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Monday, January 24th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

(I assumed processing was done in a way that would yield the reported results, patched it so it wouldn't do that, then went to test the before/after, and couldn't reproduce it on the before.)

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k-man:

how can i check if a mkv file has subtitles embeded into it?

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wagnerrp:

there are tools to manipulate mkvs in the mkvtoolnix package

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k-man:

wagnerrp: cool, thanks ill have a look

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wagnerrp:

or you may be able to find something with 'mythffmpeg -i <file>'

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k-man:

wagnerrp: mkvtoolnix seems good, seems like i can use it to add .srt subtitles to an mkv

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wagnerrp:

better to just use the bitmapped subs on the DVD, and skip the OCR step

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wagnerrp:

unless youre pulling them out of the closed caption trac... but then those arent really subtitles

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k-man:

i got the subtiles from a different source

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k-man:

wagnerrp: i've also done the bitmap thing before too, which works pretty well

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wagnerrp:

in 0.23, that was the only option

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shiven:

anyone able to help with mythweb? "set up the db_* environment variables correctly", i've been through mythweb.conf and configured them correctly and still no dice?

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[R]:

shiven: where does the mythweb doducmentation say "set up the db_* environment variables correctly"

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shiven:

[R]: in /var/www/localhost/mythweb/mythweb.conf.apache

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shiven:

at least thats how i read it

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[R]:

thats not the mythweb documentation

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[R]:

README and INSTALL is the mythweb documntation

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shiven:

that'll teach me to use my package manager and hit the mythweb github lol

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shiven:

i'll go for a bit of a dig, thanks

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[R]:

if you are installing ap ackage

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[R]:

and it doesnt "justwork"

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[R]:

sounds like your packge is crap

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shiven:

well, i don't have alot of control over upstream, but gentoos repository has issues at the best of times =3

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kormoc:

shiven, it needs to be located in /etc/apache/vhosts.d/mythweb.conf and you'll need to restart apache for changes to take affect

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wagnerrp:

shiven: there is no mythweb package in github

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shiven:

wagnerrp: https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/blob/cc3c3a . . . d10a/INSTALL

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shiven:

thats what i was reading

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shiven:

kormoc: thanks :)

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nichos:

hi all,mythtv thinks i have dupicate tuners with the same ID, both mythweb & system status: http://pastebin.com/BhefBs1G

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kormoc:

nichos, no, Encoder #'s are unique, so they don't share the same ID

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wagnerrp:

nichos: yes

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sphery:

nichos: I think you set up your system by telling MythTV the IP address and you need to let MythTV autodetect the HDHR or something like that

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iamlindoro:

Correct, you are using digital tuners, and thus have two default multirec tuners

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sphery:

oh, wait, wagnerrp is here and knows the HDHR stuff

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iamlindoro:

each tuner is by default two encoders to take advantage of multirec

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wagnerrp:

sphery: hes got it set up properly, just a bit of confusion

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iamlindoro:

no HDHR knowledge required

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sphery:

ah, I see

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nichos:

sphery, when I go to setup it only has 4 tuners

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iamlindoro:

4 digital tuners = 8 encoders by default

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kormoc:

nichos, welcome to virtual tuners

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wagnerrp:

nichos: yes, an artifact of how mythtv handles multirec

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iamlindoro:

what you see/have is correct

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** nichos is confused as a baby in a topless bar! **

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nichos:

encoder != tuner, is that my problem?

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wagnerrp:

correct, with virtual tuners, there is not a 1=1 comparison

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nichos:

but i can only record 4 chans, correct?

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wagnerrp:

you can record 4 physical channels (frequencies)

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wagnerrp:

but you can record two virtual channels on each of those multiplexes

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nichos:

so what is the difference between encoder 1 and encoder 2?

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wagnerrp:

nothing

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wagnerrp:

they are just two different virtual tuners on the same physical tuner

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[R]:

nichos: the name

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wagnerrp:

mythtv understands internally how to use them

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nichos:

so this is normal?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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nichos:

ok, i'll have to read up on encoder/vs tuner

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nichos:

but as long as myth knows what's going on:)

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nichos:

thanks for your help all

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nichos:

Back, sorry, forgot to ask what prompted all of this. If I record 3 shows, this is what happens, I can't watch a different 4th show: http://pastebin.com/2pqNLgEC

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wagnerrp:

yes, you can watch a fourth show

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wagnerrp:

and you can even watch a fifth show (even though you only have four tuners)

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wagnerrp:

as long as that fifth show exists on a channel already tuned by one of the other tuners

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nichos:

If i click on say NFL, it just jumps to home makeover

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nichos:

encoder 0 and 1 don't seem to do anything

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wagnerrp:

youre on livetv?

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nichos:

yes

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wagnerrp:

tell your frontend to switch over to that tuner manually

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wagnerrp:

and you will have free reign of your lineup

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wagnerrp:

as long as youre using a shared tuner, you are restricted to the current multiplex

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nichos:

ok, that worked, i went to select input and selected "C:2 I:mpeg2ts" and it allowed me to change the chan, and it's recording 3 others

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nichos:

so why did I have to do that" I have "avoid conflicts" and "allow live tv to move scheduled shows" both checked in the general menu

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nichos:

it only happens when im recording 3 things

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nichos:

so if I go to live TV, shouldn't it use encoder 1 or 2? when i go to live TV, it goes right to this: http://pastebin.com/ELmmXgjm If I select 1 of the shows not recording, it just jumps to encoder8. Unless I manually select the source

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nichos:

perhaps I should delete tuner 0

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nichos:

and re-add it

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wagnerrp:

either you have mythtv set to avoid conflicts with livetv

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wagnerrp:

in which case it will choose the last tuner

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wagnerrp:

or you entered livetv before the first recording ended and that physical tuner was still in use

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wagnerrp:

in any case, multirec works great for recording, but it has long been a source of ire with livetv users

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nichos:

ok, im going to record 3 shows, and exit live tv

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wagnerrp:

so the solution? dont use livetv!

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nichos:

lol, then you have to delete everything all the time

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nichos:

ive not had a problem, only since i rebuit this machine. The ONLY thing special about tuner 0 is that i didn't give it a source when i first set it up

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nichos:

it has one now, but myth seems to want to avoid it

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wagnerrp:

shouldn't make any difference

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nichos:

i don't know if you remember me wagnerrp but I had that problem with the HDHR jumping to other tuners a few weeks back

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sphery:

order in which you connect inputs determines order of usage for recordings

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sphery:

which is why it's using tuner0 last

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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nichos:

we tried going by IP, auto detecting, etc – the only thing that fixed it was deleting and readding them

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sphery:

(I only read one line, so if I'm missing stuff, feel free to ignore)

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nichos:

i think i'll try that sphery

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nichos:

once roadhouse is done regarding;)

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nichos:

thanks for everyones assistance

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shiven:

i'm still struggling with mythweb – still getting the db_* env error. anyone have any suggestions? i've followed a tonne of guides and got nowhere =/

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wagnerrp:

ron white has some choice words about roadhouse

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[R]:

ron white: you can't fix stupid

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[R]:

i love that one

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** wagnerrp wonders if nichos is a bouncer **

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sphery:

shiven: you set your mythweb.conf properly?

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sphery:

shiven: are you using Apache httpd (the one that's best supported) or some other web server?

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shiven:

yeah, the directory is updated and the db_* functions are correct

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shiven:

apache2

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[R]:

wagnerrp: oh wow... remmeber that guy who dindt understand ddr2? i found another guy comparing flash rom to ddr2

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shiven:

its configured, and accessible

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sphery:

directory is updated?

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sphery:

you mean the file is updated with your DB info?

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shiven:

<directory "...."> value was incorrect

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shiven:

i pointed it to mythweb

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sphery:

and did you set the db info?

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shiven:

yes

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wagnerrp:

net neutrality is an awful thing, we need legislation to allow the internet to limit access to certain individuals

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wagnerrp:

come on people... why are you disabling your mouse cursor in your xorg.conf

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[R]:

wagnerrp: why not?

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[R]:

:)

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wagnerrp:

its disabled in mythtv by default, you have to MANUALLY ENABLE it to get it to show up

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sphery:

shiven: and you have PHP properly working on your server/in that directory? If so, I'm out of ideas--best I could offer is to suggest you look back through the MythWeb README

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt be having problems about trying to get rid of the mouse cursor

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[R]:

i actually disable it on the X command line

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wagnerrp:

X command line?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I think some of the "fancy" WM's ignore MythTV's hiding it

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sphery:

i.e. ones that have cubes and flames

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shiven:

sphery: php is configured correctly to the best of my knowledge, i'll hit that up next, i've been through the README and it hasn't really helped so thanks for hte pointer :)

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wagnerrp:

god forbid we cant have our precious flames

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sphery:

that's what makes a theme people would pay for

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[R]:

wagnerrp: when my X server starts... -nocursor is one of the options i pass on the commandline for it

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wagnerrp:

ooh, iamlindoro, idea!

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wagnerrp:

detect when a machine doesnt have enough power to play the content during those demos

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wagnerrp:

and use MORE power to render flames on top of the video

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iamlindoro:

haha

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

to indicate theyre burning their computer... or something...

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sphery:

if that's the criteria for flames, wouldn't we need to enable flames in Arclight at all times?

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iamlindoro:

I hear it causes epileptic fits through flickering

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sphery:

I didn't even test the theme after I saw the Surgeon General's warning.

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PennStateJoe74:

Good day folks! I'm looking to build a new myth frontend. highest recommended card when i build my first about a year ago was gt220. is that still best recommendation?

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wagnerrp:

430

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wagnerrp:

a 430 will get you bitstreaming of HD audio formats, if thats something youre concerned about

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, a 220 is capable of all the VDPAU deinterlacers

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wagnerrp:

and a 210 is the cheap option

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PennStateJoe74:

got it. thanks for the recommendation

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PennStateJoe74:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . mp;name=EVGA

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PennStateJoe74:

top one on page good?

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iamlindoro:

You can get a passively cooled onefor the same price

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iamlindoro:

Zotac

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wagnerrp:

or a slightly lesser clocked one for $10 less

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PennStateJoe74:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 75-_-Product

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PennStateJoe74:

passively cooled is 84 + 6 s/h

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iamlindoro:

So $5 more to know that the chintzy little fan won't die on you, and silent

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iamlindoro:

well worth it

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wagnerrp:

yeah, GPU fans tend to be junk

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wagnerrp:

i rarely have one last past 2 years

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wagnerrp:

failing fans usually dictates my upgrade cycle

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PennStateJoe74:

well this evga one is $59 after rebate with free shipping. so it's $59 vs. $90. still worth it?

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PennStateJoe74:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 80-_-Product

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wagnerrp:

honestly, id go for a $30 fanless GT210

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iamlindoro:

To me? Yes. But ultimately you'll decide what you want to go with

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wagnerrp:

do you have a receiver capable of HD audio?

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iamlindoro:

on order, finally

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wagnerrp:

i mean PennStateJoe74

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iamlindoro:

But at least I'm one of the few people with content to actually make use of it ;)

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iamlindoro:

ah

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wagnerrp:

if you dont already, thats going to be a several hundred dollar purchase

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wagnerrp:

if you dont have one, and arent planning on buying one, get a fanless 210 or 220

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PennStateJoe74:

yes, i have an hd capable receiver

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wagnerrp:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121385 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500159

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wagnerrp:

if you do have one, and more importantly you have one high end enough, with enough speakers, that you can actually hear the difference

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wagnerrp:

the $30 is going to be pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things

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wagnerrp:

and unless you are running cables from another room, you wont like the whine of a 40mm fan

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wagnerrp:

high end enough speakers, that is

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PennStateJoe74:

right, right. well i haven't decided on the final setup yet

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PennStateJoe74:

but my front / back end is in my basement with wires running through wall to wall mounted tv

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PennStateJoe74:

thinking of doing same on new box for bedroom

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PennStateJoe74:

bedroom might get my current 220 and put new 430 in livin room with hd receiver

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PennStateJoe74:

if i did that, it would be in baseement

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wagnerrp:

the osx packager does fe-only builds?

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iamlindoro:

It builds the BE TTBOMK

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achew22:

Is there a tracking ticket associated with commit 7bee31ebb from rmcnamera? (That is the one that adds a test HD feature)

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iamlindoro:

no tracking ticket

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achew22:

I was unaware of the "services.mythtv.org" is there a tracking ticket for that or a repo that has that code?

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iamlindoro:

it's just a hostname that we run some services off of, there's no repository as there's no real code

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achew22:

Oh... that's too bad. Are there any plans to do group recommendations or anything like that?

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iamlindoro:

no current plans

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achew22:

Are there any limitations on the language used there? is it a PHP server?

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iamlindoro:

I'm not sure I understand the question

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iamlindoro:

It's one of several hosts we have at our disposal

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iamlindoro:

it can run whatever services we require it to

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achew22:

okay, so it isn't a vps

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iamlindoro:

I win!

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Beirdo:

heh

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iamlindoro:

weren't we having a staring contest?

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Beirdo:

musta been :)

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achew22:

It seems to me like if there were a (not required) hub that independent myths could communicate through it could be very useful for people. Something like a hosted mythweb could be a way for the project to put a little extra in the coffers for prizes for theme developers and code bounties. It could also make suggestions about shows you might enjoy. Just an idea though.

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wagnerrp:

achew22: all is well and good, but it requires someone to write the code

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wagnerrp:

besides, i dont see much use to recommended recordings

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achew22:

wagnerrp: I think it could be used as the point of discovery for IPTV shows also

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iamlindoro:

iptv is just a delivery method

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wagnerrp:

mythtv only does broadcast recordings

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iamlindoro:

you're thinking of vodcasts/downloadable content

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wagnerrp:

terrestrial, satellite, cable, iptv, or otherwise

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kormoc:

The project has no coffers, remote mythweb would turn into something pretty difficult to handle, Recommendation engines are difficult :(

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iamlindoro:

But if someone turned up with a ready to go patch including web engine, we'd happily jump at it

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wagnerrp:

the most i could see is if we fed data into something like amazon or netflix, who could then recommend shows to purchase/rent

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iamlindoro:

trouble is, in a decade nobody ever has

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kormoc:

I could get my reco-engine into place pretty easily, it's just gonna take more then our single box to handle it

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, ooh, I have a recommendation engine done and it works decently well IMHO, just *a ton* of processing and if we add a large group to it...

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Beirdo:

we'd have to contract it out to google? :)

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: recommendation based off what?

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achew22:

kormoc: recording schedules I assume

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kormoc:

I'll likely expose it on one of my ec2 boxes when they get freed up

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wagnerrp:

does it rely on the usage patterns of other users? or could it be run locally?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, it relies on usage patterns of other users. It was the most accurate way in my simulations

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achew22:

kormoc: you could (maybe) distribute the processing to a lot of mythbackends?

[02:17:23]

kormoc:

achew22, record, recorded, and old recorded.

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wagnerrp:

the problem i have with recommended recordings is that there is only going to be so much content on at a given time

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kormoc:

achew22, bandwidth would be way way too much to allow downloads of the entire dataset

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achew22:

I don't know how embarrassingly parallelize-able the problem is

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wagnerrp:

every season, you maybe have 20–30 new series

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I have plans to take that into account

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wagnerrp:

and its easy enough to just look through those at the beginning of the season, and pick out ones that you think may be interesting

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kormoc:

donno if they'll work, gotta sit down, write it and simulate

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Beirdo:

in your copious spare time, no doubt

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achew22:

are there really no plans to add a recording device to myth that follows an RSS feed?

[02:19:00]

kormoc:

Yeah... that's the major blocker

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kormoc:

achew22, mythnetvision

[02:19:17]

kormoc:

achew22, what point is there in 'recording' something that streams?

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sphery:

also, in many of the cases out there, "recording" off RSS feeds is a violation of TOS

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sphery:

i.e. you're allowed to watch, but not keep

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sphery:

and it may be a violation of copyright

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achew22:

kormoc: I never said that it had to download them, I would l just like to see them on the "watch recordings" page

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wagnerrp:

achew22: thats exactly what mythnetvision is for

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achew22:

sorry I didn't know the details about it not being a recording device

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achew22:

kormoc: how many machines would it take? how big would the dataset be?

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kormoc:

achew22, I'm currently averaging around 75 megabytes per 'user', it all depends on how many users

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wagnerrp:

ouch

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kormoc:

I might be able to shave that down, but it requires all that free time I don't overly have

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, yeah...

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achew22:

kormoc: any chance you could let the community take a look?

[02:27:07]

kormoc:

Eventually

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achew22:

when you have some free time ;)

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iamlindoro:

Step 1) Rewrite in python

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

step 2) profit

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iamlindoro:

Step 2) allow thousands of idea men to have their say

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iamlindoro:

Step 3) assemble list of sentences beginning with "You know what'd be cool?"

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wagnerrp:

there is nothing in between, thats the magic of python

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wagnerrp:

:)

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iamlindoro:

Step 4) ???

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iamlindoro:

Step 5) Profit

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Beirdo:

I think Step 4 would be to sell to Google

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

hmmm, seems this CD needs replacing

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LyosNorezel:

greetings all... I've got an issue with my mceusb remote...

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LyosNorezel:

in irw I get "000000037ff07be1 00 KEY_UP mceusb

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LyosNorezel:

000000037ff07be1 01 KEY_UP mceusb" (every key gets an 00 and 01 keypress)

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LyosNorezel:

I've tried using the repeat and delay functions in lircrc... as well as the gap function in lircd.conf... to no avail...

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LyosNorezel:

any ideas?

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gizmobay:

Does Hulu Mythnetvision work?

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kormoc:

gizmobay, check the wiki page that lists what works with what?

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gizmobay:

It doesn't really say it doesn't work

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LyosNorezel:

anyone?

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gizmobay:

http://pastebin.com/g5C1wx9r

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gizmobay:

Is the error I receive in the FE

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wagnerrp:

gizmobay: sounds like a problem you should take up with adobe

[03:03:50]

wagnerrp:

or maybe trolltech

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: heard there was a third stone, but they decided it wasnt important

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iamlindoro:

Yep, not in our code

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, heh

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wagnerrp:

either that or mel broo^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hmoses dropped it

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wenko:

anyone able to suggest a good mobo with intergrated HDMI+HDMI_Audio that runs like a charm under linux?

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wagnerrp:

wenko: intel or amd?

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wenko:

intel prefered

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wagnerrp:

form factor?

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wenko:

i7 1155/1156 if possible

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wenko:

any form factor

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wagnerrp:

nope, no can do

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wenko:

lame.

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wenko:

any other recommendations

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wagnerrp:

actually, i have no idea the state of hdmi audio with the intel stuff

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wagnerrp:

a dual core 1156, or any 1155, should work fine for mythtv using the opengl painter and renderer

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wagnerrp:

but i dont know if youll get audio

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iamlindoro:

On my X3100 chipset it used to work great

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iamlindoro:

dunno about the i* stuff

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: that your dell studio box?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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wenko:

hmm

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LyosNorezel:

does anyone have a solution for the multiple events for single keypress issue?

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wagnerrp:

the repeat and delay settings youve been messing with should do it

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wagnerrp:

did you restart mythfrontend after editing that file?

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LyosNorezel:

wagnerrp: yep

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LyosNorezel:

wagnerrp: they fail to fix the issue

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LyosNorezel:

wagnerrp: ""000000037ff07be1 00 KEY_UP mceusb

[03:13:42]

LyosNorezel:

000000037ff07be1 01 KEY_UP mceusb" note the "00" and "01" in the two different lines

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LyosNorezel:

one appears to happen on press... the other on release

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iamlindoro:

Have you been trying to get Hulu desktop set up?

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iamlindoro:

Since part of those silly instructions includes setting lirc up to create an event on release

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LyosNorezel:

erm... no... I don't use hulu

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iamlindoro:

you are running lircd with the -r (--release) switch

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LyosNorezel:

this is a "vanilla" Fedora 14 MythTV 0.24 install

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iamlindoro:

you are running lircd with the -r (--release) switch

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LyosNorezel:

hmmm

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LyosNorezel:

no

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iamlindoro:

your observation disagrees with that assertion

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LyosNorezel:

iamlindoro: not unless that's the default

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iamlindoro:

I couldn't speak to what the default is on your distro

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LyosNorezel:

iamlindoro: it's very definitely not running with the -r switch... I checked the sysconfig/lirc file... no such switch is evident

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LyosNorezel:

iamlindoro: I tried passing the --release option to lircd... and I found I would get three keypresses in irw... the two like before... and a third like so: "000000037ff07be1 00 KEY_UP_UP mceusb" which indicates that that switch adds the release code...

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LyosNorezel:

iamlindoro: and confirms my earlier assertion that lircd IS NOT running with the --release switch

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clgshaft_:

Is it possible to view mythtv recordings on iPhone or iPad?

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wagnerrp:

sure, there is an iPhone profile for mythweb

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clgshaft:

Ok

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if it will play recordings directly, or if they will need to be transcoded to a suitable format

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kormoc:

We will stream recording_name.mp4 in a iphone compatible way

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Beirdo:

fun... watching CSI while ripping The Who – Who Are You

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clgshaft:

Ok

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clgshaft:

Without doing anything?

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clgshaft:

I have to access mythweb through safari

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kormoc:

no. You'll need to get the recordings into the proper format and size to allow you to stream it

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clgshaft:

Ok

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clgshaft:

Transcode

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clgshaft:

First time using mythweb

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clgshaft:

Pretty cool

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shiven:

hey again, i'm back =[

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shiven:

i managed to get apache2 / php / mythweb to all play together, but mythweb doesn't display what i'd expect to be theme stuff

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shiven:

i get the icons for each button on a white background and a list opposed to the dropdowns you'd expect

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shiven:

anyone experianced it before?

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shiven:

more precisely, i get this: http://img204.imageshack.us/i/mythtv.jpg/

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wagnerrp:

that looks like WEP mode

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shiven:

didn't even know mythweb had a WEP mode

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shiven:

the interesting bit is if i force open_basedir in php.ini i get the themes

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clever:

i see that kind of thing when the css sheet fails to load

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shiven:

but massive errors to go with it

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wagnerrp:

try going into the database, and 'truncate table mythweb_sessions;'

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shiven:

no dice :(

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shiven:

i knew something had to go wrong, myth had been kind to me for far too long lol

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kormoc:

your css isn't loading, check apache's error.log for hints

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shiven:

nothing

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shiven:

there's actually no entry past when i restarted apache

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shiven:

about 2 hours ago =/

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Beirdo:

the blue bus is calling us....

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wagnerrp:

is it short?

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

sorry. Listening to The Doors – The End

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wagnerrp:

i knew someone who owned a bus

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wagnerrp:

big yellow one

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Beirdo:

wow, that Queen CD is gonna get replaced

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wagnerrp:

filled it with server gear and called it his 'mobile command center'

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Beirdo:

cooool

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Beirdo:

that would be fun

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wagnerrp:

had an old 4mbps laser wireless uplink that he could use to connect remotely

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wagnerrp:

this was back in like '99, so his 'server gear' was old 486s

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Beirdo:

still fun

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wenko:

I need to pose a question again. Can any one suggest hardware for a computer with working HDMI video out, with working Audio over HDMI in Linux?

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wenko:

I am hoping to be able to use HDMI for audio as well, but it seems that is not an easy feat on some

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wenko:

so, if anyone has it working please let me know what hardware you are using

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wenko:

there must be someone here who has a working system

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kormoc:

wenko, check the wiki

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kormoc:

the one with the list of known working HDMI audio cards

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wenko:

Can I bug you for the link?

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wenko:

disregard

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wenko:

woah

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wenko:

these are all ancient...

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wenko:

ok, so back to my origional question. What is everyone here using?

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kormoc:

Headphone jack to RCA adapter

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wenko:

:(

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kormoc:

I think most people use a GT2xx or GT4xx depending if they need HD audio or not

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wenko:

So no audio on one?

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kormoc:

huh?

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wenko:

not sure what you mean by that

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wenko:

if I want HD Audio and Video over HDMI in a Linux environment what would you suggest

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kormoc:

GT4xx cards, they support the most HD audio outputs currently

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wenko:

excellent

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wenko:

thanks

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wenko:

so GT420 etc?

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kormoc:

yeah, they support 7.1 LPCM I believe

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kormoc:

although I don't know if any media even uses that currently

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wenko:

excellent!

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wenko:

I have to admit, that I have no sound system yet...just stereo audio from the tv

[08:13:16]

wenko:

but it will come soon

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wenko:

and I want better than stereo

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waxhead_:

I just use the spdif out on my pc to my AMP, that's good enough for now

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wenko:

waxhead_: my TV does not support that

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wenko:

once I get an amp maybe, but at this time it is just a tv

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kormoc:

Are you sure your TV supports HD audio codecs for it even to make sense to buy a card that will output them?

[08:19:19]

kormoc:

there's half a dozen different audio codecs that can be output over HDMI, not everything can handle all of them

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kormoc:

I personally wouldn't worry about what a card today supports as when you're ready to shell out a few grand on audio equipment, buying another GPU for $40 isn't gonna make /that/ much of a difference

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kormoc:

and who knows what will change between then and now

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wenko:

At this point I am ready to settle for STEREO audio

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wenko:

I just want 1080p + Stereo Audio

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wenko:

seems to be too much to ask based on these forums

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Beirdo:

I do like these headphones

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Beirdo:

a bit of FM interference from the computers at times... wish it was digital RF, but I'll live

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Beirdo:

Gotta say, the RF side of this is a huge disappointment from Sennheiser

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mattwj2002:

hi all

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Beirdo:

they also should squelch when the transmitter shuts off

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mattwj2002:

anyone know why transcoding may be randomly failing for me?

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

must be the boogie man

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mattwj2002:

a reboot of the server fixes it

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mattwj2002:

haha

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mattwj2002:

probably of the backend too

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mattwj2002:

I have plenty of disk space

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nutron:

hmm anyone know why say... after adding 8 or so recording rules, the interface to mythweb suddenly seem sto forget defaults?

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Beirdo:

usually, failed commflag and transcodes are due to bad recordings that can't get decoded cleanly for whatever reason

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mattwj2002:

so like bad signal?

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Beirdo:

could be, yes

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mattwj2002:

during the recording

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mattwj2002:

ok

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mattwj2002:

yeah my signal is kind of weak

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Beirdo:

there are other reasons, I'm sure, but garbage in, garbage out... :)

[09:35:21]

** Beirdo is ripping Van Halen II from LP **

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mattwj2002:

I really need to buy something like this

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mattwj2002:

http://amzn.com/B000WPGRKK

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mattwj2002:

nice Beirdo

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Beirdo:

and in the changer getting ripped from CD... (and failing) is another Van Halen album

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Beirdo:

it's gacking on 316

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Beirdo:

yay, another CD to replace

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mattwj2002:

:(

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Beirdo:

at the end of all this, all my CDs and LPs will be in FLAC format, sorted, tagged, etc

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nutron:

How many to go Beirdo?

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Beirdo:

oooh, lots of clicks on this one

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Beirdo:

hundreds :)

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nutron:

Did you say that there's a fuse system to auto transcode to mp3?

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Beirdo:

I have 65 CDs in the changer right now

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Beirdo:

yeah, mp3fs

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nutron:

I ripped all my media to mp3 because none of my "devices" supported flac.

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nutron:

Ahh crap, I'll have to redo it all.

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Beirdo:

hehhe

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nutron:

:(

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Beirdo:

I'm ripping to flac as I can convert from that to anything

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Beirdo:

without another lossy cycle

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nutron:

Aye, you just made me very bitter. I hummed and hawed for eons and decided to go high quality mp3 instead.

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nutron:

Heh.

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Beirdo:

this LP is mixed backwards IMHO

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Beirdo:

it has Eddie on the left, Michael on the right

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nutron:

Anyone else awake re:mythweb?

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Beirdo:

on stage, it was the other way around at the concert I went to

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nutron:

Ok, let me ask this way, auto-expiry and auto-commflag aren't checked in mythweb. common issue? This one's new for me.

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Beirdo:

no idea. I think that's set in your session or something

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nutron:

Ok, somewhere to take a look. Thx.

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waxhead_:

flac is too big... :)

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waxhead_:

even with large disk capacity...

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waxhead_:

and then there's the pain of converting to mp3 for the ipods etc...

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waxhead_:

I just caved in and did everything as mp3..

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Beirdo:

too big?

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Beirdo:

buy more drive space, sheesh

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Beirdo:

and there is no pain to cconvert

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Beirdo:

mp3fs makes that dead simple

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nutron:

Beirdo, is it quick?

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nutron:

And does it retain/create tags?

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nutron:

s/create/embed/

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Beirdo:

yes

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nutron:

nice

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Beirdo:

well, I'm gonna hit the sack

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mattwj2002:

good night Beirdo

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fer:

hi

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Solaris444:

Hi all. Is there any way to stop mythtv from preventing system shutdown when the physical power button is pressed?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv doesnt do anything when the physical power button is pressed

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Solaris444:

On my box MythTV aborts the shutdown wagnerrp.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has no inherent capability to do so

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Solaris444:

It comes up with a dialogue saying something like "MythTV still running. System shutdown aborted."

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wagnerrp:

thats something you (or your distro) has added

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Solaris444:

It comes up in Myth's theme, so it's not a message from the system itself.

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter

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wagnerrp:

when you press the power button, your system receives an ACPI event indicating as such

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wagnerrp:

your system decides what to do with it

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Solaris444:

Right.

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Solaris444:

Then why is Myth able to block the shutdown event?

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wagnerrp:

you happen to have configured your system to shutdown through mythtv

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wagnerrp:

your system is calling some mythtv program (mythshutdown?) when you press the button

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wagnerrp:

rather than going through the normal syscalls

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wagnerrp:

that is something you (or your distro) have to manually configure

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Solaris444:

ah ok.

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Solaris444:

I'll see if I can figure it out.

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cal_:

is there a way to disable libmythupnp? I keep getting general protection faults with it! and dont use upnp...

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wagnerrp:

--noupnp

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cal_:

thx

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cal_:

for some reason ubuntu 10.10 is much less stable than 9.04 was for me. getting random protection faults and segfaults in mythfrontend, mythupnp, and firefox.

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wagnerrp:

sounds like bad memory, or some other bit of failing hardware

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cal_:

click on a link in firefox, X server restarts and goes to login screen sometimes (15% of the time or so)

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wagnerrp:

maybe you havent cleaned your system out in a while, and dust is causing parts to overheat

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cal_:

well i didnt think overheating could cause segfaults, i thought segfaults were bad programming mistakes that point to memory that shouldn't be accessed.

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wagnerrp:

generally, you are correct

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wagnerrp:

but hardware issues can manifest themselves in any manner

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sid3windr:

and especially if multiple programs start crashing...

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wagnerrp:

and those non-discript 'general protection faults' are often a very bad sign

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cal_:

however. the one hardware change i made at the same time as upgrading to 10.10 was replacing a geforce 7600 with a 7800 (which requires its own power connector and the other one didnt)

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cal_:

so i may put the old video card back in for a bit and see if its more stable.

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wagnerrp:

perhaps its drawing too much power on a cheap PSU

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wagnerrp:

and undervolting other parts

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wagnerrp:

causing instability

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cal_:

yes that is what i was thinking before. PSU or overheating. then i read up on what causes segfaults, which made me think otherwise.

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wagnerrp:

segfaults typically indicate some programming error

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wagnerrp:

if youre getting system-wide segfaults, and other spurious instabilities

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cal_:

however I am also getting the general protection errors

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wagnerrp:

youve got something far more serious going on

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cal_:

well not system wide. just myth related and firefox. UI stuff.

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** hashbang had a weird one at the weekend. I needed to run up my old MythTV box to check something, did a reboot, and every boot thereafter failed with a Machine Check Exception until I cleaned the CPU fan out. **

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cal_:

also strange that I can watch tv or a movie all day long. it only segfaults or general protection faults when i am 'interacting' with the UI.. browsing in firefox or changing channels in mythtv or such.

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wagnerrp:

seems place shifting is now deemed illegal in japan

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cal_:

after using arclight for a couple days for some reason I just fell back to the mythbuntu theme.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: thanks for the heads up--I'll have to keep that in mind if I go to Japan (won't want to take my recordings there)

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sphery:

(not that I'm at all likely to go there any time in the foreseeable future)

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wagnerrp:

in other news, italian scientists claim to have been using a cold fusion reactor for the past two years, and plan to go commercial within a few months... but still have no idea how it works

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cal_:

your not serious?!

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gregL:

wagnerrp, Do you have a link to the cold fusion article?

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wagnerrp:

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