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| [00:06:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I've done what I'm willing to do for http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9389 --the rest is all in Python code. Would you prefer I push it off on paul-h or see if I can push him toward using your bindings-based conversion patch? |
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| [00:06:33] | sphery: | I have a feeling if it's the latter, he'll want you to handle it. |
| [00:07:20] | sphery: | there's a patch that continues the direct-db-access approach used before on the ticket, so likely that would go into 0.24 and your new bindings-conversion would be for 0.25pre |
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| [00:20:43] | wagnerrp: | sphery: honestly, i would hold off on the conversion to the bindings |
| [00:21:06] | wagnerrp: | at least until you get the database rework in, and i get the bindings fixed to support them |
| [00:22:00] | sphery: | well, if that's the case, then I'll have to rewrite all of that python code to use the new schema |
| [00:22:18] | sphery: | i.e. whatever direct-db-access code we have, I have to rewrite |
| [00:23:02] | sphery: | or maybe you meant change to it as part of the recordedfile schema transition |
| [00:23:13] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [00:23:39] | wagnerrp: | with or without my patch, its going to have to get reworked after the schema transition |
| [00:23:42] | sphery: | ah, that would work--and save me a lot of trouble |
| [00:24:08] | sphery: | yeah, I just don't like the direct-access code in principle, so I liked the idea of removing some of it |
| [00:24:45] | sphery: | I even considered asking the reporter to rewrite the code to use mythcommflag --getcutlist |
| [00:25:06] | sphery: | but I have a feeling someone will say, "It needs to work even when mythcommflag isn't installed" |
| [00:25:25] | wagnerrp: | when would mythcommflag ever not be installed? |
| [00:25:32] | wagnerrp: | we certainly dont support such a configuration |
| [00:25:37] | sphery: | when some user does a frontend only install |
| [00:25:42] | sphery: | thanks to packages |
| [00:25:48] | wagnerrp: | doesnt matter |
| [00:25:56] | sphery: | not to me, but... |
| [00:26:44] | wagnerrp: | when you start the transition, just alter the configure to prevent mytharchive from building |
| [00:26:53] | wagnerrp: | ill update the bindings to support the changes |
| [00:27:04] | wagnerrp: | and then update mythburn.py to support the bindings and the new schema |
| [00:27:19] | wagnerrp: | toss the patch over to paul-h for review |
| [00:27:31] | wagnerrp: | then we can re-enable compilation |
| [00:27:45] | sphery: | I'm trying to decide whether to work in a branch with you or if we can coordinate without a branch |
| [00:28:02] | sphery: | I guess we can decide when we're actually ready to work on it |
| [00:28:20] | sphery: | I like that plan, though |
| [00:28:31] | wagnerrp: | im content to leave the bindings broken for weeks until i get around to fixing them |
| [00:28:49] | wagnerrp: | its the development branch, if you use it, you should expect things to be in various states of broken |
| [00:28:53] | sphery: | works for me--we call it unstable/development for a reason |
| [00:28:59] | sphery: | yep |
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| [00:29:17] | sphery: | and should plan upgrades appropriately |
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| [00:46:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: What did you use to split your DVD series collection into individual Series/Episode files? |
| [00:46:22] | iamlindoro: | DVDs? *Shudder* ;) |
| [00:46:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Ah, you did BluRay or HD-DVD, eh? doh! |
| [00:46:52] | iamlindoro: | I used AnyDVD HD, some browsing and studying of the individual title files to find the TV shows, though |
| [00:47:12] | iamlindoro: | For DVD, Handbrake should do a nice job since you can browse the titles |
| [00:48:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | I was just curious... I think I'll leave my 24 discs as-is – 6 discs titled "24 Season 8 Disc 1" (through 6) – it's just that the artwork doesn't get downloaded automatically, so I'll have to enter the number manually. ;-) |
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| [00:59:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Ok, worked out a decent solution... ;-) Renamed the Title to just "24 SEASON 8", then retrieved the Artwork, then Edited the Subtitle to "Disc 1 (4:00pm – 8:00pm)" – works for me. ;-) |
| [00:59:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... and just repeated for the other 5 discs... |
| [01:00:40] | sphery: | DVDs are just like BluRay, but with DRM that doesn't require waiting for a vendor firmware update for your STB player after they change the encryption keys/scheme in response to compromise |
| [01:00:44] | sphery: | ;) |
| [01:00:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: yeah, and 1/2 the resolution... doh! |
| [01:01:06] | sphery: | (in other words, I'll take low-res, low-bitrate DVD over Blu-Ray's DRM, any day) |
| [01:01:19] | sphery: | and low-frame-rate, too |
| [01:01:35] | ** wagnerrp paid $80 such that he only has to take the blu-ray DRM once ** | |
| [01:02:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, I plan on doing the same soon myself... when I get the tax return back... ;-) |
| [01:03:03] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: too late, i think they stopped offering lifetime licenses |
| [01:03:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you still need updates--you just wait for SlySoft, instead of your STB vendor |
| [01:03:39] | sphery: | granted, SlySoft is likely much more responsive, but still... |
| [01:03:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: last time I checked, they still had it, but it was almost 2x as much as in December... :-( |
| [01:03:51] | sphery: | they did cancel lifetime--you can only do yearly, now |
| [01:03:59] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, and i get nagged for a reboot twice a week |
| [01:04:13] | sphery: | and, btw, I'm /still/ amazed that that company hasn't been sued out of existence, yet |
| [01:04:30] | iamlindoro: | Antigua |
| [01:04:39] | iamlindoro: | It's one of those countries that doesn't have to read the mailing list rules ;) |
| [01:05:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: They still have a lifetime license for 109 EUR – or $147.92 usd... |
| [01:05:16] | wagnerrp: | unlike finland |
| [01:05:41] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:06:46] | wagnerrp: | seriously, they enacted an amendment in 2005 that made such downloading illegal |
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| [01:06:59] | wagnerrp: | following a directive made by the EU in 2001 |
| [01:07:23] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:07:51] | iamlindoro: | DON'T YOU LIBEL ME |
| [01:07:56] | iamlindoro: | DON'T YOU DO IT |
| [01:08:22] | sphery: | but, wagnerrp, "How do you know that my content is illegal? I have 1215 DVD videos and 342 blueraydisks on the self. How many you have? I have ripped most of them to hard disk, but I don't count them illegal." ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/469165#469165 )... which was followed by, "I can't see the second picture the OP posted, maybe he took it down." ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/469307#469307 ) |
| [01:09:06] | sphery: | wonder why he took down the picture showing the list of not-illegal-files that he just happened to name the same as torrent files |
| [01:09:40] | iamlindoro: | You know, that's what's wrong with you Myth devs |
| [01:09:47] | iamlindoro: | jumping to conclusion just because someone hides the evidence |
| [01:09:56] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:11:17] | wagnerrp: | sphery: apparently he doesnt have Shrek on the shelf |
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| [01:11:34] | iamlindoro: | He was just trying that one out |
| [01:11:36] | wagnerrp: | or rather 'Shrek Nordic', whatever that is |
| [01:11:37] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, ooh, he does, just might be on a recordable media |
| [01:11:39] | iamlindoro: | just to see how it felt |
| [01:11:45] | iamlindoro: | just the tip |
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| [01:12:26] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, I presume a copy with various subtitles? |
| [01:14:11] | sphery: | perhaps that was just how he named files so he knew which to watch while on his Nordic Track |
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| [01:14:16] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: oh, not the one where the vikings pillage the kingdom and use shrek's scalp for a hat? |
| [01:14:29] | sphery: | Then there's Toy.Story.Bowflex |
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| [01:19:56] | wagnerrp: | kormoc_afk: hes saying he spent 7 months less time recording, but has a higher percentage of time spent recording |
| [01:20:01] | wagnerrp: | because he has fewer tuner cards |
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| [01:24:21] | sphery: | heh, sorry about trac spam... I forgot about infoneeded |
| [01:26:58] | sphery: | kormoc_afk (and wagnerrp): i.e. because of Udo's completely broken logic in http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5262 |
| [01:27:09] | sphery: | in [17425] |
| [01:27:09] | MythLogBot: | SVN 17425: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/commit/fa1682df |
| [01:27:18] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [01:28:06] | sphery: | time/tuner makes no sense because when you add a new tuner, it changes your historical percentage |
| [01:28:11] | sphery: | plus, it's pretty meaningless |
| [01:28:26] | sphery: | time vs real time makes perfect sense |
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| [01:30:53] | wagnerrp: | it makes absolute sense |
| [01:31:01] | wagnerrp: | no one cares how active their tuners have been |
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| [01:31:20] | wagnerrp: | they care about how much time they are going to have to spend to watch all their recordings |
| [01:31:36] | sphery: | exactly |
| [01:31:39] | wagnerrp: | youre not going to watch more than one thing at a time |
| [01:32:03] | wagnerrp: | unless youre doing something like udo |
| [01:32:14] | sphery: | and time spent recording of 400% means that you'll be watching TV for 4x as long as you've had your MythTV system |
| [01:32:17] | wagnerrp: | and recording everything, all the time, with no intention of ever watching them |
| [01:32:23] | wagnerrp: | but then if youre not doing it for personal use |
| [01:32:33] | wagnerrp: | why do you even care about those statisttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttics |
| [01:32:51] | sphery: | agreed |
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| [01:37:35] | m4xx|home: | i'm not sure if this is a mythtv problem or a driver problem, but when i set my tuner type to 65 i'm able to watch tv but the audio is off, if i let my tuner be auto detected as 85 i get a kernel panic |
| [01:37:46] | m4xx|home: | yet if i test with mplayer i dont get a panic |
| [01:38:29] | sphery: | 65 |
| [01:38:51] | sphery: | that being when you do a modprobe of your tuner module? |
| [01:38:57] | m4xx|home: | yes |
| [01:39:03] | iamlindoro: | MythTV doesn't have the capacity to kernel panic, only your driver does |
| [01:39:24] | tmkt: | quick question where did my PBP go? is it not available in VDPAU? |
| [01:39:31] | m4xx|home: | any idea why mplayer would work and not mythtv? |
| [01:39:45] | iamlindoro: | mplayer uses a far more limited set of the API features |
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| [01:45:55] | wagnerrp: | PBP? |
| [01:46:11] | iamlindoro: | picture by picture |
| [01:46:16] | m4xx|home: | http://paste2.org/p/1210285 |
| [01:46:25] | wagnerrp: | VDPAU has never supported PBP |
| [01:46:25] | m4xx|home: | that's the log, is that a driver issue? |
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| [01:46:49] | iamlindoro: | m4xx|home, If it's kernel panicing, it's a driver issue |
| [01:46:57] | darkdrgn2k: | ok im having some problems compiling trunk. |
| [01:46:57] | iamlindoro: | MythTv *cannot* cause a kernel panic |
| [01:46:58] | darkdrgn2k: | mythdisplay.cpp: In static member function âstatic DisplayInfo MythDisplay::GetDisplayInfo(int)â: |
| [01:46:58] | darkdrgn2k: | mythdisplay.cpp:105: error: âMythXDisplayâ was not declared in this scope |
| [01:47:07] | wagnerrp: | tmkt: VDPAU is only capable of one simultaneous stream |
| [01:47:08] | m4xx|home: | i think that's a kernel panic |
| [01:47:31] | wagnerrp: | m4xx|home: you will never see a kernel panic in any logs |
| [01:47:32] | iamlindoro: | That is your driver crashing |
| [01:47:36] | iamlindoro: | it's a driver problem |
| [01:47:41] | wagnerrp: | by definition, the kernel has panicked |
| [01:47:46] | wagnerrp: | it can no longer log to anything |
| [01:48:12] | m4xx|home: | thanks =] |
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| [01:50:15] | darkdrgn2k: | anyone? compile error? |
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| [01:51:16] | wagnerrp: | m4xx|home: when you have a kernel panic, the whole system goes down |
| [01:51:26] | wagnerrp: | and often, your numlock and scrolllock start blinking |
| [01:51:50] | m4xx|home: | then it wasn't a kernel panic, i could still ctrl+alt+f1 to another term |
| [01:52:11] | darkdrgn2k: | m4xx|home: perhasp you ment kernel dump LOL |
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| [01:52:26] | m4xx|home: | sry, i'm kind of a nub |
| [01:53:21] | wagnerrp: | darkdrgn2k: nah, it was just a crash of a single kernel module |
| [01:54:04] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp: hmm doesnt that normaly yeild a dump? |
| [01:54:22] | wagnerrp: | no, a single module can go down without taking the whole kernel with it |
| [01:55:17] | darkdrgn2k: | i though kernel dumps didnt kill the whole kernel to.. |
| [01:55:43] | m4xx|home: | anyone happen to know what i can use for a tuner type for my hvr 1600? 65 semi worked, but audio would be off after a while |
| [01:56:10] | m4xx|home: | no one seems to be awake in linuxtv |
| [01:56:18] | wagnerrp: | m4xx|home: i dont think there is any reason to need to set the tuner type for the 1600 |
| [01:56:36] | m4xx|home: | when i auto detect it goes to 85, which crashes |
| [01:56:38] | m4xx|home: | =[ |
| [01:59:07] | sphery: | so glad that the user I infoneeded replied back that the issue is fixed... now that I've closed a ticket today, I can have dinner. :) |
| [02:05:10] | darkdrgn2k: | any idea on my compile issue |
| [02:06:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: No, but if you're looking to build a usable non-development system, I'd suggest switching to the fixes/0.24 branch. |
| [02:09:12] | iamlindoro: | sounds like broken configure options to me-- specifically, sounds like USING_X11 isn't getting defined-- so either you're missing dependencies or your've run configure improperly |
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| [02:26:04] | wedgeshot: | Hey all... |
| [02:28:05] | darkdrgn2k: | iamlindoro: hmm wierd i'v compiled .24 when it was trunk on the same installation before.. |
| [02:28:21] | darkdrgn2k: | J-e-f-f-A: the main server is trunk so i cant run the FE as .24 |
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| [02:30:09] | darkdrgn2k: | any new X depencies since .24? |
| [02:30:20] | iamlindoro: | no |
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| [02:30:55] | darkdrgn2k: | then if .24 compiled .25 should to :-S |
| [02:31:16] | darkdrgn2k: | ill try a fresh GIT |
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| [02:31:54] | iamlindoro: | There is not .25, and current master compiles fine |
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| [02:32:09] | iamlindoro: | Are you on an ancient gcc or anything like that? |
| [02:33:22] | darkdrgn2k: | gcc version 4.4.4 20100630 (Red Hat 4.4.4–10) (GCC) |
| [02:33:51] | iamlindoro: | 4.4.4 is fine, it compiles head properly here |
| [02:34:00] | darkdrgn2k: | sorry i ment trunk (or whatever git now calls it) |
| [02:34:08] | sphery: | darkdrgn2k: also, I don't remember details, but there was some commit that went across that was related to USING_X11 on Mac OS X |
| [02:34:08] | iamlindoro: | head or master |
| [02:34:09] | darkdrgn2k: | iamlindoro: i compiled it eralier today on my backend fine to.. |
| [02:34:16] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 67841#467841 |
| [02:34:22] | darkdrgn2k: | sphery: not a mac |
| [02:34:25] | sphery: | guess that wouldn't be you, though |
| [02:34:29] | sphery: | yeah, just saw the red had |
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| [02:34:46] | darkdrgn2k: | LOL yeh |
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| [02:34:54] | darkdrgn2k: | fedora actualy but meh.. same stuff |
| [02:35:02] | darkdrgn2k: | thanx for the heads no non the less |
| [02:35:12] | darkdrgn2k: | gawd i hate compiling on an atom LOL |
| [02:35:28] | wagnerrp: | be honest, s/compiling on// |
| [02:35:34] | [R]: | haha |
| [02:35:43] | darkdrgn2k: | :-P |
| [02:36:00] | darkdrgn2k: | meh its just a little settop fe .... |
| [02:36:05] | darkdrgn2k: | hell it pxe boots of the network :-D |
| [02:36:13] | darkdrgn2k: | didnt even bless it with its own hd |
| [02:36:27] | [R]: | so i switched themes |
| [02:36:32] | [R]: | i'm using some Forest thing or whatever its called |
| [02:36:34] | [R]: | it rocks my socks off |
| [02:37:55] | darkdrgn2k: | hey stupid question, would it matter if a ran the make on a differnt processor :-P |
| [02:38:15] | [R]: | of course not |
| [02:38:20] | [R]: | assuming you know what you are doing |
| [02:38:43] | darkdrgn2k: | well if i chrooted it into the root of the atom's drive and ran the MAKE right from there. WOuld that be eought? |
| [02:39:14] | ** [R] rephrases his "know what you are doing" line ** | |
| [02:39:43] | darkdrgn2k: | ? |
| [02:40:04] | [R]: | that's not a mythtv question |
| [02:40:23] | darkdrgn2k: | not directly no.... |
| [02:40:30] | [R]: | not at all related |
| [02:40:43] | darkdrgn2k: | its related to the fact im compiling myth.. |
| [02:40:52] | darkdrgn2k: | but hoenstly i wasnt expecting an ansswer on that fact :) |
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| [02:42:00] | darkdrgn2k: | yay configure finally finished.. |
| [02:42:03] | darkdrgn2k: | ok of we go compiling |
| [02:42:22] | wagnerrp: | i dont even think my P3 laptop is that slow |
| [02:42:47] | JEDIDIAH__: | JeffA... Generally you can gauge the content on DVDs and BDs by runtime or size. lsdvd is handy for this. It spits out the relevant title information and you can automate based on that. |
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| [03:17:06] | wagnerrp: | someone needs to be shot for those kia hampster ads |
| [03:17:46] | BLZbubba: | are these kinds of messages a bug in the channel scanner: Could not find channel 24_1 in TVCT |
| [03:18:34] | iamlindoro: | No |
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| [03:19:53] | JEDIDIAH__: | they are not the worst thing... those hamsters. |
| [03:20:20] | BLZbubba: | do i want to read from the source, or scan, or both? |
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| [03:21:00] | iamlindoro: | Since presumably you are using a digital tuner, you want to scan, and that's it |
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| [03:24:49] | BLZbubba: | ok that's what i did. is there a typical cause of the "Could not find channel" message? |
| [03:24:58] | iamlindoro: | It's not an error |
| [03:25:08] | iamlindoro: | It's diagnostic output |
| [03:25:11] | iamlindoro: | don't worry about it |
| [03:25:34] | BLZbubba: | most of my scheduled shows aren't recording because of it though |
| [03:25:55] | iamlindoro: | The above message has nothing to do with your shows not recording |
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| [03:26:19] | iamlindoro: | you *may* need to clear your source and rescan from scratch if channels have moved, however |
| [03:30:03] | BLZbubba: | maybe my antenna is 90 degrees off again, i'd better check that first |
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| [03:31:25] | BLZbubba: | i'll bet that was it |
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| [03:34:08] | BLZbubba: | i have a 2nd machine upstairs that came with a tuner and is getting a good HD signal. is it possible and/or easy to have it record to the primary master's storage group? |
| [03:35:06] | BLZbubba: | this machine may not be on all the time so i'd prefer that it not have its own sg |
| [03:35:15] | wagnerrp: | add it as a slave backend, mount the master's storage directories to the same place on the slave using NFS |
| [03:35:19] | BLZbubba: | if possible. not a huge deal if that is the only way to do it |
| [03:35:54] | BLZbubba: | ok cool, i'll give that a try, thanks |
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| [03:44:06] | BLZbubba: | hmm it went for about 45 seconds and then silently stopped recording. weird |
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| [04:01:56] | darkdrgn2k: | hey how come graphite and some other themes where taken out of the mail repo? |
| [04:02:30] | wagnerrp: | mail repo? |
| [04:02:35] | darkdrgn2k: | main |
| [04:02:39] | darkdrgn2k: | (sorry random pc lag) |
| [04:02:51] | darkdrgn2k: | possibly even brain lag |
| [04:02:59] | darkdrgn2k: | my main i ment the myththeme repo |
| [04:03:03] | wagnerrp: | decision made by the author |
| [04:03:31] | darkdrgn2k: | iamlindoro: out of curiosity how come? |
| [04:04:21] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp: any reasons you guys moved away from svn? |
| [04:05:31] | wagnerrp: | several devs wanted it, the rest were either indifferent, or didnt vocally oppose it |
| [04:06:02] | darkdrgn2k: | well seeing how the kernel moved that way to..... although it seems ever few years a new repo manager comes around |
| [04:06:20] | darkdrgn2k: | virst cvs, then SVN now git... LOL |
| [04:06:24] | darkdrgn2k: | just got used to SVN damit :-P |
| [04:06:36] | wagnerrp: | the kernel uses git in a completely different manner than we do |
| [04:07:25] | darkdrgn2k: | you mean for patching right? |
| [04:07:52] | wagnerrp: | with the kernel, only a select few have commit rights |
| [04:08:12] | wagnerrp: | everyone runs their own personal branch, and cherry picks out of others' |
| [04:08:26] | darkdrgn2k: | ahhh |
| [04:08:40] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to mythtv, which is largely a free-for-all |
| [04:09:01] | wagnerrp: | git makes sense if you intend to work on a large number of independent branches |
| [04:09:07] | Milamber75: | You should check out Linus Torvalds on Google Tech Talk trashing both CVS and SVN. Precious. |
| [04:09:16] | wagnerrp: | which means it is designed for a significantly different mode of operation than cvs and svn |
| [04:09:33] | Milamber75: | Only he can stand in front of a bunch of braniacs at Google and call them "stupid". |
| [04:09:34] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp: yeh i see how that could be |
| [04:10:52] | darkdrgn2k: | HAHA "most of you have already heard of linus torval, for thost of you who havent you are those ppl with macentoshis in their laptops" lmao |
| [04:11:11] | Milamber75: | Oh yeah. That's the one. |
| [04:11:22] | darkdrgn2k: | yep flaged it for tomorrow (hour long LOL) |
| [04:11:34] | Milamber75: | He wrote GIT in a week, I think. |
| [04:11:43] | wagnerrp: | im watching a show, and theyre torturing someone by drowning them in cold water |
| [04:12:04] | wagnerrp: | you shove someone's face in ice cold water, their body shuts down as a reaction |
| [04:12:14] | wagnerrp: | you can easily hold your breath for several minutes |
| [04:12:51] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp: usualy your first instict when you hit cold water is GASP... |
| [04:13:16] | darkdrgn2k: | HAHAH WWCVSND (what would CVS Not Do) lol |
| [04:13:45] | Milamber75: | My favorite is when he literally tells the SVN supporters "you're stupid" from the stage. |
| [04:13:47] | darkdrgn2k: | tarbals and patches :) much superior then cvs ... |
| [04:14:09] | darkdrgn2k: | "SVN is the most pointless project ever started" |
| [04:14:35] | Milamber75: | I acutually downloaded that vid and play it every so often for comedic value. |
| [04:14:48] | darkdrgn2k: | ok anyway im off have a good night guys.. thanx |
| [04:15:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | darkdrgn2k, Arclight and Graphite are still available in the Theme Chooser (aka Theme Downloader) screen in mythfrontend. There are also some other themes in there which are not in the official git repositories either. |
| [04:16:30] | darkdrgn2k: | Captain_Murdoch: good to know.. thanx |
| [04:16:42] | Captain_Murdoch: | yw. |
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| [04:22:32] | kormoc: | And people wonder why Linus isn't loved unconditionally... "My work flow is the only one that matters!" |
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| [05:19:19] | Beirdo: | oh wow |
| [05:19:26] | Beirdo: | this LP is older than I am |
| [05:20:03] | Beirdo: | Chicago V |
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| [05:23:20] | wagnerrp: | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4 . . . lverizon.jpg |
| [05:25:10] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:25:30] | Beirdo: | Harry's Law... I think it's set in Cincinatti, no? |
| [05:25:53] | wagnerrp: | ooh, even better... http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4 . . . lnetflix.jpg |
| [05:26:52] | wagnerrp: | erm... donno |
| [05:27:10] | wagnerrp: | ive been avoiding it |
| [05:27:15] | wagnerrp: | i dont like kathy bates |
| [05:28:57] | wagnerrp: | i think she played a crazed woman in too many things ive seen with her |
| [05:29:02] | wagnerrp: | and that image has just stuck with me |
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| [05:43:37] | larzen: | Folks.. is there any way I can prevent fillmythdatabase from dumping core? |
| [05:43:58] | larzen: | it dumps core every time it runs alomst...and someone had said it has something to do with multiple cores... |
| [05:44:17] | kormoc: | unlikely |
| [05:46:37] | wagnerrp: | we did used to have some issue that was caused by multi-core processors years ago |
| [05:46:44] | wagnerrp: | but i cant remember what it was in relation to |
| [05:47:07] | kormoc: | Scanning |
| [05:47:24] | wagnerrp: | ah, right |
| [05:47:32] | larzen: | oh.. hmm.. |
| [05:47:43] | larzen: | i am running an old version of myth |
| [05:48:11] | larzen: | media-tv/mythtv-0.22_p24255 |
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| [05:57:13] | wagnerrp: | upgrade? |
| [05:58:08] | larzen: | lots and lots of work =) |
| [05:58:36] | larzen: | my myth installation is very heavily customized – even at the code level.. so it would require me to spend some time with it. |
| [05:59:18] | wagnerrp: | send patches upstream? |
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| [06:23:07] | k-man: | larzen: why did you need to customize it so heavily? |
| [06:26:05] | k-man: | is there something wrong with github? when i do a git pull, i get: fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly |
| [06:26:09] | k-man: | or is it just my? |
| [06:26:14] | k-man: | s/my/me? |
| [06:27:06] | wagnerrp: | k-man: what link are you trying to pull? |
| [06:27:25] | wagnerrp: | oh, nevermind |
| [06:27:29] | wagnerrp: | its all down |
| [06:27:41] | k-man: | ok, thanks |
| [06:27:42] | wagnerrp: | http://status.github.com/ |
| [06:27:48] | k-man: | anyway, i'm off |
| [06:28:28] | wagnerrp: | wootoff tonight, it seems |
| [06:45:50] | wagnerrp: | is there any real advantage to using 'qobject->deleteLater();' as opposed to just 'delete qobject;'? |
| [06:46:04] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [06:46:40] | Beirdo: | the former lets the event loop clean it up, which in some cases keeps us from the nasty segfaults when we delete with bad locking, etc |
| [06:47:57] | wagnerrp: | ive got plenty of locking on this qmap |
| [06:48:13] | wagnerrp: | its a map of message handlers for the backend socket |
| [06:48:26] | wagnerrp: | just wanting to properly clean up on close |
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| [06:49:37] | Beirdo: | well, I'm not 100% clear on all of the times we'd need deleteLater, but it has come in handy in a few places |
| [06:51:19] | Beirdo: | Hmm, I think I need to rerip that track |
| [06:51:21] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [06:53:25] | Beirdo: | nah, it really does just abruptly end |
| [06:53:27] | Beirdo: | wow |
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| [07:06:52] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: ive been looking through this code for some time now |
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| [07:07:12] | wagnerrp: | and i cant actually find anywhere in here that it /requires/ the MYTH_PROTO_VERSION be called to open a socket |
| [07:07:35] | Beirdo: | oh? |
| [07:12:24] | wagnerrp: | fancy that |
| [07:12:33] | wagnerrp: | our protocol actually doesnt require the version check |
| [07:12:36] | Beirdo: | shhh |
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| [07:12:40] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [07:13:08] | wagnerrp: | if you fail the check, it will close the socket, and you have to reconnect |
| [07:13:18] | wagnerrp: | but if you just avoid it... it will continue on happily |
| [07:13:25] | wagnerrp: | whoops |
| [07:13:32] | Beirdo: | whoops indeed :) |
| [07:13:46] | ** Beirdo is now ripping Kansas – Point of No Return ** | |
| [07:13:57] | wagnerrp: | kansas... never heard of em |
| [07:14:09] | Beirdo: | err ... Point of Know Return |
| [07:14:22] | Beirdo: | please tell me you are kidding. |
| [07:14:54] | wagnerrp: | seems ive heard their music |
| [07:14:58] | wagnerrp: | just never heard the name |
| [07:15:02] | Beirdo: | Dust in the Wind |
| [07:15:09] | Beirdo: | (on this album) |
| [07:15:18] | wagnerrp: | carry on wayward son (heard that one too) |
| [07:15:31] | Beirdo: | well, you aren't exactly a child of the 70s, so you can be forgiven |
| [07:15:48] | wagnerrp: | heard point of know return... |
| [07:15:54] | Beirdo: | this is an LP from 1977 |
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| [07:17:41] | wagnerrp: | yeah, seems ive only heard a couple of their big ones |
| [07:18:07] | Beirdo: | it's relaxing 70s stuff. a lot of synth |
| [07:20:31] | wagnerrp: | yeah, must have attributed it to other groups |
| [07:20:42] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [07:20:49] | wagnerrp: | 'carry on wayward son' and 'point of know return' i thought were Yes |
| [07:20:54] | Beirdo: | good stuff when yer in the mood |
| [07:20:55] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [07:22:50] | wagnerrp: | and 'dust in the wind' i thought was Simon and Garfunkel, or maybe Will Ferrell |
| [07:23:05] | Beirdo: | Will Farrell?!! |
| [07:23:14] | Beirdo: | don't make me find a trout :) |
| [07:23:31] | wagnerrp: | didnt he sing that at Blue's funeral? |
| [07:23:58] | Beirdo: | oh, probably |
| [07:24:13] | Beirdo: | but like he has any talent when it comes to song-writing :) |
| [07:24:35] | Beirdo: | kinda like Jim Carrey |
| [07:28:50] | kormoc: | Sorry... Jum Carrey can actually *act*... |
| [07:29:21] | ** wagnerrp doesnt know who Jum Carrey is ** | |
| [07:29:25] | kormoc: | He's actually up there. not as good as depp, but up there |
| [07:29:31] | kormoc: | %s/Jum/Jim/ |
| [07:29:38] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [07:29:48] | Beirdo: | yeah, he can act, and he can even sing |
| [07:30:01] | Beirdo: | but song-writing... I have my doubts |
| [07:30:20] | wagnerrp: | when has he sung other than in The Mask? |
| [07:30:26] | Beirdo: | Cable Guy |
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| [07:30:39] | wagnerrp: | been too long since ive seen that movie |
| [07:30:43] | wagnerrp: | dont remember much of it |
| [07:31:15] | Beirdo: | I'm sure he's done so since too, but that one I remember |
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| [07:42:00] | dserban_: | hrrm, I'm not getting channel icons in mythweb.... it's probably a permissions issue |
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| [07:46:46] | dserban: | hrrm, not a perms issue |
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| [08:11:34] | dserban: | hmm i'm pretty sure that mythweb included support for channel icons... I don't see a call to img or anything of the like. I wonder what I messed up. |
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| [08:26:36] | dserban: | how do I get mythweb to output debug info? |
| [08:43:52] | dserban: | or is there any log output |
| [08:43:55] | dserban: | for mythweb? |
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| [09:53:09] | hashbang: | heyas |
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| [10:00:07] | Beirdo: | oooh, HDNet++... Megadeth concert footage. |
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| [10:25:24] | hashbang: | Beirdo: big four from Sonisphere? |
| [10:30:43] | Beirdo: | Blood in the Water – Live in San Diego |
| [10:31:03] | hashbang: | Beirdo: ahhh |
| [10:31:32] | hashbang: | Beirdo: I've not really followed them much since Symphony... |
| [10:32:02] | hashbang: | er, Countdown, even |
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| [10:32:47] | Beirdo: | drummer really gets a flippin workout |
| [10:33:45] | hashbang: | Beirdo: Menza was always my favourite |
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| [10:36:00] | Beirdo: | anywho... time for sleep |
| [10:36:02] | Beirdo: | ;) |
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| [12:24:07] | Stevezau: | does mythtv support metainfo on upnp? |
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| [12:33:51] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [12:34:26] | Stevezau: | damn |
| [12:34:26] | Stevezau: | thanks |
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| [12:42:57] | wagnerrp: | Stevezau: as i understand it, the upnp standard just doesnt allow for such metadata |
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| [12:55:40] | lordbla: | hello, all you helpfull mythtv supporters :D |
| [12:55:52] | lordbla: | I'm using mythtv on mythbuntu10.10 with liplianin drivers installed. |
| [12:55:52] | wagnerrp: | you added these directories to the Default storage group in mythtv-setup, while running it on the same machine as your master backend? |
| [12:56:20] | lordbla: | well, the backend was disabled while i added them and was restarted after |
| [12:56:29] | lordbla: | mythbuntu has scripts for that |
| [12:56:38] | wagnerrp: | wrappers, yes |
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| [12:57:16] | wagnerrp: | these directories are writable by the user running the backend? (usually 'mythtv') |
| [12:57:30] | lordbla: | when I move files from one directory in the storage group to the others, mythtv will still play them (at least it did yesterday) |
| [12:57:38] | lordbla: | permissions are set to 777, so yes |
| [12:58:39] | lordbla: | sorry, afk for 10 mins or so |
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| [13:18:08] | Stevezau: | wagnerrp it allows for some since ebmc and mediatomb show it |
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| [13:25:41] | lordbla: | well, the directory i added is like /home/lordbla/recordings |
| [13:26:11] | lordbla: | that directory is owned by lordbla:users |
| [13:26:24] | lordbla: | with mod 777 |
| [13:26:51] | lordbla: | /home/lordbla has no access from outside |
| [13:27:04] | lordbla: | might that be the problem? |
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| [14:59:17] | tgm4883: | lordbla, yes, i've seen issues having it in your home directory |
| [14:59:42] | tgm4883: | I never really tracked it down though |
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| [15:46:50] | skd5aner: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/469406#469406 – for a guy who has over 2200 posts on the mailing list, you'd think he would have known that screen existed? |
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| [15:56:34] | wagnerrp: | is there any way to store new members to an object, beyond those defined in the class? |
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| [16:14:19] | stuartm: | you mean modifying the class at runtime? Or extending a class without modifying the original? |
| [16:14:55] | wagnerrp: | im working on the modular protocol rewrite |
| [16:15:18] | wagnerrp: | and im trying to replace PlaybackSock with a base handler class, and subclasses for different capability |
| [16:15:30] | wagnerrp: | the problem is i dont want to limit the object to one subclass |
| [16:16:32] | wagnerrp: | basically, the PlaybackSock defines methods for sending commands across the socket |
| [16:16:56] | wagnerrp: | i want to split that up into SlaveBackendSock, and FileServerSock, and JobQueueSock |
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| [16:17:12] | stuartm: | you want the object/pointer to be able to hold all the subclasses? To do that you just need to cast to the base class and back as necessary |
| [16:17:27] | stuartm: | it won't lose the additional members |
| [16:18:15] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: im saying the base class would have certain members, the backend class would add other members, the fileserver class would add more |
| [16:18:27] | wagnerrp: | if i instantiate it as he base class, and cast it into one of the subclasses |
| [16:18:33] | wagnerrp: | i would be able to use the members of the subclass? |
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| [16:19:55] | wagnerrp: | i assumed i would have to instantiate as the subclass, or else storage for those members would not be defined |
| [16:20:07] | wagnerrp: | causing a segfault when i cast into them and try to access those members |
| [16:20:57] | stuartm: | yeah, it needs to be instantiated as the subclass, then cast to the base class for portability and then back again |
| [16:21:33] | wagnerrp: | then if i instantiated as a backendsock, cast to the base handler, cast to the fileserversock |
| [16:21:46] | wagnerrp: | members defined for the fileserversock would not be usable |
| [16:22:23] | stuartm: | e.g. SubClass *foo = new SubClass(); BaseClass *bar = dynamic_cast<BaseClass*>(foo); Subclass *abc = dynamic_cast<SubClass*>(bar); |
| [16:22:54] | wagnerrp: | and <dynamic_cast> makes sure all the necessary memory is allocated? |
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| [16:23:41] | stuartm: | dynamic_cast will test to see whether it can make that cast, and return NULL if it fails, a static_cast will not and so dynamic_cast is safer |
| [16:24:18] | Captain_Murdoch: | and vector<BaseClass *> basesockList; basesockList.push_back(bar); |
| [16:24:41] | Captain_Murdoch: | instead of vector<PlaybackSock *> playbackList; |
| [16:24:59] | stuartm: | e.g. casting BaseClass to SubClass will return NULL if BaseClass is not of the SubClass type but say Sub2Class |
| [16:27:00] | stuartm: | dynamic_cast can actually be used in that way to determine the type without knowing it beforehand – not that you'd necessarily chose to do it that way, a member of the BaseClass containing a type value would be cleaner |
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| [16:28:20] | wagnerrp: | so it would still not allow converting from one subclass to another |
| [16:28:46] | stuartm: | no, you can only safely convert from subclass to baseclass, not subclass to subclass |
| [16:31:14] | wagnerrp: | so then the only solution i can think of would be to either run multiple sockets between the two processes, or have multiple separate handlers for a single socket |
| [16:31:38] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: also, realized last night that there is no code in the protocol that actually requires someone to do a version check upon connecting |
| [16:31:42] | Captain_Murdoch: | by handler, are you talking about the code that processes incoming commands? |
| [16:32:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, right. there's no flag we set on the BE |
| [16:32:01] | wagnerrp: | no, the opposite, code that sends commands to the client |
| [16:32:27] | wagnerrp: | the sendreceivestringlist stuff, currently only used for communication with slave backends |
| [16:32:38] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to the more generic BACKEND_COMMAND stuff |
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| [16:35:56] | wagnerrp: | stuff like GO_TO_SLEEP and the tuner and file operations, where it is sending a command to one specific client, rather than broadcasting through the event system |
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| [16:37:23] | lordbla: | wagnerrp: seems like it really was a permission problem |
| [16:37:35] | wagnerrp: | lordbla: it usually is |
| [16:37:51] | wagnerrp: | were these samba/ntfs mounts or something? |
| [16:38:05] | lordbla: | no, ordinary folders on /home-partition |
| [16:38:21] | wagnerrp: | mounts of filesystems that are not POSIX compliant often dont follow the normal file permissions rules |
| [16:38:32] | lordbla: | changed owner to mythtv:mythtv and made upper directory readable, now it works |
| [16:38:41] | wagnerrp: | even though they may be '777', only the user who they were mounted for has access authority |
| [16:39:03] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: what I'd suggest doing is seperating out the socket bits into a single class which the various 'handler' classes share, so you'd have SlaveBackend/FileServer/JobQueueHandler classes that access a single shared MythSocket Class |
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| [16:39:23] | lordbla: | well, ext4-partition, i also tried access by logging in as mythtv and that worked |
| [16:39:37] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: yeah, that was one of the two alternatives listed above |
| [16:39:47] | lordbla: | anyway, seems like it is fixed now. thx for the tips :) |
| [16:39:56] | wagnerrp: | and then just select the needed type |
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| [16:40:35] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: that amounts to the same level of work, and isn't structually that different from your initial idea, so that's the way I'd go |
| [16:40:37] | BLZbubba: | ugh i updated to mythbuntu 0.24 and I am seeing the classic HD HomeRun problem where recordings end after just a few minutes |
| [16:40:48] | lordbla: | damn, configuring mythtv definatly is a big task. but seems worth it :) |
| [16:40:55] | BLZbubba: | is there a firmware update for the homerun or something like that? |
| [16:41:20] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: well it would mean a slightly different manner of storing the handlers, but yeah, not too much more difficult |
| [16:41:47] | wagnerrp: | BLZbubba: how are you connecting to the HDHR? |
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| [16:42:28] | BLZbubba: | wagnerrp: hmm i didn't know there were different options; i have been using ethernet ever since i got it a couple of years ago |
| [16:42:32] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, sounds like that'd be similar to how EncoderLink deals with tuners. it is also sprinkled with "if (local)" to check whether a tuner is local or remote to know whether it needs to do tv->CancelNextRecording() vs playbacksock->CancelNextRecording() |
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| [16:42:51] | wagnerrp: | BLZbubba: i mean... did you use an IP or a device ID? |
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| [16:43:43] | lordbla: | i have a strategic question: Got a small handheld device last week (openpandora). Would like to access my recordings from it. what would be the best strategy, esp. with the limited bandwith? |
| [16:43:57] | BLZbubba: | wagnerrp: i'll check; most likely IP |
| [16:44:20] | BLZbubba: | i had to set up a DHCP server for it |
| [16:44:21] | wagnerrp: | BLZbubba: then you need to delete the tuners, and reconfigure them using the device id |
| [16:45:58] | BLZbubba: | ok i'll give it a try, thanks |
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| [16:57:55] | lordbla: | wagnerrp: any tips? |
| [17:00:09] | wagnerrp: | flash streaming through mythweb? |
| [17:00:10] | BLZbubba: | what format(s) can the device handle? |
| [17:00:38] | wagnerrp: | mythtv can (currently) only store one file against a recording |
| [17:00:50] | wagnerrp: | so if you transcode down to a small file for streaming to the device |
| [17:00:57] | wagnerrp: | you will have to use the same file for local playback |
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| [17:02:53] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch, stuartm: so ill just have to convert to using insertMulti() instead of insert()? |
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| [17:09:28] | lordbla: | flash streaming might be an option |
| [17:09:57] | lordbla: | it currently uses swfdec and didn't show the flowplayer in mythweb |
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| [17:10:25] | lordbla: | but it should be possible to use flash10 from nokia maemo if I get a hand on it |
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| [17:17:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, for your new version of playbacklist? |
| [17:18:08] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
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| [17:19:57] | wagnerrp: | that, or make some struct with sock* and qstring type to use as a key instead |
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| [17:21:08] | sphery: | though you can transcode down to a small file for streaming and stick it in MythVideo... |
| [17:21:14] | sphery: | keep the original in TV |
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| [17:21:43] | sphery: | don't know who was asking about that... lordbla perhaps? |
| [17:22:24] | Captain_Murdoch: | currently we use a vector, we don't index into it. are you trying to optimize the looping we do when searching for a playbacksock? |
| [17:24:20] | wagnerrp: | i guess i did, i wrote that a couple weeks back and didnt recall that the existing code was just a vector |
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| [17:25:27] | wagnerrp: | yeah, if i just went back to doing a vector, and manually searching each time |
| [17:25:37] | wagnerrp: | it wouldnt make any difference whether i had one key or two |
| [17:26:07] | wagnerrp: | also, what was the reason for using a vector instead of a qlist? |
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| [17:33:04] | lordbla: | sphery: sounds like a good plan for now |
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| [17:33:23] | lordbla: | thx |
| [17:33:26] | lordbla: | see you later |
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| [17:48:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, probable reason is just old code. I don't know of any reason why. |
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| [17:49:05] | ikevin: | hi |
| [17:49:46] | ikevin: | anyone know how can i optimize my settings to get a faster channel switching in livetv? |
| [17:50:05] | wagnerrp: | use quicktune |
| [17:50:31] | wagnerrp: | it removes a couple of the steps in achieving a lock on a digital tuner, maybe saves half a second |
| [17:50:40] | ikevin: | what is it? myth addon, setting, ... ? |
| [17:51:03] | wagnerrp: | card setting in mythtv-setup |
| [17:51:04] | ikevin: | just like half a second? |
| [17:51:17] | wagnerrp: | not much |
| [17:51:37] | wagnerrp: | how long are your current switches? |
| [17:51:47] | ikevin: | i actualy have 6~7s |
| [17:52:05] | wagnerrp: | digital? analog? analog capture? |
| [17:52:23] | ikevin: | digital & freebox stream |
| [17:52:37] | wagnerrp: | freebox should have almost no switching time |
| [17:52:43] | wagnerrp: | just the second or two of mythtv's own buffer |
| [17:52:53] | wagnerrp: | digital, you may simply have a slow tuner |
| [17:53:10] | wagnerrp: | or your broadcaster may space the keyframes too far apart |
| [17:53:22] | wagnerrp: | you can only start playback at a keyframe |
| [17:53:23] | ikevin: | on vlc it just take 2~3 seconds, does it can be my hdd who are slow? |
| [17:53:46] | wagnerrp: | doubtful |
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| [17:54:56] | ikevin: | can i disable buffuring on some tuner? |
| [17:55:16] | wagnerrp: | digital tuners do not have significant buffering |
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| [17:55:45] | wagnerrp: | and you cannot tweak mythtv's own internal buffering |
| [17:55:54] | ikevin: | ok |
| [17:56:05] | wagnerrp: | it is an unavoidable result of being a DVR, and being network transparent |
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| [17:57:54] | ikevin: | if i perfectly understand myth's system, backend stream data to frontend who encode the stream into a file and read the file for displaying the video? |
| [17:58:36] | wagnerrp: | the backend tells the tuner to lock a channel, the backend starts pulling data from the tuner, the backend streams that data straight to disk |
| [17:58:49] | sphery: | ikevin: frontend just decodes and displays the video/audio |
| [17:59:18] | wagnerrp: | independently, the backend pulls that data back from the disk (or more correctly linux's disk cache), streams it over the network to the frontend, which subsequently decodes and displays it |
| [17:59:57] | wagnerrp: | its that storing to disk part that makes it a DVR, makes pause/rewind possible, and causes the 1–2 seconds of additional lag to the video |
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| [18:01:31] | ikevin: | ok |
| [18:02:58] | ikevin: | can i've a way to debug what is taking some time in the backend? (like a debug mode where i can know when myth start the channel change and when the hardware has done the change) |
| [18:03:34] | sphery: | there are various levels of logging... see mythbackend -v help |
| [18:03:56] | sphery: | things that you may be interested in include record, playback, file, ... |
| [18:04:05] | sphery: | though chances are it won't help much |
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| [18:04:29] | sphery: | in other words, channel change is as fast as it is--there aren't any mythtv settings to speed it up |
| [18:04:38] | sphery: | we go as fast as we can with the hardware we're given |
| [18:05:30] | ikevin: | yep i've read on some ml that myth just have a short lost time due to live control |
| [18:05:57] | ikevin: | so i've read that some fs can be better for a machin who run myth |
| [18:06:31] | ikevin: | or if some IO priority on the system for the backend/frontend can optimize it |
| [18:08:05] | ikevin: | for my dvb tuner i don't really try to understand, it's more for streams that i think i can reduce it |
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| [18:09:11] | ikevin: | ex i currently have 3 tvs added, i use vlc to recode them and stream them |
| [18:10:08] | ikevin: | in totem i need 1~2s to switch from one to other, myth take 6~7s |
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| [18:11:06] | wagnerrp: | the only way i could see totem changing channels in ~1s is if you are change to another channel on the same multiplex |
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| [18:11:33] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if mythtv handles that differently, or if it does a full tune every time |
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| [18:11:57] | ikevin: | wagnerrp, it more depend of the streamer burst than totem :) |
| [18:13:19] | ikevin: | does mysql server lag can affect the change time? |
| [18:13:48] | wagnerrp: | it can if you have a slow disk and slow processor, or the mysql server is otherwise under heavy load |
| [18:14:44] | ikevin: | disk & processor on the frontend are good hardware, backend's disk are not the betters ^^' |
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| [18:15:36] | wagnerrp: | why do you even have a disk on the frontend? |
| [18:16:25] | ikevin: | i currently don't have any myth deployed, i make my test on my desktop pc |
| [18:17:17] | ikevin: | i've tryed to run it on a netboot/nfsroot env on an hp thinclient, so the hardware is to short |
| [18:17:41] | wagnerrp: | thin clients typically are |
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| [18:31:30] | CyberKnet: | Connection stabilized. |
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| [18:35:38] | sphery: | finally... Adobe is attacking the problem of lack of good DRM in Flash with Comcast's help. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1939 . . . mobile-video |
| [18:35:49] | CyberKnet: | Anyone know if you can mix DDR2/400 and DDR2/800 in the same machine? |
| [18:36:22] | sphery: | glad they're not wasting time on useless stuff like GNU/Linux x86_64 support or even scaling in hardware on X |
| [18:36:35] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: sure, but it will all drop to the lowest common denominator |
| [18:36:42] | CyberKnet: | Hmmm. |
| [18:37:27] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you mean the RTMPe stuff isnt good enough? |
| [18:37:27] | CyberKnet: | Myth combined back/front end (Also has Freeswitch running on it) is running out of physical memory once every couple of weeks. Once things start paging it's not pretty. |
| [18:37:54] | wagnerrp: | or are you referring to the fact that most people only use normal downloads that go straight to your browser cache |
| [18:38:02] | CyberKnet: | Only has 2GB in it right now. Was thinking to drop another 4GB in it for a total of 6. |
| [18:38:06] | wagnerrp: | and are at most protected through a bit of link obfuscation |
| [18:38:19] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: what processor do you have? |
| [18:38:29] | CyberKnet: | AMD Athlon X2 4850e |
| [18:38:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I really don't know anything about flash's DRM support, but was just commenting that they're working on making it better |
| [18:39:45] | wagnerrp: | do you actually have the 4GB of memory? or were you looking to purchase |
| [18:39:55] | CyberKnet: | purchase |
| [18:40:07] | wagnerrp: | since there is no reason to purchase DDR2–400 these days |
| [18:40:23] | CyberKnet: | I already have 2GB DDR2–400 in there |
| [18:40:31] | CyberKnet: | I was going to purchase another 4GB DDR2–800 |
| [18:40:36] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [18:41:01] | wagnerrp: | better to just junk the -400 |
| [18:41:11] | CyberKnet: | I was quite suspecting that could be the case |
| [18:41:28] | CyberKnet: | in which case, I'm thinking I might be better to buy 8GB of DDR2–800 |
| [18:41:59] | wagnerrp: | if you are only barely exceeding 2GB, 4GB is plenty |
| [18:42:08] | wagnerrp: | the only thing 8GB will get you is more disk cache |
| [18:42:43] | wagnerrp: | which is of limited use, depending on how many livetv sessions you may have going at any time |
| [18:42:47] | sphery: | if you are only barely exceeding 2GB, 2GB may be plenty |
| [18:43:00] | CyberKnet: | Never have live TV sessions going. |
| [18:43:12] | CyberKnet: | We only ever watch previously recorded content, and only watch one stream at a time. |
| [18:43:31] | sphery: | i.e. I'd guess it's likely you only exceed 2GB for short processes--like mfdb runs or something |
| [18:43:32] | CyberKnet: | We do occasionally have 2 HD streams and 2 SD streams recording at a time on occasion. |
| [18:43:38] | wagnerrp: | watching recordings wont benefit from more disk cache |
| [18:43:49] | wagnerrp: | since youre just linearly streaming |
| [18:43:50] | CyberKnet: | sphery: It's during comm flagging based on what I see, yes. |
| [18:43:58] | wagnerrp: | you likely wont be going back more than a minute or two |
| [18:44:10] | sphery: | how many detection jobs do you let it run concurrently? |
| [18:44:23] | CyberKnet: | Not sure that I've changed it. |
| [18:44:26] | CyberKnet: | probably only one. |
| [18:44:42] | sphery: | 4GB definitely wouldn't hurt, though |
| [18:45:18] | sphery: | I still have a 1GB remote backend that's only ever used 11MB of swap |
| [18:45:27] | CyberKnet: | Well then, I suppose I'll buy the 4GB, ditch the 2GB and if things lock up aain I can always buy another 4GB. |
| [18:45:35] | CyberKnet: | "lock up" is a poor choice of words there. |
| [18:45:38] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt need to |
| [18:45:38] | sphery: | (been up 9 days--since I shut down to rearrange disks after a HDD failure) |
| [18:45:57] | sphery: | I agree that more than 4GB is unlikely to help much |
| [18:46:22] | CyberKnet: | awesome. I really appreciate your guys thoughts. thank you. |
| [18:46:23] | sphery: | strange thing, though, is that my 4GB MBE has used 53MB of swap in the same 9 days |
| [18:46:35] | wagnerrp: | sphery: building stuff? |
| [18:46:53] | sphery: | no... just running mythbackend, mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all, mythcommflag |
| [18:47:02] | sphery: | could be the --dd-grab-all... |
| [18:47:21] | sphery: | though I doubt it would be that much with the small number of channels I have |
| [18:47:33] | sphery: | oh, and it runs a MySQL, so maybe MySQL is just hungry |
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| [18:48:42] | CyberKnet: | I did say this was a combined frontend/backend also running a voip switch, right? |
| [18:49:08] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [18:49:17] | CyberKnet: | OK. just wanted to be sure. |
| [18:49:24] | wagnerrp: | a combined frontend/backend should be happy with only 1GB of memory |
| [18:49:30] | wagnerrp: | and i cant imagine your VOIP switch is using much |
| [18:50:06] | CyberKnet: | logging in now to see what memory usage is like currently. |
| [18:51:03] | wagnerrp: | so slashdot has some article claiming a third of all content on bittorrent is fake |
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| [18:51:16] | wagnerrp: | so that begs the question, if you download a fake file, is that still illegal? |
| [18:51:38] | wagnerrp: | attempted copyright infringement? |
| [18:51:40] | iamlindoro: | Why would it be? Just ask the users list-- even if it's a legit file, it's not illegal |
| [18:51:45] | iamlindoro: | In Finland |
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| [18:52:11] | CyberKnet: | mythfrontend.real is currently using 865m, mythcommflag 190m, freeswitch is 83m, mytbackend is 53m and mysqld 40m |
| [18:52:32] | wagnerrp: | 865mb seems awfully high |
| [18:52:46] | CyberKnet: | but a few hours ago, I did have to kill mythfrontend for having 1500m used. |
| [18:52:58] | wagnerrp: | is that the real or virt? |
| [18:53:03] | wagnerrp: | s/real/res/ |
| [18:53:06] | CyberKnet: | RES column in top |
| [18:53:07] | sphery: | ah, yeah, mythfrontend uses lots of RAM because of all the graphics |
| [18:53:44] | sphery: | pmap -d `pidof mythfrontend.real` would show details |
| [18:54:10] | sphery: | but that 865m is virtual, so some may be shared libs and some may be swapped |
| [18:54:33] | CyberKnet: | whoa. that output is beyond me. |
| [18:54:46] | sphery: | wait, 865MB res? |
| [18:54:52] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, the last line has 'writable/private', that's the only value you care about |
| [18:54:54] | sphery: | it is also 865MB virt |
| [18:55:25] | sphery: | my mythforntend is using 877M virt and 250M res |
| [18:55:28] | CyberKnet: | it's the RES column in top is 865m. the VIRT column is 1923mm |
| [18:55:41] | CyberKnet: | mapped: 1969284K writeable/private: 1376324K shared: 22836K |
| [18:55:43] | clever: | thats very high |
| [18:55:46] | Methuselah: | I have samba share for mythmusic, I can create, delete in the directory when i am the user. But, mythtv gives me "The encoder canot blah , permissions". I am really having a bitch of a time figguring this out. |
| [18:56:15] | wagnerrp: | Methuselah: what user are you running mythfrontend as? |
| [18:56:24] | clever: | CyberKnet: think you could pastebin the entire pmap output? |
| [18:56:25] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, that's a bit beyond typical there |
| [18:56:32] | sphery: | CyberKnet: OK, 1923MB virt is likely way too high |
| [18:56:53] | sphery: | mine is: mapped: 898208K writeable/private: 320024K shared: 30624K |
| [18:56:54] | Methuselah: | I think you are referring to mythtv user |
| [18:56:59] | clever: | mapped: 270884K writeable/private: 196852K shared: 212K |
| [18:57:14] | stuartm: | Methuselah: you've run a file scan? |
| [18:57:14] | CyberKnet: | I'm not sure how I'll get the entire pmap... give me a minute to contemplate it – I'm currently SSH into the machine. |
| [18:57:16] | kormoc: | interesting, mine is 1.9G writable/private |
| [18:57:31] | Methuselah: | stuart: no |
| [18:57:38] | clever: | CyberKnet: pmap -d `pidof mythfrontend.real` > something.txt |
| [18:57:39] | stuartm: | taglib hates cif so tag reading will likely be broken |
| [18:57:44] | sphery: | CyberKnet: pmap -d `pidof mythfrontend.real` 2>&1 | tee $HOME/pmap.output |
| [18:57:46] | clever: | then open it in a text editor and coyp/paste |
| [18:57:52] | clever: | tee works too:) |
| [18:57:54] | CyberKnet: | clever, yeah I have it to the file. |
| [18:57:55] | stuartm: | Methuselah: might want to start there then |
| [18:58:11] | CyberKnet: | I just have to figure out how to get that file to pastebin. |
| [18:58:11] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, are you running -trunk? |
| [18:58:15] | sphery: | clever: heh, I use tee so that people don't worry that "nothing happened" |
| [18:58:19] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: nope. |
| [18:58:26] | clever: | sphery: good idea |
| [18:58:54] | wagnerrp: | sphery: some of us dont use bash you insensitive clod |
| [18:58:58] | sphery: | also about the only reason that v is useful in tar |
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| [18:59:12] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the 2>&1 is bashist? |
| [18:59:16] | Methuselah: | stuart:thanks will do not %100 sure what you mean by filescan, are you talking about the scan to update directory info sort of stuff in mythtv |
| [18:59:19] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [18:59:28] | sphery: | that sucks--the "real" one is hard to remember |
| [18:59:39] | kormoc: | &> |
| [19:00:08] | wagnerrp: | backwards, >& |
| [19:00:19] | sphery: | see--proves my point! |
| [19:00:31] | wagnerrp: | http://blog.elevenseconds.com/resources/shell-redirecting.html |
| [19:00:40] | clever: | remind me again, why does mythfrontend need qtwebkit? |
| [19:00:43] | JEDIDIAH__: | I always have to look that up myself... (redirecting err to out) |
| [19:01:04] | wagnerrp: | clever: lazy linking maybe? |
| [19:01:09] | sphery: | wagnerrp: OK, I'm going there, but if it takes me more than 11s to read, I'm going to be /very/ upset with you |
| [19:01:15] | wagnerrp: | oh, qtwebkit is the web browser stuff |
| [19:01:17] | wagnerrp: | mythbrowser |
| [19:01:25] | CyberKnet: | is there a pastebin that will let me attach a file? |
| [19:01:40] | wagnerrp: | sphery: just a table of commands |
| [19:01:41] | stuartm: | pastebin.ca will but it was down as of last night |
| [19:01:46] | clever: | CyberKnet: just open the file in an editor and paste the contents on the form |
| [19:01:49] | CyberKnet: | doh! |
| [19:01:54] | sphery: | CyberKnet: there's a command-line app that will post one to pastebin |
| [19:02:05] | CyberKnet: | clever: the file is not on my desktop. I am connected to the machine via SSH. |
| [19:02:14] | sphery: | "a" = "many" |
| [19:02:18] | CyberKnet: | sphery: oh, that would be helpful. |
| [19:02:25] | sphery: | pastebinit seems to be one of the favs |
| [19:02:32] | clever: | CyberKnet: use scp to copy it then, scp user@machine:/path/to/file.txt /local/dir/file.txt |
| [19:02:59] | sphery: | http://www.stgraber.org/category/pastebinit/ |
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| [19:03:07] | CyberKnet: | Hmm... let me check for an scp as part of putty |
| [19:03:10] | sphery: | most distros seem to have packages, too |
| [19:03:11] | stuartm: | Methuselah: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythmusic#Importin . . . c_collection |
| [19:03:21] | sphery: | uggh, putty's scp is annoying |
| [19:03:24] | clever: | CyberKnet: ah, just use winscp then, its simpler |
| [19:03:34] | sphery: | primarily because of the whole windows command line, but still... |
| [19:03:35] | clever: | or get a wgetpaste script like sphery mentioned |
| [19:04:08] | sphery: | https://launchpad.net/pastebinit |
| [19:04:24] | sphery: | don't know if there's a windows one... I'd guess there is |
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| [19:04:55] | clever: | sounds like he is controling a linux myth box from windows putty |
| [19:05:00] | clever: | with irc on the windows box |
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| [19:05:20] | ** wagnerrp prefers xterms ** | |
| [19:05:52] | clever: | wagnerrp: i removed the mythbrowser plugin.so and its still loading webkit |
| [19:05:57] | kormoc: | pmap -d appears broken on my box |
| [19:05:58] | CyberKnet: | clever: corect. |
| [19:06:05] | kormoc: | the numbers just don't work |
| [19:06:24] | wagnerrp: | clever: some of the recording info pages are renderer in HTML |
| [19:06:31] | CyberKnet: | clever: 1 sec, almost done |
| [19:06:39] | clever: | wagnerrp: thats what i was begining to wonder, ldd says mythfrontend needs webkit |
| [19:06:42] | sphery: | kormoc: how so? |
| [19:06:46] | wagnerrp: | i dont recall the reasoning for it, but there is some |
| [19:06:56] | CyberKnet: | http://pastebin.com/TFbwNUpT |
| [19:07:02] | clever: | webkit is the bigest executable section in mythfe |
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| [19:07:12] | sphery: | mythfrontend uses browser component for the recording details |
| [19:07:29] | kormoc: | sphery, adding up the numbers by hand vs the total at the bottom, they're extremely different and they shouldn't be |
| [19:07:45] | sphery: | kormoc: did you include the imaginary numbers? |
| [19:07:55] | stuartm: | the details page using html was only ever meant to be temporary ... :/ |
| [19:07:57] | clever: | CyberKnet: line 13 shows something using a chunk of almost exactly 1gig of ram |
| [19:08:32] | sphery: | NSFW: http://xkcd.com/849/ |
| [19:09:24] | stuartm: | but still, even if that page didn't use it, themers might want to integrate html/webpages into their themes |
| [19:09:24] | wagnerrp: | how is that NSFW? |
| [19:09:30] | CyberKnet: | clever: Is that indicative of something? |
| [19:09:31] | clever: | wagnerrp: curse words |
| [19:09:39] | sphery: | some works may find the words offensive |
| [19:09:45] | clever: | CyberKnet: to me, it feels like something is trying to malloc/new a single 1gig chunk of ram |
| [19:09:48] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but most people arent going to be able to read them from more than a few feet from the screen |
| [19:09:49] | sphery: | better safe than sorry |
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| [19:10:43] | clever: | stuartm: what about accepting a patch to disable webkit use? |
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| [19:11:06] | clever: | if i dont use those themes, id would be nice to turn that section off |
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| [19:11:30] | sphery: | clever: not until you create a patch that makes recording details use mythui :) |
| [19:11:45] | clever: | yeah, that temporary part would need to also be fixed |
| [19:11:52] | stuartm: | clever: I'm not going to make that call, especially since disabling webkit would break an important frontend screen – packagers can't be trusted with options to disable stuff |
| [19:11:53] | hashbang: | evening all |
| [19:12:03] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, all it means is something in mythfrontend used a 1 gig memory chunk. Nothing more, nothing less |
| [19:12:11] | hashbang: | looks like I've arrived at a vaguely opportune moment |
| [19:12:14] | sphery: | yeah, it's on my list, but mythui is a steep hill to climb for just that one thing |
| [19:12:40] | wagnerrp: | is that a carry over from the old UI? |
| [19:12:43] | sphery: | (not saying it's hard to learn--only that it's something I haven't done at all, so I'd have to learn everything I need to know to do it) |
| [19:12:52] | wagnerrp: | something that has just never been converted |
| [19:13:24] | clever: | ummm, i just noticed, upcoming recordings has only 6 items |
| [19:13:25] | sphery: | no, it was something that Paul did because he though theming each individual piece of data for programinfo would be tedious |
| [19:13:27] | ** clever runs to schedulesdirect ** | |
| [19:13:29] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: old screen used some rich text markup stuff, when Paul ported it he wanted to take the easy route and keep the old behaviour |
| [19:13:34] | hashbang: | I'm trying to debug why the browser's bookmarks manager (as themed by MythCenter-wide) doesn't highlight the bookmarks selected. It's because it falls through to the default-wide theme, which in turn references png files which are no longer included (I think stuartm took them out in svn commit r21757 back in Sep 2009) |
| [19:13:52] | stuartm: | rich text >> html was apparently easier ... |
| [19:14:34] | clever: | ok, it expires in june, so its not the data source |
| [19:15:07] | stuartm: | hashbang: images in the default theme were IIRC replaced by <shape> since it makes maintenance and customisation much easier |
| [19:15:31] | hashbang: | stuartm: yup, I read that comment of yours in the commit |
| [19:15:49] | clever: | i think i found my problem |
| [19:15:51] | clever: | mythtv 15155 0.0 2.7 76232 6052 pts/2 SNl Jan13 5:08 /media/mainlv/root/8.04/bin/mythfilldatabase --refresh-all |
| [19:15:55] | hashbang: | stuartm: so why's default-wide still using the pngs? |
| [19:16:00] | clever: | mfdb has been running since jan 13th |
| [19:16:05] | stuartm: | hashbang: I must have missed mythbrowser ... |
| [19:16:23] | hashbang: | stuartm: there's quite a few pngs which are still referenced in the xml |
| [19:16:26] | sphery: | clever: why are you using --refresh-all in your daily runs |
| [19:16:30] | sphery: | that's evil |
| [19:16:35] | clever: | sphery: i'm not, it started on its own |
| [19:16:36] | sphery: | use --dd-grab-all if you want all data |
| [19:16:40] | kormoc: | cause he hates us |
| [19:16:41] | stuartm: | either that or that code was committed much later |
| [19:16:50] | clever: | only reason i'm even looking at it is because my guide data runs out in 2 days |
| [19:16:58] | clever: | it appaears to have locked up on the 13th |
| [19:17:09] | stuartm: | hashbang: there was some expectation that plugin maintainers would do their part, not everyone did |
| [19:17:13] | wagnerrp: | yes, but you ran it with --refresh-all on the 13th |
| [19:17:20] | sphery: | clever: make sure you fix your mythfilldatabase arguments setting, please... and you'll actually get much better results with --dd-grab-all, anyway |
| [19:17:24] | clever: | wagnerrp: i have not ran it manualy in months |
| [19:17:24] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt be using that unless filling it for the first time |
| [19:17:37] | wagnerrp: | and you shouldnt have told mythbackend to use it that way either |
| [19:17:47] | sphery: | clever: which means that your mythfilldatabase arguments setting--that's used when mythbackend runs mfdb--is --refresh-all |
| [19:17:51] | sphery: | :) |
| [19:17:52] | clever: | let me check the db settings then |
| [19:17:58] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, if you're filling it for the first time you don't need it then as well |
| [19:18:06] | jcarlos: | Where can I configure mythfilldatabase log file path ? |
| [19:18:10] | hashbang: | stuartm: is there anywhere that still has a copy of the pngs, given the switch to GIT? |
| [19:18:11] | jcarlos: | 2011-01–25 19:37:16.447 Invalid mythfilldatabase log path: /var/log/mythfilldatabase.log is not writable. |
| [19:18:14] | sphery: | kormoc: no, really, --dd-grab-all is better |
| [19:18:31] | clever: | sphery: from looking in sql, its just set to mythfilldatabase |
| [19:18:37] | sphery: | kormoc: and if you don't specify --refresh-all, it will refresh all because there's no data for those days, yet |
| [19:18:47] | sphery: | clever: that would be the mythfilldatabase command setting |
| [19:18:50] | sphery: | not the arguments setting |
| [19:18:52] | kormoc: | sphery, right, my point |
| [19:18:56] | hashbang: | stuartm: hmm, old themes release, I guess |
| [19:19:06] | clever: | i dont see the arguments setting, where value like '%mythfill%' wait a sec |
| [19:19:09] | sphery: | kormoc: but it wouldn't actually have the --refresh-all argument then |
| [19:19:12] | clever: | | MythFillDatabaseArgs | --refresh-all | NULL | |
| [19:19:13] | sphery: | it would just have the same behavior |
| [19:19:20] | sphery: | clever: yep, that's the evil one! |
| [19:19:24] | clever: | ok, i'll have to fix that |
| [19:19:27] | stuartm: | hashbang: yes, they should in theory still be available via git or the frozen svn repo, but a proper fix would involve porting those areas to use <shape> instead |
| [19:19:31] | clever: | i had a limit 5 on and then forgot to remove it |
| [19:19:31] | kormoc: | sphery, right, my point was don't use it ever |
| [19:19:37] | stuartm: | hashbang: which images are we talking about? |
| [19:19:39] | sphery: | kormoc: oh, sorry--I misread |
| [19:19:53] | stuartm: | [21757] |
| [19:19:53] | MythLogBot: | SVN 21757: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/6d80843d |
| [19:19:54] | clever: | Rows matched: 1 Changed: 1 Warnings: 0 |
| [19:20:05] | sphery: | kormoc: so, yeah, I completely agree! |
| [19:20:08] | clever: | sphery: ok, now for a backtrace as to why its locked up |
| [19:20:11] | hashbang: | stuartm: horiz_selector.png and horiz_selector_inactive.png and horiz_selector_selected.png for starters |
| [19:20:18] | sphery: | clever: you're on trunk? |
| [19:20:24] | clever: | old trunk |
| [19:20:27] | clever: | #6 0x42561084 in exit () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 |
| [19:20:31] | clever: | it appears to have locked up inside exit() lol |
| [19:20:34] | sphery: | s#trunk#unstable/development# |
| [19:20:39] | hashbang: | stuartm: best to run grep -r png default-wide | awk -F"<filename>|</filename>" '{print $2}' | sort | uniq >~/default-wide-pngsused |
| [19:20:41] | sphery: | clever: you're on unstable/development? |
| [19:21:05] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no, hes just on unstable |
| [19:21:10] | clever: | [24115] trunk |
| [19:21:10] | MythLogBot: | SVN 24115: (branch fixes/0.23) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/fe3b2f11 |
| [19:21:18] | sphery: | clever: #7714 |
| [19:21:19] | wagnerrp: | hes running code that hasnt been developed in a year and a half |
| [19:21:22] | sphery: | known issue |
| [19:21:24] | clever: | i was going to update to 23 today |
| [19:21:33] | clever: | but wanted to know when the next recording was |
| [19:21:34] | sphery: | to 0.23-fixes? |
| [19:21:40] | clever: | and i noticed guide data runs out in 2 days |
| [19:21:41] | clever: | yeah |
| [19:21:43] | sphery: | why not go to 0.24-fixes? |
| [19:21:55] | hashbang: | stuartm: I guess they're still in 0.21 judging by the dates. |
| [19:21:58] | clever: | ok, time to start the compile all over |
| [19:22:01] | sphery: | in either 0.23-fixes or 0.24-fixes, you won't have the mfdb issue you just found |
| [19:22:04] | sphery: | still exists in trunk |
| [19:22:10] | sphery: | er, unstable/development |
| [19:22:44] | sphery: | my brain knows not to use VCS jargon for unstable/development MythTV, but my fingers haven't learned, yet |
| [19:22:55] | hashbang: | arrrgh! |
| [19:22:56] | kormoc: | sphery, it's clever. He has to do everything in the worst possible way to prove he's leet! |
| [19:23:03] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:23:12] | clever: | i compiled 23-fixes a week ago and was going to update to it today |
| [19:23:28] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you can call it 'master' |
| [19:24:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I won't call it master--still VCS jargon |
| [19:24:55] | sphery: | we need to use terms that are generally useful and recognizable as "not the recommended branch for production use" to users :) |
| [19:25:28] | sphery: | 0.25pre is kind of like that, but I fear most will see it as "pre-release" or "preview" or ... |
| [19:25:44] | sphery: | versus "some partial steps toward 0.25, but not expected to be stable" |
| [19:26:10] | sphery: | the preview interpretation is especially misleading |
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| [19:26:35] | CyberKnet: | My small brain would think pre-release |
| [19:26:56] | CyberKnet: | but my developer brain side would also think "not a release candidate" |
| [19:27:04] | wagnerrp: | i think anything before a release as 'not stable' |
| [19:27:15] | sphery: | anyway, after all the arguments where the Mythbuntu people got yelled at for calling it "trunk" in their auto-builds page, I actually got convinced that using "trunk" (or, now, "master") is a bad idea |
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| [19:27:47] | wagnerrp: | why would they be yelled at for calling it trunk? |
| [19:27:52] | kormoc: | call it alpha branch |
| [19:27:59] | sphery: | kormoc: pre-alpha |
| [19:28:14] | sphery: | :) |
| [19:28:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: see the #mythtv logs from long ago for details |
| [19:28:59] | sphery: | but basically, the argument was that it was confusing to users and people weren't realizing that it's not the recommended branch |
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| [19:36:41] | jcarlos: | Where can I configure mythfilldatabase log file path when invoked from mythtv-backend ? |
| [19:36:47] | tgm4883: | sphery, small correction, we were yelled at for not calling it trunk |
| [19:36:55] | stuartm: | 0.25pre is not an improvement, the moment you slap any sort of version number on things people think that it's ready to try, but perversely having a version number in there is the only way to have some idea where it lies in the timeline, especially now we've got not revision numbers to use |
| [19:37:12] | sphery: | stuartm: agreed--the 0.25 is the bad part |
| [19:37:15] | wagnerrp: | sphery: they were calling it 0.24, before we actually started naming it 0.24 |
| [19:37:33] | stuartm: | maybe we need code-names |
| [19:37:33] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, true, we already have a 0.25 branch too |
| [19:37:47] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: well now we do name it ahead of time so.... |
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| [19:38:07] | sphery: | jcarlos: mythfilldatabase log path in mythtv-setup General settings |
| [19:38:12] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that most package managers expect versions |
| [19:38:25] | wagnerrp: | and the only way around that would be to call it mythtv-999 or something |
| [19:38:28] | wagnerrp: | and thats just messy |
| [19:38:52] | wagnerrp: | the 0.25pre may not be ideal either, but its certainly better for the realities of package managers |
| [19:38:57] | jcarlos: | sphery: Ups ... thanks ... |
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| [19:39:06] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, we use + and – to notify if it's released or not |
| [19:39:18] | tgm4883: | or at least we did |
| [19:39:27] | tgm4883: | i'm not sure what it is now that you use git |
| [19:39:42] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: i mean if we had continued to just have a versionless 'trunk' |
| [19:39:51] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [19:40:39] | stuartm: | 0.25pre-alpha? |
| [19:41:25] | sphery: | tgm4883: ok, so maybe the "don't use VCS jargon" was after the git switch |
| [19:41:31] | sphery: | but it was a very convincing argument |
| [19:41:48] | wagnerrp: | for gentoo, were using _pre, _rc, and _p |
| [19:42:22] | sphery: | I think Captain_Murdoch was the one who convinced me that we should use something other than trunk/master |
| [19:42:31] | wagnerrp: | we could use _alpha instead of _pre, but there are just a limited number of development stage tags available in portage |
| [19:43:35] | wagnerrp: | and anything prior to release is masked anyway, so the user as to willfully change some files to enable use of them |
| [19:43:42] | wagnerrp: | of course knowing gentoo users... they will |
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| [19:44:28] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:47:22] | stuartm: | hashbang: fixed those, can't find any more of those images which were removed being used? |
| [19:48:16] | hashbang: | stuartm: did you do grep -r png default-wide | awk -F"<filename>|</filename>" '{print $2}' | sort | uniq >~/default-wide-pngsused |
| [19:48:24] | hashbang: | stuartm: and compare that with the pngs actually present? |
| [19:48:24] | clever: | is it safe to disable v4l and ivtv support on a frontend system? |
| [19:48:33] | wagnerrp: | sure |
| [19:48:56] | wagnerrp: | not sure if it would really get you that much |
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| [19:49:03] | wagnerrp: | since youre not going to be using the backend anyway |
| [19:49:09] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how much that would reduce the libraries |
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| [19:50:45] | CyberKnet: | whoa. I procrastinated ordering that memory and then NewEgg tweets a 15% off all desktop memory coupon code! |
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| [19:51:56] | Azelphur: | I procrastinated buying a video card the other day, they raised the price by £100 |
| [19:51:57] | Azelphur: | :( |
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| [19:52:25] | clever: | its all luck |
| [19:52:25] | clever: | enless you have an inside man |
| [19:53:17] | kormoc: | Thank you Captain Obvious |
| [19:53:21] | wagnerrp: | since when does newegg sell in england? |
| [19:53:51] | stuartm: | they don't? |
| [19:54:06] | wagnerrp: | pretty sure its US only |
| [19:54:13] | wagnerrp: | i dont even think they ship to canada |
| [19:54:20] | Beirdo: | they might do Canada now, not sure |
| [19:54:23] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, newegg.ca |
| [19:54:27] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [19:54:43] | wagnerrp: | i just remember canadian users in here complaining they cant buy off that site |
| [19:54:52] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [19:55:03] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, they have to remember to use .ca rather then .com |
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| [19:55:39] | CyberKnet: | 15% off, $30 gift card from christmas ... happy camper! |
| [19:56:48] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:57:02] | hashbang: | stuartm: ouch! just tried putting those browser-ui.xml files you've committed into my 0.24-fixes and the highlight covers most of the screen |
| [19:58:12] | stuartm: | bollocks |
| [19:59:18] | hashbang: | (my resolution is 1024x576 if that's relevant) |
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| [19:59:54] | stuartm: | hashbang: try now |
| [20:01:46] | hashbang: | stuartm: Looks perfect here |
| [20:02:08] | clever: | wagnerrp: i just checked with grep, i dont think it turns off even one thing, need to read the code closer |
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| [20:02:50] | hashbang: | stuartm: oh, when a bookmark category is selected (e.g. by hitting 'down'), the text from the category description disappears |
| [20:03:26] | stuartm: | hashbang: you'll have to raise that one with the mythbrowser maintainer |
| [20:04:22] | hashbang: | stuartm: it's no biggie |
| [20:04:25] | hashbang: | stuartm: thanks! |
| [20:04:34] | hashbang: | stuartm: one for 0.24-fixes? |
| [20:05:09] | stuartm: | already backported |
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| [20:06:22] | ** wagnerrp thoroughly enjoys context managers ** | |
| [20:06:53] | hashbang: | stuartm: cool. :-) |
| [20:06:55] | stuartm: | it's a little annoying that mythtv is sometimes judged by the quality of a plugin, just because that plugin is part of the official repo ... |
| [20:07:00] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: ? |
| [20:07:17] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: stuff like QReadLocker/QWriteLocker |
| [20:07:18] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: context would help statements like that ;) |
| [20:07:35] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: ahh |
| [20:07:44] | wagnerrp: | stuff that manages something while you are in that scope, and automatically cleans up when you exit |
| [20:08:07] | hashbang: | stuartm: whilst I've got you... the music plugin has a blank layer between 'All My Music' and the top level of my music directory |
| [20:08:30] | wagnerrp: | so for instance, i can 'return' in the code without having to worry about unlocking things |
| [20:09:26] | ** wagnerrp wonders if Bearcat M. Sandor is a furry ** | |
| [20:09:34] | stuartm: | hashbang: with any luck mythmusic will have been mostly re-written for 0.25, I say that because the old code is so nasty that I really don't like to touch it |
| [20:09:41] | hashbang: | stuartm: lol |
| [20:10:30] | hashbang: | stuartm: I imagine it's a theming issue in music-ui.xml, but that's really just a semi-educated guess. :-) |
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| [20:11:06] | stuartm: | hashbang: I have it set to browse by directory instead and to show a flat list, which works so much better IMHO – but better is a relative term, it's better in the sense that Bill Shatner is a better actor than Adam Sandler |
| [20:11:26] | stuartm: | hashbang: it's not, it's some defect in the tree building code |
| [20:11:39] | hashbang: | stuartm: I use directory-based browsing too |
| [20:11:48] | hashbang: | stuartm: aha, I sit corrected. :-) |
| [20:12:14] | hashbang: | stuartm: my first thought was it was because I had some files in the top of my music tree, but that wasn't it |
| [20:12:25] | stuartm: | hashbang: hmm, in that case I can't reproduce, but I seem to remember that being an issue in the past |
| [20:12:45] | hashbang: | stuartm: yeah, I found mention of it on the list, but no followup/fix |
| [20:13:02] | stuartm: | hashbang: paul-h might have some insight |
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| [20:18:51] | Wicked: | anyone in here using ubuntu and a pvr-150? it seems they updated lirc today and now my blaster is fubar |
| [20:19:21] | hashbang: | what's the co-ordinate system for themes, i.e. origin/size |
| [20:19:23] | hashbang: | ? |
| [20:19:30] | stuartm: | x,y,w,h |
| [20:19:35] | Wicked: | i was previously using iirc jarod's zilog patch....but i tried to repatch and recompile like previously and it does not work |
| [20:19:44] | hashbang: | stuartm: origin being top left? |
| [20:19:46] | stuartm: | where x=0 and y=0 at the top left |
| [20:19:49] | hashbang: | snap |
| [20:19:51] | hashbang: | :-) |
| [20:19:52] | hashbang: | thanks |
| [20:20:14] | Wicked: | the make.log that contains the errors: http://pastebin.com/QBSRdyxr |
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| [21:53:52] | wagnerrp: | maybe someone should put up a webpage detailing the capabilities of VDPAU on different cards... |
| [21:53:59] | constantin: | hi |
| [22:05:39] | constantin: | when trying to transcode a record, i get an unspecified error. |
| [22:06:25] | constantin: | http://pastebin.com/ZYyG37Zg |
| [22:06:57] | sphery: | 2011-01–25 23:03:29.849 Please ensure that recording profiles for the transcoder are set |
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| [22:07:05] | sphery: | in mythfrontend settings |
| [22:07:10] | sphery: | Recording Profiles |
| [22:07:31] | constantin: | aye |
| [22:07:44] | stuartm: | ouch, those should exist by default, meaning they've been deleted, but the core profiles should not be removable |
| [22:07:45] | constantin: | there are recording profiles |
| [22:07:57] | constantin: | standard |
| [22:08:01] | constantin: | high, medium, low |
| [22:08:14] | constantin: | maybe some dependency is missing? |
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| [22:09:06] | constantin: | I also created a new profile, xvid, but that option isn't shown when i want to start a transcoding |
| [22:09:23] | constantin: | haven't restarted the backend since creating the profile, though |
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| [22:22:37] | sphery: | constantin: you need to set the profiles under Transcoders, specifically the one Autodetect from MPEG2 |
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| [22:23:10] | sphery: | I was thinking the autodetect one requires some config |
| [22:23:41] | gizmobay: | My flash works under FF but not with mythbrowser. Is it a different version flash for mythbr? |
| [22:23:51] | sphery: | constantin: you can always just select the recording in Watch Recordings, then MENU|User Jobs|Start transcoding, and then select a profile, like High Quality |
| [22:24:30] | sphery: | gizmobay: same flash, just has to be properly installed such that Webkit finds it |
| [22:24:41] | sphery: | (and has to be a version that doesn't cause your webkit to crash) |
| [22:24:58] | gizmobay: | okay I see |
| [22:25:38] | sphery: | and if you have a 32-bit firefox and flash on a multilib (32-bit and 64-bit) system, and mythtv is 64-bit, it won't work--you'd need a 64-bit flash |
| [22:27:21] | constantin: | sphery, seems like that worked. job is queued |
| [22:27:28] | gizmobay: | I have 64 bit flash. It crashes mythbrow on 10.04. My home PC has 10.10 so I installed a FE and hulu works |
| [22:27:39] | constantin: | there is some recording going on, guess I'll habe to wait ^^ |
| [22:27:47] | gizmobay: | so something must be wrong with 10.04 |
| [22:28:52] | sphery: | constantin: so if you set up your autodetect from mpeg2, it should work using the x in playback, too |
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| [22:54:14] | gizmobay: | thanks sphery, you pointed me in the right direction |
| [22:54:26] | gizmobay: | How do you make hulu full screen? |
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| [23:02:33] | sphery: | gizmobay: in mythnetvision? |
| [23:03:01] | sphery: | I think you can only get full screen for those sites whose scripts were updated to use the embedding/control api |
| [23:03:02] | gizmobay: | yes |
| [23:03:22] | sphery: | so if it's not full screen, it can't be unless you find an api and update the script? |
| [23:03:33] | gizmobay: | okay |
| [23:04:13] | sphery: | however, I fully admit to knowing almost nothing about mnv, so if anyone else says otherwise, trust them |
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| [23:05:10] | stuartm: | unless they claim to know even less |
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| [23:06:21] | sphery: | (I have plenty of backlogged recordings so I haven't found a need to go out and seek out more content to watch--and especially if it means dealing with flash and all its problems, and the poor UIs provided by the flash players, and lack of subtitles/captions/timestretch/instantaneous seeking, and annoying commercial every time you seek) |
| [23:06:49] | sphery: | And, yes, I know that Hulu offers captions as an option... But have you actually used them? It's a joke. |
| [23:09:42] | JEDIDIAH__: | unskippable commercials are like an unforgivable curse. End of discussion. |
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| [23:10:55] | JEDIDIAH__: | The only time I have to see hip-hop hamsters is at a movie theater (perversely enough) |
| [23:11:04] | nutron_: | What can I look at to figure out why mythweb isn't displaying the icons? I've checked permissions, logged in as the backend user .. i can read the jpg files, logged in as the http user, I can read the jpg files. |
| [23:12:47] | nutron_: | looked at MythBackend.php and others ( I can't remember, but I grepped for what I thought would be some sort of switch to enable debug output... can't find much of consequence. |
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| [23:14:07] | nutron_: | sphery, kormoc seems the reinstall fixed the lag cutouts... I don't understand what's different at all... but something.. somewhere was hosed. |
| [23:14:27] | nutron_: | did the logs give you any kind of idea? |
| [23:14:30] | sphery: | nutron_: interesting... reinstall was actually a reinstall and new DB, right? |
| [23:14:40] | nutron_: | sphery: yep |
| [23:14:46] | sphery: | I haven't looked into it, yet... I'll look at DB, now |
| [23:14:52] | nutron_: | purged all the libs... and the packages, and the db |
| [23:15:06] | nutron_: | no rush, my problem's fixed, but I still can't fathom wtf was going on |
| [23:16:29] | nutron_: | oh, mythweb doesn't retain default sort on the recording rules page... i assume it's done through scriptaculous, so it may not be mythweb's issue. but I can reproduce it, once I add arrested development as a rule, the default alphabetical sort on the recordings gets munged |
| [23:17:26] | nutron_: | I have no idea why that would cause it to happen, but i added two shows after arrested development, removed the rule, the sort works, add arrested development... sort is busted |
| [23:18:30] | sphery: | wow, that lzip is efficient |
| [23:18:38] | nutron_: | aye... 1.4 gig log file :P |
| [23:18:58] | kormoc: | We don't use scriptaculous |
| [23:19:17] | kormoc: | We should switch to jqueryui and datatables, but that's a bit of a overhaul |
| [23:19:27] | nutron_: | kormoc: no? I don't know why I thought you did. |
| [23:19:42] | sphery: | kormoc: wasn't there a recent fix for translation code overwriting some values causing it to forget settings like that? |
| [23:19:44] | nutron_: | jquery is t3h bomb |
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| [23:19:55] | kormoc: | We ship it as a lib but it's unused afaik |
| [23:20:08] | nutron_: | kk |
| [23:20:45] | kormoc: | nutron_, personally, I really like prototype over jquery. More of a useful platform, but alas there are *a lot* more devs using jquery and thus it gets the shinnies much faster :( |
| [23:20:48] | nutron_: | so is mythweb gettin' a new ***hole for .25? |
| [23:21:14] | kormoc: | xris is the one working on the re-write, I don't know it's status |
| [23:21:16] | nutron_: | kormoc: moved to jquery a while back, don't remember why honestly... i should wiki some of this stuff internally :) |
| [23:21:46] | nutron_: | ahh, thought you were the primo-go-to-guy on that stuff |
| [23:21:56] | nutron_: | I still get confused, don't mind me |
| [23:22:05] | kormoc: | mythweb's current table sorter is custom sorting code I wrote as at the time there was no really fast table sorters out there (mine was around 10x faster and it's still fairly faster these days) |
| [23:22:24] | kormoc: | nutron_, for the past few years, aye, xris took the reigns back again |
| [23:22:52] | nutron_: | it certainly is quick |
| [23:23:03] | sphery: | kormoc: so that makes you just a mythweb workhorse, now? |
| [23:23:07] | nutron_: | oh ok |
| [23:23:19] | sphery: | wearing the reigns and all |
| [23:23:24] | kormoc: | Guess so :P |
| [23:24:11] | nutron_: | so the sort stuff is a known bug? if so, I can move on and deal w/it as it's no big thing |
| [23:24:32] | nutron_: | but the icons thing is driving me mad |
| [23:24:34] | sphery: | nutron_: are you current? |
| [23:24:41] | sphery: | I was saying I thought it was a fixed bug |
| [23:25:02] | nutron_: | nah i'm running stable on this one.. actually haven't compiled a new current for a couple of months |
| [23:25:11] | nutron_: | -fixes and all |
| [23:25:31] | sphery: | current -fixes, at least? |
| [23:25:33] | nutron_: | yep |
| [23:25:46] | sphery: | though I don't know if the fix I was thinking of got backported |
| [23:25:54] | kormoc: | I backport nothing! |
| [23:25:55] | nutron_: | err... how do i check git for the current branch? |
| [23:25:59] | ** kormoc shifty eyes ** | |
| [23:26:08] | nutron_: | heh |
| [23:26:38] | nutron_: | kormoc: i can usually help myself, but i'm wondering, in your dev environment, what do you do to get the mythweb beast to spew debug? |
| [23:27:18] | kormoc: | nutron_, firebug + firephp and if I really need to debug, xdebug allows stepwise debugging |
| [23:28:00] | nutron_: | oooh maybe that's my failure, i gave up firefox last year... but the built in dom inspector works fantabulously |
| [23:28:44] | nutron_: | i mean in chromium :) |
| [23:29:05] | kormoc: | Firebug lite can't compare to full firebug |
| [23:29:34] | nutron_: | never used lite |
| [23:30:08] | nutron_: | in the code can i just print values? ... i just want to track this icon thing down |
| [23:30:11] | kormoc: | it's a js based firebug, you can get it as a chrome extension or just include it for IE/whatnots |
| [23:30:26] | kormoc: | sure, var_dump should work fine |
| [23:30:35] | nutron_: | ooh sexy thanks |
| [23:30:42] | ** nutron_ is not a php guy ** | |
| [23:31:32] | nutron_: | although back in 1999 I _did_ print the whole 400+ page manual for php... still have it in a binder heh |
| [23:31:41] | kormoc: | if you know C, you know php |
| [23:31:57] | nutron_: | yeh I write c and perl |
| [23:32:21] | nutron_: | but the tricky included functions and the oo syntax sometimes mystifies me |
| [23:32:53] | kormoc: | Heh, just assume the classes exist without being included and it all works (delayed loading for the confusion win! ;P ) |
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| [23:33:08] | nutron_: | :o |
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| [23:33:47] | nutron_: | is there a doc on the wiki about myth and git? |
| [23:33:54] | nutron_: | i'd like to get with the times |
| [23:34:06] | ** nutron_ uses the search "feature" ** | |
| [23:34:11] | kormoc: | There is somewhere like using_git? |
| [23:37:24] | nutron_: | ahh in the trac wiki... altogether different |
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