Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, January 12th, 2011, 00:01 UTC

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nordle:

sphery: Thanks, I thought I remembered setting it as an option in 0.21, but i cant really remember, it was 4 years ago.

[00:02:16]

sphery:

there's a whole new OSD in 0.24+

[00:03:05]

nordle:

And very nice it is too :) shiny.

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sphery:

heh, yeah... Mark K. did a good job on it

[00:03:49]

sphery:

and iamlindoro did a good job on actually theming the OSD for Arclight (not sure about the others--I use Arclight)

[00:04:41]

sphery:

but, basically, the new OSD uses the same library that the UI uses--so OSDs can actually match the non-playback UI

[00:05:21]

nordle:

I use the default in mythbuntu 10.10, its really nice. It's quite dark, but nicely blended and simple, almost worth the upgrade in itself :)

[00:07:08]

nordle:

It's just unfortunate that the kernel implementation of the LIRC iMON PAD driver is worse the the old external module. Don't know how that came about, but its a regression currently imho.

[00:07:32]

nordle:

doh, dont mean regression, i mean backward step.

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sphery:

would that be Terra or Mythbuntu theme?

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nordle:

Mythbuntu

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sphery:

Terra is the official current default for MythTV, but didn't know if Mythbuntu changed the default for you guys

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Beirdo:

ummm, doesn't regression essentially mean a backward step?

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sphery:

I like the traditional meaning of regression

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sphery:

i.e. bug exists, gets fixed, then returns--so the software regressed to a previous state

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nordle:

Beirdo: True, but I thought it meant going back to an issue that was previous. Whereas I meant its a backwards step, its worse, but not to something that had been before.

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sphery:

the new "every bug is a regression" idea is, IMHO, an affront to English :)

[00:09:52]

sphery:

nordle: yeah, that's the traditional meaning

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sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_regression

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sphery:

The term regression was originally used to refer to a change that caused a previously fixed bug to reappear and the software to thus regress to a prior, incorrect state.

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sphery:

However, the term has since evolved to its current, more general meaning of any change that breaks existing functionality[citation needed].

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** sphery agrees with the "[citation needed]" **

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Beirdo:

yeah, people are stupid

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nordle:

It's funny how much tech speak gets incorporated into normal use.... I'm going to try and use regression in some pointless meetings tomorrow and see if it sticks.

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Beirdo:

ummm, regression is normal speak that has been reused by tech people :)

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nordle:

.....oops.

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Beirdo:

to regress is the opposite of to progress

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nordle:

English is not my native language....oh wait, it is. ehh, just very bad at it.

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Beirdo:

and "a step backwards" is almost a dictionary definition for "regression"

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

but anyways, we knew what ya meant

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** Beirdo kicks away the nit-picking soapbox **

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sphery:

heh, yeah, but regression implies going back to a prior state

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sphery:

I don't typically argue over the use of regression to describe a newly-introduced bug

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sphery:

I do grit my teeth, however, when I hear "depreciated" used instead of "deprecated"

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

or "defecated"

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Beirdo:

hehe...

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sphery:

hehe

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** Beirdo goes to hide **

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Shadow__X:

anyone here familiar with mythdroid? I am trying to use the streaming ffmpeg command from it but am unsure what some of the variables stand for

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Beirdo:

man ffmpeg

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Shadow__X:

they are using internal variables though for some parts of it

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: is that when a feature gets shat out of the code?

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Hilikus:

is it possible to control mythmusic through the network? via amarok for example

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

Hilikus: yes, no

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Hilikus:

wagnerrp: through the network is it the same as the rest of mythfrontend or is there something specific for music?

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wagnerrp:

same as the rest of mythfrontend

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Hilikus:

so i can't do somethiong like PLAY SONG X, bur rather navigate to the list and find the song to play it

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wagnerrp:

no, but you can do 'play music play X'

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wagnerrp:

there are a series of 'play music ...' commands

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Hilikus:

i see

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Hilikus:

perfect

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wagnerrp:

!seen paul-h

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MythLogBot:

paul-h was last seen 7 days 2 hours 33 minutes 4 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

[8688]

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MythLogBot:

SVN 8688: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/7f3dcdab

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wagnerrp:

[12907]

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MythLogBot:

SVN 12907: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/d86cf6e0

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wagnerrp:

[22514]

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MythLogBot:

SVN 22514: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/4f40c42f

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Shadow__X:

Beirdo: are you familiar with mythdroid and perl? i am not sure what 3 or so lines mean

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Beirdo:

I don't know mythdroid

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Shadow__X:

perl?

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Beirdo:

yeah, I know perl

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waxhead:

myth on android?

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wagnerrp:

im not sure what perl has to do with mythdroid

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: the backedn is written in perl

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wagnerrp:

the mythdroid backend? because mythbackend is written in c++

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wagnerrp:

and mythdroid is written in java

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Beirdo:

ew

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Beirdo:

:)

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Shadow__X:

waxhead: http://code.google.com/p/mythdroid/

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wagnerrp:

ew?

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waxhead:

Shadow__X, yeah, googled it... there now

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: the client that runs on android is java

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Beirdo:

more likely dalvik or whatever google called their version of java for android

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Shadow__X:

to use it you have to install mdd which is perl

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waxhead:

perl on android?

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Shadow__X:

no perl on the be/fe

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Shadow__X:

mdd needs to run on the be and fe and its written in perl

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Beirdo:

it looks like a big pile of hack to me

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wagnerrp:

not sure what it would do, since mythdroid at least accesses the backend directly

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waxhead:

yeah.. I have a working system.. not so keen to fiddle with it

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elmojo:

hmm – where did mythweb disappear to?

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Beirdo:

disappear?

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elmojo:

I don't know how to check it out

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elmojo:

it's no longer in mythplugins

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Beirdo:

it's a separate repo

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elmojo:

why?

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Beirdo:

because it's not really a plugin

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elmojo:

so

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elmojo:

where'd it go

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elmojo:

it's not listed on trac wiki how to check it out

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Beirdo:

go to the mythtv repo on github... change "mythtv" to "mythweb"

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Beirdo:

i.e. the repo URL is nearly identical, but use mythweb.git rather than mythtv.git

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sphery:

or from https://github.com/organizations/MythTV

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sphery:

also available at https://github.com/MythTV , which is ref'ed from http://code.mythtv.org/

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Beirdo:

got it, or did we just confuse you? :)

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sphery:

heh, if so, sorry--I probably shouldn't have added all the other ways

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elmojo:

I've found git not to be so confusing but the people who try to describe to be confusing... no offense

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Beirdo:

(as a dev, if you wanna commit to it:) git clone git@github.com :MythTV/mythweb.git

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elmojo:

I actually like git now but it's a little late

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Beirdo:

we often confuse the issue :)

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Beirdo:

sorry

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wagnerrp:

!seen skd8ner

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MythLogBot:

skd8ner has not been seen here

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wagnerrp:

!seen skd8aner

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MythLogBot:

skd8aner has not been seen here

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wagnerrp:

curse you and your unpronounceable name being hard to remember

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Shadow__X:

wasnt it like sk8nner or something

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Beirdo:

!seen sk8daner

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MythLogBot:

sk8daner has not been seen here

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** Beirdo gives up **

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Beirdo:

**HEY YOU**

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sphery:

skd5aner

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

we were 3 off

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wagnerrp:

!seen skd5aner

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MythLogBot:

skd5aner was last seen 4 days 5 hours 42 minutes 14 seconds ago

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sphery:

last seen Jan 7 at 2:37:24

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sphery:

EST

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Beirdo:

Extremely Snowy time

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

so it turns out... 49 of 50 states have snow on the ground today

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wagnerrp:

anyway, was just going to tell him i altered the Changeset template to use a 'git describe' line

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Beirdo:

wanna guess which one doesn't?

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wagnerrp:

what doesnt? florida?

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Beirdo:

bingo

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Beirdo:

Hawaii does. in the mountains

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sphery:

ahhh

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sphery:

wondered about that

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wagnerrp:

hawaii always does

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wagnerrp:

at least as long as there is no lava flowing to melt it

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sphery:

makes sense--I just forgot the mountains

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Beirdo:

Florida doesn't as it's a swampy ...

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Beirdo:

hehe :)

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Beirdo:

saw that stat on the elevator today at lunch

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wagnerrp:

a swampy?

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Beirdo:

I can see snow from here, but it's not in Seattle...

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean you 'saw that stat on the elevator'

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wagnerrp:

your elevators have screens to display trivia to distract you to how slow they are?

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Beirdo:

the elevator has a screen where they show "news", etc

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Beirdo:

yep

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wagnerrp:

funky

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Beirdo:

I was thinking of Homer's description of Florida.

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russell5:

i dont have to work tomorrow because i a snow storm we gonna get :)

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Beirdo:

"but Florida is America's wang!"

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russell5:

lol

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redwizard-kde:

is there a way to manually tune into specific channels(uk dvb). i'm having trouble with the channel scan picking up more than 7–8 channels on 1 transmitter :S

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sphery:

for digital you have to do a scan

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redwizard-kde:

that sucks

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sphery:

or at least have to have all the information a scan would provide

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redwizard-kde:

i have it plugged into the wall

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redwizard-kde:

i did pick up a little aerial but then i remembered i have a booster down stairs plugged into a main aerial wall outlet

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redwizard-kde:

so far no luck other than ITV :)

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sphery:

make sure you're using current 0.23-fixes or current 0.24-fixes

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sphery:

there were some fixes--specifically for UK

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sphery:

0.24-fixes would be best

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redwizard-kde:

hmm that might not be on repository yet i imagine

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sphery:

which distro?

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redwizard-kde:

kubuntu

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sphery:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds should have it, but if you're on 0.23, try just updating to 0.23-fixes

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sphery:

especially if you're on 10.04 versus 10.10

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redwizard-kde:

checking now

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redwizard-kde:

...

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redwizard-kde:

that cant be right

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redwizard-kde:

oh wait

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redwizard-kde:

ubuntu is on 10.x isnt it

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sphery:

yeah, for 2010 :)

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sphery:

10.04 is the April release and 10.10 the October release

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redwizard-kde:

i'm guessing i'm on 0.23 based on what adept is saying

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redwizard-kde:

but i thought kubuntu was on 9.x

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sphery:

yeah, mythbuntu 10.10 had 0.23-fixes since 0.24 wasn't released when 10.10 was released

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sphery:

(mythbuntu and *buntu, that is)... 10.04 has a pre-0.23 version with tons of bugs, so if you have that you /need/ to upgrade to current 0.23-fixes

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sphery:

going to current auto-builds-provided 0.23-fixes is probably good enough, if you're not ready to upgrade to 0.24-fixes

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** redwizard-kde waits patiently for downloads **

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redwizard-kde:

ok well it SEEMS to have updated it

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redwizard-kde:

i just need to download that deb file and install it right?

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redwizard-kde:

0.23.0+fixes24158

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sphery:

I'll leave the *buntu-specific stuff to someone else...

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sphery:

I thought that web page enabled a repo or something, but I don't have a clue-buntu about their packaging stuff

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redwizard-kde:

heh

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redwizard-kde:

i'm still learning myself

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redwizard-kde:

i'll have another look in package manager

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tgm4883:

redwizard-kde, you install that package and it should prompt you for what version you want to stay up to date on (ie. 0.23.1)

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tgm4883:

then you need to do updates as usual

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sphery:

thanks, tgm4883

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redwizard-kde:

hmm didnt get the prompt

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sphery:

and 0.23.1's fixes would be perfect

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tgm4883:

yw

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redwizard-kde:

one moment :)

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** redwizard-kde has a poke around **

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sphery:

are you 10.10 or 10.04?

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tgm4883:

and (k)(x)(m)ubuntu all are on the same version (ie. 10.10)

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redwizard-kde:

i'm not even sure where i'd look

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tgm4883:

lsb_release -a

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redwizard-kde:

eww

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redwizard-kde:

10.04

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tgm4883:

I could tell you graphically in gnome, but not kde

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tgm4883:

10.04 is good

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sphery:

ah, yeah, so you really want the updates

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sphery:

(for MythTV, that is)

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tgm4883:

redwizard-kde, do a 'dpkg-reconfigure mythbuntu-repos'

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sphery:

10.04 is good *buntu, just needs MythTV -fixes

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tgm4883:

odd that you weren't prompted, I wonder if thats a kde issue

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redwizard-kde:

hmm

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redwizard-kde:

possibly

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redwizard-kde:

also possible because i didnt run it on command line

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redwizard-kde:

0.23

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redwizard-kde:

0.23.1

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redwizard-kde:

0.24

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tgm4883:

0.23.1, unless you want to get to 0.24

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redwizard-kde:

recommendations and selections?

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redwizard-kde:

is 0.24 buggy? :P

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tgm4883:

shouldn't matter if it was run from the command line, as debconf is graphical

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tgm4883:

0.24 is released

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redwizard-kde:

i'll give 0.24 a go then

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redwizard-kde:

upgrading

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redwizard-kde:

:D

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redwizard-kde:

i LOVE how powerful linux is

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sphery:

redwizard-kde: yeah, 0.24 is a great choice unless you're running another different distro for which 0.24 packages aren't available or you're still working up the courage to upgrade :)

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sphery:

(i.e. for some users with many different hosts running mythtv)

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redwizard-kde:

heh (un)fortunately i'm head of technical support in this house :P

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redwizard-kde:

i think next job will be to put this onto its own box down stairs and then connect to it across the network on all machines that need it

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redwizard-kde:

will mythtv let you multiplex a dvd or blueray player?

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wagnerrp:

not at current

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wagnerrp:

however you can store disks to the hard drive, and play the images over the network

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redwizard-kde:

hmm

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redwizard-kde:

not at the moment i cant :P

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wagnerrp:

DVDs can handle ISOs and VIDEO_TS folders

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wagnerrp:

bluray can handle BDMV folders

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wagnerrp:

except for the case of a storage server like the sony firewire dvd carousel, theres no much point to serving up physical disk drives over the network

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redwizard-kde:

i supose it gets a bit murky if your able to watch a blue ray on every tv in the house at the same time

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wagnerrp:

it works just fine if you store it to a hard drive

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redwizard-kde:

yeah but again, that could be considered a bit "murky" :)

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wagnerrp:

murky?

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sphery:

I'm watching Space Cowboys, and the first commercial in the show is for Space Cowboys, "Tomorrow, only on ION"

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redwizard-kde:

well if you can watch a blueray on the player then you can watch your cable/satallite

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wagnerrp:

i dont follow

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redwizard-kde:

which means satallite TV on 2+ TV's at same time

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wagnerrp:

each livetv instance requires a dedicated tuner

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redwizard-kde:

if i have a card in this machine that can capture from HDMI then i can watch sky on every PC in the house at the same time

[02:02:07]

redwizard-kde:

oh

[02:02:08]

wagnerrp:

however you can record a show off satellite, and have multiple frontends playing the same show from the recording

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sphery:

I think he's talking about Terms of Service agreements

[02:02:17]

redwizard-kde:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

and there is no manner to capture from HDMI

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redwizard-kde:

indeed

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redwizard-kde:

wagnerrp: yet :P

[02:02:30]

wagnerrp:

ever

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redwizard-kde:

is there a reason for that?

[02:02:54]

wagnerrp:

HDCP

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wagnerrp:

any media player outputting HDMI will do so encrypted with HDCP

[02:03:25]

wagnerrp:

HDMI licensing requires that you abide by all the security restrictions that come with HDCP

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wagnerrp:

meaning... no capture and output to an insecure source

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redwizard-kde:

so you cant use say... http://www.sirentechnology.co.uk/product_info . . . ducts_id=550 <--that

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wagnerrp:

no hardware manufacturer will violate that, as it would result in revocation of their license and ability to sell hardware

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wagnerrp:

no, that can only record unencrypted HDMI video

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sphery:

and uncompressed, too, right?

[02:04:50]

wagnerrp:

all HDMI is uncompressed

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sphery:

I mean its output is uncompressed, right?

[02:05:00]

wagnerrp:

its designed to be used with professional video gear

[02:05:03]

sphery:

or YUV or something

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redwizard-kde:

ah

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wagnerrp:

yes, at most it might have mjpeg

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sphery:

not MPEG*

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sphery:

# True uncompressed YUV video caputre and playback for high end production quality

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sphery:

Compressed video capture and playback on supported platforms. Edit in DV, DV50, JPEG, HDV and DVCPRO-100 HD files on Mac OS X. Edit in DV and Blackmagic's Online JPEG in Adobe Premiere Pro#

[02:06:15]

sphery:

oooh, JPEG files :)

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sphery:

not even MJPEG, it seems

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wagnerrp:

aww... weather tickers

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wagnerrp:

i dont care that 'grace church of the valley' doesnt have evening services

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wagnerrp:

seriously, they have a subchannel dedicated to WEATHER

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wagnerrp:

if you want to see information about WEATHER

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wagnerrp:

and closings due to bad WEATHER

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wagnerrp:

freaking watch the weather channel

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wagnerrp:

i want to know why they didnt think of this 15 years ago

[02:08:30]

wagnerrp:

and implement secondary stream support into ATSC

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wagnerrp:

so you could have an optional overlay for that sort of information

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sphery:

heh, yeah, really

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wagnerrp:

news channels could have their tickers in a overlay

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wagnerrp:

sports channels could display other game scores in an optional overlay

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wagnerrp:

weather information could be in an optional overlay

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redwizard-kde:

heh

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sphery:

here, though, they love to just preempt the program for the weather stuff

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redwizard-kde:

i may be forced to restart in a sec

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sphery:

even with the weather subchannel

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redwizard-kde:

hope not

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wagnerrp:

have something in the protocol that for emergency information, you can force it to be visible

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redwizard-kde:

my keyboard + mouse are being a pain

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sphery:

as in, "I wonder weather this show will actually air."

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sphery:

you know that they'd abuse the emergency flag, though

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sphery:

unless it was regulated, like the EBS

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wagnerrp:

thats what i mean

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wagnerrp:

breakins for the EBS

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sphery:

ah, then I'll support that plan

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redwizard-kde:

hmm apparently its possible to use a kathrein ufs910hd reciever, diablo cam(with sky card) and external hd to record

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redwizard-kde:

seems a bit of a long way round

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wagnerrp:

no, its not

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wagnerrp:

there is no way to directly record sky

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wagnerrp:

you must use a sky box and an analog video capture device

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/UK_Television , and not the part about how you can't do sky dvb-s

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sphery:

er, note the part

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redwizard-kde:

heh

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redwizard-kde:

ok ok :D

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sphery:

different meaning there--bad typo

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redwizard-kde:

hmm

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redwizard-kde:

what if i unplugged the cable from my aerial booster and plugged it into the back of the sky box. i could watch standard definition TV up here right?

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sphery:

don't know whether HD-PVR would be a violation of ToS, though

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR

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wagnerrp:

you may have to get an hdfury

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wagnerrp:

i dont think they have any restrictions preventing SOC

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sphery:

seem the UK_Television page hasn't been updated in a while, "HD capture is not currently possible so recording of HD sources from Satellite is currently limited to FreeSat."

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sphery:

unless that was referring to HDMI being the only output from Sky boxes

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redwizard-kde:

heh

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redwizard-kde:

fun times

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redwizard-kde:

brb

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JEDIDIAH__:

does anyone run frontends over wireless?

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highzeth:

yes, and Im not alone Im sure

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russell5:

i do

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russell5:

but just because i need to order more cable and make a cable for it

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russell5:

just lazy and cheap because its working

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highzeth:

laptop/netbooks usage here

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JEDIDIAH__:

trying it for the first time... it's... interesting.

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redwizard_kde:

mwahahahaha

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redwizard_kde:

is there a way to run mythtv windowed?

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russell5:

it works for me playing sd content but its to slow for anything else

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russell5:

like edit recordings and such

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JEDIDIAH__:

yes. wifi doesn't seem to be up to MPEG2 HD.

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JEDIDIAH__:

...at least not mine.

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redwizard_kde:

nevermind

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highzeth:

playback & editing of SD recordings are a-ok here, granted we got many wlan AP's so coverage is never bad

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russell5:

yeah i mean wifi n would be better but the old laptop i was using it g

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redwizard_kde:

time to see if i can make mythtv see the sky box plugged into dvb usb thing i have

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JEDIDIAH__:

I'm messing with one of those Giada boxes LJ recently reviewed.

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redwizard_kde:

i dont supose anyone knows what "channel" sky RF output is on?

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redwizard_kde:

meh

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redwizard_kde:

this is fun

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redwizard_kde:

i'm getting 48% signal but its not locking

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wagnerrp:

sounds about right

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redwizard_kde:

tried both RF outputs as well

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wagnerrp:

outputs?

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wagnerrp:

as in outputs from a STB?

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redwizard_kde:

sky RF output to dvb card input

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wagnerrp:

erm... doesnt work that way

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redwizard_kde:

...

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wagnerrp:

there has only been one digital RF modulator i have ever heard of

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wagnerrp:

and that only existed on old direct-tv units a decade ago

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redwizard_kde:

ok...

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wagnerrp:

youre sky box almost certainly outputs analog

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redwizard_kde:

so how can i has tv plz :)

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wagnerrp:

which means you need to capture it over analog

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redwizard_kde:

oh bugger

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wagnerrp:

and analog RF is the last resort choice

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wagnerrp:

baseband is preferred

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redwizard_kde:

yes

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wagnerrp:

component, then svideo, then composite, then rf

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redwizard_kde:

i have an OLD 3DFX 3500 somewhere

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redwizard_kde:

but that wont even plug into this PC

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wagnerrp:

not sure what good it would do anyway

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JEDIDIAH__:

what desktop environment do you use on your wifi frontend boxes?

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redwizard_kde:

think what i need is a new capture card

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redwizard_kde:

lol

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redwizard_kde:

and/or a tv sending doohickey

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redwizard_kde:

just a shame this usb thing only does freeview

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redwizard_kde:

and does it badly by all accounts

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wagnerrp:

its a shame sky doesnt allow tuner cards

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redwizard_kde:

indeed

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redwizard_kde:

i'd buy one and get multiroom

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redwizard_kde:

far too easy to record though

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redwizard_kde:

lol

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redwizard_kde:

this will confuse you though

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redwizard_kde:

you can tell your sky box what channel to output to

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wagnerrp:

its a bit late for someone to be getting a sky box working isnt it?

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redwizard_kde:

never! :)

[03:08:22]

redwizard_kde:

hmm according to everything i've read, sky outputs whatever is on at the moment to whatever you've set the RF channel to

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redwizard_kde:

in my case 21 because i cant be arsed to wait until it gets to 68(default)

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redwizard_kde:

oh wait i see

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redwizard_kde:

hmm

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redwizard_kde:

this is all very confusing

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redwizard_kde:

looks like i'm buying an AV sender

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wagnerrp:

what for?

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redwizard_kde:

to watch tv from down stairs

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redwizard_kde:

i cant get a tv signal

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wagnerrp:

what exactly are you trying to do?

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wagnerrp:

im almost certain youre doing something wrong

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redwizard_kde:

just get some TV channels on mythtv

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wagnerrp:

broadcast or sky?

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redwizard_kde:

i've tried both

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redwizard_kde:

broadcast freeview only picks up about 8 stations on 1 channel

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redwizard_kde:

all itv type channels

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redwizard_kde:

the rest it cant see

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wagnerrp:

is it possible youre using a directional antenna, and the transmission towers are in different directions?

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redwizard_kde:

possible but i have no means of fixing this as i rent

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wagnerrp:

so you just have an antenna drop in your wall?

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redwizard_kde:

i've also tried a freeview digital aerial

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redwizard_kde:

little portable thing

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redwizard_kde:

well not little but yeah

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redwizard_kde:

yeah i've tried the wall input

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redwizard_kde:

i've tried the wall input with signal booster

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redwizard_kde:

i've tried the stand alone aerial

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redwizard_kde:

i've tried the stand alone aerial with signal booster

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wagnerrp:

the wall input is actually an antenna drop? not a cable line?

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redwizard_kde:

i've updated mythtv

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redwizard_kde:

yup

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redwizard_kde:

antenna drop = wire between antenna and socket right?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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redwizard_kde:

then yes

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redwizard_kde:

either the signals rubbish

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redwizard_kde:

(my original freeview TV had trouble finding all the channels even with a booster)

[03:17:13]

redwizard_kde:

or this cable i have running between the booster and the pc is way too long for this nonsense

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redwizard_kde:

5 or 7 meters is probably not ideal

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt make that much of a difference

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redwizard_kde:

its a new cable

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redwizard_kde:

so unlikely to be cable

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wagnerrp:

and considering the drop from the roof aerial is probably much longer

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redwizard_kde:

its a shame theres no way to hack my dvb-t usb nova to decode analog :)

[03:18:58]

redwizard_kde:

i'd at least be able to watch sky then

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redwizard_kde:

even if its the worst option

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redwizard_kde:

my next plan is to get another method of capture i guess

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redwizard_kde:

i.e. as i said, av sender between sky box and up here

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redwizard_kde:

and then use a different capture card

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wagnerrp:

'av senders' are a bad option for almost any scenario

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wagnerrp:

you cant put the sky box with your backend?

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wagnerrp:

or the backend with the sky box?

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redwizard_kde:

backend?

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redwizard_kde:

you mean this machine?

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wagnerrp:

the machine that does the recording

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wagnerrp:

backend and frontend

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redwizard_kde:

not at present

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wagnerrp:

can be on different machines, can have multiple of each

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redwizard_kde:

i need to source a new machine for dedicated

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redwizard_kde:

effectively a netbook with huge storage ideally

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redwizard_kde:

preferably dual core netbook though

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redwizard_kde:

with the HD acceleration

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wagnerrp:

yeah, those are conflicting requirements

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redwizard_kde:

not at all

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wagnerrp:

netbooks dont have lots of storage

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redwizard_kde:

external usb drives are fast

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wagnerrp:

or lots of power (even if dual core)

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wagnerrp:

and HD acceleration is irrelevant for a backend

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JEDIDIAH__:

OTOH, you can play with definitions and end up with a much more interesting box at about the same size and price.

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redwizard_kde:

i am considering upgrading this machine to have a 1tb drive but its my main quad core machine i use all the time

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JEDIDIAH__:

marketing...

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redwizard_kde:

so cant be in front room

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redwizard_kde:

JEDIDIAH__: ideally i want something relatively small

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redwizard_kde:

but not atm

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redwizard_kde:

first i want to get tv working

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wagnerrp:

so get a mini-itx desktop

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wagnerrp:

or even a microatx one

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redwizard_kde:

thats what i'll probably end up doing

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wagnerrp:

this would be a dedicated backend, right?

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redwizard_kde:

at the moment i've got it all set up on my main machine

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redwizard_kde:

but yes eventually i'll set up a dedicated backend next to or on top of the sky box

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redwizard_kde:

and then pipe that thru the house

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redwizard_kde:

that reminds me

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redwizard_kde:

i need to install the module that allows you to watch your movies on mythtv

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JEDIDIAH__:

There are machines that will fit into an open AV cabinet that aren't as tiny as a nettop or mini. You don't have to go crazy with the size.

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redwizard_kde:

turns out i'm an idiot

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wagnerrp:

going to leave us in suspense?

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redwizard_kde:

yes

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redwizard_kde:

:P

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redwizard_kde:

at least until i've checked something down stairs :D

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redwizard_kde:

there was another update

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redwizard_kde:

and theres 28 extra channels

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redwizard_kde:

and 31 more as well

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redwizard_kde:

bloody bout time

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redwizard_kde:

lots of encrypted as well

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redwizard_kde:

now i just need to find out where to add a removeable HDD for recording onto and i'm set

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redwizard_kde:

thanks everyone

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redwizard_kde:

wagnerrp: your a star :D

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wagnerrp:

not sure what i did

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Beirdo:

you showed up? ;)

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wagnerrp:

huzzah!

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** Beirdo waits for the headache to subside a bit **

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Beirdo:

2011-Jan-10 19:09:29.592491 MySQL session idle for 69906s, pinging

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Beirdo:

2011-Jan-10 19:09:29.592524 MySQL session disconnected, reconnecting.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I love that that code works properly for me

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nutron:

So, when say 4 recordings start at 18:00 hours, does the backend try all of them at once? Or is it a sequential channel change request? I think maybe my file locking routine in the bash script may be the culprit when changing channels if that's the case.

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** JEDIDIAH__ whacks Beirdo with the cricket bat... better? **

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kormoc:

nutron, depends?

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Beirdo:

JEDIDIAH__: I said headache... I didn't turn into a zombie!

[03:58:10]

JEDIDIAH__:

being a zombie makes certain things a lot easier...

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JEDIDIAH__:

working in a fortune 500 company for one.

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Beirdo:

nah, the PAY makes that easier

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nutron:

kormoc: hmm, on?

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JEDIDIAH__:

somewhat. not as much as one might think.

[03:59:58]

kormoc:

nutron, are they all part of the same tuner (multirec)?

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** Beirdo idly wonders if mythweb would like running under nginx **

[04:00:32]

** kormoc eyes Beirdo **

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wagnerrp:

couldnt have at least chosen another indian tribe?

[04:01:13]

JEDIDIAH__:

Comanche

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Beirdo:

kormoc: I said wonder :)

[04:01:19]

Beirdo:

hehe

[04:01:20]

JEDIDIAH__:

like the apache but more bad ass

[04:01:37]

Beirdo:

I bet I could make it work with enough determination, but not sure I care to

[04:01:54]

nutron:

kormoc: no, pvr 500 and two pvr 150's. Seperate digi cable boxes.

[04:02:06]

wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: yes, but ultimately canceled due to budget cuts

[04:04:43]

kormoc:

Beirdo, do you know offhand if channel changes are blocking?

[04:05:00]

kormoc:

nutron, I believe they'll run at the same time, but Mr. Beirdo should know better

[04:05:11]

Beirdo:

they are, yes

[04:05:15]

Beirdo:

AFAIK

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Beirdo:

now it could be possible that several could happen in parallel in their own threads, but I don't know that the code's setup for that

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nutron:

Hmm, trying to explain why ... I have 2 min delays in the worst cases to start recordings. If they're blocking, then the locks wouldn't be an issue. If they're not, then .. they would be.

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Beirdo:

but when a thread calls out to the script, it's blocked until the script returns, AFAIK

[04:06:58]

nutron:

Beirdo: know which magical source file I should look at?

[04:06:59]

nutron:

Ahh.

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kormoc:

Beirdo, each tuner is it's own thread, no?

[04:07:13]

Beirdo:

umm, I forget :)

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nutron:

Yep, so... looks like maybe my locking magic is not so magical. Think I'll have to identify the PID when creating the locks.

[04:07:52]

Beirdo:

kormoc: I would think it should, but not sure if there's a single schedule thread that serializes it externally anyways

[04:07:56]

nutron:

All four would just loop until one or the other started giving up.

[04:08:05]

nutron:

Then I assume myth would re-try the channel change?

[04:08:22]

Beirdo:

retry? um no

[04:08:26]

Beirdo:

it tries once

[04:08:33]

nutron:

Right I remember.

[04:08:43]

nutron:

I remember them failing because I'd exit with 1 heh

[04:08:48]

Beirdo:

hehe

[04:08:58]

Beirdo:

yah, exit 0 on success

[04:09:01]

nutron:

Aye.

[04:09:21]

nutron:

My stb control script is 12Kb... pretty rough.

[04:09:45]

nutron:

Hmm, any other ideas why some recordings would start 2 mins in?

[04:10:21]

Beirdo:

without seeing logs, really hard to say

[04:10:25]

nutron:

If it doesn't retry, (which is right), then I can't explain why it'd trigger the recording to start 2 mins late. I've gone through the settings a few times.

[04:10:40]

Beirdo:

your system clock ntp synced?

[04:10:43]

nutron:

Beirdo: that's the thing, I can't find anything at all untoward in there.

[04:10:50]

nutron:

Yep, checked it against time.gov

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Beirdo:

dunno man

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nutron:

Oh this brings me to another question so I can actually use my logs...

[04:11:34]

kormoc:

you can't trust the government time servers! They'll lie to you to keep you from knowing about Them!

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nutron:

why do I get a bahjillion first frame is no keyframe warnings?

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** nutron polishes kormoc's tin hat **

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Beirdo:

heh.

[04:12:06]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: is Them They that Live?

[04:12:15]

JEDIDIAH__:

as long as the government is conspiring with the TV networks, it's all good.

[04:12:19]

Beirdo:

because our seektable generation live ain't perfect still

[04:12:34]

nutron:

Beirdo: was that to me?

[04:12:38]

Beirdo:

yes

[04:12:42]

nutron:

and if so, what do you mean? =D

[04:12:48]

Beirdo:

I assume taht's in a commflag run?

[04:12:56]

nutron:

Beirdo: yeah it looks like it

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Beirdo:

in particular in the logo search?

[04:13:33]

Beirdo:

yeah, we seek in the file by chunks, but the seektables we make during MPEG2-PS recordings isn't quite right

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nutron:

Can't tell really, just have a million of those warnings. It happens when commflag runs, but no idea on logo search

[04:13:46]

Beirdo:

in spite of a LOT of effort to try to fix it

[04:14:04]

Beirdo:

MPEG2-TS should be fine

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nutron:

ah, hmm pvr 150's and 500's should work ok on the ts container right?

[04:14:18]

Beirdo:

but -PS (like from PVR-150, etc)

[04:14:27]

Beirdo:

there's an option for that

[04:14:39]

Beirdo:

dunno how well it works, might be worth a try

[04:14:40]

wagnerrp:

woah, what was that

[04:14:49]

nutron:

Yeah, I set my recording profile to use ts, don't know if it's right or if it's doing _anything_ differently.

[04:14:51]

wagnerrp:

encoder on my local CBS affiliate just barfed

[04:15:08]

wagnerrp:

i swear, their engineers and equipment are pathetic

[04:15:14]

Beirdo:

basically, we end up being about 1 frame earlier than we think we are (on -PS)

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nutron:

Beirdo: but I did that because you were saying that the previewgen was busted with -ps

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Beirdo:

-ts should work fine AFAIK

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nutron:

Hmm, though again, that brings me to ask, if TS works fine and I have it set to that, then I shouldn't get the first frame is no keyframe warnings?

[04:16:20]

** nutron doesn't pay Beirdo enough to entertain him **

[04:16:29]

Beirdo:

heh

[04:16:43]

Beirdo:

well, ivtv may be ignoring your asking it to do -TS

[04:16:45]

kormoc:

nutron, he accepts payment in the form of amazon.com gift cards

[04:17:00]

Beirdo:

ffmpeg -i one of the recordings

[04:17:01]

nutron:

:o amazon? how... sell-out-ish

[04:17:05]

Beirdo:

it should tell you

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kormoc:

sell-out-ish?

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nutron:

heh yep that's what I typed.

[04:17:34]

Beirdo:

hehe, I am a bit of an Amazon whore

[04:17:48]

kormoc:

meh

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nutron:

Beirdo: ok I will do that. Can I force ivtv to stop ignoring my pleas?

[04:17:58]

Beirdo:

heh

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kormoc:

when you can get a 200 lbs treadmill delievered next day air for free...

[04:18:12]

Beirdo:

check one of the recording files, see what ffmpeg thinks it is

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nutron:

ok I'd have to call my wife to walk her through it, but I will :P

[04:18:32]

Beirdo:

kormoc: or for $5.99 same day

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Beirdo:

hehe

[04:18:57]

nutron:

200lb treadmill .. heh, I have a whole gym at home... it's used to hang laundry

[04:19:18]

Beirdo:

I should get a stationary bike and put it near the TV

[04:19:20]

Beirdo:

heh

[04:19:22]

nutron:

well not whole gym, but enough to piss me off

[04:19:34]

kormoc:

you should sell it... on amazon.com

[04:19:47]

Beirdo:

it has to have a place to put my laptop though

[04:19:49]

nutron:

I went through all th etrouble to setup a frontend in front of the elliptical... has it been used more than once?... nope

[04:20:02]

nutron:

ebay is classier

[04:20:06]

Beirdo:

so get off the couch.

[04:20:19]

kormoc:

ebay is classier like trailer parks are a good place to live

[04:20:25]

nutron:

as much as I hump the mythtv.. I never watch tv

[04:20:28]

Beirdo:

hehe

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nutron:

lol!!!

[04:20:37]

Beirdo:

they are if yo uar e toothless ho

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nutron:

aye, actually the trailer park my mother bought her retirement pad in is pretty classy, though .. it's a total exception

[04:21:10]

Beirdo:

hey, WA FOP... not interested, stop calling me

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nutron:

WA FOP?

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Beirdo:

yup

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nutron:

whassat?

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Beirdo:

I'm expecting it's Washington Fraternity of Police or the like

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Beirdo:

they like to robodial me

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Beirdo:

even though I'm on the no-call list

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nutron:

bell canada just got fined a few million for ignoring the do not call list

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Beirdo:

what the...

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nutron:

hmm looks like the wife can't "root" the backend for another 10 mins...

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** JEDIDIAH__ is working on a frontend for in front of the elliptical presently. **

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Beirdo:

I had a 0-byte recording

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nutron:

I love telling her what to type over the phone

[04:24:10]

Beirdo:

and the stupid mythcommflag was stuck on it

[04:24:30]

nutron:

JEDIDIAH__: don't waste your time... build an arcade box

[04:24:43]

nutron:

everyone'll get fatter, but at least it'll get used

[04:24:44]

JEDIDIAH__:

...has to be in the one place I would never have thought to put a network drop

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JEDIDIAH__:

we've already worn out one elliptical.

[04:25:04]

nutron:

JEDIDIAH__: I found that powerline net works pretty stellar

[04:25:28]

Beirdo:

and... thread pool e exhausted.

[04:25:34]

nutron:

JEDIDIAH__: ahh, so a for real kinda family, not a pretentious "we need it because we need to be cool" kinda family like mine

[04:26:13]

nutron:

Beirdo: wagnerrp told me about that. I'm scared that's gonna start happening to me

[04:26:19]

nutron:

the threadpool fun

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Beirdo:

of course, I insist on doing UPnP playback :)

[04:27:08]

JEDIDIAH__:

got any recommendations regarding the net power stuff?

[04:27:19]

Beirdo:

run away.

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nutron:

So... after making the mail server all nazi and following best practices. I'm attempting to fix the internet one bad mail server at a time. After talking to 8 different IT guys on the phone, they all asked to "just be whitelisted"... eff.

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Beirdo:

run far away

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nutron:

Beirdo: really? Mine work excellent

[04:27:44]

nutron:

I'm using the DHP-307 kits

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JEDIDIAH__:

can't see it being any worse than the wifi

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Beirdo:

I'm sure your neighbors like using your net too

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nutron:

Beirdo: Uses AES256

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Beirdo:

putting data on the power lines is wrong in just so many ways

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Beirdo:

including... every power supply now needs to filter it out

[04:28:46]

Beirdo:

so much for clean power

[04:28:59]

Beirdo:

God help your UPS

[04:29:01]

JEDIDIAH__:

yeah... like we had clean power to begin with...

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Beirdo:

we do, compared to after

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nutron:

Beirdo: I remember reading that it doesn't affect the cleanliness of the power.

[04:29:30]

JEDIDIAH__:

the quality of my power is why I've got entirely too many UPSes

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wagnerrp:

im watching NCIS:LA...

[04:29:46]

Beirdo:

intentionally putting high-frequency noise onto your power lines is crazy ;)

[04:29:50]

wagnerrp:

theyve got... a trichordor!

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nutron:

Holy ... gassy

[04:30:09]

** nutron opens a window **

[04:30:14]

Beirdo:

hehe

[04:30:35]

Beirdo:

no more Taco Bell for you

[04:31:05]

nutron:

Well I can't pretend to understand how it works exactly but it works great for me. Hence why I recommend it, it's definitely better'n wifi

[04:31:11]

nutron:

And I can stream HD

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Beirdo:

I have 60 frigging threads. This is so borked

[04:31:55]

nutron:

:o

[04:32:02]

Beirdo:

buy Cat5 :)

[04:32:24]

nutron:

I'm not particularly good at fixing drywall.

[04:32:29]

nutron:

:)

[04:32:41]

Beirdo:

fixing?

[04:32:44]

Beirdo:

huh?

[04:33:55]

nutron:

Well cat5 can't well just run all over the place can it?

[04:34:06]

nutron:

Must hide in walls for the "professional" feel

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Beirdo:

and why the heck not?

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kormoc:

runs along the floor boards here just fine

[04:35:04]

Beirdo:

that's what I've always done

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wagnerrp:

my last apartment, we had 12' ceilings

[04:35:25]

nutron:

Well, yeah, me too. Three floors makes it much more difficult to run it up and down stairs

[04:35:33]

JEDIDIAH__:

unfortunately, there usually isn't a pathway between 2 points via the floorboards.

[04:35:39]

wagnerrp:

box of white cat6, and a bunch of white nails, bent to an L shape

[04:35:46]

wagnerrp:

out of site, makeshift raceway

[04:35:54]

nutron:

heh

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kormoc:

JEDIDIAH__, touch a wall, go left or right, never let go. You'll get there eventually

[04:36:06]

Beirdo:

heheheeh

[04:36:08]

nutron:

how about up?

[04:36:24]

Beirdo:

how do you get up there?

[04:36:51]

nutron:

my server "closet" is bottom floor, and I have two other unfortunate floors above it with tv's 'n computers 'n such

[04:36:52]

kormoc:

stairs, what not

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Beirdo:

hehe

[04:37:17]

Beirdo:

one cat5 nicely stapled would work fine, I'd think

[04:37:31]

Beirdo:

but I dunno, I'm not there

[04:37:47]

kormoc:

unless you have parrots, then never count on unchewed wires

[04:37:56]

nutron:

Yeah, in the end I only plan on using one powerline ethernet adapter since I believe it'll be impossible to run wires to the location... unless I hire a midget with a penchant for sledgehammers and a love for wolf spiders...

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Beirdo:

hehehe

[04:38:10]

Beirdo:

the birdies like cat5? :)

[04:38:23]

kormoc:

the birds love the taste of copper, aye

[04:38:30]

nutron:

really? crazy

[04:38:36]

Beirdo:

silly birds :)

[04:38:39]

JEDIDIAH__:

dogs like anti-freeze

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nutron:

True enough

[04:39:35]

wagnerrp:

nutron: i think youve got a good idea for a business there

[04:39:53]

wagnerrp:

everyone likes midget electricians

[04:39:58]

nutron:

LOL!

[04:40:54]

Beirdo:

If dblain hasn't got us something for this thread issue, I think I'll have no choice but to hack on it while we wait

[04:41:05]

nutron:

Yeah, one fireplace has a firewall in the attic... it's quite odd. Looks like the guys got it wrong. Realized it, then said "screw it, leave it there and we'll build the other one 4 feet away from it"...

[04:41:19]

Beirdo:

I'm starting to get terminally pissed at it right now ;)

[04:41:46]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: what are you doing that youre suffering from the threadpool issues?

[04:41:56]

Beirdo:

using upnp

[04:41:57]

nutron:

bbiab

[04:42:02]

Beirdo:

plus mythweb

[04:42:03]

wagnerrp:

ah

[04:42:18]

Beirdo:

plus a frontend... numerous commflag, etc

[04:42:24]

Beirdo:

all of which use that connection

[04:42:33]

wagnerrp:

yeah... i dont understand that

[04:42:39]

wagnerrp:

what are they using the web server for

[04:42:46]

wagnerrp:

or does other stuff get put into that pool

[04:42:47]

Beirdo:

and soon... the setup will too

[04:42:56]

wagnerrp:

and the pool is named incorrectly

[04:43:00]

Beirdo:

they do various requests

[04:43:07]

wagnerrp:

seriously, something funky is going on there

[04:43:16]

Beirdo:

the first thing I will do is put logging in there

[04:43:18]

wagnerrp:

because my use of mythfs fills up the pool

[04:43:40]

Beirdo:

log when the request comes in, log when the thread releases, etc

[04:43:40]

wagnerrp:

and i GUARANTEE none of that code is directly accessing anything http related

[04:44:39]

Beirdo:

just getting a bit tired of waiting for the new code and limping along

[04:44:57]

Beirdo:

I'm sure that once it's ready, it will be really nice

[04:45:08]

Beirdo:

but right now... stop running out! :)

[04:45:43]

russell5:

stupid school closing ticker

[04:46:00]

russell5:

now i am going to have to re record

[04:46:28]

[R]:

lol

[04:47:53]

russell5:

i cant complain to much i dont have to work tomorrow because of the snow

[04:48:11]

[R]:

lame

[04:48:18]

[R]:

i wish i dindt have to go to work because of snow

[04:48:22]

nutron:

meh you must not be in IT then.. they get me wherever I am... even in Hawaii

[04:48:29]

russell5:

lol well its one perk form working at a college

[04:48:44]

russell5:

lol i am in it network admin

[04:49:25]

Beirdo:

STUPID BACKEND

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nutron:

ahh.. the company I work at only shuts down Dec 25...

[04:49:48]

** nutron waves at Beirdo **

[04:49:51]

nutron:

"I hear ya"

[04:49:55]

russell5:

lol i get more time off that i know what to do with

[04:50:08]

Beirdo:

OK that's it.

[04:50:11]

nutron:

:(

[04:50:12]

Beirdo:

screw this

[04:50:19]

Beirdo:

time to put in some logging

[04:50:22]

** nutron watches Beirdo lose it **

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Beirdo:

heh

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nutron:

ok bbiab again, gotta go deal with a routing.. "issue"

[04:51:03]

nutron:

Translated: "The cat6 needs to be wiggled again"

[04:51:14]

russell5:

lol

[04:51:26]

Beirdo:

translated "the boss' porn is too slow"

[04:51:43]

russell5:

lmao

[04:51:44]

nutron:

Hah funny story

[04:51:45]

nutron:

...

[04:52:21]

nutron:

Squid logs absolutely everything... all the employees were warned... I had to lookup something benign through the logs a few weeks back... guess where all the porn was being consumed?

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nutron:

By the managers...

[04:52:34]

Beirdo:

but of course

[04:52:49]

Beirdo:

and it's conveniently sitting there for you... cached

[04:52:50]

nutron:

They all got suspended :)... fired would've been better

[04:52:59]

Beirdo:

put in DVD-R...

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russell5:

lol

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Shadow__X:

hotstove ftw!

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wagnerrp:

any ideas what this is about? http://www.mythtvtalk.com/i-resign-4770/#post55724

[05:19:34]

wagnerrp:

filler so theyre not spamming on their first post

[05:19:37]

wagnerrp:

?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, justinh resigning back in 07?

[05:24:09]

wagnerrp:

no, that last post from today

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wagnerrp:

the pointless 'for real man'

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wagnerrp:

and a similarly pointless one over in the german forum... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/moin-10670/#post55723

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kormoc:

bet it's a bot

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wagnerrp:

but bots need to spam to have a purpose

[05:26:18]

kormoc:

unless it's just testing the waters on how fast bots get deleted/etc

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wagnerrp:

speaking of which, weve got thousands of wiki users who could stand deletion

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wagnerrp:

18304 users, i doubt half of them have ever made an edit

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** kormoc nods **

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kormoc:

wonder why so many get created

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nutron:

Everyone has an opinion?

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wagnerrp:

except... they dont

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wagnerrp:

they create an account, and never use it

[05:32:42]

wagnerrp:

then you get the weird ones where one account creates another account

[05:33:37]

wagnerrp:

and thats just an obvious statement of bad intent

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nutron:

Busy little community...

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Beirdo:

half an hour from now, gonna restart the backend with some logging on the worker threads

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RomioTango:

hey guys i just downloaded and attempted to install the mythbuntu reps as to upgrade to 0.24. During this my x crashed and I had to run dpkg --configure -a. I, not thinking, configured the system not to upgrade mythtv to 0.24

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RomioTango:

is there a way to reconfigure it directing to to upgrade?

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wagnerrp:

better asked in #mythbuntu

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Beirdo:

17929 syslog 20 0 181m 3.9g 1.7g S 0 100.8 0:14.89 rsyslogd

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Beirdo:

argh

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Beirdo:

picked up the netbook with my thumb on the mouse button, sorry

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wagnerrp:

thats a lo t of logging

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

I restarted it when I saw that... that's on the backend box

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nutron:

Beirdo: you gonna be on for say another hour?

[05:56:12]

Beirdo:

probably

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nutron:

my wife can't translate slash.. dot... slash... eff eff mpeg dash eye

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nutron:

a'ight

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** nutron drives home **

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wagnerrp:

-i?

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nutron:

yep

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wagnerrp:

oh, space – i

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Beirdo:

yeah, we wanna see if he got -TS or -PS

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nutron:

see dee slash ess arr vee etc etc etc...

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Beirdo:

my steaks have left Hermiston, OR

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wagnerrp:

no ssh?

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nutron:

yeah she got that far

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wagnerrp:

no, you no ssh?

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wagnerrp:

why not log in you remotely

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nutron:

doesn't help that my password is a million characters long with too many numbers... after about 5 or more minutes of repeating myself I gave up

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wagnerrp:

problems internet having you?

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nutron:

wagnerrp: cuz i'm a knob and am between reconfiguring my router

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nutron:

aye restructuring my shizzles and I've cut myself off from my home :)

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Beirdo:

and this is the result :)

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wagnerrp:

backup always have you must

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nutron:

hah

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nutron:

Nah just haven't finished my setup...

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Beirdo:

I think I'd go for lower security and not having to dictate ssh passwords, etc

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** wagnerrp disables the yoda filter **

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nutron:

the router allows me to connect... I just can't connect to my internal network

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wagnerrp:

*cough* *cough*

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wagnerrp:

whoops

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nutron:

Beirdo: heh true 'nuff. I just never have enough time

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nutron:

ok

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nutron:

enough banter

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** nutron dons his cape and goes to fire up the suv **

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wagnerrp:

no, no capes!

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Beirdo:

heheh

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nutron:

But how am I to explain the gas guzzler?

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Beirdo:

just say you're an American

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nutron:

the batmobile was....

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nutron:

hahahahahhaaaaa hahaha :)

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** nutron wipes a tear **

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nutron:

ok

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nutron:

I'll be back in a half hour

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Beirdo:

ahhh WTH

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Beirdo:

the next show started recording.

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Beirdo:

oops

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Beirdo:

screw... it

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Beirdo:

restarted

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Beirdo:

2011-01–11 22:05:10.996 ThreadCount: 7

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Beirdo:

I wanna see how fast that increases

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wagnerrp:

aww... this thing actually had a second disk

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wagnerrp:

where is the second disk...

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Beirdo:

it's hiding

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wagnerrp:

on the shelf where it always was

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wagnerrp:

dont keep bonus disks in the player

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wagnerrp:

and hadnt ripped it to drive yet

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Beirdo:

I think I see it

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Beirdo:

in ThreadTerminating, we remove the thread from the available list, but leave it on the thread list for later removal

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Beirdo:

but it never gets removed from the thread list, and that's what we count for exhaustion

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nutron:

Beirdo, Stream #0.0[0x1e0]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 720x480 [PAR 8:9 DAR 4:3], 6800 kb/s, 29.97 fps, 29.97 tbr, 90k tbn, 59.94 tbc

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nutron:

Does that say ps or ts? :o

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Beirdo:

no.

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nutron:

Hmm I don't see anything in the output that tells me so

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Beirdo:

the Input #0 line though...

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nutron:

ok

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nutron:

Input #0, mpeg, from '1085_20110110160200.mpg':

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Beirdo:

OK, that's PS

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Beirdo:

Input #0, mpegts, from '3221_20110107190000.mpg':

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Beirdo:

that's TS :)

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nutron:

ok i'll double check the recording profiles

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nutron:

crap.. it _was_ set to ps...

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: found it man

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Beirdo:

YAY

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nutron:

ok hopefully that clears up my logs so I can trace why my recordings randomly start late

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Beirdo:

now I'll just need to remove my pile o' logging

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Beirdo:

and then let this soak in for a while with load

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Beirdo:

this stuff is SOOOO fragile

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[R]:

fragile

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[R]:

hrm, that must be italian

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wagnerrp:

theyre making an Uncharted movie?

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Beirdo:

dunno

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Beirdo:

I think I've solved me thread issue

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Beirdo:

a) we never removed them from the pool when "terminating"

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wagnerrp:

there is not 6.5GB worth of data on this bonus disk

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Beirdo:

b) we never deleted the structure when "terminating"

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Beirdo:

but once "terminated", we never used the thread again as it's actually gone

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Beirdo:

as I have it now, it seems to be working

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Beirdo:

although at startup, I got strange crashes a few times

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Beirdo:

in other area of the upnp stuff

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Beirdo:

but a make distclean might fix that

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Beirdo:

I'll see AFTER cleaning up my extra logging here

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deaman:

the prebuilt bins for windows don't seem to include mythvideo, is it possible to run mythvideo on windows, will I have to built it myself?

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wagnerrp:

yes, the frontend and all plugins should compile for use in windows

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wagnerrp:

although DVD access in mythvideo likely wont work

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deaman:

that's good news, thanks. I wonder why davco doesn't include them in the builds.

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Beirdo:

oooh, pretty white stuff outside

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** Beirdo is PLEASED with himself **

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Beirdo:

it WORKS :)

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wagnerrp:

apparently nathan fillion has a han-solo-in-carbonite miniature that can be seen in various episodes of firefly

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deaman:

wagnerrp: damn shame that show didn't get it's feet. Joss in space would have rocked.

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you think I should toss the fix onto master, or let it soak for a few days first? :)

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wagnerrp:

well if you mess something up with that, i assume you could end up with double-free segfaults?

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wagnerrp:

id let it run for a day just to make sure

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Beirdo:

yup

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wagnerrp:

its been broken for months

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Beirdo:

the only time we ever deleted was if you delete the entire pool

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yeah, very good point

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Beirdo:

I can't believe how simple it was in the end

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Beirdo:

that has been haunting us for a while now

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Beirdo:

3h to get from Franklin, TN to Nashville, TN?

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Beirdo:

UPS must be carrying my package

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wagnerrp:

yes, UPS is handling your meat

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Beirdo:

hehe, that's not the meat

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

but... yes, they are

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justinh1:

what a refreshing change. I just read *that* thread where the noob leapt straight into insulting the project as a way of asking for help. Most of the thread was really positive IMHO – a good sign things are moving in the right direction

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Beirdo:

justinh1: yeah, wasn't he a charmer?

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Beirdo:

and it's nice to see the pile of users pile on him telling him how off he is :)

[08:13:25]

Beirdo:

yeah, our docs can use work. So help work on em :) no... couldn't be bothered. heh

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justinh1:

aye, a right charmer. Mind, I can remember when I felt the same way after reporting a bug when mythmusic crashed. The things I said about that Chutt guy...

[08:14:14]

justinh1:

the wiki could use a bomb. Or ten

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Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh1:

you can go in & scrape the cruft off but it still keeps coming back

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Beirdo:

there've been a few times when many of us have taken turns losing it

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justinh1:

I'm a gonna have to upgrade soon. I can feel it in my water

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Beirdo:

yeah, the wiki is a nice tool, but it requires maintenance

[08:15:37]

justinh1:

when I say 'have to' I actually mean the seed of desire is growing

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Beirdo:

we need to send you something to bribe you to do a theme :)

[08:16:22]

justinh1:

heheh. no bribe required. as gorgeous as Arclight is my wife hates it

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Beirdo:

how about some earplugs so you don't have to listen to the complaining losers

[08:16:45]

Beirdo:

ah, she can bribe ya :)

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justinh1:

I dunno how I'd handle that any better tbh

[08:17:03]

wagnerrp:

i was going to say a hired thug and a relative that can get free deadhead flights

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Beirdo:

yeah, I know, it's always the problem

[08:17:08]

justinh1:

maybe I'll do the darn thing, put it out there & then that'll be it

[08:17:27]

justinh1:

no contact details, no name.. nowt!

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Beirdo:

well... contact details may be necessary to publish...

[08:18:02]

Beirdo:

but nothing saying you can't do

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Beirdo:

email+filter@host.com

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Beirdo:

and then filter it straight to /dev/null when you don't feel like it

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justinh1:

anyway, I was about to say.. still running 0.23 & had some issues with my dvb-t aerial lately thanks to the window fitters accelerating its demise, so it's been in & out, in & out for days off & on. During in-progress recordings, EIT grabbings, the works. Backend did NOT even sniffle

[08:18:49]

Beirdo:

or create a new gmail account that you never read :)

[08:19:03]

justinh1:

oh yeah. the theme downloader :-\

[08:20:00]

justinh1:

wonder if that's forced the guy who hosted his stuff on megaupload to reconsider :-P

[08:20:02]

Beirdo:

but with the way the new theming works, make it so it's working, and if users want to tweak it on their systems, they can go nuts :)

[08:20:55]

Beirdo:

and if they wanna say they made this sweet new theme, I'd be quite willing to deny obvious clones without proper credit given

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justinh1:

then again – we've had the aerial pulled out during recordings etc & the backend was rock solid :-O

[08:21:06]

Beirdo:

hehe

[08:21:14]

Beirdo:

yeah, that's a cool thing

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justinh1:

I'm really made up with that. It was recording one of my wife's stories & I had to mess around with the cable join, plugs, coupler etc & the resulting recording was actually almost usable

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Beirdo:

cool

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justinh1:

it more or less only had chunks of missing time.

[08:22:53]

justinh1:

now THAT is some serious robustness you can't bargain for

[08:23:10]

justinh1:

hell I wouldn't even expect a commercial DVR to cope with that

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Beirdo:

yeah

[08:23:44]

justinh1:

so whatever was done in the last recorder class commit I've got on my backend... it's gold I tells ya

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Beirdo:

:)

[08:24:18]

Beirdo:

there've been so many changes in the last year...

[08:24:20]

justinh1:

anyway as for a theme.. I just need *time* and lots of it

[08:24:26]

Beirdo:

yeah

[08:24:47]

justinh1:

then again even the stuff I've got with 'concept' is making me want to dig into code again

[08:25:10]

Beirdo:

cool

[08:25:20]

justinh1:

I really don't want group lists onscreen at the same time as the contents of said lists

[08:25:39]

Beirdo:

well, I for one would love to see more people workin on this beast of an app :)

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justinh1:

wizardising config stuff has been on more than one person's radar for a long time, but it's not gonna come easy

[08:27:30]

justinh1:

& there's likely little merit to doing it *now* , before moving setup stuff to be web based

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Beirdo:

as far as I can tell... I just fixed the nagging thread exhaustion bug

[08:27:42]

Beirdo:

heh

[08:28:02]

Beirdo:

true, but only the backend stuff is heading to web based to start AFAIK

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justinh1:

heh well that'd be the end that needs it

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Beirdo:

2011-01–12 00:28:10.788 ThreadPool:HTTP: thread pool size 3

[08:28:33]

Beirdo:

2011-01–12 00:28:20.823 ThreadPool:HTTP: thread pool size 2

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Beirdo:

2011-01–12 00:28:20.853 ThreadPool:HTTP: thread pool size 1

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Beirdo:

ahhhhhh

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

2011-01–12 00:28:20.917 ThreadPool:HTTP: thread pool size -4

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wagnerrp:

whoops

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Beirdo:

hehe

[08:29:51]

Beirdo:

before, that was constantly increasing, never decreasing

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Beirdo:

and not logged

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Beirdo:

I put that as IMPORTANT|EXTRA

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justinh1:

cool

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Beirdo:

I think I'll be changing my limit from 60 to something sane soon

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Beirdo:

and then changing the default to something sane

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wagnerrp:

5?

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Beirdo:

I was thinking 10

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wagnerrp:

5 was the old limit

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wagnerrp:

does seem to low

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Beirdo:

but yeah, a LOT smaller if this is gonna work

[08:33:01]

Beirdo:

25 is excessive

[08:33:02]

wagnerrp:

although i never remember having problems before

[08:33:12]

Beirdo:

but it's an upper limit, so... we can just leave it

[08:33:40]

Beirdo:

I'm running with 60 thread max... 10s timeout instead of 60s

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justinh1:

right I need to find a fax machine. so I can send the propery lawyers this duplicate information they 'didn't receive with the other stuff I sent in the same envelope' again

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Beirdo:

oh god

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Beirdo:

good to know lawyers are idiots world round

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Beirdo:

I want my DVD changer box already

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** Beirdo looks at the buildbot... **

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Beirdo:

oh crap. busted build...

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** Beirdo goes off to fix what he seemingly borked **

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Beirdo:

once the compile finishes

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Beirdo:

won't take long

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justinh1:

that took some doing. sending a fax on a single sheet fed machine with dodgy rollers. uh oh

[08:56:45]

justinh1:

I'd have used the 'document center' the size of a small car to send it, but it apparently hasn't been configured to send faxes

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justinh1:

Beirdo: the company call themselves 'breezeplus'. this mortgage application has been going on since the last week in October

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Beirdo:

such a breeze

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justinh1:

I mistakenly assumed that applying over the phone would be a simple matter of going through details & returning signed documents. hahahahahaha

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dingus:

hey i have a problem that is driveing me up the wall

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justinh1:

not to worry though, I've sent a lovely 2 page letter of complaint outlining their failures. I don't want compensation – that'd be *nice* though – nah just completing the transaction would be cool. I'm paying over the odds & their stupidity is costing me money

[08:59:29]

dingus:

i cant read dvd's past the first layer

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dingus:

not in mythvideo, not in dvdbackup, not evan with dd

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Beirdo:

dingus: heh, thought of trying another drive yet?

[09:00:17]

wagnerrp:

yeah, sounds like hardware issue

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justinh1:

oh. I was gonna say. reading dvds yourself would be tricky, second layer or not ;-)

[09:00:35]

wagnerrp:

or perhaps the disk itself may be funky

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

OK, buildbot's happy again

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dingus:

yep, tryed different drives in same pc, tryed different drive in different pc (on the backend) plays on my laptop, and plays on my dvd player

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wagnerrp:

my grandparents had a dvd player that the laser got knocked out of alignment

[09:01:07]

Beirdo:

I borked the build, and nobody noticed. Shame on you :)

[09:01:14]

wagnerrp:

it would no longer flip to the second layer on disney disks

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Beirdo:

yeah, they get alignment or sometimes focus issues

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justinh1:

it's a blinkin miracle they work at all, considering

[09:02:50]

dingus:

well if its relivent the movie is despicable me, got it today i first assumed hardware, so i did try multipal drives, how ever if i boot mythbox to windows, it reads the disk with the same drive

[09:03:48]

justinh1:

'it' ?

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dingus:

windows media player/power dvd both work under windows, as dose dvd decryptor

[09:04:35]

justinh1:

windows can't natively read DVDs AFAIK. what program is working? if it's a new disk there could be some funky encripplement etc

[09:04:48]

wagnerrp:

justinh1: 7 can

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justinh1:

!

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Beirdo:

7 can also eat me

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wagnerrp:

maybe vista, i dont remember

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justinh1:

I didn't keep an OS that didn't allow my laptop to play an mp3 without stuttering

[09:05:21]

wagnerrp:

but at some point after XP, they actually bought a license

[09:05:40]

dingus:

eather way i believce the licences in use is from powerdvd

[09:06:08]

justinh1:

so it's likely not a mythtv issue anyway

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justinh1:

if you're trying a bunch of different linux programs which all use the same libs..

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dingus:

basicly what if figured how ever if i use dvd backup to unlock the disk, evan the cp command fails when it hits the second layer

[09:08:19]

dingus:

eather way ill struge through, if nothing else got a bd drive ariveing monday, see if that dose somthing differen

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justinh1:

lol I thought google were going to filter out warez search results or something. I just searched on "despicable me fails to rip" and umm...

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dingus:

lol

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justinh1:

I rip all my discs on my windows xp laptop anyway :P

[09:13:37]

justinh1:

then hook it up to the network & copy the resulting image or video file(s) to the backend

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justinh1:

my next frontend is mostly not going to have optical

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dingus:

fair enough, well im trying to aim for convience, getting the frontend to rip the dvd to the backend, but resolveing a 4.7 gig limet is necessary

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Beirdo:

OK, well past bedtime. :)

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dingus:

justinh1: if you are still around, i thought i would tell you i resolved my issue by recompileing libdvdcss

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

anyone here I think I found a unique solution for mythexport

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mattwj2002:

I am using handbrake instead of ffmpeg

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hashbang:

morning all

[11:01:16]

mattwj2002:

hi hashbang

[11:01:22]

mattwj2002:

you use mythexport at all?

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hashbang:

mattwj2002: nope, only MythArchive

[11:18:56]

mattwj2002:

oh okay

[11:19:16]

mattwj2002:

mythexport is really cool

[11:19:22]

mattwj2002:

but a pain to get going

[11:19:33]

mattwj2002:

I think I might finally have it going using handbrake

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mattwj2002:

encoding everything is going to be slow considering I have such an old computer though

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mattwj2002:

P4 1.7 Ghz O_o 512 MB of RAM

[11:44:02]

hashbang:

teehee! http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9472

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justinh1:

dingus: you mean updated libdvdcss (even if it was by means of compiling it yourself)? That kinda figures

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mattwj2002:

what the heck?

[12:42:58]

mattwj2002:

some stations broadcast in 120 frames per second?

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justinh1:

ruh?

[12:45:07]

justinh1:

since when?

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justinh1:

I thought 30p or 60i was as fast as it got

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mattwj2002:

maybe I am look at something wrong

[12:45:45]

justinh1:

or maybe 60p if it's threedeeteevees I dunno

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mattwj2002:

but I have a hdhomerun

[12:46:13]

mattwj2002:

and a vlc

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mattwj2002:

it says 119.xxx frames per second

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justinh1:

if you're looking at a recorded stream .. then it's quite possible the broadcaster has messed up

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mattwj2002:

oh okay

[12:46:45]

justinh1:

they do naughty/stupid things all the time

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justinh1:

AFAIK broadcast TV in the USA, OTA goes to 1080i(60) or 720p(30) & that's yer whack

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mattwj2002:

okay

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mattwj2002:

:)

[12:48:34]

mattwj2002:

that is what I though

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mattwj2002:

I figured that was weird

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mattwj2002:

justinh1: I think I finally got mythexport to work with the help of handbrake

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mattwj2002:

:D

[12:49:24]

justinh1:

ooookay

[12:49:27]

mattwj2002:

doing my first encoding anyways

[12:49:59]

justinh1:

for crap I wanna keep I just trim it, fix if necessary then run through mythtranscode & move it off to mythvideo

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mattwj2002:

got ya

[12:50:28]

justinh1:

which isn't much btw – and I'm realising I'd likely save a lot of time just buying DVD box sets

[12:50:50]

mattwj2002:

indeed :)

[12:51:04]

mattwj2002:

better quality and what not too

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justinh1:

mind you, ripping box sets & turning them into episode videos ain't a joyride either

[12:52:30]

mattwj2002:

my box is recording only

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mattwj2002:

recording and re-encoding those recordings

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justinh1:

even the stuff I'm archiving will be deleted one day

[12:53:04]

mattwj2002:

it is only 1.7 Ghz with 512 MB of ram

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mattwj2002:

2 TB of storage though

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justinh1:

put it away

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mattwj2002:

what?

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mattwj2002:

O_O

[12:54:54]

justinh1:

lol the 'who's got the biggest disk' bit ;-)

[12:55:09]

mattwj2002:

lol

[12:55:09]

mattwj2002:

:P

[12:55:17]

mattwj2002:

oh heck

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mattwj2002:

2 TB is nothing in this room!

[12:55:27]

justinh1:

you either have enough storage or you haven't ;-)

[12:55:34]

mattwj2002:

so of these guys have 10 TB

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mattwj2002:

*some

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justinh1:

if you keep a lot you'll never have enough :P

[12:56:10]

mattwj2002:

true

[12:56:21]

justinh1:

I think it's funny that HDD sizes on commercial DVRs are so piddlingly small though

[12:56:32]

justinh1:

ooo a whole 160GB?! Niiiiiiiiice

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mattwj2002:

well I was disappointed

[12:56:47]

mattwj2002:

I didn't get what I wanted for Christmas

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mattwj2002:

:(

[12:57:06]

mattwj2002:

http://www.archive.org/web/petabox.php

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justinh1:

I didn't want anything for Christmas, but my wife still managed to disappoint me by buying me a Dan Brown book

[12:57:41]

justinh1:

WAY to insult my intelligence, woman!

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mattwj2002:

lol

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

all I wanted was 650 TB of storage geez is that too much to ask for?

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justinh1:

give it 20 years & you can hang that on yer keyring

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mattwj2002:

if not sooner :)

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hashbang:

justinh1: LOL

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mattwj2002:

well guys

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mattwj2002:

it has been great chatting

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mattwj2002:

but I have to get going

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mattwj2002:

time for work!

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mattwj2002:

bye all

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hashbang:

mattwj2002: my new MythTV box is a i5–760 with 2x2TB discs, three spare bays and two spare SATA ports. :-)

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** hashbang puts it away again. **

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mattwj2002:

nice

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mattwj2002:

:D

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mattwj2002:

bye

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hashbang:

mattwj2002: ttfn!

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hashbang:

I've RAID1'd a good chunk of my recordings (5x200MB JFS volumes in a 1TB LVM PV on a RAID1 volume), then I've got another 2x200GB unRAIDed ext4 as 'filler'

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justinh1:

I was never attracted to RAID. It's only teevees

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hashbang:

the 5x200 bit is because JFS filesystems can only be expanded. If I want to reduce the size of the non-filler, I can do that by moving/deleting recordings and re-mkfs'ing the LV, without having to backup/restore the entire 1TB JFS partition/LV.

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hashbang:

justinh1: that used to be my view, too. I tend to keep things for a long time before watching them, and it'd sometimes be a pain if the disc died in between.

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justinh1:

the way I feel about current films I can only see my need for movie storage decreasing

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hashbang:

justinh1: heh

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justinh1:

I got Inception on DVD.. YAWN

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hashbang:

justinh1: oh, I quite liked it.

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justinh1:

rip, copy to network share, import into mythvideom grab metadata.. what a waste of time

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hashbang:

justinh1: ever seen Primer?

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justinh1:

nope

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hashbang:

justinh1: for anyone who thinks Inception or The Matrix is complicated, Primer will melt their brains.

[13:09:13]

hashbang:

justinh1: I'm still not entirely sure I understand it. :-)

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hashbang:

justinh1: actually, I'm pretty sure I've forgotten how it works. But I think I kinda did, once.

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justinh1:

after reading the synopsis on IMDB I sure don't ever wanna see it now

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justinh1:

file under 'straight to video'

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hashbang:

justinh1: It was arthouse and Tartan DVD, IIRC.

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hashbang:

justinh1: made for about US$7K, IIRC.

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justinh1:

I don't care how much it cost to make. films have always been about THE NARRATIVE

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hashbang:

quite liked Afternoons with Margritte recently.

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justinh1:

get THE NARRATIVE wrong, or don't have one people can follow, relate to or show interest in and erm...

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hashbang:

Only just got round to watching Old Boy, too

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hashbang:

off to see The King's Speech tonight, all being well

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justinh1:

movies == time vampires

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justinh1:

a film with no explodey helicopters, or scenes where somebody has to gnaw their own leg off?! :-O

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justinh1:

my Dad offered me a CAM VCD of Tron the other weekend

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justinh1:

oh boy

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justinh1:

maybe it wasn't a VCD. maybe he turned 700MB chunks into DVDs. Anyway...

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justinh1:

kinda misses the point, doesn't it ;-)

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wagnerrp:

dingus: just so you know, the dvd ripping faculty in the frontend has been removed

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dingus:

wagnerrp, this i am aware of, im busy reintroduceing it in to 0.25pre on my box.

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wagnerrp:

justinh1: actually, its 720p60 or 1080i30

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wagnerrp:

ah, were you the one asking about that in #mythtv a couple weeks ago?

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justinh1:

somebody's gotta love mythdvd

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justinh1:

wagnerrp: really? oh well. I thought progressive stuff was only 30fps

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justinh1:

Frames Per Second

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wagnerrp:

its all 60 fields per second

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wagnerrp:

but interlaced is only 30 frames per second

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justinh1:

yeah 60 fields per sec

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justinh1:

but I thought progressive was still only 30 images/sec

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wagnerrp:

nope, its all 60

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wagnerrp:

dont know why they insist on 60, but meh

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justinh1:

unless they just show the same frame twice :P

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wagnerrp:

two and three times

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wagnerrp:

because most of it is 24fps source

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justinh1:

I wasn't talking about pulldown etc but nevermind :)

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wagnerrp:

why they cant just broadcast at p24 ive no clue

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wagnerrp:

i wonder how much it costs them in the stream having that duplicate frame

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justinh1:

not much I expect, or they wouldn't

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justinh1:

what am I saying? lol

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justinh1:

prolly more to do with the likelihood of viewer's hardware making good sense of it at the other end anyway

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wagnerrp:

foolish punch drinkers

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wagnerrp:

thinking they can run VDPAU High on their ION2s

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hashbang:

justinh1: Tron Legacy was a bit poopy, I thought.

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wagnerrp:

i thought that was the general consensus

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wagnerrp:

lots of form and flair, but no substance

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dingus:

wagnerrp, yes i as, i have writen a ripper to extract the whole movie and park it on the storage group, i am also makeing some modes on mytharchive to fetch movies from the storage group before burning them locally

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dingus:

atm i have a few bugs to iron out, and integrate into myth gui but after that good as gold

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wagnerrp:

what all have you touched in mytharchive?

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wagnerrp:

specifically, have you done anything in mythburn.py?

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dingus:

nope, i edited fileselector.cpp to fetch the files and place them locally after they have been selected, why do you ask?

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hashbang:

wagnerrp: do elaborate on mythburn.py, as I think I'm going to have to forwardport some patches of mine from 0.21 to 0.24 and try again to get them included.

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wagnerrp:

had a patch for converting that over to the python bindings

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wagnerrp:

use the bindings for all data access, and start to migrate tools out of mytharchivehelper

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wagnerrp:

but at the moment, im thinking it may as well be trashed

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dingus:

why is that?

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wagnerrp:

since most of it is going to have to be rewritten for the impending recordedfile stuff

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wagnerrp:

merge of recorded and videometadata tables

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dingus:

fair enough

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dingus:

wagnerrp, any change you would be avalible eather on the dev chan, or via privat message to go over some of the change i have made, or are makeing, personally i would like to submit ten back, but i also dont want to step on another developers toes so to speak

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wagnerrp:

no, this is just something i wrote up 4–6 months ago, havent touched since

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wagnerrp:

i dont use mytharchive, so i havent tested it in any manner

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wagnerrp:

which is why i never committed it in the first place

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dingus:

where do i submit minor changes? personally i needed a few things (EG i needed NR to be included in possible rateings) and i would rather not have to patch each release with my own mods

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wagnerrp:

open a ticket, submit a patch

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dingus:

fair enough, well as i go through mods i think i will do just that, one other question i have, why dose mythtv use so much python?

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wagnerrp:

not many people use mytharchive that i know of, so i have no idea how long it would take to get committed

[14:15:04]

wagnerrp:

i didnt know mythtv used so much python

[14:15:43]

wagnerrp:

mythburn was a 3rd party submission pulled into the code years back

[14:16:03]

wagnerrp:

and all the python grabbers for mythvideo/mythnetvision are largely the work of one person

[14:16:49]

wagnerrp:

the mythweather grabbers are all (or nearly all) perl

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wagnerrp:

and a lot of the older external utilities are perl

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hashbang:

the old pre-MythArchive MythTV DVD burning stuff was Perl, for instance

[14:17:52]

hashbang:

I ported ProjectX support into MythArchive after it was lost in the transition

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hashbang:

whilst I was there, I added the DVB-to-DVD subtitles stuff

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hashbang:

(my gf's mum is hearing-impaired)

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dingus:

fair enough its my gf's is the reasion im makeing chaneg to mythArchive, specificly so she can select movies for her 4 year old before they go o holidays and not take origionals ... not to mention compilation onto 1 disk

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wagnerrp:

what are they going to be using this disk in?

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dingus:

portable dvd player

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dingus:

they get the train to sydney every month or so, its 9 hours so we burn 2–3 dvds before they go

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wagnerrp:

ah, something with screen and all

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dingus:

yah

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dingus:

and absicly she is the biggst reasion for any of my changes, i moved NR files to parental 3 so i can manually move em latter, and not risk haveing them importated at level 1 for what ever reasion, esspeacally with expplicete cover art, fixed mytharchive for SG so they have them to go on holidays, and introduced ripping cause 4 year olds and dvds dont mix

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dingus:

brb

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hashbang:

dingus: apparently DVD players like jam on their DVDs, just like we like it on toast.

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dingus:

you got kids to dont you hashbang :P:P

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hashbang:

that one's from a colleague with a little girl, actually.

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hashbang:

I loved the logic of it.

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dingus:

it has good logic for a child, but eather way mythtv save me a fortion in dvds

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GWG:

I've been tinkering with an idea for Mythnetvision/Mythbrowser, but I'm not sure if it is technically possible with the current configuration

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dingus:

GWG whats the idea your thinking over?

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GWG:

I've been using my Android device and Chrome2Phone a lot to send links from my browser to the phone. I'm wondering if the same idea would work for MythTV. If I come across a video link, if I could send it to my frontend.

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wagnerrp:

you could cludge something together

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wagnerrp:

you could jump to mythbrowser

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wagnerrp:

and then type in the link to the site

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wagnerrp:

but mythnetvision does not currently expose access to any controls over the control socket

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GWG:

What if it is an MP4 or such?

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GWG:

A direct link to a video file?

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wagnerrp:

if its a direct link to the video file, then you open it directly with the internal player

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wagnerrp:

and bypass mythnetvision and mythbrowser

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wagnerrp:

i think the internal player will handle http links, but ive never actually tried it

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GWG:

But if it is a direct URL to a video file, can you send that URL and have it open up using the telnet link?

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wagnerrp:

telnet link?

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GWG:

Remotely controlling the frontend

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GWG:

You can do that by telnet

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wagnerrp:

mythfrontend has no telnet capability

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GWG:

Isn't there a frontend control socket?

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wagnerrp:

yes there is

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GWG:

Don't you telnet into that to control it manually?

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GWG:

I've never used it

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wagnerrp:

no, because its not a telnet interface

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GWG:

Either way, I'll check the wiki for that

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wagnerrp:

telnet appears to work, and people mistakenly use it

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wagnerrp:

but there are circumstances that will cause very bad issues if you attempt to use that control socket with a telnet client

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GWG:

Okay. I admit I've only skimmed it. But is there a way to use the control interface to send an http link to the internal video player?

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wagnerrp:

'play file <filename>'

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wagnerrp:

thats a direct link into the internal player

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GWG:

I'll have to see if that works with a URL

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wagnerrp:

but i dont know if it will accept http links

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GWG:

I'll try it when I get back, I guess

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GWG:

If it works, I can script it.

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wagnerrp:

i know it will take URLs, because you can give it a myth:// link

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GWG:

Because if it does, it would make for a nice script

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wagnerrp:

just dont use telnet

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GWG:

wagnerrp: I won't. I just opened the wiki page. Which is ironically... http://mythtv.org/wiki/Telnet

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GWG:

I read more closely.

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GWG:

Looking forward to trying this when I get home

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wagnerrp:

look again at the title at the top of the page

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wagnerrp:

the redirect from telnet is just to ensure people can find the page, and see the warning at the top

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GWG:

If it works, or could be made to work, I wonder how hard it would be to write a Firefox or Chrome extension to send to it.

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GWG:

I've never done either

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wagnerrp:

no idea

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GWG:

The thing I really hate doing is typing on my Mythfrontend to play something I fond on my desktop. That's my goal. Eliminating that.

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GWG:

will report back, I guess

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GWG:

wagnerrp: Got someone to test it.

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GWG:

An http link does not work

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wagnerrp:

doesnt look like it, no

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GWG:

shame that

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wagnerrp:

you could hook into the backend protocol, issue a temporary download, and feed it the resultant myth URI

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/DOWNLOAD_FILE_%28Myth_Protocol%29

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GWG:

I was just about to ask that

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GWG:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

the backend will download it to a temporary directory in the users home directory

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wagnerrp:

the user that ran mythbackend

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GWG:

Why does it say, store it in a location in a storage group?

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wagnerrp:

storage groups are how you define storage on a backend

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wagnerrp:

you give it the storage group, and the relative path within that storage group

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wagnerrp:

it will automatically select which folder within that storage group to store to

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GWG:

So, I'm still confused. Will it do it into a temporary directory or into a storage group?

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wagnerrp:

the Temp storage group is a special group defined as ~/.mythtv/Temp

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wagnerrp:

if you download to temp on the backend, the backend will store it to there

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GWG:

So, unless things change, the best way to do this is to write a script that triggers the backend download handler, and then when its done, alerts the system so it can be played back?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

DOWNLOAD_FILE will download in the background

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GWG:

And return the file location when done, I thought

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wagnerrp:

the file will be available for streaming immediately

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wagnerrp:

as long as you have sufficient bandwidth, you can start playback immediately

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GWG:

Okay.

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GWG:

So, I need a script that triggers the download, then orders the playback.

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GWG:

Shouldn't be too hard to write.

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wagnerrp:

note that the backend protocol is completely independent of the frontend control socket

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GWG:

So, I probably need three scripts. One to trigger a download, one to trigger playback, and one that calls the other two

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wagnerrp:

sounds about right

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GWG:

Although I think the protocol allows you to set a non-temp storage group for the location, which I might do.

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GWG:

my home partition isn't very big on the backend

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wagnerrp:

yes, you can choose another storage group to save to

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GWG:

Then I just need to figure out cleanup

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wagnerrp:

you could create your own, or even use the Videos storage group such that they would subsequently be available in mythvideo after a scan

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GWG:

I may do the latter.

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GWG:

Playback will be much smoother if I predownload

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wagnerrp:

you will get periodic updates from the backend protocol on the download progress

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wagnerrp:

you can figure out the download rate from there, and do a delayed start of playback

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wagnerrp:

rather than a full buffer

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GWG:

Think it is worth doing? Or is it better to suggest URL support for the play command under the frontend control? or both?

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wagnerrp:

URL support for the play command should be fairly trivial

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wagnerrp:

but the best option would be to add some sort of support into mythnetvision

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wagnerrp:

such that you give it a URL, and it opens it according to the methods defined by the grabber script for that website

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GWG:

And if it doesn't need any methods? if it just a direct link to the file?

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GWG:

Or in the case of netvision, a direct link to the page with the flash video link on it?

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GWG:

In your scenario?

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GWG:

It would need a grabber for something like a Youtube link, I suppose

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wagnerrp:

the needed methods would be opening and wrapping the flash player, or otherwise discovering the mp4 link for sites which allow download

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GWG:

Seems to make sense

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GWG:

I may put what you suggested re downloads together until Mythnetvision gets there

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GWG:

What about playmusic url?

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GWG:

How do you get into playback mode for music as opposed to playmusic mode?

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wagnerrp:

it flips automatically if needed

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wagnerrp:

the commands to start music playback work anywhere

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wagnerrp:

the commands to control it only work while within mythmusic

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GWG:

I get this error

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GWG:

ERROR: You are in playmusic mode and this command is only for playback mode

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ikevin:

does mythdroid style arrange videos himself?

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GWG:

wagnerrp: It isn't flipping, is what I'm saying

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ikevin:

i've an avi file on the base of my video directory, frontend view and play it, so mythdroid don't show it

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GWG:

ikevin: I'm confused by the question

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ikevin:

i've a file in my video storage group, backend and frontend (on PC) can play this file, so, on mythdroid i can't, the file seems to not exist

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mikasaari:

Is the current NVidia's 260.19.29 so buggy that it would cause lots of problems with mythtv ?

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GWG:

ikevin: I've never used Mythdroid, but I'll install it and give it a shot.

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ikevin:

all seems to work fine except video listing, i've juste ~50 videos availlable on the phone and ~ 2500 availlable on other frontend

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ikevin:

and it seems to work only on 3g/edge, on wifi i get timeout

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GWG:

Very odd

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GWG:

ikevin: could it be something the carrier is doing?Blocking certain types of streams?

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GWG:

Just theorizing

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ikevin:

it's not during a stream the problem

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ikevin:

it's on the video navigation

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GWG:

Oh

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GWG:

i misunderstood

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waza-ari:

Hey all, I have the problem that i dont get EPG information on some channels... on most i do, but some channels (rtl, sat.1, sport1) i dont get epg information. Any idea why? Please ask, if you need additional information, i have no idea...

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waza-ari:

Anyway, i can watch the channels, i dont get epg from.

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waza-ari:

Okay, on two of them i have the data now. But some are missing yet..

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wagnerrp:

are you using xmltv or eit?

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waza-ari:

afaik i did not provide any xmltv data.

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waza-ari:

i didnt change anything at all regarding these settings... at all channels "epg over dvb" is selected

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waza-ari:

And no xmtv-id is provided

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waza-ari:

no idea?

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wagnerrp:

if the broadcaster isnt providing data, not a whole lot you can do

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waza-ari:

hm... its rtl, i know it is broadcasting data...

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waza-ari:

*providing data...

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kormoc:

Right To Left?

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Beirdo:

heh

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waza-ari:

:) No, thats a german tv station :)

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Beirdo:

kormoc: do you get the "thread pool exhausted" often?

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wagnerrp:

'right to left' is a tv station?

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waza-ari:

rtl is

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kormoc:

Beirdo, used to. No commflagging due to no OS X builds and that's pretty much 'solved' it for me

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Beirdo:

ahh

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Beirdo:

I fixed it last night on my setup

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Beirdo:

gonna let the patch soak in for a day or two before committing to master

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iamlindoro:

rtl = Radio Television Luxemburg

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Beirdo:

of course the new http server code that dblain is working on will likely replace it

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Beirdo:

:)

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waza-ari:

No, its just a german tv station called "rtl" nothing to do with "right to left" or luxembourg or whatever :). Okay, it might be both :)

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iamlindoro:

No, it's the latter

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iamlindoro:

rtl means Radio Television Luxemburg

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Beirdo:

TLAs rule

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BLZbubba:

WTF is a TLA

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iamlindoro:

three letter ecronym

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iamlindoro:

er acronym

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BLZbubba:

i know

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iamlindoro:

OIC

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BLZbubba:

making a joke with the WTF there :)

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BLZbubba:

heh

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staylo:

terratorial army luxemburg, they keep security at RTL

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kormoc:

OMGWTFBRBBBQ

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staylo:

mostly there in case the space shuttle has to do a RTLS abort which concludes with a touchdown in the parking lot

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wagnerrp:

who lands an aircraft in a parking lot?

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BLZbubba:

speaking of tla's, where is a good place to research the acronym SVQ?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: well, if it's a Coscto parking lot, you nearly could

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Beirdo:

BLZbubba: ummm.. google?

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wagnerrp:

big enough, sure

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wagnerrp:

but thick enough?

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Beirdo:

only need to do it once :)

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wagnerrp:

200k lbs at 250kts?

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wagnerrp:

not to mention the momentum from derotate?

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Beirdo:

yeah, so the parking lot gets buggered :)

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Beirdo:

meh

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waza-ari:

Okay... i have another problem.... since 0.24 the sound of some videos (having dts audio) is corrupted... The receiver detects the dts signal, but it is completly damged... Some other videos are working quite well

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Beirdo:

better that than an apartment building, I'd think

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iamlindoro:

The space shuttle landing pads are the longest and flattest in the world-- apparently any irregularity in the surface makes it impossible for the SS to land-- so that rules out parking lots, freeways, etc.

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: yeah, and that front gear punches through the parking lot, and grinds in the nose

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iamlindoro:

Only place you can land one in at Cape Canaveral, or at Vandenburg

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iamlindoro:

er is at

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wagnerrp:

besides, i dont think ive seen a 3-mile long costco before

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

they just seem that way

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Cru_:

I'm having trouble with mythtv. I mounted an extra hd and added it via the backend. I moved over some recordings to it and they appear and play fine on my mthtvbox, but if I try to record on the extra hd or delete something off the extra hd via mythtv, neither work (manually i can do both by dragging files over or deleting them via terminal or thunar)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: im sure they could land on a salt flat, or international airport runway of sufficient length

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Everything I've ever read suggests otherwise

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wagnerrp:

the issues are the standard 10kft runway is insufficient for it to slow down

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wagnerrp:

and they only get one try at it

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kormoc:

Cru_, permissions?

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wagnerrp:

so they cant afford to deal with other aircraft in the area

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Cru_:

kormoc: I chmodded the mounted folder to 777

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, salt flat? they can't hold that much weight

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wagnerrp:

cant they?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I think that's oversimplifying it-- to my knowledge *only* Vandenburg and the Cape are adequately long, flat, and free of debris

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kormoc:

I don't think so. The surface cracks easily enough

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wagnerrp:

i bet they could land at groom lake

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iamlindoro:

I recall reading the above in multiple sources

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iamlindoro:

sigh

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wagnerrp:

anyway... no sense arguing it

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iamlindoro:

ok, fine, they can land on a long straight street-- whatever, I give up

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, "Despite the appearance of a hard surface, much of the area is a thin salt crust over soft mud. It easily breaks under the weight of a vehicle." – Bonneville Salt Flats

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wagnerrp:

ah, never knew that

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, they specially say on their tourism stuff that if you don't stay on the areas marked for traffic, you'll destroy the flat.

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kormoc:

I'd imagine the others are all the same way

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kormoc:

specific areas that are hard, traffic safe, but doubt they're space shuttle safe

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kormoc:

yet alone the fact that they are pretty irregular with the 'cells' at differing levels all over the place

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kormoc:

likely semi-okay for traditional aircraft to emergency land on, but the SS has extremely little tolerance on stress on it's landing gear

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waza-ari:

Hm, now on most of the films using dts are not played correctly (the video, yes, but the audio judders). DD and others work fine, also some of the dts-videos. Here is, what the frontend log says: http://paste2.org/p/1188893

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kormoc:

waza-ari, did you scan your audio devices?

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waza-ari:

Hm... yes, i did... but the device is "ALSA:default"

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waza-ari:

In the description is "Device supports up to 7.1 (AC3,DTS,multi-channel LPCM)"

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** wagnerrp wonders if Cru_ is going to come back **

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waza-ari:

Okay, i scanned for devices again and selected the hdmi device directly – audio is still judding...

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waza-ari:

If i set max channels to "stereo" and not 5.1, the sound works perfectly, but the receiver just gets a stereo pcm signal

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kormoc:

is your source material 5.1?

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waza-ari:

mkvinfo says, DTS, 6 channels, 1,5Mbps, 48khz

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waza-ari:

Okay, playing the same file with smplayer works flawless. dts is correctly recognized by the amplifier (as when playing with mythtv) but the sound is allright.

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waza-ari:

So... no ideas?

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sdkovacs:

Hello kind sirs. I'm have issues playing Curb Your Enthusiasm Season 7, Disk 2 (in .iso) format on .24-fixes. Other .iso files work fine, and I had the same issue with that .iso in .23–1, but wanted to wait until .24 came out. Alas, the problem persists. The symptoms are that I can navigate to the episode index, but upon selecting an episode, Mythtv exits and returns to MythVideo. If I go back into the .iso file, the intro screen

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sphery:

sdkovacs: There's a message-length limit on IRC, so your message got cut off at "back into the .iso file, the intro screen"

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sdkovacs:

oh, it looked fine in my client sphery, thanks for notifying me. The rest was " and menus have choppy video and sound"

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sdkovacs:

What parameters do you suggest passing to mythfrontend to help identify the problem

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bobgill:

Trying to setup an add-on for xbmc that keeps giving an error relating to MythDataGrabber: http://pastebin.com/8UUQEjFQ

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sphery:

sdkovacs: you'd probably need to create a frontend log with: mythfrontend -v important,general,playback

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sdkovacs:

Thank you, I'll do that am come back if I can't figure out the issue

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sphery:

bobgill: we don't know much about xbmc or MythDataGrabber--neither is ours... Might want to ask in the xbmc channel

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wagnerrp:

bobgill: that says you are missing the python bindings

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sphery:

or maybe MythDataGrabber is a python bindings thing...

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sphery:

so, really, I should say, "*I* don't know much about MythDataGrabber."

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wagnerrp:

its a python helper utility for a bash import script

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sphery:

ahhh, related to the librarian

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sphery:

I still don't get the desire to use xbmc with mythtv

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bobgill:

Yup, and sorry to ask here but I have been asking on xbmc forums as well.. my distro (Arch) upped mainline python to v3, but still have 2.7/2.6/2.5 functioning and can't get past this. I was instructed I need libmyth-python and python-lxml, I have the latter but there's no package in our package manager of it and googling shows it's used in Ubuntu from what I can tell

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wagnerrp:

libmyth-python is just some artificial package that exists because the mythbuntu devs like to break everything up into small bits

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wagnerrp:

it is the python bindings, and should be included in the main mythtv install

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, you must have the python MySQLdb package, and the python lxml package

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wagnerrp:

and they must be installed for whatever 2.x version you are using

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wagnerrp:

further, if python 3.x is specified as the default 'python' binary

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wagnerrp:

you will have to edit the top line of mythdatagrabber to specify the proper 2.7 executable

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allesmueller:

anyone a glue what´s wrong here? myhtranscode is almost always in futex_wait_queue_me

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bobgill:

wagnerrp: ok thanks a lot I will relay that to the dev for the script

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wagnerrp:

ive already informed the dev for that script

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bobgill:

oh lol

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wagnerrp:

rather, i informed him that python 2.x and python 3.x are two independent languages

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wagnerrp:

and any sensible distro would ship a version of each

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wagnerrp:

and that the hashbang merely needs to be updated to make sure it is pointed at the right version

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bobgill:

right

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bobgill:

thanks I hope it can help in solving it

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wagnerrp:

well theres nothing really for him to solve

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bobgill:

that's what I had to do with some server scripts, just change the python2.x to 3

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wagnerrp:

at most, he would change the script to call '/usr/bin/env python2.7'

[20:51:20]

wagnerrp:

but i dont really think thats wise

[20:51:27]

wagnerrp:

since most people would still be using 2.6

[20:51:39]

wagnerrp:

and most people would have 'python' mapped to 'python2.6' anyway

[20:52:09]

wagnerrp:

if the python bindings are not being installed, then the fault lies with the arch/linhes packagers

[20:53:56]

bobgill:

yes we had a big hoopla when the main package was changed to 3, lots of breakage it may very well be my distro

[20:54:37]

wagnerrp:

IMHO, python 2.7 is still the primary version of python, and should be named 'python'

[20:54:56]

wagnerrp:

python 3.1 should be delegated to 'python3' or something

[20:55:26]

wagnerrp:

it would be like some distro suddenly deciding to switch to perl6

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wagnerrp:

its going to break things

[20:55:36]

wagnerrp:

lot of things

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bobgill:

yeah they did it backwards with Arch

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bobgill:

python is 3.1.3 and all others are relegated to python2.x

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: going to ask if he has six fingers on his right hand?

[21:07:19]

iamlindoro:

Perhaps I should ask him if he wants a peanut

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Beirdo:

holy crapola... someone asking for DLNA support help in .. 0.21?

[21:09:39]

Beirdo:

guh.

[21:09:46]

wagnerrp:

yeah well... technically the problem is still relevant

[21:10:09]

wagnerrp:

although on the opposite side of the qt4 rewrite, i doubt the patch would be anything like applicable

[21:10:19]

Beirdo:

"active client" is easy to detect

[21:10:30]

Beirdo:

use the number of active web worker threads

[21:10:32]

wagnerrp:

sure, but its still not done

[21:10:41]

wagnerrp:

[R] has been complaining about that recently

[21:10:52]

wagnerrp:

an active upnp stream will not block a backend autoshutdown

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Beirdo:

if the number of web worker threads != 1... then there are things definitely using the web server, including perhaps upnp

[21:11:18]

Beirdo:

I don't think it ever goes to 0, but I can look tonight

[21:12:00]

Beirdo:

we should add a method for "ActiveThreads()" in the ThreadPool

[21:12:14]

Beirdo:

Easy enough to do

[21:13:29]

Beirdo:

the "time to go to sleep" code, I have not looked at at all, but I'd think that adding a check for active web threads shouldn't be too hard overall.

[21:16:08]

Beirdo:

allesmueller: seeing it stopped blocked on a futex is fairly normal behavior

[21:16:30]

Beirdo:

you'd have to give an overview of what you are doing, etc to determine where to look

[21:18:18]

allesmueller:

well, I tried to convert with "nuvexport --ffmpeg", no denoise, interlace, crop – performance about 3 frames / sec on an athlon 2500

[21:18:29]

allesmueller:

single pass

[21:19:32]

allesmueller:

latencytop says about 97% "application requested delay"

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Beirdo:

that's a start :)

[21:20:57]

allesmueller:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/QYMf3eQc

[21:21:21]

allesmueller:

see my startup sequence

[21:21:29]

Beirdo:

what exporter?

[21:21:37]

Beirdo:

and is that a recent nuvexport?

[21:22:13]

Beirdo:

and what are the characteristics of the input file (codec, resolution, etc)

[21:22:14]

allesmueller:

yes, from git master which already looks for mythffmpeg

[21:23:06]

Beirdo:

good

[21:24:38]

allesmueller:

here we go for mediainfo http://mythtv.pastebin.com/WwZ3bkVn

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Beirdo:

OK, MPEG2-PS, SD resolution.

[21:26:08]

Beirdo:

and what output format did you choose?

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allesmueller:

-xvid

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Beirdo:

Hmm,

[21:29:06]

allesmueller:

weired – not?

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Beirdo:

well, that should be reasonably fast, although it's been ages since I used an Athlon 2500

[21:29:23]

Beirdo:

the biggest issue is likely that you only have one core

[21:29:45]

Beirdo:

and that one core is decoding (in mythtranscode) and encoding (in mythffmpeg)

[21:30:06]

Beirdo:

I assume you are hitting 100% CPU?

[21:30:08]

allesmueller:

nope I have 2 and both are idle – that´s what drives me crazy

[21:30:36]

Beirdo:

Athlon64 X2 2500 then?

[21:30:42]

allesmueller:

ffmeg 7% , transcode 2%

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allesmueller:

AMD Athlon(tm) Dual Core Processor 4850e

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Beirdo:

odd. Is your machine busy doing something else?

[21:31:16]

allesmueller:

jup, srry

[21:31:19]

allesmueller:

nope

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Beirdo:

nuvexport runs stuff niced

[21:31:35]

allesmueller:

should I try to renice

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allesmueller:

?

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Beirdo:

you can try :)

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Beirdo:

hmm

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allesmueller:

but there´s nothing else hogging for cpu power

[21:32:09]

Beirdo:

wonder which audio track it's choosing...

[21:32:22]

Beirdo:

is sox in your process list too?

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allesmueller:

no sox here ... IRRC from some forum thread it takes the first one?

[21:34:41]

Beirdo:

if sox isn't running, then I guess it is :)

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Beirdo:

as the first is stereo and doesn't need the downmixing, the second audio channel being 5.1 would

[21:35:37]

Beirdo:

basically, it seems that mythtranscode is waiting for mythffmpeg

[21:35:55]

Beirdo:

it will only fill the fifo as fast as it's being emptied

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allesmueller:

is there a reasonable way to increase buffers for that?

[21:37:40]

allesmueller:

an how is that related to futex_wait_queue_me

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Beirdo:

it's not a buffer issue

[21:39:46]

Beirdo:

it's a fifo... it will only fill it as fast as the consumer is emptying it

[21:40:00]

Beirdo:

and the futex is it waiting for space to put more into the fifo

[21:40:18]

Beirdo:

the bigger question is why the encoder is being slow

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allesmueller:

BTW: first I tried mencoder (with the mythnuv2mkv.sh script) – same (slow) performace

[21:42:05]

allesmueller:

+n

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allesmueller:

ffmpeg is pipe_wait- ing

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Beirdo:

hmm

[21:44:04]

Beirdo:

so maybe it IS the transcode side then... wonder what it's waiting on then if not the fifo

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allesmueller:

what should I say ... no glue, I try to hunt this for 8 weeks now

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mikasaari:

Is the current svn trunk (mythfrontend) compatible with 0.24 stable release server ?

[21:47:10]

allesmueller:

and even worse the system is about 400mi away – so I´m a bit reluctant playing with kernels ...

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kormoc:

mikasaari, negative

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allesmueller:

mikasaari, if say svn you are most likely not current anymore

[21:51:23]

** allesmueller thinks kormoc´s answer was faster and – better :) **

[21:51:30]

mikasaari:

Not sure why the mythfrontend is freezing in my machine in certain situations. (-v all read through but didn't figure out from there) so I though to test if svn compile would do any changes. But if it is not compatible I need to think something else then. Thanks for answers

[21:52:15]

allesmueller:

mikasaari, if you want latest sources you should get it from git repos

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mikasaari:

ah ok :) sorry

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mikasaari:

I assume latest git version isn't then compatible either

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allesmueller:

mikasaari, best bet would be backend and frontend built from same sources

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allesmueller:

Beirdo, mythffmpeg -threads 2 ... is started but actually there are 9 threads ?

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allesmueller:

mythtranscode launches 7 threads

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Beirdo:

there are 2 threads of ffmpeg

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allesmueller:

make sence 1 audio 1 video, there could be 1 "supervisor" but what are the others?

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kormoc:

allesmueller, CTO, CFO, CEO, Manager, Supervisor, Audio Worker, Video Worker

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Beirdo:

I dunno. The source is available :)

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allesmueller:

ah – kormoc puts some light on the shades :)

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pkiller01:

hi, i was wondering if anyone had experience with avermedia a707 dual hybrid analog/dvbt/dvbs pcie adapter. i am planing to make a mythtv box but i cannot find the supported cards

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hashbang:

evening all

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kormoc:

pkiller01, linuxtv.org

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pkiller01:

so if its not there there is no chance for me to run mythtv ?

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kormoc:

with that card, likely so

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hashbang:

I'm just packaging mythtv-0.24-fixes; anyone got any views on which package mythffmpeg, mythffplay and the php bindings should live in?

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kormoc:

hashbang, the backend

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pkiller01:

kormoc: thank you

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hashbang:

kormoc: for all of 'em?

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kormoc:

hashbang, yes

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** kormoc wonders what distro hashbang is packaging for **

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** allesmueller too **

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hashbang:

kormoc: OK, ta. Wouldn't that mean that mythweb needs to be installed on the same host as the backend?

[22:16:44]

kormoc:

hashbang, yes

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hashbang:

kormoc: Fedora 14, as the rpmfusion packages are ~2.5 months out of date.

[22:17:05]

kormoc:

hashbang, what bout the ones in our packaging tree?

[22:17:20]

kormoc:

(or rather .spec files)

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hashbang:

eh-wha? huh-wha?

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kormoc:

https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/tree/master/rpm

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hashbang:

kormoc: oh, the spec is no bother, I'm starting with rpmfusion/Jarod's

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** allesmueller considers moving from ubuntu "make install" to fedora yum **

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kormoc:

sure, but that's the one we're asking folks to use and improve :P

[22:18:54]

kormoc:

hashbang, you'd have to talk to xris about how he wants the php bindings working on non-MBE installs

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hashbang:

kormoc: thanks for the pointer; the spec there packages the php bindings and mythffmpeg/mythffplay as separate packages, so I've done the same

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kormoc:

ahh, there ya go

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hashbang:

arrgh

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** hashbang has accidentally pulled and built 0.25 rather than 0.24-fixes. **

[23:24:36]

hashbang:

d'oh

[23:24:52]

Beirdo:

doubtful

[23:25:01]

Beirdo:

more likely 0.25pre

[23:25:03]

hashbang:

Beirdo: mythversion.h confirms it

[23:25:11]

hashbang:

Beirdo: well, yeah. :-)

[23:25:53]

hashbang:

kormoc: what's the best mythweb branch to pair with 0.24-fixes?#

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kormoc:

hashbang, 0.24-fixes has mythweb in the mythplugin repo

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hashbang:

kormoc: not when I git cloned it

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kormoc:

it does

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kormoc:

you just need to switch to the fixes/0.24 branch to see it

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hashbang:

yup, did that

[23:29:44]

kormoc:

welp, color me surprised

[23:29:48]

kormoc:

I have no idea where it is then

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** kormoc pokes xris **

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** hashbang rm -rf's his local tree and starts from the top **

[23:36:33]

hashbang:

kormoc: yup, mythweb definitely not in 0.24-fixes mythplugins

[23:36:40]

hashbang:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/463290

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kormoc:

I was sure we left it there for 0.24

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kormoc:

I can only assume xris made the change

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hashbang:

kormoc: ok, so if I cd mythtv/mythplugins; git clone git://github.com/MythTV/mythweb.git; then... ?

[23:39:01]

kormoc:

switch the mythweb branch to fixes/0.24

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hashbang:

kormoc: thanks!

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kormoc:

np

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hashbang:

glad I checked before I upgraded. :-)

[23:49:27]

hashbang:

I'd have done a mysqldump beforehand, but still

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wagnerrp:

hashbang: why would you clone mythweb into mythtv/mythplugins?

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hashbang:

wagnerrp: that's always where it used to be

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wagnerrp:

why not clone straight into your webroot

[23:50:27]

wagnerrp:

so you can do in-place updating

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wagnerrp:

(thats the way ive always done it, even with svn)

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hashbang:

wagnerrp: ah. Naw, I package everything I install.

[23:50:57]

wagnerrp:

but... you dont install mythweb

[23:51:04]

wagnerrp:

theres a single config file

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wagnerrp:

and everything else exists in your webroot

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wagnerrp:

its not like theres crap scattered around the file system

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kormoc:

actually, that single config file could go poof now that I have the UPnP discovery in place

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wagnerrp:

moving back to the old .htdocs setup?

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kormoc:

I'd like to, aye

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Beirdo:

:)

[23:52:10]

kormoc:

make it entirely configless

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Beirdo:

as long as we can choose *which* UPnP backend to connect to, I'm so there

[23:52:50]

Beirdo:

and that can be in the .htaccess or http.conf segment, don't care

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kormoc:

I've always used .htaccess personally, but I have too many per directory setups

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wagnerrp:

is there any way to print the $PREFIX value from one of the myth binaries?

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, that really wouldnt help in this situation

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Beirdo:

sure

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Beirdo:

we could add it to the version.sh -> version.h

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