20:25:51] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: see programs/mythfrontend/setupwizard_video.cpp |
| [20:25:53] | iamlindoro: | and yes |
| [20:26:01] | wagnerrp: | seems the http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/ page is down |
| [20:26:04] | iamlindoro: | They're active, you can use it in current head |
| [20:26:10] | iamlindoro: | Setup->Setup Wizard |
| [20:26:14] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: ^ my comment above |
| [20:26:19] | wagnerrp: | and http://mythtv.org/wiki/HD_Playback_Reports page could use new test videos |
| [20:26:31] | iamlindoro: | But URLs at the top of the code above, to avoid posting them in the channel gratuitously |
| [20:27:01] | iamlindoro: | hmm, I guess it probably wouldn't be *that* much additional traffic to post them there, but I'm wary of pushing our luck |
| [20:28:33] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm new cable and differn tporit increased watchability a little but its jittery as all he... |
| [20:29:35] | wagnerrp: | 76MB and 25MB, small enough we could punt them on some filebin site |
| [20:30:03] | iamlindoro: | for wiki purposes, yes, but you're not suggesting we do so for MFE, are you? |
| [20:30:04] | wagnerrp: | let them handle the throughput |
| [20:30:11] | darkdrgn2k: | http://www.networkedserver.net/test2.mpg |
| [20:30:11] | wagnerrp: | no, wiki purposes |
| [20:30:16] | iamlindoro: | ok, cool |
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| [20:39:00] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Hooo boy, the guy on the list wants myth to just pass through his VCR and have the users just press buttons on the VCR itself |
| [20:39:10] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Isn't that what a TV IS FOR? |
| [20:39:46] | wagnerrp: | i think so, i could be wrong |
| [20:41:24] | iamlindoro: | He said as much himself just now |
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| [20:42:03] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i see the email |
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| [20:51:35] | sphery: | press buttons on the vcr? |
| [20:51:47] | wagnerrp: | manually, theyre going to walk up and do it |
| [20:52:10] | wagnerrp: | why would you have it any other way? you have to walk up there to put the tape in anyway, right? |
| [20:52:38] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:52:44] | sphery: | and why the tape or why the vcr? |
| [20:52:50] | qwerty___: | If I am recording two things, the front end locks up if I go to watch live tv. I can restart the frontend and it runs fine until I watch live tv again. If I watch it as a recording it works fine. Any idea why it is doing this? |
| [20:53:31] | sphery: | does he realize the difference between an encoder and a decoder? |
| [20:53:46] | wagnerrp: | sphery: mythtv is designed to be a PC-based AV receiver, isnt it? |
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| [20:54:22] | sphery: | ok... |
| [20:56:30] | justinh: | wow. I hate curtain poles. And the crappy wallplugs they ship with them |
| [20:56:31] | JEDIDIAH__: | if some guy wants to control myth with a VCR, he better be a EE and very comfortable with a soldering iron. |
| [20:56:55] | justinh: | JEDIDIAH__: or just hack up a USB keyboard.. or one of those MAME cabinet button thingies |
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| [20:57:17] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: i hope its the opposite, he wants to plug his VCR into his PVR-350 |
| [20:57:19] | justinh: | still though – mythtv wouldn't make a very good VCR analog |
| [20:57:22] | sphery: | there, I sent my piece of wisdom |
| [20:57:24] | wagnerrp: | and use mythtv to manage video passthrough to the TV |
| [20:57:28] | sphery: | don't know that I fully understood the thread, though |
| [20:57:33] | sphery: | so may not have been relevant |
| [20:57:51] | justinh: | they shoot horses, don't they? |
| [20:57:59] | justinh: | s/horses/clueless\ people/ |
| [20:59:11] | wagnerrp: | sphery: the second link is spot on |
| [21:00:14] | wagnerrp: | and 3.5 years later, its still valid |
| [21:02:19] | sphery: | heh, cool |
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| [21:08:32] | kormoc: | VCR? Is this the 80s? Did I hop in a hot tub time machine last night? |
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| [21:09:24] | wagnerrp: | user is failing to scan for channels on his pvr-350, because he wants to use channel 4 from the vcr, because he wants mythtv to do passthrough for it |
| [21:09:31] | wagnerrp: | go figure |
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| [21:11:11] | ** sphery finds that the best fuzz tester is a dev stumbling around trying to figure out how to use a proto command ** | |
| [21:11:24] | wagnerrp: | heh... yeah... |
| [21:11:38] | wagnerrp: | theres a lot of calls you can make which will insta-segfault the backend |
| [21:11:56] | wagnerrp: | we dont need a fuzz tester yet |
| [21:12:05] | wagnerrp: | we just need to do some basic input checking |
| [21:13:10] | justinh: | arghh I think I just ran into my first problem with the silence detecting commflagger |
| [21:13:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, found some assert-crashes in QUERY_SG_GETFILELIST and QUERY_SG_FILEQUERY |
| [21:13:21] | sphery: | patching, now |
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| [21:17:15] | sphery: | possible commit message, "Disable network shutdown of backend via QUERY_SG_FILEQUERY and QUERY_SG_GETFILELIST. This functionality should probably get a more sensible command name." :) |
| [21:18:34] | sphery: | now to find why my system thinks itself a remote backend |
| [21:23:18] | justinh: | gah this log is showing me the SG dirs but doesn't seem to be doing anything much |
| [21:26:09] | sphery: | heh, seems that was my (unintentional) fuzzing causing that--put args out of order, and it confuses things |
| [21:27:22] | wagnerrp: | if fails hard if you omit values as well |
| [21:28:09] | justinh: | ah I had a stuck job |
| [21:29:29] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, that's the patch I have |
| [21:29:33] | sphery: | it's a Qt assert |
| [21:29:42] | justinh: | accidentally ran the wrapper with no args so it went off trying to flag everything & got stuck on the oldest recording |
| [21:30:16] | justinh: | maybe it's time to take em off & make em into videos |
| [21:30:32] | sphery: | heh, forgot I switched my repo to fixes |
| [21:30:44] | sphery: | that would have been a backwards committal |
| [21:30:50] | ** iamlindoro casually wonders if anyone will ever bother making all these wrappers to mythcommflag into a proper commflagging method ** | |
| [21:31:11] | iamlindoro: | you know, like, something that doesn't start with #!/bin/sh |
| [21:31:20] | sphery: | iamlindoro: um, why? using C++ when you have awk is just plain silly |
| [21:31:31] | iamlindoro: | you're right, I was silly just then |
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| [21:31:51] | justinh: | iamlindoro: putting this one into the code may only be of limited use to some folks anyway since it could use some tweaking for detection times etc |
| [21:32:11] | iamlindoro: | If it's worth doing in bash, it's worth doing properly instead ;) |
| [21:32:17] | sphery: | justinh: there's been talk of doing silence-based commercial detection for at least 6 years |
| [21:32:34] | sphery: | it would be a useful method... just that no one has been motivated enough to follow Captain_Murdoch's instructions on how to do it |
| [21:32:41] | justinh: | the silence detection works great BUT.. after having tested it for a couple of days my wife is now annoyed at the sponsor bumpers either side of the (perfectly detected) ads |
| [21:32:48] | iamlindoro: | and he even bothered to wikify those instructions |
| [21:33:06] | sphery: | and CM actually admitted that all works well enough for him that he's going to focus on things more useful to himself (as he should), so said someone else would need to do it |
| [21:33:20] | justinh: | I might look at it.. sometime... rofl |
| [21:33:57] | sphery: | however, it does need to be done in our code, not running some external mp3-splitting app |
| [21:34:02] | iamlindoro: | silence detection should even be really really easy |
| [21:34:11] | iamlindoro: | getting levels from ffmpeg should be trivial |
| [21:34:28] | sphery: | only hard part is getting mythcommflag to actually use audio |
| [21:34:40] | iamlindoro: | Set a threshold that you call silence, increment it every frame, when you see a given number of frames consecutive, mark |
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| [21:34:49] | sphery: | i.e. framework for adding new methods exists, but since none have used audio in the past, it will require some infrastructure |
| [21:35:05] | iamlindoro: | I would be shocked if it required much at all |
| [21:35:17] | justinh: | profiling it would be nifty too – and adding that might be a pig |
| [21:35:45] | iamlindoro: | But I say that with little actual effort to implement my own flagger |
| [21:36:45] | justinh: | I don't care how it's done at the end of the day. script, c++.. no matter |
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| [21:39:28] | sphery: | well, my saying that's the challenge is only based on hearsay: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/325525#325525 |
| [21:39:42] | sphery: | I've never looked at it, either, since current detection is more than good enough for me |
| [21:39:43] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Heh, I consider that a valid source ;) |
| [21:39:54] | sphery: | it is a dated source, though |
| [21:40:05] | sphery: | may have changed some in the last 3 years |
| [21:40:12] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: the history of the merged branch would be the easiest. That was a merge of the complete rewrite of myth_system |
| [21:40:14] | ** iamlindoro removes the [needs source] annotation from sphery ** | |
| [21:40:19] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:40:21] | ** squidly waves ** | |
| [21:40:47] | squidly: | anyone got a recomendation for an OIA HD/digital frame grabber |
| [21:40:52] | sphery: | There's a source for 98% of the things I say. That way, when I need to, I can usually pass off that other 2% as truthful. |
| [21:41:09] | sphery: | telling the truth is the best way to get away with lying |
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| [21:41:15] | squidly: | sphery: lol |
| [21:41:48] | sphery: | squidly: you don't want a frame grabber... an OTA digital capture card would be good, but if you also need analog capture, get a real analog capture card |
| [21:41:56] | sphery: | what specifically are you looking to record |
| [21:43:03] | squidly: | sphery: I'm dropping all my pay TV stuff.. There for I dont need my pvr-150 and pvr-250 any more |
| [21:43:27] | squidly: | I want to get an Over the Air card, that can grab the HD and unencryptoed stuff |
| [21:43:29] | sphery: | ATSC? |
| [21:43:35] | squidly: | sphery: I guess that would be it |
| [21:43:48] | squidly: | If I can get something that will grab two channels at once that would be great |
| [21:44:00] | sphery: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_Devices has a list of available devices |
| [21:44:14] | squidly: | sphery: thanks :D |
| [21:44:26] | sphery: | I think you should stay away from USB (but I am biased against USB) |
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| [21:45:07] | squidly: | sphery: you and me both.. |
| [21:45:18] | sphery: | the HVR-2250 is a nice dual-tuner ATSC card, but is rather expensive since it has analog encoders built in (i.e. basically 2xPVR-150 + 2xATSC capture) |
| [21:45:43] | squidly: | I like USB for Webcam, mice and keyboards |
| [21:45:45] | squidly: | that's it |
| [21:45:45] | Beirdo: | sphery needs an Atom box with USB connectivity :) |
| [21:45:46] | sphery: | I /think/ the HVR-1800 is a good dual-tuner card, but I don't know if its drivers work properly, yet/if it's usable in MythTV |
| [21:45:51] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:46:06] | sphery: | there are many others in this channel, though, who know much better than me |
| [21:46:07] | Beirdo: | I think I just defined sphery's version of hell |
| [21:46:23] | squidly: | Beirdo: lmao.. evil evil evil :D |
| [21:46:24] | sphery: | I have ATSC cards that probably belong in a museum |
| [21:46:35] | iamlindoro: | USB good for my GPS data transfer :) |
| [21:46:36] | sphery: | they're very old, so haven't looked at new ones much |
| [21:46:39] | squidly: | how much is the hvr-2250 :D |
| [21:46:42] | squidly: | oh that too |
| [21:46:45] | iamlindoro: | So I can upload pretty workout logs |
| [21:46:53] | sphery: | Beirdo: exactly... |
| [21:46:54] | squidly: | well how much do you think I will end up spening on a card? |
| [21:47:04] | squidly: | I'm trying to stick to about $100 |
| [21:47:08] | justinh: | one million dollars! |
| [21:47:26] | sphery: | Beirdo: I think it's the 10th circle: Intel Marketing |
| [21:47:34] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [21:47:44] | sphery: | (and, yes, I'm including USB in that circle--for a good reason) |
| [21:47:47] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:51:51] | sphery: | Beirdo: so, did we run out of addresses, yet? |
| [21:52:20] | Beirdo: | 5 /8s left |
| [21:52:47] | sphery: | Wonder when they'll start taking them away from us... Exercise eminent domain rules a bit... |
| [21:52:50] | sphery: | :) |
| [21:52:51] | Beirdo: | only 2 got asked for. so the end date is pushed by 2 more days... 3 left |
| [21:53:45] | Beirdo: | yeah, dunno :) |
| [21:53:59] | Beirdo: | I got my email working over IPv6 last night though |
| [21:54:40] | Beirdo: | and I'll be changing my server setups at home (if I can) to do IPv6, and if that fails, relay via my linode... over ipv6 |
| [21:55:59] | sphery: | making the switch is just so confusing when both are in use |
| [21:56:08] | Beirdo: | shouldn't be |
| [21:56:30] | Beirdo: | just treat it as all new networking |
| [21:56:33] | sphery: | with tunnels and everything |
| [21:56:36] | sphery: | all very confusing |
| [21:57:05] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:57:23] | Beirdo: | better to do it on your timetable than be forced to in a year or whatever |
| [21:57:34] | sphery: | yeah |
| [21:57:46] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, OT, but you might be interested in http://page2rss.com/ |
| [21:57:49] | wagnerrp: | digital framegrabber? |
| [21:57:55] | wagnerrp: | would that be like those HDMI capture cards? |
| [21:58:00] | sphery: | but in theory, it will take significantly less time than a year, so I'll just wait :) |
| [21:58:09] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:58:20] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Heh, is that facebook prompted? |
| [21:58:22] | Beirdo: | it would take you a weekend or so to get started, I'm sure |
| [21:58:30] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, aye :) |
| [21:58:45] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: hah, I was looking for a wordpress plugin to see if there was such a thing |
| [21:59:16] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you know if Grey Foxx got any closer to his ipv6 conversion? |
| [21:59:21] | justinh: | hmm this old nuv plays fine in mythfrontend but ffmpeg doesn't want to know |
| [21:59:23] | Beirdo: | dunno |
| [21:59:35] | Beirdo: | there wouldn't be a horribly large amount to change in the code |
| [21:59:53] | sphery: | presuming Qt support for IPv6 |
| [22:00:03] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [22:00:24] | Beirdo: | I know we have some IPv4-specific data structures in use |
| [22:00:36] | Beirdo: | but in general, it's fairly simple |
| [22:00:40] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: I think this will do the trick: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/rss-includes-pages/ |
| [22:00:50] | sphery: | yeah, and some "looks like an IPv4 address" code |
| [22:00:58] | sphery: | validation type stuff |
| [22:00:59] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [22:01:25] | Beirdo: | that and actual socket code (which only need minor tweaks) |
| [22:02:08] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, Aye, that's cool. DIdn't know they had one |
| [22:02:10] | Beirdo: | of course, mythweb is IPv6-friendly (other than maybe the part that talks directly to the backend) via Apache being good to go |
| [22:02:19] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Seems to have done the trick, and simple :) |
| [22:02:46] | kormoc: | Beirdo, we're ipv6 safe assuming php has ipv6 support compiled in |
| [22:02:53] | Beirdo: | cool :) |
| [22:05:54] | wagnerrp: | the python stuff is not ipv6 compliant |
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| [22:08:26] | Beirdo: | :( |
| [22:08:51] | wagnerrp: | stuff that doesnt look like an IPv4 IP will be treated as a hostname |
| [22:08:52] | Beirdo: | that due to technical limitations in python? |
| [22:09:22] | wagnerrp: | no, due to me supporting connection by hostname, rather than just by IP |
| [22:10:12] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: so, you have to look at individual commits to a branch, no way to sum up a merge of a branch into master in that commit log? |
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| [22:10:46] | Beirdo: | not after the fact for sure |
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| [22:12:15] | Beirdo: | I think there's an option to let you add comments in the merge commit when doing it, but once it's pushed, no |
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| [22:15:25] | skd5aner: | yea, not asking about after the fact :) |
| [22:15:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, would you say that QUERY_SG_GETFILELIST is the right way to go for checking for orphaned PNGs? |
| [22:15:34] | skd5aner: | asking if it can be done in the future :) |
| [22:15:38] | sphery: | (and, then, orphaned recording files/metadata) |
| [22:15:47] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you working on housekeeper stuff? |
| [22:15:54] | Beirdo: | ahh, yeah, we can try to do so in the future |
| [22:16:15] | sphery: | yeah, since the preview orphans have gotten new focus and the code will be usable for orphaned recording file/metadata stuff... |
| [22:16:34] | sphery: | as well as the initial population of the mediafile PNG entries... |
| [22:16:40] | skd5aner: | "merging branch x" doesn't tell you any changes without investigating... in SVN, people would almost always summarize the major changes when merging |
| [22:17:16] | skd5aner: | just asking because I know 0 about what is/is not capable within git, thanks |
| [22:18:03] | wagnerrp: | looks like im using getSGList... which maps to QUERY_SG_GETFILELIST |
| [22:18:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: other option--if not QUERY_SG_GETFILELIST is to send a backend command to each backend to have it do an inventory itself, then send only results back to mbe for consolidation |
| [22:18:29] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, thats good for one directly, which is all you really need |
| [22:18:45] | sphery: | one directly = one directory? |
| [22:19:08] | wagnerrp: | yeah, one folder directly |
| [22:19:20] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt walk through the whole file system for a full list |
| [22:19:24] | wagnerrp: | just the one folder |
| [22:19:35] | sphery: | yeah... having each backend able to scan its local stuff would allow doing an orphan check on a particular host (rather than all at once) |
| [22:19:58] | sphery: | right, I noticed that--which is how I found that it crashes with an assert if you don't provide the directory :) |
| [22:20:14] | sphery: | assumed with no directory, it would check all SG directories for hte named SG |
| [22:20:38] | wagnerrp: | just poll all the defined directories on that host |
| [22:20:46] | wagnerrp: | have a list of files that are there, a list of file that should be there |
| [22:20:52] | sphery: | considering asking Capt M if I can change it to do so (i.e. QUERY_SG_GETFILELIST[]:[]hostname[]:[]Default gives a list of everything in all Default SG dirs) |
| [22:20:52] | wagnerrp: | and get the diff on both sides |
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| [22:22:34] | sphery: | yeah, and really, there's probably no good reason to circumvent the mbe in the orphan check (i.e. send a request for just a remote backend's orphans directly to that remote backend) |
| [22:22:49] | sphery: | so might as well manage it from the mbe |
| [22:22:55] | sphery: | and do the actual diff'ing there |
| [22:23:11] | sphery: | that also allows the mbe to notice when a recording got moved to a new host |
| [22:23:21] | sphery: | so, thanks... :) |
| [22:23:23] | sphery: | like the approach |
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| [22:34:59] | justinh: | gah spyware emergency on SWMBO's laptop |
| [22:35:49] | iamlindoro: | KILL IT |
| [22:35:52] | iamlindoro: | KILL IT WITH A HAMMER |
| [22:35:58] | iamlindoro: | KILL IT WITH FIRE |
| [22:36:16] | justinh: | Vista. I've been angling to do that for ages |
| [22:36:51] | justinh: | she should totally be running loonix on that machine. will she? meh |
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| [22:37:19] | justinh: | http://yellowsubmarinealicante.es was wot dun it guv.. I think |
| [22:38:19] | sphery: | we all live... |
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| [22:40:21] | kormoc: | SWMBO? |
| [22:41:04] | sphery: | she who must be obeyed |
| [22:41:18] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [22:42:06] | iamlindoro: | She who manages body odor |
| [22:42:58] | awalls: | If you don't listen to what she says, is it disobedience when you don't do what she asked? |
| [22:43:13] | kormoc: | yes |
| [22:43:19] | awalls: | rats. |
| [22:44:59] | justinh: | pfff. doesn't seem to be any of the sites she's visited – at least according to all the malware site checks |
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| [22:45:28] | ** justinh blames the .es site anyway ** | |
| [22:45:45] | awalls: | Espana? |
| [22:46:38] | justinh: | yup |
| [22:46:52] | iamlindoro: | thaths not pothible, theñor |
| [22:47:00] | justinh: | I'd try on my own laptop but I don't wanna get infected too :P |
| [22:47:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Get her a mac... problem will be solved. ;-) |
| [22:47:36] | iamlindoro: | </obscure spanish pronunciation joke> |
| [22:48:06] | ** justinh burns everybody who just yells 'GET A MAC' as the answer to all computer related problems ** | |
| [22:48:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Or put Linux on it. ;-) Even better, no need to purchase new hardware. |
| [22:48:40] | justinh: | already tabled that |
| [22:48:47] | justinh: | she saw linux once. she hated it |
| [22:48:59] | reddn: | when |
| [22:49:05] | reddn: | which version |
| [22:49:06] | justinh: | it doesn't matter when |
| [22:49:09] | justinh: | she saw it. hated it |
| [22:49:21] | iamlindoro: | linux version 9 |
| [22:49:22] | justinh: | that's it now. mind is made up |
| [22:49:28] | iamlindoro: | no wait, it was version 8 |
| [22:49:47] | reddn: | .. a lot has changed, i've put ubuntu 9+ on abouty 5 friends computers and they all loved it |
| [22:50:03] | reddn: | mostly simple to use(until there is aproblem of course_ |
| [22:50:10] | iamlindoro: | How can you say a lot has changed when he didn't tell you when? |
| [22:50:14] | iamlindoro: | It could have been this morning |
| [22:50:25] | justinh: | reddn: preaching to the convert here man |
| [22:50:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | She probably wanted to play "Minesweeper". ;-) |
| [22:50:37] | ** awalls suspect reddn doesn't answer to a SWMBO ** | |
| [22:50:38] | justinh: | no point telling a woman to open her mind |
| [22:50:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ true that! |
| [22:51:23] | justinh: | I think if I can find a citrix client for *buntu that might nail the argument though |
| [22:51:51] | awalls: | Vista in a VM on linux... |
| [22:51:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | ick! |
| [22:52:05] | reddn: | what is a swmbo? |
| [22:52:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | (to both Citrix and Vista) |
| [22:52:15] | justinh: | no she'll need citrix for work |
| [22:52:19] | awalls: | Significant Other |
| [22:52:25] | iamlindoro: | We covered what a SWMBO is like literally two minutes ago |
| [22:52:47] | reddn: | i just got indude |
| [22:52:48] | reddn: | relax |
| [22:52:58] | ** awalls fumbles with dead-keys trying to type an n-ye ** | |
| [22:53:00] | reddn: | i do. she uses a mac, but has used my laptops and likes it |
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| [22:54:20] | justinh: | I wish I was in a high enough income bracket to think nothing of dropping a grand on a mac |
| [22:54:51] | justinh: | damn mortgage |
| [22:55:07] | iamlindoro: | And puppy and baby |
| [22:55:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Yeah, that kills me too.. :-( |
| [22:55:22] | iamlindoro: | the poverty trifecta |
| [22:56:15] | justinh: | I really like the look of them.. the stuff.. everything bar the price. oh and the risk of turning into a foppish **** fanboy |
| [22:57:02] | justinh: | I know not all mac users are vehement fanboi material though. some of my best friends have mac stuff |
| [22:57:28] | justinh: | whoah how much for the new mini? :-O |
| [22:58:10] | justinh: | 'from £619'. chuh. used to start at £399 IIRC |
| [22:58:42] | justinh: | oo I know. I can't afford one. BUT WANT ONE. So I shall steal one |
| [22:58:56] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like our users and content |
| [22:59:17] | JEDIDIAH__: | windows-in-a-box (VM) works very well for work related requirements. |
| [22:59:23] | justinh: | apt-get install scruples |
| [22:59:51] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...just need the exra RAM and CPU and such. |
| [22:59:52] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Dependencies not met: Proper-upbringing respect-for-others basic-decency |
| [23:00:09] | justinh: | lol |
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| [23:01:45] | kormoc: | Raptor Jr needs to retake english 101 |
| [23:04:15] | nutron: | looks like all this bs was really caused by pci latency, I guess I'll see later on, but by now.. (well... I'm at work) it should've crapped out a card or two |
| [23:04:18] | nutron: | hasn't |
| [23:04:21] | nutron: | \o/ |
| [23:04:31] | ** nutron rejoices.. it's only taken since may to get this box stable ** | |
| [23:06:54] | sphery: | congrats! |
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| [23:12:07] | ahhughes: | do these "integrated intel hd graphics" have myth/linux driver support? or is it another "ATI"? |
| [23:12:21] | JEDIDIAH__: | which chipset? |
| [23:14:41] | ahhughes: | intel... but this was a general question.. so some are supported others are not? |
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| [23:17:11] | sphery: | put it this way, they don't have VDPAU support |
| [23:17:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | ahhughes: There was (is?) work being done for VAAPI support – I haven't followed it in a while, so I'm not sure where it stands... |
| [23:17:14] | JEDIDIAH__: | level of support is going to depend on the particular GPU. This isn't just a Linux thing. |
| [23:17:17] | sphery: | and VDPAU is actually useful for MythTV |
| [23:18:10] | sphery: | VAAPI support in MythTV is on hold because the only GPUs for which it's usable are nvidia GPUs (ATI and Intel drivers are severely lacking), and for nvidia, we have VDPAU, so no need for VAAPI |
| [23:18:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^^ ;-) better said then what I was typing. ;-) There's your status ahhughes |
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| [23:22:06] | ahhughes: | status is... "NVIDIA Only" thank ya all! |
| [23:22:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | ahhughes: you can use an Intel or ATI card with Linux, but won't get the benefits of offloading decoding to the card. ;-) |
| [23:23:26] | sphery: | and in the future, as opengl becomes more important to MythTV, you may find issues with OpenGL |
| [23:23:55] | ahhughes: | its ok... limits my choice of laptop to say... 5% but thats life. |
| [23:23:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | ooh, I didn't know that. Doh! |
| [23:24:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | ahhughes: What? There's lots of laptops out there with Nvidia gfx... |
| [23:24:48] | sphery: | as long as you like Intel :) |
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| [23:25:24] | sphery: | (i.e. getting hard to find any AMD-based systems with integrated nvidia) |
| [23:25:37] | ahhughes: | J-e-f-f-A, yar.... I want one with 1080p screen res so that I can mirror the display between laptop/tv |
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| [23:26:17] | sphery: | ahhughes: for the report, straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 0082#460082\ |
| [23:26:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Oh yeah... duh. yeah, my new AM3 mb has ATI onboard – it's disabled, and I've got an Nvidia GT215 in there instead... ;-) |
| [23:26:23] | sphery: | er, without that last \ |
| [23:26:25] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/460082#460082 |
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| [23:26:40] | ahhughes: | all this laptops and tablets that come with hdmi out and don't run 16:9 resolutions SUCK for media devices! |
| [23:26:40] | sphery: | horse = the guy who's writing the playback code |
| [23:27:03] | sphery: | ahhughes: yeah, getting a 1080p res laptop is getting hard |
| [23:27:56] | sphery: | thanks to the netbook craze, the world seems to think 1280x800 is a good idea |
| [23:29:44] | sphery: | or 1024x600 or whatever |
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| [23:43:07] | wagnerrp: | ahhughes: nvidia graphics are only required if you want good opengl performance or hardware accelerated decoding |
| [23:43:28] | sphery: | or future-proofing :) |
| [23:43:49] | wagnerrp: | the integrated intel stuff on the i3/i5 processors is 'good enough' for the opengl renderer in mythtv |
| [23:44:24] | wagnerrp: | but as sphery said, there is no timeframe for VAAPI support in mythtv |
| [23:44:34] | wagnerrp: | its more of 'when intel gets around to making the drivers stable |
| [23:44:57] | wagnerrp: | and with no hardware accelerated decoding, youre likely to have fairly limited battery performance during video playback |
| [23:45:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, orphaned previews... how important do you think it is to verify that the PNG looks like a PNG and/or looks like a preview pixmap? |
| [23:45:54] | wagnerrp: | rsp: in find_orphans.py, i just check to see if the file exists |
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| [23:46:04] | wagnerrp: | oof... sphery |
| [23:46:19] | sphery: | or is it reasonable to just delete any PNG file in any recordings directory that's not associated with a valid recording? |
| [23:46:41] | sphery: | my desire is to automatically just delete previews |
| [23:46:54] | wagnerrp: | i dont do any file size checking, nor do i read the first few characters for the magic byte |
| [23:47:02] | sphery: | but if some user has a Banners directory also in a Default SG, it could cause issues |
| [23:47:28] | sphery: | I was thinking I'd do a file size check (since it's in the query output) and consider anything smaller than a PNG header invalid |
| [23:47:32] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, all of those SGs are automatically excluded by defaultttttttttt |
| [23:47:43] | sphery: | all of what SGs? |
| [23:47:46] | sphery: | banners? |
| [23:47:48] | sphery: | I mean dirs |
| [23:47:53] | wagnerrp: | all the mythvideo stuff |
| [23:48:13] | sphery: | i.e. I define Banners to have /srv/mythtv/banners, but for some unknown reason, I also add /srv/mythtv/banners to Default |
| [23:48:41] | wagnerrp: | then you deserve to have all your artwork deleted... :) |
| [23:48:48] | sphery: | heh, yeah, that's my feeling |
| [23:48:55] | hipitihop: | I'm currently running Mythbuntu 0.23.1 on Ubuntu 9.10 base using autobuild repos, can I and how do I upgrade to 0.24 ? |
| [23:48:56] | sphery: | can do better checking with the new setup |
| [23:49:25] | wagnerrp: | hipitihop: if the mythbuntu ppas do not provide 0.24 packages for that build |
| [23:49:27] | sphery: | i.e. prevent users from adding dirs to non-recording SGs that exist in recording SGs (or adding non-recording SG dirs to recording SGs) |
| [23:49:47] | wagnerrp: | then youll need to build it on your own from source |
| [23:50:05] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and should I worry about users doing something boneheaded, like storing family photos in a dir in their recordings SGs? |
| [23:50:41] | sphery: | I think we just have to say, "This is how it will work, if you lose info, it's on you;" otherwise we will never be able to clean up |
| [23:51:22] | hipitihop: | wagnerrp, hmm, I might just have to upgrade the base but was avoiding that as I also run asterisk on the box and just prefer leaving things working |
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| [23:51:56] | Plugh: | When I have mythtv make a DVD of some videos sitting on my HD the font used on the DVD is very hard to read. It might be ok if you are watching the generated DVD on a computer or LCD TV but not on a standard TV. What font does it use by default? Is there some way I can change the font it uses to something that would be more readable? |
| [23:52:11] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i think we should have checks in mythtv-setup to warn people of such when they create the rules |
| [23:52:17] | wagnerrp: | s/rules/folders/ |
| [23:52:49] | wagnerrp: | hipitihop: if you have the necessary prereqs, there is nothing preventing you from building from source on your own |
| [23:52:52] | sphery: | right |
| [23:52:55] | sphery: | makes sense |
| [23:53:12] | sphery: | but any with already-broken configs will have to fix them beforehand |
| [23:53:52] | wagnerrp: | sphery: just warn people if there are any pre-existing files in any storage folders they create |
| [23:54:15] | sphery: | but since most have already configured sg's, they won't be warned |
| [23:54:18] | sphery: | that's all I was saying |
| [23:54:27] | sphery: | at least not until they go to change something |
| [23:55:13] | hipitihop: | wagnerrp, I guess that's the rub, only done a handful of things from source so if I hit a snag I'm not too confident to work my way out of trouble, and not sure how all that then will cooperate with the normal mythbuntu repos/ppas etc |
| [23:56:04] | wagnerrp: | sphery: the new sheeva plug has a 1.2GHz ARM, can i use it for a backend? |
| [23:56:30] | JEDIDIAH__: | apt-get is very handy for dealing with dependencies when you're building stuff from scratch. Makes it a lot easier. |
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| [23:57:19] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, yeah, and there's now a d-link media box using that |
| [23:57:32] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=DSM-380&tab=3 |
| [23:57:38] | sphery: | boxee box, specifically, is using it |
| [23:57:44] | sphery: | though I think a newer one uses atom |
| [23:58:17] | wagnerrp: | the boxee box was always an atom SOC |
| [23:58:39] | wagnerrp: | integrated graphics and dual video decoder |
| [23:59:12] | sphery: | ah, maybe it was only the prototype that used ARM/Tegra 2 |
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| [23:59:34] | sphery: | so, which box uses the ARM/Sheeva stuff.... |
| [23:59:57] | wagnerrp: | yeah, they decided the tegra was not powerful enough |
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