| Monday, January 10th, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:01] | ** nichos lives in florida, basements don't exist:) ** | |
| [00:00:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | And with Myth's frontend/backend architecture, you can put the backend in the basement, and have quiet frontends elsewhere in the house... |
| [00:00:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | ah. Well, you can still have the backend stuffed away somewhere... |
| [00:00:58] | wagnerrp: | put it in a closet |
| [00:01:02] | wagnerrp: | put it in a washroom |
| [00:01:08] | wagnerrp: | put it in your attic |
| [00:01:09] | nichos: | id love to do that, if there was something real simple for the front end, like the WD HD TV, fanless, diskless, etc |
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| [00:01:31] | nichos: | i really don't want to run 2 cpu's 24/7 |
| [00:01:40] | wagnerrp: | so turn the frontend off when youre not using it |
| [00:01:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ exactly. The frontends are only on when viewing... |
| [00:02:06] | nichos: | hmmm....that might work |
| [00:02:14] | nichos: | SSD for the front end |
| [00:02:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | And the backend *can* be setup to power-off and wake up as necessary. [I don't do that, but many folks do] |
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| [00:02:25] | nichos: | where would you put the big cpu? front or back end? |
| [00:02:27] | wagnerrp: | a modern computer with a good amount of memory and onboard (or no) graphics is only going to run 30–50W idling |
| [00:02:32] | wagnerrp: | both |
| [00:02:42] | wagnerrp: | just run the backend diskless |
| [00:02:56] | wagnerrp: | get nice dual core non-atom processors |
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| [00:03:02] | wagnerrp: | use a mini-itx board for the frontend |
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| [00:03:15] | wagnerrp: | get a decent heatsink |
| [00:03:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: Big cpu on backend = faster commercial detection. Faster cpu on the frontend = better video playback performance/ overall better [faster] experience. ;-) |
| [00:03:27] | wagnerrp: | maybe a bit of fabrication on the case such that the heatsink can be external |
| [00:03:40] | soulknife: | Is it legal to set up a mythTV box to record my cableTV? |
| [00:04:09] | wagnerrp: | soulknife: short answer, yes |
| [00:04:19] | wagnerrp: | long answer... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._of_Am . . . tudios,_Inc. |
| [00:04:53] | nichos: | i do my commercial detection overnight. So the monster should be on the front end? (lag in switching chans, etc)? |
| [00:05:17] | nichos: | i have an older athlon (which im using now) and a newer 4 core w/8gb ram |
| [00:05:18] | wagnerrp: | nichos: for the frontend, you want a processor capable of handling any content you may want to watch in software |
| [00:05:27] | soulknife: | so I got another one for you guys then |
| [00:05:38] | wagnerrp: | such that if hardware decoding fails, you always have something to fall back on |
| [00:05:52] | soulknife: | so making a backup of a DVD u legally own is legal as long as your are not breaking CSS, right? |
| [00:06:10] | wagnerrp: | any modern dual core Athlon II or Core 2/i is plenty fast |
| [00:06:21] | soulknife: | can't I just hook a normal DVD player up to mythTV and have it record that? |
| [00:06:32] | [R]: | soulknife: how do you backup a dvd w/o decrypting hte css? |
| [00:06:43] | [R]: | soulknife: if you want it to look liek crap |
| [00:06:45] | wagnerrp: | soulknife: making backups of dvds you legally own for personal use is perfectly legal as per fair use precedent |
| [00:06:59] | wagnerrp: | distributing software capable of breaking CSS without proper licensing is not legal |
| [00:07:07] | nichos: | let me tell you what I got: 1-an older athlon w/2gb of ram, and a new phonom (4core) with 8gb ram and nvidia 210. Havent bought any drives yet. You suggesting I split them, putting the athlon on the back end? |
| [00:07:27] | soulknife: | [R], how would it look like crap |
| [00:07:31] | wagnerrp: | nichos: put the phenom on the backend |
| [00:07:42] | soulknife: | [R], sure it would be standard def, but that's fine for viewing from a distance |
| [00:07:49] | wagnerrp: | but the older athlon and the GT210 on the frontend |
| [00:07:52] | wagnerrp: | s/but/put/ |
| [00:08:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | The older Athlon mb may not have PCIe ;-) |
| [00:08:10] | [R]: | soulknife: because you're going to take something digital... decode it into analog than capturing over analog (which sucks)... and than reencoding into digital |
| [00:08:29] | wagnerrp: | they made non-pcie athlons? |
| [00:08:32] | nichos: | wagnerrp – really? what does it get me on the backend? Commercial detection & ??? Top always says frontend is the killer |
| [00:08:37] | soulknife: | [R], would it work though? |
| [00:08:39] | nichos: | jeff – it does:) |
| [00:08:42] | [R]: | soulknife: of course it would |
| [00:08:52] | [R]: | soulknife: but why jump through all those hoops when yuou can jsut ruip it on the computer to begin with |
| [00:08:57] | wagnerrp: | nichos: file servers can use the memory far more than the frontend |
| [00:09:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Oh, maybe not. I have an XP 2500+ – was thinking it was an Athlon for a moment. DOH! [sorry!] |
| [00:09:11] | soulknife: | [R], because that's a legal grey area atm |
| [00:09:24] | wagnerrp: | and you dont need, and cant use, the power of a quad core on a frontend |
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| [00:09:43] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: youre right, he never said it was an ath64 |
| [00:09:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: that is, my 'wintel' box is an old AMD Athlon XP 2500+ <-- Yeah, it is an Athlon - ;-) |
| [00:09:48] | [R]: | soulknife: as wagnerrp stated... fair use... no one is gonna knock on your door and ask if you've been backing up your dvds for personal use |
| [00:10:27] | soulknife: | [R], breaking css to my knowledge isn't okay yet |
| [00:10:29] | wagnerrp: | soulknife: if they were ever going to go after anyone for ripping their own DVDs for personal use, they would have attempted it some time in the past decade that it was possible |
| [00:10:41] | nichos: | ok, lots to think about! I was going to combine the 2, but maybe not now |
| [00:10:43] | wagnerrp: | its not worth their time |
| [00:10:48] | wagnerrp: | and worse, they will lose the case |
| [00:10:49] | ** nichos is as confused as a baby in a topless bar ** | |
| [00:11:01] | soulknife: | wagnerrp, how would they lose the case? |
| [00:11:28] | soulknife: | wagnerrp, companies have gone under cause of the absurd dmca laws |
| [00:11:32] | wagnerrp: | because it violates the rights of the purchaser |
| [00:11:43] | nichos: | oh, 1 more quick question – are there any devices that you can flash frontend to, like wd hd live, etc? |
| [00:11:54] | wagnerrp: | the purchaser has the right to do whatever they want with that disk and the content on it short of duplicating and distributing it |
| [00:12:11] | [R]: | nichos: myth frontend requires a real cpu |
| [00:12:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: no. ^^ |
| [00:12:34] | soulknife: | wagnerrp, that's not what the DMCA says though.... |
| [00:12:36] | [R]: | nichos: but you can use upnp with one of those devices |
| [00:12:44] | nichos: | appleTV?:) I keeed I keeed! |
| [00:13:06] | wagnerrp: | soulknife: the DMCA has clauses that allow breaking of DRM for interoperability |
| [00:13:06] | [R]: | nichos: they have myth compiled for osx... |
| [00:13:13] | nichos: | [r] but that won't get you the full experience, just recorderings, right? |
| [00:13:20] | [R]: | nichos: what else do you need? |
| [00:13:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | nichos: Actually, the v1 AppleTV can run a frontend. ;-) |
| [00:13:47] | kormoc: | a horrible frontend |
| [00:13:55] | wagnerrp: | soulknife: you are allowed to break DRM however you want for personal use |
| [00:14:06] | nichos: | [r] we use it for everything, not just recordings |
| [00:14:13] | nichos: | watching live tv too |
| [00:14:13] | wagnerrp: | you are not allowed to distribute anything protected by DRM, unless a contract by the content owner otherwise allows it |
| [00:14:20] | [R]: | nichos: yeha, you can't do livetv over upnp currently |
| [00:14:24] | [R]: | nichos: but livetv is lame |
| [00:14:25] | soulknife: | wagnerrp, but the issue is i'd need to use libdvdcss and doesn't the DMCA state under title 17 that you cannot transport any program or part of that circumvents copy protection? |
| [00:14:36] | wagnerrp: | similarly, you are not allowed to distribute methods of breaking DRM, unless a contract by the content owner otherwise allows it |
| [00:14:57] | nichos: | [r] I'll tell my gf you said so;) |
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| [00:15:22] | nichos: | well, thaks for everything guys |
| [00:15:31] | wagnerrp: | soulknife: the developer faces charges for distributing libdvdcss, the user does not face charges for using it |
| [00:15:35] | [R]: | nichos: i have a cable box hooked up to the tv i use with upnp |
| [00:15:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | !seen mzb |
| [00:15:35] | MythLogBot: | mzb is here and has been idle for 2 days 9 hours 23 minutes 3 seconds |
| [00:15:42] | wagnerrp: | however mythtv does not distribute anything |
| [00:15:47] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not handle DRM in any manner |
| [00:15:48] | mzb: | !!! |
| [00:15:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | ah, he's alive! ;-) |
| [00:15:59] | mzb: | gday J-e-f-f-A |
| [00:16:00] | wagnerrp: | !seen mzb |
| [00:16:00] | MythLogBot: | mzb is here and has been idle for 1 second |
| [00:16:01] | nichos: | [r] my only tuners are the hdhr |
| [00:16:01] | soulknife: | wagnerrp, so it's fine for us to dl and use it? |
| [00:16:26] | [R]: | nichos: and? |
| [00:16:35] | wagnerrp: | soulknife: if you download and use it for purchased content for personal use only, there is no case against you |
| [00:16:36] | [R]: | nichos: than yo can plug the tv straight into the input |
| [00:17:22] | nichos: | i'll either do an all in 1 monster machine, or a small frontend w/the big backend |
| [00:17:29] | nichos: | gotta ponder now.... |
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| [00:18:00] | nichos: | thanks again all |
| [00:18:05] | wagnerrp: | soulknife: the interoperability clause protects the user taking those options |
| [00:18:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: How'd you like my case mod? ;-) |
| [00:18:26] | wagnerrp: | which is why if a user was ever charged for such actions, the case would be lost |
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| [00:18:42] | mzb: | J-e-f-f-A: I'm on pain-killers ... which mod? |
| [00:18:46] | wagnerrp: | which would set dangerous legal precedent that content owners never want to see |
| [00:18:51] | wagnerrp: | hence, they will never try to do so |
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| [00:19:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: Ah, hope you're ok. ;-) I added an additional 5.25" bay for my Burner... since the 3x5 hot-swap bays took up all 'standard' 6 5.25" bays in my case... ;-) I PM'd you info. |
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| [00:20:39] | mzb: | I had an issue with irc a while ago (bloody father), so pm closed |
| [00:20:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: It came out pretty good I think... http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/case_mod/ |
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| [00:21:30] | mzb: | nice |
| [00:21:43] | mzb: | very hard to get cuts like that to look neat (by hand) |
| [00:22:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: The only thing I have to tidy up is that the blank plate I put the USB/FW/Audio ports on doesn't have any screw holes – it relies on friction to hold it in place (being a blank plate) – so I've got to |
| [00:22:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | 'adapt' it with some screws to fit in place. |
| [00:23:04] | mzb: | ah |
| [00:23:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: I was super-careful with the front panel... rough-cut it to size with the dremel with a metal cutting disc, then finished it off by hand with a file... I must have measured things 5 or 6 times, and then marked everything up with Masking tape... |
| [00:25:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: The tray itself was a 'donor' from an older dell computer. it actually extended another 6" or so- I cut it off and only the front is holding the drive now – which is fine, since the drive itself is quite light, and it could easily hold a couple of pounds now. ;-) |
| [00:25:14] | mzb: | yep ... takes me hours to do with a needle file ... can't rush it if you want it to look nice |
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| [00:28:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: I tried to switch over to my new MB/CPU/Ram yesterday – and things went south when the new MB's SATA controllers conflicted with the Adaptec SCSI controller... (Seems they both wanted the same interrupts, and that confused the system to the point it would shut down the SCSI controller...) |
| [00:28:59] | RomioTango: | can anyone tell me off the top of their heads what speed a sata bluray driver would be operating at .. 1.5, 3.0, or 6.0 |
| [00:29:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: That would be fine, except that's where I put my mysql database – on the 146GB 10KRPM Ultra360 SCSI drive... DOH! |
| [00:30:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | RomioTango: I just got a BD-R drive, but haven't burned any BD-R's on it yet – only DVD-R's so far... so I don't know... [sorry, I'm of no use today!] |
| [00:30:24] | mzb: | change in BIOS, or specify controller params in kernel cmd? |
| [00:30:32] | mzb: | (boot params) |
| [00:30:50] | RomioTango: | J-e-f-f-A, what range of sata port did you hook it to tho |
| [00:31:01] | Crys: | J-e-f-f-A: you might be able to reconfigure some of your hardware to use MSI. That helped me to get around some interrupt issues with my graphics card and DVB card. |
| [00:31:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: Perhaps – I worked on it for several hours, the conceded and pulled the new MB and switched back to my old MB/CPU for now. |
| [00:31:22] | wagnerrp: | RomioTango: i dont think it matters, since its not going to approach the bandwidth limits of any of them |
| [00:31:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | RomioTango: I don't follow you – it's on a SATA II port. |
| [00:31:32] | Crys: | J-e-f-f-A: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Message_Signaled_Interrupts |
| [00:31:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | Crys: Thanks – yeah, it was yelling about IRQ errors on IRQ 13. |
| [00:31:58] | RomioTango: | alright that answers my question J-e-f-f-A and wagnerrp thats what i assumed |
| [00:32:15] | RomioTango: | wouldn't think that an optical drive could push 1.5gps |
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| [00:32:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | RomioTango: My writer is a 10x writer, but as noted, I haven't burned any BR disks yet. |
| [00:32:35] | mzb: | module params |
| [00:33:00] | mzb: | you *may* also (or instead) need to specify those params for the initrd |
| [00:33:17] | RomioTango: | J-e-f-f-A, I'm less worried about the x* factor with reading/writing.. was curious as to whether or not I should give up one of my 3.0/6.0 ports or just plug it into the open 1.5s |
| [00:33:27] | wagnerrp: | sphery: my terminal starts with a '>' |
| [00:33:44] | Crys: | J-e-f-f-A: 13? Isn't that an old ISA interrupt? I thought modern PCI cards can use other, higher interrupts numbers. |
| [00:33:54] | wagnerrp: | RomioTango: they still make 1g controllers? |
| [00:34:29] | RomioTango: | well I think.. this mother board has (2) 1.5s but I could be mistaken |
| [00:34:52] | RomioTango: | it has (6) 3.0/6.0 ports and I can't remember if the last (2) are 1.5 or 3.0 |
| [00:35:20] | RomioTango: | I have the (6) 3.0/6.0 taken by internal hdds and e-sata connections |
| [00:36:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | Crys: I dunno – it's a PCI-X Adaptec ASC-39320A in a 'standard' PCI slot. Works perfect on my current MB (which has 6 on-board SATA ports, and I have a 4-port fakeraid card too), but on the new MB, it boots, and things seem OK, until I actually start to access data on the SCSI drive, then all h-e-double-hockeysticks breaks loose – and within about a minute the access to the drive & controller cease to operate, with tons of errors in d |
| [00:36:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | mesg... |
| [00:36:29] | mzb: | ooh: http://www.smarthome.com.au/hometheatre/htpc-keyboard.php |
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| [00:37:35] | Crys: | J-e-f-f-A: what a mess ... I know from experience that some cards don't like some slots. Have you tried other PCI slots? |
| [00:38:11] | Crys: | mzb: cute |
| [00:38:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | Crys: yeah, the new MB only has two PCI slots – I tried both. So the long-term fix is to either move my DB back on to a SATA drive, or perhaps pick up a PCIe U320 controller... ;-) |
| [00:39:32] | mzb: | hmm ... think I'll stick with the wii-remote for controlling the "loungetv" |
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| [00:39:49] | wagnerrp: | mzb: i like how it functions as a mouse like a wiimote, except its completely not like a wiimote in every manner |
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| [00:40:01] | mzb: | yeah |
| [00:40:02] | mzb: | http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . MVI_1243.avi |
| [00:40:33] | Crys: | That reminds me, I have to re-braze a sensor bar for USB powered. |
| [00:40:46] | mzb: | I've modified mine so that it's got 2x 2400mAh AA NiMH ... and it sits in a _single_ charger |
| [00:41:09] | wagnerrp: | mzb: is that your stuff or using system events? |
| [00:41:28] | mzb: | that was prior to system events |
| [00:41:32] | mzb: | http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . etv_full.jpg |
| [00:41:41] | mzb: | ^^ there's the remote to the right of the screen |
| [00:42:14] | mzb: | been using that wii for >1yr now ... can't live without it ;) |
| [00:42:27] | Crys: | I've bought a third party sensor bar for a few bucks. It should be trivial to get it working on 5V and a 200, 300 mA with a different set of resistors. |
| [00:43:01] | wagnerrp: | Crys: simple enough to build your own with a couple bucks worth of LEDs from your local electronics store |
| [00:43:11] | mzb: | the -only- problem I have with it is that the charger pulses ... the result being that the LCD display goes dim every now and then |
| [00:44:00] | wagnerrp: | speaking of sensor bar, i dont see one there mzb |
| [00:44:01] | Crys: | wagnerrp: True, but I don't have the equipment at home to build a nice case around them. |
| [00:44:05] | mzb: | wagnerrp: I now use system events to notify the "house events server" that something is being watched/paused/stop |
| [00:44:07] | wagnerrp: | you hide it behind the speaker grill? |
| [00:44:11] | mzb: | no ... don't use the sensor |
| [00:44:21] | mzb: | just the buttons |
| [00:44:21] | wagnerrp: | Crys: but you can hide it anywhere, like behind a speaker grille |
| [00:44:50] | mzb: | used to use pywii (?), but too much of a pain ... just using wminput now |
| [00:44:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | Crys: I have a handful of 10Krpm U320 SCSI drives that I'd love to put to use... Although I hadn't put them on my myth box because I don't want to saturate the PCI bus... (PCI has up to 133MB/s bandwidth, but PCI-X goes up to 1,064MB/s – ie: 8x faster) |
| [00:45:25] | wagnerrp: | PCI-X goes up to 4GB/s |
| [00:45:39] | wagnerrp: | 64-bit, 533MHz |
| [00:45:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: ah. There I go trusting a wikipedia article. ;-) They said it was 133Mhz. ;-) |
| [00:45:59] | Crys: | wagnerrp: I thought of that, but I don't want to open my TV and the speakers are too far apart. The center speaker of stereo is too small. |
| [00:46:30] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: its still a 133MHz clock rate, but it can be dual and quad pumped |
| [00:47:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah... DDR/QDR ;-) |
| [00:47:36] | Crys: | J-e-f-f-A: 10k? Sounds load to me. Are they still selling SCSI drives? I haven't installed one in years. All new storages at work either have SAS or SATA drivers |
| [00:48:10] | wagnerrp: | i bought a pair of 80GB 10K U320 drives about 5 years back |
| [00:48:29] | wagnerrp: | surplus, $45 each since they were trying to get rid of old stock |
| [00:48:35] | wagnerrp: | both died within 6 months |
| [00:48:45] | wagnerrp: | dont know if i cooked them or what |
| [00:49:14] | mzb: | wow ... new channel starting here tomorrow ... glad I noticed that |
| [00:49:30] | mzb: | (then again, being classed as 'rural' (re tv) we probably won't get it!) |
| [00:49:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | Crys: 10K RPM. I've got a pair of 73GB drives, and about 8 146GB drives. ;-) Would make a great foundation for a Raid 10 [for Mysql] and a Raid 1 [for the OS] ... ;-) |
| [00:49:43] | wagnerrp: | mzb: havent been following the mailing list? |
| [00:50:06] | Crys: | At work we are currently replacing 48 drives that are about three years old. The first started dying a couple of months ago. |
| [00:50:07] | wagnerrp: | couple days ago, someone mentioned it with the nearly bannable offense of using the title 'he11o' |
| [00:50:31] | ** J-e-f-f-A pulls up a browser to see the mailing list messages... ** | |
| [00:50:36] | wagnerrp: | yeah, youve got a new channel 11, speak freakin' english |
| [00:50:58] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2011 . . . /307240.html |
| [00:51:40] | mzb: | I don't monitor the mythtv mailing lists re channel data |
| [00:51:43] | wagnerrp: | 'im going to be cute and add numbers to my words, because thats what all l33t people do' |
| [00:51:45] | Crys: | On the other hand we'll get about 50 TB extra space by replacing the old 1 TB drives with new 2 TB drives. |
| [00:52:25] | mzb: | btw, "Channel 11' is part of "Network Ten" ;) |
| [00:52:47] | wagnerrp: | well, then hel10! |
| [00:53:03] | mzb: | ah! ... it appears on my scan ... better set it up |
| [00:54:49] | mzb: | let's hope it's enabled in the grabber for my region |
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| [00:57:08] | mzb: | wagnerrp: ps it's called "ELEVEN" |
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| [00:59:37] | rooaus: | mzb: Starts broadcasting new content Tuesday, think eit still shows One programming though. |
| [00:59:51] | mzb: | thanks rooaus |
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| [01:00:07] | rooaus: | np |
| [01:00:14] | mzb: | I was just setting up shep. Thinking about mailing the list and asking them to enable it for 88 |
| [01:00:19] | mzb: | definitely scans ok |
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| [01:05:53] | mzb: | rooaus: according to ebroadcast the content != One |
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| [01:38:01] | rooaus: | Just checked EIT via TV, seems they have finally started broadcasting Eleven programming. Been keeping an eye on it as Calafornication in on Tues night. |
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| [01:58:38] | Ba-Zinga: | I just re-installed my os/mythtv and restored my previous database.. after doing this my frontend can no longer connect to the backend. when i restored my old db would it have changed my password to the old db's password? |
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| [02:00:33] | tank-man: | is your frontend and backend on different machines? |
| [02:00:58] | [R]: | Ba-Zinga: what is the error in the log... |
| [02:01:00] | Ba-Zinga: | no sir |
| [02:02:23] | Ba-Zinga: | [R]... |
| [02:02:24] | Ba-Zinga: | 2011-01–09 21:01:01.281 MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.0.200:6543 (try 1 of 1) |
| [02:02:24] | Ba-Zinga: | 2011-01–09 21:01:01.282 Connection to master server timed out. |
| [02:02:24] | Ba-Zinga: | Either the server is down or the master server settings |
| [02:02:24] | Ba-Zinga: | in mythtv-settings does not contain the proper IP address |
| [02:02:26] | Ba-Zinga: | 2011-01–09 21:01:06.282 MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.0.200:6543 (try 1 of 1) |
| [02:02:28] | Ba-Zinga: | 2011-01–09 21:01:06.282 Connection to master server timed out. |
| [02:02:30] | Ba-Zinga: | Either the server is down or the master server settings |
| [02:02:32] | Ba-Zinga: | in mythtv-settings does not contain the proper IP address |
| [02:02:35] | Ba-Zinga: | 2011-01–09 21:01:08.072 MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.0.200:6543 (try 1 of 1) |
| [02:02:36] | Ba-Zinga: | 2011-01–09 21:01:08.072 Connection to master server timed out. |
| [02:02:38] | Ba-Zinga: | Either the server is down or the master server settings |
| [02:02:40] | Ba-Zinga: | in mythtv-settings does not contain the proper IP address |
| [02:02:42] | Ba-Zinga: | 2011-01–09 21:01:11.148 Deleting UPnP client... |
| [02:02:44] | Ba-Zinga: | crap sorry |
| [02:03:05] | [R]: | Ba-Zinga: well there you go... fix it |
| [02:04:06] | Ba-Zinga: | whats the error? |
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| [02:04:26] | Beirdo: | ummm, first error...not using pastebin |
| [02:04:32] | [R]: | Ba-Zinga: the thing you pasted like 5 0times... |
| [02:04:39] | Beirdo: | second error... read the messages :) |
| [02:05:05] | Ba-Zinga: | yes but the backend is running and the box's ip is *.200 |
| [02:06:19] | knightr: | Beirdo, Hi! FYI Fedora 14 has analog support for the HVR-2250 in its current kernel... Just found out yesterday and it was confirmed by somebody I'm helping today... |
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| [02:06:54] | Beirdo: | yay :) |
| [02:07:05] | Shadow__X: | J-e-f-f-A: ping |
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| [02:07:07] | knightr: | yep, finally... :) |
| [02:07:13] | wagnerrp: | wonder if that is j-rod's doing |
| [02:07:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: Pong. ;-) |
| [02:07:16] | Beirdo: | someone send j-rod a virtual beer |
| [02:07:23] | Beirdo: | betcha it is |
| [02:07:32] | mzb: | Ba-Zinga: check to see what mythbackend is listening on (ie: 0.0.0.0, 192.168.0.200, or 127.0.0.1) |
| [02:07:40] | [R]: | sweet |
| [02:07:46] | [R]: | i'm finally done with my IR detection code |
| [02:07:54] | knightr: | wagnerrp, Beirdo, I wouldn't be surprised that it was j-rod's doing... :) |
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| [02:15:36] | knightr: | BTW, any idea why 6543 would end up being set in mysql.txt for DBport? |
| [02:15:46] | wagnerrp: | ignorant user |
| [02:16:02] | knightr: | he doesn't even know what 6543 is... |
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| [02:16:33] | wagnerrp: | doesnt matter, thats the only way it would get set as such |
| [02:16:36] | wagnerrp: | he had to manually do it |
| [02:16:46] | Beirdo: | yeah. |
| [02:16:51] | wagnerrp: | either that, or someone writing installer scripts who shouldnt be |
| [02:17:41] | knightr: | hmm, that's the mythtv packages from Atrpms... |
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| [02:19:52] | Beirdo: | Hahah |
| [02:20:01] | Beirdo: | Can't locate Image/Magick.pm in @INC |
| [02:20:24] | Beirdo: | seems some new mnv scripts require more prereqs |
| [02:20:51] | Beirdo: | let me try that again with proper logging |
| [02:23:21] | knightr: | Does a remote frontend still needs NFS (or any other type of sharing) to access the videos from the backend or is there another way now? |
| [02:23:55] | wagnerrp: | no, all videos can be accessed over storage groups |
| [02:23:56] | knightr: | (I setted up NFS but is that still needed?) |
| [02:23:56] | wagnerrp: | music and photos still need nFS |
| [02:24:30] | knightr: | hmm, so it knows where they come from and stream them? |
| [02:24:51] | wagnerrp: | if you set it up that way, yes |
| [02:25:01] | wagnerrp: | s/that way/the proper way/ |
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| [02:25:40] | knightr: | anything particular to set? I already have storage groups) |
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| [02:25:56] | wagnerrp: | you have your content defined in the Videos storage group? |
| [02:26:06] | knightr: | yep |
| [02:26:11] | wagnerrp: | then thats all you need |
| [02:26:21] | wagnerrp: | when mythvideo scans, it will scan those directories on the backend |
| [02:26:38] | wagnerrp: | or if youre running trunk, mythvideo will tell the backend to scan those directories itself |
| [02:26:45] | ** Solarion is planning on getting TV shows from a different country ** | |
| [02:26:48] | knightr: | OK, thank Raymond, I'll try it again, must have done something wrong the last time I tried... |
| [02:27:12] | knightr: | yep, running trunk/master... |
| [02:27:17] | knightr: | thanks, ttyl! |
| [02:27:21] | wagnerrp: | night |
| [02:27:29] | Solarion: | so the backend will need to send the shows over a consumer-level Inetrnet connection |
| [02:27:43] | Solarion: | how is this to be accomplished, given that the shows are generally streamed or accessed over e.g. NFS? |
| [02:27:57] | knightr: | good night! |
| [02:28:02] | Solarion: | knightr: n8 |
| [02:28:03] | wagnerrp: | set up a VPN, connect the remote frontend as a slave backend |
| [02:28:19] | Solarion: | I grok that much; I'm more concerned about the bandwidht issues |
| [02:28:37] | Solarion: | the issue I see is that consumer upload speeds suck and are likely to be a sticking point |
| [02:28:52] | wagnerrp: | which is why such behavior has never been supported |
| [02:28:55] | Solarion: | is there existing support for auto-discovering new shows and downloading them locally? |
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| [02:29:12] | wagnerrp: | beside the otherwise legal issues of sharing content between two detached homes |
| [02:29:33] | wagnerrp: | autodiscovering new shows and downloading them? |
| [02:29:42] | Solarion: | yes |
| [02:30:03] | Solarion: | e.g. a satellite backend perhaps |
| [02:30:08] | Solarion: | mirror backend |
| [02:30:16] | wagnerrp: | no, such a setup is not supported |
| [02:30:29] | Solarion: | and all such patches will be rejected? |
| [02:30:43] | wagnerrp: | and as mentioned, because of possible legal issues, it is one that has been intentionally avoided |
| [02:30:51] | Solarion: | that kinda sucks |
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| [02:31:05] | Solarion: | was hoping to get to watch my shows while away |
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| [02:31:26] | wagnerrp: | why do you need a 'satellite backend' for that? |
| [02:31:37] | Solarion: | because of the aformentioned bandwidth bottleneck |
| [02:31:52] | wagnerrp: | so have them automatically transcode to a usable bandwidth |
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| [02:32:00] | wagnerrp: | or set up rsync to manage it overnight |
| [02:32:13] | wagnerrp: | or use the flash streaming in mythweb |
| [02:32:22] | Solarion: | ideally, the frontend would mark a show as requested and it would download the data and show it as ready to play |
| [02:32:57] | Solarion: | rsync is something I was wondering about |
| [02:33:15] | Solarion: | it looks like the files can be mounted over the network via eg. NFS |
| [02:33:23] | Solarion: | does it *have* to be NFS mounted? |
| [02:33:27] | wagnerrp: | or you can set up an rsync server |
| [02:34:11] | Solarion: | mythtv supports fetching the file from an rsync server |
| [02:34:12] | Solarion: | ? |
| [02:34:23] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [02:34:32] | Solarion: | I'd rsync the files locally |
| [02:34:36] | wagnerrp: | you would have to use rsync for that |
| [02:35:36] | Solarion: | so the basic scenario is fetching the episode data via rsync to a local drive and then playing it back |
| [02:35:40] | Solarion: | ? |
| [02:36:04] | wagnerrp: | seems the easiest solution |
| [02:36:13] | Solarion: | yes indeed; that should do adequately |
| [02:36:19] | Solarion: | can a show have different resolutions? |
| [02:36:38] | wagnerrp: | planned for the near future, but not at current |
| [02:36:44] | Solarion: | e.g. a large original and a low-bandwidth streamable version |
| [02:36:44] | Solarion: | nice |
| [02:36:52] | Solarion: | right; this sounds chock full o' awesome |
| [02:37:08] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: lsyncd :) |
| [02:37:16] | wagnerrp: | lsync? |
| [02:37:39] | Beirdo: | it uses rsync with changed files or something liket that |
| [02:37:43] | highzeth: | why not tricle rsync via ssh? |
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| [02:38:12] | Solarion: | "tric[k]le rsync"? |
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| [02:38:50] | highzeth: | yes |
| [02:39:00] | Solarion: | fwiw, I had a mythtv box a long, long time ago: Pentium II 450MHz. Thanks for making that possible. |
| [02:39:09] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to trickling rsync without the tunnel? |
| [02:39:12] | Solarion: | (sadly, the box died and I couldn't afford to replace it) |
| [02:39:49] | highzeth: | wagnerrp: as opposed to setting up a rsyncd instance, yeah. Most people run sshd on a backend, no? |
| [02:40:00] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [02:40:17] | Solarion: | highzeth: is my plan, although VPN will be needed for sql access (from what I've read in the docs) |
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| [02:40:26] | wagnerrp: | i guess that works like sftp? |
| [02:40:28] | Solarion: | unless there's a way to tunnel SQL access through the SSH proxy |
| [02:40:37] | Solarion: | maybe with -L |
| [02:40:46] | Chaorain: | Hey, I can't seem to watch DVDs in Mythtv but VLC works just fine. Here is my front end log. http://mythtv.pastebin.com/du5epWYH |
| [02:40:53] | wagnerrp: | where you log in over ssh, and run a remote rsync instance which dumps to stdout? |
| [02:41:00] | Chaorain: | any help would be apreciated |
| [02:41:02] | Solarion: | wagnerrp: rsycn --rsh=ssh |
| [02:41:17] | Solarion: | or rsync, even. that might work better. |
| [02:41:23] | highzeth: | wagnerrp: not used sftp much, but rsync over ssh is rsync in all its glory |
| [02:41:30] | kormoc: | what's the difference between rsync --bwlimit=x ? |
| [02:41:36] | kormoc: | (and it) |
| [02:41:54] | Solarion: | highzeth: what is "trickle rsync"? |
| [02:42:21] | kormoc: | trickle is a just a tcp/ip rate limiter you can chain onto things |
| [02:42:26] | wagnerrp: | Chaorain: sounds like you have your device node set wrong |
| [02:42:29] | Solarion: | ah |
| [02:42:40] | kormoc: | Tho I fail to understand why you wouldn't just use the built in rate limiter in rsync |
| [02:42:54] | Chaorain: | wagnerrp: Allright, what do I change it to and how? |
| [02:42:58] | wagnerrp: | in mythvideo setup in the frontend, there is an option to specify which device is your dvd player |
| [02:43:12] | wagnerrp: | you need to find out what device node in /dev is your dvd drive |
| [02:43:16] | highzeth: | Solarion: you said the source/satellite backend had a low upload speed, why I used trickle |
| [02:43:47] | Solarion: | highzeth: is a very good idea; thanks |
| [02:43:55] | highzeth: | kormoc: of course using rsync's own speed limit is the way to go. =) |
| [02:44:32] | ** Solarion is looking forward to getting this going ** | |
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| [02:44:57] | highzeth: | Solarion: rsync "whatever commands you need" -e ssh 'whatever ssh commands are needed port/encryption etc' src dest ..works wonders |
| [02:45:29] | Solarion: | highzeth: nice; I've always just used --rsh=ssh |
| [02:45:38] | Solarion: | to date, my needs have been modest |
| [02:45:59] | Chaorain: | wagnerrp: sweet, that did the trick |
| [02:46:16] | highzeth: | might work, I've used the above in various setups for years. You get all the good of rsync via existing sshd's =) |
| [02:46:19] | Crys: | I don't even use the -e ssh argument. rsync defaults to ssh protocol if you use user@host:/path |
| [02:46:37] | Chaorain: | wagnerrp: while I have you I messed up my tv listings. How do I clear it and re populate it? |
| [02:46:51] | wagnerrp: | truncate table program; |
| [02:47:52] | Solarion: | what distro would you all recommend for mythtv? |
| [02:48:18] | Crys: | At least on all modern boxes that install rsh as an alias for ssh. |
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| [02:48:25] | highzeth: | Crys: I seem to recall something about non-default sshd port when I started using rsync in backup setups many moons ago. With -e 'ssh -p etcetc that was solved easily |
| [02:48:27] | Chaorain: | wagnerrp: ok, is there a specific program and does it come with Mythtv? |
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| [02:48:35] | wagnerrp: | mysql |
| [02:49:05] | Crys: | highzeth: right, but I prefer to config non standard ports and users in my ~/.ssh/config |
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| [02:49:43] | wagnerrp: | mysql -umythtv -pmythtv -e 'truncate table program' mythconverg |
| [02:50:19] | Crys: | Chaorain: or phpmyadmin |
| [02:50:31] | highzeth: | Crys: ok, my initial need was backup of some 50 boxes with various ports, made it easier to maintain. Our need varies =) |
| [02:50:54] | Chaorain: | wagnerrp: so that should kill my listings? then I just repopulate? |
| [02:51:07] | wagnerrp: | that will delete all your existing guide data |
| [02:51:35] | Chaorain: | should I stop Myth tv first? |
| [02:52:03] | wagnerrp: | then run 'mythfilldatabase --refresh-all' |
| [02:52:12] | wagnerrp: | do you have any shows set to record in the near term? |
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| [02:52:52] | Chaorain: | I can kill them easilly enough |
| [02:53:22] | Crys: | highzeth: praise that lord that OSS makes it so easy to satisfy different needs. |
| [02:53:27] | Chaorain: | actually not for 1 hour |
| [02:54:23] | highzeth: | I praise the devs, and leave religion to the believers |
| [02:54:56] | wagnerrp: | so pizzledizzle cant even hate with proper spelling? |
| [02:56:04] | Crys: | I believe in good, well tested code. |
| [02:56:40] | Chaorain: | wagnerrp: um its asking for a password. Should I use root? |
| [02:57:18] | wagnerrp: | the command i gave you included the default password used in the documentation |
| [02:57:39] | wagnerrp: | if that password is not accepted, look in your ~/.mythtv/config.xml to find the proper password |
| [02:57:43] | JEDIDIAH__: | he seems to be confusing Forbes with GQ. |
| [02:57:55] | wagnerrp: | the '-pmythtv' bit, 'mythtv' is the default password |
| [02:57:58] | Solarion: | JEDIDIAH__: hej |
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| [03:00:29] | Crys: | I don't tolerate any kind of hatred — racist, religious or sexual. I'm going to report him to an op. |
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| [03:01:16] | wagnerrp: | what about hatred of people who have sex with animals? |
| [03:01:21] | Chaorain: | wagnerrp: looks like that did it |
| [03:02:27] | Crys: | now you are nit picking ;) I'm absolutely sure you understand me right. |
| [03:03:07] | kormoc: | who are you reporting? |
| [03:03:36] | Crys: | kormoc: check out pizzledizzle leave message |
| [03:03:40] | Crys: | 's |
| [03:04:17] | kormoc: | not sure how that's really a hate message |
| [03:04:19] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [03:04:20] | highzeth: | ahhh, I have join/leave hidden, explains why I felt left out =) |
| [03:04:27] | Chaorain: | wagnerrp: THANK YOU! All is right with the world now |
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| [03:07:10] | highzeth: | ugh 04:04, time to find that ol' bed. nighty |
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| [03:21:36] | Solarion: | wagnerrp: thanks again for the conversation; it was very informative. |
| [03:24:15] | wagnerrp: | steveybaby2-master? |
| [03:26:43] | kormoc: | Yeah, some guy forked, fixed and submitted a pull request |
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| [03:29:36] | dewman: | Checking out the jamu.log I notice quite a few entries that say it cant find the database login credentials however looking at config.xml everything seems to be correct, here is the paste of the log http://pastebin.com/mpeHZP3t |
| [03:30:29] | wagnerrp: | that is the config.xml in /home/mythtv/.mythtv ? |
| [03:30:51] | dewman: | yep... I will doublce check it again. |
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| [03:34:22] | dewman: | ahh....I must have made a symlink to that file in a different location. Not sure why I did that....That could be my issue |
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| [03:42:09] | Solarion: | I'm looking at the WinTV-HVR-2250 on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Analog_Hardware_Encoder_Cards I'm guessing the columns are inputs |
| [03:42:41] | Solarion: | which input is "component"? |
| [03:43:03] | wagnerrp: | the input that accepts component video |
| [03:43:31] | wagnerrp: | specifically, the one broken out into three coaxial cables colored red, green, and blue |
| [03:43:54] | Solarion: | aaah, right |
| [03:43:59] | wagnerrp: | for the brightness and two color channels |
| [03:44:01] | Solarion: | which one is the cable input? |
| [03:44:25] | wagnerrp: | all of them have cable inputs |
| [03:44:34] | wagnerrp: | except the ones at the bottom that say 'capture only' |
| [03:44:42] | wagnerrp: | capture only, as opposed to having a tuner |
| [03:44:47] | Solarion: | k |
| [03:44:58] | Solarion: | there's a bit of conflicting info about it |
| [03:45:21] | Solarion: | the driver itself in 2.6.37 reports "ATSC/QAM (TDA18271/S5H1411) and basic analog, MCE CIR, FM " |
| [03:45:38] | wagnerrp: | while baseband video does conform to NTSC/PAL/SECAM standards |
| [03:45:53] | wagnerrp: | i dont know of a single case where a video capture card cannot capture all three types |
| [03:46:10] | Solarion: | so the HVR2250 should work for analog and digital? |
| [03:46:14] | wagnerrp: | as far as i know, you only have to worry about the standard when dealing with tuners |
| [03:46:33] | Solarion: | is the pchdtv worthwhile? |
| [03:46:40] | wagnerrp: | correct, the drivers for the 2250 in the current linuxtv development tree support both analog and digital |
| [03:46:55] | wagnerrp: | the pchdtv cards are decent digital tuners, should not be used for analog, and are rather pricey |
| [03:47:00] | Solarion: | k |
| [03:47:08] | Solarion: | that was my impression, but I like the linux support |
| [03:47:37] | Solarion: | one last question: how does the linuxtv tree relate to linus' tree? |
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| [03:47:49] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt |
| [03:48:08] | wagnerrp: | they write the drivers, and push drivers upstream to the kernel |
| [03:48:15] | wagnerrp: | but are an otherwise independent project |
| [03:48:21] | Solarion: | right |
| [03:48:30] | Solarion: | but the analog support is in 2.6.37, yes? |
| [03:48:38] | wagnerrp: | i dont believe so, no |
| [03:48:43] | Solarion: | (it says "basic analog" but I'm not certain what all that entails) |
| [03:48:50] | wagnerrp: | 2.6.37 isnt out yet anyway is it? |
| [03:48:54] | Solarion: | yes |
| [03:49:05] | Solarion: | is the tree I was looking at when I quoted that line |
| [03:49:11] | Solarion: | a week or two now? |
| [03:49:14] | wagnerrp: | ah, just a few days ago |
| [03:49:19] | Solarion: | heh, or that. :) |
| [03:49:32] | Solarion: | so I'll likely need to compile specific modules to make that card work? |
| [03:49:48] | ** Solarion is gauging Pain of Using under Ubuntu/Fedora ** | |
| [03:50:26] | wagnerrp: | that was my impression, i could be wrong |
| [03:50:33] | Solarion: | k; thanks |
| [03:50:41] | Solarion: | once again; many many thanks for all the help |
| [03:50:50] | wagnerrp: | !seen stoth |
| [03:50:50] | MythLogBot: | stoth was last seen 12 hours 7 minutes 23 seconds ago |
| [03:51:45] | wagnerrp: | ugh |
| [03:51:50] | wagnerrp: | git makes a really messy changelog |
| [03:52:21] | wagnerrp: | the saa7164 commits were made at the end of july |
| [03:52:31] | wagnerrp: | but i have no idea when they actually got pulled into the main kernel |
| [03:52:58] | knightr: | wagnerrp, they are in Fedora 14 2.6.35 kernel... |
| [03:53:17] | wagnerrp: | knightr: sure, they are in fedora's custom 2.6.35 kernel |
| [03:53:17] | knightr: | 2.6.35.10–74.fc14.x86_64 |
| [03:53:29] | wagnerrp: | that doesnt actually mean they are in the vanilla kernel |
| [03:53:38] | knightr: | ah, I see what you mean, it was a backport.... |
| [03:53:39] | wagnerrp: | they certainly arent in the 2.6.35 vanilla kernel |
| [03:54:02] | wagnerrp: | redhat is one of the biggest contributors to the kernel |
| [03:54:34] | knightr: | btw, thanks! I remove the NFS mount and it works, wonder why it didn't work last time... |
| [03:54:55] | wagnerrp: | hey look, beirdo got his name in there |
| [03:55:42] | knightr: | yep, he had some commits on stoth's tree... |
| [03:55:49] | Beirdo: | aye :) |
| [03:56:28] | Beirdo: | it's in the v4l tree, it will likely be pulled into vanilla eventually |
| [03:56:32] | wagnerrp: | think it would be better to have images for the columns rather than names? |
| [03:57:04] | wagnerrp: | right, it got pulled into v4l in september |
| [03:57:27] | wagnerrp: | and there are comments related to the saa7164 driver in the kernel changelog that seem to be from mid october |
| [03:57:37] | wagnerrp: | so that may mean support is in .37 |
| [03:58:53] | Beirdo: | yay |
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| [03:59:18] | wagnerrp: | sounds like the CES crowd has some new toys to bring home |
| [04:01:18] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [04:01:31] | Beirdo: | toys are good, mmkay? |
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| [04:19:48] | EnigmaticCoder: | I've never used mythtv before. Is it possible to install it on top of Ubuntu? What cable would I need to connect my computer to my cable box? |
| [04:20:26] | wagnerrp: | yes, firewire |
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| [04:21:20] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
| [04:23:30] | EnigmaticCoder: | My set top box has a USB port would that work? |
| [04:23:35] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [04:24:00] | EnigmaticCoder: | Is there a usb to firewire adapter that would work? |
| [04:24:10] | wagnerrp: | read that page |
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| [04:31:37] | EnigmaticCoder: | Thanks |
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| [05:01:02] | [R]: | on undercover boss |
| [05:01:10] | [R]: | when they send the hard working peopel on a vaction to like hawaii or wahtever |
| [05:01:17] | [R]: | is that consdiered a charitable contribution? |
| [05:01:18] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:01:58] | wagnerrp: | theres a article on slashdot about a 'new laser deterrent' for use on ships against attacking pirates |
| [05:02:14] | wagnerrp: | ive always wondered, how do the pirates get on board? |
| [05:02:25] | [R]: | come up next to it |
| [05:02:29] | [R]: | and throw ropes |
| [05:02:31] | [R]: | just like hte old days |
| [05:02:40] | wagnerrp: | why arent the ropes being cut? |
| [05:02:44] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:03:00] | wagnerrp: | im serious |
| [05:03:14] | wagnerrp: | if theyre next to the ship, they cant very well be shooting people on the ship |
| [05:04:15] | wagnerrp: | if theyre right up next to the ship, why not use barrels of burning pitch |
| [05:04:20] | wagnerrp: | just like the good old days |
| [05:04:31] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:04:36] | wagnerrp: | or heck, molotov cocktails |
| [05:04:39] | [R]: | maybe you should go undercover |
| [05:04:43] | [R]: | and join a pirate crew |
| [05:04:44] | wagnerrp: | surely sailors have booze and matches |
| [05:04:45] | [R]: | just like on south park |
| [05:05:58] | k-man: | what is the MythSystem rewrite? |
| [05:06:17] | wagnerrp: | a rewrite of the mechanism used to handle external system calls |
| [05:06:50] | k-man: | what was wrong with the old MythSystem? |
| [05:07:09] | ** kormoc blinks at k-man ** | |
| [05:07:15] | [R]: | it didnt have the love that they put into the rewrite |
| [05:07:17] | [R]: | gotta have love |
| [05:07:33] | k-man: | just curious, thats all |
| [05:08:02] | [R]: | i always put love into my code |
| [05:08:04] | kormoc: | There was a long email on -dev that explained it IIRC |
| [05:08:16] | k-man: | ok, ill have a look, thanks |
| [05:08:53] | wagnerrp: | the old myth_system was just a couple modifications around the basic functionality of the system() call |
| [05:09:14] | wagnerrp: | pass a command in, get an error code out |
| [05:09:23] | wagnerrp: | there was some logging |
| [05:09:27] | wagnerrp: | there was some UI handling |
| [05:09:39] | wagnerrp: | there was some automatic reaping with an optional timeout |
| [05:09:47] | wagnerrp: | but all in all, fairly basic |
| [05:09:59] | wagnerrp: | the rewrite added support for standard in/out/error |
| [05:10:32] | wagnerrp: | allowing it to replace all the custom QProcess/system/execv*/fork/whatever calls |
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| [05:10:43] | wagnerrp: | and use a single unified system |
| [05:11:13] | k-man: | oh, sounds good |
| [05:11:29] | wagnerrp: | with the intent that the single system could be maintained more easily than dozens of individual uses |
| [05:13:18] | k-man: | i saw that its been merged into master |
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| [05:30:30] | Beirdo: | aw come on |
| [05:30:41] | Beirdo: | 60 threads gone in a day |
| [05:31:00] | k-man: | 60 threads? |
| [05:31:15] | wagnerrp: | i burn through my allotment of 50 pretty quickly any time i use mythfs |
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| [05:31:20] | Beirdo: | 2011-01–09 21:30:26.427 ThreadPool:HTTP: thread pool exhausted (max 60 threads) |
| [05:32:03] | Beirdo: | and since it's out... I can't ask if it's recording or not |
| [05:32:57] | Beirdo: | and I have a 10s timeout on those threads |
| [05:33:04] | Beirdo: | which is clearly not working |
| [05:33:14] | ** Beirdo hopes THAT rewrite is ready soon ** | |
| [05:33:30] | wagnerrp: | open source software |
| [05:33:33] | wagnerrp: | we love our rewrites |
| [05:33:52] | ** wagnerrp goes back to rewriting the python bindings ** | |
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| [05:36:21] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:36:45] | Beirdo: | and we love the users that complain about our lack of docs |
| [05:37:02] | wagnerrp: | dont like the docs? fix em! |
| [05:37:18] | wagnerrp: | how am i going to fix the docs? i cant figure out the program because i dont understand them! |
| [05:38:37] | wagnerrp: | thats two base classes down |
| [05:38:43] | wagnerrp: | lets move into the real meat |
| [05:42:50] | Beirdo: | mmm, meat |
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| [06:01:12] | Cru_: | Can someone help me. I just added an additional hard drive and mounted it to /var/lib/mythtv/recordings. It records fine but when i try to delete a file, after a few seconds, it reappears |
| [06:02:51] | Shadow__X: | Cru_: why didn't you add it to the storage group? |
| [06:07:59] | Shadow__X: | also have you looked at your logs |
| [06:09:49] | Cru_: | Shadow__X: how do I check my logs? |
| [06:09:55] | Cru_: | I can manually delete them |
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| [06:11:13] | Cru_: | Shadow__X: in the "storage group" you mean in the backend to change var/lib/mythtv/recordings to another location and mount the hard drive else where? |
| [06:12:43] | Shadow__X: | Cru_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Storage_Groups |
| [06:13:15] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: do you think that guy's email account is a reference to 2001 or dragonballz? |
| [06:13:32] | Cru_: | Shadow__X: k i will try to switch that back and mount elsewhere and add to storage group. ty |
| [06:14:49] | Shadow__X: | Cru_: afaik storage groups are the way to go as it designed for multiple drives |
| [06:14:54] | Beirdo: | OMG, live luser in the ML |
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| [06:19:17] | wagnerrp: | that THATS a quote |
| [06:19:20] | wagnerrp: | "Remember: every problem in computer science can be solved with extra levels of indirection." |
| [06:25:00] | Beirdo: | Oh, I so feel like flaming that idiot |
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| [06:29:27] | Cru_: | Shadow__X: I re-mounted to a new location and added it via the storage groups. however, i still cannot delete them |
| [06:32:20] | Shadow__X: | i am not sure whats going on. have you looked at the logs |
| [06:33:04] | Shadow__X: | they might be in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [06:36:54] | Cru_: | Ok, it says that I have this error: ERROR when trying to delete file: GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/mythtvbox/<filename> file doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed |
| [06:37:54] | Shadow__X: | Cru_: put it back the way you had it then try it again |
| [06:38:00] | wagnerrp: | you mounted a new drive on top of your old drive? |
| [06:38:26] | wagnerrp: | meaning the old recordings that were stored on the old drive are now inaccessible? |
| [06:39:23] | Cru_: | wagnerrp: no, all videos are accessible |
| [06:39:34] | Cru_: | I cloned my hd and mounted the extra partition on |
| [06:39:36] | ** Beirdo is soooo tempted to go and flame someone ** | |
| [06:39:42] | Cru_: | want recordings to go on extra partition |
| [06:40:05] | Cru_: | but even tho its mounted and reads the recordings from the extra hd, it still wont delete them saying that erro r in the log |
| [06:41:49] | Cru_: | wagnerrp: the new drive *is mounted inside the old hd tho...added it right now as /var/lib/extraspace |
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| [06:59:27] | DHR: | mc68000 had a 3-stage pipeline: fetch, decode, execute. At least according to things I've googled. |
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| [08:17:34] | AlVal: | m |
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| [08:28:11] | Beirdo: | urgh |
| [08:28:21] | Beirdo: | so it's FOX that's not recording right now |
| [08:29:10] | Beirdo: | gonna kick my antenna's butt |
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| [09:48:54] | hashbang: | g'mornin! |
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| [09:54:13] | ** hashbang has mostly finished migrating his MythTV box from 0.21-fixes on Fedora 8 to 0.24-fixes on Fedora 14 ** | |
| [09:55:06] | hashbang: | anyone got any tips on getting MythTV to output sound to both analogue and to S/PDIF *simultaneously*? |
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| [09:56:24] | hashbang: | I used to have this working on 0.21/F8, but it seems to be a bit broken in 0.24/F14. I've got a .asoundrc which works for every app /apart/ from mythfrontend, which clicks over the analogue channel (presumably it's sending the digital data to the analogue channel...) |
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| [10:58:00] | AndyCap: | hashbang: you've ditched pulseaudio first? :) |
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| [12:19:02] | orlok: | I have previously set up mytv on a laptop, now i am moving it to a dedicated box – is there a way i can copy across my channel frequency list tothe new system? |
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| [12:47:16] | hashbang: | AndyCap: PulseAudio is still on the system, but I've removed the alsa-plugins-pulseaudio packages. Mythfrontend suspends PA anyway, and, as I say, the .asoundrc works for everything else I've tested. |
| [12:48:16] | hashbang: | orlok: probably best to do a mysqldump of the mythconverg database on the laptop then re-import it on the dedicated box |
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| [12:56:29] | jduggan: | yea/win 22 |
| [12:58:09] | redwizard_kde: | afternoon |
| [12:59:14] | redwizard_kde: | anyone know how to set up a wintv nova-t-usb2 with mythtv using the setup program. at the moment i dont know what kind of capture card to set it up as. |
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| [13:00:59] | redwizard_kde: | ive tried finding info on the card but so far no luck and there doesnt appear to be a page on the wiki for the card |
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| [13:03:57] | toeb: | try the DVB.... option |
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| [13:05:48] | redwizard_kde: | atm i'm not even sure i've got the card firmware working |
| [13:05:54] | ** redwizard_kde double checks ** | |
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| [13:08:18] | redwizard_kde: | well all i can find so far is an Linux infrared remote control setup but that may well be my keyboard/mouse |
| [13:08:32] | redwizard_kde: | come to think of it i think thats actually radio |
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| [13:11:25] | orlok: | hashbang: ahh cheers, thought that may be the case |
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| [14:44:29] | hashbang: | anyone got any tips on getting MythTV to output sound to both analogue and to S/PDIF *simultaneously*? I used to have this working on 0.21/F8, but it seems to be a bit broken in 0.24/F14. I've got a .asoundrc which works for every app /apart/ from mythfrontend, which clicks over the analogue channel (presumably it's sending the digital data to the analogue channel...). PulseAudio is installed, but I've removed the alsa-plugins-pulseaudio packa |
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| [15:24:13] | wagnerrp: | hashbang: there is no way to make mythtv output to multiple audio outputs simultaneously |
| [15:24:24] | wagnerrp: | it simply does not support that, and never has |
| [15:25:06] | wagnerrp: | the only way to do what you want is to create a virtual device in ALSA, that splits the audio in that manner |
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| [15:47:29] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: yup, that's what I had with 0.21-fixes on F8 and it worked fine. However, with 0.24–2 from rpmfusion, I get clicking on the analog channels (maybe they're being sent the S/PDIF digital signal?!?) |
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| [15:48:25] | wagnerrp: | your probably is almost certainly related to F14 and pulseaudio mucking with things |
| [15:48:44] | wagnerrp: | aint pulseaudio wondrous? |
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| [15:50:00] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: I've removed alsa-plugins-pulseaudio, and mythfrontend reckons it's suspending PA properly. |
| [15:50:46] | hashbang: | (though with 0.21, I didn't need to remove alsa-plugins-pulseaudio; 0.24 needs it gone otherwise I get no sound at all, even basic analog with no .asoundrc) |
| [15:53:14] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: also, my config works with ALSA apps that aren't mythfrontend, e.g. aplay. I don't think this one is PA's fault. |
| [15:54:00] | wagnerrp: | hhahhaha |
| [15:54:13] | wagnerrp: | 'although rescheduling can take several minutes' |
| [15:54:32] | wagnerrp: | listen kids, thats why you dont run your backend on a sheevaplug |
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| [16:00:32] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: I've just posted to mythtv-users with more extensive info |
| [16:02:09] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Christ, between mythtvtalk and mythtv-users, I can't keep track of all the reasons X crashes and failures of the users to read documentation on free software are all my fault |
| [16:02:32] | iamlindoro: | I like the part where we dared to release software that is not up to the standards of the stuff the guy paid for |
| [16:02:34] | iamlindoro: | how DARE we |
| [16:02:35] | wagnerrp: | its about time you showed up... :P |
| [16:02:48] | iamlindoro: | Hey, I was in the thread yesterday ;) |
| [16:02:55] | iamlindoro: | I'd say I've taken an adequate beating |
| [16:03:01] | wagnerrp: | erm no... 'well now you show up' |
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| [16:03:12] | wagnerrp: | knew it was something like that |
| [16:03:13] | iamlindoro: | oh, right ;) |
| [16:03:43] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, I'm such a jerk for not catching his post on a non-Myth-affiliated forum, and not seeing his bug report to god-knows-where-but-not-trac |
| [16:03:46] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: thanks for confirming that there's no native way for mythfrontend to do simultaneous output natively. I think I read something else written by you in the past to that effect, so it's nice to know that it's the same in 0.24, at least. |
| [16:04:09] | wagnerrp: | hashbang: if i did, i would have just been repeating what others said |
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| [16:47:54] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: so was google doing some sort of raffle? |
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| [16:48:02] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, logitech |
| [16:48:17] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [16:48:31] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, "Take a picture of yourself with a logitech item at booth x and tweet it to @logitech and win a google tv!" |
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| [16:51:53] | tank-man: | whats the name of the game where you do stuff like that? easter egg hunt? |
| [16:53:01] | tank-man: | scavenger hunt :) |
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| [16:53:24] | wagnerrp: | not much of a scavenger hunt with only one item |
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| [17:00:09] | hashbang: | iamlindoro: sounds like Mark Deneen's ire should be directed at MythBuntu rather than MythTV, since that does present itself as allowing someone to setup a MythTV system with some ease. |
| [17:02:18] | iamlindoro: | It's not Mythbuntu's fault that he hasn't done a shred of work reading the documentation... Mythbuntu *does* go a huge, huge distance towards making MythTV easy to set up, and I for one think their distro is fantastic |
| [17:02:29] | iamlindoro: | Mark deneen's problem is what's holding down the chair |
| [17:02:34] | hashbang: | iamlindoro: heh |
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| [17:02:50] | iamlindoro: | (and fwiw, I'm very thankful to tgm4883 et al for the work they do over at mythbuntu) |
| [17:03:30] | wagnerrp: | he came into the project expecting that it would magically autoconfigure everything he wanted out of the box |
| [17:03:49] | iamlindoro: | exactly |
| [17:04:04] | hashbang: | iamlindoro: I think I had a quick look at MythBuntu 4 years ago, and it looked like I'd still need to do most of the work myself, so I decided to use Jarod Wilson's Fedora guide and do it with a distro I was far more familiar with. |
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| [17:05:16] | iamlindoro: | And as much as MythTV isn't quite there yet, neither is linux-- we're somewhat limited by the tools we build upon. There's just not enough there in the v4l API to do full autodetection and setup, but we *could* do better in that regard and that's what we aim to do with the setup rewrite-- but we're still all ultimately responsible for making our mortgage payments before being people's personal mythtv slaves |
| [17:06:35] | iamlindoro: | And speaking for myself, I'm neither an engineer nor a trained developer-- a fact for which I am very thankful :P |
| [17:06:55] | hashbang: | iamlindoro: yup; some of the underlying foundations are pretty shaky and changeable. I /like/ Fedora, but I'm finding myself increasingly annoyed with seemingly arbitrary changes ("bikeshedding") with no apparent improvement in performance or functionality. |
| [17:06:56] | sphery: | Love how we should tell people that MythTV is "for programmers, and others who can spend the time it takes to learn the complicated installation" |
| [17:07:03] | iamlindoro: | I'm not responsible for people a professional mythtv dev/engineer as I'm neither in real life-- I'm just someone who cared enough about the project to learn and make it better |
| [17:07:47] | sphery: | IME, if you tell a person, "This application is only for advanced users," they'll think, "Oh, I'm an advanced user because they gave me 'Power User' permissions on my own Windows box at work," and then expect to be able to use it. |
| [17:08:00] | sphery: | If, instead, you let them figure out for themselves that it's not for them, they blame the app. |
| [17:08:08] | sphery: | lose/lose... |
| [17:08:35] | hashbang: | sphery: yup, everyone thinks they're an "advanced" user, but there's advanced, and /advanced/... |
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| [17:09:41] | sphery: | yeah, and--in reality--the only /real/ advanced users are those who know enough to know that they're not advanced users. |
| [17:09:53] | hashbang: | sphery: heh |
| [17:10:14] | wagnerrp: | </zen> |
| [17:10:26] | sphery: | besides, what would having a knowledge of programming, compiling, bash, ... really do to help a user figure out what <insert setting name> means? |
| [17:10:38] | hashbang: | sphery: I've been using UNIX for 18 years, and Linux for 15. There are bits which I think I understand quite well, but most of it I just know where to look for docs. |
| [17:10:46] | sphery: | I don't get why he thinks you need to "compile segments of the program"? |
| [17:10:52] | sphery: | has the guy never heard of Mythbuntu? |
| [17:11:14] | wagnerrp: | sphery: or 'i can write basic sql queries, so im qualified to go tinkering around in the database' |
| [17:11:18] | hashbang: | sphery: that complaint was bogus, I think. I don't know about Mythbuntu, but I think a compile-free Fedora-based MythTV setup is entirely possible. |
| [17:11:19] | sphery: | hashbang: yeah, I started with GNU/Linux in 1997, and I'm hoping in another 30 years, I'll be a good beginner with it |
| [17:11:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: exactly! |
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| [17:11:36] | wagnerrp: | or worse |
| [17:11:41] | sphery: | hashbang: yeah, basically any useful distro |
| [17:11:56] | wagnerrp: | 'i found phpmyadmin, so i can tinker around in the database' |
| [17:12:06] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [17:12:13] | sphery: | "It will stop me from making mistakes" |
| [17:12:29] | hashbang: | sphery: there is something of a 'l33ter than thou' attitude which sometimes shows up in different communities; if you don't compile your own kernel, you aren't a /real/ Linux user. |
| [17:12:30] | sphery: | after all, phpmyadmin knows all the data constraints/boundaries for MythTV |
| [17:13:02] | hashbang: | sphery: whereas all the advanced user/admins gave that crap up years ago, unless they're writing a driver, or doing kernel debugging. |
| [17:13:24] | sphery: | hashbang: yeah, and those, IMHO, are the least advanced users--too clueless to get the big picture |
| [17:13:35] | sphery: | heh, which is what you just said :) |
| [17:15:20] | sphery: | maybe I'll dedicate my next setting-removal patch to e. e. deneen |
| [17:17:06] | hashbang: | tata, chaps |
| [17:17:30] | sphery: | later |
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| [18:42:26] | rabiddachshund: | I'm trying to set up mythtv but have no idea what I'm doing. I have a Sabrent SBT-TVFM which uses the BT878 chipset but I can't figure it out. Is it an Analog V4L or MJPEG capture card? |
| [18:42:44] | iamlindoro: | analog v4l |
| [18:43:16] | iamlindoro: | awful, awful card, though, you may find that you will have a real pain getting it set up, and then poor results |
| [18:43:27] | rabiddachshund: | Ok. It detects it on /dev/video0 and /dev/vbi0 but I don't know which input to use. |
| [18:43:34] | iamlindoro: | We generally recommend against "framegrabber" style tuners her |
| [18:43:36] | iamlindoro: | er here |
| [18:43:49] | rabiddachshund: | yeah I kind of figured that. It's been laying in a drawer for about 5 years I think |
| [18:43:49] | iamlindoro: | You use the input that you have the television signal plugged in to |
| [18:44:03] | iamlindoro: | ie, if you plugged into the tuner, select the tuner input-- if you plugged into composite, use composite, etc. |
| [18:44:29] | rabiddachshund: | the choices are composite0,1,3 and s-video. I have it in the Coax |
| [18:44:46] | iamlindoro: | sounds like you may have some driver issues |
| [18:45:08] | iamlindoro: | Coax would be "Tuner" |
| [18:45:26] | iamlindoro: | but since there's nothing being labeled tuner, it sounds like there may be some deficiencies in your driver |
| [18:45:26] | rabiddachshund: | hrm.. |
| [18:45:42] | rabiddachshund: | using builtin driver. |
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| [18:46:33] | iamlindoro: | These days, a card that old doesn't get a lot of attention from driver authors |
| [18:46:48] | iamlindoro: | it's possible it's been brokenish for a long, long time and since nobody would want to use it, nobody's noticed |
| [18:47:17] | rabiddachshund: | according to the wiki "you could try loading the bttv module with the card= parameter set to each one of the cards listed in the cardlist.bttv" |
| [18:47:28] | rabiddachshund: | what does that mean? (I don't know anythign about drivers. |
| [18:47:30] | rabiddachshund: | ) |
| [18:47:35] | iamlindoro: | yep, could be worth a try, but is usually unnecessary if the card has been autodetected |
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| [18:47:49] | iamlindoro: | it means that in the module parameters for your driver, you could enter an argument |
| [18:48:17] | iamlindoro: | where you would put that would depend on your distro and you'd likely need to research it |
| [18:48:47] | rabiddachshund: | ok thanks. |
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| [18:49:24] | wagnerrp: | MMlosh: thats all defined by the theme |
| [18:49:48] | MMlosh: | aha.. where can I browse/change that? |
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| [18:50:05] | MMlosh: | the theme is *buntu default (terra) |
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| [18:51:36] | MMlosh: | wagnerrp, or how is that feature called (I can find out once I know what I'm searching for) |
| [18:53:06] | MMlosh: | (question repost for others: Can anybody point me to the "color" to "pending action" translation table for the color wheel spinning in the "watch recordings" screen's items?) |
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| [18:54:10] | sphery: | pretty sure that's some subset of *.png in your theme dir |
| [18:54:44] | MMlosh: | oh... but that's probably still not enough for finding it quickly |
| [18:55:10] | sphery: | rabiddachshund: or, as iamlindoro already said, it may actually mean that you should considering spending $10 to get a PVR-150 instead (as they just work) |
| [18:55:25] | sphery: | and aren't nearly as hard to configure as framegrabber cards |
| [18:56:06] | ikevin-: | hi |
| [18:57:49] | MMlosh: | recordings/flagging_1.png in the theme directory... thanks sphery |
| [18:57:50] | ikevin-: | i'm running mythfrontent on a machin and the primary/slave backend on a dedicated server, the frontend has an usb dvb adapter, i can setup it so while i try to show the tv i get an error who said me myth use all input |
| [18:58:16] | ikevin-: | anyone know how can i do? (if i put the backend on the same machin with same config, all work fine) |
| [18:58:31] | rabiddachshund: | sphery: I might do that. Right now I'm just throwing this together with parts I've got laying around |
| [18:58:43] | wagnerrp: | ikevin-: you have a dedicated server running both a master AND slave backend? |
| [18:59:08] | ikevin-: | wagnerrp, primary and slave are the same instance of the backend |
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| [18:59:20] | hagna: | I don't care about recording live tv, but I would like a simple device to play movies from my hard disk. Is that something mythtv does or should I look into something else? |
| [18:59:27] | wagnerrp: | so you have a master backend on the dedicated server, no slave at all |
| [18:59:52] | wagnerrp: | hagna: mythtv will refuse to run without a configured tuner card |
| [19:00:01] | ikevin-: | slave settings does do anything if the host is the same of the master? |
| [19:00:24] | ikevin-: | i need to put a slave on all machin who run the frontend? |
| [19:00:27] | wagnerrp: | ikevin-: there is no such thing as separate settings for master and slave |
| [19:00:35] | wagnerrp: | there are only backend settings |
| [19:00:45] | MMlosh: | wagnerrp, but you can setup freebox tuner with empty playlist, right? |
| [19:00:48] | wagnerrp: | and whichever machine has the same IP as that defined for the master backend runs as the master |
| [19:01:07] | wagnerrp: | MMlosh: you can do a lot of things to FORCE mythtv to run without a physical tuner |
| [19:01:26] | wagnerrp: | but the simple fact is mythtv is overly complicated if you have no intention of recording tv |
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| [19:01:52] | hagna: | wagnerrp: ok makes sense |
| [19:01:58] | ikevin-: | i've no way to have a "central" access for all my frontend? |
| [19:02:37] | wagnerrp: | ikevin-: it sounds like you are trying to run a tunerless backend and a frontend with a slave backend with your tuner |
| [19:02:52] | sphery: | ikevin-: in case you don't yet get this, you don't need to run any backends (therefore, no need for capture cards) on the same host as frontends |
| [19:03:06] | sphery: | frontends can play any recordings (live or pre-recorded) from any backend |
| [19:03:17] | wagnerrp: | is there any reason you cant put the tuner in the backend rather than your frontend? |
| [19:04:03] | ikevin-: | i search to get a central access for mythvideo / mythmusic / vod (using livetv & freebox settings) and having tunners located on the frontend to work to |
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| [19:04:28] | wagnerrp: | ikevin-: why do you want tuners located on the frontends? |
| [19:04:28] | ikevin-: | the tunner is on the frontend |
| [19:04:53] | wagnerrp: | even if you were to run a slave backend on your frontend to use that tuner, the frontend wouldnt necessarily use it |
| [19:05:01] | wagnerrp: | the frontend will use the first available tuner |
| [19:05:02] | ikevin-: | server who run the backend is not sufficient for dvb decoding |
| [19:05:09] | wagnerrp: | regardless of physical location |
| [19:05:10] | sphery: | frontend decodes |
| [19:05:14] | sphery: | backend writes to disk |
| [19:05:23] | wagnerrp: | the backend only does decoding for commflagging and transcoding |
| [19:05:23] | sphery: | regardless of where frontend and backend exist |
| [19:05:36] | wagnerrp: | you can run 'mythjobqueue' on a frontend to handle that task |
| [19:05:43] | wagnerrp: | what is your backend hardware? |
| [19:06:16] | ikevin-: | it's a vm on a celeron 2.6 / 512Mo of RAM |
| [19:06:23] | wagnerrp: | why is it a VM? |
| [19:06:28] | ikevin-: | virtual machin |
| [19:06:38] | wagnerrp: | especially on an old machine like a celeron with no VT-d |
| [19:06:48] | ikevin-: | yep |
| [19:06:50] | wagnerrp: | and only 512MB of memory |
| [19:07:10] | wagnerrp: | that just sounds like a recipe for pain |
| [19:08:00] | ikevin-: | i can use vlc to make tunner working on frontend, so if i can use a better way :x |
| [19:08:36] | wagnerrp: | run mythbackend directly on the server, plug the tuner directly into the server |
| [19:08:38] | wagnerrp: | problem solved |
| [19:09:30] | ikevin-: | i can try, so, tunner need more than 30s to init on the server, i think myth (and me too) don't like to wait this time :x |
| [19:09:39] | ikevin-: | (using vlc) |
| [19:10:10] | wagnerrp: | thats because youre fiddling around with a virtual machine on hardware with insufficient memory and no hardware acceleration |
| [19:10:24] | wagnerrp: | you dont have the capability to properly run a VM, so dont |
| [19:10:54] | wagnerrp: | contrary to popular believe, virtual machines actually INCREASE hardware requirements |
| [19:11:08] | ikevin-: | the server do enought things, disabling virtualization will cause security issue |
| [19:12:33] | ikevin-: | so, i try, if it work i'll see for changing the hardware |
| [19:13:20] | ikevin-: | thx for informations :) |
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| [19:16:19] | wagnerrp: | if you are running multiple VMs, i would be surprised if you arent already heavily into swap |
| [19:18:20] | rabiddachshund: | Ok, so I've found my card number is 142 in the cardlist.bttv but I don't actually know the process of adding the parameter to the module using mythbuntu 10.10. Help? |
| [19:18:30] | rabiddachshund: | insmod or modprobe? |
| [19:18:53] | ikevin-: | yes, it "always" swap a lot |
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| [19:19:27] | wagnerrp: | ikevin-: any swap usage means you need more memory |
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| [19:20:02] | wagnerrp: | think of swap like a safety net, not something you should be using under normal circumstances |
| [19:20:24] | ikevin-: | yes i know, so for the moment it's not really a need, it's more a dev server than prod |
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| [19:21:25] | ikevin-: | if all what i want is possible, i'll buy a better hard (i think based on phenomeII / lot of ram) |
| [19:21:40] | ikevin-: | so for testing an old machin is sufficient |
| [19:21:58] | sphery: | even with better hardware, use of a vm for mythtv is probably not a good plan |
| [19:22:25] | ikevin-: | depend of the server |
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| [19:22:47] | sphery: | IMHO, depends more on the software--and I was talking specifically about mythtv |
| [19:23:20] | ikevin-: | virtualization is transparent for software |
| [19:23:39] | sphery: | software includes things like device drivers |
| [19:23:47] | Shadow__X: | why do networks insist on having recordings ending late |
| [19:23:51] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, full hardware virtualization is a crutch to allow you to not have to set up software properly |
| [19:23:55] | sphery: | and since mythtv makes heavy use of non-typical devices... |
| [19:24:43] | ikevin-: | <sphery> +software includes things like device drivers <=== XEN provide a direct communication between hardware & vms |
| [19:26:07] | ikevin-: | wagnerrp, i tryed to setup a capture card on the backend located on the server, i go the same error on the frontend |
| [19:26:21] | wagnerrp: | then you didnt set it up completely |
| [19:26:39] | ikevin-: | i need to configure anything special on the frontend? |
| [19:26:53] | sphery: | my recommendation for fixing your backend setup: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [19:26:54] | wagnerrp: | no, all tuner and input configuration is done on the backend |
| [19:27:41] | ikevin-: | all seems working, channel scan has worked fine on the server |
| [19:29:13] | ikevin-: | thx sphery |
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| [19:43:32] | ikevin-: | \o/ adding free recorder as capture card (my vod) on the server working fine now |
| [19:43:38] | ikevin-: | thx a lot wagnerrp & sphery |
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| [21:21:22] | abqjp: | iamlindoro, Looks like the HDFury is no longer available for sale in Canada? You can still buy it in the US. |
| [21:21:52] | wagnerrp: | rev1 or rev2? |
| [21:23:47] | abqjp: | monoprice still has both rev2 and rev3. curtpalme (in canada) does not seem to be selling any version, anymore. |
| [21:24:15] | wagnerrp: | rev3 now? |
| [21:24:31] | wagnerrp: | ooh, gamma |
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| [21:32:33] | iamlindoro: | I really need to re-buy one of those for safekeeping |
| [21:32:43] | iamlindoro: | I have a revision 1 unit a few years ago |
| [21:32:45] | iamlindoro: | er had a |
| [21:35:09] | mikasaari: | How can I find/increase alsa hardware audio buffer size when mythtv 0.24 gives "Waited 100ms for video buffers ...." ? |
| [21:36:45] | kormoc: | Did you rescan your audio devices? |
| [21:37:08] | mikasaari: | How I can do that ? |
| [21:37:30] | kormoc: | go to the frontend audio settings and hit the rescan audio device button |
| [21:37:43] | mikasaari: | ah, there. ok |
| [21:37:51] | rabiddachshund: | friggin' frak. I tried to modify the tuner driver module options and trashed xorg. |
| [21:38:24] | rabiddachshund: | :D No screens found! :| |
| [21:38:52] | mikasaari: | kormoc: No indication, but I think the devices were scanned. |
| [21:39:27] | kormoc: | now try playing. It's a required step for 0.2x -> 0.24 upgrades |
| [21:39:44] | mikasaari: | kormoc: Ah command line informs "ALSA, Error: No playback configurations available: Invalid arguments" |
| [21:40:23] | mikasaari: | Propably then some ALSA configuration problem. Will dig in that more deeply |
| [21:40:34] | kormoc: | is that new? |
| [21:41:06] | mikasaari: | kormoc: Machine is new and also the build is new (0.24 release build, not SVN) |
| [21:41:50] | kormoc: | after scanning, you made sure the audio settings are correct? |
| [21:41:59] | kormoc: | (on the same page as the scan button) |
| [21:42:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... and did you go to the end until the "Finish" button appears, not just ESC out? [ESC cancels changes...) |
| [21:42:58] | mikasaari: | J-e-f-f-A: Sure |
| [21:43:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | mikasaari: Ok, just making sure. ;-) (As there's no "changes will be lost" type of warning... ;-) ) |
| [21:43:28] | mikasaari: | kormoc: At least I think they are correct. First time for this machine configuring the sound. Other frontends are using pulseaudio |
| [21:43:54] | mikasaari: | J-e-f-f-A: Yep, always good to check :) |
| [21:46:02] | mikasaari: | Yep, giving that "ALSA, Error: No playback configurations available: Invalid argument" |
| [21:46:06] | mikasaari: | But the sounds are workign ok |
| [21:46:09] | mikasaari: | but |
| [21:46:36] | mikasaari: | when pressing "e" in recorded video I am thrown back to main menu |
| [21:46:44] | mikasaari: | with lots of Waiting 100ms in the command line |
| [21:48:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | mikasaari: What's your output device, Analog audio or ? |
| [21:48:49] | mikasaari: | Analog audio yes |
| [21:49:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | mikasaari: So go back into the settings, and hit the 'scan' button, then make sure the right audio device for analog audio is selected in the 'drop-down'. |
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| [21:51:20] | mikasaari: | huge amount of different settings for same card. hmm. Propably need to test all |
| [21:51:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | mikasaari: No, there are several for digital output, and just a few for Analog output. |
| [21:51:55] | mikasaari: | yep, seems so. Testing analog ones |
| [21:51:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | mikasaari: They should be somewhat descriptive. |
| [21:53:33] | mikasaari: | J-e-f-f-A: I am plain stupid |
| [21:53:55] | mikasaari: | J-e-f-f-A: I got the audio working nicely now with your instructions, yes |
| [21:54:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | mikasaari: Hehehe... ;-) that's cool. |
| [21:54:44] | mikasaari: | J-e-f-f-A: But the recorded video editing propably can not work since this is just frontend using streaming |
| [21:56:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | mikasaari: IIRC, the 'edit' mode just sets cut points that are honored during playback (similar to commercial skipping), but doesn't actually edit the recording (the file itself, that is). |
| [21:57:27] | mikasaari: | Hmm, ok. The frontend jams for editing. There is proper mysql connection and also NFS is set up. Need to start checking backend logs since frontend doesn't give errors anymore |
| [21:58:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | mikasaari: maybe the OSD is incomplete for that theme? Maybe try a different theme, or one you know works from one of your other frontends? |
| [21:59:12] | mikasaari: | ah ok. Testing the switch. Using this Arclight. Changing to Terra |
| [21:59:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... Arclight should be fine. |
| [21:59:58] | mikasaari: | Terra works. Hmm |
| [22:00:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | Strange... I was thinking you were using one of the older, not-updated-to-mythui themes... |
| [22:01:41] | mikasaari: | J-e-f-f-A: Huge amount of thanks for these instructions. Compiling everything from qt to mythplugins for tinycore has taken like 2 weeks now and just got at least audio and video to work so I am hugely adrenaline fulled. |
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| [22:02:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | 2 weeks? Yikes... what are you running it on a TI Graphing Calculator? ;-) |
| [22:03:21] | mikasaari: | ASUS AT5IONT-I atom |
| [22:03:33] | wagnerrp: | why tinycore? |
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| [22:04:36] | mikasaari: | wagnerrp: Tested how easy it would be to make about 400MB distro with mythtv, VDPAU and all nifty plugins just to readonly USB stick |
| [22:05:03] | wagnerrp: | minimyth should do that |
| [22:05:10] | wagnerrp: | but can you even still buy 512MB drives? |
| [22:05:21] | mikasaari: | wagnerrp: But that would be ready made ;) |
| [22:05:34] | mikasaari: | wagnerrp: Just wanted to learn |
| [22:06:07] | mikasaari: | wagnerrp: Not sure If could purchase one. Had one here |
| [22:06:52] | mikasaari: | J-e-f-f-A: Arc jams, Terra works. Will look more. |
| [22:06:59] | mikasaari: | Thanks a lot for all the help. |
| [22:15:20] | Beirdo: | ahhh, ogg vorbis++ |
| [22:15:38] | wagnerrp: | bleh, lossy |
| [22:15:51] | Beirdo: | barely noticable compared to MP3 |
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| [22:16:02] | wagnerrp: | also lossy |
| [22:16:17] | Beirdo: | for rips stored on my work machine to listen to while working, ogg works well |
| [22:16:43] | Beirdo: | Alice Cooper – Brutal Planet album in this case |
| [22:16:51] | wagnerrp: | whats the point of storing music locally when you have internet and a server? |
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| [22:17:05] | Beirdo: | for archival, my methodology is FLAC |
| [22:17:08] | wagnerrp: | gotta use all that bandwidth youre paying for doing something |
| [22:17:08] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:17:13] | Beirdo: | nah |
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| [22:18:08] | Beirdo: | I wonder how many TB it would be for every CD I have... in FLAC format |
| [22:18:23] | ** Beirdo calculates out the S3 bill ** | |
| [22:18:24] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:19:10] | wagnerrp: | you store it on amazon? i was actually referring to your dedicated backend and home internet |
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| [22:19:24] | Beirdo: | I'm considering the concept |
| [22:19:42] | Beirdo: | I plan on ripping to disk on the backend box though |
| [22:19:59] | wagnerrp: | ripping music to ISO? |
| [22:20:07] | wagnerrp: | or what do you mean |
| [22:20:16] | Beirdo: | rip from CD to FLAC |
| [22:20:22] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [22:20:24] | Beirdo: | and put onto backend |
| [22:20:39] | Beirdo: | then if I need MP3 for an ipod or whatever, encode from the FLAC |
| [22:20:53] | Beirdo: | and archive the CDs somewhere and not touch em |
| [22:20:59] | wagnerrp: | im slowly moving all my CDs to FLAC, using mp3fs for streaming remotely |
| [22:21:21] | Beirdo: | sounds like what I'm considering |
| [22:21:58] | Beirdo: | OMG, I'm really liking this CD. I'm so glad I bought it when I did... too bad I just found it again a few days ago |
| [22:22:22] | Wicked: | theres a few really nice web based streaming mp3 servers like subsonic and jinzora. theres also ampache :) |
| [22:23:19] | Beirdo: | my first task is to rip all the CDs though, and create the library |
| [22:23:20] | Wicked: | well music servers. i think they handle most common audio codecs |
| [22:23:43] | Beirdo: | and for just usual streaming, I'd rather use Ogg than MP3 |
| [22:23:52] | Beirdo: | but again, depends on device |
| [22:23:58] | Wicked: | you can demo subsonic here http://www.subsonic.org/pages/demo.jsp |
| [22:24:16] | Wicked: | i think subsonic is the nicest...but its not without its flaws |
| [22:24:32] | Beirdo: | I need a CDROM for ripping... with a chute on it |
| [22:24:49] | Beirdo: | just pile in the CDs, let it rip and spit it out the bottom |
| [22:25:00] | Wicked: | lol |
| [22:26:47] | Beirdo: | http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/i . . . ai_19315413/ |
| [22:26:50] | Beirdo: | that would do |
| [22:27:44] | Wicked: | too bad theres not a service where you could like mail in cd's or something...maybe proof of purchase and be able to download the album in your choice of format. |
| [22:28:04] | Wicked: | ripping my whole archive of music would be much to tedious. |
| [22:28:06] | Beirdo: | even better. |
| [22:28:14] | Beirdo: | send them the UPC codes |
| [22:28:16] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:28:36] | Wicked: | but that will never happen. the record industry is much much too greedy |
| [22:29:07] | Beirdo: | too bad that Sony device is 12X... and SCSI |
| [22:29:11] | Wicked: | lol |
| [22:29:36] | Beirdo: | 2 drives, 100 slots |
| [22:30:16] | Beirdo: | borrow one for a couple weeks... |
| [22:31:10] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: wagnerrp, it appears that the mythsystem rewrite has broken grabbing for multiword titles |
| [22:31:30] | iamlindoro: | QProcess automatically quoted individual arguments, but it seems mythsystem does not |
| [22:31:37] | Beirdo: | I put in quoting |
| [22:31:42] | iamlindoro: | (see e-mail from markus schulz on -users) |
| [22:31:58] | iamlindoro: | Doesn't seem to be working for him |
| [22:32:12] | Beirdo: | may have missed a spot though |
| [22:32:28] | Beirdo: | certainly bug-worthy :) |
| [22:33:14] | iamlindoro: | Looks like you put it in for movies and not TV |
| [22:33:25] | Beirdo: | Oops. crap. |
| [22:33:38] | Beirdo: | OK, should be easy enough to fix |
| [22:33:50] | iamlindoro: | I'll fix |
| [22:34:00] | Beirdo: | sure thing, thanks |
| [22:34:32] | Beirdo: | if not, I can look at fixing it when I get home tonight |
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| [22:35:58] | iamlindoro: | Should be fixed now. |
| [22:36:51] | Beirdo: | yup, that looks good. |
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| [22:43:21] | Beirdo: | oh man, I want one of those... too bad it's 13 years old, and likely totally impossible to find. |
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| [23:08:47] | redwizard_kde: | thanks everyone for help so far, i've got mythtv working on my kubuntu distro with a wintv-nova-t-usb2 and am now trying to get it to scan channels. I've got a digital tv aerial and an adjustable signal booster. anyone know of a good tutorial on getting mythtv to pick up all the transmitters? |
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| [23:11:47] | blizzard_: | hey guys |
| [23:11:57] | blizzard_: | question, where do I create recording groups? |
| [23:12:34] | blizzard_: | I want a custom group so I can filter out and see only what I have recorded instead of all family members junk |
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| [23:49:33] | Twiggy2cents: | so I am messing with this http://pastebin.com/QheUqT6w script. I got it from the mythtv wiki. It starts but doesnt stop the mythtv. I get this when I run it from the terminal ".remotemyth: line 4: [: too many arguments" I am running fedora. If I run the command in the parentheses it works. So why is it too many arguements? I dont know hardly anything about scripting. |
| [23:52:56] | kormoc: | why would you use it? |
| [23:54:13] | kormoc: | and why it gives too many arguments is because you likely have more then one mythfrontend process reporting in your ls |
| [23:54:45] | kormoc: | maybe because you called the script startmythfrontend.sh or similar? |
| [23:55:24] | kormoc: | you should be able to replace `ps -e -o pid,command | grep mythfrontend | grep -v grep` with `pidof mythfrontend` |
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