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Sunday, January 23rd, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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kormoc:

Good news is existential crisis help in bed, http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2108#comic

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

kormoc: oh, and thanks a lot--one more comic site I have to hit every day, now

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sphery:

when will I ever find time to work

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

SMBC is worth it. It's up there with XKCD

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sphery:

yeah, seems that way

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Can you please ban jedi from the list? See last post for justification. Thanks

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iamlindoro:

Same will follow in this channel, since he's present, if he decides to continue the misbehavior

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wagnerrp:

you know, maybe i would accept i was wrong if i couldnt search google and find the exact same name on torrent sites

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iamlindoro:

It's always the asme small group of agitators that want to "come to the rescue" when people are caught a red handed thiefs

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iamlindoro:

I have no issue whatsoever with antagonizing and banning them, and literally YEARS of seeing the same people make the enforcement of our relatively few simple rules a nightmare is enough

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iamlindoro:

Stealing is wrong. If they had any balls at all they might try standing up for what is right.

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sphery:

but multi-million-dollar movies just want to be free

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sphery:

after all, some guys made blender, so now movies can be made with FOSS software, so there's no value to movies, anymore

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iamlindoro:

I have a packet of sees, I'm just going to steal my produce from now on

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iamlindoro:

er seeds

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sphery:

iamlindoro: exactly... just like with software, you can download OpenOffice.org, then steal a copy of MS Office

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sphery:

oh, wait, it seems all the above /is/ stealing

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sphery:

sorry--been reading too much -users list

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wagnerrp:

sphery: not if youre in finland

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iamlindoro:

ah, the old finland defense

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sphery:

oh, well, I don't know Finnish copyright laws, so that's probably true

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sphery:

the old, "Assume that it's legal to steal intellectual property in all parts of the world, except the US," approach to thievery

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iamlindoro:

yes, lucky fellows living in that massive number of courties where theft is ok, you like, like Finland.

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iamlindoro:

er countries-- my typing is awful today

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iamlindoro:

er you know, like

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

time for iamlindoro to get a new keyboard

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sphery:

that one must be broken

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iamlindoro:

Or stop mashing the existing one with fists out of rage

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

"Fists of Rage" could be a multi-billion dollar video game

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iamlindoro:

well, it could if it wasn't totally okay to just download it

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sphery:

yeah, but you still have to write, produce, code, and fund it

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sphery:

after all, if not, you're not a team player

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sphery:

I mean the kind of guy who doesn't produce a costs-millions video game for people to steal is the kind of guy who likely wouldn't re-code all of MythNetvision in Python if he were told to by some FOSS user

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Elv13:

Hi, I added a third screen to my PC for myth, when I open the frontend, it open on screen one, even if my window manager have a rule to show it on screen 3, I also edited in the theme menu and selected screen 3, it still show on screen one, why?

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wagnerrp:

these are independent screens? or are you using xinerama/randr?

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Elv13:

xinerama

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Elv13:

it first show one screen3, then move to screen1

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Elv13:

wagnerrp: any idea?

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wagnerrp:

remove the screen and window manager settings

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wagnerrp:

tell mythtv to use an absolute location

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Elv13:

it was not working before I added them

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Elv13:

wagnerrp: where?

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wagnerrp:

same place you set the xinerama screen

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Elv13:

wagnerrp: xorg.conf?

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sphery:

same place in mythfrontend settings

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wagnerrp:

you said you went in the theme manu, and told it to use screen 3

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Elv13:

ok

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Elv13:

what do I set ti to? there is no "default"

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wagnerrp:

the top left of the primary screen will be 0,0

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wagnerrp:

just offset it to whatever you need to

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sphery:

And if you're using a non-xinerama multi-screen display, you won't see the "Display on screen" and "Monitor aspect ratio" (both in Appearance Settings).

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Elv13:

dont work, the field is limited to 1000, I need 4384

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wagnerrp:

can you just type it in directly?

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Elv13:

no

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Elv13:

limited to 1000, it do nothing after 438

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Elv13:

is there a "shut up and let the wm do its job option"

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sphery:

Elv13: http://<backendaddress>:6544/Myth/PutSe . . . p;Value=4384

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Elv13:

to stop forcing incorect xprop

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sphery:

Elv13: MythTV is not forcing it incorrectly

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sphery:

it's doing exactly what you've told it to do

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wagnerrp:

mythtv was never intended as a desktop application

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sphery:

and that

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Elv13:

i tell it to appear on screen3 and it show on screen 1, it look incorect to me

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wagnerrp:

those settings are really intended as a workaround for overscan

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iamlindoro:

Well with that attitude it'll never spin on a cube

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sphery:

Elv13: where did you "tell it to appear on screen3"?

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iamlindoro:

or combust on exit

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sphery:

Elv13: the "Display on screen" setting?

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sphery:

as that's the only way to do so

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sphery:

and that only works if you WM supports it

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Elv13:

sphery: yes

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sphery:

Elv13: and what version of MythTV are you using

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Elv13:

the WM support it, it first show on the right screen, than blik and "teleport" itself on screen1

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sphery:

if that's not working, I'm guessing 0.23-pre-release-thats-broken

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Elv13:

.23

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sphery:

*buntu 10.04 default install?

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Elv13:

0.23_p24661

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iamlindoro:

so yes, pre-release

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Elv13:

gentoo old install, the server is mythbuntu 10.10

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sphery:

ah, still, a broken 0.23

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sphery:

you need to upgrade

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sphery:

the frontend machine

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wagnerrp:

0.23 was 24509 i think

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sphery:

to current 0.23-fixes, ideally

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sphery:

the fix went into 0.23 late

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sphery:

so he needs pretty current 0.23

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Elv13:

oops, I have 0.23.1_p25496

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats post release

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, For some reason I thought it was in the early 25xxx but you could be right

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Elv13:

the other was the theme pack

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sphery:

Elv13: well, I'm not going to, so feel free to look up the changeset number that fixed the broken placement

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sphery:

or just upgrade to as current 0.23-fixes as you can possibly upgrade without version compatibility issues and see if it works

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Elv13:

I will update to p27****, this should fix it and still be compatible with the mythbuntu 10.10 server?

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sphery:

(i.e. be careful about 0.23.1-fixes if you're running anything other than *buntu)

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sphery:

0.23.1-fixes is not compatible with 0.23-fixes

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sphery:

so you'll likely have to upgrade both your mythbuntu and Gentoo boxes

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iamlindoro:

10.10 came with .23.1

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Elv13:

does mythbuntu have an upgrade path?

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sphery:

ah, then it should be compatible

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sphery:

then again, I think the fix was before 0.23.1

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sphery:

anyway, I have to fix dinner

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sphery:

wagnerrp , a.k.a. HDHR Expert: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9491#comment:2

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wagnerrp:

closed

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sphery:

thx

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sphery:

glad that--as long as it's taking to get a fix--you found a way to make the new lib work

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sphery:

heh, the new dell all-in-one computers are using Athlon II procs--just like the HP all-in-ones

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wagnerrp:

as far as i can tell, the problem is mythtv-only

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wagnerrp:

ive not been able to reproduce it with their command line utility

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DanC:

ugh. I changed a fan in my pc, and mythtv no longer works. can't figure out why not. I can watch recordings, but if I try to watch live TV, it just says "Please wait..." and hangs

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wagnerrp:

by changing... a fan?

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DanC:

I doubt changing the fan is the cause

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Twiggy2cents:

Why do people use pulseaudio?

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Twiggy2cents:

What is wrong with alsa alone to manage it?

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy2cents: because they dont know better

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wagnerrp:

desktop environments want an audio server, they always have

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wagnerrp:

and pulse just provides them a fancy gui out of the box

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wagnerrp:

thats the only reason

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Twiggy2cents:

Lol, on my current fedora install I decided to use pulseaudio. Well I have removed it due to an issue I have of audio losing sync and coming back on its own. Worse on some avi's(may not be related) But I noticed it does it on tv and recordings too, not near as bad though. So far it seems fine with no pulse

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wagnerrp:

assuming you encoded those avis with VBR audio... the avi container does not support variable bitrate audio

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Twiggy2cents:

well I will put it this way, I have no clue what they are encoded in. I am not the author.

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Twiggy2cents:

So is there a fancy alsa gui? Just wondering. I think Ubuntu has a gui that will relate with alsa

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sphery:

DanC: check backend and frontend logs

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DanC:

yeah; did that. nothing suggestive

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** DanC has to dash... **

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sphery:

and video devices are still in the right places after reboot?

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** DanC wishes he had time to stay and be helped... **

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Perdignus:

What would cause DVD root menus to play with choppy audio and "ALSA, Error: WriteAudio: buffer underrun" in the logs?

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wagnerrp:

so are we getting no more episodes of good guys?

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** wagnerrp is cleaning out old recording rules **

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iamlindoro:

seems like not

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Twiggy2cents:

I'm pretty sure you can delete your recording rule for life unexpected

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wagnerrp:

is #9503 actually a bug?

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iamlindoro:

not that I'm aware

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iamlindoro:

its' the expected behavior on underpowered/otherwise busy systems

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iamlindoro:

Ask sphery what he thinks, but I'd close it

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iamlindoro:

We don't need more tickets that aren't bugs, we've got plenty

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sphery:

yeah, I'm thinking that's an overloaded combined frontend/backend box

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wagnerrp:

sphery: this commit just uses the same tables, and moves them from mythvideo control to main schema control?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: exactly

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sphery:

so it's only a matter of the version number handling stuff

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sphery:

from this point on , DB schema version 1267 = mythvideo schema is part of core, so any future mythvideo schema changes will be reflected in updated TV DBSchemaVer

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sphery:

woah, that was unusual

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sphery:

someone popped in and said good things about mythtv

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iamlindoro:

It means something changed in the Matrix

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iamlindoro:

Were they good things, or were they the SAME good things?

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sphery:

did they reset it, again?

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sphery:

I

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sphery:

'm going to have to re-do all the same stuff I've been doing the last 250 times

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sphery:

I'm getting to old for this

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wagnerrp:

heh... what timing

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wagnerrp:

i was already sitting here in the dark with headphones on listening to massive attack

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jamesd_laptop:

if any one is here and bored and into audio gear, i found this cool pdf distributed magazine... http://www.vinylphilemag.com/pdf/vinylphile-004.pdf even if you don't like vinyl

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plut0:

has anyone tried running mythtv in a VM?

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wagnerrp:

you can, you shouldnt

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plut0:

wagnerrp: whys that?

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wagnerrp:

why would you want to?

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plut0:

wagnerrp: well, i build out a few vm's so i'd like the host to be very minimal

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jamesd_laptop:

un-utilized cores on a vmware esx box... that might as well do something, at least it can pull duty as a backend.

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wagnerrp:

the only reason one would want to use a full VM is either sandboxing for development, or because you want to consolidate systems running multiple different OSs

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plut0:

wagnerrp: a dev version would be nice too, i use gentoo and updates can be painful sometimes

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plut0:

i'd like to try with KVM but my cpu doesn't support hardware virtualization

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jamesd_laptop:

would have to use a network based tuner device... usb doesn't play well with esx.. and no pci support.

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plut0:

jamesd_laptop: pci passthrough should work on KVM

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wagnerrp:

or if youre just trying to keep things clean, a simple chroot would do just as good

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plut0:

was just curious if anyone has done it

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wagnerrp:

im sure tons of people have, but not for good reason

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plut0:

is there any channels here for hardware discussion of remotes?

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wagnerrp:

#lirc ?

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plut0:

not so much software, looking for universal remote choices

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wagnerrp:

oh, not really

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plut0:

i've been looking at URC

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plut0:

anyone using URC remotes here?

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GreyFoxx:

Wow, I just updated and now going into mythvideo takes 12 seconds before it shows the files/folders and before it was less than 1

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wagnerrp:

issues with the image hunt?

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GreyFoxx:

Possibely, I;'m just firing it up now with -v all

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wagnerrp:

it only takes a couple seconds to open for me, using remote frontends on a fairly old backend

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wagnerrp:

and a couple thousand entries

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GreyFoxx:

It's all database queries from the looks of it

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wagnerrp:

there should only be one big one

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wagnerrp:

did you put it into one of the auto-sort modes?

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wagnerrp:

where instead of using the directory structure, it builds its own tree view

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GreyFoxx:

Not that I remember ever doing

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wagnerrp:

some of those can take a long time

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GreyFoxx:

It's in Gallery mode showing me my directory structure

[03:12:25]

GreyFoxx:

not sorting by year, cast or any of that other stuff

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GreyFoxx:

I see TONS of these though

[03:12:51]

GreyFoxx:

2011-01–22 23:08:34.648 MSqlQuery::next(DBManager1) Result: "data = ddd MMM d"

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GreyFoxx:

2011-01–22 23:08:34.650 MSqlQuery::exec(DBManager2) SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'dateformat' AND hostname = 'bork' <<<< Returns 1 row(s)

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iamlindoro:

DB queries in MythVideo haven't changed in years

[03:13:19]

iamlindoro:

only the addition of fields, but no new queries

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wagnerrp:

crashed table?

[03:13:35]

GreyFoxx:

I have 10 seconds of those queries going on now

[03:14:52]

GreyFoxx:

if I do, I don't know what would have caused it. the only thing that has happened was a shutdown on all machines of all things myth, start the backed in sequence and then start the FE

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: what update? from version to version?

[03:16:42]

GreyFoxx:

b0.24-641-gc9a8483-dirty according to my log to v0.25pre-937-g30a26a7-dirty

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J-e-f-f-A:

+++

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wagnerrp:

ive got about a second and a half between hitting Watch Videos, and the content showing up

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sphery:

I /think/--though I haven't investigated it--that if you define a Video storage group on a host whose backend isn't available, you end up waiting on the timeout for that hose each time you enter MythVideo

[03:17:37]

GreyFoxx:

hmmmm

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sphery:

so if you did the update and changed hostnames or something and never "decommissioned" (or renamed) an old backend with a Videos SG, ...

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sphery:

s/that hose/that host/

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J-e-f-f-A:

-+-+++++++++++++

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GreyFoxx:

my cat must be on his keyboard

[03:19:15]

wagnerrp:

sphery: that would only slow down a scan

[03:19:21]

sphery:

or he disagrees with teh first and third words I said, but agrees with the 2nd and 4th through ...

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wagnerrp:

scans are not automatically performed on entry

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sphery:

wagnerrp: were they in 0.23?

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wagnerrp:

nope, nor in 0.22

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sphery:

(since that's the version where I've had it happen)

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wagnerrp:

the most you would have to worry about is problems with it drying to load artwork from an offline backend

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wagnerrp:

and even then, thats now in a background thread and shouldnt be a problem

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sphery:

that may be where it's slowing down

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sphery:

now = post 0.24?

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sphery:

er, post 0.23

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wagnerrp:

honestly, i thought that was pre-0.23

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GreyFoxx:

It does seem to be database related. in my logs I see 10 seconds of the same select over and over

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wagnerrp:

the same select?

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GreyFoxx:

http://pastebin.com/KqsaGGcC

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GreyFoxx:

that goes on for 10 seconds

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sphery:

could it be that logging those queries slows things?

[03:22:27]

sphery:

or were you seeing it before enabled -v database?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: well it simply shouldnt be doing that

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GreyFoxx:

I turned that on after I noticed the slow startup time

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GreyFoxx:

before I was just doing a -v most

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GreyFoxx:

err I mean -v playback

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sphery:

ah yeah, just looked at the queries... Really, the settings cache should be holding that

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that looks like a problem wiht the corecontext getsetting call

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bmidgley_:

mplayer can tune one of my channels but myth cannot... they seem to be using the same frequency and id

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bmidgley_:

hd3000 digital

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bmidgley_:

cat ~/.mplayer/channels.conf => 89:579000000:QAM_256:1984:1985:9

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv-setup isnt picking that up in a channel scan?

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GreyFoxx:

It does look like something disabled the settings cache before I entered mythvideo

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bmidgley_:

wagnerrp, the last time I did a channel scan, I lost almost every channel

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bmidgley_:

I don't dare to wander into that minefield

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wagnerrp:

well if you dont do a channel scan, how is mythtv going to know about a new channel?

[03:30:11]

sphery:

bmidgley_: that's what backups are for

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sphery:

if you make things worse, restore

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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GreyFoxx:

I just killed and restarted the backend and http://pastebin.com/6jKUgA8V that is all the logentries mentioning the settings cache with the it being disabled at the end

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bmidgley_:

I'm making nightly backups now after that last experience but yeah I'll try rescanning

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GreyFoxx:

and it doesn't get reenabled when I enter a plugin and such

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GreyFoxx:

err I meant killed and restarted the frontend

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GreyFoxx:

in fact now that I'm navigating around it never seems to be renenabled

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GreyFoxx:

HAH, if I go into setup, flick all the way through one set of settings menus, as soon as I hit ok at the end it renables the settings cache

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GreyFoxx:

and now when I go into mythvideo it's back to normal

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sphery:

wagnerrp: OK, I think the guy who was getting slow entry into MythVideo when he had the backend with Videos SG defined has "File Browse Mode" enabled

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sphery:

that's the evil one that reads from the file system and ignores the DB, right?

[03:34:18]

GreyFoxx:

So the cache is being left in a disabled start right at startup unless you happen to go into settings or do some other set of actions to trigger it on

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wagnerrp:

yes, in file browse mode, it does have to rescan everything every time you open it

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sphery:

so that's what was happening

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sphery:

cool

[03:34:38]

sphery:

thanks for solving that

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wagnerrp:

i solved that?

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

you told me it's not supposed to scan for changes, so I ssh'ed in and looked at his settings

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sphery:

and found he had file browse set

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sphery:

I didn't know where to start looking--just figured that was how it worked, now

[03:36:58]

sphery:

and, GreyFoxx , sorry for the false lead

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: each app has its own settings cache

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sphery:

are you saying the backend's settings cache gets disabled?

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Khyron:

any idea how to start diagnosing strange issues i have no sound when playing recordings but live tv has sound

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GreyFoxx:

So, sorry I mistyped. What's happenning is that right after FE startup and plugins being loaded the Settings cache is being left disabled. And it remains disabled UNLESS you do something to trigger it back on. One way to trigger it back on is to go through 1 complete set of the settings menus

[03:39:29]

GreyFoxx:

and now that it's back on it stays on

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

will test on my box

[03:39:49]

GreyFoxx:

it looks like the code that loads and inits the plugins disables it between loading each plugin

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GreyFoxx:

and never turns it back on when it's done

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Khyron:

ugh nevermind aparently this wonderful app called pulsepileofshit has took a dive on my desktop... problem resolved

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wagnerrp:

please watch the lang....

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: weird... mine ends up on

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sphery:

last 2 are enabled then clearing

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GreyFoxx:

I wonder what combination of things leaves mine off then

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: what's the last plugin that does a schema check for you

[03:47:12]

GreyFoxx:

MythNews

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GreyFoxx:

The Disabling message is right before the loading translations for mythnews and then that's it

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sphery:

yeah, it seems that MythNews is doing something screwy in its db schema version check

[03:48:36]

sphery:

I think it's leaving it off on mine, too, but since I have mythweather after it, the cache is enabled my mythweather

[03:48:52]

GreyFoxx:

ahh I don't have mythweather

[03:49:11]

sphery:

so, the solution is to install mythweather ;)

[03:49:14]

sphery:

(joke)

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GreyFoxx:

could always just put a blanket renable after the loop that loads the plugins

[03:49:26]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

[03:49:43]

wagnerrp:

wouldnt be a bad idea

[03:49:54]

sphery:

but then we wouldn't find out when some plugin is broken

[03:49:56]

wagnerrp:

or

[03:50:05]

sphery:

I don't like bumpy rugs

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sphery:

:)

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wagnerrp:

you could have the SetSetting command update the cache

[03:50:09]

clever:

after each load, check the cache and complain

[03:50:17]

wagnerrp:

so it never has to pull the new value after an update

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wagnerrp:

and there is no reason to disable the cache

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sphery:

I think we first need to figure out what mythnews is doing wrong

[03:50:57]

sphery:

then we can find out how to prevent it from happening :)

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sphery:

gCoreContext->ActivateSettingsCache(false);

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sphery:

for some reason that's not activating the settings cache

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: let me guess... you /do/ have MythVideo

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sphery:

and you never saw this problem before?

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GreyFoxx:

Correct

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wagnerrp:

mmm.... good old school teacher mentality

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GreyFoxx:

it was working "normally" 15 minutes before I updated tonight

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wagnerrp:

if one person cant behave responsibly, everyone suffers

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sphery:

heh, I just removed the mythvideo DB schema version check (since MythVideo DB schema is now in core), and so it's not re-enabling cache for you

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wagnerrp:

apparently all lazar pointers are banned in new south wales

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GreyFoxx:

wag: That's kind of overreaction is disturbingly common now :(

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wagnerrp:

after four people with green lasers simultaneously hit six airliners

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sphery:

I'll have if fixed in a moment

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GreyFoxx:

cool :)

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GreyFoxx:

I was just updating so I could test my lasted IPv6 patch with the latest mythcode before I give it to stuarta to ply around with

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wagnerrp:

they have been classified a prohibited weapon

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GreyFoxx:

so is my butter knife

[03:55:34]

wagnerrp:

so does that mean all gyration computer equipment is banned there?

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wagnerrp:

since at least all their mice have laser pointers

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sphery:

green only?

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sphery:

or all colors

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wagnerrp:

maybe just green, article doesnt say

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: it's in now

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sphery:

thanks for noticing

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sphery:

guess maybe I should also backport it--even though no one seems to have noticed in-fixes

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GreyFoxx:

just pulling it now

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GreyFoxx:

Wooop. Back to normally :)

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GreyFoxx:

err normal

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GreyFoxx:

my lack of sleep is really getting to me

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sphery:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

I've been up for days, and should have gone to bed hours ago, but I really wanted to finish these IPv6 changes.... now I can sleep :)

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GreyFoxx:

night :)

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waxhead:

night

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waxhead:

oh.. how does one suggest a frontend enhancement?

[04:12:22]

waxhead:

ie, file permissions not allowing reading of a file...

[04:12:40]

waxhead:

just a simple error in the frontend rather than scanning through the logs

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waxhead:

:)

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ioan:

hi. sort question, I have a video and when I play it on my tv (720p) I have the black side bars. How should I convert the video so is stretched to the whole screen?

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sphery:

ioan: you can just change the fill mode during playback

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sphery:

MENU|Adjust Fill

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ioan:

I'm playing the video using the roku, recorded on the computer and roku is playing it, so I have to find a way to convert it before streaming it to roku

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sphery:

only way to do that is (the very processor-intensive process of) transcoding

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sphery:

the roku doesn't have any fill or zoom modes?

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ioan:

is there a way to, say, stretch the video to 720p (1280×720) resolution?

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ioan:

no, roku plays the video the way you stream it

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bmidgley_:

after a scan (which worked, woohoo :) I now get a channel with a linux console running red hat 9

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wagnerrp:

ioan: most video players offer a mechanism to stretch and zoom video

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wagnerrp:

most tvs also offer a mechanism to stretch and zoom video

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wagnerrp:

bah.. left

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wagnerrp:

bmidgley_: youre still running a distro last released in 2003?

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wagnerrp:

i hadn't even begun using linux by that point

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bmidgley_:

wagnerrp: it's the channel provider... they are broadcasting this linux console

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wagnerrp:

surprised they still have the system running 7yrs later

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bmidgley_:

makes me curious who dropped the ball

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wedgeshot:

greetz .... just wanted to give a big shout out to all on how great mythtv has been for me this past year!!!!

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, remind me if we've had someone write any grabbers I don't know about/haven't addressed in trac for the universal metadata format?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, At least now we have somewhere to set them-- even if there's still nothing to set

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wagnerrp:

the only grabbers ive heard of other than RDV's stuff is the alocine one

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, and that's broken

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wagnerrp:

didnt even know of the second game grabber mentioned there

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wedgeshot:

I even made a transition from gentoo over to Ubuntu and did not have any real problems during the switch

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iamlindoro:

yeah, I've been holding onto it forever since I didn't have any place for them to get switched

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iamlindoro:

This work's about a year overdue

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iamlindoro:

But at least between this, videometadata living in core, and the pending DB reorg, we have the tools to do metadata lookup for a lot more

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iamlindoro:

Guess I should probably make those global settings, hrmm

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wagnerrp:

are the values absolute paths? or relative to PREFIX?

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Beirdo:

Holiday road.....

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nutron:

ok looks like system load directly affects my backend, but .. after running sar it doesn't really look overloaded. I'm going to see if there's much else I can look at to reduce load. Though, load shouldn't cut my recordings short.

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Beirdo:

OK, now I wanna watch National Lampoon's Vacation

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nutron:

My old .21 system lags like a mofo and my recordings are intact.

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nutron:

Just watched the princess bride, again.

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Beirdo:

that bluray is on the pile waiting

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Beirdo:

watching a Lindsey Buckingham concert... He wrote/performed Holiday Road for that trip to WallyWorld

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Beirdo:

his parents were kinda... sadistic giving him a girl's name

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nutron:

heh

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Beirdo:

but Fleetwood Mac's glory days featured his guitar work

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Beirdo:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00375MPA8

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Beirdo:

wonder if that does UPnP

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nutron:

ok i think it's time i dump it all and start again...

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nutron:

=(

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Beirdo:

take a dump and try again

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Beirdo:

that sounds .. wrong

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nutron:

aye, took one already... I wonder if some rogue lib is pee'in on my parage

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nutron:

grr... parade.

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nutron:

any suggestion on saving specific tables?

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nutron:

nevermind...

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nutron:

I'll just save my recording rules and restart... all of my recordings are too short anyway

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nutron:

rm -rf \0/

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nutron:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34mzG_9VS7w she's purrdy

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Beirdo:

come on, frontend.. finish compiling

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Beirdo:

here's hoping that this fixed #9500

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Beirdo:

I'll see.. after watching a show

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nutron:

tron legacy huh?

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nutron:

looks ok

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Beirdo:

OSX is acting funky with my IPv6 net

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Beirdo:

not sure why, ptu sometimes I need to ping6 before making a connection

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Beirdo:

just odd

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Beirdo:

s/ptu/but/

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nutron:

refresh my memory... how do i set the display when i su – to root to run mythtv-setup... i know root's not required but ... meh

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Beirdo:

don't do it

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Beirdo:

run mythtv-setup as the same user that will run the backend

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Elv13:

is there a way to force mythfrontend to stop trying to impose custom window settings and just let the WM do its job? I tell it to go on screen 3 and it go on screen1, even if both mythfrontend and the WM are set to show it on screen3

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Elv13:

the xprop it impose are buggy

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Beirdo:

there. Now I have IPv6 aware squid :)

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** Beirdo gives flickr.com the evil eye **

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dmitryam:

Hello, could someone please help me with an issue. I'm trying to play DVD from a VIDEO_TS directory from my hard drive. The Internal player won't play it because it can't find a source file. Googling didn't help. Though I suppose that I found the source of the problem. My directory structure is partially in cyrillic. Normal players including internal translates all characters correctly and there are no issues with playback, but

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dmitryam:

it does not relate to DVD playback. I've tried to rename the directory where the VIDEO_TS folder was located and the playback started, But I don't really want to rename all directories just because the player won't read it, cause it looks ugly for Russian titles. Is there a chance that there are some hidden settings avaiable for tweaking? thanks!

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nutron:

Hmm my backend rips itself a new one with the re-install... odd

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Beirdo:

so flickr wouldn't work because they don't have AAAA records and it uses a CNAME

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Beirdo:

bleh

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Beirdo:

all fixed :)

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Beirdo:

oooh.

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Beirdo:

I think I've found the fix for #9500

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nutron:

what's 9500 'bout? Can't find it.. or .. translation "my browser hangs on code.mythtv.org/trac"

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Beirdo:

mythfrontend segfaulting on exit

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nutron:

oh fun

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Beirdo:

one more run to prove the concept

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nutron:

is there a magical way to get the channel editor to ... listen to me?

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nutron:

i see lyngsat say "w network" for the logo, when I type it in the search.. I get asian dirty channels

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Beirdo:

hehe

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nutron:

maybe quotes

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nutron:

omfg I _used_ to have the logos.. heh i've spent an hour on this... eff it

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nutron:

oh .. the logos are in the archive "outdated logos" ... gah

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nutron:

hmm is there a native search function on the lyngsat site? or an api? the search seems uber broken

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Beirdo:

dunno

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nutron:

a'ight

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Beirdo:

yay

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Beirdo:

no frigging core dump

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Beirdo:

I think this is getting punted into master now

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Beirdo:

and on that note.

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Beirdo:

bed

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stanman246:

how do i build a mythtv frontend usb stick?

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xand:

If it was me I would do a minimalish linux install to one as if it was an internal harddisk and add mythfrontend

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dannyboy1121x:

If I was looking to set up a lightweight Mythtv server – is it possible with an atom Nettop? The obvious issue is that you can't install a tuner so it would need to be external (usb perhaps?) Is something like that possible? No laughing now.

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xand:

if it's a digital tuner, hardly any CPU load

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xand:

not sure how that changes with USB though

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xand:

I do know people who use atom nettops as backends though

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xand:

with dvb-t USB tuners

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xand:

they seem happy with it

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dannyboy1121x:

So it's not so crazy then .. excellent, that's a start

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Digdilem:

dannyboy1121x, the dvb-t tuners-onna-stick work well with myth provided they have linux drivers

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Digdilem:

i'm using one here alongside 2x dvb-s cards

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jcarlos_:

Can someone tell how often would EIT info updated in the database if "Use DVB card for active EIT scan" is unchecked ?

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jcarlos_:

I'm using obviously "Transmitted guide only (EIT)" as my listings grabber in my only video source ...

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dannyboy1121x:

What if I wanted to pickup Freesat (using the dish I currently have for Sky) – is there a USB product that works with Freesat recommended?

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trumee:

anybody seen this, http://xbmc.org/theuni/2011/01/20/you-asked-f . . . pad-iphone4/

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Digdilem:

dannyboy1121x, I don't know about usb, but if you can find a dvb-s dongle, it should work. I'm getting freesat great in the uk with normal tuners, and to linux the usb things appear the same.

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dannyboy1121x:

Brilliant. I'm keen to dump Sky. I'll do some reading and get a plan in place.

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Digdilem:

the only real question is proper linux drivers for your usb device – so many come unbranded from china with no documentation

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Digdilem:

but you can often google your way to a solution even then

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Digdilem:

and yah, freesat is brilliant if you can live without the sky-only chans

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Digdilem:

does probably 90% of freeview channels, plus some weird ones. the only two i keep dvb-t for are Quest and Dave

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stanman246:

hmm. think i messed-up with the backend setup. How can i reset everything to defaults?

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dannyboy1121x:

Digdilem Thanks again.I have a fight on my hands about losing some of the channels (Nick Jnr for the kids) but I think I can win it.

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stanman246:

how can i check if the backend is running?

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wagnerrp:

ps

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dannyboy1121x:

are we dvb-s2 in the uk now?

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Digdilem:

not for freesat, afaik

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dannyboy1121x:

ok ty

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trumee:

Digdilem: we have a community dish pointing for Sky. Can i use that for freesat?

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stanman246:

hi is there a livecd somewhere which contains 0.24?

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StevenR:

Hi. I'd like to build a home server box, with a couple of big disks. I'd like to have a couple of USB DVB devices (record and watch separately) too, as part of this. This box would be headless, and I'd watch the videos/live feed on my laptop, over the WLAN. I'd also like to stream from an optical device (laptop has no optical drive), as well as add other videos into the collection too.

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StevenR:

I'd also like to control all this from a frontend/webui on my laptop

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StevenR:

is mythtv going to tick all those boxes?

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tank-man:

yes, not sure about usb dvb devcies

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StevenR:

tank-man: well, they work with ubuntu and kaffeine

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tank-man:

if it works with linux, then it will work with mythtv

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StevenR:

cool. thanks.

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Chris64:

hi all

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Chris64:

is anyone here using TerraTec H7 USB TV-Card with MythTV?

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Chris64:

or do you know an MythTV Alternative for windows? :x

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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wagnerrp:

Chris64: ^^^

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wagnerrp:

we dont support tuners, we support the DVB API

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wagnerrp:

that site lists the digital tuners that are accessible through the DVB API

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wagnerrp:

StevenR: the backend will run headless on a dedicated server box, and serve content off the local filesystem to remote frontend

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wagnerrp:

the backend requires at least one tuner card, USB devices are fine as long as they have drivers that expose themselves through the linux DVB API

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wagnerrp:

the backend is configured through mythtv-setup, which is a normal X application

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wagnerrp:

however like any other X application, it can be forwarded over the network to any X server

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Chris64:

k, thanks

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wagnerrp:

so you dont need a display, or even a video card on the backend

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wagnerrp:

note however that the backend is going to run your database, guide handling, and scheduler, as well as any batch processing like commercial flagging and transcoding

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wagnerrp:

so you dont want to run a backend on a little plug computer or NAS

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wagnerrp:

and you really shouldnt be running it on a low end machine like an Atom either

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wagnerrp:

mythtv wants real hardware

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wagnerrp:

FabriceMG: i backported the fix to 0.24 last night

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FabriceMG:

thx , wagnerrp ;)

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AndyCap:

Chris64: And if you do decide to look elsewhere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_PVR_software_packages

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wagnerrp:

mythtv supports use of the frontend on windows

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wagnerrp:

but the backend, with tuner cards and storage, must live on a linux machine, or at least some blend of POSIX

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AndyCap:

with a supported capture device of some sort.

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StevenR:

wagnerrp: I was thinking of a dual-core atom or similar, with a fiar amount of ram

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wagnerrp:

why not use a real processor, instead of rejects from 2003?

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StevenR:

wagnerrp: like what?

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wagnerrp:

a dual core Atom processor has about as much power as a higher end single-core Athlon XP or P4 from around 2003

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wagnerrp:

meanwhile, you can get modern systems with normal desktop processors to idle around 30W

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wagnerrp:

and still have plenty of power in reserve should you need it

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StevenR:

I'm going to run this thing 24/7, so I don't want to spend a huge chunk of money in electricity

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wagnerrp:

if you want to optimize for power consumption over all else, buy a mac mini

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wagnerrp:

less power consumption than an Atom system, and a 2.4GHz proper Core 2 Duo

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wagnerrp:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/25w-performance-pc,2551.html

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wagnerrp:

you dont need to sacrifice performance in the name of power consumption

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Arthur:

Hello

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Arthur:

I would like to know if an EPG can be used in mythtv (without to much difficulty...)

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wagnerrp:

mythtv requires guide data to function properly

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Arthur:

for example, is it possible to use the same database as the microsoft MCE

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Arthur:

i mean for TV shows

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wagnerrp:

mythtv cannot use the same database as MCE, nor can it use the same data service as MCE

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Arthur:

ok

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Arthur:

and how much time before the program does the database shows it

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wagnerrp:

the database just stores your guide data

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wagnerrp:

and will store however much you give it

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wagnerrp:

how much you give it will depend entirely on your data source

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wagnerrp:

which for france, is probably going to be an XMLTV grabber

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Arthur:

ok thanks

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Arthur:

and for england? (i receive sat from england too)

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wagnerrp:

http://www.lahiette.com/biboobox/

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wagnerrp:

http://www.epgdata.com/?action=newSubscriptio . . . amp;iOEM=VDR

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wagnerrp:

using Sky? i know a lot of british users use RadioTimes for guide data

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wagnerrp:

but i dont know what channels they offer

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Arthur:

ok thanks

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jcarlos:

Can someone tell how often would EIT info be updated in the database if "Use DVB card for active EIT scan" is unchecked ?

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wagnerrp:

i forget which is which, but there are two modes

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wagnerrp:

one mode only updates EIT data when you are already using the channel

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wagnerrp:

the other starts a scan after five minutes of idle time on the timer

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wagnerrp:

tuner

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jcarlos:

The first is passive scan ... the second is active scan ...

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jcarlos:

wagnerrp: Does it mean that with passive scan I don't update EIT in a channel not tune in some time ago ?

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wagnerrp:

i believe so, yes

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, ive never actually used EIT

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jcarlos:

wagnerrp: I think active scan ruin my DVB-T driver somehow ...

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jcarlos:

wagnerrp: And I would like to know what am I missing unckecking active scan ...

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jcarlos:

wagnerrp: Why you don't use EIT ? Some special reason ?

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wagnerrp:

it sucks

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jcarlos:

wagnerrp: Why ?

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wagnerrp:

most stations in the states only provide data for the next show, or maybe a few hours

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jcarlos:

I thought EIT is the most trustable mean to get program guide ...

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wagnerrp:

the most trustable means is a subscription service

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jcarlos:

wagnerrp: Well, I'm tuning only public channels here in Spain ...

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wagnerrp:

EIT data is often limited, or outright wrong

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jcarlos:

Here in Spain I think EIT is the better way to get program guide ... but it is only a thinking ...

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wagnerrp:

while a subscription, and particularly a paid one like schedules direct or epgData.com, has incentive to get things right

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wagnerrp:

if you can get good, reliable data over EIT, great

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wagnerrp:

over here... we dont

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jcarlos:

wagnerrp: The problem is that with active scan my DVB-T card doesn't work in some hours ...

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jcarlos:

At least that is what it seems after some days of testing ...

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jcarlos:

wagnerrp: Could I force an EIT scan somehow, when using passive scan ?

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wagnerrp:

dont know

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blizzard_:

I know that the general opinion about dvb-cards is "if it works with linux..."... but does anyone have a recommendation on a good TWIN tuner dvb-s2 card? I am having a hard time finding one...

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wagnerrp:

after minimal searching... http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/NetUP_Dual_DVB_S2_CI

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FabriceMG:

http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . 4-H-264.html

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FabriceMG:

i have is card

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blizzard_:

wagnerrp, it was something that made me not go with the NetUP, by some reason

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blizzard_:

cant recall why now tho

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wagnerrp:

no clue, never used either

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blizzard_:

think I saw someone in a forum somewhere who had problems with it

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blizzard_:

but telling from the spec, it looks good

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blizzard_:

fabr: new card to me, does it work well? and with HD?

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wagnerrp:

how would it not be HD?

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FabriceMG:

Mystique, is very good card sd and HD

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blizzard_:

wagn: got a TBS card at the moment

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blizzard_:

works great with everything EXCEPT HD which I really cant get working

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blizzard_:

dont know why

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blizzard_:

"no signal"

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blizzard_:

updated frequencies

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FabriceMG:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mystique_SaTiX-S2_Dual

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wagnerrp:

the only reason you would have a card that couldnt accept HD

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wagnerrp:

is because a number of the old tuners used USB1.1

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blizzard_:

new scan, new findings etc... but cant get signal

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wagnerrp:

which simply didnt have enough bandwidth to cope with HD video

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blizzard_:

it's a DVB-S2 card and Im using their patched kernel modules and patched scan-s2

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blizzard_:

and channels are found when doing scan

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blizzard_:

but I simply wont get ne signal =(

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blizzard_:

dont know if I really can blame the card, but makes me a lil more reserved when it comes to new cards (wants me to hear someone who actually uses it for HD as well)

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blizzard_:

Fabr: is it delivered with an alternative plate aswell? dont have low profile...

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FabriceMG:

verification

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FabriceMG:

I have long plate for no lowprofile

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blizzard_:

bundled with the card?

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FabriceMG:

warning , it's 1 PCIe x1

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FabriceMG:

yes

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blizzard_:

x1?

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blizzard_:

hnm

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blizzard_:

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wagnerrp:

sure, why wouldnt it?

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blizzard_:

not enough bandwidth?

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FabriceMG:

no

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wagnerrp:

PCIe is 250MB/s per channel

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wagnerrp:

DVB-S2 is maybe 4MB/s per channel maximum

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FabriceMG:

What is your satellite?

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blizzard_:

its not more than 4MB/s?

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blizzard_:

Fabr: thor/sirius

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blizzard_:

think one of them got renamed tho

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stanman246:

is there a livecd distro with 0.24 on it?

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blizzard_:

stan: dunno, but think mythbuntu might have it

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stanman246:

well mythbuntu has 0.23.1

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tgm4883:

our 11.04 ISO's do

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tgm4883:

which is currently in dev

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blizzard_:

naah, mythbuntu seems to be back on 0.23..

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tgm4883:

but you could test with it

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stanman246:

i tried the daily, but mythfrontend crashes

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stanman246:

is it possible to run the mythbuntu 10.10 and then upgrade to 0.24 in the livecd env?

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blizzard_:

question, how much does the DVB-card have to do with speed of channel changes?

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FabriceMG:

Some satellite have now 2~45Msps , warning

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tgm4883:

stanman246, you might be able to do that to test it out

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wagnerrp:

blizzard_: everything

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tgm4883:

stanman246, I think that would work

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stanman246:

that's what i want to do, before going for an install

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blizzard_:

wag: what should I look for? are there dvb-cards that's more offloading so to speak?

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wagnerrp:

blizzard_: mythtv only tacks on about 2 seconds for its own buffering

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wagnerrp:

everything else is however long it takes for the tuner card to retune, lock, decode, and start sending data

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blizzard_:

mmm

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FabriceMG:

blizzard_, did you use CI card on your card?

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blizzard_:

I got about 4–5 seconds channel change

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stanman246:

it's a Rocks unit which has it's own tv-tuner (and currenlty windows vista and media center on it) would be great if i could turn it into a mythtv machine

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blizzard_:

fab. nop

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stanman246:

so maybe a dual install on that machine

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stanman246:

well, need to go now, maybe later!

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wagnerrp:

blizzard_: there are no DVB cards with any usable form of offloading

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FabriceMG:

blizzard_, Mystique CI don't work for this moment, 1 guys worh on it

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Chris64:

so mythtv is not supporting cì?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv supports CI just fine

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Chris64:

oh, sorry

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blizzard_:

wagn: so no ToE4DVB then? ;)

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wagnerrp:

Chris64: apparently the drivers for that tuner are flakey

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wagnerrp:

blizzard_: eh?

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blizzard_:

TCP Offload Engine but for DVB instead =)

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wagnerrp:

the only offloading they could do is program filtering, which they already do

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wagnerrp:

aside from that, there ARE 'full featured' cards

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wagnerrp:

which have a decoding engine and video output built in

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wagnerrp:

but you dont want to bother with those

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blizzard_:

wagn: so any kind of mpeg hardware on the card would be useless?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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blizzard_:

oke

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FabriceMG:

blizzard_, warning if you bur Mystique card, buy Mystique Satix Version 2

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FabriceMG:

http://www.mystique-tv.de/en/product-overview . . . 2-v2-ci-dual

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celston:

Does anybody have some time to help me with a problem? I'm using 0.24-fixes, remote backend, playing back recordings works, but livetv doesn't. Seems to deadlock the frontend in TV::GetPlayerWriteLock.

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BLZbubba:

i'm looking in /etc/mythtv and there is a mysql.txt and also a config.xml – is one of these two preferred to the other? i would hope that mysql can skip the xml madness

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wagnerrp:

neither of those are used by mysql

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sphery:

config.xml is more current, but right now the whole thing is just a mess

[18:56:40]

wagnerrp:

they are used by mythtv for information on how to access the mysql server

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wagnerrp:

and what sphery said

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sphery:

(as in code using config.xml is newer--but both still work)

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wagnerrp:

mysql.txt should have been dropped years ago, but still hasnt been

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sphery:

the only critical thing is that you know which one you're using

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sphery:

wagnerrp: +1... it should have been dropped

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BLZbubba:

er i meant: i hope mythtv can avoid the brain damage of XML

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sphery:

maybe we can do that here in the not too distant future

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wagnerrp:

BLZbubba: the entire theme interface is written in XML

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BLZbubba:

xml is fine for things that a human will never see, but a bad idea for the main config file

[18:58:15]

BLZbubba:

but not a huge problem overall

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wagnerrp:

the user should never see the main config file

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BLZbubba:

maybe a 2 on a scale of 1 to 10. so can i remove one of those 2 or the other? or do different parts of the code use different files?

[18:58:51]

wagnerrp:

and to be honest, if those files are in /etc/mythtv, then something is doing something very bad

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wagnerrp:

they should be in ~/.mythtv/, where ever your home directory is

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BLZbubba:

wagnerrp: yeah, in there they are a symlink to /etc/mythtv

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BLZbubba:

the real question – do i need both of them or can i nuke one?

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wagnerrp:

i believe you still need both

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sphery:

you need only one, actually

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sphery:

but only if you use config.xml

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sphery:

mysql.txt can't be used by the bindings, etc.

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BLZbubba:

ok cool i'll nuke mysql.txt and see what happens, thanks

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wagnerrp:

yeah, mythtv barfs if you remove mysql.txt

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sphery:

BLZbubba: also, I highly recommend you do a search of your entire system for mysql.txt files, because they tend to be scattered around and if you have them elsewhere, they might get used elsewhere

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I've been running without mysql.txt since 0.21

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sphery:

you just have to have everything set up so you always have a $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml and it works fine

[19:02:07]

wagnerrp:

sphery: if i remove it, i get the database configuration prompt

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sphery:

if you /ever/ are lacking that (due to an improper HOME), you can cause problems

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BLZbubba:

sphery: i typically do a reinstall and just bring the mysql.txt file over to the new installation

[19:03:01]

BLZbubba:

so i'll do that with config.xml from now on

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, works fine without a config.xml (although it generates a new one)

[19:03:24]

wagnerrp:

but it barfs without a mysql.txt

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sphery:

wagnerrp: only time that should happen is if you DB isn't available or your master backend isn't available (but the master backend will use config.xml--then the rest use config.xml to find the pin and backend USN)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so you would need to specify SecurityPin + USN in DefaultBackend

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sphery:

as well as the DB info (which is always needed by the mbe)

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wagnerrp:

seems the UPNP stuff assumes your masterbackend hosts your database

[19:05:57]

wagnerrp:

because it found my master backend, and tried to log into the database on the same address as my master backend

[19:06:06]

wagnerrp:

except my database is not on the same address as my master backend

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I do have start scripts for frontends/backends that verify that prerequisite systems are up before starting (i.e. backend start script verifies MySQL availability, and on a non-MBE verifies MBE availability, and frontend verifies MBE availability)

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sphery:

did you specify DBHostName ?

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sphery:

(I specify it as an IP address)

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sphery:

so it's not dependent on name resolution

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wagnerrp:

name resolution isnt a problem

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sphery:

right, it's not normally a problem--just that it can be occasionally

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sphery:

so it's a "no reason to use names when I can use IP's since it's static"

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sphery:

I'm just saying I'm minimizing possible points of failures

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wagnerrp:

oh, its because i have a security pin set

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wagnerrp:

seems it no longer asks for the pin before attempting configuration

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sphery:

and didn't specify SecurityPin in config.xml

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sphery:

?

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wagnerrp:

no, its set in config.xml

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wagnerrp:

in a horribly ugly manner by the way

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sphery:

ugly?

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wagnerrp:

apparently i dont have it pretty-printing the XML when i generate it in the bindings

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sphery:

XML entities or something?

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wagnerrp:

one big long string

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sphery:

oh, so a one-liner?

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sphery:

ahh

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sphery:

I will admit that my DB host is my MBE host, so it's possible it's not using the info that's provided

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sphery:

but since it provides for that information being there, I'd assume

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sphery:

then again, that whole startup/find the mbe and DB section of code is a mess

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BLZbubba:

:( mythbackend dies with: "Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt"

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sphery:

BLZbubba: please pastebin the backend log from a startup attempt,

[19:14:52]

sphery:

I just verified and I have no mysql.txt anywhere on the file system

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sphery:

mine still says "Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt", but continues on and finds/uses config.xml

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BLZbubba:

which pastebin has the shortest url?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, i dont get that

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BLZbubba:

someone needs to set one up on pb.in

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BLZbubba:

this is mythbuntu 10.10: http://pastebin.com/7kpSjmPX

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BLZbubba:

dotted lines before & after what i pasted

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i see the line 'unable to read confi....'

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wagnerrp:

but nothing about my config.xml

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sphery:

wagnerrp: perhaps it's going with defaults and finds the db on localhost

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wagnerrp:

it just goes straight to language selection

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wagnerrp:

there is no database on localhsot

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sphery:

if so, that's completely/totally broken

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sphery:

on mine there is

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celston:

At the risk of making a nuisance of myself, re-post earlier message:

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celston:

Does anybody have some time to help me with a problem? I'm using 0.24-fixes, remote backend, playing back recordings works, but livetv doesn't. Seems to deadlock the frontend in TV::GetPlayerWriteLock.

[19:19:07]

wagnerrp:

yes, i concur that it is completely/totally broken

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sphery:

so that's probably the crux of danielk's ticket

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BLZbubba:

will mythweb ever read the same db config as mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

BLZbubba: it does right now

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BLZbubba:

sphery: i have a separate mysql multi master set up, no db on localhost

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wagnerrp:

at least in master

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wagnerrp:

multi-master?

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BLZbubba:

just a failover replicated db

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wagnerrp:

oh, mysql terminology

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wagnerrp:

not multiple master backends

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7799

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BLZbubba:

wagnerrp: heh yeah sorry for the confusion

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sphery:

I'll take a look at that, fix the config.xml usage (and in the process, make config.xml the primary :D ), then ref that ticket

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wagnerrp:

IMHO, mysql.txt should be dropped altogether

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BLZbubba:

the mythweb apache config has settings like: setenv db_server

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BLZbubba:

wagnerrp: yeah it should be one or the other for sure

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wagnerrp:

use config.xml only, and let people who want to write scripts use a language that supports XML parsing

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sphery:

yeah, I had big plans to fix it all up--then I saw what a mess it was

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wagnerrp:

but last time i suggested that, danielk veto'd

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wagnerrp:

hes still using it for a fair amount of stuff

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sphery:

initially I'll just make config.xml primary, then I'll try to get sign-off on dropping mysql.txt

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sphery:

you can do sufficient xml parsing without xml support--the perl bindings do it with a regex

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wagnerrp:

BLZbubba: a couple weeks ago, kor moc put UPNP detection into mythweb

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sphery:

no xml in them, yet (which is why I was unable to leave commented tags in there)

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wagnerrp:

it should work configurationless

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wagnerrp:

now whether it uses the same format config.xml... dont know

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wagnerrp:

s/XML parsing/complex text parsing/

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sphery:

yeah, would need some of that

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sphery:

but, hey, even bash can...

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sphery:

;)

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** sphery shudders at the thought of bash regex's **

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wagnerrp:

yes, bash was designed for text processing after all

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sphery:

seems that way--that's why it's the language of choice for MythTV-related scripting

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sphery:

that and the wonderful bash bindings for MythTV

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BLZbubba:

some of the sysadmins where i work do everything with a 1 line bash script, no matter how complicated

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wagnerrp:

BLZbubba: https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/commit/c659 . . . 112315588f50

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BLZbubba:

it gets annoying

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sphery:

bash is a great tool--but it's not the /only/ tool

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wagnerrp:

bash is great for batch operations

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wagnerrp:

things where you need to manage a running of external processes

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sphery:

(and, in fact, most bash scripts that I've seen just start hundreds of random processes to get the job done)

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wagnerrp:

it falls far short once you actually have to start doing internal data processing

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sphery:

as wagnerrp says, if running the script results in rolling-over the PID numbers on my system, bash was not the right choice for the job

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wagnerrp:

sphery: did i tell you that guy saw like a 30x speedup when he started using the internal bash regex, instead of farming it out to sed?

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BLZbubba:

ok time to try GT 210 (218) HDMI audio again. is there a good troubleshooting guide for this?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, no... was that the librarian guy?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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sphery:

wow

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wagnerrp:

bash is fine for process management, and small stuff

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wagnerrp:

but people using it just dont seem to understand the expense of starting new processes

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sphery:

yeah

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jamesd_laptop:

i wonder how many people use the microwave and kitchen sink features of bash... ;-p

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wagnerrp:

probably only that one guy who uses it for IRC

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DanC:

celston, I'm seeing very similar symptoms (0.24-fixes, recordings work, live tv deadlocks)

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jamesd_laptop:

i thought he was converting to emacs for his irc needs, bash didn't feel bloated enough

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celston:

Hi DanC, you can confirm if you're seeing the same thing quite easily with gdb.

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DanC:

?! it's working now

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DanC:

broken appliance always works properly for the repair man

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celston:

:D

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celston:

Was it a repeated attempt or did you wait with it sat at 'Please Wait' ?

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celston:

I've found a few recent unanswered mails online which describe similar problems.

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wagnerrp:

celston: your scheduled recordings work fine?

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celston:

wagnerrp: yep, scheduled recordings work.

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celston:

I'm just adding some debug to GetPlayerWriteLock to see who took the lock last.

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wagnerrp:

on the same channels youre trying livetv?

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celston:

Not 100% sure on that one.

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celston:

Just checked my backend log, pretty sure it's the same channel.

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celston:

I turned on all debug in the fe to compare livetv with playing back a recording, in livetv I see nothing after "TV: ITVRestart done", backtrace in gdb indicates it's waiting for a lock.

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DanC:

sigh. locked up again.

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darkdrgn2k:

hey all

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darkdrgn2k:

my movies randomly restart or stop playing all together

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darkdrgn2k:

which table is curropt

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wagnerrp:

why must a table be corrupt?

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darkdrgn2k:

thought it be the seek tables or something...

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darkdrgn2k:

hapend again

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wagnerrp:

could be a bad encode/mux, corrupted data, or flaw in the player

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darkdrgn2k:

no errors in frotn end or backend log

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo does not populate the seek tables for its own content

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wagnerrp:

so the only reason you would have a bad seek table for a movie, is if you created it on your own

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm

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darkdrgn2k:

so why would it just randomly restart

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darkdrgn2k:

(if i play it in mplayer of vlc its fine

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darkdrgn2k:

i take tha tback lol

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wagnerrp:

so, broken file?

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nordle:

Hi there, I've got a weird problem, hoping a mythtv doctor could help? I have _coverart.jpg, _fanart.jpg and _banner.jpg files appearing in /media/files/videos. I delete them, but they keep coming back. Do I need a special cream or is it more serious?

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nordle:

mythtv 0.24 via mythbuntu 10.10

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wagnerrp:

nordle: sounds like jamu is running through cron, and keeps recreating them

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wagnerrp:

either disable jamu, or create fanart/coverart/banner storage groups on your backend to store the images to

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nordle:

wagnerrp: I have fanart, artwork, banners, pictures, posters, screenshots, trailers, videos, recordings. in /media/files/ videos are my own avi/mp4 etc and recordings liveTV.

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wagnerrp:

nordle: no, you need to define those paths as individual storage groups in mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

if those groups do not exist, mythtv will default to storing those images in the root of your Videos folder

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wagnerrp:

which apparently is not what you want

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nordle:

wagnerrp: ahh.....I'll try that now, thanks.

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nordle:

myth is recording, cant shutdown backend until tomorrow :) I'll try then. Thanks again.

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celston:

Now that's interesting... wagnerrp, you still here?

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wagnerrp:

yep

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celston:

It's obviously a bad thing, but if I disable the lock take in TV::GetPlayerWriteLock, I can get LiveTV.

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celston:

Suggests to me that the lock is being held somewhere it shouldn't.

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea what that lock is for

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wagnerrp:

i do tthe bindings

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celston:

It's the top level lock on the TV object, I believe.

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wagnerrp:

and to a lesser extent, the socket code, system calls, and jobqueue

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celston:

Does myth include any deadlock detection?

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celston:

I guess I need to get hold of whoever looks after this area.

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wagnerrp:

what version of mythtv is this?

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wagnerrp:

0.24-fixes....

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celston:

0.24-fixes, cloned yesterday.

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trumee:

i wish Nokia N900 coud do that, http://xbmc.org/theuni/2011/01/20/you-asked-f . . . pad-iphone4/

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wagnerrp:

trumee: have you actually tried xbmc on the ipad?

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trumee:

wagnerrp: i dont own any apple device!

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** trumee has a ipod nano or something which was a gift and it hasnt been opened for the past 3 months **

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trumee:

wagnerrp: but why did you ask?

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wagnerrp:

the specs listed by apple say the device is no good for mythtv's recordings, or really retail content outside of what you can get on itunes

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wagnerrp:

and while the device certainly seems to be intentionally gimped by apple, and it uses the same graphics core as the GMA500

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wagnerrp:

there is no indication on what the device is actually capable of

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wagnerrp:

and the xbmc devs are not going to release any meaningful information about it until they get the iOS build stabilized

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wagnerrp:

when i talked to them, they still considered it pre-alpha quality

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trumee:

wagnerrp: i only have SD content on my mythtv server. would that not be good enough for N900

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wagnerrp:

sd content sure, but who records in SD anymore anyway

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trumee:

wagnerrp: i do!

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, what am I doing wrong... On my FC13 system, I thought it was just some sort of MB/video/driver conflict that was causing MythTV to not detect/see the VDPAU capabilities of my card upon compilation... but now I've just built a new FC14 test bed with a GT240, installed the nvidia binary, and glxgears produces 12654fps... Grr... (google isn't my friend right now – too many irrlelvant hits so far...)

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trumee:

wagnerrp: Freeview in UK

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wagnerrp:

there are maybe two local channels that broadcast in SD that i would be interested in recording

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: sounds like you dont have libvdpau installed

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trumee:

wagnerrp: There might be 1 or 2 HD channels in freesat. but all the rest is SD

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: ah... I'll bet that's it...

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wagnerrp:

trumee: if all your stuff is already SD, then who cares

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wagnerrp:

the 1GHz Arm A9 is already capable of decoding it in software

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wagnerrp:

and at least h264 stuff could be handled by the advertised capabilities of the decoder chip

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Interesting-- on their front page, I quote: "These are not initial ports, and they are not early development snapshots. Here they are: full XBMC installs and source code, ready for consumption."

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trumee:

wagnerrp: so how can i run mythtv on N900?

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like marketing ran away with that one

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Grr, nope, that's not it — "Package libvdpau-0.4.1–1.fc14.1.x86_64 already installed and latest version"

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Do you have an HVR-1600 installed on that system?

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celston:

is there a libvdpau-devel package?

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wagnerrp:

trumee: the interesting thing about this xbmc port is that they have unlocked the capability of the hardware decoder on that platform

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Nope. Current setup is bench-testing just the MB and GF240 card, nothing else atm...

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wagnerrp:

but theres no saying if it will be useful or not until someone actually gives some concrete information about what its capable of

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trumee:

wagnerrp: can xbmc talk to mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: Jan 21 16:20:20 <keith> yup, it has, but its pre-alpha even

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, no, I believe you entirely, just saying that their web site people seem to have gotten a little carried away

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wagnerrp:

ah

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: sound like there's something specific that the hvr-1600 causes – maybe it's somewhat relevant with this MB somehow (conflicting resources perhaps? – on-board sata interfaces, firewire, usb3, etc?)

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wagnerrp:

trumee: they have a limited frontend, yes

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: youre saying 'configure' will not enable VDPAU?

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J-e-f-f-A:

ooh, maybe myth isn't finding the libvdpau.so file automatically, and I have to tell it where it is? ^^ exactly.

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wagnerrp:

from 185.x and on, the VDPAU libraries are now distributed as a separate package

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wagnerrp:

they are not installed by the nvidia driver package

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wagnerrp:

ah, right... you said it was installed

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celston:

J-e-f-f-A: If you're compiling myth, and you've installed vdpau from a packaged (you said "libvdpau-0.4.1–1.fc14.1.x86_64"), make sure there isn't a libvdpau-devel package.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the devel stuff... you may have the library but not the headers

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trumee:

wagnerrp: so this limited frontend can see livetv and mythvideo?

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wagnerrp:

livetv and recordings, yes...

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trumee:

wagnerrp: and recordings

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J-e-f-f-A:

duh, that was it I think the -devel package is not installed... doh!

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wagnerrp:

they have their own video management, they ARE a video manager

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** J-e-f-f-A <- dumbarse today... **

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wagnerrp:

no reason for them to interface with mythvideo

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trumee:

wagnerrp: perhaps i should try xbmc on the N900 then and let it talk to mythtv

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trumee:

wagnerrp: does xbmc need any specific version of mythtv?

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J-e-f-f-A:

That's better.... thanks trumee – (and wagnerrp and iamlindoro ) ;-)

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wagnerrp:

youll have to ask them, we dont support it in any manner

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: celston

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celston:

Hey, I didn't solve my problem, but at least it's not been a waste of a night :D

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J-e-f-f-A:

celston: oops, yeah, you..... Sorry guys, I'm sleep deprived... Should really get to sleep early tonight.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Myth compiles pretty fast on an x4 640 processor... ;-)

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celston:

And pretty slowly on an Atom :(

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iamlindoro:

mythtv sholdn't be run on an atom, let alone compiled on one

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celston:

You're only saying that because you haven't seen one decoding HD at 6% CPU usage.

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[R]:

celston: what does that have to do with atom?

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iamlindoro:

No, I daresay I was one of the first two or three myth users ever to use VDPAU, so so much for that idea

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iamlindoro:

s/users/devs/

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celston:

So why not use the slowest, lowest powered CPU that does the job?

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[R]:

celston: theres more than just video playback

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iamlindoro:

because you are confined to the codecs and more importantly, the encoding profiles supported by the un-upgradable graphics hardware

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celston:

Not much more on a frontend only system...

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[R]:

celston: and like iamlindoro said... it doesnt suport everyhting

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wagnerrp:

celston: if youre building a system that will statically sit in front of a tv, youre not constrained by the normal limits of mobile systems

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iamlindoro:

such as how the default handbrake options, for example, throw VDPAU into a tizzy by using more reference frames than it can support

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wagnerrp:

so there is no reason to try to make something ridiculously small, no reason to sacrifice everything for power consumption

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wagnerrp:

so why not get something with some meat behind it, that is going to be adaptable to whatever you want to throw at it

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wagnerrp:

hardware decoding simply cannot be

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celston:

That's what you say. I work on commercial STBs for a living, and if you save 1 watt x 250,000 boxes – that's worth having.

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wagnerrp:

you can create a fairly powerful dual core system that will take ~30W idle, ~60W under load, and ~2W for the 85% of the time that no one is actually using it

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celston:

I think this box will do me for the life of the hardware. I consume DVB-S and DVB-T.

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wagnerrp:

when you look at the average cable STB and realize that it _never_turns_off_

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wagnerrp:

the whole concept of an embedded system for power savings is pointless

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celston:

wagnerrp: Agreed. Manufacturers have a long way to go.

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celston:

You probably would believe how bad the software is too...

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wagnerrp:

basically, the backend is the only thing that you would want to stay on all the time, and it needs a fair bit of power to run the scheduler and other tasks

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wagnerrp:

the frontends are going to be used at such low duty cycle that theyre only going to cost you a few $/yr in electricity

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wagnerrp:

and if you really want, the backend can be shutdown, and automatically started by the frontends, or through an ACPI timer for recording

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celston:

ACK. No fan helps too though.

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celston:

Yep, that's how I run my backend.

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wagnerrp:

no fan versus bigger heatsink

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celston:

Hmmm, no EIT data now :(

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wagnerrp:

i would absolutely love to see HTPC manufacturers adopt something similar to the cooling in thin servers and graphics cards

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wagnerrp:

set up an air duct, centrifugal blower, and exhaust it straight out the back

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sid3windr:

at 15000rpm

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sid3windr:

;>

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wagnerrp:

nah

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wagnerrp:

use heatpipes to move the heat into that airduct

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wagnerrp:

and then youre no longer constrained by the crap on the motherboard

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wagnerrp:

you can make the heatsink as large area as you need

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Digdilem:

my myth box is water cooled, but using central heating components instead of these silly in-server things for custom pc's

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wagnerrp:

and something wide would actually do better to fit in with the rest of your AV gear

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wagnerrp:

unlike the current bout of manufacturers who seem to think the Wii is the ideal shape

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wagnerrp:

they want their product to stand out, i just want something non-descript to sit on a shelf and be quiet

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Digdilem:

fwiw, i took some pics of my water cooling – this is my myth box, the pipes go to a household radiator and central heating pump; http://digdilem.org/cooling/DSCF1165.JPG

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wagnerrp:

Digdilem: neat, thats the ideal thing to do

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wagnerrp:

just pump the heat completely elsewhere

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wagnerrp:

(unless your house is cold)

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trumee:

Digdilem: why do you need to hold the hdds like that?

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trumee:

Digdilem: awesome setup though

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Digdilem:

yeah, that system runs a desktop too ( digdilem.org/cooling for the full story)

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Digdilem:

trumee, vibration.

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Digdilem:

in some cases (not all) that causes quite a lot of vibrational noise

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Digdilem:

with them like this, you only get a bit of whine and almost no seek noise

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trumee:

Digdilem: so you let the disks vibrate rather than holding them rigidly?

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Digdilem:

yeah, just hang from their elastic. vertical allows them to air cool passively too

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wagnerrp:

trumee: most cases let the disks vibrate anymore

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wagnerrp:

you either see soft plastic shims that the drives slide into, or silicon grommets between the screws and the case

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Digdilem:

i'd love to do this to my work's server cabinet, but I frankly don't have the balls :)

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wagnerrp:

wait, thats a hot water heat type radiator?

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Digdilem:

yep. :)

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sphery:

so that isn't bad for the hard drives?

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wagnerrp:

ah, you explain why no card radiator

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wagnerrp:

*car

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sphery:

I've always wondered how important it is to securely fasten HDD's

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Digdilem:

sphery, i did a lot of research and nobody seems to say you can't mount like that.

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sphery:

cool

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jamesd_laptop:

wagnerrp, good thing... because any vibration can affect peformance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq4

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wagnerrp:

sphery: enough case manufacturers are doing it, and there havent seemed to be any serious repercussions

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wagnerrp:

jamesd_laptop: that the video of the guy yelling at the storage server?

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sphery:

I've used HDD's just sitting on the top of the case of my computer and stuff (for temporary copies, etc) and always wondered if I was doing damage

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jamesd_laptop:

wagnerrp, yes

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wagnerrp:

sphery: at least a couple cases come with elastic bands to mount the hard drive, rather than screws

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Wicked:

eek. thats a nasty looking spider Digdilem lol

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Digdilem:

hehe :)

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wagnerrp:

you twist the loop a couple times, shove the drive through the center, and instant shock mount

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wagnerrp:

great for use in cars or other mobile systems

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wagnerrp:

(when its supposed to be running while in operation)

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celston:

So is there anyone here who knows about the internals of the TV module? in tv_play.cpp...

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BLZbubba:

mythweb: "No TV Configured" but only 2 google matches on that error

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BLZbubba:

any idea what may be causing this?

[22:17:26]

BLZbubba:

i have channels and mythfilldatabase works

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[R]:

where does it say that

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BLZbubba:

the main mythweb page

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[R]:

can you take a screenshot or copy/paste the output to pastebin or something

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BLZbubba:

http://pastebin.com/vKRFndNN

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[R]:

sounds like its not fully configured

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jcarlos:

sphery: I have uncheked "Use DVB card for active EIT scan" and it seems my eventual tuning/recording problems have gone ... Could I have been met with the bug refered to in http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2741 ?

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BLZbubba:

the backend seems to work fine

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BLZbubba:

and i'm told that mythweb will use the /etc/mythtv settings. but i'll bet there is really yet another place to set up the database info

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[R]:

BLZbubba: well if you actually do have channels, then either your mythweb is misconfigured, or your mythweb is corrupt

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[R]:

sounds like you shoudl read the readme for mythweb

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BLZbubba:

[R]: yes i should have known, this makes it 3 different places where the db info has to go – apache setenvs. ok it's working now

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sphery:

jcarlos: possibly... since that ticket is fixed, just set the options appropriately (which is sounds like you may have done)

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jcarlos:

sphery: I have been told that with this option unchecked my EIT data will be updated only when tuning a channel ...

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sphery:

that's per-card

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jcarlos:

sphery: I don't understand ...

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sphery:

how many cards in your capture device?

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jcarlos:

2

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sphery:

based on Janne's comment, it sounds like you need to set "Use DVB card for active EIT" to enabled for one card (frontend) and to disabled for the other

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jcarlos:

sphery: Well, I have an AverTV Volar Black HD ... and I can do two simultaneous recordings ... is that what you are asking for ?

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sphery:

how many tuners?

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sphery:

one, set up as a dual-virtual-tuner multirec?

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sphery:

or 2 physical tuners

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jcarlos:

Really I don't know how many real tuners the card has ...

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sphery:

!tuners

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jcarlos:

It would be 2 virtual tuners ...

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sphery:

!tuner

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sphery:

forgot the mythlogbot thing

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sphery:

google will have to work for me

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jcarlos:

Hehe .. that bot is sleeping

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sphery:

looks like a single tuner

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sphery:

so it's different from the Nova T 500

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sphery:

which means that yeah, it seems you'll need to leave active eit disabled

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sphery:

on that card

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sphery:

which means you can get a different card (ideally non-USB so you don't have the USB-disconnect problems) to get active EIT from

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jcarlos:

sphery: But the problem is in the driver ?

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sphery:

or hope that the passive EIT is enough

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sphery:

or hope that they can fix the driver/usb-subsystem/...

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sphery:

IME, USB is not a reliable bus for long-term connectivity

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jcarlos:

Who is "they" ? The guys in linuxtv ?

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sphery:

if the driver is the problem, then yeah

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sphery:

if the usb subsystem is the problem, then the kernel guys

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sphery:

(or kernel/usb guys)

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jcarlos:

And passive scaning is only scanning when tuning a channel ?

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sphery:

if the usb device is the problem, then you'd need different hardware

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sphery:

if the usb bus is the problem, you'd need new mobo

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jcarlos:

mobo ?

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sphery:

based on my experience, I wouldn't trust /any/ version of USB for long-term connectivity, with the possible exception of USB3

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sphery:

but I haven't tested USB3, yet, so I don't know if it actually is usable for long-term... (and you'd need USB3 device + usb3 port)

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sphery:

mobo = motherboard

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jcarlos:

sphery: Well ... my backend is a bit special ...

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sphery:

In short, I have a feeling that the problem here is USB itself

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jcarlos:

The hardware, I mean ...

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sphery:

laptop?

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jcarlos:

Nope

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jcarlos:

It's a dockstar ...

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sphery:

vm?

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sphery:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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sphery:

ahhh, that's it...

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jcarlos:

http://www.testfreaks.com/blog/review/review- . . . nt-dockstar/

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sphery:

was annoying me I couldn't remember the bot command

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sphery:

so, openwrt?

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sphery:

and you actually got mythbackend compiled?

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jcarlos:

debian

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jcarlos:

debian lenny in its full glory ... :-)

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sphery:

still impressed that you got it working on ARM

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jcarlos:

I'm using Marillat packaging of mythtv

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sphery:

I hope your MySQL server is elsewhere

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jcarlos:

sphery: Hehe ... not ... also there ...

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sphery:

since that processor is a bit on the underpowered side

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sphery:

well, I can't be any help

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sphery:

I don't know much about it the EIT stuff, but as I said, in my experience USB is not for long-term reliability

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sphery:

USB3 is a totally different design and may help with that (since it's not a polling architecture), but that remains to be seen

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jcarlos:

sphery: The processor is not the problem ... the problem could be the RAM

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sphery:

no, here, I think the problem is the USB

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jcarlos:

No, no

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jcarlos:

I don't refer to my current problem

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sphery:

once you got things working, I think long term you'd have had serious performance problems with the processor and its ability to run MySQL

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sphery:

ah, yeah

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jcarlos:

I refer to the general power of the device to host mythtv-backend

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sphery:

but doing a non-trivial reschedule on a 1.2GHz Marvell Kirkwood ARM processor is likely to be a /very/ slow proposition

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jcarlos:

sphery: What is a reschedule ?

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sphery:

what happens when mythtv needs to find out what to record

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sphery:

and, for EIT users, it happens once every 5 mins

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jcarlos:

I'm not going to do any sophisticated use of mythv

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sphery:

and there are users with Core i5 processors that take 3+ minutes

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sphery:

anyway, it's impressive that you got it running on there

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sphery:

I just think it (and SheevaPlug) are a bit of a stretch for MythTV backend hosts

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jcarlos:

Not only running ... I can see TV on my atomm netbook, and at the same time see I film in my i3 core connected to my 45 inches TV ... :-)

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jcarlos:

Atom*

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jcarlos:

s/see I film/see a film/

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jcarlos:

Two different frontends in this use case ...

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jcarlos:

And working perfectly ...

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jcarlos:

sphery: I don't understand why a reschedule could take 3+ minutes with a Core i5 processor ... I think I'm missing something ..

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sphery:

I'm saying rescheduling is a very processor and memory-intensive process

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jcarlos:

I suppose those timing are for hundreds of channels ...

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jcarlos:

I only have 20 channels more or less ...

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sphery:

how much so does depend on the number of programs and channels in the listings and the number (and, to some extent, type) of rules

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jcarlos:

I'm very newbie with mythtv ... what are those rules ?

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AndyCap:

jcarlos: what to record when

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jcarlos:

Basically I'm going to do manual recordings ...

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sphery:

yeah, recording rules

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jcarlos:

Manual recording are also recording rules ?

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sphery:

well, it may work for you if you can get the capture devices working reliably

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sphery:

I'm not saying not to do it

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sphery:

just saying it's not hardware with headroom for the unexpected :)

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sphery:

(or upgrades or whatever)

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jcarlos:

shery: Well, a 26$ hardware is really hardware for not much ... but it is working !!

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sphery:

yeah, and I'm impressed that it is

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jcarlos:

sphery: ^

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jcarlos:

sphery: Not only that ... that hardware is also my printing server (cups) and my download/p2p "machine" (mldonkey)

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jcarlos:

And only 5 watts power !!

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jcarlos:

sphery: I'm thinking if an XML grabber is a better option for me ...

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sphery:

xml is easier if it's available

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jcarlos:

sphery: Yes ... I have it available ...

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jcarlos:

sphery: Is it supposed mythfilldatabase to be run by the backend once a day ?

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sphery:

generally, yes

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sphery:

though some grabbers/listings providers may have different requirements

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sphery:

(i.e. want you to run it less frequently because of cost to them)

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jcarlos:

I'm in Spain ... and I would use a public grabber ... I am only interested in DVB-T public channels ...

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jcarlos:

20 channels or so ...

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jcarlos:

sphery: And when you say "easier" do you refer to "easier to process form my Kirwood CPU ?

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jcarlos:

s/form/for/

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iamlindoro:

cesman, heh, I like that response

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** iamlindoro hands cesman the flame retardant jumper **

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sphery:

jcarlos: yes, and no... with EIT, it's constantly changing the listings data, and doing a new reschedule every 5 mins. With XMLTV, it processes/changes program listings one time per day--but the actual processing of the XML is very memory/processor intensive (though having the DB on another system would offload much of that mythfilldatabase processing)

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sphery:

still worth trying out--even if you hit swap during the processing

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sphery:

you can just schedule your mythfilldatabase runs for some time when you're very unlikely to be recording

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jcarlos:

sphery: Yes, I will try ... Thanks again for your help ...

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sphery:

iamlindoro: heh, I like it, too... I think they're "black hole" capture cards--they can show the video on any black hole in the GUI you specify and that's about it

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wagnerrp:

cesman: for what its worth, those cards are neither

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wagnerrp:

at least the older AIW units did not support capture of any sort

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wagnerrp:

they would just define a location on the screen that the graphics card would display the video in

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iamlindoro:

deja vu

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iamlindoro:

echo

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iamlindoro:

echo

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iamlindoro:

echo

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AndyCap:

echo

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** wagnerrp makes sure to read the line DIRECTLY ABOVE his next time before he responds **

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[R]:

does anyone know the ticket # for the ticket about livetv not working sometimes and getting the jump error?

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wagnerrp:

hey, its not my fault

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wagnerrp:

i hadnt scrolled down that far yet

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wagnerrp:

:)

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[R]:

ah, 9177

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wagnerrp:

wait, was 'brian j murrell' complaining that someone yelled at him for pasting several thousand lines directly into a ticket?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

and why is it every time we say "please don't do this," it's "yelling?"

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gizmobay:

I'm running 0.24 on 10.04 64 bit. I have a PVR-150. I'm having a problem I never had before. On this one station, I've tried scheduling a recording and twice I've ended up with a blank recording and once I ended up with one frame for the whole recording. Don't know if it's the station or my setup. Nothing odd in the logs.

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gizmobay:

I have had sucessful recordings

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gizmobay:

I thought maybe it was the blaster but the channel changed and the STB wasn't off.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, I finally got one line faster than you!

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I hope my saying, "please reply to the list" isn't yelling...

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iamlindoro:

Jeez, calm down guy

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** sphery goes to find some valium **

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sphery:

that was a /lot/ of work to just remove a single line from the "My Tickets" report

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sphery:

I even patched it before I tried to duplicate it

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