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Sunday, January 9th, 2011, 00:03 UTC

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zoran119:

here is a new one: *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/mythbackend: double free or corruption (!prev): 0xa463c668 ***

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zoran119:

big backend crash

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wagnerrp:

rodd clarkson is a tool

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dserban:

am I back?

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wagnerrp:

no

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dserban:

:(

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dserban:

Did you get my last query?

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wagnerrp:

<dserban> am I back?

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dserban:

about the time...

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dserban:

So just to confirm my thoughts: I have ntp running on the backend, I checked against time.gov to see if it matches, it does. My recordings seem to start 2 minutes in or so, chopping off the beginning of the shows. I'm thinking this is due to my cable company being off. Or is there anything else I should check?

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wagnerrp:

see if you have anything in your backend logs about all threads being in use

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dserban:

I have looked to see if any of the recording rules have a start late option, etc... nothing. It also doesn't seem like the difference in the recordings are the same.

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dserban:

a'ight

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dserban:

2011-01–08 16:30:14.168 ~MythContext waiting for threads to exit.

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dserban:

Error in my_thread_global_end(): 1 threads didn't exit

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dserban:

2011-01–08 16:43:59.730 ~MythContext waiting for threads to exit.

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dserban:

those repeat throughout

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wagnerrp:

im talking specifically about 'threadpool'

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wagnerrp:

there are some issues with the http threads not being closed properly

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dserban:

grepped for threadpool; nothin'

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wagnerrp:

and when no threads are available for use, my MBE is unable to tell my SBE to start recording

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wagnerrp:

which results in delayed recording starts

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dserban:

hrm, I've also seen the logs complain about myth not recording fast enough (dmesg/ivtv), so I upped the buffers. I wonder why the system's so lagged. Dual core opteron w/4 gigs of mem

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dserban:

But it does have 4 pvrs in it

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dserban:

Gah, I hate having to wheel a tv under the stairs to confirm that the digital boxes are behind on time or ahead.

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wagnerrp:

the cableboxes shouldnt matter

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wagnerrp:

and they should be updated by the cableco anyway

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dserban:

It was worth a shot, but you're probably right, they should be fine. I'm a wee bit stumped then.

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dserban:

running -fixes on this backend

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grumpydevil:

question

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grumpydevil:

anyone an idea why i get a black screen when running myth on screen 1?

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wagnerrp:

going to need some background on that

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grumpydevil:

what to you need?

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wagnerrp:

screen 1? meaning youre running multi-monitor, and youre not using xinerama or randr?

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grumpydevil:

multimonitor with xinerama

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wagnerrp:

then youre not using screen 1, youre using screen 0

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wagnerrp:

with xinerama, all monitors are merged into one screen

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grumpydevil:

then how to i get it onto the screen i want it to be?

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wagnerrp:

offsets

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grumpydevil:

tried geo offsets... same result... also prebuffering pauses which do not happen on main screen

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grumpydevil:

tried it with offfsets in appearance. Same result: black screen

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grumpydevil:

ok, upgrading to the most recent NVidia drivers solved it

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DHR:

dserban: I have 4 tuners in a single core Athlon XP 1700 box. All SD, PVR-150-like tuners. In fact, I had 5 but needed a slot for a SATA controller. MythTV 0.20 — very old.

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elmojo:

jpabq: I think I see what you were mentioning about the occasional stutter for hd-pvr recordings

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elmojo:

should be fixed in trunk now :)

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mjb_:

Anyone out there running Ubuntu 10.10 and have the Streamzap PC Remote working correctly?

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dserban:

DHR, sorry I missed ya, ... yeah did you experience lag on recording starts?

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cipher:

what is the command to get the GUID from usb or firewire?

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cipher:

plugreport

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cipher:

nm

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Hilikus:

hey guys

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Hilikus:

does anyone know by any chance how to enable 5.1 sound in alsa?

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Hilikus:

i manage to make it work in ubuntu-desktop run from a live-cd but not in the ubuntu-server system. here is my configuration http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=4c4553d89a3 . . . f613c55f366f

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clgshaft:

how do i find the mnt point of a hdd, it is showing as being mounted, but want to add to the backend

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wagnerrp:

'df' or 'cat /proc/mounts'

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clgshaft:

hmm i dont see it

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wagnerrp:

'df' shows all mounted drives, but there are situations where drives may be mounted that are not visible through 'df'

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wagnerrp:

while '/proc/mounts' is a direct link to the internal kernel mount tables

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wagnerrp:

it is guaranteed to always list everything

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clgshaft:

his would beit then

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clgshaft:

dev/dsa1

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clgshaft:

sda

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clgshaft:

so on the backend what would i type when mounting?

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clgshaft:

just that?

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wagnerrp:

nothing

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wagnerrp:

because 'sda' is a local drive

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wagnerrp:

you can only mount it on the machine on which the drive physically exists

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wagnerrp:

if it shows up in /proc/mounts

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wagnerrp:

then it is already mounted

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wagnerrp:

and there is clearly nothing you need to do

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clgshaft:

ok well i have a 500gb, and a 2tb, and i want everything to go to the 2tb

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clgshaft:

that drive is showing 2tb of storage

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clgshaft:

and i need to add directories

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clgshaft:

i dont need to do anything on mythbackend?

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wagnerrp:

so you need mythbackend to start using that drive?

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clgshaft:

yes

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wagnerrp:

go into mythtv-setup, storage directories

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clgshaft:

yes

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wagnerrp:

select the group you are recording to (likely Default)

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wagnerrp:

and add a folder that exists on the hard drive

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clgshaft:

nothig is setup yet

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wagnerrp:

you do /not/ want to add the mount point of the hard drive

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clgshaft:

just put /foldername

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clgshaft:

says /Video and all the other folders i have on that drive d not exist

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wagnerrp:

do you have a /Video ?

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clgshaft:

yes

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wagnerrp:

you can 'ls /Video' from the command line and it doesnt error?

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clgshaft:

i have Video, Fanart, Banners, etc all on that drive

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wagnerrp:

type that exact command into the command line

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wagnerrp:

'ls /Video'

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clgshaft:

doesnt exist

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clgshaft:

so the drive must have a mount point

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wagnerrp:

so why are you surprised mythtv-setup said the same thing?

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clgshaft:

i can access the drive and see all the content

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clgshaft:

i am not suprised

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wagnerrp:

from what path?

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clgshaft:

in places it says 2.0TB File System/Fanart as an example

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wagnerrp:

but what is the path?

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wagnerrp:

in POSIX systems, there is only one single filesystem tree

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wagnerrp:

you start with the root mount at /

[05:10:34]

wagnerrp:

and then all other partitions are mounted somewhere underneath that

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wagnerrp:

there has to be an absolute path to that data, starting with /

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clgshaft:

this is for a file – /media/75389441-9573-4323-ada4–4f00a817e045/Fanart/35_fanart.jpg'

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clgshaft:

so do i ned to mnt /media/etc?

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wagnerrp:

so then the path that you would put into mythtv-setup would be '/media/<UUID garbage>/Fanart'

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clgshaft:

thought so

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clgshaft:

thnaks for the help

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clgshaft:

should be fun

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wagnerrp:

generally, anything you intend to have permanently attached would be sensibly mounted

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clgshaft:

i didnt do that

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wagnerrp:

rather than whatever auto-mounted that disk with that UUID garbage path

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clgshaft:

no doubt

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wagnerrp:

thats fine for transient stuff like a thumb drive

[05:13:00]

wagnerrp:

but for normal use, its just messy

[05:13:21]

wagnerrp:

in /proc/mounts, you should see some entry marking that mount

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wagnerrp:

and it should show you what device node was used to mount it

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wagnerrp:

so either edit /etc/fstab directly, or use whatever graphical interface ubuntu uses for that stuff

[05:14:07]

wagnerrp:

and mount the disk to /media/mythtv or something

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wagnerrp:

wherever you want it

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clgshaft:

i am using fedora now

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Beirdo:

hmmm, my tv is doing a firmware upgrade.

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** Beirdo shudders **

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wagnerrp:

thats just not right

[05:24:43]

Beirdo:

installing update 3 of 18...

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Beirdo:

Vizio, you are scaring me

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wagnerrp:

next thing you know, youre getting firmware updates in your watch

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

it woulda been nice if they asked me to confirm first

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[R]:

omg, did you see the watch that can talk to an android cell phone

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wagnerrp:

fixes to handle irregular measurements in the silicon tetraoxide oscillator

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wagnerrp:

bah, tetrahedral silicon dioxide

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clgshaft:

looks like /media/garbage/Video doesnt work either

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wagnerrp:

does the user you ran mythtv-setup as have file permission to write to that folder?

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clgshaft:

i created a folder on it

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clgshaft:

fstab looks like this UUID=4b692476-d061–433c-a77a-b006144424ee /boot ext4 defaul

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DHR:

dserban: I've not noticed lags. I would notice 2 minutes! On another Myth backend, I have a few HVR-1600 tuners for the SD analog section and until recently I've had to build the out-of-kernel-tree drivers to get them to behave. What's your card?

[05:38:45]

DHR:

oops, he's gone.

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DHR:

Superstition: I would not use /media, I'd leave that for automated mounting.

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DHR:

I use /mythspace and /mythspace2 as my mount points.

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clgshaft:

ok

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clgshaft:

my sstem is mounting t for me

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clgshaft:

i can unmount

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clgshaft:

how do i mount properly?

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DHR:

I'm jumping in in the middle of this. Is this a drive you wish to leave permanently mounted (as I do)?

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wagnerrp:

what is the device node and path?

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clgshaft:

yes

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clgshaft:

where do i get that?

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DHR:

then putting it in fstab will do what you want and prevent the magic from doing what it wants.

[05:41:29]

wagnerrp:

the path is... where you want it to mount to

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wagnerrp:

the device node is where /proc/mounts said the path was mounted from

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clgshaft:

i want to /mnt/mythstorage1

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wagnerrp:

and the node?

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DHR:

note: you want the storage group to refer to a subdirectory of the volume. This is explained in the howto. Not mandatory, just makes things work better.

[05:42:18]

wagnerrp:

would be /dev/sda1 or something along those lines

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clgshaft:

wagnerrp, i have no idea

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DHR:

you want to use UUID= in fstab because the /dev/sda1 hame is not always stable.

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DHR:

s/hame/name

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DHR:

why are you asking about "node"?

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DHR:

"node" is not a concept you really need.

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wagnerrp:

because thats how you mount a disk, from the device node

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DHR:

from a pathname which refers to an inode that is a device node. But you don't really need to have that concept.

[05:45:19]

DHR:

you don't actually want to issue a mount command anyway. You want to have the fstab entry do that for you.

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clgshaft:

ok

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wagnerrp:

yes, and you need to tell it the device node to mount from

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clgshaft:

i did my nas, and that was easy, this seems comlicated, maybe i will just createthe folders on my boot hdd

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DHR:

here's an fstab entry I added today: UUID=c2948825-de6e-41c9–8f56-f15cbe4b1f1b /mythspace2 ext3 relatime 0 2

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DHR:

There's no node there. There is a UUID. Much better.

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wagnerrp:

thats debatable

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DHR:

so: debate

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wagnerrp:

the only time ive ever had disks move around is when adding new disks

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clgshaft:

UUID=4b692476-d061–433c-a77a-b006144424ee /boot ext4 defaults 1 2

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DHR:

the UUID is stable; it refers uniquely to the volume that you want mounted. It doesn't refer to the way that the volume is accessed (i.e. which controller).

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DHR:

partitions move also when you add or delete earlier partitions.

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wagnerrp:

only if you actually need more than four partitions

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wagnerrp:

four or less, and you just use primary partitions

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wagnerrp:

which willl never move around

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wagnerrp:

at least with the old system

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wagnerrp:

no experience with GPT

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DHR:

I've added controllers and had changed device names.

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DHR:

afk

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wagnerrp:

meh...

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wagnerrp:

im a convert from freebsd where we cant do uuid mounts

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wagnerrp:

we do it the hard way

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wagnerrp:

and we like it... :P

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clgshaft:

that uuid is not the right device

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wagnerrp:

that uuid is from your boot partition

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wagnerrp:

you need the uuid from the new disk you just formatted

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wagnerrp:

which you get from /proc/mounts

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clgshaft:

this the uuid? /media/75389441-9573-4323-ada4–4f00a817e045

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wagnerrp:

is that where the disk was original auto-mounted by the system?

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wagnerrp:

if that is the case, then you would want a line in fstab like 'UUID=75389441-9573-4323-ada4–4f00a817e045 /mnt/mythstorage1 ext4 defaults 1 0'

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clgshaft:

dumb erros /dev/sda1 /media/75389441-9573-4323-ada4–4f00a817e045 xfs rw,seclabel,nosuid,nodev,relatime,attr2,noquota 0 0

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wagnerrp:

or if you prefer... '/dev/sda1 /mnt/mythstorage1 ext4 defaults 1 0'

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clgshaft:

it is xfs though

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clgshaft:

do i edit /proc/mounts

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wagnerrp:

well then specify 'xfs' rather than 'ext4'

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wagnerrp:

no, /etc/fstab

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wagnerrp:

/proc is a virtual filesystem, that gives primarily read-only access to kernel internals

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wagnerrp:

unless you know what youre doing, you shouldnt be writing to anything in there

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clgshaft:

add /dev/sda1 /mnt/mythstorage1 xfs defaults 1 0 to fstab, but fist mkdir?

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wagnerrp:

yes, a directory must exist there for the drive to mount do

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wagnerrp:

s/do/to/

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clgshaft:

i wrote my nas in fstab, that worked

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wagnerrp:

nas?

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clgshaft:

networked attached storage

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wagnerrp:

meaning you listed your NFS shares there?

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wagnerrp:

such that they would be mounted on boot

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clgshaft:

i added my cifs shares so i can watch all the movies i have stored on it

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wagnerrp:

your NAS box doesnt do NFS?

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clgshaft:

thats right

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clgshaft:

nfs never worked, cifs does

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wagnerrp:

NFS is much preferred over CIFS

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wagnerrp:

CIFS has a lot more overhead that is not needed on a secure network, and it doesnt properly handle unix file permissions

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Beirdo:

hahah, oops

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Beirdo:

implementing the email confirmation... forgot to recompile

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

and I already want to refactor

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Beirdo:

heh

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clgshaft:

didnt work

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clgshaft:

i thought i had to mount the drive first

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clgshaft:

ill try again tomorrow

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clgshaft:

thanks for the help

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wagnerrp:

i said i was going to do a py3x port of the bindings for 0.25 didnt i

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wagnerrp:

i guess i should get started on that

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DHR:

one way to find out the UUID is to use the blkid command

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wagnerrp:

he left

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DHR:

I issued my first mount command in 1975 on 4th edition UNIX. So I'm an old fogey too. UUID is a good change.

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wagnerrp:

well the only time i use an fstab anymore is for bind/nullfs mounts

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DHR:

you use the e2label to control where things get automatically mounted under /media?

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wagnerrp:

my linux frontends are both tucked away, and inaccessible for removable media

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wagnerrp:

and my backend runs freebsd with zfs

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wagnerrp:

which does its own mounting independent of fstab

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wagnerrp:

mount paths are stored in the partition itself

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DHR:

I assume that ZFS does that for a good reason. What is it? Volume groups or something?

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wagnerrp:

rather than in some file

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wagnerrp:

with the design intent of zfs, a single fstab becomes a bit clumsy

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wagnerrp:

the 'partitions' are dynamically sizable

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wagnerrp:

so there is no drawback in having hundreds of partitions

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Beirdo:

it's because Sun wanted to bork normal UNIX conventions... like Canonical wants to :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** Beirdo is cynical **

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wagnerrp:

some bits of the tree you can make encrypted, others can be compressed, other can require duplication across multiple hard drives

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DHR:

to some extent, Sun was the keeper of UNIX conventions.

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Beirdo:

yeah, until Solaris 10 :)

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Beirdo:

mind you, ZFS is a good thing, I think

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wagnerrp:

zfs is very nice, it did a lot of things right

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Beirdo:

essentially giving us free VxFS and free Veritas Volume Management

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wagnerrp:

but it is very pervasive, and goes against a lot of the normal UNIX way of doing things

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DHR:

Last Solaris I used here was 4.3, if I remember correctly.

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Beirdo:

used to cost buttloads to use that type of functionality

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Beirdo:

4.3 wasn't Solaris

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Beirdo:

that was SunOS

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Beirdo:

one is BSD-based, one is SysV based (user tools-wise)

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Beirdo:

it really pissed off a lot of people when they switched to Solaris

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Beirdo:

then Solaris 10 with SMF... and ZFS... eek

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Beirdo:

but :) it's not all bad, just vastly different

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wagnerrp:

SMF?

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Beirdo:

their startup service stuff

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wagnerrp:

ah

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wagnerrp:

well everyone wants to do fancy new startup services

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wagnerrp:

sysv-init is 'old and busted'

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Beirdo:

I forget what it officially stands for... but at work, we have our own (non-channel friendly) backronymn for it

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Beirdo:

no, it's "old and very well tested" :)

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Beirdo:

and for Solaris boxes, quite adequate

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Beirdo:

you aren't worried about pluggable USB crap, etc in the data center

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wagnerrp:

im happy to move to anything written in a language with proper scoping and support for more than just basic data structures

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DHR:

According to Wikipedia, the first Solaris was Solaris 2.

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DHR:

but there was never a 4.6

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wagnerrp:

i really hate looking at init systems

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DHR:

2.6 got called Solaris 6

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Beirdo:

they started using the word, but the OS as it is really started right after SunOS 4.3.1, IIRC

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DHR:

So I was wrong.

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Beirdo:

been a few years

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Beirdo:

not a problem. SunOS was cool. Solaris.. is cool.

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Beirdo:

Yay. confirmation hooks work

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DHR:

I still have some ancient Sun boxes but I don't turn them on. Several Sun 3.60s, for example.

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Beirdo:

niiice.

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Beirdo:

I used to have a stack of 3/50s (literally)

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DHR:

I was going to buy a 3/50 but the 3/60 was announced just in time. Much nicer.

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Beirdo:

yeah, but the pizza box format was nice for stacking

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Beirdo:

a stack of crap :)

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DHR:

both were the same format except that the 50 had a dimple on top.

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Beirdo:

fun to play with

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DHR:

they sure beat the PCs of the same vintage!

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Beirdo:

Oooh, I was thinking of the fridge-sized one... 4/50 or something?

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DHR:

4 == SPARC. 3 == Motorola 68k

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Beirdo:

yeah, I got mine from the university dumpster after a surplus sale

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wagnerrp:

hey, ive got one of those in my calculator

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DHR:

manbe you mean /350 or /450

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Beirdo:

well after they wer crap

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Beirdo:

ahhh, that coulda been it. Been a few years, and I flushed the details from my menory

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Beirdo:

memory rather

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DHR:

It's amazing how little more work we get done with computers that are 100s of times faster.

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wagnerrp:

that depends entirely on your field

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

heck, and Atom (that so many here diss) is orders of magnitude faster

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wagnerrp:

(rightfully so)

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DHR:

true. I once did a calculation that took 10 months of PDP-11/70 time. A lot less now!

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Beirdo:

an Atom's architecture is still vastly superior to that of CPUs of that era

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wagnerrp:

i dont know about that

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Beirdo:

I do

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Beirdo:

I studied that crap in university :)

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wagnerrp:

they started from a CPU that was vastly superior

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Beirdo:

and pulled out parts, and STILL have a vastly superior architecture compared to a 68k

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DHR:

I have a few Atoms. I hate the crippling that Intel did. Like not driving all address pins (barely documented). So the ACER Revo can't use all the RAM it shipped with (4G).

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Beirdo:

68k is way simpler, and has no pipelining at ALL

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DHR:

68020 and later had piplining

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Beirdo:

when it comes to doing assembler... I'll take the 68k :)

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Beirdo:

minimal, yeah

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Beirdo:

actually, I'll take a PowerPC

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DHR:

I think even to 68000 had I and E piplining.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but when it comes to having a worthwhile processor, you would be better off with a CULV Celeron or Core2 than an atom

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wagnerrp:

and if they ramped up production volumes like they did for the Atom, it would be no more expensive per unit

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Beirdo:

DHR: pretty sure it didn't

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wagnerrp:

but since theyre a specialty part, they carry a high premium

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: oh, granted :)

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DHR:

if AMD were more in the game, Intel wouldn't cripple various models.

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Beirdo:

still better than a Pentium MMX

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wagnerrp:

to make the atom, they ripped out parts that didnt need ripping out

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wagnerrp:

which is why its garbage

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Beirdo:

no, it's not garbage... a bit more braindead, sure, but still pretty powerful overall... just not when compared to other things from the same era

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wagnerrp:

the same era is now, theyre still producing them

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Beirdo:

an intentional, and likely stupid, step backwards... sure

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Beirdo:

I know

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wagnerrp:

and the current models are no more capable than the ones they started releasing three years ago

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DHR:

what did they rip out that they should not have? address bits, for one. What else?

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Beirdo:

but compare them to early P4, etc, and they aren't that bad, really

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wagnerrp:

DHR: the whole scheduler

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wagnerrp:

its an in-order core

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Beirdo:

about the same power at like 1/3 the consumption

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DHR:

Current atoms (some) have 64-bit support and all address pins, unlike the first.

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wagnerrp:

the desktop atoms are all 64-bit, the netbook atoms are all 32-bit

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Beirdo:

yeah, it makes them annoying

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** Beirdo is typing on an Atom netbook **

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Beirdo:

gutless piece of crap, but it's nicely small

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Beirdo:

and runs fairly cool

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DHR:

my sons atom notebook overheats :-(

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Beirdo:

got lots of good uses...just keep away from real number crunching

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DHR:

mips/watt isn't too bad, as I understand it. But man ARM chips are better.

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

except ARMv7 is yet another abomination

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Beirdo:

dual instruction set FTL

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Beirdo:

(speaking as one that had to program some before)

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

did they try to pull a transmeta and internally handle x86 calls or something?

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DHR:

thumb and regular? Something else?

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Beirdo:

dunno what they were thinking making it that way, seems they coulda used the silicon better

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Beirdo:

thumb and full arm, yeah

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Beirdo:

ewwww, Carrot Top on CSI

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wagnerrp:

the victim?

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Beirdo:

unfortunately not

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wagnerrp:

pity

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DHR:

one ARM abomination was virtually indexed cache: had to be flushed on process switch. Now fixed, I think.

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Beirdo:

I wanna do some embedded crap again soon.

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wagnerrp:

they could have thrown him into a combine

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wagnerrp:

looks like the carrot... has finally been harvested

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** wagnerrp puts on sunglasses **

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Beirdo:

I should do the USB multi IR box... finish it

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: Las Vegas one, but yeah, that would work

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DHR:

I want to do stuff with OpenWRT but don't get around to it. I also gave away to plug computers (Seagate DockStars) that I wasn't getting to. So I know what you mean about wanting to do embedded stuff.

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Beirdo:

but I'll work on my MUD rewrite for now

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Beirdo:

and mythtv of course.

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Beirdo:

hahahahahaha

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Beirdo:

// TODO(lsm): figure out why mongoose dies on Linux if next line is enabled

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Beirdo:

// (void) pthread_attr_setstacksize(&attr, sizeof(struct mg_connection) * 5);

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Beirdo:

dude was trying to set thread stack size to < 1kB and was wondering why it would crash!?

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wagnerrp:

what is 'mg_connection'?

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Beirdo:

mongoose connection data structure

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Beirdo:

mongoose is a small C-based embedded webserver

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wagnerrp:

i guess that would explain why he had any business fiddling with the stack size

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Beirdo:

yeah, the default is 8MB, I think

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Beirdo:

I shrank them, but not THAT far

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Beirdo:

I went with 1MB

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wagnerrp:

boooo

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Beirdo:

I'll probably shrink them further later

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wagnerrp:

the python 2 to 3 migration tool worked wonders

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wagnerrp:

code built and installed with no errors

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wagnerrp:

try to go to use it

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wagnerrp:

whoops... missing the dependencies on python3

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wagnerrp:

ImportError: No module named lxml.etree

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I wanted to replace mongoose's start_thread with my thread_create anyways... make the logs look nicer

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wagnerrp:

THATs why python.org always takes so long

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wagnerrp:

ipv6 is borked

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wagnerrp:

half set up, and i never felt like fixing it

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wagnerrp:

but it resolves ip6 addresses, tries them, fails, and then falls back to ip4

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Beirdo:

ahhh, that sucks

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Beirdo:

Go, AT&T

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Beirdo:

trying to pay my bill... can't

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

temporary system error

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mattwj2002:

good evening all

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

anyone around?

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mattwj2002:

I am finally getting rid of the 100 GB hd and installing my 2 TB hard for mythtv

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mattwj2002:

:D

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mattwj2002:

*hard drive

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mattwj2002:

it also has now a gigabit ethernet nic

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ANSI colors are a PITA

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Lunar_Lamp:

I've just moved house, and my problem is now I have a frontend box with no tuner and minimal disk space next to the aerial. The backend box with the storage and the tuner cards is nowhere near the aerial. What are the possible solutions to this?

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Lunar_Lamp:

Running a new aerial point will be tricky, and I don't want to move the noisy backend to be in the living room. The best I've thought of is to move the tuner into the frontend and to write the data to disk over the network, but this seems prone to error and slowdowns.

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Guest70429:

anyone who would like to help my get my anysee e30 combo plus working, the problem is the front end id only becomes error open

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AndyCap:

Lunar_Lamp: writing over nfs works for me, but I've got ethernet.

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Lunar_Lamp:

Hmm, OK, thanks AndyCap. How much extra CPU usage would I expect to put on the frontend by recording?

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Lunar_Lamp:

I mean, it's not a slow box, but it's nothing hugely remarkable, something like an E7200 I think (it's in the other room asleep at the moment so can't check without getting up...and am lazy).

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AndyCap:

Lunar_Lamp: hmm, dunno how much it would cost in cpu usage, commflagging and transcoding are the major cpu hogs, and I guess you could still run those on the backend? not sure how the backend will act without any tuners though

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Lunar_Lamp:

AndyCap: yeah, that's what I was thinking.

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Lunar_Lamp:

I would definitely need/want to ship any transcoding and commflagging off to A.N.Other box on the network.

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russell5:

does anyone know if mythvideo with use metadata info form a txt file? like the one the nuvexport dumps out?

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sphery:

russell5: no, the data goes in the database and images to the file system

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russell5:

so i cant like import form a text file?

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sphery:

you'd need to do a normal scan, then a normal metadata lookup for mythvideo

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sphery:

trying to get home movies in or something?

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sphery:

if so, you'd either need to make your own grabber or manually add metadata information with the metadata editor

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russell5:

no i used nuvexport to encode my recordings

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russell5:

and i had nuvexport put demta data stuff in a txt file

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russell5:

so each recording has its own txt file

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wagnerrp:

Lunar_Lamp: you cannot run a backend tunerless

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wagnerrp:

but you can run a 'mythjobqueue' tunerless

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sphery:

and, besides, mythjobqueue takes (literally) 1/10th the RAM that mythbackend takes

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sphery:

russell5: I don't know how you would import that stuff... I think it was a planned, but not created feature

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sphery:

don't know if python bindings have something for it or not

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russell5:

ahhh

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wagnerrp:

i have something, but not something that can use that text file

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russell5:

i will just go through and look them up manually and chang ethe file names

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Lunar_Lamp:

wagnerrp: so I can do all the processing by configuring the backend to push off all post-processing to a different machine running a mythjobqueue?

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wagnerrp:

manually change the filename?

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sphery:

yeah, that sounds like a pretty good approach--maybe you could even write a script to use the info in the file to rename it

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wagnerrp:

yes

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sphery:

?

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russell5:

yeah the file name doesn't have season numbers or episode numbers so myth video is not updating them. i am going through a manuall jamu right now to see

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wagnerrp:

yeah, if you know any python, you could rig something up for that pretty easily in the bindings

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russell5:

thanks dont know any probally be easier to do manual lookup

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wagnerrp:

how many?

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russell5:

mmm 30 or so

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wagnerrp:

could go either way

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russell5:

it might be fun to write a script though so i might look into it

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wagnerrp:

load the filename, pull a title and subtitle out

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wagnerrp:

use the metadata grabber

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wagnerrp:

search for a match

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wagnerrp:

if found, update the file

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russell5:

the filename is already in title.subtitle

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wagnerrp:

pull the metadata for the match

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wagnerrp:

push it into mythvideo

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sphery:

sounds like a new metadata "grabber" script :)

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wagnerrp:

the python bindings fully support the metadata grabbers

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wagnerrp:

you just do "grab = VideoGrabber('tv')"

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wagnerrp:

and then "grab.search(title, subtitle)"

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wagnerrp:

you get a list of matches, you can choose which one is best, pull better data with "grab.grabTitle(inetref, season, episode)"

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wagnerrp:

and then "video.importMetadata(<retrieved metadata object>)"

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wagnerrp:

probably 20 lines and 5 minutes for something crude if you know what youre doing with them

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wagnerrp:

im headed out

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Twigg:

On the Setting_A_Button_On_Your_Remote_To_Restart_mythfrontend wiki page, the second script is supposed to be able to kill mythtv too. It doesnt do this for me. Can someone that knows what they are looking at tell me? It seems like it might not because mythtv has a lock on the focus. But probably not since nothing shows up ALT-TAB

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BobLfoot:

Can a recording larger than 4gb be archived to multiple DVDs – so far every attempt I've made has been fail.

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Twigg:

BobLfoot, use k9copy to shrink it, or get a dual layer dvd

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Twigg:

If you split the video first then make two dvds with seperate menus(They can be identical), that would work. It would be essentially two movies

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BobLfoot:

Twigg: what app/tool would split the video {nuv}

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Twigg:

I dunno, google linux video editing or something.

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BobLfoot:

will do twigg and If I figure out how may post to mailing lsit – thanks for the feedback

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Powderking:

Hi all! Mythbackend get's confused with the two units from my WinTV PVR 500. That's why I'm trying to write an udev rule. Here's the output of udevadm: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/J7XjwZad. I thought I could use "ID_V4L_PRODUCT=WinTV PVR 500 (unit #1)" for my rule: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/JCQRbVTw. But after "sudo service udev reload; sudo udevadm trigger" or a reboot nothing has changed. How should my rule look like?

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Powderking:

Hmm, I found other video devices: video24, video 26, video32, video34. I think they are there for my needs as 32 and 34 seem to stay there after rebooting :-) Sorry for the disturbance.

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JEDIDIAH__:

If the recording is still in it's original capture format (mpg), then chances are that you can use split and cat on the files successfully.

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JEDIDIAH__:

also try kdenlive and avidemux

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JEDIDIAH__:

a proper DVD is going to get split into 1 gig chunks anyways.

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nordle:

According to http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.ht . . . _resolution_ I should be able to change the capture resolution. But under Recording Profiles I see no ability to do this. I vaguely remember using phpmyadmin with 0.21, is this still the case with 0.24?

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: he said he had nuvs... now whether he had transcoded them or recorded off a framegrabber, i dont know

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wagnerrp:

nordle: what type of tuner card?

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nordle:

wagnerrp: DVB (Nova-t)

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wagnerrp:

you cant control the resolution or bitrate with digital

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nordle:

wagnerrp: mmmm. I was reasonably sure that 4 years ago when I was getting my 0.21 install sorted I managed to get different filesizes by changing bitrates and resolution. 680x544 for High and 640x512 for medium.

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wagnerrp:

digital recordings are pre-encoded by the broadcaster

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wagnerrp:

mythtv copies them straight to disk

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wagnerrp:

there is no control over the format, and there never has been

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nordle:

wagnerrp: Sounds like it was just the transcoding options I'm thinking of....I can't remember last week, so memory is not so good. One thing is for sure, I'd forgotten how much tweakery is involved :)

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wagnerrp:

you can transcode after the fact

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wagnerrp:

but there is no on-the-fly recompression in mythtv

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nordle:

That's fine. So whether I choose Live TV or High or Default to record, it matters not.

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wagnerrp:

the only 'live transcoding' that exists is for framegrabbers, which are captured in raw and could not be reasonably stored were they not transcoded

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wagnerrp:

no, for digital recordings, nothing you do will in any manner change the recording quality

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nordle:

hehe, for all these years I've been selecting High for TV programs I liked and fooling myself that they actually looked better. dumbass. lives and learns.

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nordle:

I might as well delete these profiles then and just leave Live TV.

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balor:

Is 3Gib a reasonable estimate of an hours worth of DVB-S mpeg2 data?

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balor:

oh...at SD quality

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Beirdo:

okolsi: you in?

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xand:

if you store videos (not recordings) on a backend are they made available via the upnp/dlna server?

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wagnerrp:

if you set up mythvideo on the backend to use local folders, yes

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Beirdo:

bah, I'm going hunting for food

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xand:

wagnerrp: right, thanks

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: mechanical, pneumatic, or combustion?

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wagnerrp:

or do you just go out there and fight hand-to-hand?

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dewman:

hey there. I am trying to setup jamu and when i try to verify the settings in the config file i am getting a weird error that I am unsure of. here is the paste http://pastebin.com/F6ApFD36

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xand:

maybe I'm missing something but the instructions for mythvideo seem to be for frontends

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wagnerrp:

xand: the upnp server uses the local folder setting from mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

since that setting is local, rather than global

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Sp0tter:

I am subscribed to schedules direct, it works for 1 channel, but it will not work for anything else, i put in the proper xmltv id's from the website and ran mythfilldatabase, but still no guide data, what would cause this?

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wagnerrp:

you must run the frontend, and go into mythvideo setup on the frontend, on the machine running the backend, to set it

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xand:

I see

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wagnerrp:

dewman: you only want to use jamu for mythvideo?

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dewman:

no i was trying to get jamu to just scan the recorded movies for a start. I excluded my videos directory in the .conf file.

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dewman:

err... recorded shows....(was just looking for video artwork for each show, some shows have them while others dont)

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wagnerrp:

just use the command line options to only run through recorded shows

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dewman:

ah. ok. it seems when I entered the one exclude directory is when it bombed out.

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wagnerrp:

apparently because your one exclude directory has a unicode character

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wagnerrp:

handling unicode in python 2.x is a complete mess

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RDV_Linux:

dewman: Right now there is a bug in jamu to do with the exclude directory option.

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dewman:

wagnerrp, not sure what that means....its listed in the file as ignore01: /media/extv/videos

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RDV_Linux:

dewman: What version of Mythtv are you using?

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dewman:

RDV_Linux, .24

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Sp0tter:

any idea why the guide doesn't update even though i entered in the proper xmltvids? and one channel (wung) works with the direct schedule guide

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dewman:

RDV_Linux, with the fixes branch

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wagnerrp:

you havent yet run mythfilldatabase?

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RDV_Linux:

dewman: Give my a second and I will post a pastebin link that can fix this issue. I assume you can use text editor to mod one line of Jamu code

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dewman:

RDV_Linux, thanks.

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RDV_Linux:

dewman: See if this works for you. http://paste.ubuntu.com/552261/

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Sp0tter:

wagnerrp: i have run mythfilldatabase

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dewman:

RDV_Linux, is in the conf or in the jamu.py itself?

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wagnerrp:

Sp0tter: with '--refresh-all'?

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RDV_Linux:

dewman: in jamu.py itself. You can leave the jamu.conf file alone as your entry is legitimate.

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Sp0tter:

wagnerrp: yes sir

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Ba-Zinga:

hey guys I have a questions.. I'm trying to mount --bind some directories at boot. I would just schedule them to run at login however it requires root permission. what is the easiest way to address this issue

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xand:

Ba-Zinga: umm, /etc/fstab

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xand:

?

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Ba-Zinga:

xand, do you know how to bind via fstab? I cant seem to figure it out

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xand:

no, I would ask in #yourdistro or ##linux

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Sp0tter:

wagnerrp: i entered in the xmltv id's from the hover-over oin the website for the proper channels, then ran the fill database with the refresh all, and still no guide data for any channels except 1

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Sp0tter:

other than the standard over the air guide data

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wagnerrp:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux . . . blem-383883/

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Sp0tter:

for channels that have that..

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xand:

Ba-Zinga: apparently just put "bind" in the options list

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xand:

e.g. defaults,bind

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Ba-Zinga:

xand, thats what its looking like to me also lol dunno why I didn't come across this while googling

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wagnerrp:

!lmgtfy mount bind fstab

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wagnerrp:

!url lmgtfy mount bind fstab

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MythLogBot:

lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=mount%20bind%20fstab

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dewman:

RDV_Linux, yep that worked.

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RDV_Linux:

dewman: Thanks I will submit a patch

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Sp0tter:

wagnerrp: any ideas on what could cause it to not update if the id's are setup and filldatabase has been run?

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wagnerrp:

nope

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Sp0tter:

poop

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Ba-Zinga:

thank you sirs that defaults,bind trick worked great

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pheld:

upnp-clients seem to have problems pausing or seeking within DVB (SD and HD) recordings. Is that because timecodes (M2TS) is missing, and if so is there a way to either make the backend add timecodes during recording or is there a way to fix it with transcoding?

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

well I got my 2 TB drive all installed

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mattwj2002:

now I just need to see how much recordings I can fit on it

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mattwj2002:

*how many

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[R]:

mattwj2002: just look at big yoru files are

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mattwj2002:

well it is hard to say

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mattwj2002:

I am recording at to rates

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mattwj2002:

*two rates

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mattwj2002:

1.1 GB/hr and 6 GB/hr

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[R]:

well see how much you can fit at each, and divide by 2

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mattwj2002:

well I am recording a local tv station of music videos that is the 1.1 GB/hr 24x7

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mattwj2002:

the rest is 6 GB/hr

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[R]:

sounds awful

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mattwj2002:

why?

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mattwj2002:

:P

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[R]:

crappy quality

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mattwj2002:

that is as high as it goes

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mattwj2002:

that isn't re-encoded

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mattwj2002:

that is straight from the hdhomerun

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mattwj2002:

720x480

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[R]:

like i said

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[R]:

sounds awful

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kmrs75:

sorry to speak out of like but isnt that great quality – a dvd is 700MB and that is 1.5–2 hrs

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kmrs75:

line

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[R]:

a dvd isn't 700mb...

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[R]:

a dvd is 4gb or 8gb

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kmrs75:

your right i was thinking of some conversions – dvd to avi sorry

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[R]:

you were thinking of peopel who pirate dvds

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kmrs75:

no not pirate back up

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mattwj2002:

what is fun about this music channel though is I can see how many hours I can get on a 2 TB drive

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[R]:

you back up dvds by making images of them

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

and I love music videos

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mattwj2002:

:D

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[R]:

lol

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mattwj2002:

anyone own a 3 TB drive yet?

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kmrs75:

i am just starting out with mythtv – will it play an image – from the HHD i have been taking my DVDs and converting them to AVI so i can play them thru mythtv – am i doing it wrong then?

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mattwj2002:

I think only one company makes it

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[R]:

kmrs75: mythvideo can plya anythihng ffmpeg is capable of playing

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kmrs75:

really – that is good to hear – there is alot of stuff that i have been playing with and trying to set up – i have been using k9copy to convert to avi – but if i can just do an iso of the dvd then that would be alot quicker

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[R]:

and look a lot better

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kmrs75:

o yes

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kmrs75:

sory for sounding stupid – i can take the iso file and just add to the video folder (that is in the mythtv ) or should it be some place else – is there a place for dvds? if that makes any sense at all

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[R]:

wherever you told mythvideo t olook

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[R]:

all files go in the same place

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kmrs75:

ok that is what i was getting at – wow thanks – i didnt know that – i will try that

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zoran119:

is there a way to set up myth so that if i press 'r' while watching a show it records 15 min past the end of the show's schedule?

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[R]:

zoran119: no

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[R]:

zoran119: but yo ucan consequently edit the recording schedule

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zoran119:

[R]: i have tried that but it makes a new recording

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[R]:

huh?

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zoran119:

[R]: say i watch 15 min of a show and think 'i like this'

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zoran119:

i then press 'r'

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zoran119:

what should i do then?

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[R]:

where does 15m past come in?

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zoran119:

well it will stop recording at 19:00 say

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zoran119:

but the show really keeps going till 19:12 or someting

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zoran119:

(they do this in australia)

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[R]:

you can set a global extra recording time thing

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zoran119:

frontend?

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[R]:

huh?

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zoran119:

or backend setup?

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[R]:

not sure where it is

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zoran119:

[R]: ok... so there is such a thing somewhere

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zoran119:

[R]: cool... will look into it

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zoran119:

[R]: thanks

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Twigg:

On the Setting_A_Button_On_Your_Remote_To_Restart_mythfrontend wiki page, the second script is supposed to be able to kill mythtv too. It doesnt do this for me. Can someone that knows what they are looking at tell me? It seems like it might not because mythtv has a lock on the focus. But probably not since nothing shows up ALT-TAB

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Twigg:

It seems to be the opposite of the start part of the script so I would think that it would work similar

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[R]:

link?

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Twigg:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Setting_A_Button_O . . . mythfrontend

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[R]:

ok

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[R]:

"the second script"?

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Twigg:

"A better restart script"

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[R]:

and the first one works

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[R]:

?

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Twigg:

I am only using the second script. I meant that the start part of the script works fine, but the kill part doesnt

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[R]:

are you using ubuntu?

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Twigg:

No, I am using fedora

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[R]:

dunno

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[R]:

you'll have to talk to whomever wrote that crappy wiki than

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Twigg:

lol okay

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pyther:

Hi

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pyther:

I new channel became avaliable on ScheduleDirects and I enabled it, but I'm not getting any info for it in mythtv

[22:14:27]

pyther:

how can a troubleshoot?

[22:14:37]

[R]:

did mythfilldatabase run afterwards?

[22:15:17]

pyther:

[R]: yes I did

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[R]:

i think theres an option to pick up new channels with mythfilldatabase that you might need to run manually

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pyther:

I tried mythfilldatabase --refresh-all still no channel data hmm

[22:26:02]

[R]:

i dunno

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[R]:

it always adds new channels for me uatomatically

[22:26:51]

pyther:

[R]: do you know if it is possible to see the raw data for the channel

[22:26:55]

pyther:

maybe there isn't any yet

[22:27:02]

[R]:

huh?

[22:27:11]

[R]:

if its in the lineup.. the channel is there

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pyther:

but do they have data for the channel?

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[R]:

of course they do

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[R]:

but even if they didnt

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[R]:

the channel is in the lineup

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[R]:

are you sure the channel isn't already in myth?

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pyther:

no the channel is in myth, I just got "NO DATA"

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[R]:

delete the channel

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[R]:

and it'l readd it

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[R]:

or edit the channel

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[R]:

and set the xmltvid

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pyther:

good idea

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pyther:

[R]: hmm it already has a xmltvid

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[R]:

s/set/fix/

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pyther:

as far as I can tell it is the correct one to

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[R]:

hrm

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[R]:

if you go to http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/ and select your lineup, does the channel show up?

[22:34:50]

pyther:

yes

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[R]:

you acn report a problem on the sd website

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pyther:

[R]: yah I might have too, i'll try the xmltv-gui and see if it shows up there

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pyther:

err.. never mind

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pyther:

I drop the database table

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pyther:

runcate table program;

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pyther:

and reran mythfilldatabase and it worked, shrugs

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gregL:

pyther: If you ever run in to that problem again try mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all That always works for me..

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sphery:

I hope you meant you truncated (as you said second) and not dropped... Still, --dd-grab-all (for Schedules Direct users--which, ideally, they will run every day if they're not running underpowered backends)

[22:47:14]

Lunar_Lamp:

Just noticed a (potentially) serious error in the user manual on the wiki.

[22:47:20]

sphery:

in other words, ideally Schedules Direct users have already set mythfilldatabase arguments setting to --dd-grab-all

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Lunar_Lamp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Detail . . . _mythbackend <-- the command there to start the mythbackend will actually just wipe/blank the binary file.

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sphery:

Lunar_Lamp: heh, I think someone meant for that > to be a $ (as in type at the prompt)

[22:49:02]

Lunar_Lamp:

sphery: yeah, I guess that too, but the only 'edit' link on the page is not allowing me to edit.

[22:49:19]

sphery:

I fixed it for you

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sphery:

thanks for noticing

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Lunar_Lamp:

I was just concerned that if someone unfamiliar with standard redirections saw that, they'd still happily copy and paste it potentially.

[22:49:39]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

trunc'ing the binary would be bad

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Lunar_Lamp:

Anyway, onto the question I was wanting to answer... if I set up a box to send processing jobs off to a remote job (jobqueues?), that box has to be a mythbackend right? And, I can't have that box being an opensolaris box?

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sphery:

mythbackends must have capture cards

[22:51:38]

sphery:

if you just want to run user jobs, you need to run mythjobqueue

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pyther:

gregL: ok thanks I'll try to keep that in mind

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sphery:

you configure the system with mythtv-setup as if you're setting up a slave backend, but run the mythjobqueue binary instead of mythbackend binary--and it has the benefit that it takes (literally) 1/10th the RAM that mythbackend takes

[22:52:37]

sphery:

and you're /far/ more likely to get it working on OpenSolaris than you are to get mythbackend working on OpenSolaris

[22:52:58]

sphery:

we don't currently support compilation on OpenSolaris, but it could be made to work with a little bit of effort

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Lunar_Lamp:

sphery: the config I want (well, can manage) is such that my frontend box will have the tuner, with NFS mounted storage, and send all the processing jobs over the network to the same box with the storage.

[22:53:04]

sphery:

(and we'd appreciate the patches)

[22:53:24]

sphery:

well then your "frontend" will actually be a backend

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sphery:

it will have to run the mythbackend binary to capture

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sphery:

we don't currently support tuner-less backends (and there are some known issues with the configuration)

[22:54:40]

sphery:

so ideally, you'd make the frontend box be a combined master backend/frontend system

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Beirdo:

figuring OpenSolaris is all but dead...

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sphery:

and you can have the database server and storage elsewhere

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Lunar_Lamp:

My dilema is this sphery: I have a box with minimal storage, moderate cpu/ram (nothing special) currently running as a frontend. It's near a tv socket though. My tuner/storage/cpu is elsewhere in the house, nowhere near tv socket. I was thinking I might be able to just shift the tuner into the current frontend and somehow sort it out there.

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Lunar_Lamp:

Beirdo: yeah, but Iwanted to play with ZFS :-p

[22:55:04]

Beirdo:

thanks so much, Oracle

[22:55:07]

Lunar_Lamp:

(without using FUSE)

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Beirdo:

FreeBSD is another option there

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sphery:

Lunar_Lamp: and you can set up automatic shutdown on the frontend/backend system and it can still go to sleep when not in use

[22:55:32]

Beirdo:

and myth will run to a certain extent in FreeBSD

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sphery:

won't be any difference versus having the always-on storage box act as the master backend

[22:56:06]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp could give more details on what works/doesn't work in FreeBSD

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sphery:

Lunar_Lamp: in the future, we'll break up mythbackend into pieces--at that point, running a tunerless master backend will be possible

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sphery:

now it's not

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sphery:

at least not without some issues

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Lunar_Lamp:

fair enough – but – when you come to implementing it, just remember my +1 for it! ;-)

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Lunar_Lamp:

(I don't think my demands are 8that* niche, but I can see how it would be waaay down the list of things to hack on in mythtv)

[22:57:51]

sphery:

yeah, it's actually getting close to the top of the list

[22:57:58]

sphery:

it will actually make some other stuff easier, too

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Lunar_Lamp:

Well, I can imagine so, as conceptually it would be making the whole thing more modular.

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sphery:

so now, Capt M and I just have to convince the other devs it's worth doing

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Lunar_Lamp:

lol

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Lunar_Lamp:

So, you reckon my "best bet" is to move my tuner cards into my current frontend, make it a backend, and mount the storage over NFS, and ship all processing off to the remote backend?

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Lunar_Lamp:

(I have no real desire to keep the old stuff – so I'll be starting from scratch)

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sphery:

Lunar_Lamp: yeah... keeping the old wouldn't be a problem, though

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sphery:

and the "remote backend" would actually just be a mythjobqueue server if you don't have tuners in it

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sphery:

and since you said your frontend system isn't high powered, you may want to put your mysql server on the other (bigger) system

[23:05:11]

sphery:

mysql can be a bit of a hog

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Lunar_Lamp:

Well, I don't know the mythtv database too well, but I'm pretty confident I can tune the DB as needed when it comes to it.

[23:06:50]

Lunar_Lamp:

But running it remote would be trivial enough to sort out.

[23:07:04]

sphery:

and, yeah, the added modularization would be great--you'll start up the "main" binary (mythbackend? mythtv? whatever we call it), then it will start up the required binaries for the system configuration (mythjobqueue for jobs, mythrecorder (or whatever) for recording, something for streaming files, something for the master backend/scheduler/data server)

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sphery:

yeah, mythtv has no requirements for where the mysql server exists, so it would work out of the box with the mysql server remote

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sphery:

just a matter of specifying proper DB host name/IP address

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sphery:

I wouldn't trust an atom box for running you mysql server and master backend

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Lunar_Lamp:

It's been a couple of years since I've used mythtv though, so I'm going to ask a possibly stupid question: how simple is it to add videos to mythtv that aren't from tv recording? (e.g. replicate the functionality of something like XBMC with videos automatically added and metadata automatically downloaded (like episode descriptions for tv shows etc)).

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sphery:

but if your system is more powerful than that, it might work fine

[23:09:16]

Lunar_Lamp:

sphery: oh, it's nothing that underpowered, it's something like an E7200 from memory.

[23:09:18]

sphery:

MythVideo is where non-recording videos go

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Lunar_Lamp:

sphery: yeah, I know mythvideo, but last I saw it was very much in a state of flux.

[23:09:58]

sphery:

ah, E7200 will make a nice combined frontend/backend (assuming either hardware encoders (PVR-150, HD-PVR) or digital capture)

[23:10:13]

sphery:

an E7200 with nvidia/vdpau would be a great frontend/backend

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Lunar_Lamp:

That's pretty much what it is sphery.

[23:10:24]

sphery:

and, yeah, it should do fine for mysql/master backend/frontend

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sphery:

cool

[23:10:34]

sphery:

no problems there

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sphery:

if you want to save power, just set up auto-shutdown

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sphery:

and it can shut down when not in use and wake up when required for recordigns

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Lunar_Lamp:

Of course, the simplest solution to all this might be to drill through a few walls and just run a cable for an aerial... ;-)

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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dewman:

what setup is required for the giantbomb.py is that a manual script that you need to run for each game? or can it do a bulk lookup?

[23:12:27]

wagnerrp:

mythbackend works great on freebsd

[23:12:33]

wagnerrp:

you just suffer from a lack of tuner card support

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sphery:

I keep my frontend and backends in a different room from my TV--makes for a nice setup (no worries about buying expensive, but pretty cases or expensive, but silent fans, or expensive, but small, cases)

[23:13:30]

sphery:

wagnerrp: so which tuners work with it, then? HDHR and?

[23:13:54]

wagnerrp:

apparently you can get just about any USB tuner driver you want working

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wagnerrp:

there is some wrapper you can use to run the linux drivers in userland

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wagnerrp:

similar to the NDISwrapper stuff

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sphery:

ah

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sphery:

ugly, though :)

[23:14:26]

sphery:

which work without a V4L hack?

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sphery:

just HDHR?

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wagnerrp:

there are drivers for the older IVTV cards

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wagnerrp:

but ive never managed to get them to work

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sphery:

but for mythtv, I mean

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wagnerrp:

oh, im not sure how is supposed to work

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wagnerrp:

just that it can be done

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if the ceton stuff will work on freebsd

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sphery:

just wondered which of our non-v4l ones would work "out of the box" on freebsd

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wagnerrp:

depends on what chipset they use to base the network off of i suppose

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sphery:

I'm guessing HDHR, IPTV, and maybe HD-PVR?

[23:16:46]

sphery:

probably not firewire

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wagnerrp:

hdpvr would depend on the usb wrapper i assume

[23:17:02]

wagnerrp:

dont know about firewire

[23:17:05]

wagnerrp:

!seen decke

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MythLogBot:

decke was last seen 56 days 2 hours 57 minutes 30 seconds ago

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sphery:

by "out of the box", I mean without modification to mythtv or some "make it look like Linux" wrapper

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wagnerrp:

with no effort, out of the box, HDHR and IPTV would be the only options

[23:17:44]

sphery:

ahh

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sphery:

still not too bad

[23:18:01]

wagnerrp:

and i assume the IVTV stuff would work if you could get the drivers installed

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Joschasa:

Hi. Im trying to get mythbuntu to work and managed to view livetv with my bttv card with sound via line in. But when i try to switch the channel, the sound stops working, until i go back to main menu and start "Watch TV" again.

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[R]:

bttv cards suck bigtime

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[R]:

shocker

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Joschasa:

This is from the logfile: 2011-01–10 00:44:15.267 AudioPlayer: Disabling Audio, reason is: Aborting Audio Reconfigure. Invalid audio parameters ch -1 fmt 0 @ -1Hz

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Joschasa:

yeah, but i only have that card ;)

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Joschasa:

any idea how to get sound working even after changing to another channel?

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Joschasa:

(except buy another inputdevice...)

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nichos:

hi all, has anyone tried using a nas for all the storage directories?

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wagnerrp:

sure it can be done, if you already have a backend, why do you need a separate NAS

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wagnerrp:

just use your backend as your NAS

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nichos:

cooling & noise:)

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nichos:

i havent bought anything yet, still considering all the possibilities

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kormoc:

nases tend to be loud and hot

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wagnerrp:

you can cool drives in a spacious case much more easily than in a cramped NAS

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wagnerrp:

you can fit much larger, quieter fans in a spacious case than a cramped NAS

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nichos:

im looking and the nmedia pc 2000

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nichos:

my backend is also my front end, so im trying to keep it quiet as possible

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wagnerrp:

who cares because theyre all going to be suffed in a basement or closet somewhere

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waza-ari:

Hey all. First: Thanks for the 0.24 release. One note: in 0.23.1, when there where multiple choices when getting details of a movie, there was written the year of the movies. In 0.24 there is for example 4 times the same name and no chance to determine, which one is the right one. In my optinion the solution in 0.23.1 was better, any way to change this back again?

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