Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, January 14th, 2011, 00:01 UTC

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jams:

i think some of the upper end creative have optical in

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Beirdo:

hmm

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Beirdo:

just thinking of how to hook a turntable to the PC for best recording

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: the nook color would be fantastic if it had one of those dual-mode screens

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Beirdo:

and optical isolation is the best way I can think of to be sure not to get funky ground looping

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: yeah, that would be sooo sweet

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Beirdo:

or if the bluetooth part of the chipset were connected/working

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Beirdo:

so far, no dice

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Beirdo:

then I could use a real keyboard

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

and be a total dork

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wagnerrp:

apparently someone has written a WPA crack GPU instance for EC2

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wagnerrp:

6 minutes and $1.68 per key

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Beirdo:

jeez

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wagnerrp:

and whats with these overhead track lighting networks?

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wagnerrp:

theyve been talking about them for several months nowwwwwwwwwwww

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wagnerrp:

but whats the purpose?

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wagnerrp:

why not just run a network line

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wagnerrp:

or use wireless

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Beirdo:

use kitty-net

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Beirdo:

connect a USB dongle to your cat's collar

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wagnerrp:

i really dont understand what it could ever be used for

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Beirdo:

beats me

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wagnerrp:

i mean in theory, its got far better possible performance than microwave

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wagnerrp:

in practice, you just cant pulse those things fast enough to be worthwhile

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wagnerrp:

and why would you want to be limited to LOS

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Beirdo:

hmm

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Beirdo:

http://www.amazon.com/Turtle-Beach-Montego-So . . . /B0009MFQ4Y/

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Beirdo:

fun

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Beirdo:

and yes, I'd need PCI

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wagnerrp:

what for?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

capturing via toslink

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wagnerrp:

well thats even more confusing

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Beirdo:

from a box that (granted) has USB out... but if I want to be able to optically isolate

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Beirdo:

this would be the alternative if capturing via the USB gives ground loops

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Beirdo:

setup... turntable -> phono preamp box with USB and optical -> soundcard

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Beirdo:

not sure it will be necessary though

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Beirdo:

the only spare box... has PCI available

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Beirdo:

otherwise, I could do PCI-Express with a top-end Creative Labs card too

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Beirdo:

I think the USB will work fine though

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Beirdo:

I love how most audio gear you can buy for your PC... ships with Audacity

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wagnerrp:

sure, why not? doesnt cost them anything

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Beirdo:

and it works well

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sphery:

regarding the hour-old global notice... why would someone use SSL for IRC to freenode?

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Beirdo:

why not?

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sphery:

since whatever they say goes out to eveyone else's unencrypted links...

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Beirdo:

hehe, but not what you say to nickserv

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Beirdo:

or chanserv

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sphery:

guess for PM's it doesn't necessarily, but...

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sphery:

oh, yeah, and the identify makes sense to encrypt

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Beirdo:

and also, it keeps your local IT from seeing what you're saying :)

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sphery:

so soon you all will see a rogue sphery appear after he grabs my identify

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sphery:

heh, yeah, unless the local IT is also in channel :)

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Beirdo:

hehe, of course

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sphery:

I wonder how many DB upgrades I've done today

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sphery:

testing this patch is annoying

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sphery:

especially since my proof that it works is that nothing changes after it's applied

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Beirdo:

heh

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Stevezau:

I cant seem to find the audio passthrough option using 0.24.. any ideas where it is??

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sphery:

advanced audio settings

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sphery:

or gone

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Stevezau:

nothing there either

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sphery:

then it's gone and auto-figured-out

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Stevezau:

hmm

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sphery:

I'm assuming, now, that you meant the passthrough audio output device

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Stevezau:

yep

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sphery:

yeah, it figures it out automatically

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Stevezau:

i want to passthrough to my amp via hdmi cable

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sphery:

you just tell it whether or not to use passthrough

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Stevezau:

oh ok

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Stevezau:

thanks

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Stevezau:

ill play with it

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sphery:

there, trying to keep up with wagnerrp, I pushed a change to the php code

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Stevezau:

I seem to have a weird issue where if im watching a hd channel for example.. i could have a person in focus on the screen and the picture will loop around him.. The background is kinda out of focus, when the picture moves around him the out of focus bg kinda shutters a bit.. its not smooth at all.. can that be fixed with a setting?? Im using ion2 gt218

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sphery:

are you talking about combing effects?

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Stevezau:

sorry sphery you have to bare with me.. what do you mean?

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sphery:

looking for a nice picture of combing

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sphery:

http://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki/Decomb

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sphery:

top picture in it

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sphery:

the fuzzy lines in 2 different places thing from interlaced video

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Stevezau:

ahh

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Stevezau:

even playing amkv i get it

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sphery:

if that's the problem, you may just need to adjust your playback profiles

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sphery:

You probably want to start by choosing VDPAU Slim, then if it works, try out VDPAU Normal and or VDPAU High

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Stevezau:

im using VDPAU Normal.. high is to much for my gpu

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sphery:

that should already have deinteracing set up

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sphery:

so... not sure what it could be

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Stevezau:

hm k

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Stevezau:

ill playt with settings

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iamlindoro:

No, this is the "totally inappropriate encoding settings" issue

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iamlindoro:

namely, someone choosing a huge and non-compliant number of reference frames

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iamlindoro:

(and then wanting to use them with VDPAU

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iamlindoro:

)

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sphery:

ahhh

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sphery:

so needs re-ripping/re-encoding

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iamlindoro:

Stevezau, hardware decoding (like VDPAU) is limited to fixed, standards compliant encoding profiles-- if you have encoded your content with too many reference frames, then it won't work properly with VDPAU

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iamlindoro:

you can use software decode and the content will play fine

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Stevezau:

ah

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Stevezau:

that uses cpu right

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iamlindoro:

yes

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sphery:

or re-rip so you can use VDPAU (and an underpowered CPU)

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iamlindoro:

You may be able to use the vdpaubuffersize filter to artificially make it more tolerant to the bad encodes-- but you risk robbing peter to pay paul by hogging up resources that are needed elsewhere

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Vdpau#Filters

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iamlindoro:

But all in all, software decode is the proven, working solution

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wagnerrp:

Stevezau: depending on what encoder you use, there will likely be profiles available online that are VDPAU compliant

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wagnerrp:

anything listed for DXVA should work with VDPAU

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Stevezau:

ill try software decode..

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Stevezau:

and filter settings..

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Stevezau:

thanks guys

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kormoc:

Stevezau, on a ion? HD? won't work

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Stevezau:

kormoc ion2

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter

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wagnerrp:

all Atom processors are garbage

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Stevezau:

hmm

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Stevezau:

just so i understand, whats the reason it wont work?

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wagnerrp:

what specifically? hardware decode or software decode?

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iamlindoro:

software decode won't work because the processor sucks

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Stevezau:

shuttle xs35gt

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iamlindoro:

hardware won't because you've encoded with settings that don't match a supported H.264 profile

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kormoc:

Stevezau, software h264 decoding uses a *ton* of cpu power. You don't have that. It's why a bunch of us don't recomment the ion/atom platform as once you can't use VDPAU, you're SOL

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Shadow__X:

nor recommend

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Stevezau:

kormoc i never knew VDPAU had theses issues.. if i knew.. damn

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sphery:

Stevezau: just re-rip and re-encode with proper settings

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sphery:

and next time you can get a cpu with some headroom

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iamlindoro:

A small informed group of us keeps trying to explain it to people

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iamlindoro:

but then some jackass always turns up and says "It works flawlessly for me!"

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iamlindoro:

and the lure of small, quiet hardware is too powerful, and everyone ignores us

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Stevezau:

iamlindoro, you got any links that i can read up on it?

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sphery:

s/small, quiet hardware/small, quiet--and dirt cheap--hardware/

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Shadow__X:

if you want small and quiet yet still capable get a mac mini

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iamlindoro:

It's the exact same conversation every single time someone asks what the "preferred frontend hardware" is on the users list

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iamlindoro:

so just read any of those in the archive

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Shadow__X:

uses less power than one of those ion machines and it actually has a cpu

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sphery:

where small and quiet is very possible with a powerful CPU--just costs money because it's not a toy/limited CPU

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wagnerrp:

sphery: it doesnt even require lots of money, you can do it on desktop hardware, it just requires some forethought

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sphery:

Stevezau: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/448321#448321 , which is followed by all sorts of people actually convincing the poor, uninformed user who asked for help to get an ION system

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wagnerrp:

of course you can blow everyone's mind and tell them a mac mini is more capable all around, and uses less power

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, but you do pay more for small and quiet than big, ugly, loud desktop

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wagnerrp:

sphery: no, im saying quiet, relatively small, desktop hardware isnt that hard to do

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sphery:

Stevezau: and, as wagnerrp said, mac mini /is/ more capable and uses less power

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Stevezau:

lol

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Stevezau:

i cant return this h/w :P

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sphery:

yeah, but it's still more than buying the cheapest big, ugly case with loud fans

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Stevezau:

im stuck with it.. gota stick with it i guess

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sphery:

Stevezau: but you can re-rip your movie from the original disk with the proper encoder settings

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Stevezau:

sphery yeah i just need to read and learn how and what the proper settings are :)

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Stevezau:

this shuttle is for my room.. ive got my nice big sony xbr downstairs maybe ill get a powerful frontend for that

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sphery:

what encoder are you using?

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sphery:

someone may know where to find the right profiles

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Stevezau:

I didnt encode this mkv.. its just a test mkv which i found on the net.. (only runs for 10mins)

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Stevezau:

but its the same when i watch liveTV

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** Beirdo rips... oh wait, not in public **

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Beirdo:

poor chair

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Shadow__X:

sphery: btw the listing info is actually showing up now thanks for the help

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sphery:

Shadow__X: cool, glad you got it

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sphery:

Stevezau: live tv using which capture device?

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Beirdo:

for all those with threadpool exhaustion issues: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/6a1b7 . . . 3c126e3a44bd

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sphery:

Beirdo: Nice work on the threadpool!

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Beirdo:

danke :)

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Stevezau:

sphery MyGica it uses af9015 chipset

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sphery:

Stevezau: DVB?

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Beirdo:

I'll let it soak even more in master for a few days, then backport to fixes/0.24

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Stevezau:

yep

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wagnerrp:

yeah, dvb

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Stevezau:

dvb-t

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Beirdo:

where it's also an issue

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wagnerrp:

anything dvb, you do not compress

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sphery:

UK?

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wagnerrp:

you get as is, from the broadcaster

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Stevezau:

Aus

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sphery:

hmmm... weird

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sphery:

haven't heard of any issues with DVB encoding in Aus

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wagnerrp:

if video from a broadcaster does not work with an ION.... well then thats just one more nail in the coffin

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wagnerrp:

time for a real processor

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wagnerrp:

!seen jya

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MythLogBot:

jya was last seen 1 day 6 hours 11 minutes 10 seconds ago

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sphery:

could this be memory exhaustion/swapping/performance issues due to bad nvidia drivers?

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iamlindoro:

broadcaster could be a similar (but identical looking) issue

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wagnerrp:

what driver version are you running?

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iamlindoro:

ie, poor signal

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sphery:

or that...

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Stevezau:

sphery im reading that link you provided.. its talking about power power consumption.. have u got a link that explains why VDPAU wont work well with x.264

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iamlindoro:

both look like macroblocking corruption

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iamlindoro:

There is no such thing as x.264

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Stevezau:

ive tried searching but there are so many opnions :|

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iamlindoro:

H.264 is a codec

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wagnerrp:

Stevezau: VDPAU works great with x264

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iamlindoro:

x264 is a program

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wagnerrp:

as long as you use proper settings for x264 when encoding

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Stevezau:

iamlindoro sorry h i mean

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iamlindoro:

x.264 is nothing at all

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wagnerrp:

x264 allows a very wide range of options, and several of which can cause bad things to happen with hardware decoders

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wagnerrp:

there are a lot of things with comments like 'minimally increases compressibility'

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Beirdo:

X.264 if anything is some funky ITU-T spec that has nothing to do with us :)

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sphery:

Stevezau: no... that was more just a, "vdpau may not work with everything and if you get an underpowered system, you have no headroom for software decoding--and Atom's touted benefit of low power consumption doesn't hold up beyond marketing"

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wagnerrp:

and you know people like their knobs and dials

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Stevezau:

sphery ah ok.. :)

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wagnerrp:

so they flip and turn things all over the place not actually knowing what theyre doing

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** Beirdo squelches the knob joke **

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sphery:

s/low power consumption/lower power consumption/

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** wagnerrp is a reformed knob tuner **

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sphery:

(it is pretty low power consumption, but not necessarily lower than other well-chosen systems)

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Stevezau:

yeh i couldnt care less about power :P

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wagnerrp:

then why buy an Atom?

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Beirdo:

cute little box

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

thats hidden behind a tv

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Stevezau:

yep

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Beirdo:

tis a crappy reason, sure

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Beirdo:

but there it is :)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: well, you're still a Gentoo/FreeBSD user, so you may be still be off the wagon

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Stevezau:

small and quite for the bedroom

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Stevezau:

and portable

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J-e-f-f-A:

Get a bigger tv! ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

(then there's more room to hide!)

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Stevezau:

ill get another frontend for downstairs.. thats where i watch high def movies anyway

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Stevezau:

maybe that apple mini

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sphery:

mini is definitely nice if you want small, quiet, and power-efficient

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Stevezau:

ive got room so possibly something bigger

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kormoc:

Stevezau, my ion (google tv) is about 4–6x louder then my mac mini (mid 2009)

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sphery:

but I go with big, ugly (and power-efficient) and just put it in a different room and run cables through the wall

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sphery:

worked out very inexpensive that way

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Stevezau:

sphery what are you running

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Beirdo:

cat5

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

I have AMD's low-TDP dual-core CPUs

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sphery:

Core 2 Duo would be basically the same

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sphery:

the mac mini has a mobile Core 2 Duo, so it's even lower power

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sphery:

and allows for smaller and quieter--but is more expensive :)

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Beirdo:

so perfect for Apple

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sphery:

I also have 3 boxes, so putting them all under the TV was not going to happen

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sphery:

and 12TB of storage

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sphery:

so the other room worked better

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Stevezau:

just tested software decode.. dropped frames everywhere

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Stevezau:

ah well

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J-e-f-f-A:

Stevezau: make sure you pick them up... ;-)

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Stevezau:

back to vdpau.. u cant relly notice the stutter.. im to picky

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sphery:

what is it? 7-yrs bad luck for each broken frame?

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** J-e-f-f-A is in a goofy mood tonight... **

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Stevezau:

haha J-e-f-f-A

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Stevezau:

wonder if the appletv is any better

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wagnerrp:

Stevezau: the appletv is about as powerful as an atom, but with no hardware accelerated video decoding

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Stevezau:

we have one of thoes

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Stevezau:

hahah

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Stevezau:

bah

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Shadow__X:

doesnt it depend on which atv? isnt the current gen one just a 1ghz arm a8? was the first one around 1.5ghz?

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johnf1911:

quick HD-PVR question, I have a HD-PVR, I've recorded stuff with it, it looks great, however I have problems with audio skipping. I don't have it on my HTPC that passes through the AC3 to my Amp, but only on a desktop machine doing software decoding. Myth has the issue, but mplayer on the capture files plays perfectly

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johnf1911:

is anyone familiar with this issue?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: what's the thing you're missing when you upgrade a MythVideo 0.21 schema to current? (The thing that makes it so that just starting mythvideo data over is probably better?)

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kormoc:

johnf1911, Did you scan your audio on the skipping machine?

[02:08:37]

johnf1911:

I'm sorry, scan my audio?

[02:08:53]

sphery:

if mythfrontend settings under (main) General Settings

[02:09:05]

sphery:

scan for devices, select from the list instead of whatever default was there

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kormoc:

johnf1911, in mythfrontend's audio settings, there's a scan audio button, it tends to fix a fair number of weird audio issues if you haven't done it

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johnf1911:

oh, that

[02:09:31]

johnf1911:

I believe I've done it, but let me redo it

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sphery:

wagnerrp: thinking it was tv series support

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Stevezau:

took it down stairs to the big tv.. its not that bad really

[02:11:39]

Stevezau:

but ive decided to buy a nice beefy frontend which i can use as a backend.. then use my xs35gt as a frontend for my room

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Stevezau:

thanks for your help guys

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sphery:

good luck

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johnf1911:

it didn't help

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Stevezau:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Choosing_Frontend_Hardware ill read that :P

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sphery:

might want to restart mythfrontend afte rthe scan, too

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johnf1911:

you're talking about rescan

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johnf1911:

right?

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sphery:

yeah

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johnf1911:

and I should select the desired mode before using it

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sphery:

just restart mythfrontend and see if that helps, now

[02:13:37]

johnf1911:

let me restart it

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sphery:

also note that after the scan, it will leave whatever default value was in there

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sphery:

so if you just choose what you had, it won't help

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elmojo:

what bit-rate do people here use for 720p HD-PVR recordings?

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johnf1911:

I use the default values

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johnf1911:

quality is pretty decent

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johnf1911:

it's about 2G / hour or so

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sphery:

if you scan, choose something else, next, next, next, ..., finish, then go through and re-scan and select what you want, you'll be sure you have a good one

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johnf1911:

ok, let me do that

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sphery:

so for that you can choose something you know is wrong, then go to something that's right

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johnf1911:

I would prefer to use pulse on this machine

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johnf1911:

is there a reason why I should absolutely use alsa

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Stevezau:

sphery u recommend just building a pc right?

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johnf1911:

(I tested both)

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sphery:

heh, on that page Stevezau linked... Apple TV is listed, and for some reason, it doesn't say, "Basically useless as a frontend." under Cons

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sphery:

Stevezau: I recommend having a real computer--not a toy :)

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sphery:

whether you build it yourself or go with a mac mini or soem other one is up to you

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Stevezau:

any that u recommend?? I havent touch h/w in so long lol

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sphery:

I do recommend nvidia hardware--and might as well go for vdpau-capable

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sphery:

heh, as I said in my post, "OK, I'm not going to recommend any specific system."

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sphery:

:)

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johnf1911:

ok, so I chose and option I didn't wanted

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johnf1911:

scanned

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Stevezau:

lol

[02:17:17]

johnf1911:

re went in

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Stevezau:

looking at http://us.shuttle.com/J3_5800G.aspx

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johnf1911:

re scanned

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sphery:

but I would recommend at least a dual core of either AMD Athlon II or Intel Core 2 Duo

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johnf1911:

chose what I actually wanted, exited

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johnf1911:

restarted

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johnf1911:

and it didn't help :(

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johnf1911:

I know that the recordings are good though :/

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sphery:

and ideally at 2.6GHz or better

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sphery:

and, generally, faster cores are better for current mythfrontend than more cores (which is why I go dual core)

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sphery:

johnf1911: :( ... I don't know what else to suggest

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, the season and episode numbers do not get reprocessed

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sphery:

wagnerrp: cool, thakns

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Stevezau:

Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition

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sphery:

just working out my patch defense for Capt M

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sphery:

will also send you a link so you can verify the python bindings changes

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sphery:

Stevezau: heh, that would be plenty of performance--but might be high power usage, too

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johnf1911:

sphery: thanks anyways

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: the original ATV was a 1GHz P-M, the current ATV is a 1GHz A4 (same one as the ipad)

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wagnerrp:

both of which are underpowered for any kind of HD playback

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Stevezau:

sphery power does not concern me.. lol

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sphery:

so the Pentium M was better, but still very 2001ish :)

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wagnerrp:

i really have no idea what kind of performance the A4 gets

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wagnerrp:

sphery: what changes?

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johnf1911:

when using pulse I did get this message

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johnf1911:

2011-01–13 21:16:24.068 PulseAudio Error: stream buffer under flow

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sphery:

it's basically just an ARM Cortex A7 or A8, right?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: for the mythvideo schema integration--just the schema version updates

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sphery:

they're the changes you asked for before, but I still would appreciate your looking them over to make sure I understood properly

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wagnerrp:

if youre moving the mythvideo stuff into the main schema, the easiest thing is just to adjust the relevant fields in MVSCHEMA in static.py

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sphery:

yeah, that's what I did... but I still need your approval

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sphery:

:)

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sphery:

I know you'll fix whatever after I put it in, but want it close to correct

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wagnerrp:

go for it

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sphery:

ah, why is it that my kerberos tickets always expire 5 minutes before I need them/check them for whether to renew them

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sphery:

(just like my screensaver kicks in right before I sit back down...)

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Beirdo:

I'll kerberos YOU!

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Beirdo:

heh

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Shadow__X:

that superserver thread is pretty ridiculous

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Beirdo:

I remember trying to setup kerberos under slackware and giving up

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kormoc:

superserver?

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Shadow__X:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv

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Shadow__X:

where knowledgible people are saying don't do server and some bozo chimes in and says sure its bad but with a 9400 it works for me!!

[02:33:02]

Shadow__X:

and yet they have specific usecases that work around the anemic atom

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kormoc:

it's why I'm not on the mailing lists

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Shadow__X:

:) i used to be but could not take those ridiculous emails

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sphery:

yeah, it was a fun read

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Shadow__X:

what really impresses me is with the patience you guys have

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sphery:

heh, I said my piece early in the thread and then wrote it off after that--I knew exactly where it would go--and knew I wouldn't be able to keep patient if I kept in the thread

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kormoc:

it's why I dedicated my life to getting DIAFoIP accepted as a standard

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sphery:

isn't that RFC (Fahrenheit) 451?

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Shadow__X:

whats that one stand for again

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: all you have to do is find some reliable mechanism to run the HCF microop

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, Die in a fire over IP

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Shadow__X:

ah yes

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Shadow__X:

i prefer NOIP

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Shadow__X:

or SOIP

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wagnerrp:

you know, the 'k' is silent

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Shadow__X:

nueter over ip or sterilization over ip

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wagnerrp:

ah... thought you meant 'nife' over IP, or stab over IP

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Shadow__X:

nope, i prefer fixing the problem a different away

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wagnerrp:

s/different/slower/

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wagnerrp:

sure, its better for our children

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wagnerrp:

but we want respite now

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, sterilization over ip would lead to a Children of Men situation

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: i did not see the movie but is the idea there aren't many people left that can have children?

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, the idea is there are 0 people left that can have children

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Shadow__X:

everyone is not stupid. Just a very large percentage

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Beirdo:

umm

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Beirdo:

I think you mean.,... not everyone is stupid

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Beirdo:

completely different meaning

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Shadow__X:

yes, perhaps

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Beirdo:

"everyone is not stupid" is clearly not right as I know a few stupid people :)

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Shadow__X:

yeah that was bad

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, depends who you ask. All those 'Ion platform is the perfect frontend for everyone!1!!11111!111' folks think we're stupid and would totally SoIP us...

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Shadow__X:

sadly that is true

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

what do you guys think of the new hd home runs?

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean?

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mattwj2002:

no the one with a cable card but the one one

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wagnerrp:

works like the old one, just smaller and with an internal splitter

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mattwj2002:

http://amzn.com/B004HO58SO

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mattwj2002:

yeah

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[R]:

it's so small!

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** iamlindoro looks at [R] expectantly **

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iamlindoro:

your line awaits

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[R]:

haha

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wagnerrp:

thats what she said

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wagnerrp:

it would be amazing if they added PoE, but no such luck

[04:28:58]

wagnerrp:

even passive PoE using one or two of the pairs

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[R]:

what's 2 vs 3 wires really

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wagnerrp:

[R]: it means you can shove the thing in an attic and run one ethernet cable instead of ethernet and power

[04:30:00]

wagnerrp:

it means you can hide it out of reach, and reboot it by unplugging the ethernet, rather than rigging up some remote switch somehow

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[R]:

i guess

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wagnerrp:

theres all sorts of usefulness for PoE on devices like this

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wagnerrp:

networked cameras, access points, tuners....

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mattwj2002:

I wonder if the new HDHOMERUN is better than my

[04:31:28]

mattwj2002:

I am having problems getting good signal becauses the cords needs to be divided up so much

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[R]:

wagnerrp: when was the last time i told you how much i hated hardware?

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[R]:

mattwj2002: why do you think a new tuner would fix that?

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wagnerrp:

mattwj2002: get a signal amp

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mattwj2002:

I have tired no long

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mattwj2002:

no luck

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wagnerrp:

antenna or cable?

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mattwj2002:

cable

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wagnerrp:

how many splits?

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** [R] ponders that one for a few seconds **

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[R]:

nah... too much of a stretch

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** [R] ponders that one also... **

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[R]:

lol

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mattwj2002:

just the one right now is working fine but I don't have enough for the second tuner

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mattwj2002:

it is a three way

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** wagnerrp waits for it **

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mattwj2002:

three out one in

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[R]:

mattwj2002: some 3 ways drop it more on one port than the other 2

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[R]:

mattwj2002: does it equally drop on all 3?

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mattwj2002:

how would I know that?

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[R]:

it says on each port how mjch it drops

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wagnerrp:

four devices is getting to be the point where you need amplification on some cable companies

[04:35:38]

wagnerrp:

especially considering tuner cards are generally more picky about their signals than TVs

[04:36:02]

wagnerrp:

is it possible you just had a cheap noisy amp?

[04:36:15]

mattwj2002:

possible

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wagnerrp:

did you put the amp after the split? before the split? in place of the split?

[04:36:34]

mattwj2002:

well the splitter isn't in right now

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mattwj2002:

before I had a 3 way splitter going to a 4 way amp splitter

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mattwj2002:

didn't work so well

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[R]:

you want to amp before any splitters

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mattwj2002:

I can

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mattwj2002:

I can't

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wagnerrp:

why not?

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mattwj2002:

that will screw with the cable box and the cable modem

[04:38:09]

wagnerrp:

how?

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mattwj2002:

one way traffic

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[R]:

wagnerrp: crappy amp

[04:38:21]

wagnerrp:

you just need a more expensive amp

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wagnerrp:

one designed for bidirectional traffic

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[R]:

bi

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[R]:

haha

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** [R] giggles **

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mattwj2002:

so I should ask for a bi one

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mattwj2002:

;)

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wagnerrp:

you need a splitter that goes both ways

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[R]:

HAHA

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mattwj2002:

I need something that pushes up the signal and is bi

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mattwj2002:

:P

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[R]:

yeah... i dont get that one

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mattwj2002:

I wonder if 8 port would be too many

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wagnerrp:

do you have 8 devices?

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mattwj2002:

no I only have 4

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wagnerrp:

if you only have 4, no need for more than 4

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[R]:

an 8 port amp or an 8 port splitter?

[04:45:14]

[R]:

that'd be a lot of wasted power if it were an 8 port amp and you werne't using all 8 ports

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wagnerrp:

i thought those things were only supposed to power as many ports as you were actually using, such that it resulted in 0 gain

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[R]:

hrm

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[R]:

i've never used/seen an amp that isn't 1 to 1

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wagnerrp:

ive got two amps that are both 1->4

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[R]:

i mean i guess it makes sense

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mattwj2002:

do you want active or passive return?

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[R]:

police women of cincinati

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[R]:

interesting...

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wagnerrp:

says something about the crime in your city when you warrant your own version of COPS

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

not a fan of officer mandy

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[R]:

wow, someone thinks that 512mb of DDR is "double" the space of regular ram

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wagnerrp:

where

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[R]:

http://forum.androidcentral.com/motorola-droi . . . -slot-2.html

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[R]:

last comment

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kormoc:

the stupidity... it burns...

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[R]:

lol

[05:03:02]

kormoc:

"Just so you know, the 512 is DDR which means it is double regualr RAM. So 512 DDR is more than sufficient. It is also more energy efficient."

[05:03:07]

kormoc:

so much fail...

[05:04:44]

wagnerrp:

do i need to make an account just to flame this guy?

[05:05:31]

kormoc:

I think it's needed

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[R]:

wow, i just watched a youtube video of a guy doing something in windows

[05:06:06]

[R]:

and i swear he must have been high

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wagnerrp:

aww

[05:07:03]

wagnerrp:

'by agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not paste any messages taht are... hateful...'

[05:07:10]

wagnerrp:

post

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[R]:

HAHA

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[R]:

theres plenty of hate goin on there

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[R]:

its ok

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, you're just gonna use advanced forced teaching on him, tis all

[05:09:08]

[R]:

"META-INF is a folder that is needed but I don't know it's purpose"

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

how can you send email to 'undisclosed-recipients'?

[05:18:04]

wagnerrp:

i mean you have to send it to at least the person receiving it

[05:18:09]

wagnerrp:

so where does that come from

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[R]:

if there is no to

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[R]:

and only a bcc

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wagnerrp:

but why isnt it sent to me

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[R]:

huh?

[05:22:57]

wagnerrp:

why do i have to go flipping through the headers to figure out where it came from?

[05:23:06]

wagnerrp:

rather... who it was sent to

[05:23:15]

wagnerrp:

which one of my memory mail accounts that are dumped into the same inbox

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wagnerrp:

s/memory/many/

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wagnerrp:

stupid DDR post, getting me confused

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[R]:

oh

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[R]:

i get it

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[R]:

because the smtp server isn't rewriting the headers

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wagnerrp:

somewhere along the line, someone knows what address the email was sent to

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wagnerrp:

why is my client not telling me what email it was sent to?

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[R]:

feature request!

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wagnerrp:

i need to turn on spam filtering...

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[R]:

how the hell do i get a 17GB file that claims to be 4 hours long for a recording that only lasts 30 minutes

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wagnerrp:

considerable skill

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[R]:

haha

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AlVal:

is there such a thing as a usb based common interface adapter?

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AlVal:

my dvb-s2 tuner card doesn't have a "daughter CI card" option, so looking to see if there's a 3rd party usb common interface device that could be connected, or does such a device always need to feed directly to the satellite tuner?

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wagnerrp:

yes, there are CI card readers

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wagnerrp:

no, you cant use them with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

mythtv only supports CAMs slotted directly into tuner cards

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wagnerrp:

the card itself must supply unencrypted video to mythtv

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wagnerrp:

AlVal: ^^^

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AlVal:

thanks, i guess i'll wait til they release this then http://www.tbsdtv.com/english/product/6990.html

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AlVal:

i bought this http://www.tbsdtv.com/english/product/6981.html

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wagnerrp:

something like that would work with mythtv

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AlVal:

yeah ill upgrade once new one's out

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AlVal:

http://www.alval.net/my-page

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AlVal:

thats my final build, which i can report is fantastic

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AlVal:

and almost completely silent

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mishehu:

ok I'm going nuts here... with my old pvr 250 card, I can get audio on the composite but no video, and on the coax I can get video but no audio...

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AlVal:

thanks for all your help/input while i was speccing it

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novotny:

hi here

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novotny:

is possible to have gui on second monitor, still vissible ?

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novotny:

(i have htpc, with small touch lcd display on box)

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novotny:

connected to large lcd

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novotny:

lcds have different resolution

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novotny:

(1024x768 and 1920x1080)

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novotny:

and in gui, i wanna see gui on both lcds, and in movie, i wanna:

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novotny:

small lcd off, or some control on it

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novotny:

like change channel, and so on

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novotny:

or is there some "

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novotny:

"gui remote" ? which can i start on secondary displkay ?

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AndyCap:

novotny: there is a telnet port, but not sure what kind of app is the ideal for running on your second display

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AndyCap:

novotny: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_control_socket#Used_By

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novotny:

AndyCap: thx

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jamiem:

make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../../../../share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.

[10:11:32]

jamiem:

does this mean my qt4 config is all wrong?

[10:13:21]

clever:

jamiem: looks to me, like you dont even have the qt4 dev files installed

[10:14:18]

clever:

jamiem: under my ubuntu, its the libqt4-dev package

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jamiem:

# dpkg -l | grep qt4 | grep dev | cut -d ' ' -f 3 | xargs

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jamiem:

libqt4-dev libqt4-opengl-dev qt4-dev-tools

[10:14:34]

jamiem:

debian squeeze, here

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jamiem:

:/

[10:15:01]

clever:

root@theP4:/var/lib/dpkg/info# grep share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf *.list

[10:15:16]

clever:

this command is a bit direct, but it lists every packet providing that file

[10:15:34]

clever:

(only works on whats already installed, neat files to look at if you want to learn how dpkg works)

[10:16:06]

jamiem:

root@media:/var/lib/dpkg/info# grep share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf *.list

[10:16:06]

jamiem:

qt4-qmake.list:/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf

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jamiem:

hm

[10:16:42]

clever:

debian may have choose to put it in a different package

[10:17:03]

jamiem:

if I'm building in /usr/src/ then why is it looking in ../../../../share/etc.

[10:17:06]

clever:

i also notice that your makefile refers to ../../../../share, while everything else is /usr/share/

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jamiem:

yeah

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jamiem:

which basically takes it to /

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jamiem:

and /share doesn't exist of course

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clever:

make[1] implies that its one directory deep

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clever:

so it looks like /usr/src/mythtv/something/../../../../share, hmmm yeah thats /share:S

[10:18:40]

jamiem:

(I was actually building in /home/jamie/mythtv-trunk/mythtv/)

[10:19:00]

clever:

Makefile: programs.pro /usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf /usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/common/g++.conf \

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clever:

my own makefiles use an absolute path, so my best guess is that qmake made a bad choice

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jamiem:

hm

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jamiem:

should I set $QT4DIR to /usr/share/qt4 ?

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clever:

that might help

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** jamiem tries **

[10:25:31]

jamiem:

o.

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jamiem:

# QT4DIR=/usr/share/qt4/ make clean

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jamiem:

make[1]: Entering directory `/home/jamie/mythtv-trunk/mythtv/libs'

[10:26:00]

jamiem:

make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../../../../share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.

[10:26:04]

clever:

since the makefile is using that to decide if it should rerun qmake, you may need to manualy run qmake in each directory

[10:26:41]

clever:

or blow away all Makefiles and fix the static ones with an svn update (though its git now, not sure of a simple way to fix it thru git)

[10:27:20]

jamiem:

clever: this _was_ working, it's a -trunk that matches my backend

[10:27:23]

jamiem:

I'm confused :/

[10:27:56]

jamiem:

can I re-checkout this revision from git?

[10:28:31]

jamiem:

what would be the syntax for qmake?

[10:28:34]

clever:

if you havent made any changes to the source, you can safely blow away the Makefiles and then tell git to restore anything missing

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jamiem:

I could find . -type d -exec qmake {} \; ?

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clever:

just run 'qmake' in the proper directory

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** jamiem tries **

[10:29:03]

clever:

libs in the case above

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clever:

-rw-r--r-- 1 clever clever 165 2010-04–19 01:33 ae.pro

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clever:

clever@theP4:~/builds/ae$ qmake

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clever:

-rw-r--r-- 1 clever clever 4.3K 2011-01–14 10:29 Makefile

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jamiem:

ooh

[10:30:18]

jamiem:

oh.

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jamiem:

thought it was working then :/

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clever:

qmake should rebuild the Makefile, and then make to run it and see if it works

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jamiem:

I'm just re-entering the dirs where it's failing and re-qmaking

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clever:

and each time you do, it gets thru it and fails on another directory?

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jamiem:

seemingly

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clever:

sounds like thats fixing it then:)

[10:33:08]

jamiem:

why did it break?!

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clever:

ive seen the Makefiles get messed up alot before, where it doesnt rebuild them properly and then builds things out of order

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jamiem:

fair enough

[10:34:08]

clever:

the usual answer is to just find -name Makefile -delete;svn update and not actualy fix the root problem

[10:34:12]

jamiem:

well, thanks for getting me this far. Let's see how the build goes :)

[10:34:36]

clever:

now that its git, i think that would be find -name Makefile -delete;git reset

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jamiem:

mine was an svn pull looking at it

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clever:

ah

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jamiem:

(also: thank the lord for distcc)

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clever:

:)

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clever:

on ocasion, ive run distcc inside colinux (linux on windows, without any emulation), and every other linux box

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clever:

that would give me 6 cores today

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jamiem:

woot

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clever:

ive also tried using colinux to run the linux version of myth on windows, it didnt work:P

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jamiem:

me has two on dilbert, three on vm1, two on asok, two on laptop and four[lol] on the Atom, itself

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clever:

it does 'run', but it has no XV, so the framerate is unusable

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jamiem:

clever: can Xming help there?

[10:37:34]

clever:

the colinux package came with Xming

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jamiem:

oh.

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** jamiem stops talking about things he knows little of **

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clever:

colinux acts like a windows network driver

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clever:

and then uses its kernel level powers to hijack the cpu and run linux for a short time

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clever:

then returns control to the windows kernel

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jamiem:

heh

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jamiem:

"*sigh* Let ME handle this ..."

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clever:

when linux is active, its isolated to a section of ram, the same way a userspace program is isolated

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clever:

pretty much:P

[10:39:06]

clever:

but windows assumes it has control over all hardware

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clever:

so its not safe for linux to touch any real hardware

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jamiem:

ergo no direct rendering

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clever:

so any network/hdd IO has to go thru a colinux driver that proxy's it over

[10:39:41]

clever:

all GUI is just x11 over tcp

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jamiem:

things seem to be building

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clever:

it may take a while to build thru libs and then stumble on the next directory

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clever:

-j will make it do more at once before stumbling

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jamiem:

clever: all installed. Thanks, again.

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clever:

:)

[10:58:59]

jamiem:

you _are_ clever.

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clever:

ive forced qt to do some insane things before

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clever:

i built qt on a windows box, copied the .a and .h files over to linux, then linked it in with a cross-compiler (without qmake's help)

[11:00:17]

clever:

and in the end, got a static .exe or .dll with the entire QT lib in it

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jamiem:

that sounds useful

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clever:

in theory, the same idea could be used to build a win32 frontend from linux

[11:04:43]

clever:

but since i completely replaced qmake's job, it took alot more work to get the Makefile's writen properly

[11:05:11]

clever:

might be better to hack up the specs file (your original problem) to point to the win32 files

[11:09:19]

jamiem:

clever: are you lead win32 devel?

[11:10:00]

clever:

pretty much everything ive done is my own projects i made from scratch

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clever:

that win32/qt project was a .dll that mirc loaded and ran from a script

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jamiem:

?!

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jamiem:

why?

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jamiem:

some gui to plugins?

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clever:

turns out, i cant do GUI at all in mirc dll's

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clever:

QT needs gui done in the main thread, and if i block the main thread, it pings out on irc and appears to lock up the main UI

[11:12:10]

clever:

it was mostly so i could use c++ to do things faster then the scripting could

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jamiem:

does that really require full qt?

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clever:

i believe i was just using qtcore and the network lib

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jamiem:

oic

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clever:

${LD} -shared ${OBJECTS} -o $@ -Wall commands.def --enable-stdcall-fixup -L./qt/lib -lQtNetwork -lQtCore -l ole32 -lws2_32 -luuid -lwinspool -lgdi32 -lcomdlg32 -limm32 -lwinmm -loleaut32

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clever:

half the fun is finding the right order for the -l flags

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clever:

-rw-r--r-- 1 clever clever 4.1M 2008-10–09 16:18 qt/lib/libQtCore.a

[11:14:57]

clever:

-rw-r--r-- 1 clever clever 1.7M 2008-10–09 16:24 qt/lib/libQtNetwork.a

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clever:

and due to the defaults in qt, i also would up with a 110MB!!! qt/lib/libQtCored.a (debug info)

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jamiem:

5.8M < 110MB

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clever:

the insane part was it also built qt webkit, debug, over 1gig.....

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clever:

i need to read the configure output more carefully next time

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** jamiem really needs to finish learning C **

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** jamiem points at clever and fills him with chars **

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clever:

i'm just starting to follow this hello world project, http://idle-logic.com/2010/04/19/configuring-the-cyclone-ii/

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clever:

FPGA's are much more complex then c

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jamiem:

showoff

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clever:

in some ways, VHDL looks similar to c

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clever:

but it doesnt exactly run in order, it seems to run every line at once

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hashbang:

clever: yup, unless you put explicit checks for clock transitions, that's exactly what happens.

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clever:

i'm thinking i might just do without the program rom

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clever:

use a docking station to power it up and then leave it on

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clever:

hashbang: how much do you know about fpga's?

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hashbang:

clever: used to!

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hashbang:

clever: I did some VHDL in an FPGA module in my 3rd year at uni, oh... 16 years ago.

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** hashbang feels old. **

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clever:

may i PM you?

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hashbang:

really, I've probably forgotten almost everything

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hashbang:

but go ahead if you like. :-)

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jamiem:

compile in tmpfs ftw

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rileyp:

Can anyone suggest a hassle free known to work usb dvb tuner?

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: no, there is no telnet port (as indicated by the link you pasted)

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stuartm:

I need a reminder, there is an issue with the dvd player spinning down between reads which because of it's lag then causes dvd playback to stop/start, I can't remember the solution but I'm sure there was something about configuration

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stuartm:

not in MythTV I mean, but externally, fstab arguments or hdparm

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wagnerrp:

sounds more like hdparm than fstab

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stuartm:

err, yeah :)

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wagnerrp:

'-S <seconds>' might do it

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wagnerrp:

guy on mythtvtalk is trying to build his first mythtv box

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wagnerrp:

wants to /buy/ an old netburst celeron for it

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wagnerrp:

when i tell him thats an awful idea, he instead wants to buy an old dual core p4

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wagnerrp:

where is he even finding this stuff for sale? and for a 'combo deal' no less

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: recycling places

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wagnerrp:

clever, you around?

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clever:

wagnerrp: yep

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wagnerrp:

whatever happened to that disk balancer you were working on

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wagnerrp:

someone on the -users list is looking for something like that

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clever:

wagnerrp: i'll throw it up on pastebin again

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wagnerrp:

mind if i shove it on the wiki?

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clever:

wagnerrp: go ahead, http://ext.earthtools.ca/balance.py

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clever:

if i get around to doing any more updates on it, i'll pass the link on to you

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wagnerrp:

ok, thanks

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hashbang:

wagnerrp: well, they'll work, for SD at least. I was recording 6 DVB channels on my old NetBurst Celeron 1.7

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hashbang:

wagnerrp: but I do wonder what the purchase price/power consumption graph looks like

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wagnerrp:

hashbang: sure, it will work for recording

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wagnerrp:

but the more tuners you add, the longer scheduler runs take

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wagnerrp:

and when you get up into several tens of seconds, you start to have some real security concerns

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wagnerrp:

not security, usability

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hashbang:

wagnerrp: was about to say. :-)

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wagnerrp:

and at least one idoi^H^H^H^Huser has discovered, some possible race conditions why trying to run a backend on a sheevaplug

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wagnerrp:

however for playback of ATSC content, that processor just wont cut it

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wagnerrp:

its marginal for HD MPEG2 as it is

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wagnerrp:

but if youre running all the backend tasks like commflagging, database management, and such

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wagnerrp:

theres not enough to go around

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wagnerrp:

HD MPEG4, youre completely SOL

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wagnerrp:

and this user wants to BUY this stuff

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wagnerrp:

a VIA 775 board, the celeron, and a 750GB hard drive for $100

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hashbang:

wagnerrp: yup, there are things I've wanted to do with my old Myth box (now a P4 2.53, woohoo) that I've got headroom to do on my new one (i5 760)

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wagnerrp:

you can buy a new mobo, dual core AMD, and 1TB hard drive for only $140

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stuartm:

I was reading an old textbook the other day, written during the second world war it mentions the BBCs new "High-definition" television broadcasts beginning in the 1930s – that made me chuckle

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J-e-f-f-A:

Disks sda, sdb, sdm, sdh, sdn, sdk and sdl are my myth recording disks. sdd is a disk of just Videos. sdo is mysql only

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J-e-f-f-A:

oops, wrong window.

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bbeattie:

Anyone know of a deb repository for ubuntu 10.04 for myth 0.24?

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stuartm:

heh

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tgm4883:

bbeattie, the mythbuntu team provides one

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tgm4883:

i'd link it, but i'm super busy right now

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wagnerrp:

oof, 62GB free on my primary recording drive

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: hehe, I stand corrected. old habits die hard.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Not bad... Mine recording drives have 20GB free each... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

s/Mine/My/

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but thats stuff i want to archive

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ah. You need a few BD-R's then... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

no, i need to start clipping them, and dumping them onto my array

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wagnerrp:

i havent done so in months

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J-e-f-f-A:

Oh, you edit them and convert them to Videos then? cool.

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wagnerrp:

i do have another almost unused 2TB drive i can toss stuff onto...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Nice... I'm probably going to get a new SATA HDD for my MySQL db, as my new MB and the SCSI card don't get along for some reason (tons of interrupt errors, which after a short while cause the SCSI card to go 'offiline' for lack of a better word...)

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J-e-f-f-A:

So I had to swap back to my old MB/CPU/Ram... :-(

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wagnerrp:

clever: im just going to write a new one from scratch

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clever:

wagnerrp: my python is that bad? :P

[17:43:24]

clever:

i think thats the 2nd python program ive ever made

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wagnerrp:

no, i just know a lot more about the bindings

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clever:

ah

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clever:

one of the minor problems i ran into

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wagnerrp:

little tricks to do over mythprotocol stuff youre using local calls for

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clever:

right now, only one drive has auto-expire files

[17:44:34]

clever:

so i'm running the script to move everything else to that drive, and force expires (and free space on others)

[17:44:52]

clever:

but if i run it before auto-expire kicks in, it tends to grab the file it just moved, and put it right back where it came from

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wagnerrp:

the only thing i dont know how to manage is specifying a remote disk to use when transferring to

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wagnerrp:

a SBE with a single disk is easy

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wagnerrp:

but with multiple disks, the backend will do its own balancing, i believe freespace

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clever:

i saw an option for that in the UI a few weeks ago

[17:46:52]

clever:

freespace or calculated IO load

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wagnerrp:

no, the record balancing is different than the file transfer write balancing

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clever:

ah

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wagnerrp:

either it does straight freespace, or it only ever writes to the first disk

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wagnerrp:

i dont remember

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wagnerrp:

i could start up a slave over SSH for pulling to, instead of pushing from

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clever:

thats one of the problems i was having

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clever:

i eventualy settled on running it on the box with 2 disks, so the remote systems all have 1 disk

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clever:

no pulling a file off nfs and then shoving it back to the same host on another drive

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wagnerrp:

with luck, this will all get shoved into the housekeeper at some point

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** wagnerrp nudges sphery **

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clever:

if you want to avoid ssh, you could atleast setup a system for poking a slave to run the script

[17:50:09]

clever:

command it over mythproto to run the script in the DB

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wagnerrp:

no way to do that, for good reason

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wagnerrp:

too many security concerns

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wagnerrp:

yeah yeah, myth is not secure

[17:50:52]

clever:

the same thing can be said about the jobqueue :P

[17:51:03]

wagnerrp:

but allowing arbitrary execution over the backend protocol

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clever:

i could tweak the settings table so 'rm -rf /' is used for commflagging

[17:51:08]

clever:

and then queue a commflag

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wagnerrp:

the jobqueue /might/ at least require a restart for that to take effect

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sphery:

hmm... what?

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clever:

yeah, thats why i said to store the script path in the DB

[17:51:34]

clever:

so it cant just be told to rm -rf over mythproto

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wagnerrp:

sphery: automated storage group balancing

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sphery:

ah, yeah

[17:52:57]

clever:

the bigest problem i can see with ssh is having to setup the public/private keys and installing ssh at both ends, some users may not have it on the slaves

[17:53:02]

wagnerrp:

also, id like to change your opinion on how SGs should be defined

[17:53:18]

wagnerrp:

IMHO, the SG should be defined on the host defined primary for that disk

[17:53:28]

wagnerrp:

ideally, the one that physically has the disk

[17:53:39]

wagnerrp:

or in the case of an NAS, the one you want to define the primary for it

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sphery:

after recordedfile schema, we'll have info required to figure out which shows are on which directories on which hosts--then we just need to add code to remember file system info (which are the same, which are local, which are remote, and where the local copy is), then we can add a new storage group balancer that will allow recording to the file system that allows expiring the next-in-expire-order show

[17:54:35]

clever:

that sounds good

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sphery:

as far as pushing out the already-existing shows to file systems with more space, we can do that any time, but it requires someone to write the code to decide when to do it and to do it

[17:54:51]

clever:

i hate it when it ignores a drive with 20 auto-expire recordings a year old, and instead expires something 5 seconds old :P

[17:54:59]

wagnerrp:

because now that im thinking about it, im going to run into a lot of complications over what machine has access to what storage groups to figure out where things are

[17:55:18]

wagnerrp:

especially if you have two disks on two hosts using the same path

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clever:

i keep all my mounting paths globaly unique

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I think that's the wrong approach--the right approach is to a) define a single list of directories for a storage group (since an SG is nothing but a name used as a mapping for a list of directories)

[17:56:18]

wagnerrp:

so take the name out of the definition entirely?

[17:56:25]

wagnerrp:

hostname, that is

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sphery:

wagnerrp: but then, on startup, each system needs to do the same checks we currently do in the expirer to find what directories are available, which are separate file systems, which file systems are shared across the network and which are local (and which are redundant on other hosts and on which host those redundant file systems are local) and--rather than what we do now--store that info and make it available through Myth*Context

[17:57:40]

sphery:

I'd prefer to take the name out of the definition--I don't believe there's any real reason to do overrides and all it does is make people think they need to

[17:58:22]

sphery:

wagnerrp: this approach would also allow us to finally put the nail in the "always stream" setting coffin

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sphery:

i.e. we could choose the most-efficient path from the disk to the frontend

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sphery:

the main reason I have a serious dislike of using overrides is because then when I add a new directory on a host is because people don't clean up the garbage before they retire hosts (and many hosts are retired without any planning--i.e. due to failure)

[18:00:59]

sphery:

so if users are defining directory lists with a specific host name, then it affects fallback even years after they quit using that host

[18:01:21]

sphery:

because one of the fallbacks is "any directory listed for any host's definition of that SG name"

[18:01:58]

sphery:

but, really, I want us to just be a lot smarter about the usage and not require users to type the same list of directories on 8 hosts

[18:02:08]

sphery:

i.e. auto-figure-it-out :)

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sphery:

easier set up and all

[18:02:51]

sphery:

granted, Captain_Murdoch is really the owner of the code, so he may well agree with your approach and dislike mine, so... :)

[18:03:05]

wagnerrp:

ok, ignoring the database SG definitions entirely then, and working off the directories provided by the backend

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sphery:

right

[18:03:38]

sphery:

which would maintain host/file system id/directory path/sg membership information

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wagnerrp:

ill have to do lookups later to get the groupname from

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sphery:

really, we figure out almost everything we need, already, in the expirer

[18:04:04]

wagnerrp:

since QUERY_FREE_SPACE doesnt provide them

[18:04:40]

sphery:

are you writing a script for balancing free space, now?

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wagnerrp:

was going to start, yes

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sphery:

if so, cool... nice interim approach until we get it into the housekeeper/backend support (and available from the UI for frontend requests to move stuff)

[18:05:40]

sphery:

or you could just do the in-core code :)

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sphery:

and, yeah, with current stuff, you'll have to do some matching up of info--or could add a new proto command to provide the info you need, if you like

[18:07:26]

sphery:

i.e. have a proto command to request that a backend provide sg/dir/free space info for all sg'

[18:07:47]

sphery:

(or whatever else you need) big downside to that is that it wouldn't work for 0.24 users

[18:07:58]

wagnerrp:

well we have one that gives freespace, it just doesnt tell you the groupname

[18:09:18]

FabriceMG:

wagnerrp, suggestion, in mythweb, it's possible to display all connected frontend in status page?

[18:09:38]

wagnerrp:

mythweb doesnt generate the status page

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wagnerrp:

its the backend status page, with some wrapping and CSS

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sphery:

right, but you have to run it on individual dirs, so I was thinking maybe some QUERY_STORAGE_GROUPS type command that gives a list of all available SGs and their directories (and maybe additional info like free space or whatever you think would be useful)

[18:10:10]

sphery:

or even just available SGs and dirs... then use QUERY_FREE_SPACE individually after that

[18:10:14]

wagnerrp:

sphery: it may be easier to just do it from the xml status page

[18:10:23]

wagnerrp:

considering it does all the calculations automatically

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sphery:

yeah, that does consolidate the file system info and merge dirs

[18:10:49]

sphery:

but it ignores special SGs (so no Video SG stuff)

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wagnerrp:

thats a good thing

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sphery:

heh, then perhaps a good approach :)

[18:11:13]

wagnerrp:

this is only to balance recordings, not video content

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

it will also make a good first impl from which to learn for the core one...

[18:13:30]

sphery:

heh, we have a mess of timestamp properties

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sphery:

2 more patches to fix them

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sphery:

(one mythtv and one mythplugins--which requires approval from plugin owners)

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** iamlindoro looks around guiltily **

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iamlindoro:

GET OFF MY BACK DATABASE MAN

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sphery:

heh, it's not your fault

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sphery:

it's because MySQL changed which properties are default about 10 times since MySQL 3.23

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sphery:

so depending on which MySQL server created the tables, things may have been defined wrongly

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sphery:

plugins have mythweather and mythmusic using them, so I'll have to get those approved/make sure they won't mess up any ongoing work on those plugins

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sphery:

turns out that programgenres.starttime got switched from timestamp to (the more sensible) datetime, so it's "fixed" (via OBE), but I'm going to fix the historical upgrade code, anyway

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Shadow__X:

hey guys, i am having a problem where i scanned for qam channels(unencrypted only) and now when i try to tune to some of them i get a lock but then i get an error opening jump program file buffer

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stanman246:

how do i play a dvd folder?

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wagnerrp:

meaning a folder containing a VIDEO_TS folder?

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stanman246:

yes

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stanman246:

well.. i copied all the vob's to a folder

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wagnerrp:

did you just copy them? or did you run them through a ripper which decrypted them?

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stanman246:

decrypted, if i open the folder with vlc it's viewable

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wagnerrp:

then you should just be able to scan the folder into mythvideo, and play it

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stanman246:

in the frontend i see a folder and if i open that i see Storage Groups and the files

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kormoc:

vlc plays encrypted vobs, no?

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wagnerrp:

how did you scan for content?

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stanman246:

m in the watch video screen

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wagnerrp:

that should have picked it up as a DVD...

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wagnerrp:

even if it were encrypted and unplayable, it should have shown up properly

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stanman246:

I did this on the frontend, is that the issue?

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wagnerrp:

you have to scan on the frontend, for obvious reasons

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wagnerrp:

but you should be able to scan on any frontend, even if it is the same machine as your backend

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stanman246:

could it be because i renamed the folder?

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stanman246:

instead of VIDEO_TS

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wagnerrp:

if its no longer VIDEO_TS, its no longer a valid authored DVD tree

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wagnerrp:

VLC may know to open up the IFO file for the menus, or play a whole sequence of VOBs

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wagnerrp:

but that doesnt make it anything standard

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wagnerrp:

wow, 14 minutes in this show without an ad

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wagnerrp:

that doesnt seem right...

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stanman246:

so i need to make a main folder (named after the movie) and VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS inside it, then scan again?

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stuartm:

stanman246: yes

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stanman246:

does audio_ts need to be in it?

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wagnerrp:

AUDIO_TS is unused, you only need VIDEO_TS

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stanman246:

hmm doesn't work

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stanman246:

now i have the main folder and then a folder video_ts

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wagnerrp:

is the folder named VIDEO_TS or video_ts?

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stanman246:

VIDEO_TS

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stanman246:

i copied it via the samba share to backend machine

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stanman246:

rights issue?

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wagnerrp:

cutlist editing works /so/ much better when its not on a disk currently being hammered by a transcode

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stanman246:

do i need to make an iso file of the VIDEO_TS folder?

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wagnerrp:

the VIDEO_TS folder should work fine

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stanman246:

could i look in some logfile?

[20:01:32]

wagnerrp:

but ive never used it personally, to have any idea how to diagnose the issue

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stanman246:

hmm

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mishehu:

if you're making a dvd to watch in a dvd player, video_ts is a dir that needs to be in the root of the dvd filesystem

[20:04:17]

wagnerrp:

no, hes ripping a DVD to play in MythVideo

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wagnerrp:

which is supposed to be able to support playback of VIDEO_TS folders

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wagnerrp:

stanman246: what version of mythtv are you running?

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stanman246:

0.23.1

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stuartm:

eww

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wagnerrp:

set up using storage groups or local folders?

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stanman246:

revision 26863

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stanman246:

ehm...

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wagnerrp:

did you define the storage location in the frontend or the backend?

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stanman246:

on the backend

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wagnerrp:

then upgrade to 0.24

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stanman246:

i can play avi's and mkv's though

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wagnerrp:

ISOs and VIDEO_TS folders are not supported by storage groups in 0.23

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stanman246:

ok, will try to upgrade then...

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wagnerrp:

multiple machines or just the one?

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stanman246:

multiple

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wagnerrp:

you will have to update all of them at the same time

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stanman246:

first the frontend on a laptop (working on it now), then the backend machine (vnc) and then test and

[20:10:53]

stanman246:

if all works, i'm gonna put 0.24 on other machines on the lan

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stanman246:

so i: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mythbuntu/0.24 in ubuntu and on the mythbuntu backend

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stanman246:

then apt-get update and upgrade

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Arsenick:

Hi everyone! I'm trying to setup my mythtv backend server to use my tuner ( Hauppauge computer works Inc. WinTV PVR 150 ) which one is supposed to be fully supported.. it was working fine on my old install.. the only way I can get a image is using the card type: ivtv mpeg-2 encoder card but it's not working very well I get lag and no sound for now... I'm using Fedora 14

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Arsenick:

Anyone with a good idea of where's my problem ?

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean by 'lag'?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Arsenick: It's an MPEG2 encoder, of course you'll have lag. It's designed for tv capture, not playing video games.

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nordle:

Hello, I'm having a disagreement with a Default Player setting. Namely I think this should work: /usr/bin/mplayer -cache 4096 -cache-min 15 -fs -zoom -ontop -vsync -vo xv -vf yadif=0,eq2=1.035:1.0:0.0:1.03:1.0:1.0:1.0:1.0,pp=tmpnoise:1:2:3 myfile.avi It works If I run it outside fo myth 0.24, but no inside. The internal player works fine. Can somone nudge me in the right direction :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Arsenick: As far as sound issues – couldn't tell you – I've used all of the analog Hauppauge PVR cards (350/250/500/150) and have never had a 'no audio' problem.

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wagnerrp:

if the internal player works fine, why would you try to use mplayer?

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Arsenick:

wagnerrp: rofl, I'm not playing video game, I mean when I open the frontend there's no sound ( I haven't try to fix this yet ) and the tv feed is not clear and seems laggy, like it show 1 frame on 5..

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: audio issues are probably some complication due to pulseaudio

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J-e-f-f-A:

Arsenick: I currently use a PVR-250 in my FC13 system without any issues at all.

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** J-e-f-f-A removes pulseaudio on all his myth boxes... ;-) **

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nordle:

wagnerrp: Because of the video picture tweaks and the load time. And that it worked fine in 0.21, so I must be doing something wrong, but am now a little lost.

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wagnerrp:

nordle: are you using storage groups or local folders?

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nordle:

wagnerrp: Storage groups.

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Arsenick:

J-e-f-f-A: hehe not a bad idea.. if I remember right, I did this on my other backend..

[20:26:25]

wagnerrp:

mplayer does not support the myth:// URIs provided to the external player when using storage groups

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Arsenick:

J-e-f-f-A: at least does my card type is the right one ? this time I'm using ivtv, but I was sure it was v4l last time I installed mythtv..

[20:27:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

Arsenick: 1 in 5 frames on playback? Are you using the proper video driver?

[20:27:46]

nordle:

wagnerrp: Is that a recent change? I only ask because I _thought_ I'd set this up in a similar way that I did 4 years ago. But obviously things move on, so I may have missed it. Is it easy to convert from Storage to folder?

[20:28:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yes, Hauppauge Analog PVR cards are "IVTV MPEG 2 Encoder" cards.

[20:28:13]

wagnerrp:

external players have never worked with storage groups

[20:28:25]

wagnerrp:

and you shouldnt revert to local folders

[20:28:40]

wagnerrp:

since those are due for removal in a future version of mythtv

[20:29:40]

Arsenick:

J-e-f-f-A: http://pastebin.com/bM14LD4V lsmod output

[20:29:41]

nordle:

wagnerrp: Ahh, so I must have had folders before. Oh ok, that answers that then :) Thanks very much for explaining it.

[20:29:56]

wagnerrp:

for what its worth, you really shouldnt be using Xv either if you have a semi-modern video card

[20:30:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

Arsenick: You're either mistaken about using v4l, or were using a 'framegrabber' card before. /me looks @ your pastebin...

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nordle:

wagnerrp: A Geforce 6200 on a AMD-64 3700 skt 754 ....not hugely modern, but works.....ish, its had to have new ram and I suspect the psu is on its way out.

[20:31:36]

wagnerrp:

erm... yeah, probably not fast enough for the opengl renderer

[20:31:53]

skd5aner:

are commit hooks from git working in trac yet?

[20:32:15]

wagnerrp:

no, dont believe anyone has fixed them yet

[20:32:48]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: also, i altered the {{changeset}} template to optionally take a second parameter

[20:32:59]

wagnerrp:

intended for the result of 'git describe'

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nordle:

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J-e-f-f-A:

Arsenick: Be sure to configure it on the low-numbered video device — if you're using /dev/video32 and 'v4l', that's why you have no audio. Use /dev/video0 (or whatever it is if you have more than one tuner) and IVTV MPEG2 Encoder...

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wagnerrp:

nordle: that card should work fine for Xv at 1920x1080

[20:34:17]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: i've been out of the loop for almost a month, so thanks

[20:34:41]

wagnerrp:

and a 3700+ should have enough power for 1080i ATSC content

[20:35:03]

Arsenick:

J-e-f-f-A: that's what I'm using card type : ivtv mpeg-2 encoder card; video device: /dev/video0 default input tuner 1 which is where my cable is plugged .. therE's no other setting there lol so I was assuming everything was ok..

[20:35:17]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: what's the intent of the second param?

[20:35:23]

nordle:

wagnerrp: Thanks for info, will now reset to Internal player. Have a good evening, cheers!

[20:35:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

Arsenick: What's your source?

[20:35:47]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_control_socket#Development

[20:35:51]

Arsenick:

J-e-f-f-A: just to be sure I've started a frontend on another pc and it was looking the same

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J-e-f-f-A:

Analog cable?

[20:36:13]

Arsenick:

I have an account on schedulesdirect.org

[20:36:40]

wagnerrp:

the 'describe' function in git gives the most recent tag, the number of commits in that branch since the tag, and a hash to the matching tree

[20:36:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

Arsenick: No, your TV feed...

[20:37:03]

Arsenick:

J-e-f-f-A: ho ;) yes it's analog cable

[20:37:09]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: basically, its a visibly meaningful version string, unlike the incomprehensible hash value

[20:37:20]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: ahh, my only concern with using changeset is that I've been using {{gitcommit}} since the switch over... I figured we'd deprecate {{changeset}} and perhaps use it in some way to look for everything with {{changeset}} and replace the old svn r numbers with git hashes?

[20:37:26]

skd5aner:

maybe not necessary, but just an idea

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I do like the idea of that, but you also would need to add a third param if it's in different project

[20:37:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

Arsenick: And you're sure you've still got Analog channels to tune? Many cable companies used the OTA Digital Switch as an excuse to turn off their Analog service...

[20:37:58]

skd5aner:

(i.e., mythweb)

[20:38:00]

wagnerrp:

ah, forgot about gitcommit

[20:38:24]

wagnerrp:

well feel free to revert/copy/whatever as you see fit

[20:38:25]

Arsenick:

J-e-f-f-A: There something wrong with my setup because when I try to scan for channels, I can't find any... but if I start the frontend I can barely "listen" to a channel

[20:38:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

Arsenick: And now require a small STB to tune the digital channels on an 'analog' TV.

[20:38:39]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: was going to ask if you minded? I'

[20:38:57]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I could add the third param to gitcommit for user-friendliness

[20:39:06]

Arsenick:

J-e-f-f-A: yep they still have analog signal, I have a small tv in my room plugged directly to the cable, old fashion way!

[20:39:20]

skd5aner:

(second opt. param is for project)

[20:39:41]

Arsenick:

J-e-f-f-A: btw I'm in canada, so I think they haven't started to switch to digital, at least not every company..

[20:41:10]

stanman246:

hmm.... getting a: could not connect to the master backen... help?

[20:41:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

Arsenick: Ok, well, make sure you've got the channel frequency table right – ie "Cable". — And I *believe* you shouldn't have to do a channel scan if you're downloading the proper listing from S.D. You *might* need to boost your cable signal though for the PVR-150.

[20:41:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

stanman246: Is it running? On Fedora, I'd type: /sbin/service mythbackend status ...

[20:42:07]

sphery:

Arsenick: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[20:42:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

stanman246: maybe it crashed – if so – logs would be helpful.

[20:42:14]

Arsenick:

J-e-f-f-A: hmm maybe this is the problem, I had to split the cable

[20:42:23]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: is right about how you shouldn't be doing a channel scan in the US with analog

[20:42:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: He's in Canada, but it's close enough. ;-)

[20:43:53]

stanman246:

Scheduler, Error: No capture cards are defined in the database.

[20:43:53]

stanman246:

Perhaps you should re-read the installation instructions?

[20:44:19]

stanman246:

is does connect at the correct host

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J-e-f-f-A:

stanman246: si senior... (I don't know how to do the accent symbols... ;-) )

[20:44:34]

Arsenick:

J-e-f-f-A: I'll try to plug the cable without the splitter and see if the signal is better

[20:44:37]

Arsenick:

thanks for helping

[20:45:07]

Arsenick:

at least now I know I have the right card type.. ;)

[20:45:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

Arsenick: np. If that works, head down to the electronics shop and get an old-fasioned RF Amplifier. No need for a bi-directional one unless you have a cable modem or PPV STBs too...

[20:46:14]

Arsenick:

allright

[20:46:16]

Arsenick:

thanks!

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J-e-f-f-A:

Although in this day and age, they probably *only* have bi-directional RF amps... Hehehehehe...

[20:46:50]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: now that im thinking about it

[20:47:10]

wagnerrp:

im wondering if is would be better to revive that webapp i had to redirect to github

[20:47:42]

wagnerrp:

and allow it to send/receive a list of revisions or hashes, and get links and versions back

[20:48:01]

wagnerrp:

whip up some javascript to automatically update the entries on the page on-demand

[20:48:26]

wagnerrp:

so if you give it '{{gitchangeset|<big long hash>}}

[20:48:34]

wagnerrp:

it will automatically replace the text with the version

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: heh, yeah, I should have said, "North America"

[20:48:56]

stanman246:

how do i check the frontend en backend version?

[20:49:08]

wagnerrp:

stanman246: '--version'

[20:49:09]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: updated – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Template:Gitcommit

[20:49:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

stanman246: Also sounds like you didn't fully setup your system/tuner card(s) – you need to do that before you can do anything with "TV".

[20:50:03]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: forgot all about the repo issue

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stanman246:

QT versions differ, is that a big issue?

[20:50:38]

stanman246:

haven't put in a TV card yet

[20:50:42]

wagnerrp:

stanman246: as long as theyre above the minimum

[20:50:49]

wagnerrp:

0.24 requires Qt 4.4?

[20:51:00]

sphery:

4.5 for 0.24

[20:51:03]

sphery:

4.4 for 0.23

[20:51:09]

sphery:

IIRC

[20:51:12]

stanman246:

one is 4.6 the other 4.7

[20:51:17]

stanman246:

so i'm safe there

[20:51:17]

sphery:

you're good, then

[20:51:24]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: np, it does make it a little more difficult for you, but just barely... now you have to do something like {{gitcommit|hash|repository|UserFriendlyDisplayName}}

[20:51:26]

stanman246:

still cannot connect to the master backend...

[20:51:28]

sphery:

as long as you have current 0.23-fixes or higher

[20:51:34]

sphery:

(so 0.24 would be fine)

[20:51:49]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: ideally the hashes will be unique across repositories

[20:51:55]

wagnerrp:

so you wouldnt need to provide them

[20:52:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

stanman246: Are you trying to run the frontend on the same machine, or a different machine on your network?

[20:52:22]

stanman246:

both machines

[20:52:39]

stanman246:

i'm vnc-ing into the master backend box

[20:52:53]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: unique yes, but how would not have to provide them?

[20:53:02]

skd5aner:

you mean, the repository?

[20:53:13]

wagnerrp:

you would just give the hash or revision

[20:53:16]

wagnerrp:

the javascript would do the rest

[20:53:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

stanman246: If you're running the firewall or selinux, there are exceptions you have to add. [/me just disabled them... hehehe]

[20:53:33]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: the URL is different – and the template isn't smart enough to figure out based on hash which repository it belongs to

[20:53:35]

wagnerrp:

translate the hash into a link and version tag

[20:53:43]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: im saying the javascript would be

[20:53:50]

stanman246:

am running mythbuntu

[20:54:00]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: that would be great... does the js exist?

[20:54:02]

stanman246:

if i nmap to the machine 3306 is opened

[20:54:07]

wagnerrp:

no, i would have to write it

[20:54:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

stanman246: Also, you'll have to configure both your backend an mysql to listen on the 'real' ip of your network, not 127.0.0.1

[20:54:13]

Shadow__X:

is it normal to get a lock on a channel but then get an error opening jump program file buffer?

[20:54:16]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: ahh, well... I welcome that :)

[20:54:33]

stanman246:

i did

[20:55:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

stanman246:

[20:55:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

stanman246: ... Well, 1st concentrate on getting things working on the Backend only, then add the remote frontend.

[20:56:05]

wagnerrp:

awww come on... WTF

[20:56:37]

wagnerrp:

its not bad enough recordings get screwed up due to sports events

[20:56:49]

wagnerrp:

now recordings get screwed up because of... dancing???

[20:56:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

stanman246: Maybe this page would help: http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/distribution/my . . . install.html

[20:57:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: or the president at a memorial service...

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: i think mentioning that page in here is a kickable offense

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** J-e-f-f-A hides **

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wagnerrp:

sphery: thats the page with the 'bad guide' right?

[20:57:43]

wagnerrp:

:P

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J-e-f-f-A:

That's what I get for JFGI'ng it for someone...

[20:58:16]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: theyve got some guide in there that suggests doing bad things to the database

[20:59:00]

wagnerrp:

wait a minute... live to dance was supposed to end at 9pm, and it ran until 10:20?

[20:59:22]

wagnerrp:

did that get pre-empted by the memorial service as well?

[20:59:48]

stanman246:

hmm... i had this working with 0.23.1.....

[20:59:50]

wagnerrp:

seriously, six people were killed

[20:59:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: perhaps, the memorial service kicked in at about 9:40 IIRC... (Eastern)

[20:59:59]

stanman246:

giving up for today

[21:00:03]

wagnerrp:

thats a cryin' shame, but so what

[21:00:09]

sphery:

that's not the "migrate your db" page...

[21:00:17]

wagnerrp:

we lose more people to that to stupidity whenever it snows around here

[21:00:26]

stanman246:

maybe tomorrow

[21:00:26]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i thought that was the website though

[21:00:26]

sphery:

which is http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/tips/migrate-recordings.html --that's the "corrupt your DB" page

[21:00:31]

wagnerrp:

yeah

[21:00:32]

sphery:

yeah, same web site

[21:00:39]

sphery:

might be equally bad...

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sphery:

the migrate your recordings page hasn't been updated in 5+ years?

[21:01:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: speaking of snow – how much did you get earlier this week – we got about 14" at my house... Doh!

[21:01:14]

sphery:

of course, no dates on the page--so they're land mines for people to step on

[21:01:19]

wagnerrp:

about 4 inches

[21:01:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

wow.

[21:01:33]

Shadow__X:

so i get a tlamgv lock on a channel but it keeps throwing the same error. The same channel has worked yesterday

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Gee, is it a wiki? ;-) We could fix that!

[21:01:38]

wagnerrp:

you know, that shooting would hardly be a blurb in the news if the congresswoman werent involved

[21:01:38]

sphery:

the mythbuntu install one doesn't do any bad db stuff

[21:01:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: Maybe they moved the channels around?

[21:02:21]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: if you want to be my best friend, get it so Google quits showing that page as first result for "migrate mythtv recordings"

[21:02:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Well, it would be in the news, but the president wouldn't be at the memorial...

[21:02:31]

sphery:

or "migrate mythtv database"

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wagnerrp:

and the memorial wouldnt preempt any tv shows

[21:02:43]

sphery:

and get it to send people to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

[21:02:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: We can do that... ;-) Just create a bunch of new pages with that phrase, and index them on google. ;-) hehehehe

[21:03:00]

** sphery stabs Google's "algorithm" with a hot poker **

[21:03:07]

Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: I scanned it yesterday. I was first using the scte65scan stuff but, maybe due to me not using it right it was not working out well (was still missing channels) so i decided to do the scans myself then now i still have channels that arent working properly

[21:03:32]

sphery:

Google needs the jedi mind trick for people who do the wrong search

[21:03:50]

sphery:

"These are not the search terms you are looking for"

[21:04:11]

Shadow__X:

yes

[21:04:36]

redwizard-kde:

i still need to go through my scan results and delete all the duplicates and filth

[21:04:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: When I first switched to FiOS TV (from Dish Network Sat), I ran every type of "Cable" channel frequency scan on my cable and only got "Local Government" channels, in digital, but horrible quality encoding... So now I just use a pair of HD-PVRs with HD STB's...

[21:04:59]

sphery:

which would actually fit well with github's 404: https://github.com/those_are_my_droids

[21:05:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: So I'm afraid I can't help you much more... Doh!

[21:06:12]

redwizard-kde:

awesome 3d effect on that page

[21:06:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: HA! That's funny!

[21:07:10]

wagnerrp:

i never noticed that it was animated

[21:07:11]

sphery:

it's the same for any of there 404's... I just added a fine resource name to "integrate" the joke

[21:07:19]

sphery:

yeah, you can move the perspective

[21:07:29]

Arsenick:

J-e-f-f-A: unfortunately it hasn't change anything :P the image still "slow" and after something like 10 seconds, the frontend become black and unresponsive... nothing on the backend log if I start the frontend in a console I can see the output here's the pastebin if you want to see.. http://pastebin.com/vRjrEnNt

[21:07:39]

sphery:

wagnerrp: can you move it more than a little?

[21:07:53]

wagnerrp:

sphery: it follows the cursor

[21:08:05]

Shadow__X:

anyone use scte65scan before

[21:08:10]

pheld:

Is there a way to avoid subtitles floating on top of OSD objects?

[21:08:14]

sphery:

yeah, so you're limited by the bounds of the image, right?

[21:08:20]

wagnerrp:

yeah

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sphery:

pheld: can you get a screenshot?

[21:09:32]

sphery:

I'm guessing we just need to finish the z-ordering for the new mythui osd stuff

[21:09:42]

sphery:

but no settings you can change--requires actual coding

[21:09:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

Arsenick: What hardware are you running? CPU/MEM/Vid Card?

[21:10:08]

Shadow__X:

when i scan i get a prompt that says found 12 unused transports what does that mean

[21:11:18]

Arsenick:

J-e-f-f-A: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+ / 4GB MEM / ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Sapphire X550 Silent]

[21:11:26]

Arsenick:

dual screen

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pheld:

sphery: actually, it doesn't affect the menu itself. Its's just the channel-info displayed while browsing through channels that drops behind subs

[21:11:56]

sphery:

Shadow__X: it noticed a parking lot with Bradley Fighting Vehicles?

[21:12:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

Arsenick: ATI gfx... yuck imho. Perhaps most of the issue at that resolution...

[21:12:08]

Arsenick:

on the backend.. but as I said, I tried on my toehr F14 box with a nvidia on it and I got the same result so it's not clear if the backend have problem or if it's the frontend..

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sphery:

pheld: yeah, that's all new mythui OSD stuff

[21:12:57]

Shadow__X:

sphery: yup. Clearly thats it!

[21:13:09]

Shadow__X:

if only i can find how to start them

[21:13:10]

sphery:

I don't think we have any code that tries to order it properly

[21:13:46]

sphery:

the old OSD stuff had some (but it had its issues).

[21:15:23]

sphery:

I think the plan was to allow theme-specified z-ordering (at least for themed elements), but hasn't been written, yet

[21:15:50]

pheld:

Shadow__X: suspect I've got a similat prob. My broadcaster announced changes for a chan in its EPG, found the new location on a diff transponder with a scan. The BE locks on the new location, but doesn't produce anything the FE can use.

[21:16:29]

Shadow__X:

pheld: yes but when i wipe out all the channels and just scan for that specific channel it works

[21:16:44]

wagnerrp:

sphery: seems weve got another member of the faith

[21:16:57]

wagnerrp:

Andre from the mailing list thinks recompressing things is bad

[21:16:58]

pheld:

sphery: thanks. good to know it's being worked on.

[21:17:07]

Shadow__X:

i just want to smack the comcast guys who wanted to change things. I used to get a ton of channels in the clear and it was great

[21:17:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

Arsenick: Jarod's page is quite old, but it's what I cut my teeth on, and much of the stuff is still relevant – maybe review the "For ivtv-based cards" section of http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fc6myth.php#capture for some troubleshooting tips...

[21:17:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

Arsenick: id' try doing a 'cat /dev/video0 >testfile.mpg' for 30 seconds or so, then playing that back with mplayer to see if all is OK. If not, then nothing you do in Myth is going to fix it. ;-)

[21:21:01]

** J-e-f-f-A still has a PVR-150, PVR-350 and PVR-500 that he's not using anymore and should probably test and put up on eBay... ;-) **

[21:21:29]

sphery:

wagnerrp: for the no transcode faith?

[21:21:36]

sphery:

cool

[21:21:58]

sphery:

btw, thanks for replying on the recordings editor thread

[21:21:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

I want to join! ;-)

[21:22:08]

sphery:

haven't read the complaint (or your response)

[21:22:40]

** J-e-f-f-A wants a lossless (or near-losless) h.264 transcoder... ;-) Wish I knew enough to code one!!!! **

[21:22:44]

sphery:

but I glanced at the complaint and I specifically removed the "I'm smart enough to auto-figure out what you want based on how close you are" because it often prevented me from doing what I needed to do

[21:22:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: hehehehe... ;-)

[21:23:10]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: we're always looking for new members

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Arsenick:

J-e-f-f-A: I installed the frontend on my laptop too and I get the same result on every computer, I get a image, and after ffew secvonds it disapear.. The result of the cat /dev/vide0 is clear as crystal

[21:23:13]

wagnerrp:

sphery: seems more a misunderstanding than anything else

[21:23:29]

wagnerrp:

as far as i could tell, just about everything he was looking for it to do, it already did

[21:23:37]

sphery:

it's a faith based on evangelism, so just start spreading the word :)

[21:23:59]

sphery:

wagnerrp: cool... seems that's mostly the case--since it's a very different UX from before

[21:24:06]

sphery:

mostly = most often

[21:24:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

Arsenick: So, delete all your capture cards – and re-add it back in. sphery linked you to that before – sounds like Myth's got 'garbage' in there from failed setup attempts before...

[21:24:27]

sphery:

Arsenick: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[21:24:50]

sphery:

Arsenick: you may need to do both capture cards and video sources

[21:25:12]

wagnerrp:

they mostly get confused, mostly

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Arsenick:

ok I'll try to flush everything again and start over

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J-e-f-f-A:

Arsenick: Just the capture cards and video sources like sphery linked to... not a full wipe of myth!!!

[21:27:20]

wagnerrp:

sphery: well ive edited about 20 recordings so far today, the only problem ive had is one of responsiveness

[21:27:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

Arsenick: Considering it's one capture card (the PVR-150), it should be fairly quick. ;-)

[21:27:54]

wagnerrp:

if you hit left or right faster than the player can pull data

[21:27:57]

wagnerrp:

it just sits there and spins

[21:28:32]

wagnerrp:

its only really a problem when youre doing other disk operations at the same time

[21:29:19]

Arsenick:

J-e-f-f-A: I know, last time I setup this it was my first time with mythtv and it took me 1 hour and everything was fine..

[21:29:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: hey – there's a '200 line kernel patch' that came out about a month ago, and an 'alternative to the 200 line kernel patch' – not sure if either has made it into the mainstream kernel, but my system is WAY more responsive with the 'alternative' patch... ;-)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, we still have a couple of player problems that show up during editing... markk is making some changes that sound like they should help when he gets where he seems to be going

[21:30:08]

sphery:

unfortunately, too, the users don't understand the difference and blame the problems on what they see--the redesigned UX

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sphery:

:(

[21:30:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: so even commflagging h.264 programs, which used to KILL my system's response, now has 'minimal' impact on 'normal' usage..

[21:30:29]

Arsenick:

sphery: I've deleted capture card and video src, added again and still getting this 15secondes of image and a blackscreen + unresponsive frontend

[21:30:42]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: that patch will not apply to my kernel

[21:30:48]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, I hope that patch doesn't get applied

[21:30:56]

sphery:

thus why I hate "Cut list editor doesn't work" type posts--about as much as Captain_Murdoch hates the "Playback over Storage Groups doesn't work" posts (since SGs work fine, but streaming is problematic)

[21:31:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: oh yeah, you're on bsd, right? ;-)

[21:31:04]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, it's 6 lines of bash script to do the same and give you ability to tweak it

[21:31:30]

sphery:

Arsenick: you may need to increase the tuning timeouts for your channel change script

[21:31:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Yeah, that's what I'm using right now, the 'alternative' one – bash scripting. ;-) Works quite well I think...

[21:31:35]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: besides, i think my IO issues are more a problem of available memory than anything else

[21:31:46]

sphery:

Arsenick: or, wait, you said you're using the built-in analog tuner?

[21:31:58]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: ZFS guidelines say youre supposed to have ~2GB/TB of storage

[21:31:59]

sphery:

if so, no channel change script, so timeout is not the issue

[21:32:24]

wagnerrp:

ive got a 5.25TB array, a 300GB array, and two 2TB disks... on 2GB of memory

[21:32:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Ah, just a thought... ;-) I know it helped my machine TONS... commflagging, even though 'niced' was killing my system... now I don't even notice them running...

[21:32:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: ouch!

[21:32:47]

Arsenick:

sphery: yes the analog cable is plugin into my tuner card

[21:32:51]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, that's a rough amount of ram...

[21:32:56]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: no, its all disk io

[21:33:06]

wagnerrp:

my CPU is pretty slow, but its very rarely peaked out

[21:33:15]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: DDR1 is expensive

[21:33:26]

wagnerrp:

erm wait...

[21:33:33]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, well, I mean the 2gb/tb amount

[21:33:35]

sphery:

Arsenick: analog cable meaning RF-modulated signal sent over coax cable with f-connector (versus analog S-Video or analog Composite cable)?

[21:33:35]

wagnerrp:

its 2GB of DDR, so isnt that really 4GB?

[21:33:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: check out http://kahlon.com – might be cheaper than you think...

[21:33:40]

** kormoc laughs **

[21:34:10]

wagnerrp:

double regular ram...erm no... thats DRR memory

[21:34:16]

wagnerrp:

drr

[21:34:19]

wagnerrp:

f'in retard

[21:34:41]

kormoc:

$40 per gig of ddr eh? that's really not that bad

[21:34:59]

sphery:

Arsenick: can you record without mythtv? have you tried testing the capture elsewhere (even with ivtvtune and cat or dd)

[21:35:09]

wagnerrp:

thats pretty awful

[21:35:22]

wagnerrp:

i could upgrade the whole system AND get 4GB of DDR3 for that much

[21:35:35]

Arsenick:

sphery: it's an analog coax cable :P I tried with cat /dev/vide0 and the output is great

[21:35:50]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, depends on many sticks you get

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: for $40? Where are you shopping, the back of a van in the Home Depot parking lot? ;-)

[21:36:07]

Arsenick:

sphery: it seems to work perfect and after few second the frontend freeze and i can see in the console a lot of error like this: layer(0): Waited 100ms for video buffers AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUuL

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: $40 for a 1GB stick, and its probably double ranked

[21:36:47]

wagnerrp:

i already have 2GB (4 ranks) in there

[21:37:00]

wagnerrp:

the old AMD64s didnt like having all 8 ranks populated

[21:37:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Punch in your exact MB, and they'll list what is guaranteed to work.

[21:37:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

Right...

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kajamaja:

hey guys

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wagnerrp:

they would run, but they would run slow

[21:37:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

!seen guys

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MythLogBot:

guys has not been seen here

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

[21:37:56]

wagnerrp:

besides, its just not worth maintaining such an old system

[21:38:01]

wagnerrp:

i need to replace it

[21:38:30]

kajamaja:

has anyone successfully install mythtv with hdhomerun

[21:38:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: yep, that's why I just put out $300 for a new MB/CPU/RAM – Athlon 64 x4 640 + 8GB DDR3 1333 ;-)

[21:38:43]

wagnerrp:

yes, several of us run mythtv with an HDHR

[21:38:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

kajamaja: many of us. I run 2 of them .

[21:38:56]

wagnerrp:

including the designers of the HDHR

[21:39:01]

kajamaja:

for the channel line up what do you guys do

[21:39:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

kajamaja: It's the most reliable tuner I've ever had...

[21:39:13]

wagnerrp:

use the internal mythtv scanner

[21:39:23]

wagnerrp:

match up the scanned channels with my schedules direct lineup

[21:39:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

kajamaja: here in the US – Schedules Direct.

[21:39:39]

kajamaja:

i am using with windows media center

[21:39:47]

kajamaja:

i want to switch to mythtv

[21:40:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

kajamaja: You just redeemed yourself, I was prepared to blast you. ;-)

[21:40:22]

kajamaja:

i am sorry to use it with WMC

[21:40:29]

sphery:

Arsenick: not sure what could cause that... haven't used IVTV cards for 5 years, now

[21:40:39]

wagnerrp:

kajamaja: the issue wasnt using WMC

[21:40:44]

kajamaja:

for some reason i never get it working with mythtv

[21:40:47]

wagnerrp:

the issue was coming to the mythtv help channel for help with WMC

[21:40:54]

skd5aner:

eh... blast over what? WMC will be able to use triple cablecard tuners on the HDHR prime, I'm a bit jealous of that to be honest

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: mythtv can and does use the HDHR Prime

[21:41:14]

MuFoxxa:

Muahaha, playing with IPv6 is fun. I miss having "fun" with compluters

[21:41:16]

MuFoxxa:

MuFoxxa is connecting from *@out.of.phaze.org 2001:470:1d:442::1

[21:41:18]

MuFoxxa:

hehe

[21:41:19]

skd5aner:

it's not like WMC sucks... just to play devil's advocate

[21:41:20]

wagnerrp:

0.24 can use the HDHRP

[21:41:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

skd5aner: Myth will too, as long as the 'do not copy' flag is not set on the channel/recording.

[21:41:35]

kajamaja:

lol

[21:41:41]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I mean without the restrictions of "copy freely" only

[21:41:51]

** wagnerrp wonders if the old grey fox has been using too much LSD **

[21:41:58]

skd5aner:

which – is everything my provider, and tens-of-millions of others will find

[21:41:59]

Arsenick:

sphery: anyway thx for helping, I'm reading the webpage you gave me.. But I just don't understand, therE's no error on the backend, so everything look fine regarding the tuner, it look like the problem is the frontend..

[21:42:00]

kajamaja:

the problem with WMC is that the files are huge

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GreyFoxx:

wag: If only :)

[21:42:11]

kajamaja:

what is the best way to compress them

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kajamaja:

compress faster

[21:42:25]

wagnerrp:

kajamaja: buy a larger hard drive

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skd5aner:

kajamaja: no difference between WMC and mythtv in terms of file size

[21:42:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

kajamaja: it's very easy in Myth. Large? Like 6GB/hr? That's nothing...

[21:42:44]

sphery:

Arsenick: yeah, it sounds like your mythtv setup is probably fine, now... that means it's either hardware, drivers, signal, or "underlying system" issues

[21:42:46]

kajamaja:

i have 4TB but that is not the probem, 1/2 hr show is like 6GB

[21:43:03]

wagnerrp:

kajamaja: no, a half hour show will be maybe 4GB maximum

[21:43:04]

sphery:

which really doesn't help you narrow it down, much, at all

[21:43:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: But a cat of /dev/video0 is crystal-clear for him... so it's strange...

[21:43:19]

kajamaja:

4 or 6 they are huge

[21:43:27]

skd5aner:

oh, and to clarify my comment above... I can almost guarentee that none of my content will be copy freely, besides maybe the broadcasts

[21:43:34]

sphery:

jeffery: if so, then it's likely the "underlying system" issues

[21:43:41]

sphery:

er, J-e-f-f-A ^^^

[21:43:44]

wagnerrp:

yeah, full channel for half an hour is only 4.3GB

[21:43:54]

sphery:

stupid autocomplete... sorry other jeffery

[21:43:58]

skd5aner:

so HDHR prime, is a holy grail device for some, but not me

[21:43:59]

kajamaja:

that is a huge file

[21:44:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

kajamaja: The HDHR, as well as *any* digital tuner, just dumps the signal to disk un-modified...

[21:44:05]

wagnerrp:

not really

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kajamaja:

if you convert to .H264 it is like 300 MB

[21:44:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: hehehe.. ;-)

[21:44:26]

wagnerrp:

no, if you convert to h264, its like 1.5GB

[21:44:42]

kajamaja:

well

[21:44:44]

wagnerrp:

maybe 1GB if its very clean content

[21:44:50]

skd5aner:

kajamaja: if you are using any PVR, you should not expect small video files

[21:44:53]

kajamaja:

that is way too much

[21:44:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

my h.264 recordings are 6–7GB/hr – but they're at about 14Mbps too...

[21:45:03]

Arsenick:

sphery: nop, plus I've tried on few other computer on the LAN over wireless and the frontend has the same problem on F13 and F14..

[21:45:07]

wagnerrp:

what do you expect, theres a crapton of data there

[21:45:08]

skd5aner:

kajamaja: transcoding is kind of a waste when 2TB hard drives are $80

[21:45:15]

sphery:

Arsenick: so, it sounds like maybe audio configuration issues in mythtv (which can cause playback issues) or problems with the system's accessing the file, reading the data, decoding audio and video data, ...

[21:45:20]

kajamaja:

cmon dude

[21:45:38]

kajamaja:

streaming is impossible with huge files

[21:45:44]

skd5aner:

streaming to what?

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sphery:

Arsenick: make sure you go into (main) General Settings in mythfrontend and scan for your audio devices and then choose one from the found ones

[21:45:50]

kajamaja:

ps3

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skd5aner:

why?

[21:45:55]

Arsenick:

sphery: I just found that the sound on my computer are not working anymore... could make sense

[21:45:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

kajamaja: so you switched from 'files are too big' to 'streaming?

[21:45:59]

wagnerrp:

19Mbps is trivial over any sensible network

[21:46:02]

sphery:

Arsenick: and if you have pulse audio on there, you may need to use PulseAudio type setting

[21:46:18]

kajamaja:

its same problem

[21:46:21]

sphery:

yeah, you'll need to fix audio

[21:46:25]

skd5aner:

unless you're running a 10mbit ethernet, which is almost impossible, it's not a problem at all

[21:46:27]

sphery:

that's the AAAAA in your log

[21:46:27]

kajamaja:

file too huge == hard to stream

[21:46:28]

Arsenick:

sphery: allright, I'll logout and comback to doublecheck those settings

[21:46:32]

Arsenick:

thanks again!!

[21:46:45]

sphery:

when it's crying out in pain... "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUuL"

[21:46:49]

wagnerrp:

kajamaja: no, the PS3 has no problem streaming and playing back full bitrate ATSC

[21:46:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

My son's PS3 plays my MPEG2 720p and 1080i just fine, as well as my HD-PVR H.264 encoded 1080i ust fine...

[21:47:02]

skd5aner:

kajamaja: on a home network, even on 100mb, you can stream multiple recordings at full bitrate with NO issues

[21:47:14]

sphery:

I don't remember all the details of that message, but... A is definitely audio stuff

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs at sphery — that was good "AAAAUUUU"... **

[21:47:34]

kajamaja:

but windows does not decode them to .H264 + 802.11g is not that great

[21:48:03]

wagnerrp:

kajamaja: youre right, 802.11g is not that great

[21:48:06]

kajamaja:

+ HD homerun takes much of the bandwith while recording

[21:48:24]

wagnerrp:

thats why we have this wondrous tool called copper wiring

[21:48:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

kajamaja: Well, wireless... another issue. My house is wired, Gigabit now, but 100mbps worked fine too.

[21:48:29]

stuartm:

10Mbit isn't all that unusual given the relative cost of a replacement switch and/or the failure of some users to realise they the need to upgrade all components in an older network

[21:48:34]

wagnerrp:

you string it between your server and your PS3

[21:48:49]

wagnerrp:

suddenly that 19mbps becomes trivial against a 1000mbps rated link

[21:48:50]

kajamaja:

its is one issue

[21:49:18]

skd5aner:

stuartm: I'm not sure I could buy a 10Mb network device without purposely seekign it out... in consumer applicaitons that is

[21:49:35]

kajamaja:

so no real help

[21:49:37]

kajamaja:

thanks anyway

[21:49:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

kajamaja: Myth does not do real-time transcoding and/or streaming...

[21:49:50]

skd5aner:

stuartm: just like you can't go to a big box store and fine a "hub" – you can't buy it

[21:50:06]

skd5aner:

stuartm: of course I can go online and find anything I want... but

[21:50:13]

stuartm:

skd5aner: but you might still be using one that you bought years ago

[21:50:49]

skd5aner:

stuartm: very true, but when was the timeframe when 10/100mb consumer network devices just became the norm? 10 years ago?

[21:51:00]

kormoc:

sphery, I thought A was Available, U is Used?

[21:51:03]

wagnerrp:

stuartm: if you were into home networking long enough ago to get a hub, surely you have upgraded since then

[21:51:12]

skd5aner:

kormoc: unavailable :)

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kormoc:

heh, fair 'nuff

[21:51:34]

stuartm:

unaware that despite upgrading all your computer/laptop to one with onboard GigE you're let down by that one component which still seems to be working well

[21:51:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: wait, you mean my hub isn't performing at Gigabit speeds? what?

[21:51:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

[21:51:47]

stuartm:

wagnerrp: I'd be less sure

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sphery:

kormoc: oh, that might be

[21:51:50]

wagnerrp:

do they even make gigabit hubs?

[21:52:06]

stuartm:

hubs, I doubt it

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skd5aner:

sure they do

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skd5aner:

in commercial applications

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J-e-f-f-A:

nope. ;-) I was making a 'funny'... ^ what? Never heard of them... Switches only AFAIK...

[21:53:15]

sphery:

kormoc: danielk wrote a message about it, but don't remember what to search for

[21:53:48]

kormoc:

sphery, how's the log line start?

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stuartm:

I still don't have a GigE switch even though all my machines have the hardware, hard to justify the cost – but then I know what I'm doing, I didn't buy and install a home networking kit from my local PC World 5–10 years ago (they were still selling 10Mbit hubs/switches in cheap kits until that point)

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kormoc:

stuartm, GigE is less useful without jumbo frames for raw transfers, and most cheaper GigE nics don't support them

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stuartm:

kormoc: yeah, like I said, hard to justify the cost

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sphery:

layer(0): Waited 100ms for video buffers AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUuL

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: at least nice gige cards can handle the packet throughput and dont need jumbo frames

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J-e-f-f-A:

... and If I understand it right, jumbo frames only work if all the devices on the network can use them, right?

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skd5aner:

J-e-f-f-A: without fragmentation, yes

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: devices will scale accordingly

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skd5aner:

at least between the two nodes

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stuartm:

it's much easier to justify upgrading a 10Mbit hub, but only if you know that the hub is a bottle neck and I can imagine that not everyone will – like I said, people may upgrade their computers which these days will include a 100Mbit+ NIC but they might not think about that hub sitting on a shelf or in a cupboard

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J-e-f-f-A:

One thing that I did notice when I switched to Gigabit hubs was that the latency was reduced – Channel Guide comes up faster on remote frontends, playback starts much faster, etc. ;-)

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wagnerrp:

i have noticed that

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J-e-f-f-A:

... and that was just going from 100Mbps switches to Gbe switches. (systems already had gig cards)

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wagnerrp:

i thought my old Barton 2500 was just CPU limited

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J-e-f-f-A:

er... gigabit SWITCHES. ;-)

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sphery:

kormoc: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/169836#169836

[21:58:43]

wagnerrp:

but going from 100mbps to 1gbps made a very noticeable difference

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sphery:

turns out my mistake was trying to search on gossamer

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kormoc:

ahh

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Ha! That's the same cpu in my Wintel box. ;-)

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sphery:

kormoc: searching my IRC logs gave me the log location of the day where you last told me where to find that

[22:00:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: My slowest Myth box is a C2d 2.2Ghz... and fastest is going to be my backend at a quad-core 3Ghz Athlon II x4 640 ... ;-)

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** kormoc laughs **

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: if that javascript you were proposing were smart enough to simply take a git hash and then always replace it with teh git describe output, that'd be awesome, but i'm assuming that's not nearly as simple to accomplish

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stuartm:

I'll move to a GigE switch once a combined router/802.11n wireless/GigE switch drops to what I'd call a reasonable price – until then my 100Mbit switch/router and 802.11g AP are just about managing to remain relevant

[22:01:10]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: that was the intention

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: I haven't updated my Wintel box in MANY years... ;-) (Probably since I started with Myth!!!)

[22:01:27]

sphery:

Next time, I'll just remember to search for: AAAAAALAULAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAUAUUUULUULAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAALAAAAAAAAAAAAAUAALAAAAAAAAA AAAAUUAUUALAAAAAAAUAAUAAUAALAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAULAAL UUULAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUU

[22:01:33]

sphery:

then I can get there from gossamer

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skd5aner:

sphery: that sounds like a bad song

[22:01:57]

sphery:

skd5aner: not so bad if you use autotune

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skd5aner:

sphery: or some tribal chant

[22:02:40]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: actually, the javascript wouldnt be smart enough to do anything but poll a web application living on code.mythtv.org

[22:02:42]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: so the js would be smart enough to 1) look up repository and 2) display the nice output in place of the hash?

[22:02:58]

wagnerrp:

the web application part of it being half written already

[22:02:59]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: sure, I'm abstracting that part and just refering to the end result ;)

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I'd seriously owe you, and whoever else is helping write that, big time

[22:03:46]

wagnerrp:

ideally, the javascript would scan the page for any hashes, query the application once, and update them all in place on the page

[22:04:32]

wagnerrp:

would need to get some help from beirdo getting the github commit hooks in place to update the database

[22:04:51]

skd5aner:

what about a similiar application that could take anything that was {{changeset|#}} and replace it with the equiv. git hash? similiar to the ability here in IRC?

[22:05:07]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, Are we able to use those hooks at all? I thought that was why we can't get any trac integration anymore?

[22:05:08]

wagnerrp:

i actually had written this thing in the first place to aid with package manager

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wagnerrp:

but ended up going the other route

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: github provides commit hooks, the trac integration is simply broken

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sphery:

skd5aner: I did -x on my recent cherry-picking :)

[22:08:18]

skd5aner:

and that, sir, is why you're my favorite dev

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sphery:

don't konw about merging, though... I think that will always have the original message

[22:08:32]

wagnerrp:

what does -x do?

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** skd5aner is easily swayed by bribes and other do-good-deads to swing his favorite dev vote to another dev **

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sphery:

wagnerrp: puts "(cherry picked from commit <hash>)" at the bottom of the message

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skd5aner:

basically, allows the commit-log to reference the commit it was backported from

[22:10:07]

wagnerrp:

any way we could configure the repository to do that automatically?

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skd5aner:

which, is invaluable info for me to reference in a commit

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sphery:

skd5aner: unfortunately, with a merge, I'm pretty sure you /always/ get the original commit message. If you use git merge -m, you only get to specify the message for the actual merge commit

[22:10:15]

wagnerrp:

or have devs do something to do that automatically?

[22:10:16]

sphery:

not any of the merged commits

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sphery:

devs could set aliases

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sphery:

but it would be annoying if they set -x as an alias then cherry-picked from a private branch or something

[22:12:57]

skd5aner:

another strike against me trying to update the release notes – I'm temporarily back to a single monitor... being without dual monitors is very painful anymore

[22:14:16]

sphery:

Yeah, they need to get a nice 1200p cinema-wide monitor...

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sphery:

2820x1200... would be nice

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wagnerrp:

yes, 1200.... because 1080 just isnt quite tall enough

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sphery:

could play my 16:9 TV full height and still have working room

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sphery:

agreed...

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sphery:

1080 is awful for a computer monitor

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sphery:

great for tv, though

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wagnerrp:

my x1200 screen is so much more usable than my x1024 screens

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

I'm working on a 1920x1200@24"

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wagnerrp:

24?

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sphery:

it's nice having 9 terms showing at once

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

monitor size

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wagnerrp:

eew

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blizzard_:

Question: how do I get subtitles on channels that dont code the into the picture?

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wagnerrp:

oh, inch

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wagnerrp:

nevermind

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wagnerrp:

blizzard_: 't'

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blizzard_:

any plugins like gsub or similar available?

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blizzard_:

oh, hehe

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blizzard_:

which button is T on my remote? =)

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wagnerrp:

the one you programmed

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wagnerrp:

t (i believe) cycles through available subtitle streams

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pheld:

t is on/off

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pheld:

choose available streams with menu

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wagnerrp:

been a while since ive used it, only got one foreign language movie

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sphery:

NEXTCC goes to next

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sphery:

T is TOGGLECC by default

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sphery:

but you can remap

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sphery:

There's also TOGGLETTC for teletext people who want to use that instead of non-teletext

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wagnerrp:

sphery: any way to delete a commercial detection from the UI?

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wagnerrp:

seems ive managed to run mythcommflag on a clipped show

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sphery:

and TOGGLECC608 and TOGGLECC708, too

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pheld:

for most ppl it's probably better to choose the preferred language for subs in the config

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sphery:

wagnerrp: can't thing of one...

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pheld:

and to set default subs onor off

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sphery:

only way I know is mythcommflag --clearcutlist

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sphery:

but that's not UI

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sphery:

wagnerrp: would be wonderful to add it to frontend UI in playback box, though...

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sphery:

both clearcutlist and clearskiplist

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sphery:

er, you want the latter, though, for your case--you said commercial detection

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wagnerrp:

its purely cosmetic

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wagnerrp:

i dont have auto-skip enabled

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sphery:

yeah, I would also want to clear it

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wagnerrp:

seems ive gotten myself into a bind

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wagnerrp:

my master and slave have their own disks, not mounted over nfs

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wagnerrp:

so clipping needs to be done on the recording host

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wagnerrp:

so i have that option checked

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wagnerrp:

except mythvidexport only runs on the master backend... and runs against the recording host

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Shadow__X:

so i ran scte65scan and removed the channels that i will not use. Can i renumber the multi plex id's or should i just leave them the same

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Shadow__X:

before they were in numerical order but now they are less than 10 left

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: We don't provide support for scte65scan

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iamlindoro:

Generally speaking, we don't even encourage its use

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iamlindoro:

If you must use it, then why not import what may or may not be correct SQL, and *then* delete your channels in a mythTV approved manner?

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iamlindoro:

ie, go to the channel editor and filter out the ones you don't want

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iamlindoro:

that way if things get fouled up, it's at least in code that we support

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iamlindoro:

As it is, you've not got SQL (bad) output by an unsupported third party tool (bad) that you've edited by hand (bad) and now want to further re-edit for no particular gain (bad) before cramming it into your database, in which case you could have latent problems waiting to bite you all at once or months down the road (bad)

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: thanks. Yeah i realized my errors. The reason why it wasnt working right was non other than my fault.

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Shadow__X:

its all working now. I have to rtfm more

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pheld:

Are other renderers equally bad as vdpau wrt error recovery from errors in HD-streams?

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wagnerrp:

renderers cant be bad at error recovery

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pheld:

with vdpau I have to skip back/forth to get rid of artifacts

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wagnerrp:

its simply not possible due to their function

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pheld:

while the same recording plays back perfect on a panasonic viera via upnp

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Shadow__X:

isnt the solution to fix errors in a recording to rerecord?

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wagnerrp:

error recovery is done with the decoder, not the renderer

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kormoc:

pheld, afaik it's how all libavcodec players work

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wagnerrp:

so if youre not satisfied with playback through VDPAU, use the 'standard' (ffmpeg) decoders

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pheld:

sorry, my bad. I ment the decoder. using vdpau that's sonw in hw

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, even on ffmpeg decoders, a glitch on my h264 recording never clears up

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: at least until you hit the next keyframe

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, unless keyframes are tens of minutes between?

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wagnerrp:

what uses keyframes that far apart?

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pheld:

playback with vdpau is ok, and my only option for HD. CPU can'y cope wit HD

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sphery:

kormoc: you sure you didn't burn the glitch into your video card?

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wagnerrp:

again

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, my hdpvr recordings, once it glitches I have to skip to get it to go away and it persists for 10's of minutes

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

perhaps I did!

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pheld:

skip is the only way to clear the image. waiting for any length of time changes nothing. However, the decoding done within the TV-set is flawless. With rainfade the myth FE can get really bad, while there's still no prob decoding the recorded file on the TV.

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pheld:

which has led me to the conclusion that panasonic's decoder is more resilient than nvidia's

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pheld:

which in turn probably is a question for nvnews ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

pheld: It's also possible the tuner in your TV is better too.

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pheld:

this is the TV playing myth-files via DLNA/UPnP

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J-e-f-f-A:

oh, ok. ;-)

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Shadow__X:

its a special tuner. It fixes streams it didnt record!

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pheld:

modern TV's do IP-stuff, which is really good. Simple access to recordings. All that's missing is a simple way to add timecodes to broadcasted streams to enable seek on clients which rely on timecodes for that.

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pheld:

no need for a frontend box for playback on the TV.

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sphery:

fun, looks like I may have lost a 1.5TB HDD of recordings

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sphery:

only 1 TB used

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Shadow__X:

only

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Shadow__X:

that stinks. What happened

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sphery:

and of course, the day /after/ the $69.99 2TB drive

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sphery:

turns out the sound that I thought was a failing fan was a HDD :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, but that was a $20 MIR

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sphery:

just old age, I guess

[23:33:34]

sphery:

yeah, but $20 MIR is better than nothing

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sphery:

actually seems the rebate and promo are still good

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sphery:

and, now I actually know how to properly partition a WD Green, so...

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wagnerrp:

each ID on a webpage must be unique, right?

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

names can be redundant

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sphery:

or repeated, I suppose

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sphery:

or maybe I have that wrong

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sphery:

oh, I'm thinking of class that can be repeated

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

and id and name share a namespac

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wagnerrp:

trying to think of how i could update the changeset tags on the wiki in javascript

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wagnerrp:

getElementsByName will work

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, just include jquery and use it's selector

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wagnerrp:

woosh

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, http://api.jquery.com/category/selectors/

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sphery:

274 recordings

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weez:

h

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weez:

hi

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wagnerrp:

seems <span> tags do not accept 'name' as an attribute

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weez:

what is the best way for a beginner to install myth on a dedicated computer in a weekend?

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jamesd2:

ubuntu... or mythbutu seem to be quite easy for me, especially if you have debian/ubutu experience

[23:50:30]

sphery:

a large proportion of The Event is on that drive :(

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weez:

what about knoppmyth

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wagnerrp:

knoppmyth doesnt exist any longer

[23:52:05]

wagnerrp:

the author has moved to arch and linhes

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stuartm:

ugh, I somehow missed recording the last episode of The Event, I'm just hoping they reshow it before resuming the season this year

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wagnerrp:

honestly, i just lost interest

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weez:

ooh

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: swap <span> for <div>?

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weez:

I tried to install mythbuntu, but I had problems etting my tuners to work.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: new addition to my "when to delete a series without watching" rule of thumb: when you lose a hard drive with sufficient percentage of the episodes for the series

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wagnerrp:

seems 'name' only works with anchors and inputs

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wagnerrp:

neither of which can be used on mediawiki

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, id is the field you likely want?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: ids need to be unique

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kormoc:

that's true

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kormoc:

what are you after?

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stuartm:

wow I'm rusty, there was a time when this stuff was second-nature to me

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wagnerrp:

i want an easy way to find the changeset and gitcommit templates off the wiki

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