| Friday, January 7th, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:46] | ablyss: | hi all, i've finally got dvi out put with sound working on my TV but i'd like to tweak the refresh rate to 25 herts right now it is showing up at 30 herts. This is what my xorg.conf file look like http://pastebin.com/sgA92neN. Any advice or tips would be grateful |
| [00:01:41] | Crys: | blizzard_: Don't do that |
| [00:01:49] | gizmobay: | that didn't work as nothing happened |
| [00:01:58] | Crys: | blizzard_: "Set up a new listings source for each orbital location even if they are all from the same provider." http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S#MythTV_Setup |
| [00:02:07] | gizmobay: | how about manually dl? |
| [00:02:08] | ablyss: | whoops hertz |
| [00:02:16] | russell5: | do git branch -r |
| [00:02:22] | russell5: | should show you what branch your on |
| [00:03:45] | gizmobay: | 0.24-fixes |
| [00:03:52] | ablyss: | From what i've googled, the correct mode line would look like this ... Modes "1920x1080_25.00" |
| [00:03:52] | blizzard_: | Crys, yes, thats what I've done right? |
| [00:04:10] | russell5: | should be good now |
| [00:04:14] | blizzard_: | I have one xmltv grabber for each satellite (ie LNB) im using |
| [00:06:21] | gizmobay: | I can't get mythweb |
| [00:09:31] | gizmobay: | I'll just start over, f it |
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| [00:13:45] | Stevezau: | blizzard_ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/660833 |
| [00:13:52] | Stevezau: | seems its fixed in the latest natty alpha |
| [00:13:55] | Stevezau: | going to run that :) |
| [00:14:08] | Stevezau: | thanks for your help |
| [00:14:31] | gizmobay: | that didn't work either |
| [00:15:22] | Crys: | blizzard_: that's correct. |
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| [00:26:41] | gizmobay: | how can this pull everything but mythweb |
| [00:42:08] | jokajak: | gizmobay: git clone https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb; cd mythweb; git checkout -b 0.24-fixes origin/fixes/0.24 |
| [00:44:26] | gizmobay: | fatal: https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/info refs not found |
| [00:44:39] | jokajak: | bah humbug, i always forget the .git extension |
| [00:44:46] | jokajak: | gizmobay: git clone https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb.git; cd mythweb; git checkout -b 0.24-fixes origin/fixes/0.24 |
| [00:45:35] | jokajak: | i just ran those commands and I have a copy of mythweb checked out |
| [00:47:00] | gizmobay: | thank you so much! that worked |
| [00:47:11] | gizmobay: | I would've never figured that out |
| [00:47:37] | gizmobay: | Don't know why it doesn't do it automatically though |
| [00:47:59] | jokajak: | i'm not sure what "it" is, but I'm glad it works |
| [00:48:20] | gizmobay: | git clone |
| [00:48:40] | gizmobay: | git clone "url" dir |
| [00:49:12] | jokajak: | should have just worked but oh well |
| [00:54:32] | wagnerrp: | jya: yeah, the only time ive done zfs send/receive is when i was migrating from a 2x320GB mirror on my raid card, to a 2x320GB ZFS mirror |
| [00:54:45] | wagnerrp: | only about half full, and i do remember it taking a good chunk of the day |
| [00:54:56] | jya: | wagnerrp: since we last talked, I've transferred 720GB |
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| [00:55:31] | jya: | using mbuffer is *much* faster, I use a 1GB buffer |
| [00:55:47] | wagnerrp: | so mbuffer stores to memory, so the data is available whenever receive wants to use it? |
| [00:55:56] | jya: | yes.. |
| [00:56:06] | wagnerrp: | interesting idea |
| [00:56:15] | jya: | it provides a buffer so it reduces the time the zfs send has to wait |
| [00:56:25] | jya: | though this works very well on gigabit and 100mbit/s |
| [00:56:34] | jya: | I max the link most of the time |
| [00:56:37] | jya: | on local |
| [00:56:44] | wagnerrp: | something ill have to tuck away for later |
| [00:57:04] | jya: | on local however , it feels the buffer to quickly that it's almost always full |
| [00:57:05] | wagnerrp: | at some point, i intend to set up storage somewhere else, and start doing incremental backups of important stuff |
| [00:57:12] | jya: | would have to work with a much vgreater buffer |
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| [01:05:04] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: so what happened to kernellabs over the holiday? |
| [01:05:12] | ikevin-: | \o/ i've finished to have an internal VOD stream working under myth using vlc |
| [01:06:11] | iamlindoro: | yay, more hacks |
| [01:06:24] | iamlindoro: | Integrate it properly, then we'll tell you how awesome you are ;) |
| [01:07:13] | wagnerrp: | more hacks? dont we already have a bunch of perl scripts? |
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| [01:18:52] | RomioTango: | hey guys.. I was wondering... if I do not set up a schedules direct account, is there a way to pull the schedule data for OTA channels? |
| [01:19:21] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: Steven went on vacation for a week, and we had a huge snowstorm when he was away which knocked out the router. |
| [01:19:29] | RomioTango: | I know EIT information pulls, or is supposed to pull, station information however my two Dvico Cards do not appear to be pulling anyting |
| [01:20:20] | devinheitmueller: | We've got everything on UPS, and we have all the servers on network power switches, but we're dead in the water if the Internet uplink goes down. |
| [01:20:33] | wagnerrp: | RomioTango: broadcast or cable? |
| [01:20:57] | RomioTango: | broadcast |
| [01:21:28] | wagnerrp: | your local providers arent likely to provide more than a few hours of guide data |
| [01:22:04] | RomioTango: | thats about what I figured.. do you have to have a decent connection for it to pull at all tho? |
| [01:22:14] | RomioTango: | currently my system is not pulling anything |
| [01:22:14] | wagnerrp: | decent connection? |
| [01:22:22] | RomioTango: | well decent broadcast signal |
| [01:22:49] | wagnerrp: | if you dont see frequent disruption in your video, you should be able to pull EIT fine |
| [01:23:53] | RomioTango: | alright, i wonder if i checked the Dishnet EIT thing |
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| [01:57:04] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: but how do you know it wont work in australia? do you live there? |
| [01:57:12] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [01:57:32] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea, is CI equipment common over there? |
| [01:57:39] | wagnerrp: | i only ever hear of it being used in central europe |
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| [01:59:11] | iamlindoro: | Don't believe it's common there, but think it is used in foxtel systems |
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| [02:02:08] | jamesd_laptop: | what next all the joey's will be demanding a mythtv box in every pouch? |
| [02:03:33] | wagnerrp: | we occasionally have wallabies running lose around here, theyre about the size of a young kangaroo |
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| [02:04:37] | jamesd_laptop: | are you anywhere near all the fllooding that they had on the news here in the states |
| [02:05:09] | iamlindoro: | He's about 7000 miles away from the flooding |
| [02:05:16] | iamlindoro: | Since he's not in Australia |
| [02:05:17] | wagnerrp: | what flooding? im in south western ohio |
| [02:05:30] | jamesd_laptop: | oh.. |
| [02:06:03] | wagnerrp: | someone's illegal pets or something got loose, started running around one of the suburbs |
| [02:06:31] | wagnerrp: | weekend afternoon, police get a call from some guy about 'kangaroos in his back yard' |
| [02:06:58] | wagnerrp: | they figure hes drunk or high or... something |
| [02:07:11] | wagnerrp: | sure enough, there they were |
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| [02:17:21] | geocode: | Hi I am just getting started with mythtv and I am having a problem where I see no channels on the media library -> watch recordings. I have the frontend and the backend on the same box. I have checked that there is only one mysql.txt file (it is in /etc/mythtv/). I just don't even know what to look for. I think the database is configured right (all the settings save etc.). Any ideas? |
| [02:18:54] | wagnerrp: | why would you see channels in 'watch recordings'? |
| [02:19:09] | geocode: | Oh and I can verify that the storage location has the files on it |
| [02:19:17] | wagnerrp: | the only thing in that view is your recordings |
| [02:19:17] | geocode: | Sorry I mean there are no programs to watch |
| [02:19:29] | wagnerrp: | have you recorded anything yet? |
| [02:19:32] | geocode: | I have 5 or 10 |
| [02:19:44] | wagnerrp: | hit 'm', go into the filter settings |
| [02:19:49] | wagnerrp: | make sure you havent changed it |
| [02:20:01] | geocode: | ha! |
| [02:20:05] | geocode: | great! |
| [02:20:19] | geocode: | holy crap. I sure didn't do anything like that on purpose! |
| [02:20:35] | wagnerrp: | seems to be out of the way and hard to hit |
| [02:20:44] | wagnerrp: | but a surprising number of people come in here with that problem |
| [02:20:47] | geocode: | yeah. Thanks so much! |
| [02:21:00] | geocode: | I wonder if something happens on the version upgrades in the database |
| [02:21:03] | wagnerrp: | its not uncommon |
| [02:21:05] | geocode: | it just did that yesterday |
| [02:21:12] | geocode: | interesting |
| [02:21:15] | geocode: | thanks alot! |
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| [02:22:24] | wagnerrp: | anyone around that uses ccache, how large do you have your cache set to? |
| [02:23:53] | geocode: | depends on the size of the projects your using |
| [02:24:06] | geocode: | 1 gig isn't bad — its on disk |
| [02:24:20] | geocode: | 10 gig is good if your working on several larger projects. |
| [02:24:46] | wagnerrp: | im thinking 4GB for now |
| [02:24:55] | wagnerrp: | whatever it is, its getting its own partiton |
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| [02:25:16] | geocode: | yeah it'll be a big speed improvement (10+ times) |
| [02:26:00] | wagnerrp: | basically, im just concerned about mythtv and qt |
| [02:26:09] | wagnerrp: | those are the only large things i ever compile often |
| [02:26:28] | wagnerrp: | seems every time i update my gentoo boxes, theres another qt update |
| [02:26:35] | ablyss: | whoo hoo, figured out my optimum refresh rate should be 60, was in the manual, lol |
| [02:26:57] | wagnerrp: | not 59.97? |
| [02:27:05] | wagnerrp: | this is a monitor, not a tv? |
| [02:27:10] | ablyss: | tv |
| [02:27:24] | wagnerrp: | tv will be 59.97 |
| [02:27:35] | geocode: | all tvs? |
| [02:27:44] | wagnerrp: | all TVs in north america, yes |
| [02:27:47] | ablyss: | ModeLine "1920x1080" 148.500 |
| [02:27:56] | ablyss: | that gives me 60herz |
| [02:28:46] | ablyss: | lol, i had it as ModeLine "1920x1080" 60.00 which gave me 24 hertz |
| [02:28:54] | ablyss: | was little slooow |
| [02:29:04] | wagnerrp: | all north american video is like that |
| [02:29:14] | wagnerrp: | 60000/1001, 30000/1001, 24000/1001 |
| [02:29:20] | wagnerrp: | never whole numbers |
| [02:29:21] | geocode: | cool. Thanks |
| [02:29:42] | geocode: | I have a sneaky feeling I'm going to want to know that soon |
| [02:29:46] | ablyss: | i guess my TV rounds up, on the screen it says 60 |
| [02:31:19] | ablyss: | i also figured out how to bind keys correctly.. pageup now binds to f7 and pagedown f6 |
| [02:34:02] | wagnerrp: | ooh yeah, that was a mistake |
| [02:34:11] | ablyss: | huh |
| [02:34:29] | wagnerrp: | just tried to spawn a new iscsi disk for a ccache |
| [02:34:44] | ablyss: | no idea what that means |
| [02:34:54] | wagnerrp: | but my software target requires the whole daemon be restarted to accept new shares |
| [02:35:06] | wagnerrp: | my netboot machines are not reconnecting |
| [02:35:07] | ablyss: | maybe solar flares |
| [02:35:16] | wagnerrp: | which mean... trip to the basement to hard reset machines |
| [02:35:18] | ablyss: | i always like to blame the heavens |
| [02:35:35] | ablyss: | lol, trip to the basement |
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| [02:37:31] | ablyss: | some guy at the tech store told me component only goes up to 720p but everywhere i read it i find it goes all the way up to 1080p. |
| [02:37:50] | wagnerrp: | yes, component goes to 1080p |
| [02:38:38] | wagnerrp: | but for north america, the best youll ever see broadcast is 1080i |
| [02:39:08] | ablyss: | so, noob question here: if component goes up to 1080p and so does DVI.. is there a good reason to use DVI over component |
| [02:39:17] | wagnerrp: | its digital |
| [02:39:36] | ablyss: | digital means less lag? |
| [02:39:48] | wagnerrp: | digital means less errors |
| [02:39:54] | bindi: | digital either works |
| [02:39:55] | bindi: | or doesnt |
| [02:40:07] | bindi: | with analog you get all sorts of possible problems |
| [02:40:07] | geocode: | hdmi |
| [02:40:09] | bindi: | interference(?) |
| [02:40:25] | geocode: | Isn't hdmi king? |
| [02:40:31] | wagnerrp: | yes, interference |
| [02:40:34] | ablyss: | i thought 1080p was available over terrestrial antennas |
| [02:40:37] | wagnerrp: | analog suffers from interference |
| [02:40:51] | wagnerrp: | while digital allows for redundant data to recover from interference |
| [02:41:04] | wagnerrp: | technically, the ATSC spec allows for 1080p broadcasts |
| [02:41:05] | geocode: | And I was just able to watch some Big Bang Theory on my PS3 streamed from my mythtv. I am a freakin' happy camper |
| [02:41:25] | russell5: | nice +1 ofr big bang theory lol |
| [02:41:28] | russell5: | for^ |
| [02:41:28] | wagnerrp: | but everyone has decided that 1080p60 would require more bandwidth to do properly than the 19.4mbps of ATSC allows |
| [02:41:46] | wagnerrp: | so they stick with 1080i60 and 720p60 |
| [02:42:12] | geocode: | yeah... in another 10 years that will of course change to 2160p or somesuch |
| [02:42:34] | geocode: | So isn't hdmi the king of the connections at this point? |
| [02:42:44] | geocode: | is dvi better for some reason? |
| [02:42:51] | bindi: | hdmi is exactly the same as dvi |
| [02:42:54] | bindi: | but with audio |
| [02:42:55] | wagnerrp: | technically, displayport is the 'king of connections' |
| [02:43:01] | geocode: | Thank you! |
| [02:43:04] | geocode: | perfect |
| [02:43:07] | bindi: | i myself experience problems with hdmi though |
| [02:43:15] | wagnerrp: | single link DVI, and HDMI 1.2 or previous, are practically identical |
| [02:43:16] | geocode: | I've learned so much on this channel |
| [02:43:30] | bindi: | htpc connected to tv using hdmi... green screen. add a dvi-hdmi adapter (from computer), problem fixed |
| [02:43:36] | geocode: | dual dvi (for dual monitors) rocks for the computers for sure |
| [02:43:40] | wagnerrp: | theyre both limited to the same three data channels, and the same 165MHz clock speed |
| [02:43:43] | bindi: | digibox connected to tv using hdmi, blue screen! had to use scart |
| [02:43:50] | wagnerrp: | HDMI has a couple extra pins for additional functionality |
| [02:44:06] | wagnerrp: | and the HDMI spec also allows for audio streams along side the video streams, that DVI does not technically support |
| [02:44:18] | wagnerrp: | but devices are largely intercompatible |
| [02:44:27] | geocode: | thus why the split for computers (dvi) and tvs (hdmi) |
| [02:44:45] | wagnerrp: | dual link DVI adds an additional three data channels, and uncaps the frequency limit |
| [02:44:58] | wagnerrp: | HDMI 1.3 and beyond keeps with the original 3, but also uncaps the frequency limit |
| [02:45:02] | ablyss: | i hear newer vid cards are making dvi w/ audio |
| [02:45:07] | wagnerrp: | so the available bandwidth for both is somewhere shy of 10gbps |
| [02:45:28] | geocode: | Now I just need to get my cable splitter so I can use both tuners on my hdhomerun! Sweet! |
| [02:45:30] | wagnerrp: | displayport is supposed to be rated for 20gbps |
| [02:45:50] | wagnerrp: | plus, there is no royalty on it, so anyone is free to implement it |
| [02:46:02] | wagnerrp: | moar bandwidth means moar betterar |
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| [02:47:55] | ablyss: | so i got a dual link and single link dvi now, dvi only does video, audio goes through separate mini audio jack.... any reason to use dual dvi than single with my current setup |
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| [02:48:52] | ablyss: | is dual faster or something |
| [02:48:52] | wagnerrp: | only if you want to run a 2560x1600 monitor |
| [02:49:01] | ablyss: | ah, okay |
| [02:49:06] | wagnerrp: | dual is considerably faster than single |
| [02:49:27] | wagnerrp: | much like HDMI 1.3 is considerably faster than HDMI 1.2, but in an incompatible manner to dual link dvi |
| [02:50:11] | wagnerrp: | meaning if you are trying to use HDMI and DVI devices together, they will all revert to single-link DVI standards for compatibility |
| [02:52:50] | ablyss: | currently got nvidia 9600 with dvi out to dvi in on tv |
| [02:53:12] | ablyss: | was using component for long time.. just recently got dvi working |
| [02:55:32] | ablyss: | thanks for the tips and knowledge.. great support channel. |
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| [03:05:31] | clgshaft: | how much space should the average hd show take up? |
| [03:05:35] | clgshaft: | gb? |
| [03:05:44] | clgshaft: | ne hour |
| [03:05:46] | clgshaft: | one |
| [03:06:05] | wagnerrp: | 4–7GB/hr |
| [03:06:24] | clgshaft: | ok, so if mine is 2.99–4, i am good |
| [03:06:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | SD? HD? MPEG2? MPEG4? Varies quite a bit. ;-) ^^ US ATSC HD is about 4–7GB/hr like wagnerrp said... |
| [03:06:55] | clgshaft: | i am not getting guide data from schedulers direct |
| [03:07:07] | clgshaft: | cdn atsc one hour, not sure if mpeg 2 or 4 |
| [03:07:14] | wagnerrp: | mpeg2 |
| [03:07:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | so – same as US HD... |
| [03:07:42] | wagnerrp: | if you are 3–4GB/hr, you have pretty low bitrate/quality |
| [03:08:00] | clgshaft: | it is ota |
| [03:08:16] | wagnerrp: | that makes it worse |
| [03:08:27] | wagnerrp: | because theyre not trying to cram all sorts of stuff in |
| [03:08:36] | wagnerrp: | they have the main channel, and usually a 480i subchannel |
| [03:08:47] | wagnerrp: | unless this is PBS or similar youre talking about |
| [03:08:55] | clgshaft: | sorry that is just 1/2 hour |
| [03:08:58] | wagnerrp: | they usually have half a dozen subchannels on each physical channel |
| [03:09:09] | clgshaft: | with scedulers direct not working it is only recording for a half hour |
| [03:09:10] | wagnerrp: | 3–4GB/half hour is pretty good |
| [03:09:42] | clgshaft: | i will send them an email, i am getting the information on the backend |
| [03:10:00] | clgshaft: | info is working for everything but ota hd channels |
| [03:10:15] | wagnerrp: | did you create an OTA lineup? |
| [03:10:40] | wagnerrp: | did you make sure those xmltvids were set for all your scanned channels? |
| [03:10:48] | clgshaft: | on scedulers direct? they have the channels added to their ota for my postal code |
| [03:11:13] | wagnerrp: | they have the channels, yes, but they do not have enough information for you to tune them directly |
| [03:11:17] | wagnerrp: | you must scan for channels |
| [03:11:18] | clgshaft: | i get the guide data for everything but ota hd |
| [03:11:28] | wagnerrp: | and then manually match up the XMLTVIDs in the channel editor |
| [03:11:35] | clgshaft: | i get two of the channels if i select eit |
| [03:11:49] | wagnerrp: | mythfilldatabase will attempt to match up what channels it can automatically |
| [03:11:57] | wagnerrp: | but it doesnt get everything |
| [03:12:08] | wagnerrp: | and you want to disable EIT entirely |
| [03:12:28] | clgshaft: | it is disabled |
| [03:12:47] | clgshaft: | xmltvids is in the channel editor? |
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| [03:14:50] | clgshaft: | ok i founfd it, just need to find the xmlvid info |
| [03:14:55] | wagnerrp: | the xmltvids are available for the channels through SD's website |
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| [03:15:05] | wagnerrp: | mouse over a channel, and it will be visible in a popup |
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| [03:17:27] | clgshaft: | while watching on the frontend? |
| [03:17:45] | wagnerrp: | whatever you want to do to figure out what channel maps to what channel |
| [03:18:13] | wagnerrp: | there is a limited channel editor in mythweb, if that would be easier to use |
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| [03:18:40] | clgshaft: | ok |
| [03:18:46] | clgshaft: | i havent used mythweb yet |
| [03:18:53] | clgshaft: | havent got that far yet |
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| [03:22:31] | Twigg: | Is it just me or is it common that most if not all avi's tear/stutter just enough to catch your eye in mythvideo? |
| [03:22:45] | Twigg: | It doesnt seem to matter which way its encoded, it still does it. |
| [03:22:49] | [R]: | Twigg: just you |
| [03:22:52] | ** J-e-f-f-A doesn't have a single AVI on his myth box. ;-) ** | |
| [03:23:02] | Twigg: | Good, thats what I wanted to hear |
| [03:23:11] | dingus: | hey im haveing an issue with mythvideo, specificly that some (not all) of my videos come out with static for audio |
| [03:23:36] | wagnerrp: | Twigg: thats because every avi you may attempt to use is broken |
| [03:23:42] | Twigg: | I am now backing my dvd's up as .mpg's. I dont have a problem anymore. I just wanted to know if it was common |
| [03:23:48] | wagnerrp: | the avi container was never intended to use any modern codecs |
| [03:24:07] | Twigg: | wagnerrp, like it would help to redo the index or what do you mean by broken? |
| [03:24:17] | Twigg: | oh what codec was it meant for? |
| [03:24:20] | wagnerrp: | plus it hasnt been in frequent use since the buggy hacked msmpeg4 (divx3) encoder was in use |
| [03:24:30] | wagnerrp: | Twigg: crappy stuff, from the early 90s |
| [03:24:47] | dingus: | a copy of the myth log can be found here http://pastebin.com/mzr5rAaa |
| [03:24:52] | Twigg: | yay for old stuff in current usage |
| [03:25:07] | wagnerrp: | the avi container is pretty awful |
| [03:25:12] | Twigg: | So why is avi still so popular? |
| [03:25:15] | wagnerrp: | luckily there are better options now |
| [03:25:21] | wagnerrp: | people dont know better? |
| [03:25:24] | Twigg: | I imagine there is other containers that can compress that much and do better |
| [03:25:32] | Twigg: | Like pirates? |
| [03:25:38] | wagnerrp: | erm... containers dont compress anything |
| [03:25:42] | wagnerrp: | they just contain |
| [03:26:16] | Twigg: | So could I compress a mpg down to what ever size I could compress an avi down to? |
| [03:26:26] | Twigg: | Or no since they use different codecs? |
| [03:26:35] | wagnerrp: | for DVDs, the best options would be to use the straight ISO, or concatenate the VOBs into a single file |
| [03:26:45] | wagnerrp: | AVIs dont compress anything, theyre just a container |
| [03:26:49] | [R]: | Twigg: avi isn't compression... |
| [03:27:04] | wagnerrp: | the codecs used for the streams inside the container are what compresses |
| [03:27:21] | wagnerrp: | VOB is just a container, a slight modification from mpeg2ps |
| [03:27:51] | wagnerrp: | it contains mpeg2 video, mpeg2 audio, ac3 audio, or dts audio |
| [03:27:58] | Twigg: | I was talking about a avi file in genera, not the container in specific. I guess I will throw a number out there. Can you compress a dvd in mpg format to say 600–800 mb's? Or no due to different codecs? |
| [03:28:07] | wagnerrp: | you can, but you shouldnt |
| [03:28:20] | Twigg: | I dont really wanna. I was just curious |
| [03:28:32] | wagnerrp: | there are no codecs in existence capable of that much more efficient compression over mpeg2 |
| [03:29:03] | wagnerrp: | mpeg4asp (divx/xvid) are only moderately better than mpeg2 in efficiency |
| [03:29:12] | Twigg: | I have moved to dumpstream methods now. I think it is just an easier way of cat'ing the vobs together |
| [03:29:24] | wagnerrp: | that 5GB DVD might drop to 3.5GB mpeg4 before you noticeably lose video quality |
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| [03:29:39] | wagnerrp: | h264 was designed for double the compression as mpeg2 |
| [03:29:46] | wagnerrp: | in practice, you can generally get about triple |
| [03:29:56] | wagnerrp: | but that still only takes you down to maybe 1.5–2GB |
| [03:30:10] | wagnerrp: | if its a very clean movie, you can do better |
| [03:30:19] | wagnerrp: | if its a very grainy movie, you do much worse |
| [03:30:48] | wagnerrp: | grain is effectively entropy |
| [03:30:55] | wagnerrp: | and high grain means high entropy |
| [03:31:03] | wagnerrp: | a log of random information that is very hard to compress |
| [03:31:16] | wagnerrp: | s/log/lot/ |
| [03:31:34] | Twigg: | ohh |
| [03:31:58] | wagnerrp: | so these 600–800MB divx/avi files you see people use, theyre complete garbage |
| [03:32:02] | wagnerrp: | and they look it |
| [03:32:02] | Twigg: | So what containers hold h264 files? |
| [03:32:06] | Twigg: | Yes they do |
| [03:32:27] | wagnerrp: | you /can/ put h264 in an avi, but it was never designed for it |
| [03:32:36] | wagnerrp: | usually people use mkv, mp4, or m2ts |
| [03:32:42] | Twigg: | gotcha |
| [03:33:36] | Twigg: | I have another unrelated question. How does a dvd9 to dvd5 compression program compress it? |
| [03:34:03] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt |
| [03:34:09] | wagnerrp: | it just strips out extra stuff |
| [03:34:18] | wagnerrp: | like menus, bonus features, trailers, etc... |
| [03:34:18] | Twigg: | Hmm like what? |
| [03:34:24] | Twigg: | The ones I have done are full feature |
| [03:34:34] | wagnerrp: | well then it actually recompresses |
| [03:34:37] | Twigg: | It is noticablly compressed afterwards |
| [03:34:42] | wagnerrp: | not sure why you would want to though |
| [03:34:52] | Twigg: | Cause single layer dvd's are cheaper |
| [03:34:56] | wagnerrp: | just store it on your hard drive, and put the disk on the shelf |
| [03:35:00] | wagnerrp: | no need to burn it |
| [03:35:05] | Twigg: | Yeah thats what I am doing now. |
| [03:35:24] | Twigg: | But I havent found a good method for storing it on the hdd. |
| [03:35:32] | wagnerrp: | ISO or VOB |
| [03:35:44] | dingus: | im sorry to interput but could i get someone to point me in the right direction for resolveing an audio problem |
| [03:35:49] | wagnerrp: | unless you need to transcode for compatibility with some device |
| [03:35:52] | wagnerrp: | its not worth it |
| [03:36:07] | Twigg: | I guess I can do an iso but I dont want to include both a widescreen or fullscreen(if that was an option) |
| [03:36:13] | wagnerrp: | dingus: static in your audio means youre trying to do digital passthrough, but its not set up properly |
| [03:36:33] | wagnerrp: | perhaps youre trying to do AC3 or DTS bitstreaming, but your device doesnt support it |
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| [03:36:36] | Twigg: | I really just want the feature and thats it. How do I work with the vobs. How would I know what is what? |
| [03:37:13] | wagnerrp: | open up the dvd folder, the feature film is going to be the largest set of VOBs |
| [03:37:24] | wagnerrp: | each video on the DVD is going to have its own set of VOBs |
| [03:37:36] | Twigg: | okay so there isnt any trickery there? |
| [03:37:42] | wagnerrp: | and they will have an intro, and then as many 1GB files as needed to store the film |
| [03:37:49] | wagnerrp: | leave off the few dozen KB lead in |
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| [03:37:53] | dingus: | wagnerrp, that makes sence can you point me at a link, or wiki or anything that might allow me to better solve it? |
| [03:37:54] | wagnerrp: | and concatenate the rest together |
| [03:38:10] | wagnerrp: | nope, never gotten digital audio to work properly |
| [03:38:24] | wagnerrp: | and i dont have the kind of system that would make it worth the effort to try |
| [03:38:39] | Twigg: | digital audio like iec958? |
| [03:39:14] | dingus: | well i know im use AC3 codec, but im not useing digital audio, to clerify, i got robbed like 3 weeks ago, so atm i have a set of 15 dollar cheap pc speakers |
| [03:39:55] | wagnerrp: | dingus: then youre still set up to try to pass digital audio, even through youre now using analog |
| [03:40:09] | wagnerrp: | thats almost always the cause for static |
| [03:40:30] | dingus: | ok your a champ, any idea how i can switch it back? |
| [03:41:15] | Twigg: | in the settings under audio |
| [03:41:22] | iamlindoro: | burglarized |
| [03:41:27] | iamlindoro: | not robbed ;) |
| [03:42:05] | dingus: | eather way they took everything that wasnt nailed down, and several things that where |
| [03:42:09] | Twigg: | setttings>general settings>page4 (audio system) |
| [03:43:54] | dingus: | i have setup->general which contains nothing setup-> audio is useing ALSA:default and no digital audio capabilities are all unticked |
| [03:44:36] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like you are using trunk |
| [03:44:37] | Twigg: | do you have sound on the rest of your computer? |
| [03:45:06] | Twigg: | Go into alsa and mute IEC958 O |
| [03:45:31] | Twigg: | s/alsa/alsamixer/ |
| [03:46:15] | dingus: | iamlindoro, you would b right, twigg yes i do have sound on the rest of my computer, and on most of my videos |
| [03:46:23] | dingus: | also there is no gui beyond xorg |
| [03:46:29] | dingus: | gnome and kde didnt make the cut |
| [03:46:30] | dingus: | brb |
| [03:46:55] | iamlindoro: | dingus, Running myth without *some* windows manager is unsupported |
| [03:47:03] | iamlindoro: | it can be lightweight, but you must use a WM |
| [03:47:42] | dingus: | iamlindoro , whys that? |
| [03:48:09] | iamlindoro: | because you need a window manager to manage the Z axis/stacking and Myth is multi-windowed |
| [03:48:31] | iamlindoro: | you will run into focus issues that appear to you to be "freezes" when in fact you are using a configuration that prevents focus working properly |
| [03:48:45] | iamlindoro: | among a myriad of other weird issues |
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| [03:51:49] | Twigg: | silly question, but if you concatenated video files together in the wrong order. Would it combine them in the wrong order? |
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| [03:52:07] | iamlindoro: | it will combine them in the order you told it to |
| [03:52:15] | Twigg: | okay so it would make one funny video |
| [03:52:23] | Twigg: | or very hard to follow at least |
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| [03:53:05] | wagnerrp: | the files will be on the DVD in sequential order |
| [03:53:17] | Twigg: | I know, I was just thinkin what if |
| [03:53:32] | Twigg: | I figured it would mix them together wrong but I wasnt sure |
| [03:53:54] | wagnerrp: | and 'cat VTS_01_[1–9].VOB > your_movie.iso' should work fine |
| [03:54:52] | Shadow__X: | have anyone here streamed video to android/iphone |
| [03:55:03] | Shadow__X: | looking for some pointters on streaming |
| [03:55:21] | Twigg: | ohh thats a bit simpler. |
| [03:55:51] | wagnerrp: | as mentioned, youll want to cut off that first file (VTS_01_00.VOB) as it will just be a lead-in to the movie |
| [03:55:52] | Twigg: | so I cant concatenate to a different folder can I? I will have to copy the files off the disc then do it? |
| [03:56:18] | wagnerrp: | '> /some/other/folder/your_movie.iso' |
| [03:56:47] | [R]: | its so weird |
| [03:56:53] | [R]: | i hear this loud bassy noise |
| [03:57:01] | [R]: | but its not a buzz or humm |
| [03:57:04] | [R]: | its a thumping |
| [03:57:12] | Twigg: | My first file in that series is 174 mb. How big is the lead in? |
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| [03:57:25] | wagnerrp: | the first file you care about will be 1GB |
| [03:57:28] | Twigg: | okay |
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| [03:58:15] | wagnerrp: | note that youre on your own for decrypting the disk |
| [03:58:27] | wagnerrp: | if you just mount it, you will not be able to properly pull the VOBs off |
| [03:58:55] | Twigg: | doh. It is in the process of copying them now. I have no clue what encryption this disc has though |
| [03:59:03] | wagnerrp: | CSS |
| [03:59:16] | [R]: | they use cascading style sheets to encrypt dvds? |
| [03:59:16] | [R]: | hehe |
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| [03:59:28] | Twigg: | It is copying it. Will it error in the middle? |
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| [03:59:32] | Twigg: | OR just be broken |
| [03:59:36] | wagnerrp: | the file will be unusable |
| [03:59:40] | Twigg: | okay |
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| [04:00:16] | Twigg: | heh it produces a big ole green screen |
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| [04:22:43] | elmojo: | anyone know why mythweb's guide listing would stop mid-way throw the channel lineup (channel 339)? |
| [04:22:59] | iamlindoro: | php memory limit set too low |
| [04:23:01] | elmojo: | the guide on the frontend shows all the channels |
| [04:23:09] | elmojo: | ah... I'll update it |
| [04:23:31] | iamlindoro: | just a guess, but probably a good liklihood |
| [04:25:24] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: that did the trick |
| [04:25:30] | iamlindoro: | cool |
| [04:25:42] | elmojo: | of course I rebooted the web server too but it's probably the memory limit |
| [04:27:20] | wagnerrp: | i thought mythweb now was supposed to internally reset its limit to a sensible value |
| [04:27:25] | elmojo: | I gotta get another hd-pvr now! :) |
| [04:27:28] | wagnerrp: | (rather than the 32MB PHP default) |
| [04:28:42] | elmojo: | I edited the 32MB value in /etc/apache2/conf.d/mythweb.conf and restarted then everything started working |
| [04:28:49] | elmojo: | changed it to 128MB |
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| [04:30:46] | jst: | Where does Myth place transcoded files? |
| [04:31:03] | wagnerrp: | in place of the original file |
| [04:31:26] | jst: | Ahh. So then I could mythlink.pl and cp the transcoded file after it completes? |
| [04:31:54] | wagnerrp: | you would have to rerun mythlink after you transcoded it, but yes |
| [04:32:01] | wagnerrp: | however what specifically are you trying to do? |
| [04:32:18] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to transcode using the internal transcoders |
| [04:32:25] | jst: | Well, there is one recording that I will need to be able to view from across the country on Sunday. I'd like to compress it, then transmit it to my hotel. |
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| [04:32:46] | wagnerrp: | if bitrate is your primary concern, use something that will do h264 |
| [04:32:58] | wagnerrp: | work out something with handbrakecli |
| [04:33:09] | jst: | Hmm, I'd probably need something fast. |
| [04:33:10] | wagnerrp: | or see if there is an exporter for nuvexport |
| [04:33:23] | jst: | I have nuvexport... should I just stick with that? |
| [04:33:44] | wagnerrp: | that is intended more for exporting, not transcoding in place though |
| [04:33:58] | wagnerrp: | you mean there is something recording on sunday, that you want to watch the same day? |
| [04:34:04] | jst: | Correct. |
| [04:34:22] | wagnerrp: | the quality will be pretty bad, but mythweb has flash streaming capacity built in |
| [04:34:45] | jst: | That's not working for some reason. Keeps requesting a password when I try to stream. |
| [04:35:02] | jst: | I did some googling, installed mythubuntu-control-centre and checked that it wasn't password protected. |
| [04:35:19] | jst: | I have an .htaccess file I use, but that login/password doesn't work for files when I try to stream them. |
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| [05:00:18] | wagnerrp: | so with ccache installed and populated, lets see how much faster a build runs |
| [05:02:10] | wagnerrp: | look at it go! |
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| [05:08:37] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: bars and graphs to show the improvement? |
| [05:09:09] | wagnerrp: | 25 minutes to about 8 |
| [05:09:19] | wagnerrp: | but it went from largely CPU load to largely disk |
| [05:09:27] | Shadow__X: | oh ok |
| [05:09:50] | wagnerrp: | the fact that its a remote disk that im pulling on hard elsewhere didnt help |
| [05:10:12] | wagnerrp: | local access and it would probably be well under 5 minutes |
| [05:10:33] | wagnerrp: | unpacking and 'configure' took up about half the time |
| [05:10:47] | Shadow__X: | nice |
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| [05:11:02] | wagnerrp: | well everyone keeps saying to use ccache... |
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| [05:12:05] | Shadow__X: | but that speeds up compilations when its doing the same thing again. Is there that much repition compiling something new |
| [05:12:40] | wagnerrp: | when youre following trunk and compiling multiple times a day, or even a week or two apart |
| [05:12:45] | wagnerrp: | most of it is going to be the same |
| [05:13:19] | Shadow__X: | oh ok. I was thinking of compiling when revision numbers take a larger jump |
| [05:13:24] | Shadow__X: | but it would seem it would still help |
| [05:14:00] | wagnerrp: | a few weeks would be a large jump in revision count |
| [05:16:00] | wagnerrp: | but theres some 1.4M lines of code or so in mythtv that need compiling |
| [05:16:11] | wagnerrp: | its not like we change all of those on a weekly basis |
| [05:16:51] | Shadow__X: | right that is true |
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| [05:47:22] | iamlindoro: | neato, internal HD-PVR |
| [05:47:32] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, A possible contender-- cheaper too ^^ |
| [05:47:36] | iamlindoro: | http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/07/hauppauge- . . . rd-internal/ |
| [05:47:38] | wagnerrp: | something at CES? |
| [05:47:56] | iamlindoro: | adds (unencrypted) HDMI, too |
| [05:48:00] | wagnerrp: | andy walls made some off handed comment about such a few months ago |
| [05:48:51] | wagnerrp: | not even a heatsink |
| [05:49:01] | wagnerrp: | is this a newer chip that it doesnt have the same overheating problems? |
| [05:49:18] | [R]: | i've been waiting for na internal hdpvr for like a milllion years |
| [05:49:22] | iamlindoro: | I would think |
| [05:49:51] | iamlindoro: | Doesn't appear to have the Ambarella chip the originals came with |
| [05:50:10] | ** [R] gets all sad ** | |
| [05:50:18] | [R]: | 159 |
| [05:50:27] | wagnerrp: | he mentioned that the avermedia version of this would do encrypted HDMI if you told it to, it would just send the raw stream straight into the system |
| [05:50:35] | iamlindoro: | Could write some kick ass documentation for the new one and get yourself a freebie |
| [05:50:37] | iamlindoro: | I did ;) |
| [05:51:04] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if this will do the same... although you still have to deal with realtime compression of the massive throughput |
| [05:51:28] | iamlindoro: | I don't see why you wouldn't want to let the encoder do its job, though |
| [05:51:47] | wagnerrp: | certainly not if you dont have to |
| [05:52:09] | wagnerrp: | but it might be worth it to not spend another $200 on an hdfury if SOC ever gets allowed |
| [05:52:39] | iamlindoro: | What does SOC have to do with it? |
| [05:52:44] | iamlindoro: | oh, I see what you mean |
| [05:52:52] | iamlindoro: | you mean take the encrypted stream and strip it inn software |
| [05:53:10] | iamlindoro: | Well, I suppose... I'd probably prefer just to get the HDFury :) |
| [05:53:13] | wagnerrp: | yeah, instead of cable box --> hdfury --> hdpvr --> system |
| [05:53:27] | wagnerrp: | at that point, screw it |
| [05:53:31] | wagnerrp: | wait for the bluray to come out |
| [05:54:31] | wagnerrp: | call it the 'sphery plan' |
| [05:57:16] | wagnerrp: | [R]: its still cheaper than the USB model |
| [05:57:17] | iamlindoro: | Hee hee, January is a fun month for me |
| [05:57:25] | wagnerrp: | unless theyre dropping the price for that as well |
| [05:57:33] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i know... hence why i'm sad |
| [05:57:38] | [R]: | it probably doesnt crap out like the usb one too |
| [05:57:42] | iamlindoro: | We ahve tons of employees starting up, I have to order tons of hardware, and work doesn't care that I file the rebates |
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| [05:57:58] | iamlindoro: | So correction-- March-April are fun months for me |
| [05:57:59] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [05:58:15] | RomioTango: | anyone in here been tracking the HDhomerun Prime? |
| [05:58:23] | RomioTango: | or know if it will work with linux? |
| [05:58:39] | iamlindoro: | Have you done any sort of searching whatsoever to answer your question? |
| [05:58:44] | wagnerrp: | it will not 'work with linux' |
| [05:58:58] | wagnerrp: | as it is not an installed piece of software that needs a linux driver |
| [05:59:01] | iamlindoro: | Since the first google hit for the obvious search terms answers it... |
| [05:59:04] | wagnerrp: | s/software/hardware/ |
| [05:59:16] | RomioTango: | from some forums I've read it sounds like it will be capable of recording non DRM stuff but that just seems strange |
| [05:59:31] | iamlindoro: | Why does that seem strange? |
| [05:59:32] | wagnerrp: | mythtv connects to it directly over the network, regardless of what OS/kernel you are running |
| [05:59:37] | jpabq: | iamlindoro, yeah, when stoth mentioned a few months ago that they were working on an internal hd-pvr, I thought it might be pretty cool. |
| [05:59:57] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, yeah... odd way of handling passthrough, but oh well |
| [06:00:08] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, To me only worth in on a cleanliness level (and price) |
| [06:00:25] | wagnerrp: | yeah, you still need to have the cable box external |
| [06:00:26] | RomioTango: | wagnerrp, how does the DRM relate into that tho |
| [06:00:32] | wagnerrp: | this just means two boxes instead of three |
| [06:00:53] | wagnerrp: | RomioTango: the HDHRP sends unencrypted video traffic to mythtv just like the old HDHR did |
| [06:00:55] | jpabq: | I personally would like it to be like the HDhomerun. But, if it still needs rebooted occasionally, having it be internal solves that problem. |
| [06:01:37] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, wagnerrp, yeah, so they have definitely done away with the ambarella encoder |
| [06:01:42] | iamlindoro: | the press release lists the chips |
| [06:02:01] | [R]: | i hope its got doritos |
| [06:02:02] | wagnerrp: | this ViXS chip is the encoder? |
| [06:02:06] | iamlindoro: | almost certainly a move to fix heat issues |
| [06:02:17] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [06:02:26] | wagnerrp: | that may be problematic for drivers |
| [06:02:31] | RomioTango: | so the prime should work with mythtv ? lol |
| [06:02:38] | iamlindoro: | yes, it'll need a fresh driver |
| [06:02:41] | wagnerrp: | isnt it the handshaking for the old encoder that had to be reverse engineered? |
| [06:02:51] | wagnerrp: | RomioTango: mythtv already works with the HDHRP, out of the box |
| [06:02:52] | iamlindoro: | yeah, but that was on account of the ambarella |
| [06:03:03] | iamlindoro: | there's no indication that would be the case of the new chipset |
| [06:03:10] | wagnerrp: | if you get one tomorrow, you can start using it tomorrow with MythTV 0.24 |
| [06:03:36] | wagnerrp: | there are some setup issues that still need to be resolved |
| [06:03:41] | wagnerrp: | but it is completely functional |
| [06:03:43] | iamlindoro: | Apparently to start shipping immediately |
| [06:03:45] | jpabq: | Too bad it is only single input. |
| [06:04:17] | iamlindoro: | yeah... but I have plenty of PCIe real estate |
| [06:04:19] | wagnerrp: | im wondering why they felt the need for passthrough |
| [06:04:25] | iamlindoro: | and no desire to have yet more cable boxes :) |
| [06:04:26] | wagnerrp: | none of their old cards did it |
| [06:04:41] | iamlindoro: | HD-PVR does, and lots of gamers use it to record games |
| [06:04:48] | RomioTango: | what are your feelings about using a network tuner like the homerun vs having an internal tuner |
| [06:04:53] | iamlindoro: | I think a fair part of their market is HD gamers |
| [06:05:04] | wagnerrp: | RomioTango: i have an HDHR, works great |
| [06:05:22] | wagnerrp: | i would absolutely recommend one for anyone doing development work |
| [06:05:29] | jpabq: | wagnerrp, the handshaking is *intentionally* "cryptic" on external HD-PVR. |
| [06:05:46] | wagnerrp: | since you can attach it to multiple systems, as long as you make sure there are no scheduling conflicts |
| [06:05:56] | RomioTango: | yeah true thats a good point |
| [06:05:58] | wagnerrp: | for normal use? its still a nice tuner if a bit expensive |
| [06:06:09] | iamlindoro: | though $129 now |
| [06:06:12] | iamlindoro: | for the new one |
| [06:06:15] | wagnerrp: | for antenna, its great because you can stuff it in the attic with your antenna and forget about it |
| [06:06:19] | iamlindoro: | (also announced at CES) |
| [06:06:40] | wagnerrp: | run a lossless ethernet line up, instead of a lossy antenna drop |
| [06:07:06] | RomioTango: | I'm trying to decide if i want to get dual HDHR or wait for the prime to come out |
| [06:07:06] | jpabq: | iamlindoro, my PCIe slots are filled up with SATA cards to drive all my hard drives :-p |
| [06:07:22] | iamlindoro: | http://www.engadget.com/photos/hands-on-with- . . . run/#3752763 |
| [06:07:26] | wagnerrp: | are you doing cable or broadcast? |
| [06:07:27] | iamlindoro: | There's the new $129 HDHR |
| [06:07:27] | RomioTango: | it'd be nice to be able to drop the digital cable box and just lease a cable card |
| [06:07:44] | Shadow__X: | what table is the schedules direct info in |
| [06:07:51] | wagnerrp: | program |
| [06:07:55] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, Heh, even I only need one extra SATA card, and I think I have the most storage in mythdom :) |
| [06:07:55] | Shadow__X: | thanks |
| [06:08:00] | RomioTango: | I'll be doing digital cable, analog cable and broadcast |
| [06:08:08] | jpabq: | Amazon is selling the dual-tuner HDhomerun for $100. |
| [06:08:33] | wagnerrp: | jpabq: yeah, street price, its been down to $100 or lower since november |
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| [06:08:45] | wagnerrp: | which actually makes it very competitive with other tuners |
| [06:08:53] | iamlindoro: | Looks like the new HD-PVR may have real time scaling |
| [06:08:59] | jpabq: | I have 10 2TB drives, split into two raid5 arrays. |
| [06:09:05] | wagnerrp: | well... theyre 'working on it' |
| [06:09:12] | iamlindoro: | Right, thus "may" |
| [06:09:21] | iamlindoro: | The chip seems to be capable of it |
| [06:09:30] | RomioTango: | currently I have (2) digital tuners which tune OTA broadcast, (1) analog tuner capturing cable box output & (1) analog tuner tuning analog cable |
| [06:09:48] | iamlindoro: | Interestingly, the chip also appears capable of MPEG-2 and VC-1 output |
| [06:10:02] | iamlindoro: | and divx |
| [06:10:11] | wagnerrp: | are the new HDHRs in multiple colors? or is that just someone who doesnt understand how to use the white balance on their camera? |
| [06:10:48] | iamlindoro: | Heh, and tons and tons of audio codecs |
| [06:10:59] | iamlindoro: | Looks like Haupp is just using a fraction of what this thing can do |
| [06:11:16] | [R]: | stop making me more sad :( |
| [06:11:33] | RomioTango: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 03-_-Product |
| [06:11:36] | RomioTango: | jackpot |
| [06:12:03] | wagnerrp: | recertified though |
| [06:12:09] | iamlindoro: | Heh, this will make you even sadder |
| [06:12:10] | wagnerrp: | that gear is usually hit or miss |
| [06:12:16] | iamlindoro: | Appears it will do 2–12x realtime encoding |
| [06:12:24] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [06:12:24] | [R]: | iamlindoro: meaning? |
| [06:12:25] | iamlindoro: | so technically, you could use it as a transcode engine too, theoretically |
| [06:12:32] | wagnerrp: | as in you can pass video into it, and get other video back out? |
| [06:12:39] | RomioTango: | i've bought a recert mobo, lcd tv, saws, sanders, etc lol |
| [06:12:41] | RomioTango: | I'm not scared |
| [06:13:13] | iamlindoro: | It basically appears to be able to output anything up to and including Blu-ray compliant streams |
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| [06:13:20] | wagnerrp: | sounds like the stuff in intels new processors |
| [06:13:28] | iamlindoro: | thus, up to 40 mbit, supports exotic HD codecs like DTS-HD, all the blu-ray video codecs, etc. |
| [06:14:00] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, I suspect that the way the hardware is designed will render many of those things impossible, but you never know |
| [06:14:34] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: how would i lookup my schedules direct password from the table |
| [06:14:34] | iamlindoro: | Even does on-chip DRM en/decryption |
| [06:14:41] | wagnerrp: | this is a full SOC? |
| [06:14:44] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [06:15:11] | wagnerrp: | ethernet, sata, usb, flash |
| [06:15:18] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, hehe, if you wanted to be really nasty, you could have the SOC do the HDMI stripping for you |
| [06:15:20] | wagnerrp: | plus support for cablecard, smartcard, CI |
| [06:15:32] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if they plan on using this for their full line of stuff |
| [06:15:47] | wagnerrp: | theyre working on a cablecard tuner arent they? |
| [06:15:57] | iamlindoro: | they're going to ship a rebranded HDHR Prime |
| [06:16:05] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [06:16:22] | iamlindoro: | SD's knowhow/finished certification, Hauppauges Retail channels, everyone wins |
| [06:18:04] | RomioTango: | do you guys think this mobo + int. graphics could handle bluray / 1080p? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 36-_-Product |
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| [06:18:28] | wagnerrp: | usable as a frontend |
| [06:18:33] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt run a backend on it |
| [06:18:47] | RomioTango: | oh yeah this would be a pure FE box |
| [06:19:40] | RomioTango: | I'm trying to build an ITX FE-only box that'll play full 1080p content |
| [06:19:47] | RomioTango: | and on the cheap.. |
| [06:20:14] | wagnerrp: | if you really want to go atom, i would get this one instead... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500027 |
| [06:20:48] | wagnerrp: | pay the extra $20 for a power supply |
| [06:20:55] | RomioTango: | I dont really care if I go atom, regular intel dual or even AMD dual |
| [06:21:18] | wagnerrp: | if you do go atom, understand the consequences |
| [06:21:24] | [R]: | i heart my zotac |
| [06:21:34] | wagnerrp: | namely that you dont have any power to handle anything HD that VDPAU wont do for youp |
| [06:21:36] | [R]: | its so tiny and cute |
| [06:22:02] | RomioTango: | wagnerrp, price wise its not much of an add to go INTEL dual-core is it? |
| [06:22:14] | RomioTango: | tho I'm still considering AMD |
| [06:22:31] | wagnerrp: | maybe $25 more for AMD, $50 more for intel |
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| [06:22:35] | RomioTango: | [R] what process does your zotac have? |
| [06:22:46] | [R]: | RomioTango: its pretty mcuh taht same board wagnerrp linked |
| [06:22:58] | [R]: | actually ,i have the single core version |
| [06:23:13] | RomioTango: | [R] have you had any issues w/ playback of any form of media? |
| [06:23:22] | RomioTango: | ever any lack of CPU? |
| [06:23:24] | [R]: | RomioTango: i only play content taht vdpau can handle |
| [06:23:30] | [R]: | so the cpu is irrelevant |
| [06:23:35] | RomioTango: | yeah true |
| [06:23:49] | RomioTango: | thats just it.. I'm not sure if I'll ever need the power |
| [06:24:07] | RomioTango: | I think most/all will be vdpau also |
| [06:24:43] | [R]: | they put drugs in the gas tank |
| [06:24:46] | [R]: | what will they think of next! |
| [06:24:53] | jya: | J-e-f-f-A: my worse fear came through... took the drive out of the raid card ; can't be read elsewhere... |
| [06:25:09] | jya: | luckily I created a raidz2 array, so I can move the drives twice at a time |
| [06:25:27] | wagnerrp: | thats bogus |
| [06:25:40] | wagnerrp: | whats the point of supporting passthrough disks if you have to keep them attached to the array? |
| [06:25:53] | jya: | wagnerrp: i don't think it supports passthrough |
| [06:25:55] | wagnerrp: | whats the point of doing mirrors if you have to keep them attached to the array |
| [06:26:03] | ** wagnerrp remembers never to buy any rocketraid products ** | |
| [06:26:08] | jya: | as I said earlier, I had to create a "jbod" array of one drive |
| [06:26:31] | jya: | the weird thing is that attached to the raid card, zpool has no problem importing them |
| [06:26:52] | Shadow__X: | thats still dumb though |
| [06:26:56] | jya: | but when on the ICH10 controller, it tells me that it's using a newer version of zfs as as such can't be imported |
| [06:27:10] | [R]: | iamlindoro: you once told me that making a list wrap to the top when using pagedonw is part of theme... is it easy to make a theme handle that? |
| [06:27:45] | jya: | what's very frustrating, is that the first time, it did make my disk available just as passthrough... it must write some stuff on the first blocks (or last) such as the name of the jbod etc... |
| [06:28:01] | jya: | but what a fucking waste of time everything was.. |
| [06:28:18] | jya: | 24 hours I've been struggling to get that card to not crash, then copy everything |
| [06:28:38] | jya: | and now I have to go.. it's resilvering, two disks to go, left instructions .. hopefully everything will be fine |
| [06:28:49] | jya: | allright see ya guys. have a nice week-end |
| [06:29:31] | dingus: | can i offer my appoligies for running off on iamlinoro and wagnerrp earler, somthing vey quickly came up |
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| [06:36:00] | RomioTango: | wagnerrp, a while ago you posted a could wish lists for ITX frontends.. I thought I had saved them but it turns out I didn't. You still have them by chance? |
| [06:37:22] | wagnerrp: | AMD: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishD . . . ber=19029067 |
| [06:37:42] | wagnerrp: | intel: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishD . . . ber=19029107 |
| [06:38:04] | RomioTango: | any pro or con to amd v intel>? |
| [06:38:28] | wagnerrp: | the intel one is more powerful, the amd one has better graphics |
| [06:38:59] | wagnerrp: | technically, the intel one actually has a more powerful graphics chip, but no usable hardware decode acceleration |
| [06:39:30] | wagnerrp: | whoops |
| [06:39:39] | wagnerrp: | ive got DDR2 in there, the intel one takes DDR3 |
| [06:39:45] | RomioTango: | wagnerrp, that AMD board doesnt have hdmi does it? |
| [06:39:57] | wagnerrp: | doesnt it? |
| [06:40:02] | wagnerrp: | no, it seems not |
| [06:40:14] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if you could do audio over the DVI port |
| [06:40:32] | RomioTango: | my understanding is no |
| [06:40:46] | RomioTango: | all pins are taken for digital-video-interface |
| [06:40:57] | RomioTango: | but i could be wrong on the pin utilization |
| [06:40:58] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [06:41:15] | wagnerrp: | all data is passed through three twisted pairs |
| [06:41:17] | RomioTango: | either way it'd take more modification than I want to pursue for this box lol |
| [06:41:22] | wagnerrp: | its the same on DVI and HDMI |
| [06:41:35] | wagnerrp: | its just a question of whether the board supports audio over that port |
| [06:42:07] | RomioTango: | i didn't think it was possible to pass audio thru dvi ports |
| [06:42:34] | wagnerrp: | the data pins are identical between DVI and HDMI |
| [06:42:43] | wagnerrp: | thats why you can have gender changers without any real circuitry |
| [06:42:56] | Beirdo: | well, a subset of DVI :) |
| [06:42:57] | wagnerrp: | its just a 3-channel serial interface |
| [06:43:14] | wagnerrp: | the question is whether the TMDS transmitters on the board support audio or not |
| [06:43:15] | RomioTango: | hmm I'm going to have to research this further |
| [06:43:21] | RomioTango: | yeah |
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| [06:43:29] | wagnerrp: | which is really independent of the plug they solder onto the board |
| [06:43:47] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: more of a shared common ground |
| [06:44:09] | wagnerrp: | since they both have non-compatible features independent of each other |
| [06:44:18] | Beirdo: | don't forget that DVI includes more than one type of interface |
| [06:44:40] | Beirdo: | one's analog, and is VGA-compatible. One's digital, and is HDMI-compatible |
| [06:44:54] | Beirdo: | and... there are even in existance cables with both |
| [06:44:56] | wagnerrp: | i intentionally ignore DVI-A |
| [06:45:04] | wagnerrp: | (and DVI-I) |
| [06:45:23] | Beirdo: | DVI-I includes DVI-D, so it should work too |
| [06:46:04] | Beirdo: | dang, there's a variant with USB too?! |
| [06:46:19] | RomioTango: | what is D-Sub ? |
| [06:46:20] | Beirdo: | come on guys, stop trying to confuse people! |
| [06:46:26] | wagnerrp: | is that like DBD-59 or something? |
| [06:46:43] | wagnerrp: | RomioTango: the flat pin with the 4-pin cluster around it is analog |
| [06:46:52] | [R]: | ffs |
| [06:46:58] | [R]: | i have 18 shows scheduled to record tomorrow |
| [06:47:34] | RomioTango: | hmm |
| [06:50:31] | RomioTango: | wagnerrp, going back to this motherboard.. the audio would have to be being passed by DVI port. I would assume at least |
| [06:50:32] | RomioTango: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500021 |
| [06:50:56] | wagnerrp: | why? it has audio jacks on the back |
| [06:51:03] | RomioTango: | 6-ch audio w/ only a stereo pin output... you'd think it'd be passing via dvi |
| [06:52:15] | dingus: | hey once again not meaning to interput but what would this error be denoteant of "2011-01–07 06:42:12.070 PulseAudio Error: ContextConnect, context connection failed or terminated: Connection refused" |
| [06:53:27] | [R]: | pulseaudio sucking? |
| [06:54:08] | dingus: | agreed |
| [06:54:16] | dingus: | but i didnt think mythtv used pulse audio |
| [06:54:39] | [R]: | having it hang around screws stuff up sometimes |
| [06:54:40] | RomioTango: | it'll use w/e u tell it to |
| [06:55:45] | dingus: | im telling it to use alsa:front:CARD=CMI8738,DEV=1, and i also have supertux on my mythbox, which requires pulse audio installed |
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| [06:56:37] | RomioTango: | wagnerrp, any reason you put an i3 on that intel wishlist rather than E3500? |
| [06:57:05] | wagnerrp: | because... the board doesnt take an E3500? |
| [06:57:09] | RomioTango: | wait..just noticed u have a diff board |
| [06:57:10] | RomioTango: | lol |
| [06:57:26] | RomioTango: | sorry i'm an idiot |
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| [07:08:17] | RomioTango: | wagnerrp, you still there? |
| [07:09:52] | wagnerrp: | not for long |
| [07:10:42] | dingus: | ok to butt in again im still haveing sound issues that for the life of me i cant resolve the issue is quite obviously that ac3 is going through as digital, but i cant work out how to disable digital audio |
| [07:10:56] | RomioTango: | https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWis . . . ?ID=10907509 |
| [07:11:14] | RomioTango: | wagnerrp, take a look at that wishlist let me know what you think |
| [07:11:18] | RomioTango: | i'm about to order... |
| [07:11:26] | RomioTango: | please and thank you ;) |
| [07:11:31] | wagnerrp: | cant |
| [07:11:41] | wagnerrp: | thats not my saved wishlist |
| [07:11:46] | wagnerrp: | you need to make it public |
| [07:11:51] | RomioTango: | i did |
| [07:12:02] | RomioTango: | search for the id# in the URL |
| [07:12:14] | RomioTango: | in theory that should work at least |
| [07:12:26] | wagnerrp: | then this is the proper URL... http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishD . . . ber=10907509 |
| [07:12:56] | wagnerrp: | if you are using that board, i would get a discrete nvidia card |
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| [07:13:22] | RomioTango: | wagnerrp, what do you mean? |
| [07:13:33] | wagnerrp: | the older intel graphics chips suck |
| [07:13:41] | RomioTango: | ohh |
| [07:14:04] | wagnerrp: | the graphics in the G43 have about a quarter the performance as those in the GMAHD and embedded nvidia chips |
| [07:14:20] | RomioTango: | got cha |
| [07:14:54] | wagnerrp: | does that case actually take a full size 5.25" bay? |
| [07:15:13] | RomioTango: | i believe so |
| [07:15:33] | wagnerrp: | do you need a DVD drive? |
| [07:15:43] | RomioTango: | I'd like to have it yeah |
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| [07:16:01] | RomioTango: | dunno what room that box will be used in 3yrs from now... |
| [07:16:02] | Beirdo: | hehe. I got screwed on that count |
| [07:16:13] | wagnerrp: | a 450W power supply for $38 is a bit low for my tastes |
| [07:16:28] | wagnerrp: | getting it along with a case and card reader is outrageous |
| [07:16:30] | Beirdo: | my FE case has a full-size ba... but it's optical only, with a stupid flappy door |
| [07:16:37] | RomioTango: | yeah but i can always replace it when the magic smoke comes out |
| [07:16:44] | wagnerrp: | i would expect it to be unstable, and start frying components within a year |
| [07:17:10] | RomioTango: | I've yet to have one fry any components.. only itself lol |
| [07:17:20] | Beirdo: | I wanted to put in an LCD module |
| [07:17:35] | Beirdo: | it will fit easy, but flappy door = no LCD |
| [07:18:53] | wagnerrp: | remove the flap, use the alternate screw holes on the LCD module to push it forward to the bezel |
| [07:19:06] | Beirdo: | can't |
| [07:19:18] | wagnerrp: | not large enough? |
| [07:19:23] | Beirdo: | the flap is just big enough to let the drive shelf out |
| [07:19:32] | wagnerrp: | looks full size to me |
| [07:19:40] | Beirdo: | I'd have to dremel tool the front panel |
| [07:19:45] | RomioTango: | wagnerrp, what do you think of this mobo |
| [07:19:46] | RomioTango: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500060 |
| [07:19:54] | wagnerrp: | there is a top half and a bottom half |
| [07:19:54] | [R]: | haha |
| [07:19:59] | [R]: | this for profit college changed their name |
| [07:20:02] | [R]: | i wonder why... |
| [07:20:05] | wagnerrp: | you cant just rip both of those out and shove the module through? |
| [07:20:13] | Beirdo: | not on my case, no |
| [07:20:20] | RomioTango: | I have the same integrated graphics in my master be/fe and i haven't noticed any issues yet... |
| [07:20:32] | wagnerrp: | RomioTango: junk |
| [07:20:33] | Beirdo: | there's a top half which is a flap, and the bottom half is solid |
| [07:20:42] | RomioTango: | wagnerrp, why do you say that? |
| [07:20:47] | wagnerrp: | and graphics |
| [07:21:12] | RomioTango: | I haven't had any problems with mine... |
| [07:21:21] | wagnerrp: | AMD graphics, rather |
| [07:21:37] | wagnerrp: | they are to be avoided in mythtv if at all possible |
| [07:21:45] | RomioTango: | yeah but the 4250 seems to b alright |
| [07:21:47] | Beirdo: | but anyways... I'll use it later, but I have a pretty Antec VFD + volume + IR receiver sitting on the shelf |
| [07:21:48] | RomioTango: | yeah i know |
| [07:21:57] | RomioTango: | just dont know that its worth the added cost |
| [07:22:15] | wagnerrp: | so that bottom sliver with the button cannot be removed? |
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| [07:22:31] | Beirdo: | that's not the same case I have |
| [07:22:45] | Beirdo: | looks similar size though |
| [07:22:48] | wagnerrp: | oh, youre not talking about the lianli? |
| [07:22:55] | Beirdo: | oh, it has one too |
| [07:22:56] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:23:00] | Beirdo: | that's the backend |
| [07:23:08] | wagnerrp: | which one are you talking about? |
| [07:23:10] | Beirdo: | no the frontend's in a tiny FoxConn box |
| [07:23:28] | Beirdo: | Core2 style mobo |
| [07:23:33] | Beirdo: | let me find it |
| [07:24:07] | Beirdo: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119021 |
| [07:24:09] | Beirdo: | that one |
| [07:24:34] | wagnerrp: | bah, dremel it |
| [07:24:50] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:25:01] | Beirdo: | I'll consider it |
| [07:25:12] | wagnerrp: | man, IRC really needs font control |
| [07:25:18] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:25:26] | Beirdo: | I like my courier |
| [07:25:28] | RomioTango: | wagnerrp, what is more junk |
| [07:25:32] | RomioTango: | board A http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500042 |
| [07:25:38] | Beirdo: | oh wait, that's my ssh connection |
| [07:25:41] | [R]: | wagnerrp: we don't need irc turning into msn |
| [07:25:46] | RomioTango: | or board B http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500060 |
| [07:25:55] | wagnerrp: | [R]: i just want to make tiny text |
| [07:26:08] | wagnerrp: | <whisper>dremel it</whisper> |
| [07:26:11] | [R]: | lol |
| [07:26:21] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:26:34] | Beirdo: | the evil wagnerrp on the shoulder whispering in the ear |
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| [07:27:08] | Beirc1o: | i think you should dremel it too |
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| [07:27:57] | wagnerrp: | RomioTango: honestly, between those two i would abstain |
| [07:28:05] | RomioTango: | lol |
| [07:28:12] | Beirdo: | oooh, board A has minipcie :) |
| [07:28:15] | RomioTango: | well dang it I need something cheap ;) |
| [07:28:24] | Beirdo: | or is that minipci |
| [07:28:44] | wagnerrp: | i highly doubt anyone is making parts with mini-pci |
| [07:29:05] | Beirdo: | heh. There are SOOO many available cards though |
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| [07:29:34] | Beirdo: | yeah, it says minipcie on the details page |
| [07:29:57] | Beirdo: | looks like half-length |
| [07:30:05] | clever: | Beirdo: hard to tell if its minipci or minipcie, but its already occupied with a wifi card |
| [07:30:16] | Beirdo: | can probably get a CrystalHD in there |
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| [07:30:19] | clever: | i think its minipci |
| [07:30:28] | Beirdo: | it's minipci-e |
| [07:30:41] | clever: | seems a bit wide, but there not much for scale |
| [07:30:52] | Beirdo: | no, it's just that small |
| [07:30:52] | clever: | my minipci-e cards are alot longer then they are wide |
| [07:31:04] | Beirdo: | that's about 1" square |
| [07:31:22] | Beirdo: | what part of "looks like half-length" did you not get? :) |
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| [07:31:44] | clever: | i see that now |
| [07:31:46] | [R]: | what a time to take a break from 'that's what she said' |
| [07:32:09] | Beirdo: | mini ITX is such a tiny format |
| [07:32:31] | [R]: | now you're juts being mean |
| [07:32:35] | Beirdo: | actually, they BOTH have minipci-e half-length |
| [07:34:24] | Beirdo: | RomioTango: of those 2, board A (the intel one) has better choices for video expansion |
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| [07:34:57] | Beirdo: | PCIe x16 rather than x1 |
| [07:35:30] | Beirdo: | so if you *wanted* to go with VDPAU, it would certainly work better |
| [07:36:55] | Beirdo: | and it's fairly similar to the mobo in my foxconn box (it was prebundled) |
| [07:38:27] | RomioTango: | wagnerrp, what do you think of this |
| [07:38:28] | RomioTango: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153174 |
| [07:38:57] | wagnerrp: | they made a 9100M? |
| [07:39:05] | RomioTango: | evidently so |
| [07:39:10] | Beirdo: | oh look, an ION :) |
| [07:39:12] | wagnerrp: | also realize that you are going to pay a premium for that socket P processor |
| [07:39:16] | wagnerrp: | no, not an ION |
| [07:39:36] | ** Beirdo was joking... kinda ** | |
| [07:39:50] | RomioTango: | not if i take it out of this laptop.. haha yeah you're right :-\ grrr |
| [07:39:51] | Beirdo: | the GPU's what nvidia is now calling the ION, no? |
| [07:40:13] | wagnerrp: | whats wrong with this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500035 |
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| [07:40:53] | RomioTango: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500050 |
| [07:41:14] | RomioTango: | same one i sent lol well price.. :-\ |
| [07:41:22] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: oooh, I like that one |
| [07:42:01] | Beirdo: | what's the relative perfomance of 9300 for VDPAU? |
| [07:42:25] | wagnerrp: | you use the Normal profile |
| [07:42:50] | Beirdo: | not bad at all |
| [07:43:10] | Beirdo: | the height of that heat sink could be an issue in some miniITX cases though |
| [07:43:17] | Beirdo: | something to watch out for |
| [07:43:59] | Beirdo: | it's probably OK unless something like a drive bay wants taht space :) |
| [07:44:08] | Beirdo: | or a power supply |
| [07:44:29] | Beirdo: | they should show 3d models of all the parts so you can put em together before buying |
| [07:44:53] | wagnerrp: | EggCAD |
| [07:45:00] | Beirdo: | yeah ;) |
| [07:45:08] | wagnerrp: | actually, i suppose that would be EggCAM |
| [07:45:50] | wagnerrp: | or is CAM when youre actually writing up CNC profiles? |
| [07:45:58] | Beirdo: | eggVR? |
| [07:46:31] | Beirdo: | I don't recall anymore. have to ask my mecheng buddies from university days |
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| [07:47:32] | wagnerrp: | hey, spike is playing grindhouse tomorrow |
| [07:47:42] | [R]: | worst. movie. ever. |
| [07:47:54] | [R]: | the whole thing or just parts of it? |
| [07:48:36] | wagnerrp: | aww... |
| [07:48:45] | wagnerrp: | death proof sucked, but planet terror was fun |
| [07:49:28] | [R]: | that was the last time i let my friends drag me to a movie which i had no clue what it was |
| [07:49:39] | [R]: | or maybe kung fu hustle was... whichever came out last |
| [07:50:11] | wagnerrp: | come on, a zombie outbreak, and a stripper with a machine gun leg? |
| [07:50:15] | wagnerrp: | where can you go wrong |
| [07:50:31] | [R]: | oh wait... Ingloreous Bastards had subtitles... i especially hated them for that |
| [07:50:40] | [R]: | wagnerrp: lol |
| [07:51:01] | wagnerrp: | inglorious bastards was so disappointing |
| [07:51:14] | dingus: | ok this is driveing me nuts, for anyone who might be able to help, for hours now i have been trying to find out why on some files mythvideo plays only static and on some it plays audio. audio configuration testing also only plays static, and i cant managed to resolve the issue |
| [07:51:36] | wagnerrp: | tarantino would be a decent director if he could just learn to stop friggin' talking |
| [07:51:40] | [R]: | i HATE him |
| [07:51:56] | [R]: | i walked out of kill bill |
| [07:52:05] | wagnerrp: | i dont want your actors to go on with 20 minute monologues |
| [07:52:15] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:52:28] | wagnerrp: | i paid to see brad pitt kill some nazis damnit |
| [07:52:32] | wagnerrp: | now get with the killing |
| [07:52:37] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [07:52:44] | Beirdo: | smashy smashy! |
| [07:52:46] | [R]: | LOL |
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| [07:55:03] | Beirdo: | noooo. not the encyclospheria! |
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| [07:57:16] | wagnerrp: | seriously, his movies just have way too much talking |
| [07:57:21] | RomioTango: | here it is..the final selection.. https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWis . . . ?ID=10907509 |
| [07:57:25] | Beirdo: | mmmm. OmahaSteaks.com shipping notification |
| [07:58:32] | wagnerrp: | a smaller 80plus PSU would be preferred |
| [07:58:34] | wagnerrp: | but that should work |
| [07:58:47] | wagnerrp: | dont forget, you need a hard drive or netboot, and an IR receiver |
| [07:59:10] | Beirdo: | 8 top sirloins and 14 burgers on their way |
| [07:59:19] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you ever see planet terror? |
| [07:59:31] | Beirdo: | don't think so |
| [07:59:57] | wagnerrp: | nevermind then, im going to bed |
| [08:00:13] | Beirdo: | oh, and 8 stuffed baked potatoes |
| [08:00:48] | ** Beirdo is NOT Vegan ** | |
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| [08:05:16] | Beirdo: | 100 precooked bacon slices? |
| [08:05:27] | Beirdo: | oh, why oh why did I have to look?! |
| [08:08:56] | Beirdo: | 24oz Porterhouse?! |
| [08:09:01] | Beirdo: | OMG |
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| [08:58:38] | Beirdo: | okolsi: I'm still waiting to hear back on your bug report... |
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| [09:36:43] | AlVal: | just popping by to say thanks to you guys here for the support and advice in helping me spec my first mythtv build http://www.alval.net/my-page – all the bits should arrive today, ill update the page and let you know what performance is like once the build is done! |
| [09:41:38] | AlVal: | I'm hoping it will serve me well as a modern htpc running mythtv, and it will be great to get rid of the big old pc case and also the big sky hd box both currently hogging space in the living room. I'll vesa mount this new kit to the back of my tv once i fabricate a bracket |
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| [10:27:59] | hashbang: | morning all |
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| [10:37:18] | AlVal: | howya |
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| [13:19:01] | Powderking: | Hi all! I live in Switzerland and am trying setting up analogue cable on an Ubuntu Server 10.04 and MythTV 0.23. Since the XMLTV grabber website from tv.search.ch changed, I installed XMLTV 0.5.59. I configured tv_grab_ch_search and set up the capture card (PVR500) and video sources. When I try to do a full scan in the Input Connections screen, mythtv-setup quits. When trying to run mythfilldatabase --manual, it doesn't work as well: |
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| [13:51:24] | Carl___: | Anyone have any HVR-950Q experience? |
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| [14:28:52] | ** Beirdo grumbles ** | |
| [14:29:17] | Beirdo: | I think someone in the NOC at work needs more training. |
| [14:30:09] | Beirdo: | no calling the on-call person (me) when someone else is already in core-work hours...being in another timezone |
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| [14:59:01] | Beirdo: | okolsi: you in? |
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| [15:14:20] | AlVal: | Beirdo: NOC? |
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| [15:14:52] | AlVal: | network operations centre? or national oceanography centre |
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| [15:18:08] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: up early or still up? |
| [15:18:43] | sid3windr: | lol oceanography center |
| [15:18:54] | Beirdo: | up early |
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| [15:21:39] | Beirdo: | anyways, might as well start heading in. |
| [15:21:50] | Beirdo: | I'm awake anyways :) |
| [15:22:07] | Beirdo: | got 8 books to dig out of boxes first though |
| [15:23:12] | wagnerrp: | books in boxes? why did you buy a nook? |
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| [15:24:48] | JEDIDIAH__: | books in boxes are heavy and bulky, just like DVDs in boxes. |
| [15:25:18] | JEDIDIAH__: | Its a shame that you can't "rip" books as easily... |
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| [15:32:20] | Crys: | JEDIDIAH__: I'm developing software for "ripping" books. |
| [15:33:02] | wagnerrp: | by that you mean, OCR processing, and servo controls for the page arms |
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| [15:33:27] | Crys: | no, OCR isn't possible for almost all printing material we process. |
| [15:34:10] | wagnerrp: | so just straight images? |
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| [15:34:59] | Crys: | It's called retro digitalization of historic prints — that's stuff from the last 1000 years. |
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| [15:35:25] | good_intentions: | Hey all, Ive Installed the new mythTV on ubuntu only problem is when I open a channel the sound goes tits-up and when I close mythtv I cant hear any sound at all in linux |
| [15:35:49] | wagnerrp: | mythtv on ubuntu? or mythbuntu? |
| [15:36:14] | hashbang: | good_intentions: got PulseAudio running? You might want to remove the alsa plugin for it, so MythTV doesn't try to use it. |
| [15:36:17] | Beirdo: | OK, found 7 of the 8 |
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| [15:36:54] | wagnerrp: | ubuntu uses pulseaudio for everything now |
| [15:36:57] | Crys: | The scan is just a small fraction of the process. Cataloging, indexing and structurizing the books is much complex. |
| [15:37:04] | Beirdo: | the 8th isn't in the database, and is a book I acquired since moving to Seattle. I don't see it in the stack of read books, so mabe it's at my desk at the office |
| [15:37:06] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv 0.23 will disable it when it opens |
| [15:37:20] | good_intentions: | wont I need the alsa plugin though for other software? |
| [15:37:22] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: it tries, but it doesn't work very well on F14. |
| [15:37:37] | wagnerrp: | either upgrade to 0.24 and use pulseaudio in mythtv |
| [15:37:44] | wagnerrp: | or disable pulseaudio all together |
| [15:38:14] | good_intentions: | right I am on 0.24 must I change the settings in the backend? |
| [15:38:19] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: (speaking as someone who had MythTV 0.21 co-existing nicely with PulseAudio on F8) |
| [15:38:25] | wagnerrp: | frontend |
| [15:38:41] | wagnerrp: | hashbang: you are the exception to the rule |
| [15:38:46] | good_intentions: | k thanks Ill give it a try |
| [15:38:53] | wagnerrp: | nearly everyone else had awful audio sync issues |
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| [15:40:27] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: there may have been sycn issues, but audio in UK DVB broadcasts gets screwed sometimes anyway... |
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| [15:42:06] | good_intentions: | also Is there a way to rest the sound or something when I quit mythtv It stopped the sound from working altogether |
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| [15:43:07] | wagnerrp: | you are actually running 0.24? meaning you enabled the mythbuntu ppa, rather than the stock ubuntu builds? |
| [15:43:16] | good_intentions: | yep |
| [15:43:53] | wagnerrp: | then you should just be able to go into the audio setup, choose pulseaudio, and be done |
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| [15:47:32] | good_intentions: | Is that in the front end cant seem to find the option |
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| [15:47:46] | wagnerrp: | frontend, yes |
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| [15:51:46] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: So what are the odds the ViXS is going to be helpful in getting colossus Linux drivers going? |
| [15:51:56] | good_intentions: | I feel like a real idiot saying this but I genuinely can't find such a setting |
| [15:52:08] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: No comment. Sorry I cannot give you a better answer at this time. |
| [15:52:19] | iamlindoro: | No worries, I understand |
| [15:52:37] | wagnerrp: | just an offtopic question about board design |
| [15:52:45] | wagnerrp: | clearly these are all custom boards |
| [15:53:01] | wagnerrp: | why is there an unfilled BGA, TQFP, and three capacitor slots? |
| [15:54:25] | wagnerrp: | looks like two more DFPs lots as well |
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| [15:54:41] | devinheitmueller: | Wow, they posted the *really* hi-res version of the board. I'm surprised at that. |
| [15:54:52] | iamlindoro: | All the original (and often still used) HD-PVR press shots were a development box... this might be a dev card? |
| [15:54:56] | wagnerrp: | yeah, 6.5MB PNG |
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| [15:55:35] | wagnerrp: | i mean motherboards, i understand |
| [15:55:47] | wagnerrp: | they do one model, and then they add or remove parts for different grades of it |
| [15:56:37] | devinheitmueller: | Well, hardware guys doing PCB layout usually do everything for a reason. Beyond that, you are welcome to speculate. |
| [15:56:43] | devinheitmueller: | :-) |
| [15:57:08] | wagnerrp: | well i was thinking more if this was based off a dev card, that was some additional circuitry for diagnostics? |
| [15:57:21] | elmojo: | devinheitmueller: I wish the hdpvr had a coax digital audio input :) |
| [15:57:24] | wagnerrp: | (i know absolutely nothing of PCB design) |
| [15:57:55] | Crys: | good_intentions: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Detail . . . Audio_System |
| [15:58:18] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: I was speculating last night about all the stuff that the XCode chip appears to do that Hauppauge is *not* using and wondering if any/all of it might be made afailable through some cleverness |
| [15:58:32] | elmojo: | directv only has coax on their new H24 HD receivers – I wish the industry would decide on using one type and not mix them – personally I like the optical ones and blame directv for being cheap |
| [15:58:42] | devinheitmueller: | elmojo: bitch bitch bitch. It went from being the size of a brick to fitting on a PCIe card. And now people want low profile. And coax. ;-) |
| [15:58:45] | iamlindoro: | ie, MPEG-2, VC-1, a ton of unused audio codecs, greater than realtime transcode, scaling, etc. |
| [15:58:49] | wagnerrp: | namely, use as a transcoding engine besides just video recording |
| [15:59:05] | wagnerrp: | the press release seems to indicate MPEG2 will be available |
| [15:59:20] | wagnerrp: | just not through the first party application |
| [15:59:24] | iamlindoro: | Don't think it's a press release at all, really |
| [15:59:25] | elmojo: | devinheitmueller: yes – like I say I blame directv for being cheap on their new boxes as I thought optical was the more popular choice |
| [15:59:25] | devinheitmueller: | Bear in mind there are many different variants of the Xcode chip, each with different capabilities. You cannot simply go by what is on the Vixs website ( made that mistake myself at one point). |
| [15:59:30] | iamlindoro: | It's tan interview with the shspvr guy |
| [15:59:44] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Ah, I was reading the 3111 fact sheet |
| [16:00:18] | iamlindoro: | not just the blurb for the overall line |
| [16:00:50] | iamlindoro: | That said, I don't want to put you in a compromising position, was just idle chatter |
| [16:00:51] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: Yeah, but there's firmware to consider, as well as stuff like feature enablement bits through licensing, etc. |
| [16:01:32] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, didn't expect it to be possible, was just randomly speculating about whether or not some fun unintended capabilities might be possible |
| [16:01:36] | devinheitmueller: | I'm just saying that "chip XYZ" does not always provide the feature set on some marketing datasheet. |
| [16:01:48] | elmojo: | devinheitmueller: I would also like it to support 3-D (joking) |
| [16:02:16] | wagnerrp: | can we run a framebuffer through the passthrough output??!?!?!? |
| [16:02:26] | devinheitmueller: | heh. |
| [16:02:46] | devinheitmueller: | I'm sure once it's out somebody who is familiar with hardware design will analyze it to death. |
| [16:02:55] | hashbang: | elmojo: I get the impression coax is becoming the standard; cheaper to implement, less conversions, cheap cables. I generally only see optical on premium devices that also have coax. |
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| [16:03:34] | iamlindoro: | hashbang: The opposite is true |
| [16:03:42] | iamlindoro: | coax is dying out (if not altogether dead) |
| [16:04:06] | elmojo: | which is crazy that directv puts that as the only choice on an HD receiver |
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| [16:04:19] | iamlindoro: | even optical doesn't have much of a future, given HDMI |
| [16:04:22] | wagnerrp: | theyre both at a severe disadvantage to HDMI from bandwidth constraints |
| [16:04:28] | iamlindoro: | but optical is at least a heck of a lot more common than coax these days |
| [16:04:42] | wagnerrp: | the only reason for optical to stick around is the complete lack of any possible ground loop |
| [16:04:52] | elmojo: | for the analog hole HDMI doesn't buy us much |
| [16:04:56] | hashbang: | iamlindoro: I couldn't find a cheap DVD player with optical like my old Daewoo. Ended up getting a Toshiba with coax only and swapping my MythTV box from using Coax to Optical. |
| [16:04:58] | wagnerrp: | there is no interference, no electrical connection |
| [16:05:06] | wagnerrp: | just the problem of cheap plastic 'fiber optics' |
| [16:05:10] | iamlindoro: | hashbang: DVD players don't have a future either |
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| [16:05:29] | hashbang: | iamlindoro: heh |
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| [16:05:40] | wagnerrp: | they do in the $30 cheapo market |
| [16:05:47] | good_intentions: | thanks for the help mythtv is now working perfectly |
| [16:05:55] | wagnerrp: | (for another few years anyway) |
| [16:06:48] | elmojo: | it's hard enough to get all this setup for HD capture on a setup box but to have to got buy and hook up (I already had enough cabling and power adapters) a coax to optical audio converter box was painful |
| [16:07:00] | iamlindoro: | Point is, you're talking about a technology that is demonstrably low end these days-- so it's not surprising that it would have a legacy audio interconnect :) |
| [16:07:38] | wagnerrp: | players from the $40 cheapo market use HDMI |
| [16:07:43] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [16:07:49] | iamlindoro: | My PS3, heck, even my old PS2, every modern audio card with digital out, the HD-PVR and every single blu-ray player... all optical only |
| [16:08:14] | devinheitmueller: | Coax is pretty rare these days, at least in the States. Among my TV, my cable box, my new Tivo – none of them have it. |
| [16:08:31] | iamlindoro: | likewise |
| [16:08:44] | elmojo: | which is why the directv box irritates me... I think Hauppauge chose the right connection... period |
| [16:08:58] | devinheitmueller: | Crap. Did I just admit I dumped my MythTV box and bought a Tivo? Forget I said that. |
| [16:11:00] | iamlindoro: | If tivo does what you want it to do, and you don't need myth's flexibility, more power to you |
| [16:11:03] | elmojo: | apparently many people are doing similar – let's face it – people want HD and it's not easy to get programming with MythTV |
| [16:11:34] | elmojo: | and it's all the FCC's fault for allowing cable-card and all the CCI byte crap |
| [16:11:41] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, I just got tired of my wife's complaining when her programs didn't get recorded. |
| [16:12:16] | devinheitmueller: | The Tivo "just works". I haven't given up on MythTV, but I'm no longer running it in production. |
| [16:12:18] | iamlindoro: | I personally never ever miss recordings.... but then again, I don't have to answer to anyone if I decide to stupidly restart the backend in the middle of a recording, either :) |
| [16:12:56] | wagnerrp: | i have no problem with cablecard, i have a problem with the DRM |
| [16:13:07] | elmojo: | yes – cable card is not so bad |
| [16:13:09] | iamlindoro: | I can see myself getting an HDHR Prime |
| [16:13:14] | wagnerrp: | oh if only the 80's VCR fair use rulings were put into law |
| [16:13:16] | devinheitmueller: | It's easy to become desensitized if you're a developer. You see the frontend is down? You just restart it. The gui gets hung? You just reboot. You don't even think about it. |
| [16:13:28] | hashbang: | I think the only thing that causes my MythTV box to sometimes miss recordings is when the listings data is duff and it thinks a new episode is a duplicate. |
| [16:13:30] | iamlindoro: | I'm in a comcast market, and in the same market SiliconDust is in, and they apparently are doing great with it |
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| [16:14:00] | elmojo: | I'm in the TWC market and get nothing! |
| [16:14:04] | hashbang: | only other causes are things that would cause any other device to fail to record too; communal aerial disconnected/broken, mains power failure, etc. |
| [16:14:29] | elmojo: | an HDHR Prime would make my life so much simpler |
| [16:14:31] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, with any luck Daniel's rec branch will bring some new stability (or at least ease of troubleshooting) to recording issues, and people are finally taking note of some of the Live TV jump buffer issues, so .25 may shape up to be okay |
| [16:14:37] | wagnerrp: | i get problems whenever the cableco moved changes around |
| [16:15:14] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: devinheitmueller, elmojo: I have had some serious thoughts of taking the EIT scanner ethos and writing an active, idle channel scan |
| [16:15:34] | iamlindoro: | ie, whenever the device is available, it's hunting for channels which have gone missing, and for new ones which have appeared |
| [16:15:39] | elmojo: | that would rock... it's why I dropped ClearQAM and switched to ATSC |
| [16:16:08] | wagnerrp: | at least all my locals are named over clearqam, so mythtv can find them and update them in a rescan |
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| [16:16:24] | iamlindoro: | stuartm is working on his comprehensive notification center, and that would be a perfect place to aggregate channel lineup notifications |
| [16:16:38] | iamlindoro: | Then you could just select which ones to delete which have gone missing, which ones to add, etc. |
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| [16:16:59] | hashbang: | iamlindoro: sounds like a good idea! |
| [16:17:09] | iamlindoro: | and I was thinking top maybe have some sort of heuristic for when somehting is considered a valid new channel-- ie, it has to be found a couple of times over a couple of scans, and with the same PMT |
| [16:17:23] | iamlindoro: | that way VOD channels don't get mistakenly proposed |
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| [16:17:32] | wagnerrp: | i actually had a script to do that with my HDHR a few years back |
| [16:17:36] | hashbang: | iamlindoro: I lurk on places like mythtv-users and digitalspy and hope to find out about new/moved channels before it's too late! |
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| [16:17:46] | wagnerrp: | but i could never get the inputs to the channel table correct |
| [16:17:52] | wagnerrp: | tuning didnt work properly |
| [16:17:57] | wagnerrp: | never figured out why |
| [16:22:41] | iamlindoro: | The channel scanner, in spite of its ugliness from a UI and usability perspective, is actually a really nice tool to work with codewise |
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| [16:23:01] | iamlindoro: | So adapting it to an idle scan would be not too awful at all |
| [16:23:08] | iamlindoro: | it's getting the UI right that needs work |
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| [16:30:07] | Crys: | Astra 1 and some other European orbital positions offer a service called RAPS (http://www.raps.tv/en/index.html) that announces channel changes. |
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| [16:32:21] | Crys: | Pardon the English on the site. It's a horrible mix of English and German. |
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| [16:36:31] | jon__: | mysql connects through mythbuntu-control-center and can ping BE from remote FE but fontend fails to start |
| [16:40:46] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: we used to do an idle scan/automatic channel updates for DVB but that was disabled as it caused problems for a lot of people who had renamed or renumbered channels, or because channels weren't updated properly so that recording rules for 'on this channel started failing |
| [16:40:56] | stuartm: | i.e. it was a good idea badly implemented |
| [16:42:18] | stuartm: | for some reason it was never redone to work properly |
| [16:42:50] | devinheitmueller: | Speaking of which, did anyone finally disable EIT on ATSC/ClearQAM cards by default? Or does every user still have to figure out to do that after a bunch of their recordings fail? |
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| [16:50:13] | stuartm: | eit collection causes those cards to fail? |
| [16:50:53] | wagnerrp: | no, but last minute guide data changes from EIT can futz up the scheduler |
| [16:51:20] | stuartm: | ah, right |
| [16:51:45] | stuartm: | so disable EIT if the user configures schedules direct listings for those channels |
| [16:52:07] | stuartm: | no, no-one has done that yet to my knowledge |
| [16:52:09] | wagnerrp: | EIT should be disabled if any guide data provider is configured for any source |
| [16:52:16] | AlVal: | is "blind scan" worth having on dvb-s2 tuner card? |
| [16:52:20] | wagnerrp: | s/any/that/ |
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| [16:52:59] | AlVal: | I decided not to wait for the upcoming version which has blind scan, as it sounds like something that takes 7hrs + to do anyway! |
| [16:53:00] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: can't do that, lots and lots of people mix EIT and external guide data on a single source, it has to be done at the channel level |
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| [16:53:39] | wagnerrp: | no, the new version will not be released within the next 7 hours |
| [16:53:46] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: e.g. xmltv provides no data for radio channels in the UK, you have to use EIT for those even if all the TV channels use xmltv |
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| [16:54:41] | stuartm: | and there are any number of channels, especially those on satellite for which there is not XMLTV data – ok, mostly adult/shopping channels which not many people are going to want in their lineup to start with |
| [16:54:50] | AlVal: | +wagnerrp: I meant the amount of time a dvb-s2 card takes to complete a "blind scan" |
| [16:54:53] | stuartm: | but still |
| [16:55:08] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: stuartm: it'd be nice if EIT could be used intelligently for progs that are running late (e.g. delayed due to live sport/breaking news) |
| [16:55:34] | wagnerrp: | hashbang: it would be nice, but most broadcasters will not actually update their guide data to note such changes |
| [16:55:48] | stuartm: | hashbang: jannau was going to work on that, but he almost certainly won't be able to do it now so that is on indefinite hold |
| [16:56:17] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: they aren't too bad about doing it in DVB land IIRC |
| [16:56:50] | stuartm: | not least because they are selling their own DVRs which need that data to be accurate |
| [16:57:38] | devinheitmueller: | stuartm: sorry, was afk. The EIT screws up hybrid cards because the EIT scanner doesn't act on input groups. As a result, the EIT scanner will kick off while you're using the analog side of the card/ |
| [16:58:08] | devinheitmueller: | (or at least it wasn't taking input groups into account in 0.23) |
| [16:58:08] | hashbang: | I think all UK MythTVers probably remember the great truncated Dr Who event... |
| [16:58:45] | AlVal: | hashbang: was it like when ITV put an advert on , wiping out england's goal in the world cup? |
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| [16:59:19] | hashbang: | AlVal: I think some football on before went into extra time |
| [16:59:52] | hashbang: | AlVal: and the intersection of {MythTV nerd} and {Dr Who nerd} is almost 100%. :-) |
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| [17:00:01] | Beirdo: | hashbang: the number of times we've had scheduling snafus on this side of the pond is approximately equal to the number of NFL games played |
| [17:00:04] | Beirdo: | you ain't alone |
| [17:00:40] | Beirdo: | except there, it's usually the NFL game preempting any and all shows (including Simpsons season premieres, etc) |
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| [17:01:02] | hashbang: | just once, it'd be nice if some live sci-fi drama overran and the footie fans missed the first few mins of their match. :-) |
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| [17:01:29] | hashbang: | not that I'm vindictive or anything. |
| [17:02:05] | AlVal: | haha for sure, or much better, if instead of overrunning, they let the footy fans miss the last few (critical) mins of the match |
| [17:02:15] | AlVal: | and just start the sci-fi regardless |
| [17:02:16] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [17:02:33] | Beirdo: | push off the start of the sci-fi... and eat the time in commercials |
| [17:02:43] | AlVal: | everyone happy :D |
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| [17:02:50] | hashbang: | Beirdo: now /that/ will never happen. |
| [17:02:54] | Beirdo: | so what, you get 5 minutes of sports at the beginning of the show. |
| [17:03:11] | hashbang: | anyways, ttfn |
| [17:03:15] | AlVal: | laters |
| [17:03:15] | Beirdo: | it would make USERS happy, but not the beancounters. Hence it will never happen :) |
| [17:03:24] | AlVal: | that means hashbang ircs while supposed to be working |
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| [17:03:36] | AlVal: | and its 5pm now, and he's the sort that doesnt devote an extra minute at work |
| [17:03:52] | devinheitmueller: | Well, since those people are fanatical about sports, it means that next time they won't rely on the DVR but instead watch it live, which means they won't fast forward through the commercials. |
| [17:03:57] | Beirdo: | especially not the ones spent IRCing |
| [17:04:05] | Beirdo: | devinheitmueller: there is that too |
| [17:04:07] | AlVal: | haha |
| [17:04:56] | AlVal: | can't they program a variable "amount of minutes to record before and after the scheduled time" |
| [17:05:05] | JEDIDIAH__: | Well, it's pretty simple to pad a sports recording to make sure it gets all of the game. |
| [17:05:12] | JEDIDIAH__: | although if you can't pad the recording... |
| [17:05:19] | AlVal: | or you're saying most people wouldnt set that variable widely enough to account for the crazy scheduling mistakes |
| [17:05:27] | JEDIDIAH__: | I padded my World Series recordings a whole hour. |
| [17:05:37] | AlVal: | yeah, precisely |
| [17:06:03] | JEDIDIAH__: | the published schedule was garbage. Don't know why they thought those games would be so short. |
| [17:06:46] | AlVal: | saw my first baseball game this year live |
| [17:07:20] | AlVal: | minor league team in tennessee called the smokies |
| [17:07:37] | AlVal: | while on hols, couldn't believe the value for money, like $5 per ticket |
| [17:07:55] | AlVal: | and a whole evening/nights entertainment, would never get the likes in the uk |
| [17:08:27] | JEDIDIAH__: | yes major league tickets are insane. can't believe what they try to charge for soccer tickets. |
| [17:08:53] | JEDIDIAH__: | with more popular sports, there's at least something to be said for supply and demand. |
| [17:09:12] | AlVal: | season ticket for arsenal |
| [17:09:16] | AlVal: | > US$3000 |
| [17:09:41] | JEDIDIAH__: | plus you don't need binoculars at a bush league game to see what's going on. |
| [17:09:58] | AlVal: | heh. right, laters! (5.10 is my leave work time haha) |
| [17:10:26] | AlVal: | besides, ive gotta get home to set up the new mythtv bits that arrived! http://www.alval.net/my-page |
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| [17:12:26] | JEDIDIAH__: | I would be interested in how it does in terms of noise. |
| [17:12:47] | JEDIDIAH__: | Nearly built a Minuet based frontend in the early days before I relalized it would not fit where I wanted to put it. |
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| [17:19:13] | JEDIDIAH__: | had a stupid bbq timer going off on the back porch all night so loud that it sounded like a PC run amok in the living room. you would think the batteries would give out in a situation like that. |
| [17:19:52] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...modern living. |
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| [17:35:03] | Beirdo: | JEDIDIAH__: your neighbors must hate you right now |
| [17:36:07] | Beirdo: | surprised it wasn't silenced with a flying brick |
| [17:36:46] | wagnerrp: | never used one of those things, just how loud are they? |
| [17:37:08] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: also, seems youre sending me junk mail |
| [17:37:11] | Beirdo: | what, a flying brick? depends on what it hits :) |
| [17:37:18] | Beirdo: | huh? I think not |
| [17:37:31] | wagnerrp: | this reply to udo, looks like junk mail |
| [17:37:38] | wagnerrp: | at least to thunderbird |
| [17:37:41] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [17:37:47] | Beirdo: | well, it IS a reply to Udi |
| [17:37:50] | Beirdo: | Udo rather |
| [17:40:22] | Beirdo: | wow, this CDROM drive is LOUD |
| [17:41:11] | ** Beirdo is ripping some CDs onto the work computer to alleviate boredom/interruptions ** | |
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| [17:42:50] | Beirdo: | it's like sitting in a Dash8 |
| [17:43:04] | Beirdo: | that's how obnoxious this drive is. |
| [17:51:14] | doc: | i have two questions, 1) why dose the automatic metadata grabber (fetching metadata when you add new moves) work in reverse order? 2) is there anyway to changes automatic parental rateings on the fly with out haveing to manually update every movie? |
| [17:52:08] | wagnerrp: | 1) dont know, 2) no |
| [17:52:25] | wagnerrp: | there is a script or two floating around to do some string matching and automatically set the parental ratings |
| [17:53:33] | wagnerrp: | bulk metadata grabbing is something that takes considerable time |
| [17:53:42] | wagnerrp: | youre really supposed to just let it run, and go do something else |
| [17:53:48] | wagnerrp: | watch a recording, watch a movie |
| [17:54:04] | wagnerrp: | in which case the order is irrelevent |
| [17:54:19] | wagnerrp: | however i was under the impression it just ran in the order the content existed in the database |
| [17:54:30] | wagnerrp: | which would be the order the scanner pulled content out of the file system |
| [17:54:50] | doc: | i was just letting it run i was more just wondering then actually makeing a point, although while im asking i just receaved an error while it was updateing, and it stoped fetching metadata |
| [17:54:53] | wagnerrp: | which would likely be based off file modification time |
| [17:54:54] | doc: | error was ok ill google that, another thing im running myth 0.24 and i ust got an output error *** glibc detectd *** mythfrontend malloc(): smallbin double linked list corrupted 0xb05c3280 *** |
| [17:55:16] | wagnerrp: | need a backtrace from the core dump to do anything with that |
| [17:55:46] | Beirdo: | from a debug build, in particular |
| [17:56:58] | doc: | ok well this is the second install that has done this (as you might rember i was fighting with audio earler gave up and nuked the box, wanna point me at a link to install a debug build so as to replicate the error? |
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| [18:01:47] | Crys: | doc: a had a couple of segfaults while I was pulling metadata for my ripped DVD collection, too. Just start the frontend again and keep on updating. Eventually you'll have all metadata. I guess, mass update isn't stable yet. |
| [18:02:36] | doc: | fair enough, it locked up the frontend so i killed it and restarted, now im getting a series of errors (actually two errors over and over again) |
| [18:02:46] | doc: | 2011-01–07 17:59:50.891 MythFontProperties, Error: Failed to load 'Trebuchet MS', got 'DejaVu Sans' instead |
| [18:02:46] | doc: | Location: /usr/share/mythtv/themes/MythCenter/menu-ui.xml @ 16 |
| [18:02:46] | doc: | Name: 'clock' Type: 'fontdef' |
| [18:02:46] | doc: | 2011-01–07 17:59:52.546 MythUIHelper, Error: LoadScaleImage(mythtv-logo.png)Unable to find image file |
| [18:03:00] | doc: | sorry, should have used pastebin |
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| [18:28:43] | stuartm: | doc: those errors are not going to cause a segfault or lockup, they are red-herrings |
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| [18:32:41] | doc: | stuartm: i figured as much i was just wondering why they only presented after it locked up |
| [18:34:22] | sphery: | doc: likely your theme changed? |
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| [18:34:45] | sphery: | doc: if you install the MS core web fonts, it won't error on those |
| [18:35:16] | doc: | ok np more my own interest then a "bug report" |
| [18:35:22] | doc: | but thanks for the speedy reply |
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| [18:36:15] | sphery: | doc: or, another option is to make a new 4:3 theme from scratch so you don't have to use the legacy, not complete, MythCenter theme |
| [18:36:19] | sphery: | :D |
| [18:37:21] | doc: | as fun as that would be, how much call is there for a 4:3 theme? |
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| [18:39:58] | wagnerrp: | a surprising amount |
| [18:40:05] | wagnerrp: | just not enough for anyone to write a theme |
| [18:40:17] | sphery: | yeah, amazing how many people still use 4:3 |
| [18:40:37] | sphery: | unfortunately, though, none of those who actually get motivated enough to make a theme actually use 4:3 :) |
| [18:40:56] | sphery: | (actually, one did--Childish theme--but it's not necessarily ideal for adults) |
| [18:41:17] | wagnerrp: | unless youre an adult that likes pastels and lizards |
| [18:41:26] | wagnerrp: | salamander? |
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| [18:43:31] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: have you ever had 1080p from the BBC? |
| [18:44:18] | stuartm: | err, don't believe so, just ITV HD |
| [18:44:28] | stuartm: | but I wouldn't swear to it |
| [18:44:30] | wagnerrp: | well... 1080p from any DVB-T source? |
| [18:44:35] | stuartm: | yes |
| [18:44:41] | wagnerrp: | i figured the old 20mbps BBC stuff would have been 1080p |
| [18:48:18] | wagnerrp: | thanks |
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| [18:51:48] | wagnerrp: | why as the 'weather in motion' on weather.com been 'all new' for the past six years? |
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| [18:54:05] | stuartm: | the weather's always 'new' isn't it? |
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| [18:54:39] | wagnerrp: | but the static maps arent 'all new' |
| [18:54:51] | wagnerrp: | and theyre just as recent as the most recent image in the animation |
| [18:55:16] | wagnerrp: | the animation goes back two hours, thats old news |
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| [18:58:02] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [19:00:42] | Beirdo: | stuartm: you see the ML ping from Udo on his small memory leak issue? It's in your queue, don't remember which section of the code was involved. |
| [19:03:02] | stuartm: | -users? I don't subscribe |
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| [19:32:46] | stuartm: | yeah, it was the DVBCam code and PMT code which definitely had tiny leaks, at least according to the log, but it was the incorrect RecordingProfile 'leaks' I was going to tackle, specifically by separating out the UI parts from the rest |
| [19:33:49] | wagnerrp: | anyone know what is supposed to happen in the scheduler with an upcoming recording and an offline slave? |
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| [19:50:21] | Beirdo: | stuartm: cool. I remembered it was something you had lined up anyways :) |
| [19:51:10] | ** Beirdo goes back to monitoring any remaining mythsystem issues... wish okolsi were around to update me on if that patch helps him ** | |
| [19:54:02] | Beirdo: | I guess I *could* just slap it in there and deal with it if it's not quite right, but I'm not too fond of that as a workflow if I can help it. |
| [19:55:07] | stuartm: | triggered a segfault in the mythsystem code the other day, in mythweather iirc, but I wasn't running under gdb at the time |
| [19:58:17] | Beirdo: | hmmm, likely related to the one I fixed the other day for natanojl |
| [19:58:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: scheduler doesn't schedule with tuners on offline backends, unless the master backend shut down the slave backend |
| [19:58:38] | sphery: | wagnerrp: but when the offline backend reconnects, a reschedule is performed immediately |
| [19:58:43] | wagnerrp: | ah, thats how it works? |
| [19:58:44] | Beirdo: | if it reoccurs, I'd be happy to put a knobbly boot down on the bug |
| [19:59:03] | wagnerrp: | if the slave shuts down on its own, everything is rescheduled around it |
| [19:59:08] | sphery: | yep |
| [19:59:19] | wagnerrp: | if the master tells the slave to shut down, it assumes it can be brought back up just as easily |
| [19:59:25] | wagnerrp: | what about new schedules while the slave is down? |
| [19:59:40] | sphery: | one of the main changes of Captain_Murdoch's patch to have master shut down slaves was to allow the scheduler to continue to count on those tuners |
| [20:00:02] | sphery: | I think if the master shuts down the slave, it's considered "online" |
| [20:00:17] | sphery: | so it's just another tuner that's considered for schedulign |
| [20:00:19] | Beirdo: | I wish we had a way of quickly rescheduling if say the slave won't come back up... or a tuning failure |
| [20:00:39] | wagnerrp: | you want to reply to greg oliver as such? or do you want me to? |
| [20:00:50] | Beirdo: | but that would be another whole layer of complexity in an already complex pile of code |
| [20:00:58] | sphery: | yeah, don't know what the wakeup code does if it doesn't wake--I know he increased the wakeup time to like 4mins |
| [20:01:13] | sphery: | I have a feeling if that times out, it will reschedule without the tuners |
| [20:01:19] | Beirdo: | be really nice to have "oh crap, that tuner failed, do the next one" |
| [20:01:32] | sphery: | and it does a quick reschedule--i.e. just place since matches have been performed and no rules/listings changed |
| [20:02:02] | sphery: | pretty sure that's what's done for a reconnecting backend, and I'd assume the same is done for a wakeup timeout |
| [20:06:44] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: it would be really nice to have a 'pre-tune' |
| [20:07:02] | wagnerrp: | something that a few minutes out, it tries to tune the channel |
| [20:07:15] | wagnerrp: | and if it cant, starts into panic mode to find another way to record it |
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| [20:10:23] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yeah, but back-to-back recordings could cause oddities if not careful :) |
| [20:12:21] | sphery: | a pre-tune used for the purpose of "does this recorder seem to work" (so not run on any in-use physical tuners) might actually make it so that when it does fail (once every couple years?) it actually records the more important shows of what's about to air |
| [20:12:36] | sphery: | just seems a lot of work for something that shouldn't happen much at all... :) |
| [20:12:56] | sphery: | seems most of my failures of late have been due to signal issues at 11:45am |
| [20:13:08] | sphery: | (Tonight Show cuts off after about 8–10min) |
| [20:13:49] | Beirdo: | ummm, tuning failures are NOT every couple years |
| [20:14:07] | Beirdo: | witness the number of people whining about 0 byte recordings |
| [20:14:33] | Beirdo: | although pre-tuning itself can fail in some cases as the broadaster is off |
| [20:14:42] | Beirdo: | and turns on just before the show in question |
| [20:15:53] | Beirdo: | all this stuff blows the mind if you think about it too much :) |
| [20:16:53] | elmojo: | Beirdo: you see that guy on the -ML mention that the directv.pl needed an bigger delay internally for the set_channel command to be reliable on an H24 receiver |
| [20:16:57] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: if the tuner is already active and tuned to that channel, then all is well! |
| [20:17:28] | elmojo: | Beirdo: that maybe why I had so much trouble until I added substantial delays to the scripts |
| [20:17:45] | wagnerrp: | the only time a recording fails for me is if the broadcaster changes virtual channel lineups |
| [20:17:51] | Beirdo: | elmojo: I saw it, yeah. Maybe I'll get 1.10 and then hack it a bit :) |
| [20:17:57] | wagnerrp: | (or the cableco in my case) |
| [20:18:09] | elmojo: | it's what I'm using... going to see if it makes things any faster |
| [20:18:15] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: true, but active and tuned to a different channel... issues could ensue |
| [20:18:22] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [20:18:22] | wagnerrp: | aside from the yet unsolved HDHR issues, but that wouldnt be detected by a 'pre-tune' |
| [20:18:46] | Beirdo: | for me, it's the H23 refusing to change channel correctly |
| [20:18:47] | sphery: | heh, thanks for the reminder, too |
| [20:18:53] | Beirdo: | it's odd, but it does happen |
| [20:19:01] | wagnerrp: | reminder? |
| [20:19:14] | sphery: | it turns out that my "temporary" antenna mount got messed up, so my antenna fell and it pointed up |
| [20:19:23] | sphery: | (30deg angle up) |
| [20:19:26] | sphery: | so time to fix it |
| [20:19:41] | wagnerrp: | how directional are those yagis? |
| [20:19:55] | sphery: | Beirdo: I still think tuning failures are /supposed/ to be about once every couple of years |
| [20:20:04] | Beirdo: | Ooooh |
| [20:20:06] | Beirdo: | right |
| [20:20:18] | sphery: | other than that, I'm just getting cut outs |
| [20:20:28] | Beirdo: | in reality, they are more like every few weeks (or more for some unlucky folks) |
| [20:20:35] | sphery: | and that's because of my messed up antenna placement |
| [20:20:40] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:20:53] | Beirdo: | I need to get a REAL antenna and put it on my balcony |
| [20:21:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the sweet spot on them is about 9deg, so I try to aim for about the center of the cluster |
| [20:21:05] | Beirdo: | instead of the mini-yagi POC inside the apt |
| [20:21:12] | sphery: | at least, AFAIU |
| [20:21:36] | sphery: | time to fix my antenna |
| [20:21:41] | Beirdo: | I can almost physically SEE the towers for goodness sakes |
| [20:21:55] | Beirdo: | actually, at work, walk to the other side of the building and I can |
| [20:22:12] | Beirdo: | except the one on Bainbridge Island, which is pretty much LOS too |
| [20:22:24] | Beirdo: | but yet I get tuning issues on 4.1, 5.1 |
| [20:22:41] | Beirdo: | due to craptacular antenna inside steel/concrete building |
| [20:23:00] | Beirdo: | so THOSE locals I take off the dish |
| [20:27:11] | Beirdo: | Ok... Whaaa? |
| [20:27:24] | Beirdo: | Stream #0.0[0x1011]: Video: h264, yuv420p, 1920x1080 [PAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 59.96 fps, 59.94 tbr, 90k tbn, 59.94 tbc |
| [20:27:34] | Beirdo: | is that seriously saying that that is 1080p?! |
| [20:27:59] | wagnerrp: | that from your hdpvr? |
| [20:28:03] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [20:29:42] | elmojo: | Beirdo: no, it's probably 2 ticks per frame |
| [20:29:52] | stuartm: | Beirdo: doesn't specify from what I can tell, you can't infer the presence or absence of interlacing from that info |
| [20:30:00] | Beirdo: | oh yeah. ffmpeg is idiotic |
| [20:30:04] | wagnerrp: | hes talking about the 'yuv420p' |
| [20:30:07] | Beirdo: | they report "fps" as fields |
| [20:30:14] | wagnerrp: | or that |
| [20:30:23] | Beirdo: | when in the rest of the world, "fps" means FRAMES |
| [20:30:56] | Beirdo: | I was wondering for a sec there. I was thinking, did I actually find a 1080p channel?! |
| [20:30:57] | stuartm: | even then it's unclear – take the following "Stream #0.0[0xd49]: Video: h264, yuvj420p, 1440x1080 [PAR 4:3 DAR 16:9], 51.41 fps, 50 tbr, 90k tbn, 50 tbc" |
| [20:31:04] | stuartm: | "Stream #0.0[0x90e]: Video: h264, yuv420p, 1440x1080 [PAR 15:11 DAR 20:11], 25.49 fps, 25 tbr, 90k tbn, 50 tbc" |
| [20:31:34] | stuartm: | why is one reporting 25fps and the other 50fps, when they are both interlaced |
| [20:31:35] | Beirdo: | that looks like it would be 1080i to me |
| [20:31:42] | Beirdo: | the second that is |
| [20:31:44] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:31:46] | Beirdo: | good point |
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| [20:32:23] | ikevin-: | i've some radio on livetv (from dvb adapter & webradio), can i set a static image on thoose channels? |
| [20:33:45] | elmojo: | Beirdo: so far I don't see any need to change the delay on the h24 like the -ML person claims |
| [20:33:56] | elmojo: | it gets it right the very first time so far |
| [20:33:59] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [20:34:20] | Beirdo: | I might try changing it sometime if it eats itself again |
| [20:34:34] | Beirdo: | I still need to go to 1.10 of directv.pl |
| [20:35:18] | elmojo: | I put a print statement in the while loop so that my logs will show it if it doesn't wait long enough |
| [20:35:22] | Beirdo: | oh wow, I have too many concert recordings to watch or something :) |
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| [20:35:53] | stuartm: | tbh the stuff I've seen occasionally from ITV HD appears to be progressive, the picture is smoother and free of interlacing 'comb' when the interlacer is disabled but I've really no way of knowing for certain |
| [20:36:24] | Beirdo: | yeah, I wish I knew of a good tool like wireshark but for MPEG files :) |
| [20:36:41] | elmojo: | ffprobe? |
| [20:36:55] | Beirdo: | I don't doubt that there is one, but I have yet to find one that completely does what I was looking for |
| [20:36:59] | elmojo: | and mediainfo has a linux version which is handy |
| [20:37:07] | Beirdo: | hmm, ffprobe? |
| [20:37:57] | Beirdo: | WHA!? |
| [20:38:13] | Beirdo: | it wants to suck in gstreamer and a pile of other crap |
| [20:38:31] | Beirdo: | I think I'll try that on my devel box first, not on my prod backend |
| [20:39:47] | Beirdo: | gnuplot, groff... |
| [20:39:50] | Beirdo: | ooook |
| [20:39:51] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:40:47] | good_intentions: | Hey guys seem to have a problem, on some channels (such as E4) I only get static out of the speakers |
| [20:40:57] | good_intentions: | im using sat |
| [20:41:55] | Shadow__X: | any hope on the hdhr prime working on linux? |
| [20:42:26] | Beirdo: | that's almost FAQ worthy |
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| [20:43:10] | Shadow__X: | should i read some logs then? |
| [20:43:14] | blizzard_: | anyone got a tip on a good dvb-s2 dual tuner card? |
| [20:43:25] | Beirdo: | it should work, and IIRC they already did the work to make the hdhr libs work with it |
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| [20:44:04] | Beirdo: | ooh, a new episode of Wipeout |
| [20:44:06] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:44:15] | Shadow__X: | Beirdo: so there is a chance that we could use it (including 3 cablecards) with mythtv? |
| [20:44:23] | blizzard_: | beirdo: slapstick at its best =) |
| [20:44:41] | Beirdo: | AFAIK. There's plenty in the ML and elsewhere with more info |
| [20:44:59] | Beirdo: | likely get exactly the same channels as with firewire-capable boxes |
| [20:45:23] | Beirdo: | I skimmed over all of it as I don't use cable |
| [20:45:33] | Shadow__X: | ml? |
| [20:45:39] | Beirdo: | mailing list |
| [20:45:51] | Shadow__X: | ah ok thanks |
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| [20:45:54] | Beirdo: | mythtv-users mailing list in particular |
| [20:46:36] | Shadow__X: | Beirdo: yes i figured that |
| [20:47:10] | Beirdo: | elmojo: hmmm. ffprobe certainly is pulling info out :) |
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| [20:48:06] | ikevin-: | can i merge video source in livetv? |
| [20:48:34] | ikevin-: | while i try to add all my adapter in the same source, the channels of the first adapter work, other did not work |
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| [20:51:30] | Shadow__X: | Beirdo: ok i have a better understanding so it does not seem like it will replaced a hdpvr but, atleast i can record much more copy free content in hd while spending less on cable cards |
| [20:52:02] | Beirdo: | in my understanding, it would basically replace getting several cable boxes and running firewire |
| [20:53:27] | Beirdo: | oh wow. food time |
| [20:53:39] | Shadow__X: | yup and thats a good thing |
| [20:53:55] | Shadow__X: | 2.50 per extra source is better than 6+ |
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| [21:01:56] | devinheitmueller: | Shadow__X: it's not just about paying for cablecards instead of cable boxes. It's that you can avoid having *multiple* cable boxes if you want more than one feed. |
| [21:02:35] | devinheitmueller: | Say you pay $6.00 for cable boxes and $2.50 for cable cards. If you want three simultaneous feeds, you can pay $250 for a single cablecard instead of $18.00 for three cable boxes. |
| [21:02:53] | devinheitmueller: | (pardon, I meant $2.50 instead of $250) |
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| [21:05:48] | Shadow__X: | devinheitmueller: oh right i forgot about that. That just makes me even happier |
| [21:05:55] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah. |
| [21:06:14] | devinheitmueller: | If you want to tune to record multiple channels, that's where the economics really benefit you. |
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| [21:24:03] | JEDIDIAH__: | cable boxes are a bit of a bother. |
| [21:24:54] | JEDIDIAH__: | can't trust the cable companies not to mess with Tivo, nevermind MythTV |
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| [21:28:10] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: well theres also the $250 up front for the HDHRP |
| [21:28:29] | wagnerrp: | or $400(?) for the ceton quad tuner |
| [21:28:53] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: Oh, I wasn't suggesting otherwise. I'm just saying if you're going to build a MythTV box because you care about the flexibility, it's a better solution than say a pair of HD-PVRs and renting two cable boxes. |
| [21:29:07] | wagnerrp: | if you have the channels, definately |
| [21:29:35] | wagnerrp: | because youre also talking $500 for the HDPVRs |
| [21:30:45] | devinheitmueller: | Well, HD-PVRs aren't that expensive, but yeah I think you get the idea. |
| [21:30:54] | wagnerrp: | for three of 'em |
| [21:31:01] | devinheitmueller: | (newegg has them for $189) |
| [21:31:04] | devinheitmueller: | Oh, yeah, for 3 then yes. |
| [21:33:22] | Wicked: | oh nice. they have come down in price more. |
| [21:33:36] | Wicked: | when i had looked into one they where like 250 |
| [21:33:42] | wagnerrp: | MSRP is now $200 |
| [21:33:57] | wagnerrp: | has been for a couple months |
| [21:34:10] | wagnerrp: | so $189 really isnt that great of a deal anymore |
| [21:34:20] | Wicked: | i havent really been paying attention lately...i dont even have hd cable atm. |
| [21:36:29] | wagnerrp: | model 1219? theres a new version? |
| [21:37:57] | wagnerrp: | seems $189 is about the best you can do right now |
| [21:38:05] | wagnerrp: | but they were down in the $170s and $160s |
| [21:39:03] | Wicked: | nice |
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| [21:46:06] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: The 1219 is definitely the 1212 with a French manual |
| [21:46:57] | devinheitmueller: | (well, English and French to be precise) |
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| [21:49:01] | JEDIDIAH__: | cable cards are restrictive, not flexible. |
| [21:49:25] | JEDIDIAH__: | certainly cheaper if you can tune in all the channels and stream them anywhere you like. |
| [21:53:01] | wagnerrp: | well at least with the HDHR, if you end up not being able to use a cablecard, you still have a (fairly expensive) triple tuner |
| [21:53:57] | ** Beirdo looks at the ML and groans ** | |
| [21:54:11] | wagnerrp: | oh? |
| [21:54:16] | Beirdo: | wonder when people will remember to trim out parts of messages they really aren't replying to |
| [21:54:19] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:54:26] | JEDIDIAH__: | the classic HDHR is really cool of you can get in a signal. |
| [21:54:35] | Beirdo: | yeah, quote the whole thing for "Thanks", effectively |
| [21:55:02] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...PC cable card tuners should be like the HDHR. |
| [21:55:05] | JEDIDIAH__: | that and flying cars... |
| [21:55:39] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: technically, all cablecard tuners are like the HDHR |
| [21:55:44] | wagnerrp: | you connect to them over the network |
| [21:57:06] | JEDIDIAH__: | I was talking about the free & clear part. and not all CC tuners are network tuners. although they are all kind of vaporous whatever form they take. |
| [21:57:20] | wagnerrp: | even the Ceton tuner is basically an embedded linux system with a private network |
| [21:57:28] | wagnerrp: | is shows up as a network card to the system |
| [21:57:45] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv connects to it over the network, even though its a PCIe card |
| [21:57:59] | JEDIDIAH__: | that's a little weird |
| [21:58:22] | wagnerrp: | it was an easy way to isolate the card from the rest of the system |
| [21:58:48] | wagnerrp: | rather than having to worry about someone hacking together DMA calls to get to the unencrypted content while it exists on card |
| [21:59:28] | wagnerrp: | isnt Cable Labs just awesome! |
| [21:59:36] | wagnerrp: | DRM rules! |
| [22:00:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | sooner or later, the n00bs are going to start paying attention to the enthusiastic torrent freaks at dinner parties. |
| [22:00:12] | JEDIDIAH__: | then it's game over. |
| [22:00:23] | JEDIDIAH__: | [shakes head] |
| [22:03:14] | wagnerrp: | i really dont know how they can claim DRM is to prevent piracy |
| [22:03:47] | JEDIDIAH__: | sure. It doesn't do anything for that. |
| [22:04:00] | wagnerrp: | never did, never was supposed to |
| [22:04:01] | Beirdo: | it's amazing what stupidity will let people claim |
| [22:04:02] | blizzard_: | question, when using the scan function in myth-setup, does it use the "scan" binary as underlaying scanning mechanism? |
| [22:04:15] | wagnerrp: | no, it has its own internal scanner |
| [22:04:23] | blizzard_: | ok |
| [22:04:31] | wagnerrp: | the 'scan' executable does not provide enough information for all of mythtv's needs |
| [22:04:48] | blizzard_: | By some reason my tv card manufactor provides a special scan-s2 binary |
| [22:04:59] | blizzard_: | the ordinary scan binary doesnt find my dvb-s2 channels |
| [22:05:09] | blizzard_: | thought that might be the problem why I dont have ne HD channels =/ |
| [22:05:13] | wagnerrp: | does your card show up under the /dev/dvb folder? |
| [22:05:27] | blizzard_: | the card works yes |
| [22:05:35] | blizzard_: | just that I dont have s2 channels =/ |
| [22:05:35] | wagnerrp: | then youre fine |
| [22:05:40] | blizzard_: | okee |
| [22:05:40] | wagnerrp: | mythtv supports dvb-s2 |
| [22:05:43] | blizzard_: | goodie |
| [22:06:02] | blizzard_: | I am using scan to create a new channels.conf |
| [22:06:10] | blizzard_: | I can still feed that to the scanner right? |
| [22:06:17] | blizzard_: | I recall that it has been problems at some point |
| [22:07:39] | wagnerrp: | it still has problems, because it does not provide enough information for everything mythtv can do |
| [22:07:45] | wagnerrp: | most things should work, some dont |
| [22:07:50] | wagnerrp: | namely EIT |
| [22:09:42] | blizzard_: | Ive created two channels.conf now |
| [22:09:49] | blizzard_: | one for each satellite |
| [22:10:18] | blizzard_: | how will it act when it comes to data from previous scans? |
| [22:10:31] | wagnerrp: | dont know |
| [22:10:31] | blizzard_: | update channels that changed and add new channels? |
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| [22:20:29] | stuartm: | blizzard_: yes, as best it can for |
| [22:21:24] | stuartm: | can run into issues if channels remove themselves from the dvb tables when they aren't on air |
| [22:21:56] | stuartm: | which is contrary to the DVB specs but happens in some European countries |
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| [23:43:38] | Hilikus: | if i buy a blueray drive and put a dvd in it and play it with mythtv, is there a way to upscale it just like a br player does? |
| [23:45:18] | wagnerrp: | your video card will upscale it to whatever your display resolution is |
| [23:48:24] | Hilikus: | so its the video card that does this. but i imagine there must be some algorithms or filters to improve quality. interpolation is not an easy task. can this be handled at the player level? |
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| [23:55:40] | Twiggy2cents: | Hey wagnerrp do you know how to reindex a vob? I concatenated the vobs together in the right order and it works fine on mplayer and vlc. But is only 30 minutes on mythvideo. I used avidemux to convert it to index/convert to mpeg 2 ts and that worked. Is that going to be my best method? |
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| [23:58:51] | JEDIDIAH__: | interesting. I might have some vobs that would suffer that problem with the internal player. |
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