| Thursday, January 13th, 2011, 00:01 UTC | ||
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| [00:02:15] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [00:02:44] | mattwj2002: | I got mythexport to work |
| [00:02:44] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [00:02:57] | mattwj2002: | using handbrake |
| [00:02:58] | hashbang: | mattwj2002: well done |
| [00:02:59] | wagnerrp: | mythexport or nuvexport? |
| [00:03:27] | mattwj2002: | mythexport |
| [00:03:31] | mattwj2002: | thanks |
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| [00:05:40] | kormoc: | woo! yet another unsupported exporter! |
| [00:05:47] | kormoc: | nothing like fragmentation of effort |
| [00:06:53] | mattwj2002: | I couldn't get ffmpeg to work |
| [00:07:03] | mattwj2002: | so I built my own working configuration |
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| [00:08:07] | kormoc: | nothing like using a wrapper to ffmpeg to get ffmpeg working |
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| [00:16:23] | Beirdo: | mattwj2002: if you want handbrake support in nuvexport, feel free to send along settings |
| [00:16:46] | Beirdo: | I haven't used it yet |
| [00:17:02] | Beirdo: | although, it might be difficult with the cutlist support part :) |
| [00:17:09] | mattwj2002: | Beirdo: I don't know how to do it in Beirdo |
| [00:17:17] | mattwj2002: | *nuvexport |
| [00:17:23] | Beirdo: | you'd better not do it in me. |
| [00:17:30] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:17:39] | wagnerrp: | thats what she said |
| [00:17:41] | Beirdo: | handbrake command-lines... |
| [00:17:54] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [00:17:56] | Beirdo: | I can make the exporters, but the commandline options... |
| [00:18:05] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yeah, THAT one makes sense :) |
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| [00:19:48] | mattwj2002: | Beirdo: |
| [00:19:49] | mattwj2002: | http://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki/BuiltInPresets |
| [00:20:00] | mattwj2002: | I used the iPod one |
| [00:20:21] | mattwj2002: | excuse me the iPod Touch one |
| [00:24:54] | mattwj2002: | Beirdo: |
| [00:24:56] | mattwj2002: | does that help? |
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| [00:25:49] | Beirdo: | sorry, had to step away for a moment |
| [00:25:59] | Beirdo: | stupid work :) |
| [00:26:10] | Beirdo: | oh cool, yeah that could help |
| [00:26:21] | Beirdo: | the biggest issue will be cutlist support, I think |
| [00:26:52] | Beirdo: | but, I'm certainly not opposed to the idea :) |
| [00:27:23] | Beirdo: | want to reorganize the flow of the menus for nuvexport too |
| [00:28:31] | Beirdo: | wonder if you can chain --start-at, --stop-at to do multiple cuts |
| [00:28:44] | mattwj2002: | yeah |
| [00:29:01] | mattwj2002: | I don't currently have a cutlist with mythexport |
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| [00:29:22] | mattwj2002: | but at least I have ipod files |
| [00:29:22] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [00:29:34] | Beirdo: | you can do that with nuvexport too |
| [00:29:50] | Beirdo: | we export either H.264 or MP4, tweaked for iPod |
| [00:30:12] | Beirdo: | using settings from whoever sent it in long ago |
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| [00:32:22] | mattwj2002: | handbrake works great from what I can tell |
| [00:32:33] | Beirdo: | yeah, having more options is good |
| [00:32:36] | mattwj2002: | besides the commerical breaks |
| [00:33:01] | mattwj2002: | it is slow on my system |
| [00:33:20] | mattwj2002: | but my system is only a 1.7 Ghz P4 with 512 MB of RAM |
| [00:33:21] | mattwj2002: | go figure! |
| [00:33:28] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [00:58:01] | stf: | hi I have a mac (10.6.x) and installed Mysql and so on, but myth cannot connect to the mysql server on localhost. I also deactivate the firewall temporary with no result. I can log in with "mysql --user=mymyth -p MyMythtv". Any idea? |
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| [01:01:37] | kormoc: | stf, turn off skip networking in your my.cnf file |
| [01:02:11] | ** iamlindoro wonders why people choose to change the DB name ** | |
| [01:02:38] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, it's a big red button that says "Please don't press" |
| [01:02:41] | stf: | kormoc: where should i find my.cnf? |
| [01:02:45] | iamlindoro: | since it means you can't cut and paste any other DB instructions from anywhere, you'll be forever editing them to match your silly DB name |
| [01:02:51] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, heh |
| [01:03:06] | sphery: | but it's more secure, right? ;) |
| [01:05:20] | kormoc: | stf, check your install docs for mysql |
| [01:09:38] | stf: | hm.. for what should i look exactly cause the docs a not realy informatively |
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| [01:24:05] | stf: | hm i think i do know what the problem is, through my macports i have also sqlite installed, but i can only solve this if i find the config file |
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| [01:29:01] | sdkovacs: | Hi All, earlier on I was here complaining about Curb Your Enthusiasm Season 7 Disk2 .iso not working properly. I now have a log on pastebin |
| [01:29:08] | sdkovacs: | http://pastebin.com/v2aAwAAR |
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| [01:34:14] | iamlindoro: | 2011-01–12 20:21:41.277 DVDRB: DVDNAV_STOP |
| [01:34:24] | iamlindoro: | suggests that it's libdvdnav itself that is failing |
| [01:34:29] | iamlindoro: | rather than myth |
| [01:34:37] | iamlindoro: | libdvdnav: trying to resume without any resume info set |
| [01:34:41] | iamlindoro: | sounds like something libdvdnav can't handle |
| [01:38:15] | sdkovacs: | hmm. i'll poke around dvdnav on google and see if other have come across this problem. Thanks for your help, iamlindoro |
| [01:45:40] | wagnerrp: | so, my guide data says Human Target, but my recording says Raising Hope |
| [01:45:46] | wagnerrp: | WTF is going on here |
| [01:47:07] | wagnerrp: | ah, rescheduled due to memorial service |
| [01:47:38] | wagnerrp: | why did those people have to go and get themselves shot |
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| [02:16:33] | wagnerrp: | ooh, ION on woot for $50 |
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| [03:46:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | wrong ION |
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| [03:51:17] | Beirdo: | that's not a bad price for what it is |
| [03:51:29] | Beirdo: | but I don't have that much vinyl to deal with |
| [03:51:52] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: heh |
| [03:52:02] | Beirdo: | but... I could get some |
| [03:52:12] | JEDIDIAH__: | I got all excited there for a moment... |
| [03:52:45] | ** wagnerrp ponders asking the mailing list if this ION will make a good frontend ** | |
| [03:53:11] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: get some vinyl just to digitize it? seems... backwards... |
| [03:53:19] | JEDIDIAH__: | You know, Frys has started selling Vinyl again. |
| [03:53:43] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:53:58] | Beirdo: | well, some stuff just does sound better on vinyl |
| [03:54:02] | JEDIDIAH__: | you mean people would go in the forward direction and make LPs out of MP3's? |
| [03:54:05] | Beirdo: | and getting old jazz, etc... |
| [03:54:45] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: i mean why would you intentionally seek out old vinyl to digitize, rather than getting CDs or MP3 downloads |
| [03:55:01] | wagnerrp: | unless you dont trust audio engineers to not compress the hell out of everything |
| [03:55:05] | JEDIDIAH__: | that would be CDs that suffer from the whole "loudness" thing. |
| [03:55:23] | wagnerrp: | i knew they did that with new releases |
| [03:55:36] | wagnerrp: | but do they frequently do that with old stuff re-released on CD? |
| [03:55:55] | JEDIDIAH__: | I dunno. there may be some merit in digitizing 30 year old vinyl. |
| [03:56:22] | wagnerrp: | vinyl that has been stored properly, maybe |
| [03:56:23] | JEDIDIAH__: | although some CDs are getting to that age. |
| [03:56:58] | JEDIDIAH__: | I will have to ask my local friendly neighorhood vinyl hoarder how his disks sound these days. |
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| [03:59:13] | RomioTango: | anyone having issues with mythtv 0.24 and video playback? |
| [03:59:50] | iamlindoro: | You are going to need to be much, much more specific |
| [04:00:09] | RomioTango: | I just reinstalled my OS (mythbuntu 10.10 – upgraded Mythtv to 0.24) it goes to the cut screen with the count down screen then times out/dies? |
| [04:00:12] | iamlindoro: | as the only thing the above will do is give you someone else having you exact problem, rather than putting you into contact with someone who can actually tell you how to fix it |
| [04:00:37] | RomioTango: | iamlindoro, I was in the process of typing it out |
| [04:00:43] | iamlindoro: | So you should read your logs, both front and backend |
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| [04:02:06] | RomioTango: | iamlindoro, will you take a look at them if i throw them on pastebin? |
| [04:02:16] | wagnerrp: | crap... accidentally sent an html email |
| [04:02:33] | wagnerrp: | forgot to force the formatting on Kelvin Smith's mess |
| [04:03:37] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: im wondering what he had to do to get those scripts running on python 2.4 |
| [04:03:59] | wagnerrp: | basically, ALL the database access would be broken in 2.4 |
| [04:04:08] | RomioTango: | http://pastebin.com/qyuF67kR |
| [04:04:12] | RomioTango: | theres the log for my FE |
| [04:05:01] | wagnerrp: | sounds like your backend got wedged |
| [04:05:12] | iamlindoro: | or that it's misconfigured in the first place |
| [04:05:16] | RomioTango: | http://pastebin.com/vu9B4ZPS |
| [04:05:22] | iamlindoro: | ie, loopback on one of the addys |
| [04:05:28] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [04:05:34] | RomioTango: | theres the backend |
| [04:05:56] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: for me it's more out of print stuff that you really can't get on CD anyways |
| [04:06:02] | iamlindoro: | You have configured half of the backend with a public IP, and the other half with a loopback |
| [04:06:07] | iamlindoro: | thus, it's broken |
| [04:06:17] | iamlindoro: | mythtv-setup, step 1 |
| [04:06:21] | iamlindoro: | on the backend |
| [04:06:24] | iamlindoro: | fix the IPs |
| [04:06:34] | wagnerrp: | so hes got a slave backend trying to connect back to itself? |
| [04:06:35] | wagnerrp: | fun |
| [04:06:44] | iamlindoro: | no, he's got a master backend with mismatched IPs |
| [04:06:49] | RomioTango: | I have the local Backend ip as 127.0.0.1 and the Master backend as 192.168.0.200 |
| [04:06:55] | iamlindoro: | you can't do that |
| [04:07:03] | iamlindoro: | if you're using IPs, they need to be all public IPs |
| [04:07:10] | RomioTango: | ohhh |
| [04:07:14] | iamlindoro: | and if you have multiple backends, you must use real IPs |
| [04:07:17] | wagnerrp: | right, so the master tries to run as a slave, and connect to the master on its own address |
| [04:07:27] | RomioTango: | ok |
| [04:07:29] | wagnerrp: | it finds itself, a slave, instead, and gets confused |
| [04:07:40] | iamlindoro: | RomioTango, How is the master supposed to talk to the slave when it checks the database and sees its address as 127.0.01? |
| [04:07:56] | iamlindoro: | BURN MYTHTV, IT SUCKS! |
| [04:08:01] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:08:03] | RomioTango: | I know it makes sense now.. |
| [04:08:05] | iamlindoro: | Oh wait, it's just an obvious misconfiguration |
| [04:08:21] | ** iamlindoro cues the circus music ** | |
| [04:08:22] | RomioTango: | just out of curiosity what are you guys setting for the HD ringbuffer? |
| [04:08:25] | Beirdo: | burn it, it's a witch! |
| [04:08:32] | wagnerrp: | RomioTango: ignore it |
| [04:08:33] | iamlindoro: | RomioTango, don't set anything, it has no effect |
| [04:08:35] | Shadow__X: | is there a way to have scte65scan scan 3 different tables during the same scan? or do i have to run the scan 3 times each time updating the sql table? |
| [04:08:42] | wagnerrp: | it hasnt done anything in several years |
| [04:08:50] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X, no, yes |
| [04:08:51] | RomioTango: | it comes set @ 9400 i believe |
| [04:09:00] | RomioTango: | oh alright |
| [04:09:02] | iamlindoro: | RomioTango, Don't touch settings that you don't understand |
| [04:09:10] | iamlindoro: | this is how Myth systems get broken |
| [04:09:31] | JEDIDIAH__: | backup stuff at least |
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| [04:09:38] | Shadow__X: | I already tried running it 3 seperate times but, the channels are not showing up on the source |
| [04:09:50] | RomioTango: | what about CPU usage? what exact effect does that have on the system? |
| [04:10:13] | iamlindoro: | RomioTango, Are you referring to the commercial flag settings? |
| [04:10:26] | Elv13: | Hi, I have moved to a new house and my channal list chnaged, however, MythTV refuse to follow. How can I delete my currect lineup and force it to grab a the new one for schedule direct (the schedule direct list is the right one) |
| [04:10:34] | RomioTango: | under Job Queue section of setup |
| [04:10:48] | RomioTango: | you can set CPU usage to High, Mid, Low |
| [04:10:51] | wagnerrp: | Elv13: leave your own lineup around, create a new one |
| [04:10:52] | iamlindoro: | RomioTango, What part of it are you not understanding? |
| [04:10:59] | wagnerrp: | move the tuner cards over to the new lineup |
| [04:11:03] | iamlindoro: | High allows it to use a high amount of CPU, low allows jobs to use a low amount... |
| [04:11:06] | iamlindoro: | etc. |
| [04:11:37] | RomioTango: | iamlindoro, yes but what do you gain by changing it one way or another.. just get things done faster? |
| [04:11:46] | iamlindoro: | you gain overhead to do other things |
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| [04:12:02] | wagnerrp: | RomioTango: the top two settings are CPU priority, controls whether it gets time before other applications |
| [04:12:12] | iamlindoro: | if your system isn't doing anything but commflagging, you might set it to high... if you're hoping to also decode and display video on a lower end system, you might need to use low... etc. |
| [04:12:22] | wagnerrp: | the lowest setting actually adds a wait loop, which limits the amount of time that can be used by the commflagging thread |
| [04:12:30] | iamlindoro: | and obviously, all of that is only relevant if you are actually running jobs |
| [04:12:40] | RomioTango: | alright |
| [04:12:40] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, it limits it to 20% of your total CPU |
| [04:13:08] | RomioTango: | my box has an athlon X2 3.0 think i'm safe setting it to High? |
| [04:13:27] | wagnerrp: | personally, i would leave it at the middle value |
| [04:13:41] | wagnerrp: | there is little reason to be running things at high priority |
| [04:13:54] | iamlindoro: | RomioTango, I would leave every single setting default unless you find a *need* to change it |
| [04:14:10] | iamlindoro: | You don't have to read through all of them and make decisions-- that's a quick way to break things |
| [04:15:06] | RomioTango: | yeah I'm leaving most of it stock |
| [04:15:34] | RomioTango: | would any of these settings be effected by the database? |
| [04:15:43] | iamlindoro: | I don't understand the question |
| [04:15:45] | Elv13: | wagnerrp: it have been years since I have done that, I see the schedule direct name in video source (videotron-ltee-cable-cable-dsfdrwerwerwer), set it to US-CABLE but when I go to channal editor and select my new source, I see no channals, then when I come back to video source, the name is gone |
| [04:15:48] | iamlindoro: | All settings are in the database |
| [04:16:04] | iamlindoro: | They're not "affected" by it... they live in it |
| [04:16:06] | RomioTango: | well I mean be effected by loading a prior database |
| [04:16:27] | iamlindoro: | All settings live in the database |
| [04:16:34] | wagnerrp: | Elv13: create a new video source in mythtv-setup, name it something descriptive like your new location |
| [04:16:37] | iamlindoro: | if you restored a database, the settings will be as they were in the old database |
| [04:16:45] | Elv13: | wagnerrp: i did |
| [04:16:46] | wagnerrp: | map it to the new schedules direct lineup you have created |
| [04:16:57] | RomioTango: | if the backup database was created by the following: mysqldump -u mythtv -p -t mythconverg record recorded \ |
| [04:16:57] | RomioTango: | oldrecorded recordedprogram recordedrating \ |
| [04:16:57] | RomioTango: | recordedmarkup recordedseek > recordings.sql |
| [04:17:08] | Elv13: | wagnerrp: but the content in it seem to be gone after I click finish |
| [04:17:09] | sphery: | and if your host name changes, the settings won't be associated with your new system on which you restored the database |
| [04:17:17] | wagnerrp: | go into the capture inputs, and map your tuners to the new video source |
| [04:17:19] | Elv13: | only the useranme and password stay |
| [04:17:35] | RomioTango: | would that import effect the current database in terms of backend setup or only effect recording related db parameters |
| [04:17:41] | sphery: | oh, but you're talking about configuration that's not settings, so ignore me |
| [04:17:42] | wagnerrp: | then in the capture inputs settings, import channels from listing provider |
| [04:17:55] | wagnerrp: | i forget the exact verbage |
| [04:18:14] | sphery: | Fetch channels from listings source |
| [04:18:28] | sphery: | and in French, Fetchez la Vache |
| [04:18:34] | sphery: | oh, wait, that's something else |
| [04:18:57] | Elv13: | wagnerrp: capture inputs? In capture card, I see no mention to video sourcezs |
| [04:19:08] | sphery: | Input Connections |
| [04:19:17] | Elv13: | oops |
| [04:19:19] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that one |
| [04:19:21] | Elv13: | I found it |
| [04:19:23] | wagnerrp: | item 4 |
| [04:19:23] | sphery: | I recommend starting your input connections config over: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [04:19:37] | RomioTango: | should the frontend be looking at database server | Hostname: localhost or should I set that to the ip address that the backend is working off of.. they're on the same physical box |
| [04:19:42] | wagnerrp: | you cant to keep your old source and old channels around |
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| [04:19:57] | wagnerrp: | or else the frontend can get a bit confused trying to figure out where recordings come from |
| [04:20:02] | wagnerrp: | s/cant/want/ |
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| [04:21:01] | RomioTango: | alright that all makes sense |
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| [04:21:22] | RomioTango: | next hurdle i have to tackle is getting my audio to port thru HDMI |
| [04:22:01] | RomioTango: | I've got it kind of working by calling out HW:1,3 or HW:HDMI,DEV=3 something like that |
| [04:22:16] | RomioTango: | but I have a feeling this isn't how i should be achieving this |
| [04:22:18] | Elv13: | wagnerrp, sphery: seem to work, thanks, db is filling now |
| [04:22:45] | sphery: | Elv13: enjoy |
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| [04:26:07] | Ruggie: | anyone alive out there? |
| [04:26:27] | tgm4883: | nope |
| [04:26:31] | wagnerrp: | all zombies here |
| [04:26:34] | ** tgm4883 zzzz zzzz zzzz zzzz ** | |
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| [04:26:39] | Ruggie: | lol |
| [04:26:47] | tgm4883: | brainsssss....... |
| [04:27:25] | Elv13: | I also have an other problem, I still use kernel 2.6.31 since newer mythbuntu kernel show my tv in invert color mode, is it mythtv fault or is there anything I can do? The old kernel don't play nice with modern OSS drivers |
| [04:27:38] | Ruggie: | well crap, lemme check the resources listed in the channel topic...but just to let ya'll know...I'm wondering if mythtv would work w/ a zio cameramate real-time video capture device |
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| [04:27:46] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt play nice with modern oss drivers |
| [04:28:39] | wagnerrp: | modern oss drivers typically dont provide the necessary video acceleration that mythtv needs |
| [04:28:43] | wagnerrp: | what video card do you have? |
| [04:29:34] | Ruggie: | who me? |
| [04:29:42] | wagnerrp: | Elv13 |
| [04:30:08] | wagnerrp: | Ruggie: you dont intend to record TV? |
| [04:30:41] | RomioTango: | BBC Life in 1080p is.... amazing lol |
| [04:31:01] | Ruggie: | ...I'm intending to use the Zio Corp Cameramate Real-time video usb device FOR recording live tv |
| [04:31:16] | wagnerrp: | ah, looks like an analog capture box |
| [04:31:21] | Ruggie: | yes |
| [04:31:34] | wagnerrp: | yeah, we dont support hardware directly, we support the V4L2 capture API |
| [04:31:43] | wagnerrp: | if that device has V4L2 compatible drivers, we can use it |
| [04:31:50] | Ruggie: | damn *snap* |
| [04:32:15] | wagnerrp: | but... theres not a whole lot of interest in developing drivers for analog framegrabber capture devices |
| [04:32:19] | wagnerrp: | especially one without a tuner |
| [04:32:29] | Elv13: | wagnerrp: it worked fine with mythbuntu 9.10, I will try with an old nvidia fx5500 AGP, it's the best I got (AGP), but I think its a drm problem because it used to work well and the old ATI9200 have been mostly implemented, the doc was shared in 2004, they had time, performance is now as good as it was with the old fglrx (before the rewrite) |
| [04:32:36] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [04:32:36] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [04:32:48] | wagnerrp: | Ruggie: see that link for device support |
| [04:33:07] | Ruggie: | I have an ATI RADEON 2400 HD agp video card (which is PERFECT for viewing, built-in s-video out as my folks are using an old-school tube |
| [04:33:11] | RomioTango: | wagnerrp, u may be right about that integrated radeon 4250 my board has.. 1080p playback occasionally has issues |
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| [04:33:45] | wagnerrp: | Elv13: the fx5500 should work fine with the nvidia legacy drivers and Xv |
| [04:33:50] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if it has enough power for opengl |
| [04:34:07] | kormoc: | it has enough for SD opengl, but that's it |
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| [04:34:28] | Elv13: | the 9200 ran in openGL mode just fine with OSS driver, the FX is much more powerfull |
| [04:34:42] | wagnerrp: | much more powerful is relative |
| [04:35:04] | wagnerrp: | theyre both pretty junky cards by even modern low end standards |
| [04:35:28] | wagnerrp: | but if you can get Xv working on either, thats good enough |
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| [04:36:59] | Elv13: | some of my frontend are old |
| [04:37:21] | Elv13: | they do their job since 5 years and I dont plan to replace them anytime soon |
| [04:37:23] | kormoc: | agp is ancient |
| [04:37:40] | wagnerrp: | well you wouldnt be able to replace them anyway |
| [04:37:47] | wagnerrp: | not without replacing the whole system |
| [04:37:50] | Elv13: | it was hot when mythtv became good |
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| [04:37:57] | wagnerrp: | which you will need to do should you ever want to do HD |
| [04:38:16] | Elv13: | I got 2 good frontend (c2d with vdpau) |
| [04:38:29] | Elv13: | but my backend+frontend is plain ancient |
| [04:39:04] | Elv13: | p4 3.2 with 2gb memory and agp cards. I still can stream 3 NTSC stream and an HD movie at once |
| [04:39:18] | Elv13: | not bad for 7 years old hardware |
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| [04:39:59] | wagnerrp: | well to be fair, none of that requires significant hardware |
| [04:40:06] | wagnerrp: | especially if youre using mpeg encoders for the analog |
| [04:40:22] | wagnerrp: | the big consumers on the backend are guide data handling, scheduling, and commercial detection |
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| [04:40:39] | Elv13: | wagnerrp and encoding |
| [04:40:45] | wagnerrp: | and if your scheduler is bumping up over 20–30 seconds, youre going to start running into problems |
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| [04:40:54] | wagnerrp: | encoding? you have framegrabbers for analog? |
| [04:41:27] | Elv13: | if frame grabber is the ability to pause and go back, hten yes |
| [04:41:52] | wagnerrp: | no, framegrabber is the ability to pull raw frames captured from the tuner card into memory |
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| [04:42:02] | wagnerrp: | and the requirement to subsequently encode that on the CPU |
| [04:42:16] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to MPEG encoders which do that on the card, and pass out a nice MPEG stream |
| [04:42:27] | wagnerrp: | MPEG encoders and digital tuners require next to no power to record |
| [04:42:33] | wagnerrp: | framegrabbers require a lot of power to record |
| [04:42:39] | Elv13: | no, I just encode the recordings when the backend is idle |
| [04:42:44] | Beirdo: | dangit |
| [04:42:53] | Beirdo: | now I wanna collect LPs again |
| [04:42:58] | Beirdo: | you are all evil :) |
| [04:43:00] | wagnerrp: | no, you encode the recordings when they are captured |
| [04:43:06] | wagnerrp: | you cant record raw video straight to disk |
| [04:43:30] | Elv13: | the nuv are 2gb per hours, look like raw to me |
| [04:43:36] | wagnerrp: | its either MPEG2 by the tuner card, or RTJPEG or MPEG4 by the CPU |
| [04:43:45] | wagnerrp: | if youre getting NUVs, youre using a framegrabber |
| [04:43:58] | kormoc: | Elv13, Raw would be around 40 gigs per hour |
| [04:44:00] | wagnerrp: | and if 2GB/hr looks decent to you, youre using MPEG4 |
| [04:44:03] | Elv13: | 16 |
| [04:44:04] | [R]: | Beirdo: as in vinyl? |
| [04:44:06] | RomioTango: | anyone know of any linux drivers other than the factory drivers for an ATI Radeon 4250? |
| [04:44:34] | Beirdo: | unless your LPs are made from soemthing else, yes, vinyl :) |
| [04:44:39] | Elv13: | I dont think it's mpeg4, because I reencode them to that lossless and they shrick to 500mb |
| [04:44:45] | Elv13: | (2pass) |
| [04:44:46] | [R]: | Beirdo: do they still make records? |
| [04:44:51] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, hey now, we only have mythtv/developer as our netmask. We can't possibly know anything about the tech. Elv13 is the master of all things myth |
| [04:44:55] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: higher, around 52GB/hr |
| [04:45:08] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, meh, napkin calc. I wasn't too far off |
| [04:45:15] | Beirdo: | I don't care, there are plenty of vintage used shops here in Seattle |
| [04:45:19] | wagnerrp: | 15MB/s |
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| [04:45:47] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, and that's without audio? |
| [04:45:47] | Elv13: | ? my CPU can encode mpeg4 fast enough to do live, how could it be mpeg4 |
| [04:45:59] | wagnerrp: | yeah... forgot about audio |
| [04:46:13] | wagnerrp: | thats another 1.6MB/s or so |
| [04:46:25] | Elv13: | cant* |
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| [04:46:33] | wagnerrp: | no, mbps, 200KB/s |
| [04:48:31] | kormoc: | Elv13, my 1.8 ghz p4 encoded mpeg4 SD well beyond 29.97 FPS, I'd hope your 3.x ghz one could |
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| [04:49:19] | wagnerrp: | Elv13: are you thinking of MPEG4 AVC (h264) as opposed to MPEG4 ASP (divx/xvid)? |
| [04:49:24] | wagnerrp: | mythtv encodes to the latter |
| [04:49:32] | wagnerrp: | which isnt all that difficult to do |
| [04:49:54] | wagnerrp: | while AVC has much better compression, and much greater CPU requirements |
| [04:50:00] | Elv13: | possible, yea, I was talking about x264 |
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| [04:52:20] | RomioTango: | if I installed the ati driver and want to operate the card with the default linux driver all I have to do is rename/remove the xorg file correct? |
| [04:52:29] | RomioTango: | given I'm running X11 |
| [04:52:39] | wagnerrp: | RomioTango: rename what file? |
| [04:52:45] | RomioTango: | xorg.conf |
| [04:52:46] | xtort-: | noooooo |
| [04:52:56] | wagnerrp: | you have to edit that file, not rename it |
| [04:53:03] | wagnerrp: | renaming it just means the system will be unable to find it |
| [04:53:18] | xtort-: | Search for the line that starts with Driver |
| [04:54:45] | RomioTango: | and set it to fglrx |
| [04:56:04] | RomioTango: | its already set to fglrx |
| [04:59:07] | RomioTango: | wagnerrp, deleting the xorg file did work to make X11 default to the "factory" linux driver |
| [04:59:26] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to use the radeon driver |
| [04:59:38] | wagnerrp: | you want to use fglrx |
| [04:59:58] | RomioTango: | which is what the ati driver set it to use :-\ |
| [05:00:27] | wagnerrp: | the OSS radeon driver lacks the hardware acceleration mythtv needs to properly function |
| [05:00:33] | wagnerrp: | all it gets you is a 2D desktop |
| [05:00:39] | wagnerrp: | mythtv needs either Xv or OpenGL |
| [05:01:05] | RomioTango: | I installed the ati driver and it set my xorg to use fglrx |
| [05:01:26] | RomioTango: | I'm wondering if there isn't a 3rd party driver somewhere though |
| [05:02:36] | RomioTango: | mythtv also always asks which cd/dvd rom drive i want to use |
| [05:02:45] | RomioTango: | is there a way to avoid this/ |
| [05:06:51] | RomioTango: | what would cause my recordings to play back with two with what appears to be two video feeds |
| [05:06:56] | RomioTango: | they sit on top of one another |
| [05:07:18] | wagnerrp: | buggy ATI graphics drivers and the bob deinterlace filter |
| [05:07:21] | RomioTango: | its as if the screen is split across the middle (horizontally) |
| [05:07:23] | markk: | RomioTango: broken driver |
| [05:07:34] | RomioTango: | videos play back fine tho |
| [05:07:51] | wagnerrp: | progressive content does not use the deinterlace filters |
| [05:08:19] | RomioTango: | ahh.. fixed |
| [05:08:22] | RomioTango: | thank you sir |
| [05:08:36] | RomioTango: | playing back via progressive took care of it |
| [05:08:52] | wagnerrp: | well, not really |
| [05:09:00] | iamlindoro: | the solution is not to force to progressive |
| [05:09:07] | wagnerrp: | you need to go into your playback profile, and change the deinterlacer to something other than bob |
| [05:09:11] | iamlindoro: | because now you've disabled deinterlace |
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| [05:09:22] | iamlindoro: | other that bob2x, that is |
| [05:09:44] | iamlindoro: | Specifically, do Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback Settings, Page three, switch to "Slim" |
| [05:09:50] | iamlindoro: | You are likely currently on CPU+ |
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| [05:10:27] | RomioTango: | what is CPU++ |
| [05:10:36] | wagnerrp: | you want Slim |
| [05:10:43] | iamlindoro: | CPU++ is another profile you don't want |
| [05:11:02] | iamlindoro: | unfortunately the profiles are named in such a way that 90% of users feel the need to show how big their penises are |
| [05:11:20] | iamlindoro: | CPU++ doesn't mean it's better. In fact, in nearly every case, it's worse. |
| [05:11:47] | iamlindoro: | My kingdom for some sanely named profiles |
| [05:14:34] | iamlindoro: | s/penises/processors/ "whoops" |
| [05:15:53] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:16:49] | iamlindoro: | Maybe we shoudl name them like human weight |
| [05:16:52] | iamlindoro: | "Slim" |
| [05:16:57] | iamlindoro: | "Average" |
| [05:17:00] | iamlindoro: | "Fat" |
| [05:17:02] | iamlindoro: | "Obese" |
| [05:17:05] | iamlindoro: | "Morbidly Obese" |
| [05:17:13] | iamlindoro: | Then I'll bet you *everyone* would use Slim |
| [05:17:37] | [R]: | what about chubby chasers? |
| [05:18:16] | iamlindoro: | A risk I would be willing to take |
| [05:18:53] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:19:44] | RomioTango: | haha |
| [05:19:47] | RomioTango: | wow guys.. |
| [05:20:26] | RomioTango: | I switched it to the High Quality and its working fine now |
| [05:20:41] | iamlindoro: | fdasjlhasdgja |
| [05:20:48] | RomioTango: | what generation of nvidia card should I be looking at? |
| [05:20:59] | iamlindoro: | I mean what do wagnerrp and I know, we're only Myth devs with years of experience |
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| [05:21:28] | RomioTango: | iamlindoro, I was simply stating what all worked |
| [05:21:39] | wagnerrp: | RomioTango: depends on what capability youre looking for |
| [05:21:50] | [R]: | oh man... i love the white trash on dog the bounty hunter |
| [05:21:52] | wagnerrp: | if you want analog outputs, 8 or 9 series |
| [05:22:16] | wagnerrp: | if you want VDPAU, GT2xx or better is preferred, but any 8 or better series will do |
| [05:22:21] | iamlindoro: | RomioTango, "Slim" is what you want. Happy that problem "a" is solved for you with High, until problems "b" and "c" turn up because you decided not to listen |
| [05:22:21] | RomioTango: | wagnerrp, I'd be looking for hdmi carrying dv and audio |
| [05:22:24] | iamlindoro: | RomioTango, it's frustrating |
| [05:22:29] | wagnerrp: | if you want HDMI audio, GT2xx or better |
| [05:22:46] | wagnerrp: | if you want HD audio, GT430, or maybe GT420 |
| [05:23:28] | RomioTango: | iamlindoro, I know.. i was just experimenting to see what would do what |
| [05:23:38] | RomioTango: | alright thanks wagnerrp I'm going to weigh the options |
| [05:24:07] | RomioTango: | see what sort of deals newegg has going on |
| [05:25:26] | Shadow__X: | [R]: are there other types of people on the show? I personally have not seen it |
| [05:25:36] | [R]: | Shadow__X: haha |
| [05:25:49] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: no, thats all there is |
| [05:26:05] | wagnerrp: | well.. maybe theres multi-racial trash |
| [05:26:07] | [R]: | the best part of that show... is dog's daughter was ugly when she first was on it |
| [05:26:11] | [R]: | but they hotted her up |
| [05:26:13] | Shadow__X: | thats what i thought considering the main person |
| [05:26:17] | wagnerrp: | dont want to discriminate after all |
| [05:26:18] | RomioTango: | how much mem should i be looking at for the GT4** serire? |
| [05:26:21] | RomioTango: | series* |
| [05:26:30] | wagnerrp: | RomioTango: 512MB or better |
| [05:27:07] | RomioTango: | wagnerrp, what do you think of this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121390R |
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| [05:27:37] | wagnerrp: | overkill |
| [05:27:45] | RomioTango: | or.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127490R |
| [05:28:03] | kormoc: | Solarion, what's the official way to handle mismatched channels with SD for a HDHR? |
| [05:28:13] | [R]: | RomioTango: ati sucks |
| [05:28:39] | RomioTango: | I'm realizing this :-\ |
| [05:29:14] | RomioTango: | my roommate talked me into buying this mobo w/ integrated ATI 4250 |
| [05:29:26] | wagnerrp: | does this roommate use linux? |
| [05:29:38] | RomioTango: | yeah he's a comp sci major |
| [05:29:40] | RomioTango: | well graduated now |
| [05:29:46] | RomioTango: | works for NG |
| [05:29:55] | wagnerrp: | ng? |
| [05:30:10] | RomioTango: | Northrup Grumman |
| [05:30:17] | RomioTango: | (sp?) |
| [05:30:28] | wagnerrp: | does he use linux? |
| [05:30:57] | RomioTango: | yes |
| [05:31:21] | RomioTango: | but I don't think he uses his 4250 for the same thing I'm using it for |
| [05:31:24] | wagnerrp: | does he actually do anything graphical on linux? |
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| [05:31:49] | RomioTango: | thats exactly it.. i mean it does play back 1080p |
| [05:32:05] | RomioTango: | you just notice when things don't look right a lot more on a 52" vs a 17" |
| [05:32:43] | Shadow__X: | RomioTango: it plays back 1080p because your cpu is doing the work |
| [05:33:04] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: no, mythtv will not let the CPU do the work |
| [05:33:22] | RomioTango: | Shadow__X, it actually did better when it was my CPU doing the work lol |
| [05:33:22] | wagnerrp: | f the video output does not support hardware accelerated scaling of some sort, mythtv simply wont scale the video |
| [05:34:15] | Shadow__X: | whooops i appologize for the incorrect information |
| [05:34:57] | RomioTango: | could i try adjusting any of the 3D settings within the ATI control panel? |
| [05:35:09] | wagnerrp: | to what end? |
| [05:35:44] | RomioTango: | would that have any impact on playback quality? |
| [05:35:51] | wagnerrp: | nope |
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| [05:39:07] | kormoc: | Anyone know a setting to configure how long it takes to lock for a ATSC scan? |
| [05:39:26] | wagnerrp: | should be something in mythtv-setup |
| [05:39:41] | kormoc: | snaz, thanks |
| [05:39:55] | [R]: | why would it take long? |
| [05:39:57] | kormoc: | I bounced around but didn't see anything, shall give it another pass |
| [05:39:57] | wagnerrp: | i know there are tuning timeouts in there |
| [05:39:58] | [R]: | crappy signal? |
| [05:40:03] | RomioTango: | wagnerrp, your thoughts please sir.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121397 |
| [05:40:06] | kormoc: | [R], yes, |
| [05:40:08] | wagnerrp: | i assume that would be in effect for scans |
| [05:40:17] | wagnerrp: | in the input connections i believe |
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| [05:41:00] | wagnerrp: | RomioTango: going to be a bit noisy, do you need low profile? |
| [05:42:05] | Shadow__X: | but wagnerrp it has increased particle resistance |
| [05:42:20] | RomioTango: | wagnerrp, no i have a mid-atx |
| [05:42:32] | wagnerrp: | i would go for the fanless zotac then |
| [05:43:05] | RomioTango: | alright thanks |
| [05:43:37] | wagnerrp: | anyway, that card is only needed if you intend to bitstream HD audio |
| [05:43:45] | wagnerrp: | the stuff that comes from bluray |
| [05:43:59] | wagnerrp: | and i dont believe mythtv even supports doing it yet |
| [05:44:41] | RomioTango: | I'd like to "future" proof it as much as possible |
| [05:44:53] | RomioTango: | thought I may wait a bit to make the purchase |
| [05:45:03] | RomioTango: | bit being till tax return comes in |
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| [05:46:26] | wagnerrp: | wow, the GT210 is pretty cheap these days |
| [05:46:39] | wagnerrp: | guess theres no reason to recommend an 8400 as the 'cheap option' now |
| [05:46:42] | RomioTango: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500175 |
| [05:47:00] | wagnerrp: | thats the one i was looking at |
| [05:47:25] | RomioTango: | what do you think of the 220 for ~$75? |
| [05:47:39] | RomioTango: | I mean for $10 more might as well go w/ the 430 though right? |
| [05:47:44] | wagnerrp: | 430 is an all around better card |
| [05:47:49] | wagnerrp: | and dont forget about the MIR |
| [05:48:22] | RomioTango: | MIR? |
| [05:48:28] | wagnerrp: | mail in rebat |
| [05:48:56] | RomioTango: | yeah I know.. sweetens the deal a bit ;) |
| [05:50:03] | RomioTango: | I only paid $109 for my mobo w/ the integrated radeon 4250.. guess I shouldn't feel tooo horrible about moth-balling that GPU |
| [05:51:16] | RomioTango: | can mythtv play bluray discs now? |
| [05:51:21] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [05:51:40] | RomioTango: | think it will w/ my graphics? |
| [05:51:59] | wagnerrp: | if you have opengl or xv working, and your processor is up to snuff |
| [05:52:14] | RomioTango: | X2 3.0ghz |
| [05:52:20] | wagnerrp: | should do it |
| [05:52:31] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, found it. It's under 'Recording Options' on the tuner card settings page |
| [05:52:38] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: linux supports playing the discs natively now? |
| [05:52:47] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: mythtv does |
| [05:54:27] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: yeah, for some reason i thought it was under input connections under the tuner input |
| [05:54:44] | Shadow__X: | oh ok cool |
| [05:54:57] | RomioTango: | I believe my mythbox just froze :( |
| [05:55:10] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: it does not support menus, but there is a list of titles from the context menu |
| [05:55:18] | kormoc: | RomioTango, quick! stick it in the microwave and set it for defrost! |
| [05:55:24] | RomioTango: | haha |
| [05:55:35] | wagnerrp: | it does not support bd+, but it does support aacs if the necessary 3rd party libraries are installed, and keyfile configured |
| [05:55:55] | RomioTango: | i guess you shouldn't adjust appearances :-\ |
| [05:56:03] | RomioTango: | I set it to opengl and... :-\ |
| [05:56:18] | wagnerrp: | RomioTango: sounds more like your video drivers are broke |
| [05:56:22] | kormoc: | with an ati card? are you mad? |
| [05:56:26] | Shadow__X: | neat. Will mythtdvd support it :) |
| [05:56:42] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: mythdvd? |
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| [05:57:21] | Shadow__X: | i probably have the name wrong. There was a plugin that allowed ripping dvd's to the hard drive |
| [05:57:32] | wagnerrp: | no such thing |
| [05:58:45] | Shadow__X: | ah the feature was removed for .24 |
| [05:59:01] | Shadow__X: | will it be added back at a later time? |
| [05:59:22] | wagnerrp: | maybe, if someone writes it up and does it properly |
| [06:00:07] | wagnerrp: | for now, that means ISO and VIDEO_TS support to storage groups, the ability to background during the rip, and a popup when ripping is complete if backgrounded |
| [06:00:41] | RomioTango: | yay for being able to ssh into my FE from a laptop w/ nvidia lol |
| [06:00:57] | wagnerrp: | not sure what that would get you |
| [06:01:26] | RomioTango: | so how do we go about playing 1080p bluray on this bad boy? |
| [06:01:52] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Bluray#Watching_With_t . . . commended.29 |
| [06:02:47] | RomioTango: | thanks wagnerrp |
| [06:05:28] | Shadow__X: | i was updating my tables from scte65scan and when i tried i got this error ERROR 1242 (21000) at line 131: Subquery returns more than 1 row |
| [06:05:35] | Shadow__X: | what did i do wrong |
| [06:05:41] | RomioTango: | well wagnerrp thanks yet again for all the help... as well as everyone else in here |
| [06:05:53] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, need to see the query |
| [06:05:56] | RomioTango: | I'm going to bed.. 1:05a and I have to be up at 6a :( |
| [06:08:02] | Shadow__X: | is mythtv.pastebin.ca going slow for others as well? |
| [06:08:20] | kormoc: | %s/mythtv.// |
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| [06:09:07] | Shadow__X: | http://pastebin.com/MeJe58Nc |
| [06:10:37] | kormoc: | your subquery likely needs a sourceid= ? |
| [06:11:22] | Shadow__X: | at the end it says "AND sourceid=1;" |
| [06:11:38] | Shadow__X: | or am i just missing what your saying |
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| [06:12:10] | kormoc: | UPDATE channel SET callsign='WNBC-HD',serviceid=3,mplexid=(SELECT mplexid FROM dtv_multiplex WHERE frequency=241762000 AND sourceid=1) WHERE channum='4.1' AND sourceid=1; |
| [06:13:26] | Shadow__X: | oh ok |
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| [06:38:54] | Shadow__X: | thanks kormoc |
| [06:39:53] | Shadow__X: | it would appear that i needed to use set it to install instead of update |
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| [06:55:31] | Shadow__X: | now when installing i am getting the same error but the query is different. |
| [06:55:35] | Shadow__X: | INSERT INTO channel SET sourceid=1,chanid=111002,channum='11.2',callsign='Estrill',serviceid=4,mplexid=( SELECT mplexid FROM dtv_multiplex WHERE frequency=271763500); |
| [06:56:02] | Shadow__X: | there are lines before this that are not giving issues |
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| [06:59:25] | kormoc: | you have more then one mplexid for that frequency |
| [06:59:32] | kormoc: | I don't know if that's valid or not, but that's what you got |
| [07:01:51] | Shadow__X: | its probably due to the fact i used the install script without deleting the listings |
| [07:03:01] | Shadow__X: | i will just delete the listing source thats just easier |
| [07:03:12] | Shadow__X: | video source* |
| [07:03:37] | Shadow__X: | is there a way to empty it without deleting it from video sources? |
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| [07:11:59] | Beirdo: | ProcessH264Frame, etc? |
| [07:19:41] | Shadow__X: | how do i find the video source number |
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| [08:02:26] | toeb: | is there a way to to set a default recording group which should be used if i press "r" in the guide/livetv ? |
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| [08:37:46] | Shadow__X: | new mysql error woohoo |
| [08:37:48] | Shadow__X: | ERROR 1062 (23000) at line 4: Duplicate entry '1' for key 'PRIMARY' |
| [08:38:19] | Shadow__X: | this time starting from a fresh video source |
| [08:38:20] | Shadow__X: | INSERT INTO dtv_multiplex SET sistandard='atsc',mplexid=1,frequency=51000000,modulation='qam_256',sourceid=5; |
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| [09:30:46] | justinh1: | toeb: it's already set to the 'default' recording group :-P |
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| [09:31:49] | justinh1: | but no, I don't think you can change it for recordings instigated that way. If anybody had plans to change that, I doubt it'd get approval anyway since it'd be another setting the majority of us can live without |
| [09:32:43] | justinh1: | oh! but if it's a Thursday and I decide to record a show in live tv I'd like it to be in group X – but on a Friday, Saturday or Monday I want it to be in group Y |
| [09:32:47] | justinh1: | :-\ |
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| [09:54:36] | hashbang: | morning all |
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| [10:36:56] | waza-ari: | Hey all, my mythtv (0.24) has problems playing some video files with dts audio. I have passthrough hdmi enabled, both for dd and dts. On most videos it works (dd and dts) but on some dts videos the sound is stuttering. Playing the same video on the same machine with smplayer (also dts passthrough) works just fine. Thats what the frondendlog says: http://paste2.org/p/1188893 |
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| [10:38:06] | hashbang: | waza-ari: I had something similar when my MythTV/passthru setup used to work. I put it down to there being lots of motion in the video stream. |
| [10:38:20] | hashbang: | waza-ari: does that correlate for you too? |
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| [10:39:18] | waza-ari: | hashbang, hm, the sound even stutters at the very beginning, when intro is shown... nearly no motion. And other films works just fine, regardless of the motion... |
| [10:39:53] | waza-ari: | anyway, the cpu is not used that much at all.... video is decoded via graphics hardware, so... should this have an influence on the sound output? |
| [10:39:55] | hashbang: | oh, I dunno then. Sound's a mess. |
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| [10:40:26] | waza-ari: | hm, okay, thanks anyway :) |
| [10:40:34] | hashbang: | (not just MythTV, the whole stack, in case anyone feels I'm singling projects out) |
| [10:44:44] | waza-ari: | I noticed another problem, dunno whether is has to do something with the problem above: every time i restart mythtv, my speaker-configuration is set to "Stereo" again. If i put it back to "5.1" it works as intended, but after restart it is again on "stereo" |
| [10:46:02] | waza-ari: | Oh... okay, it is not set to stereo when restarting mythtv, but after watching tv it is set to stereo |
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| [10:48:36] | hashbang: | waza-ari: you have my sympathies |
| [10:49:18] | hashbang: | waza-ari: by 'watching tv', do you include 'watching recordings'? |
| [10:49:42] | waza-ari: | hm... dunno, didnt test this yet... give me a second |
| [10:51:02] | waza-ari: | No, watching recordings is not included... just after watching tv |
| [11:02:41] | hashbang: | weird |
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| [11:39:05] | justinh1: | glad I don't waste my time with HD yet :) |
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| [11:57:06] | waza-ari: | noone else? |
| [12:01:48] | justinh1: | not at this time of day. try searching the mailing lists |
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| [12:13:51] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [12:14:16] | mattwj2002: | well with handbrake encoding the videos work on both my ipod touch and my android phone |
| [12:14:17] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [12:15:34] | justinh1: | I think I've decided my router doesn't like linux devices |
| [12:15:55] | justinh1: | on my laptop & with my android phone I have to be literally right next to the router to get a 'good' signal |
| [12:16:17] | mattwj2002: | O_o |
| [12:16:18] | justinh1: | same laptop on windows, 5 bars all through the house |
| [12:16:56] | justinh1: | different router at work, my droid phone works throughout the whole building and even in the car park |
| [12:16:58] | mattwj2002: | bummer |
| [12:17:36] | justinh1: | so much for the protocol etc being OS agnostic eh |
| [12:18:26] | justinh1: | mattwj2002: btw do you use a gmail client on your phone? the official google one seems to suck |
| [12:18:48] | mattwj2002: | yeah I do |
| [12:18:52] | mattwj2002: | why do you ask? |
| [12:19:00] | justinh1: | the official one *works* but it's awful |
| [12:19:19] | justinh1: | like it'll say I have new mail & it'll take ages to load |
| [12:19:19] | mattwj2002: | yeah it does kind of suck but it works well enough |
| [12:19:45] | justinh1: | so I can be notified I've got 5 new emails but it'll take ages for the headers etc to appear |
| [12:20:15] | mattwj2002: | justinh1 by the way |
| [12:20:24] | mattwj2002: | did you know they have firefox for the android now? |
| [12:20:50] | justinh1: | heh |
| [12:20:59] | justinh1: | no I didn't. does it have a QUIT button? |
| [12:21:07] | justinh1: | you know, which actually closes the app down? |
| [12:21:36] | mattwj2002: | one second I'll check |
| [12:21:36] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [12:22:23] | justinh1: | that's the one thing that bugs me about all these smartphones & their apps. It's left up to the OS to kill things off when memory is tight. By that point the damn thing is pretty near chuck-at-the-wall-able |
| [12:22:53] | mattwj2002: | no quit option |
| [12:23:09] | justinh1: | pfft |
| [12:23:23] | justinh1: | a few apps I've got let me quit properly but not many |
| [12:23:44] | justinh1: | I mean once I've taken a photo I don't want the camera app sitting there in the background forever til I use it again |
| [12:24:05] | hashbang: | justinh1: Android will kill it if it needs the memory |
| [12:24:10] | justinh1: | all the devs say "meh, but it's not using battery or anything". No, but it's taking up RAM |
| [12:24:28] | justinh1: | yeah but the OS will be pretty nasty responsetime-wise by that point |
| [12:24:37] | hashbang: | justinh1: it's the equivalent of Linux having no 'free' memory, because it's all being used by buffercache |
| [12:25:00] | justinh1: | yes, but not letting users *choose* to quit an app is bad mojo IMHO |
| [12:25:12] | mattwj2002: | you can do a force close |
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| [12:25:18] | justinh1: | yeah from a task manager |
| [12:25:22] | justinh1: | which I do |
| [12:25:26] | justinh1: | but it's a PITA |
| [12:25:31] | mattwj2002: | yup |
| [12:25:38] | zoran119: | do i need to install mythtv themes on the backend? or just the frontend? |
| [12:25:47] | hashbang: | justinh1: TBH, task managers just make matters worse, as the prog will need to be reloaded from scratch if it responds to an event |
| [12:26:05] | justinh1: | it's not even as if having an app in memory makes it seem to load quicker. |
| [12:26:13] | hashbang: | justinh1: well-written apps generally behaves better |
| [12:26:27] | justinh1: | the camera apps I've tried all take a while to load whether they're already in ram or not |
| [12:26:50] | hashbang: | justinh1: I wonder if that's a hardware setup issue |
| [12:27:22] | justinh1: | I stopped using mythdroid btw. It crashed my backend a couple of times, and it's made me have to hard reset my phone a couple of times too |
| [12:27:41] | justinh1: | oops not backend. frontend |
| [12:28:13] | justinh1: | hashbang: maybe it is, but I'm not seeing a valid reason for virtually NO apps having a quit option :-\ |
| [12:28:33] | justinh1: | it's arrogance IMHO :) |
| [12:28:47] | justinh1: | not that iPhone users have it any better |
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| [12:29:03] | mattwj2002: | I am just so happy to finally have a box with myexport working |
| [12:29:03] | mattwj2002: | finally |
| [12:29:06] | hashbang: | justinh1: my understanding is that an exit button is pretty much just cosmetic in Android anyway. |
| [12:29:45] | justinh1: | nah I read the dev docs & they say you can actually quit if you want |
| [12:30:06] | justinh1: | & it'll be destructed etc when you're done with it |
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| [12:30:54] | justinh1: | it's annoying, especially with apps you only use once in a blue moon (cos they suck, generally) – like the gmail client :P |
| [12:31:39] | justinh1: | gonna try turning to POP for me gmail & use a regular email client |
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| [12:35:15] | toeb: | justinh1: so there is not setting to change this? |
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| [12:46:41] | jamiem: | hello :) |
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| [12:47:26] | jamiem: | is anyone using a Nuvoton based IR with their myth? |
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| [12:50:30] | justinh1: | toeb: I don't think there is |
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| [13:30:17] | Twiggy2cents: | Hey, can anybody tell me if the Human Target last night didnt air nationally or if it was just my local Fox? |
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| [15:30:37] | wagnerrp: | Twiggy2cents: yes, it was rescheduled |
| [15:30:57] | wagnerrp: | probably not nationally, probably only eastern and central |
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| [15:49:51] | stanman246: | hya, i can watch a movie on the backend mythbuntu. Now i've installed mythtv frontend on my laptop. It starts, but i cannot connect to the backend. It asks if its online, what should I try? |
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| [15:51:19] | wagnerrp: | can you pastebin frontend logs/ |
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| [15:57:15] | hashbang: | stanman246: check what you've got in the backend setup for the IP address of the backend. The default is 127.0.0.1, which you'll need to change if you want it to be able to listen on an address to which other hosts can connect. |
| [15:57:43] | wagnerrp: | thats what i hoped the frontend logs would indicate |
| [15:57:56] | wagnerrp: | and probably the database needs fixing as well |
| [15:58:30] | stanman246: | in my log i have a LIRC failed to connect to Unix socket |
| [15:58:44] | stanman246: | I can see it connects to the backend server on it's ip |
| [15:58:59] | wagnerrp: | can we see those logs? |
| [15:59:24] | hashbang: | stanman246: the LIRC bit is irrelevant here; UNIX sockets are purely local |
| [16:00:24] | stanman246: | right. think this is the one: MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 thought it was connecting to the server |
| [16:00:49] | wagnerrp: | still want to see the logs |
| [16:03:09] | wagnerrp: | basically, there are more problems than just the backend IP that new users often get wrong |
| [16:03:18] | stanman246: | http://pastebin.com/igWSt8d9 |
| [16:03:34] | stanman246: | like this? |
| [16:04:00] | wagnerrp: | yeah, often people dont realize that there is only one single database |
| [16:04:10] | wagnerrp: | so they connect to a locally hosted database on their frontend |
| [16:04:12] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: IIRC, that log means the database is fine, but the backend needs to be moved off 127.0.0.1 and onto e.g. 192.168.1.46 |
| [16:04:15] | wagnerrp: | which has nothing set up |
| [16:04:23] | wagnerrp: | the database does appear to be fine, but the version does not |
| [16:04:28] | stanman246: | it connects to the db |
| [16:04:30] | wagnerrp: | please upgrade to a stable version of mythtv |
| [16:04:33] | stanman246: | version? |
| [16:04:42] | stanman246: | the frontend or the backend? |
| [16:04:46] | wagnerrp: | your revision 24158 install is a buggy, pre-release of mythtv |
| [16:04:58] | stanman246: | that's the frontend right? |
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| [16:05:12] | hashbang: | stanman246: FE/BE versions need to match, too. |
| [16:05:15] | wagnerrp: | chances are your backend is running that to |
| [16:05:16] | stanman246: | i got it with: apt-get install mythtv |
| [16:05:34] | stanman246: | backend is a mythbuntu 10.10 |
| [16:05:47] | hashbang: | stanman246: no, not the OS versions, the mythtv versions. |
| [16:05:48] | wagnerrp: | the original 0.23 packages from 10.10 were from a pre-release version of 0.23 |
| [16:06:05] | wagnerrp: | you need to use the mythbuntu PPAs and pull a newer copy |
| [16:06:19] | stanman246: | on the frontend or the backend as well? |
| [16:06:27] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: to be fair, that pre0.23 will probably work, but stanman246 may encounter other problems |
| [16:06:36] | wagnerrp: | that depends on what you upgrade to |
| [16:06:44] | wagnerrp: | there is 0.23 and 0.23.1, and they are not compatible |
| [16:06:54] | wagnerrp: | if you upgrade to a post-release 0.23 build, youre fine |
| [16:06:56] | hashbang: | stanman246: and lots of the devs will only talk in relation to the current latest stable -fixes |
| [16:07:15] | wagnerrp: | if you upgrade to 0.23.1, you will have to upgrade both frontend and backend, as they speak a different version of the backend protocol |
| [16:07:29] | hashbang: | (as I found out in my tussle with Jean-Yves on the list :-) |
| [16:07:49] | stanman246: | err... am i in the dev channel here? |
| [16:07:53] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [16:07:55] | stanman246: | ah |
| [16:07:56] | stanman246: | ok |
| [16:08:14] | stanman246: | i'll add the mythbuntu ppa first to my frontend |
| [16:08:25] | wagnerrp: | hashbang: more that devs wont talk about fixing things in anything but the current -fixes branch |
| [16:08:27] | hashbang: | stanman246: neither was I on the mythtv-dev list. :-) |
| [16:08:56] | stanman246: | ah |
| [16:08:58] | stanman246: | i see |
| [16:10:04] | wagnerrp: | if its a serious issue, it might make it back two versions |
| [16:10:14] | wagnerrp: | but generally, older -fixes branches are just left to rot |
| [16:10:29] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: this was just a "how is this supposed to work" config issue |
| [16:10:49] | wagnerrp: | hashbang: doesnt matter, no one should be running that original 10.10 build of mythtv |
| [16:11:09] | stanman246: | should i update to 0.24? |
| [16:11:14] | wagnerrp: | it wasnt released yet, because there were some significant issues that still needed updating at that point |
| [16:11:21] | stanman246: | it's int the repro |
| [16:11:22] | wagnerrp: | stanman246: not necessary unless you want to |
| [16:11:25] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, I think you mean 10.04 |
| [16:11:32] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, 10.10 shipped with 0.23.1 |
| [16:11:36] | wagnerrp: | erm, yeah... 10.04 |
| [16:11:43] | stanman246: | well... just want to get it working ;) |
| [16:11:47] | wagnerrp: | but hes using that old 24158 build from 10.04 |
| [16:12:04] | stanman246: | my local os is 10.04 lts |
| [16:12:18] | stanman246: | how do i check the backend |
| [16:12:21] | stanman246: | version? |
| [16:12:25] | wagnerrp: | 'mythbackend --version' |
| [16:12:29] | stanman246: | hmm... |
| [16:13:46] | wagnerrp: | yeah, anything running 10.10 should be fine |
| [16:13:46] | stanman246: | http://pastebin.com/HsFHcBiN |
| [16:13:57] | stanman246: | 0.23.1? |
| [16:14:08] | wagnerrp: | but if your backend is running 10.10 with 0.23.1, your frontend will be unable to connect to it |
| [16:14:24] | wagnerrp: | and it seems you are running 0.23.1 |
| [16:14:41] | wagnerrp: | which means you have no choice but to upgrade your frontend |
| [16:16:28] | stanman246: | i see. frontend is 0.23.20100314–1 |
| [16:16:48] | stanman246: | while backend is: 0.23.1.20100710–1 |
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| [16:17:08] | stanman246: | so i need the frontend to go to 0.23.1 and not 0.24 |
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| [16:18:22] | waza-ari: | Hey all, if have still problems playing some videos with dts audio, with some of them the sound is hardly stuttering... Playing the same video with another player like smplayer works perfektly well. Here is the frondendlog: http://paste2.org/p/1188893 any idea? |
| [16:18:24] | hashbang: | stanman246: or both to go to 0.24 |
| [16:19:15] | stanman246: | maybe get it working 1st. added the ppa and did update/upgrade... is doing it now |
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| [16:19:52] | stanman246: | in the meanwhile: can i follow symlinks in /var/lib/mythtv/videos? |
| [16:20:08] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [16:20:26] | stanman246: | it's now 0.23.1. I'll fire it up tailing the log... |
| [16:21:56] | wagnerrp: | waza-ari: is that actually DTS? or is it a bluray with DTS-HD? |
| [16:21:57] | stanman246: | hmm.. no luck |
| [16:22:25] | waza-ari: | wagnerrp: no, its normal dts sound. |
| [16:22:42] | wagnerrp: | stanman246: did you go into mythtv-setup and tell the backend to listen on your routeable address? or are you still trying to connect to 127.0.0.1? |
| [16:23:23] | waza-ari: | wagnerrp: i can post the mkvinfo result, if it helps |
| [16:23:25] | stanman246: | still localhost for connecting to backend server... where should i set this? Frontend or backend? |
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| [16:23:44] | stanman246: | backend... |
| [16:23:46] | wagnerrp: | stanman246: you must run mythtv-setup on the backend |
| [16:23:47] | stanman246: | sry |
| [16:24:13] | stanman246: | ssh.... cannot open display... |
| [16:24:52] | wagnerrp: | waza-ari: you know, if this is a DVD rip, that DTS track is probably just as high bitrate as your recompressed video track |
| [16:25:56] | wagnerrp: | if you were concerned about space, you should have stuck with AC3 |
| [16:26:37] | waza-ari: | wagnerrp: afaik the dts track is about 1.5Mbps i think. But why is this a reason, mythtv cannot play it? On the same maschine with another player (smplayer) it works perfectly |
| [16:26:48] | stanman246: | i edited config.xml and changed localhost to the box' ip. how do i restart the backend from a commandline? |
| [16:26:54] | wagnerrp: | DTS should play just fine |
| [16:27:09] | waza-ari: | Most of them do, but some videos dont... |
| [16:27:10] | wagnerrp: | stanman246: no... you must run mythtv-setup |
| [16:27:32] | wagnerrp: | you are changing the location of the backend in the database |
| [16:27:38] | wagnerrp: | not the location of the database itself |
| [16:29:14] | waza-ari: | so... no idea why smplayer plays these videos (also with dts passthroug to amp) and mythvideo doesnt? |
| [16:29:51] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt appear you have mythtv set up to do passthrough to your amp |
| [16:29:58] | wagnerrp: | it looks like its trying to decode and send PCM |
| [16:30:16] | waza-ari: | yes, i have. It does not send pcm, the receiver shows up the dts light! |
| [16:30:52] | wagnerrp: | but mythtv hasnt sent any data to it |
| [16:31:02] | wagnerrp: | it errors out a fraction of a second after starting playback |
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| [16:31:49] | waza-ari: | hm... i have selected dts and dd in the settings page... i'll try again and give you the logfile... |
| [16:32:27] | waza-ari: | Thats btw another problem: sometimes after watching tv, the speaker configuration is set to Stereo, and then mythtv is sending a pcm signal... |
| [16:32:37] | wagnerrp: | honestly, im just making guesses |
| [16:32:43] | wagnerrp: | i dont know much about the audio system |
| [16:33:30] | hashbang: | stanman246: IIRC, it's mythfrontend->setup->general |
| [16:33:42] | hashbang: | oops, sorry |
| [16:33:43] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [16:33:47] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup |
| [16:34:11] | wagnerrp: | he must change those two IPs listed in the first page in the first section of mythtv-setup |
| [16:35:40] | hashbang: | waza-ari: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digital_Sound plus the recent 'Simultaneous analogue (analog) and S/PDIF output' thread might help |
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| [16:38:39] | waza-ari: | hashbang: thanks, in general the digital output works, but i'll look at this thread. |
| [16:40:40] | hashbang: | waza-ari: it's basically me trying to figure out how this ALSA and myth's sound /really/ works, and being ritually humiliated by J-Y. :-) |
| [16:42:47] | waza-ari: | in the meantime, here is the log from the recent played video with stuttering dts sound, and the mkvinfo of this video: http://paste2.org/p/1190309 |
| [16:44:27] | wagnerrp: | why not just store the original tracks? |
| [16:44:45] | wagnerrp: | its costing you more in electricty to recompress that HD video than to just store it at the original size |
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| [16:47:11] | wagnerrp: | and youre using vdpau, so its not like you would have any problem decoding the original content in real time |
| [16:47:28] | waza-ari: | I did not recompress them, just got them as they are... but i cannot imagine, why the sound stutters using mythtv and not using another player? |
| [16:47:39] | waza-ari: | wagnerrp: the video works flawlessly, its just the sound... |
| [16:48:29] | wagnerrp: | you had to recompress them, nothing is distributed at that resolution |
| [16:49:16] | wagnerrp: | bluray and HDDVD are both 1920x1080, often letterboxed down to 2.2–2.4:1 |
| [16:49:30] | wagnerrp: | and theyre much higher bitrate than that |
| [16:49:52] | wagnerrp: | and DVB broadcasts dont use DTS |
| [16:54:51] | iamlindoro: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Kyi0WNg40 |
| [16:55:04] | iamlindoro: | That's the sound and look I imagine at this point in the conversation |
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| [16:57:39] | wagnerrp: | somewhat related, apparently british police raided some gradeschool teacher's garage searching for marijuana after finding grow lamps on an infrared scan |
| [16:57:52] | wagnerrp: | they found a pair of guinea pigs under a heat lamp |
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| [17:04:32] | waza-ari: | hm, i found this thread now, which could be the issue, at least its 1.5mbps dts... (http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2011 . . . 06762.html). But they dont come up with a solution, do they? I have the most recent version of mythtv from 24-fixes repo |
| [17:08:48] | FabriceMG: | hello all |
| [17:09:18] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, i found 1 bug in 0.24 fixe |
| [17:09:42] | FabriceMG: | i have 1 master + 1 slave backend |
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| [17:10:56] | FabriceMG: | option : Run jobs only on original recording backend |
| [17:11:15] | FabriceMG: | this option don't work |
| [17:11:44] | kormoc: | file a ticket? |
| [17:11:47] | FabriceMG: | he run the job on the master backend |
| [17:12:28] | FabriceMG: | kormoc, I go to open 1 ticket |
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| [17:12:36] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Duh, he just did, cat whine.txt > wagnerrp@#mythtv-users |
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| [17:14:31] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, ahh, is that the official ticketing policy now? We should update the docs then |
| [17:14:48] | skd5aner: | so... I need to get a blu-ray drive, any ones in particular you guys recommend? |
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| [17:15:38] | wagnerrp: | looking through the code, it seems like it should work |
| [17:15:40] | skd5aner: | (or ones I should steer clear of?) |
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| [17:16:21] | FabriceMG: | kormoc, do you agree? if a ckeck is option all jobs (job#1, job#2...., commercial, and transcode) is launch on original recording backend |
| [17:16:53] | wagnerrp: | FabriceMG: this is because you have independent storage on your two backends not mounted over nfs? |
| [17:17:47] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: only when filed with wagnerrp |
| [17:18:10] | FabriceMG: | no, i have same path on all backend , same script at same postion |
| [17:18:49] | wagnerrp: | FabriceMG: im saying videos recorded on the slave are not physically accessible from the master |
| [17:19:28] | sphery: | isn't the plan to throw away all existing mythmusic visualizations and, instead, do them properly? |
| [17:19:31] | FabriceMG: | no, but it's no the problem |
| [17:19:37] | sphery: | if so, maybe someone should tell Lawrence R |
| [17:19:39] | FabriceMG: | no, but it's not the problem |
| [17:19:55] | wagnerrp: | i can test it, give me a second |
| [17:20:08] | FabriceMG: | oki |
| [17:20:12] | wagnerrp: | actually... how did you queue the jobs? |
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| [17:21:58] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, ?????? explain |
| [17:22:11] | wagnerrp: | what program did you use to add the job to the queue? |
| [17:22:17] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend? mythweb? something else? |
| [17:22:24] | FabriceMG: | mythweb |
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| [17:23:37] | FabriceMG: | in log of mythweb , the record is on slave , but in log the job is launch in master |
| [17:25:38] | skd5aner: | Single tuner HDHR, $49.99 today – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 01-_-Product |
| [17:25:50] | skd5aner: | 1/2 off |
| [17:27:33] | ** wagnerrp eyes kormoc ** | |
| [17:28:15] | kormoc: | skd5aner, same price on amazon.com with free shipping |
| [17:29:13] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: do you want me to patch this? or do you want to handle it |
| [17:29:48] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, go for it |
| [17:30:43] | skd5aner: | kormoc: :) Just was looking at newegg's shellshockers for today and thought I'd share – I usually order 75% of my stuff from amazon anymore :) |
| [17:31:00] | sphery: | 2TB WD Green, $69.99 after $20 MIR, today |
| [17:31:28] | skd5aner: | (free shipping at newegg too I believe) |
| [17:31:30] | skd5aner: | on that item |
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| [17:31:56] | sphery: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136514 use promo code EMCKJJG27 |
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| [17:34:17] | wagnerrp: | EADS or EARS? |
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| [17:35:17] | Rabbit^^: | What in the best between Mythbuntu and LinHES? |
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| [17:35:48] | kormoc: | Rabbit^^, whatever you think is best is best |
| [17:35:51] | wagnerrp: | are you experienced with linux? |
| [17:36:16] | tgm4883: | Mythbuntu! |
| [17:36:22] | tgm4883: | sorry, couldn't resist :) |
| [17:36:27] | Rabbit^^: | No, I am interested in learning it, though. I grew up Windows. |
| [17:36:30] | tgm4883: | I might be a little bias |
| [17:36:41] | wagnerrp: | if you have no experience with linux, mythbuntu is a good choice |
| [17:37:25] | wagnerrp: | thats not to say mythbuntu is a bad choice if you do have linux experience |
| [17:37:37] | wagnerrp: | it would just be better to use something based off whatever distro youre most comfortable with |
| [17:38:23] | Rabbit^^: | I have tried Knoppix on live CD, but it was slow at loading, maybe mainly because it was vias CD. |
| [17:38:58] | wagnerrp: | do they still maintain knoppix? |
| [17:39:41] | Rabbit^^: | I am not sure. Also, what has replaced Xandros (something with GUI similar to Windows)? |
| [17:39:45] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, I dont' think so for mythtv anyway, moved to linhes |
| [17:40:00] | wagnerrp: | i know knoppmyth no longer exists |
| [17:40:08] | wagnerrp: | but im talking about the knoppix distro in general |
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| [17:40:29] | ** tgm4883 shrugs ** | |
| [17:40:48] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: does php database access automatically quote strings when doing substitution? |
| [17:41:00] | kormoc: | with ? then yes |
| [17:41:08] | wagnerrp: | fantastic |
| [17:41:09] | Rabbit^^: | The other distribution I tried via live CD was MEPIS, which was A LOT slower than Knoppix. |
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| [17:41:25] | tgm4883: | Rabbit^^, note that anything you try on a live cd will be slower |
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| [17:41:35] | tgm4883: | simply because it is reading from the CD |
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| [17:41:58] | tgm4883: | you would get better performance on a live USB, or from installing it directly to the hard disk |
| [17:42:18] | Rabbit^^: | What about using a Linux distribution in VirtualBox? |
| [17:42:48] | tgm4883: | that would have the same performance penalty as any other guest OS |
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| [17:43:37] | Rabbit^^: | Would performance be similar to installing on a HDD? |
| [17:43:41] | tgm4883: | Rabbit^^, what usually causes the slowness you speak of is that it has to read off of an optical disk, which isn't very fast |
| [17:43:54] | wagnerrp: | you do not want to run mythtv in virtualbox |
| [17:44:11] | Rabbit^^: | That makes sense to me. |
| [17:44:15] | tgm4883: | Rabbit^^, similar yes, providing you have enough RAM/CPU to run a guest and host |
| [17:44:19] | tgm4883: | but yea, don't run mythtv in one |
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| [17:45:08] | Rabbit^^: | Is VirtualBox similar to Apple's Paralells? |
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| [17:45:47] | wagnerrp: | virtualbox is a virtual machine, and is similar to every other virtual machine |
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| [17:46:22] | JEDIDIAH__: | I was messing around with MCE+mymovies and had to use a VM in order for it to have enough memory to run. |
| [17:46:22] | wagnerrp: | in that is is slow, requires lots of memory, and severely restricts you to the kind of hardware you can access through it |
| [17:46:24] | Rabbit^^: | Is Paralells a virtual machine as well? |
| [17:46:49] | wagnerrp: | and if you dont have hardware acceleration in your processor, and support by the VM software, its really slow |
| [17:46:50] | JEDIDIAH__: | a vm will prevent you from using the full potential of the hardware. |
| [17:46:57] | waza-ari: | Is mythtv able to play radio via sattelite? |
| [17:47:24] | Rabbit^^: | My processor is a Pentium D 920. |
| [17:47:25] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...I would imagine such a thing would require particular USB or PCI hardware. |
| [17:47:34] | tgm4883: | !LMGTFY http://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/ |
| [17:47:38] | tgm4883: | or somthing like that |
| [17:47:56] | wagnerrp: | a VM allows you to condense under-utilized servers running multiple different kernels only a single machine |
| [17:48:03] | JEDIDIAH__: | A VM running on a fast box can easily outrun lesser bare metal. |
| [17:48:04] | wagnerrp: | its rare an end user is running multiple servers |
| [17:48:16] | wagnerrp: | rarer still an end user is running multiple kernels on those multiple servers |
| [17:48:41] | tgm4883: | end users use VM's for testing. If you are using it for more than that you aren't an end user |
| [17:48:45] | wagnerrp: | meaning the only reason for an end user to run a virtual machine is for either testing/development |
| [17:48:52] | tgm4883: | yes |
| [17:48:54] | JEDIDIAH__: | nice circular logic. |
| [17:49:08] | JEDIDIAH__: | some people use VMs for emulation. That's the main reason such things exist for Macs. |
| [17:49:28] | wagnerrp: | emulation of what? windows apps? |
| [17:49:42] | wagnerrp: | WTF are you doing buying a Mac so you can emulate a windows machine to run windows apps |
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| [17:51:09] | JEDIDIAH__: | I would not fault anyone for trying to limit their Windows exposure as much as possible. Although I would not classify Macs as good machines for running VMs since they are usually underequipped. |
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| [17:51:41] | tgm4883: | IIRC, emulation only refers to emulating other hardware |
| [17:51:54] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: they ARE emulating other hardware |
| [17:52:02] | Rabbit^^: | I do not own a Mac, just Windows-based PCs. |
| [17:52:02] | wagnerrp: | thats the whole point of a virtual machine |
| [17:52:13] | wagnerrp: | a fully emulated, isolated system |
| [17:52:33] | JEDIDIAH__: | I was just addressing the "vms are only for testing" rationale. |
| [17:52:45] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, I disagree, you aren't emulating a SPARC or ARM processor on an x86 platform |
| [17:52:56] | Rabbit^^: | Ok,, JEDIDIAH. Thank you for the clarification. |
| [17:53:09] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: no, youre emulating an x86 one |
| [17:53:22] | waza-ari: | Hey, my mythtv detects radio stations sending via satellite, but crashes a few seconds after starting playback: heres the log: http://pastie.org/1457044 |
| [17:53:33] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, IMO, thats a loose way of thinking about it |
| [17:53:33] | JEDIDIAH__: | I have a lesser Windows box that I virtualize on my main machine and use there because it runs faster & better. |
| [17:53:43] | kormoc: | JEDIDIAH__, under equipped? 8 cores, 6 gigs of ram, 4 drives mirror... if that's under equipped I'd hate to see your electric bill |
| [17:54:14] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: i assume hes talking about the dual core consumer units, rather than the professional towers |
| [17:54:19] | JEDIDIAH__: | Most Macs don't have 8 cores. Those that do are much more expensive than PCs that have likewise. |
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| [17:54:37] | Rabbit^^: | Dual-booting is a better option than using something like VirutalBox? |
| [17:54:42] | kormoc: | JEDIDIAH__, imacs come with 4 standard and upgrade to 8 easily enough |
| [17:54:53] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: you cant get a PC with 8 cores without going to server grade hardware |
| [17:54:56] | kormoc: | JEDIDIAH__, unless you're talking laptops which are only 2 standardly |
| [17:55:06] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, i7 with HT |
| [17:55:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | iMac and "easy upgrade" don't belong on the same IRC channel. |
| [17:55:16] | wagnerrp: | and all server hardware is going to be at a significant premium over consumer stuff, apple is not the exception |
| [17:55:20] | kormoc: | JEDIDIAH__, it's a button you click |
| [17:55:23] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: that doesnt count |
| [17:55:25] | kormoc: | JEDIDIAH__, when you order it... |
| [17:55:32] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, works well enough for light VM work |
| [17:55:44] | JEDIDIAH__: | That is not an upgrade, that is a sales option. |
| [17:55:53] | kormoc: | JEDIDIAH__, it's a upgrade over base |
| [17:56:08] | JEDIDIAH__: | Calling HT more cores is also stretching a bit. |
| [17:56:22] | wagnerrp: | Rabbit^^: the better option would be selecting software that runs natively on your operating system of choice |
| [17:56:24] | kormoc: | JEDIDIAH__, but in anycase, we've argued this before. You're just a mac hater and nothing is gonna change it |
| [17:56:41] | kormoc: | JEDIDIAH__, well, I have 8 real cores in my mac, dual xeon 5400's, but that's besides the point |
| [17:56:47] | JEDIDIAH__: | "not a cult member" would be a better description. |
| [17:56:59] | kormoc: | JEDIDIAH__, so I'm a cult member because I like my hardware eh? |
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| [17:57:04] | wagnerrp: | if thats not an option, it depends on the requirements of your use to decide whether its best to run a virtual machine, dual boot, or use dedicated hardware |
| [17:57:16] | JEDIDIAH__: | when you spew obvious bullshit like some JW, yes. |
| [17:57:17] | wagnerrp: | Rabbit^^: in the case of mythtv, the proper choice would be dedicated hardware |
| [17:57:26] | kormoc: | JEDIDIAH__, JW? |
| [17:57:43] | kormoc: | JEDIDIAH__, and I spewed nothing. And no swearing in this channel |
| [17:58:07] | wagnerrp: | you can get a 4-drive mirror in an imac? |
| [17:58:37] | JEDIDIAH__: | whether or not you want the bare iron depends entirely on what you want to do and possibly how beefy the box is (mainly cpu and memory) |
| [17:58:42] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, yeah, non-retail mod. fit two of the smaller SSD's per drive slot, remove the media drive for the second two |
| [17:59:03] | JEDIDIAH__: | If you are starting with a slow CPU and small memory then virtualization may not be an option at all. |
| [17:59:14] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, there's mods to do the same with the laptops as well |
| [17:59:24] | Rabbit^^: | My current system is the following: Pentium D 920; 3GB DDR2 RAM; 160GB HDD (adding either 1TB or 500GB Caviar Blue HDD); ATI PCIe AIW 2006 edition; acquiring a Hauppauge WinTV HVR-2250; PCI WG311 NIC; PCI 56K modem. |
| [17:59:34] | JEDIDIAH__: | There are some interesting after market options for 5.25 drive bays. |
| [18:00:11] | wagnerrp: | Rabbit^^: that would make a decent, if a bit old dedicated backend |
| [18:00:19] | JEDIDIAH__: | Some make up for the lack of drive bays. |
| [18:00:29] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use it as a frontend, you will likely need to invest in an nvidia graphics card, and use VDPAU |
| [18:00:57] | wagnerrp: | and if you intend on running multiple frontends, you will need a real network card as well |
| [18:01:00] | JEDIDIAH__: | Yes. nvidia drivers are much better, including complete offload of video decoding. |
| [18:01:29] | Rabbit^^: | I do not understand what VDPAU is, even after looking at the mthtv.org page for it. |
| [18:01:39] | wagnerrp: | that P-D 920 is pretty marginal for playback of ATSC content |
| [18:01:49] | JEDIDIAH__: | VDPAU -> Purevideo -> your GPU decodes video instead of your CPU |
| [18:01:54] | wagnerrp: | it would probably work, but i make no guarantees |
| [18:03:08] | Rabbit^^: | My eventual plan would be to upgrade to MSI nVidia GPU (at least 2 years down the road due to price/income). |
| [18:03:34] | waza-ari: | Hey, my mythtv detects radio stations sending via satellite, but crashes a few seconds after starting playback: heres the log: http://pastie.org/1457044 |
| [18:04:14] | JEDIDIAH__: | replacement video cards are not terribly expensive. |
| [18:04:47] | JEDIDIAH__: | dirt cheap if you do a little smart shopping. |
| [18:04:50] | Rabbit^^: | I should probably add the PSU is Antec EarthWatts 350. I want to eventually upgrade to Core i5–600 with 750 watt PSU. |
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| [18:05:46] | Rabbit^^: | That should have been Core i5–660. |
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| [18:06:08] | wagnerrp: | why a 750W PSU? |
| [18:06:16] | waza-ari: | Is it true, that mythtv sends dts sound as dts-hd, if the bitrate is 1,5mbps or higher? |
| [18:06:29] | wagnerrp: | waza-ari: are you running trunk? |
| [18:07:11] | Rabbit^^: | Because the graphics card I am considering seem to require AT LEAST 400 watt PSU. I would like to have enough PSU for expansion down the road. |
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| [18:07:31] | wagnerrp: | why are you shoving a giant video card in a machine intended for mythtv? |
| [18:08:15] | wagnerrp: | for what its worth, that i5–660 should be plenty capable of just about anything you want to use mythtv for without a video card |
| [18:08:15] | Rabbit^^: | To hook it up to a TV for display when recording (tube TV). |
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| [18:08:44] | Azelphur: | I run mythtv on a P4 3ghz with a 9600GT |
| [18:08:50] | Azelphur: | it can playback and record HD o.O |
| [18:08:57] | wagnerrp: | if you need analog outputs to an old tube, you need an old 8 or 9 series nvidia |
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| [18:08:58] | JEDIDIAH__: | you should not be considering any monster video card for this. it will just complicate noise and cooling. |
| [18:09:06] | wagnerrp: | the newer models do not have analog outputs |
| [18:09:13] | wagnerrp: | nor do the newer model ATIs |
| [18:09:37] | wagnerrp: | and considering such an output cannot run better than 480i, you have no reason to want a monster video card for any games you may intend to play on this machine |
| [18:09:41] | Rabbit^^: | Analog is VGA, what about sVideo |
| [18:10:00] | wagnerrp: | svideo is analog, and no modern cards have such outputs |
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| [18:10:52] | JEDIDIAH__: | some DVI ports carry analog data that can be converted to SVIDEO |
| [18:11:23] | wagnerrp: | ive heard that some cards come with such breakout cables |
| [18:11:27] | skd5aner: | I think I'm going to buy this blu-ray drive – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106292 |
| [18:11:28] | Rabbit^^: | I play BASIC games (Pandora's box, Internet reversi). How would I get to the old-stylie tv that only has composite inputs or coax? |
| [18:11:32] | JEDIDIAH__: | one of my older myth boxes has such a port. |
| [18:11:37] | wagnerrp: | but i have never seen any documentation or list on what cards actually support such behavior |
| [18:12:11] | wagnerrp: | Rabbit^^: get an older 8 or 9 series nvidia card with such ports |
| [18:13:01] | Rabbit^^: | Are those series both still easily found? |
| [18:13:06] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [18:13:39] | Shadow__X: | hey guys i used scte65scan to fill in my channels and i used -p to get my local HD broadcasts but, when i try to tune them i get an error changing the channel so i went into setup and just scanned for hrc channels.That worked and i was able to find the channels but, when i try to watch them i get a tlambgv lock then error opening jump program file buffer |
| [18:14:26] | JEDIDIAH__: | DVI-I is the variant of DVI that contains analog outputs. |
| [18:14:40] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: DVI-I carries VGA outputs |
| [18:14:59] | wagnerrp: | there is nothing in the spec about carrying svideo or composite signaling over the VGA pins |
| [18:15:11] | wagnerrp: | that is completely non-standard behavior only used by some cards |
| [18:15:45] | Rabbit^^: | I was looking at a GTX 460 because of dual DVI and HDMI availability for output. |
| [18:16:32] | wagnerrp: | you cant buy dual-dvi TVs, and that interface is only used for displays >>1920x1200 |
| [18:16:47] | wagnerrp: | HDMI is available on the 8 and 9 series cards |
| [18:16:56] | JEDIDIAH__: | you can get a 8400 card that will have both outputs. |
| [18:17:09] | wagnerrp: | that too |
| [18:17:24] | wagnerrp: | dual-dvi is fairly common on 8 series cards, if not standard |
| [18:17:53] | Rabbit^^: | I am looking at nVidia's site and am having difficulty determining which ports are on the 8800 GTX. |
| [18:18:17] | wagnerrp: | why do you keep looking at these high end video cards? |
| [18:18:25] | Shadow__X: | are you planing on gaming on this machine |
| [18:18:33] | wagnerrp: | what are you going to be doing on this machine that would need any amount of graphical power? |
| [18:18:48] | Rabbit^^: | Nothing more advanced than Microsoft's Pandora's Box. |
| [18:18:54] | JEDIDIAH__: | you look at indivdiual cards to see what ports they have. at amazon or newegg or frys or wherever |
| [18:19:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | My old 8400 has an svideo port |
| [18:19:08] | wagnerrp: | so why do you need an 8800GTX for crappy card games |
| [18:19:18] | wagnerrp: | you dont need /any/ video card for that |
| [18:19:24] | wagnerrp: | just use the onboard video on the i5 |
| [18:19:30] | Rabbit^^: | Video recording/conversion from VHS tape to digital (DVD). |
| [18:19:51] | JEDIDIAH__: | video conversion is all CPU |
| [18:19:52] | wagnerrp: | Rabbit^^: the video card is not used for capture in any manner |
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| [18:20:53] | Rabbit^^: | I want a display card with outputs that work on BOTH tube TVs and (HDTVs). |
| [18:20:54] | JEDIDIAH__: | there are some windows apps that can take avantage of GPU offload for this though. For conversions, you just run your converter as long as it takes. Let it chug in the background until it's done. No hurries. |
| [18:21:18] | wagnerrp: | Rabbit^^: then you need an older 8 or 9 series with svideo outputs |
| [18:21:19] | JEDIDIAH__: | "read the box" |
| [18:21:25] | wagnerrp: | or you need to get a scan converter |
| [18:21:52] | wagnerrp: | Rabbit^^: if you didnt know this, any DVI video card can be connected to an HDMI tv with a $2 cable |
| [18:21:59] | JEDIDIAH__: | there are plenty of options available and a few are bound to suit you. Just make sure it's an 8400 or better and you should be set. |
| [18:22:28] | JEDIDIAH__: | yes DVI -> HDMI cables are pretty common. |
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| [18:24:55] | Rabbit^^: | Thank you, wagnerrp. I had forgotten there are DVI/HDMI cables. Right now, I would either hook the system up to an SDTV or 17" LCD monitor (room with LCD has NO cable access). |
| [18:25:13] | waza-ari: | wagnerrp: i'm running the most recent 0.24 fixed |
| [18:25:40] | wagnerrp: | waza-ari: mythtv 0.24 has no special handling of DTS-HD |
| [18:25:51] | wagnerrp: | it simply assumes it is normal DTS |
| [18:26:38] | wagnerrp: | Rabbit^^: do realize that if you intend to put a remote frontend in this room with no coaxial lines, you will still need to run ethernet lines |
| [18:27:03] | Rabbit^^: | The tower is on an old typewriter stand with casters (easy to move from room to room). |
| [18:27:39] | wagnerrp: | youre going to move the whole backend from room to room? |
| [18:27:40] | waza-ari: | wagnerrp: hm, this would have been a reason, since my receiver does not support dts-hd. Could it be, that a receiver does not support dts with 1,5mbps or above? |
| [18:28:01] | iamlindoro: | DTS cannot be about 1.5 Mbit |
| [18:28:06] | iamlindoro: | no such animal |
| [18:28:17] | iamlindoro: | plain DTS, that is |
| [18:28:17] | wagnerrp: | s/about/above/? |
| [18:28:24] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [18:28:45] | Rabbit^^: | I would move it to the room with the TV (about 75 ft) when I want to record something. |
| [18:29:20] | wagnerrp: | that seems like a big hassle |
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| [18:30:37] | Rabbit^^: | It is actually less of a hassle than putting coax in the room with the LCD (access to run coax cable difficult). |
| [18:35:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: nice... |
| [18:36:02] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [18:36:13] | sphery: | the job host fix for mythweb |
| [18:36:22] | sphery: | you're a man of many talents |
| [18:36:23] | wagnerrp: | just a couple lines |
| [18:36:30] | sphery: | still, it's php |
| [18:36:33] | waza-ari: | iamlindoro, these are the track infos: codec: DTS Bitrate: 1536kbps |
| [18:36:35] | sphery: | I get lost in php |
| [18:36:41] | wagnerrp: | i was doing php long before i was doing python |
| [18:36:46] | sphery: | cool |
| [18:37:05] | wagnerrp: | anyway, thats one of the big reasons i want to shift job queuing to the backend protocol |
| [18:37:10] | sphery: | any php hacks I do for mythweb I have to have kor moc check with a fine-toothed comb |
| [18:37:12] | wagnerrp: | rather than having people push things into the database |
| [18:37:19] | sphery: | yeah |
| [18:37:33] | sphery: | the current approach is rather un-developer-frienldy |
| [18:37:50] | iamlindoro: | waza-ari: 1536 is exactly 1.5 MEgabit... the max bitrate DTS allows |
| [18:38:01] | sphery: | not to mention non-developers (who shouldn't be pushing stuff to the db, anyway) |
| [18:38:07] | sphery: | at least not directly |
| [18:38:20] | stanman246: | how do i delete folders from within mythtv-setup? |
| [18:38:29] | iamlindoro: | highlight it, press d |
| [18:38:36] | sphery: | so, today I will finish a patch iamlindoro gave up on long ago |
| [18:38:38] | waza-ari: | iamlindoro: okay. could it be, that an av-receiver does not support that high bitrates? |
| [18:38:46] | sphery: | then just have to get a sanity check from Capt M |
| [18:38:47] | waza-ari: | Otherwise it would be a mythtv problem... |
| [18:38:53] | sphery: | (mythvideo schema integration) |
| [18:38:57] | iamlindoro: | waza-ari: No. If it suppots DTS, it supports all of DTS |
| [18:39:30] | waza-ari: | yeah, it supports dts, but no dts-hd. anyway, than its a mythtv problem, and i really cant figure out.... |
| [18:39:36] | Rabbit^^: | Would DX9.DX10 GPU suffice for what I wish to do on a Windows system? |
| [18:39:53] | wagnerrp: | Rabbit^^: what do you expect to do on a windows system? |
| [18:40:02] | wagnerrp: | mythtv only supports use of the frontend on windows |
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| [18:42:37] | Rabbit^^: | The Pentium D 920 system is currently running Windows xp PRO. I am just wanting to use this system to record Cable programs (mostly SD), but the coax the current GPU (AIW 2006 edition) is a pain to get functioning (IF it wants to function at all). |
| [18:43:00] | wagnerrp: | Rabbit^^: sure, there are plenty of DVR applications available for windows |
| [18:43:18] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is just not one of them |
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| [18:44:26] | Rabbit^^: | That is why I am considering dual booting this system with MythTV (Linux) and getting the additonal HDD and independent TV tuner. |
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| [18:44:59] | iamlindoro: | If you are trying to dual boot, you are a slave to having to know the schedule of things again |
| [18:45:27] | iamlindoro: | MythTV really wants to be running fulltime so that it can decide when the best time to record something is |
| [18:45:38] | wagnerrp: | of course the same can be said if youre continually wheeling this thing around the house away from the antenna line |
| [18:45:43] | iamlindoro: | Meaning it may decide to record something in a different timeslot to make sure it gets all of your programs |
| [18:46:00] | iamlindoro: | yes, if you're wheeling about and dual booting, I really don't think MythTV is the right option for you |
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| [18:47:40] | Rabbit^^: | I only record very few times during a year (figure skating season, college gymnastics championships, elite (olympic eligible gymnastics). |
| [18:47:55] | wagnerrp: | then what is the purpose of this thing? |
| [18:48:16] | Rabbit^^: | Mainly VHS conversion. |
| [18:48:31] | wagnerrp: | home videos? |
| [18:48:55] | Rabbit^^: | Yes, and audio conversion (cassettes). |
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| [18:49:21] | iamlindoro: | Myth is definitely not the right tool |
| [18:49:28] | iamlindoro: | That's just not what we're built for |
| [18:49:30] | wagnerrp: | buy a PVR-150 or similar |
| [18:49:36] | wagnerrp: | and let it capture straight to mpeg2 |
| [18:49:48] | waza-ari: | another problem: my mythtv detects radio stations sending via satellite, but crashes a few seconds after starting playback: heres the log: http://pastie.org/1457044 |
| [18:49:56] | wagnerrp: | and use a basic capture program, rather than mythtv |
| [18:50:02] | wagnerrp: | (or 'cat' if running linux) |
| [18:50:22] | stanman246: | hi, i made a /home/videos and set user:group to mythtv:mythtv. When i enter that in setup, it complaints it cannot touch a /home/videos//.test file? |
| [18:50:24] | Rabbit^^: | 'cat'? |
| [18:50:29] | wagnerrp: | concatenate |
| [18:50:32] | wagnerrp: | its a command line utility |
| [18:50:46] | wagnerrp: | the PVR cards show up as readable device |
| [18:51:01] | Rabbit^^: | So, windows might be better suited for my purpose? |
| [18:51:03] | wagnerrp: | if you read from it into a file, with 'cat', you will get a fully usable mpeg2 video file |
| [18:51:27] | wagnerrp: | so you press play on the vcr, run 'cat /dev/video0 > some_file.mpg' |
| [18:51:36] | wagnerrp: | and then ctrl-c to cancel when the tape is over |
| [18:52:01] | Rabbit^^: | Can you specific a length of time? |
| [18:52:11] | wagnerrp: | no, 'cat' is a file utility |
| [18:52:15] | wagnerrp: | i knows nothing about the video |
| [18:52:37] | wagnerrp: | you could use 'dd' and specify a certain number of bytes to copy |
| [18:52:46] | wagnerrp: | which if calculated correctly would give you an approximate time |
| [18:53:06] | waza-ari: | Rabbit^^: i guess you could write a shellscript, which would allow you to run cat a specified time. |
| [18:53:07] | wagnerrp: | but there is simply no way to automate your task |
| [18:53:23] | wagnerrp: | so there is no reason to make it any more complicated than it needs to be |
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| [18:54:25] | wagnerrp: | or, scrap the old 80s cassette recorder, and buy a new camera |
| [18:55:04] | Rabbit^^: | What about using MythTV to record from the coax using a scheduler? Maybe I should just turn my old PIII into a "play" Linux box.... These are audio cassettes (music and bookx). |
| [18:56:02] | wagnerrp: | if you want to record broadcast or cable TV, then mythtv suits your needs |
| [18:56:19] | wagnerrp: | if you want to record off a VCR, DVD player, or other similar on-demand device, you dont want mythtv |
| [18:56:21] | wagnerrp: | simple as that |
| [18:56:57] | stanman246: | unable to create /home/videos//.test rights issue? |
| [18:57:00] | Rabbit^^: | What about MythTV for Cable/broadcast and Windows for conversion? |
| [18:57:09] | wagnerrp: | and to be honest, unless it is something not purchasable, like home movies |
| [18:57:26] | wagnerrp: | its worth your time to just re-purchase them |
| [18:57:47] | wagnerrp: | go to your local record store and skim through the used bin |
| [18:58:31] | Rabbit^^: | The recorded programs I wish to catalog are mostly daytime dramas (soap operas) that are no less than two-month old episodes. |
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| [18:59:00] | wagnerrp: | so set mythtv up, give it a tuner, give it a ton of disk space |
| [18:59:02] | wagnerrp: | and tell it to record |
| [18:59:10] | waza-ari: | Rabbit^^: you could just use cat, as wagnerrp said. Start playback, and run cat, there is a way to exit automaticly after a specified time. |
| [18:59:39] | wagnerrp: | mythtv works fine for recording TV |
| [18:59:46] | wagnerrp: | it is not suited at all to recording off a device |
| [19:00:30] | Rabbit^^: | I will probably get the 1TB SATA HDD and partition it for 600/300/40 (for Windows betas) |
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| [19:00:33] | sphery: | basically, MythTV is great for (and designed for) recording based on program listings |
| [19:00:55] | sphery: | 2TB Caviar Green is $69.99 today from newegg after $20MIR |
| [19:01:05] | wagnerrp: | if you are going to be using it as a mythtv backend, it should only be using it as a mythtv backend |
| [19:01:24] | sphery: | I agree, though, that you should use something other than mythtv to record from VCR tapes |
| [19:01:32] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt be tinkering around with whatever pre-release windows version you come across |
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| [19:01:42] | Rabbit^^: | I prefer Caviar Blue (performance over power savings/consumption). |
| [19:01:50] | wagnerrp: | they dont sell Blues any more |
| [19:02:01] | wagnerrp: | greens, blacks, and raptors |
| [19:02:19] | Rabbit^^: | I only download DIRECTLY from Microsoft when public betas are released. |
| [19:02:35] | wagnerrp: | Rabbit^^: thats fine, theyre still unstable bets aoftware |
| [19:02:48] | sphery: | Rabbit^^: why not to use MythTV to record from VCR: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/232857#232857 + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/284890#284890 |
| [19:02:50] | wagnerrp: | and more importantly, if you are running those, then mythtv cannot be running to record whatever you have scheduled |
| [19:03:28] | sphery: | Rabbit^^: for video recordings, Caviar Blue is a waste of money, IMHO |
| [19:03:37] | wagnerrp: | as explained repeatedly, if you intend to record tv, mythtv should have dedicated control of the machine |
| [19:03:45] | sphery: | writing 19Mbps to a disk is not a challenge requiring high performance |
| [19:03:57] | wagnerrp: | meaning it is always running (or shutdown is controlled by mythtv), and it is always connected to the antenna and/or cable line |
| [19:03:59] | sphery: | (that's Mega*bits* per second) |
| [19:04:10] | wagnerrp: | if you dont intend to record tv, then you really shouldnt be using mythtv |
| [19:04:28] | wagnerrp: | that same guideline is going to follow through for ANY dvr software |
| [19:04:40] | sphery: | what about something like VDR? |
| [19:04:48] | sphery: | is that more of a manual-schedule app? |
| [19:04:56] | sphery: | and/or "record now" |
| [19:04:58] | wagnerrp: | dont know about that one |
| [19:04:58] | Rabbit^^: | That is what I was considering (probably LinHES for security). I would probably dual-boot (Linux/MythTV on those days I need to record), otherwise leave it connected to the LCD and boot into Windows XP). |
| [19:05:12] | wagnerrp: | what does linhes have to do with security? |
| [19:05:39] | sphery: | isn't the rumor that Arch is for security? |
| [19:06:03] | wagnerrp: | ive heard no such rumor... of course i havent been paying much attention to that |
| [19:06:11] | Rabbit^^: | I understand that is what KnoppMyth was replaced by (am I wrong)? |
| [19:06:49] | kormoc: | http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/light-up-cere . . . on-50002119/ |
| [19:06:56] | wagnerrp: | the linhes developer used to be the knoppmyth developer, but i dont know if i would call it a replacement |
| [19:07:10] | sphery: | whereas Ubuntu is for Windows users, Gentoo is for people who are smart enough to know that flipping random switches on compile and compiling for a specific CPU will gain you 100%+ performance improvements, and Fedora is for people who like to alpha test for RHEL, and ... |
| [19:08:01] | sphery: | this is just my understanding :) |
| [19:08:28] | Rabbit^^: | Mythbuntu is my other option for this system. |
| [19:09:21] | sphery: | LinHES is actually a good MythTV distro |
| [19:09:26] | sphery: | Mythbuntu is also good |
| [19:09:53] | sphery: | main difference, IMHO, is that you're more likely to find people who know about Mythbuntu (because there are a /lot/ of *buntu users) |
| [19:10:07] | Rabbit^^: | I currently use a Windows XP MCE system for recording (external 500 GB SATA HDD). |
| [19:10:10] | sphery: | so if you know Arch, you may be better off sticking with LinHES |
| [19:10:18] | sphery: | if you know *buntu, go with Mythbuntu |
| [19:10:41] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, confirmed , bug, in master log file , he launch the script on master , not on the slave ( no entry in slave log file) |
| [19:10:58] | wagnerrp: | FabriceMG: confirmed, fixed |
| [19:11:28] | Rabbit^^: | The MCE system is on a notebook with a ExpressCard TV tuner. They Pentium D 920 is a destop system. |
| [19:11:57] | FabriceMG: | alway?, or just for mythweb? |
| [19:12:10] | wagnerrp: | the problem only existed in mythweb |
| [19:12:17] | wagnerrp: | the frontend behaved properly |
| [19:12:22] | FabriceMG: | ok |
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| [19:15:51] | stanman246: | chmodded de /home/mythData/video to 777 and added in mythtv-setup |
| [19:15:55] | stanman246: | is that wise? |
| [19:16:26] | wagnerrp: | no need for it, only the user who runs mythbackend needs write access to it |
| [19:16:52] | stanman246: | aight, will try again |
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| [19:17:23] | wagnerrp: | also, you should be running mythtv-setup as the same user that runs mythbackend |
| [19:18:22] | stanman246: | so i chowned it to user:mythtv, should chmod be 750? |
| [19:18:35] | wagnerrp: | sounds decent |
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| [19:19:23] | skd5aner: | linhes was actually the first myth-distro as far as I know (since it's basically the evolution of knoppmyth |
| [19:19:56] | Rabbit^^: | With a 350-watt PSU, my options for GPUs appear to be limited to DX9 (or Linux equivalent). Is this correct? |
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| [19:20:12] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [19:22:10] | stanman246: | i can't play an avi from the media library. it takes a long time to load the movies and then it pops back to the "done/play" screen |
| [19:22:55] | Rabbit^^: | Which GPU would be the minimum that would perform adequately on the above-mentioned Pentium D 920 system? |
| [19:23:23] | stanman246: | in the logs it says: protocol version check failure |
| [19:23:29] | stanman246: | among other errors |
| [19:23:40] | wagnerrp: | stanman246: then you are running two different versions of mythtv |
| [19:23:45] | wagnerrp: | and the one will not connect to the other |
| [19:23:56] | stanman246: | ugh... again? |
| [19:24:26] | wagnerrp: | what are the two protocol versions its complaining about |
| [19:24:35] | wagnerrp: | it should say 'i speak X and the backend speaks Y' |
| [19:24:37] | stanman246: | it times out |
| [19:24:38] | wagnerrp: | or something like that |
| [19:25:03] | stanman246: | MythSocket(a75c770:27): readStringList: Connection died (select) |
| [19:25:25] | stanman246: | how do i check the frontend's version? |
| [19:25:32] | JEDIDIAH__: | if you are only doing SD stuff then you can generally get away with 5 year old or older hardware. It's mainly the HD stuff in h264 that gets interesting. |
| [19:25:39] | wagnerrp: | Rabbit^^: anything nvidia 8-series or better will be DX10 capable |
| [19:25:49] | wagnerrp: | stanman246: different error than i thought you were getting |
| [19:25:54] | wagnerrp: | ignore the above comment |
| [19:26:45] | stanman246: | i'm tailing the frontend log and it keeps throwing timeouts |
| [19:26:58] | stanman246: | The response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION was empty. |
| [19:27:02] | stanman246: | things like that |
| [19:27:17] | wagnerrp: | check your backend log for an error explaining why it seized up |
| [19:27:22] | stanman246: | MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.46:6543 (try 1 of 1) |
| [19:27:31] | Rabbit^^: | I would NOT need a dedicated TV tuner for MythTV with such a GPU? |
| [19:27:48] | stanman246: | should that be 127.0.0.1 when using the frontend on the same machine as the backend? |
| [19:27:57] | wagnerrp: | Rabbit^^: what does a GPU have anything to do with a tuner card? |
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| [19:28:24] | wagnerrp: | stanman246: no, the local frontend should still connect through 192.168.1.46 |
| [19:28:35] | JEDIDIAH__: | display and recording are completely separate and can even be on entirely separate machines with MythTV |
| [19:28:43] | Rabbit^^: | You cannot record off the GPU with MythTV? |
| [19:28:43] | stanman246: | ok. this is in the backend log: MythBackend: Running as a slave backend |
| [19:28:47] | stanman246: | slave? |
| [19:29:12] | JEDIDIAH__: | there would be little point. you need something that can recieve/decode/compress TV signals of some sort. |
| [19:29:26] | wagnerrp: | Rabbit^^: the AIW and VIVO cards not withstanding, how could you possibly record off a video OUTPUT card? |
| [19:29:43] | wagnerrp: | the problem with the AIW cards is one of drivers |
| [19:29:55] | stanman246: | MythSocket(931c528:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected. |
| [19:29:56] | stanman246: | We wrote 0 of 24 bytes with 1 errors |
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| [19:30:01] | wagnerrp: | ATI simply doesnt support them, and no one else has bothered to write open source drivers for them |
| [19:30:29] | Rabbit^^: | That is why the HVR-2250 is desired? Am I confusing purposes of add-in cards? |
| [19:30:48] | wagnerrp: | Rabbit^^: mythtv needs a tuner card or some sort of input with an external tuner |
| [19:30:51] | JEDIDIAH__: | think of an all-in-one card as 2 separate cards crammed onto the same slot |
| [19:31:01] | wagnerrp: | more specifically, it needs a tuner card supported by linux drivers |
| [19:31:02] | Shadow__X: | back in the day there where third party drivers named something like gatos but that was eons ago |
| [19:31:10] | wagnerrp: | there are no linux drivers for the tuner input of the AIW units |
| [19:31:14] | wagnerrp: | so mythtv cannot use them |
| [19:31:39] | wagnerrp: | further, there is no real desire to support such things |
| [19:31:49] | Rabbit^^: | I understand now, I think. The GPU would be only for DISPLAY, the TV tuner for recording? |
| [19:31:51] | Shadow__X: | and even still afaik they are frame grabbers arent they? |
| [19:31:52] | wagnerrp: | the AIW units tended to be expensive, high end graphics cards |
| [19:31:54] | JEDIDIAH__: | they are pretty obsolete at this point. |
| [19:32:06] | wagnerrp: | so anyone who purchased one would be upgrading it in a year or two for a newer model |
| [19:32:21] | wagnerrp: | why would you want to spend your time writing drivers for something which is just going to be discarded in fairly short order |
| [19:32:38] | wagnerrp: | in comparison to something like a digital tuner, which is good until it fails |
| [19:33:23] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, the AIW units were all framegrabbers |
| [19:33:31] | wagnerrp: | which are not very good for recording off of it |
| [19:33:45] | stanman246: | wagnerrp: i had 127.0.0.1 in the first and 192.168.1.46 in the second ip boxes in mythtv-setup... now it's running fine and i get to see my video! |
| [19:33:57] | wagnerrp: | and even worse, the older AIW units were hardwired into the graphics output |
| [19:34:06] | Rabbit^^: | The AIW line was all AMD (still ATI when the system was culit in 2006) had if one wanted to record from TV or VCR, from what I understand. |
| [19:34:08] | wagnerrp: | meaning their software had to tell the video card where to put the video |
| [19:34:19] | wagnerrp: | and the card would composite the live stream in directly |
| [19:34:25] | wagnerrp: | there was no mechanism for capture |
| [19:34:46] | wagnerrp: | in 2006, if you wanted to record from a VCR, you should have gotten a PVR-150 |
| [19:35:01] | wagnerrp: | today in 2011, that is still the case |
| [19:35:17] | Rabbit^^: | I did not know about nVidia or Hauppauge at that time, unfortunately. |
| [19:35:43] | wagnerrp: | nvidia is preferred merely because they provide good linux drivers (see the common theme this keeps going back to?) |
| [19:35:54] | wagnerrp: | the hauppauge PVR line is good because they are mpeg encoders |
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| [19:36:09] | wagnerrp: | for recording analog, they are very minimal hassle |
| [19:36:23] | Rabbit^^: | What about the WinTV HVR line/ |
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| [19:36:48] | wagnerrp: | the 1600, 1850, 1950, and 2250 all include mpeg encoders |
| [19:36:57] | wagnerrp: | the lower end 950 and 1250 do not |
| [19:37:38] | Rabbit^^: | Okay. That is why the difference in price (along with single vs dual tuner). |
| [19:39:33] | JEDIDIAH__: | nvidia makes better drivers,not even getting into VDPAU. their drivers are better able to cope with HDTVs that emit bad PnP information that confuse other brands of video card. |
| [19:41:41] | Rabbit^^: | With my purposes, is there any reason to purchase a GPU with HDMI output (no HDTV in either room currently, just SD TV). |
| [19:42:05] | wagnerrp: | you cant buy a video card these days that doesnt do HDMI |
| [19:42:45] | Rabbit^^: | What about GeForce 800 or 900 series? |
| [19:43:14] | wagnerrp: | even if they have no HDMI port, the DVI ports still behave as HDMI |
| [19:43:22] | wagnerrp: | all you need is a $2 adapter |
| [19:43:48] | Rabbit^^: | Would a DVI/HDMI cable do the same? |
| [19:43:57] | wagnerrp: | same thing |
| [19:44:13] | wagnerrp: | if you plug a TV in that tells the card it can receive audio, the card will tell the TV it is sending audio |
| [19:44:19] | wagnerrp: | even if youre using the DVI port |
| [19:44:41] | Rabbit^^: | Interesting, I did not realize that. |
| [19:44:50] | wagnerrp: | i ran into a problem with my 8400 where it would do that |
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| [19:45:03] | wagnerrp: | as a result, the TV would not accept analog audio, assuming it was getting something over HDMI |
| [19:45:13] | jokajak: | IS THAT IT?! |
| [19:45:21] | jokajak: | wagnerrp: is there any way around that? |
| [19:45:50] | wagnerrp: | feed the nvidia drivers a modified EDID, so they dont think the TV will accept analog, and thus wont send it |
| [19:46:10] | Rabbit^^: | DVI-to-composite CABLES do not exist, correct? |
| [19:46:31] | wagnerrp: | if any card supports them, it will be entirely non-standard |
| [19:46:57] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: was claiming he had such a card, ive seen cables sold |
| [19:47:05] | wagnerrp: | ive never personally see a card that would do that |
| [19:47:21] | wagnerrp: | jokajak: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Analog_Sound_DVI_to_HDMI |
| [19:47:31] | JEDIDIAH__: | it was not a discrete card. it was an embedded i945. Although I have an nv9400 with svideo and DVI ports. |
| [19:47:40] | JEDIDIAH__: | it's asus and it's fanless. |
| [19:47:50] | JEDIDIAH__: | got it from newegg originally |
| [19:47:55] | Rabbit^^: | So, the best idea (since TV where cable TV is accessed is SDTV) would be through an sVideo port (not DVI)? |
| [19:48:00] | jokajak: | wagnerrp: thanks, you rock |
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| [19:48:29] | JEDIDIAH__: | s/nv9400/nv9400 |
| [19:48:35] | Rabbit^^: | Oops, ignore the emoticon.... |
| [19:48:37] | wagnerrp: | gf9400? |
| [19:48:51] | JEDIDIAH__: | that's an nv8400 with svideo and DVI. |
| [19:49:12] | JEDIDIAH__: | all of my 9400 are embedded. |
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| [19:49:40] | wagnerrp: | so 9400m |
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| [19:50:08] | JEDIDIAH__: | 3 IONs and a Mini. |
| [19:50:10] | stanman246: | so on the backend machine i can run the frontend ui and view movies.. On my laptop i've installed the frontend, but can't find videos in the media library |
| [19:50:27] | Tanthrix: | Anyone around here have a 120hz TV with their myth setup? |
| [19:50:38] | JEDIDIAH__: | you have to configure the new frontend to find stuff. |
| [19:50:59] | stanman246: | how? |
| [19:51:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | setup menus. |
| [19:51:15] | ** Rabbit^^ would LOVE to upgrade SDTV to LED backlit LCD HDTV (cannot afford it :() ** | |
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| [19:53:35] | stanman246: | hmm i only see "Watch Recordings" in there |
| [19:54:38] | stanman246: | by configuring you mean: the database server settings? |
| [19:56:27] | wagnerrp: | stanman246: you added the proper Videos storage group to the backend? |
| [19:56:42] | wagnerrp: | if you only see 'watch recordings', then you have not installed mythvideo |
| [19:57:02] | stanman246: | on the backend i can view the videos |
| [19:57:14] | stanman246: | so i guess it's configured ok on that box |
| [19:57:16] | stanman246: | right? |
| [19:57:33] | stanman246: | how do i install mythvideo on the frontend? |
| [19:57:40] | stanman246: | apt-get install mythvideo? |
| [19:57:47] | wagnerrp: | maybe |
| [19:57:54] | wagnerrp: | would have to ask your distro |
| [19:58:14] | stanman246: | yup, it's installing |
| [19:58:36] | stanman246: | and there's the Watch Videos! |
| [19:58:39] | wagnerrp: | also, you should have configured mythvideo by adding the folders to the Videos storage group in mythtv-setup |
| [19:58:52] | wagnerrp: | if you defined any folders for use anywhere else, you did it wrong |
| [20:02:20] | Tanthrix: | Am I correct in assuming that the 120hz tech of newer TVs would not work on a signal being output at 60hz? (ie, you'd need to output at 24hz for it to actually work right) |
| [20:03:03] | stanman246: | nice, the stored videos on the backend are visible and ok via wifi! |
| [20:03:17] | iamlindoro: | Tanthrix: Incorrect |
| [20:03:37] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: So the set must have some sort of nifty frame detection to get rid of the duplicate frames? |
| [20:03:38] | iamlindoro: | 120Hz TVs exist precisely because they are divisible by all the common multiples in their market |
| [20:03:45] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [20:03:50] | iamlindoro: | 120/60 = 2 |
| [20:03:54] | iamlindoro: | 120/24 = 5 |
| [20:03:59] | iamlindoro: | 120/3 = 4 |
| [20:04:02] | iamlindoro: | er 30 |
| [20:04:21] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: Yah, I get that. But suppose you're watching a 24 fps movie, being output from your system over DVI at 60hz. |
| [20:04:22] | AndyCap: | 120/24=5 is more like luck. :P |
| [20:04:42] | ** AndyCap is waiting for the 300hz tv. ** | |
| [20:04:43] | iamlindoro: | no, it's not luck |
| [20:04:54] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap: Why wait? 480Hz TVs already exist |
| [20:04:59] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: You're getting frames being held for more time, since obviously 24 does not go into 60 hz. So the TV must either detect these frames and get rid of them, or it doesn't work. |
| [20:05:22] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: because common 50 and 60 hz + 24p go evenly into 300 |
| [20:05:38] | iamlindoro: | Tanthrix: There's nothing a 120Hz television has to do that a 60 Hz television doesn't have to do for 24p content |
| [20:05:45] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap: Then you want a 600 Hz TV, which also exists |
| [20:06:22] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: can't say I've seen one except for panasonic advertising "sub-field drive" which sounds dodgy |
| [20:06:43] | iamlindoro: | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olstemplatemapper . . . 3E1900-01-01 |
| [20:06:44] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: If it's going to get those 24 fps evenly, it's gotta be doing something. It won't happen through magic. |
| [20:06:47] | iamlindoro: | 39 of them right there |
| [20:07:09] | iamlindoro: | Tanthrix: I never implied it was magic-- Some TVs interpolate black frames, some interpolate a "half-frame" |
| [20:07:33] | iamlindoro: | But there's nothing revolutionary about a 120Hz TV having to do it, since TVs have been dealing with it for years |
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| [20:08:23] | AndyCap: | for 24 into 60 and back to 24 isn't there inverse telecine? |
| [20:09:03] | iamlindoro: | Yes, though that has more to do with decoding than display |
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| [20:12:17] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: And I'm not sure you are correct about TVs having been dealing with all of this for years. Unless dvd players actually output at 24hz when doing a pull down, they have been relying on the source to handle it. |
| [20:12:46] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: Even when I'm watching a 24 fps movie on myth, the outgoing signal is 60hz, and has the extra frames accordingly. |
| [20:13:10] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: Hence my original question – can 120hz TVs deal with that and drop the unnecessary frames, or do they need a true 24hz source to work properly. |
| [20:13:28] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: (And by drop, I mean do whatever jiggery pokery is necessary to deal with things.) |
| [20:13:42] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: 'subfield drive' on a 'plasma' just seems so right... |
| [20:14:16] | Tanthrix: | In any event, has anyone actually used a 120hz TV with myth, and glad they have it? |
| [20:14:51] | Tanthrix: | Some forum posts I've been reading are not favorable, but a lot of people seem to be confusing 120hz with motion interpolation stuff, which are two totally different things. |
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| [20:18:25] | iamlindoro: | Tanthrix: You can be not sure all you like, you're still getting correct answers |
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| [20:19:27] | skd5aner: | hmmm, lots of discrepencies in SD's lineup with the actual lineup by my provider, and they're only fixing the ones I've stumbled upon, not the whole lineup :/ |
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| [20:19:56] | kormoc: | what provider? |
| [20:20:20] | skd5aner: | TWC |
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| [20:20:59] | skd5aner: | ack... nm, some of it is my own dumb fault |
| [20:21:16] | skd5aner: | I forgot I had hid some stations – but other are genuinely missing |
| [20:21:28] | skd5aner: | but I should say "lots" any more, now a handful |
| [20:21:41] | skd5aner: | (as in I hid them within SD) |
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| [20:23:05] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: When myth/mplayer/whatever outputs 24fps progressive content on a 60hz screen, you end up with a few extra, doubled frames – do you not? |
| [20:23:38] | iamlindoro: | Tanthrix: Depends entirely on how you configure it-- Configured properly, MythTV will modify the refresh rate to match the video framerate |
| [20:24:06] | iamlindoro: | See the Judder Free Playback article in the wiki for information on setting it up |
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| [20:24:49] | iamlindoro: | Any 120 Hz TV will allow you to input at all relevant framerates natively, and Myth will swap and choose the correct ones for your display automatically if you tell it to do so |
| [20:24:50] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: Well, that's sort of why I asked my original question. I wasn't aware myth could alter the refresh rate of the video card's output in a realtime. So I figured either new sets could detect and remove these doubled frames, or they couldn't. |
| [20:25:13] | iamlindoro: | sigh |
| [20:25:20] | iamlindoro: | Too much work |
| [20:25:21] | iamlindoro: | good luck |
| [20:25:41] | iamlindoro: | Just don't get why some people are intent on making answering their questions an abject misery |
| [20:25:54] | Tanthrix: | Man, you have become so jaded. I'm kind of sorry for you. |
| [20:26:20] | Tanthrix: | But thanks for the comments. I'm sorry talking causes you so much angst. |
| [20:26:41] | iamlindoro: | I'm sorry you can't ask a question and be open to the fact that you don't already have the answers all worked out |
| [20:27:32] | iamlindoro: | You asked a question you already felt you had the answer to. If you don't want to correct answers, just don't ask the questions in the first place. |
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| [20:29:28] | Tanthrix: | It's amazing to me that you cannot see how jaded you've become – ready to burst out with frustration and anger at even the slightest provocation. Something I only see in teachers, people who work in retail, and those that answer questions in irc. |
| [20:30:00] | Tanthrix: | I remember a few years back when you were pretty fun loving – in fact, I recall the two of us talking in here with glee about the new hd pvr. |
| [20:30:48] | Tanthrix: | But I don't want to turn this into some tirade, my apologies to everyone else in the chan. I was simply working through my thought process and understanding, not trying to bite the hand that feeds me. |
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| [21:09:50] | skd5aner: | yay – my provider now carries Comedy Central HD (finally!) |
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| [21:12:20] | Shadow__X: | welcome |
| [21:12:40] | Shadow__X: | to hd |
| [21:16:00] | wagnerrp: | sphery: it just dawned on me... mythtv IS 3dtv |
| [21:16:08] | wagnerrp: | real 3d tv |
| [21:16:14] | iamlindoro: | dumbasses, dickheads, and deadbeats? |
| [21:16:30] | wagnerrp: | nah, we can slew around in time at will |
| [21:16:31] | iamlindoro: | I can get you a few more d's if you like |
| [21:17:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, now /that/ is useful 3D |
| [21:17:23] | sphery: | width, height, time |
| [21:17:27] | sphery: | only 3 Ds I need |
| [21:17:53] | sphery: | did you see the beating Nintendo is taking about the 3DS? |
| [21:18:10] | sphery: | seems people are upset that Nintendo is warning it could be hazardous to development for children 6 and under |
| [21:18:19] | wagnerrp: | i heard they said you shouldnt play it for extended periods, or as small children |
| [21:18:42] | sphery: | you'd think they'd say, "Wait, if /one/ vendor says this, perhaps instead of being upset with that vendor, I should question the integrity of other vendors." |
| [21:18:43] | wagnerrp: | but even the Wii will cut in every few hours and tell you take a break |
| [21:18:53] | sphery: | yeah |
| [21:19:08] | sphery: | it's very unlikely, though, that a kid is going to stop after 30min of 3D |
| [21:19:15] | sphery: | that's just now how kids seem to work |
| [21:19:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, they were getting complaints from other 3D vendors that they were 'blowing it out of proportion' |
| [21:19:30] | sphery: | yeah |
| [21:19:39] | sphery: | though one of the tv vendors made a similar claim |
| [21:19:47] | sphery: | also included pregnant women and elderly |
| [21:20:04] | sphery: | Samsung |
| [21:20:11] | wagnerrp: | pregnant and the elderly? |
| [21:20:15] | sphery: | http://www.samsung.com/au/tv/warning.html |
| [21:20:42] | sphery: | they've changed the wording... no longer mention pregnant women |
| [21:20:56] | wagnerrp: | the elderly need no depth perception anyway |
| [21:21:02] | sphery: | the idea was they could become disoriented after watching and fall and hurt themselves/the baby |
| [21:21:49] | sphery: | http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/04/14/samsung- . . . watch-3d-tv/ mentions the old warning |
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| [21:22:35] | wagnerrp: | yes, because its the 3dtv that is causing disorientation in drunks |
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| [21:23:15] | sphery: | heh, yeah, that one makes no sense |
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| [21:41:13] | aputerboy: | Any update on the best fix for the transcoding issue with 0.24 where the audio gets fubarred if there are 6 streams (presumably because ffmpeg doesn't know ho to deal with them). The bug was discussed in http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/466592 but I'm not sure (A) what is the best way to hack fix it now (B) if there is any hope of recovering the broken files I have until now |
| [21:41:39] | aputerboy: | and (C) if there is a real fix coming along soon |
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| [21:44:37] | Montreal1: | hi folks |
| [21:46:09] | Montreal1: | i'm new in mythtv, so i need help how to add livestream channels which are "http" format... |
| [21:46:13] | Montreal1: | where to start? |
| [21:46:39] | wagnerrp: | mythtv only supports IPTV in RTP format |
| [21:47:27] | Montreal1: | so, i cannot usi it at all? |
| [21:47:38] | Montreal1: | use* |
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| [21:48:02] | Montreal1: | those are h264 streams |
| [21:48:07] | Montreal1: | mpeg |
| [21:48:17] | wagnerrp: | stuff only gets written as someone presents a need |
| [21:48:39] | jokajak: | and usually scratches their own itch |
| [21:48:39] | wagnerrp: | the existing IPTV support was because someone needed it for FreeBox in France, so they wrote support and it got committed in |
| [21:49:02] | wagnerrp: | so far, no one with the need for HTTP-based IPTV has 'scratched their itch' and wrote it |
| [21:49:36] | wagnerrp: | IPTV systems are still fairly rare, and ones that support unencrypted access rarer still |
| [21:49:39] | Montreal1: | so, i'm stuck |
| [21:49:40] | Montreal1: | :) |
| [21:49:51] | wagnerrp: | so the fact that the IPTV support is fairly immature should be of no surprise |
| [21:50:41] | wagnerrp: | is this service available to anyone? or only canada? or only your ISP? |
| [21:51:08] | Montreal1: | it is |
| [21:51:14] | Montreal1: | 5000 users |
| [21:51:15] | Montreal1: | so far |
| [21:51:20] | wagnerrp: | so... only your ISP |
| [21:51:51] | Montreal1: | http://en.nettvplus.com/ |
| [21:52:12] | Montreal1: | it is world-wide service |
| [21:54:03] | iamlindoro: | Holy fly by night, batman |
| [21:54:56] | wagnerrp: | so... this is not IPTV? |
| [21:55:14] | wagnerrp: | it seems like they have no service, just software |
| [21:55:23] | Montreal1: | sor-off |
| [21:55:26] | iamlindoro: | "Net TV does not broadcast TV channels, but it browses TV/RADIO streams in the global Internet network from all the world" |
| [21:55:27] | Montreal1: | sort* |
| [21:55:40] | iamlindoro: | So it's MythNetvision :P |
| [21:55:51] | wagnerrp: | they offer nothing that we can support |
| [21:55:55] | wagnerrp: | because they offer... nothing |
| [21:56:03] | iamlindoro: | "Net TV browser has the option to search films that have already been set free on the Internet" |
| [21:56:04] | iamlindoro: | hahaha |
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| [21:57:25] | kormoc: | nothing says professional like a marquee |
| [21:57:59] | wagnerrp: | is that whats in that flash box i have blocked/ |
| [21:58:30] | kormoc: | nah, just very bottom of the screen on each page load |
| [21:58:40] | Shadow__X: | i have 2 video sources that both use the same schedules direct account. one source has all the listing information but, the otherone is not populating the information even though they use the same xmltvid |
| [21:58:48] | wagnerrp: | mus t be part of the javascript i have blocked |
| [21:59:16] | aputerboy: | Any of you gurus able to help on my question with the transcoding issue in 0.24? |
| [21:59:21] | wagnerrp: | i love being able to turn off the annoyingnet |
| [22:00:27] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [22:02:59] | sphery: | "set free", heh |
| [22:03:11] | sphery: | yeah, poor caged films... |
| [22:03:21] | sphery: | let them be free... if they love you, they will return |
| [22:03:31] | JEDIDIAH__: | worked for Kurosawa |
| [22:04:11] | Shadow__X: | any ideas for the listing information not showing up? |
| [22:04:25] | Montreal1: | ok guys, tnx |
| [22:04:26] | Montreal1: | :) |
| [22:07:25] | wagnerrp: | Montreal1: if you want to use something like that... it basically sounds exactly like boxee, but you have to pay for it |
| [22:08:14] | sphery: | Shadow__X: you /must/ scan for channels on all scannable digital tuners types |
| [22:09:25] | sphery: | Shadow__X: if you have an unscannable tuner (analog with PVR-150 or HD-PVR or firewire) connected to a digital source, you will need to use mythfilldatabase --only-update-channels --do-not-filter-new-channels and, potentially, --do-channel-updates |
| [22:10:24] | Montreal1: | i thought to setup mythtv for that |
| [22:10:31] | Shadow__X: | sphery: i filled the channels on my atsc tuner using scte65scan |
| [22:10:50] | Montreal1: | what player mythtv use?...vlc ? |
| [22:10:55] | Montreal1: | or mplayer |
| [22:10:56] | wagnerrp: | yes, mythtv provides a similar capacity through mythnetvision |
| [22:10:59] | wagnerrp: | neither |
| [22:11:18] | AndyCap: | oh, it does books too. haha |
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| [22:11:53] | Montreal1: | mythnetvision plugin, can be setup for personal needs? |
| [22:11:58] | sphery: | Shadow__X: and you're saying that you have channels but no guide data? if so, you either need to fix xmltvid on those channels or you need to fix the video source specified in input connections (likely the former) |
| [22:12:20] | sphery: | Montreal1: you can write your own grabber scripts |
| [22:13:01] | Shadow__X: | sphery:that is correct. I even went into mythweb and copy and pasted the xmltvid's to make sure it wasnt a type. I am trying --do-channel-updates now |
| [22:13:48] | sphery: | but we will only accept scripts that follow ToS and aren't blatant violations of prevalent copyright laws (with an eye toward, mainly, US copyright law--which is pretty much the superset of other countries' :) |
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| [22:14:33] | Montreal1: | this is the http link format: http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:8080/stream/?channel=X . . . p;p=XXX=true |
| [22:14:38] | Montreal1: | i can play it local with vlc |
| [22:15:01] | wagnerrp: | where xxx is your local machine? |
| [22:15:11] | Montreal1: | no, server address |
| [22:15:47] | wagnerrp: | but at least according to their website, their servers didnt provide any content |
| [22:15:55] | kormoc: | Getting schedule data would be difficult |
| [22:16:06] | Montreal1: | i don't need schedule |
| [22:16:07] | Montreal1: | :) |
| [22:16:08] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I bet it returns a playlist to other contents |
| [22:16:15] | kormoc: | Montreal1, then why would you want to use a pvr? |
| [22:16:43] | Montreal1: | don't need pvr, i need to watch it on my tv...instead on pc and running via vlc |
| [22:17:05] | kormoc: | Montreal1, and Myth is a PVR |
| [22:17:25] | Montreal1: | i know... |
| [22:17:27] | wagnerrp: | PVRs record scheduled, broadcast streams |
| [22:17:33] | wagnerrp: | not on-demand content |
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| [22:17:44] | wagnerrp: | on demand content is... on demand, it doesnt need to be recorded |
| [22:18:03] | Shadow__X: | sphery: i already made sure i typed the account information in the video source correctly and it picked the listing source from schedules direct. Now its only a few channels |
| [22:18:43] | Montreal1: | idea was only to replace pc-vlc option |
| [22:18:47] | Montreal1: | and get it on tv |
| [22:18:50] | Montreal1: | tha's it |
| [22:18:51] | Montreal1: | :) |
| [22:19:09] | kormoc: | just use vlc on your tv |
| [22:19:17] | kormoc: | or xbmc or boxee or what not |
| [22:19:42] | Montreal1: | but noth mythtv |
| [22:19:43] | Montreal1: | :) |
| [22:20:01] | wagnerrp: | Montreal1: hes saying use the indexing services provided by xbmc or boxee or mythtv |
| [22:20:01] | kormoc: | We don't support that usage model |
| [22:20:05] | sphery: | mythtv is really for people with broadcast TV with listings information |
| [22:20:08] | kormoc: | or that |
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| [22:20:18] | wagnerrp: | nettvplus doesnt provide content, they are an indexing service |
| [22:20:22] | kormoc: | use mythnetvision or boxee to get the same content for free |
| [22:20:23] | wagnerrp: | they link you to internet content |
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| [22:20:45] | wagnerrp: | boxee and mythnetvision both provide mechanisms of searching through internet content |
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| [22:24:36] | Montreal1: | ok, tnx |
| [22:24:38] | Montreal1: | :) |
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| [22:47:06] | Shadow__X: | i am just not sure whats going on. This listing problem has not happened to me before |
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| [22:54:12] | xaxes: | hey folks.. I had kill my mythtv-folder.. now I have a database, that "thinks" there are many video-files, but there arent.. how can I told the database to "update" its entrys on the current situtation? |
| [22:54:21] | sphery: | which "video files" do you mean? |
| [22:54:27] | sphery: | recordings or mythvideo videos? |
| [22:54:31] | xaxes: | all recorded data ;) |
| [22:54:36] | xaxes: | recordings ;) |
| [22:54:44] | sphery: | so you lost all your recordings or only some? |
| [22:54:49] | xaxes: | all :) |
| [22:55:03] | sphery: | and you're on mythtv 0.24-fixes? |
| [22:55:11] | wagnerrp: | should just be able to truncate recorded right? |
| [22:55:16] | sphery: | no... |
| [22:55:17] | xaxes: | wait,gonna look for version.. would be svn one week ago |
| [22:55:19] | sphery: | much easier approach\ |
| [22:55:24] | sphery: | just need to know version |
| [22:55:24] | wagnerrp: | wont the housekeeper will handle everything else? |
| [22:55:41] | xaxes: | MythTV Version : b0.24-623-g0070077 |
| [22:55:42] | sphery: | we can get mythtv to handle them all properly |
| [22:55:57] | Beirdo: | that's master |
| [22:56:02] | sphery: | xaxes: ok, so one approach is: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py |
| [22:57:11] | xaxes: | aahh.. of course.. used this script before :) couldnt remember the name |
| [22:57:29] | sphery: | and another is to go to Watch Recordings in the frontend, highlight "All Programs", then MENU|Add this group to playlist, MENU|Playlist options|Storage Options|Change Recording Group and type in "Deleted" (no quotes) |
| [22:57:35] | aputerboy: | WAGNER / SPHERY – sorry to bother you guys but wasn't sure if you didn't see this or just you don't have an answer :P but |
| [22:57:36] | aputerboy: | Any update on the best fix for the transcoding issue with 0.24 where the audio gets fubarred if there are 6 streams (presumably because ffmpeg doesn't know ho to deal with them). The bug was discussed in http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/466592 but I'm not sure (A) what is the best way to hack fix it now (B) if there is any hope of recovering the broken files I have until now |
| [22:58:01] | sphery: | aputerboy: I don't know anything about transcoding or player/transcoder capabilities :( soryy |
| [22:58:19] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: didnt you trace down what was going on there? |
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| [23:00:23] | xaxes: | sphery: thank you very much :) |
| [23:00:38] | sphery: | all cleared up (or cleared out, as the case may be)? |
| [23:01:09] | xaxes: | sphery: no, using the frontend way didnt cleared anything.. but Im gonna try the orphans script again ;) |
| [23:01:38] | sphery: | oh, yeah, forgot... with the frontend way, you have to then manually flush the deleted recgroup |
| [23:02:02] | xaxes: | sphery: how to flush this group? |
| [23:02:13] | sphery: | flush_deleted_recgroup.pl |
| [23:02:30] | sphery: | with the --force argument |
| [23:03:41] | xaxes: | mhh .. Havnt the current repo now.. gonna pull it from svn |
| [23:03:44] | xaxes: | /git |
| [23:05:17] | sphery: | if you just need the one file, you can get it direct from github |
| [23:05:32] | sphery: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/raw/master/m . . . _recgroup.pl |
| [23:07:13] | xaxes: | mhh I experienced som other problems with my mythtv commit.. Watching few minutes livetv disables the possibility to dive through the recording (ffw/fb) |
| [23:10:11] | xaxes: | executing find_orphans from your links results in : http://paste.frubar.net/13251 .. but I have to say that Im arent familiar with python, so I dont know what's to fix |
| [23:12:50] | Shadow__X: | i still have a few channels that are not being populated with listing data. the xmltvid's are correct and my other video source which uses the same xmltvid's successfully gets the listing information |
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| [23:37:30] | Hilikus: | i see a setting in recording profiles for the aspect ratio. i have an sd stb so i imagine the signal is 4:3. if i set this at 16:9 it will just stretch it horizontally right? |
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| [23:38:07] | mattwj2002: | hey all |
| [23:38:29] | Twiggy2cents: | Hey, can anybody tell me if the Human Target last night aired or if it was the tucson memorial? |
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| [23:39:09] | Beirdo: | Twiggy2cents: I had a 2h recording named Human Target |
| [23:39:17] | Beirdo: | the first part was Raising Hope |
| [23:39:21] | Beirdo: | so I hit stop |
| [23:39:34] | mattwj2002: | hi Beirdo |
| [23:39:41] | Beirdo: | ahoy there |
| [23:39:50] | Twiggy2cents: | Beirdo, thats what I had |
| [23:39:55] | mattwj2002: | are you a developer? |
| [23:40:11] | ** Beirdo makes shifty eyes and hides his user cloak ** | |
| [23:40:16] | Beirdo: | maybe.... :) |
| [23:40:21] | mattwj2002: | okay |
| [23:40:22] | Beirdo: | yeah.. |
| [23:40:28] | mattwj2002: | well I was just thinking .... |
| [23:40:35] | Twiggy2cents: | So I wonder if it will be an episode lost in the breeze or if it will reair next week |
| [23:40:44] | Beirdo: | Twiggy2cents: so I dunno, I will have to see if there's something in there that doesn't suck... |
| [23:40:47] | mattwj2002: | it would be cool if we had a way of encoding with mythexport for the ipad |
| [23:40:48] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [23:41:00] | Beirdo: | nuvexport I can help you with |
| [23:41:06] | iamlindoro: | mattwj2002, mythexport isn't produced by myth devs |
| [23:41:11] | Beirdo: | mythexport is someone else's stuff :) |
| [23:41:12] | mattwj2002: | oh |
| [23:41:17] | mattwj2002: | okay |
| [23:41:37] | mattwj2002: | well it would be easy to hack something together using handbrake for nuvexport |
| [23:41:39] | Beirdo: | but there's no reason we couldn't add it to nuvexport if it's not already there |
| [23:41:40] | mattwj2002: | for the ipad |
| [23:41:43] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [23:41:46] | mattwj2002: | not sure how to do it with ffmpeg |
| [23:42:06] | mattwj2002: | I don't even have an ipad |
| [23:42:08] | Beirdo: | I do want to add handbrake exporting into there |
| [23:42:15] | mattwj2002: | but that would be sweet for people that have one! |
| [23:42:21] | Beirdo: | for me, I want it for my nook color :) |
| [23:42:27] | Beirdo: | my first attempt failed |
| [23:42:37] | Beirdo: | but I'll try again |
| [23:42:40] | mattwj2002: | you still have that link I sent you? |
| [23:42:44] | skd5aner: | nook color is capable of good video playback? |
| [23:42:49] | Beirdo: | mattwj2002: yup |
| [23:42:53] | mattwj2002: | ok |
| [23:42:54] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: supposedly |
| [23:43:11] | Beirdo: | H.264 or MP4 or... at a pretty high resolution |
| [23:43:14] | skd5aner: | does it have a built in video player or are you hacking at it? |
| [23:43:22] | Beirdo: | yes... and yes |
| [23:43:23] | mattwj2002: | mythexport is working well for me....but I need some more horses under the hood |
| [23:43:42] | Beirdo: | I rooted it, put normal android apps on it |
| [23:44:05] | mattwj2002: | Beirdo |
| [23:44:32] | mattwj2002: | with mythexport (if you try that) use Doggcatcher because mythexport puts it in an RSS feed |
| [23:44:33] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [23:44:56] | mattwj2002: | Doggcatcher is an android RSS reader and video player |
| [23:45:00] | mattwj2002: | it is freaking sweet |
| [23:45:02] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: are you getting free 3G with it? |
| [23:45:18] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: no, the nook color has no 3G |
| [23:45:22] | Beirdo: | wifi only |
| [23:45:23] | skd5aner: | ah, wifi |
| [23:45:42] | Beirdo: | but... my Nexus One has 3G and can act as a wifi hotspot |
| [23:45:45] | Beirdo: | so... |
| [23:46:10] | skd5aner: | yea, my droid 2 does too, haven't rooted it yet though... stupid Verizon |
| [23:46:11] | mattwj2002: | you have a Nexus One O_o |
| [23:46:16] | mattwj2002: | me too! |
| [23:46:16] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [23:47:01] | Beirdo: | yup. Nexus One on AT&T |
| [23:47:09] | mattwj2002: | I went T-mobile |
| [23:47:41] | Beirdo: | I pulled the SIM from my iPhone 3G and put it in. :) Works great |
| [23:47:43] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: the nook has 3G available though right? |
| [23:47:52] | skd5aner: | is yours just a wifi only model? |
| [23:47:52] | Beirdo: | yes, nook classic has 3G |
| [23:48:00] | Beirdo: | nook color doesn't |
| [23:48:02] | skd5aner: | ah, not an option in color then |
| [23:48:03] | skd5aner: | cool |
| [23:48:09] | mattwj2002: | nice |
| [23:48:13] | Beirdo: | or rather... nook classic CAN have 3G |
| [23:48:23] | Beirdo: | but the color is so nice. 7" android tablet |
| [23:48:26] | Beirdo: | for $250 |
| [23:48:53] | Beirdo: | it's not perfect when rooted, but it's pretty sweet. and I use it for ebooks too (both nook and kindle app) |
| [23:49:15] | Beirdo: | first thing I installed after rooting it... android kindle app |
| [23:49:19] | Beirdo: | then angry birds :) |
| [23:49:24] | mattwj2002: | I rather have a Archos 101 |
| [23:49:25] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [23:49:33] | Beirdo: | which is FUN to play on that size of screen |
| [23:49:35] | mattwj2002: | 10.1 inch |
| [23:49:35] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [23:49:38] | Beirdo: | meh |
| [23:49:49] | Beirdo: | too big for easily carrying inside my jacket, etc |
| [23:49:59] | mattwj2002: | get the Archos 70 then |
| [23:50:00] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [23:50:17] | ** Beirdo smacks mattwj2002 with a nook color ** | |
| [23:50:28] | mattwj2002: | O_O |
| [23:50:39] | Beirdo: | it's fun to come in over adb and poke around the kernel |
| [23:50:40] | ** sphery just carries his 15.4" widescreen laptop ** | |
| [23:50:48] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: yea, compelling :) |
| [23:50:50] | Beirdo: | linux ++ |
| [23:51:18] | Beirdo: | if it had 3G, I'd love it even more |
| [23:51:30] | sphery: | for the same reason I don't sit 2 blocks away from my TV at home when watching |
| [23:51:42] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:51:49] | skd5aner: | I see the nookdevs purposely aren't looking at exposing the 3G anyway on rooted nooks for fear of ticking off B&N |
| [23:51:55] | Beirdo: | my laptop's 11" netbook |
| [23:52:06] | sphery: | I just wish that Android was GNU/Linux that followed some sort of Unix-like design |
| [23:52:11] | Beirdo: | screw B&N :) |
| [23:52:11] | sphery: | and was developed openly |
| [23:52:19] | Beirdo: | they are getting so many sales |
| [23:52:22] | sphery: | (rather than developed behind closed doors then "gifted" to the world) |
| [23:52:35] | Beirdo: | better than the iPhone |
| [23:52:38] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [23:52:43] | skd5aner: | I think actually ticking off AT&T, which would essentially mean free 3G for life |
| [23:52:47] | sphery: | Openmoko is dead. Long live Openmoko... |
| [23:53:01] | sphery: | yeah, it is better than i-won't-let-you-install-that-app-Phone |
| [23:53:58] | kormoc: | the number of useful apps I have on my ipod is really just 3. email, one bus away, and music. The rest of them... meh. |
| [23:54:42] | sphery: | but, wait, I hear that apps are the new way of doing things |
| [23:54:59] | Beirdo: | kormoc: yeah, that's a shame :) |
| [23:55:11] | skd5aner: | MS and Apple are now in a legal battle over the term "app store" |
| [23:55:20] | sphery: | why create an open Internet using standard technologies that can provide access to any information/service when you can create a different app for each page of data on the Internet |
| [23:55:41] | sphery: | and--most importantly--charge for each app that provides the info from one page on the Internet |
| [23:56:03] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, I love that |
| [23:56:31] | sphery: | the same company that called their GUI windowing application, "Windows," and their office-automation application, "Office" |
| [23:56:58] | sphery: | granted, they got slapped down when they tried to assert TM on Windows/Office (which is why they're now "MS Windows" and "MS Office" |
| [23:57:32] | sphery: | so it's basically the 12-yr old kid yelling at the 8-yr old who did the same exact thing the 12-yr-old got in trouble for |
| [23:58:52] | Beirdo: | usually at the 12-year old's suggestion |
| [23:59:29] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [23:59:38] | Beirdo: | do any sound cards have optical INPUT? |
| [23:59:46] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [23:59:47] | Beirdo: | i.e for capture? |
| [23:59:56] | sphery: | or at least the 12-yr old set the example |
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