Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, January 15th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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wagnerrp:

so i can go back in and rework as needed

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wagnerrp:

basically, i want to just be able to supply the svn changeset or git hash, and have it generate a link to the proper repo and name it with the git description

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kormoc:

div or span?

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kormoc:

ooh, I see what you mean

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wagnerrp:

theres no way for me to provide unique ids, without requiring the user supply them to the template

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wagnerrp:

and if i cant name them because i cant use anchors

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wagnerrp:

the only solution seems to be to search for a certain structure

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kormoc:

I'd use <span data-hash="hash"></span> personally

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kormoc:

data-blah is part of html spec for what you're after

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kormoc:

(for html5)

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wagnerrp:

and i would search for all span tags with the 'data-hash' attribute filled?

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kormoc:

Aye

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wagnerrp:

that could work, thanks

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kormoc:

g'luck

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kormoc:

http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/elements.html#em . . . a-attributes

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stuartm:

does the wiki use a doctype that would permit HTML5 usage? I didn't think that it would

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wagnerrp:

yeah, it doesnt appear to be showing up in the source

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kormoc:

We could change that

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stuartm:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transi . . . td">

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stuartm:

kormoc: maybe do it at the same time as creating a MythTV theme for the wiki? :)

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Beirdo:

kormoc: if I were to get a used macbook or iMac for kitchen frontend use... any particular things to look for?

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: sounds like my plans are on temporary hold

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kormoc:

Beirdo, nvidia card, that's bout it

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Beirdo:

not sure as to video performance

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Beirdo:

k

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Beirdo:

that's hard to find :)

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kormoc:

stuartm, well, we could do that easily enough :P

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wagnerrp:

do they make touchscreen imacs?

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Beirdo:

I wish

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, aftermarket, yes

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kormoc:

http://www.axiotron.com/index.php?id=modbook

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Beirdo:

ooh, found one

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kormoc:

ooh, imac, it's a touchscreen macbook

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Beirdo:

MacBook with 9400M

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Beirdo:

not touchscreen though

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mishehu:

so has anybody heard of any hauppage weirdness like this? If I plug in a vcr to the coax (Tuner 1) on my pvr 250 card, I get video but no audio. If I plug the vcr into the composites, I get audio but no video...

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mishehu:

it's like my peanut butter and chocolate are simply not colliding here.

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stuartm:

kormoc: we were going to create a MythTV theme to match the main page(s) for both Trac and the wiki right back at the time the new site was launched ...

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stuartm:

kormoc: iamlindoro did subsequently create a theme for the wiki, I was supposed to review and install it, umm ... :/

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stuartm:

maybe he still has it around

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/mythtv.wikiskin.tar.gz

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iamlindoro:

same place I left it a year ago :P

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mishehu:

wow, that's even worse than the federal gov't for speediness

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/wiki-final.png

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sphery:

I wish it were possible to revoke the developer credentials of any web developer who requires the Referer header.

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sphery:

yeah, I'm looking at you, newegg

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sphery:

client-generated data is /not/ a way of improving security

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jcarlos:

Can someone tell me why I see this message "The time and/or time zone settings on this system do not match those in use on the master backend. Please ensure all frontend and backend systems are configured to use the same time zone and have the current time properly set." ?

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sphery:

jcarlos: because your frontend and backend systems have differint time zones configured

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jcarlos:

My timezones are identical in my backend and my frontend !!

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sphery:

show the complete log messages, plese

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jcarlos:

sphery: I'm doing date to see my timezone

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jcarlos:

In both machines the timezone is CET

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sphery:

jcarlos: I need to see exactly what the log message says

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sphery:

as it shows exactly what's wrong

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jcarlos:

Am I missing anything ?

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jcarlos:

OK

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jcarlos:

One moment

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sphery:

you likely have 2 differently-named zone IDs configured, but that happen to both be in CET now

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jcarlos:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/inNnxj0Y

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sphery:

and since the current offset is not the only thing that's important--but the offset for every point in time in the past and future, you need the same zone ID configured

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sphery:

yeah, so you need to change it so both use Europe/Malta or Europe/Madrid

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jcarlos:

sphery: Where must I change this ?

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jcarlos:

At system level ?

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sphery:

ideally, you'd change your system configuration

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sphery:

but you can modify the time zone by doing the following in the environment that runs the backend or frontend: export TZ='Europe/Malta'

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jcarlos:

How can I see the timezone in both machines ?

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sphery:

well, the message in the logs says what each one is using

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sphery:

how to find it through your UI/tools is distro-specific

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jcarlos:

Ahhhhhhhhhh

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jcarlos:

I understand now !!

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jcarlos:

Pufff

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jcarlos:

sphery: I'm using debian

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sphery:

about all I can recommend is: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-admi . . . in-time.html

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jcarlos:

sphery: I see my problem now ...

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jcarlos:

My frontend is a netbook

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jcarlos:

And my backend is a dockstar without RTC ...

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jcarlos:

It is using ntp to set time ...

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sphery:

The 2 time zones you have are actually identical over all periods, now, but because MythTV doesn't actually parse the zoneinfo file and because they use different ID's, it won't allow them to differ

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jcarlos:

I understand ...

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sphery:

yeah, the time is close enough to allow it to operate (but you may have problems with Live TV not starting properly, or recordings may start or end early or late), but unless you set both to the same zone ID, MythTV won't let it run

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jcarlos:

sphery: TZ='Euroepe/Malta' mythfrontend did the trick ... Thanks !!!

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jcarlos:

Europe*

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jcarlos:

sphery: Error opening jump program ... This is what I get when I try to see the TV ... do you know what that can mean, please ?

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sphery:

jcarlos: that's what I meant by "problems with Live TV"

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sphery:

because frontend and backend times differ by more than 1 or 2s

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sphery:

you need to run ntp on both systems

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jcarlos:

sphery: Ahhh

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jcarlos:

sphery: I'm using ntpdate in both machines now (time is the same now) ... but the same error ... :-(

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sphery:

try restarting the frontend and backend on both and sett if it helps

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sphery:

see if it helps that is

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sphery:

if not, then it's something else--and you will likely need to check your backend logs to see why your backend is unable to record the show

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jcarlos:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/RFAYTqZe

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sphery:

that's the frontend log

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sphery:

check the backend log

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jcarlos:

sphery: It seems the backend records the show, but the frontend can not read it

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sphery:

post the backend logs, too, please

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sphery:

looks, though, like there's a 12s difference on your machines

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sphery:

based on : RingBuf(/public/recordings/1001_20110115023316.mpg) Warning: Taking too long to be allowed to read..

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sphery:

and We have a playbackURL(/public/recordings/1001_20110115023328.mpg) & cardtype(DUMMY)

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jcarlos:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/1qM4AXL9

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sphery:

or maybe not, since that's the dummy file

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jcarlos:

sphery: Not, the time is the same ...

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sphery:

ok, frontend: 2011-01–15 02:33:16.865 TV: Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV

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sphery:

backend: 2011-01–15 02:35:45.434 TVRec(1): Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV

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sphery:

seems ther'es a 2min difference (unless you just posted the wrong part of the backend log)

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jcarlos:

sphery: I don't understand ... date tell me the time is the same

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jcarlos:

And I have restarted both

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sphery:

and you're sure you posted the right part of the logs?

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sphery:

i.e. a matching portion showing the same attempt at live tv

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jcarlos:

Probably not ... the last portion was two minutes later ... :-)

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jcarlos:

The time elapsed since you told me to post the backend log ...

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sphery:

well, I need to see matching frontend/backend logs to verify it's not time differences

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jcarlos:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/J32TtjSE

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jcarlos:

sphery: That's the fronted log that match with the last backend log pasted ...

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jcarlos:

matches*

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sphery:

not sure what's up

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sphery:

might want to check file system permissions, etc.

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jcarlos:

sphery: I have a /public/recordings/ directory in the backend that is mounted in the frontend by NFS

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sphery:

right, and it looks like the frontend can't read it

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sphery:

maybe because you have different user id's on the 2 systems for the mythtv user

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sphery:

?

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jcarlos:

sphery: Yes ... that's true ... but the permissions are ok

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jcarlos:

My fronted user can read the backend data

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sphery:

what are the permissions on /public, /public/recordings, and /public/recordings/1001_20110115023547.mpg , for example

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jcarlos:

sphery: 644

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jcarlos:

sphery: One moment .. will be more precise

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jcarlos:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/Ws5116Sh

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sphery:

then I'm not sure why it can't read the file

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sphery:

I'd almost recommend juts umounting /public/recordings and letting mythtv stream it so you don't have to get nfs working

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jcarlos:

One moment

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jcarlos:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/ehJB7bLU

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jcarlos:

sphery: If I could change channel I would try another one ... but I can not change

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sphery:

the -rw-r--r-- 1 festival mysql 376 ene 15 02:49 /public/recordings/1001_20110115024935.mpg says that's an empty file

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sphery:

so I think the card isn't recording anything

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sphery:

376 = headers, no data

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sphery:

so go to mythtv-setup, change the starting channel for the input connection, and try again

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jcarlos:

OK

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sphery:

then if that doesn't work test your capture card outside of mythtv

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jcarlos:

sphery: The card is running OK

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jcarlos:

I have tested it ...

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jcarlos:

With tzap

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jcarlos:

tzap -o – 'channel' | nl -lvnp 1234

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jcarlos:

nc dockstar 1234 | mplayer -

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jcarlos:

One command in the backend and the other in the frontend ...

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jcarlos:

And I can see TV ... :-)

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jcarlos:

sphery: By the way, my backend is a headless "machine" ...

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jcarlos:

sphery: Watching TV now !!! Thanks !!

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sphery:

jcarlos: cool, what fixed it?

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jcarlos:

sphery: changing start channel

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sphery:

good... probably just a bad channel in the list at 1

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jcarlos:

sphery: Yep ... I must filter that list ... :-)

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jcarlos:

sphery: I have mounted now the NFS partition and works OK ... :-)

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sphery:

cool

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kormoc:

Ahh... Tuners 1–11 are working in the mythbox now

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wagnerrp:

s/in/outside/

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kormoc:

heh, true

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wagnerrp:

your 'backend' is smaller than my first external hard drive

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wagnerrp:

... and has more internal storage as well

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iamlindoro:

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media . . . whdi-600.jpg

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iamlindoro:

Well that's nice and safe looking

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iamlindoro:

nice, safe, wireless HDMI

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kormoc:

jesus

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: and of course, there has to be at least one person complaining about the health hazards of all these wireless devices

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro gee,and it comes with a free iPhone, eh? ;-)

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Beirdo^2:

Yeehaw

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[R]:

5 antennas... wtf

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** Beirdo^2 just won a MacBook auction on eBay. Woohoo **

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Nice – congratulations! ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo^2: ^^

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Beirdo^2:

Hehe

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Beirdo^2:

I like my toys

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo^2: hehehe... I think most of us here can say the same thing... ;-)

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Beirdo^2:

Irc on the bus. I like smartphones

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wagnerrp:

i like things with real keyboards

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J-e-f-f-A:

My cell phone has a 'real' keyboard... ;-) It's just about 1/3 the size of my desktop keyboard... ;-)

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Beirdo^2:

I prefer that too. But I can usually deal with it.

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** J-e-f-f-A is happily ripping a HD-DVD to myth with DumpHD ;-) **

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Beirdo^2:

Heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

I kinda wish this XB360 HD-DVD drive had an 'activity' LED though... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

It takes a while to rip a HD-DVD with a USB drive and a Java ripper... DOH! ;-) Oh well... ;-)

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klk:

I just deleted all my listings sources in mythtv setup and re-added my OTA listings

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klk:

but now all the channels are something like 7_1, 4_1 instead of 7–1, 4–1

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klk:

Is that an option somewhere or did I likely go into the channel editor and change them by hand last time I did this?

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klk:

I guess the separator for HD subchannels

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[R]:

i know its an option when you scan...

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klk:

really? I didn't see it

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klk:

I just checked again and I unless it is somehow related to the frequency table for modulation I don't see it

[03:36:34]

[R]:

hrm, maybe its gone

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[R]:

yo ucould alwyas just use sql to change it

[03:36:48]

[R]:

if it really mjatters

[03:37:04]

klk:

well all my recording rules are kinda broken now

[03:37:35]

klk:

i'll just change them by hand

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klk:

not that many channels

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wagnerrp:

why are your recording rules broken?

[03:41:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... I probably could have saved some time by doing a 'cat PEVOB_1.EVO >>PEVOB_2.EVO' and then renaming it instead of a 'cat PEVOB_1.EVO PEVOB_2.EVO >LAST_SAMURAI.EVO' , eh? Oh well... ;-)

[03:42:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

er... other way around 2.EVO >> 1.EVO ... but you know what I mean...

[03:42:30]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, was going to say you had that backwards

[03:42:45]

wagnerrp:

of course i never copied the files to my hard drive in the first place

[03:42:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

[03:42:53]

wagnerrp:

just cat'ted them straight from the disk

[03:43:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: will myth play them when they're encrypted?

[03:43:28]

wagnerrp:

no

[03:43:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

ok, didn't think so. ;-)

[03:44:33]

wagnerrp:

anydvd mounts the disks as unencrypted

[03:46:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Ah, gotcha. ;-) I'm using the java-based DumpHD, so I'll just live with the 1-hour rip time for the whole disc. ;-) I only have about a dozen anyways... No rush. ;-)

[03:46:36]

wagnerrp:

hope they all work

[03:47:07]

wagnerrp:

about half my WB disks are dead

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: really? Humm... Last Sumurai seemed to rip just fine... I may kick off another rip in a few... ;-)

[03:49:47]

wagnerrp:

lost a hard drive a couple months ago

[03:50:02]

wagnerrp:

i figured... ive got them on disk, i dont /need/ them on the redundant array

[03:50:22]

wagnerrp:

sure enough, about 15 of them are irrecoverable

[03:50:34]

wagnerrp:

or... recoverable for $5 plus S&H

[03:51:23]

wagnerrp:

ever heard of red2blu?

[03:52:04]

[R]:

wagnerrp: di you ever reply to that ddr thign?

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biffhero:

red2blu looks awesome.

[03:52:26]

wagnerrp:

[R]: yeah

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: no, I haven't...

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[R]:

wagnerrp: pretty sweet...

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biffhero:

had something odd show up tonight. Running myth .24. I have some DVDs I have ripped to .iso files. When I run them in mythvideo, they play the opening little message, but never make it to the title menu screen. I can watch TV recordings just fine, I watched other DVDs from bookmarks.

[03:55:12]

wagnerrp:

is it possible these ISOs are encrypted?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: hey, that's cool. ;-) (red2blu)

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biffhero:

wagnerrp. I don't think so. I am pretty sure I ripped them and removed the encryption on the way in.

[03:56:41]

biffhero:

dvd2iso.sh, let me go read that bad boy. It's been a little while.

[03:58:08]

biffhero:

uses dvdbackup, on ubuntu, and then genisoimage.

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biffhero:

I do get some errors in the logs on the frontend.

[03:59:02]

biffhero:

Opened DVD device at myth://Videos@192.168.10.129:6543/ST:TOS:Season1_disc6.iso

[04:01:03]

[R]:

and the error...

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biffhero:

putting it to pastebin.

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biffhero:

mythtv.pastebin.ca down?

[04:02:05]

wagnerrp:

it frequently is

[04:02:27]

biffhero:

ok, using pastebin.com

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kav0rka^:

does mythtv read the lirc config file from ~.lircrc or ~.mythtv/.lircrc ??

[04:03:50]

wagnerrp:

neither

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iamlindoro:

neither

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wagnerrp:

~/.mythtv/lircrc

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kav0rka^:

ah thanks guys

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wagnerrp:

can user accounts even start with a period?

[04:04:18]

JEDIDIAH__:

just to keep us all on our toes

[04:04:29]

JEDIDIAH__:

you can find out real quick.

[04:05:16]

JEDIDIAH__:

...yup

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JEDIDIAH__:

.willthiswork:x:5002:5002::/home/.willthiswork:/bin/sh

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biffhero:

http://pastebin.com/K8rT5HTQ

[04:08:39]

[R]:

libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.

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[R]:

biffhero: is it really that hard to read?

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biffhero:

"libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. " makes me wonder if this is only printed out on an encrypted dvd, or with both encrypied and not encrypted.

[04:08:57]

mattwj20021:

good evening alls

[04:09:02]

mattwj20021:

*all

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biffhero:

I saw that before, but the DVD plays some introduction music before going to the title screen.

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biffhero:

and I think that the a crypto failure hits me when I try to rip with dvdbackup, not here. hrm.

[04:11:30]

biffhero:

I will try with some James Bond in a few when I can get access to this front end. I have only ripped with the one method, dvdbackup and genisoimage

[04:18:31]

biffhero:

OK, I just pasted a new one. This paste stops when we are at the DVD menu.

[04:18:48]

biffhero:

http://pastebin.com/dX5vwZWb

[04:19:11]

biffhero:

it also says "libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable."

[04:20:23]

biffhero:

and of course, no test would be complete without a little "Diamonds are Forever"

[04:22:25]

biffhero:

yep, same message, even a bunch of the 2011-01–14 20:21:30.729 AudioPlayer: Disabling Audio, reason is: Aborting Audio Reconfigure. Invalid audio parameters ch -1 fmt 0 @ −1Hz messages.

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[R]:

that's not good

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biffhero:

and… spoke too soon.

[04:23:43]

biffhero:

got a ways into the bond, and it fails. This is fun.

[04:24:09]

biffhero:

I get to see the neat opening bond scenes over and over. i would never take the time to do this on my own. woot!

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biffhero:

I remembered something about needing to rescan with .24, so I did that earlier this evening. That didn't change anything. I am using hdmi out.

[04:25:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Last Samurai works fine – but starts with the director's commentary audio – I have to switch it. Doh! At least the 'regular' track is available. ;-)

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wagnerrp:

i need to clean up the socket code for the python bindings

[04:36:37]

wagnerrp:

20MB/s over a file transfer is 60% of one core

[04:39:13]

mattwj20021:

guys

[04:39:17]

mattwj20021:

I have awesome news

[04:39:18]

mattwj20021:

:D

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[R]:

you just saved a bunch of money on your car insurance?

[04:39:36]

mattwj20021:

:O

[04:39:40]

mattwj20021:

how did you guess?

[04:39:46]

mattwj20021:

:P

[04:39:47]

wagnerrp:

you slept at a holiday inn express?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: is that from something?

[04:40:05]

mattwj20021:

no

[04:40:14]

mattwj20021:

I think my quad core is stable

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wagnerrp:

'are you a heart surgeon? no, but i did sleep at a holiday inn express last night.'

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RomioTango:

anyone on here that could help me out with an audio problem

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mattwj20021:

I think it had a bad hard drive

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[R]:

wagnerrp: was that that movie with zach galafanakis?

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RomioTango:

i have an awesome 3990mb hdd i can loan you

[04:41:06]

wagnerrp:

no, it was a series of ads holidan inn ran

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mattwj20021:

3990 mb?

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[R]:

oh

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mattwj20021:

O_O

[04:41:34]

** kormoc wonders if RomioTango is attempting to out clever clever **

[04:41:36]

RomioTango:

mattwj20021, yes... not even 4g.. old seagate or something like that

[04:41:43]

wagnerrp:

mattwj20021: ive got a couple more i could toss your way about that size

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RomioTango:

kormoc, ?

[04:42:07]

mattwj20021:

4 GB?

[04:42:10]

wagnerrp:

RomioTango: a user in here with a penchant for rigging together exceedingly old hardware

[04:42:31]

RomioTango:

mattwj20021, you could raid them all together... i mean it wouldn't be fast, not really reliable, nor quiet.. nor cheap to run.. but other than that.. ;)

[04:42:46]

clever:

that gives me an idea...., could i use that old 40mb drive as the root for a frontend!

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[R]:

clever: 40mb?

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[R]:

overkill

[04:43:02]

wagnerrp:

maybe storage for the kernel...

[04:43:03]

[R]:

you only need 0mb

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RomioTango:

clever, thats what I was considering doing with that <4g drive but its just too loud .. its annoying in the bedroom

[04:43:36]

clever:

yeah, my current frontend has no root drive, only swap

[04:44:03]

[R]:

just get more ram

[04:44:07]

[R]:

i have no swap on my frontend

[04:44:26]

clever:

the root image takes up about 490mb of ram, it has 512

[04:44:36]

clever:

more ram would make things simpler

[04:44:37]

[R]:

like i said

[04:44:39]

[R]:

more ram

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[R]:

why on earth are you putting your root in ram

[04:45:01]

RomioTango:

anyone mind talking audio with me? I'm trying to get audio out over HDMI via ati radeon HD 4250

[04:45:02]

clever:

so i can unplug the usb stick with the root image

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[R]:

why is your root image on a usb stick that you are unplugging

[04:45:20]

clever:

[R]: because its shared between 2 laptops

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[R]:

your frontend is a diskless laptop?

[04:45:33]

Captain_Murdoch:

takes "dual boot" to a whole new meaning

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RomioTango:

I can push the audio per application by setting the audio device to hw 1,3 however I cannot get the mixer to push audio via hdmi

[04:45:44]

clever:

[R]: if you dont count swap, yes

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wagnerrp:

hes only got the one, so he shares the boot drive between the two

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clever:

Captain_Murdoch: that too, the 2nd laptop has an encrypted harddrive so i cant add anything

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RomioTango:

clever, thats an interesting way to do it

[04:47:16]

Captain_Murdoch:

clever, the "dual" was for the 2 laptops, not for dual OS.

[04:47:35]

clever:

it was originaly just to dual boot the encrypted laptop

[04:47:48]

clever:

but i cloned the image and modified it to handle a second laptop for fe

[04:47:53]

mattwj20021:

handbrake will run much better on a Quad core than a P4

[04:47:54]

mattwj20021:

:P

[04:48:09]

wagnerrp:

s/handbrake/everything/

[04:48:15]

mattwj20021:

lol

[04:48:17]

mattwj20021:

indeed

[04:48:27]

wagnerrp:

and its lower power to boot

[04:48:28]

mattwj20021:

I think handbrake is multithreaded

[04:48:38]

mattwj20021:

too

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Captain_Murdoch:

RomioTango, you lost most of us at 'ati', but eventually someone might be able to help.

[04:49:20]

RomioTango:

haha yeah Captain_Murdoch I'm learning just how hated ATI 'still' is

[04:49:38]

RomioTango:

supposedly they're trying to provide better linux support/driver

[04:49:51]

wagnerrp:

theyre trying, its not going too well

[04:50:07]

RomioTango:

yeah but 6mo to a year from now that could be a completely different story

[04:50:11]

Captain_Murdoch:

they brought it on themselves and it will take a long time to gain back trust and marketshare in this realm.

[04:51:04]

RomioTango:

yeah to some extent I wish I had spent the extra couple hundred and built the Intel/Nvidia box i had in my cart lol

[04:51:27]

wagnerrp:

extra couple... hundred?

[04:51:31]

RomioTango:

in windows this server is great as a gaming pc with a 52" monitor

[04:51:54]

RomioTango:

well I was looking at buying another quad core

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[R]:

i want a 3 way cpu

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** [R] giggles **

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RomioTango:

originally I was going to buy a ~2.6 AMD X3 but ended up getting at ~3.3 X2

[04:52:46]

RomioTango:

I think its 3.3 at least

[04:52:57]

wagnerrp:

[R]: think higher, you want a 4-way or 6-way

[04:53:00]

RomioTango:

the cpu was only $50...

[04:53:05]

[R]:

wagnerrp: too complicated

[04:53:05]

wagnerrp:

a whole orgy of execution cores

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[R]:

HAHA

[04:53:14]

RomioTango:

haha

[04:53:27]

RomioTango:

get an X3 and hope you can unlock the 4th ?

[04:54:10]

RomioTango:

gah I still have to set up all of my tuners :-\ haha

[04:54:30]

RomioTango:

time to learn how to set up a dual HDhomerun :)

[04:54:49]

wagnerrp:

make sure to use the device id, not the IP

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RomioTango:

wagnerrp, why do you say that?

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wagnerrp:

one way works, the other way doesnt

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[R]:

why would anyone set something up by ip when they dont have to

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[R]:

i wish i could use hostname for my backend

[04:55:49]

RomioTango:

mythbox0

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RomioTango:

mythbox1,2,3 for frontend boxes

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RomioTango:

speaking of frontend boxes .. I just finished my bedroom frontend last night.. P4 2.8ghz FX5700LE

[04:57:05]

wagnerrp:

poor choice

[04:57:29]

wagnerrp:

well, fine if free i suppose

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RomioTango:

that set of guts has been in two boxes.. ran as a primary desktop for 4 years, mythtv master backend for 3–4 years and is now FE

[04:57:52]

RomioTango:

wait now..

[04:57:56]

RomioTango:

no* 3 cases*

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wagnerrp:

but its going to be difficult to run that thing quietly, and its barely got enough power for ATSC playback

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[R]:

wagnerrp: you never have ANYTHING constructive to say about hardware.... lol

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RomioTango:

haha

[04:58:37]

RomioTango:

it doesn't do horrible

[04:58:54]

RomioTango:

I was playing 1080p for a bit.. very small bit

[04:58:55]

wagnerrp:

sure i do, just not when people are running slow enough hardware that its going to cause them problems

[04:59:03]

RomioTango:

like until the picture changed from a mostly black screen lol

[04:59:13]

wagnerrp:

you might get... 7mbps h264 out of that?

[04:59:25]

RomioTango:

probably in that ballpark

[04:59:35]

RomioTango:

but it did work for the intro to BBC's LIFE lol

[04:59:37]

wagnerrp:

closer to 10 if its CAVLC

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RomioTango:

I think it'll be going out in the shop before too long.. i'm just impressed with the life span i've gotten out of that hardware tho

[05:01:44]

wagnerrp:

its still plenty fast for a lot of things, but HD video playback is starting to stretch it

[05:01:50]

RomioTango:

its burnt 1 ps, 1 hdd and I had replace the fans in the current ps yesterday

[05:02:25]

wagnerrp:

ive got a similarly marginal machine as a test frontend, 1.93 AthXP

[05:02:36]

RomioTango:

yeah I know.. I just can't seem to be willing to let it go .. it was my first build..

[05:03:59]

RomioTango:

this audio thing with my ati card is driving me nuts

[05:04:14]

wagnerrp:

spend $30, get an nvidia one

[05:04:20]

wagnerrp:

or is it onboard?

[05:04:32]

RomioTango:

I could have sworn it worked fine in a linux live cd (ubuntu 10.10).. I'm running mythbuntu 10.10 but it doesn't :-\

[05:05:08]

RomioTango:

it's onboard which is why I'd like to get it to work... at this point I think its most of just not being willing to accept defeat lol

[05:07:28]

RomioTango:

I just think its strange that mixer only has an IEC958 switch under the HDA ATI HDMI (Alsa mixer) Device

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wagnerrp:

is this guy on the -users list seriously trying to channel bond powerline and wireless together?

[05:15:07]

iamlindoro:

gotta get your backend goodies somehow

[05:15:12]

wagnerrp:

the madness of some people knows no bounds

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[R]:

doesn't 2xsucks = twice the suck?

[05:16:07]

wagnerrp:

sucks like a hoover

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RomioTango:

haha

[05:16:41]

RomioTango:

this is Madness... this is MythTV!

[05:17:10]

wagnerrp:

does that mean we get to kick him down a well?

[05:17:43]

RomioTango:

yes sir

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wagnerrp:

huzzah!

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RomioTango:

haha

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RomioTango:

so I'm thinking alsa just sucks

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RomioTango:

any good alternative?

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wagnerrp:

not really

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wagnerrp:

theres ALSA and OSS

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wagnerrp:

and each have their own quirks

[05:19:20]

achew22:

has anyone seen messages like this before from mythbackend? http://pastebin.com/nj9bZRxE ? I am completely lost

[05:19:46]

RomioTango:

wagnerrp, do you think oss would possibly work with this card?

[05:19:57]

RomioTango:

would it handle sound over hdmi?

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wagnerrp:

no clue

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wagnerrp:

note that those are the only two interfaces with any real form of hardware support

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RomioTango:

wagnerrp, but you're wagnerrp .... i can't believe what I'm reading

[05:20:31]

RomioTango:

I won't believe what I'm reading.. lo

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wagnerrp:

anything else, esd, arts, jack, pulse... they all just sit on top of one of those two interfaces

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RomioTango:

yeah

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RomioTango:

would there be any reason why pulse would have been able to control hdmi out where straight alsa fails?

[05:21:40]

wagnerrp:

quite the opposite

[05:21:45]

wagnerrp:

pulse does not allow bitstreaming

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RomioTango:

thats what i assumed

[05:22:42]

RomioTango:

well this is just.. depressing

[05:22:55]

wagnerrp:

aww... non-matching name on monday night's castle

[05:22:58]

RomioTango:

i mean at least i can pump audio out in mythtv via calling out the specific device

[05:23:41]

[R]:

wagnerrp: cat6?

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[R]:

is that what people use these days?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: thats what people used five years ago

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[R]:

hrm, i have 5e

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wagnerrp:

5e is good enough for gigabit, 6 is preferred

[05:24:55]

wagnerrp:

and 6a is preferred for 10gbit

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[R]:

i only have 100mbit hardware

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RomioTango:

wish i had found this about a month ago....

[05:25:16]

RomioTango:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . 50&num=1

[05:25:30]

[R]:

does it say how much ATI sucks?

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wagnerrp:

plus you know, i really like that plastic divider that runs down the middle of cat6

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[R]:

why?

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RomioTango:

[R], ATI hardware doesn't suck.. their support does?

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RomioTango:

lol

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[R]:

QED... ATI sucks

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wagnerrp:

it just give the cable a bit more stiffness

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RomioTango:

b/c [R] .. you gotta keep them separated

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wagnerrp:

easier to deal with than without it IMO

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[R]:

hrm

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[R]:

i dunno if stiffness is always good...

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** [R] giggles **

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RomioTango:

eh I like my reasoning more

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biffhero:

stiffness is often good.

[05:27:02]

RomioTango:

haha

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RomioTango:

wow.. we're all nerds

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biffhero:

lack of stiffness is often bad.

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RomioTango:

then again I think being on IRC on a friday night pretty much verifies our nerdiness

[05:27:51]

RomioTango:

my girlfriend is asleep in my bed and I'm out here working on this server..

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biffhero:

I got Grey's Anatomy going on the TV, and my hot blonde wife is 3 feet away. She's got a cold, so I might as well be working all night.

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[R]:

oh no

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RomioTango:

biffhero, rather modest about the wife eh? ;)

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[R]:

how did that happen...

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wagnerrp:

come on...

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RomioTango:

she's reading what you type isn't she....

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biffhero:

heh. srsly. soooo hot.

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wagnerrp:

"Poof! You're Dead" matches, but "Poof, You're Dead" doesnt?

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RomioTango:

what?

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biffhero:

wagnerrp: Agreed.

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[R]:

i just opened my last box of super terrific candy canes :(

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RomioTango:

I'm just going to buy this beast...http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500175

[05:31:06]

RomioTango:

but then I'll want to game on it more than watch tv lol

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biffhero:

there's more heat sink than there is card!

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mattwj20021:

:P

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wagnerrp:

biffhero: isnt there always on modern hardware?

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mattwj20021:

has anyone seen the new hdhomerun dual?

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RomioTango:

I know.. I like it :)

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biffhero:

At first blush I think, "you can get that much power in through those PCI card slots?

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wagnerrp:

biffhero: PCIe is rated for 75W

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RomioTango:

mattwj20021, no but I saw the one I just bought on newegg for <$70 ;)

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mattwj20021:

a dual?

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wagnerrp:

that card doesnt draw anything near that

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biffhero:

wagnerrp: guess 75W can heat things up.

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RomioTango:

mattwj2002, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 03-_-Product

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mattwj2002:

or is that the single tuner

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wagnerrp:

that card probably tops out around 40W or so

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mattwj2002:

oh recertified

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RomioTango:

keep an eye on newegg.. they have them every so often

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mattwj2002:

I won't mind having another one

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mattwj2002:

hehe

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mattwj2002:

4 shows at once!

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mattwj2002:

:D

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RomioTango:

haha

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RomioTango:

i have over 4 tvs so...

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RomioTango:

lol

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mattwj2002:

well here is the deal

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RomioTango:

once I buy a house I want to put a weatherproof touchscreen in my shower

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wagnerrp:

you spend that much time standing in there doing nothing?

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RomioTango:

want to be able to watch news/listen to music/check email while in the shower

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mattwj2002:

with tv there are so many times there are good programs on at the same time

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biffhero:

s/nothing/something/

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mattwj2002:

then other times it just sits and idles

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biffhero:

he can leave his wife in the bed then, and still go to the shower!

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mattwj2002:

lots of good and bad times

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RomioTango:

biffhero, how'd you know..

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RomioTango:

u must do it too

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biffhero:

married for 15 years. I have heard that couples do things together, but couldn't prove it by me.

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

you and your wife do nothing together? O_o

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mattwj2002:

how did you ever get married then?

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RomioTango:

lol

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RomioTango:

well my dog just ran back in my bedroom and jumped on my gf.. i should prob call it a night soon

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biffhero:

that was back when we were first married.

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mattwj2002:

biffhero: you need to have some common interest

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mattwj2002:

keep the marriage alive

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mattwj2002:

:)

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biffhero:

heh, thanks.

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Pitabred:

Hey all. Anyone know if much changed with Myth .24 and lirc? I'm getting some really weird behavior

[05:40:30]

mattwj2002:

heck as a single guy I at least wish I had a girlfriend

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mattwj2002:

your very lucky to have a nice wife

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wagnerrp:

Pitabred: could you be more specific?

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RomioTango:

I'm extremely lucky.. my gf does laundry and cleans :)

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RomioTango:

lol

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mattwj2002:

:D

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biffhero:

RomioTango: I got those magic drawers, too.

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RomioTango:

its pretty awesome.. have to admit

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RomioTango:

think she's just working for a ring though lol

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biffhero:

yes, it is.

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mattwj2002:

lol

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Pitabred:

I'm getting very odd behavior. irw shows commands fine, but it's like all buttons are pressed twice. Weirdest part is if I turn lircd off, the remote still controls mythtv (but not all buttons are mapped right)

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RomioTango:

:-\ lol jk

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wagnerrp:

Pitabred: is it possible your device shows up as a HID input, and is used directly?

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Pitabred:

I've tested with 2.6.37 and the 2.6.35 (running mythbuntu), and they both show the same behavior

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Pitabred:

Hrm... could be. any idea how I would go about checking that? I'm not terribly familiar with HID

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RomioTango:

well sir's have great nights

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RomioTango:

biffhero, tell the Mrs to get better..

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mattwj2002:

have a good night RomioTango

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biffhero:

will do. goodnight.

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RomioTango:

thank you sir's ... and remember... THIS IS MythTV!

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Pitabred:

wagnerrp: not seeing the remote turn up as an HID device in dmesg. Only seeing my USB connected UPS

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Pitabred:

wagnerrp: nm. It's showing up in /proc/bus/input/devices. I'll start poking around there. Thanks!

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Pitabred:

Found my solution: echo lirc > /sys/class/rc/rc0/protocols

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Pitabred:

Disabled the HID from trying to handle the other protocols. Just so this solution is kept in the IRC logs for someone else ;) Thanks again for the hint wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

good to hear

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Beirdo:

cat /dev/beer0 >> /dev/belly

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wagnerrp:

ugh... ttvdb lookups for The Good Guys are failing

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wagnerrp:

since it doesnt have the (2010)

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Beirdo:

ugh

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Beirdo:

that's unfortunate

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wagnerrp:

yet another show fox cut down in its prime

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Beirdo:

seriously?

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wagnerrp:

not cancelled per se

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Beirdo:

you know what I think of Fox

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wagnerrp:

just no renewed

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wagnerrp:

not sure what the difference is

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Beirdo:

maybe TBS will pick it up :)

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wagnerrp:

it is/was a great show

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

(Dan Stark)++

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wagnerrp:

HAHAHA

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wagnerrp:

check out the description... http://thetvdb.com/?tab=series&id=73282&lid=7

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

I know this is a dumb question but I'll ask it anyways

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mattwj2002:

how does a secondary backend work?

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kormoc:

42

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xtort-:

well.

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mattwj2002:

:P

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kormoc:

mattwj2002, when two backends love each other very much...

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mattwj2002:

not how well....what does it do exactly

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mattwj2002:

:P

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wagnerrp:

the same thing as the master backend, but no scheduler

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wagnerrp:

serves files, records shows

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wagnerrp:

everything you would logically expect a secondary backend to do

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mishehu:

alright time to try to fight this pvr250 a little again.

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Arsenick:

Hi all, I still stuck with a weird problem on my brand new fedora 14 install... Mythtv setup is done, I've tested my card with a cat /dev/video0 > test.avi and it's working fine even has sound. In the backend log everything looks right... nothing weird. But when I start the frontend I can't get live tv. it work for 10seconds without sounds, and after that the frontend doesn't respond anymore... I have to kill it.. Anyone got a clue ? ;) I'm runn

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Arsenick:

ing out of ideas..

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biffhero:

arsenick: are you using samba on the front end?

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Arsenick:

biffhero: nop at least, not the server..

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biffhero:

I had a front end which wouldn't work with live tv at all while I was mounting the video directories via samba. but it was different from yours b/c my live TV never showed anything at all.

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Arsenick:

ok

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biffhero:

once I went to NFS mounts from the front end to the back end, all was good.

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biffhero:

this would kill my FE as well.

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Arsenick:

I'm testing the front end on the same computer where's the backend

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biffhero:

oh.

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Arsenick:

I just don't know where to look now..

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Arsenick:

the only thing I suspect is the sound

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biffhero:

yeah, especially since it works straight away.

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biffhero:

yeah, and my FE logfile has always been pretty verbose when there are sound problems. "waiting for sound", etc.

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Arsenick:

When I start the front end the sound in my session are not working anymore.. so there's probably something wrong with it, and maybe it affect the playback..

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Arsenick:

the only weird msg is AudioOutput Warning: mmap not available, attempting to fall back to slow writes

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biffhero:

does it always work for exactly 10 seconds, or does it sometimes work for 10 seconds, and sometimes for 14...

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Arsenick:

and when it stop working Player(0): Waited 100ms for video buffers AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUuuL

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Arsenick:

hmm I would say it's always the same amount of time

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biffhero:

I got some of those.

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biffhero:

2011-01–14 20:29:12.391 Player(6): Waited 100ms for video buffers AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaL

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biffhero:

but for me, that's happening when I play a DVD. TV recording playback is fine.

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Arsenick:

this sounds like a problem of having video and audio synced..

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biffhero:

come to think of it, my sound works for a while, and then stops. but I don't have it always the same amount of time. Sometimes 10 seconds, sometimes 5, sometimes minutes.

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Arsenick:

when the live tv play it looks like he slow down the playback to catch with sound or something like that..

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biffhero:

yeah, I think they can do stuff like that.

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Arsenick:

would be easier if I was using ubuntu on this one :P

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Arsenick:

it's bad everything was fine with my Fedora 13 install

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Arsenick:

I mean, my card is a hauppauge-wintv-pvr-150 I've read it's one of the most easy card to setup.. lol

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biffhero:

mine is on ubuntu with pvr250

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biffhero:

well, since you can read from the card to an avi, that's a good sign.

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biffhero:

back when mine was failing live TV with .23 like I explained above, I simply didn't watch live TV, and did everything via recordings

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biffhero:

can you record with yours?

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Arsenick:

I don't know I haven't tryed

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Arsenick:

my mythweb seems to have problems too

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biffhero:

oh.

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Arsenick:

biffhero: http://pastebin.com/342ULXWz I get those message when I start a recording :p

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Arsenick:

again, sound..

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biffhero:

do you have settings in the setup screens that says your sound is 32000Hz? Maybe it needs to be set to 48000

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Arsenick:

I've search where to change the Audio sample rate and I have found nothing..

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biffhero:

yeah, I don't know, either.

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Arsenick:

biffhero: I just tested to play the recording in the FE and it crashed like it did with live tv. played with vlc, the video isn't good

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biffhero:

that's good news. I would say that points pretty definitely at the recording settings.

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Arsenick:

so video with cat /dev/video0 [...] is good, anything coming ou of mythtv is not working... what can I learn from that :P

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biffhero:

the recording settings have a ton of options.

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biffhero:

myth isn't recording by simply opening up /dev/video. It's doing something funny to capture.

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Arsenick:

biffhero: yep something soooo funny :P

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fa2k:

hi, i have a terratec USB card for DVB, I can find channels using vlc, "scan", and kaffeine, but not with mythtv-setup... what could be wrong ?

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fa2k:

the country option is not in mythtv, but i don't even get any channels when i import channels.conf

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ikevin:

hi

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ikevin:

anyone know where i can found the list of available "function" that i can apply on image for template?

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ikevin:

does http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development is up to date? my template have code who is not in this page, and code availlable on this page do nothing if i use them

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stuartm:

ikevin: that is up to date, but maybe the theme you are editing is not? Which theme, and which window/screen?

[14:14:28]

ikevin:

it's a theme called blue-abstract, it's for designing shuffle and repeat button on mythmusic

[14:14:43]

ikevin:

i would to set logos to replace buton

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stuartm:

ikevin: mythmusic hasn't been ported to use the new UI code yet

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ikevin:

ok, maybe it's the reason ^^'

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ikevin:

can i find the old ui doc?

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stuartm:

ikevin: see metallurgy as an example of using icons for shuffle/repeat in mythmusic with the old code

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stuartm:

ikevin: no documentation was ever written for the old code

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ikevin:

ok, i check for metallurgy

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ikevin:

thx

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stuartm:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy/metallurgy51.png

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ikevin:

i've see for metallurgy, it's not really what i want so that be sufficient :]

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ikevin:

thx

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stuartm:

mythmusic is being written to use the new code and will hopefully be finished for 0.25

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ikevin:

another question, for progressbar, i've actualy file for 0%, 5%, 10%, ... if i make image 1%, 2%, 3%, does the progressbar will work with new image too?

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wagnerrp:

'nuh hu, the ATV is the perfect frontend'

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stuartm:

it's been amusing and a little sad to see so many people claiming that this is finally the age when Arm replaces x86 ... completely ignoring the fact that no Arm processor currently being manufactured comes close to the power of x86 processors and would therefore be a step backwards, not forwards

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stuartm:

even sadder that one comment the other day went something like "Yay, finally we can get rid of that useless 64bit addressing rubbish, ARM doesn't need that"

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clever:

:(

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JediMaster420:

I have a hardware question, is any DVB-S USB device the same as the next or are there quality issues?

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_abbenormal:

would depend on the device but most usb are the same as the pci cards

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_abbenormal:

most even have the same chip set on them

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JediMaster420:

could the same be said for usb card readers?

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_abbenormal:

those are a simple device so id say yes

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JediMaster420:

my DM500 isn't preforming as well as expected so I'm trying to build a receiver out of a Nettop

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Arsenick:

Someone here have a clue what can cause mythtv to have problem recording, or showing Live TV when a cat /dev/video0 > test.avi work perfectly and with sound ? Mythtv is totally unable to work with my card which is a wintv pvr-150... Anyone ?? :P

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wagnerrp:

JediMaster420: USB card readers?

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wagnerrp:

Arsenick: sounds like you have your tuner set up as a V4L tuner rather than an MPEG encoder

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Arsenick:

wagnerrp: nop it's setup to ivtv mpg-2 encoder card with input set to tuner1

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Arsenick:

I can get live tv for about 10 secondes

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Arsenick:

*seconds

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Arsenick:

without sounds

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Arsenick:

and the stream seems to be slowly like a slow replay..

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wagnerrp:

can you take those recordings and play them externally?

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Arsenick:

they are not clean, I mean if I try to play them with vlc the recording is exactly as it showed in FE

[17:02:15]

Arsenick:

but if I cat the device, it's perfect, event have sound..

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Arsenick:

let's say I'm using Fedora and PulseAudio..

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wagnerrp:

only has any relevance during playback

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Arsenick:

I was suspecting it could have an impact on live tv too, you know sync video with audio..

[17:03:23]

wagnerrp:

and mythbackend shouldnt be doing anything significantly different that 'cat'

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wagnerrp:

livetv is nothing more than playback of a recording

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Arsenick:

ok

[17:04:06]

wagnerrp:

theres a bit of extra glue in there to make channel changing work

[17:04:15]

wagnerrp:

but it still records straight to disk like any scheduled recording

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Arsenick:

so I'm running out of ideas... few persons here helped me but I can't figure what's the probleme

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wagnerrp:

if 'cat' can produce viable video, mythtv should be able to as well

[17:05:14]

wagnerrp:

only thing i can suggest is delete all your tuner cards in mythtv-setup, and try again

[17:05:44]

Arsenick:

it's been 10times now :P even has started over with a new database and everything..

[17:06:28]

Arsenick:

I've found that when I start the FE the sound im my session are not available anymore

[17:06:32]

wagnerrp:

when you add the card, you select 'mpeg-2 encoder card', it autodetect the card, and you just hit 'next' for everything?

[17:06:36]

Arsenick:

I have to kill the pulseaudio process..

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wagnerrp:

did you change anything from the defaults in the card setup?

[17:07:09]

wagnerrp:

that is correct, by default, mythtv will suspend pulseaudio so it can access ALSA directly

[17:07:17]

wagnerrp:

when mythfrontend closes, it should re-activate pulseaudio

[17:07:43]

Arsenick:

during all my test yes. But for now I kept most of the default setting, anyway there's not a lot of setting regarding the tuner card other than the type, and the input you want to use..

[17:07:55]

Arsenick:

when the FE start to bug it show msg like this: Waited 100ms for video buffers AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUuuL

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wagnerrp:

and youre using /dev/video0 ?

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Arsenick:

yep

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Arsenick:

my video card is a ATI

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Arsenick:

I don't think it can cause any problem.. do you ?

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wagnerrp:

if VLC can play from 'cat', but cant play any of the recordings, it shouldnt matter

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Arsenick:

it's not supposed to be related with recording lol.. but I'm so lost in this problem..

[17:12:15]

wagnerrp:

you can test it by running one of your cat'ted recordings through 'mythavtest <filename>'

[17:13:53]

Arsenick:

sure

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Arsenick:

Player(0): Video is 30 frames ahead of audio,

[17:14:00]

Arsenick:

doubling video frame interval to slow down.

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Arsenick:

and the video show exactly the same as live tv

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iamlindoro:

means audio is misconfigured

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stuartm:

wow, Windows _still_ can't read ID3v2.4 tags?

[17:18:15]

wagnerrp:

id3? whats that? we use WMA over here

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Arsenick:

iamlindoro: sounds like that.. but I can't find "real" audio option.. lol

[17:20:20]

iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->General, Page 3, 4, or both depending on Myth version

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iamlindoro:

The above from within mythfrontend

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iamlindoro:

As your logs indicate the problem is with sound output, not sound capture

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: sure, but if the recorded files dont play with VLC either...

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Arsenick:

yup that's why it should be a capture problem..

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Then he likely has a systemwide audio problem

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wagnerrp:

but recordings made through 'cat /dev/video0 > some_file' play fine in VLC

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iamlindoro:

Is he running a version of mythtv that suspends pulse at startup?

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iamlindoro:

ie, is he testing the cat method without myth running, and the recorded with

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wagnerrp:

yes

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iamlindoro:

Then that explains your VLC issue

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Arsenick:

2011-01–15 12:13:07.612 Pulse: PulseAudio suspend OK

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wagnerrp:

so the recordings are likely fine, and its all related to pulse?

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** wagnerrp just so loved pulseaudio **

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iamlindoro:

It's as good a theory as any

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iamlindoro:

I'm just saying if you start MFE and have it in the BG with Pulse suspended and you try to play anything in VLC, it will fail

[17:26:41]

iamlindoro:

since it's a systemwide suspend

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, I only said something because the *myth* video buffer error message (and subsequent "30 frames behind" message) means that the audio buffer isn't getting filled, which in 99% of instances is because it can't initialize the audio hardware

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iamlindoro:

good luck, have to run to a meeting ;)

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JediMaster420:

wagnerrp: yeah ISO 7816 card reader, gonna turn a smapp PC in to a receiver

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Arsenick:

hehe thanks

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JediMaster420:

small*

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Arsenick:

ho god

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Arsenick:

it's working

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Arsenick:

I've set the FE audio device to ALSA:pulse

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Arsenick:

wow...

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wagnerrp:

JediMaster420: mythtv does not support smart card readers

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stuartm:

mythtv supports cams

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wagnerrp:

but only if they are slotted directly into the tuner card

[17:44:34]

wagnerrp:

the tuner card must provide unencrypted video

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not support pulling encrypted video from a tuner, and running it through a detached CAM

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stuartm:

yup

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JediMaster420:

yeah I know, I gotta run cs and cam on same box

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wagnerrp:

no, you need to get a tuner card with a built in CI slot

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wagnerrp:

stupid netgear switch

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FabriceMG:

:)

[18:12:35]

FabriceMG:

use linksys

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wagnerrp:

had one, fan burned up, switch was soon to follow

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FabriceMG:

wagnerrp, in 0.24 fixe again 1 problem with rollingbuffer in livetv

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wagnerrp:

rollingbuffer?

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FabriceMG:

the swap

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wagnerrp:

if youre using swap, you need to buy more memory

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FabriceMG:

at the end program (xmltv) , he save the program and start 1 new program, sometime he crash

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wagnerrp:

you mean where the frontend tears down one playback instance, and starts up a new one on a new file

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FabriceMG:

defaut swap of backend (9400 Ko)

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wagnerrp:

that 'HD Ringbuffer' setting does absolutely nothing

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wagnerrp:

its a hold over from when livetv actually used a ringbuffer, rather than storing everything to disk

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wagnerrp:

that setting hasnt done anything since mythtv 0.19

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FabriceMG:

if the xmltv change, he save last program (record) and he start a new program ( record)

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FabriceMG:

sometime he stop livetv, abd back at menu

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wagnerrp:

not sure what would cause a livetv instance to fail in that manner

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wagnerrp:

does it ever happen when changing channels manually?

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FabriceMG:

also

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FabriceMG:

For information, we'll reopen in a few days, the channel # mythtv-fr on freenode for the Francophone community

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fa2k:

I'd like to try and bypass the scanning (which does not work). Is there a way to input channels manually in mythtv, without checking them?

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wagnerrp:

analog or digital?

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fa2k:

digital dvb

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wagnerrp:

no, you must scan

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fa2k:

ok :(

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stuartm:

make sure that you've configured correctly and if scanning really doesn't work then submit a bug report

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stuartm:

honestly scanning does work for most people, so it seems unlikely that it's broken for you

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fa2k:

ok, i have tried tweaking the timeouts, is there anything else i can try

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stuartm:

it's not finding any channels?

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fa2k:

that's right, no channels, even when i provide a working channels.conf

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stuartm:

double check that you've configured the correct frequency table, if using DVB-S ensure you have properly configured Diseqc

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fa2k:

ok i'll do that (i'm currently reinstalling mythtv)

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stuartm:

make sure the card is correctly setup as a DVB card (vs ivtv, or anything else)

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fa2k:

it is set up as a DVB (v3.0) card

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fa2k:

DVB-T

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fa2k:

w_scan does not work on that machine, that may be related

[19:50:29]

fa2k:

scan works, but is a bit dodgy (doesn't always find the channels)

[19:51:39]

fa2k:

and i can watch TV in other apps

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stuartm:

which frequency table did you use and which country are you in?

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fa2k:

i'm in france, but close to switzerland. using "france" in mythtv. i used fr-Annecy, fr-Lyon-*, fr-Gex, ch-Geneva with scan (didn't really need all)

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fa2k:

actually, i had europe-west in the general settings , and france for the video source, i'm trying with both on france

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** fa2k is trying a full scan, haven't tried that in a while **

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stuartm:

which version of MythTV are you using? That should have been set to 'france' automatically with a new install of 0.24

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fa2k:

0.24–2.fc14

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fa2k:

i have probably changed it

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fa2k:

no luck on the full scan

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fa2k:

i guess i have to file a bug :S

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wagnerrp:

sphery: this time, i think theyve gone too far... http://gizmodo.com/5734541

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blizzard_:

how do I get mythtv to support VAAPI?

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wagnerrp:

you get hired by AMD, and work on stabilizing their support of it

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blizzard_:

ah

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blizzard_:

bought a sony vaio for my GF for her birthday

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blizzard_:

intel HD chipset

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blizzard_:

wants to let her use the frontend

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wagnerrp:

GMA HD? or X4500 HD?

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blizzard_:

the intel version

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blizzard_:

so GMA i believe

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wagnerrp:

those are both intel

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blizzard_:

oh, i915 is the driver

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blizzard_:

it's been hell to get working

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wagnerrp:

is it an i3/i5? or is it one of the older Core2 chips

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blizzard_:

i3

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blizzard_:

I like the puter

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wagnerrp:

an i3 should have plenty of power on its own

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blizzard_:

except for the hell the gfx chipset gives me

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wagnerrp:

just use software decoding, the opengl renderer, and be done with it

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blizzard_:

yeah, I can run the frontend pretty good on its own

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blizzard_:

thats what I do now

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blizzard_:

but my other frontend, the htpc, with ION2/VPDAU gives a better picture in my opinion

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blizzard_:

so that was what I had as reference

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wagnerrp:

thats nothing to do with VAAPI

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blizzard_:

and I think this box will have problem when it comes to playing HD without hardware acceleration...

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blizzard_:

isnt VAAPI intels hardware accelerated interface?

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blizzard_:

without it = no w accel?

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wagnerrp:

your opinion of video outputs on an nvidia card using the VDPAU decoders and scalers has absolutely no relevance to the VAAPI vs. FFMPEG decoders

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wagnerrp:

there are too many factors in play there to output the video

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blizzard_:

yah

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blizzard_:

but

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blizzard_:

aint VAAPI/VPDAU two ways of getting hardware acceleration?

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wagnerrp:

and there is nothing saying the VAAPI decoders will look any better than the libav* decoders

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wagnerrp:

correct, VAAPI and VDPAU are both hardware acceleration APIs

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blizzard_:

this box has a 1.2Ghz cpu

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wagnerrp:

but they are completely different APIs, using completely different hardware implementations

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blizzard_:

so without hardware acceleration, I dont stand a chanse playing HD

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wagnerrp:

eew... one of the ULV mobile units

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blizzard_:

yes

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blizzard_:

slim one with 9 hours battery time

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blizzard_:

perfect for her needs

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blizzard_:

and in my opinion optimal as it has hardware accelerated gfx

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blizzard_:

but, as you might have noticed, doesnt really work out as I expected =)

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wagnerrp:

no, acceptable as it has hardware accelerated video decoding

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wagnerrp:

except in mythtv where VAAPI support exists, but is at best developmental grade

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ComradeHaz`:

Hi guys, how can I use .srt subtitles files?

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blizzard_:

she doesnt game, she uses the web, mail flash for on-demand tv channels, and mythfrontend...

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wagnerrp:

our video guy was working on it months back, had it somewhat working

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wagnerrp:

but gave up on it since the drivers were not sufficiently reliable

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blizzard_:

okee, so there's still light in the end of the tunnel, better cross my fingers and hope it's not a train =)

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wagnerrp:

and the AMD stuff was downright garbage

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blizzard_:

aish

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blizzard_:

I actually had to grab the intel kernel fork of 2.6.37 to get X working with the intel driver =(

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wagnerrp:

[26099]

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MythLogBot:

SVN 26099: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/9ffab567

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blizzard_:

again, I like the VPDAU...

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blizzard_:

ah well

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blizzard_:

still works with SD playback..

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wagnerrp:

well, you might want to read through the comments here... http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8593

[20:35:07]

wagnerrp:

and if youre daring and know your way around c++, you may attempt patching them in and compiling

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wagnerrp:

but understand youre basically on your own as far as support is concerned

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blizzard_:

extremly basic c++ knowledge..

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blizzard_:

I believe that using SD atm and waiting for some eager minded c++/video guru has the same need, is the way in gonna play it =)

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blizzard_:

hm

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wagnerrp:

that guru would be the owner of that ticket

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blizzard_:

correct me if im wrong

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blizzard_:

but the opengl renderer in myth...

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blizzard_:

doesnt it call on the opengl part of X

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blizzard_:

and if that's accelerated by the X driver....

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blizzard_:

could that be a way around the problem?

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wagnerrp:

what do you think opengl would be doing in that case?

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ikevin:

in template, does progressbar is global or can i define a progressbar specific for music?

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wagnerrp:

blizzard_: the hard part is decoding the video, which can only be done in software or VDPAU at the moment

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blizzard_:

oh, ok

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blizzard_:

milestone 0.25 deleted =I

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wagnerrp:

opengl and xv provide scaling and colorspace conversion

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wagnerrp:

which are very intensive tasks in their own right, but are not tasks that mythtv will attempt to do in software

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wagnerrp:

the unaccelerated outputs in mythtv are for debugging purposes only, and are unscaled

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ComradeHaz`:

Hey guys, how do I make text subtitles in frontend bigger?

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blizzard_:

com: you got settings for that in the frontend =)

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wagnerrp:

the benefit of opengl over xv is that opengl can composite your OSD in using the graphics shaders

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blizzard_:

com: dont know where by hand, but check the settings/playback part

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wagnerrp:

while with xv, you must scale, convert, and composite the OSD in software, before sending it to the video card

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wagnerrp:

opengl also has the advantage of having several deinterlace filters being written in shader code

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blizzard_:

I like deinterlace

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blizzard_:

ComradeHaz: try this: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/subtitle-change-myt . . . layer-11150/

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blizzard_:

brb

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, that's crazy

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sphery:

and after watching a movie, your eyelids will be ripped with muscles

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ComradeHaz`:

blizzard_: no, that's not gonna be it

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ComradeHaz`:

I'm talking text subtitles as opposed to normal ones.

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ComradeHaz`:

That is, subtitles from an srt file

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stanman246:

what ports are default for the local backend in mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

6543

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stanman246:

ok, and 6544 for status?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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stanman246:

ok. If i'm in mcc and i hit test connection, i get a red bullet, is that the reason why my frontend cannot connect to the master server?

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wagnerrp:

no clue, never used mcc or mythbuntu, or really even ubuntu for that matter

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wagnerrp:

is the backend running currently?

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stanman246:

hmm...

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stanman246:

i had 0.23 working, then upgraded to 0.24 and now i can't connect to the master server...

[21:02:52]

stanman246:

any idea how i can debug this?

[21:03:02]

wagnerrp:

is the backend running currently?

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stanman246:

how to check?

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wagnerrp:

'ps aux | grep mythbackend'

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stanman246:

i'm sure that the backend ip is set to the right up

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stanman246:

stanman 246 3943 0.0 0.0 3456 748 pts/2 S+ 22:04 0:00 grep --color=auto mythbackend

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stanman246:

that's the output

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wagnerrp:

so no, mythbackend is not running

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wagnerrp:

which explains why you cannot connect to it

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stanman246:

aha

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stanman246:

how do you know it's not running?

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wagnerrp:

and also explains why mcc is (correctly) telling you its not running

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stanman246:

i don't understand the output

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wagnerrp:

'ps ax' provides a list of all processes on the system

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wagnerrp:

'a' gives from all users

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wagnerrp:

and 'x' gives from those both with and without an attached terminal

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stanman246:

and 'u'?

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wagnerrp:

'grep' filters the output to only those lines containing the string 'mythbackend'

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wagnerrp:

the first column which tells what user is running the process

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stanman246:

but if i get an output, it means the mythbackend is running?

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wagnerrp:

that output was 'grep' itself

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wagnerrp:

ps was showing the instance of grep that you just ran

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stanman246:

ah ok

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stanman246:

if i enter mythbackend it should startup?

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stanman246:

if i do that it ends with:

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wagnerrp:

actually, you should start it up through your distro's startup scripts

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stanman246:

Scheduler, Error: No capture cards are define in the database. Perhaps you shoul re-read the installation instruction

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wagnerrp:

so in other words, you didnt upgrade, you installed fresh

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stanman246:

ok, so now i've started mythtv-backend i guess as i have 2 line when i run ps aux

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wagnerrp:

you started mythbackend, there is no mythtv-backend

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stanman246:

i did: sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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wagnerrp:

and it subsequently ran mythbackend

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stanman246:

and now i see /usr/bin/mythbackend --logfile /var/log/myth.... etc

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stanman246:

i gues so

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stanman246:

but my frontend still complaints there's no master server

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wagnerrp:

this is a frontend on the same machine as the backend?

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stanman246:

yes

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wagnerrp:

check 'ps' again, see if the backend is still running

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stanman246:

the backend log connected to 'mythconverg'

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stanman246:

it's running

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stanman246:

the log says: scheduler, error: no capture cards are defined in the database.

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stanman246:

and: Perhaps you should rtfm

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stanman246:

but there's no capture card installed on the machine yet

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wagnerrp:

when you run 'ps aux', the second column will be the process id

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wagnerrp:

every time you run that command, does the process id for mythbackend remain the same?

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stanman246:

no it changes if i stop and start the backend

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wagnerrp:

i figured the backend was complaining about an improper setup, terminating, and upstart was blindly restarting it

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wagnerrp:

either way, if you are getting that message in your logs, it still means you do not have mythtv configured correctly

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stanman246:

yes i think so too

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wagnerrp:

and mythbackend will refuse to accept connections before that is resolved

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stanman246:

it ends every time i try to start it

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stanman246:

so i need to configure mythtv further i guess. should i use mythtv-setup?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

you say you used to run 0.23 and you upgraded?

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stanman246:

i need to find some docs on what the settings should be

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stanman246:

well. I started with mythbuntu just last week. after some issues i got 0.23 working. but then i tried to view VIDEO_TS folders and understood i had to upgrade to 0.24

[21:32:04]

stanman246:

so i added the ppa to ubuntu, did an update/upgrade and all was gone

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wagnerrp:

so you never did have tuners set up?

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tgm4883:

all was gone?

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tgm4883:

like your computer and tv disappeared?

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stanman246:

no tuners yet, first i wanted to try to view avi's and listen to mp3's on the network

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stanman246:

in 0.23 i could view the avi's and listen to the mp3's

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stanman246:

on the master box and on my laptop running a frontend

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wagnerrp:

there was a sanity check added into the scheduler in the backend that makes it refuse to run without properly configured tuners

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stanman246:

aha

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stanman246:

that explains the lot

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wagnerrp:

while its intent was not specifically to prevent tunerless backend operation, such operation has never been officially supported

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stanman246:

so i need to push in a tuner first?

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wagnerrp:

so any changes that adversely affect such operation were not considered problematic

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stanman246:

so unless i have a tuner card configured in the machine i cannot use mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

real, fake, or otherwise, it needs something

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stanman246:

well... i have an old cinergy 400 somewhere around here... don't know if that 'll work on the machine

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stanman246:

i wanted to try mythtv so i could buy a dvb-c unit

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wagnerrp:

if you dont have a tuner card, there are mechanisms to fake one with an mpeg file

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wagnerrp:

if you have no intention of recording tv, you probably want to look towards something simpler like xbmc or boxee

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stanman246:

so far for the sanity check, i guess?

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wagnerrp:

you need a tuner, a source with at least one channel, and they need to be mapped together

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stanman246:

ok, then i'll google first to see if the cinergy 400 is supported

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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wagnerrp:

like i said, if youve got an mpeg file, you can create a dummy tuner just to get things working

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stanman246:

if i punch in the tv-card and it is supported, does mythtv see the card on itself or do i have to install drivers manually?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not support tuner cards, it supports tuner APIs

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wagnerrp:

you (or your distro) must install the drivers

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv will simply enumerate any supported devices exposed through those APIs

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ikevin:

do i've a way to get the volume always visible in mythmusic?

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stanman246:

wagnerrp, does the tuner need to have a channel? in other words, do i need to hook up the coax in order for it to work?

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stanman246:

i'll go for a mpeg2 dummy tuner first

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stanman246:

i set it as a demo tuner in mythtv-setup

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zoran119:

can i run jamu on a frontend machine, or does it have to be run on the backend where the video files are physicaly located?

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johnsu01:

so, I get this error every half hour (I think) watching live tv — "Error opening switch program buffer". I think it's because for some reason I'm not getting program information for this channel — it's listed as Unknown. Any ideas what I can do to fix either the error or the lack of program data?

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johnsu01:

it's v24, frontend and backend on the same machine, using Schedules Direct

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johnsu01:

for OTA hd tv

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wagnerrp:

zoran119: what version of mythtv are you running?

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zoran119:

0.24

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wagnerrp:

and this is for mythvideo content?

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sphery:

johnsu01: that's something that happens on program transition. The only reason guide data comes into play is that a channel with no guide data results in MythTV choosing to do a program transition at every top-of-the and half-past-the hour

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sphery:

it's not designed to happen that way, but no one has been able to fix it

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johnsu01:

sphery: hm, okay. I guess I'll investigate more why I have no guide data

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sphery:

so for some users it happens on almost every transition. for others it seldom happens

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johnsu01:

for this channel

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zoran119:

wagnerrp: yes it is

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sphery:

you'll likely have the same problem even with guide data--it would just happen between shows

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wagnerrp:

zoran119: so why do you need jamu?

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johnsu01:

sphery: hm, okay. Sounds like people are already well aware of the problem then?

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zoran119:

wagnerrp: maybe i don't understand what it does... but i want to mass fill the metadata for my videos (rather than going into the front end and pressing 'w' for each one)

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wagnerrp:

zoran119: mythtv will do that automatically when you scan for new content

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zoran119:

wagnerrp: fetch it from tmdb?

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sphery:

johnsu01: aware of the issue, but not how to fix it...

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wagnerrp:

zoran119: mythtv 0.24 will do a batch metadata update for any content not yet processed

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wagnerrp:

you can either call it manually, or have it run automatically when you scan in new contact

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Gibby:

any idea what this is? It happens anytime I try to play a video from just 1 of my FE's, http://pastebin.com/3eyMbZcK

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wagnerrp:

looks like a problem with your nvidia drivers

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wagnerrp:

what version?

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Gibby:

260.19.21

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wagnerrp:

pretty sure thats a known bad version

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zoran119:

wagnerrp: didn't see that (seems new in 0.24)

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zoran119:

wagnerrp: thank you

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wagnerrp:

zoran119: yes, its new in 0.24

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Gibby:

wierd no issues with it in months, upgrading it now

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wagnerrp:

at the moment, the only significant reason to run jamu is for artwork grabbing for recordings

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wagnerrp:

there is no similar capability in mythfrontend

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Beirdo:

is SD borked for anyone else right now (from mythfilldatabase)?

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Beirdo:

well, I guess technically, TMS is who the connection is to

[23:27:37]

Beirdo:

yeah, and a notice on schedulesdirect.org

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Beirdo:

fun

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sphery:

Beirdo: are you using --dd-grab-all ?

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Beirdo:

yes, Authentication failure

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sphery:

and mythfilldatabase didn't wipe all your data did it?

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Beirdo:

not that I know fo

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

was thinking some user said it does

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Beirdo:

let me check

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Beirdo:

still got piles scheduled

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Beirdo:

so I guess not

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

I didn't think it would do that, but hadn't had time to trace the code

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sphery:

so this was just a nice test :)

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sphery:

seems my run may have been before the failure? Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2011-01–15 16:55 EST

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sphery:

or maybe during it, but before the post to schedules direct

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kormoc:

Issues were happening off and on for a bit of the day

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sphery:

mine does say it didn't insert anything

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sphery:

guess I could look at mfdb log :)

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sphery:

heh, didn't fail for me

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Beirdo:

I'm sure it will be fixed soon enough

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sphery:

yeah, just wanted to make sure it doesn't wipe the listings--since if it does, then with --dd-grab-all, it would wipe all listings for the source

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Beirdo:

and that would be sucktacular

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sphery:

heh, haven't found the post, yet, but did find one with what may be the best subject line, ever: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 48067#348067

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sphery:

some overly-aggressive mail client that really didn't want to send a message without a subject

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Beirdo:

OMG

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sphery:

tried a test run and it worked :(

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Beirdo:

it could be fixed by now

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