Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, January 26th, 2011, 00:17 UTC

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Diverdude:

hello...I have som avi files. Is it possible to make mythtv automatically locate images and subtitles etc. for the movies?

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JEDIDIAH__:

asking for automatic subtitle downloads might ruffle some feathers. the image stuff is probably already handled though.

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sphery:

Diverdude: you mean look up metadata? if so, in mythvideo, select the video and hit w

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sphery:

it won't get subtitles, though

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sphery:

because, yeah, it's likely a copyright violation

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Diverdude:

sphery, dan...subs was the most iportat thing to get

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JEDIDIAH__:

try ccextractor

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sphery:

Diverdude: then re-rip your videos off the original DVDs and include the subtitles with them

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Diverdude:

sphery, its possible?

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JEDIDIAH__:

a "pristine" rip will have all the captions.

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sphery:

or something like ccextractor if you're going from recordings with captions

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JEDIDIAH__:

of course ccextractor is only going to work for DVDs with captions.

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sphery:

Diverdude: yeah, if you use an ISO, it has all the streams... if you transcode to AVI, you can have some programs include subtitles--but since in DVDs, subtitles are images, they just slap the images on the video and they become "open" (always on) captions

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Gibby:

where there audio changes in the last month?

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sphery:

yeah, and some of the tv dvds have captions

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Diverdude:

i think there are some programs that can grab all meta data from the web, also subs. Do you know any of those?

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JEDIDIAH__:

transcoding to MKV may work better for including image subtitles. this is not something I have sorted out myself.

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JEDIDIAH__:

time to learn perl.

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Diverdude:

what is MKV?

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drindt:

hy i am watching tv in germany via dvb-t, and since a lot of days, the epg data is not complete, just few channels are have epg data available. someone has same problems?

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kormoc:

drindt, turn on active EIT gathering?

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drindt:

kormoc: i am not sure if its enabled, will check it. but the box is running fine for months...

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sphery:

Diverdude: matroska

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sphery:

better container than avi

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sphery:

so put your h.264 or xvid or whatever in mkv instead of avi

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drindt:

kormoc: it is enabled on both receivers

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kormoc:

drindt, are you sure the data coming from your provider is complete?

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drindt:

kormoc: no, how can i check that?

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drindt:

can i rerun mythfilldatabase to reload the epg data?

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Gibby:

I have an issue with my sound, any time I watch a video it now forces my audio receiver to DSP Surr Off, even if the video is in 5.1. When it does this is it forces all talking audio out of the left rear speaker, now if it is just 2 channel audio, the voice audio only comes out of the left rear when i toggle up-mixer, here is a snippet of my frontend logs http://pastebin.com/GyLpK8kd it does seem to try to push 6 channel audio out tho.... only thing th

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kormoc:

drindt, mythfilldatabase is entirely meaningless for EIT data

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Gibby:

oo and audio is running through hdmi and have had no issues for months

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drindt:

kormoc: ok, so please give me informations, where i can start reloading it. thanks

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kormoc:

drindt, it's received over the signal. You can't reload it faster then it comes in

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kormoc:

drindt, and you're at their mercy on how complete it is

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drindt:

kormoc: so i can't really check if those data are successfully received or whatever, so maybe the provider forgot it to send?

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kormoc:

that'd be my guess personally

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kormoc:

but you'd likely need to talk to other dvb-t guys about details

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Gibby:

drindt: i know i am catching up but i think you can see it in the backend logs, atleast i can when i get new data

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drindt:

kormoc: thanks for the informaton

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drindt:

Gibby: you use dvb-t?

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JEDIDIAH__:

MKV is a more modern format (container) that supports stuff that AVI doesn't because it is ancient.

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** wagnerrp wonders if kormoc aspires to be an overweight german prison guard **

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JEDIDIAH__:

disavowing any knowledge of anything?

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Gibby:

no i use dvb-s

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Gibby:

copied wrong one, astc is what i meant

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wagnerrp:

'<kormoc> I backport nothing!'

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JEDIDIAH__:

it's amazing how much they cut out of old re-runs these days.

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Gibby:

err atsc, i am just going to quit for today

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JEDIDIAH__:

...hardly recognize them anymore.

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Gibby:

6-pack to whoever helps me fix my stupid audio

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BLZbubba:

is there anything special i need to do with 0.24 to detect an hd homerun? i got to the "capture card setup" screen and chose "HDHomeRun DTV Tuner Box" and the only choice is to manually enter an ip address

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Wicked:

iirc there is a magic number you can enter if you only have one hdhr

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kormoc:

then it's not being detected on your network, verify you have valid upnp routes?

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Wicked:

like ff:ff:ff:ff or something

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wagnerrp:

BLZbubba: if you cannot autodetect your HDHR, you need to fix autodetection

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wagnerrp:

you cannot use the dual tuner HDHR with an ip address

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nichos:

hi all, silly question – where can i change the OSD on .24?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: its not UPNP, just normal broadcast detection

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kormoc:

ahh, fair 'nuff

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wagnerrp:

you need to be on the same logical network segment

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wagnerrp:

(such that you have the same broadcast address)

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BLZbubba:

ugh how does the auto detection work, i am on the same segment but i only have udp & tcp

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wagnerrp:

a udp packet broadcast to your segment

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BLZbubba:

did something change recently? 0.22 & 0.23 worked great

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wagnerrp:

and then it waits for a response

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wagnerrp:

i believe 0.23 was broken as well

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BLZbubba:

nope it worked great

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wagnerrp:

it was a change in the silicondust libraries that didnt mesh well with mythtv

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BLZbubba:

which some people considered broken i guess

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BLZbubba:

1 tuner is better than none for tonight i guess

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BLZbubba:

ok thanks for the info

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: did silicon dust's patches get added for 0.23 or 0.24?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, donno. It works in head ;)

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BLZbubba:

they were added to 0.23 pre-release, then they switched back to the older version

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wagnerrp:

ah, right... and that was the reason

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BLZbubba:

is there any hope of being able to use the ip again in the future?

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wagnerrp:

sure, if someone finds the motivation to fix it

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wagnerrp:

however broadcast should work fine, works fine for most people, and is the recommended method

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wagnerrp:

how is the address on your HDHR defined?

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BLZbubba:

dhcp

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wagnerrp:

with what subnet mask?

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nichos:

in .24 does the theme control the OSD theme as well?

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kormoc:

nichos, yes

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wagnerrp:

nichos: yes

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BLZbubba:

but my backend is an openvz container, not in bridged mode. so broadcasting is a problem

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nichos:

oh that's a bummer

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BLZbubba:

is it safe with 1 tuner?

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wagnerrp:

BLZbubba: yes, you can only use one tuner

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nutron_:

just because i'm ... gently retarded: can I use thetvdb somehow to show fanart for locations such as watch recordings?

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wagnerrp:

if you tell it to use the second tuner, it will still use the first tuner

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wagnerrp:

so if you try to use both tuners, mythtv will be trying to access the same tuner twice

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wagnerrp:

which results in all sorts of issues and failed recordings

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BLZbubba:

sure does

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wagnerrp:

BLZbubba: openvz doesnt offer a full network stack?

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BLZbubba:

how painful is the problem to fix? i wouldn't mind taking a crack at it

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kormoc:

nutron_, use a theme that supports that, arclight for one

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BLZbubba:

wagnerrp: yes i can switch to bridging if i have to

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BLZbubba:

but bridging is 1000x more painful

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** kormoc blinks **

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wagnerrp:

ive got my backend running in a freebsd jail, and ended up having to do that to get it to work

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BLZbubba:

i've done it before, it isn't too bad

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kormoc:

I'm assuming he only has one backend and the frontend is in the same container

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BLZbubba:

but aliasing is so nice & easy

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BLZbubba:

frontend is a dedicated machine by the tv

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wagnerrp:

BLZbubba: at least my jail startup script does everything for me

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wagnerrp:

a couple changes in a config file, and i can very easily flip between aliasing and bridging

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kormoc:

BLZbubba, and you bypassed all the upnp stuff by hand already

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wagnerrp:

(of course this is only after several days and several hundred lines of a new init script, because the existing init script in freebsd is junk)

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BLZbubba:

it seems to complain about upnp and i just hit enter to skip it

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BLZbubba:

wagnerrp: sounds like fun!

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BLZbubba:

you'd like openvz, at least the init part is mature. too bad their kernel patch is too huge and ugly for linus to ever approve

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wagnerrp:

thats the one thing i really hate about freebsd's init system

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Beirdo:

nice. another failed CD rip

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Beirdo:

getting quite a stack of em

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wagnerrp:

its written in bourne, and configuration is all very simple, in a single file

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wagnerrp:

but the way it handles configuration variables is just a hideous mess of eval()

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Beirdo:

and I found out the hard way that resetting the firewire bus resets the USB bus my preamp is on too

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wagnerrp:

so if you ever want to add anything new, its a horrible PITA

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wagnerrp:

i ended up giving up, and just rewriting the thing in python

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Gibby:

ok finally fixed it after 2 weeks, don't know why but i had to enable Stereo PCM only... which doesn't make sense...

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nutron_:

Beirdo: bad media?

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

gonna try all the bad ones manually in the "normal" DVD-RW and then make a stack to replace

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Beirdo:

this one was Stone Temple Pilots

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wagnerrp:

it bourne scripting even just supported structs, it could be done /so/ much cleaner

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Beirdo:

so now I wait for this side of the the LP to be finished capturing... THEN I reset the changer :)

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** wagnerrp goes back to tinkering with socket code **

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JEDIDIAH__:

try a different optical drive. sometimes I find that those little USB cd drives do better at audio rips.

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BLZbubba:

ok if i cancel a recording and want to start it up again, what do i have to do? in mythweb it is showing up with an extra bright green border, but isn't recording

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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nutron_:

kormoc: hmm, so I assume graphite and arclight are the only ones?

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Beirdo:

this LP has an included "pay $2 for a 2-record sampler" coupon

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nutron_:

Beirdo: you can grind them and hope for the best

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wagnerrp:

nutron_: i know the mythbuntu theme supports it as well

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Beirdo:

I'm tempted to send it in and see what Warner Bros does

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Beirdo:

the LP is from 1973

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wagnerrp:

nutron_: mythtv has no built in support for downloading artwork for recordings

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wagnerrp:

if you want that, you either need to do it manually, or use JAMU

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JEDIDIAH__:

there must be an expiration on the offer.

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JEDIDIAH__:

surely they had lawyers in 1973.

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Beirdo:

not stated

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nutron_:

wagnerrp: I knew that, but I wasn't sure if it was valid in the watch recordings area... though I am using mythcentre hence my no-go status

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kormoc:

I know arclight works

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BLZbubba:

wagnerrp: http://mvirt.com/2010/07/08/openvz-veth-bridg . . . n-suffering/

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BLZbubba:

fwiw

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wagnerrp:

BLZbubba: the problem im having with jails and vlan is that the driver is apparently still a bit buggy

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Beirdo:

this is a Montrose LP, BTW... as in Sammy Hagar way before he was in Van Halen

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wagnerrp:

if you close a jail, destroy the virtual device, and create a new device of the same id

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wagnerrp:

theres a chance for a kernel panic

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kormoc:

Beirdo, send it in, worse happens is nothing

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Beirdo:

kormoc: yeah, at worst, I lose $2 plus postage :)

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kormoc:

or get sued for attempted fraud by redemption

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Beirdo:

hah

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Beirdo:

they don't state an expiry, there's no implied fraud that I can see :)

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BLZbubba:

schedule override doesn't seem to work too well

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BLZbubba:

hmm

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BLZbubba:

ok dinner time

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Beirdo:

now if they cash a check and don't send me the records... then THEY can get in crap

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sphery:

Beirdo: heh, you'll have to let us know what happens

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Beirdo:

I think I'll have to do this just for the heck of it

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kormoc:

Defendant knows offer was made in good faith 40 years ago would have expired by now. Defendant knows any factor LP samples from the 70's would have gone up in value in the past 40 years therefore defendant attempted to defraud on a expired good faith offering. We would like the Death Penalty your honor.

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Beirdo:

hahahah

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nutron_:

:( scary us...

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nutron_:

err "scary USA"

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Beirdo:

wish I had a scanner

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wagnerrp:

why would you want to use VDPAU for xvid anyway?

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[R]:

because your processor sucks THAT much?

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wagnerrp:

you simply cant buy a processor with a PCIe bus that sucks that much

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

how does myth know what to fallback onto if vdpau fails?

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wagnerrp:

you tell it

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[R]:

i only have vdpau in my profile

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wagnerrp:

or it probably picks a sane default of Standard+Xv

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[R]:

oh

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nutron:

chirp .. chirp

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iamlindoro:

A CRICKET, KILL IT

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** iamlindoro smashes nutron **

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nutron:

:'(

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nutron:

q: how would one get a network recorder input? say like... vlc pumping out streams? or? just curious really since I see that the homerun has its own entry

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wagnerrp:

you move to france and get s FreeBox subscription

[06:00:21]

wagnerrp:

alternatively, you can apparently get it working with Sasktel in canada

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Beirdo:

U2 – Rattle and Hum

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Beirdo:

woohoo

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wagnerrp:

that was fun

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Beirdo:

what happened there?

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wagnerrp:

not sure

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wagnerrp:

think it was something ISP-side

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wagnerrp:

and there it is... IPs changed again

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

hmm, odd

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Beirdo:

I just ripped a CD twice it seems

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Beirdo:

Quite sure I don't own two copies of Bush – Sixteen Stone

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Beirdo:

which means the carousel is seriously off I guess

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wagnerrp:

godaddy, why are you so slow...

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Beirdo:

too many people loading up videos of the GoDaddy girls

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wagnerrp:

videos?

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Beirdo:

I'm sure they have some

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

commercials, etc

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mianos:

anyone use jamu?

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kormoc:

plenty

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mianos:

are there any example jamu.confs about?

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mianos:

that work

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mianos:

I see the example but it's 3000 lines of commented out examples

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mianos:

I assume a lot fo people have a bunch of media from eztv and get the meta data for it

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mianos:

but I am thinking that assumption is not corrrect

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kormoc:

talk about eztv or media acquired by torrents is a bannable offense in this channel.

[07:56:32]

mianos:

hmm ok sure

[07:56:38]

mianos:

than I have a bunch of TV recordings

[07:56:40]

mianos:

as I do

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mianos:

named in the same manner

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mianos:

like v

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kormoc:

We don't support media files named in a release group style

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mianos:

v.2009.s02e01

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mianos:

is that release style?

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kormoc:

you can read the mythvideo wiki on supported formats

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mianos:

they are also copied to a folder

[07:57:36]

mianos:

TV/V/Season 2/

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kormoc:

but I'm not going to help you with media that is against channel policy to discuss

[07:58:02]

mianos:

so I guess I'm on my own to amke a bunch of regular expressions

[07:58:13]

mianos:

this set issn't

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mianos:

that is not release style

[07:58:38]

mianos:

is there any other way?

[07:58:52]

mianos:

or is the myth style to store them all in the same directory?

[07:59:24]

mianos:

and keep the 1002_20110124093201.mpg

[08:00:07]

mianos:

anyway so there are not examples

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mianos:

I thought so

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mianos:

doign a jamu.conf search on google only seems to get a page

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mianos:

on the other hand, now I see this:

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mianos:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing

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mianos:

actually what I was looking for

[08:03:38]

mianos:

actually not what yous aid

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mianos:

said

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mianos:

and not what you suggested

[08:03:53]

mianos:

thanks for the service

[08:04:12]

mianos:

so the trick is to simply stick with myth and not use jamu

[08:04:17]

mianos:

which explaisn the lack of info

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mianos:

Title/Season 1/Title s01e01 Subtitle.mpg is exactly what I have, handy

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mianos:

does anyone know if it's normal for the built in coverart downloader to dowload gifs and name them jpg? in .24 from the ubuntu maverick ppa?

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hashbang:

heyas

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k-man:

recently the frontend has been hanging from time to time on the "please wait.." when you watch a recording

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k-man:

anyone else experiencing that?

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k-man:

hi hashbang

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hashbang:

k-man: hanging for a while then comes back and plays the recording you selected? Hangs the machine hard, or just the mythfrontend process?

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k-man:

frontend process hangs permanently on the "please wait", killing and restart frontend fixes it

[10:49:11]

k-man:

its about 2 weeks since i compiled from git .24 fixes, and its only since then that i have noticed this problem

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k-man:

actuallym its about 1 weeks since i compiled it

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hashbang:

k-man: I'm using GIT of about the same vintage with no similar problems

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hashbang:

k-man: local or remote frontend?

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k-man:

local

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hashbang:

same here

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hashbang:

(so far)

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k-man:

its only happened twice to me

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k-man:

but its very annoying

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hashbang:

nothing in kernel log regarding disc read errors or anything?

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k-man:

ill check

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k-man:

actually, if it happens again i'll check

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hashbang:

what video driver are you using? how's MythTV FE configured to display (Xv/XvMC/OpenGL/VDPAU/...)

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k-man:

hmm... not sure

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k-man:

its not vdpau

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k-man:

its tv-out

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Crys:

I just saw http://www.fit-pc.com/trimslice/ on a news site. It looks like a perfect MythTV frontend box (just 3W average!) if the NVIDIA Tegra ARM processor is fast enough. (http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-2.html)

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wagnerrp:

mythtv runs on the ARM, but does not support the hardware accelerated decoding on the Tegra

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wagnerrp:

for what its worth, a dual core 1GHz A9 is probably about as powerful as any Atom

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wagnerrp:

but the ffmpeg decoders are pretty heavily optimized for x86 platforms

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Crys:

bummer!

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swerve:

does anyone know what this error is or how to fix it? mythfrontend just suddenly crashes now when I try to do anything: Error: MythTV database has newer TV schema (1254) than expected (1244).

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tank-man:

swerve, did you update something?

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swerve:

just updated to fix it, seems to be working now

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swerve:

oh wait – now it's saying it wants to upgrade the schema from 1028 to 1032 – do I let it, or exit?

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tank-man:

it is possible to backup the database i believe

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tank-man:

before updating that is

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swerve:

it backs up every night. but why is it trying to upgrade that in the first place?

[15:51:24]

gregL:

swerve: Because a dev has made a change that requires a bump in the protocol...It will make a back up when it updates.

[15:52:06]

swerve:

okay – so if i upgrade it's going to screw something up? because i exited, and it works without upgrading

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gregL:

swerve, It shouldn't...

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swerve:

not sure why all this happened to begin with – it was running fine for months with no changes

[15:53:48]

swerve:

database got corrupted, i guess, although i repaired and optimized it

[15:55:11]

iamlindoro:

no, it doesn't work without upgrading

[15:55:20]

iamlindoro:

1028–1032 refers to a plugin schema

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iamlindoro:

If you attempt to start the plugin it's telling you it's trying to upgrade the schema of, it will fail to do so

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iamlindoro:

It's attempting to upgrade schema because you have upgraded your Myth install to a new version, likely by running your package manager's updates

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swerve:

yeah, i upgraded after it suddenly stopped working

[15:57:00]

swerve:

but it gave me that first schema error before i upgraded anything

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iamlindoro:

sorry, but that's incorrect-- you *had* upgraded somewhere

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swerve:

any mythtv components, at least

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iamlindoro:

specifically, you upgraded the packages on your backend

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iamlindoro:

The result was that your frontend was no longer able to speak with it

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swerve:

iamlindoro: right – sorry

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iamlindoro:

So there you go

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swerve:

mysql probably

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iamlindoro:

myth wasn't crashing, it was refusing to run

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iamlindoro:

no, not mysql

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iamlindoro:

mythtv

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swerve:

no, mythtv was in the ignore list

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swerve:

not upgraded

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iamlindoro:

incorrect

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iamlindoro:

MythTV *was* upgraded

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swerve:

on backend or frontend

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iamlindoro:

thus your error message

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swerve:

lol – after it stopped working i upgraded it this morning

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** sid3windr sighs **

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iamlindoro:

It stopped working because your backend was upgraded

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swerve:

yesterday and for months before that workign fine, this morning – suddenly crashing

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iamlindoro:

That schema message means that your backend is running .23, and your frontend .22

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swerve:

lol – no, it wasn't

[15:59:17]

iamlindoro:

Yes, it was

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iamlindoro:

It's just a fact, sorry

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swerve:

debian specifically had it in the list of packages that it was "holding back"

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swerve:

so it wasn't upgraded

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iamlindoro:

you may have questions or concerns about *why* or how* it was, but the fact remains-- it was

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swerve:

if that's in a apt log anywhere, i can show it to you

[16:00:02]

swerve:

so now you are saying debian is upgrading packages that it says it's holding back? no.

[16:00:10]

iamlindoro:

If your frontend was telling you the schema was 1254 (.23) but it only understood 1244 (.22) then you had upgraded your backend-- there are no ifs, ands, or buts about it

[16:00:24]

iamlindoro:

Feel free to ague about it, it will remain a fact

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swerve:

/etc/pacman.conf: IgnorePkg = mythtv mythplugins-mythvideo myththemes xulrunner

[16:00:45]

iamlindoro:

Myth didn't randomly develop self awareness and manage to come up with it's own exact bit-perfect upgrade to .23

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swerve:

i upgraded to 0.23 this morning, after it started crashing

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iamlindoro:

And yet the message you say it was giving you when it was "crashing" (which it wasn't crashing, just refusing to run) specifically says that the backend was upgraded to .23

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swerve:

which message? 1244 to 1254?

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iamlindoro:

I understand that it may be confusing or cause for concern that it was upgraded-- but the backend *was* upgraded, that's the only way it can throw that schema error

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swerve:

it might have sneaked through, but i don't think so

[16:02:56]

iamlindoro:

"mythfrontend just suddenly crashes now when I try to do anything: Error: MythTV database has newer TV schema (1254) than expected (1244)."

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iamlindoro:

The message you quote there has only one meaning

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iamlindoro:

the backend is running .23, the frontend is running .22

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iamlindoro:

So whatever happened, however it happened, that's what happened

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swerve:

there are two messages, which are you referring to

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swerve:

*were two messages

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iamlindoro:

The one I quoted you quoting above

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iamlindoro:

"mythfrontend just suddenly crashes now when I try to do anything: Error: MythTV database has newer TV schema (1254) than expected (1244)."

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swerve:

hold on a second

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iamlindoro:

The second schema prompt occurred after you upgraded the frontend, and is just a prompt for you to upgrade the *plugin* schema

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swerve:

but some of the shows i recorded did not refuse to run

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swerve:

yes, that's the first message

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iamlindoro:

Yes, the first message means the backend has been upgraded

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iamlindoro:

and that the frontend has not been

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swerve:

then i upgraded backend and front end to 0.23, and it worked again

[16:06:18]

iamlindoro:

The backend had already been upgraded

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iamlindoro:

That's the whole point

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swerve:

then when i restarted the second time (after upgrading), it gave me the new schema message

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iamlindoro:

if the DB schema was 15254, you had already upgraded the backend

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swerve:

shoot – how do you un .gz a package? checkign the log and it's gz'd

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iamlindoro:

Correct, the second schema message means you had upgraded the frontend to match your backend

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swerve:

backend was working with some recordings before that happened, though

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swerve:

if the two versions were incompatible, nothing should have run

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swerve:

right?

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

the backend will go on working

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iamlindoro:

because the backend had upgraded, and runs independently of the frontend

[16:08:32]

iamlindoro:

the backend was chugging along, running .23, with a .23 compatible DB

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iamlindoro:

the *frontend* refused to run because it was a full version behind

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swerve:

but the frontend didn't refuse to run

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swerve:

the frontend did run ;-)

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iamlindoro:

"mythfrontend just suddenly crashes now when I try to do anything: Error: MythTV database has newer TV schema (1254) than expected (1244)."

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iamlindoro:

^^^

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iamlindoro:

Your words

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swerve:

right – i misspoke, said it that way for convenience, etc.

[16:09:41]

iamlindoro:

Sorry, but that's not so either

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swerve:

live tv didn't run, and some of the recordings didn't run

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iamlindoro:

the frontend won't start under those conditions

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swerve:

at least one of the recordings did run

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iamlindoro:

sigh

[16:10:01]

iamlindoro:

ok, whatever

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iamlindoro:

w

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iamlindoro:

hat

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iamlindoro:

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swerve:

crouching tiger, hidden dragon, in fact

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iamlindoro:

what do I know, I'm just a myth dev

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iamlindoro:

sounds like you've got it all figured out

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swerve:

i'm telling you what happened

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iamlindoro:

k

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iamlindoro:

good luck

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swerve:

i dno't have it figured out

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swerve:

you're just not listening

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swerve:

i woke up today, tried to play recorded tennis from last night – refused to run, window disappeared, etc.

[16:11:07]

swerve:

restarted it, tried live tv, same thing: window disappeared

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tank-man:

swerve, "zcat logfile.gz | less "

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swerve:

restarted it again, started going through the list of recordings

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swerve:

when i got down a few, crouching tiger played and mythtv didn't refuse to run

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swerve:

i repaired the database, restarted mythbackend, restarted mysql, then even rebooted – no help

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swerve:

then i did apt-get install mythtv, myththemes, etc. and it upgraded them to 0.23 from 0.22

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swerve:

but the frontend was still 0.22 because i specifically had those in the ignorepkg array

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swerve:

so then I found an svn version of 0.23 for my distro, upgraded that, and now it works

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swerve:

EXCEPT, when i started it a second time, it gave me the new schema message

[16:14:25]

swerve:

"do you want to upgrade, or ignore" – i ignored it (exited), and it's running as we speak

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iamlindoro:

As previously stated, when you are prompted about the schema in the frontend, it's a plugin schema

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iamlindoro:

meaning only the plugin will fail to run when you don't upgrade it

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swerve:

here's the log of the upgrade today – notice that it says "previously unselected" and that it's replacing v. 0.22 + fixes, etc.

[16:17:54]

swerve:

http://pastebin.com/fSrLgyPJ

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hashbang:

swerve: is it possible you got successive versions of mythtv-0.22? There are schema changes within the same release, not just from release to release (e.g. 0.22 to 0.23)

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swerve:

successive versions where? frontend?

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swerve:

frontend: Library API : 0.23.1.201000710–1

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iamlindoro:

hashbang: We actually don't bump schema or protocol within versions

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swerve:

backend: Library API : 0.23.1.201000710–1

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: oops. I sit corrected. :-)

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iamlindoro:

hashbang: When we do, we have a point release so it's a new release-- the only two times in recent history that's happened has been .20->.20.1 and .23->.23.1

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swerve:

QT version is different- does that matter?

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iamlindoro:

hashbang: not a big deal, not something most people keep track of

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hashbang:

swerve: Qt version doesn't matter. This is strictly MythTV stuff.

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swerve:

ok, it's listed in the version info, thought it might be relevant

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hashbang:

swerve: different versions add columns to tables, change column definitions etc, and when they do, they bump the schema version

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swerve:

let me restart and see what happens if i upgrade the schema...

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: BTW, re the dropping of XvMC, I tested my setup with Xv and it was fine. The 'added smoothness' I was getting with XvMC was because it enables Bobdeint by default

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iamlindoro:

hashbang: Ah, that makes a lot more sense

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: switched to using Xv+bobdeint and it was just as good.

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swerve:

okay – all seems well now at least

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iamlindoro:

hashbang: because XvMC and Xv are ultimately the exact same video output, Xvmc just does a little bit of the decode

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: so go ahead (like you need my permission :-P )

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swerve:

one really stupid (lazy) question :D

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swerve:

where is the ordering of the main menu options again?

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hashbang:

swerve: in your selected theme.

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swerve:

system event handler – that is new in 23?

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swerve:

hashbang: okay, thanks

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swerve:

i reordered that at some point, but forget where i did it

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hashbang:

swerve: and it falls through to default-wide or default if there's nothing in the theme you've selected

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hashbang:

swerve: possibly both, but I'm hazy about that.

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: did you see my UK-Mendip thread on the users list?

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swerve:

shoot, i can't find it now

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iamlindoro:

hashbang: I don't think I saw that one, no

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/469293

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swerve:

i guess i must have changed them manually in some text file ???

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hashbang:

swerve: probably in the xml files making up the theme. If you've upgraded, though, your hacked versions will have been replaced with the debian standard versions, I guess

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: was just wondering if the dtv_multiplex columns like lp_code_rate, hp_code_rate, guard_interval, modulation, bandwidth get used to when programming the tuner

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iamlindoro:

hashbang: I don't have a lot of input on that one, other than to say that there could be something to the "auto" point-- not all drivers support Auto, but I'm uncertain of what issues could arise if you tried to use it when it was unsupported

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iamlindoro:

yes, they're used for tuning for sure

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: cool. So I'm not completely barking up the wrong tree with cargo cult stuff.

[16:31:52]

iamlindoro:

in fact, they're basically the primary bits of information for tuning

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iamlindoro:

right, not necessarily the issue, but not necessarily *not* the issue either ;)

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: heh

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: let's hope I've guessed the right values. :-)

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: not sure about the other guy's problem though.

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: it seems to have been perfect since I filled them in

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iamlindoro:

hashbang: Yes, reading further it does look like auto was likely the issue here

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: the new channel tuner in 0.24 looked so good, I expected it to have done the right thing automagically.

[16:34:20]

iamlindoro:

hashbang: Well, it does... presuming your driver isn't hobbled

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iamlindoro:

(which is hardly your fault, it's disappointing that some of the v4l-dvb drivers are so borked)

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: Nova-T-500/dib-0700 so all bets are off. :-)

[16:34:58]

hashbang:

iamlindoro: but I did have a stable config, even if it was more difficult to achieve than it should have been. :-)

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iamlindoro:

glad you got it sorted out, though

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: should be fine for years now, with a bit of luck and in-spec electricity. :-)

[16:40:00]

hashbang:

iamlindoro: one of the things I've identified is that having stuff go for years without maintenance means there's a bit of catching up to do when doing an upgrade. Tweaks that used to be crucial may now been redundant, counter-productive, or replaced by new ones. :-)

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: I think the only maintenance I had to do to MythTV was porting the 8k changes into the old version I was using (couldn't upgrade to a new one without upgrading Qt, which meant upgrading from Fedora 8 :-)

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swerve:

yeah – something definitely isn't upgraded right

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swerve:

getting this in mythweb:

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swerve:

User Notice at /www/mythweb/classes/MythBackend.php, line 100:

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swerve:

Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=50, backend=23056)

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swerve:

none of my recorded programs or upcomings are reported in mythweb, with all kinds of similar errors

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hashbang:

swerve: you need to keep mythweb upgraded too

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hashbang:

swerve: does Debian package it?

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swerve:

yes, but it's always older

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swerve:

plus my frontend isn't debian

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swerve:

so it's better to just leave it when it's working it seems

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swerve:

until it screws up, lol

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hashbang:

swerve: frontends and backends need to run the same version, always. Mythweb is more loosely-coupled.

[16:52:48]

swerve:

all the backend and mythweb versions are on the server though, so they should be compatible

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swerve:

hashbang: right, that's why i leave it alone on both computers once it's working

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swerve:

i'm going to have to figure out this mythweb thing later, have to go now – doesn't seem to be able to record or anything from there but list

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iamlindoro:

That guy was help proof

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h7252:

hello, I installed mythweb from debian-multimedia and apparently modules_path cannot be determined correctly, anybody else seen this issue?

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wagnerrp:

h7252: you configured the mythweb.conf to define the location and access credentials of the database?

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h7252:

hm the access credentials were set correctly

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h7252:

I can't find an entry for modules_path

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h7252:

include_path... let me try

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wagnerrp:

modules_path is being defined in includes/defines.php from information provided by apache

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wagnerrp:

if it fails to set properly, the code fails in a different manner

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wagnerrp:

meaning that that file is never actually run

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wagnerrp:

which is why i was saying lacking modules_path has nothing to do with the problem

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wagnerrp:

its just the visible symptom from something completely independent

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h7252:

hm so I enabled the setenv include_path /usr/share/mythtv

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wagnerrp:

its not an environmental variable you need to set

[17:45:41]

h7252:

now i don't get any error in /var/log/apache2/error.log but I also get an empty page when browsing to the mythweb page

[17:45:48]

wagnerrp:

its a php define the code sets on its own

[17:46:00]

wagnerrp:

and thats the wrong value to use anyway

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h7252:

yes but the value of the define is determined from env — no?!

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

the code defines it internally

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wagnerrp:

it not being set is not the cause of your problems

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wagnerrp:

it is merely the symptom of some other problem

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wagnerrp:

so forcing it to something is not going to fix anything

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wagnerrp:

its just going to result in another symptom showing up elsewhere

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h7252:

hm I see

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skd5aner:

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[18:15:37]

gizmobay:

How do you display foreigh language subtitles in mythvideos? I have the file and it diplays with "T" but the proper characters don't display.

[18:15:59]

gizmobay:

Just install the language pack for the OS?

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iamlindoro:

Likely the font you have selected for text subtitles doesn't contain your characters

[18:16:25]

gizmobay:

I see

[18:17:37]

gizmobay:

Where do I set this?

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iamlindoro:

I believe the setting is in Playback OSD

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sphery:

h7252: did you actually update your system, as I mentioned? I'm pretty sure the issue you're seeing is fixed in both current 0.24-fixes and unstable/development code

[18:20:51]

sphery:

h7252: if you update to current, you should get the real error message that shows you what's /really/ wrong

[18:21:20]

sphery:

as wagnerrp said, yours is a misconfiguration that also results in old versions of mythweb not being able to give a proper error message

[18:21:27]

gizmobay:

thanks iamlindoro that fixed it

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iamlindoro:

np

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pc600:

anyone know where the ati video config is in ubuntu? this sets it, but won't last a reboot. Must be set from CLI. aticonfig --set-dispattrib=tmds2,sizeX:1920 # to set X resolution

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keith4:

pc600: as a hack, you could just toss that into rc.local

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wagnerrp:

pc600: normally, that sort of thing is set in your xorg.conf

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kormoc:

sphery, hrm. plzip on a half a tb with default settings takes *a long* time

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kormoc:

at least 10x gzip default times :(

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Beirdo:

eek

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Beirdo:

how much memory?

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kormoc:

Beirdo, a tad over a gig

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Beirdo:

well, that's not that bad

[18:40:34]

kormoc:

Beirdo, taking 12+ hours for a nightly backup certainly is ;)

[18:40:36]

Beirdo:

decent on memory, takes a long time

[18:40:42]

Beirdo:

well, yeah

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I meant the memory side of it isn't terribly bad

[18:41:03]

Beirdo:

the time part though. ick

[18:41:31]

Beirdo:

the three things to trade off in compression: time, memory use, final size

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kormoc:

it was 0% iowait, so I dropped the compression level down to see if it'll do better

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kormoc:

I want it to use 100% io and then the rest of the cpu power, not all the cpu power and no io :)

[18:42:30]

kormoc:

worse comes to worse, pigz it is

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Beirdo:

aye

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pc600:

keith4 – I'll try it, but from what I can tell just now it also must be executed within the X session

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keith4:

pc600: dunno. i've never used aticonfig. as wagnerrp says, it should be in xorg.conf

[18:44:52]

wagnerrp:

pc600: why cant you define the resolution your xorg.conf?

[18:45:11]

wagnerrp:

or even better, just not, and let the EDID data decide for you

[18:45:34]

pc600:

ATI drivers are stupid and default to a nasty overscan

[18:46:05]

keith4:

you could probably get it to run in xterm, in the session, but it's a lot of work

[18:46:20]

pc600:

I am actually also setting this: aticonfig --set-dispattrib=tmds2,positionX:0 # to set X position to 0 and this aticonfig --set-dispattrib=tmds2,positionY:0 # to set Y position to 0

[18:46:29]

pc600:

to get rid of overscan

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wagnerrp:

pc600: so you fix that with the display wizard in mythfrontend

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pc600:

I'll try it

[18:47:39]

sphery:

kormoc: yeah, lzma is very slow to compress... how many cores did you have? In general, I think lzma is only worthwhile when you have tons of CPU and limited bandwidth--i.e. for things you compress rarely, but that are downloaded frequently (like distro packages)

[18:48:23]

kormoc:

sphery, 8 cores, 1 file, and storage space is a premium :(

[18:48:33]

sphery:

:(

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kormoc:

(or rather, one tar archive)

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wagnerrp:

why are you compressing half a TB?

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sphery:

what kind of compression did you achieve with it?

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kormoc:

it works great for the smaller ones (120–200 gb), the 600 gb one is just slaughtering it

[18:49:19]

sphery:

I'm guessing the gzip would be about 2x the size of the .lz file

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, binary database backups. Part of our disaster recovery plan

[18:49:35]

Beirdo:

ah, that makes sense

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Beirdo:

I figured you had a good reason :)

[18:50:12]

sphery:

kormoc: on the bright side, decompressing the .lz will be faster/less-processor-intensive than decompressing the .gz when you need to use it :)

[18:50:20]

Beirdo:

that's not generally something someone does without a good reason

[18:50:29]

sphery:

for me, it seemed it was all i/o wait for decompressing

[18:50:29]

kormoc:

sphery, really good actually. 120 gigs down to 7, previously 28

[18:50:34]

sphery:

nice

[18:50:39]

wagnerrp:

wow

[18:50:40]

sphery:

.gz was 4x the .lz?

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kormoc:

aye

[18:50:51]

kormoc:

(defaults for both)

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sphery:

wow--much better than I expected

[18:51:10]

sphery:

then again, .gz isn't great for binary, so that may be part of it

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kormoc:

Yeah, well, the goal is to see if plzip will give us better on disk size for about the same processing time, so we're dropping it down to -3 and see if that helps

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nutron:

can any of you get to lodgingcompany.com? via http of course...

[19:04:12]

wagnerrp:

http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/lodgingcompany.com

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nutron:

oh that's a cool site

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_shad:

Wondering if anyone would help me out by going to http://www.humberlife.com/contests/art-attack/ and voting for submission #3

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wagnerrp:

wondering if anyone would help me and stop shilling their content on completely unrelated channels

[19:06:05]

** kormoc votes for submission #4 **

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nutron:

sorry :(

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wagnerrp:

nutron: not talking to you

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wagnerrp:

youre a semi-regular around here

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_shad:

:) Not many other places to ask for a reclusive computer guy

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wagnerrp:

such behavior is acceptable

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nutron:

=)

[19:07:55]

** Beirdo yawns **

[19:08:02]

wagnerrp:

coming into a random channel that you have never before visited, and asking someone to vote for you... poor form

[19:08:02]

Beirdo:

OK, wonder what will break next...

[19:08:15]

_shad:

Have been here, just way back in the day

[19:08:33]

_shad:

Life has a habit of doing those things

[19:08:54]

wagnerrp:

i see no mention in the past several years of logs

[19:08:56]

_shad:

No point in coming into a random channel that I have never been into and doing that; I do agree

[19:09:55]

_shad:

Yea, last couple of years my box has been running very smooth.

[19:10:04]

_shad:

WAF factor is really high :)

[19:10:05]

kormoc:

hrm. even -3 shows the io subsystem is idle... crap

[19:11:53]

_shad:

I do have a related question though: Anyone seen mythfrontend crashing when deleting videos then doing a scan for changes?

[19:12:24]

wagnerrp:

cant say ive ever had that bit crash

[19:13:04]

_shad:

It seems to happen a lot since I've changed to 0.24

[19:13:31]

skd5aner:

what's the difference between these two commits a few days apart? http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/20 . . . /076207.html and http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/20 . . . /076326.html ??

[19:13:41]

_shad:

(For now, I just run mythwelcome so it doesn't dump me back to the desktop)

[19:13:57]

** sphery guesses merge commit **

[19:14:47]

sphery:

skd5aner: note how the second one has an author of paul-h and a committer of jya

[19:14:53]

sphery:

pretty sure that's just a merge commit

[19:14:55]

skd5aner:

yea, I see now

[19:15:03]

wagnerrp:

is there any way in github to show the history centered around the current commit

[19:15:04]

sphery:

IANAGE, though

[19:15:06]

skd5aner:

usually I catch that, but it doesn't make it obvious in the email hook, just in github

[19:15:13]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, don't think so

[19:15:14]

wagnerrp:

rather than start from HEAD

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_shad:

Google is my friend – http://thegrebs.com/irc/mythtv/2003/02/03 was the last time I was here. Time flies

[19:15:31]

Beirdo:

like in the network diagram? Don't think so

[19:15:44]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: like in anywhere

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Beirdo:

wow, been forever since mikegrb was here

[19:16:11]

Beirdo:

you can get a history of changes to the file

[19:16:28]

Beirdo:

but that's not qure the same

[19:17:16]

Beirdo:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commits/mast . . . rd_video.cpp

[19:17:17]

sphery:

would be nice if you could actually give a day reference parameter or something

[19:17:19]

Beirdo:

like that

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kormoc:

Beirdo, but but but Linus says that's bad and not the git way! you should care about lines in a file but not the file itself!

[19:18:02]

Beirdo:

hehe

[19:18:24]

** kormoc is stupi, ugly, and a moron according to linus **

[19:18:25]

Beirdo:

yeah well. Linus has some choice things to say about those who actually *like* SVN too

[19:18:41]

Beirdo:

somehow I don't think we'll be agreeing with everything he says :)

[19:18:52]

sphery:

kormoc: yeah, I've started using that approach to development. Rather than text files of code, I have a repo of lines of code, then I just build a file out of references to those lines

[19:18:57]

sphery:

great for reusability

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Beirdo:

and a few other things there too... crazy :)

[19:19:27]

sphery:

but I'm thinking I may need to take it a bit further... Maybe just references to individual characters...

[19:20:04]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: youve got the databa credentials squirreled away pretty good for beirdo bot

[19:20:12]

wagnerrp:

i cant even find the file

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Beirdo:

what are you trying to do? :)

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harrisonk:

hello all

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wagnerrp:

was trying to query the logs

[19:21:04]

wagnerrp:

read only, i swear... :)

[19:21:16]

wagnerrp:

no matter, the logs dont go back far enough anyway

[19:21:17]

kormoc:

SELECT FROM (DROP DATABASE...

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Beirdo:

!trout kormoc

[19:21:30]

** MythLogBot slaps kormoc with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

[19:21:59]

kormoc:

SELECT * FROM table WHERE username = (DROP DATABASE... ;)

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kormoc:

ahh, the good ol days of sql injection are over at least

[19:22:26]

wagnerrp:

is it really considered an sql injection when youre talking directly to the database?

[19:22:33]

harrisonk:

other than lspci what other commands could I use to find out what my capture card is?

[19:22:40]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, nah, and you can't use a DDL in a subquery anyway

[19:23:00]

kormoc:

harrisonk, shutdown -h now; and then open up and look

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wagnerrp:

heh

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harrisonk:

why shutdown?

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_shad:

If you care about your system :)

[19:23:31]

wagnerrp:

in case you have to remove the card to read the label

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harrisonk:

oh

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harrisonk:

I did is says v-stream

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_shad:

you did a lspci -v ?

[19:24:21]

_shad:

the -v gives you the subsystem line

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harrisonk:

just a lspci no -v

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harrisonk:

ah

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_shad:

look at that line

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wagnerrp:

meaning a... kworld vstream?

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kormoc:

plzip -1 takes 8.5 minutes to compress a 13G db dump down to 2.3G, pigz standard is 5.5 minutes to go to 3.3G, pigz best is 8 minutes for 3.3G

[19:24:52]

harrisonk:

wagnerrp: yes I think

[19:25:37]

harrisonk:

I think it uses a CX8800 chipset

[19:25:50]

wagnerrp:

harrisonk: we dont support tuner cards directly, just tuner APIs

[19:25:57]

wagnerrp:

anything with an API compliant driver should work

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sphery:

kormoc: not testing pbzip2?

[19:26:02]

wagnerrp:

these guys write the drivers

[19:26:04]

wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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_shad:

cx88[0]: card=14 -> KWorld/VStream XPert DVB-T

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harrisonk:

I looked on the V4L wiki and it is supported

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kormoc:

sphery, I should

[19:26:27]

wagnerrp:

then its supported in mythtv

[19:26:37]

harrisonk:

Just But I can't scan for channels

[19:26:49]

wagnerrp:

and if you already knew what it was, and checked for support, why did you ask us how to find out what it was?

[19:26:50]

kormoc:

Are you in the US or Canada?

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harrisonk:

canada

[19:27:21]

harrisonk:

*Canada

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kormoc:

Then you don't scan. You use Schedules Direct

[19:27:38]

wagnerrp:

sign up for an account, pull the lineup and channels directly

[19:27:40]

_shad:

OTA, or connected to a box?

[19:27:47]

harrisonk:

OTA

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harrisonk:

no box

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wagnerrp:

then you may as well junk it and buy a digital tuner

[19:28:02]

_shad:

Have you seen channels on a tv with the antenna you are using?

[19:28:11]

harrisonk:

yes

[19:28:21]

wagnerrp:

isnt canada's switch over impending in the near term?

[19:28:26]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, 2 months iirc

[19:28:33]

harrisonk:

August 1st

[19:28:34]

kormoc:

harrisonk, in 2 months that card with be useless

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sphery:

kormoc: heh, used to be another app called pbzip2, that was actually MPI--worked with multiple hosts on a 'net

[19:28:45]

wagnerrp:

6 months, not worth even bothering with it

[19:28:48]

kormoc:

whoops

[19:29:07]

harrisonk:

what do you recomend for a digital card?

[19:29:26]

sphery:

I'm guessing that network I/O would have made it not worthwhile, though

[19:29:31]

_shad:

looks like the card does support atsc, so should not be an issue

[19:29:40]

harrisonk:

really?

[19:29:53]

wagnerrp:

not if its a dvb-t card

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_shad:

I live in area with no ota channels

[19:30:05]

wagnerrp:

not sure where he would have even purchased a dvb-t card over here for that matter

[19:30:18]

_shad:

one model shows moth dvb-t and atsc

[19:30:21]

_shad:

moth=both

[19:30:44]

kormoc:

sphery, yeah, I'm trying to reduce down network io here ;)

[19:30:49]

harrisonk:

wagnerrp: I got it in a pile of computer parts that was given to me

[19:31:22]

kormoc:

pbzip2 is certainly faster, pulling an average of 46 MB/s off of the disk compared to 26M/sec for plzip

[19:32:33]

wagnerrp:

holy christ...

[19:32:33]

_shad:

harrisonk: You need something like a wintv-hvr-1250

[19:32:50]

wagnerrp:

nhtrader needs a talking to

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kormoc:

ooh?

[19:33:15]

wagnerrp:

stuffing a dozen 1MB+ images onto a single wiki page

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skd5aner:

how come jya caused so many merges around Dec 14?

[19:35:13]

sphery:

skd5aner: he merged a branch

[19:35:17]

skd5aner:

It's a lot of junk to sift through :(

[19:35:25]

sphery:

others have asked that things be handled differently due to that

[19:35:34]

sphery:

that said, I have no clue what the proper approach is, now

[19:35:39]

harrisonk:

_shad: is that a hauppauge card?

[19:35:56]

skd5aner:

especially since the last time I looked was well over a month ago, so it's difficult for me to recall if things had already been committed

[19:35:56]

** sphery just doesn't do public branches so he doesn't have to worry about it **

[19:36:22]

wagnerrp:

harrisonk: do you need a PCI card? PCIe card? or would an external tuner be preferred?

[19:36:36]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: any way to cleary identify in the email -commit hooks that it's a merge commit and not an origianl one?

[19:36:39]

sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, you may need to bring up the network graph and then drag to the date whose commits you're working on

[19:37:00]

sphery:

skd5aner: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/network

[19:37:02]

harrisonk:

pci or external

[19:37:05]

kormoc:

sphery, pbzip2 compressed in 5M down to 2.3G, same as plzip -1 did in 8M 30S

[19:37:06]

harrisonk:

no pcie

[19:37:21]

wagnerrp:

kworld makes some cheap PCI cards

[19:37:36]

wagnerrp:

or you can go for a HDHomeRun (external ethernet dual tuner)

[19:37:40]

harrisonk:

cheap is what I am looking for

[19:37:46]

sphery:

kormoc: and how much tiem for pbzip?

[19:37:50]

_shad:

harrisonk: yes

[19:37:53]

skd5aner:

sphery, : yea, I'm trying to avoid using github if I can

[19:37:57]

skd5aner:

but, might not be able to

[19:37:57]

harrisonk:

what exactly is a HDHomeRun?

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wagnerrp:

the HDHR is actually fairly cheap these days, regularly down under $50/tuner

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harrisonk:

20-under is what I am looking for

[19:38:55]

wagnerrp:

not going to find it new

[19:39:04]

harrisonk:

I was thinking Ebay

[19:39:26]

sphery:

I /hate/ Google's, "Obviously, you're an idiot who doesn't know what to search for, so I'm just going to change your search terms for you."

[19:39:51]

sphery:

Google: We know what you want to search for, even though you're too stupid to know it yourself.

[19:40:07]

sphery:

lzip != zip Google

[19:40:25]

sphery:

they should at least have a way to submit a case for why they shouldn't do this

[19:40:30]

skd5aner:

sphery: that thing actually helps me about 80% of the time

[19:40:37]

skd5aner:

but is annoying the other 20%

[19:40:46]

harrisonk:

wagnerrp: what is a good kworld pci and usb tuner

[19:40:50]

kormoc:

sphery, 5 Minutes

[19:40:59]

sphery:

it was also a problem when the ipad came out--it /forced/ the change (didn't even offer the "Search instead for ipad" option) for the first few days

[19:41:17]

sphery:

kormoc: nice... so basically the same size, but faster

[19:41:36]

kormoc:

sphery, pv file.sql | compression_binary --options is how I'm testing it

[19:42:07]

sphery:

what's pv?

[19:42:26]

kormoc:

sphery, aye, with plzip -1, plzip -3 was significantly longer time (20 minutes) and -6 I didn't let get close to finish, was going to take way too long

[19:42:45]

sphery:

heh, yeah, and -6 is default for lzip

[19:42:57]

harrisonk:

wagnerrp: this is the card I have: http://cgi.ebay.com/KWorld-V-Stream-DV-AV-Exp . . . em41563f6c00

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kormoc:

sphery, pipe viewer, it just dumps from the file to stdout and does calculations in stderror for total size, how long it's been running, bytes per second moving, percent, and ETA

[19:43:16]

kormoc:

sphery, extremely handy for this sort of testing

[19:43:18]

sphery:

ah, cool

[19:43:25]

sphery:

hadn't heard of that before

[19:43:43]

kormoc:

once you realize you can use processbars on pipes, things are so much more awesome :)

[19:43:52]

sphery:

searching for pv pipe viewer gives much more relevant results--instead of tons of photovoltaic stuff

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clever:

kormoc: what package is that in?

[19:44:36]

sphery:

kormoc: it's on my TODO list of apps to install

[19:44:42]

kormoc:

clever, pv

[19:44:49]

sphery:

clever: http://www.ivarch.com/programs/pv.shtml , it seems

[19:44:58]

clever:

i see it on ubuntu as pv :)

[19:45:03]

sphery:

(see "Information and links")

[19:45:25]

kormoc:

example output from the pbzip2 test, 12.7GB 0:05:01 [43.2MB/s] [=================================>] 100%

[19:45:42]

clever:

ive been wanting to add something like that to my initrd to monitor the copying of the root image

[19:45:52]

wagnerrp:

looks like 'rollback' drops you back to the last edit of a different user, not just the last edit

[19:45:55]

sphery:

Mr. intel.i.am just came on the radio

[19:46:13]

kormoc:

you can attach multiple pv to a command as well so you could have a pv for data into the compressor and a pv for data out of the compressor

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** skd5aner is on day 22 of mythtv outage :( **

[19:49:07]

Azelphur:

:(

[19:49:10]

Azelphur:

why is it out?

[19:49:10]

sphery:

skd5aner: no new equipment, yet?

[19:49:18]

sphery:

or just haven't gotten it re-installed?

[19:49:32]

skd5aner:

motherboard failure (and a HD failure too – not related)

[19:49:41]

skd5aner:

still waiting for RMA parts to return

[19:49:45]

skd5aner:

HD came back yesterday

[19:50:07]

skd5aner:

Mobo is scheduled to be delivered tomorrow

[19:50:36]

wagnerrp:

didnt go for the advanced replacement?

[19:50:57]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: wasn't an option for these vendors apparently

[19:51:12]

skd5aner:

samsung and gigabyte

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skd5aner:

had a KVM that never worked right either (1 out of 4 ports never worked), so decided to RMA it at the same time

[19:51:57]

skd5aner:

also had a CPU fan start to permanently buzz – so replaced that too

[19:52:06]

skd5aner:

It's been a bad 2011 for me so far :/

[19:53:05]

harrisonk:

wagnerrp: does this work with mythtv? http://cgi.ebay.com/Kworld-PlusTV-HD-Hybrid-S . . . em35af89a93f

[19:53:34]

sphery:

skd5aner: usps tells me my HDD was delivered to seagate yesterday

[19:53:50]

wagnerrp:

harrisonk: if its not listed on the linuxtv website, my guess would be no

[19:53:51]

skd5aner:

hope your turn around time was a little better than mine

[19:54:06]

wagnerrp:

if it is, then yes, it should work with mythtv

[19:54:06]

sphery:

heh

[19:54:07]

skd5aner:

I forgot to write down my S/N on my HDD, so I don't know if they replaced it or repaired the same one

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sphery:

on the bright side, the RMA isn't going into my mythtv box--I bought a new drive for that

[19:54:25]

harrisonk:

!tuners

[19:54:31]

sphery:

it will become the HDD for my mythtv dev box

[19:54:34]

harrisonk:

hmm didn't work

[19:54:44]

sphery:

so time isn't that important

[19:54:51]

harrisonk:

how does that mythbot work?

[19:55:01]

wagnerrp:

!url tuners

[19:55:01]

MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

[19:55:09]

sphery:

(though my dev box currently has a "borrowed" production mythtv HDD in it)

[19:55:13]

skd5aner:

Well, my old 500GB will go into my desktop to replace an old 250GB drive

[19:55:20]

skd5aner:

so I've got a queue waiting on the mobo

[19:55:30]

sphery:

yeah, mobos are harder to deal with

[19:55:31]

skd5aner:

the 2TB will replace the 500GB

[19:55:40]

sphery:

I've never RMA'ed one bcause of that

[19:55:51]

harrisonk:

wagnerrp: thanks

[19:55:55]

sphery:

closest I came was having the vendor ship a new chipset fan when mine failed

[19:56:01]

skd5aner:

sphery: I just bought it in Oct... :/

[19:56:04]

sphery:

wow

[19:56:09]

sphery:

not cool

[19:56:12]

skd5aner:

yea

[19:56:34]

skd5aner:

oh crap, forgot to order some new arctic silver

[19:56:38]

sphery:

I've found that since I started buying old-tech mobos, I've had a leap in reliability

[19:56:58]

sphery:

"old tech" meaning old chipsets/cheap mobos that don't try to push the latest and greatest features

[19:57:11]

sphery:

and usually high revision numbers

[19:57:26]

_shad:

Moment of silence – got a call from in-laws, their mythtv box now says "Disk Read Error" on boot.

[19:57:51]

sphery:

all the mobo problems I've ever had were with the high-end/gaming/overclocking/performance/... type mobos

[19:58:01]

uW:

ouch!

[19:58:02]

_shad:

Pretty funny that it happens while I am in here

[19:58:40]

sphery:

_shad: I had a similar situation, had the owner buy a new HDD, new HDD had same problem

[19:58:43]

_shad:

Was in the process of moving them to a real server, haven't had time to move SQL yet :(

[19:59:06]

sphery:

_shad: then I decided to try the old HDD with the new cable, and it worked (and so did the new HDD and new cable)

[19:59:07]

_shad:

sphery: Gah

[19:59:16]

kormoc:

sphery, I just get intel whitebox stuff, nothing fancy and it works out

[19:59:17]

sphery:

was a /very/ expensive IDE cable (about $300 at the time)

[19:59:43]

_shad:

Ya, seen that before; also changing the jumper from cable select to master/slave fixed it too

[19:59:45]

sphery:

of course, getting the free 500GB HDD with it was nice

[20:00:12]

skd5aner:

sphery: this is the board – http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3425

[20:00:53]

_shad:

sphery: I'm sure you filled it just as quickly

[20:01:11]

sphery:

heh, yeah, it worked out well for him

[20:01:51]

sphery:

skd5aner: nice... usb3 (which they're not allowed to call usb3)...

[20:01:55]

kormoc:

sphery, looks like pbzip2 is the winner. We'll see how it goes overnight

[20:01:59]

_shad:

I just work backwards – when one of my clients get a new server, I am their disposal service. heh

[20:02:22]

sphery:

kormoc: nice, add some jellyzip and you'll have a nice sandwich

[20:02:31]

wagnerrp:

friggen guy just wont read

[20:03:03]

sphery:

wagnerrp: since when did it become the responsibility of the guy asking for help to read and understand the words you offer to help

[20:03:04]

uW:

shad: thats how it works..

[20:03:33]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm guessing this is on the forum?

[20:03:38]

wagnerrp:

wiki

[20:04:05]

sphery:

ahhh

[20:04:06]

wagnerrp:

guy wrote up a new mythbuntu guide, and named it 'User Manual: Getting Started'

[20:04:12]

wagnerrp:

first, thats a bad location

[20:04:25]

sphery:

heh, yeah

[20:04:31]

sphery:

thought we already had one of those

[20:04:38]

wagnerrp:

second, hes got 13 1680x1050 PNGs he keeps trying to link

[20:04:43]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, why? We all know Ubuntu is the only true linux there is. And none of this GNU crap I keep hearing the stinky hippies talk about

[20:04:45]

wagnerrp:

he adds the links, i remove them

[20:04:50]

wagnerrp:

he adds them back, i remove them

[20:05:00]

sphery:

heh

[20:05:00]

_shad:

uw: Kinda handy, but lately I have an overload of servers. Can only have so many dual 2.4ghz xeon beasts in my basement at a time :)

[20:05:17]

wagnerrp:

the latest edit is complaining about how hes supposed to have images, but they keep getting mysteriously removed

[20:05:18]

wagnerrp:

gah...

[20:05:22]

sphery:

kormoc: well, one of only 2 true linuxes... Ubuntu and Android

[20:05:36]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki?title=User_Manual:Gett . . . p;rcid=51320

[20:05:37]

sphery:

and, yeah, all that GNU stuff is wrong... And SysV and POSIX and ...

[20:05:38]

_shad:

wagnerrp: replace them with black 1680x1050 png's :)

[20:05:40]

sphery:

just a waste

[20:06:20]

uW:

shad: LOL...tell me about it..n then they are at 10% cpu..but hell it feels manly just to have them on

[20:06:40]

sphery:

wagnerrp: also, wasn't the plan to have distro-specific stuff on distro-specific sites (like wiki.ubuntu.com or whatever) and maybe link them on our wiki?

[20:06:44]

_shad:

uW: Yea, along with my 3000va UPS which is running at 9% load. heh

[20:07:08]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, ive told him to remove the mythbuntu specific stuff, or rename it to a mythbuntu guide

[20:07:15]

wagnerrp:

another comment he has missed

[20:08:59]

uW:

shad: nice! ;)

[20:10:08]

_shad:

uW: The only downside is that the batteries need replacing now, and I have a hard time spending that much money (8x12v batteries)

[20:10:47]

wagnerrp:

heh, at least with the consumer ones, its cheaper to buy a new unit than replace the batteries

[20:11:18]

_shad:

Yep. I am pushing a switch from APC to CyberPower just for that reason

[20:11:45]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, want his email?

[20:11:45]

wagnerrp:

ive got two cyberpower units, not a big fan

[20:12:00]

wagnerrp:

theyre not bad units, but the NUT driver is finicky

[20:12:10]

_shad:

wagnerrp: yea

[20:12:24]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: nah, if he doesnt get a clue in the next day, ill just move it myself

[20:12:39]

uW:

i use cyberpower..a 1000 and a 1100..i just changed the batt and it cost 100 bucks to replace both units batteries

[20:12:42]

_shad:

the killer for me is that the new APC software will not let you install it on a Hyper-V server without purchasing additional software.

[20:13:06]

kormoc:

_shad, so use a open source one?

[20:13:17]

_shad:

doesn't work with the new apc's :(

[20:13:18]

wagnerrp:

i never had any problem using NUT on my APC unit

[20:13:27]

_shad:

they changed the way it talks now

[20:13:31]

wagnerrp:

except the battery is so dead, it wont run anything for more than a few seconds

[20:13:34]

_shad:

Was in for a big surpise

[20:13:36]

kormoc:

_shad, works with mine that I got last year

[20:13:49]

wagnerrp:

uW: where from?

[20:13:55]

_shad:

kormoc: That's right around the time they switched

[20:14:56]

kormoc:

_shad, it's not documented as such. Which model shows the new protocol?

[20:15:02]

_shad:

one min

[20:16:05]

wagnerrp:

uW: every site ive ever seen with replacement batteries just sells SLA hobby batteries

[20:16:20]

wagnerrp:

never the self contained, with wire-harness units

[20:16:42]

kormoc:

is uw talking?

[20:16:49]

kormoc:

cause I'm not seeing it and he's not on my ignore list

[20:17:03]

wagnerrp:

'<uW> i use cyberpower..a 1000 and a 1100..i just changed the batt and it cost 100 bucks to replace both units batteries'

[20:17:36]

kormoc:

ahh, just that one line, okay

[20:17:50]

wagnerrp:

hes had a couple lines in the past ten minutes

[20:18:06]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, I thought he was talking in between your lines

[20:18:09]

kormoc:

and he didn't

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_shad:

It is the new SMT series

[20:19:53]

kormoc:

URL

[20:20:24]

_shad:

one min

[20:20:29]

_shad:

try to get exact model

[20:20:43]

kormoc:

cause I'm not seeing that series on their site

[20:20:55]

kormoc:

and I have working SXTs

[20:21:25]

harrisonk:

okay I know that Analog is going but I just want to try and get my card working

[20:21:36]

harrisonk:

wagnerrp: still here

[20:22:16]

uW:

wagnerrp: mia

[20:22:42]

Beirdo:

skd5aner: pretty much what you see is what we are handed.

[20:22:53]

skd5aner:

k, thx

[20:22:56]

harrisonk:

I go to scan for channels in the backend setup and it quits and asks about mythfilldatabase

[20:23:11]

uW:

kormoc..testing..

[20:23:26]

kormoc:

uW, I see ya now, just thought you were talking more then you were :)

[20:23:43]

FabriceMG:

it's possible to add in frontend, Sort episodes by Season/Episode extract to XMLTV ?

[20:23:46]

uW:

lol

[20:23:57]

kormoc:

_shad, found it, had to use the model number lookup with a partial model number

[20:24:39]

_shad:

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php? . . . pcupsd-users

[20:24:44]

_shad:

is the apcupsd link also

[20:25:03]

_shad:

looks like you can buy something now to make it talk

[20:25:07]

wagnerrp:

harrisonk: any card that uses DVB-T is going to use PAL for analog

[20:25:22]

wagnerrp:

while PAL cards can usually handle NTSC baseband video on the composite/svideo inputs

[20:25:29]

wagnerrp:

they cannot tune NTSC broadcasts

[20:25:48]

wagnerrp:

if that card is in fact a DVB-T card, you simply cannot use it on this side of the ocean

[20:25:48]

harrisonk:

but, but, it says that it is a ntsc card

[20:26:08]

kormoc:

_shad, according to this link [1] apcupsd supports the new protocol, [1] http://emea-en.apc.com/app/answers/detail/a_i . . . ompatibility

[20:26:08]

MythLogBot:

SVN 1: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/ce7a5f62

[20:26:09]

MythLogBot:

SVN 1: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/ce7a5f62

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wagnerrp:

harrisonk: in which case, you should still not be scanning for channels

[20:26:36]

_shad:

kormoc: That is if you buy the legacy card :)

[20:26:38]

wagnerrp:

pull them from a schedules direct lineup

[20:27:13]

harrisonk:

does SD support OTA channels?

[20:27:13]

kormoc:

_shad, Negative, "APCUPSd (or other open source tools) ... using USB communications -> Does not require the AP9620"

[20:27:19]

wagnerrp:

yes

[20:27:20]

kormoc:

the *not* is underlined on the page

[20:27:46]

harrisonk:

hmm going to have to have a look

[20:28:20]

kormoc:

_shad, it's required for the serial communication, but who uses that anymore?

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_shad:

kormoc: Me!

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** kormoc blinks **

[20:28:42]

_shad:

kormoc: Client has all usb ports used on server. :P

[20:28:49]

kormoc:

hubs are cheap

[20:29:01]

_shad:

All that was left was a serial

[20:29:09]

_shad:

kormoc: So was this client :(

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_shad:

Middle of nowhere trying to setup a server

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: ive got no choice for mine, NUT doesnt support USB communications on the CyberPower units

[20:29:59]

kormoc:

why buy a fancy ups and use a serial line and not get any of the great features?

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kormoc:

should have bought a cheaper ups and a usb hub :P

[20:30:10]

uW:

wagnerrp: i'll send you the site i got the batteries from

[20:30:13]

sphery:

heh, MythLogBot doesn't like your footnote references

[20:30:17]

kormoc:

yeah...

[20:30:20]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, ick

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_shad:

kormoc: it was the first unit we bought that we realized it didn't work

[20:30:40]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: for what its worth, the Cyberpower units dont actually speak USB

[20:30:50]

kormoc:

Fair 'nuff

[20:30:54]

wagnerrp:

they speak serial, and the USB port just uses a built in USB->serial bridge

[20:31:02]

kormoc:

I only buy apc, even if they almost burned down my house once

[20:31:14]

wagnerrp:

so there are no advanced features to access through USB

[20:31:30]

sphery:

wagnerrp: if I pop up a notification message when the user hits select in the editor to add a temp marker or end a cut, what would be the best wording for it? "New cut added."?

[20:31:30]

_shad:

kormoc: I have seen many ups' just die, or be flaky over the years

[20:31:36]

kormoc:

(Tho, to be fair, it was a non-manufacturer replacement battery that failed horribly)

[20:31:59]

kormoc:

Beirdo, MythLogBot should unique the [] list ;)

[20:32:05]

_shad:

I had a rackmount 1500 that the oem batteries swelled then spit out smoke

[20:32:11]

sphery:

figuring out whether it's "cut started" or "cut ended" is much more challenging and not much more helpful, so I don't plan to do so :)

[20:32:19]

kormoc:

ooh, that's normal if you don't replace them every two years

[20:32:42]

kormoc:

I replace my batteries at the recommended 1 year mark without fail. Just went cheap once and it bit me in the butt

[20:33:03]

sphery:

yeah, I found that after about a year, the batteries in mine weren't useful

[20:33:04]

wagnerrp:

sphery: not sure what purpose that would serve anyway

[20:33:08]

_shad:

I go by runtime remaining :)

[20:33:20]

sphery:

wagnerrp: for the people who don't notice that something changed in the edit bar

[20:33:25]

sphery:

it was a request from stuartm

[20:33:32]

wagnerrp:

sphery: you mean when they have select the first cutpoint, and the next 'select' will create a new cut?

[20:33:51]

kormoc:

_shad, so you run it past the recommended run limits and wonder why it fails eh?

[20:33:52]

sphery:

when they select the first or end point

[20:34:03]

sphery:

so for every NewCut(), really

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_shad:

kormoc: There's the "replace battery" light for reason, right?

[20:34:28]

kormoc:

_shad, that's a critical battery failure light, not a recommended replacement time light

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wagnerrp:

sphery: why not a persistent popup that says 'select second cut point'

[20:34:37]

wagnerrp:

or something of that sort

[20:34:49]

sphery:

because I don't know if they did the first or second cut

[20:34:52]

wagnerrp:

that stays up for as long as they are in that mode

[20:34:53]

sphery:

only deletemap knows

[20:34:55]

uW:

wagnerrp: here is the site..http://www.batterysales.com/

[20:35:00]

sphery:

and getting the info out of there is annoying

[20:35:04]

_shad:

kormoc: All it does is measure the voltage of the batteries if it drops below a threshold

[20:35:05]

wagnerrp:

sphery: there is no first or second cut

[20:35:09]

sphery:

and having a persistent popup on there would be annoying

[20:35:15]

wagnerrp:

that is not determined until you hit select a second time

[20:35:24]

sphery:

well, if it says "select second cut point", it has to know that I just did the first

[20:35:28]

wagnerrp:

you dont have to define it with the start first, and end second

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kormoc:

_shad, and your point is?

[20:35:34]

wagnerrp:

you can select the end first and start second

[20:35:46]

wagnerrp:

oh, i see what youre saying

[20:36:01]

wagnerrp:

you want a generic key binding at any time select is pressed

[20:36:01]

sphery:

yeah, saying I don't care to distinguish, so I need general words that work for both cases :)

[20:36:20]

_shad:

kormoc: It means that you don't need to replace them every 2 years if it is a quality battery

[20:36:21]

sphery:

or generic words to put on the screen to say, "something just happened"

[20:36:55]

sphery:

wagnerrp: remember all the "when you hit select the first time nothing happens" people (who, it turns out, were all using broken mythcenter-wide theme)

[20:37:03]

kormoc:

_shad, if you want the warrantee you do, if you want to make sure they don't bloat and spew smoke, you do...

[20:37:05]

sphery:

this is to help people notice that something happened

[20:37:45]

_shad:

kormoc: Batteries shouldn't do that no matter what :)

[20:37:48]

sphery:

i.e. the word "cut" in the editor OSD and the new marker aren't enough for some people to notice :)

[20:38:13]

kormoc:

_shad, physics disagree with you

[20:38:14]

_shad:

it. a good battery will just stop charging

[20:38:28]

sphery:

I'm very much leaning toward just saying, "New cut added." and letting someone else fix it if they don't like the words.

[20:38:38]

kormoc:

Nah, there's hundreds of different failures that prevent smart chargers from knowing exactly what's going on

[20:39:00]

kormoc:

luck of the draw if that condition is covered by the code

[20:39:05]

_shad:

kormoc: I agree with that point

[20:39:26]

_shad:

kormoc: but we're not talking about lithium batteries, we're talking about ups batteries :)

[20:39:27]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: thats why we screw batteries, and go with flywheels

[20:39:36]

wagnerrp:

mechanical storage ftw!

[20:39:39]

kormoc:

flywheels++

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_shad:

wagnerrp: : damn right

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kormoc:

_shad, same tech, different format

[20:40:17]

kormoc:

there's no physical sensors in that UPS to detect when the gas buildup in that battery is going beyond rated amounts

[20:40:34]

kormoc:

they're not covered in temp sensors to detect specific hot points

[20:40:35]

sphery:

kormoc: Speaking of smart chargers... Got a new battery for my phone. It was shipped with no charge (never been charged). My phone has a CPU-controlled smart charger, won't boot with charger connected if there's a dead battery, and turns off instantly if the battery is removed while charger is connected... So, I can't charge the battery without an external charger.

[20:40:42]

sphery:

stupid "smart"

[20:40:51]

kormoc:

sphery, awesome...

[20:40:52]

wagnerrp:

id honestly love to spend a few hundred, and get a flywheel UPS

[20:41:05]

_shad:

kormoc: Yes, but a perfect battery would not blow up, it would just not charge; correct?

[20:41:09]

wagnerrp:

would never go bad, would never start a fire, would always know exactly how much power was available in storage

[20:41:26]

sphery:

wagnerrp: save some money and just slather a wheel with honey

[20:41:42]

sphery:

after all, you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

[20:41:53]

kormoc:

_shad, negative. no matter how perfect a battery is, a sealed lead acid battery if current is flowing into it will eventually produce enough gas to crack and leak

[20:42:11]

wagnerrp:

its AC->AC through an induction motor, so no conversion losses to make it a live UPS

[20:42:23]

sphery:

wagnerrp: but don't the mechanical parts of a flywheel wear out?

[20:42:24]

_shad:

kormoc: Interesting.

[20:42:36]

pc600:

on ios fastethernet interfaces, do input errors include traffic for vlans not defined?

[20:43:25]

pc600:

wrong window, sorry.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: no, there are no moving parts that could wear out

[20:43:56]

wagnerrp:

maglev in a vacuum

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wagnerrp:

no direct contact friction

[20:44:19]

wagnerrp:

... just dont try to move it when its energized

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kormoc:

_shad, gas is a byproduct of the lead acid battery charging. You can't get away from that with that tech. Sealed batteries just store that gas up until it can't hold it anymore and then boom. There is no escaping that fact

[20:44:42]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, so your few hundred was talking about billions eh?

[20:46:29]

wagnerrp:

nah, vacuum chambers are cheap, especially considering you need the shell to contain an explosive failure

[20:46:54]

kormoc:

maglev of a really heavy flywheel is not

[20:47:08]

wagnerrp:

how heavy are you thinking?

[20:47:29]

wagnerrp:

even the couple hundred horsepower units for server farms are a few tens of thousands

[20:48:06]

** kormoc shrugs **

[20:48:20]

_shad:

kormoc: you made a pun, good job :)

[20:48:46]

wagnerrp:

even if it werent levitating, a properly greased electric motor will last for decades

[20:49:04]

kormoc:

it just seems a lot of cost to handle any decent weight in a maglev system that's spinning like that, cause you have to keep handling tidal forces to keep it from shimming into the side

[20:49:08]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: you backported the mythffmpeg to fixes? http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/20 . . . /076419.html why not wait until 0.25?

[20:49:09]

wagnerrp:

just have a hopper and an automated system that re-greases the bearings

[20:49:40]

Beirdo:

skd5aner: because nuvexport uses it, and there was no real reason i could think of not to

[20:50:17]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: np, just curious

[20:50:39]

_shad:

wagnerrp: rain barrels + gravity = energy ;)

[20:50:41]

kormoc:

if you have an answer to why, ask yourself why not. If there's no answer... Nuff said

[20:50:57]

kormoc:

_shad, drouth

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kormoc:

*that's entirely spelled wrong, still spellchecker

[20:51:17]

kormoc:

drought

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_shad:

ya

[20:51:35]

_shad:

Depends on where you live

[20:51:37]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: the only problem i could see with such a unit is you could never move it while energized

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ok, I'm convinced... with the new-style magnetic bearings, flywheels seem like a good way to go

[20:51:47]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, very true

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wagnerrp:

and you cant trust consumers not to do stupid crap like that

[20:52:22]

kormoc:

sphery, and you aim it at a house of someone you don't like, so if it fails, hopefully two birds with one stone...

[20:52:49]

sphery:

heh, yeah

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Beirdo:

sigh. more meetings

[20:57:21]

Beirdo:

might actually get real work done sometime

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sphery:

wonder if h7252 ever actually updated his mythweb to get what I'm pretty sure would have fixed the error he was seeing

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skd5aner:

wow... 3 days of changes took me 3+ hours :O

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skd5aner:

(... to put in the release notes)

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skd5aner:

must have been a very busy Dec 14–17

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sphery:

wow

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_shad:

Lucky day – another computer reboot and the system booted – time to backup sql :)

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uW:

guys..i'm looking for video card that does s-video out to a good old regular tv without any major tweaking..does anyone have any personal experience?

[21:55:30]

_shad:

nvidia :)

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_shad:

one that has current drivers

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sphery:

think it has to be old nvidia to get TV out, though

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wagnerrp:

mean 8 or 9 series

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uW:

_shad: good luck with that machine..

[21:56:04]

wagnerrp:

the 8 and 9 series have svideo outputs

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uW:

shery: thats what i wasn't 100% sure..

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_shad:

Using a 6200 series for inlaws

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_shad:

depends if you want vdpau

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uW:

LOL!! thats exactly who i was going to use it for

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_shad:

using a pci nvidia with vdpau for my bedroom

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wagnerrp:

svideo output on my 8400 looks so much better than my 6200

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uW:

i'm setting up a box for them...

[21:57:45]

_shad:

or just buy a vga -> svideo converter

[21:57:50]

_shad:

makes your life easier

[21:58:04]

wagnerrp:

expensive and poor quality

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uW:

yeah..i was if'y about those

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_shad:

depends on the brand

[21:58:48]

_shad:

if you want hd, then just replace the tv

[21:58:56]

_shad:

or buy a projector, that's what I did

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uW:

nah...they don't really care for it..

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wagnerrp:

projector/monitor/newtv

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_shad:

boxing day sales had cheap projectors for $250

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wagnerrp:

if you only need mythtv output, you can get a decent monitor fairly cheaply

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uW:

there old tv works and shhh..i don't think there eyes notice the hd difference.. ;)

[22:00:20]

_shad:

naw

[22:00:23]

uW:

wow only 250! thats awesome

[22:00:31]

_shad:

if they want HD, let them pay :)

[22:00:44]

quicksilver:

I have an old (upgraded) mythtv installation and everything is myisam. Is there any reason not to alter all tables to innodb?

[22:01:10]

_shad:

I recommend a projector if you can

[22:01:37]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: ^^^

[22:01:39]

_shad:

I chose bigger rather than better quality

[22:01:46]

sphery:

quicksilver: if you change anything about the DB schema, we won't guarantee that future upgrades will work

[22:01:47]

uW:

if the lights are on in the room how is it..

[22:01:54]

sphery:

that said, some user have switched to innodb

[22:02:06]

_shad:

uW: Depends on how many lumens the projector is

[22:02:29]

sphery:

and how bright the lights in the room are

[22:02:29]

blizzard_:

guys, where do I create new recording groups?

[22:02:39]

sphery:

and the screen reflectivity

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sphery:

and ...

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sphery:

:)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i know kormoc is using innodb for at least a good portion of his database

[22:02:45]

_shad:

yea

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, pretty sure he converted it all

[22:03:02]

wagnerrp:

but then i would trust him to know what to do should anything ever go wrong

[22:03:06]

sphery:

wagnerrp: but then again, I have a feeling if we needed...

[22:03:08]

sphery:

yeah

[22:03:19]

quicksilver:

sphery: is innodb not the default even for new installations? I thought it was now

[22:03:29]

quicksilver:

sphery: it's annoying having broken tables if the power gets knocked.

[22:03:30]

sphery:

also, there /are/ differences in the way some commands are handled for different engines

[22:03:34]

sphery:

which could cause problems

[22:03:38]

wagnerrp:

no, we switched from latin-1 to utf-8

[22:03:41]

wagnerrp:

not to innodb

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sphery:

quicksilver: innodb does not become the default until MySQL 5.5--which we don't support, yet

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sphery:

quicksilver: and it's possible our DB update/creation will change to include ENGINE

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kormoc:

quicksilver, assuming you know what you're doing and you're not tracking head faster then I am, innodb should work fine but should be considered unsupported

[22:04:40]

sphery:

eventually we will go to innodb, but it's hard to do when a good portion of users are running on distros that disable innodb to save 40MB RAM

[22:04:42]

kormoc:

sphery, it should until we 'officially' support innodb

[22:04:50]

sphery:

kormoc: should say ENGINE?

[22:04:55]

kormoc:

sphery, Aye

[22:05:14]

kormoc:

and luckly engines fall back to myisam by 'default' if innodb is disabled

[22:05:15]

sphery:

I was actually planning on sending an e-mail to ask about including that and getting rid of IF NOT EXISTS (in all but one location)

[22:05:26]

sphery:

glad to know I'll have at least one person agree :)

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sphery:

I modified the init-db-schema-retrieval command to include ENGINE, but I haven't done a schema rollup, yet

[22:06:12]

kormoc:

quicksilver, keep in mind, default innodb settings will likely give you worse performance then myisam, so unless you're willing to tune it at least a little, it's not a good idea

[22:06:16]

sphery:

just need to get signoff on including engine before I do

[22:06:40]

quicksilver:

kormoc, sphery, wagnerrp : OK, thanks. Maybe I'll hold off.

[22:06:59]

quicksilver:

not tracking HEAD at all, I'm still on 0.21

[22:06:59]

sphery:

kormoc: interesting... I supposed we'll need to hire you for helping tune performance when we do the switch

[22:07:07]

jcarlos:

I have configured mythtv-backend to use ONLY a grabber XML to get the program guide, but I see a "Use on air guide" in each channel in the "Channel Editor" of mythtv-setup. What is the usefullness of this option in my configuration ?

[22:07:31]

kormoc:

sphery, most distros use the tiny mysql example config. it's pretty hideous performance wise

[22:07:31]

_shad:

uw: 8400 GS PCI, does 1x and 2x, and has a svideo port <---- What I am using in my bedroom, with VGA instead of svideo

[22:07:46]

wagnerrp:

1x and 2x what?

[22:07:50]

_shad:

vdpau

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wagnerrp:

does not compute

[22:07:58]

_shad:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU

[22:08:05]

_shad:

one field and bob

[22:08:08]

_shad:

sorry

[22:08:09]

_shad:

heh

[22:08:10]

wagnerrp:

ok

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sphery:

kormoc: huh, wonder if that holds true for MyISAM, too--I've noticed that mine (using medium) seems to be orders of magnitude faster than many other users'

[22:08:37]

uW:

_shad: cool thanks! i'll give it a shot..

[22:08:44]

_shad:

uw: it's very cheap too

[22:08:45]

sphery:

if so, we should get mythbuntu and other mythtv-distros (or packagers) to update it...

[22:09:17]

** tgm4883 looks at backlog to see what sphery wants **

[22:09:24]

uW:

_shad: i'll let u knw how it goes with svideo

[22:09:29]

wagnerrp:

well if you dont need svideo and PCI, a GT210 is a much better card and just as cheap

[22:09:31]

kormoc:

sphery, aye, it would

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_shad:

uw: make sure it's the pci, not the pci express

[22:09:34]

uW:

_shad: i love cheap!

[22:09:46]

_shad:

wagnerrp: depends how old the system is

[22:09:56]

uW:

_shad: ahhhh ok

[22:09:58]

sphery:

tgm4883: kormoc was saying that many distros uses the tiny mysql example config... I've noticed that *buntu users seem to have terrible MySQL performance compared to mine (where I use the medium config)

[22:09:58]

_shad:

if it doesn't have PCI-E, he has to use AGP

[22:10:02]

_shad:

err PCI

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wagnerrp:

"<wagnerrp> if you dont need svideo and PCI"

[22:10:07]

_shad:

because no vdpau cards are agp

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tgm4883:

sphery, whats the downside of medium over tiny?

[22:10:30]

sphery:

tgm4883: I haven't conclusively proven that it's due to the mysql config, but really, it's on the order of 10x or so

[22:10:30]

jcarlos:

sphery: I have configured mythtv-backend to use ONLY a grabber XML to get the program guide, but I see a "Use on air guide" in each channel in the "Channel Editor" of mythtv-setup. What is the usefullness of this option in my configuration ?

[22:10:30]

_shad:

wagnerrp: he said he needs svideo

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kormoc:

tgm4883, uses another say 50 megabytes of memory

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sphery:

tgm4883: for the most part--AFAIU--more meomry usage

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tgm4883:

ok

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_shad:

bbl, gotta pick up kids from daycare

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wagnerrp:

_shad: right, im saying the ONLY reason to get an 8400 at this point is for analog tv outputs

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uW:

wagnerrp: yeah i'm going with svideo

[22:11:09]

_shad:

wagnerrp: yea

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** _shad is away **

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blizzard_:

the "create new recording group" was a well hiddem gem... any way of password/code protecting it?

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sphery:

tgm4883: don't know if it's even possible to modify mysql config as a result of mythbackend package installation or if it could only be done on mythbuntu distro install or ..., but it seems that it would make MythTV /much/ better for a lot of users

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uW:

awesome guys! thanks!

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sphery:

performance wise, that is

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** quicksilver consideres upgrading to 0.24 **

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tgm4883:

sphery, i'll chat with superm1 about it and test on my home setup

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tgm4883:

any benchmarks I can do for that?

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sphery:

quicksilver: it's definitely worth upgrading to 0.23 or 0.24 versus sticking with 0.21

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sphery:

kormoc: any ideas on benchmarks/testing he can do?

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wagnerrp:

because honestly, if youre doing it because you need PCI, its just time to upgrade your computer

[22:13:27]

sphery:

tgm4883: and, btw, thanks--you're /always/ extremely fast to respond!

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kormoc:

tgm4883, allow the scheduler to run say 5 times, average those runs with my-small.cnf, my-medium.con and my-large.cnf, huge is way too much for the majorty of our users... looking at large right now

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tgm4883:

kormoc, ah, so scheduler performance then

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wagnerrp:

what does tiny/small/large do anyway?

[22:14:36]

kormoc:

tgm4883, that's a easy way to do a quick benchmark

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sphery:

tgm4883: and if you feel like putting some results on the wiki (or in a text file that one of us could transfer to the wiki), that would be awesome

[22:14:41]

tgm4883:

would this also include running mythfilldatabase?

[22:14:41]

iamlindoro:

ask your girlfriend

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iamlindoro:

BAM!

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, mainly key-buffer size and some sort buffers

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tgm4883:

cause that seems to take forever

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wagnerrp:

blizzard_: mythtv does not really have any sort of user mode

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kormoc:

tgm4883, not sure actually. Depends on where the bottleneck is

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wagnerrp:

the closest youll get is a parental PIN for some of the mythvideo stuff

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kormoc:

large would be useful for folks with multiple tuners and lots of channels

[22:15:40]

kormoc:

medium is fine for single tuner I'd say

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, http://fts.ifac.cnr.it/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share . . . my-large.cnf

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, change large to medium or small (or huge)

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quicksilver:

sphery: well, you know it is; if it works, you don't try to fix it ;)

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I admit to still being on 0.23-fixes... have been considering upgrading to 0.24-fixes for the last couple weeks

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sphery:

only problem is time

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sphery:

tgm4883 and wagnerrp : In case you weren't sure which small/medium/large/huge configs we were talking about: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mysql/mysql-serv . . . pport-files/

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tgm4883:

sphery, is that something you guys came up with or is it the same that is in the examples folder that ships with mysql-server

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sphery:

that's the one in the support-files folder in mysql-server

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wagnerrp:

i assume with embedded mysql, we would get to control all of that?

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sphery:

FWIW, I've always used medium for MythTV, but I've never actually benchmarked the different ones

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yep. :)

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tgm4883:

sphery, not sure we can make that a default as it would affect the entire server, but we could likely do that for mythbuntu installs plus make it available in MCC

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sphery:

wagnerrp: though I'm becoming somewhat hesitant about the embedded mysql switch... jams mentioned that in his previous experience with embedded mysql, it tends to eat the DB

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sphery:

tgm4883: yeah, that's what I figured--that there'd be some courtesy-type rules that say mythtv shouldn't change mysql server config... if nothing else, making it easy for users to choose to switch to it, would be wonderful

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sphery:

then again, maybe you could convince the mysql packagers that small is too small :)

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tgm4883:

sphery, yea, the one thing that might allow us to do it is this line

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tgm4883:

# – "/etc/mysql/my.cnf" to set global options,

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tgm4883:

# – "~/.my.cnf" to set user-specific options.

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tgm4883:

we might be able to make it user specific for the mythtv user

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wagnerrp:

sphery: by the way, turns out that user wasnt even making a howto for mythbuntu

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sphery:

tgm4883: but since the mysql server is run by the mysql user...

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wagnerrp:

it was for using the mythbuntu packages on a normal ubuntu install

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sphery:

since it's actually the server that needs the changes, not the client

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tgm4883:

sphery, ah right

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, I still don't get why so many mythtv users set up ubuntu then install mythtv versus just using mythbuntu

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tgm4883:

sphery, because xfce is sooooo much more difficult than gnome

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tgm4883:

I don't really get it either

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tgm4883:

Had I known that would have been how things went, we would have stuck with openbox

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sphery:

how much difference is there between kubuntu, xubuntu, and ubuntu?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: because it works so much better every time, 60% of the time

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kormoc:

could be enough to just recommend they cp /usr/share/mysql/what/not/my-medium.cnf /etc/my.cnf && /etc/init.d/mysqld restart

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tgm4883:

sphery, just default packages/DE

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sphery:

if you installed ubuntu and then added xfce and set it as default, would that basically be the same as xubuntu?

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tgm4883:

sphery, yep

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sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

sphery, and remove gnome!

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tgm4883:

well, actually you would want to install xubuntu-desktop, which is a metapackage that would pull in other default packages for xubuntu

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tgm4883:

like thunar

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sphery:

I have a feeling that many of the users who start with Ubuntu and then add mythtv think that starting with mythbuntu would somehow make their system a mythtv-only system or something

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wagnerrp:

i know why it is, its because mythbuntu removes their delicious pulseaudio

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sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

ooh, and we know that can't happen!

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sphery:

isn't it still there, now?

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tgm4883:

sphery, AFAIK,no

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: i thought a normal mythbuntu install didnt even have it

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sphery:

ah, thought it was in new mythbuntu

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tgm4883:

we dont' have it

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

probably better that way

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jduggan:

/win 25

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sphery:

/lose 50

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sphery:

:)

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jduggan:

hehe

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a1fa:

thanks

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sphery:

kormoc: heh, sorry--wouldn't have made the joke about my typo/accent if I realized that was dev channel

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kormoc:

heh, tis okay, I actually don't mind, just trying to keep the sleeping beasts happy

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swerve_:

so the mythtv keybindings for the media library went back to 'd'd for delete instead of 'i' with all the options?

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swerve_:

in 0.24

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sphery:

pretty sure the menu entry still exists

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sphery:

but you likely need to scroll

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swerve_:

just when i get used to one way, they change it back!

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sphery:

though maybe it was removed because it was too easy...

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swerve_:

also having major errors in mythweb, not sure what's wrong

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sphery:

swerve_: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 63989#463989

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sphery:

which means that's post 0.24, if I'm reading it correctly

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swerve_:

okay – thanks

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sphery:

so in 0.24, you just need to scroll (hit up)

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swerve_:

i just saw something that there is a bug in debian mythweb, so will have to check that out

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swerve_:

it's really screwed up!

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

there's only one bug in mythweb?

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kormoc:

the ticket list disagrees with that assessment

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sphery:

heh

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mattwj20021:

hi all

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mattwj2002:

man I want a booster and another HDHomeRun

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mattwj2002:

:D

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kormoc:

so get one?

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mattwj2002:

I probably will eventually

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wagnerrp:

mega python vs. gatoroid.... its like theyre trying to make movies as ridiculous as possible

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mattwj2002:

I actually want the Hdhomerun Dual

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sphery:

mattwj2002: I hear Thiokol is likely to have extra booster production capacity...

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wagnerrp:

mattwj2002: erm... dont you already have one?

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mattwj2002:

an HDHomeRun?

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mattwj2002:

yeah I do

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wagnerrp:

you did say 'another'

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wagnerrp:

and unless you bought the blue one, you have a 'dual'

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mattwj2002:

oh

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