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Thursday, January 20th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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wagnerrp:

mythtv cant seem to enumerate the inputs of IVTV cards on freebsd

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nichos:

hi all, im having some sound issues on ubuntu. I broke sound when i uninstalled gnome. Good news is I can get sound working on aplay with hw 0,1. Bad news is nothing is showing up in myth

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mtrax:

hello, on starting mythfrontend I seeing some defunct process on startup

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mtrax:

how do I findout why?

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nichos:

here is my /etc/asound.conf http://pastebin.com/8ickf6XF

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wagnerrp:

mtrax: what process is listed as defunct?

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mtrax:

mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

so mythfrontend just doesnt start?

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wagnerrp:

or mythfrontend is running, in addition to the defunct processes?

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mtrax:

yes mythfrontend is running as well as frontend defunct processes

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mtrax:

I ran mythfrontend with verbose all but not sure what to look for

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wagnerrp:

can you pastebin that?

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mtrax:

the whole mythfrontend.log?

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wagnerrp:

actually, what version of mythtv are you running?

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Beirdo:

v.beer.

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wagnerrp:

defunct processes are either going to be closed instances of mythfrontend, which we cant really do anything with

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wagnerrp:

or is going to be the result of a failed opening of an external process

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wagnerrp:

if youre using trunk, we would like to see the logs made with '-v general,system,extra'

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Beirdo:

sounds like an older version to me

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wagnerrp:

if you are running 0.24.... well that code has all been rewritten and replaced

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wagnerrp:

so any logs would be irrelevant

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nichos:

Anyone have any experience with alsa? I can get it to work using aplay, but no devices are showing up in myth

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nichos:

(except for pulseaudio)

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wagnerrp:

if pulseaudio is running, you will only be able to see pulseaudio

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mtrax:

mythfrontend log: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/Aqr7qbnn

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mtrax:

running myth 0.24 fixes

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nichos:

wagnerrp, i killed/uninstalled it, myth says it's invalid, but only lists NULL now

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wagnerrp:

yeah... if this is something caused by mythtv, its not a problem anymore

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wagnerrp:

nichos: one of the reasons for the rewrite was specifically to fix such defunct issues

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nichos:

i wouldn't blame myth, i don't know why ubuntu uses pulse

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wagnerrp:

erm...

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wagnerrp:

mtrax, not nichos

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nichos:

i had it working but remove gnome and that's when this issue happened

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mtrax:

note I only noticed the defunct process after the most recent update

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nichos:

ah, makes more sense;)

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mtrax:

note restarted mythfrontend a couple of times and defunct process has gone..

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wagnerrp:

!seen decke

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MythLogBot:

decke was last seen 66 days 5 hours 10 minutes 41 seconds ago

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GrahamS:

has anyone elese noticed that the performance of the internal player under MythVideo is substandard with mkv? I have Avatar and ripped it to an MKV with really silly settings and ended up with 11.5 Gig file that plays great with VLC just not so great with the internal player. Full on 1920x1080. Also to note the Blueray plays just fine as well :\

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wagnerrp:

GrahamS: the m2ts file, and the BDMV folder, will both work just fine with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

are you trying to use VDPAU with the mkv?

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GrahamS:

Not sure...

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GrahamS:

My goal is to at the end of the day keep highish quailty blueray rips

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GrahamS:

Just palying with settings for best quality vs. size

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GrahamS:

Really new just blueray for christmas :D

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wagnerrp:

what playback profile are you using?

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wagnerrp:

IMHO, its really not worth it to spend the /days/ of CPU time needed to transcode an h264 bluray to... h264

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GrahamS:

Fair enough

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wagnerrp:

save yourself the time and hassle, buy more hard drives

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wagnerrp:

do note that CPU time is not free

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GrahamS:

I am just curious as to why VLC plays it and the internal player does not

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GrahamS:

LOL yeah but you can get a TB for cheap

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wagnerrp:

thats why i asking about the playback profile

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wagnerrp:

and specifically if you are using VDPAU

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GrahamS:

As I said no idea just ripped it put in the video directory and tried playing it both ways

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GrahamS:

However yeah it took forever to rip

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GrahamS:

how would I know if I am using VDPAU

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GrahamS:

I do have the nVidia dirvers installed

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wagnerrp:

frontend setting, playback profile

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wagnerrp:

utilities --> setup --> tv settings --> playback --> page 3

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wagnerrp:

also, could i see the x264 settings line you are using?

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GrahamS:

Standby

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mtrax:

mythfrontend[4015]: segfault at 10 ip 0586d673 sp bfd530b0 error 4 in libmythupnp-0.24.so.0.24.0[5829000+a2000]

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GrahamS:

Yes I have VDPAU High Quality

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wagnerrp:

my guess is that you are using some bad settings, incompatible with vdpau

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wagnerrp:

and vlc is not using vdpau

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GrahamS:

Where does one find x264 settings

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wagnerrp:

you can find them in plain text, a few KB into the mkv

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GrahamS:

Oh ok

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GrahamS:

options: cabac=1 ref=4 deblock=1:0:0 analyse=0x3:0x133 me=umh subme=7 psy=1 psy_rd=1.00:0.00 mixed_ref=1 me_range=16 chroma_me=1 trellis=1 8x8dct=1 cqm=0 deadzone=21,11 fast_pskip=1 chroma_qp_offset=-2 threads=12 sliced_threads=0 nr=0 decimate=0 interlaced=0 constrained_intra=0 bframes=3 b_pyramid=2 b_adapt=1 b_bias=0 direct=3 wpredb=1 wpredp=2 keyint=240 keyint_min=24 scenecut=40 intra_refresh=0 rc_lookahead=30 rc=2pass mbtree=1 bit

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GrahamS:

rate=8171 ratetol=1.0 qcomp=0.60 qpmin=10 qpmax=51 qpstep=4 cplxblur=20.0 qblur=0.5 ip_ratio=1.40 aq=1:1.00

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GrahamS:

I ripped it with my Mac

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GrahamS:

Dunno what I was doing

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wagnerrp:

threads=12... you have a dual xeon or something?

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GrahamS:

Uh nope

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wagnerrp:

the b_pyramid will cause problems with some hardware decoders, like the PS3

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wagnerrp:

but im going to bet your problem here is the ref=4

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wagnerrp:

too many reference frames, too much content to store in memory

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU chokes, and you get stuttering until the next keyframe

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GrahamS:

Ah

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wagnerrp:

also, you shouldnt bother with 2-pass

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GrahamS:

Now when it refers to threads was it trying ot use 12 threads to do the rip? That would ahve slowed the heck out of my lolely dual core mac I assume?

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wagnerrp:

multipass encoding only matters if you are shooting for an exact file size

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wagnerrp:

if you dont care about size a gig or two either way, just do single pass with a quantizer

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wagnerrp:

using 12 threads wont make it run all that much slower

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wagnerrp:

it will drop compressibility, but also not by that much

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GrahamS:

Thanks I will tinker... but you say justkeep the m2ts would be your recommendation?

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wagnerrp:

but usually that value is set based off the number of simultaneous threads your system can handle

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wagnerrp:

sensible values would be n+1, or n*1.5

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wagnerrp:

not sure what would have decided 12 threads on a dual core system

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GrahamS:

I changed alot of settings... perhpas me?

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wagnerrp:

yes, i just keep the m2ts files

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GrahamS:

Sigh my 1.5TB store is getting small

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GrahamS:

Time for some new hard drives

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i wasnt aware you /could/ rip bluray on a mac

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wagnerrp:

the only software i know of capable of bd+ is for windows

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GrahamS:

Bootcamp ;)

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wagnerrp:

ah

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wagnerrp:

anydvd or makemkv?

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GrahamS:

anydvd which is what I ahve used for my DVD collection for ages

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GrahamS:

or did I try both

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GrahamS:

I think I acutally gave both a try

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i picked a copy of that a couple years ago

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GrahamS:

I have fiddled with about 4 or five rips to get something I am happy with

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GrahamS:

I have about 300 of my DVDs ripped and stored away so now tha I have blueray I would like to do the same

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GrahamS:

I just don't have the space to keep that sort of bulk easy to get at

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wagnerrp:

2TB drives are regularly under $100

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GrahamS:

Yup

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wagnerrp:

ive seen them as low as $70 after rebate

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GrahamS:

I am down to 87GB free

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GrahamS:

Though I do keep everythign on a Mirrored drive

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GrahamS:

That would be alot of work to rebuild and re-rip all them DVDs CDs plus I keep a backup of my personal data there as well

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wagnerrp:

doing things on a non-redundant drive is a lot less painful if youre not transcoding it

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wagnerrp:

although i lost about a dozen HDDVDs a few months back

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wagnerrp:

half my WB movies are no longer readable

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GrahamS:

And find an HDDVD player now!

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GrahamS:

I need to get around to getting all my VHS tapes of home movies and what not digitized

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GrahamS:

That should be my priorty

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GrahamS:

Of course I don't on a VHS any more

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GrahamS:

Then again that seems like it is going to be a lot more manual labour then DVDs or CD ripping

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mtrax:

switching to another pc

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mtrax:

back again.

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mtrax:

mythfrontend[4015]: segfault at 10 ip 0586d673 sp bfd530b0 error 4 in libmythupnp-0.24.so.0.24.0[5829000+a2000]

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mtrax:

is the above segfualt known?

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[R]:

that just says a seg happened

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[R]:

not what it was

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mtrax:

I don't see any symptom on the frontend as it still runs but I do see a few defunct process

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wagnerrp:

christ... how large is this 'madmentest.mkv' this guy posted to the mailing list?

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wagnerrp:

i just hit 170MB

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wagnerrp:

surely any problem he wanted to exhibit in the video could have been done in under 20MB

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clever:

maybe he wants to turn the mailing list into a warez server?

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wagnerrp:

getting there, i half expect this to be a full episode at this point

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if ill find any hits on google if i type in the CRC checksum

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wagnerrp:

:)

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wagnerrp:

225

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wagnerrp:

nine reference frames at 1280x720? that seems too high

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wagnerrp:

guess not

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wagnerrp:

GrahamS: seems i was wrong, 4 reference frames is the limit for 1920x1080 and level4.1

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mtrax:

can I ask one more question about HDMI output, I got speaker-test to work using : speaker-test -D plughw:1,3 -r 44100, how do setup this in MythTV?

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jamesd2:

what table is record searches stored... i have a bad record and its causing the webserver to give 500 errors and nothing in the logs

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[R]:

record searches?

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jamesd2:

i created a record shedule and it apparently is bogus now the web server wont show recording schedules

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wagnerrp:

what is the error you get, specifically?

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jamesd2:

the browser said it gets a 500 error

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jamesd2:

no output from the page and nothing in the log

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[R]:

thats highly impossible to get a 500 error from php and there not be anyting in the error og

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jamesd2:

when i was trying to create the rule i was getting some mysql error messages in the browser.. it was generating bad sql code

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jamesd2:

http://192.168.1.100/mythweb/tv/upcoming. It may be down for maintenance or configured incorrectly.

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jamesd2:

Below is the original error message

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jamesd2:

HTTP Error 500 (Internal Server Error): An unexpected condition was encountered while the server was attempting to fulfill the request.

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clgshaft:

hey guys

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clgshaft:

how do i setup the 2250 ir to change channels on my stb? composite connection

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jamesd2:

found an error in apache2 logs...

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jamesd2:

[Wed Jan 19 20:53:31 2011] [error] [client 192.168.1.199] PHP Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 154 bytes) in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/classes/MythBackend.php on line 154, referer: http://192.168.1.100/mythweb/

[03:00:32]

wagnerrp:

so bump up your limit to 128MB

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wagnerrp:

should be set in your php.ini, where ever that may be on your system

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JEDIDIAH__:

mtrax — setup your .asoundrc so that your default sound device is 1,3 and just let mythtv use ALSA:default. there are plenty of examples for this on the web.

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wagnerrp:

clgshaft: i was not aware the IR blaster on the 2250 was yet supported by LIRC

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jamesd2:

it was allready set at 128mb so i upped to 192mb.. it fixed it, have never seen that type of issue before

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clgshaft:

i am not sure if it is supported

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clgshaft:

is the ir blaster supported for the 1600?

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akston:

I understand that the PVR-150 is obsolete for OTA since it's analog. but i should be able to use it with digital cable correct?

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wagnerrp:

if you mean analog capture off a digital cable box, yes, it will work for that

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akston:

wagnerrp: yes, i have a set top box.

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Wicked:

akston, i use a pvr-150 to capture SD off my cable box

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Wicked:

i use the svideo in

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akston:

great. i shouldn't have any issues then. thanks guys. :)

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[R]:

SD makes me want to cry

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clgshaft:

on the backend how do i setup the 2250? video source and input connection? what channel does it show up as?

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clgshaft:

for composite, sorry

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wagnerrp:

it shows up as the composite input

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clgshaft:

up

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wagnerrp:

although you should be using svideo instead

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clgshaft:

i have the analog tuners already working

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clgshaft:

i know, but dont have svideo cable

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wagnerrp:

the composite and svideo inputs do not use the tuner

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wagnerrp:

so there is no channel

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clgshaft:

ok

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wagnerrp:

they have their own separate input

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clgshaft:

in capture card setup?

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wagnerrp:

section 4 of mythtv-setup, whatever the name

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clgshaft:

yes, that is where i am. 4. input connections

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clgshaft:

si i dont need a video source? scan channels is blacked out

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wagnerrp:

correct, there is no way to scan from an analog video input

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clgshaft:

so in input connections i really dont set anything up

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clgshaft:

i shold just see the connection on the frontend?

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wagnerrp:

no, backend

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clgshaft:

in the guide

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clgshaft:

from what you are saying there is basically nothing to setup on the backend if I dont have a video source

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wagnerrp:

you cant record if you dont have a video source

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wagnerrp:

you must have a video source, with channels, bound to an input on a defined tuner card

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clgshaft:

ok setup a video source for the satellite tv?

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wagnerrp:

in north america?

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clgshaft:

yes

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clgshaft:

i want to watch the/record through svideo

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wagnerrp:

then pull a channel lineup from your schedules direct account

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clgshaft:

done

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clgshaft:

irrrecoverable recorder error when trying to watch composite

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[R]:

"They don't give kids to people who have no home." "Is that a law?"

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[R]:

haha

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jamesd2:

they give kids to people that have sex.

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[R]:

it was a comment about child protective services

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Hilikus:

i'm tyring to watch episodes on thecomedynetwork.ca using mythbrowser. the webpage renders, i can heard the sound but there's no picture. i have flashplugin-installer installed

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Hilikus:

trying*

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Hilikus:

any ideas?

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Hilikus:

i don't see any video borders or anything. i just see the background. but clicking where the video would be does stop and resume playback

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nutron:

am I here?

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** wagnerrp wonders if nutron is having an existential crisis **

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** nutron plays the violin **

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** nutron cuts his ear off **

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Hilikus:

youtube works fine

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Hilikus:

anyone?

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[R]:

wow

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[R]:

i added a recording schedule the exact moment it started

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[R]:

and i was watching livetv

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** Beirdo frowns at the stupid computer **

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Beirdo:

H.264 recordings are showing up a 1/3 the real length recently, it seems

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cal_:

updated from .22 to .24 copied over my old lirc configs, lirc is not working, immediately says 'removed client' after 'accepted client...' but no other errors..?

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clgshaft:

if using the analog tuner, and composite input on the HVR 2250. do i need to set input priorities?

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wagnerrp:

no

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clgshaft:

ok, i cannot get it to work

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clgshaft:

i created a satellite source, and added composite 1 with that source, no channels to scan, and i get an irrecoverable error

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** Captain_Murdoch unleashes a group of user-submitted themes via the theme chooser/downloader. **

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wagnerrp:

all five of em?

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Captain_Murdoch:

:) didn't say bunch, said group. :) there are actually about 8 I think.

[05:16:51]

Captain_Murdoch:

A-Forest, bando-blue, blootube-ng, updated blue-abstract-wide, Retro-wide, TintedGlass, TransBlue, and updated Willi

[05:17:17]

Captain_Murdoch:

hopefully that will help spur on some other artistic people.

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Beirdo:

cool

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Captain_Murdoch:

6 of those are in 0.24 area,

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Captain_Murdoch:

and actually, that also makes Arclight and Graphite available on the theme downloader for master.

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wagnerrp:

how do zombies have such sharp teeth?

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wagnerrp:

i mean seriously, you try to bite into something, its going to be difficult

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wagnerrp:

but zombies, its no effort at all

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kormoc:

they chew on cement until they're sharp

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wagnerrp:

but not so far that they wear down and theyve got no option left but to gum you?

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wagnerrp:

a woman in green bay wisconsin opened her christmas present from her kids, a vacuum cleaner, finds four pounds of cocaine and crystal meth inside

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wagnerrp:

whoops

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

wrong vacuum.

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kormoc:

Beirdo, facebook link in my feed for a $20 amazon.com gift card for $10 FYI

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Beirdo:

oooh?

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wagnerrp:

oh, that reminds me

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wagnerrp:

$100 gift card for google adwords, non-transferable

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wagnerrp:

anyone want it transferred to them?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

didn't you just say "non-transferable"?

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wagnerrp:

i wont say it if you dont

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

there ya go, kormoc. used yer link :)

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Beirdo:

maybe you'll even get it cheaper :)

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kormoc:

Heh, you're number #3 so it's free for me :)

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Beirdo:

nice :)

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Beirdo:

maybe some people will use my link and mine will be free too

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Beirdo:

amazon gift card at half-price is always good for me :)

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kormoc:

Yeah, it's a cool idea to make it spread

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kormoc:

could shamelessly link it in here

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I'm not that bad :)

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Beirdo:

it's on my facebook and twitter (which I rarely use)

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wagnerrp:

would an axe that has been pounding away on a reinforced steel door take still a head off that easily?

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Beirdo:

depends... coulda been sharpening it :)

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wagnerrp:

i heard the theme from Sunshine in there, such a shame how that movie ended

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nutron:

so quiet in here lately... did we finally beat the internets?

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** nutron dodges the tumbleweeds **

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nutron:

ok ok not that bad, I just miss the "How do you get mythv to play [-=xXx=-].Your.favorite.movie.title.goes.here – [xx0xx].avi" stuff...

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nutron:

is there really no one that needs to be berated? (/me wonders if it's obvious that he's uber tired of routing tables?)

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wagnerrp:

oh, thats over on the mailing list... http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2011 . . . /308106.html

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nutron:

Hah! I knew it.

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nutron:

I hope the files he linked weren't warez :/

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wagnerrp:

my bet they are

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nutron:

or is that what they're called these days...

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** nutron hates optic media **

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wagnerrp:

225MB of 720p h264 and DTS mad men

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nutron:

I wonder if I could ship off my dvd's to some poor soul to import them for me..

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wagnerrp:

can pick up one of those sony dvd changers

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nutron:

hah yeah, but they're disco'd aren't they?

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wagnerrp:

disco'd?

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nutron:

discontinued

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wagnerrp:

probably, but theyre still available... for a price

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

mine's mostly behaving

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nutron:

you have one of those?

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Beirdo:

I think it needs some mechanical adjustments for realignment of the carousel

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Beirdo:

yeah, I bought it off ebay as-is

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nutron:

stole it?

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nutron:

(ie. cheap?)

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

$70 + shipping

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nutron:

sheesh

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nutron:

I guess I could make a week of it.. or try to convince my son it's a "fun thing to do"

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nutron:

to import all those dvd's

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Beirdo:

I'm busily ripping CDs using it right now

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nutron:

I did my cd collection a while back... never again

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nutron:

although after that I found out canadian law stipulates that it's illegal to backup your music cd's

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nutron:

wth

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nutron:

I like to pretend I'm American anyway.

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Beirdo:

since when?

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wagnerrp:

but... youre paying a copyright fee on your recordable media under the assumption youre going to 'backup' your music cds

[07:02:37]

nutron:

Yep. I know.

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kormoc:

Go go Harper

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nutron:

\o/

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I don't think that ever came in after all the rumbling

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nutron:

it did

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nutron:

All recordable media has a tax

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nutron:

we also pay environmental fees on almost everything now ... though I don't know if that's just BC

[07:03:40]

nutron:

but that's unrelated, and I'm bitter =)

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kormoc:

C-60, C-61 and C-62 all didn't pass

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nutron:

:o you seem more informed .. I was told I was paying a premium

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kormoc:

nutron, you're wrong, http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/C-42/page-5.htm . . . VIII-gb:s_80

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sphery:

kormoc: thanks for mentioning the Living Social/Amazon deal...

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sphery:

I have to say, though, that they really need to learn about things we call US State names

[07:08:48]

kormoc:

yeah...

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sphery:

asked which city I'm closest to, and I noticed none have state names, but I was very surprised to see Melbourne

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nutron:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy#Canada

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sphery:

turns out theirs is only 10,000 miles from mine, though

[07:09:59]

sphery:

took some hacking to get it back to the right continent

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kormoc:

nutron, from your link, "In conjunction with the levy, the Copyright Act allows individuals to make copies of sound recordings for their own private, non-commercial use. They may not distribute the copy."

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nutron:

kormoc: aye, lemme find the contradictory statement.. uno momento porfavor

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kormoc:

C-61 has some anti-p2p stuff, but it didn't pass

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nutron:

kormoc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement#Canadian_Law

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nutron:

I stand corrected. Seems like I can share music all I like.

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kormoc:

As it stands now *until C-62 passes

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nutron:

I wonder why the CBC sent me astray

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kormoc:

FUD works wonders

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nutron:

meh our pm's a bum kisser but hey that's politics and it doesn't belong in here

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sphery:

It must be true--after all, the teenage lawyers at wikipedia say so

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sphery:

:)

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nutron:

heh well I can't find any other info

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sphery:

yeah, that's pretty much the way The Man wants it

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nutron:

why does gog sell games released in 2006? ... I don't get it. That's not old

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jcarlos:

Does exist any equivalent of mythtv-setup for console, no GUI ?

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wagnerrp:

no

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sphery:

but you can use ssh -Y or VNC to use the GUI from a different computer

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jcarlos:

sphery: Or ssh -X ... :-)

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wagnerrp:

or xhost

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wagnerrp:

or some messing with your Xauthority file

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sphery:

-Y is like -X, but allows you to actually use your clipboard/copy/paste, etc

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jcarlos:

But my network connection is slow right now ... and I would like to do a change un my backend ...

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sphery:

you mean xauth

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sphery:

since you don't need to write the file yourself

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wagnerrp:

we tinker with everything else, why not the xauthority file

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sphery:

heh

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jcarlos:

I need to add a directory to my "Default" storage group ... and I would like to do it via ssh ...

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jcarlos:

Could I change the database directly ?

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wagnerrp:

no

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jcarlos:

OK

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nutron:

jcarlos: you were told how to do it via ssh... even on a slow connection.. it'll end up working

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sphery:

the vast majority of reported issues with storage groups are due to people editing the DB directly

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sphery:

and inserting data that doesn't meet the application requirements

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jcarlos:

sphery: The problem is I defined a directory for LiveTV SG ... and I thouht recordings are saved to this directory ... but I see that's not true ... :-(

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jcarlos:

nutron: Yes I know ... I have used it several times ...

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sphery:

nutron: ok, why does gog have Police Quest and not have LSL

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wagnerrp:

jcarlos: any livetv session will be automatically saved to that directory

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wagnerrp:

recordings will not

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sphery:

jcarlos: Live TV recordings should be written to the directories in the Live TV SG

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sphery:

I'm too slow, yet again.

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jcarlos:

wagnerrp: Yes ... tha is what I see in the mythtv-backend logs ... but I didn't know it ...

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sphery:

nutron: and King's Quest

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kormoc:

Kings Quest 6, Heir today, gone tomorrow++

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nutron:

yeah right leisure suit larry is missing.. meh

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nutron:

love the concept.. even took part in the humble indie bundle

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kormoc:

gog?

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nutron:

oh no, just a game bundle with indie developers... pay what you want and assign it to who you want.. and they all work were ported to linux

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nutron:

humblebundle.com

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kormoc:

ahh, yeah

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Beirdo:

so... ripping CDs and an LP in parallel

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Beirdo:

Van Halen – Diver Down (on LP)

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Beirdo:

Well, this LP is definitely stereo :)

[08:02:32]

Beirdo:

bass on right channel, guitar on left

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Beirdo:

I need some good headphones for home

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Beirdo:

iPod earbuds just aren't cutting it for monitor headphones :)

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justinh1:

I always need to use in-ear phones – the ones that go right in there. Ordinary ones just sort of sit there & hurt my ears

[08:33:03]

justinh1:

I miss my Sennheiser HD-414 set though. Sorely. They were lovely

[08:42:05]

justinh1:

gah. sucks that you can't just use a USB-serial adapter for homebrew lirc transceivers

[08:44:07]

justinh1:

what was the thing to search for cheap MCE kits on ebay? they have to be RC6 or something don't they?

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Beirdo:

wow, this thing needs to be slapped

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Beirdo:

rip a bad CD, it goes into error "oh crap I'm dead" mode...

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Beirdo:

then Linux offlines it

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Beirdo:

powercycle it... it won't even eject the CD

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justinh1:

ouch

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Beirdo:

it did this last night too

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justinh1:

I remember ripping CDs all too well about a year ago. I had 4 machines on the go at one point

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I'm using a DVD changer

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justinh1:

I figured ;-)

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Beirdo:

works nicely until it decides it deosn't wanna

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justinh1:

hmph. some of these MCE kits don't appear to be able to IR blast

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Beirdo:

gjhurlbu@ripper:/opt/rip$ mtx altres unload

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Beirdo:

Unloading drive 0 into Storage Element 26...

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Beirdo:

sits there....

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Beirdo:

also ripping LPs via a USB preamp :)

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Beirdo:

and that's where the headphones are needed

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Beirdo:

I miss my Senns too

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Beirdo:

455s in my case

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Beirdo:

they lasted 10 years before they finally died

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justinh1:

heheheh. I did a load of 12" singles via a pro mixer with RIAA preamps, using a Sony MD separate unit as the ADC

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

my pro-mixer is north of Toronto (Mackie 12-channel)

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justinh1:

yeah the cable on my 414s died & I tried to fix it – not knowing I could've bought a new cable very simply. Ended up wrecking one side

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Beirdo:

so the little preamp box is doing well

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justinh1:

:)

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Beirdo:

shows up as a USB audio device

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justinh1:

I've got a few USB audio thingies. None of them are what I'd call hi-fi

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Beirdo:

uses Burr Brown ADC

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justinh1:

so do mine

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justinh1:

but the problem is usually the PSU decoupling is next to non-existant

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Beirdo:

so far so good for this box

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Beirdo:

yeah, I think they did it reasonably in this one

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Beirdo:

but that's a common issue

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justinh1:

no matter what I use, plug my laptop into my hifi even via a USB sound device & I still get nasties

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Beirdo:

ground loops

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justinh1:

I hacked one of the sound thingies though – it was originally 5.1 with stereo line in, but I hacked it up to get me 4 stereo outs :D

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Beirdo:

use optical :)

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justinh1:

duh!

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Beirdo:

come on, you braindead changer

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justinh1:

Beirdo: I honestly never thought of trying optical. lol

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Beirdo:

opto-isolation :)

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justinh1:

hell, I even have a longish optical cable somewhere

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justinh1:

actually even coax wouldn't necessarily suffer the same way

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justinh1:

as long as the nasties are an order of magnitude smaller than the data signal

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Beirdo:

I was considering it, but decided to use USB for now, and it has the ground wire from the turntable to the preamp too

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justinh1:

anyway I know it's a ground loop problem, but plugged into the same outlet block...

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Beirdo:

yeah ;(

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justinh1:

prolly more like my laptop PSU is shoving all kinds of crud onto the GND

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Beirdo:

crap, I was supposed to go pick up a new cartridge & stylus today

[08:56:02]

justinh1:

I've been meaning to try cutting the mains plug off the laptop PSU & putting my own on – sans the Earth pin ;-)

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justinh1:

so back to searching for an MCE remote with IR blaster.. I'm sure the wiki page used to say what to look for

[08:58:09]

Beirdo:

finally!

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Beirdo:

had to tell it to load disk 1

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Beirdo:

and it unwedged

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justinh1:

there's a downside to going USB though. I'll have to reprogram the OFA-6 remote my wife uses

[09:00:11]

Beirdo:

OK, let's cut this LP into tracks now

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justinh1:

maybe I'll just modify my serial based blaster to be a receiver & just plug it in as a replacement for the current one

[09:02:32]

justinh1:

but then what if my next frontend doesn't have serial?

[09:03:12]

justinh1:

bah. cross that bridge when I come to it

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justinh1:

heh. found the box of IR receivers with long cables & 3.5mm stereo jack plugs. Seems to be quite empty compared to the last time I saw it

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AndyCap:

justinh1: then maybe your next frontend has a built in ir receiver or you decide to go RF. :P

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Beirdo:

heh.

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Beirdo:

about 9G of flac already

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Beirdo:

I hope picard works right with flac :)

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rooaus:

Beirdo: I use picard on macosx for flac, it works well.

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Beirdo:

good :)

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Beirdo:

fricking changer, unwedge yerself

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Beirdo:

this is what I get for buying "as is"

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Beirdo:

hehe

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hashbang:

morning all

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Beirdo:

there. Unborked the silly drive. Time for bed

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hashbang:

Beirdo: ouch. sounds painful.

[10:12:42]

Beirdo:

the joys of buying "not sure if it's working" gear.

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hashbang:

I only buy stuff like that if it's £1 or so. :-)

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justinh1:

AndyCap: RF over my dead body. RF sucks

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justinh1:

if I wanted loads of separate remotes for my stuff

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justinh1:

and my next frontend will not have builtin RF. I've seen all those cases. THEY SUCK

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justinh1:

er.. built-in IR I mean

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justinh1:

if I wanted a frontend the size of a small car I'd already have one ;)

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justinh1:

and all 'HTPC' cases are fugly one way or another

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justinh1:

my next frontend is prolly gonna be either a mac mini or a concocted extension of a machine in a cupboard under the stairs

[10:41:45]

justinh1:

more likely the latter, the stupid way even 2nd hand apple stuff holds its value

[10:42:48]

justinh1:

seen as HDMI cables can be as long as I need without stupid repeaters & stuff there shouldn't be any reason not to update the backend to be the frontend as well :)

[10:43:31]

justinh1:

anyhoo.. I now have a fully functioning home-brewed lirc transceiver. Woot

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justinh1:

range isn't as good as I'd hoped though. we've got some lenses for the LEDs somewhere

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** AndyCap likes RF **

[10:52:58]

** sid3windr likes RF too **

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hashbang:

justinh1: I compromised on the aesthetics and used a black Antec NSK 6582 for my upgrade. Ugly, but expandable and nice to work on.

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jcarlos:

sphery: I think my probem could be this: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/avertv-volar-hd-sto . . . -time-13310/

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jcarlos:

sphery: But I don't need to power off the computer nor remove the USB TDT card ... I only stop mythtv-backend, run "tzap -o > /dev/null 'chanelName'", start mythtv-backend again, and everything works again ... till next failure some hours later ...

[11:35:57]

jcarlos:

It seems "tzap ..." reinitialize the card somehow ... and mythtv-backend is able to tune and record again ...

[11:38:35]

hashbang:

jcarlos: I think I see similar things with my Hauppauge Nova-T-500 (two USB tuners on a PCI card with a VIA USB/PCI bridge)

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hashbang:

Try adding:

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hashbang:

for i in `find /sys -name 'level' | grep usb`; do echo "on" >$i; done

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hashbang:

to /etc/rc.d/rc.local

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hashbang:

and:

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hashbang:

options dvb_usb disable_rc_polling=1

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hashbang:

to /etc/modprobe.d/jcarlos-dvb-usb-disable-ir

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jcarlos:

hashbang: Thanks !! I will try !!

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hashbang:

er, /etc/modprobe.d/jcarlos-dvb-usb-disable-ir.conf

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hashbang:

also increase timeouts in mythtv-setup

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jcarlos:

hashbang: I have increased to 5000 ms for avoiding the "locked channel" message ...

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jcarlos:

hashbang: By the way:

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hashbang:

jcarlos: signal_timeout=3000, channel_timeout=4000, dvb_tuning_delay=400ms

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jcarlos:

hashbang: for i in `find /sys -name 'level' | grep usb`; do cat $i; done

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jcarlos:

auto auto on on

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jcarlos:

Do you want "on on on on" ?

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hashbang:

I'm still debugging the issue here; I had it working perfectly on an old machine running Fedora 8 and MythTV 0.21, but having problems here with F14/0.24

[11:45:01]

hashbang:

jcarlos: that's the idea. Forcing usb devices to be on all the time, and never powered down.

[11:47:08]

justinh1:

I hope that by the time I need to update my telly silver is back in – or something other than shiny black awfulness

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jcarlos:

hashbang: What's the intention with disabling IR polling ?

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hashbang:

jcarlos: that might just be a Nova-T-500 thing

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hashbang:

jcarlos: it's been implicated in some troubles

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hashbang:

jcarlos: I'm not using it on that card, so I can live with it disabled. YMMV.

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justinh1:

the IR is polled? eew

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jcarlos:

hashbang: My card is an AverTV Volar Black HD ... no remote ... but I don't know if it has an IR receiver ... maybe it has one

[11:52:42]

jcarlos:

hashbang: By the way, is it possible to set a param for a kernel module at runtime ? I don't think so, but I ask ... :-)

[11:52:49]

hashbang:

//www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg13845.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger. . . . sg13845.html

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hashbang:

jcarlos: runtime of what? The parameters are used when the module is loaded.

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hashbang:

they're options for when the driver initialises after loading, rather than per-application use parameters applied when they're opened, if that makes sense.

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jcarlos:

hashbang: Yes ... I know but I wanted to set it with the module running ...

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jcarlos:

hashbang: In other words, it is needed to unload and load the module, isn't it ?

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justinh1:

hrm seems IR illuminator LEDs aren't much cop for use as IR blasters

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jcarlos:

By the way, looking at my backend logs I see this: http://pastebin.com/29kNppjA

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jcarlos:

Is that a bug ?

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hashbang:

jcarlos: probably some wonky program guide information

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justinh1:

grrr. I am going to kill that designer

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justinh1:

I might have to go to a customer site to modify 200+ DVR machines because a signal line which generally is a bit noisy comes in via an inductor (0402 size) THEN has a transient absorber across it. big spike comes in, transorb goes low impedance as it should, and the inductor goes PFFT

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justinh1:

I wouldn't care but the more sane modification is to hack a 1k resistor into the wiring loom – and doesn't involve dismantling 200+ units with 40+ self tapping screws holding them together – nor removing the protection device. Man alive

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justinh1:

but no, manager is saying we've got to mod the boards & remove the transient absorber. That's utterly stupid

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jcarlos:

Every time I start mythtv-backend I see the following line in the log file: http://pastebin.com/9B11u0kY

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jcarlos:

Does anyone know how to get rid of it ?

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jcarlos:

Which is the failed channel ?

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jcarlos:

903 ?

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jcarlos:

I can not see any 903 channel in "Channel Editor" ...

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justinh1:

so you only see ONE line when you start the backend? :-O

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jcarlos:

justinh1: No, no ... all working ok ... but I see always this line

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jcarlos:

among others ... :-)

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justinh1:

how do you know there's nothing else relevant before or after it?

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justinh1:

I mean how do you, who's been using mythtv for about 5 minutes – know what's important information & what isn't? ;-)

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hashbang:

use mythconverg; select cardid,startchan from cardinput;

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jcarlos:

justinh1: http://pastebin.com/Nb2KVdad

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justinh1:

it's probably that you've somehow set it to start on channel 903

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justinh1:

and there is no channel 903

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justinh1:

which you've verified, but didn't join the dots :P

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jcarlos:

justinh1: OK, I understand ... hehe

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justinh1:

oh man, this mortgage company is getting the better of my patience now

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justinh1:

they sent me another letter asking for the docs I've already sent them twice

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jcarlos:

justinh1: hashbang: It is the second virtual tuner (http://pastebin.com/YigLG0xf)

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justinh1:

so I ring up to complain and guess what – they say they have the docs they said they didn't receive. BUT.. there's something else – something they could have told me six weeks ago but it skipped their mind

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jcarlos:

903 was the original channel set to start, but I changed it ...

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jcarlos:

The second tuner didn't update ...

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jcarlos:

Can I "securely" update that info in the database with an SQL UPDATE sentence ?

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justinh1:

jees. I'm supposed to trust these buggers with tens of thousands of pounds.. and the deeds to my house.

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hashbang:

justinh1: hopeless, innit?

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hashbang:

jcarlos: I have done, with no ill effects. In fact, the script I have attached to my remote power button does that for all cards, in case I've selected a channel which no longer exists.

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justinh1:

hashbang: tempted to copy my letter of complaint a few thousand times & send the lot. I'd want to see them all arrive of course

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st1nga:

Well I did a complete scan and what a mess it made of everything

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cal_:

anyone give me a hand with lirc? had it working with mythtv .22 but will not work in .24 .. using it for transmitting channels to scientific atlanta cable box.

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JEDIDIAH__:

mortgage companies don't want to lend to good risks anymore. Their obvious response to getting burned writting a bunch of garbage loans.

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justinh1:

JEDIDIAH__: it's not about being a risk or any BS like that – it's about providing information they ask for in a timely manner and they – and companies acting on their behalf – are being grossly incompetent

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JEDIDIAH__:

no. It's really about them not being terribly interested.

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JEDIDIAH__:

been there. done that.

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JEDIDIAH__:

...that's a rant for a whole other channel.

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justinh1:

heh

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justinh1:

apparently they were less bad before they outsourced everything

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JEDIDIAH__:

outsourcing always drives down quality.

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JEDIDIAH__:

the outsources work for the outsourcing company, not the client.

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justinh1:

I have the financial ombudsman on my side :)

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justinh1:

let them eat a bill for my time & inconvenience

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justinh1:

I started the ball rolling back in october

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justinh1:

my last re-mortgage completed in a little over 2 weeks

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st1nga:

all the freq. were wrong, well nearly all, much sql hammering later, it look like things might be working again.

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wagnerrp:

how would a scan get the frequency wrong?

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jcarlos:

How often is the program guide updated when no using a xml grabber (I'm grabbing EIT from the channels) ?

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wagnerrp:

every five minutes

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jcarlos:

OK

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wagnerrp:

after five minutes, it starts scanning through the channels for data (if set to do so)

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wagnerrp:

if not, it pulls guide data from livetv and recordings

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jcarlos:

wagnerrp: Can that time be configured ?

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jcarlos:

Why so often ?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

why not, the tuner is idle

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wagnerrp:

many tuner cards dont support a 'low power idle', those that do generally dont have support in the linux drivers

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wagnerrp:

so its not like youre using more power on the tuner

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wagnerrp:

and the scanning doesnt take a significant amount of CPU

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jcarlos:

I understand

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tmkt:

wagnerrp: A reinstall fixed my hdhomerun woes.. it fabulous now

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nutron_lap:

so... after upping my mysql variables, it feels more responsive... (via mythweb etc) but the shows still get cut by two minutes.

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wagnerrp:

trim your recording rules?

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nutron_lap:

The reschedule interrupted is still happening and it still takes 3+ minutes to reschedule

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nutron_lap:

hrrm ... meh?

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nutron_lap:

I mean, I could

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wagnerrp:

last i saw, you had just shy of 5000 matches you had to place

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wagnerrp:

are you recording every nighttime news or something?

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nutron_lap:

but I'd still probably h[]

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nutron_lap:

ah

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nutron_lap:

grr j9oikm

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wagnerrp:

uh huh....

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nutron_lap:

heh s m,jn.~`?????//g vb.i.bi..i.i.i.ii ccccc *iikkkllllllllllbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb bb

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nutron_lap:

sorry

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nutron_lap:

my 18month old was taking typing lessons

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nutron_lap:

right yeah, i can drop a couple, though the intent was simple... the recordings would slow down after the db had some "these are repeats" moments.

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nutron_lap:

And heh yeah, I was recording abc news.. but the rest are pretty valid.

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nutron_lap:

5000+ _is_ crazy

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wagnerrp:

but still, i thought placement should scale fairly linearly

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wagnerrp:

ive got 422 items to place across 11 inputs, and its 5.86 seconds

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wagnerrp:

what processor? what disk is your database on? might you be doing other disk ops at the same time?

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nutron_lap:

nope dedicated backend...

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nutron_lap:

sec brb in 4 min

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nutron_lap:

sorry gotta put the kid down for a nap.. but to quickly answer...

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nutron_lap:

dual opteron 165 (1800 mhz native), ddr ram at 4gb, 3 tuner cards... 14 hard drives... primary / is a raid 1 configuration with two drives... it feels fast...

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nutron_lap:

Could be my distro or any other supporting libs... but I can't see how I'd pinpoint it.

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wagnerrp:

wow, that sounds awfully familiar

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nutron_lap:

wagnerrp: you read the mail list post :)

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

my backend is an opteron 165, 2GB DDR, 3 tuner cards, 13 hard drives, primary being a RAID1

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nutron_lap:

oh lol, nice

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nutron_lap:

want me to send you a couple sticks of 1 gb ddr to match?

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wagnerrp:

nah, i need to just replace the thing

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wagnerrp:

4GB isnt enough to meet my needs

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nutron_lap:

So do you experience lag like I do at all?

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wagnerrp:

yes, but for entirely different reasons

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wagnerrp:

my recording lag is caused by the HTTP pool issues

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nutron_lap:

oh yes I remember

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nutron_lap:

I wonder...

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nutron_lap:

hmm ok like i said be back in 4 mins

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nutron_lap:

could it be because I created a manual rule? (all recordings of category movie, released after 1970 with at least 4 stars (2/5 scale)? I mean it was just meant to fill "empty" times with a priority of -1. I should check the query itself. an examine would probably suffice

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nutron_lap:

ok brb for real

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cal_:

any news when schedules direct will be back up?

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wagnerrp:

is schedules direct down? or is TMS down?

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cal_:

sd website is down now too

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sid3windr:

A programming error (2) has been encountered.

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sid3windr:

boo, programming errors :>

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** wagnerrp prods kormoc **

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nutron_lap:

heh

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nutron_lap:

anyway, where can i find the sql query to see how long it takes against my db?

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nutron_lap:

scheduler.cpp?

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** nutron_lap wanders off to the land of github **

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, pined upstream

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kormoc:

nutron_lap, wait a sec. it's complex...

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nutron_lap:

ok

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nutron_lap:

can i explain the query? or is it pieced together in the code?

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kormoc:

nutron_lap, http://www.kormoc.com/stuff/Scheduler_Profile2.sql

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kormoc:

nutron_lap, I already did the hard part for ya ;)

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nutron_lap:

yoinked

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nutron_lap:

running

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kormoc:

cal_, site is fixed

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nutron_lap:

you seriously want _all_ the output? :)

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kormoc:

to a pastebin, yes

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cal_:

kormoc: thx! cant believe i was the first to notice

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nutron_lap:

http://pastebin.com/XZCELPaU

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nutron_lap:

kormoc: hope i didn't paste two in there... "emulate 3 buttons" is crap heh

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kormoc:

nutron_lap, aye, that's looking decently acceptable. you only have the one power search?

[18:14:27]

nutron_lap:

yep

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nutron_lap:

so it's probably not my db then?

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kormoc:

what's the exact power search?

[18:16:16]

kormoc:

I really need to add the power searches to that profile

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nutron_lap:

which table holds it?

[18:16:49]

nutron_lap:

I can copy/paste it for you..

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kormoc:

I don't know offhand

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nutron_lap:

but from memory it's "everything that has category movie, released after 1970, and has >= 4 stars"

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nutron_lap:

I'll go look for it.. sec

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nutron_lap:

program.category_type = 'movie' AND program.stars >= 0.50 AND program.airdate >= 1970

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wagnerrp:

oh yeah, thats a biggie

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nutron_lap:

hmm I don't remember doing the .50 stars thing, that translates to 2.5/5 stars right?

[18:20:10]

wagnerrp:

every movie better than half a star?

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nutron_lap:

whoops isn't it out of 1?

[18:21:00]

nutron_lap:

Hmm took it from the example given in the frontend though I blame myself first :P

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kormoc:

Yeah, it's out of 1

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nutron_lap:

Ok, so where to from here boss?

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** nutron_lap mumbles "De plane... De Plane" **

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kormoc:

nutron_lap, SELECT 1 FROM program WHERE program.category_type = 'movie' AND program.stars >= 0.50 AND program.airdate >= 1970;

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kormoc:

for me, 6617 rows in set (1.33 sec)

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nutron_lap:

1709 rows in set (0.71 sec)

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kormoc:

so that's not horrible...

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kormoc:

hrm.

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nutron_lap:

seems like you have better channels

[18:25:09]

nutron_lap:

:)

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kormoc:

DirectTV with Stars and Showtime

[18:26:07]

nutron_lap:

I want showtime, but being Canadian, I can only dream...

[18:27:44]

kormoc:

I honestly don't know why your reported times are so different then my profile...

[18:27:48]

nutron_lap:

Well let's see, on average the reschedule takes around 170 or so seconds. So 3 mins. During that time I get reschedule interrupted which is what I and sphery assumed is the problem. Why every single recording starts late.

[18:28:14]

nutron_lap:

kormoc: oh... you mean log vs the sql profile?

[18:28:27]

kormoc:

yeah

[18:29:18]

nutron_lap:

I'm willing to blow away what I've got, but in the hopes of possibly finding a bug, should I trace anything else?

[18:29:31]

nutron_lap:

ie.. I'm going to drop the db... reinstall myth and start again

[18:29:43]

kormoc:

I got nothing at the moment

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sphery:

nutron_lap: definitely do a backup before you drop the db

[18:29:59]

kormoc:

that said, if you don't mind, I wouldn't mind getting a copy of your current db

[18:30:05]

sphery:

you can do a partial restore to get the data back

[18:30:14]

nutron_lap:

kormoc: k I'll dump you a copy.

[18:30:21]

sphery:

nutron_lap: also, you could run with: -v important,general,schedule

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sphery:

to get more info

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sphery:

it would at least tell us where in in FillRecordList() we're bailing

[18:30:50]

sphery:

which may be important info

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nutron_lap:

sphery: ok I'll run with that for a day and send the log tomorrow

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sphery:

actually, I don't think it will tell us where... but still might be useful

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nutron_lap:

I'll also backup the db for anyone who wants it, but I've been banging my head against a wall for almost a month and those perl bindings aren't writing themselves :P

[18:32:13]

sphery:

seems it happens when there's a reclist_changed during a reschedule

[18:32:54]

sphery:

~that happens with an AddRecording(), so it's just that a recording started when it was in that 3-min reschedule

[18:32:55]

nutron_lap:

hmm the recording list changes every time ... a recording starts heh

[18:33:01]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

so the interruption may not be important

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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kormoc:

it changes?

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sphery:

just never happens for me since my rescheds take ~3s

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sphery:

recording list changes when a new recording is started, yes :)

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kormoc:

huh

[18:34:01]

kormoc:

never noticed :)

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sphery:

because it gets a new recording on the list

[18:34:25]

kormoc:

ahh

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sphery:

yeah, I never looked into how that was working--just seemed weird since I never see it

[18:34:36]

sphery:

3s scheduler runs ftw!

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sphery:

(and that's with 0.23-fixes--before kormoc's optimization changes)

[18:35:04]

sphery:

I could hit 2.5s or less with 0.24-fixes...

[18:35:10]

nutron_lap:

hah.. y'know this backend records everything for everyone... maybe I should evict some people from my family and then I wouldn't have this problem.

[18:35:30]

sphery:

I'm thinking it's something different

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sphery:

I wouldn't mind getting a copy of the DB backup, too

[18:35:46]

nutron_lap:

sphery: np.

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nutron_lap:

i'll bzip2 it, I'm assuming it's huge

[18:36:04]

sphery:

promise I won't make fun of you for recording Jerry Springer

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nutron_lap:

lol!

[18:36:20]

nutron_lap:

I'm most embarrased about 90210

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nutron_lap:

:s

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sphery:

heh, I understand that

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nutron_lap:

ok prior to the dump I'm going to go increase the verbosity

[18:36:56]

nutron_lap:

let it run for a day

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sphery:

I deleted all of 90210 (and Gossip Girl) without watching just before this season started (since there would have been a conflict if I kept recording it). I told wagnerrp about how I just deleted some 120 shows or whatever, and he asked which

[18:37:36]

nutron_lap:

and then wrap the log and the db together and pull the "bang bang you're dead jedi trick"

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nutron_lap:

haha

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sphery:

I had to remind everyone in channel that I record every new series on every channel and then decide whether to watch it later

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sphery:

then I admitted

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wagnerrp:

oh for shame

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sphery:

nutron_lap: definitely keep the backup, though

[18:38:19]

wagnerrp:

... recording primetime soaps on the CW

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nutron_lap:

I used to like 90210 in the 90's ... all the hot chicks I fondled in my teens watched it...

[18:38:26]

nutron_lap:

what's a boy to do?

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sphery:

you can do a partial restore if you like to get your rules, history, recordings back

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nutron_lap:

this backup isn't in prod... i have another serving the family atm

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sphery:

nutron_lap: oh, and for compression: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/DatabaseB . . . ression.html

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nutron_lap:

this one was just getting prepped to be "used" it's been recording for 2 months. So I don't care about the history per se, just the recording rules.

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sphery:

in general, gzip is the way to go (since it's very fast on sql), but for lower network usage, xz (or, better, lzip or plzip--same algorithm, but slightly more efficient implementation, and plzip is parallel/multi-threaded) could be about half the size of a gzip

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sphery:

I need to update that page with a new run that includes lzip/plzip, then put it on the wiki

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sphery:

(and take out the cost of space stuff)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

those ones can take significant memory to compress/decompress though, depending on settings

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nutron_lap:

sphery: wow dude, I care about energy usage too, but.. I commend you, that's stellar.

[18:42:37]

sphery:

even though with the cost now 1/3 what it was (about $0.035/GB on my last drive), that 24MiB is worth even less

[18:42:43]

sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

well, ripped 24 CDs and 1 LP last night :)

[18:43:33]

nutron_lap:

in fact while you were pointing out your experience with 80 plus power supplies I decided to remove the 1kw ps running this backend, and put the 400w back in :)

[18:43:44]

sphery:

nice

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nutron_lap:

alright, so sphery kormoc just email you the log/db tomorrow?

[18:44:28]

sphery:

yeah, it's getting harder and harder to do a good PSU for some systems because the range between idle and load is so great that you may need to drop under 20% at idle

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kormoc:

sounds good

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sphery:

or, do like me and run BOINC/SETI@home so you never idle

[18:44:54]

sphery:

yeah, sounds good to me, too

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nutron_lap:

sphery: aye, that's the part that made me decide to drop the 1kw unit.

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Beirdo:

haha. yeah, why are you so worried about power usage, then ensure you never idle?

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sphery:

heh, well I'm still using power at idle, so I just make sure that power is doing something constructive

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nutron_lap:

so just to be clear, I'll strip the "first frame is no keyframe" bs and send the rest, it's 80% of the size of my logs... 28mb logs drop down to 4.5mb with those stripped :)

[18:46:41]

sphery:

and since 1997, I've detected--let me count... carry the one... ok--zero aliens

[18:47:24]

sphery:

so that's almost 14 years of cpu time... granted, much of it was on the computers of yesteryear--that didn't save any power idling...

[18:47:38]

sphery:

now it's actually more of a decision whether to run it

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nutron_lap:

sphery: used to run folding at home like mad... took the time to measure and count how much power I was putting into this thing... and after being in like the top 50 folders... decided to remove it from all 300 systems :) figured the carbon my energy usage was pumping into the air was causing cancer rather than curing it

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blarg:

hey all

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sphery:

it's $1.50/mo on my Athlon XP-based systems... Could be as much as $3.50 to $5 on my new Athlon II's that actually do good idling

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sphery:

nutron_lap: wow, 300 systems... I take it that was at work?

[18:49:14]

nutron_lap:

sphery: yep

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nutron_lap:

we actually had a policy about doing good

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sphery:

Beirdo: anyway, I just do my best to buy low-TDP processors so that the difference between idle/non-idle is smaller

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nutron_lap:

but again, decided we were probably causing more harm than good

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sphery:

unfortunately, since newegg is only selling tri-/quad-core 45W TDP procs, now, I've been doing 65W, lately

[18:50:23]

sphery:

(since dual-core with faster cores is more useful for MythTV)

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nutron_lap:

it is?

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blarg:

I tried to add channels/transponders to my freshly 0.24 mythtv .. but I only get errors ("error tuning to transport|programmer error: failed to handle tune complete"), or error to import channels.conf: failed to parse %1. what can I do?

[18:51:08]

sphery:

nutron_lap: yeah, it is a lot of power... wonder how efficiency would improve if they instead used spare cycles on Amazon's cloud or whatever

[18:51:53]

sphery:

nutron_lap: since decoding is basically single-threaded, faster core is good for decoding. If you have more cores, they can be used for multiple transcodes or commercial flags, but since none of that is time-critical, I buy for playback performance

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sphery:

and dual-core is nice because then you can use a full core on decoding/playback (and, really, some things like deint have been moved to separate threads, which helps on dual or better core) and still have resources for, i.e. MySQL

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Beirdo:

OK, I can definitely hear a touch of 60Hz hum on this LP rip

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nutron_lap:

I've had a hate-on for everything amazon for ages... I think I need to get over it...

[18:55:03]

nutron_lap:

The 1-click patent was ... annoying.

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sphery:

heh... I love their store, but I'm not yet bought-in to the rest

[18:55:32]

sphery:

and, yeah, 1-click patent was ... something

[18:55:42]

sphery:

annoying isn't the word I'd have used

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sphery:

but then again, maybe you were just following channel rules

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nutron_lap:

heh maybe =)

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sphery:

blarg: try using the mythtv-setup channel scanner...

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sphery:

blarg: import of channels.conf doesn't really work--it doesn't contain all the necessary information

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sphery:

blarg: also, you may want to check out http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S

[18:57:14]

sphery:

and you want to use a pretty-recent 0.23-fixes or higher

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sphery:

(i.e. if you're on *buntu 10.04, you /need/ to upgrade)

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sphery:

upgrade MythTV, that is

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sphery:

using http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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blarg:

sphery: Iam in the mythtv-setup tool .. but I only find the channel editor

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blarg:

I have installed sources from homepage (.24)

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sphery:

the MythTV shipped with 10.04 is an old one that has bugs

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blarg:

<<archlinux

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sphery:

blarg: you should use -fixes

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blarg:

args ^^

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sphery:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac , "Stable: If you'd like to get the 0.24 stable branch, do this"

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sphery:

blarg: for scanning, you'd do that in the Input Connections page

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sphery:

not the channel editor

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sphery:

blarg: see the wiki DVB-S page for details

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blarg:

thanks so far :)

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nutron_lap:

aww crap why do little kids enjoy messing with the dog food? +/

[19:03:47]

nutron_lap:

maybe because his dad is too busy playing on computers :)

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wagnerrp:

its like cereal, its fun food

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wagnerrp:

fancy, apple is replacing screws on their iphones with some weird clover-shaped head

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nutron_lap:

meh, i have feelings of hatred about apple too... why am I such a zealot...?

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blarg:

sphery: I was on the right way, but the setup for the diseqc didnt get saved ^^ .. now it scans properly.. ! thank you very much :)

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nutron_lap:

ok verbosity is cranked.. i hope i don't run out of diskspace ;)

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nutron_lap:

sphery: I can still confirm that I can't find absolutely any kind of config that says atsc rather than ntsc

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nutron_lap:

I'm very confused with the atsc streams thing

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wagnerrp:

confused about what specifically?

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nutron_lap:

sphery suggested that I have atsc set somewhere, which I can't find...

[19:25:31]

wagnerrp:

i dont know of anywhere in mythtv where you tell it you are using ATSC

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nutron_lap:

the logs continuously spew the following: 2011-01–20 11:23:37.001 AFD Warning: ScanATSCCaptionStreams() called with no PMT

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nutron_lap:

yeah maybe I understood him wrong.. but everything's set to ntsc

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wagnerrp:

and the NTSC setting shouldnt make any difference for digital channels

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, im not entirely sure what its for

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nutron_lap:

do your logs show any lines like that?

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nutron_lap:

ie: am i normal? or do I fit in with the crowd?

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wagnerrp:

ive seen it before

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nutron_lap:

so nothing to worry about? i swear the logs the backend spews give me gas...

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nutron_lap:

acpi

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nutron_lap:

ugh sorry

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nutron_lap:

a'ight thanks for all the help folks... the other nutron will commence the drivel later today :P

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skd5aner:

how hard would it be to extend MythTV to support sending controls/commands via HTTP, similiar to the frontend socket control?

[19:36:48]

skd5aner:

similiar to the model boxeebox supports – http://developer.boxee.tv/Remote_Control_Inte . . . ol_Interface

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wagnerrp:

not hard at all

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wagnerrp:

in fact...

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skd5aner:

::drumroll:: ?

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skd5aner:

I'm sure I'm in a small minority of folks who would appreciate RS232 control as well, but that's pretty common in the home theater integration world

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wagnerrp:

no, not what i thought it was... https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/d51fd . . . 4a2655390f2a

[19:40:49]

wagnerrp:

of course it shouldnt be too difficult to add control hooks into the MediaRenderer server

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jcarlos:

Can someone tell me if mythpreviewgen is invoked from mythtv-backend when zapping TV channels or in similar situations ?

[19:41:17]

wagnerrp:

jcarlos: the preview generator is called for any recorded show

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wagnerrp:

that includes any livetv instance of sufficient length

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jcarlos:

wagnerrp: I was watching TV when I saw the proccess appear ...

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: more and more mid to high-end remotes are IP capable, not to mention tablets and smart phones... and several devices now leverage HTTP to send commands, directv, samsung tvs, etc

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skd5aner:

send/receive

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: it would be fairly trivial to pipe the frontend control socket over rs232

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jcarlos:

wagnerrp: Can this preview generation be disabled somehow ?

[19:43:06]

wagnerrp:

jcarlos: why would you want it to?

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yea, that'd be cool... I honestly am not the guy to do it though :/

[19:43:17]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: wish I was

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sphery:

blarg: glad you got it... enjoy

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jcarlos:

wagnerrp: I only wanted to know ... :-)

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sphery:

can't be disabled

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blarg:

sphery: I will ;) .. by the way, on the git HEAD are many obscure time-shifting problems.. are they only only on my system, or are they general?

[19:45:52]

sphery:

makes sense to just generate previews in case they're needed--since the size is negligible compared to the recording

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: the 'client-mode' version seems almost what you want.. http://www.elifulkerson.com/projects/telnet-serial-bridge.php

[19:46:07]

wagnerrp:

you would need to tweak it to use a raw socket instead of telnet though

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sphery:

blarg: time-shifting problems? You mean Live TV issues?

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** skd5aner is on day 18 of total mythtv system meltdown **

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skd5aner:

I've got the shakes real bad

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sphery:

if you mean Live TV issues (where it exits at program change and stuff), that's pretty typical

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sphery:

in all versions

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: good find!

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blarg:

sphery: mostly live-tv .. Im not sure whether they occured on recordings (ffw ends up in first minutes of recording, so I had to watch hte stuff again^^).. and little bit before ending a show, the live-tv cant write to buffer and crashes

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sphery:

that may be socket issues

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sphery:

which some people have--and which make mythtv very not usable--and others don't

[19:49:03]

sphery:

no one has debugged them, yet

[19:49:39]

wagnerrp:

so im building mingw for windows cross compiling

[19:49:43]

blarg:

sphery: one issue that causes the downgrade for me ;)

[19:49:50]

wagnerrp:

i guess ill come back tomorrow and see if its down

[19:49:52]

wagnerrp:

done

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wagnerrp:

kind of odd... its wanting to use an old gcc-3.4.5

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skd5aner:

so is chutt officially get out of the mythtv "business"?

[19:52:07]

skd5aner:

er, getting

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wagnerrp:

hes really been out for about a year and a half now

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skd5aner:

well, yea...

[19:53:30]

skd5aner:

I just thought he was inactive in terms of day to day stuff, but still intended to be involved at some directional level

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wagnerrp:

thats what the committee is for

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wagnerrp:

basically, the last direction chutt gave was for the web replacement for mythtv-setup

[19:55:18]

wagnerrp:

and that was... a year ago?

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** Beirdo yawns **

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: do you know of any ogg version of mp3fs?

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Beirdo:

it actually works quite nicely (so far) for FLAC->MP3 on the fly conversion :)

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wagnerrp:

nope

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Beirdo:

maybe I'll have to write one :)

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Beirdo:

as I'm storing my music in FLAC, I found that to be a very useful FUSE-based filesystem

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blarg:

mythtv feels so fast with a fresh database :) thanks for your help sphery :) bye

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sphery:

A fresh database doesn't speed up mythtv... I have a perfectly perky mythtv with ~1200 recordings (down from ~1500 due to a HDD failure). However, a misconfigured MythTV system (where configuaration is stored in the database) will slow MythTV. So, if your fresh database makes MythTV faster, it's just because you haven't yet had time to misconfigure it. :)

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cal_:

arclight osd looks very blurry on SD channels (looks great on digital HD channels).. am I doing something wrong?

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wagnerrp:

yes

[21:15:11]

wagnerrp:

use the opengl renderer instead of the qt one

[21:15:23]

wagnerrp:

erm, xv, not qt

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cal_:

ok will try that. it must default to qt.

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cal_:

there is an option for opengl too?

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wagnerrp:

i misspoke

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cal_:

lol k

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wagnerrp:

the options for UI painter are qt and opengl

[21:18:42]

wagnerrp:

you want opengl there

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cal_:

ok gotcha

[21:18:56]

wagnerrp:

the options for video renderer are opengl and xv

[21:19:00]

wagnerrp:

you also want opengl there

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wagnerrp:

what graphics card do you have?

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cal_:

nvidea 7800 (which does not support vdpau :( )

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wagnerrp:

no, but it has plenty of power for opengl

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cal_:

what theme are you using?

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wagnerrp:

arclight on one, mythcenter on the other

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wagnerrp:

both opengl

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cal_:

I am running on a 120" widescreen, arclight looks quite nice on it ;)

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wagnerrp:

projector?

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cal_:

yeah

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cal_:

hmm system event handlers looks new

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nutron:

skd5aner: how do you pronounce your nick/handle/alias? Skid-saner?

[21:33:34]

skd5aner:

haha

[21:33:40]

nutron:

:P

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Beirdo:

cal_: yeah, I bet it would work splendidly on a huge screen :) I wish I had a setup like that

[21:33:55]

skd5aner:

well, there really isn't one... but I usually say "s-k-d-5-aner"

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cal_:

beirdo: no idea what I would use them for. have any ideas? ;)

[21:34:24]

skd5aner:

the 5 used to represent an S back a long time ago when I had multiple accounts for a game

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cal_:

isnt it for like sending a text to my cell phone when a recording is done, and such?

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nutron:

wow .. talk about making convo difficult...

[21:34:37]

nutron:

:P

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skd5aner:

nutron: yea, I know :(

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Beirdo:

system event handlers? They are so you can run a script when certain events happen.

[21:35:13]

nutron:

my other alias is from a game... back in 1992 or so. LORD \o/

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Beirdo:

most people have nearly (or completely) no use for them

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skd5aner:

nutron: I've given a lot of thought to using a new nick for mythtv, just haven't done it yet

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cal_:

yeah but just trying to think of a good real world scenario

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cal_:

beirdo: exactly

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skd5aner:

nutron: mine is from about the same time, NWN on AOL

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nutron:

holy crap... i thought no one ever played that

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skd5aner:

nutron: imho, best MMO eva

[21:36:49]

skd5aner:

regardless, I'm giving it serious thought about adopting a new alias for IRC, the wiki, etc

[21:37:11]

skd5aner:

not sure if you can change an existing wiki account username or not (or if I could beg an admin to do it for me)

[21:37:13]

nutron:

aye, I look forward to your .24-fixes updates :)

[21:37:18]

nutron:

gj btw

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skd5aner:

nutron: thank you :) I'm trying to get back into the swing of things, but life and work are doing a good job of taking all my spare time

[21:37:49]

nutron:

begging's all I know to do... doesn't get me far heh.

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nutron:

yeah, same here after being told to continue the perl magic... I got all... 'kerflempt' about it... the emotional ups and downs heh

[21:39:30]

nutron:

This retarded recession makes me want to shave my eyebrows it's taken time away from my "tinkering"

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Beirdo:

hehe

[21:40:22]

skd5aner:

My todo list has grown exponentially, yet my funds to accomplish many of the tasks have not really grown in relation

[21:40:31]

Beirdo:

my todo list is neverending

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Beirdo:

my desire to work on it... fluctuates

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skd5aner:

yea, that too

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nutron:

aye... then I had one of my rentals flood ... no insurance coverage... bah

[21:41:02]

skd5aner:

nutron: Australia?

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nutron:

nah Canada... blown pipe :P

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skd5aner:

ah

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** Beirdo does a remote dist-upgrade on his ripper box **

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Beirdo:

10.04.1 -> 10.10, here we come

[21:41:38]

Beirdo:

hehe

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skd5aner:

was playing the odds game, given that all of Eastern Australia appears to be dealing with flooding

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: have fun

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nutron:

:o please tell me you're pure... nope... using lamebuntu

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Beirdo:

the firewire drivers in the newer kernels may well fix some fun I'm having with that changer

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nutron:

skd5aner: rough are you close to it?

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Beirdo:

I'm running 10.04.1 Server

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nutron:

I mean the flooding

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Beirdo:

no pulse crap for me

[21:42:52]

nutron:

Why did pulse gain any traction in the first place I'll never figure it out.

[21:43:02]

nutron:

s/gain/gained/

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Beirdo:

I'm tempted to update my work box to debian bleeding-edge

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Beirdo:

but I've resisted the urge so far

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nutron:

sid's pretty stable when things are in freeze.

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skd5aner:

nutron: no, I'm in the US

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: actually, I had some issues with firewire after going for 10.04 -> 10.10

[21:48:58]

skd5aner:

I believe my nodes somehow got turned around

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skd5aner:

s/for/from

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Beirdo:

well, for me, the only firewire device I'm using uses SBP-2

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Beirdo:

not cable boxes..

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Beirdo:

and if the drive throws an error (like from a bad CD), I have to powercycle it several times before it unwedges itself

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Beirdo:

and last time, I had to reboot the machine too

[21:51:05]

Beirdo:

so I'm thinking that using the newer firewire stuff would be wise

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Beirdo:

2.6.32->2.6.35

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skd5aner:

yea, I just use it for channel changing, not video capture

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blarg:

hey ^^ it's me again ^^ sadly mythtv doesnt work as expected. audio and video judder =\

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Beirdo:

it's going to be completely redone for 2.6.37 (i.e. you MUST use the new drives)

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Beirdo:

drivers rather

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Beirdo:

oh crap

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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Beirdo:

I forgot to comment out the one mount that's not available, and now that machine's waiting for me to hit "S" on the console

[22:25:27]

Beirdo:

thanks for breaking unattended booting, ubuntu

[22:25:29]

Beirdo:

freaks

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cal_:

hmm

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Beirdo:

oh well, it can wait until I'm home

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: yea, I hate that

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Beirdo:

they should make a mode (maybe they did?) so you can say... if you can't mount, whine and continue

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skd5aner:

yea, no idea... they probably do?

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skd5aner:

never looked in to it

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Beirdo:

if not, they need to

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Beirdo:

it's retarded

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Beirdo:

and rage inspiring :)

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skd5aner:

and that it does it before SSHD starts up :P

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Beirdo:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/621336

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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JEDIDIAH__:

I was bit by the same very thing actually...

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Beirdo:

I hate upstart

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Beirdo:

piece of crap

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JEDIDIAH__:

tried to jigger the upstart jobs.

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JEDIDIAH__:

take something simple and reliable and replace it with something non-deterministic.

[22:55:43]

JEDIDIAH__:

...just so you can get to a non-usable desktop faster.

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Beirdo:

that's the Canonical way

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skd5aner:

oh sure, linux was "simple" before?

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JEDIDIAH__:

they try to copy certain things without understanding them or perhaps even really using them.

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Beirdo:

init.d was simple and well understood

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JEDIDIAH__:

like a sequential list isnt' simple?

[22:57:42]

JEDIDIAH__:

S01 -> S99, none of this wading through everything to see what the dependencies are.

[22:59:59]

JEDIDIAH__:

has anyone else seen those tiger direct store fronts?

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JEDIDIAH__:

they're selling nv430's for $60.

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kormoc:

if by tiger direct store fronts you mean tiger direct?

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JEDIDIAH__:

yes. "tiger direct" has B&M stores now.

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nutron:

That's not very direct is it?

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JEDIDIAH__:

I can grab the card and give them they money and walk out with it. It really doesn't get any more direct than that.

[23:08:52]

nutron:

Ubuntu's on my I hate list already. And to think I used to hand out copies of 6.06 to unsuspecting winbloze users.

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Beirdo:

tigger direct... bouncing to a computer near you

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nutron:

There's a middle man. There's a truck, there's a store, there's a lease, there's a receiving department, there are tellers with hungry children etc... Nah, not direct.

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nutron:

hah

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Beirdo:

unless you live in China, it can't be

[23:10:12]

nutron:

True.

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kormoc:

Tiger direct hasn't been a cheap option for years now

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JEDIDIAH__:

clearly this concept is disturbing to some people.

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nutron:

Heh. Yep.

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JEDIDIAH__:

I would expect them to have different stuff, not just so much cheap.

[23:11:14]

JEDIDIAH__:

the storefront had this somewhat interesting low profile lenevo. nice CPU. Not sure about the GPU.

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nutron:

Yeah tiger's always been much pricier than other options. PC Connection (the one with the raccoons) wasn't affordable either.

[23:12:26]

nutron:

Oh the good old days of PC Magazine. How I'd dream of 120mb hard drives...

[23:13:05]

nutron:

I'm surprised lenovo kept the whole "feel" of IBM, I was actually looking at their options for my next laptop.

[23:13:59]

kormoc:

why would it be disturbing? It's just expansion, nothing special at all

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nutron:

Because I was being nitpicky about their name :/ Just idling waiting for a compile

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Beirdo:

kinda like calling Budwiser "beer"

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Beirdo:

heh

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JEDIDIAH__:

no. it's like calling budweiser budweiser.

[23:15:49]

JEDIDIAH__:

like an international trademark violation.

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Beirdo:

not anymore

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skd5aner:

back in 92, I'd get a PC world or some apple magazine and actually FILL out the card wanting vendors to send me information

[23:18:37]

skd5aner:

how the world has changed

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nutron:

skd5aner: hah indeed, I did the same.

[23:19:29]

nutron:

that reminds me, I have to go buy everything gog has :)

[23:19:36]

nutron:

I need to relive my .. youth?

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AndyCap:

nutron: it has faded

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nutron:

I don't believe you.

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aclonedsheep_:

I just figured out a path for an ethernet cable from my living room to my office so i could have a backend comp up there on the wired network :)

[23:25:13]

mongy:

having trouble getting it to see any videos in my Downloads folder even tho I set it up to look there. I have had it working before but this is a fresh install. Stuck.

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nutron:

downloads? movies? Whatchoo talkin' 'bout? Arrrr.

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Beirdo:

!parrot

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** MythLogBot looks around the channel for parrots for Beirdo to smack. **

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sphery:

heh, that's new--and quite appropriate, it seems

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** Beirdo grins **

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sphery:

I have a feeling that Downloads folder may have movies other than Big Buck Bunny and Elephant's Dream

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nutron:

sphery: oh what's that new one... with the dragon

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Beirdo:

oO

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nutron:

Project orange wasn't it?

[23:43:40]

nutron:

Flippin' beautiful

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AndyCap:

Ah, you think he's a pioneer one man?

[23:43:42]

nutron:

in HD

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sphery:

nutron: ooh, a new one... I'll have to look for that

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sphery:

AndyCap: exactly--Pioneer One was what I was thinking. And I'm sure he provided a nice donation since it's a good show, too.

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