| Friday, January 21st, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:25] | ** Beirdo starts thinking of the new baseball season.... ** | |
| [00:00:35] | Beirdo: | I need more fresh blood in the fantasy league |
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| [00:29:05] | nutron: | sphery: did you find it? |
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| [00:31:42] | nutron: | http://www.sintel.org/ |
| [00:37:13] | nutron: | Wonderful little movie. |
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| [01:19:40] | nutron: | ok better.. |
| [01:20:02] | wagnerrp: | nutron_: desktop environments have always wanted a sound server managing audio |
| [01:20:08] | wagnerrp: | gnome used to use esound |
| [01:20:10] | wagnerrp: | kde used arts |
| [01:20:25] | wagnerrp: | pulseaudio is just providing a nice GUI and control interface |
| [01:20:35] | wagnerrp: | with the trade off of being far more invasive than the others |
| [01:20:52] | wagnerrp: | oh, and being garbage for multimedia applications |
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| [01:21:08] | nutron_: | Yes, though no one ever really cried about arts and esd did they? |
| [01:21:13] | nutron_: | wtf. |
| [01:21:22] | wagnerrp: | because they werent so invasive |
| [01:21:29] | wagnerrp: | you could use them, or you could avoid them |
| [01:22:06] | nutron_: | hmm there goes my router again :( |
| [01:22:57] | nutron_: | right, hence my original question... why did pulse gain so much traction? Though completely rhetorical. |
| [01:23:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Memory question for you – What's the difference between "Bank Interleave" and/or "Channel Interleave"? If I understand it correctly, Channel interleave = Dual Channel mode, and Bank interleave is switching between the two banks on a dimm, right? |
| [01:23:54] | wagnerrp: | in the news: norwegian boy scares off pack of wolves by playing Creed from the speaker phone on his cell phone |
| [01:24:10] | wagnerrp: | in other news: even wolves have better taste in music than the norwegians |
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| [01:24:38] | Hilikus: | hey guys |
| [01:24:40] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: dont know |
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| [01:25:35] | wagnerrp: | nutron_: because desktop environments only care about being able to play their system bells and alarms regardless of what other sound is being played concurrently |
| [01:25:38] | wagnerrp: | nothing else matters |
| [01:25:43] | wagnerrp: | and pulse provided a fancy GUI |
| [01:25:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Ah, ok. ;-) Because my new MB doesn't work with the 8x 2GB DDR3 dimms (single-sided) above 4GB unless I have "Bank Interleave" disabled. But works perfect with it disabled. |
| [01:26:02] | Hilikus: | when i try to watch videos on thecomedynetwork.ca using mythbrowser i see the website render fine and i can hear the audio but the picture is not there. youtube works fine |
| [01:26:46] | Hilikus: | i see some errors in the log about GTK but i am not sure that they come from this specific problem |
| [01:27:04] | iamlindoro: | We don't have any control over how the flash player renders anything |
| [01:27:18] | ** wagnerrp debates replying to the mailing list thread about the C-32 bill that the mailing list is english only ** | |
| [01:27:21] | iamlindoro: | mythbrowser is just a very thin wrapper around Qt's WebKit |
| [01:27:26] | nutron_: | Hilikus: don't really know how to help you, if it works in youtube, it should work everywhere imho. |
| [01:27:31] | iamlindoro: | we have no control over rendering, flash, or anything else |
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| [01:27:47] | Hilikus: | but if it was flash why would youtube work? |
| [01:27:48] | nutron_: | can't myth just ban flash? we'll make billions. |
| [01:27:49] | iamlindoro: | If you have an issue, then it's something you should take up with Qt or Adobe, or both |
| [01:28:00] | iamlindoro: | Hilikus, Because all flash applications are not created equal |
| [01:28:12] | Hilikus: | i see |
| [01:28:40] | Hilikus: | thanks iamlindoro |
| [01:28:41] | iamlindoro: | Regardless, it's not an issue we're able to help with, as neither component is myth code |
| [01:28:44] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [01:28:49] | Hilikus: | i thought it was mythbrowser |
| [01:28:54] | iamlindoro: | nope |
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| [01:32:10] | wagnerrp: | the cross compile environment setup is done... where to from here |
| [01:32:36] | wagnerrp: | aww crap |
| [01:32:42] | nutron: | wtf now... last week I had someone trying to use my external dhcp ip on my cable modem. |
| [01:32:44] | wagnerrp: | school closings ticker on tonights recordings |
| [01:33:02] | nutron: | wagnerrp: you must be out east. Feels like I can suntan up here... |
| [01:33:18] | wagnerrp: | midwest |
| [01:33:20] | nutron: | Got a dump of snow .. like 2 feet overnight... all melted in two days |
| [01:33:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yep, same thing out here... |
| [01:33:45] | cal_: | wagnerrp : i am still fidgiting with random playback codecs and deinterlacers lol, what would you reccomend for geforce 7800 and dual core 2ghz |
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| [01:34:39] | wagnerrp: | opengl renderer, normal decoder, whatever deinterlace filter you want (1x or 2x depending on your display) |
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| [01:57:46] | nichos: | hi all, silly question – im getting an extreme amount of pixelation when playing back recordings. It doesn't happen when watching live tv, only playing back recordings |
| [01:57:59] | nichos: | is the playback profile (vdpau, etc) only relevent on playback of recordings? |
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| [01:59:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: Yes, that's why it's called a "playback" profile. You need to increase the bitrate on your recording profile(s). |
| [02:00:35] | nichos: | isn't live also technically recorded? |
| [02:00:58] | nichos: | that's why i thought maybe i was on the wrong track |
| [02:01:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: Yes, but it's got it's own recording profile. |
| [02:01:09] | nichos: | ok |
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| [02:01:27] | nichos: | i have a 210, should I be able to handle vdpau high quality? |
| [02:02:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: VDPAU – Yes, but I don't know if it'll handle the 'high quality' setting... |
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| [02:04:01] | nichos: | jeffa, look at the recording profile, all i can do is set the profile name and enable auto-transcode |
| [02:05:01] | nichos: | im using .24 |
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| [02:06:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | Within the "Default" recording profile on my system, there's a "Live TV" profile. |
| [02:07:00] | nichos: | i have that too, but no options there |
| [02:07:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: What's your source? |
| [02:07:29] | nichos: | here's where I am: recording profiles->hdhomerun recorders-> and then i get a list: create new, default, live, high, low |
| [02:07:34] | nichos: | hrhr |
| [02:07:36] | nichos: | *hdhr |
| [02:08:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok, so the recording profiles don't apply, as it's just dumping the raw mpeg stream to disk. |
| [02:08:39] | nichos: | i do have a "transcoders" there too |
| [02:08:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: In that case, there should be no difference between "Live TV" quality and scheduled recordings with that tuner. ^ Oh, if you're transcoding, then that'll do it... |
| [02:09:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: Are you intentionally transcoding to save space? |
| [02:09:31] | nichos: | not that I did on purpose – i just bought a 2TB drive |
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| [02:10:35] | nichos: | under jobs I have only run commercial detection selected |
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| [02:10:41] | nichos: | run transcoder is unchecked |
| [02:11:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: Then I'd make sure the "Allow auto-transcode after recording" is NOT checked on your recording profiles. |
| [02:11:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | humm... Are you sure the channel you're recording is actually in HD, and not a SD resolution? Just because it's digital doesn't mean it's HD... ;-) |
| [02:12:03] | nichos: | definitely |
| [02:12:08] | nichos: | it's glee (primetime) |
| [02:12:17] | nichos: | also did it on modern familiy |
| [02:12:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: So does it start to play fine, then you get pixelation? |
| [02:13:02] | nichos: | i thought it was a heat issue, but the mb is reporting 33, and the cpu is 41 |
| [02:13:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: it might still be a heat issue – for your video card... |
| [02:13:37] | nichos: | any way to check that from the command line? |
| [02:13:40] | nichos: | (im sshd:) |
| [02:14:05] | nichos: | that's a good point, b/c it's recording 3 HD streams, and we were watching an hd show from earlier |
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| [02:14:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: maybe some command-line flag for nvidia-settings, but I'm not sure... (recording has nothing to do with your video card btw... ;-) ) |
| [02:14:55] | nichos: | ok, so it may be just the playback |
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| [02:16:16] | nichos: | 51'C |
| [02:16:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: nvidia-settings -q all shows lots of stuff, one of them being "ThermalSensorReading" – says the range is 0–127 inclusive, but I'm not sure how that scales to degrees C or F (maybe it's C already?) |
| [02:17:01] | nichos: | nvidia-smi -q -g 0 where the 0 is the card # |
| [02:17:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: Humm-- that's what mine says too, hopefully it's just a coincidence... |
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| [02:17:26] | nichos: | wow, just started watching a show and im at 57 |
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| [02:17:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: ah, ok, so it's probably accurate... ;-) |
| [02:17:47] | nichos: | but it's only recording 1 show right now (the other one's ended at 9) |
| [02:18:00] | nichos: | and there is an nvidia CPU in there, so it's probably toasty |
| [02:18:25] | nichos: | well wait |
| [02:18:39] | nichos: | i was just watching live tv, just now switched back to a recording and it's all pixelated |
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| [02:19:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: Play the recording with 'mplayer', and see if it's pixelated... |
| [02:19:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | nich |
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| [02:20:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: To find the recording, look for a file named *_2010mmddhhmm00*.mpg in your recordings directory, where mmddhhmm = the recording start time. |
| [02:21:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | er 2011.. ;-) hehehe |
| [02:21:48] | nichos: | im going to try that – here's what it looks like fyi: http://static.pixelpipe.com/d9ffdaf8-44c9-40c . . . 526193_m.jpg |
| [02:21:56] | nichos: | pardon the cell phone shot:) |
| [02:22:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... is that only on the 'blacks' you think? |
| [02:23:10] | nichos: | appears to be |
| [02:23:17] | nichos: | frequent on car tires, oddly |
| [02:23:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | I seem to remember something about changing a setting for the overlay color to grey caused that... do you recall changing that? |
| [02:23:46] | nichos: | yep, doing it in mplayer too |
| [02:24:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Umm... if it's doing it in Mplayer, then it's the source recording... |
| [02:24:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | -not- playback... |
| [02:24:36] | nichos: | it's 100% doing it in mplayer |
| [02:24:58] | nichos: | and you're saying theres no options because it's an HDHR? |
| [02:25:25] | nichos: | recording options |
| [02:25:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | No recording options... Are you using "Multirec" perhaps? |
| [02:25:39] | wagnerrp: | there are no recording options because its a digital tuner |
| [02:25:53] | wagnerrp: | you get tuning timeouts, virtual tuners, but thats it |
| [02:26:05] | wagnerrp: | no control over the video output |
| [02:26:29] | kormoc: | Nvidia cpu eh? Well there's your problem! |
| [02:26:47] | nutron: | I much prefer to go with VIA. |
| [02:26:55] | nichos: | im looking here at multirec on the wiki and it's all foreign to me, so i doubt i set any of that |
| [02:26:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | yuck. |
| [02:26:59] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: dont like the tegras? |
| [02:27:09] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, not especially |
| [02:27:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: Ok... humm... I wonder if it's the overlay color... |
| [02:28:02] | nichos: | even though it's on record, not playback? |
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| [02:29:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: If it looks different, even slightly between MythTV's player and Mplayer, then I'd say it's something to do with playback... |
| [02:29:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: if it's *identical*, then it'd be the source. |
| [02:30:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: Tv Settings -> Playback – 2nd page "Letterboxing Color" – is it "Black" or "Gray"? |
| [02:31:01] | aclonedsheep: | hey guys, any thoughts on this as a front end? i have a core 2 quad I am hoping still works, if not Ill get another CPU... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119018 |
| [02:31:12] | nichos: | there's another great example: http://static.pixelpipe.com/3bfe5462-5ac9-445 . . . fc45c6_m.jpg |
| [02:31:16] | nichos: | you can see it's only on the black |
| [02:31:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: Check that setting ^^ |
| [02:31:40] | nichos: | jeffa – i rebuilt the computer (including the graphics card) but the HDHR's are the same for about a year |
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| [02:32:09] | wagnerrp: | aclonedsheep: youre C2Q will not fit within the 65W power limit of that board |
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| [02:32:31] | aclonedsheep: | good point, wonder why it says it supports it |
| [02:32:33] | nichos: | JEFF! |
| [02:32:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: Did that do it? ;-) |
| [02:32:47] | wagnerrp: | there may be some low power units within that envelope |
| [02:32:51] | nichos: | ya, lol |
| [02:32:54] | nichos: | now that I saw that! |
| [02:32:58] | wagnerrp: | but the standard C2Q were not |
| [02:33:14] | wookey: | hi guys. I'm running mythtv 0.21 on Debian lenny on an ITX box, with haupage winTV USB box receiving DVB-T |
| [02:33:18] | nichos: | I thought that was for the SD broadcasts, I wanted grey instead of black on the sides (plasma) |
| [02:33:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: awesome. I only knew that because someone had some other funky stuff with that set to "Gray" a month or two ago, and someone else here had them change it to "Black"... ;-) |
| [02:33:36] | wookey: | I applied some security upgrades yesterday and now whilst I can watch existing recordings I can;t make new ones |
| [02:33:43] | wagnerrp: | wookey: youre not likely to get much support for 0.21 |
| [02:33:48] | aclonedsheep: | i have a kentsfield |
| [02:33:57] | wookey: | I know – but I tried upgrading and found that my machine was too slow |
| [02:34:07] | wookey: | so I've had to stick with this until better hardware |
| [02:34:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: That's what you get for having a plasma. ;-) hehehehehe... |
| [02:34:11] | wagnerrp: | chances are your 'security upgrades' did something to restrict permissions to your tuner device |
| [02:34:33] | aclonedsheep: | wagnerrp, i figured out how i could network a backend from upstairs in my office — so I want that to be the i5 box, but i wanna use what I can from my dead core2quad desktop, so a barebones i could try popping the CPU into was appealing :/ |
| [02:34:37] | wagnerrp: | wookey: 0.24 should not have significantly higher requirements than 0.21 |
| [02:35:01] | wookey: | I know (i tried with 0.21) but I couldn't get it to stop being all jerky |
| [02:35:07] | wookey: | I mean tried with 0.32 |
| [02:35:09] | wookey: | 0.23 |
| [02:35:11] | aclonedsheep: | i could just get another ion box for the front end |
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| [02:35:22] | nichos: | jeff – do i have to restart the backend or anything? it's still doing it and it's set to black |
| [02:35:29] | wookey: | I have had to nice this machine carefully to get smooth playback |
| [02:35:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: I thought you said it fixed it? You *might* have to restart the frontend, but not the backend... |
| [02:36:10] | wookey: | wagnerrp: When I hit 'record' does it check tuner device is OK before putting the prog in the database? |
| [02:36:22] | wookey: | the problem seems to be adding entreis to the 'to record' list |
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| [02:36:42] | kormoc: | perhaps your database has crashed tables? |
| [02:36:46] | nichos: | jeffa still doing it, but i'll keep an eye on it |
| [02:36:50] | wookey: | possibly – how would I check? |
| [02:36:58] | nichos: | this was recorded a few days ago (not sure if that matters) |
| [02:37:00] | wookey: | I tried re-running mythfillbasabase but that made no differnce |
| [02:37:23] | wookey: | database of exsiting recordings is OK |
| [02:37:32] | kormoc: | shutdown myth and mysql, mysqlcheck --auto-repair --check -u mythtv -pmysqlpass |
| [02:37:33] | wookey: | (and channels, profiles etc) |
| [02:37:40] | kormoc: | replacing username and password as needed |
| [02:38:03] | nichos: | very strange it doesn't do it all on live TV |
| [02:38:07] | kormoc: | ooh, you need a -A as well |
| [02:38:15] | nichos: | and since mplayer is doing it too, it must be in the recording |
| [02:38:56] | nichos: | i just recorded something that i watched live and it's not doing it on that |
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| [02:38:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: very strange... and "Live TV" on that same channel works fine? Maybe it's a weak signal on that channel? |
| [02:39:18] | wookey: | one wouldn't expect upgrade mysql-server 5.0.51a-24+lenny4 -> 5.0.51a-24+lenny5 |
| [02:39:21] | nichos: | jeffa – on the recordings it happened on 2 different chans |
| [02:39:23] | wookey: | to break tables though? |
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| [02:39:39] | wookey: | I'll check |
| [02:39:59] | nichos: | jeff – it's possible |
| [02:40:01] | kormoc: | it depends how it shutdown the database for the upgrade |
| [02:40:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: Then I'm not sure, man... I've got two HDHR's and have never had an issue with them. Do you have them configured with their device IDs, or IP addresses? (should be the former...) |
| [02:40:20] | kormoc: | (or rather if it didn't and then it dl()'d a lib |
| [02:41:13] | nichos: | jeffa – i'll keep an eye on it, it's possible it was the reception, but it was on the black stuff |
| [02:41:15] | nichos: | it seems fine now |
| [02:42:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: ^^ Do you have the HDHR configured as the device ID in Myth, or as the IP address? It should be configured with the device ID. |
| [02:43:08] | nichos: | i believe device |
| [02:43:16] | nichos: | because it auto detected them |
| [02:43:35] | nichos: | card is at 63'C |
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| [02:44:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok, that's the way it should be setup. ^ I don't know if that's normal or 'warm' – let's see what my card does while watching a HD-PVR recording... ;-) |
| [02:46:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | Although I don't have VDPAU functioning on this system-- for some reason the nvidia driver isn't 'behaving' on this FC13 system... (vdpau isn't detected for some reason by configure, even though it's running the nvidia binary driver... strange...) |
| [02:46:29] | innatech: | Hey. I've added an HD-PVR to my MythTV setup after one of my HVR-1600 PCI cards died. To my dissapointment, the S-Video recording on the HD-PVR looks much worse--black levels all washed out, a line of static crawling across the top of the screen and a generally muddier and more blurry image than my surviving HVR-1600. Apparently the v4l2-ctl picture controls for the HD-PVR are broken in the current kernel. What can I do? Can I get |
| [02:46:29] | innatech: | the frontend to hold different picture settings depending on the source in use? |
| [02:47:00] | kormoc: | No and why would you use a hdpvr for svideo? |
| [02:47:13] | nichos: | im at 65' and it looks like it's holding, but i do have some pixelation |
| [02:47:26] | nichos: | maybe ill open the case for a few days |
| [02:47:28] | innatech: | Didn't want to buy old tech, haven't yet upgraded the D*tv receivers to HD. |
| [02:47:30] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: does this build script only work with 0.24? |
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| [02:48:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: Mine's holding at 54C, watching a 1080i h.264 HD-PVR recording with software decoding... GPU is only 6% busy. |
| [02:48:27] | kormoc: | innatech, you might be the first person to use that input in myth |
| [02:48:33] | nichos: | im at 66 now, How do you like your eggs? |
| [02:49:02] | innatech: | kormoc, maybe--although I'd be surprised. It works well enough, just looks like crap. |
| [02:49:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: this particular card is just an 8400GS with 512MB ram. (on my backend, I don't run a frontend on it very often...) |
| [02:49:26] | nichos: | so maybe I'll set it to just "Normal" (not vdpau normal, but normal normal) and see how it goes |
| [02:49:36] | clgshaft: | hey guys, i need a little help, i am having a few issues with the mythtv setup. I have a 2250, 1600 (not working) and two 95q's (one working) when i let the backend run overnight, or during the day and i try to watchtv it says it is not connected to the backend, but i can watch recordings, and movies on my nas. |
| [02:49:40] | nichos: | FYI, ihave almost exactly this: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/mkv-playback-pixelation-issues-14182/ |
| [02:50:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: is it a Passive (no fan) or Actively cooled (fan) card? If Active, maybe the fan failed? If passive, not enough airflow? |
| [02:50:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: try "Slim" and see what happens. |
| [02:50:23] | innatech: | Is there a known remedy for the line of static at the top of the frame? I get it with my HD-Homerun, too. |
| [02:50:23] | nichos: | passive |
| [02:50:31] | kormoc: | innatech, negative |
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| [02:50:36] | nichos: | oh, 67 |
| [02:50:38] | kormoc: | innatech, it's in the signal |
| [02:50:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: so it's going to run warmer... but maybe you don't have enough airflow in your case... |
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| [02:51:10] | nichos: | i'll try slim |
| [02:51:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: or maybe those are normal temps for a passive card – i dunno – some googling is probably in order. ;-) |
| [02:51:16] | innatech: | kormoc, doesn't show up on the HVR-1600's recordings. |
| [02:51:24] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: nevermind, i found it |
| [02:51:26] | nichos: | i'd rather go with that than add a fan on the case |
| [02:51:42] | kormoc: | innatech, analog or digital? |
| [02:52:00] | innatech: | kormoc, analog s-video out of a digital DirecTV receiver. |
| [02:52:08] | innatech: | (or the HD-Homerun stream.) |
| [02:52:13] | nichos: | once the card cools down i'll try the slim profile |
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| [02:52:51] | kormoc: | innatech, the digital is a bit stream down the pipe. If you see it, it's in the stream. There's nothing being modified by the card. They're counting on your tv overscaning it out of view |
| [02:52:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: I'm holding at 54C with an actively cooled 8400 GS. |
| [02:53:15] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, your analog capture card might be emulating overscan which is why it's not there. the HDPVR does not |
| [02:53:26] | innatech: | kormoc, so is the CX-18/HVR-1600 not picking it up because its capture is slightly cropped in HW? |
| [02:53:27] | nichos: | ive got noting on but openbox and waiting to get under 60 :^) |
| [02:53:37] | kormoc: | innatech, that'd be my guess, yes |
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| [02:53:42] | innatech: | OK. |
| [02:54:22] | innatech: | so I guess I just stretch the vertical slightly.... |
| [02:55:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: I found a post that a guy asked if 52–72C is normal/safe for a 9800Gt, and the reply was "if it has a fan mounted, those temps are a bit hot but still within reason since 9800gt cards can hit 90C without issue", so I'd say you're ok at 60-something C... |
| [02:56:20] | nichos: | jeff, it's still doing it and them temp is at 60, with the slim profile |
| [02:56:31] | nichos: | it "seems" to get worse as i go, so im leaning toward temp |
| [02:56:39] | wagnerrp: | looks like this is specifically tuned for the gnu toolset |
| [02:56:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: Humm, do you have another video card to try? |
| [02:57:19] | nichos: | i do, i think i have the same on you do, that was working fine in my old mythtv for months |
| [02:57:26] | nichos: | this is only about a week old |
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| [02:57:37] | nichos: | i know the HDMI cable is good, i'll try swapping GPUs |
| [02:59:01] | nichos: | jeffa – thanks for all your help this evening |
| [02:59:29] | nichos: | ill have to try it tomorrow after work, boss wants the TV:) |
| [02:59:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: NP – let me know if the other card works or not – I'm going to go do some work on my snowblower before the snow tomorrow. ;-) |
| [03:00:07] | nichos: | us FLA folks don't have to worry about that :P |
| [03:00:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: use tab-complete to fill out my nic – type J- <tab> – and it'll highlight for me. ;-) |
| [03:00:22] | nichos: | stupid xchat doesn't do that |
| [03:00:28] | ** nichos needs to install bitchx ** | |
| [03:00:30] | kormoc: | nichos, sure it does |
| [03:00:40] | nichos: | on osx |
| [03:00:48] | kormoc: | Again, yes, it does :) |
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| [03:00:56] | nichos: | it just highlights kor |
| [03:01:07] | Beirdo: | has macbook |
| [03:01:10] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [03:01:11] | nichos: | probably a setting somewhere |
| [03:01:22] | nichos: | kormoc, |
| [03:01:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Did it just arrive? Cool! |
| [03:01:24] | nichos: | J-e-f-f-A, |
| [03:01:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: there ya go. ;-) |
| [03:01:31] | nichos: | oh there ya go – tab completion |
| [03:01:33] | kormoc: | X-Chat Aqua -> Preferences -> Interface -> Input Box |
| [03:01:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: that way, even if I'm not around, it'll show in my 'nick highlight' window. ;-) |
| [03:02:11] | kormoc: | Beirdo, welcome to the light side |
| [03:02:51] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: wouldnt that be the white side? |
| [03:02:58] | nichos: | thanks again all |
| [03:03:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: hehehe... ;-) My buddy went over to that side e "Light Side" about |
| [03:03:18] | Beirdo: | hehe :) |
| [03:03:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: ...er... about a year ago now from wintel. No looking back... |
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| [03:03:29] | Beirdo: | installing Snow Leopard |
| [03:03:41] | Beirdo: | 10.5 just don't cut it |
| [03:03:42] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [03:03:46] | kormoc: | Yeah, I'm glad I made the switch for my desktop/laptop |
| [03:03:59] | Beirdo: | I bought the media a year or so back |
| [03:04:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... and he switched his Mom over too – no more virus problems every other day... ;-) |
| [03:04:35] | kormoc: | That reminds me, I'm gonna slaughter bootcamp's win xp and buy windows 7.... ugh.... |
| [03:04:56] | wagnerrp: | so xbmc released a version supporting the appletv/ipad |
| [03:04:56] | iamlindoro: | Speaking of bootcamp, just exploring Steam for Mac, yay |
| [03:05:03] | Beirdo: | I guess I should go leave feedback on ebay |
| [03:05:04] | wagnerrp: | claiming full hardware decoder support |
| [03:05:06] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [03:05:09] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, yeah, tis awesome! |
| [03:05:10] | wagnerrp: | are they just using VDA? |
| [03:06:43] | iamlindoro: | dunno if VDA applies to their iphone OS |
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| [03:07:07] | iamlindoro: | or if there's an equivalent-- they definitely appear to be running it on iOS, so I assume there's hardware decode APIs publically available |
| [03:07:36] | Beirdo: | new toys are always a good thing :) |
| [03:07:58] | wagnerrp: | i thought those hardware decode APIs only allowed up to 720p, and only h264 (and mjpeg) |
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| [03:08:13] | wagnerrp: | on the A4 chip |
| [03:08:34] | iamlindoro: | I just work here |
| [03:09:15] | wagnerrp: | more issues with freebsd and the build script |
| [03:09:25] | wagnerrp: | seems its going to need a number of defines |
| [03:09:29] | Beirdo: | first ting I did... installed 4G RAM in it :) |
| [03:09:39] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Anything non-Source engine work installing/available? |
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| [03:11:08] | kormoc: | I've been mainly playing PvZ and Civ 4 |
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| [03:12:21] | Beirdo: | Civ 4? |
| [03:12:27] | wookey: | OK database checked out OK, but it turns out that the USB tuner was sulking (it does that quite a lot) |
| [03:12:29] | wagnerrp: | civilization |
| [03:12:31] | Beirdo: | Oh please, don't say that! |
| [03:12:43] | Beirdo: | I know. It's sucked me in many times ;) |
| [03:12:56] | wookey: | and it seems I can;t schedule a recording if the tuner is not working (no device to schedule it on I guess) |
| [03:13:34] | wookey: | it's first time I've seen the novaT VLED stay on when in fact it's not working (normally it goes out) |
| [03:13:49] | wookey: | that's probably due to (minor) kernel update |
| [03:14:05] | wookey: | thanx for the help, and I will try to get off 0.21 soon I promise :-) |
| [03:14:38] | wookey: | Do new versions work with BBC iplayer BTW? that would be very cool |
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| [03:20:38] | cba123: | I have AT&T Uverse, which comes with a DVR, but not I would like to be able to use Myth to handle pause/record for the non-DVR receivers. I have HDMI/Component/Composite out, any suggestions as to how I can get it working with Myth? |
| [03:21:04] | wagnerrp: | get a cheaper non-dvr iptv box |
| [03:21:15] | wagnerrp: | hook it up to a HDPVR through component video |
| [03:21:33] | wagnerrp: | put PCs running mythfrontend on your tvs |
| [03:22:06] | Beirdo: | and then put up your feet and have a beer |
| [03:22:41] | kormoc: | wookey, glad you got it all sorted :) |
| [03:23:11] | cba123: | I have a few other AT&T ones, that are non-DVR. Any suggestions as to a well supported HDPVR? Hauppauge still the way to go? |
| [03:23:39] | kormoc: | There is only one HDPVR, the Hauppage HDPVR |
| [03:23:42] | Beirdo: | HDPVR is a product made by Hauppauge :) |
| [03:24:50] | cba123: | I was just typing I googled it, and figured that out. Beat me to it. Sorry, been out of the game for a while. When I got uverse I didn't want to fiddle with HDMI to Myth, but I don't think the HDPVR was out then. |
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| [03:27:55] | cba123: | wagnerrp, Would you know if Myth can use the HDPVR's IR blaster to control a UVerse set-top box or no? |
| [03:28:21] | wagnerrp: | mythtv cannot use IR blasters |
| [03:28:26] | wagnerrp: | mythtv calls an external script |
| [03:28:26] | Beirdo: | cba123: it will likely work... but the IR blaster in it is finnicy |
| [03:28:36] | wagnerrp: | which in turn can use LIRC's 'irsend' executable |
| [03:28:49] | kormoc: | cba123, I liked using firewire to control cable boxes |
| [03:28:50] | wagnerrp: | now whether LIRC supports the blaster on the HDPVR... i dont know |
| [03:29:13] | Beirdo: | it did for me... with a driver from j-rod |
| [03:29:54] | Beirdo: | but if you can use firewire, you'll be a lot happier :) |
| [03:30:04] | cba123: | kormoc, I don't have firewire on this, UVerse. |
| [03:30:09] | Beirdo: | time remaining.... 13min |
| [03:30:45] | kormoc: | cba123, they're legally required to give it to you at your request if you have a HD plan |
| [03:31:21] | Beirdo: | isn't that only for cable? |
| [03:31:40] | kormoc: | Uverse is cable, no? |
| [03:31:44] | cba123: | kormoc, Yeah, I think only cable. This is kinda-sorta-fttn |
| [03:31:50] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: no, IPTV |
| [03:31:55] | wagnerrp: | not cable like verizon |
| [03:31:56] | kormoc: | ahh, whoops |
| [03:32:12] | cba123: | Like, UVerse wants to be FiOS when it grows up, afaik. |
| [03:32:46] | wagnerrp: | uverse cant grow up to be like verizon fios without a complete redesign of their system |
| [03:33:05] | wagnerrp: | they cant switch to fiber optic, but thats different |
| [03:33:20] | wagnerrp: | uverse sends video over your internet connection |
| [03:33:40] | cba123: | wagnerrp, What I've read says they are fiber to the neighborhood, like to the vrad or whatever, then copper to me |
| [03:34:03] | wagnerrp: | cba123: verizon fios uses a traditional QAM-modulated digital cable system, transmitted over an optical carrier |
| [03:34:25] | wagnerrp: | s/cant/can/ |
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| [03:34:44] | wagnerrp: | i mean even if they switch to fiber, they will be a completely different type of system from what verizon has |
| [03:35:21] | cba123: | wagnerrp, Oh, ok, my bad. Just trying to feel good about what I have. Verizon won't come here, so I have either comcast and their 250gig+netflix stuff, or AT&T Uverse. |
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| [03:36:15] | cba123: | 250gig+netflix stuff were meant as negatives. And I know AT&T supports Comcast's stance, but this is getting off topic. |
| [03:36:35] | cba123: | Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it. |
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| [03:51:57] | m4xx|home: | can someone please tell me how to get this version of the linuxtv driver source: http://git.linuxtv.org/media_build.git?a=comm . . . a746c80c793c ? |
| [03:52:53] | ** kormoc thinks Beirdo or xris is your only hope ** | |
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| [03:58:41] | wagnerrp: | kansdkjcvnakjncakjsndc... enhance! |
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| [04:09:13] | sphery: | nutron_: thanks... I'll check it out |
| [04:09:57] | nutron_: | sphery: for sure, I think it's very well done |
| [04:10:01] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: around? |
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| [04:11:02] | nutron: | gah! again.. wtf |
| [04:11:39] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: nevermind... was having some strange freetype build issues, but it seems its due to my PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| [04:14:51] | sphery: | wow, the difference between an OGV and MP4 version of Sintel is huge... 828MB vs 270MB |
| [04:14:57] | sphery: | for the full |
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| [04:15:42] | [R]: | sphery: it's huge? |
| [04:15:50] | sphery: | difference is huge |
| [04:16:02] | [R]: | that's what she said |
| [04:16:02] | sphery: | i.e. 3x the size if you go ogv |
| [04:16:03] | [R]: | hahahhahahah |
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| [04:16:24] | sphery: | heh, I should have known that's where you were going |
| [04:16:25] | nutron: | http://vimeo.com/17844236 |
| [04:16:32] | nutron: | that's a cool promo for one of the animators |
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| [04:17:03] | nutron: | sphery: just watch it on youtube while downloading the full one |
| [04:17:05] | nutron: | :P |
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| [04:18:23] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:18:45] | sphery: | I was mainly just suprised at the efficiency difference |
| [04:18:50] | sphery: | it's downloading fast enough |
| [04:18:58] | nutron: | aye |
| [04:19:10] | sphery: | guess that's what you get when you compare VP2 with VP8-generation |
| [04:19:45] | sphery: | er, VP3 |
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| [04:22:21] | [R]: | a friend of mine said a very barely passable that's what she said |
| [04:22:22] | [R]: | and i said it |
| [04:22:28] | [R]: | so he said "that was a stretch" |
| [04:22:32] | [R]: | and i said thats what she said again |
| [04:22:51] | wagnerrp: | just.... wow.... |
| [04:23:06] | [R]: | so omg... IT at my work sucks so much... freakin antivirus popped up when i tried to run netcat |
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| [04:25:49] | clever: | [R]: lol |
| [04:26:05] | clever: | atleast it isnt as bad as this story, http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/920458 . . . eople_go_bad |
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| [04:26:20] | [R]: | i understand when they got mad at me for running it on my desktop |
| [04:26:36] | [R]: | but i was running it on a computer on an isolated lan, and using it to connect to a computer on another isolate lan |
| [04:26:41] | clever: | that reminds me, i talked to a guy before who couldnt access irc |
| [04:26:42] | [R]: | i.e. i had 2 nics in the machine |
| [04:26:54] | m4xx|home: | my remote works when on main menu but not in live tv any ideas? |
| [04:26:56] | clever: | if he even looked at a site like mibbit, his computer would self-format he says |
| [04:27:16] | clever: | sounds like some extreme anti-zombie protections |
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| [04:32:08] | nutron: | sphery: even the music is pretty stellar |
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| [04:45:40] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Is there an interface to autoexpire list in Python bindings (similar to http://<masterbackend>:6544/Myth/GetExpiring )? |
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| [04:51:47] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yes |
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| [04:52:29] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/0.24_Python_bindings/C . . . #getExpiring |
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| [04:55:56] | Beirdo: | YOU get in the bowl! |
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| [05:14:34] | sphery: | wagnerrp: excellent |
| [05:14:37] | sphery: | thanks |
| [05:14:51] | wagnerrp: | it just provides a list of Program objects |
| [05:14:57] | wagnerrp: | or maybe an iterable, cant remember |
| [05:16:09] | sphery: | all I needed was a link :) |
| [05:16:18] | sphery: | making it work is left as an exercise to the reader |
| [05:16:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, saw the thread |
| [05:16:45] | sphery: | so is it actually using the mythxml stuff or backend proto or ??? |
| [05:17:02] | wagnerrp: | there is no mythxml stuff is there? |
| [05:17:26] | wagnerrp: | oh, seems that is a valid call |
| [05:17:33] | wagnerrp: | well... i may have one that runs through that too |
| [05:17:34] | wagnerrp: | cant remember |
| [05:17:49] | sphery: | so the one you pointed to goes through backend proto? |
| [05:18:25] | wagnerrp: | yeah, looks like the same call through a backend proto connection, or a mythxml 'connection' |
| [05:18:31] | wagnerrp: | with the same behavior |
| [05:18:35] | wagnerrp: | provides a list of Program objects |
| [05:18:40] | sphery: | cool |
| [05:18:50] | wagnerrp: | but the information contained in the program object will be slightly different |
| [05:19:07] | wagnerrp: | since the xml interface doesnt provide exactly what a ProgramInfo wants |
| [05:19:11] | sphery: | yeah, the mythxml one is stripped down |
| [05:19:22] | wagnerrp: | not by much |
| [05:19:28] | sphery: | and without a GetRecordedDetails (or GetRecordingDetails), it's not very useful |
| [05:19:28] | wagnerrp: | it does have a lot of information there |
| [05:19:33] | sphery: | since you can't get filename, etc. |
| [05:19:48] | wagnerrp: | what else would you need....right, filename |
| [05:19:57] | sphery: | and sg |
| [05:20:11] | sphery: | basically, it looks like program details, but without the recorded info |
| [05:20:31] | wagnerrp: | i suppose it gives you everything you need to access it from the backend webserver |
| [05:20:36] | wagnerrp: | the GetRecorded call |
| [05:20:47] | sphery: | yeah |
| [05:20:54] | sphery: | which is fine if you're just streaming it |
| [05:21:09] | wagnerrp: | well i ended up stalling on the script i was intending to write myself |
| [05:21:16] | sphery: | heh |
| [05:21:22] | sphery: | no probs--at least he has more info now |
| [05:21:32] | wagnerrp: | since theres just not enough access currently available to do /good/ storage balancing |
| [05:21:38] | sphery: | maybe he'll do a first run, then you can fix it :) |
| [05:22:08] | sphery: | yeah, having a nice script on the wiki would be great |
| [05:23:17] | wagnerrp: | id want some manner of forcing a specific storage directory to use when doing a remote write |
| [05:23:46] | wagnerrp: | as it stands, youre up to the decision of the backend |
| [05:23:52] | wagnerrp: | which i believe will be blind free space |
| [05:24:15] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [05:24:26] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, im stuck using child processes spawned through ssh to pull onto each machine and run locally |
| [05:24:31] | sphery: | I think the SG scheduler is only used for recording |
| [05:25:08] | wagnerrp: | and honestly, id love to have a backend call to 'move this recording here' |
| [05:25:19] | wagnerrp: | avoid the whole python filetransfer system |
| [05:25:25] | sphery: | agreed |
| [05:25:28] | wagnerrp: | as much time as ive spent on it, its still junk |
| [05:25:31] | sphery: | it's part of the plan |
| [05:25:43] | wagnerrp: | and the more capability i put into it, it just gets slower and slower |
| [05:26:04] | sphery: | yeah |
| [05:26:16] | wagnerrp: | im down to ~20MB/s transfers, from the original linear code which was 44MB/s |
| [05:26:27] | sphery: | btw, I'm planning on pushing the mythvideo schema integration patch, tomorrow |
| [05:26:50] | wagnerrp: | thats all from the mess of code i wrote for thread safety and backend events |
| [05:27:02] | sphery: | nothing changes in the DB after it--except we're guaranteed to have mythvideo tables, after--but it has those couple of small mods for the mythvideo schema version in python bindings |
| [05:27:02] | wagnerrp: | less than half the original performance |
| [05:27:34] | wagnerrp: | because im doing all sorts of conditional checking, and timeouts, and other stuff that just doesnt really work well in python |
| [05:27:49] | wagnerrp: | could certainly do it a lot cleaner and faster in cython |
| [05:28:07] | sphery: | and, so, tomorrow night, once we're guaranteed to have mythvideo tables, Beirdo can rewrite the UPnP code to use it and remove the UPnP scanner code :) |
| [05:28:33] | sphery: | interesting |
| [05:29:02] | sphery: | or you could just do it in C/C++ :) |
| [05:29:09] | wagnerrp: | yes, cython |
| [05:29:21] | wagnerrp: | its a blend between python and C |
| [05:29:27] | sphery: | no, I mean C/C++ with Qt and stick it in the backend |
| [05:29:48] | wagnerrp: | no, i mean performance issues with the python bindings |
| [05:30:07] | wagnerrp: | not talking about the balancing code |
| [05:30:14] | sphery: | yeah, I'm getting back to your, "and honestly, id love to have a backend call to 'move this recording here'" |
| [05:30:19] | wagnerrp: | but rather deficiencies in the bindings that would cause problems with the balancing code |
| [05:30:54] | k-man: | so i managed to catch the output of -v playback when the dvd player crashed, what should i do with it? |
| [05:31:12] | k-man: | it crashed with a segfault by the way |
| [05:31:21] | k-man: | and i can fairly consistently make it crash |
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| [05:32:18] | sphery: | k-man: ideally, you'd get a real backtrace of the segfault |
| [05:32:26] | sphery: | otherwise, we're just guessing (logs or no logs) |
| [05:32:37] | wagnerrp: | anyone been watching outsourced? |
| [05:32:38] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging |
| [05:32:42] | k-man: | sphery: ok, directions on the wiki for that? |
| [05:32:46] | k-man: | ok, thanks |
| [05:33:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, it's something to watch when you don't care to think |
| [05:33:22] | sphery: | not great, but better than some of the garbage on tv, now |
| [05:33:24] | Beirdo: | next to rip from LP: Berlin – Count Three and Pray |
| [05:33:29] | k-man: | profile build or debug build? which do you prefer? |
| [05:33:40] | wagnerrp: | sphery: havent seen any of it, missed a couple episodes anyway |
| [05:33:45] | wagnerrp: | considering just trashing it |
| [05:33:52] | sphery: | I recomment profile--otherwise you lose enough optimizations that things may not work well |
| [05:34:06] | sphery: | k-man: though if you have a package-based install, you should use the debug packages |
| [05:34:13] | sphery: | don't switch to source just for the backtrace |
| [05:34:18] | k-man: | no, its built from source |
| [05:34:29] | k-man: | just got it from git too, so its current fixes |
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| [05:34:57] | sphery: | wagnerrp: well, it's not highly serial, so missing episodes isn't an issue (it's about like "The Office"--most stand on their own, but occasionally, there's reference to earlier episode happenings) |
| [05:35:43] | sphery: | k-man: cool, markk has started looking at the dvd code, again, so I'm sure he'll appreciate the backtrace |
| [05:36:14] | wagnerrp: | seems i missed two, plus the first couple minutes of a third |
| [05:36:29] | wagnerrp: | honestly, i havent been watching it because one of the missed episodes was the pilot |
| [05:38:48] | k-man: | the wiki is not super clear about how to run a backtrace on the frontend |
| [05:39:04] | k-man: | i think i can work it out from the instructions for the backend |
| [05:39:38] | k-man: | you think i can get away with just recompiling mythtv? or will i need to do the plugins too? |
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| [05:40:52] | sphery: | k-man: same instructions, just change the binary name, arguments (including logging) |
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| [06:04:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, wagnerrp, it wouldn't be that hard to have the filetransfer write code use the storage scheduler to determine the best dir to write to. LiveTV does it on slave backends. it sends an event to the scheduler which calculates the best dir and calls back through mythproto to set the dir to use. the slave waits for a short period of time and if it hasn't heard back yet, it just uses the dir with the most free space. |
| [06:04:54] | Captain_Murdoch: | should have said livetv does it on all backends, even slaves. |
| [06:04:58] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: no, im thinking something a bit more complicated |
| [06:05:24] | wagnerrp: | something that would take into account the expiration order, upcoming recordings, per-show limits |
| [06:05:50] | wagnerrp: | something that would actually re-order things such that they should expire in order |
| [06:06:23] | wagnerrp: | just for moving things around, a pure free-space balancing works perfectly fine |
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| [06:08:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | the normal scheduler could/should handle that scheduling with some work. it was designed with only disks in mind because at the time we had only 1 dir for recording. it should take lots more info into account, but there are higher things on my list since it works well enough for me. |
| [06:11:54] | Beirdo: | I think I shoulda increased the gain on this rip :) |
| [06:12:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | I worked on a 'migrate' job at one point to copy/move files around between SG directories (local and/or remote). it's trivial since to do since I added remote writing via the ringbuffer. you just open one for read, another for write and copy data between. I have a patch for testing that adds a --copyfile option to mythcommflag and it copies to/from local and remote files. given something like that, it just needs the o |
| [06:12:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | ptional housekeeper logic to shuffle things around if necessary. the better part A is for scheduling, the less need for part B reordering, except when the user does something that affects B like deleting shows before they expire. |
| [06:12:42] | ** Captain_Murdoch sees the time and decides it's too late to get the brain worked up, so he calls it a night. ** | |
| [06:12:50] | wagnerrp: | heh, night |
| [06:14:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | :) feel free to enhance/modify/etc. any of that code as long as you maintain existing functionality, even if it's not the default. :) |
| [06:15:00] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i really need to get back to the jobqueue stuff, which is really relying on the recorded/videofile stuff |
| [06:15:07] | wagnerrp: | as well as the mainserver rework |
| [06:15:13] | wagnerrp: | and this other thing... |
| [06:15:16] | wagnerrp: | and that other stuff... |
| [06:15:17] | wagnerrp: | and... |
| [06:15:19] | Captain_Murdoch: | yep |
| [06:15:41] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: with recordedfile schema, we'll have mediafile.dirid, and if we move the autoexpirer's file system identification code to general availability, we then know which recordings are where and can create an SG balancer that takes autoexpire order into account |
| [06:15:44] | nutron: | sphery: did you watch sintel? |
| [06:15:53] | nutron: | Oh serious business. |
| [06:15:55] | ** nutron goes quiet ** | |
| [06:16:04] | wagnerrp: | sintel? |
| [06:16:15] | sphery: | plus, it would make it easier to do the file system re-balancing wagnerrp is mentioning |
| [06:16:18] | nutron: | the 3rd open movie |
| [06:16:28] | sphery: | since with current schema we don't really know where recordings exist |
| [06:16:31] | wagnerrp: | nutron: nah, if it were really serious, it would be done in #mythtv |
| [06:16:48] | sphery: | nutron: not yet--got it downloaded, but have to move it into mythvideo directories and then put in metadata, then can watch |
| [06:16:51] | sphery: | might not be today |
| [06:16:56] | nutron: | heh |
| [06:17:03] | sphery: | and, yeah, not really serious |
| [06:17:10] | nutron: | obsessive enough? you can watch it on your computer. |
| [06:17:19] | nutron: | Well I hate interrupting thoughts =) |
| [06:17:30] | sphery: | heh, why use the little screen when I have a perfectly good big screen |
| [06:17:38] | sphery: | besides, it would take me 3s to start moving it |
| [06:17:59] | nutron: | 10 mins of your time and meh i've been router fondling managed to watch it twice it's only really about 11 mins |
| [06:18:10] | wagnerrp: | 2K resolution? |
| [06:18:15] | wagnerrp: | wonder if VDPAU can handle that... |
| [06:18:16] | nutron: | 4k even |
| [06:18:29] | wagnerrp: | i dont see a 4k version |
| [06:18:42] | nutron: | oh saw it on the ewwwtube |
| [06:19:00] | nutron: | I read they were working on it, maybe unreleased on the site still since it's probably massive |
| [06:19:04] | wagnerrp: | heh... the 2K downloadable is probably higher bitrate than the 4K youtube |
| [06:19:06] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, filesystem id code is all in MainServer::GetFilesystemInfos() |
| [06:19:27] | nutron: | wagnerrp: probably. still looks amazing spanning 3 screens |
| [06:19:32] | wagnerrp: | nutron: they could just make it bittorrent only |
| [06:19:37] | sphery: | I got the 2048x872 version |
| [06:19:43] | nutron: | though i thought about taking the skill saw to the monitor frames :) |
| [06:20:15] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: ah, cool, then just need to make the info available |
| [06:20:19] | ** wagnerrp could watch the 4K version at full size... ** | |
| [06:20:36] | nutron: | I'm impressed even though it's old news to me.. it's on my old crufty mythbox until I figure out my started late bs |
| [06:21:14] | nutron: | 4k how? |
| [06:21:20] | k-man: | ok, got a core and a backtrace of dvd crashing, should i email it or just make a ticket and attach? |
| [06:21:40] | ** wagnerrp has a large enough display to handle that resolution ** | |
| [06:22:02] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: crt projector? |
| [06:22:04] | sphery: | k-man: ticket should be good |
| [06:22:14] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, yeah, we could even cache it for X seconds and have helpers to access the cache and auto-refresh it if necessary. but, I said I was going to bed and I don't need anymore to think about. :) |
| [06:22:17] | wagnerrp: | ooh... vertical is too large |
| [06:22:24] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if those HPs are designed to rotate |
| [06:22:31] | sphery: | k-man: probably don't need to put the core up there... start with just the backtrace (and possibly log) |
| [06:22:38] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: machine at work with a trio of 30" monitors |
| [06:22:45] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: heh, gn |
| [06:22:56] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: ah. hehe. |
| [06:23:17] | nutron: | ok someone seriously watch the movie, tell me it's good and i'll be happy .. |
| [06:23:18] | wagnerrp: | thought i could do it as is, but its too tall |
| [06:23:21] | nutron: | heh |
| [06:23:30] | wagnerrp: | but if they rotate, i could watch it full size |
| [06:24:16] | wagnerrp: | seems mp4 files cannot be streamed |
| [06:26:34] | Beirdo: | quicktime does it fine |
| [06:28:07] | wagnerrp: | ok, seems firefox part files containing mp4 data cannot be streamed |
| [06:28:54] | wagnerrp: | !tortoise Beirdo |
| [06:29:01] | wagnerrp: | nothing? |
| [06:29:55] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:30:06] | wagnerrp: | aww... |
| [06:30:10] | wagnerrp: | lies! |
| [06:30:11] | Beirdo: | let's see if that was the record skipping |
| [06:30:14] | wagnerrp: | lies i say! |
| [06:30:41] | wagnerrp: | 720x872, with stretched pixels |
| [06:30:55] | Beirdo: | seems it was |
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| [07:29:06] | wagnerrp: | gtroy: by 'thin client', you mean a dumb X server with audio? |
| [07:29:20] | gtroy: | yes |
| [07:29:40] | wagnerrp: | meaning the decoding would be done on a central system, and the uncompressed video pushed out over the network? |
| [07:29:49] | gtroy: | as much as possible |
| [07:30:02] | gtroy: | I have a beast of a machine in my bedroom |
| [07:30:14] | gtroy: | and a e140 neoware |
| [07:30:40] | wagnerrp: | standard definition video is 15MB/s, 1080p is 93MB/s |
| [07:30:41] | gtroy: | I'm not expecting to do HD |
| [07:30:49] | gtroy: | hmmm |
| [07:31:07] | gtroy: | so it is possible to run a dumb X client |
| [07:31:09] | wagnerrp: | its certainly doable over gigabit, but not realistic or worthwhile use of resources |
| [07:31:22] | gtroy: | right |
| [07:31:35] | wagnerrp: | that dumb X SERVER (mythfrontend is the client) must support opengl, or at minimum Xv |
| [07:31:42] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not do software scaling |
| [07:31:48] | gtroy: | I see |
| [07:32:26] | gtroy: | I'm trying to figure my way through a distributed htpc |
| [07:32:36] | aclonedsheep: | wagnerrp, just ordered i5 sandy bridge parts to fix my desktop into a spiffy backend, and ordered a next-gen ION as my front end :D finally settled that i hope |
| [07:32:54] | gtroy: | hey aclonedsheep |
| [07:32:55] | gtroy: | long time |
| [07:33:04] | aclonedsheep: | hey gtroy haha, fancy seeing you here |
| [07:33:08] | gtroy: | ;) |
| [07:33:13] | aclonedsheep: | hows it going? |
| [07:33:19] | wagnerrp: | looks to be an old 1GHz Via Eden system |
| [07:33:21] | gtroy: | good, pm me sometime |
| [07:33:26] | aclonedsheep: | you still on AIM? |
| [07:33:29] | gtroy: | right wagnerrp |
| [07:33:31] | aclonedsheep: | or just here all the time? |
| [07:33:33] | gtroy: | yup, I am |
| [07:33:39] | gtroy: | aim |
| [07:33:51] | wagnerrp: | im pretty sure Xv requires direct rendering |
| [07:34:17] | wagnerrp: | opengl can be done remotely, but no Via chip is going to have enough opengl grunt to use for video scaling |
| [07:34:20] | gtroy: | wagnerrp what would you suggest I do with the e140 |
| [07:34:28] | wagnerrp: | junk it |
| [07:34:36] | gtroy: | yeah :( |
| [07:34:59] | aclonedsheep: | grtroy i sent ya an IM |
| [07:35:02] | wagnerrp: | does that have a normal ATX PSU? |
| [07:35:09] | gtroy: | no |
| [07:35:17] | gtroy: | it's low power |
| [07:35:22] | gtroy: | 25W or so |
| [07:35:38] | wagnerrp: | ATX implies the type of power connector |
| [07:35:53] | wagnerrp: | specifically, a 10x2 or 12x2 plug |
| [07:36:08] | gtroy: | well, it's external |
| [07:36:31] | wagnerrp: | so its a power brick, with an internal DC supply |
| [07:36:35] | gtroy: | exactly |
| [07:36:58] | gtroy: | I don't know how much power I could push to a pci gpu |
| [07:37:10] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [07:37:27] | wagnerrp: | well you could keep the case, stuff it with ION or mini-itx athlon/core2 guts |
| [07:37:30] | Beirdo: | I can't wait until I have my new headphones |
| [07:38:14] | wagnerrp: | you could add a second video card to your desktop, and a long HDMI cable to the TV |
| [07:38:23] | gtroy: | trying this on shoestring budget |
| [07:38:40] | wagnerrp: | GT210 is available for ~$25 after rebate |
| [07:39:05] | gtroy: | I have a 9600GT in this |
| [07:39:09] | wagnerrp: | stuff it in a spare slot, use HDMI audio, maybe another $10 for a long HDMI cable to reach your TV |
| [07:39:12] | Beirdo: | and MythTV (over time) will likely be requiring plenty of shoestrings :) |
| [07:39:31] | wagnerrp: | a 9600 will do, if it has the SPDIF headers on it |
| [07:39:38] | aclonedsheep: | i just got stuff for my backend/ front end but the tuner , haha |
| [07:39:40] | gtroy: | hdmi is cheap... |
| [07:39:41] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, youll have to use a separate audio line |
| [07:40:06] | wagnerrp: | the GT cards have integrated audio, the older 8xx and 9xx series only do passthrough |
| [07:40:14] | gtroy: | right |
| [07:40:32] | gtroy: | I should just build a box with enough guts to do the job |
| [07:41:48] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [07:41:58] | wagnerrp: | thin clients are a nice concept |
| [07:42:06] | gtroy: | but for media...I'm not sure |
| [07:42:11] | wagnerrp: | but they only lend themselves to low power, low data applications |
| [07:42:26] | wagnerrp: | office applications, terminals, stuff thats going to be largely static |
| [07:42:39] | wagnerrp: | they just dont cut it for video |
| [07:42:58] | gtroy: | zotac ion would be good |
| [07:43:11] | wagnerrp: | only as a dedicated frontend |
| [07:43:11] | gtroy: | just can't put down the cash atm |
| [07:43:27] | wagnerrp: | they are not recommended for a backend or combo machine |
| [07:43:42] | Beirdo: | Oooh fun. 12" 45RPM single |
| [07:43:43] | wagnerrp: | and really, real hardware is preferred for a dedicated frontend |
| [07:44:28] | wagnerrp: | running diskless is about as 'thin' as you can get with mythtv |
| [07:44:42] | wagnerrp: | which saves you about $40 |
| [07:45:12] | wagnerrp: | there are people who run multiple frontends on a single machine, but thats not for the faint of heart |
| [07:45:47] | wagnerrp: | and even running a single frontend on an independent screen from a desktop is not trivial |
| [07:46:15] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: youve used lawrence rust's build script? |
| [07:46:41] | Beirdo: | not for a few weeks, but yes |
| [07:46:43] | gtroy: | ok, back to the drawing board...danke wagnerrp |
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| [07:46:52] | wagnerrp: | with cross compiling? |
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| [07:47:09] | wagnerrp: | you have any problems with freetype? |
| [07:47:33] | wagnerrp: | i have to point to the mingw32 install with PATH |
| [07:47:47] | wagnerrp: | but when i do, the built in cross-compile detection stuff in freetype gets hosed |
| [07:48:04] | Beirdo: | I think I had to download it from somewhere different, but nothing hosed that I recall |
| [07:48:14] | Beirdo: | I'll be trying the latest version again soon |
| [07:48:47] | wagnerrp: | basically, it thinks its compiling natively, tries to run compiled code during the configure test, and fails |
| [07:48:58] | Beirdo: | odd |
| [07:49:05] | Beirdo: | that I don't recall happening |
| [07:49:22] | wagnerrp: | telling me i should be using '--host' when i AM using --host |
| [07:49:34] | ** Beirdo is ripping a Culture Club 45RPM single ** | |
| [07:49:35] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [07:55:44] | Beirdo: | this record was made in Canada. Cool |
| [07:55:46] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [08:01:49] | Beirdo: | I hate earbuds |
| [08:02:00] | Beirdo: | stupid little pieces of crap |
| [08:02:11] | wagnerrp: | everyone hates earbuds, except apple |
| [08:02:18] | wagnerrp: | they made it a fashion statement |
| [08:02:25] | Hoxzer: | I love earbuds |
| [08:02:28] | Beirdo: | the left one keeps falling outta my dang ear |
| [08:02:38] | Beirdo: | Hoxzer: enjoy your job at Apple :) |
| [08:02:43] | Hoxzer: | I have CX300 and I use them evertime at the school's restaurant to hide my loneliness from myself |
| [08:02:52] | wagnerrp: | Hoxzer: you may love in-ear monitors, but no one loves earbuds |
| [08:02:56] | Hoxzer: | Beirdo: :( Don't like Apple |
| [08:03:01] | Beirdo: | the audio is crap... they don't fit in ears... |
| [08:03:01] | wagnerrp: | monitors plug your ears |
| [08:03:08] | Hoxzer: | Ah oke |
| [08:03:09] | wagnerrp: | buds just rest on the outer lip |
| [08:03:19] | Beirdo: | I want my over-the-ear wireless Sennheisers |
| [08:03:37] | Beirdo: | tomorrow night I should have em |
| [08:03:40] | Hoxzer: | ^ dont like those because then somebody would figure out I'm listening to gansta rap |
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| [08:03:52] | Beirdo: | then I won't be tied by a bloody cable to the machinery |
| [08:04:38] | Beirdo: | ooh, I recorded this a bit hot this time |
| [08:04:39] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:04:53] | Beirdo: | I hope those detected clips are only pops from the record |
| [08:05:05] | wagnerrp: | i got a pair of these for $15 bucks on woot, sound great... http://ap.razerzone.com/razer-pro-solutions/p . . . ar-earphones |
| [08:06:47] | wagnerrp: | Hoxzer: here you go... http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Razer/m100 . . . mparison.jpg |
| [08:06:54] | wagnerrp: | the top is a monitor, the bottom is an earbud |
| [08:07:54] | Hoxzer: | Monitor is my choice |
| [08:08:34] | wagnerrp: | and the choice of anyone who has bothered to venture beyond the earbud |
| [08:13:13] | Beirdo: | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0001FTVEK/ref=oss_product |
| [08:13:19] | Beirdo: | the choice of the Beirdo :) |
| [08:20:14] | justinh1: | reminds me I still need to go over my vinyl recordings & declick em |
| [08:20:44] | justinh1: | fyi that means zooming right in & sorting them out with a pencil tool, not using any sort of plugin. even $$$ plugins get it wrong |
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| [08:25:00] | Beirdo: | justinh1: it's fun ain't it |
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| [08:25:30] | Beirdo: | the de-click gets it close often, but yeah, there's no substitute for manually editing |
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| [08:28:46] | dserban: | ohai |
| [08:29:13] | dserban: | omg... I'm losing 4 mins out of a show now... |
| [08:29:37] | dserban: | wtf... |
| [08:29:43] | justinh1: | ZOMG 4 mins! |
| [08:30:09] | dserban: | yeah the roflcopter has landed. |
| [08:30:19] | dserban: | oh right |
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| [08:30:52] | nutron: | 5 mins in some cases |
| [08:31:08] | justinh1: | do you mean the show starts 4 minutes late & myth isn't able to detect the time shift because it's not omnicognic? |
| [08:31:37] | justinh1: | broadcasters are notoriously bad at starting/ending shows on time |
| [08:32:04] | nutron: | justinh1, nah i went over it with kormoc and sphery, seems like a reschedule is called, then gets interrupted, that's where the recording starts. Seems to be getting worse. |
| [08:32:08] | justinh1: | strangely, since the advent of PVR technology they've got worse |
| [08:32:10] | nutron: | so every single show is cut short. |
| [08:32:13] | justinh1: | eew |
| [08:32:28] | justinh1: | is this what happens when you run mythbackend on a pogoplug then? ;-) |
| [08:32:39] | justinh1: | pogoplug/atom |
| [08:32:41] | justinh1: | same diff |
| [08:32:58] | nutron: | nah, dual opty w/4gb ram, it's powerful enough, even profiled the db with kormoc's script. |
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| [08:33:19] | sphery: | nutron: btw, Sinter was great |
| [08:33:36] | sphery: | amazing how much improved it is over the first 2 |
| [08:33:37] | nutron: | but... I upped the verbosity for logging since... maybe that's what's causing it.. iowait |
| [08:33:48] | nutron: | sphery, i know, i was blown away |
| [08:34:14] | justinh1: | eep. I've been able to do like 10 simultaneous recordings on my machine with a FS that's fragmented to hell |
| [08:34:23] | nutron: | the detail is fantastic too, I'll definately buy the dvd set, just to keep the project healthy (not that one person can, but I assume others will do the same) |
| [08:34:24] | justinh1: | no problems with the scheduler either |
| [08:34:47] | nutron: | justinh1, yeah I know, I got peeps stumped... I'm stumped too. |
| [08:35:27] | nutron: | sphery, maybe it _is_ the no keyframe entries is what kills it |
| [08:35:41] | nutron: | the logging? pwning my backend? shouldn't... |
| [08:35:52] | sphery: | could be... |
| [08:35:59] | nutron: | maybe if I turn off the commflags |
| [08:36:04] | nutron: | see if that does it |
| [08:36:15] | sphery: | or: mythbackend -v none |
| [08:36:18] | sphery: | and see if that helps |
| [08:36:24] | justinh1: | actually I've noticed the scheduler doesn't run a reschedule for a while -or it's taking a while when I select a show to record in the guide |
| [08:36:33] | sphery: | unless it's not the I/O from logging, but the processing/erroring |
| [08:36:35] | nutron: | hmm ... eeeew a one hour show is missing 14 mins |
| [08:36:40] | justinh1: | it was much faster when it was more or less a fresh install with the original db |
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| [08:37:37] | nutron: | justinh1, I upped all I could on the db... it started from a pristine install, so I dunno, and I'm not really all that retarded .. though I did quadruple check my settings and my recording rules. |
| [08:37:46] | justinh1: | I set something to record, the icon doesn't appear for a while & in the meantime it says 'not listed' in the rec status text.. until eventually it changes to whatever the recording type should be |
| [08:38:04] | nutron: | sphery, you mean other processes? or myth having some sort of issue? |
| [08:38:06] | justinh1: | maybe it's mysql being an ass |
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| [08:38:42] | nutron: | I don't know for certain, but the speed seems to be on par |
| [08:38:48] | nutron: | with others |
| [08:39:00] | justinh1: | nutron: well you're not running mythbackend on a pogoplug/atom so I *know* you're not retarded ;-) |
| [08:39:10] | nutron: | I'm gonna take a screenshot, so others don't think I'm making this crap up :) |
| [08:39:15] | nutron: | heh |
| [08:39:37] | sphery: | nutron: did you send the logs/db, yet? |
| [08:39:48] | nutron: | sphery, no I just got home |
| [08:39:50] | nutron: | want me to? |
| [08:40:07] | sphery: | whenever... I was just making sure I didn't lose it in my spam folder |
| [08:40:27] | sphery: | I probably won't take a look tonight |
| [08:40:29] | nutron: | goin' to bed soon? |
| [08:40:31] | nutron: | ahh ok |
| [08:40:34] | sphery: | I should be in bed, already :) |
| [08:40:39] | nutron: | meh .. overrated |
| [08:40:41] | nutron: | =) |
| [08:40:45] | sphery: | heh |
| [08:41:20] | ** Beirdo rips a Helix LP ** | |
| [08:41:22] | nutron: | wow... on cp... it's taking too long, I wonder how big the log is |
| [08:41:29] | nutron: | :o |
| [08:41:47] | justinh1: | that was the next question.. how full is the partition mysql lives on? ;-) |
| [08:41:48] | Beirdo: | as in, yes, Helix... from KW |
| [08:42:08] | nutron: | justinh1, pretty empty... 72gb free or so |
| [08:42:13] | nutron: | but not after these logs :) |
| [08:42:31] | Beirdo: | IIRC the drummer in this band is/was a janitor at a friend's high school |
| [08:42:33] | nutron: | from kw? not ky? |
| [08:42:40] | Beirdo: | Kitchener-Waterloo |
| [08:42:46] | nutron: | oh hah, :) |
| [08:42:54] | justinh1: | word to the wise – I was downloading a bunch of stuff to my home dir, and that dir was on the same partition /var/mysql lived on. it got full & that made mysql very poorly |
| [08:42:59] | nutron: | I'm west, Ontario is a different country... so is Quebec :P |
| [08:43:00] | Beirdo: | where I was born... and where I went to university |
| [08:43:37] | nutron: | yikes... 1.4 gb for the log |
| [08:43:39] | justinh1: | it made mysql so poorly I had to free up the space and create a new database from a backup |
| [08:43:50] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [08:43:51] | nutron: | rrrough. Nah I have plenty |
| [08:44:04] | Beirdo: | /var/mysql really should have a partition to itself to prevent that |
| [08:44:07] | justinh1: | just saying.. so it doesn't happen to anybody who doesn't take backups |
| [08:44:11] | nutron: | I've learned from the past... linux likes free space. |
| [08:44:31] | justinh1: | Beirdo: or just have /home on its own partition, as is sometimes the norm on nonbuntu |
| [08:44:35] | nutron: | Oh I cron a backup every night... scp it to a nas-type box... and burned once a month |
| [08:44:49] | Beirdo: | yeah, but /var/log often shares a filesystem, and then fills it |
| [08:45:08] | ** justinh1 smites everything and everybody who uses /var ** | |
| [08:45:10] | nutron: | jeebs... from 1.4gb to 67mb ... repeat much? |
| [08:45:25] | justinh1: | course it repeats a lot ;) |
| [08:45:28] | ** nutron wonders how justinh1 feels about qmail ** | |
| [08:45:46] | justinh1: | I need to cure all my systems of ubuntu-ness |
| [08:45:48] | Beirdo: | oooh, one clipping event |
| [08:45:50] | nutron: | oh crap I forgot to pull out the first keyframe is .. lines |
| [08:45:57] | Beirdo: | I think that was a record pop |
| [08:46:10] | nutron: | Beirdo, shouldn't you be coding? =) |
| [08:46:10] | justinh1: | for all I say I can't stand the distro I still use it rather a lot :P |
| [08:46:12] | Beirdo: | I am recording a bit hot though |
| [08:46:17] | Beirdo: | no |
| [08:46:20] | nutron: | hah |
| [08:46:32] | Beirdo: | I don't feel like it right at the moment |
| [08:46:33] | nutron: | <-- was kidding |
| [08:46:48] | Beirdo: | and I'm playing with new toys |
| [08:46:51] | justinh1: | Beirdo: the joy of using my Sony MD deck as the A/D converter was that it had a very gentle limiter that kicked in to stop clipping |
| [08:46:54] | nutron: | :o toys! |
| [08:46:59] | nutron: | Yay for boobies. |
| [08:47:03] | nutron: | err toys. |
| [08:47:24] | Beirdo: | justinh1: yeah, but it also loses that tiny bit of quality recompressing |
| [08:47:32] | justinh1: | nah |
| [08:47:51] | Beirdo: | I'm using a preamp with USB ADC... right into audacity |
| [08:47:52] | justinh1: | I recorded everything with plenty headroom anyway |
| [08:48:02] | Beirdo: | then save to FLAC |
| [08:48:03] | justinh1: | ugh. I hate audacity |
| [08:48:16] | Beirdo: | I've used far worse |
| [08:48:34] | justinh1: | people criticise mythtv for usability – they should try & navigate a huge audio file in audacity |
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| [08:48:36] | Beirdo: | for its price it's pretty darned good |
| [08:48:36] | nutron: | what's better justinh1 ? |
| [08:48:45] | justinh1: | nothing, for free |
| [08:48:45] | Beirdo: | define huge :) |
| [08:48:52] | justinh1: | huge.. like > 30 mins |
| [08:49:00] | nutron: | I see. |
| [08:49:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:49:01] | justinh1: | or 2 hours |
| [08:49:07] | Beirdo: | yeah, been there, done that |
| [08:49:11] | Beirdo: | Goon Show rips |
| [08:49:29] | justinh1: | <3 Sony Vegas. blimmin excellent video editor & DAW software par excellance |
| [08:49:38] | justinh1: | non-destructive too |
| [08:49:47] | justinh1: | actually cool edit used to be the best free |
| [08:50:02] | justinh1: | nothing free can hold a candle to that now |
| [08:50:16] | Beirdo: | Audacity is as good as cooledit in my experience |
| [08:50:36] | justinh1: | they need to fix the zooming so it works with a mousewheel |
| [08:51:05] | Beirdo: | oh, for sure |
| [08:51:15] | Beirdo: | it still has issues |
| [08:51:25] | justinh1: | seen how that works in Ableton? Yikes. that's just beyond intuitive |
| [08:51:35] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [08:51:52] | Beirdo: | OK, capturing side B |
| [08:51:54] | nutron: | anyone know if deadline scheduler would be better for ... say anyone when it comes to sata sans ncq? |
| [08:51:59] | justinh1: | Ableton is easily the best software I've ever paid money for |
| [08:53:24] | justinh1: | Beirdo: the waveform view has an overview above it, where a box acts like a zoom window – meaning the view below – the large view – is everything in the window. Click & move mouse up & down, zooms in & out. Click & move left to right moves the window |
| [08:55:02] | justinh1: | actually GIMP could use some scrollwheel zooming love too. not CTRL mousewheel. Grrr |
| [08:56:16] | justinh1: | reminds me I saw a tweet yesterday – somebody saying all mythtv developers have no regard for usability or architecture. That guy needs some Trout Over IP |
| [08:56:20] | Beirdo: | stupid DSL dropped |
| [08:56:33] | Beirdo: | oooh nice |
| [08:56:58] | Beirdo: | anyone who tweets such malarky is a dolt |
| [08:57:23] | justinh1: | yeah it's so unusable my wife has no problems operating it & she even figured out how to turn off timestretch from one of her shows |
| [08:58:07] | Beirdo: | and anyone who makes such claims has obviously never tried to grow a large project :) |
| [08:58:23] | justinh1: | oo apparently I can improve my laptop's DPC latency by disabling the IrDA crap onboard. I didn't even realise it had that stuff |
| [08:58:38] | Beirdo: | what would be cool is to be able to start the turntable from the PC |
| [08:58:39] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [08:58:48] | Beirdo: | and even better... flip the record |
| [08:58:49] | justinh1: | Beirdo: true. and everytime somebody makes a feature request God kills a kitten |
| [08:59:10] | justinh1: | Beirdo: come on not even the Ion USB turntable can do that (start, I mean) |
| [08:59:25] | Beirdo: | yeah, but they suck :) |
| [08:59:34] | justinh1: | yeah plastic turntables all suck |
| [08:59:37] | Beirdo: | this one has a start sync input |
| [08:59:51] | Beirdo: | might be an output |
| [08:59:54] | Beirdo: | not sure which :) |
| [08:59:56] | justinh1: | not even sure they use magnetic cartridges, those Ion efforts |
| [08:59:58] | nutron: | it's probably the booze, but this story makes me feel feelings and i'm not sure i'm comfortable with it <-- stellar youtube comment about sintel ... heh |
| [09:00:04] | Beirdo: | are you serious?! |
| [09:00:05] | justinh1: | probly a remote start input |
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| [09:00:18] | justinh1: | Beirdo: oh yeah. deadly |
| [09:00:25] | Beirdo: | I will be replacing his cartridge soon |
| [09:00:35] | Beirdo: | was going to today, but forgot my wallet at home (ooops) |
| [09:00:54] | Beirdo: | it has an old Audio Technica in there, but the styluses are hard to find |
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| [09:01:00] | justinh1: | nothing in the world makes me feel as geeky as fitting a cartridge to a tonearm |
| [09:01:16] | AndyCap: | where are the laser based record players? |
| [09:01:17] | Beirdo: | current choice is a Shure M92E (it's P-Mount unfortunately) |
| [09:01:30] | Beirdo: | AndyCap: they are called "CD Players" |
| [09:01:42] | AndyCap: | Beirdo: bah, humbug. |
| [09:01:53] | justinh1: | I went to a DJ workshop at a sound/light tradeshow a few years ago. I was the only punter in a crowd of 300 people who could align a cart & set up a tonearm |
| [09:02:11] | Beirdo: | jeez |
| [09:02:37] | Beirdo: | I'll probably buy a better turntable later... with 1/2" mount :) |
| [09:02:42] | justinh1: | get turntable, put cart on.. off you go. LOL |
| [09:02:54] | justinh1: | and wonder why the stylus jumps out when you back cue |
| [09:03:01] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [09:03:15] | Beirdo: | yeah, well, I'm not planning to do any of that |
| [09:03:48] | justinh1: | I wish I'd had a better turntable to do my transcription though. SL1210s suck for sound quality |
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| [09:04:15] | justinh1: | factor of thousands better than those USB TTs though :D |
| [09:04:28] | Beirdo: | yeah, no kidding |
| [09:05:03] | Beirdo: | this is an OK turntable, but I don't like it as much as an old Dual |
| [09:05:35] | justinh1: | I quite fancy a rega planar for my next one. when I'm older |
| [09:05:44] | Beirdo: | which is completely manual, but... |
| [09:05:55] | Beirdo: | well, you can feed a stack of discs to it |
| [09:06:04] | justinh1: | not sure it'll be a good choice with a mix of 33 & 45 rpm on dance music vinyl |
| [09:06:05] | Beirdo: | but that's about as auto as it gets for those |
| [09:06:11] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [09:06:22] | justinh1: | heh all the old stereograms had stackers like that |
| [09:06:32] | Beirdo: | I ripped a 45RPM 12" single today |
| [09:06:47] | Beirdo: | Culture Club – The War Song |
| [09:07:01] | justinh1: | I'm not sure stacking records is such a good idea. the base of the cart needs to be parallel with the record surface, ideally |
| [09:07:12] | Beirdo: | which reminds me of the -users ML... "people are stupid..." |
| [09:07:18] | justinh1: | hahaha |
| [09:07:19] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's not a good plan |
| [09:07:35] | justinh1: | you should make a 200 disc vinyl autochanger |
| [09:07:41] | Beirdo: | hahaah :) |
| [09:07:51] | justinh1: | with firewire! |
| [09:07:52] | Beirdo: | Wurlitzer used to sell em |
| [09:07:58] | Beirdo: | they are called jukeboxes |
| [09:08:03] | Beirdo: | well, no firewire ;) |
| [09:08:04] | AndyCap: | Harr harr |
| [09:08:17] | AndyCap: | Beirdo: maybe ask Stern to make one? |
| [09:08:31] | Beirdo: | huh? |
| [09:08:51] | justinh1: | btw re laser reading record players, somebody's had a go scanning records & reproducing sound from that |
| [09:09:05] | justinh1: | I mean on a flatbed scanner lol |
| [09:09:32] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [09:09:36] | Beirdo: | freaks |
| [09:09:36] | AndyCap: | justinh1: Not sure if I call that sound, but it would be cool if developed further |
| [09:09:43] | justinh1: | hahaha http://www.elpj.com/ |
| [09:09:46] | AndyCap: | justinh1: sounded like something from the edison era |
| [09:10:13] | justinh1: | prices start at 10 grand :-O |
| [09:10:34] | justinh1: | well 10 grand ish |
| [09:10:37] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [09:11:15] | AndyCap: | ooh, an actual laser turntable, |
| [09:11:40] | AndyCap: | next, writable records, hello piracy. |
| [09:11:45] | Beirdo: | they could at least put spdif out |
| [09:12:25] | justinh1: | AndyCap: you can actually buy a vinyl cutter for home use for about $500 or so |
| [09:12:30] | justinh1: | blanks cost about $10 each |
| [09:12:38] | justinh1: | still way cheaper than having acetates cut |
| [09:12:48] | justinh1: | Vestax make it |
| [09:12:50] | AndyCap: | justinh1: does that work from sound or an image of a disc? |
| [09:13:03] | justinh1: | audio input |
| [09:13:07] | AndyCap: | heh, cool |
| [09:13:35] | AndyCap: | heh, Image. I guess mold or master is more appropriate. |
| [09:13:57] | justinh1: | oh wait the vestax one was still over 5 grand |
| [09:14:29] | AndyCap: | considering the cost of cd-r when it was introduced that isn't so bad |
| [09:14:38] | AndyCap: | but I guess it will never hit the mass market. :P |
| [09:15:15] | justinh1: | there was one you mounted on a normal turntable |
| [09:16:16] | AndyCap: | Your scientists have discovered the secret of Mass Production, this allows you to build the submarine. |
| [09:17:32] | justinh1: | da da dahhhhhhhhh! http://www.htfr.com/more-info/MR34618 |
| [09:21:51] | AndyCap: | save 3500 quid. ouch |
| [09:23:18] | nutron: | yikes... |
| [09:23:23] | nutron: | cd burners are cheaper |
| [09:23:37] | AndyCap: | nutron: they didn't use to be |
| [09:24:04] | justinh1: | cd burners used to be like ££££££££ |
| [09:24:04] | nutron: | Aye, I remember. |
| [09:24:11] | justinh1: | then they were like £££££ |
| [09:24:18] | justinh1: | and then £££... and so on :) |
| [09:24:25] | nutron: | And so forth. |
| [09:24:28] | justinh1: | now we get CD burners free in boxes of cornflakes |
| [09:24:30] | AndyCap: | so if home vinly cutters take off.. :P |
| [09:24:57] | justinh1: | hahahahaha I remember spending half a month's wages on my first CD burner & SCSI card |
| [09:25:10] | nutron: | I'm getting the nagging feeling that part of my missing recordings has to do with IO. Looks like it's always in wait state. Though my loadavg never goes higher than 1.8 or so. |
| [09:25:17] | Beirdo: | now a coffee almost costs more |
| [09:25:18] | nutron: | Dual core, I guess that's acceptable. |
| [09:25:57] | nutron: | justinh1, I remember holding out for the 2x drives... bought a philips pos for 400 dollars. It broke within 2 weeks. |
| [09:26:38] | justinh1: | my first burner must've done over a thousand discs before it gave up |
| [09:26:43] | nutron: | Have you guys ever heard of IO causing missing chunks of recordings? |
| [09:26:51] | justinh1: | nutron: nope |
| [09:27:02] | nutron: | justinh1, it was a design flaw. I went through 3 different ones before I gave up. |
| [09:27:02] | justinh1: | a system like yours shouldn't be IO bound |
| [09:27:17] | nutron: | justinh1, Yeah I know, but I'm grasping here. |
| [09:27:25] | justinh1: | nutron: unless you've got a raid array of 128MB USB sticks :P |
| [09:27:33] | nutron: | lol!!!! |
| [09:27:38] | nutron: | haha, that's something I'd do... |
| [09:27:53] | justinh1: | that's something clever or dustybin'd do too |
| [09:28:04] | nutron: | Naw, 14 hard drives. |
| [09:28:08] | ** nutron feels insulted ** | |
| [09:29:17] | ** justinh1 dons wrestling outfit.. readin ma geee mail... ** | |
| [09:29:25] | nutron: | even though sphery showed me his calcs on power waste per gigabyte... I'm still using bzip2 to compress this log |
| [09:31:04] | nutron: | what's the largest message a sane email server will take? I've set mine at work to 2gigs :) (a clever attempt at having management deal with departed employees home folders) |
| [09:31:26] | nutron: | seeing that policy states that blah blah blah.. i have hundreds of gigs of files that haven't been touched since 1999 |
| [09:32:49] | justinh1: | OMG.. if you take the year you were born, add your age to it, you get the answer 2011! :-O |
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| [09:33:54] | nutron: | hah... wow I gotta hit the sack, I'm babbling and ready to "re-install windows" |
| [09:34:23] | nutron: | Actually mine adds up to last year... weeeird |
| [09:35:20] | ** justinh1 goes to make a serial cable for the new IR transceiver ** | |
| [09:38:30] | Beirdo: | OK, bed for me |
| [09:39:07] | Beirdo: | ripped 2 LPs and 2 12" singles... one at 33, one at 45 |
| [09:44:01] | sphery: | nutron: heh, was only really meant to apply to frequent backups--not single-compression |
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| [09:56:27] | k-man: | sphery: raised the ticket: Ticket #9498 |
| [10:01:54] | sid3windr: | justinh1: doesnt work for me... 1982+28=2010 :/ |
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| [11:04:04] | seanhodges: | Hi all. I'm having trouble posting to the mythtv-users mailing list, I've tried contacting the mailman admin but no response. Does anyone know how to contact right people to get this resolved? |
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| [11:06:09] | justinh1: | having trouble posting or having trouble seeing your own posts? |
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| [11:06:40] | justinh1: | I don't have any problems posting to any of the lists. Simples. I don't ever post |
| [11:07:16] | seanhodges: | justinh1, having trouble posting. I get bounced with message "Post by non-member to a members-only list" |
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| [11:08:08] | justinh1: | did you opt in to subscribe & take appropriate action described in the email you got? |
| [11:08:25] | seanhodges: | justinh1, Yes, I verified my subscription and can log into the user settings in mailman |
| [11:08:49] | justinh1: | I wouldn't worry about it. the user's ML sucks anyway :) |
| [11:10:59] | seanhodges: | justinh1, :) It's a shame, I was hoping to help contribute on the list, perhaps help make it suck less |
| [11:11:46] | seanhodges: | Looks like my best bet is to unsubscribe and rely on IRC/forums instead |
| [11:12:40] | justinh1: | too much top posting, not enough trimming by far |
| [11:12:49] | justinh1: | way too much HTML in mails too |
| [11:13:42] | justinh1: | and always people complaining about problems. yeesh |
| [11:14:16] | seanhodges: | how dare they ;) |
| [11:15:24] | justinh1: | I'm just bitter because I've never got any help from posting questions on any of the MLs |
| [11:16:36] | seanhodges: | well I'll give it another week, in case the admin gets back to me, then just unsubscribe. sounds like more trouble than its worth |
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| [11:17:47] | seanhodges: | thanks for the info justinh1 |
| [11:18:50] | justinh1: | maybe the ML memberships went moderated & you're waiting for human intervention |
| [11:19:19] | justinh1: | I subscribed to all the lists but email sending is turned off |
| [11:19:29] | justinh1: | just incase I ever see something worth replying to :) |
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| [11:20:10] | balor: | How do I search for string "foo" in the EPG? |
| [11:21:40] | justinh1: | from where? |
| [11:21:52] | justinh1: | mythfrontend? Manage recordings > search > yada yada yada |
| [11:23:34] | justinh1: | come to think about it, it might be cool to be able to search the epg from the screen where the epg is shown, but nobody's coded that. Yet |
| [11:25:08] | balor: | ah |
| [11:25:25] | balor: | So can I jump to channel 9611? From the "watching live tv" bit |
| [11:25:36] | justinh1: | yes |
| [11:25:37] | balor: | I did want to search fro "RTE Radio" |
| [11:25:46] | balor: | but I've figured out that the channel is 9611 |
| [11:26:45] | justinh1: | depending on whether or not you've got 'select changes channels' enabled (I can't remember what the defaull setting is) you use number keys – or number keys followed by SELECT |
| [11:27:48] | balor: | It's doing *something* where something may be crashing |
| [11:27:52] | justinh1: | ah it's not that setting. see here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Watch_TV |
| [11:28:20] | justinh1: | jumping to channels by number is turned off by default? that seems a bit daft |
| [11:29:14] | justinh1: | balor: sometimes some things do bad things. Only sometimes. The trick is to know what that something is, and when the some times are |
| [11:29:41] | justinh1: | the backend log is a great place to look for hints |
| [11:29:49] | balor: | Is there any way to browse to channel X and then say, show this in livetv now? |
| [11:29:57] | balor: | Rather than go through live tv. |
| [11:30:08] | justinh1: | not that I know of |
| [11:30:16] | balor: | i.e. start the livetv at predefined channel X, not the last channle I was looking at |
| [11:30:18] | balor: | hmm... |
| [11:31:15] | balor: | Given that there are 55000 or so channels on Astra, I'd like to be able to search for channels |
| [11:31:19] | justinh1: | I never use live tv :) |
| [11:31:29] | justinh1: | 100 channels is way too many |
| [11:31:50] | justinh1: | there's not enough quality programming to go round even 100 channels let alone thousands :D |
| [11:32:11] | balor: | I use it for the radio |
| [11:32:30] | balor: | I live in the UK and want both UK and Irish news (being an Irishman) |
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| [11:33:25] | justinh1: | if that was all I wanted to do I wouldn't have picked mythtv :) |
| [11:34:11] | balor: | I also want to record |
| [11:34:17] | balor: | and view my video collection |
| [11:35:35] | justinh1: | then in your position I'd likely trim down the amount of channels to something er.. manageable. I've seen what's available on Astra etc & it's a bewildering array of utter shite |
| [11:35:45] | balor: | yeah |
| [11:35:58] | balor: | that makes sense |
| [11:36:01] | justinh1: | how many religious channels? shopping channels? etc :) |
| [11:36:05] | balor: | no idea |
| [11:36:13] | justinh1: | loads. that's how many lol |
| [11:36:29] | balor: | It'd be nice to have a "make mythtv only reflect the freesat+ channels" option for the UK/IE |
| [11:36:31] | justinh1: | there are over 1000 channels available to UK folks |
| [11:36:51] | justinh1: | or originated in the UK |
| [11:37:28] | justinh1: | when it goes to that sort of number it really makes more sense to look at what you use TV for in terms of what you want to watch programming wise, not channels :) |
| [11:38:27] | justinh1: | time taken to decide whether you like what's on a channel at a given time = about 30 secs. 30 secs x 200 channels.. == more than the remaining time of whatever you pick to watch :P |
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| [11:39:21] | justinh1: | it'd be *nice* if mythtv setup was completely idiot proof & wizardised.. there are some people with designs heading towards that – but it ain't gonna be easy |
| [11:40:36] | justinh1: | I only use freeview – point being there's FA I want on freesat I don't already get via my aerial – and my channel lineup omits a lot of crud a general wizard wouldn't miss out |
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| [11:51:00] | justinh1: | heh there's actually a lot less in the freesat lineup than I thought |
| [11:51:40] | balor: | TV::ToggleChannelFavorite() — currently disabled :( |
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| [11:55:41] | hashbang: | balor: you can start Live TV from the currently selected channel in the program guide, but I can't remember exactly how |
| [11:55:47] | hashbang: | balor: have a look at the keybindings |
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| [11:57:51] | hashbang: | justinh1: I get the same problem when I post my questions on mailing lists; usually by that point I've googled extensively, read archives, even read source code, so there are usually very few people who are in a position to be able to help. |
| [11:58:41] | hashbang: | seanhodges: sounds like you're trying to use a different sender address to that which you subscribed with. Check your mail client settings. |
| [11:59:27] | balor: | hashbang: You can do that by pressing select. My problem is, with 50000 channels, how to find the channel you want. I'd like some search function |
| [12:00:09] | hashbang: | balor: right. Stuffed then, probably. At least the program guide is fairly quick to scroll. But I feel your pain. |
| [12:00:34] | hashbang: | balor: I'd probably go to the channel editor in mythweb and make a bunch of channels invisible |
| [12:00:54] | hashbang: | balor: come to think of it, your browser can search for things in that page |
| [12:00:55] | balor: | I'll do that. I only found mythweb last week. |
| [12:01:20] | hashbang: | balor: you'll end up with RSI in your radio box clicking finger, but... |
| [12:01:32] | hashbang: | it's probably the /quickest/ way of achieving what you want |
| [12:01:55] | hashbang: | heh, or just use a SQL update to make everything /invisible/ then select the things you want visible. :-) |
| [12:02:10] | hashbang: | might be easiest with 50K channels. |
| [12:02:43] | balor: | good idea |
| [12:02:44] | balor: | thanks |
| [12:04:49] | justinh1: | anyway I dunno where you get 50k channels on Astra from |
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| [12:05:47] | balor: | Well, there are a lot of channel numbers...some of them are in the range 50000+ |
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| [12:55:08] | justinh1: | oh meh. XBMC ported to Apple devices. Yawn |
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| [13:55:33] | JEDIDIAH__: | that seemed kind of inevitable. hard to say how useful it really is. |
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| [14:02:18] | justinh1: | wuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh but the eye pad!!!!!!!!!! :-O |
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| [15:29:11] | JEDIDIAH__: | I dunno. I've messed around with other cydia media players and not gotten very good results. |
| [15:29:37] | JEDIDIAH__: | I find the idea that any ithing could handle HD divx a little unbelievable. |
| [15:30:12] | JEDIDIAH__: | It's like an ION. |
| [15:31:33] | wagnerrp: | pretty sure none of the iParts do hardware decoding of divx, and none of them has enough power to do it in software |
| [15:31:49] | JEDIDIAH__: | yeah... |
| [15:31:55] | wagnerrp: | 'course i dont know why anyone would use hd divx anyway |
| [15:32:28] | wagnerrp: | or any of the ASP blends |
| [15:34:46] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...probably the same reason mythtv used it. |
| [15:35:19] | wagnerrp: | because the code was written 8 years ago when h264 wasnt even finalized, and no one has bothered to update it? |
| [15:36:30] | JEDIDIAH__: | sounds like the classic legacy problem. |
| [15:37:57] | JEDIDIAH__: | although even now h264 still doesn't make so much sense for transcoding TV that will be watched and then discarded. |
| [15:38:27] | wagnerrp: | h264 doesnt make so much sense for transcoding TV that will be stored either |
| [15:39:31] | JEDIDIAH__: | Sure it does. It's remarkably more efficient. (storagewise) |
| [15:40:04] | JEDIDIAH__: | for some devices, it's not even an option anyways. |
| [15:40:07] | wagnerrp: | 2–3x more efficient, sure |
| [15:40:18] | wagnerrp: | but with a huge power cost for compression |
| [15:40:56] | wagnerrp: | that power cost is not inconsequential |
| [15:41:08] | wagnerrp: | and is a good portion of the cost of the storage space you would otherwise be saving |
| [15:41:42] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, the only reason for transcoding mythtv content is to support those some devices thjat require specific formats |
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| [16:23:10] | Gibby: | i did an update the other day on my FE and now all voice's come out of my left rear speaker, on stereo videos with upmixer on, and does it with upmixer off on 5.1 audio videos..... i understand if it does it with upmixer on for stereo but not with it off and for 5.1 ss... any insight? |
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| [16:37:32] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: I imagine the same thing applies to MythArchive onto DVD too... |
| [16:39:25] | wagnerrp: | whats that? |
| [16:41:07] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: the power in converting recordings to DVDs probably outweighs the cost of more HDD storage |
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| [16:45:32] | wagnerrp: | actually, in that case the usable storage space actually costs more than HDD storage |
| [16:45:49] | wagnerrp: | completely ignoring the power spent transcoding |
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| [16:47:44] | wagnerrp: | a 100 disk spindle is going to be $20-$30 (inc shipping) |
| [16:48:45] | wagnerrp: | at 437GB, and realistically <400GB usable when you account for wasted space on the disks |
| [16:49:02] | wagnerrp: | youre looking at five packs to equal a single 2TB drive, which is available for <$100 |
| [16:49:10] | cal_: | in .24, browsing channels no longer starts at the current channel being watched? |
| [16:49:17] | wagnerrp: | add in the fact that you need a (relatively cheap) burner |
| [16:50:02] | wagnerrp: | and you need to physically flip out those 500 disks over the course of 3.5 straight days of burning |
| [16:50:19] | JEDIDIAH__: | archiving to optical media will be more bothersome than anything else. |
| [16:50:40] | wagnerrp: | storage to DVD for anything but use with physical DVD players is worthless |
| [16:55:02] | cal_: | wagnerrp: i see a tearing line or two on SD channels when using opengl. guess i will have to switch back. |
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| [16:58:10] | cal_: | and deal with blurry OSD text :( |
| [16:58:51] | wagnerrp: | enable opengl v-sync |
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| [17:01:35] | cal_: | oh.. guessing that is in the nvidia control panel settings, not mythtv setup? |
| [17:02:50] | wagnerrp: | no, should be in mythfrontend |
| [17:03:10] | cal_: | ahh |
| [17:03:41] | cal_: | hmm, i do have a Quality adjustment in the nvidia opengl settings, going to max that out and see what happends |
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| [17:14:33] | toeb: | hi, i upgraded to fixes/0.24 [v0.24-113-g90fe13c], and no livetv is no longer working on the remote frontends, the frontend on the same machine as the backend is able to do livetv |
| [17:15:09] | wagnerrp: | sounds like youre not actually connecting to the proper backend |
| [17:15:16] | toeb: | the other frontends just get stuck at "Please wait" |
| [17:16:07] | toeb: | backend starts recording for livetv, i can see this in the mythweb status page |
| [17:16:38] | wagnerrp: | pastebin your frontend logs |
| [17:16:40] | toeb: | still the frontend gets stuck at the "please wait..." screen of the blue-abstract theme |
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| [17:17:45] | toeb: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/4jR2CZh9 |
| [17:18:50] | toeb: | this was started with -v important,general |
| [17:19:32] | wagnerrp: | nothing there... what about the backend? |
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| [17:21:57] | toeb: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/sp3gbzYp |
| [17:22:21] | toeb: | thats all i see on the backend, frederick is the client trying to start livetv |
| [17:25:42] | toeb: | this is the backend log if i start livetv with the frontend running on the same machine as the backend http://mythtv.pastebin.com/tSeRQt3n |
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| [17:40:22] | cal_: | why do i get video when using vdpau if my card supposedly does not support it? |
| [17:41:57] | iamlindoro: | because it's falling back to a software method |
| [17:42:17] | cal_: | ahh |
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| [17:46:02] | toeb: | if i start a recording on the frontend which gets stuck at "please wait", it creates two files for the same show, on with 0B in size and a second one which seems to get recorded normal. |
| [17:46:30] | toeb: | i can use a second backend to watch this recording from the livetv group |
| [17:46:46] | toeb: | this is strange... |
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| [17:47:38] | toeb: | s/seconde backend/second frontend/ |
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| [17:52:46] | toeb: | and if i try to delete the 0B sized from the second frontend it complains, that the file is in use by the other frontend stuck at the waiting screen |
| [17:53:27] | clever: | sounds like the frontend is waiting for the 0 byte file to grow in size |
| [17:53:37] | clever: | while the backend started a 2nd file without informing the frontend |
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| [17:55:40] | toeb: | yes, but why, and what can i do about this |
| [17:56:11] | clever: | no idea on the why part, ive never seen a 0byte file myself |
| [17:56:16] | clever: | but i keep hearing about them |
| [17:56:41] | wagnerrp: | 0-byte files typically indicated a failed tuner lock, or fault in the tuner driver |
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| [17:59:37] | toeb: | wagnerrp: the second frontend uses the same tuner to start livetv and it works yust fine |
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| [18:16:57] | toeb: | i just don't get it, both are remote frontends, both are netbooted, so the even use the 'same' mythfrontend binary, and one behaves and the other doesnt.. |
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| [18:23:24] | nutron: | kormoc: for the db dump... any utf flags or anything needed for you? |
| [18:25:59] | kormoc: | nutron, --opt --add-drop-table --allow-keywords --comments --complete-insert --create-options --extended-insert --quick --dump-date --tz-utc |
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| [18:36:17] | nutron: | sorry ... whoodathunk alt-ctl-bksp still worked? :) |
| [18:36:28] | nutron: | kormoc: mind giving me the dump command again? |
| [18:38:05] | wagnerrp: | --opt --add-drop-table --allow-keywords --comments --complete-insert --create-options --extended-insert --quick --dump-date --tz-utc |
| [18:38:39] | nutron: | wagnerrp: thanks |
| [18:43:43] | Beirdo: | --run-around-in-circles |
| [18:44:43] | nutron: | heh starting to feel that way =) |
| [18:45:40] | nutron: | what's that super compressor sphery was talking about xc xv or something like? |
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| [18:46:14] | kormoc: | don't bother. bzip is plenty for a db |
| [18:46:19] | kormoc: | (a db that small) |
| [18:46:39] | nutron: | nah it's my log... 3gb :/ |
| [18:47:28] | kormoc: | plzip? |
| [18:48:28] | sphery: | nutron: xz is the one I had numbers for, but lzip and its parallelized plzip cousin are my favorites |
| [18:48:42] | cal_: | mythtv .24 is crashing quite a bit with segfaults, what could be causing this? segfault at 0 ip 00007f63a676fa59 sp 00007f6385ac4a60 error 4 in libmythtv-0.24.so.0.24.0[7f63a610d000+c3a000] |
| [18:48:58] | kormoc: | cal_, see the wiki page on getting a useful backtrace |
| [18:49:06] | kormoc: | cause that line means *nothing* without the rest |
| [18:49:08] | sphery: | cal_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging |
| [18:49:17] | cal_: | thx |
| [18:53:24] | nutron: | sphery: it looks good, plzip... is that compatible with any other format or is it its own? |
| [18:54:42] | jcarlos: | Can I set a particular channel not to update its EIT in a system with EIT enabled ? |
| [18:54:45] | kormoc: | plzip == pzip == xz afaik |
| [18:54:49] | kormoc: | it's all LZMA |
| [18:55:15] | nutron: | a'ight, so this should take a while :) |
| [18:55:30] | sphery: | nutron: different specific file format, but same LZMA algorithm |
| [18:55:32] | kormoc: | jcarlos, in the channel editor set useonairguide = negative |
| [18:55:49] | nutron: | heh first time i've seen top report a program using 200% cpu |
| [18:55:50] | sphery: | so if you use lzip or plzip, you'll need to use the same to decompress |
| [18:55:56] | sphery: | something like 7-zip may also support 9it |
| [18:56:10] | sphery: | heh, threads are great on multicore |
| [18:56:13] | jcarlos: | kormoc: Thanks |
| [18:56:17] | kormoc: | I'm fairly sure lzip and plzip work together |
| [18:56:26] | sphery: | right |
| [18:56:27] | jcarlos: | kormoc: And i |
| [18:56:28] | nutron: | sphery: indeed, I was just asking about the algo really, trying to gauge the time I have to twiddle my diddles. |
| [18:56:35] | sphery: | "the same" meant lzip or plzip |
| [18:56:59] | sphery: | versus using something like xz, which is also LZMA, but doesn't support the lz format |
| [18:57:19] | jcarlos: | kormoc: And if I uncheck the "Visible" check it keeps updating EIT if "Use on air guide" is checked ? |
| [18:57:22] | sphery: | nutron: with plzip, almost exactly half as much time as with lzip :) |
| [18:57:32] | sphery: | (it's really that good at scaling) |
| [18:57:36] | kormoc: | jcarlos, no idea |
| [18:57:47] | kormoc: | (assuming your IO system can handle it) |
| [18:58:11] | nutron: | right. I tried this insane compressor .. can't remember the name now, but on a dual cpu octo core, it took 8 days to compress a 7.8 gb dvd vob set... tried it because I wanted to see if it actually _did_ compress pre-compressed files. |
| [18:58:23] | nutron: | 8-something-or-other... lzma based |
| [18:58:23] | sphery: | jcarlos: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7908 |
| [18:58:34] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [18:58:47] | kormoc: | sounds like you have a horrible IO system if it takes 8 days to process 7.8 gb |
| [18:59:02] | jcarlos: | sphery: Hehe ... thanks you know all ... :-) |
| [18:59:12] | kormoc: | my lowly 8 core box would handle that under an hour I'm sure |
| [18:59:13] | nutron: | kormoc: nah, it was the compressor... it had sliding windows, tried different sizes until it found the best possible solution |
| [18:59:14] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:59:27] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [18:59:34] | sphery: | kormoc: I wouldn't be surprised if xz took that long |
| [18:59:46] | kormoc: | that's a lesson in fruitlessness |
| [18:59:49] | nutron: | it was in a "funded" test... really can't remember the name now |
| [18:59:52] | kormoc: | sphery, that bad eh? |
| [19:00:18] | sphery: | xz takes much longer |
| [19:00:21] | nutron: | heh, I tried it as an experiment... it was a waste of time, I think it managed to save 300mb or so |
| [19:00:33] | kormoc: | I've really only used plzip |
| [19:00:47] | kormoc: | as everything I have is multicore/multicpu |
| [19:00:58] | sphery: | on my 320MB DB, it took 14s for gzip, and 9m for xz |
| [19:01:24] | sphery: | and that was simple text (versus already-compressed binary) |
| [19:01:26] | nutron: | heh crazy |
| [19:01:51] | sphery: | and I think as the input size increases, the time required increases non-linearly with LZMA |
| [19:02:29] | nutron: | 8pak I think it was called |
| [19:02:32] | ** nutron searches ** | |
| [19:02:50] | kormoc: | Asian's male weekly |
| [19:03:10] | kormoc: | not a very work safe search |
| [19:03:21] | nutron: | lol |
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| [19:05:02] | nutron: | file extension was pak... still trying to find the site |
| [19:05:41] | wagnerrp: | we know youre lost without your weekly dose of asian males |
| [19:07:29] | sphery: | kormoc is in to weakly males? |
| [19:07:46] | sphery: | oh, you said weekly dose |
| [19:07:49] | wagnerrp: | sure, they cant fight back |
| [19:07:56] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:09:01] | nutron: | hm I give up... it was called 8 pak something. Due to it being the 8th attempt at super compression. |
| [19:10:02] | toeb: | ahhh, now both remote frontends get stuck at "please wait..." and only the frontend on the same machine as the backend is starting livetv! |
| [19:10:20] | wagnerrp: | can the remote frontends play recordings? |
| [19:12:45] | toeb: | yes, i even can use one one frontend to start live tv, this frontend gets stuck at the "please wait..." screen. then go to the other frontend and use the the livetv recording group to view the recording which i had started on the stuck frontend.... |
| [19:13:17] | kormoc: | nutron, 8th? more like 8 hundred thousandth |
| [19:13:57] | toeb: | wagnerrp: but as i mentioned before, there are alwas to recordings created, one with 0B and the other is recorded normal |
| [19:14:07] | nutron: | oh heh.. no .. by this programmer. |
| [19:15:56] | nutron: | Anyhow not important now, the power I wasted with that experiment makes me feel dirty. |
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| [19:17:23] | wagnerrp: | ive never really understood why compression algorithms get lumped in with AI research |
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| [19:22:14] | kormoc: | "I'm writing intelligent sql queries!" "No your not, that's AI there buddy!" "Oh noes! MY RESEARCH!" |
| [19:23:12] | nutron: | heh my backend feels like a 486... "c'mon compress little buddy!" |
| [19:23:32] | nutron: | I gotta leave for the office in an hour .. and of course my router's not done :P |
| [19:23:46] | kormoc: | so finish it! |
| [19:23:50] | mongy: | I have a slight problem with the media library and scanning for videos. I recently reinstalled my os (ubuntu 10.10) and it no longer sees any videos in the folder I set up for it to look in when scanning for changes. Now it worked before but the only thing different with this install is I am now using encrypted home folder, so could that be it? |
| [19:24:00] | kormoc: | What sorta geek are you when you can't remote home... :P |
| [19:24:11] | kormoc: | mongy, logs? |
| [19:24:19] | nutron: | y'know... I had it all running wonderfully ... then I decided it wasn't good enough.. so I tore it all down.. that was 8 months ago.. :) |
| [19:24:39] | kormoc: | nutron, spend the 10 minutes and get it going again |
| [19:24:47] | nutron: | I know .. I should install windows and call it done |
| [19:25:03] | toeb: | could the frontend be sending the command to start livetv accidentally twice? |
| [19:25:23] | mongy: | kormoc, which log in particular |
| [19:25:23] | kormoc: | unlikely |
| [19:25:34] | kormoc: | mongy, the backend logs while scanning |
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| [19:25:45] | nutron: | it's more complex than that ... squid, shorewall, multi-homed .. time of day acl's .. auto porn block (for the kids of course) etc. |
| [19:25:54] | kormoc: | (.24 has backend scanning, no?) |
| [19:25:59] | toeb: | kormoc: but why are there always two recordings created? |
| [19:26:01] | kormoc: | nutron, meh. Shorewall makes it easy |
| [19:26:03] | nutron: | but ssh shouldn't be that bad :) |
| [19:26:08] | mongy: | kormoc, ah I see this. SG(Videos) Error: Group 'Videos' wants to use directory '/home/dean/', but this directory is not writeable. |
| [19:26:12] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: backend scanning? |
| [19:26:15] | Enox2: | Hi. I'm having difficulty with a channel scan on a HVR-1600 for OTR (ATSC?) channels in north america. Whatever I do I seem to get "Failed to find any channels". I'm not even sure where to start to fix this. |
| [19:26:18] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, of video files? |
| [19:26:34] | wagnerrp: | i dont think that got put in until after the branch |
| [19:26:34] | kormoc: | mongy, so make it writable! it's telling you exactly what you need to do... |
| [19:26:37] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [19:27:00] | Enox2: | OTR=OTA..over the air, sorry. |
| [19:27:20] | mongy: | so make group mythtv write access for my home folder.... ok |
| [19:27:25] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: yeah... [27308] |
| [19:27:25] | MythLogBot: | SVN 27308: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/69f594d3 |
| [19:27:38] | nutron: | shorewall does make it easy, it's the other crap .. myth is eating at my life :) |
| [19:28:02] | nutron: | and my wife thankfully believes I know what I'm doing.. how wrong she is... |
| [19:28:25] | Beirdo: | ooh, I heard some record cracks & pops still |
| [19:28:28] | wagnerrp: | i need to find a more automated mechanism for managing pf |
| [19:28:39] | wagnerrp: | hand editing the firewall configs gets a bit tedious |
| [19:28:48] | ** Beirdo is listening to Berlin – Take My Breath Away ** | |
| [19:28:49] | wagnerrp: | plus i need something my parents can actually use |
| [19:28:50] | nutron: | m0n0wall? |
| [19:28:51] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, no shorewall for bsd? |
| [19:29:00] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: no iptables for bsd |
| [19:29:27] | kormoc: | shorewall doesn't require iptables does it? it's just a plugin |
| [19:29:39] | wagnerrp: | nutron: m0n0wall seems like its abandoned |
| [19:29:47] | nutron: | kormoc: yeah heavily uses iptables |
| [19:29:49] | kormoc: | ahh, nope, it's only netfilter |
| [19:29:51] | wagnerrp: | they still havent upgraded past 6.2 |
| [19:29:57] | nutron: | wagnerrp: really? it's pretty though.. |
| [19:30:25] | wagnerrp: | i could probably take their web service and update it though |
| [19:30:48] | Enox2: | Anyone have a guess what might be the issue scanning for over the air channels on a HVR-1600 ? |
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| [19:31:18] | wagnerrp: | Enox2: too small an antenna, wrong frequency table, wrong modulation scheme |
| [19:31:35] | Enox2: | Antinnea works with a TV |
| [19:31:53] | Enox2: | I wasn't able to select "ATSC" for some reason, it only had NTSC...This might be a issue? |
| [19:31:58] | nutron: | wagnerrp: yeah, but you're needed here =) |
| [19:32:08] | wagnerrp: | Enox2: no, thats completely independent |
| [19:32:41] | nutron: | any of you know of some small script that pumps system stats into syslog on a regular basis? I'm getting the feeling that there's something wrong with my backend box. |
| [19:32:47] | Enox2: | How do I troubleshoot the other two possibilities? |
| [19:32:59] | nutron: | I guess I could cron uptime>logger and call it done.. but that's not enough info i'm thinking |
| [19:33:57] | nutron: | I screwed the system up when I was upping the ivtv buffers... ran out of addressable space on the pci bus. Played with the memory hole settings like crazy and finally go it to boot up again. |
| [19:34:35] | kormoc: | nutron, auditd? Cacti? |
| [19:34:53] | Enox2: | Ahh, apparently "default" isn't "us-bcast". I may have some results with "us-bcast" |
| [19:35:16] | nutron: | so i have a niggly little feeling that io is being hosed somewhat... i do have some warnings in dmesg that the kernel ends up moving some memory addresses around for different cards... |
| [19:35:46] | nutron: | cacti .. well i am running snmp on this box, just haven't setup the cacti poller on the other server .. meh |
| [19:35:57] | nutron: | haven't looked at auditd |
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| [19:40:55] | kormoc: | nutron, you want sar |
| [19:41:07] | wagnerrp: | sar? |
| [19:41:22] | kormoc: | http://linux.die.net/man/1/sar |
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| [19:42:12] | kormoc: | part of sysstat |
| [19:42:23] | clever: | sar and isag are good for monitoring the system without a full blown cacti/snmp install |
| [19:42:59] | sdkovacs: | I like iostat for disk utilization (also part of sysstat) |
| [19:43:06] | clever: | i can see that my frontend idles near 0.25% cpu usage if i leave it alone |
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| [19:43:14] | clever: | yep, iostat helps alot for io monitoring |
| [19:45:06] | sdkovacs: | I'm surprised there hasnt been much discussion on the list about xbmc on the appletv2 |
| [19:45:25] | wagnerrp: | sdkovacs: because it cannot be used with mythtv content |
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| [19:46:08] | sdkovacs: | not through mythtv directly, but as a dumb frontend to a SMb or DLNA share |
| [19:46:16] | wagnerrp: | no, it cant |
| [19:46:33] | nutron: | i have sar installed .. i forgot all about it |
| [19:46:33] | kormoc: | skd5aner, you can't watch 1080i content, so then you have limited access to your recordings, doesn't support high bitrate streams.... sounds perfect! |
| [19:46:37] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt have the power for it |
| [19:48:20] | kormoc: | just wait, once the ps3 perfect frontend thread dies off, it'll be replaced by the atv perfect frontend thread |
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| [19:48:56] | wagnerrp: | we already had one such thread |
| [19:48:59] | kormoc: | and once that dies off it'll be replaced with a plugpc perfect frontend thread and then by a android tablet perfect frontend thread... |
| [19:49:03] | wagnerrp: | when it first came out |
| [19:54:10] | Wicked: | you can use xbmc as a frontend. it supports myth:// upto mythtv0.23. 0.24 doesnt work unless in xbcm trunk iirc |
| [19:54:30] | kormoc: | Wicked, and doesn't change the limitations of the hardware |
| [19:54:32] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: no, you cant |
| [19:54:45] | wagnerrp: | XBMC claims to support the hardware decoder, however they managed to pull that off |
| [19:54:55] | wagnerrp: | however the hardware decoder cannot do MPEG2 |
| [19:55:02] | wagnerrp: | and it is limited in its support of h264 |
| [19:55:05] | Wicked: | wagnerrp, hmm. i use xbmc to access my recorded tv from mythtv. |
| [19:55:27] | wagnerrp: | sure, you /can/ use XBMC to access recorded content in mythtv |
| [19:55:42] | kormoc: | Wicked, we're talking about XbMC on the Apple TV |
| [19:56:01] | wagnerrp: | but using XBMC instead of the first party Apple video players on the ATV does not make it magically capable of handling video beyond the capabilities of the hardware |
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| [19:56:26] | Wicked: | right. i never said it was doing magic. |
| [19:56:27] | Wicked: | lol |
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| [19:56:45] | wagnerrp: | the hardware is simply too slow to handle any broadcast HD content |
| [19:56:54] | Wicked: | and i have not personally used it. but i was talking to the guy who did the development on it. |
| [19:57:23] | wagnerrp: | im interested as to how they got access to the hardware decoders |
| [19:57:28] | Wicked: | well from what he said it can handle hw decoding...but can only output @ 720 |
| [19:57:34] | kormoc: | Wicked, so what are you saying? We're saying XbMC on atv does not support anything other then low bit rate 720p h264. Are you diagreeing? |
| [19:58:03] | Wicked: | im only going on what the guy who developed the atv port told me.... |
| [19:58:07] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, new atv is the same as the intel gsa 600 gfx card. Same drivers should work for both |
| [19:58:14] | skd5aner: | kormoc: ? I think you might have tabbed the wrong name above? |
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| [19:58:28] | Wicked: | <davilla> Wicked: 1080p hw decode, display is 720p |
| [19:58:39] | kormoc: | skd5aner, when? |
| [19:58:47] | skd5aner: | [21 14:46] <+kormoc> skd5aner, you can't watch 1080i content, so then you have limited access to your recordings, doesn't support high bitrate streams.... sounds perfect! |
| [19:58:56] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: i knew it used the same SGX535 as the GMA500, but i didnt think the drivers would apply so easily |
| [19:59:01] | kormoc: | Wicked, and when folks have sent 1080i content to it, it barfed |
| [19:59:17] | kormoc: | skd5aner, yes I did |
| [19:59:18] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: if thats the case, then apple is intentionally crippling that chip |
| [19:59:19] | Wicked: | 1080p |
| [19:59:24] | wagnerrp: | they only claim support for L3.1 content |
| [19:59:31] | skd5aner: | k, wanted to make sure I wasn't confused or something |
| [19:59:33] | skd5aner: | thx |
| [19:59:33] | Wicked: | and the sourcecode for it is here: https://github.com/xbmc/atv2 |
| [19:59:39] | Wicked: | waiting to be merged back in |
| [19:59:40] | kormoc: | Wicked, 1080p isn't being broadcasted in the world |
| [19:59:55] | Wicked: | no but blurays are iirc |
| [20:00:11] | kormoc: | bluerays are way too high bitrate to send to the device |
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| [20:00:37] | Wicked: | and you can convert 1080i to 1080p |
| [20:00:50] | wagnerrp: | you can convert some 1080i content to 1080p |
| [20:01:07] | sdkovacs: | sounds like a lot of hoops to jump through. |
| [20:01:08] | kormoc: | Wicked, you're making it sound so perfect of a device! |
| [20:01:19] | Wicked: | and you guys are trashing it. |
| [20:01:26] | Wicked: | im not saying its the best thing. |
| [20:01:29] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: yes, we are |
| [20:01:34] | Wicked: | but its a cool device and cool they got it ported to it. |
| [20:01:37] | sceo: | I'm confused about storage groups in my setup. I have two backends, a master and a secondary. I also have two laptops, which are only frontends. On the frontends, I can see the recordings and watch live TV, but there's nothing for "Watch Videos." However, both backends can see the videos no problem. How can I configure it so my frontends also see my videos? |
| [20:01:45] | wagnerrp: | because according to the specs listed on the apple website... http://www.apple.com/appletv/specs.html |
| [20:01:46] | Wicked: | *alot* of people will happily use it for movies and media |
| [20:01:47] | kormoc: | Wicked, we're saying as a mythtv frontend it's not worth it. Nothing more, nothing less |
| [20:01:49] | wagnerrp: | its pretty much garbage |
| [20:02:19] | kormoc: | Wicked, I think a lot of people will be disappointed with it like the ones I know who have used it so far |
| [20:02:26] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: according to the advertised capability, they sized it specifically to handle low bitrate content available through iTunes |
| [20:03:02] | wagnerrp: | which means the hardware is insufficient to handle any broadcast HD, retail HD media |
| [20:03:29] | Enox2: | Ok, I've been trying for a hour to get a channel scan going. Any suggestions on what might be misconfigured? |
| [20:03:35] | kormoc: | Wicked, other then the ones downloading [720P XbMC ATV RIP] |
| [20:03:40] | Enox2: | Is there some sort of howto or step-by-step to follow? |
| [20:03:49] | wagnerrp: | now if they intentionally gimped the device in software to prevent people from having access to that content |
| [20:03:55] | kormoc: | Enox2, in the wiki |
| [20:04:01] | wagnerrp: | then XBMC may very well be able to pull a lot more power out of it |
| [20:04:04] | Enox2: | I didn't really see a step-by-step in there. |
| [20:04:15] | Enox2: | I read a lot of general information, however. |
| [20:04:18] | wagnerrp: | and honestly, i wouldnt put it past apple to do so |
| [20:04:38] | toeb: | can i chanche the -v of the backend while it is running? |
| [20:04:41] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: but at least from the advertised specs, its no good for mythtv |
| [20:06:13] | sdkovacs: | they explain here how davilla got access to the Apple Hardware API |
| [20:06:16] | sdkovacs: | http://www.tuaw.com/2011/01/20/xbmc-for-ios-a . . . w-available/ |
| [20:06:23] | Wicked: | maybe for a hd setup. it would prob work fine with my SD content |
| [20:06:23] | wagnerrp: | for SD content, it should be fine |
| [20:06:23] | Wicked: | since i dont have hdtv |
| [20:06:27] | Enox2: | SEarched for "failed to find any channels" "howto" and such have failed to provide useful results on the wiki. |
| [20:06:32] | wagnerrp: | again, according to the specs, the device is incapable of handling mpeg2 in hardware |
| [20:06:40] | wagnerrp: | but the ARM chip should have enough power for decoding in software |
| [20:07:40] | Enox2: | The bias seems to suggest once it's installed it should "just work". This hasn't been anywhere near my experience. |
| [20:08:36] | wagnerrp: | sdkovacs: the only thing i see there is it plays '1080p' |
| [20:08:40] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what that means |
| [20:08:56] | wagnerrp: | thats just a resolution |
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| [20:09:16] | wagnerrp: | and to some extent, defines how much buffer memory the device needs |
| [20:09:25] | wagnerrp: | it does not say anything about the available power of the device |
| [20:09:29] | wagnerrp: | or what content it can handle |
| [20:09:42] | wagnerrp: | i can produce a 1080p h264 video that my lowly P3 laptop can play back in real time |
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| [20:10:19] | wagnerrp: | and i can produce a 1080p h264 video that will bring the beefiest 12-core server to its knees |
| [20:10:54] | sdkovacs: | looks like h.264 only... |
| [20:10:59] | sdkovacs: | http://gitorious.org/gstreamer-camerabin2/gst . . . 0a61e5c020a6 |
| [20:11:42] | wagnerrp: | sdkovacs: im saying theres an absolutely huge range of requirements that 'h264' and even '1080p' can encompass |
| [20:12:03] | wagnerrp: | unless you define a standard, such as 'bluray' or 'dvb-t2' |
| [20:12:11] | wagnerrp: | that makes no indication on the power of the device |
| [20:12:12] | sdkovacs: | wagnerrp:I understand.I'm just providing links to the API |
| [20:12:25] | Wicked: | it looks like(from the video) to be playing a x264 video @ ~3mb fine. But it was not really a high action scene. |
| [20:12:54] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: heck, the ARM on that can probably handle a 3mbps h264 video fine in software |
| [20:13:08] | Wicked: | doubtful |
| [20:13:14] | wagnerrp: | and some people think that bitrate is good enough for 720p |
| [20:13:48] | Wicked: | like i said it wasnt a high action scene. im guessing it can handle higher bitrates as well. |
| [20:14:13] | wagnerrp: | until someone posts some performance benchmarks, there is no way of knowing |
| [20:14:28] | Enox2: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc1 doesn't seem to cover what I'm experiencing. Any suggestions where to go, or just give up? |
| [20:14:32] | wagnerrp: | and the capabilities published by apple say it cant |
| [20:15:32] | wagnerrp: | that said, markk_ might want to check out this VideoToolBox API they exposed |
| [20:16:06] | Enox2: | Troubleshooting section has nothing, either. |
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| [20:16:39] | Wicked: | heh why bother if they are such an incompetent device lol |
| [20:16:55] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: thats the point were trying to make |
| [20:17:16] | Enox2: | Alright then, I'll just go delete that machine and give up on myth. Thanks. |
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| [20:17:17] | Wicked: | then why look into it? |
| [20:17:28] | wagnerrp: | no, the VideoToolBox API seems to exist on OSX 10.5 and 10.6 as well |
| [20:17:37] | wagnerrp: | 'delete that machine'? |
| [20:17:45] | wagnerrp: | he wasnt trying to run mythbackend in a VM was he? |
| [20:18:56] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: its some lower level access to the VDA interface we currently use |
| [20:19:28] | nutron: | ok the dbdump is 70 megs or so... can I still email that to you kormoc and sphery ? |
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| [20:21:23] | nutron: | alright i gtg to the office, i'll ask from there |
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| [20:31:53] | wagnerrp: | whoops, there it is |
| [20:31:53] | wagnerrp: | 'xbmc on the atv2, this changes everything!!!11!!one!' |
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| [20:45:48] | jcarlos: | Can someone tell me how can I debug a situation like this: http://pastebin.com/NxYpu6NP ? |
| [20:45:53] | stuartm: | xbmc is installed on Johannes Kepler? |
| [20:46:29] | jcarlos: | What verbosity level must I add ? |
| [20:50:46] | jcarlos: | Right now I can not see any channel TV ... |
| [20:51:09] | jcarlos: | But mythtv-backend log doesn't say why ... |
| [20:51:59] | jcarlos: | What does it mean: "LoadFromScheduler(): Error, called from backend." ? |
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| [21:29:34] | justinh: | woohoo my IR blaster works |
| [21:29:41] | justinh: | trouble is, the range/power is poo |
| [21:31:03] | justinh: | gonna need MOAR LEDs |
| [21:32:14] | Beirdo: | or ones you haven't already burned out? :) |
| [21:32:40] | justinh: | seriously considering modifying my hardware though, to just bypass the IR part & connect directly, but that presents the problem of the standard IR receivers filtering out the carrier – so any data sent can't be based on existing codes unless irsend has a nocarrier option or summink |
| [21:32:54] | wagnerrp: | man, i read that and all i could visualize was a small asian woman yelling for more wax |
| [21:33:20] | justinh: | Beirdo: you built the 'medium range' tx from lirc.org I recall |
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| [21:33:36] | Beirdo: | justinh: I think so. it was a while back |
| [21:33:57] | justinh: | Beirdo: I've gathered that the best place is way in front of the units you're controlling.. which kinda sucks if you want to conceal it any |
| [21:34:04] | wagnerrp: | anyone know if you can build a transmitter with a PL2303? |
| [21:34:28] | wagnerrp: | board doesnt have any serial ports |
| [21:34:39] | justinh: | wagnerrp: maybe, but not according to lirc.org |
| [21:34:53] | ** Beirdo cues some KLF. ** | |
| [21:34:54] | justinh: | they say it's micro, FDTI chip or bust for USB |
| [21:35:13] | justinh: | and from what I've seen of the FDTI stuff it's way young yet |
| [21:36:04] | wagnerrp: | shame... need to find a way to blast |
| [21:36:23] | Beirdo: | tis easiest to buy a mceusb ;) |
| [21:36:26] | wagnerrp: | i burned up one of my MCEUSB transmitters by plugging it into a battery to see if it would even light up |
| [21:36:39] | Beirdo: | eek |
| [21:36:52] | Beirdo: | you can buy replacement transmitters on Amazon |
| [21:36:54] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: problem is i would have to run two boxes |
| [21:37:10] | wagnerrp: | TV (and receiver) is too far away to hook the blasters into |
| [21:37:17] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [21:37:33] | wagnerrp: | and irsend doesnt work well with multiple units |
| [21:37:46] | Beirdo: | well, not without a fair amount of work, yea |
| [21:38:49] | wagnerrp: | plus i figured serial would have at least some chance of working on freebsd |
| [21:39:17] | Beirdo: | heh, it needs to use the CTS/RTS lines or something like that, not Tx/Rx |
| [21:39:34] | Beirdo: | not sure how that would be controlled for PL2303 |
| [21:40:01] | Beirdo: | is there a FIRC? |
| [21:40:26] | Beirdo: | i.e. does LIRC even run right in FreeBSD? |
| [21:40:50] | wagnerrp: | it even runs on windows |
| [21:41:03] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:41:04] | Beirdo: | K |
| [21:41:36] | justinh: | yeah & it even works with usb-serial converters in windows |
| [21:41:37] | wagnerrp: | it works, but driver support is lacking |
| [21:41:46] | justinh: | I tested mine with a cheap usb serial thing from ebay |
| [21:42:01] | justinh: | but not in linux, which I find strange |
| [21:42:41] | justinh: | wagnerrp: according to search results lirc'll work with PL2303 |
| [21:43:25] | justinh: | ah no.. not homebrew lirc hardware |
| [21:43:47] | justinh: | so yer gonna need a micro |
| [21:44:51] | Beirdo: | or beer |
| [21:45:01] | Beirdo: | beer is the solution to everything |
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| [21:45:46] | wagnerrp: | enough mini-boxes inexplicably shorting out due to beer, and they upgrade me? |
| [21:45:56] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:46:24] | Beirdo: | worth a try... yo first |
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| [21:51:14] | clever: | from what ive read, the ftdi usb serial port is capable of generating more complex waveforms |
| [21:51:22] | clever: | posibly IR ones, with the carrier made in the ftdi |
| [21:53:16] | wagnerrp: | im not looking for something difficult |
| [21:53:30] | ** Beirdo curses idiots who use HTML mail... and set only foreground color... to white ** | |
| [21:53:56] | Beirdo: | ... or only set background to white |
| [21:54:14] | ** Beirdo just curses HTML mail. BLECH ** | |
| [21:54:58] | thefRont: | huh? |
| [21:55:04] | thefRont: | mythfilldatabase just segfaulted |
| [21:55:14] | ** wagnerrp curses the white background ** | |
| [21:55:26] | thefRont: | ah, now it worked |
| [21:55:27] | thefRont: | stranger |
| [21:55:28] | thefRont: | -r |
| [21:56:26] | thefRont: | LSD – Vom Trip zur Therapie? |
| [21:56:27] | thefRont: | Tue, Jan 25, 03:40 bis 04:35 (55 Min.) |
| [21:56:40] | thefRont: | k... ma programmieren |
| [21:57:00] | Beirdo: | I'm sure that means something, but not to me |
| [21:57:49] | thefRont: | oops |
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| [21:59:04] | thefRont: | everything after the -r was not supposed to go in here ;) |
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| [22:10:10] | mardok_: | My cable company switched over to digital and installed a digital cable box. Is there a way to still get channels without going through the cable box? |
| [22:10:34] | kormoc: | Depends |
| [22:11:29] | iamlindoro: | !url nocablecard |
| [22:11:29] | MythLogBot: | nocablecard: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
| [22:11:35] | wagnerrp: | beat me to it |
| [22:11:40] | iamlindoro: | pew pew |
| [22:11:51] | wagnerrp: | stupid unreliable wireless |
| [22:12:37] | mardok_: | For what it's worth, my tuner card is an MSI TV @nywhere |
| [22:12:55] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [22:12:55] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [22:13:02] | iamlindoro: | You'll need a new tuner if you intend to record digital |
| [22:13:12] | wagnerrp: | we dont support individual tuner cards |
| [22:13:17] | wagnerrp: | check that page to see if they support it |
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| [22:14:51] | iamlindoro: | That said, since your tuner is not a digital tuner, you'll need to either record an analog output of your cable box or purchase a digital tuner-- but do read both wiki pages carefully |
| [22:15:13] | mardok_: | Okay, thanks |
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| [22:37:21] | nutron: | hola. |
| [22:37:40] | wagnerrp: | ce' esta? |
| [22:37:41] | nutron: | sphery kormoc copies of db and log total 72mb.. email still ok? |
| [22:37:56] | wagnerrp: | very few email services will handle 72mb files |
| [22:37:58] | nutron: | rather 82mb |
| [22:38:02] | wagnerrp: | shove it on some filebin somewhere |
| [22:38:16] | sphery: | nutron: would work for my mail server, but most will reject e-mails over 2MB |
| [22:38:21] | nutron: | Oooh I could just link 'em from the server.. |
| [22:38:25] | sphery: | even sending mail servers tend to |
| [22:38:34] | nutron: | I control all here :P |
| [22:38:45] | wagnerrp: | sphery: 2MB? most ive seen take up to 10MB |
| [22:38:48] | nutron: | I'll just link 'em on the server. |
| [22:38:58] | sphery: | heh, yeah, me to (for incoming, at least)... outgoing I'm limited by my ISP |
| [22:39:05] | sphery: | link is probably best |
| [22:39:53] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, Fringe's Foxing starts tonight |
| [22:40:15] | sphery: | (tonight's it airs--first time since its move to Fridays) |
| [22:40:17] | nutron: | http://lodgingcompany.com/js/db-dump.sql.lz |
| [22:40:30] | nutron: | http://lodgingcompany.com/js/mythlog.log.lz |
| [22:40:40] | sphery: | heh, I expected a link in e-mail |
| [22:40:56] | sphery: | (here works for me--just most people don't want others getting in their db data) |
| [22:40:57] | nutron: | nah MythLogBot can fondle it foreva :P |
| [22:41:07] | nutron: | don't care really :P |
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| [22:41:41] | sphery: | might want to change your Schedules Direct password (if you're an SD user... I can't remember, now) |
| [22:42:00] | nutron: | oh whoops :P |
| [22:42:04] | nutron: | forgot about that one |
| [22:42:05] | nutron: | :P |
| [22:42:07] | sphery: | easy enough to do |
| [22:42:40] | sphery: | Oooh, I missed my opportunity |
| [22:43:03] | sphery: | now that you posted it in a public chat room, I could have stolen your account and then blamed it on "some troll in the channel" |
| [22:43:19] | nutron: | haha |
| [22:43:29] | sphery: | oh, and "easy enough to do" assumes that you don't use the same password for everything else :) |
| [22:43:40] | sphery: | mkpasswd.pl ftw |
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| [22:44:02] | nutron: | Only one other place ... changed :P |
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| [22:44:43] | nutron_: | gah!... damn isp |
| [22:44:46] | nutron_: | it's my "prostitute" password. don't care if people know it since it goes clear over the 'nets. |
| [22:45:16] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [22:45:25] | ** nutron_ yawns ** | |
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| [22:46:46] | nutron_: | KraMer took my password...!! everyone after him! |
| [22:48:16] | ** iamlindoro gets into the mystery machine ** | |
| [22:48:50] | nutron_: | tukw.qwest.net tukwila ftw! |
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| [22:49:47] | nutron_: | and cable.mindspring.com \o/ |
| [22:49:53] | nutron_: | mystery machine? |
| [22:49:56] | nutron_: | I want one. |
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| [22:57:05] | nutron: | sheesh this is getting annoying... connect/disconnect/connect/disconnect/connect/disconnect almost as much as typing all that out. |
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| [23:01:12] | wagnerrp: | nutron: will you actually remain online long enough for people to download the database file? |
| [23:02:01] | sphery: | heh, it seems it's still downloading for me |
| [23:02:39] | nutron: | it's my tertiary isp |
| [23:02:44] | nutron: | they're a bunch of lame |
| [23:02:47] | sphery: | wow |
| [23:02:50] | sphery: | multiple? |
| [23:03:00] | nutron: | my bulk traffic is for t3h irc! |
| [23:03:23] | nutron: | yeah a t3, a 10mbit wireless, and a cable modem |
| [23:03:40] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [23:04:10] | nutron: | ? to which rambling? |
| [23:04:22] | wagnerrp: | why you have a T3 |
| [23:04:37] | wagnerrp: | and more importanly, if you have a T3, why do you have separate wireless and cable internet |
| [23:04:38] | nutron: | for the websites/voip/mail and all other "essential" fun |
| [23:04:56] | nutron: | the wireless is failover (bgp ftw) |
| [23:04:59] | nutron: | cable is bulk |
| [23:05:14] | nutron: | for people to access websites... chat on irc etc. |
| [23:05:34] | wagnerrp: | but... a T3 should almost never fail |
| [23:05:43] | nutron: | though the wireless is probably gonna go away within a few months... haven't had downtime in a loooong time |
| [23:06:03] | nutron: | it used to... fibre to our building was intermittent which is why the wireless was hooked up |
| [23:06:05] | clever: | nutron: how did you even get a BGP entry in the first place? |
| [23:06:21] | nutron: | we own some "stuff" |
| [23:06:41] | nutron: | and the t3 provider requires it on our end for the level of service anyway |
| [23:07:59] | nutron: | though i do think that our setup is legacy.. |
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| [23:09:12] | nutron: | wow, holy mack ... a bird just nailed the bank building next door... |
| [23:09:28] | clever: | nutron: that BGP better be filtered |
| [23:09:33] | nutron: | poor thing.. he probably saw it coming... |
| [23:09:36] | kormoc is now known as kormoc_afk | |
| [23:09:44] | nutron: | blood all over the window |
| [23:10:15] | clever: | cleanup on window 5! |
| [23:10:22] | skd5aner: | I hope it was a citibank |
| [23:10:59] | nutron: | one of my guys is laughing so hard he had to leave to the bathroom... |
| [23:11:05] | nutron: | heartless... |
| [23:11:24] | wagnerrp: | what kind of bird |
| [23:11:35] | skd5aner: | I heard, that the bird's the word |
| [23:11:46] | nutron: | smaller than a crow.. but I don't really know... there's just blood left |
| [23:12:31] | sphery: | skd5aner: now I'm picturing Peter Griffin doing his dance |
| [23:12:34] | skd5aner: | Ah Ba-Ba-Ba-Bird.... ah Ba-Bird is the word |
| [23:12:43] | nutron: | well only two downloads of the db :P |
| [23:13:28] | sphery: | nutron: yeah, but I misconfigured my share dirs on my P2P software, so now there are hundreds of people downloading it--including wikileaks |
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| [23:14:11] | sphery: | (ref to the recent story about how wikileaks may be trolling P2P networks looking for secret goverment files on system with misconfigured P2P) |
| [23:14:13] | nutron_: | awwww heck, why do I have to put up with this crap |
| [23:14:21] | skd5aner: | if wikileaks has it, then you can be sure every government on the face of the earth now has it for datamining purposes |
| [23:14:24] | nutron_: | stupid cable provider |
| [23:14:40] | sphery: | I don't get how you're joining without quitting |
| [23:14:59] | sphery: | oh, guess nutron will quit when it times out later |
| [23:15:00] | sid3windr: | quitting will likely follow :p |
| [23:15:02] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [23:15:13] | sid3windr: | why would a t3 never fail, wagnerrp ? |
| [23:15:16] | sphery: | yeah, I was missing out on that |
| [23:15:33] | skd5aner: | GO AWAY F&(#()&#$%()ing HEADACHE! |
| [23:15:40] | skd5aner: | I'm going to go lay down, this is rediculous |
| [23:15:45] | nutron_: | then irrsi changes my name back |
| [23:15:47] | sphery: | skd5aner: drink more water! |
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| [23:16:21] | nutron_: | there I go... |
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| [23:30:46] | kav0rka^: | should all usb IR remote receivers be able to wake a computer from sleep (suspend to ram) mode? |
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| [23:37:45] | nutron: | theriouthly... I think the times between disconnects has to be the same... |
| [23:38:22] | nutron: | ... it's every 20 mins... wth |
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| [23:49:13] | nutron: | I should disconnect in 4 minutes \o/ |
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| [23:52:27] | k-man: | gdb is giving me this warning: warning: core file may not match specified executable file |
| [23:52:33] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: a t3 will never fail because youre paying very large sums of money to ensure it never fails |
| [23:52:45] | nutron_: | Beirdo: lol cbc just played Helix |
| [23:53:04] | k-man: | is that warning a problem? |
| [23:53:38] | wagnerrp: | k-man: yes, it means you cannot make a valid backtrace |
| [23:53:53] | Beirdo: | nutron_: nice |
| [23:54:10] | k-man: | wagnerrp: ok, i'll try rebuilding mythtv |
| [23:54:23] | wagnerrp: | helix? |
| [23:54:37] | wagnerrp: | k-man: there is no sensible reason you should be getting that error |
| [23:54:40] | k-man: | does make install strip the binaries? |
| [23:54:48] | Beirdo: | oh trust me... T3s do fail |
| [23:54:54] | wagnerrp: | unless you crashed, and subsequently updated mythtv |
| [23:55:00] | k-man: | wagnerrp: no idea why i'm getting it |
| [23:55:07] | Beirdo: | and when they do... it causes much pain :) |
| [23:55:09] | k-man: | wagnerrp: nope |
| [23:55:21] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: sure, but when youre paying >$1000/mo so that someone calls YOU when it goes down |
| [23:55:50] | Beirdo: | Helix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_(band) |
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| [23:57:08] | Beirdo: | I think I need to rerip that LP |
| [23:57:20] | Beirdo: | I think I may have digitally screwed it up |
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