Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, January 31st, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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Beirdo:

OK, now to see if this svnToGit will work for us

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Beirdo:

sorry, svnAndGit

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Beirdo:

oooh cool

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Beirdo:

they had Rick James on this one... and now Isaac Hayes

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jr99:

Hi everyone. I am having trouble compiling myth-0.24. I have Centos(Redhat) Linux and get the following:

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jr99:

-I../libmythlivemedia/UsageEnvironment -I../libmythdb -I../libmythui -I/usr/incl

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jr99:

ude -I. -o analogsignalmonitor.o analogsignalmonitor.cpp

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jr99:

/usr/include/linux/videodev2.h:352: error: field ‘timestamp’ has incomplete type

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jr99:

../libmyth/mythdialogs.h: In static member function ‘static DialogCode MythPopup

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[R]:

i think they say centos is too old

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[R]:

jr99: but thats an issue with your systme headers... not myth

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Gibby:

I created a script with the correct IR commands to reset my directv box and tested it on the backend, how do i assign it a key? i tried watching the logs to see how it executes a channel but don't see anything

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[R]:

executes a channel?

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Gibby:

yeah when i change a channel was trying to see how it calls and executes the IR commands

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[R]:

it calls the channel change command you set in mythtv-setup

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sphery:

with a single argument that's the frequency ID you specify in mythtv-setup

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sphery:

(defaults to the channel number)

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** Gibby scratches head **

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Gibby:

it is using a channel changing script

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sphery:

it is if you've specified anything for "External channel change command" for the input in mythtv-setup

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Gibby:

yes i did for my directv box and changing channel and everything works, i just want to be able to bind a key on the frontend to a script on the backend..... am i making sense? i think i would need to add a DB entry to a new key binding name then on the front end bind that to a key

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darkdrgn2k:

is hdpvr still the best way to record hd from a receiver?

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[R]:

darkdrgn2k: its the only way

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darkdrgn2k:

[r]: just checking if somethign newer/better came out

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darkdrgn2k:

casue its only 215 bucks now

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[R]:

215 is "only" for the hdpvr?

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[R]:

i thought msrp was like 200

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darkdrgn2k:

didnt it use to be like 250

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Gibby:

looks like you can get them on ebay for ~170

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darkdrgn2k:

210 canadian <- :)

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[R]:

i got mine new for 175

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darkdrgn2k:

from?

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[R]:

newegg or buy

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[R]:

i forget

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[R]:

it was lke 2 year sago

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm newegg sells them for 194.99 (can)

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darkdrgn2k:

i hate happagues's remote..

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[R]:

so don't use it

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[R]:

problem solved

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darkdrgn2k:

i dont.... i got a drawr full of them!

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[R]:

a captuer device's location is in a closet anyway

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darkdrgn2k:

they dont come with a blaster right

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[R]:

"they"?

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darkdrgn2k:

do hdpvrs come with blasters

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[R]:

yes

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[R]:

the freakin hauppague explains it all

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[R]:

seriously, how hard is it to read?

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darkdrgn2k:

buut... are they firmwared like the remote?

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[R]:

"firmwared"?

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darkdrgn2k:

yeh you know the happagure remote can only use signals in the firmware.

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[R]:

yes

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[R]:

you can only blast codes it knwos about

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darkdrgn2k:

is the blaster the same or can you blast anything

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm that sux :)

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[R]:

ir blasters suck to begin with

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darkdrgn2k:

well then problem is how do you tune the receiver

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[R]:

a more reliable method such as tcp, or serial, or firewire

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darkdrgn2k:

joys of living in canadad – dont have that ability

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darkdrgn2k:

have a ethernet jack on the receiver.. but its ussless

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[R]:

that sucks

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[R]:

good luck with that

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darkdrgn2k:

very much so :(

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darkdrgn2k:

i hate CRTC

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you see you could install android 3.0 on your nook?

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knightr:

darkdrgn2k, I have seen the HD PVR on sale (at least two times) in Canada for 150 so 215 is way too costly...

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Gibby:

i ended up just making a new entry in the util_menu.xml that calls a script on the FE that just ssh's to the backend and executes the script, it works

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k-man:

should i add a -v something to try and get better logging for the

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k-man:

for the "please wait" bug i am experiencing?

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wagnerrp:

is it livetv or all playback?

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k-man:

all playback, i never watch live tv so i don't know if it occurs there

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k-man:

i think the reports of the bug in the mailing list are to do with live tv aren't they?

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Wicked:

hmm. anyone hear about complaints with weird colored artifacts using the lastest nvidia driver?

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Wicked:

when playing videos that is

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[R]:

what do you call the "latest"?

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Wicked:

260.19.36

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[R]:

well i'm on 19.29

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[R]:

no problems

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[R]:

looks like i have an update

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[R]:

but i need to update my kernel first

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Wicked:

yea i didnt have any issues previously either...which made me think it might be the newer driver

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[R]:

i highly doubt its a driver issue

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Wicked:

i just recently did both(kernel,nvidia driver)

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Wicked:

brb gonna try to log out then back in and restart x

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Wicked:

hmm. im wondering if me plugging in my other monitor may have triggered something...it does not seem to be doing once i restarted x

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darkdrgn2k:

any canadian's running on Express Vu via Blasters?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: yeah, haven't done it yet though

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Chicago:

Hi, I'm having trouble using mytharchive. The error I see in my log refers to a database insert failing "Unknown column 'duration' in 'field list'". Which causes the problem of only the first chapter (first five minutes) being created when I generate an ISO or DVD.

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Chicago:

Am I supposed to import some schema on my own to use mytharchive?

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[R]:

sounds like your db is horribly horribly corrupt

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wagnerrp:

mytharchive is supposed to create all the tables it needs

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Chicago:

It probably is corrupt! A few weeks ago I noticed I ran out of space on my mysql parition due to not having turned off bin_logs in my.conf...

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Chicago:

I see output like this in the console log while trying to create a new archive -> http://pastebin.com/rF1Ajsfc

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Chicago:

my.cnf rather.

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Chicago:

wagnerrp, if I delete the archiveitems table, do you think mytharchive would be successful in recreating it properly?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

you need to delete the tables mytharchive uses, and delete the settings key used to store the schema version

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Chicago:

wagnerrp, should this be accurate, it refers to only the archiveitems table -> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:MythArchive_DB_Table

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt trust that as definitive

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sphery:

Chicago: you need to delete the schema version, too

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sphery:

Chicago: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "DROP TABLE IF EXISTS archiveitems; DELETE FROM settings WHERE value = 'ArchiveDBSchemaVer';"

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wagnerrp:

sphery: oh the joys of transcoding

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wagnerrp:

i had transcoded a couple episodes of Life in an attempt to get them playable on my PS3... before the PS3 supported ATSC content directly

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wagnerrp:

im trying to watch it, and im up to 75 seconds difference by now

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sphery:

a/v sync?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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sphery:

75s? that would be hard to watch

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sphery:

wow

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sphery:

what container?

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wagnerrp:

h264, aac, mp4

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sphery:

I've always had a very tough time with a/v sync when playing with transcoding

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sphery:

which is part of the reason I never do more than play'

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Chicago:

sphery, wagnerrp, happily, it seems to be working now.

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wagnerrp:

i must have ivtc'd to 24fps, but multiplexed it to 30fps

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sphery:

heh, well, IMHO, it's still worth watching

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sphery:

Life was good

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sphery:

I miss it

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wagnerrp:

at least they knew the end was coming, and ended it well

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

I heard Sarah Shahi got a new show

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sphery:

think it's cable, though

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wagnerrp:

the partner?

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

looks like it's Fairly Legal

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sphery:

USA

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wagnerrp:

the USA show?

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sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

you know... it never clicked that it was her

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

she does look different in the promo pics

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sphery:

bigger hair

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sphery:

wow... http://www.tv.com/sarah-shahi/person/26645/summary.html -> Birth Name: Aahoo Jahansouzshahi

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wagnerrp:

no, Jahansouz was a middle name

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wagnerrp:

no one would be so cruel to a kindergartner as to make that their last name

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wagnerrp:

could you imagine having to spell that as a four year old?

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

that show had one of the most amazing endings ever

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sphery:

Life?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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kormoc:

Life? The Planet Earth like thing voiced by Opera?

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sphery:

yeah, was a good ending

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wagnerrp:

not so much the whole ending, just the singular scene that concluded everything

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sphery:

Not Disney's Life, just Life :)

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: cop show, staring the guy from Band of Brothers

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kormoc:

Ahh, I was wondering

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wagnerrp:

never watched it?

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kormoc:

nopers

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sphery:

Only thing that ever disappointed me in Life was that they trailed off on the fruit love a bit throughout

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wagnerrp:

probably worth buying, or at least renting if youve got a netflix account or something

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sphery:

and they left so many fruits unexplored

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sphery:

kormoc is probably wondering how fruit love fits into a cop show

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wagnerrp:

graphically, it was on Showtime

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sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

sphery, I thought it better not to ask for clarification on that point

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sphery:

ah, yeah, channel rules and all

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Chicago:

MythArchive is no longer generating errors in my log, but I am still having the problem i started with. While creating a DVD in mytharchive (set to make an ISO not burn the dvd), I am just getting the first five minutes of each recording.

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wagnerrp:

anyone else get a strange pleasure watching actors screw up and move when theyre supposed to be playing a dead body?

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wagnerrp:

youre not dead! i can see you breathing!

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Chicago:

I am going to try and create a native archive with mytharchive next, and see if the same thing happens...

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Chicago:

If the native archive works fine... then I can just start over with a fresh db... saving the 8 or so recordings I care about.

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wagnerrp:

native archive... is that something different from an authored dvd?

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Chicago:

With create dvd, it should be transcoding to AC3... with native archive, it should simply copy my files which the pvr-x50 created along with the metadata

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wagnerrp:

so... not an authored DVD?

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Chicago:

Correct. When I choose "Archive Files" from the menu, I can select either "Create DVD" or "Create Archive".

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wagnerrp:

i dont see the purpose of an archive

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Chicago:

wagnerrp, I do. Let's suppose you want to preserve recordings; dump your database and then import them...

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Chicago:

wagnerrp, were you being sarcastic?

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wagnerrp:

no, im being serious

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wagnerrp:

IMHO, the only reason to use mytharchive is to create a properly archived DVD to be used in a standalone player

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Chicago:

I could see the 'native archive' (ISO) as redundant; if I new a way to take a recording, make some XML for it's metatadata; so I could use it later in an export/import scenario.

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wagnerrp:

planned, but not yet implemented

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wagnerrp:

ive got some very crude workup in the python bindings

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wagnerrp:

but its only going to be a partial import

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Chicago:

I noticed tonight; MythArchive's work/ directory does make an xml file with the metadata.

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Chicago:

I am guessing it's all generated from mythburn.py, but I stopped reading that script after the first 10–15 pages.

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dserban:

how does the backend communicate with mythweb?

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dserban:

via myth protocol? network socket interface? uhh, ipc?

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Beirdo:

yes, yes and no

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dserban:

know of a way to double-check that it's communicating?

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Beirdo:

mostly myth protocol IIRC, but it uses the web interface for some things (in particular the status screen)

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dserban:

nothing's coming back via the backend to mythweb, so I want to trace why.

[06:02:31]

wagnerrp:

technically, the backend doesnt communicate with mythweb

[06:02:37]

wagnerrp:

mythweb communicates with the backend

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dserban:

wagnerrp, kinda what I meant ... though mythweb gets nothing back on occasion. sooo...

[06:03:28]

wagnerrp:

usually means something funky going on with the backend

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wagnerrp:

its very rarely mythweb's fault

[06:04:04]

Beirdo:

well, yeah, the backend is responding, not initiating

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wagnerrp:

you know, im wondering if im just going overkill on this mutex granularity

[06:05:21]

dserban:

humm well it's recording... not cutting off recordings... hanging a card and not responding to mythweb :P... fun!

[06:05:32]

wagnerrp:

the code im locking on should be extremely quick to return, just using one global mutex for it should be enough

[06:05:42]

wagnerrp:

rather than two levels of read/write mutexes

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kormoc:

dserban, same box?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: using QReadWriteLock?

[06:07:29]

dserban:

kormoc, yeah

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: yeah

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Beirdo:

cool

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wagnerrp:

no, im saying im making it far more complex than it needs to be

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kormoc:

dserban, 0.24?

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dserban:

kormoc, -fixes too even

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Beirdo:

we have so much questionable locking around though. It might be good to design it properly up front

[06:08:35]

Beirdo:

but yeah, you might be overthinking it :)

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kormoc:

dserban, classes/MythBackend.php has a unified function all backend communication uses

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wagnerrp:

right now, ive got a map of structs, which contain a socket, hostname, some other information, and a map of registered handlers for it

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dserban:

kormoc, thanks

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wagnerrp:

ive got readwrite locks on the main map, and each submap

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wagnerrp:

im thinking i just use one recursive mutex for the whole lot and be done with it

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wagnerrp:

or maybe just one read/write one

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Beirdo:

the only issue would be responsiveness if two sockets need simultaneous work, I would guess

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wagnerrp:

im just thinking the code its locking on should complete within microseconds

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Beirdo:

*should* be OK then :)

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kormoc:

It's never a problem until it is

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wagnerrp:

ill make it a single read/write

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Beirdo:

if that starts taking a significant amount of time, you may need to rethink, but it should be able to wait that long, I'd hope

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wagnerrp:

the only time anyone writes to it is on (dis)connection

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Beirdo:

right

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Beirdo:

global read/write is probably sufficient

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Rebecca:

is it possible to do the mythtv backend setup entirely via CLI?

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kormoc:

no

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Rebecca:

hmmmm, that's a bother..

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Rebecca:

i have already setup the DB and such, but only now does it have a capture card and antenna

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Rebecca:

do i need to connect a monitor to my backend just to configure a capture card?

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clever:

Rebecca: use X11 forwarding or vnc

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Rebecca:

clever: yeah.. fair enough.. kinda let down that i now have to run a GUI on my backend server just to set it up

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kormoc:

Rebecca, with X forwarding, you don't

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wagnerrp:

you already needed all the X11 libraries to compile/install it in the first place

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wagnerrp:

its not like youre missing anything to do X forwarding

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Beirdo:

maybe xauth

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Beirdo:

that's about it

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clever:

xauth would be on the server end (with the actual monitor)

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Beirdo:

not true

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Beirdo:

if you use X forwarding over ssh, you need it on the machine you connect to as well, as it is running a server (although it it actually tunnelled)

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Beirdo:

god, qmake sucks

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clever:

i havent tunneled X11 in years

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justinh:

that's what she said

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justinh:

so now to try & find out why I have no EIT data for Channel M or Absolute Radio

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justinh:

hmmm looking at the output of scan it seems like mythtv-setup has missed a few channels moving to new muxes somehow. Maybe user error/intervention

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justinh:

I'll be damned if I have to delete everything & rescan entirely though. Sick of that buggering up 'this channel' rules. Which incidentally – are vital if you don't like recording reams of repeats

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justinh:

Rebecca: web-based setup stuff for the backend is in the works. No ETA on that but it's a biiiiiiiiiiiiig job

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justinh:

whee I got EIT data for Absolute radio again. Myth had it on the wrong mux

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justinh:

hashbang: morning. you got CITV? got any guide data fer it?

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justinh:

I have a feeling there's nothing worth watching on there but it might be handy

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hashbang:

justinh: yup, got listings for CITV until 0600 on 12 Feb

[10:55:06]

hashbang:

justinh: did you see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythcommflag-wrapper BTW?

[11:01:38]

justinh:

yeah. tempted to try it

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justinh:

not sure if channel four is one of the channels that's reckoned to work with it – but I can cope with it missing sponsorship messages

[11:03:10]

justinh:

the script could do with rejigging to work with SGs though

[11:03:14]

hashbang:

justinh: I tried a few C4 recordings with it and only one failed; it extended the last add break to the end of the recording as the recording was truncated

[11:03:33]

hashbang:

justinh: yup, that's on the TODO list; it's not too hard

[11:03:45]

justinh:

'the' list?

[11:03:50]

justinh:

whose list? I could maybe do it

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hashbang:

my list, but if you want to, be my guest. :-)

[11:04:07]

justinh:

I have 2 recording dirs

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justinh:

so if I was to use it I'd have to change it anyway

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hashbang:

justinh: you should be able to just set $RECORDINGSROOT="/dir1 /dir2 /dirn"

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hashbang:

actually makes the SG handling even easier. :-)

[11:08:50]

justinh:

hrm. what does it depend on, this scripticle, then?

[11:08:55]

hashbang:

RECORDINGSROOT=`mysql -p -e "use mythconverg; select dirname from storagegroup;" | tail -n +2 | tr '\n' ' '`

[11:09:36]

hashbang:

mp3splt, ffmpeg, mysql, ionice are the only unusual things

[11:09:55]

hashbang:

http://mp3splt.sourceforge.net/

[11:09:59]

justinh:

ugh. no mp3split here

[11:10:04]

hashbang:

fedora has packages in ATrpms

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** justinh waits for sourceforge to load **

[11:10:11]

justinh:

and waits

[11:10:14]

justinh:

and waits

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hashbang:

splt not split :-)

[11:10:43]

justinh:

ah I've got mp3splt

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hashbang:

tada!

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hashbang:

oh, and maybe a GB or so in /tmp

[11:11:23]

hashbang:

hmm, maybe even a couple of GB

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hashbang:

only whilst it's working

[11:13:07]

justinh:

hmm commflagging is queued but not running

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hashbang:

justinh: it'll start in a minute or two

[11:13:35]

hashbang:

mythbackend only checks the jobqueue table periodically

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hashbang:

tail -f /var/log/mythtv/mythcommflag-wrapper to see it kick off

[11:14:33]

justinh:

nah

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justinh:

I didn't have commflagging allowed

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hashbang:

tada!

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hashbang:

that'll be it

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justinh:

needs a BE restart I think though :-\

[11:15:34]

justinh:

I hope it can be forced to re-read settings without restarting soon

[11:19:17]

hashbang:

hmm, channel 4 looks shaky

[11:19:51]

justinh:

think I'll go into edit, load the cutlist, invert it & test that way :)

[11:20:58]

hashbang:

I do love the way UNIX tools are designed to work together like this

[11:21:48]

hashbang:

based on the realisation that one can't anticipate every use of your tool in its design, so give it a standard way of interfacing with others

[11:23:48]

justinh:

heheh

[11:23:59]

justinh:

wow, that's amazing

[11:24:16]

justinh:

with a bit of tweaking it could take out the sponsor messages too

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hashbang:

justinh: I'm kinda hoping a bit of crowdsourcing (*spit*) will throw up some alternative values for mp3splt for other channels

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justinh:

you must mean community input (*SPIT*)

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justinh:

ah no, I got crowdsourcing confuzzled with flashmob

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** justinh is not down wit da kidz **

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justinh:

sponsor messages are about 10 secs

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justinh:

er wait a minute

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justinh:

in editing a recording shouldn't you have to load the advert flag list?

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hashbang:

justinh: the script ignores any recordings that already have a cutlist, if that's what you mean

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justinh:

no I thought if you commflagged a recording you had to then load the commflags into the edit list

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justinh:

which you could then invert etc

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justinh:

heh. I inverts the cuts

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hashbang:

justinh: that's what the mythcommflag.orig --setcutlist does

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justinh:

so why doesn't it just leave break markers?

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justinh:

ah it's setting a *cut* *list* not leaving break markers

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hashbang:

aha, using mark types 4 and 5 instead of types 0 and 1.

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hashbang:

yeah, that's probably a bug then

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justinh:

because there's no 'setbreaklist'

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justinh:

er setskiplist

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justinh:

opening up commflagging to different methods like this will be a nice watershed

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justinh:

take away the opaque black boxes of C++ code :)

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hashbang:

justinh: I think that will be a bit of a fight

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justinh:

why?

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justinh:

folks have been screaming out for ways to improve commflagging for years

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hashbang:

justinh: wagnerrp was talking about extending mythcommflag to include this approach, instead of writing it as a script

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justinh:

make it extensible

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hashbang:

justinh: I'm with you, though.

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justinh:

where the existing methods work already they tend to work very well

[11:36:26]

justinh:

but where they don't work.. eeeeew boy

[11:36:32]

** hashbang nods **

[11:36:48]

justinh:

when I still had Sky1, logo detection was the boss

[11:36:57]

justinh:

it was damn near perfect every time

[11:37:17]

hashbang:

I really don't like the way that mythbackend does something special if the commflagging command is 'mythcommflag' but not otherwise.

[11:37:36]

justinh:

anyway it doesn't have to be all about *scripts*

[11:37:39]

justinh:

just *actions*

[11:37:45]

hashbang:

"principle of least surprise" and all that

[11:38:32]

justinh:

if some of the controls mythcommflag uses internally were exposed to the outside caller maybe we'd all get a bit more joy

[11:38:57]

justinh:

the problem for us UK peeps is that it's a black box – as far as anybody without extensive c++ & image analysis knowledge is concerned

[11:39:15]

hashbang:

hopefully my script will add a bit of weight to those like you wanting a rearchitecting of commflagging

[11:39:26]

hashbang:

if enough people use it, but gripe that it's a bit ugly...

[11:39:55]

justinh:

so umm... what's it do differently where mythcommflag is concerned?

[11:40:05]

justinh:

apart from allow it to run concurrent with the recording

[11:40:34]

hashbang:

justinh: if it's 'mythcommflag' it runs it with -j <jobno> -V <verbosity> params, otherwise, with none

[11:41:52]

justinh:

hmmm

[11:42:24]

justinh:

doing it this way is a bit of a pain, but IMHO there's no *real* need to rename mythcommflag

[11:42:40]

hashbang:

should probably be done with format strings in the setting

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justinh:

heh it even found the start of The Simpsons just fine

[11:43:16]

justinh:

this is gonna be a keeper I reckon

[11:43:39]

hashbang:

justinh: yeah, it'd need to do an extra SQL query to find the newly-created job(s), or just flag everything that's unflagged.

[11:43:58]

justinh:

eh?

[11:44:18]

hashbang:

without the -j <jobno> parameter that only 'mythcommflag' gets passed

[11:44:33]

justinh:

why would it need the job #?

[11:44:47]

justinh:

won't it work like any other job & not need it?

[11:45:06]

hashbang:

how will it know which recording the user wanted to flag?

[11:45:42]

justinh:

if you set it up as a userjob you'd just do $THEUSERJOBTHING %FILENAME% %WHATEVER% %ETC%

[11:46:01]

hashbang:

oh, yeah, I 'spose...

[11:46:11]

hashbang:

but then the menus won't match, will they?

[11:46:24]

justinh:

all the user job stuff is gonna have a rejig to allow more than 4 jobs etc apparently

[11:46:51]

hashbang:

it'd be "watch recording, menu, jobs, run user job #1 (which the user magically knows is the UK-silence-detect-commflag.sh script)"

[11:46:54]

justinh:

gonna have / maybe did have

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justinh:

you can call jobs anything you want

[11:47:18]

justinh:

I've got a 'fix mpeg2' job :)

[11:47:29]

hashbang:

oh, OK

[11:47:40]

hashbang:

justinh: runs projectX over it?

[11:47:43]

justinh:

okay yeah so maybe it's an extra button press

[11:47:48]

justinh:

hashbang: can't remember

[11:48:02]

hashbang:

justinh: wiki it, it sounds interesting from the name. :-)

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hashbang:

justinh: I've often thought about running projectx over recordings to pull out the video and audio streams, then re-mplex (same way mytharchive does) as that'll probably take up ~25% less disc space

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hashbang:

justinh: without any real loss of quality

[11:49:21]

hashbang:

(oh, subtitles too)

[11:50:04]

justinh:

hashbang: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Iamlindoro

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justinh:

to hell with subtitles & in-vision signing

[11:51:18]

justinh:

ho ho ho. non-programme content makes up about 50% of a lot of recordings

[11:51:43]

hashbang:

justinh: not sure it'd be worth the cost of the extra power consumption vs. cost of disc space, though. :-)

[11:51:48]

justinh:

I record Pete Tong & The Essential Mix still – 2 hours of that ends up at about 1.5GB.. go figure

[11:52:09]

hashbang:

justinh: hmm, a MacOS X script, I think. :-)

[11:52:13]

justinh:

that reminds me I was looking into butchering which PIDs get recorded at some point

[11:52:48]

justinh:

make some new profiles.. EVERYTHING, TV, RADIO, Video&Primaryaudio ...

[11:53:13]

justinh:

somebody I work with has a sideline where he'd like to be able to archive DVB-T subtitles

[11:53:18]

stuartm:

hashbang: if you're talking about stripping additional audio, subtitle and data then mythtranscode will already do that in a lossless transcode

[11:53:45]

justinh:

I still have some recordings mythtranscode pukes on

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justinh:

occasionally not even ffmpeg can fix em up either

[11:55:22]

justinh:

anyhoo, making new profiles to go alongside the existing 'tv, radio, etc' profiles wouldn't be too hard... I just don't have enough free time anymore

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justinh:

wasn't one of the Google SoC projects trying to put silence detection into mythcommflag?

[11:57:36]

hashbang:

stuartm: right, OK. :-)

[11:57:44]

stuartm:

if it was, it didn't get past GO

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hashbang:

justinh: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/SoC2006#MythCommFlag_Enhancements

[11:58:55]

justinh:

oh that old chesnut. Higher perceived volume my ass

[11:59:06]

stuartm:

justinh: having tailored profiles for mythcommflag, applied per locale/channel would be great

[11:59:33]

hashbang:

stuartm: per channel, with a default for the locale.

[11:59:36]

justinh:

hey whatever benefits most people without leaving others out in the cold :)

[12:00:28]

hashbang:

justinh: isn't dynamic range compression used for ads?

[12:01:01]

stuartm:

hashbang: yeah it is, they crush it significantly

[12:01:06]

justinh:

generally, but try detecting that reliably

[12:01:20]

justinh:

films also get big squishing

[12:01:41]

justinh:

silence detection would be more reliable IMHO

[12:01:57]

stuartm:

and all non-classical music released in the last 20+ years

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

ouch. reading that SoC page is depressing

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justinh:

not that things haven't moved on – it's that people started out with good ideas, were backed up by core devs & things just fuzzled out

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stuartm:

everyone has good ideas, not everyone is willing to put in the work

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hashbang:

stuartm: for me, having things formalised just puts pressure on me and makes me too paranoid to produce anything because of the scrutiny it'll get

[12:07:19]

hashbang:

stuartm: I tend to just scratch my own itches, then throw them out there when I feel they're improvements on the status quo

[12:07:35]

hashbang:

stuartm: without the commitment of being a 'core dev' or anything like that

[12:08:02]

hashbang:

stuartm: Linux has core devs which act as sponsors for patches like that

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hashbang:

stuartm: I think it's a good model

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justinh:

I like to say I've had a fair amount of guidance from devs around here

[12:09:32]

justinh:

big advocate of having a go. been there, done that, will do again for sure

[12:10:18]

justinh:

sure we don't always agree on what's best but we generally agree we have to find better ways to do some things :)

[12:14:15]

justinh:

wow. a grand to fit a new gas boiler. I think I'm in the wrong job

[12:14:40]

justinh:

6 water pipes, one gas pipe... teensy bit of leccy wiring.. one thousand pounds

[12:15:28]

justinh:

all to get a 'certificate' which allegedly 'guarantees' it's a safe competent install. lol

[12:15:50]

hashbang:

justinh: sounds about right

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hashbang:

justinh: mine was 3 12 hour days and 2 8 hour days. He earnt it.

[12:16:21]

justinh:

doesn't guarantee my house won't explode though, does it?

[12:16:22]

hashbang:

justinh: I figure on about 30–40/hour for competent specialist skills

[12:16:35]

justinh:

no, the pipes are already there

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hashbang:

same here

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justinh:

this isn't putting in everything new

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hashbang:

that was just replacing a boiler and flue.

[12:17:34]

justinh:

lol how was that taking so long?

[12:17:50]

hashbang:

the removal of the old stuff took about a day

[12:18:05]

justinh:

I wouldn't call joining pipes a specialist skill :)

[12:18:06]

hashbang:

the flue was extra long, and needed boxing in afterwards

[12:18:28]

hashbang:

new room stat/timer too, with integration

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hashbang:

and he did a much tidier job of the pipework than with the original

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justinh:

I redid our pipework in a couple of hours. looked like the windows pipes screensaver when I started

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hashbang:

:-)

[12:20:16]

hashbang:

oh, flushing rads took a while too

[12:20:21]

justinh:

turn off gas, drain system, disconnect pipes remove unit from wall, put new unit on wall, connect pipes, fill system

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hashbang:

and he fitted a magnaclean

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justinh:

still though...

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hashbang:

justinh: seen vhsdirect.co.uk ? they've got some good deals on boilers.

[12:21:42]

hashbang:

hmmm, they did, anyway

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justinh:

lol

[12:22:10]

justinh:

local firm here: http://dlmservices.co.uk/index.asp

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justinh:

that's more like it!

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hashbang:

depends how temporary 'temporarily unavailable' is...

[12:22:21]

justinh:

from £1000 fitted

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hashbang:

justinh: something good like a Vailliant or Worcester, or something nasty like Vokera that pisses water all over the PCB? ;-)

[12:23:03]

justinh:

hashbang: the former 2

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justinh:

I hate them all anyway. they all seem to use controllers made by Honeywell

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justinh:

stupid underrated components

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justinh:

my current boiler needs a new board – it's about 15 years old now

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stuartm:

justinh: your current boiler is a condensing one?

[12:24:04]

justinh:

no

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hashbang:

justinh: I got an Ecotec 831 for about £800 from vhsdirect

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hashbang:

justinh: the fitting, flue, magnaclean, flush, boxing added about another 1K

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hashbang:

(local plumb center did fulfilment on the boiler for vhsdirect)

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justinh:

current boiler is like 28.5kW, but the ones on offer here are 25kW.. but the difference in efficiency will prolly blow our system away :)

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hashbang:

justinh: looks like a good price from dlm

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hashbang:

justinh: especially with that 5y warranty

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justinh:

yeah I might go with them.. after another couple of proper quotes

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hashbang:

justinh: I got a 3y warranty upgraded from 2y by buying from vhs

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justinh:

I can fix a lot of problems myself – and have done

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hashbang:

still, longer warranty > shorter. :-)

[12:26:34]

justinh:

but replacing the main board in my boiler needs a gas man to measure gas pressures & crap

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stuartm:

my parents are getting a new boiler, subsidised because they are on pensions, but the silly new regs require that it be a condensing boiler which requires a lot of additional work for the drain and increased gas pipe gauge

[12:27:11]

hashbang:

my 831 is scarily efficient

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justinh:

it was forever blowing out when it was windy. I worked out it needed a new venturi

[12:27:24]

justinh:

from ebay it was about a tenner. fitted in 15 mins

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hashbang:

I've only used £17 worth of gas over the last 3 months. :-)

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justinh:

sorted!

[12:27:47]

justinh:

but now it's not regulating the water or heating temp

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hashbang:

and I've had it locked on 21C whenever I'm home, and 18 overnight.

[12:28:02]

justinh:

heh

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stuartm:

not that anyone should know this, but I installed the original boiler myself ... suppose I could find myself in a lot of trouble for that if anyone bothered to check

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hashbang:

stuartm: AFAIK you can do whatever you like in your own home. When you sell, however...

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justinh:

stuartm: all it'd need is a certificate. you can get a certified bloke to do that

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justinh:

whether you can get anybody to issue one is another matter

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stuartm:

justinh: little point to it now, as I mentioned it's being replaced anyway in a couple of months :)

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AndyCap:

what does a condensing boiler do?

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justinh:

you just have to declare yourself 'competent'

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stuartm:

hashbang: your property sounds better insulated than mine

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hashbang:

stuartm: must be!

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justinh:

AndyCap: has a 2nd heat exhanger to re-use heat from the flue

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AndyCap:

Ah

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stuartm:

AndyCap: recovers heat from the exhaust gases

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justinh:

all this gas safe stuff is jobs for the boys

[12:30:28]

justinh:

there's no guarantee that the guy doing the work isn't off his face when he does the work

[12:30:41]

justinh:

same with Part P for electrical installation

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stuartm:

as of a few years ago, all new boilers must be 'condensing', although that's somewhat controversial since they can be much less reliable and have a shorter lifespan than traditional boilers

[12:30:56]

justinh:

pay the fee, take the course, hand customer an embossed piece of paper

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hashbang:

justinh: there's a bit of that certainly, incumbents in all industries tend to introduce barriers to entry for new entrants

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justinh:

a bit? LOL

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justinh:

anyway no worries, the £1000 the gas safe cert costs is soon recouped

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stuartm:

justinh: I've seriously considered taking some of these courses just so that I don't have to play that silly game

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justinh:

don't need many callouts to make that back

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justinh:

my wife turned down a guy who quoted £700 to rebuild our front garden wall

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stuartm:

!

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justinh:

by far & away the most realistic quote

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justinh:

others wanted £1500 minimum

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justinh:

she said she saw him arrive in a flash car

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hashbang:

I tend to get 3+ quotes and drop the highest and lowest. :-)

[12:33:13]

justinh:

I said DUH... no tradesman worth their salt isn't worth a bob or 2

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wagnerrp:

flash car?

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justinh:

middle quote was £15000

[12:33:31]

justinh:

er £1500

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justinh:

wagnerrp: yeah he called around to give her a quote on his way somewhere.. big posh fancy car

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justinh:

anyway it's about 1000 bricks worth.. maybe £350 materials total.. and the rest is a worthy labour fee

[12:35:33]

justinh:

BTW this is all working on the basis that we phoned around 12 companies & only 3 ever got back to us

[12:35:37]

stuartm:

I'm in the middle of adding additional loft insulation, that's a fun job and this spring I'll be replacing all the guttering, never really seems to end

[12:36:10]

justinh:

heh

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stuartm:

justinh: ah, yeah including materials it ain't so bad

[12:36:24]

justinh:

we've been decorating the main bedroom at home. it's taking *ages*

[12:36:56]

justinh:

I looked at going on a bricky school course – but that's £350 on its own

[12:37:45]

justinh:

but I think our experience of the firm my wife wanted to use (the £1500 one) doing next door's re-pointing -has shown her the way

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stuartm:

I'm useless at brick laying, done some in the back garden but thankfully it's where no-one can see it

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justinh:

they call themselves PML

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justinh:

it's ok they're not on the internet. or companies house

[12:38:29]

justinh:

Property Maintenance Limited

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stuartm:

heh

[12:38:36]

justinh:

and not on companies house. LOL

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hashbang:

not Piss Myself Laughing?

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justinh:

I call em PMSL

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hashbang:

:-)

[12:38:58]

justinh:

I almost walked into getting a re-roof with them last year

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justinh:

I've seen them about quite a bit – so they'd be no fly by nights

[12:39:43]

justinh:

but the 'warranty' they offer isn't worth jack schidt if they're not in a trade assoc.. and they're not

[12:40:06]

justinh:

so I sacked em. considered shopping em to local office of fair trade too

[12:40:29]

justinh:

but apparently they're not too hot at chasing up companies who misuse the word 'limited'

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hashbang:

justinh: also "VAT registered" companies who aren't, but use it as an excuse to charge 20% extra clear profit. :-)

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stuartm:

btw, if anyone is looking for fibreglass insulation – £3 for 'king' size, 200mm rolls at B&Q – huge bargin considering that they'd normally be £22 each

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stuartm:

started the job before they started that offer, this subsidised stuff has a better r-value than the stuff I was paying £23 for

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hashbang:

stuartm: good stuff. :-)

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hashbang:

stuartm: pleased to see a centralised govt subsidised scheme is actually making a real difference.

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stuartm:

hashbang: yeah, I'm not unaware that the money is coming straight off my taxes ;)

[12:47:12]

stuartm:

of course all this means I can't move for rolls of insulation

[12:47:55]

hashbang:

stuartm: as opposed to just being pissed away on "facilitation managers" and the like

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stuartm:

with the winter we're having insulation is just walking off the shelves

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AndyCap:

stuartm: people steal insulation? :P

[12:50:55]

stuartm:

heh

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hashbang:

stuartm: I'm surprised I've used as little as I have done. I'm not sure I've got much in the way of roof insulation as the my ceilings upstairs *are* the roof.

[12:53:14]

stuartm:

this property has solid walls, no cavity wall insulation, no rock wool behind plasterboard, the only place I can insulate is the roof so I'm making sure it's done well

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hashbang:

stuartm: pretty much the same here; part of a converted church

[12:54:35]

stuartm:

well at least your exterior walls should be reasonably thick :)

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hashbang:

yup, built to last. :-)

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justinh:

cavity wall insulation isn't always a good idea anyway

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justinh:

cavities in some older houses are designed to 'breathe' :)

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justinh:

just been to Wilkinson to buy new door handles for our fitted wardrobes. re-covering em with sticky back plastic :D

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justinh:

having done 2 already yesterday though I was starting to wish I'd just got new doors instead

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justinh:

btw here's what I've got mythweb doing for me now: http://imagebin.org/135394

[13:17:23]

justinh:

er try again http://imagebin.org/135395

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stuartm:

it doesn't already do that?

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justinh:

maybe it does with 0.24

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justinh:

nice to be able to see/edit dtv fields though

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stuartm:

ahh, right, maybe it doesn't do those

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stuartm:

justinh: I can't use mythweb to edit that stuff though since the hundreds of channels mean that the form is too big for the default apache config

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stuartm:

or is it the php config ... one of those

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justinh:

I saw no need of having colour/hue/brightness/contrast ;-)

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justinh:

maybe that'd be something for a further enhancement – add a 'type' field to the channel table or something

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justinh:

then have a condition in the php to see if it's analogue/digital & show/edit info accordingly

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justinh:

not even sure why you'd need per-channel adjustments for colour etc – but then in the UK broadcasters were always pretty spot on – so can't speak for other places

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stuartm:

that stuff needs to be re-written to use AJAX, updating the fields as you move from one to the next rather than requiring you to submit then via a 'save' button

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stuartm:

the colour adjustments are really only for NTSC in the US imho, with their crappy colour reproduction etc

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justinh:

heh wouldn't have a clue where to start with that

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justinh:

it's kinda good having to hit SUBMIT though

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justinh:

mind, the one time I tried a framegrabber its rendition of analogue channels was pretty hit & miss

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stuartm:

justinh: well as I noted, the problem with submitting the entire form each time is that it very quickly becomes too large for the allowed POST size

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justinh:

aye

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justinh:

maybe a per-channel submit.. I dunno

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stuartm:

you could use some javascript magic to only submit the changed records I guess

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justinh:

I'm not the web UI guy

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justinh:

though I need to investigate the mobile profile I think.,.. the pages are way too big for my android phone

[13:32:10]

** justinh wonders if there's an easy way to fool mythweb to use a different template **

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justinh:

hmm. user agent changing doesn't seem to do much

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justinh:

huh? can't see which template my phone is getting

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justinh:

doesn't look like the ipod or the lite one

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justinh:

duh. it's using a wap skin, I know that much

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justinh:

on the 1st page with my phone I see the mythtv logo, listings, upcoming recordings, recorded programmes, backend status & a search box. I can't seem to find which template/skin combo does that

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stuartm:

xris: seems I was not wrong in my impression that there were many more micro-breweries opening over here, especially locally – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12317891

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stuartm:

nottingham is just a few miles from here

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justinh:

always a deeper level of understanding required than I'd like.. lol

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justinh:

weird UA string my phone has: "Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 2.1-update1; en-gb; Orange San Francisco Build/ERE27) AppleWebKit/530.17 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile Safari/530.17"

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justinh:

ends up on the WAP profile regardless

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justinh:

ruh? this is weird

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justinh:

changing the template/skin in the settings page from my phone I can use a variety of different ones but I can't reproduce the one I got by default before

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justinh:

oh ha ha ha. and this profile/skin is showing the channel icons full size

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justinh:

hmm default everything seems to look & work best

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justinh:

after all that

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justinh:

God only knows what it was set to do before, but it sucked bigstyle

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justinh:

eew skinning mythweb is harder than I thought

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justinh:

*way* harder

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Gibby:

Having an issue with metadata, think it is a mythbuntu issue, just want to confirm: http://pastebin.com/fXzTtFmx

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

grr skinning mythweb – it seems there's not much you can do without also creating templates. hmph

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Gibby:

fixed it, had to install python-lxml

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** justinh gives up **

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Gibby:

Are there any good waterproof RF remotes that work with an FE?

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justinh:

no idea

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justinh:

but I doubt it

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justinh:

the waterproof bit makes it difficult

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Gibby:

hmmmm definitely need a remote that can get wet.....

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justinh:

why? got a new addition in your family? ;-)

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justinh:

I've only ever seen waterproof remotes for the likes of bathroom TVs.. and they come with the TVs

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justinh:

and they're not RF

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justinh:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=waterproof+rf+remote

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justinh:

!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Gibby:

lol ouch http://cgi.ebay.com/RTI-U2-Waterproof-Remote- . . . em3cb3ead37d

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justinh:

not sure I'd be willing to drop $150 on a remote

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Gibby:

that is $350 lol

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justinh:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web . . . &cad=rja

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justinh:

er http://www.smarthome.com/59700/Balboa-Dolphin . . . enter/p.aspx

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Gibby:

more the FE costs lol, wondering if I could take my regular remotes I use and just vacuum seal it

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justinh:

you can buy watertight bags for phones & junk

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justinh:

I'm guessing you don't need it to withstand diving ;-)

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Gibby:

hmm, still would probably need RF tho

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Gibby:

my goal it to hook my FE upto a HDMI switcher, to the TV in the den, and to a waterproof TV at the hottub but the IR wouldn't work but the hottub is with in 10' of the FE, that would eliminate getting a whole other FE just for outside

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justinh:

if I ever get round to building a TV into my bathroom I'll be making a touch control panel

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justinh:

you can get whizzo gadgets to extend conventional IR over RF

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Gibby:

yeah that would work, but hoping to use this as the "outdoor" stereo to so having the outside/waterproof remote be able to move would be nice

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JEDIDIAH__:

...and here I thought we were oppulent for having a myth dedicated to the workout room. '-)

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JEDIDIAH__:

if your guests aren't uptight about battery operated devices in the bath, just buy extras. (of the remote)

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justinh:

or just have your maid change channels etc for you!

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Gibby:

the wife wouldn't be happy getting out of the hot tub to change my channels ............ :)

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JEDIDIAH__:

"Alfred, change the channel to Cinemax"

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justinh:

voice control!

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stuartm:

the problem with voice control, at least for me, is that it's so much faster to just push a button

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

get a harmony remote then ;-)

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justinh:

"This application runs on the Google Android platform and enables MythTV users to interact with there MythTV server from there android phone."

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justinh:

THERE. ROFL

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hashbang:

justinh: mythmote?

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justinh:

http://q2box.com/projects/androidmythweb/

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hashbang:

hmmm... kludgetastic

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justinh:

I think I'm gonna end up making a new template etc

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hashbang:

I think I'd rather have the MythBackend port open in some way, then an open mythweb/PHP...

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justinh:

just fwd it over ssh

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justinh:

build ssh client into yer app.. badabing :)

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justinh:

no idea where to get started with templates in mythweb though

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GreyFoxx:

the backend has NO concept for security nor logins

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GreyFoxx:

at least withg mythweb you can put an htaccess file or something in front

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justinh:

ugh. you can't just add dirs as templates

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justinh:

all the chooser stuff is hard coded. understandable, I suppose

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justinh:

maybe I'll just edit the 'lite' template to suit my needs. some graphics rather than none

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stuartm:

justinh: not understandable at all, templates shouldn't be hardcoded

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justinh:

yeh but it's a whole can of worms I don't want to delve into ;-)

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justinh:

dunno how much mythweb changed in 0.24. I'll find out eventually

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justinh:

that's the other thing – bugger all point busting my guts making a nice template for droidish phones – for a previous version ;)

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appamatto:

I didn't realize that cable companies provide DVRs for low monthly rates

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justinh:

oh yeah here's a patch for a new template. I ripped out all the hardcoded template stuff & added autodetection. not very invasive at all :P

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justinh:

I think it are hometime

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Gibby:

doesn't look like androidmythweb has been updated for awhile and no download available

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appamatto:

mythmote has been pretty good so far

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wagnerrp:

androidmethweb?

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wagnerrp:

i didnt know someone forked mythweb specifically for use on the android

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skd5aner:

yay – my dual monitor KVM is back from RMA and reinstalled... I'm complete again

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** skd5aner knocks on wood **

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appamatto:

wow, dual monitor KVM

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appamatto:

Are good antenas generally required for digital broadcast?

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wagnerrp:

that depends

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appamatto:

I didn't realize digital broadcast existed

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appamatto:

If I had an antenna, would I plug it into my ATSC input or my digital cable input?

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wagnerrp:

youre one of those people who managed to miss all of those incessant ads two years ago when we made the transition?

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appamatto:

wagnerrp, how funny! I got those in Japan, where they are doing tons of ads now about it

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wagnerrp:

ive still got recordings with a ticker on the bottom warning of the switch over

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appamatto:

Does that mean there are no longer analog broadcasts?

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wagnerrp:

if you have separate ATSC and digital cable inputs

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wagnerrp:

the the digital cable input will before QAM modulation, not 8-VSB (that ATSC uses)

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wagnerrp:

be for

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wagnerrp:

there are analog broadcasts

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wagnerrp:

but they are limited to low power and nighttime stations

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wagnerrp:

nothing is going to use those but independent stations

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appamatto:

Oh whoops, I actually have an analog cable tv input and then a ATSC/digital cable thing

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appamatto:

My channel scan returned a bazillion channels that aren't actually available

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appamatto:

That's why I'm using the analog cable

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sphery:

appamatto: if you're in North America, you shouldn't be scanning for analog channels.

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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appamatto:

sphery, oh, sorry, I was referring to my digital cable

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sphery:

ahhh, ok

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sphery:

yeah, you need to scan for digital channels

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appamatto:

It detected a huge number of channels

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sphery:

if it's returning ones that aren't available you may need to tell it to detect unencrypted channels only

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sphery:

or they may just have a mess on their cable lines

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appamatto:

yeah, I did detect unencrypted channels

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wagnerrp:

sphery: that happens, you get all the unusable on-demand channels

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appamatto:

I wonder if it's better to just manually find each channel from the cable list or something

[17:23:36]

sphery:

appamatto: could do that, but after a scan--i.e. clean up the garbage it gives you

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appamatto:

So I suppose it's not possible to use both an antenna and my cable in the same tuner

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sphery:

manually adding digital channels isn't really supported

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wagnerrp:

only if your tuner has separate inputs for both

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appamatto:

since they both use the digital jack

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sphery:

though you might be able to manually type in the basics using the channel editor, then scan to get the rest.

[17:24:22]

sphery:

I wouldn't recommend the approach, though

[17:24:45]

sphery:

would be tedious for more than a few channels (even for the few OTA channels I get, I wouldn't want to try it)

[17:25:14]

sphery:

appamatto: but on the bright side, ATSC/QAM capture cards are relatively cheap!

[17:26:03]

appamatto:

Well, I bought my HVR-1600 for $70

[17:26:20]

appamatto:

or was it $50?

[17:26:21]

sphery:

(much cheaper than trying to get some device to properly stick ota channels into unused frequencies on the cable signal)

[17:26:22]

wagnerrp:

no reason to buy a -1600 unless you plan to record analog

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sphery:

right--get a 1250 or something

[17:26:47]

sphery:

(but make sure you get a tuner that uses the right bus--1250 is PCIe)

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appamatto:

Now they tell me :p

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appamatto:

Don't think PCIe will work for me because I have a graphics card in there

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dserban:

humm, I lost a card overnight, locked up .. i'm starting to feel like I have to replace the mobo .. yet again ugh ugh ugh

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ComradeHaz`:

Hi al, what are the windows remote controls refered to as in the options menus?

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dserban:

or maybe I should install windows

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wagnerrp:

windows remote controls?

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sphery:

ComradeHaz`: there is no options menu with a list of remote controls in MythTV

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sphery:

ComradeHaz`: so I think you need to ask users of your distro how your distro set up their configuration tools

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appamatto:

Hopefully the driver for QAM will have better luck with captions than my analog driver did

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sphery:

appamatto: fwiw, there's some little tiny settings mistake that causes analog captions to stop working. I don't know what it was--I tried several things and didn't see it become fixed, but I think it got fixed by one of the changes when I next restarted everything (all backends and frontends)

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sphery:

appamatto: I'm leaning toward TV format setting (must be NTSC)

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appamatto:

sphery, hmm, I'll try that

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sphery:

(unless it's PAL)

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appamatto:

I didn't restart

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appamatto:

methinks I should try the ATSC channels anyway

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sphery:

appamatto: or possibly VBI format — must be NTSC Closed Caption

[17:36:20]

sphery:

both are in mythtv-setup in General settings, IIRC

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sphery:

and after changing, try restarting everything

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sphery:

and ATSC (EIA-708) captions will work regardless of whether NTSC (EIA-608) captions are properly configured

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ComradeHaz`:

thanks sphery

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** wagnerrp debates rewriting this commflag wrapper in python **

[17:38:03]

sphery:

commflag wrapper?

[17:38:07]

sphery:

what does it do?

[17:38:15]

sphery:

(that must be the one with the long thread on the list, though, right?)

[17:38:33]

sphery:

I just can't imagine why you'd need to wrap mythcommflag in any script

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wagnerrp:

it does an excessive amount of bash mysql calls... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythcommflag-wrapper

[17:38:57]

wagnerrp:

the idea is to actually wrap multiple programs, including mythcommflag

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sphery:

no, I mean why have a script

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appamatto:

sphery, thanks for the help :p

[17:39:10]

wagnerrp:

and switch between them depending on the channel

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sphery:

"silence detection for commflagging"?

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sphery:

i.e. it just filters the output?

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sphery:

mythcommflag > /dev/null 2>&1

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wagnerrp:

it runs an mp3 tool meant to clip songs off a cd, if theyre ripped as a single file

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wagnerrp:

it uses the output to find long silences

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wagnerrp:

and marks them as cutpoints

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wagnerrp:

transition between show and commercial

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sphery:

ummm... yeah, bash is the right way to do that

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sphery:

no way it should /ever/ be done as a proper mythcommflag detection algorithm

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i said c++ was the right way to do it, but... meh

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sphery:

yeah, just that users keep saying, "'we' should make it so mythcommflag uses silence to detect commercials" and Captain_Murdoch says, "All works fine for me, and I have plenty of other stuff that's more important to me," and then none of the users who propose the idea actually follow his instructions on how to write it

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wagnerrp:

this line concerns me a bit... 'ffmpeg -i $filename -acodec copy sound.mp3'

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sphery:

so, all I can imagine is that "we" means "you"

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wagnerrp:

sphery: is that from an older thread?

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sphery:

many, many older threads

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wagnerrp:

wait, its adding as a cutlist, not a skiplist

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sphery:

heh

[17:46:36]

wagnerrp:

because there is no '--setskiplist' call for mythcommflag

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wagnerrp:

http://globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/u . . . le-homer.gif

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wagnerrp:

ffmpeg has presets?

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wagnerrp:

'On a dual-core 2.5Ghz I get about 14FPS using ffmpeg with the high-quality preset'

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JEDIDIAH__:

yup

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appamatto:

hmm, may be off topic, but any recommended antennas for ATSC?

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JEDIDIAH__:

jedi@nomad:~/.ffmpeg$ ls

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JEDIDIAH__:

libx264-baseline.ffpreset libx264-lossless_fast.ffpreset

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wagnerrp:

you know, ive never actually used lossless h264

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wagnerrp:

i wonder how it compares to mpng or huffman

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JEDIDIAH__:

I haven't tried it either. that's just what was in the first line of output.

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wagnerrp:

seems its slightly better compression than huffyuv, and mpng is pretty mediocre

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wagnerrp:

but huffman beats the pants off everything in terms of speed

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wagnerrp:

14fps on the libx264-hq preset at 3mbps isnt bad at all

[18:09:11]

wagnerrp:

i was doing similar settings at 5mbps on a similar CPU years ago, yielding 2–3fps

[18:09:37]

wagnerrp:

i wonder if x264 has improved that much, or if that was inefficiency induced by my use of a frameserver

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wagnerrp:

sphery: is there no way to 'cut to end' with the --setcutlist?

[18:14:45]

sphery:

wow, sony sent a DMCA takedown request to github for several PS3 hacking projects

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sphery:

wagnerrp: haven't looked

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wagnerrp:

several? or just geohots?

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JEDIDIAH__:

the more you change stuff, the harder it gets to tell really.

[18:15:07]

sphery:

https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/20 . . . ony.markdown

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JEDIDIAH__:

that was kind of inevitable.

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JEDIDIAH__:

futile but inevitable.

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sphery:

yeah, just surprised--since they've been there for a long time

[18:16:00]

JEDIDIAH__:

new year, new fiscal year, change in management...

[18:16:08]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: still catching up on commits (I'm only to Dec 21 now :/)... http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/20 . . . /076631.html – I'm not great at interpretting python commits like that, I'll trust that in cases similiar to that I could just leave the judgement of what should go into the release notes for python?

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: i would just leave it out as an otherwise undocumented feature until i actually do something with it

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skd5aner:

NP – but, the rub is I can only go by what I see – I can't predict the future ;)

[18:17:18]

wagnerrp:

it allows you to generate output from your recordings or mythvideo content that complies with the generic metadata format

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sphery:

psgroove was one of them--and it was the good (not evil/not-for-stealing) version of psjailbreak

[18:17:35]

wagnerrp:

but, it doesnt allow exporting and importing recordings at this time

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: oh, re-read what I typed... it should have said "leave the judgement to you of what should go..."

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skd5aner:

:)

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** wagnerrp is confused as to what skd5aner wants from him **

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kormoc:

Money... In unmarked $100 bills

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skd5aner:

no, $20s... less suspicious

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: np, I was just saying that for most python commits, it's probably better for you to manage what should/shouldn't go into the release notes

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: you understand the intent/technical jargon of what you're accomplishing way better than I can

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skd5aner:

:)

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: just didn't want you to look at the notes in a few months and be like "why are there no python related line items here?" – it's because I'm too python/binding ignorant to interpret what's relavent to an end-user (who would leverage the bindings in some fashion) and what's not :)

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qwerty__:

Whats the lowest end video card I can get away with for sd tv?

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wagnerrp:

anything that supports Xv

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Azelphur:

anything, lol

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Azelphur:

qwerty__: My netbook with integrated intel, can do it, and I had a PC with a 6600GT that could do it.

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qwerty__:

256meg 8400?

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wagnerrp:

if youre buying new, get a 512MB 8400

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wagnerrp:

should be able to find one for <$30

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Azelphur:

I got a used 9600GT off my buddy for $16 when he upgraded

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Azelphur:

does great for myth :D

[18:30:08]

wagnerrp:

anything 8 or 9 series nvidia will do fine

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wagnerrp:

512MB and fanless would be preferred

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qwerty__:

I have a 430gt with 2 gigs of ram on it, hdmi dvg and dvi, but can't get it to output to sd.

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wagnerrp:

no, none of the GT line have analog television outputs

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wagnerrp:

but i dont know why anyone would ever put 2GB of memory on a 430

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qwerty__:

I've tried a converter to s-video, I could barely make out the shapes on the screen.

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qwerty__:

Why not?

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wagnerrp:

because a 430 isnt going to be playing games at high enough resolution to actually use that much texture memory

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sphery:

because more is better--regardless of all real-world considerations

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wagnerrp:

seems cards with analog TV output are becoming specialty items

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wagnerrp:

nothing on newegg significantly lower than $40

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azertyu:

where are you living ? wagnerrp

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** wagnerrp types this on a $25 fanless 8400 with analog tv outputs from 2 years ago **

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Gibby:

With the built in meta grabber is there a way to exclude certain number sequences like you could in jamu?

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wagnerrp:

azertyu: somewhere that newegg sells to

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wagnerrp:

Gibby: the metadata grabber runs off the title/subtitle/season/episode information in the database

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wagnerrp:

which is originally pulled from the file scanner

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wagnerrp:

if you want to use it, either name your files compliant to the scanner, or alter the stored information prior to pulling metadata

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Gibby:

well it is hard to alter James Bond 007 lol

[18:39:10]

Gibby:

in the filename i mean, i know how to go and change the season and episode on the FE

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wagnerrp:

yeah, there is no good handling of that series

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wagnerrp:

Gibby: while one sql call before the metadata grab, and another after, would let you use your own naming scheme to have those show up in proper numerical order, i am loathe to suggest anyone do direct db edits

[18:44:38]

wagnerrp:

the other options would just be to put them all into a 'Bond' subfolder

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wagnerrp:

but then they still wouldnt be numbered

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** skd5aner REALLY wishes there were some newer GT cards with component out :( **

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azertyu:

well

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azertyu:

hi ppl

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Gibby:

I will just clear the season/episode in the FE, its not like they come out daily lol

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azertyu:

i receive live tv from web what mythtv can help me .?

[18:45:58]

wagnerrp:

yeah, its something you only have to deal with once

[18:46:15]

wagnerrp:

azertyu: if you are referring to FreeBox, mythtv supports that directly with its IPTV recorder

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azertyu:

are you french ?

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wagnerrp:

no

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Beirdo:

moi non plus

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azertyu:

hi you Beirdo, well what you say when you " mythtv supports that directly with its IPTV recorder" ?

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Beirdo:

we have support for FreeBox in there

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Beirdo:

of course, I can't test it from Seattle :)

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swerve:

hi all – I keep getting an "Error opening jump program file" when switching channels – anyone familiar with this?

[18:52:17]

swerve:

i'm switching to known channels, not sure what the problem is

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** sphery is trac-spamming, again **

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sphery:

swerve: nearly everyone using Live TV in 0.24 is familiar with it

[18:56:00]

sphery:

known issue, potentially fixed in unstable, will be backported when stable

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Beirdo:

ooooh. 2 more days before there are no more IPv4 /8 to hand out to registrars

[18:56:11]

swerve:

there used to be a "stream from backend" option – is that related? I don't see it anymore

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sphery:

(or if not fixed, will be fixed in unstable, then tested until stable, then backported)

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gizmobay:

What p number do I use to apply a patch?

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sphery:

meaning right now you have 2 options: 1) wait patiently and hope it's fixed soon, or 2) don't use Live TV (and use MythTV right :)

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swerve:

it was more sporadic, but now it seems to be almost constant

[18:57:28]

sphery:

Beirdo: The IPocalypse is upon us!!!!

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swerve:

running debian unstable version, will have to wait, thx

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Beirdo:

seems like :)

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sphery:

Repent! Repent!

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gizmobay:

-p0 -p1 -p2?

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swerve:

one other new issue – can't find the solution

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Beirdo:

and he.net's miami router's not working right, so my linode's tunnel came down.

[18:58:08]

wagnerrp:

sphery: does that come before or after the exaflood?

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Beirdo:

gizmobay: look at the path in the patch file

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sphery:

swerve: when I say "unstable", I mean MythTV development, which is probably not the same as Debian unstable

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sphery:

so, perhaps I should say, "development," instead

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Beirdo:

then see how many levels to remove to make it match your directory structure

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swerve:

up arrow to scroll thru channels now starts at beginning instead of current channel – any setting for that?

[18:58:58]

azertyu:

support for freebox means, i get confused little bit

[18:58:59]

swerve:

sphery: yeah, i meant as soon as it gets to debian

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azertyu:

???

[18:59:19]

sphery:

wagnerrp: perhaps the exaflood is a part of the IPocalypse

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wagnerrp:

azertyu: are you using freebox as your iptv provider?

[18:59:33]

azertyu:

yes

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wagnerrp:

then you can use mythtv to access it using the iptv recorder

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azertyu:

i using ubuntu pc

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swerve:

*background live tv addict

[19:00:23]

azertyu:

what i have to do ? give me first 10 steps

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wagnerrp:

step 1. read the documentation

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azertyu:

read not helping me very well

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sphery:

swerve: the channel browsing issue is another (of the many) known Live TV issues

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wagnerrp:

none of us live in france, nor do we have access to freebox

[19:01:21]

sphery:

swerve: again, *best* solution is to never use Live TV :)

[19:01:26]

wagnerrp:

so we have no experience on how to set it up

[19:01:31]

wagnerrp:

we just know its supposed to work

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sphery:

you can use your MythTV Digital Video *Recorder* as if it were a recorder!

[19:02:13]

swerve:

i'm addicted, sorry

[19:02:18]

azertyu:

reading documentation without knowing what is for, it is not the best i think ? wagnerrp

[19:02:24]

swerve:

is there a 12-step mythtv program :D

[19:02:26]

sphery:

swerve: My "No Live TV" manifesto: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/387302#387302

[19:02:32]

sphery:

Dead TV FTW!

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gizmobay:

--- libs/libmythtv/dbchannelinfo.cpp (revision 27353)

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swerve:

recording instead of live tv would interfere with my ADD too much :D

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sphery:

heh

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azertyu:

then how you about freebox ? wagnerrp

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azertyu:

know

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gizmobay:

I assume you put the patch file in the mythtv directory

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wagnerrp:

azertyu: because the IPTV tuner in mythtv was written specifically to support freebox

[19:06:43]

sphery:

swerve: maybe you just need to record a ton of shows and then use JUMPREC to "recording surf"

[19:08:05]

azertyu:

my question is very simple, what mythtv can help me with freebox ? is it for streaming purpose, recording or what else ?

[19:08:36]

wagnerrp:

mythtv is a dvr, it will record off freebox, and let you play back at a later time

[19:10:04]

azertyu:

how many channel at time ?

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wagnerrp:

however many freebox will normally let you stream

[19:11:57]

azertyu:

how many simultaneous recording can i do ?

[19:12:15]

wagnerrp:

however many freebox will normally let you stream

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azertyu:

why you talk about streaming ?

[19:13:17]

wagnerrp:

because you stream video through freebox

[19:13:23]

wagnerrp:

its streams through your internet connection

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JEDIDIAH__:

never say never

[19:13:48]

wagnerrp:

meaning either the freebox service artificially limits you to a certain number of streams

[19:14:03]

azertyu:

be simple, you say mythtv is a dvr

[19:14:03]

wagnerrp:

or you are physically limited by the amount of downstream bandwidth you have

[19:14:11]

wagnerrp:

mythtv has control over neither of these

[19:14:15]

azertyu:

my question is how many simultaneous recording can i do ?

[19:14:38]

wagnerrp:

you can record however many simultaneous recordings as freebox allows you

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azertyu:

i got more than 800 channels, can i record all 800 channels at time using mythtv ?

[19:15:29]

kormoc:

azertyu, if your hardware supports it, yes

[19:15:34]

kormoc:

azertyu, we have no limits

[19:15:43]

Beirdo:

OMG, that would be cool

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Beirdo:

heh

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skd5aner:

hmmm – an app that identifies TV episodes by sound – http://mashable.com/2011/01/31/intonow/?utm_s . . . #8649Netflix

[19:16:40]

sphery:

since vontrapp found it too much trouble to type /join #mythtv-users, I can't tell him he can do what he wants by just getting a proper MythtV system

[19:16:49]

skd5aner:

That's be an interesting concept for getting metadata :)

[19:16:54]

azertyu:

is there an web based mythtv application ?

[19:17:00]

sphery:

i.e. 2TB HDD = $69.99, so why do you have a max recordings setting enabled

[19:17:10]

sphery:

when you're trying to watch a show from the start

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sphery:

ok, I'm mentioning it in #mythtv, anyway

[19:18:35]

skd5aner:

http://www.intonow.com/ci

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: it would be great to be able to hook into that for reclassifying/renaming shows

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: youtube has had a system like that for years

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Beirdo:

that is intriguing though

[19:20:25]

skd5aner:

I always thought it woudl be cool if you could voiceprint commercials, then have a database of those commercials, and use it as a way to do comm skip

[19:20:26]

azertyu:

interesting is there any path between mythtv and youtube to record on put the video on youtube automatically ?

[19:20:53]

wagnerrp:

azertyu: putting mythtv recordings onto youtube would be a copyright violation

[19:21:00]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: yea, too bad no API or anything – just their closed app

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Beirdo:

they have an API

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skd5aner:

ah, ytes they do

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Beirdo:

just not publicaly posted

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skd5aner:

I see now

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skd5aner:

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Beirdo:

yup

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skd5aner:

it'd be a cool way to do automatic meta data retrival rather than a schedule jamu job

[19:22:39]

azertyu:

frankly saying i can't understand the presence of 200 ppl here to restricted box ? what 's the use if everything is restricted ?

[19:22:41]

Beirdo:

it would be cool to have that as a "double-check what we actually recorded" check :)

[19:23:07]

wagnerrp:

azertyu: i dont see how mythtv is being restrictive

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skd5aner:

azertyu: what's restricted? We're just trying to follow the law and TOS of sites like youtube

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Beirdo:

"hey, this isn't the show you asked for, rescheduling"

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skd5aner:

azertyu: why would the developers spend time programming features that are illegal and / or not permitted?

[19:24:00]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: yea, for things that may run over – very good idea too

[19:24:21]

Beirdo:

skd5aner: and the channel change failures

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, he wants to automatically upload recordings to youtube and because no one wrote such a thing (nor would we support it), we're a restrictive application

[19:25:02]

Beirdo:

I got some lame crap instead of White Collar this past week... caught it soon enough to delete/rerecord though

[19:25:23]

wagnerrp:

i dont understand why you would ever want to automatically upload recordings to low quality, low resolution youtube

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Beirdo:

only to have Google remove them

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: lots of possibilities, but who knows if they'd target open source as an API adopter?

[19:25:53]

wagnerrp:

automatically, with their soundprinting software

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Beirdo:

true. One would have to ask

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Beirdo:

and it's only for US residents

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stuartm:

azertyu: you're aware that such actions would be illegal right? So you're asking the MythTV developers to help you commit a crime?

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: but its coming from IPTV, its coming from the internet, the internet is its home, hes only trying to help the video get back home

[19:29:12]

azertyu:

try to convince me, what could bring me mythtv? why register?

[19:29:27]

azertyu:

recording for purpose ?

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wagnerrp:

why register what? mythtv is free to use

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azertyu:

sorry no register

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jcarlos:

Is it possible to set all the videos in one directory with a specific access level ???

[19:29:56]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you just gave me a Happy Gilmour flashback

[19:29:58]

azertyu:

recording for what ?

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wagnerrp:

recording for later playback, like every single other DVR hardware or software

[19:30:04]

azertyu:

for what purpose ?

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sphery:

IPTV phone home!

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kormoc:

azertyu, you should read our site. mythtv.org it has a lot about the application

[19:30:25]

azertyu:

for me recording is for sharing with others

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kormoc:

azertyu, and in short, we use it because it fits our needs. It might not fit yours and we're not going to try to talk you into using it

[19:30:40]

kormoc:

azertyu, then mythtv is not for you

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wagnerrp:

azertyu: which is illegal

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sphery:

MythTV is for legal recording of TV for fair use.

[19:31:13]

sphery:

not for recording for the purpose of illegal distribution

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stuartm:

azertyu: you never owned a VCR, recorded programmes when you weren't home?

[19:31:39]

azertyu:

yes but it was a time

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FabriceMG:

sasc is legal decoder

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azertyu:

no time now

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azertyu:

ok it is not for me

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Beirdo:

FabriceMG: not on this channel, it is not

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wagnerrp:

FabriceMG: there is nothing intrinsically illegal about sasc

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azertyu:

it doesn't fit my need to BE IN SORT

[19:32:24]

stuartm:

is there a full moon tonight?

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kormoc:

BE IN SORT?

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azertyu:

bye bye

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wagnerrp:

but the vast use of it is for illegally accessing satellite broadcasts

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wagnerrp:

in that manner, it is very little different from bittorrent

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azertyu:

best of luck developers

[19:32:57]

wagnerrp:

it can be used for good, but it usually isnt, so we dont support it

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wagnerrp:

end of story

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Beirdo:

!parrot

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** MythLogBot looks around the channel for parrots for Beirdo to smack. **

[19:33:06]

azertyu:

developing something not very helpfull

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azertyu:

bye

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kormoc:

azertyu, you don't need to keep talking if you're leaving

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sphery:

kormoc: worse, we're approaching the New Moon on Feb 2

[19:33:38]

azertyu:

yeah correct

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azertyu:

leaving

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sphery:

so these are dark werewolves, it seems

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qwerty__:

What is sasc?

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sphery:

oh, wait, New Moon's werefolves are just teen wannabes

[19:34:29]

wagnerrp:

qwerty__: a tool commonly used to illegally access encrypted satellite systems

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wagnerrp:

an dis-allowed topic for this channel

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sphery:

"developing something not very helpfull"... Stop all coding! From this point forward, all coding from all software developers in the world must be focused on coding features to enable thieves!

[19:35:41]

stuartm:

qwerty__: softcam, decrypting encrypted television broadcasts without requiring the necessary cards or hardware

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FabriceMG:

jamu use and broadcast illegal picture of movie without owner authorization

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o stuartm

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sphery:

or for the purpose of sharing a single card multiple times (which allows circumvention of--at minimum--Terms of Service, and potentially copright/access control/...)

[19:36:50]

stuartm:

wtf, since when have I not had the perms to kickban someone :?

[19:36:56]

sphery:

FabriceMG: this is not the place to argue it. Please continue your argument on #lawyers or something. Otherwise, you'll be kicked.

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sphery:

stuartm: hmmm... this channel hasn't changed. Wonder if that may have been due to cloaks?

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stuartm:

oh right, they changed the command when they changed the server software

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sphery:

oh, whew!

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FabriceMG:

sphery, cool

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stuartm:

just need to remind myself what the new command is

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sphery:

I'd help, but I'm doing good just to get the /join part of IRC right

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stuartm:

/msg ChanServ AKICK <#channel> ADD|DEL|LIST <nickname|hostmask> https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/reason

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Gibby:

anyway to Reset Details for anything that doesn't have metadata?

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lukeer:

Well, why not discuss something completly different? For instance: When in Live-TV, I press "Y" to change to composite. The screen goes completely black, which I think it should (There's nothing connected to composite right now). But pressing "Y" again doesn't affect anything. Nor does "ESC", which I would expect to return to the main menu.

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: ping?

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iamlindoro:

pongish, at work and busy but here

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: np, quick question (if you have the time) – http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/20 . . . /076662.html libxml2, new req? what uses it? (now that configure checks for it)

[19:54:39]

iamlindoro:

optional, used by libmythbluray to parse disc metadata

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lukeer:

My solution usually is going to the console with Ctrl+Alt+F1 and then reboot. But I would rather use composite input.

[19:54:50]

iamlindoro:

if not installed, libmythbluray will return empty disc metadata

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skd5aner:

ok, I may include it in the pre-reqs part of the release notes then – thanks!

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iamlindoro:

semi-req, anyway

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skd5aner:

yea, I'll put as optional

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: sorry, one last Q – is there a min. version required?

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skd5aner:

if (LIBXML_VERSION > 20600)

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skd5aner:

I guess 20600 is the version it returns?

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iamlindoro:

2.6

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skd5aner:

k, thanks

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iamlindoro:

20600 is how it is in code, but 2.6 in packages versions

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iamlindoro:

er packaged

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iamlindoro:

so use 2.6 only to avoid confusion

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: did you see Nigel's comment about the configure changes breaking the detection on OSX?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, I saw but have no means of investigating easily

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iamlindoro:

We presume pkg-config exists all over configure-- if that's broken by not having, so is a shedload of other stuff

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lukeer:

mythbackend.log reveals 3 errors, 1st: "DVBChan(2:/dvbCardPath) Warning: Your frequency setting (10743750) is out of range." What frequency would composite have normally and where can I set it?

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stuartm:

ok, that's fine by me, I also broke the OSX build and wasn't in a position to fix :)

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lukeer:

2nd: "Channel(/dev/video0) Error: GetCurrentChannelNum(1): Failed to find Channel

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iamlindoro:

stuartm: Also wasn't in a super rush to fix it since it's non-essential functionality that we're not even using yet

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FabriceMG:

for 1 expert of mythtranscode , i have this error terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' what(): std::bad_alloc , What is this error?

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iamlindoro:

The only thing that it would affect is code I haven't even committed yet :)

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lukeer:

and 3rd: "Channel(/dev/video0)::TuneTo(1): Error, failed to find channel.

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Baylink:

So I have a new Hitachi 2TB on a SIL 3114 controller, and playback from that drive is very choppy; if I move a recorded program to a different drive, the program plays fine. The Hitachi is the only drive on the controller — the mobo wouldn't find it cause it's too big. Anyone else got that controller and it works for you?

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sphery:

Baylink: mis-formatted?

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Baylink:

This is a drive on which I had a major XFS breakdown; that's now been fixed (I think; xfs_repair no longer complains about anything), but we didn't see the problem beforehand.

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sphery:

Baylink: er, mis-partitioned

[20:09:12]

Baylink:

Probably not.

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Baylink:

One Big XFS filesystem, as all my video drives have been lately.

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sphery:

Baylink: if it's a 4kiB-sector-size drive, it may still report a 512B sector size

[20:09:45]

Baylink:

dchillen helped me fix it after the mobo was dropping one bit in that slot.

[20:09:46]

sphery:

my Samsung F4 does that

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sphery:

had to override the smarts of fdisk

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Baylink:

Wasn't reformatted between Works and Doesn't Work.

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sphery:

ahhh

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Baylink:

Or repartitioned, or re-mkfs'ed

[20:10:12]

Baylink:

Just the repair work.

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Baylink:

And we haven't the space to copy all off.

[20:11:20]

Baylink:

The original failure appears to have been a solder joint opening up on a data line under the SATA card's PCI socket.

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jcarlos:

Can someone tell me why when I set the access level of a video the info is not saved ???

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lukeer:

I already deleted all tuner cards in mythbackendsetup (using the "Delete all cards" menu entry) and re-created DVB-S and Composite and connected them again. DVB works well, composite doesn't. Could you point me a direction to start looking for the error?

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kisak:

hello, I'm a gentoo user who updated to 0.24-fixes branch last night

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kisak:

what do I need to do to be able to get to the bluray menu items in the frontend

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wagnerrp:

bluray menu items?

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wagnerrp:

you mean like the on-disk menus?

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kisak:

wagnerrp: isn't there a menu option simular to "Play DVD"

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wagnerrp:

yes, play dvd

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kisak:

so if "Play DVD" doesn't start to play the bluray disc, it means that mythtv can't read that disc (yet)?

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wagnerrp:

then either you havent installed the necessary libraries, or configured the necessary keys, or the disk is BD+ and youre out of luck

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kisak:

what keys do I need to configure?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: do we have a url for that page?

[20:17:18]

kisak:

libbluray and aacs are in place

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Beirdo:

the keymap? I don't think so

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sphery:

stuartm: FWIW, your discussion of why the current MedaiMonitor callback approach doesn't work pretty much sums up the annoyances that caused me to just disable MediaMonitor. Turns out you knew, better than me, why I disabled it. :)

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Baylink:

Beirdo: decryption keys, silly.

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/High_Definition_Disk_F . . . commended.29

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wagnerrp:

see the mention about a KEYDB.cfg

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Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

I have no idea :) sorry

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kisak:

ok, I'll chew on that

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Baylink:

He did mean keyboard keys? My bad.

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wagnerrp:

Baylink: no, aacs keys

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Baylink:

Ok, so that's what I thought you mean.

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Baylink:

(t)

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wagnerrp:

the library we use cannot pull them straight off the disk

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wagnerrp:

you need to supply them yourself

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kisak:

on another note, one of my frontends has analog surround sound (7.1), and it appears that anything greater than stereo causes stuttering

[20:22:31]

Steve_Goodey:

iamlindoro: Your Alan Parsons Project crack on the mythtv users mailing list made me laugh out loud, thanks.

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FabriceMG:

Beirdo, new code on Livetv? all backend recording correctly, but impossible to play livetv on all frontend! I have 0.24 fixe last update ubuntu

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iamlindoro:

He didn't seem to find it very funny ;)

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kisak:

my audio chipset is a realtek alc850 / nvidia CK804

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: I couldn't help but chuckle at that one too :)

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justinh:

muhahaha. now all I wanna do is tweak that new commflagging script to nix the sponsor messages & I'm laughing

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: to him, its probably like being named Michael Bolten

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wagnerrp:

it was great name until junior high when some a**clown started making music

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iamlindoro:

It was a good name until he was about 12 years old and that no talent a clown wrote the soundtrack to Ladyhawke

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Beirdo:

thanks for the reminder... Office Space (Special Edition with Flair) BluRay back in stock at Amazon. Yoink.

[20:30:14]

wagnerrp:

with flair? do you get pins or something?

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Beirdo:

not sure :) extra features, I guess

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kisak:

so my surround sound is plagued by about 8 "ALSA, Error: WriteAudio: buffer underrun" per second with 5.1 audio

[20:31:06]

Beirdo:

it was out of stock over Christmas

[20:31:17]

sphery:

Beirdo: heh, that's been on my wishlist for ages (no reason I haven't bought it other than the guilt I would feel for buying new content even with the backlog of recordings I have)

[20:31:37]

Beirdo:

$10.99 and Prime-eligible

[20:32:05]

wagnerrp:

now if you just had cable, you could watch it about once a month on comedy central

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

anyways, lunch

[20:33:43]

sphery:

Beirdo: 10.99? It's showing as $13.99 to me

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sphery:

ah, blu-ray is cheaper

[20:34:40]

sphery:

funny

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kisak:

there is no keydb.cfg on the frontend

[20:39:46]

wagnerrp:

correct, you have to make one

[20:39:46]

kisak:

and the links to those forum postings to help setup aacs are timing out

[20:39:46]

jcarlos:

Can someone tell me why when I set the access level of a video the info is aparently saved but whe I leave the video manager menu and enter again the info is reseted ???

[20:40:47]

justinh:

kisak: be nice if all forums timed out all the time

[20:41:13]

** justinh wonders what keydb.cfg would be used for, if not something dodgy **

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wagnerrp:

justinh: for storing aacs keys for bluray playback

[20:41:35]

justinh:

ah bluray stuff. never mind

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AndyCap:

justinh: you were right, something dodgy

[20:44:44]

** skd5aner rejoices! **

[20:44:53]

justinh:

they shoulda called the file 'fluffypuppies.cfg'. much less suspicious

[20:44:53]

skd5aner:

I'm done with all 2010 commits

[20:44:57]

skd5aner:

now on to 2011

[20:45:11]

wagnerrp:

its only one more commit, you can do it

[20:47:27]

skd5aner:

sigh, 31 more days of commits and trac tickets to go through

[20:47:34]

skd5aner:

I think I'll catch up by April

[20:49:45]

justinh:

hrm "mythcommflag failed; returned 139"

[20:49:50]

sphery:

and if you procrastinate 'til tomorrow, it will be 32 days...

[20:50:02]

** justinh goes in the source to find out what 139 means **

[20:51:36]

sphery:

are you following the thread on -users where they're talking about problems with some mythcommflag wrapper script thing

[20:52:16]

justinh:

no not yet

[20:52:27]

justinh:

I just ran what the script dumped in its output & it worked fine

[20:52:29]

wagnerrp:

justinh: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Mythtranscode#Troubleshooting

[20:52:37]

wagnerrp:

code 139 is a segfault

[20:53:00]

justinh:

hmmm

[20:53:13]

justinh:

I can't get it to segfault with the same parameters

[20:53:37]

wagnerrp:

i wonder how many people actually used mythphone

[20:53:50]

stuartm:

we should add a translation table to the code, print out meaningful messages instead of error codes

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: considering it didn't work for the last few months of it's life, it can't have been many

[20:55:11]

stuartm:

the rise and popularity of services such as Skype, which didn't work with mythphone probably sealed it's fate

[20:55:11]

wagnerrp:

i mean it just gets brought back up surprisingly often

[20:55:36]

justinh:

stuartm: error code nicety was on my todo list... there's always something else yada yada yada

[20:56:11]

justinh:

oh yeah Skype, and most folks not wanting phonecalls hogging the main TV ;-)

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: real VOIP services have risen up too

[20:56:40]

wagnerrp:

which mythphone /can/ interface with

[20:56:41]

justinh:

but then again TVs are appearing which can do Skype

[20:56:51]

justinh:

I no longer want that mythical convergence box ;)

[20:57:05]

justinh:

at least not to *that* level. yikes

[20:57:10]

skd5aner:

Well, I was an original skype user, back in 2003/04, but never used it since until last month when some of my inlaws living a ways away got a notebook with an embedded webcam

[20:57:37]

justinh:

we use it so our son's grandparents – well the tech savvy ones anyway – can stay in touch

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: and they actually want to use videochat?

[20:57:49]

skd5aner:

I would be all for mythphone if it would somehow integrate with something like skype

[20:57:51]

justinh:

my mother loves seeing him

[20:58:04]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yea, especially since we have a little one on the way

[20:58:12]

justinh:

does anything open source based integrate with skype though?

[20:58:55]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: mythphone will integrate just nicely with real phone service like voynage or cable phones

[20:59:34]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: not vonage, at least on the consumer plans

[20:59:41]

jcarlos:

Must I have some special privileges to be able to set the parental access level of a video in MythVideo, please ?

[20:59:51]

justinh:

wagnerrp: yeah but not many proles bother with non-skype

[20:59:56]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: you can't get the SIP details unless you get a commercial plan with them

[21:00:00]

skd5aner:

(vonage)

[21:00:17]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: oh? well i knew they used SIP, didnt know they locked it down as such

[21:00:41]

wagnerrp:

you cant open up one of the ATAs after it has initialized and pull the settings

[21:00:43]

wagnerrp:

?

[21:01:07]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yea, you can get limited administration control of their devices, but the SIP info is hidden and ifyou ask for them over the phone they say it's not an option for standard consumer accounts

[21:01:50]

skd5aner:

stuarta set flags +sf on skd5aner

[21:01:55]

wagnerrp:

well i know there are inexpensive SIP carriers that will give you access

[21:02:00]

skd5aner:

yea, true

[21:02:18]

skd5aner:

I have vonage – and am happy with the service "as-is", but it would be nice if it were a bit more flexible

[21:02:25]

justinh:

jcarlos: there are no special privileges

[21:02:40]

wagnerrp:

and even some that will give you an IAX trunk

[21:02:47]

skd5aner:

you used to be able to buy/subscribe to vonage's softphone and get the SIP details that way, but I tihnk they changed that by making you use a USB fob

[21:03:10]

jcarlos:

justinh: So why when I change the access level of a video the info is not saved ???

[21:03:24]

justinh:

jcarlos: I dunno. I've never bothered trying

[21:03:34]

justinh:

maybe the theme you're using is broken

[21:03:45]

wagnerrp:

jcarlos: mythtv wants to corrupt your children and expose them to your adult video collection

[21:03:57]

justinh:

s/children/parents/

[21:03:59]

jcarlos:

Hahaha

[21:04:34]

justinh:

isn't that what the controls are for? Stop Dad getting at all the filth?

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[21:05:46]

jcarlos:

Wait my son grow a bit, and he will do that, certainly ... :-)

[21:06:26]

jcarlos:

Right now I want to do the reverse ... but it seems it doesn't work ... :-(

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justinh:

somebody with lots of time needs to come in & make all this control stuff nicer & far reaching. Like me, when I retire

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[21:08:19]

appamatto:

Is there a list of cool mythtv features?

[21:09:18]

wagnerrp:

you can sift through the assorted documentation on the wiki

[21:10:44]

skd5aner:

appamatto: heh, that's an interesting question – there probably should be somewhere, but in general you can also look at the main website

[21:10:46]

Beirdo:

sphery: yeah, I was specifically on the (cheaper for who knows what reason) BluRay :)

[21:10:50]

sphery:

if anyone asks, the reason that the commit message on -commits and the one on Trac differs, it's not because I realized it was confusing when I pasted it into Trac, it's because the commit hook messed it up...

[21:11:04]

sphery:

must be a git thing... ;)

[21:11:22]

** Beirdo slaps sphery with a pile of python code. **

[21:11:24]

** sphery hopes no one knows which git messed up **

[21:11:28]

Beirdo:

Here, you fix this :)

[21:11:30]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:11:32]

sphery:

heh

[21:11:41]

JEDIDIAH__:

the parental controls in mythvideo are effective enough once the right columns are set.

[21:11:50]

skd5aner:

are trac post-commit hooks working now?

[21:11:59]

Beirdo:

no

[21:12:01]

sphery:

skd5aner: no, we're just manually doing the work

[21:12:02]

skd5aner:

oh

[21:12:09]

sphery:

s/work/copy and paste/

[21:12:27]

Beirdo:

not until someone actually gets the code working. If I had thought of it on the weekend, I coulda prioritized it, but it slipped my mind.

[21:13:01]

stuartm:

Beirdo: we're approaching the threshold where everything achieves price parity or is cheaper on Blu-ray because it's becoming less economical to produce two different versions and they want to kill off DVD

[21:13:39]

Beirdo:

yeah... and because they continue to bend us over.

[21:13:59]

stuartm:

well that's one possible reason why it cheaper, I'll be honest that I don't know if it's the real reason, especially not in this case

[21:14:04]

Beirdo:

heh :)

[21:14:20]

Beirdo:

you have a good point though, they want to promote BluRay over DVD

[21:14:23]

sphery:

stuartm: yeah... :( which means I may have to accept the greater of 2 weevils, now (BluRay DRM versus DVD DRM--where BluRay's DRM can even make a STB player unable to play a disc until the vendor updates firmware after changes)

[21:14:26]

JEDIDIAH__:

I dunno. there's some stuff that just isn't worth the 25G overhead of a BD file.

[21:15:02]

stuartm:

JEDIDIAH__: so buy it and transcode to something smaller?

[21:15:30]

justinh:

there's a *lot* of stuff not even worth going to the trouble of seeking out

[21:15:30]

stuartm:

sphery: Blu-ray DRM is nasty, it's one reason I was sad to see it beat HD-DVD

[21:15:31]

JEDIDIAH__:

...and keep your anydvd subscription current.

[21:16:11]

sphery:

well, HD-DVD was also nasty--both included the key/encryption update features

[21:16:47]

stuartm:

sphery: yeah, just Blu-ray more so than HD-DVD

[21:17:14]

sphery:

I just think it's wrong that when, i.e. Dark Knight was released, some users who stood outside the stores to get the BluRay immediately got home and found out they couldn't play it until they got a firmware update from their STB vendor (some of whom took 2 weeks to push the update)

[21:17:24]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

suckers

[21:18:15]

wagnerrp:

so what do they expect people who have no internet access to do?

[21:18:23]

wagnerrp:

people who are in remote areas that cannot get it

[21:18:37]

Beirdo:

move to the city?

[21:18:42]

wagnerrp:

get an expensive satellite line just to manage updating their firmware?

[21:18:58]

wagnerrp:

periodically remove their player from their system to bring it somewhere to be updated?

[21:19:09]

stuartm:

sphery: that is nasty, and I don't even have wired ethernet connectivity in my living room

[21:19:45]

stuartm:

guess I'm not all that bothered about it in practice since I'm having to break the encryption just to watch them via MythTV

[21:19:48]

Beirdo:

I updated mine over wireless the other night, but still

[21:20:23]

stuartm:

Beirdo: the box has wi-fi, or you hooked something up?

[21:20:55]

Beirdo:

you can get wifi for it, but I did it wired to a wifi setup

[21:21:10]

Beirdo:

still, not wired from internet->TV area

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Beirdo:

but how they expect non-urban dwellers to deal with upgrades... dunno.

[21:23:39]

JEDIDIAH__:

the upgrade aspect of BD is a bit much for novice consumers in general.

[21:23:46]

stuartm:

I want to get wires to my TV, but it's very difficult to do without major work e.g. chiselling out channels in the walls, re-plastering etc

[21:25:15]

Beirdo:

no chance of running along baseboards?

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justinh:

wagnerrp: get together & launch a class-action lawsuit? :-D

[21:28:30]

wagnerrp:

class action lawsuits are bad for all involved parties

[21:28:42]

justinh:

that sounds logical to me. people have sued for much less

[21:28:49]

Beirdo:

except lawyers.

[21:28:52]

Beirdo:

they win

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I don't know what you're so concerned about. "Consumers can continue to enjoy content that is protected by the AACS technology by refreshing the encryption keys associated with their HD DVD and Blu-ray software players. This refresh process is accomplished via a straightforward online update." http://www.aacsla.com/press/

[21:29:10]

sphery:

see, it's straightforward

[21:29:16]

sphery:

AACS-LA said so

[21:29:26]

justinh:

so say, I dunno, your TV is no longer allowed. times a few million sets.. then what?

[21:29:59]

justinh:

are manufacturers going to bear the brunt of doing recalls & engineer visits? heh

[21:30:17]

Beirdo:

nope, consumers will bend over and buy new ones

[21:30:19]

sphery:

(granted, that's a PC-based player, but still)

[21:30:39]

justinh:

consumers have got too dumb in that case

[21:30:44]

JEDIDIAH__:

that's not going to happen unless them evil lawyers get involved. (BD onsite service)

[21:31:04]

justinh:

still icky

[21:31:05]

Beirdo:

we go out and buy new TVs every 3–4 years anyways on average, no?

[21:31:11]

justinh:

and they still didn't beat piracy

[21:31:20]

JEDIDIAH__:

consumers were never that bright and products have to be built with that in mind.

[21:31:21]

Beirdo:

true

[21:31:34]

justinh:

3–4 years? I wish

[21:31:44]

justinh:

my current set is getting on for 12 years old now

[21:32:04]

justinh:

if it ain't broke...

[21:32:21]

justinh:

and if it is broke, I try to fix :D

[21:32:34]

sphery:

justinh: exactly--they only make legitimate users pay--makes it hard to use things legitimately in many cases

[21:32:37]

JEDIDIAH__:

I also have no plans on replacing any TV that doesn't break in the forseeable future.

[21:32:41]

Beirdo:

if ain't broke, you ain't trying hard enough

[21:33:07]

justinh:

look at all the people who splurged on HD Ready gear – not many are gonna spend again for threedees

[21:33:36]

Beirdo:

that depends on the how much of a sucker they are :)

[21:33:51]

sphery:

but since prices of TVs are dropping to the point that they're now the "impulse" items in front of checkouts/in aisles in Walmart, there comes a point where fixing the TV doesn't make sense to most people

[21:34:15]

sphery:

even I'm having a hard time trying to decide if it's worth the cost of replacing the bulb in my TV or if I should get a different tv

[21:34:30]

Beirdo:

there are still some people crazy enough to replace their car just cuz the ashtray is full

[21:34:31]

** justinh weeps for the economy. And the planet **

[21:34:38]

sphery:

and since bulb replacement is a 0-labor investment...

[21:34:51]

sphery:

yeah, just the world we live in

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justinh:

sigh. it's bad enough that people who subscribe to Sky put up with it constantly breaking etc. As if it's *supposed* to do that

[21:35:52]

justinh:

me? I'm like.. I PAY for this.. make it work or I walk :D

[21:36:17]

justinh:

says the guy who's still waiting to hear about that mortgage he applied for in October

[21:36:53]

Beirdo:

holy crap

[21:38:00]

justinh:

yeah well it was approved & all that before christmas. just waiting on the conveyancing narks now

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justinh:

it was different before they outsourced everything, I've been told

[21:38:54]

Beirdo:

but you need India in the loop

[21:39:33]

Beirdo:

time for them to teach England to subjugate them...

[21:39:47]

justinh:

heh. cept we can't be bothered

[21:40:20]

justinh:

If I don't get the result I want by the end of this week mt complaint is going to the ombudsman

[21:40:27]

justinh:

s/mt/my/

[21:42:54]

Beirdo:

ah, might be a plan

[21:42:55]

justinh:

hey! at last! a recording of 'click' I can watch.. no stupid interruptions to show Egyptians or tennis

[21:43:15]

stuartm:

you managed to record click?

[21:43:25]

justinh:

3rd time lucky!

[21:43:33]

stuartm:

I tried a few times once, never worked out too well so I gave up

[21:44:43]

stuartm:

and they don't even include Film 24 in the listings :/

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justinh:

ouch

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fmilo:

what steps should I follow if I don't see any /dev/video0 with my HVR-1250 ?

[21:47:56]

fmilo:

I can see the /dev/dvb/ fine but not the /dev/video0

[21:48:43]

fmilo:

I hope I could use the s-video to watch/record the stream from the cable decoder

[21:49:53]

sphery:

fmilo: really, if you want analog recording, you should use a better card than an HVR-1250

[21:50:17]

sphery:

i.e HVR-1600 or HVR-2250 (assuming the latter now has analog support and it works in MythTV)

[21:50:19]

wagnerrp:

the -1250 actually has analog support now?

[21:50:26]

sphery:

frame grabber, right?

[21:50:34]

fmilo:

I have the 2250 but does not have a s-video input

[21:50:36]

wagnerrp:

yeah, its a framegrabber

[21:50:44]

wagnerrp:

fmilo: sure it does, it has two of them

[21:51:01]

Beirdo:

2250 has s-video inputs (at least mine does)

[21:51:17]

wagnerrp:

those two white headers on the back side of the card

[21:51:20]

fmilo:

only one

[21:51:26]

wagnerrp:

they go to a pair of daughter cards

[21:51:27]

fmilo:

and is not an s-video

[21:51:54]

Beirdo:

fmilo: works fine for me as s-video

[21:52:02]

wagnerrp:

youre referring to this card? http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr2250.html

[21:52:04]

sphery:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr2250.html + http://www.hauppauge.com/pics/hvr2250_av-inpu . . . iagram-b.jpg

[21:52:22]

sphery:

http://www.hauppauge.com/pics/hvr2250-contents-diagram-b.jpg

[21:52:39]

Beirdo:

one's on the breakout cable, the other on a second backplate

[21:52:45]

sphery:

(latter shows Aux A/V cable required for 2x S-video)

[21:52:48]

wagnerrp:

you have one svideo/stereo input on the breakout cable

[21:52:52]

fmilo:

sphery: yes

[21:52:54]

fmilo:

I have that one

[21:52:57]

wagnerrp:

and you plug the daughter card into the white header for the second

[21:53:10]

wagnerrp:

you have access to two svideo inputs, one for each encoder

[21:53:17]

fmilo:

sphery: Aaahhhh

[21:53:32]

fmilo:

Now I know what does cable were for :D

[21:53:47]

** sphery passes part of that "Aaahhhh" to wagnerrp (who said it in words) **

[21:55:07]

fmilo:

one figure = 1000 words :D

[21:56:07]

sphery:

good songs are wonderful for so many reasons... good song just came on the radio, I reached for the remote to turn it up, and it reminded me I need to recharge batteries for my remote.

[21:56:19]

sphery:

should be done in time for TV tonight

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Beirdo:

heheh

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fmilo:

but still I don't have the /dev/video0 file

[21:57:11]

sphery:

of course, now I have to ssh to turn the radio back down after this song

[21:57:33]

wagnerrp:

fmilo: the 2250 will require you to build your own drivers to have analog support on it

[21:57:38]

jcarlos:

How is possible mythvideo was able to scan file names with Spanish characters, and something has changed, and now it is not able to do it !!

[21:57:47]

wagnerrp:

last i checked, the 1250 did not have analog support in linux, nor was there any intent o add it

[21:58:45]

fmilo:

wagnerrp: I downloaded and compiled the full v4l mercurial repo

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sphery:

ahhh, so it falls under the "no" side of "assuming the [HVR-2250] now has analog support and it works in MythTV"

[21:58:53]

fmilo:

and installed it

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sphery:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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wagnerrp:

sphery: its supported just fine, it just hasnt made it to the in-kernel drivers

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Beirdo:

it does have analog support... but you must have the correct drivers

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sphery:

ohhh

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Beirdo:

v4l-dvb tree has it (IIRC)

[22:00:03]

Twiggy2cents:

Hey can somebody check and see if last weeks smallville/supernaturals were fakes on cw's part or was it just local stuff that mucked mine up?

[22:00:05]

sphery:

you said 1250 the last time

[22:00:06]

sphery:

sorry

[22:00:21]

Beirdo:

it's the saa7164 driver, BTW

[22:00:34]

wagnerrp:

the 1250 is not supported at all, last i checked

[22:00:43]

Beirdo:

that could well be :)

[22:01:14]

fmilo:

I can see the digital /dev/dvb just fine, is the /dev/v4l or /dev/video0 that don't show up

[22:01:16]

wagnerrp:

i would prefer it stay unsupported

[22:01:16]

sphery:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCIe_Cards still shows 2250 with "Note 2: Support is currently limited to digital TV mode only."

[22:01:23]

Beirdo:

yeah

[22:01:30]

fmilo:

ah!

[22:01:30]

Beirdo:

well, in stock kernels

[22:01:32]

Beirdo:

:)

[22:01:33]

wagnerrp:

as that means i will continue not having to have firmware for mine

[22:01:53]

fmilo:

so Is useless to search to make it work on analog uh ?

[22:02:01]

sphery:

Twiggy2cents: fakes?

[22:02:14]

fmilo:

I have to use the pc hdtv5500 then

[22:02:16]

Beirdo:

if you pull the right git tree from linuxtv.org, it should work fine in analog

[22:02:22]

wagnerrp:

fmilo: the 2250 should work just fine for analog

[22:02:30]

jcarlos:

sphery: How is possible mythvideo was able to scan file names with Spanish characters, and something has changed, and now it is not able to do it !!

[22:02:35]

Beirdo:

I've been using it that way since what... July?

[22:03:13]

fmilo:

wagnerrp: doesn't for me :( I can't understand why the /dev/video0 device does not get created

[22:03:28]

sphery:

Twiggy2cents: I see Vampire Diaries and Nikita on the schedule for Fri Jan 28

[22:03:44]

justinh:

hmm trying to figure out how to wangle variations into the commflag wrapper

[22:04:13]

sphery:

jcarlos: would need to know the time span between last-known-working and broken to even guess what changed

[22:05:05]

sphery:

but, yay, looks like Supernatural is returning this Friday!

[22:05:28]

jcarlos:

sphery: Yesterday it worked, today it doesn't ...

[22:05:43]

sphery:

no idea what may have changed

[22:05:53]

Beirdo:

fmilo: use the v4l-dvb git tree from git.linuxtv.org

[22:05:57]

Twiggy2cents:

sphery, okay thats what mine recorded. Both the EIT and schedules direct had it as smallville and supernatural

[22:06:03]

sphery:

jcarlos: what branch are you using? did you do an update?

[22:06:04]

kormoc:

jcarlos, and what did you do between yesterday and today?

[22:06:20]

sphery:

Twiggy2cents: sounds like someone isn't running with --dd-grab-all, and didn't get the update

[22:06:34]

Beirdo:

fmilo: http://git.linuxtv.org/v4l-dvb.git

[22:06:38]

sphery:

Twiggy2cents: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/449426#449426

[22:06:50]

jcarlos:

sphery: No update ... but I installed some plugins in the frontend machine ...

[22:06:52]

Twiggy2cents:

Hmm I just let the backend run it the default way

[22:06:56]

fmilo:

Beirdo: ok, I am on it

[22:07:07]

wagnerrp:

sphery: isnt smallville supposed to be in kansas?

[22:07:08]

Twiggy2cents:

sphery, I will check that out

[22:07:12]

Twiggy2cents:

yes

[22:07:21]

sphery:

Twiggy2cents: default is good for people whose backends aren't powerful enough to do it better :)

[22:07:33]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, why?

[22:07:36]

Beirdo:

fmilo: it looks like it might get sucked in for 2.6.37 vanilla kernel, maybe... but it's there

[22:08:00]

wagnerrp:

where did they manage to find a dam in kansas?

[22:08:12]

Beirdo:

hehe

[22:08:18]

sphery:

heh

[22:08:20]

justinh:

bloody hell man. this is why people say not to write stuff in bash

[22:08:57]

jcarlos:

sphery: And I was playing changing themes in the frontend ... but I can not see any relation ...

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Twiggy2cents:

sphery, so basically default mythfilldatabase doesnt update listings, it just adds?

[22:09:15]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, http://kansas.hometownlocator.com/features/cu . . . lass,dam.cfm

[22:09:18]

wagnerrp:

justinh: looking at the commflag wrapper?

[22:09:39]

sphery:

Twiggy2cents: it updates tomorrow and adds +13

[22:10:02]

sphery:

Twiggy2cents: --dd-grab-all updates /all/ days (today through +13) meaning it gets all the updates

[22:10:05]

Beirdo:

kormoc: there you go educating us again :)

[22:10:18]

justinh:

wagnerrp: yeah

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sphery:

Twiggy2cents: and it does so in a way that's even easier for TMS/Schedules Direct servers than the default way

[22:11:13]

justinh:

wagnerrp: looking at making it possible to use different profiles. need perfection!

[22:11:13]

Twiggy2cents:

ohh so then normal updats two listings while the other one updates all

[22:11:24]

Twiggy2cents:

s/listings/days/

[22:11:59]

Twiggy2cents:

Will a lowly P4 2.6ghz and 1 gig of ram suffice for --dd-grab-all?

[22:12:22]

wagnerrp:

justinh: profiles?

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justinh:

wagnerrp: yeah so if $show="X" go Y seconds either side of the detected break etc

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kormoc:

Twiggy2cents, that's more for you to decide

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Twiggy2cents:

Okay, I will try it and see how it goes

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Twiggy2cents:

Thanks for the advice

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Twiggy2cents:

I have 7 channels so it can't be that intensive

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wagnerrp:

justinh: to be fair, that stuff is written in Awk, not Bash

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justinh:

heh

[22:19:01]

justinh:

still... ain't terribly readable. might hack it up into a userjob proper

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wagnerrp:

well if i ever get this stuff written, there will no longer be such a thing as a userjob

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sphery:

yay

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justinh:

fancy event driven thingies?

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wagnerrp:

justinh: no, just make everything a 'job'

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justinh:

ah

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wagnerrp:

so userjobs would just be jobs, and commflag/transcode would just be jobs defined by default in the schems

[22:22:24]

wagnerrp:

as it is now, there is a lot of custom code specifically to handle transcoding and commflagging

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sphery:

and settings that could easily be done better/without settings after your changes

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jcarlos:

sphery: It seems my locales package has been updated in my today upgrade (using debian squeeze, here) but I can not see what's the problem ...

[22:24:56]

sphery:

such as "Run transcode jobs before auto commercial detection" (and, possibly, "Save original files after transcoding (globally)")

[22:25:16]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, i dont know how something like that would be handled

[22:25:21]

wagnerrp:

(the ordering)

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wagnerrp:

but all the different transcoding profiles, would show up as separate lines under the 'transcode' type in the database

[22:26:46]

sphery:

jcarlos: hmmm... that could cause something. are you setting good locale info in the environment that starts mythbackend (see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/439348#439348 )?

[22:27:18]

sphery:

wagnerrp: you have a means of allowing the order for running other jobs to be specified, right? If so, just use that for specifying the order of transcode/commflag

[22:27:36]

wagnerrp:

sphery: no, i havent thought out a way to do that

[22:27:37]

sphery:

and if the user wants to, they could commflag/transcode/commflag, right? just add commflag at job 1 and 3

[22:28:20]

sphery:

well, however you're storing the list of jobs to run on a recording, wouldn't you just put a sequence number in there?

[22:28:28]

wagnerrp:

i was thinking maybe adding 'metajobs'

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wagnerrp:

where a user would chain together a sequence of other jobs

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wagnerrp:

and then define the metajob to run by default

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sphery:

that would work, too

[22:29:00]

jcarlos:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/LTX36ivB

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justinh:

cutlist stuff is in frames yeah?

[22:29:09]

sphery:

justinh: yeah

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sphery:

jcarlos: try adding the following to the script that starts mythbackend: export LC_ALL="es_ES.UTF-8"

[22:30:06]

sphery:

Qt's locale-detection is very convoluted, since there's no standard approach used by different distros/platforms

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jcarlos:

sphery: It did the trick ... but I don't understand anything ---

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jcarlos:

sphery: mythbackend was working perfectly ...

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jcarlos:

sphery: What the hell has changed ???

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kormoc:

jcarlos, only you know that

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jcarlos:

kormoc: Really not me, debian locale maintainer will know ... ;-)

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darkdrgn3k:

hey guys, to get HDPVR running you just need to run modprobe hdpvr

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darkdrgn3k:

(kernel 2.6.31.12)

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sphery:

jcarlos: like I said, "Qt's locale-detection is very convoluted, since there's no standard approach used by different distros/platforms"

[22:36:26]

sphery:

jcarlos: and your distro's locale update seems to have changed you from a "works, anyway" to a "needs explicit configuration to work"

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jcarlos:

sphery: Can the locale be set as an argument to mythbackend ?

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sphery:

no, it has to be set in the environment in which mythbackend is executed

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sphery:

such as by the start script

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sphery:

some distros include a start script that allows environment setup through some configuration file, too

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jcarlos:

sphery: Yes ... I added it to the start script ...

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sphery:

you'd have to ask your distro guys how best to ensure it's set

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darkdrgn3k:

i dont see a /dev/video1 for the hdpvr

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kormoc:

darkdrgn3k, it could be /dev/video0 or /dev/video9 or /dev/videoAnyNumberHere

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darkdrgn3k:

kormoc: only see video0 video24 video32 which seem to be the pvi hvr1600

[22:39:52]

kormoc:

darkdrgn3k, so run dmesg and pastebin the output

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jcarlos:

sphery: And how can I know the locale mythbackend has detected ? In the mythbackend log some how ?

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darkdrgn3k:

http://pastebin.com/9e12At2q

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sphery:

jcarlos: I think the locale may be reported, but it's really not relevant to your problem. Qt uses the locale information to determine character encoding. How it chooses the encoding is a mess. And, it doesn't make the information available to the application, so mythbackend has no clue what encoding is in use.

[22:41:51]

sphery:

it's specifically the character encoding that was autodetected incorrectly by Qt in your case.

[22:42:07]

sphery:

jcarlos: and, btw, is this 0.24-fixes or development code?

[22:42:17]

sphery:

you may have mentioned that before, but i missed it

[22:42:32]

jcarlos:

0.24+fixes20101231

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sphery:

ok, thanks... was just curious

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darkdrgn3k:

oops

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darkdrgn3k:

http://pastebin.com/S6Zvq22m <- was missing some lines at the top

[22:46:17]

darkdrgn3k:

seems to laod it around 648.usb

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darkdrgn3k:

line 648

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wagnerrp:

sphery: skype doesnt actually have an open API do they?

[22:46:31]

wagnerrp:

i thought what they released was for remote control of their application

[22:46:42]

wagnerrp:

at most, you could route audio in/out of it

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kormoc:

darkdrgn3k, the very last line is the modprobe. there's nothing else?

[22:48:22]

darkdrgn3k:

kormoc: second psate around line 648

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darkdrgn3k:

http://pastebin.com/S6Zvq22m

[22:48:37]

darkdrgn3k:

(top part gut cut in the first one sorry)

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kormoc:

darkdrgn3k, uhh... that's the usb driver dumping the hub contents. the HDPVR module is 883 and should output a lot more

[22:50:13]

darkdrgn3k:

then i have a problem

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darkdrgn3k:

http://pastebin.com/Uxyj3Eri

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sphery:

wagnerrp: nope

[22:51:09]

sphery:

wagnerrp: and, TTBOMK, if you don't buy the right, your client is not allowed on the network

[22:51:47]

sphery:

nope = "no open API", and AFAIU, you're right about the remote control

[22:52:53]

qwerty__:

GeForce 8400 gs says it needs to be a G98 core. How can you determine what core it is?

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darkdrgn3k:

kormoc: any ideas?

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kormoc:

nope

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darkdrgn3k:

compile from linuxtv?

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darkdrgn3k:

or maybe just a kernel upgrade.. hmm

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Beirdo:

why would anyone wanna use skype?

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justinh:

yup. needs profiles. globally setting offsets for the breaks to also catch sponsor messages isn't enough

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justinh:

Beirdo: to converse with people who aren't tech-heads ;-)

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kormoc:

Beirdo, it's rather large in the world outside of America

[22:59:20]

Beirdo:

yeah, but on their TV?

[22:59:22]

justinh:

I'd do MSN instead, but er...

[22:59:31]

kormoc:

Beirdo, sure, video chatting

[22:59:35]

justinh:

anyway.. bedtime :)

[22:59:44]

** Beirdo shudders **

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Beirdo:

I can do that on my laptops....

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** kormoc shrugs **

[23:00:24]

kormoc:

people want to do more and more via their tv

[23:00:34]

Beirdo:

seems that way, yeah

[23:00:50]

Beirdo:

OK, if you were webchatting with a pornstar or something, I could see the allure

[23:01:01]

Beirdo:

but in normal cases... no thanks

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kormoc:

Beirdo, haven't you seen the commercials? Christmas time! When your grammy doesn't want to get sexually assulted to fly over to visit, she can video chat with the family in the living room as they open presents!

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sphery:

I hate skype for being closed--you can't talk to people who use skype unless you use skype

[23:02:17]

Beirdo:

hehe

[23:02:31]

Beirdo:

OK, I may make an exception for Christmas time s;)

[23:02:39]

sphery:

and skype client won't work with open networks, either

[23:02:59]

Beirdo:

but anyways, someone else can get it working :)

[23:03:04]

sphery:

like saying I can't phone someone because they have Sprint and I have T-Mobile

[23:03:05]

Beirdo:

it will now... if you pay

[23:03:08]

sphery:

just wrong

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kormoc:

Beirdo, once you do that, then it's birthdays! Graduations! Special occasions! and then it turns into more and more normal things until it's everything

[23:03:21]

Beirdo:

you can use SIP in/out of Skype

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kormoc:

Sorry, I gulp

[23:03:51]

sphery:

but only using their normal SkypeOut garbage, right? I.e. the "call any landline or mobile"?

[23:03:53]

Beirdo:

hmmm. yeah, then your buddies are calling you as you walk outta the shower not thinking of it

[23:04:15]

Beirdo:

I think so. SkypeIn and SkypeOut

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sphery:

yeah, that's just buying another telephone service

[23:04:36]

sphery:

so why do I need skype, then? :)

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Beirdo:

ummm. Who knows? :)

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sphery:

heh

[23:05:25]

** sphery begins his manual buildbot to see if he broke anything with those recent commits **

[23:05:28]

Beirdo:

but they do have *some* sorta way to use it with standards-based equipment/software

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sphery:

(i.e. compiling it by myself from a pristine checkout :)

[23:05:42]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I want to get cppcheck up soon too

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sphery:

Only reason that I fixed a minor issue that wasn't really a bug in 4 commits (rather than just 1) is because kormoc somehow got ahead of me in the commit race

[23:06:32]

Beirdo:

need to get command lines from stuartm, I guess

[23:06:40]

Beirdo:

hehe

[23:06:48]

kormoc:

oh noes!

[23:07:46]

Beirdo:

ohloh's stats may not be accurate

[23:08:10]

sphery:

woah, kormoc just got like 220 commits since I last looked a couple weeks ago

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

I did?

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Beirdo:

hheeh

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Beirdo:

nice work

[23:08:29]

sphery:

and you not have a bunny icon

[23:08:46]

sphery:

thiink maybe you consolidated some multiple ohloh auto-created accounts?

[23:08:48]

Beirdo:

I still don't think my work on mythsystem is counted in the stats there

[23:08:54]

kormoc:

hrm

[23:08:56]

kormoc:

maybe

[23:09:08]

kormoc:

I don't even know how to do it

[23:09:17]

sphery:

I was really surprised I was anywhere near you... so this makes more sense

[23:09:40]

sphery:

just have to do the "I am this person" link on the developer page

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sphery:

but if you don't know that, that may not be what happened

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sphery:

maybe ohloh auto-fixed it?

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kormoc:

I changed my ohloh email address recently

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sphery:

ah, that may be it

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sphery:

they consolidated when they saw the new address on the same account

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kormoc:

yeah

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sphery:

well, at this rate, fixing minor issues in 4 commits isn't going to help me catch you

[23:11:49]

sphery:

I think I may start doing character-by-character commits, then push all the changes at once

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kormoc:

speaking of, how do I go back and fix up the author on old commits?

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kormoc:

sphery, you'll never catch up! I can generate commits daily via automated scripts! Ebuild version bumps for the win!

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** sphery crawls away, crushed, hopes dashed **

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sphery:

if there is a way to fix the author on an old commit, I could actually fix the one I did the other day where I forgot --author

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Beirdo:

kormoc: if you've already pushed, you can't without messing up history

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kormoc:

bleh

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Beirdo:

if you haven't pushed yet... git commit --amend --author="whovever <email@blah.com >" -s

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Beirdo:

that should do it

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kormoc:

I guess that's a 'feature'

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kormoc:

root@jessica.(none) will always have a history in git now

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sphery:

Beirdo: so, just like my father told me on my wedding night, "If you ever travel back in time, don't touch anything."

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kormoc:

but you're allowed to stomp on things?

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sphery:

or, as a true quote, "Agh! OK, don't panic – remember the advice your father gave you on your wedding day." (in Grandpa Simpson's voice) "If you ever travel back in time, don't step on anything because even the tiniest change can alter the future in ways you can't imagine."

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Beirdo:

hehe

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qwerty__:

Anyone used a nvidia 6200 with mythtv?

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kormoc:

Sure, years ago

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sphery:

kormoc: seems that way... based on the fact that one of stuartm's commits seems to have been rebased to a different hash

[23:24:42]

sphery:

???

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qwerty__:

kormoc: how well did it work?

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kormoc:

qwerty__, just fine for SD

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qwerty__:

Thanks.

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kormoc:

sphery, yay! Broken ebuilds!

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sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

cause hashes are a great way to keep a pointer to a point in history...

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sphery:

but the chances that that particular commit was important to an ebuild are likely small, right? :)

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kormoc:

1/number of commits that day ;)

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aputerboy:

I recently installed mythfrontend on my 64-bit Windows 7 laptop (I need Windows for work unfortunately) – anyway I am finding that the Windows build is really unstable and crashes frequently when entering/exiting playback of videos. While Mythtv has never been perfect under Windows, I find that 0.24 under Windows 7 is nearly unusable. Any thoughts on what might be wrong and have others had...

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aputerboy:

...similar experiences?

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