Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, January 6th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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clever:

python may need it just for internal/caching resons

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clever:

python may cache the pgid in userspace, and then get confused when you clear it

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clever:

i remember similar stuff with getting sh job control enabled, as pid 1

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Crys:

No, it's unrelated to Python.

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Beirdo:

pretty sure that in the OLD days, you may have needed extra hoops, but no current daemons I've encountered have required double forking

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clever:

you have to jump thru hoops to setup the controling tty, and then re-exec sh so it knows that itself, several times over

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Crys:

See http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/programmer/faq/ 1.7

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Beirdo:

just need to properly detach

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dtolj:

Anone know whats wrong here: http://pastebin.com/n0HLuQet

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Crys:

Apparently the second fork makes sure that the daemon can never regain a controlling terminal.

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clever:

my first view of manipulating stdin/out and fork was irssi's /exec command

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clever:

which i later found was bugged:P

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clever:

when waitpid() says the child is dead, it stops reading the stdout pipe, even if there is more data waiting

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clever:

fast and spammy stuff like /exec ls -ltrh would get truncated

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Beirdo:

anyways, not usually an issue

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clever:

enless mythtv is doing similar stuff with QProcess and tmdb scripts:P

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Beirdo:

mythtv doesn't use QProcess

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Beirdo:

except for one last place that will disappear in mythtv-setup

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clever:

not even blocking mode QProcess in myth_system?

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clever:

.waitForFinished() and friends

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Beirdo:

myth_system doesn't use QProcess

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clever:

why not?

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Beirdo:

because QProcess is buggy

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Beirdo:

it leaves zombies if you tell it to run something that will give command not found...

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Beirdo:

it has other issues too

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clever:

that reminds me, mythfrontend is already leaving zombies:P

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Beirdo:

all reported to Qt, all not fixed

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Beirdo:

mythfrontend (if you are running recent code) dang well better not be leaving zombies.

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clever:

i usualy have 5 defunc mythfrontend processes hanging under the fe

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Beirdo:

what version of mythfrontend?

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clever:

i think its due to the lirc keypress app

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clever:

MythTV Version : 24115M

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Beirdo:

HAH

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Beirdo:

never mind

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clever:

i know:P

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Beirdo:

not even going to look at myth_system related bugs that far back :)

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clever:

thats why i didnt bring it up until the topic got near it

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Beirdo:

that's why wagnerrp and I rewrote it :)

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clever:

if its been completely rewriten, then theres no sense in me filing bugs or trying to fix it myself

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Beirdo:

that's a known problem with the old implementation

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Beirdo:

[24115]

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MythLogBot:

SVN 24115: (branch fixes/0.23) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/fe3b2f11

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clever:

the bigest problem i might try to fix myself, is the main thread constantly locking up

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Beirdo:

make that the very old implementation

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Beirdo:

some of that got fixed up for 0.24

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clever:

nearly every time i start playback from lirc, the main thread locks and the UI becomes completely unresponsive

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knightr:

Beirdo, Hi! FYI, somebody attached a patch to that ticket at the end of december...

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clever:

starting from telnet never triggers it

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Beirdo:

which ticket?

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knightr:

Qprocess zombies...

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yeah

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dtolj:

when I scan my channel using Tranmitted Guide only EIT it shows me that each channel is locked, then failed to find any new channels.

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clever:

knightr: i think i saw it linked here too

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Beirdo:

and how many years until it's in Qt... then how long until that version of Qt is in distros?

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Beirdo:

okolsi: you around?

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knightr:

... and does it fix it correctly too...

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Beirdo:

easier to just not use crappy buggy code that won't have fixes available mainstream for quite some time

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Beirdo:

I'm not gonna tell everyone to patch Qt and recompile Qt :)

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clever:

that just means having to maintain linux and win32 versions of the code

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clever:

twice as many bugs for you to fix yourself:P

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Beirdo:

we already have that

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clever:

yeah

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Beirdo:

it might make it into what? Qt 4.8?

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Beirdo:

maybe in a couple years we'll rewrite again using a fixed QProcess, but in the mean time :)

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clever:

Beirdo: would it still bug out if you call /bin/sh and have it do the real work?

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Beirdo:

dunno, don't care

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clever:

then QProcess itself wont be getting an error exactly, it would get a return code from sh and an error string on stdout

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Beirdo:

we've customized it such that it fits the many workflows in our code anyways

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Beirdo:

the plan is that all uses of fork/exec in mythtv goes through a common set of code so the changes are localized in one spot

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: there is a limited channel editor in 'livetv' mode, pretty sure you can set xmltvids in there

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iamlindoro:

broken

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clever:

Beirdo: this just feels wrong to be though.... QString command = m_externalApp + " &"; int status = myth_system(command);

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Beirdo:

it was a huge mess. We had QProcess, Q3Process, fork/exec, popen, system

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clever:

wont that turn lirc off, spawn a process, then turn lirc right back on?

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Beirdo:

ummm, no

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Beirdo:

not necessarily

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Beirdo:

and now not at all

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clever:

i thought that was part of myth_systems job

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Beirdo:

if it's being run in the background like that, we don't stop lirc at this point...

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clever:

it checks for an &?

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Beirdo:

oh wait

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wagnerrp:

dtolj: the frontend logs are typically not useful for diagnosing recording issues

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Beirdo:

that's only in a patch, not committed

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

we need your backend logs

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Beirdo:

and yes, it checks the &

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clever:

still seems like it could have false detections

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clever:

myth_system("zsnes;cleanup&

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Beirdo:

false detections of what?

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clever:

");

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clever:

run an emulator, then cleanup some stuff in the bg

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wagnerrp:

clever: i hope youre still running 0.22, because that revision was long before the 0.23 release

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clever:

it ends in &, so it 'must be backgrounding' ....

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Beirdo:

if your command ends with &, it will be running in the background

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dtolj:

wagnerrp: any other logs I should look at?

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wagnerrp:

dtolj: the log for the backend

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clever:

Beirdo: it has a ; in the middle, so it will wait for zsnes to end before returning

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Beirdo:

and using ; in the command line isn't really meant to be supported

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dtolj:

where is the log for backend?

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clever:

wagnerrp: 0.23 trunk:(

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: ah, its been... probably years since ive used it, so i wouldnt notice if it were broken

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Beirdo:

if you want that, write a script with that in it, and myth_system the script

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wagnerrp:

that something not yet rewritten after the OSD rewrite?

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clever:

wagnerrp: ive been meaning to update for a while

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clever:

its got bits of mythui, and some themes are buggered up

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wagnerrp:

clever: at the very least, bump up to 0.23-fixes

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wagnerrp:

was around 24500 something IIRC

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clever:

wagnerrp: does that need the new alsa?

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wagnerrp:

the big audio rewrite was for 0.24

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clever:

i believe alsa 1.0.16 is the first thing that was holding me back from an update

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clever:

qt 4.5 is the newest thing to pop up

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clever:

[24500]

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MythLogBot:

SVN 24500: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/99b8dd6d

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wagnerrp:

[24509]

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MythLogBot:

SVN 24509: (branch fixes/0.23) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/51f1b219

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clever:

dont have the site bookmarked here

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clever:

ive already got a git clone, so i just need to figure out the branch and sha

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dtolj:

wagnerrp: /var/log/mythtv ?

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wagnerrp:

dtolj: good place to look if one exists

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clever:

wagnerrp: dont see a 23-fixes branch however:S

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wagnerrp:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tarball/fixes/0.23

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wagnerrp:

time to rescan for channels...

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wagnerrp:

i lost ABC some point in the last few days

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clever:

wagnerrp: dont really need a tar when i can just switch branch and update to that rev

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wagnerrp:

what was your question?

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wagnerrp:

'git checkout fixes/0.23'

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clever:

ah

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clever:

wagnerrp: do you know about how clone uses hardlinks?

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clever:

error: pathspec 'fixes/0.23' did not match any file(s) known to git.

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dtolj:

wagnerrp: Unknown video codec. Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles. Assuming RTjpeg

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wagnerrp:

clever: that command works fine here

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wagnerrp:

dtolj: what tuner card are you using?

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clever:

git version 1.5.4.3

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you want to upgrade to 1.7.x

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clever:

seems ubuntu is too old for everything:P

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clever:

still on 8.04

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wagnerrp:

wasnt 8.04 an LTS release?

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wagnerrp:

i thought they were still doing packages for that one

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clever:

i think ubuntu never changes the version in any release

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clever:

only security patches

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clever:

atleast not major version updates

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dtolj:

wagnerrp: Hapauge HVR 1600 cx18

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clever:

what i said about git clone and hardlinks, i can use git clone to copy a working directory

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clever:

and it will hardlink the raw data files in .git

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clever:

so the only disk space you loose is the 2nd working copy of the files

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** Beirdo yawns **

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wagnerrp:

check out git-new-workdir, automates that a bit better

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** Beirdo shudders **

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wagnerrp:

stupid HDHR

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Beirdo:

or just suck it up and use the extra disk space

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Beirdo:

are you REALLY htat hard up for like 200MB?

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wagnerrp:

opening up the quicktv app stole my first tuner from the mythtv-setup channel scan

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clever:

Beirdo: it will multiply with each working copy, and its still better then svn

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wagnerrp:

how many working copies do you need?

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Beirdo:

not many people will ever find the need for very many working copies... if working the "git" way

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clever:

i generaly keep one for each distro i run myth on

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clever:

mostly so i dont have to distclean when i change distro

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Beirdo:

I can see a need for 2 if you put master + latest fixes in their own working dirs as you don't want to keep recompiling when switching branches

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Beirdo:

but jeez

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Beirdo:

what?

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Beirdo:

just build it on each box :)

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clever:

every box stores its build dir on nfs, to the main server

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Beirdo:

or... simplify your life by having one distro

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clever:

ive been meaning to update my master to gentoo so i can update it, but havent gotten around to it

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Beirdo:

heheheh

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Beirdo:

never mind

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Beirdo:

enjoy your fun

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clever:

i might be able to just take the root image from the frontend and throw it at the master

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clever:

just need to un-squashfs it

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Beirdo:

put it in heavy enough of a casing, you might even break master

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clever:

which reminds me, ive been meaning to make the nfs booting a bit more sound

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dtolj:

wagnerrp i changed the livetv software encoder to mpeg-4 but still dosn't work

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clever:

pxe/tftp are loading off a server that isnt exactly ideal

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Beirdo:

disks are cheap

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wagnerrp:

dtolj: what tuner card are you using?

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dtolj:

error in backend states: NVR(/dev/video0): Won't work with the streaming interface, falling back VIDIOCGMBUF:: Invalid argument

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dtolj:

wagnerrp: Hapauge HVR 1600 cx18

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clever:

Beirdo: yeah, i'm starting to think i should just un-share the root

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clever:

2 systems right now are sharing the same nfs root

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** Beirdo is happy to have abandoned NFS for home. Wishes he could do so at work **

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clever:

i'm not even sure if my master has grub anymore

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wagnerrp:

dtolj: then you set it up wrong

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clever:

its been network booting for so long

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wagnerrp:

that card does not need an encoder

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clever:

might be pure data drives by now

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dtolj:

wagnerrp the software encoder was set by default how do I disabled it I only have the option of setting rtjpeg or mpeg4,

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wagnerrp:

you added the card as the wrong tuner type

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wagnerrp:

you need to delete it, and add it as an mpeg2 encoder

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Beirdo:

mmmm.

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** Beirdo looks at nginx for his mud's web frontend. Niiiice. **

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Beirdo:

have to see once I get there how well it puts up with many simultaneous connections, but nice.

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Beirdo:

supposed to be really good.

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wagnerrp:

how do people keep getting these newline characters into email topics?

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Beirdo:

beats me

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wagnerrp:

why dont server manufacturers offer water cooling blocks as an option?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

do data centers allow use of liquid cooling?

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Beirdo:

I'd bet most won't

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wagnerrp:

why not?

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Beirdo:

insurance

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Beirdo:

if the liquid leaks, etc

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clever:

mineral oil then

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wagnerrp:

you offer an integrated solution, i dont see a problem

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wagnerrp:

so dont use water, use fluroinert

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Beirdo:

I know, it doesn't happen often, but good luck convincing an insurance company of anything sane

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wagnerrp:

have quick-release taps in the back of the server like you do any other plug

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clever:

seems like it would be more efficient then air cooling

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clever:

just pipe the hot water down town:P

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jams:

some ibm p5 require water cooling

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jams:

not p5 the pseries

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wagnerrp:

jams: exactly, because theyre a full integrated solution and can do that

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clever:

if you have an entire datacenter with liquid cooling, it must put out a ton of btu

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wagnerrp:

but i dont know why you cant just have some modular connector

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Beirdo:

it would be cool.

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wagnerrp:

you wouldnt even need AC at that point

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wagnerrp:

just an evaporation tower on the roof

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Beirdo:

hehe, you'd always need AC for the non-liquid-cooled gear

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Beirdo:

like networking gear

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clever:

you could transfer the heat from the coolant to water, and then serve it to the town as free warm water

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wagnerrp:

well whats left? memory and hard drives

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Beirdo:

but they could be a lot smaller for sure

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Beirdo:

*free*?!

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Beirdo:

are you kidding?

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clever:

relatively:P

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Beirdo:

sell it.

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Beirdo:

duh

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clever:

lol

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wagnerrp:

you might have ~150W per server with the extra bits

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Beirdo:

yeah, the AC load would be significantly smaller

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wagnerrp:

clever: yeah, power plants in industrial area dont just sell power

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Beirdo:

but I doubt you can ever completely get away from having *some* air cooling

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wagnerrp:

our campus is self sufficient, were something like 40MWe, 60MWth

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clever:

Beirdo: what if you had something setup to move heat from air->coolant, and then plumb it ito the same system?

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Beirdo:

bring it down to 10% of current, ya have a huge win though

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wagnerrp:

more thermal output through steam lines than electrical

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Beirdo:

what do you think an AC does?

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Beirdo:

it takes heat from air->coolant.

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clever:

use using the expansion of gasses to suck heat out of the air as the fluid turns into a gas

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clever:

i was thinking more of just running the cold 'water' thru a heater core

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wagnerrp:

no, expansion and compression only occurs internal to the unit

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wagnerrp:

ACs are a closed loop system

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clever:

yeah its fully sealed

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wagnerrp:

any interaction with the environment is purely conductive

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Beirdo:

well, non-broken ones, anyways

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clever:

its just one section is meant to be at a low presure, so it can expand

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wagnerrp:

unless youre talking about something like a swamp cooler

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wagnerrp:

anyway, that compressor requires a /lot/ of power

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clever:

yeah, thats why i was thinking less like AC

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wagnerrp:

and pumping that are around the whole building induces high losses

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wagnerrp:

air

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clever:

just run the coolant thru a heater core to warm it up with air

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clever:

keep the 'heater' cores local to each heat source, and pump cold coolant into them

[01:07:17]

clever:

same cold coolant sent to the CPU's and stuff

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wagnerrp:

im just looking at some article where microsoft is experimenting with 'open air' server farms

[01:07:22]

clever:

just a car rad backwards

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Beirdo:

clever: you nearly defined an AC

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wagnerrp:

where you expose the server to the elements

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wagnerrp:

im wondering why bother

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clever:

Beirdo: but without the compressor and stuff

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: that would work real well in Alaska

[01:07:59]

wagnerrp:

could it really be that hard to just switch over to liquid cooling

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wagnerrp:

particularly if server manufacturers would build it into their units

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Beirdo:

Oh, I agree, that would be neat

[01:08:28]

clever:

the next extreme you could go to

[01:08:36]

clever:

mineral oil swimming pool :P

[01:08:48]

wagnerrp:

i mean they already have big blocks on the CPU and chipsets

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clever:

lower the entire server rack down into the pool under the floor

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Beirdo:

but I think ignorance on the part of insurance cos, etc may play too large of a role here

[01:08:55]

Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: another idea is to have cases used as heatpipes and use cooling bays for each rackmount

[01:09:33]

wagnerrp:

i cant imagine a high efficiency 1/2U block is that much cheaper than a water block

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Beirdo:

I would bet it's significantly more expensive

[01:10:09]

clever:

wagnerrp: what if the entire rack was just submerged?, would that have any effect on components other then the cdrom?

[01:10:27]

Beirdo:

a liquid cooling block and a couple holes on the back of the server would be cheap to do for sure

[01:10:28]

clever:

only thing i can think of would be keeping good flow of the fluid

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: from the consumer market the cost for the block themselves arent that different but, to do a proper watercooling setup it takes much more than just a block

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wagnerrp:

clever: then you have to figure out some way to keep the fluid flowing properly

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wagnerrp:

not to mention maintenance would be an absolute mess

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Beirdo:

and keeping the fluid absolutely non-conductive

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Beirdo:

and non-corrosive

[01:11:01]

Beirdo:

etc.

[01:11:11]

wagnerrp:

once you dump the computer into mineral oil, consider it lost

[01:11:20]

wagnerrp:

easier to throw it away and replace, than conduct repairs

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Beirdo:

yup

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clever:

cant just drain it?

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wagnerrp:

sure, but that takes hours

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Shadow__X:

it goes everywhere

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wagnerrp:

and then youre still left with a residue that will never go away

[01:11:59]

clever:

ignore the fluid everywhere? :P

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wagnerrp:

anything that could remove it would destroy the system

[01:12:17]

clever:

it will be dunked back in the tank when its fixed anyways

[01:12:22]

wagnerrp:

i dont want to repair slimy computers

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clever:

leave the residue on there

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clever:

gloves?

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Beirdo:

and aging mineral oil breaks down exactly how?

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wagnerrp:

by becoming conductive

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clever:

some other non-conductive fluid then

[01:13:08]

wagnerrp:

whoops...

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Beirdo:

that would be my bet

[01:13:15]

wagnerrp:

fluroinert

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Beirdo:

conductive and/or corrosive to any of the many materials in the machine

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Beirdo:

blech

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Beirdo:

I think circulated liquid cooling is far more likely to take off :)

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clever:

thinking it could be like a 2 layer tower, with a bank of anything moving (hdd, cdrom) on the top, running cables to the rack units below

[01:14:25]

wagnerrp:

but seriously, you just have a pair of channels, inlet and outlet, on the back of each rack

[01:14:30]

clever:

with the top half staying above the surface

[01:14:33]

wagnerrp:

flexible hoses with quick release plugs

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Shadow__X:

i wouldnt mind seeing a simulated rack that has independent hookups for water cooling

[01:14:46]

Beirdo:

kinda like air hoses for a compressor

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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Beirdo:

I dig it

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Beirdo:

be a heck of a lot quieter too

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clever:

all the air hose connectors i have only seal one side when disconnecting

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wagnerrp:

you would a bit of drippage when you unplug them, but if you use something like fluroinert, its non conductive

[01:15:29]

wagnerrp:

and you dont even have to clean it up since it will evaporate on its own

[01:15:47]

Beirdo:

it's not toxic, I hope :0

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wagnerrp:

(which is why having such stuff in a 'pool' type configuration is bad)

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wagnerrp:

nah, not at the quantities were talking about

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clever:

ah, then a swiming pool of fluroinert might not work so well

[01:16:20]

clever:

you would be constantly toping the pool up

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Beirdo:

cool, you could seriously minimize the airflow needs doing something like that

[01:16:54]

wagnerrp:

then just pump it out to your heatsink where ever

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clever:

just keep enough air flow to handle the vapors atleast, so it doesnt build up

[01:17:14]

wagnerrp:

pump it into the ground, pump it into a river, pump it into an industrial evaporative cooling stack

[01:17:28]

wagnerrp:

you still need cooling for the drives and memory

[01:17:38]

clever:

ive found a page about a merucy fountain, in a sealed room

[01:17:40]

wagnerrp:

running those with fluid is doable, but not cheaply

[01:17:47]

Shadow__X:

they have blocks for those too

[01:17:50]

Beirdo:

pump it into a heat exchanger in the boiler room of the condo building next door

[01:17:56]

clever:

the evaporation went so far that the air in that sealed room isnt safe anymore

[01:18:15]

wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: yeah, but when youre talking about a dozen modules per server, that gets a bit expensive

[01:18:26]

wagnerrp:

im talking about doing this for equivalent cost in hardware

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clever:

Beirdo: yeah, then you can actualy use the heat for something

[01:18:50]

wagnerrp:

its not going to be hot enough to be useful for that

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: oh ok yeah. mount a 120mm fan above it

[01:19:20]

wagnerrp:

no, mount several 60/80mm fans to the side of it

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clever:

wagnerrp: probly cant replace the heating bill, but it might put a small dent in it

[01:19:30]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: every bit that the condo building can reduce its utility bill by getting cheaper heat from your data center..

[01:19:33]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Shadow__X:

at that point you are increasing the sound again

[01:19:54]

wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: its a server room, youre going to have sound

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Beirdo:

Shadow__X: increasing?

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wagnerrp:

im talking about reducing the AC

[01:20:05]

Beirdo:

have you HEARD rackmounted servers?

[01:20:28]

wagnerrp:

everyone keeps doing these studies using open air cooling to cut on AC bills

[01:20:35]

wagnerrp:

im wondering why

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clever:

Beirdo: yes

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Gumby:

hi all. is it possible in 0.23 to define multiple music directories? I have tried /xxxx/yyyyy:/xxxx/zzzz but this does not seem to work

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clever:

the catscan's my dad maintains have 3 rack mounted servers in a cabinet

[01:21:06]

Beirdo:

by water-blocking the CPUs alone, your air flow inside the box would be reduced significantly (ie. required airflow), and thus the noise level

[01:21:07]

wagnerrp:

why not just use pervasive liquid cooling, like the supercomputers of yore

[01:21:17]

clever:

one of which has a 8 or 16 drive raid array

[01:21:19]

clever:

less then 1tb....

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Shadow__X:

Beirdo: well i have heard a 1u rackmount with highpressure 40mm fans and i have heard a 4u with high pressure 80mm dual fin fan and that was loud on its own

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clever:

it was solid sata drives from one side of the rack to the other

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Beirdo:

and by doing that also, your AC in the data center could be 50% or less of the size

[01:21:43]

wagnerrp:

dual fin?

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wagnerrp:

would that be contra rotating?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I'm sold on the idea... too bad we don't have the seed capital to start a data center and fill it with such servers :)

[01:23:28]

Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: thats what i thought it was but, i am looking it up now to make sure

[01:23:33]

clever:

i think i have the /proc and /sys here from that raid server

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: there has to be something missing here

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wagnerrp:

i mean its not like im some visionary

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wagnerrp:

pc enthusiasts have been doing it for a decade

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: agreed. gotta be SOMETHING :)

[01:24:43]

wagnerrp:

and specialized industrial equipment and electronics for far longer than that

[01:24:50]

Beirdo:

yeah

[01:24:51]

wagnerrp:

there has to be some drawback or else people would be doing it

[01:24:57]

Beirdo:

like jet engines

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Beirdo:

:)

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clever:

hmmm, dual core 3.6ghz xeon

[01:25:09]

Beirdo:

most people would shudder to hear how they are cooled

[01:25:21]

clever:

3gig ram

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: its the rear fans on a norco rpc-4220 they are 80mm and are very deep. They have 2 sets of blades on them

[01:25:37]

clever:

SCSI storage controller: Adaptec ASC-39320A U320 (rev 10) * 4

[01:25:42]

clever:

SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AIC-7902B U320 (rev 10) * 2

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clever:

2 gigabit ethernets

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wagnerrp:

two sets of blades... so contra rotating?

[01:26:09]

Shadow__X:

i believe so

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: wait a minute, you mean theyre running above the melting temperature of the materials, and theyre being cooled by 1000 degree air???

[01:26:32]

Gumby:

contra, up up down down left right left right b a start

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: hehe, no....

[01:26:45]

wagnerrp:

oh god oh god were all going to die

[01:26:47]

Beirdo:

hehe

[01:27:14]

Beirdo:

oil to air heat transfer... and.. FUEL to air heat transfer

[01:27:17]

clever:

does http://www.saharamicro.com/supermicro-super-x . . . nc4AodggySnA look like a powerfull server?

[01:27:22]

Beirdo:

that one scared me a bit

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Beirdo:

and fuel to oil.

[01:28:12]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

intricate setups, I tell ya

[01:28:23]

clever:

Beirdo: did you know the electic fuel pump (motor and all) is sometimes inside the gas tank of a car?

[01:28:25]

Beirdo:

anyways..

[01:28:26]

Crys:

Supermicro make really, *really* good server boards.

[01:28:44]

Beirdo:

and?

[01:28:50]

Crys:

The newer generations even have builtin IPMI and remote management cards.

[01:28:57]

clever:

Beirdo: electricity, gas, spark

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Beirdo:

Crys: yeah.

[01:29:02]

Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

electricity... gas VAPOR, spark

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clever:

Beirdo: i know theres no real oxygen in there

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clever:

too rich to burn

[01:29:49]

wagnerrp:

sure theres oxygen

[01:29:58]

wagnerrp:

its not like a gas tank is sealed

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clever:

just not the right fuel/oxy mixture

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Beirdo:

something has to replace the gas the engine uses

[01:30:09]

wagnerrp:

the fuel pump is going to produce a vacuum

[01:30:17]

clever:

yeah

[01:30:24]

wagnerrp:

if it didnt let air in, you would have problems

[01:30:32]

Beirdo:

some fuel tanks are partly bladder-based, but still

[01:30:33]

wagnerrp:

in fact they do have problems

[01:30:38]

wagnerrp:

see TWA flight 800

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: self sealing tanks in consumer vehicles?

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clever:

hmmm, this server had a 2gig drive, an 80gig,, and the rest where behind scsi/sata i lacked drivers for

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Beirdo:

I said *partly* :)

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clever:

it was atleast 5 drives total, probly all 80gig's

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clever:

wait, the 2gig was my boot stick

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Crys:

sweet

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clever:

ugh, it seems tar didnt save /proc right

[01:33:37]

clever:

all the files are 0 bytes

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Beirdo:

duh

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clever:

tar didnt try reading them

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clever:

which flag in /proc/cpuinfo was for 64bit?

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Beirdo:

ask google

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Beirdo:

more likely it will remember than any of us :)

[01:36:17]

clever:

ah, thats why none of them stood out to me, wrong cpuinfo

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clever:

lm is it

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clever:

model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.60GHz

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wagnerrp:

eew... on old one

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wagnerrp:

i guess thats to be expected with U320 drives

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clever:

i gathered this info back in 2010–05

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wagnerrp:

how long ago did the industry switch to SAS?

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Beirdo:

a while ago

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Beirdo:

I have a couple spare U320 RAID cards at home.

[01:38:20]

Beirdo:

I should ebay the puppies

[01:38:40]

Beirdo:

might buy me a couple cases of beer

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clever:

i think this was doing software raid with a ton of sata cards

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clever:

03:01.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec ASC-39320A U320 (rev 10)

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clever:

02:02.1 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AIC-7902B U320 (rev 10)

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clever:

or not:P

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Beirdo:

those aren't SATA

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clever:

6 of them

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clever:

U320's, just like you said

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Beirdo:

39320... that might actually be the ones I have at home

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Beirdo:

I don't remember

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clever:

it just looks a bit extreme for the system to have 6 of those cards...

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clever:

how many drives did each normaly take?

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Beirdo:

if it's just a U320... 15 drives per channel

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Beirdo:

not sure how many channels that has

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clever:

i know it wasnt 15*6 drives!

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Beirdo:

U320 has 16 addresses IIRC. One for the controller

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clever:

12 kinda feels right for the raid size

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clever:

2 per card

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wagnerrp:

dirty dirty fox

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Beirdo:

2 per card! what a waste of money

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Beirdo:

anyways

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wagnerrp:

now im getting tickers about negotiation between my local affiliate and directtv

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wagnerrp:

WTF is with that

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wagnerrp:

wait... dont most cards have two controllers?

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Beirdo:

a lot of them do.

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clever:

Beirdo: the bigger waste, is that the array had a few bad sectors

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wagnerrp:

meaning each SCSI card could hold 30 drives

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clever:

we replaced the whole damn server rack

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Beirdo:

but per channel, 15 drives

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Beirdo:

so 2 controllers, 30 drives max, yes

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wagnerrp:

and those old drives at best did maybe 60–70MB/s off the platter

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clever:

i'm seeing ah wait, i see 2 devices per pci slot i think

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wagnerrp:

even the 15k ones

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clever:

03:01.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec ASC-39320A U320 (rev 10)

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clever:

03:01.1 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec ASC-39320A U320 (rev 10)

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clever:

this is one card, right?

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wagnerrp:

they just didnt have the areal density for high throughput

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wagnerrp:

meaning you could get 6 drives on a channel before saturation

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, this system was meant for massive thruput, not size

[01:45:00]

clever:

it recorded the raw imaging data from the catscan, fed over a fiber-optic link

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Beirdo:

LVD SE U320, dual channel

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clever:

Beirdo: ok, that makes a bit more sense then, 3 cards, all dual-channel

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wagnerrp:

meaning you could easily have 10 drives on that single card without noticing any loss in throughput

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Beirdo:

yeah. you can fit 30 drives, but you'd be best off at like 3–4 per channel max

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Beirdo:

ok, 4–5 :)

[01:46:17]

Beirdo:

somewhere in that range :)

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clever:

4 per channel feels close to what it had, 12 feels like the total drive count, not including the boot drive

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Beirdo:

4 per channel on 6 channels is 24 drives

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Beirdo:

:)

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clever:

4 per card

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Beirdo:

ah. gotcha

[01:47:33]

Beirdo:

anyways...

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Beirdo:

I should see what cards those are sitting on my shelf, and dispose of them for drinking money

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Beirdo:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: I've got a similar card in my myth box now, but no PCI-X slots, so I'm running it in PCI mode... (about 4x slower... DOH!) But the only drive I have on it is a single 10Krpm 146GB U320 drive, which I'm using for my DB. (and it actually helps out ALOT!)

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clever:

id love to use that rack server i had for something myth or apache related

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Actually, I have the *exact same* card... ;-)

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clever:

its faster then anything else i have

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J-e-f-f-A:

01:08.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec ASC-39320A U320 (rev 10)

[02:02:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

01:08.1 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec ASC-39320A U320 (rev 10)

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehehehehe...

[02:02:17]

clever:

right down to the revsion

[02:02:19]

clever:

what distro?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Fedora 13

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: did the kernel driver come pre-compiled?

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Yep, it was plug&play. ;-)

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jya:

anyone with sata / sas experience?

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jya:

Looking at adding a card to be able to add more sata ports to my PC

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clever:

i was peeking at it with a gentoo stick, so it was stripped down a good deal

[02:03:30]

jya:

was recommended this card: http://www.lsi.com/storage_home/products_home . . . e/index.html as it's supported by most OS

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: depends on what kind of experience... ah... ;-)

[02:03:44]

jya:

I don't understand how you connect those to a sata port ;(

[02:04:07]

jya:

that card has 8 3GB/s , yet you can connect 122 sata devices?

[02:04:17]

clever:

jya: i'm using a via card here, PCI SATA and USB on it

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clever:

however, one sata is external, so i had to route the 1.5tb out a slot and plug it in the back

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: SAS and SATA share the exact same physical connector. It's just a different protocol for SAS. And SAS is downward-compatible with SATA – IE: You can use a SATA drive on a SAS controller. (But not the other way around)

[02:04:43]

clever:

and the usb ports are all covered partialy by the case

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jya:

clever: I want to add this for a raid. A PCI card is limited to 133MB/s .. not much point for me

[02:04:59]

clever:

ah

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: probably quoted that if you have Sata multipliers.

[02:05:06]

clever:

i added it to a box that still has ISA slots

[02:05:27]

clever:

the bios itself cant even handle 100gig drives

[02:05:38]

jya:

j-e-f-f-a: yeah I read that about sata vs sas ; but all the card they have those weird small squary ports

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clever:

but it now contains 2.5tb

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Shadow__X:

jya: i have heard that the dell perc cards are cheap and are decent enough specifically the perc 5i but ymmv and i do not have personal experience with them

[02:06:13]

jya:

clever: the bios may not, but add multiple drives together, and it's very easy to get over. Heck my SSD drives give me 250MB/s average write speed

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clever:

yeah, this sata controler is completely outside the bios's view

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clever:

so linux has total control of it

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: Oh, that's one of those multi-ports – 4 ports per connector – you basically either need an 'octopus' cable to go to multiple drives, or a device with the same port & a backplane.

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wagnerrp:

jya: the 'weird small squary ports' are just four SATA/SAS ports tied together

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Shadow__X:

jya: they also do sff ports on some cards and you would need a reserve breakout cable ((if i am not mistaken) to get to individual sata/sas ports

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wagnerrp:

backplanes often take those connectors

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jya:

octopus.. that sounds interesting ...

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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wagnerrp:

and the cards often come with breakout (or 'octopus') cables

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jya:

ah so you have one cable for this 8 x 3Gb/s lane

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wagnerrp:

4x, but yes

[02:08:15]

wagnerrp:

SFF-8087

[02:08:17]

Shadow__X:

or get a case that has a backplane and you need one cable per 4 drives

[02:08:56]

jya:

and that gives you sata connector I

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: like this: http://www.amazon.com/Discrete-SFF-8087-Rever . . . p/B002MK7F0Y

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clever:

2 or 3 of the sun towers ive seen have nice backblanes

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clever:

a single PCB with sata+power connectors for i think 6 drives

[02:09:45]

clever:

drives plug directly into the pcb, no cables

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jya:

J-e-f-f-A: thanks

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jya:

need to find the same card but with internal connectors

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Shadow__X:

jya: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_attached_SCSI#Connectors

[02:10:26]

jya:

so each of those sas ports, can drive 4 sata?

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J-e-f-f-A:

right, or 4 SAS. ;-) It auto-negotiates to the drive type.

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jya:

ok..

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jya:

cool

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jya:

why is it that all the cards you find are raid controller. I don't want a raid controller :(

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: You can still run them in 'JBOD' mode.

[02:13:10]

jya:

J-e-f-f-A: I was reading that even in JBOD mode, it is actually not performing as well with ZFS if it can't access the drive directly

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: If that's what you're looking for, the 'FakeRaid' cards are cheaper, and cost less.

[02:13:50]

jya:

I want a straight sata/sas adapter.. no raid nothing.. for raid5 I would use md or zfs anyway

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Shadow__X:

i was looking at the wiki article list of device bandwidths and according to this wireless g is supposed to get 54Mbit/s. Why do we allow these companies to lie to us

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jya:

you do get 54Mbit/s

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: So take a look at the RocketRaid stuff – they're 'fake raid', and would do just what you want for a reasonable price. Not sure how many ports they have up to though – I have a 2300 in my system now, and it's a 4-port SATA II card with PCIe 1x interface.

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jya:

all depends on how you calculate it :)

[02:15:40]

jya:

54Mbit/s = 27 Mbit/s each way

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Shadow__X:

jya: i have never gotten 6.75MB/sec from wireless g. Even with the laptop sitting on top of the router without any other machines connected

[02:16:23]

Shadow__X:

jya: ah right

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jya:

J-e-f-f-A: I'm experiencing speed issue with the internal ICH10 controller, that's the other reason I'm looking at another controller

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jya:

Shadow_X: the 54Mbit/s is half-duplex

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jya:

27Mbit/s both ways at the same time

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jya:

it's the same with 802.11n

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: but does it do pass-through? because i have a rocketraid card and certain utilities like smartctl can not read the information of the drives. I have to use the included software

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jya:

so about 3MB/s max

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wagnerrp:

plus, 54mbps is the bitstream throughput, including all redundancy

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wagnerrp:

the actual data throughput is something far less

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: I believe so – I was just reviewing the 'smart' data on my drives a couple of weeks ago – had another WD 500 failing... (it had over 60 bad sectors in a week... doh!)

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Shadow__X:

so what is reasonable to expect to get with wireless n with a rating of 300Mbit/s

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jya:

150MBit/s each way

[02:18:20]

jya:

it's actually 270Mbit/s

[02:18:31]

jya:

so about 12MB/s

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jya:

best I ever got was 9–10MB/s though

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: you were able to use smartctl on the drives connected to the rocketraid card?

[02:18:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

let me check...

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Shadow__X:

jya: oh ok. Yeah i personally get around 6–9MB/sec unless i am closer to the router

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jya:

J-e-f-f-A: like this card? http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page . . . cts_id=16029

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: yep.

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: hmm. Ok then i think its because i was using an external enclosure then. Sorry about that and thanks for the info

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: That's actually a 'real' raid controller... and 16 ports wow. The model I have is the lowly RocketRAID 2300 – it's basically just a 4-port SATA II controller.

[02:22:21]

jya:

J-e-f-f-A: (that's so long to type your name) : if you run in jbod, is it actually identical to running a straight sata port? like smartctl passthrough the lot ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: Here's the 'fakeraid' one I'm using right now. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816115029

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: no tab-completion? ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yes, on my 2300

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wagnerrp:

jya: even in passthrough mode, a RAID controller will still be slower than a basic SATA controller

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** jya just discovered Tab **

[02:23:17]

wagnerrp:

and at least on mine, passthrough disks are not automatically generated

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: it takes extra time to enumerate the information

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wagnerrp:

if you remove a disk and add it back, you must manually define it as passthrough

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Shadow__X:

?

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jya:

wagnerrp: ok, so I should stick to a pure sas/sata controller

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: This has to be a fakeraid for the price: 8-port http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 57-_-Product

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wagnerrp:

if possible, a basic controller would be better

[02:24:05]

wagnerrp:

i know you can pick up 8-port controllers for ~$100

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jya:

wagnerrp: well I cna't find any to start with

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wagnerrp:

yeah, they are a bit rare

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jya:

it's always hard to find one, so finding a cheap one is even worse

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: ^^ that link I pasted has an 8-port RocketRAID 2680 SAS/SATA controller for $139.99 – not bad IMHO – I paid $10 more for my 2300 a couple of years ago... and it's only 4 port SATA...

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jya:

and I don't really care about cheap right now

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: In that case, if you like that card, can I get a finder's fee? ;-) /me chuckes... hehehehe

[02:27:22]

jya:

J-e-f-f-A: I will have to read 200 google reviews before I decide what I want to do :)

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs. ;-) **

[02:27:33]

jya:

if it turned out to be not so great

[02:27:41]

jya:

I will charge you a wasted my time fee

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jya:

ah, and this store that is 5 minutes drive from here, has it http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page . . . cts_id=15511

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jya:

in stock

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Shadow__X:

jya: if this isn't a selling point for the card jeffa linked i dont know what is. TerabyteGuard .maintain RAID integrity with routine inspection of storage for defects induced by wear and tear.

[02:28:25]

wagnerrp:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101358

[02:28:38]

wagnerrp:

8-port, PCIe x4

[02:28:45]

wagnerrp:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815121009

[02:28:51]

wagnerrp:

or the PCIX version

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: see if they'll price-match newegg. ;-)

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jya:

wagnerrp: so it efectively only have half the bandwidth that would be required for 8 sata

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jya:

J-e-f-f-A: I'm in Oz...

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wagnerrp:

sure... its /only/ 1GBps... :)

[02:30:00]

jya:

still...

[02:30:06]

jya:

say I put 8 SSD cards in there..

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wagnerrp:

the fastest drives you can buy wont quite hit 150MB/s at the outer edge

[02:30:28]

wagnerrp:

well if youre using SSDs, then all bets are off

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Wow, I like the 1st card – PCIe... ;-)

[02:30:53]

Shadow__X:

get the ocz ssd that plugs into pcie

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jya:

same with the 2680: 4xPCIe

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: BYOB though

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** J-e-f-f-A want's jya's budget... ;-) **

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jya:

J-e-f-f-A: on this I don't really have a budget, it's not for me , but for work

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: Ah, then why not go for a 'true' raid card? What's the aim, high thruput? You'd want to use an interleaved raid then, for 2x (or more?) the thruput of a single drive...

[02:33:14]

jya:

J-e-f-f-A: it's for a straight replacement of the 6xICH10 used right now with a zfs pool

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: he wants a dumb controller so ZFS can do the raid

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jya:

so real raid card serves me no purpose, it will be used in jbod at best

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ah, ok. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

I personally prefer JBOD for my myth box after running a Raid5 setup for a year and a half and having two drives fail without warning at the same time... (one had the 'click-of-death', the other just decided to not do anything... doh!)

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wagnerrp:

jya: bunch of these... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816132018 ?

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Shadow__X:

zfs does data integrity checks by default right

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wagnerrp:

yes

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jya:

was looking in one of those: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page . . . Path=210_385

[02:35:35]

wagnerrp:

checksumming on all read data

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jya:

Shadow__X: yes, it corrects silent error too

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: those cards only have 4 ports btw — there are jumpers to select the internal or external ports for the 2 'shared' ports...

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Shadow__X:

i think i am going to check it out on a spare desktop i have then

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wagnerrp:

thats fine, four ports for 4x PCIe

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wagnerrp:

meaning you are only starved for 200MB/s, rather than 1.2GB/s

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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jya:

wagnerrp: but only via jbod

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jya:

it's 250MB/s btw :)

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wagnerrp:

each PCIe channel is 250MB/s, each SATA2 channel is 300MB/s

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jya:

ah true.

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Beirdo^2:

Hmmm. Seems I have a race condition to hunt down when I get home

[02:39:02]

jya:

but why did you write that "you are only starved for 200MB/s" ?

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wagnerrp:

a PCIe x4 slot for 4x SATA2 means youre starved for 200MB/s

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wagnerrp:

the SATA ports can use that much more bandwidth than is available

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wagnerrp:

the other card was x4 for 8x, so starved for 1.2GB/s

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jya:

that's my motherboard: http://www.gigabyte.com.au/products/product-p . . . ?pid=2958#ov

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: ie: 4x300MB/s = 1.2GB/s the x4 card is capable of 4x250MB/s or 1GB/s ... hence the 200MB/s difference wagnerrp is referring to. ;-)

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jya:

ahh ok.. I see what you meant

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jya:

board has 2 x x16, 1 x8, 1 x x4, and 1 x x1

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jya:

wagnerrp: actually, that card is for sata 3 (6Gbit/s), so PCIe x8 isn't good either for things to be well

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clever:

can the platter/heads even handle those numbers

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: he's going to be using SSDs ;-)

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clever:

ah

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jya:

J-e-f-f-A: nah.. I wrote that I *could* be using SSDs :)

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clever:

id worry about the flash erase speeds then

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Shadow__X:

jya: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227579

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clever:

enless it has battery backed ram buffers, its going to be a slow write

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: that's one kicking board. I just bought it's 'little sister' – an AM3 based 890GPA-UD3H ;-)

[02:49:37]

jya:

Shadow__X: there's a 256GB and 512GB PCIe 8x card from Photofast with 1.2GB/s write/read speed

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jya:

they are actually 4x 64GB or 4x 128GB RAID on a PCIe

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jya:

Shadow__X: they have it in stock :) http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page . . . 902_903_1147

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: Gee... According to the review I just found that was written on 10/8/2010 "Pricing for the new drive is a mere $1670 (240Gb), $2360 (480Gb) and $4300 (960Gb) and you can pre-order today..." Yikes... http://thessdreview.com/latest-buzz/photofast . . . -benchmarks/

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Shadow__X:

jya: if you want get work to pick up a few i will test it out for you post haste

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clever:

error: pathspec 'fixes/0.23' did not match any file(s) known to git.

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jya:

I wanted a SLC SSD for the ZFS ZIL device

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clever:

wagnerrp: i'm on 1.7.2.5 now, :S

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jya:

right... made my order

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jya:

1 x 4 3.5" case with fan, that 2720 RAID card, and ther 120GB PCIe SSD

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jya:

plus it's a nice day.. will enjoy the ride..

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** J-e-f-f-A is jealous! ;-) **

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clever:

i think 'git checkout v0.23.1' is what i needed, no idea why wagnerrp's command refused to work

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: strange... I just switched to 0.23 via: git checkout fixes/0.23 – then back to 0.24 with git checkout fixes/0.24

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: i cant see any reason why it would not work for me

[03:04:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever: You running git v 1.7 + ? I'm running: git version 1.7.2.3

[03:05:08]

clever:

i tried it last on 1.7.2.5

[03:05:17]

clever:

newer then what you have

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clever:

it gave the exact same error as 1.5

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: strange. I got that error on 1.5, but not on 1.7

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clever:

how would you list those special markers?

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J-e-f-f-A:

git branch -a

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clever:

only see 2, master, origin/head, and origin/master

[03:06:26]

clever:

3*

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J-e-f-f-A:

chop off 'remotes/origin/' – just specify 'fixes/0.23'

[03:06:39]

clever:

no remotes/origin at all

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J-e-f-f-A:

add the "-a"

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clever:

might be due to the clone i did, i clones from github, and then cloned it again on the local fs, hmmm

[03:07:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

ah.

[03:07:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

That would probably do it. I don't know how to 'point' it back to github. ;-)

[03:07:47]

clever:

let me try on the 'main' clone directly from git

[03:08:03]

clever:

hub

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clever:

looks to be doing something

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clever:

i think i heard somewhere you can just fudge the url= in .git/config

[03:09:18]

clever:

point it back to github

[03:10:43]

clever:

i was expecting git clone/fetch to give a fairly identical copy of the repo nomater wahat

[03:10:51]

clever:

it should randomly drop whole branches

[03:10:55]

clever:

shouldnt*

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Shadow__X:

if i do a git pull of the .24-fixes branch could i continue to use the packaging script?

[03:21:04]

alan`:

what card would be best to use on a cable line?

[03:21:32]

alan`:

i had a Pinnacle 800e that wouldn't tune the HD channels and wouldn't capture sound from the analog side

[03:21:38]

alan`:

any suggestions would be great

[03:21:46]

wagnerrp:

alan`: you need analog?

[03:21:52]

alan`:

yes

[03:21:56]

alan`:

i need good analog

[03:22:03]

alan`:

and HD

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wagnerrp:

pick up an old PVR-150, or new HVR-1600/2250

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Beirdo:

or even an old PVR-250 :)

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alan`:

i was looking at those

[03:25:31]

alan`:

do they have HD?

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alan`:

because the PVR-250 is 25 bucks on amazon

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Beirdo:

ummm

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Beirdo:

those are analog

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wagnerrp:

they still sell 250s?

[03:29:32]

Beirdo:

the 2250 does HD (well digital OTA and QAM from cable) as well, and its analog support isn't in the mainstream kernel driver quite yet.

[03:29:43]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: sure.. on ebay, etc, just like the 150

[03:29:54]

Beirdo:

not in stores though

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wagnerrp:

he said amazon

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Beirdo:

OK, I think I have Bill Meek's segfault covered. Will see when he gets back to me

[03:31:00]

Beirdo:

sure, someone like me could sell one

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Beirdo:

doubt there's a store behind that item, more likely an individual

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Beirdo:

heck, I could sell 3 if I wanted to

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wagnerrp:

really, individuals can sell through amazon?

[03:32:04]

Beirdo:

you setup a "webstore"

[03:32:05]

Beirdo:

yeah

[03:32:13]

Beirdo:

it's not a real store

[03:32:33]

Beirdo:

it's from the old days when people sold books there primarily

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Beirdo:

okolsi: you around?

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J-e-f-f-A:

skd5aner: My MB is Rev 2.1

[04:17:41]

jya:

J-e-f-f-A: the SAS -> 4xSATA cable was more expensive that the HDD expansion kit :(

[04:18:03]

wagnerrp:

that doesnt seem right

[04:18:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: he paid *retail*...

[04:18:52]

jya:

it's actually a mini-sas to SFF-8482 connector

[04:19:11]

jya:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, I;m leaving overseas tomorrow, and I had to get this done today... can't afford to wait

[04:19:31]

wagnerrp:

one of these?... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 33-_-Product

[04:19:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

jya: Coming to visit us in the States? ;-)

[04:19:40]

jya:

that rocket raid card has got to be the tiniest PCIe card I have ever seen

[04:19:49]

jya:

J-e-f-f-A: nah, Europe , France

[04:20:15]

jya:

this is soo tiny.. didn't know they made card so small

[04:20:48]

[R]:

that's what she said

[04:20:57]

Beirdo:

oh please

[04:21:01]

[R]:

haha

[04:21:11]

[R]:

Beirdo: what she says isn't always positive

[04:21:44]

Beirdo:

and it got old. a LONG time ago

[04:21:55]

[R]:

lol

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[R]:

omg, this kidz bop is hilarious... its all the popular songs... but crapified

[04:22:16]

Beirdo:

nothing new

[04:22:22]

Beirdo:

I remember crap like that in the 80s

[04:22:26]

** jya seems he's missing something.. **

[04:22:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, that's what I was thinking... Learn some new jokes. ;-)

[04:25:02]

jya:

do we have a "she" in mythtv world ?

[04:25:10]

[R]:

lol

[04:25:31]

wagnerrp:

yeah, used to have one that came around frequently

[04:25:36]

wagnerrp:

still on the mailing list a bit

[04:25:39]

wagnerrp:

!seen meshe

[04:25:39]

MythLogBot:

meshe was last seen 247 days 5 hours 17 minutes 40 seconds ago

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jya:

wagnerrp: that said was a she.. that's no proof whatsoever :)

[04:25:52]

wagnerrp:

plus theres one more on the wiki

[04:25:53]

xtort-:

I could put my wife's client to autojoin this channel if we need a new one

[04:25:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

wow, she hasn't been around in a LONG time, eh?

[04:26:03]

Beirdo:

jya: there are a few

[04:26:16]

Beirdo:

but *few* would be the operative word, I think

[04:26:39]

jya:

yeah, like I have a few billion dollars

[04:26:44]

jya:

few = 0.00something

[04:27:10]

Beirdo:

heheh

[04:27:25]

jya:

allright, time to try that tiny thing and see how well that pc knows how to use it

[04:28:06]

** Beirdo pre-emptively yawns at [R] **

[04:28:18]

[R]:

i didn't say anything

[04:28:24]

[R]:

i'm watching this video on the LG Optimus 2X

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[R]:

its liek explosions

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bobgill:

I'm trying to set recording to end 1 minute early using mythweb here: http://i.imgur.com/w6kND.png in the End Late would I put -1 ?

[04:35:04]

[R]:

bobgill: yes

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bobgill:

[R]: ok ty :]

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jya:

J-e-f-f-A: do you have to set the disk for jbod or is it automatic?

[04:39:38]

jya:

J-e-f-f-A: cause when I go into the bios utility, i can't mark a disk as jbod or anything like that. My 4 x 2TB disks shows up as "legacy"

[04:39:40]

Beirdo:

mmmm, jbod

[04:40:44]

Shadow__X:

jya: on my fake raid card that was somewhat similar i had to use jbod

[04:42:01]

jya:

Shadow__X: so you have to format the disk fo jbod or something?

[04:42:10]

jya:

on my 3ware card, there were 3 choices:

[04:42:18]

jya:

member of a raid, jbod or nothing

[04:42:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

jya: I think it's automatic.

[04:42:35]

jya:

for jbod, I had to explicitely mark the drive for jbod, which would destroy the disk content

[04:42:51]

jya:

if set as jbod, then you could mark the disk as spare for any of the arrays

[04:43:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

jya: I think that card is basically just a sata/sas controller – no on-board raid computational hardware.

[04:43:23]

jya:

J-e-f-f-A: not the one I got: 2710

[04:43:34]

jya:

it has a jmicron RAID controller

[04:44:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

jya: I'd say boot into Linux and see what you get for devices... I would think it would default to JBOD.

[04:44:57]

jya:

yeah, the only spare PC I have right now to test that card is a nexenta appliance

[04:45:11]

jya:

don't know much about that OS

[04:45:16]

jya:

it's a solaris kernel

[04:46:50]

jya:

time to read the manual of the card

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** jya amazed that you can purchased stuff that do not include a manual **

[04:49:44]

clever:

ive heard of one type of raid controler, with an ethernet port on it

[04:49:50]

clever:

http based config UI

[04:50:02]

clever:

no more driver hell, just open it in a browser

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: Solaris? Hopefully the drivers exist or are easily obtainable... I think we all presumed you were running Linux...

[04:51:20]

jya:

J-e-f-f-A: oh, I will be :)

[04:51:30]

wagnerrp:

clever: ive got one of them

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jya:

nexenta: is ubuntu distro on top of solaris kernel

[04:51:40]

clever:

wagnerrp: is it as great as it sounds?

[04:51:48]

jya:

ultimately this go in a freebsd machine

[04:51:51]

wagnerrp:

its very nice

[04:51:55]

jya:

there's support for that card

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wagnerrp:

although the lower end areca cards have drivers that proxy a webpage through the chip onto the network normally

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: *whew* You had me worried there... ;-)

[04:52:26]

wagnerrp:

so its the same interface

[04:52:36]

clgshaft:

anyone using a ipad remote to contrl the frontend?

[04:52:41]

wagnerrp:

this just means i dont need to have the drivers working and OS running to access it

[04:52:56]

clever:

yeah, you can configure it before booting any os

[04:53:09]

wagnerrp:

you can do that anyway, at boot time

[04:53:10]

jya:

well, looks like this won't be running with solaris kernel.. ah well.. too bad

[04:53:20]

clever:

no fussing with a driver floppy/cd within the installer

[04:53:37]

wagnerrp:

driver floppy? cd? huh?

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clever:

i remember the windows installer always saying somethign about hit f7 to provide the raid drivers

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Beirdo:

do woodchucks chuck wood?

[04:54:21]

Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

clever: that only mattered if you were installing to the raid card

[04:54:43]

jya:

My sincere regards, My name is Daniel Wilson, from Sydney, Australia. I am sending you this email from the confines of my hospital room, I have been diagnosed to be suffering from Esophageal Cancer, to my greatest bewilderment; my doctor informed me that I have only a few months to live due to the spread of the cancer to other areas of my throat and upper chest. The news was so devastating to me, that I decided to stay within the confinement of my

[04:54:43]

jya:

hospital room and live out my last days on earth quietly. I asked that my hospital room be equipped with a laptop so that I can take care of some outstanding issues. One of which is my desire to donate a sizable amount of money to cancer research institutes and other deserving charity organizations. I wish that you receive the funds, and assist me in disbursing the funds to the above mentioned organizations.

[04:54:45]

clever:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

and besides, at least the stock freebsd kernel has support for my areca card

[04:55:00]

jya:

how dumb do you have to be to send spam, from a location I can actually check in a few minutes ?

[04:55:08]

Beirdo:

heh

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clever:

but eith ethernet, you can pre-configure before installing, or even booting the install cd

[04:55:36]

wagnerrp:

so what?

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wagnerrp:

i can hit F6 and configure it from the local terminal

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jya:

couldn't help it: Sorry to hear about your problems. I can come and visit you if you want, I don't live very far. Are you related with Mr Hussein S ? one of his son contacted me for a donation too...

[04:55:53]

clever:

no fussing with those drivers

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clever:

it just works

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jya:

clever: you would still need drivers or make the card appear like a very common sata driver interface

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clever:

of course

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wagnerrp:

every RAID card ive ever seen has allowed boot time configuration through the firmware

[04:57:19]

jya:

wagnerrp: yes.. that was the case with my 3ware 9500 card.

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wagnerrp:

having an ethernet connection for an alternate interface doesnt really change that

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jya:

but FreeBSD didn't recognise this card until FreeBSD 6

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bobgill:

Hmmm I rebooted backend and now only getting up to channel 13, have upto 28 normally (am in Canada and using analog w/pvr-150's)

[04:57:51]

wagnerrp:

i dont remember if i started using this on 5 or 6

[04:57:52]

clever:

wagnerrp: the firmware takes over like a mini OS/bios?

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elmojo:

jpabq: any idea what firmware version you are using? my hdpvr reports firmware 0.15

[04:58:04]

wagnerrp:

it was late 2006 i believe

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J-e-f-f-A:

bobgill: Your channel-frequency table is set to "Broadcast" instead of "Cable"

[04:58:43]

elmojo:

jpabq: and do you know if there is an hdpvr driver git repo that just includes all the latest just for the hdpvr?

[04:58:56]

Beirdo:

ah, my spare RAID cards: Adaptec ASR-2230SLP/256MB

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Beirdo:

elmojo: j-rod can likely point you rigt at it if he's around

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bobgill:

J-e-f-f-A: oh my bad, is that in mythtv-setup or can be done from frontend (recording ATM so don't want to stop BE)

[04:59:48]

Beirdo:

if you don't find it otherwise

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jpabq:

elmojo, I have 12 in one of them and 15 in the other.

[05:00:15]

jpabq:

I have not had to compile the driver myself in well over a year, so I don't know the best place to get it.

[05:00:28]

Beirdo:

I think mine's 0.15 as well

[05:00:31]

jpabq:

j-rod or janneg would be the best people to ask that.

[05:00:42]

Beirdo:

yup :)

[05:00:51]

elmojo:

I got a working driver from the v4l-dvb backport mercurial repo

[05:01:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

bobgill: I think it's in mythtv-setup IIRC – you might be able to get away with changing it without bringing down the backend – I don't know. ;-)

[05:01:18]

elmojo:

but I remember a bunch of improvement from some guy that got included which I'm pretty sure isn't included in the backports

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jpabq:

elmojo, Pretty sure the kernel I have does *NOT* have those improvements. While they are improvements, I have not had any problem with the "older" driver.

[05:02:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

Gee, I don't even know what version of the driver I'm running for my HD-PVRs... :-O

[05:03:00]

bobgill:

J-e-f-f-A: hehe ok will do it when recording done to be safe, thanks a bunch :]

[05:03:02]

elmojo:

jpabq, Beirdo: how do you guys store your module parameters?

[05:03:40]

jpabq:

I don't need any module params. Myth takes care of setting up the driver.

[05:03:50]

elmojo:

awesome!

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Beirdo:

normally, in /etc/modprobe.d/blah, but I don't think I needed any for the hd-pvr

[05:04:03]

jpabq:

If you want to use it outside of myth, then you might need to do something, though.

[05:04:05]

elmojo:

I might try to specify the video device node

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Beirdo:

I did put in a udev rule though

[05:04:23]

jpabq:

I do use udev rules, but that is because I have two of them.

[05:04:35]

elmojo:

just in case my other devices which register a video device node gets out-of-order in the future

[05:04:46]

Beirdo:

I do it to keep it from moving the hvr2250 around... similar

[05:05:01]

elmojo:

could you send me a copy?

[05:05:09]

Beirdo:

one sec

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J-e-f-f-A:

I use udev rules to name them consistently, as I have two.

[05:05:35]

Beirdo:

https://github.com/Beirdo/mythtvmeta/blob/mas . . . -video.rules

[05:06:03]

Beirdo:

you'd need to tweak at least the ATTRS{serial} of course

[05:06:42]

Beirdo:

then, I use /dev/video-hdpvr0 in mythtv-setup

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elmojo:

Beirdo, thanks

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Beirdo:

hasn't failed me yet :)

[05:07:02]

Beirdo:

I'm sure the others have similar incantations

[05:07:04]

Beirdo:

no prob

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elmojo:

I like the name video-hdpvr

[05:07:33]

elmojo:

much easier to distinguish than a random number

[05:07:35]

Beirdo:

makes it Sooo obvious

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jpabq:

Mine pretty much looks the same.

[05:07:53]

elmojo:

I figured you might use an SHA1 hash :)

[05:07:56]

Beirdo:

yeah. the video0 or whatever can change order, the symlink is always right

[05:07:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

my HD-PVR rules are simpler: KERNEL=="video[0–9]*", ATTRS{serial}=="00A3F16A", SYMLINK+="hdpvr0", GROUP="video"

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Beirdo:

hehe

[05:08:38]

Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, probably didn't need to so carefully specify, but I figured it can't hurt

[05:08:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

elmojo: What's your other tuner (the non- hd-pvr)

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Beirdo:

*just* in case some other thing uses the same serial # format

[05:09:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Yup. ;-)

[05:09:37]

elmojo:

yes, I got 3 ATSC tuners

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Beirdo:

I'd personally rather slightly overspecify to save myself pain later

[05:10:00]

Beirdo:

the HVR2250 was a bit harder to do

[05:10:30]

Beirdo:

but I can only have one in there, so it worked out fine :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Yep, just like it was a pain to get the rule for my PVR-250 right: KERNEL=="video[0–9]",ATTRS{vendor}=="0x4444",ATTRS{dev ice}=="0x0803",ATTRS{subsystem_vendor}=="0x0070",ATTRS{subsy stem_device}=="0x4801",SYMLINK+="pvr250",GROUP="video&q uot;

[05:12:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

No serial number... doh!

[05:12:08]

elmojo:

that symlink concept is awesome... thanks everyone for showing me that

[05:12:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

elmojo: and make sure you point myth to the symlink device. ;-)

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elmojo:

are any of you using a USB adapter card for your hdpvr connection?

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Beirdo:

heh

[05:14:09]

Beirdo:

I used to have PVR250 rules

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: At least with HDD's it's a little easier – by adding a label to the partition and changing the fstab to use the label name instead of the device name... ;-) I learned that one in a 'crash course'... ;-)

[05:14:21]

Beirdo:

but I moved em to another box

[05:15:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, I've got ONE analog tuner/encoder now, for my wife's SD IPTV based STB... Everything else is digital now. ;-)

[05:15:03]

Beirdo:

they are in my dev box, but they don't do anything, so I don't care which one is doing nothing :)

[05:15:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

well, at least HD. ;-) The HD-PVR's are technically Analog. ;-)

[05:15:38]

Beirdo:

I distinguished them by PCI slot in the end IIRC

[05:15:51]

elmojo:

Beirdo: which directv receiver do you have?

[05:15:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, that's what you have to do if you have the same model, etc. ;-)

[05:16:02]

Beirdo:

H24 I think. and 2 D12

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Beirdo:

I could go double-check precisely, but I think that's what the HD one is

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elmojo:

ok, I should be getting 2 H24's tomorrow morning

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Beirdo:

might have been H23

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Beirdo:

it works well with USB/serial channel changing

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RomioTango:

hey all

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elmojo:

do you use mythtv to record off of your 2 D12s?

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Beirdo:

occasionally seems to get itself wedged

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Beirdo:

yep

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elmojo:

"wedged"?

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Beirdo:

they are on the analog side of the HVR2250

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Beirdo:

yeah, it won't change channel sometimes. I haven't figured out the pattern, but a box reset fixes it

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Beirdo:

i.e. receiver reset

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elmojo:

how often?

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Beirdo:

maybe once every 5 weeks or so

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elmojo:

seemed like everything I read mentioned channel changing on directv was rock solid

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Beirdo:

it is QUITE good

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Beirdo:

and you can even ask it what channel its on

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elmojo:

jpabq: do you get "wedged" too?

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Beirdo:

which is how I see it not changing

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Beirdo:

so my script now tries, verifies... if it failed, it says "OK, change to the channel you are on... now change to the other channel" and verifies

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Beirdo:

if THAT fails, I reboot the receiver, and fail the channel change

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elmojo:

manually, or can the script do it?

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Beirdo:

in the script over the USB/serial

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Beirdo:

https://github.com/Beirdo/mythtvmeta/tree/master/scripts

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Beirdo:

the first two files in there... the directv.pl is the one linked from the wiki

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elmojo:

ah, so even though it fails you don't have to do anything?

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Beirdo:

and the first is my wrapper for it

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Beirdo:

yeah, it takes care of itself. the tuning fails, so myth reschedules or whatever

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elmojo:

so you miss the recording?

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Beirdo:

yeah, unfortunately

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Shadow__X:

is there a way for me to manually pull down the source from git then get osx-packager to compile

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Beirdo:

but it is quite rare that it fails like that

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RomioTango:

anyone here know how to un-mount --bind something?

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Beirdo:

and everything I have scheduled is on a lot, so it works pretty well

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[R]:

RomioTango: the same way you unmount anything

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Beirdo:

Shadow__X: not many of us have tried the osx-packager, but Nigel's workin on it pretty hard recently

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RomioTango:

[R].. thats what I assumed however it did not allow me to

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[R]:

RomioTango: "allow"?

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Beirdo:

unfortunately for us, Nigel's not an IRC user

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RomioTango:

well it did not work

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Shadow__X:

Beirdo: yeah i saw that he had made changes to it not that long ago

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RomioTango:

it ran w/o throwing an error however the file structure still acted bound

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elmojo:

Beirdo: do you use device type h20?

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[R]:

RomioTango: cat /proc/mounts

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Beirdo:

elmojo: poke around in that repo as you wish :) the udev rules, my wrapper scripts, etc are in there

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[R]:

RomioTango: is it there?

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Beirdo:

yes

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Beirdo:

heh, the only thing it doesn't show is the command lines :)

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Beirdo:

one sec

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elmojo:

that's a cool use of github to store stuff like that

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Beirdo:

yeah, it's great for that :)

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RomioTango:

[R] it was on a server .. i was just curious as to whether or not my idea of how it worked was correct

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RomioTango:

i suspect it may have something to do w/ permissions in ubuntu

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Beirdo:

usr/local/bin/change-channel-directv.pl directv1 D11

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Beirdo:

for the non HD

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Beirdo:

wrong one :)

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Beirdo:

/usr/local/bin/change-channel-directv.pl directv0 H20

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Beirdo:

there

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Beirdo:

that with the contents of the script plus the udev rules... :) pretty much cover it.

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Beirdo:

that's the setting for the channel changer script in mythtv-setup

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Beirdo:

first argument maps which USB/serial to go out. second one's the box type

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RomioTango:

[R] do you see any reason why one should not do the following: mount --bind /media/myth_raid/mythtv /var/lib/mythtv (/media/myth_raid is mounted to /dev/md1.. my raid5)

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Beirdo:

and then it adds the third, which is channel #

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[R]:

RomioTango: because it makes no sense?

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Beirdo:

RomioTango: any reason why one would do that?

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Beirdo:

elmojo: nice, so you'll soon have a source of mucho H.264 to test with too :)

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Beirdo:

cool.

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RomioTango:

[R] it makes perfect sense.. I have all of the same sub dirs within both mythtv master dirs .. the purpose is if it fails to mount /dev/md1 /media/myth_raid then it will not mount /media/myth_raid/mythtv /var/lib/mythtv

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[R]:

huh?

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RomioTango:

which will still allow the box to record stuff and just save it to the actual /var/lib/mythtv/recordings dir

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[R]:

right...

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[R]:

RomioTango: you can accomplish the same thing by putting mythtv in /media/myth_raid when its unmounted

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RomioTango:

it will allow my server to still record despite the fact that my raid failed so I still get "limited" use out of the system in terms of recent recordings and live tv

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[R]:

maybe you should just fix your broken raid...

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Beirdo:

you expect your raid to be borked that often?

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RomioTango:

yeah I suppose you're right ..

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[R]:

where is wagnerrp when you need him

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RomioTango:

no raids fine.. this is a contingency plan

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RomioTango:

more than anything its not even for my raid nor my box

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RomioTango:

i'm setting up a mythbuntu box for a friend who doesnt know linux

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RomioTango:

the only way i'll be able to work on the box is over ssh

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Beirdo:

I hope you like self-inflicted pain :)

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RomioTango:

I'd like to at least allow him the ability to have some minor functionality if the storage hdd dies

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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elmojo:

Beirdo: thanks, I like the directv udev rules too!

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RomioTango:

the hdd that he's using for storage is a 3.5 yr old 1tb WD

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[R]:

wagnerrp: using myth with raid

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Beirdo:

any time I've seen someone setup mythtv for others... they've regretted becoming the support guy.

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Shadow__X:

Beirdo: so should i just continue to patiently wait for nigel to do his magic? should i try to contact him or what should i do here

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RomioTango:

i don't see a whole lot of years left

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wagnerrp:

RomioTango: why not just add /media/myth_raid/mythtv to your recording storage group?

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wagnerrp:

why do you have to bind it to anything?

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Beirdo:

Shadow__X: dunno. He does email :)

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RomioTango:

wagnerrp, I don't ordinarily want to rely on /var/lib/mythtv on the local drive in case it dies first

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Beirdo:

elmojo: no prob. unfortunately I could only distinguish by the USB port number, etc... as the cables were identical :)

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RomioTango:

the way i stated if the storage drive dies the recordings will fall into the OS partition/drive and can be removed later

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RomioTango:

and the box continues to work

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Beirdo:

udevadm was my friend there... but I have to look up command line every time

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RomioTango:

then if the OS's hdd ever dies I'll just put a new one in and reload the latest DB

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RomioTango:

I'm having the computer dump the DB every night at 3am, overriding the second to last dump

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RomioTango:

and the DB dumps will be stored on the storage drive

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Beirdo:

elmojo: you can even see the background images I use with Arclight in that repo :)

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Beirdo:

it's an easy way to propagate to all of my machines, etc

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RomioTango:

I have kind of wondered how possible it would be to use a FE remotely.. well realistically you'd have a remote FE/BE that works essentially as a stand-alone system but using rsync to pull recordings and DB from the 'MASTER' BE

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RomioTango:

by remote i mean a 1–2hr drive distance wise

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wagnerrp:

RomioTango: will never be a supported manner of operation

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RomioTango:

i don't know what the transfer speed would be over residential ethernet

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wagnerrp:

1–2hr drive != residential ethernet

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RomioTango:

oh i know it'd never be supported but I could easily rig it up myself

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RomioTango:

lol i mean in terms of distance .. I'd be syncing my mythtv dir and DB with a BE/FE configuration at my buddies lake house

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[R]:

residential ethernet is different than "regular" ethernet?

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RomioTango:

[R], I'm use to our fiber lines at work ;)

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wagnerrp:

you mean internet?

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RomioTango:

yeah sorry lol

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RomioTango:

I just got home from work when i got on here .. give me a break

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RomioTango:

8am till 11:30pm .. fun day

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elmojo:

Beirdo: I found the wiki page on the udev stuff with the udevadm command

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Beirdo:

cool

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wagnerrp:

there have been a couple of us looking into a detachable frontend

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wagnerrp:

something where you could take your recordings with you on a laptop or otherwise, for trips

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: that would be sweet

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: that would be nice

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wagnerrp:

but a permanent, rsync'd, remote system? not a chance

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wagnerrp:

too many issues with copyright

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Beirdo:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

replaytv tried to do it a decade ago, and got shot down right quick

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Beirdo:

that's not timeshifting... that's... location shifting

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: Capt'M has been talking about it for years, actually had something half working at some point

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RomioTango:

wagnerrp, just have two operating systems installed /dev/sda1 could be normal FE only /dev/sda2 could be FE/BE and you could rsync /dev/sdb1 with your master BE's recordings dir

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RomioTango:

then have your /dev/sda2 BE look at /dev/sdb1 for the recordings

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: hadn't really thought of putting such a thing together. sounds like a cool idea though

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: basically, you would dump all your metadata to a xml file

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Beirdo:

wonder what video formats my nook color can play... :)

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RomioTango:

then just export your DB before vacation and presto

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wagnerrp:

and when you entered 'watch recordings', the frontend would pull anything from the database, as well as anything found with a matching XML file

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Beirdo:

doubt it will do HD recordings

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

I'll play with video on the nook color later. for now... I just got inspired to do some S3-based backups

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[R]:

i want a new toy :(

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wagnerrp:

how is the screen on that?

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** [R] smacks verizon... i can't wait till tomorrow! **

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wagnerrp:

i assume its just a standard LCD

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Beirdo:

pretty nice, actually. 7" full color

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Beirdo:

I like my toys

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wagnerrp:

no eink?

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Beirdo:

the Nexus One is a big win too

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RomioTango:

it'd be nice to be able to selectively export your recordings, create a DB only referencing the exported recordings

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Beirdo:

no, I bought the nook color

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[R]:

the eink in the regular nook freaks me out

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elmojo:

Beirdo: version 1.10 is available now -> http://www.pdp8.net/directv/directv.shtml

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Beirdo:

it's essentially an android tablet

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Beirdo:

oh?

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RomioTango:

then just throw all that over the network to the "mobile" fe/be

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Beirdo:

I'll have to check that out, thanks, elmojo :)

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RomioTango:

have any of you ever messed with raid configurations which span over networks?

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Beirdo:

another tab for chrome to keep for me until I get a chance to deal with it

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RomioTango:

particularly a home network

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elmojo:

Beirdo: sounded like a serious change

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Beirdo:

yeah, it does

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elmojo:

you on Fedora-ish system?

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Beirdo:

mine is working, but would be good to see what's fixed since, it might work even better

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Beirdo:

nope. Ubuntu 10.04.1

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elmojo:

me too

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Beirdo:

server

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wagnerrp:

there was some display tech a year or two ago that was supposed to blend eink and traditional LCD

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wagnerrp:

basically one overlayed on top of the other

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: that would be nice :)

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jpabq:

elmojo, Sorry just skimming what you and Beirdo have been saying, so you may have already noticed this, but --- for the USB channel change udev, note that it keys off of which USB port you have the adapter plugged into, so you will have to modify as appropriate.

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Beirdo:

aye

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wagnerrp:

so you could use it in full color LCD mode

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wagnerrp:

or turn it off and use the eink beneath

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wagnerrp:

i dont remember the name

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elmojo:

jpabq: yes, I've adapted all the scripts to my system specifics

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[R]:

wagnerrp: evil voodoo

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clever:

RomioTango: i think twice, i used nbd to piece a LVM array together over the lan

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Beirdo:

I used some cheap USB/serial cables from monoprice.. worked just great

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elmojo:

jpabq: do you have channel change failures like Beirdo described?

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah i remember that it was like qpi or something

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clever:

RomioTango: i was replacing 1 of 4 drives, so i had to make it a 5 drive array while pvmove did its job

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clever:

5 pata wont fit

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/video-pixe . . . at-computex/

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wagnerrp:

yeah, starts with a 'q', but i cant find it

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jpabq:

Very, very rarely, but it does happen. I also use a wrapper around the directv.pl to recover.

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clever:

RomioTango: but i wouldnt trust it long term

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Shadow__X:

pixel qi

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Beirdo:

elmojo: one thing to watch for when summer's here... make sure the hd-pvr gets some airflow around it.. they like to get a bit toasty, it seems.

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Shadow__X:

the link has a video

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wagnerrp:

"The first commercial device to use the screens will be the ARM-based Adam tablet by Notion Ink, scheduled for release mid-January 2011"

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Beirdo:

like enclosed in a cabinet with no airflow might end up being odd if it gets too warm :)

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elmojo:

jpabq: did you see the wrapper Beirdo uses?

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RomioTango:

clever, thats about what I figured.. :-\ I have a bunch of FE only boxes that have HDDs much greater than required simply for a mythtv OS .. want to figure out a way to use them

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wagnerrp:

apparently you can currently buy the screens and retrofit them onto existing laptops

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clever:

RomioTango: storage groups then

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jpabq:

elmojo, I did not. Mine is just a simple shell script. I will look at Beirdo's.

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clever:

RomioTango: posibly nfs mount each fe onto the backends, so the be can write to them

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah they had kits for netbooks for awhile

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elmojo:

jpabq: https://github.com/Beirdo/mythtvmeta/blob/mas . . . l-directv.pl

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Beirdo:

jpabq: you are welcome to it. :)

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elmojo:

jpabq: but you still lose the recording with your script?

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clever:

RomioTango: if one system shuts down or goes up in smoke, you dont loose the entire array

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Beirdo:

I didn't put any licensing on it, but open-source, don't care what license

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RomioTango:

clever, I was thinking in terms of for more than just myth-recordings storage.. general storage however that is a very interesting point...

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Beirdo:

should use WTF1.0

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clever:

RomioTango: use your bigest centralized drive for general storage, and then push any recordings in the way out to another system

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jpabq:

The only time I have lost a recording because the channel change failed, my H20 itself was wedged and I had to reboot *it*.

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RomioTango:

clever, you'd still lose the recordings held on the FE tho correct? I mean w/o raiding any of them...

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clever:

RomioTango: yeah, if it went up in smoke

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clever:

if its just shutdown, you can access them once you boot it back up and re-mount

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elmojo:

jpabq: could you provide you script, please?

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: if only they offered better resolution than 1024x600

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wagnerrp:

microlaptops arent my thing

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RomioTango:

clever, yeah.. I still want to visit this idea of raid over ethernet tho

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wagnerrp:

raid... over... ethernet?

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elmojo:

jpabq: do you think Mark S. saw my ticket update for the smooth sync code?

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Beirdo:

okolsi: ping

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wagnerrp:

you can always use iscsi or ataoe to tie together multiple drives

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jpabq:

pastbin is giving me problems.

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wagnerrp:

but that just seems horribly dangerous

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RomioTango:

say I have 4 FE's all w/ 105g hdd's (odd # but for demo purpose..).. I could build a 5 gig partition for OS and then use the remaining 100g for ethernet raid

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jpabq:

elmojo, I saw it, so I assume he did (or will).

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wagnerrp:

why not just stick all 4 drives into one machine, and netboot

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RomioTango:

If I could build raid5 over ethernet then I could have 300g writable space and still have the ability to drop a drive

[05:59:05]

elmojo:

Beirdo: have you tried the http channel change control?

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Beirdo:

nope

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RomioTango:

wagnerrp, thats an option also... I'm more of just learning what options are available to me

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elmojo:

I've head it's only for the DVR models but dunno for sure

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Beirdo:

I poked around on it a bit, but that's all so far

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wagnerrp:

do RAID10, share the boot disk over NFS or iSCSI

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Beirdo:

I can get to the receiver, non DVR

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RomioTango:

most likely I'll be doing netbooting for all FE only boxes

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wagnerrp:

ive got all my frontends booting off a custom initrd and iscsi

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah, i gave the whole netbook thing a run but i quickly realized its too small,too slow, and all around i was better off getting a 13inch laptop

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Beirdo:

but with the serial there, I didn't have it high on my list to redo it again

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clever:

wagnerrp: thats how my fe's and master backend wound up sharing a root:P

[06:00:24]

RomioTango:

crap its late.. i have to get back in the office in 5–6hrs

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jpabq:

elmojo, http://pastebin.com/gaTczgR3 much simpler (and dumber) than Beirdo's, but it works for me.

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Beirdo:

it did let me poke around in the server though. The things run Linux, BTW

[06:00:49]

wagnerrp:

RomioTango: i have individual disk images for each machine shared over iscsi, but theyre COW cloned off a single base image

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Beirdo:

I think kormoc has a similar script too :)

[06:01:20]

wagnerrp:

i update the base image, clone it onto the boot images for the individual machines

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RomioTango:

wagnerrp, I like that idea.. I may have to discuss that further with you next time we're both on

[06:01:43]

jpabq:

elmojo, I actually use a separate shell script for each of my HD-PVRs. Like I said, stupid, brute force way of doing it.

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wagnerrp:

when the machines boot up on a fresh image, they automatically pull a configuration overlay over NFS to differentiate them from the rest

[06:01:53]

wagnerrp:

and reboot

[06:01:53]

RomioTango:

that's a pretty slick way of doing it

[06:01:53]

Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: how do you go about making the base image

[06:01:55]

clever:

wagnerrp: i could do some similar stuff with my gentoo usb sticks

[06:02:05]

clever:

right now, its a squashfs image with tmpfs for rw

[06:02:15]

wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: its just a basic gentoo install

[06:02:19]

wagnerrp:

fully bootable

[06:02:19]

elmojo:

Beirdo: looking at the old thread here -> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . http;#457380 they are using just receivers

[06:02:19]

clever:

but i could share the squashfs between every system, and then have unique nfs mounts for r/w

[06:02:22]

wagnerrp:

with a generic name

[06:02:24]

Beirdo:

interesting. you do get_signal... never played on that one

[06:02:41]

wagnerrp:

minimal services running on boot

[06:02:45]

RomioTango:

well guys, as always, thanks for the great ideas

[06:02:55]

Beirdo:

elmojo: yeah. I think someone said that it stopped working for them too, so YMMV

[06:03:16]

RomioTango:

c ya – thanks for the help

[06:03:17]

clever:

wagnerrp: does iSCSI use udp or tcp?

[06:03:20]

jpabq:

elmojo, I tried it with my H21 and it did not work. Maybe your H2[34] will work.

[06:03:31]

wagnerrp:

when it boots up, it pulls the overlay, which contains home directories, config files in /etc/conf.d, init symlinks in /etc/runlevels

[06:03:39]

wagnerrp:

anything i need to differentiate it from the other machines

[06:03:46]

wagnerrp:

generally only a few MB

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Beirdo:

if it's stable, using the HTTP method would likely be the fastest.

[06:04:09]

wagnerrp:

clever: TCP

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clever:

wagnerrp: how well does it handle reconnect when a server goes down?

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wagnerrp:

about as well as NFS

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clever:

that varries greatly within my house

[06:04:55]

Shadow__X:

it has to use tcp for reliability i would think

[06:05:00]

wagnerrp:

it will hang on first access

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clever:

some nfs mounts need to be completely reset at client and server

[06:05:08]

clever:

others dont even notice it

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wagnerrp:

but will recover as soon as the server comes back up and it reconnects

[06:05:17]

clever:

ah, good

[06:05:36]

clever:

and i'm guessing i can serve a regular file over iSCSI?

[06:05:47]

wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: it has to use tcp for /easy/ reliability

[06:05:58]

wagnerrp:

if you want higher performance, you use UDP and handle error recovery on your own

[06:06:04]

Beirdo:

jpabq: hmmm, I guess I could try the exit / ch_up in my script before rebooting too

[06:06:04]

wagnerrp:

like how NFS does it

[06:06:17]

wagnerrp:

clever: no, you serve a disk

[06:06:32]

jpabq:

elmojo, remember to set the directv receiver to output Dolby Digital, if you want to record that via optical.

[06:06:34]

clever:

wagnerrp: ah, would an LVM 'partition' be close enough?

[06:06:37]

wagnerrp:

be it a real physical disk, a real physical partition, or a binary file on your filesystem

[06:06:38]

Beirdo:

always good to see what works for others :)

[06:06:50]

wagnerrp:

and iscsi maps it to a virtual disk in dev

[06:06:56]

wagnerrp:

which you can partition and mount as needed

[06:07:01]

clever:

i was thinking a squashfs image

[06:07:18]

elmojo:

jpabq: good to know because I had to get a coax->optical spdif converted since the new H24 only have coax output :(

[06:07:23]

clever:

would only be a minor change to my existing setup if i did that

[06:07:30]

Beirdo:

yeah, as I posted on the "my hdpvr gives no audio" thread on -users ML, I get AC3 for 5.1 content and AAC for stereo when using the optical for audio

[06:07:34]

elmojo:

just more stupid cables and power adapters to use

[06:07:46]

Beirdo:

elmojo: ewwww.

[06:07:54]

Beirdo:

mine's optical

[06:08:07]

elmojo:

yes the H24 I think is the first without it

[06:08:16]

elmojo:

gotta save that nickel

[06:08:16]

Beirdo:

mine must be H23 then :)

[06:08:21]

Beirdo:

yeah, lame

[06:08:33]

jpabq:

After all that, the Directv guy will probably show up with a H23 ;-)

[06:08:35]

elmojo:

I might just do 2 channel all the time

[06:08:40]

elmojo:

hehe

[06:08:42]

Beirdo:

heh

[06:08:43]

wagnerrp:

you could use squashfs and union overlays

[06:08:54]

wagnerrp:

but IMHO, thats just overcomplicating things

[06:09:03]

wagnerrp:

i just have... the boot disk

[06:09:11]

wagnerrp:

each machine gets it own boot disk

[06:09:18]

Beirdo:

well, if you hook up the spdif one way or the other, don't be surprised if you get various formats depending on source format

[06:09:18]

wagnerrp:

and they have full read/write authority over it

[06:09:37]

jpabq:

elmojo, assuming you have a "surround sound" system, the 5.1 is nice (on most channels).

[06:09:47]

Beirdo:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

aside from adjusting the init scripts so ethernet and iscsi remain up during shutdown, its basically a stock system

[06:09:58]

elmojo:

yes, I have a decent setup

[06:10:30]

jpabq:

elmojo, are you using OTA for the locals?

[06:10:41]

elmojo:

the optical spdif cable I used didn't insert very well into the hdpvr... seemed a bit loose

[06:10:43]

wagnerrp:

and since its a COW image

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elmojo:

yes, OTA for locals

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clever:

wagnerrp: ive got similar problems with my gentoo, its trying to un-mount things that dont exist, because they are in the original root

[06:10:53]

elmojo:

3 ATSC tuners

[06:11:02]

clever:

wagnerrp: it always asks for the root pw or ctrl+d

[06:11:04]

wagnerrp:

i can snapshot it to do changes, revert a corrupt filesystem, anything

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Beirdo:

you'll be set :)

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elmojo:

almost wished I was getting only one receiver

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jpabq:

elmojo, the optical should "click" into place.

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wagnerrp:

youre supposed to unmount everything before you pivot

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elmojo:

it does but it comes out very easily

[06:12:04]

clever:

wagnerrp: including the tmpfs that holds the root image?

[06:12:19]

clever:

wagnerrp: i cant exactly umount something when it has a file open by a loopback device

[06:12:20]

elmojo:

seems the connector maybe a little smallish or something

[06:12:24]

clever:

umount -l?

[06:12:38]

wagnerrp:

you keep the virtual root, and the new disk that you are mounting to

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jpabq:

elmojo, both of mine lock pretty well.

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wagnerrp:

but anything other than those two disks, you unmount

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wagnerrp:

stuff like procfs, and such

[06:13:03]

elmojo:

I'll get another cable then to test

[06:13:17]

clever:

wagnerrp: the root image is held in a tmpfs at /root_ro, the r/w is a tmpfs at /root_rw, the new root (aufs2'd) is at /newroot

[06:13:30]

jpabq:

elmojo, I assumed you noticed that the optical jack you want to use is *not* the one right next to the component inputs.

[06:13:31]

wagnerrp:

so the three disks i suppose

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clever:

wagnerrp: it tries multiple times to unmount /root_ro, and fails because the directory doesnt even exist

[06:14:06]

clever:

then it tries to mount it ro, and fails:P

[06:14:17]

clever:

then it asks for root pw to let me recover

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Beirdo:

jpabq: that's optical out? I don't recall

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wagnerrp:

when you pivot, it should wipe all information of that old system

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jpabq:

Beirdo, correct. The output is closest to the component connectors.

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wagnerrp:

which is why you must unmount everything such that it doesnt get leaked

[06:14:59]

elmojo:

jpabq: yes, why do you ask?

[06:15:02]

Beirdo:

I never quite get why it had an output on it :)

[06:15:22]

wagnerrp:

when you shutdown, the kernel should have no knowledge of those system paths

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clever:

wagnerrp: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/910504

[06:15:33]

jpabq:

elmojo, just because it didn't make sense to me — so I could see making that mistake.

[06:15:53]

clever:

wagnerrp: line 2 i think is the initrd leaking thru, its always been there

[06:16:09]

elmojo:

jpabq: I actually read the labels this time :)

[06:16:18]

clever:

wagnerrp: line 4 is an artifact from aufs2, the mount point shows up twice

[06:16:43]

clever:

wagnerrp: line 6 is the same root as line 4

[06:17:01]

elmojo:

jpabq: any other special config that is worth doing... like timeouts in the config?

[06:17:05]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i dont have any of that

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wagnerrp:

i get rootfs from the initrd

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clever:

lines 7 and 8 expose the ro (without anything else like dev/proc) so i can tar it back up

[06:17:22]

clever:

root*

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wagnerrp:

but /dev/sdc2 (iscsi partition) is also mapped to /, and only /

[06:17:41]

clever:

wagnerrp: remember, i have no actual root disk

[06:18:20]

wagnerrp:

you load it all into memory, and run off the memory disk right?

[06:18:24]

clever:

yeah

[06:18:35]

clever:

it originaly used /dev/ram0 for the squashfs, but that cant swap

[06:18:44]

wagnerrp:

meaning in your initrd, you create a memory disk, mount it

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clever:

on this system, id be loosing 95% of the ram

[06:18:53]

wagnerrp:

mount the squashfs disk, copy it onto the memory disk

[06:19:03]

clever:

i mount a tmpfs at /root_ro, then i copy the entire root.sqfs file into that

[06:19:04]

wagnerrp:

unmount the squashfs, and pivot onto the memory disk?

[06:19:08]

clever:

then i mount -o loop root.sqfs

[06:19:21]

jpabq:

elmojo, you saw that I still use a 1 second sleep at the end of the channel change wrapper. Technically that should not be necessary anymore, but it is a "safety blanket". Iff you use LiveTV, you may want to adjust the channel change timeout in the device config (in mythtv-setup), but that has no effect on recordins.

[06:19:25]

clever:

i leave the squashfs squashed

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wagnerrp:

the only thing that should be mounted when you pivot is that memory disk

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clever:

if i didnt, my memory usage would probly double, causing OOM since i dont have swap so early

[06:20:06]

wagnerrp:

i dont know why you have aufs or squashfs active once you pivot

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Beirdo:

I think I used half-second timeout after, but pretty similar

[06:20:25]

clever:

i never bothered to look at how to activate aufs2 'propery' from the init.d scripts

[06:20:32]

wagnerrp:

oh, youre saying it is the root

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clever:

it just felt more natural to do aufs2 from the initrd

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wagnerrp:

and the memory disk is only the read/write bit?

[06:21:03]

clever:

its using aufs2 to make the read only root.sqfs read/write

[06:21:07]

wagnerrp:

cant you do aufs from a disk device?

[06:21:19]

clever:

so when i pivot_root, my target root is already writeable

[06:21:52]

clever:

dont know where in the init.d scripts id have aufs kick in and r/w the root

[06:22:02]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i think you should be altering things so the memory disk and aufs are managed after you pivot

[06:22:26]

wagnerrp:

but even then, you still have tear down problems

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clever:

since its memory based, there is no real need to shutdown cleanly

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clever:

i could just disconnect from nfs and halt right there

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clever:

once the shutdown process is done closing things properly (on the tmpfs)

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clever:

it will just get lost

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wagnerrp:

a couple years ago when i was originally setting this up

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wagnerrp:

i tried using aufs, and a pair of iscsi disks

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wagnerrp:

one for root, and one for persistent overlay

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clever:

yeah, i was thinking i could modify my system to do that

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wagnerrp:

but it became readily apparent it just wasnt worth the effort

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clever:

what kind of problems did you have?

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wagnerrp:

use one disk, ten minutes to set up a script to pull an overlay off the server when you boot, and done

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wagnerrp:

it was just too much hassle managing multiple disks

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clever:

i think i would rather just use nfs for the r/w portion

[06:25:36]

wagnerrp:

when i can very cheaply just give everything their own image, why bother

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wagnerrp:

i dont mind the double-boot whenever im updating

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wagnerrp:

and it just ends up being much cleaner and easier to manage

[06:26:20]

wagnerrp:

fewer things to go wrong

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clever:

one of my more exotic initrd tests, was loading the b43 wifi drivers (firmare and all)

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clever:

and then pulling the root image off the network

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clever:

just loading the firmware was hard enough, had to figure out the api between the kernel and udev and fill in the gaps

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clever:

wagnerrp: the init script, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/910516

[06:28:57]

clever:

the udev wraper thing, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/910517

[06:29:25]

clever:

firmware.sh came from udev

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wagnerrp:

i ended up having to stuff mine on a repeating loop

[06:30:10]

clever:

its relatively simple once you figure it all out, the hotplug script is ran by the kernel for every event (insert AND REMOVE), test a few variables and see what it wants

[06:30:28]

wagnerrp:

for some reason, i never got the dhcp pull from PXE to persist, so i had to run it again in the initrd

[06:30:47]

jya:

J-e-f-f-A: that stupid card, I have two SATA controller on board: the intel ICH10R and this gigabyte one. If the rocketraid card is in one of the PCIe slot, PC refuses to start from my boot drive. It would list theboot drive as if it was a USB disk. Changing the gigabyte controller from AHCI to IDE ; all good.. very weird

[06:30:49]

wagnerrp:

and on some of my systems, it takes considerable time before the network card starts functioning

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clever:

wagnerrp: i had some problems in that area too, due to my switch

[06:31:11]

clever:

the switch had spanning tree protocol enabled

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clever:

basicaly, it spams broadcast packets and will co-operate with other STP switches to find loops in the network that should be a perfect tree

[06:31:47]

clever:

then disable the extra links

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clever:

when an ethernet link first comes up, it leaves it half-disabled, and listens for STP packets

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clever:

incase i caused a feedback loop

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wagnerrp:

these are dumb netgear switches, nothing of the sort

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clever:

some laptops, the PXE would wait long enough that it worked

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clever:

other laptops, would fail 100%, then down the link, causing the whole cycle to repeat

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wagnerrp:

PXE works just fine, this is a linux driver issue

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wagnerrp:

and getting the image to support local disks, that was a PITA

[06:34:08]

wagnerrp:

having to fiddle with the bourne text processing to pull the disk node out of dmesg

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clever:

i didnt want to deal with finding the usb stick amung 3–4 ide/pata drives

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clever:

so i made ide a module and usb built-in

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clever:

forces usb to always be sda

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clever:

and means i have no chance of swap before pivot_root

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wagnerrp:

solutions that require swap during the initrd cannot be considered sane

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clever:

on one or 2 ocassions, my root image went above 512mb

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clever:

with 512mb ram, it just cant posibly boot

[06:36:03]

clever:

its so hosed i cant even delete root.sqfs and free the ram up

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clever:

rm fails, not enough ram:P

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clever:

and it looks like the gentoo build of 23-fixes is done

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clever:

once the ubuntu build is done, i could switch over

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Beirdo:

okolsi: you there?

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hashbang:

morning all

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k-man:

which component plays dvds in .24? whichever it is, it crashes a lot for me

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k-man:

morning hashbang

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hashbang:

k-man: MythDVD isn't it? Got the decss libs installed?

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hashbang:

FYI, further to my question yesterday, it looks like the GT240 can't output <31KHz VGA. Swapped in a 7600GT with the same Xorg, driver, xorg.conf and VGA-to-SCART adapter and it JFWed.

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hashbang:

(and yes, I've updated the MythTV SCART wiki)

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mattwj2002:

hey guys

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mattwj2002:

well I ordered a 2 TB hard drive

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zoran119:

here are a couple of new errors...

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zoran119:

ProgramInfo(1008_20110106232900.mpg), Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1008_20110106232900.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found.

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zoran119:

and

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zoran119:

Error deleting 'GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/mythbox/1008_20110106232900.mpg': No such file or directory

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zoran119:

can anyone shine some light on these?

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wagnerrp:

need backend logs

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zoran119:

wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/FZ1gqhf9

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zoran119:

wagnerrp: these errors are at the bottom

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wagnerrp:

is this an analog or digital card?

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zoran119:

digital

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zoran119:

leadtek 2000ds

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mattwj2002:

who the heck would use analog anymore?

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mattwj2002:

:)

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wagnerrp:

my guess some sort of tuning failure resulting in no recording

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zoran119:

i start a recording and mythweb shows that there is a recording happening but the file size i just 'B'

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zoran119:

not even 0B

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wagnerrp:

right, no file at all

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zoran119:

watching live tv works fine

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zoran119:

does anyone know how to delete input connections in 0.24

[13:03:30]

wagnerrp:

you cant just set it to none?

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zoran119:

mythtv-setup doesn't show a delete button, 'm' key doesn't work, 'd' key doesn't work...

[13:04:17]

zoran119:

but how do i then add a new one?

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zoran119:

there are no buttons on that screen at all

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wagnerrp:

you cant add or delete them, because you have no control over them

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wagnerrp:

they are defined by the card and driver

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wagnerrp:

they enumerate the interfaces exposed through the relavent API

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zoran119:

ok... i thought i did that manualy in 0.23

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zoran119:

i must be confused

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wagnerrp:

maybe 'input connections' is not what you are thinking of

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wagnerrp:

section 4 in mythtv-setup?

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zoran119:

yeah... i must be thinking of the wrong thing...

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zoran119:

someone on the net said that recreating the video sources might fix the issue i am having

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zoran119:

might try that

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zoran119:

it's a bit strange that live tv works but recordings don't...

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wagnerrp:

i would advise against redoing video sources

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wagnerrp:

no recordings work?

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zoran119:

no

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zoran119:

only if i press 'r' while watching it live

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wagnerrp:

do you have a separate livetv recording group?

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zoran119:

then it's all working

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zoran119:

yes

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wagnerrp:

file permissions on the 'Default' group then

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zoran119:

i have changed the directory to 777! and still trouble

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wagnerrp:

is it a local drive?

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wagnerrp:

have you actually made sure its writable?

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wagnerrp:

(try writing to it manually)

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zoran119:

yes, i can

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wagnerrp:

do you have more than one folder defined for the Default group?

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zoran119:

no, just one

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zoran119:

some for the group called 'Store'

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zoran119:

'Default' points to /mnt/myth/mythtv/default

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wagnerrp:

are scheduled recordings told to use the group Store?

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zoran119:

which is 777 as well as owner by the user running the frontend

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zoran119:

no, they are set to use Default

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wagnerrp:

all storage should be owned by the user running the backend

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zoran119:

i just scheduled one to record to the LiveTV storage group and that failed as well...

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zoran119:

backend is run by root

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zoran119:

should /etc/mythtv/config.xml be empty?

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wagnerrp:

seems dell is having a sale on IPS monitors if anyone is interested

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zoran119:

i'm lost...

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zoran119:

doesn't seem to like me

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Saviq:

hmm anyone experienced issues with ffwd / rev / skipping in LiveTV in fixes/0.24 ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

What's "LiveTV"??? ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Saviq: I don't use it, so I couldn't tell you... LiveTV is so "80's"...

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wagnerrp:

like music on MTV?

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J-e-f-f-A:

*exactly* ;-)

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sid3windr:

I want my.. I want my.. I want my MTV!

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J-e-f-f-A:

There was a reason they named the channel "Music TeleVision" after all... hehehehe...

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wagnerrp:

because... they play surreality tv shows?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, they should re-name it RTV for "Reality TV" – Oh, wait, can't do that – RTV is already taken by the properly-named "Retro TV" ;-)

[14:33:16]

JEDIDIAH__:

Name it PopTV for pop culture.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Or JTV – "Junk TV" ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hehehehehehehehehehehehehe...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Although, that's probably already taken by a religious channel...

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Saviq:

J-e-f-f-A: well, I don't use it much, either, but there are times I do, and when I want to skip commercials I'm skipping 8 mins back or something...

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** J-e-f-f-A still thinks it should be renamed to "Tuner Test Mode" ;-) **

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Saviq:

ok then another issue – any experiences with broken (underruns) SPDIF output on a EMU10K1 (creative live etc.)?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Saviq: And I'm not @ home to even 'test' it-- it doesn't work well with an NX session. (think VNC) ;-)

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Saviq:

I know what NX is

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Saviq:

[spdif] it was fine with an Intel HDA on the exact same system, but on Live! I can only use analog output :/

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J-e-f-f-A:

Saviq: Sorry, I haven't crossed that bridge yet. I just recently switched from Computer LCD monitors to HDTVs. ;-)

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Saviq:

I wonder if I didn't check some option in the kernel or something :/

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J-e-f-f-A:

Saviq: Humm... I dunno, unfortunately – best person to answer that question would probably be jya ;-)

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jya:

J-e-f-f-A: that raid card is is piece of crap... Twice it crashed in the middle, and it starts producing that very high pitch noise..

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jya:

Saviq: is this for all content, or just some ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: Yikes. That's not good... So it sounded it's 'alarm', thinking a drive failed? Not good.

[14:55:18]

jya:

Saviq: the CreaticeLive only supports 48kHz spdif, but reports other rates too. So in the advanced audio settings, check the 48k only box

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jya:

J-e-f-f-A: not sure if it's the freebsd driver or not.. but I had a massive pain to get it to work

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jya:

it only worked in slot 3 and is particular about all the other cards

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jya:

otherwise it won't boot

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jya:

I reflashed the bios, the firmware on the card etc..

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: Ouch. Sorry man – I had no idea it was going to give you so much grief.

[14:56:25]

jya:

nothing better

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jya:

the OCZ card is seen immediately by freeBSD

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jya:

but if the hightech card is in, I must put the OCZ card in the last PCIe x8 slot

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wagnerrp:

what card is bad?

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jya:

otherwise PC doesn't start

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jya:

wagnerrp: the rocketraid... either it's my mother board or it's that card

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: That might be a case of shared bandwidth on the PCIe slots, no?

[14:57:43]

jya:

but damn, I've been on it since we last talk

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jya:

it's 2AM now

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J-e-f-f-A:

ouch.

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jya:

at least looking for a usb key to reflash the firmware of that card, I found my passeport

[14:58:21]

jya:

which is good cause I'm flying in a few hours

[14:58:29]

jya:

been looking for it for 3 days

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wagnerrp:

CES?

[14:58:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

I hope you can catch some zz's on the plane!

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jya:

J-e-f-f-A: I'm like a chicken, I close my eye: I sleep

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** J-e-f-f-A forgot about CES... If that's where jya is going, I'm jealous!!!! ;-) **

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jya:

the reason why I never bother getting a business class ticket, I would sleep 24 hours straight anyway

[14:59:36]

jya:

J-e-f-f-A: nah... going to work at a client for 2 weeks

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jya:

J-e-f-f-A: At first I thought my power supply wasn't big enough, this PC has 16 drives now + OCZ + intel X-25

[15:00:41]

jya:

that wasn't that

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J-e-f-f-A:

Well, bring a jacket – it's probably much colder. ;-) Here in the Northeast US, it's only going to hit a HIGH of 32F today (0c) ;-)

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jya:

we had 28 degres today... quite nice (celcius that is)

[15:01:46]

wagnerrp:

that many drives, you might have problems as high as 600–700W

[15:02:35]

jya:

It's a 580W power supply

[15:02:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

... And it may only exibit the issue at boot time, when all the drives attempt to spin up at once... (Unless you're using SCSI drives, in which case their startup is probably staggered by the controller(s))

[15:02:52]

jya:

and all the drives are "green" RE3 (raid edition)

[15:03:31]

wagnerrp:

ive got a 650W in my MBE, and ive got to manually stagger startup through my hotswap caddy

[15:03:37]

jya:

but I know it's not the power supply, cause I took the power supply of another PC to power 6 drives

[15:03:40]

jya:

same shit happened

[15:04:07]

wagnerrp:

with only 13 drives currently

[15:04:20]

wagnerrp:

but theyre mostly 7200rpm, so it might be higher draw overall

[15:04:50]

wagnerrp:

i tried flipping the PUIS jumpers for the drives that supported it, and all that resulted in was nothing being detected by the RAID card

[15:05:41]

jya:

I'm now resigned that this card is crap :)

[15:05:50]

jya:

but damn, that is a loud card

[15:06:09]

jya:

when it starts crashing, it emits a high pitch noise

[15:06:19]

jya:

then I see some error about IRQ storm something

[15:06:32]

jya:

then I get a message on the console that the card has disappeared

[15:06:34]

wagnerrp:

what did you expect, its a softraid card

[15:06:35]

jya:

and then it screams

[15:06:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

jya: that's the Piezo alarm – supposed to warn you of a failing/failed hard drive.

[15:06:47]

wagnerrp:

theyre all junk

[15:06:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

IRQ storm? Sounds like a driver issue.

[15:06:53]

jya:

wagnerrp: I'm only using it as a sata controller

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wagnerrp:

i had an old promise PATA card that i could never get working

[15:07:45]

wagnerrp:

every few days, it would drop drives from the array

[15:08:02]

wagnerrp:

with loud beeping

[15:08:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

I haven't had any problems with my 'fakeraid' 2300, but it's only a 4-port SATA II controller...

[15:08:04]

jya:

wagnerrp: that card is listed as a real raid card.. it's a jmicron controller

[15:08:22]

wagnerrp:

jya: with local memory and all?

[15:08:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

... and I have 4 drives on it (well, 3 right now)

[15:08:45]

wagnerrp:

didnt know rocketraid made any 'real' raid cards

[15:09:13]

jya:

it's this one

[15:09:13]

jya:

http://www.highpoint-tech.com/USA_new/series_rr272x.htm

[15:09:23]

wagnerrp:

ended up selling the thing and all the drives off, and switching over to sata drives and my areca card

[15:09:39]

jya:

I'd like one of those LSI card

[15:09:49]

jya:

but it's either not enough ports (just 1 SAS)

[15:09:56]

jya:

or way too many for my need (8)

[15:10:26]

jya:

why do they advertise LSI that a card with 8 SAS channel, can do up to 200+ SAS/SATA drive

[15:10:31]

jya:

how do they connect it ?

[15:10:37]

wagnerrp:

with port expanders

[15:10:48]

wagnerrp:

one channel into five

[15:10:54]

wagnerrp:

and you can do three levels of that

[15:11:03]

wagnerrp:

so 125 devices per host channel

[15:11:14]

jya:

ah, so the bw is all shared.. good for backup solution I guess

[15:11:20]

wagnerrp:

yeah

[15:12:13]

wagnerrp:

there was some article a while back about some archival company custom building 'thumper-like' machines with 45 hard drives for $8k each

[15:12:34]

jya:

oh, while searching for that card... I found those photos

[15:12:43]

jya:

some people have too much time and money on their hands ..

[15:12:46]

wagnerrp:

the Sun boxes actually had a dedicated channel for each drive, using a crapload of marvell controllers

[15:13:30]

wagnerrp:

these were done using just 9 channels, with expansion backplanes

[15:15:02]

jya:

ah here it is

[15:15:03]

jya:

:)

[15:15:04]

jya:

http://www.maxishine.com.au/forums/viewtopic. . . . &t=11290

[15:15:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

jya: so did you get it to stabilize by moving it to that slot?

[15:15:38]

jya:

J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, it's the only way my PC will boot.

[15:16:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

And no more 'random' crashes with "irq storm" errors?

[15:16:36]

jya:

PCIe 8x: OCZ, PCIe 16x: rocketraid, PCIe 16x: nvidia card , PCIe 4x: empty, PCIe 1x empty

[15:16:37]

wagnerrp:

what am i looking for?

[15:16:37]

jya:

oh no

[15:16:41]

jya:

I haven't fixed that

[15:16:52]

jya:

I've just removed the card from the PC for the time being

[15:16:56]

wagnerrp:

other than a crapload of fans

[15:17:03]

jya:

and use a 2nd PC to do my backup , over gigabit

[15:17:06]

jya:

it's taking forever

[15:17:21]

jya:

wagnerrp: a crapload of fan :)

[15:17:41]

jya:

but the guy has: 12x Bitspower G1/4 True Silver Compression Fitting CC5

[15:17:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: 'crapload' is an understatement... WT*?????

[15:18:10]

wagnerrp:

this is the one i was thinking of... http://itfanat.com/images2/how-to-create-a-pe . . . ousand-2.jpg

[15:18:30]

wagnerrp:

3x3 array of backplanes on the bottom of the case

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jya:

J-e-f-f-A: if the raid card is in a PCIe slot, then the OCZ card must be in the PCIe 8x slot, otherwise, I get a black screen with a cursor blinking when I turn the PC on and after seeing the various RAID bios utility

[15:18:40]

wagnerrp:

with hard drives mounted vertically

[15:18:58]

wagnerrp:

very similar, but more crude, than the X4500s (thumpers)

[15:19:32]

jya:

if I load the RAID card, then the onboard SATA, *must* be in IDE mode and not AHCI

[15:19:37]

jya:

otherwise it can't boot

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jya:

that thing is so weird, I've tried every combination of ports and bios setup

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: Strange.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: That's insane... and "CUSTOM BUILT CASE $758" — Yikes- I think that's a bit steep – $758 for a few pounds of sheet metal and 6 fans? yikes.

[15:23:07]

wagnerrp:

and all of those rods welded in?

[15:23:21]

wagnerrp:

(the ones that hold the hard drives in place)

[15:23:43]

BLZbubba:

is there a command line way to convert a transport stream to a ps?

[15:23:43]

wagnerrp:

the metal, stamping, and folding of the case is relatively cheap

[15:23:55]

wagnerrp:

its that crap in the front to hold the drives that is costly

[15:24:19]

BLZbubba:

there used to be a program called ts2ps but it seems to be gone these days

[15:25:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/10/12/user-bui . . . storage-pod/

[15:26:39]

wagnerrp:

using NTFS???

[15:27:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

Apparently Winders 2008, so probably... doh!

[15:28:03]

wagnerrp:

he also stuck with single processor and PCI (not e/X) controller cards

[15:28:23]

wagnerrp:

so he can manage a whole whopping 133MB/s off that ENTIRE ARRAY

[15:28:40]

wagnerrp:

a single hard drive can saturate a PCI bus

[15:28:42]

wagnerrp:

christ

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Hehehe.. I didn't say he was *smart*... ;-)

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jya:

J-e-f-f-A: 6 fans? you mean .. at least 16 from what I can see in this photo

[15:29:49]

wagnerrp:

there he goes, calling Linux an OS

[15:29:58]

jya:

ah sorry, different case

[15:30:52]

jya:

wagnerrp: in real life, those multiplier, how do they behave speed-wise?

[15:31:11]

wagnerrp:

'with all 16 movies playing/streaming, i used just over 100mb/sec of bandwidth on my network'

[15:31:26]

wagnerrp:

rather low bitrate movies

[15:31:45]

wagnerrp:

thats average to low even for DVDs

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wagnerrp:

jya: dont know, never actually used one

[15:32:07]

jya:

that's a lot of drives for sure...

[15:32:23]

wagnerrp:

surely with a system like that, hes got no use for transcoding to a lower bitrate

[15:32:32]

jya:

wagnerrp: I'm guessing you wouldn't want to use that as raid, there will be a massive bottleneck on the controller

[15:32:57]

jya:

nah, he probable stores everything with 7.1 PCM audio, and uncompressed video

[15:33:04]

wagnerrp:

the backblaze system ran 3 sets of 13+2 RAID6

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wagnerrp:

or ~900MB/s per array

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wagnerrp:

but this one, at 133MB/s for the whole thing

[15:34:30]

wagnerrp:

yeah, that would just be painful

[15:42:11]

wagnerrp:

i really like the idea of vertical drive storage like that, but i could never justify the price

[15:42:27]

wagnerrp:

by the time i ever got around to filling it, everything in it would be outdated and in need of replacing

[15:42:50]

wagnerrp:

hard drives are just expanding too fast

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Exactly... I can hardly keep my two 5xsata hot-swap bays full... ;-) http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/case_mod/F . . . angle%29.jpg

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J-e-f-f-A:

ps: That's my case, with my custom additional 5.25" 'Optical Drive' slot added. ;-) (a few hours of dremel cutting and filing and metal working... ;-) )

[15:46:14]

wagnerrp:

looks real enough

[15:46:35]

wagnerrp:

i think i have that same drive

[15:46:50]

wagnerrp:

and my parents have the same card reader

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: drop back to http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/case_mod/ to see the other pics. ;-) I did a pretty clean job I think. ;-) (the 5.25" tray was 'recycled' from an old pc...)

[15:49:13]

wagnerrp:

no, different drive

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, the BD-RW is kindof a 'waste' right now... But I picked it up on Black Friday, so I decided to use it instead of a 'plain' DVD-RW drive... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

has anyone been watching V?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: not this season, yet, but I'm looking forward to doing so, again

[16:12:26]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I loved S1

[16:12:32]

sphery:

much better than the '80s version

[16:12:51]

wagnerrp:

really? i just got a bit bored with it

[16:12:56]

sphery:

it started slow

[16:12:59]

wagnerrp:

only made it about halfway through

[16:13:05]

sphery:

by the end of the season, I was hooked

[16:13:33]

sphery:

probably the first 5 – 7 episodes were a bit less satisfying

[16:13:50]

wagnerrp:

yeah, thats all the further i am

[16:14:24]

sphery:

yeah, gets better... hardest part is getting to know all the characters/background stuff

[16:14:39]

sphery:

once there, you find a story starts to develop :)

[16:15:09]

sphery:

then again, I'll admit I routinely watch terrible SciFi stuff--just because I'd rather watch bad SciFi than good <most other genres>

[16:15:18]

sphery:

so I may not be the best judge

[16:15:33]

Saviq:

I'm getting "Error: OpenFile(): File too small (0B)." when switching channels in LiveTV... but it doesn't even wait for the channel to be locked, so no wonder it's 0B... :

[16:16:07]

Saviq:

is there a way to start LiveTV on a certain channel?

[16:16:15]

sphery:

Saviq: sounds like you need to increase (maybe to max) your tuning timeouts

[16:16:45]

sphery:

live tv starts on the starting channel specified for the input chosen by mythtv for use

[16:16:52]

sphery:

which is updated with each channel change

[16:16:55]

Saviq:

yes that I know

[16:17:03]

sphery:

no way to always use the same one

[16:17:09]

Saviq:

it only happens when switching in LiveTV, recording and tuning into the starting channel is fine :/

[16:17:26]

Saviq:

I'll increase the timeouts then

[16:17:46]

sphery:

try timeouts

[16:18:22]

sphery:

if that doesn't help, you can use a hack--that has some consequences--that might work... you can enable quick tuning for live tv if it's not already enabled (by default, it is)

[16:18:33]

sphery:

if it is enabled, try disabling it

[16:18:53]

sphery:

as it may just be that the quick tuning hack prevents successful lock on your channels

[16:19:23]

Saviq:

ah... there was a recording going on I missed

[16:19:30]

Saviq:

it tried to switch to an unavailable transport

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sphery:

ahhh

[16:20:10]

sphery:

like on another mux?

[16:20:14]

Saviq:

yeah

[16:20:22]

sphery:

with proper configuration, it will know when that's not possible

[16:20:52]

sphery:

i.e. if 2 inputs share the same tuner/stb/... you'll need an input group so mythtv knows they're not usable at the same tiem

[16:21:03]

Saviq:

I believe I have proper configuration... but I tried to switch using the channel number

[16:21:16]

Saviq:

it might've tricked the backend somehow

[16:21:56]

Saviq:

I just have one DVB-S2 tuner currently with a DiSEqC

[16:22:14]

Saviq:

just two input connections

[16:22:37]

sphery:

yeah, there is an issue with changing channels in live tv, now

[16:22:39]

sphery:

might be related

[16:22:53]

sphery:

(specifically that it sometimes picks the wrong channel or something)

[16:22:56]

Saviq:

both in the same input group 1 (HDHR_/dev...) and Generic input group 2

[16:23:45]

Saviq:

I'm using multirec, though\

[16:24:16]

Saviq:

so again, that might've caused that

[16:24:44]

Saviq:

TBH when it worked as expected in 0.23.1 instead of ignoring the channel switch, it switched to the same channel back again, so that might need fixing

[16:24:59]

Saviq:

and some info about all tuners being used could be usefil

[16:25:03]

Saviq:

-i+u

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Saviq:

hmm I'm getting the same error now without any recordings active, let's try the timeouts

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Saviq:

nope :/

[16:30:03]

wagnerrp:

my dev box wants to update gcc... this is going to take a while

[16:30:53]

Saviq:

hmm where's the quick tuning option? can't find it in cards, sources nor input connections...

[16:31:24]

Saviq:

ah wait

[16:31:27]

Saviq:

let's open the eyes

[16:37:27]

Shadow__X:

don't know if anyone noticed but newegg is having a storage sale

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JEDIDIAH__:

mebbe they are getting ready for the 3TB drives.

[16:48:09]

JEDIDIAH__:

anyone use the 3TB WD green in a raid array yet?

[16:48:24]

Saviq:

sphery: nope, quick tuning or not, I'm getting: http://paste2.org/p/1179989

[16:48:38]

sphery:

Saviq: also, there's an issue with HDHR where if you manually set IP or device or identifier or whatever it is, it will cause problems when a recording is in progress... doesn't sound like that's the issue, but...

[16:48:39]

Saviq:

what's the 'cardtype(DUMMY)'? is that multirec?

[16:49:07]

Saviq:

sphery: I'm not using HDHR, TT-1600 here

[16:49:07]

sphery:

Saviq: i.e. you need to use the autodetection for the HDHR IIRC

[16:49:33]

sphery:

ah, was confused by: 01.06 11:22:56 < Saviq> both in the same input group 1 (HDHR_/dev...) and Generic input group 2

[16:49:50]

Saviq:

yeah, the input group was proposed by mythtv-setup, so didn't bother to change it

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sphery:

the DUMMY stuff is because MythTV starts playing a "dummy" recording (of blackness and silence) until it gets the data from the actual recording

[16:50:32]

iamlindoro:

cardtype(DUMMY) is the interstitial black playback between channels

[16:50:35]

iamlindoro:

damn you

[16:50:39]

sphery:

hehe

[16:50:39]

iamlindoro:

;)

[16:50:56]

sphery:

I was faster because I didn't use any $0.10 words!

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Saviq:

ah co it doesn't even get back to DVB then :/

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btwe is now known as btwe_afk

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but you did have like twice as many

[16:52:55]

iamlindoro:

I got distracted mid sentence when my boss walked in

[16:53:00]

iamlindoro:

that's my story and I'm sticking to it

[16:53:11]

wagnerrp:

i would have gone with spell checking

[16:53:29]

iamlindoro:

Nah, I am my own spell checker :)

[16:54:01]

** sphery is really getting lots of extra commits/pushes **

[16:54:12]

sphery:

got one yesterday for a // HERE comment I left in

[16:54:25]

sphery:

today I get one for changing the only substantive commit from yesterday

[16:54:37]

sphery:

(since yesterday's solution isn't supported on all supported DB versions :)

[16:54:41]

iamlindoro:

Just commit something, wait a few weeks, and push it

[16:54:45]

iamlindoro:

that'll take care of things

[16:54:45]

sphery:

heh

[16:55:05]

sphery:

kind of like how we doubled the value of MythTV on Ohloh

[16:55:08]

wagnerrp:

that will get you a lot of lines, but still only one extra commit

[16:55:41]

sphery:

oh... :(

[16:55:43]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Now if I can just get bought out for my share

[16:56:07]

sphery:

I'm waiting until MythTV is worth more than MS, then I'll sell

[16:56:15]

sphery:

after all, if Apple can do it

[16:56:37]

wagnerrp:

seems theyve got isaac as inactive now

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sphery:

yeah, noticed that

[16:56:49]

wagnerrp:

is that something automatic after so many months? or did he manually do that?

[16:57:26]

wagnerrp:

must have been manual

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sphery:

I don't know... his last commit was over a year ago, though

[16:57:47]

wagnerrp:

since thor isnt marked as such, with nothing in the entire 5-yr graph

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sphery:

ah, yeah

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sphery:

must be, then

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wagnerrp:

im almost on the second page

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wagnerrp:

although 'almost' is 150 commits away

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skd5aner:

isaac IS innactive :P

[17:01:14]

skd5aner:

I mean, the last thing I can remember him commiting is like the very initial VDPAU support stuff

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: yeah, but hes actually marked as such

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wagnerrp:

right next to his name, in red text, 'INACTIVE'

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skd5aner:

just saying, sounds correct to me :)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: nice... I'll have to keep an eye on you so you don't bump me

[17:02:06]

sphery:

look out kormoc, here I come...

[17:02:09]

sphery:

we can bump him

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sphery:

and his silver 9

[17:02:28]

wagnerrp:

yeah, im thinking ill have to bump skamithi to do it

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wagnerrp:

assuming we dont get a whole bunch of commits for the new XML/JSON interface

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sphery:

I need Beirdo to undo his kudo for the non-existent me and redo it as the real me...

[17:03:46]

sphery:

the link is to a 404, so I can't even "I am this person" that non-existent me

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wagnerrp:

people who use mythtv also use... virtualization module

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wagnerrp:

aww...

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wagnerrp:

apparently several people just found one of the mythtv twitter scripts

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wagnerrp:

'#mythtv' is little more than a bunch of 'i am recording...' and 'i am watching...' posts

[17:09:14]

wagnerrp:

not like theres a whole lot more of worth on there

[17:12:06]

sphery:

heh, writing my commit message the #9421 in my Refs #9421 ended up at the beginning of the line after I made it break lines for git log--so was a comment. Had to move Refs down, too.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: so 'SHOW PROCESSLIST' now works within the Qt MySQL libraries?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: technically it always did...

[17:13:22]

wagnerrp:

then why did we have to run an external call?

[17:13:41]

sphery:

I think Nigel was worried about the location of the db column--which we can get using QSqlRecord.

[17:13:55]

sphery:

it definitely works, though

[17:14:03]

sphery:

might have been a Qt 3 thing... Not exactly sure

[17:14:28]

sphery:

(Though I did other non-SQL commands, like SHOW PROCESSLIST, with Qt3's MySQL support.)

[17:15:09]

sphery:

actually... I'll be the problem was the bug in Qt's error handling + the non-robustness of our error handling

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sphery:

which we've since fixed so it's not a problem

[17:16:20]

sphery:

when we only check the error code (and not whether there was a reported error), there may be an error code, even if there was no error

[17:16:33]

sphery:

so now we actually check whether there's a reported error everywhere

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sphery:

i.e. check the return of exec() versus just using lastError()

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wagnerrp:

wow, 785k lines of translations

[17:20:31]

wagnerrp:

plus another 500k lines or so from ffmpeg

[17:21:01]

wagnerrp:

still puts actual code at around 1.25M lines in the repo

[17:21:13]

wagnerrp:

i always thought there was something wrong with the line count

[17:21:17]

wagnerrp:

i never realized we were that big

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sphery:

1.25M after translations and ffmpeg is removed from count?

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sphery:

that's impressive

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

the full main tree, minus png, gif, and qm files, is 2.57M

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sphery:

you ran a wc -l on it or something (maybe something more code-specific)?

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wagnerrp:

wc -l

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sphery:

cool

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wagnerrp:

wc -l `find . | grep -v -e '\.[png|gif|qm]'` to be specific

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sphery:

http://cloc.sourceforge.net/

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sphery:

wimp... not even using -regex

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wagnerrp:

perl has 7.5k lines of Lisp?

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sphery:

find . -regex '.*\.$png\|gif\|qm$$' -prune -o -print0 | xargs -0 wc -l

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wagnerrp:

ah

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sphery:

funny that your way is shorter, though

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wagnerrp:

i tried (png|gif|qm) first

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wagnerrp:

didnt know why it wasnt working

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sphery:

ahh, yeah

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wagnerrp:

i thought '-e' did '-regex'

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sphery:

unfortunately you have to do a ton of escaping for find's regex

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sphery:

grep, typically, too

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sphery:

I meant not using -regex in find

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wagnerrp:

oh

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sphery:

grep -v is often a lot easier, though

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sphery:

especially since you can pipeline multiple

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sphery:

I only use -regex in find because I have a script for ignoring things I want to ignore in the tree

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wagnerrp:

i was worried about dumping too much into wc than it could handle

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sphery:

specifically: .*$~\|Makefile\|\.\(orig\|rej$\)$\|.*/$\.svn\|\.pc\|config\|database\|docs\|i 18n$$/\|$$\|.*\.$gif\|jpg\|o\|png$\|.*/moc_.*\|.*/$cf\|qmk\|mk\|mkinst$lo g

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sphery:

believe it or not, I don't type that every time :)

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sphery:

and my "mythnoxml" project uses: '.*$~\|Makefile\|\.\(orig\|rej$\)$\|.*/$\.svn\|\.pc\|config\|database\|docs\| i18n$$/\|$$\|.*\.$gif\|jpg\|o\|png\|xml$\|.*/moc_.*\|.*/$cf\|qmk\|mk\|mkin st$log'

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sphery:

(I use this with a script based on SVN's contrib wcgrep, but that I've modified to allow specifying which ignore list based on "project" names)

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wagnerrp:

ever heard of openelec?

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sphery:

no

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wagnerrp:

linked as a related project to mythtv

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sphery:

heh, I see it

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wagnerrp:

looks like its a mini-myth type thing, but for xbmc

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sphery:

OpenEmbedded

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sphery:

wonder if they're doing a non-X version?

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sphery:

Optimized by us for Atom, Compact Flash, ION, etc. so you don't have to

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

can always ask, the guy doing it is around

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wagnerrp:

!seen sraue

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MythLogBot:

sraue is here and has been idle for 2 hours 35 minutes 4 seconds

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sphery:

The whole OS only takes up 80MB of your HDD

[17:31:23]

sphery:

that would make lots of our users happy

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sphery:

after all, these guys worry about the 2.5MB required to install X server

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wagnerrp:

well in the context of mini-myth, it actually makes sense

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wagnerrp:

since that was designed at a time when large CF cards were expensive

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sphery:

yeah, it's not a bad thing--just that most of our users shouldn't be worrying about it

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wagnerrp:

(and large flash drives)

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sphery:

XBMC based...

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sphery:

so probably X?

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sphery:

I know X is an option in OE

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wagnerrp:

if its for IONs, absolutely

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sphery:

cool

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wagnerrp:

i mean if its for IONs, the only way to make it worthwhile is using X with the proprietary nvidia drivers

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sphery:

yeah, that's a good point

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sphery:

wonder if my old Zaurus still works

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wagnerrp:

weve got 100MB just in libraries (and i believe mine are stripped)

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wagnerrp:

between myth, qt, xorg, perl, python, assorted other dependencies, i doubt we could get down below 256mB

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sphery:

yeah, Qt is pretty huge

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wagnerrp:

i know minimyth quotes 512MB

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sphery:

yeah, I'm seeing somwhere around 130MB for MythTV on my x86_64 box

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sphery:

rough estimate by taking /usr/local – /usr/local/src – /usr/local/share/mythtv

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sphery:

might be some other miscellaneous junk--but it's small

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wagnerrp:

heh, ive got 2.2GB on my boot images, but thats just because its far easier having it than not

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sphery:

hmmm, but only 30MB in /usr/local/bin and 50MB in /usr/local/lib

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sphery:

yeah, I'm a big fan of having good boot images with lots of tools

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wagnerrp:

i used to run my firewall on a stripped down freebsd install on a 256MB CF card

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wagnerrp:

it was worth me the $10 for a 4GB card and no hassle

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wagnerrp:

speaking of which, i should think about rebuilding that image

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wagnerrp:

its probably coming up on two years old

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wagnerrp:

i really need to get a CF card reader so i can easily update it

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clever:

wagnerrp: ive got my frontend down to ~490mb squashed, but thats including a whole compiler toolchain

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wagnerrp:

last time, i had to install dhcp on my file server, boot the thing over the network, and dump an image that way

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wagnerrp:

a complete PITA

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clever:

i'm not sure why exactly, but my router is taking 2.2gig of disk space

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clever:

i dont know how it wound up bigger then the frontend

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wagnerrp:

mine is at... 580MB

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wagnerrp:

still not that big, but /so/ much nicer that i can actually 'man' things on it

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clever:

i stripped the frontend of man pages, but not the router i think

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sphery:

heh, I'm all happy that I finally figured out how to make USB flash drives that can boot random floppy or CD boot disk images (as well as how to create DOS floppy images *and* sys them without a floppy drive or Windows--always had to use a floppy + Windows to sys the images before)

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sphery:

I have to take my Ubuntu boot flash drive and make it a generic USB image booter

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sphery:

then just slap the curent Ubuntu ISO on it

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sphery:

much easier than using a boot CD to boot Ubuntu to make an Ubuntu boot flash drive

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clever:

o, ive got 600mb of source files on the router, lol

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wagnerrp:

two different kernels?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: my stripped Qt (but with examples) is 344MB

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clever:

atleast, i see 2 tars but only one unziped

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Shadow__X:

sphery: are you saying have syslinux on the root of the flash drive then extracting the iso onto the flash drive?

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wagnerrp:

the installed kernel is a big hitter for freebsd

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wagnerrp:

by default, /everything/ is built

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wagnerrp:

anything not built into the kernel is included as a module

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wagnerrp:

so each kernel is around 250MB

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sphery:

Shadow__X: no, grub 2 + syslinux + iso image

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elmojo:

Beirdo, jpabq: almost got it working but apparently the udev persistent rules create symlinks owned by root.root and I run mythbackend as user mythtv

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Shadow__X:

sphery: oh ok how do you do that because that would make my life easier every time i want to try another iso

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clever:

elmojo: it shouldnt matter who owns the links, permisions always go by the target

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sphery:

Shadow__X: general idea: http://linuxcoaching.ie/linux_coaching/2009/0 . . . d-drive.html (syslinux is only required for dos floppy images, btw)

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sphery:

the iso you boot directly with grub 2 loopback

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clever:

sphery: id expect it would only work on iso's that are expecting it

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sphery:

I also recommend using 56spt when fdisk'ing to get alignment on flash

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clever:

once the linux kernel takes over, it will find the cdrom is missing

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Beirdo:

elmojo: the symlinks owners should be irrelevant, it's the target of the symlink that matters

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Beirdo:

sorry, seems clever said so too

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Beirdo:

add mythtv to the appropriate groups, log out, log in, see if it fixed it :)

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elmojo:

I think I got a fix for it

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Beirdo:

anyways, better get to the bus stop :)

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Shadow__X:

sphery: what do you mean by 56spt?

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sphery:

56 sectors per track

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sphery:

helps to ensure things are aligned on 4kiB boundaries

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sphery:

i.e. fdisk -S 56 or cfdisk -s 56

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sphery:

make your own decision, though

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sphery:

if things break...

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elmojo:

Beirdo: added 'dialout' to mythtv group and all is well

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elmojo:

gotta get this guide worked out though

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elmojo:

it's in descending order

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Shadow__X:

sphery: what would break? It would seem like worst case scanario i would just have to remove the partitions and start over

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sphery:

Shadow__X: yeah, basically

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sphery:

but if it means your sectors aren't aligned and that results in inefficient use of flash drive, which causes premature failure or something...

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Shadow__X:

sphery: yeah thats ok in my book but i see the need for the disclaimer

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sphery:

I just don't want you to blame that on me or whatever :)

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sphery:

more than anything, the default of 63spt is almost always bad for flash

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sphery:

at least AFAIU

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Shadow__X:

right but fdisk would tell me the current spt right?

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sphery:

yeah, it will

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sphery:

and will likely use it

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sphery:

by default--but if anyone has partitioned it incorrectly or something in the past...

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Shadow__X:

right so if someone has partitioned it incorrectly how would i get the appropriate spt

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ikevin-:

hey, i try to setup a local stream for mythtv, i use the same params as free's stream (mp2v for video, mpga for audio and mpeg2-ts as container), when i load it with the m3u, the stream is visible on the livetv, so while i try to view it myth always wait the lock, anyone have an idea of what i need to do to make it working?

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elmojo:

Beirdo: do you use LiveTV much with yours?

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elmojo:

Beirdo^2, jpapq: it's working great – I had better luck using Beirdo's channel change script for LiveTV for some reason or maybe just bad luck with the other one

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elmojo:

jpabq: how do you set the bitrate for the hdpvr?

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elmojo:

looks really good so I probably don't need to change anything

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Beirdo^2:

Hopefully you don't need reboots often

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Beirdo^2:

Recording profiles iirc

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elmojo:

ah, yes I'll check that out

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elmojo:

in the frontend I bet too which it shouldn't be :)

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Beirdo^2:

Correct

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Beirdo^2:

On both counts IMHO

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wagnerrp:

apparently sigma has announced support for xbmc

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wagnerrp:

i wonder how that is going to work

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wagnerrp:

whether theyre actually releasing source? or if its going to be some blob that you load into it

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sphery:

Beirdo^2: oh, btw, FWIW, I couldn't repro the race condition at all, either--so really glad that you had a motivated user to help

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Beirdo^2:

Cool

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Coded1:

helo all

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Coded1:

im trying to get fullscreen video to my CRT-TV via S-Video out on my Radeon 9200 (RV280) using the "radeon" drivers. I can configure the screen using ubuntu's display configuration utility and I get picture but if I try to make the video full screen everything on the TV goes black ... any ideas?

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tgm4883:

Coded1, maybe you are sending a video resolution that svideo doesn't support?

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tgm4883:

IDK, i stay away from that sort of thing

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Coded1:

its set to 800x600

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Coded1:

seems to be ok, xrandr shows it should be compatible with 640x480 & 800x600

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tgm4883:

IIRC, thats higher than svideo supports, but IDK

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tgm4883:

480p is max I believe

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wagnerrp:

most video cards support up to 1024x768 output through svideo

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tgm4883:

well, 572p I think

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wagnerrp:

and scale it internally

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, ah, didn't know that

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wagnerrp:

NTSC svideo is 480i, PAL svideo is 576i

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wagnerrp:

no progressive

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, no progessive?

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Coded1:

if I run VLC via terminal all goes well till I fullscreen the video then it seems to lose the screens "handle"

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wagnerrp:

no progressive

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** tgm4883 stands corrected **

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tgm4883:

Coded1, handle?

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Coded1:

This is what I get when the video is on the CRT-TV but not full screen >>>QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine == 0, type: 1 ... Now when full screen >>>>[????????] x11 video output error: X11 request 42.0 failed with error code 8:

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Coded1:

BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)

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Coded1:

the first one works the second one fails

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iamlindoro:

That's an indication of broken video drivers, which is not surprising, since radeon drivers are crap

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wagnerrp:

considering its a card that old, im sure hes using 'radeon' rather than 'fglrx'

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iamlindoro:

That's what he said

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wagnerrp:

i thought the old open source versions were at least halfway decent

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wagnerrp:

ah, so he did...

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iamlindoro:

Decent as far as running a desktop, not so much when trying to manage video

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wagnerrp:

no xv?

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iamlindoro:

Should have Xv, but the efficacy of the implementation is questionable

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wagnerrp:

i guess for that, you had to go way way back, like r128

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Coded1:

that sucks

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Coded1:

where is my xorg.conf again?

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sphery:

clever: just noticed your comment, and, yes, it requires a distro with support for booting from ISO file, but Ubuntu 10.04+ have it: "iso-scan/filename=path_to_iso" on the linux line. Here's my (now, confirmed working) grub.cfg: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/7mhM75sY

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sphery:

Shadow__X: ^^^

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** sphery is happy to have a new, better usb flash drive boot stick **

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sphery:

remember, though, that the process only works with grub2

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ikevin-:

anyone know why does freebox's stream freeze on liveTV ? while i try to view them myth style wait and after some minute come back to the home screen

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wagnerrp:

check your backend logs

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ikevin-:

it said me recorder exit with an unknown error

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ikevin-:

and before myth return to home screen i've a lot of repeated log:

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ikevin-:

2011-01–06 20:41:10.220 ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '3002_20110106203827.mpg'

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ikevin-:

so i think this is not an error

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sphery:

those messages are from the preview generator (and not an error)... the exiting with unknown error is the error

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sphery:

don't know how to fix it, though--never done iptv/m3u with mythtv

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Shadow__X:

sphery: thanks

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ikevin-:

ok

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... Is there still some HD-DVD ripping software out there somewhere? I've got a dozen or so discs that I never ripped to my Myth system...

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wagnerrp:

anydvd will do it

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iamlindoro:

AnyDVD HD

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wagnerrp:

just concatenate the pair of EVObs to one file

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wagnerrp:

and stuff it into your Videos SG

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J-e-f-f-A:

Cool. ;-) Thanks...

[20:17:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

I can't play them on my Toshiba HD-DVD STB – it seems to have 'commited suicide' due to some 'phone home' feature – as near as I can tell... :-( But I do have an XB360 USB HD-DVD drive that I bought for $49 way-back-when...

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wagnerrp:

is anyone else horribly bothered by the recent spat of hybrid sports cars?

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ikevin-:

mmm, it's strange, while i add http stream on myth i show a request to get the m3u in my web server, so, while i try to play the stream in live tv i don't show any request on the stream server

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GreyFoxx:

j-e: Does that xbox drive work just fine in linux ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: Humm... come to think of it, I don't think I've tried it – but even if it doesn't I've used it in windoze before. ;-)

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GreyFoxx:

cool :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: I think it just uses a UDF filesystem [IIRC], so... we'll see...

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elmojo:

so what's the best way to add channels when you add an hdpvr/satellite tuner to mythtv-setup?

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wagnerrp:

pull from SD

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elmojo:

does mythfilldatabase add them – the reason I'm asking is because I got tons of duplicate channels for some reason

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JEDIDIAH__:

just add them through schedules direct and disable the ones you don't want.

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JEDIDIAH__:

you can do that at SD or in myth itself.

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elmojo:

does that automatically happen when you run mythfilldatabase?

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JEDIDIAH__:

yup

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elmojo:

ok... I told it to add the channels in mythtv-setup and then ran mythfilldatabase... later noticed there were 2 ESPNS (channel 206), etc

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JEDIDIAH__:

unless you have 2 sources, that sounds like a bug.

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elmojo:

yes, it's gotta be a bug

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elmojo:

I went and removed all channels and just let mythfilldatabase run and everything is normal with no duplicates

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elmojo:

so if I go into my SD account on line and remove a channel does mythfilldatabase automatically remove it next time it runs or do I need to run it manually with some special argument?

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wagnerrp:

elmojo: i actually thought there were like eight of them

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** wagnerrp goes completely misunderstood **

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: GreyFoxx: 360 drive is just a Toshiba HD-DVD drive, and works fine in Linux

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iamlindoro:

and yes, HD-DVD and Blu-ray are both UDF 2.5

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iamlindoro:

so any kernel within the last few years will mount the filesystems without issue

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** iamlindoro started doing this when you needed to build your own kernel to even mount the disks :) **

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** wagnerrp wonders how many espn channels iamlindoro watches **

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iamlindoro:

Oh man, I love the Ocho

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wagnerrp:

there we go...

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GreyFoxx:

Dodgeball!

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iamlindoro:

You know, once I was thinking of quitting when I was diagnosed with brain, lung and testicular cancer all at the same time. But with the love and support of my friends and family, I got back on the bike and won the Tour de France five times in a row. But I'm sure you have a good reason to quit. So what are you dying of that's keeping you from the finals?

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wagnerrp:

humility?

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iamlindoro:

I think it's

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iamlindoro:

"Right now it kinda feels like shame."

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wagnerrp:

shame, knew it was something like that

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iamlindoro:

Here at Globo Gym, we understand that "Ugliness" and "Fatness" are genetic disorders, much like baldness or necrophilia, and it's only your fault if you don't hate yourself enough to do something about it.

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iamlindoro:

Words to live by

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GreyFoxx:

heheh I LOVED that movie

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GreyFoxx:

it's one of our household fav's :)

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iamlindoro:

It's one of my two go-to tests for Blu-ray folder structure ;)

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wagnerrp:

but can you dodge a wrench?

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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Shadow__X:

does mainline ffmpeg support vdpau offloading?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

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wagnerrp:

gah...

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wagnerrp:

that ones not even valid

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justinh:

phew! dvb-t went to pot tonight. found out why.. blinkin aerial cable was badly joined where it came into the house & the window fitters dislodged it. quick join later & voila – BER & UNC back to zero :)

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wagnerrp:

WTF

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wagnerrp:

all these things are showing up as based off v0.20

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: that's your tags needing updating, you pulled recently?

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Beirdo:

anything on daniel's branch may show up as based on 0.20 though

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wagnerrp:

yeah, its recent

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Beirdo:

as it depends on the last tag it saw in its history, and we always were putting the tags after branching instead of before, etc.

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Beirdo:

anything 0.24 should say v0.24

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Beirdo:

anything in master past that branch v0.25pre

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wagnerrp:

right, we only added a tag to trunk after 0.24 was branched

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wagnerrp:

anything before that is based off the 0.20 branch

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Beirdo:

yup

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wagnerrp:

hence my complaint, everything is tagged off 0.20

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wagnerrp:

was converting the svn revisions on the osx wiki page to git ones

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Beirdo:

we can put in more tags before 0.24 if you really want

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wagnerrp:

and everyone was just arbitrarily choosing revisions, rather than specifically ones on their branch

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Beirdo:

but that's the reason.

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Beirdo:

K

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wagnerrp:

so everything im pulling is coming off the trunk branch

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Beirdo:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

which was based off 0.20

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wagnerrp:

hard to find a nearby -fixes commit to actually describe what theyre using

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Beirdo:

we need tags along that branch with 0.23pre, 0.24pre, etc

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wagnerrp:

i dont know about that

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wagnerrp:

moving forward during development it will be nice

[21:21:44]

wagnerrp:

in the past, who cares

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Beirdo:

we hadn't done it as there wasn't seen a point to back-tag

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wagnerrp:

people shouldnt be using old trunk builds

[21:21:54]

Beirdo:

agreed

[21:22:06]

typhoon:

hi guys, once again back for help, mainly because you guys are awesome

[21:22:23]

Beirdo:

natanojl: please see #9421, try the alternate patch I just posted

[21:23:02]

typhoon:

has anyone got any guidance on HD ringbuffer size? I am getting very mild stuttering and wondering if increasing that would help?

[21:23:15]

wagnerrp:

does that setting still do anything?

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Beirdo:

hehe, no clue there

[21:23:54]

typhoon:

does HD stand for hard disk or HD as in HD TV?

[21:24:00]

wagnerrp:

i thought our playback ring buffer was entirely within memory after the livetv chain was reworked in... 0.20?

[21:24:03]

wagnerrp:

hard disk

[21:24:19]

wagnerrp:

its the amount of rotating storage supposed to be used for livetv sessions

[21:24:25]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: one could find the settings name and do a git grep to find if it's used :)

[21:24:35]

wagnerrp:

before livetv was turned into just another recording, and the whole thing was stored for up to a day

[21:24:57]

Beirdo:

I'd bet it's a candidate for being removd

[21:25:03]

typhoon:

maybe I should start at the beginning then :)

[21:25:28]

typhoon:

I'm getting this in mythfrontend.log: NVP(2): prebuffering pause

[21:25:31]

wagnerrp:

if you are getting mild stuttering, fiddling with the ringbuffer wont solve your problem

[21:25:42]

typhoon:

and HD video and audio is stuttering

[21:25:45]

wagnerrp:

what content? what processor? what playback profile? what network?

[21:25:49]

Beirdo:

alcohol might help

[21:25:56]

Beirdo:

oh wait. that's IRL

[21:26:01]

wagnerrp:

no, that will just add slurring

[21:26:07]

typhoon:

lol

[21:26:19]

wagnerrp:

slurring and stuttering? the show will just become outright incomprehensible

[21:26:50]

typhoon:

HD content ITV or BBC HD doen't matter, pentium D dual core 2.8, 3gb ram, geforce 7600 GS

[21:27:10]

typhoon:

PCIe for the GPU too

[21:27:11]

wagnerrp:

could you 'ffmpeg -i <recording>'?

[21:27:20]

wagnerrp:

wondering the codec and bitrate from those recordings

[21:27:41]

typhoon:

easiest way of getting actual filename for recording?

[21:27:43]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: do you know if BBC's h264 stuff is still single sliced?

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wagnerrp:

the recordings will be stored as chanid_starttime.mpg

[21:28:11]

Beirdo:

Not sure. elmojo or stuartm I think would be closer to the loop there

[21:28:18]

wagnerrp:

where starttime will be <year><month><date><hour><minute>00

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typhoon:

2 secs (thanks btw)

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wagnerrp:

if you dont have ffmpeg installed, recent versions of trunk and 0.24 will have mythffmpeg

[21:31:37]

typhoon:

ok I have info and what looks like an error

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typhoon:

bitrate is 10892 kb/s

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wagnerrp:

ignore the error

[21:31:55]

wagnerrp:

pastebin the whole thing (into a pastebin, not in here)

[21:31:58]

typhoon:

audio is 192 kb/s

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you have that proessor... estimate on how quickly it could decode h264?

[21:33:01]

wagnerrp:

maybe 6mbps per core?

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typhoon:

http://pastebin.com/VRSMAgFr

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Beirdo:

thinking :)

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typhoon:

on that note, when watching HD its only using one core

[21:34:24]

wagnerrp:

i know my 2GHz amd64 939 chokes out around 7–7.5mbps

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Beirdo:

1080i, I forget the bandwidth-but default... is about 40fps decoding

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Beirdo:

default for the HD-PVR

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Beirdo:

and yeah, one core

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wagnerrp:

well it would have been off the HDPVR, so 13.5?

[21:35:08]

Beirdo:

yeah, sounds right

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Beirdo:

I just don't remember the default number it uses in our recording profiles

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Beirdo:

I didn't tweak the rates

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wagnerrp:

no, default is much lower

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Beirdo:

not for 1080i, is it?

[21:36:03]

Beirdo:

H264 defaults that is

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wagnerrp:

i think the default is for VBR

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wagnerrp:

and the VBR quantizers for that are a bit screwy

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Beirdo:

heh

[21:36:27]

Beirdo:

true

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wagnerrp:

anyway, wide range somewhere between 6–9mbps

[21:36:43]

elmojo:

those duplicates were the SD and HD stations using the same channel number

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elmojo:

what a pain

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Beirdo:

oh there's the man who likely knows what the HDPVR default bitrate settings are... he just set it up

[21:37:13]

wagnerrp:

either way, if your file is 11mbps, and youre only using one core (meaning its likely single sliced)

[21:37:17]

wagnerrp:

that processor just wont cut it

[21:37:19]

Beirdo:

elmojo: yeah, I edited my channel lineup to have them collapse into one, it's actually nice when you have a mix of HD and SD receivers

[21:37:21]

elmojo:

if I remove channels in my lineup on the schedules direct website how do I make mythtv remove them?

[21:37:42]

Beirdo:

ummm, I fight with that one every time

[21:37:58]

Beirdo:

it's one of the args to mythfilldatabase, but I forget which

[21:38:02]

wagnerrp:

typhoon: you can try upgrading the whole system to something that can handle it (and any currently purchasable desktop hardware will do fine)

[21:38:09]

elmojo:

I think I just need to go into the channel editor and deleate all of them and then rerun mythfilldatabase

[21:38:10]

wagnerrp:

or you can just upgrade the graphics card

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wagnerrp:

anything VDPAU capable (nvidia 8-series or better)

[21:38:27]

wagnerrp:

and you can do the video decoding in hardware

[21:38:30]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you know your filldb args?

[21:38:40]

wagnerrp:

luckily your board is PCIe, so thats actually an option

[21:38:46]

wagnerrp:

filldb args....

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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Beirdo:

if sphery were active rignt now, he'd likely now

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Beirdo:

know :)

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typhoon:

@wagnerrp I'd love to :) usual thing though, money is tight. Would xvmc help?

[21:39:01]

wagnerrp:

i have /never/ touched MFD

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wagnerrp:

typhoon: xvmc doesnt support h264

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wagnerrp:

only mpeg2

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Beirdo:

yeah, elmojo wants to clean out the channels that he's deleting from SD lineup

[21:39:17]

Beirdo:

ah.

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typhoon:

ah

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Beirdo:

where's that sphery :)

[21:39:34]

wagnerrp:

at least over here, you can pick up an 8400 for $30 or so

[21:39:39]

wagnerrp:

dont know what british prices are

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Beirdo:

our encyclopedia of information :)

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wagnerrp:

encyclospheria

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Beirdo:

I think he might actually be doing work... shame on him

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Beirdo:

okolsi: I need feedback from you on your bug report.

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typhoon:

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typhoon:

looks like I need to do a paper-round or something ;)

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Beirdo:

elmojo: you can likely do it with deletion like that, I was just hoping we could find you something more elegant.

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kth:

wagnerrp: hello – does 0.24 have any known memory leaks by using hdtv and ac3 sound? – at my htpc memory usage is growing up 'til its no memory left ... – i read about 1,5/2 gb ram isn't enough so i made a swap of 4,8 gb but mythfrontend has some fork errors or decoding errors – or is there no known problem at this time?

[21:42:25]

Beirdo:

personally, I tend to do the unapproved method of using phpmyadmin to delete all the rows I don't want...

[21:43:04]

wagnerrp:

kth: ive heard one or two other people complain about one

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Beirdo:

kth: I think there's some known issue with an nvidia driver version

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typhoon:

thanks for all your help tonight gents and possibly ladies, again. It's very much appreciated

[21:45:23]

kth:

Beirdo: ok so when i change nvidia driver to a newer version it should work? – before i update to 0.24 and mythbuntu 10.10 there was no problem – i've ordered also 4gb of ram – so this should improve it hopefully ;)

[21:45:24]

elmojo:

kth: many issues with nvidia 260 series and some suggest just to avoid that series altogether

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Beirdo:

I need to make myself a script to post patches to trac

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elmojo:

kth: 256 or 195 seem to be a solid choice

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: hey are you around

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elmojo:

Beirdo: when you added directv did you get many icons?

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natanojl:

Beirdo: Your patch seems to work fine as well.

[21:49:16]

kth:

elmojo: is it possible to downgrade nvidia driver at ubuntu 10.10? or do 256 have some problem with 10.10 ?

[21:51:07]

wagnerrp:

how long has it been since matrox sold G400s?

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natanojl:

Beirdo: Do you know if the copy ctor is used anywhere? Was thinking the direct pointer copy of 'd' would lead to a double delete. Maybe use initializePrivate there as well?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: Ha! ;-) I just got back from a Dr's appt... good timing! ;-)

[21:56:57]

Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: i am looking at mythstreamtv and i was wondering you said it worked on iphone right?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: I didn't use it with an iPhone – at the time, just with PCs.

[22:00:24]

Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: did you say it worked with an iphone though

[22:00:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: No, I don't think I did... I've got an Android phone, so I'd be looking to make it stream mpeg4. ;-)

[22:01:41]

Shadow__X:

right now i am trying to get vlc to stream mpeg4 to a device but i am looking for the right flags to use

[22:01:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: And I just bought a pretty fast CPU to help... an Athlon II X4 640 (quad-core 3Ghz) and 8GB DDR3 1333 ram. ;-)

[22:01:56]

** JEDIDIAH__ got a G400 as a present in 2001 or so **

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wagnerrp:

released in 1999

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wagnerrp:

someone on the mythtvtalk forum complaining about poor video quality in Squeeze

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wagnerrp:

im betting the driver has just long since stagnated, and has started to regress

[22:03:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: I googled "cvlc iPhone transcode" and came up with this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1340629

[22:04:05]

elmojo:

kth: you can add jya's mythtv repo and get 256 for Ubuntu 10.10

[22:04:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: Although, in that thread, he didn't get it to stream direct from VLC... Humm...

[22:05:07]

Shadow__X:

yeah i was talking to a dev of another project and it seems like most issues are that you can stream it just not with vlc diretly

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tanderson_:

Hey. Anyone know when kormac is typically around? I need to know why he doesn't have an ebuild in his myth ebuild tree for mythweb

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wagnerrp:

hes out of town for the next week

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tanderson_:

Okies. I'll make up my own build then.

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Beirdo:

he's typically around though

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tanderson_:

That's what I've noticed.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: This one looks promising – I've only skimmed the first couple of paragraphs, but it's got a video of "iPhone HTTP Streaming Video with Adaptive Bitrate" http://www.ioncannon.net/meta/564/iphone-wind . . . ment-page-1/

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wagnerrp:

honestly, i would have no idea how to even do an ebuild for mythweb

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tanderson_:

The official ebuilds use webapp-config.

[22:09:31]

tanderson_:

I would probably make use of that as well, with some modifications

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wagnerrp:

meh, id rather just have the files to be able to install as i saw fit to be honest

[22:10:19]

tanderson_:

Yeah. I could do that.

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Beirdo:

According to the manual the Nook Color can play these video formats: 3GP, 3G2, MP4, M4V, and OGG. And supports MPEG-4 Simple Profile up to 854x480, H.263 up to 352x288, and H.264 Baseline profile up to 854x480.

[22:10:25]

jya:

J-e-f-f-A: still on that damn raid card

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Beirdo:

hehehe.

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: Holy *bleep*

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tanderson_:

Yep, lazy that I am, I'll just do some cp magic

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jya:

J-e-f-f-A: now I can't see any of my jbod now

[22:11:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

jya: So you didn't exchange it for a different card in the mean time?

[22:11:05]

jya:

I reflashed in 1.2

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jya:

i don't have another card

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wagnerrp:

tanderson_: i just had my own custom apache server running on freebsd before i ever knew of gentoo (and still do)

[22:11:33]

jya:

J-e-f-f-A: it worked once, I could see my drive, everything was good

[22:11:37]

wagnerrp:

ive got no idea how distros have apache set up modularly with vservers

[22:11:53]

jya:

now it doesn't show any of my drive unless they are in an array

[22:11:56]

wagnerrp:

never looked into it to be honest

[22:12:03]

jya:

how do you remove a device and make it available as an array ?

[22:12:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

jya: I figured you would have driven down to the store and exchanged it for a different brand. Yikes. <strange>

[22:12:22]

tanderson_:

wagnerrp: well to be honest, our way of doing that is not very clean or nice, but it is better as far as packaging goes than making the user manually install the package

[22:12:29]

jya:

J-e-f-f-A: there are no other stores, and it's too early, they are closed

[22:12:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

jya: ah – ~8am for you?

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jya:

anyhow, i want to do with this card .. how do you remove the drive ? it only let me initialise it (for spare or jbod) and a jbod isn't just a single drive, it's actually like an array

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wagnerrp:

why would you want to span using a raid card?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: I'm afraid I don't know for that card. For mine, as long as I didn't create an array on the card's bios, each drive appeared as it's own device (IE: /dev/sda /dev/sdb, etc) ... and I just partitioned/formatted within the OS.

[22:16:59]

jya:

wagnerrp: because that was the only sata controller I could find with 4 ports today :)

[22:17:32]

wagnerrp:

read as... 'why is span even an option'

[22:18:17]

jya:

wagnerrp: ok, I summarise ; by mistake I upgraded my zpool to v28, making it unusable with most OS and working with freebsd but very instable

[22:18:32]

jya:

so I bought 4 drives, created another pool, copied all the zfs file system on it

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wagnerrp:

v28? i thought freebsd was on v14 or something

[22:19:23]

wagnerrp:

yeah, 8.0 release was 13, 8.1 is 14

[22:19:59]

jya:

to do that I needed another 4 drives

[22:20:03]

wagnerrp:

unless are you running solaris? or does 9.0 have a much newer version?

[22:20:11]

jya:

so I got that raid card, just to use it as sata adapter

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jya:

now I've copied all my files, I want to copy back my files the other way

[22:20:33]

jya:

but now this sata card doesn't show me my drive

[22:20:36]

jya:

driveS

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jya:

FreeBSD 9-HEAD has v28, and there's a backport for 8-stable

[22:21:15]

jya:

if in the web interface I add the disk

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jya:

the jbod, it automatically creates the /dev/ad device

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wagnerrp:

this far into it, i would think it would be faster to grab a spare box to build the array on and do it over the network

[22:21:53]

jya:

wagnerrp: I tried that. that's how I moved my file the first way

[22:21:55]

jya:

took 4 days

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wagnerrp:

zfs send <whatever> | nc othermachine

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Saviq:

jya: the digital passthrough commit to fixes/0.24 is yours, right? do you think it might help with underrun issues on passthrough?

[22:22:05]

wagnerrp:

how much data?

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jya:

as I don't have 4 days anymore, I wanted to do it locally

[22:22:35]

jya:

6TB, but zfs send | receive is *very* slow

[22:22:42]

jya:

as receive can take a while, it locks

[22:22:51]

jya:

and zfs send stop doing anything

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wagnerrp:

whoops

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wagnerrp:

'zfs designers recommend 2GiB for every 1TiB of storage'

[22:23:08]

jya:

I tried a trick I read about using mbuffer

[22:23:17]

wagnerrp:

ive got 2GB for... around 6TB

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jya:

but even at top speed of 80MB/s , there is still loooooong delays

[22:23:40]

jya:

I got 12GB of RAM

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jya:

wonder what would happen if I create 4 jbod

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wagnerrp:

yeah, im using an old opteron that cant even handle more than 4

[22:24:22]

jya:

wonder if I can re-use those disks outside that raid controller, on a standard sata controller

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** Beirdo tries nuvexport to make H.264 @ 848x480, 720kbit/s for his nook color **

[22:24:49]

Beirdo:

let's see what we can do.. of course, have to wait until I'm HOME to try the file

[22:24:49]

wagnerrp:

i dont see why you wouldnt

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natanojl:

Beirdo: Did you see my responses earlier?

[22:25:44]

Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

sorry, I was off doing stuff...

[22:26:34]

Beirdo:

you see the patch I put for ya to try instead?

[22:26:51]

wagnerrp:

i bet all of my current disk issues could be traced back to lack of memory

[22:27:11]

natanojl:

Beirdo: Yeah, it works too.

[22:27:12]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: in the computer, or in you? :)

[22:27:24]

wagnerrp:

ZFS on the server

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Beirdo:

natanojl: OK, I'll commit that one then :)

[22:27:35]

wagnerrp:

primarily performance issues

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Beirdo:

it fixes it in the more general case, so if there's the same issue elsewhere, it will be fixed there too

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natanojl:

Beirdo: I wrote this too: "Do you know if the copy ctor is used anywhere? Was thinking the direct pointer copy of 'd' would lead to a double delete. Maybe use initializePrivate there as well?"

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Beirdo:

not sure

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Beirdo:

we don't actually have any code copying anyways

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Beirdo:

that I can remember

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natanojl:

ok

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Beirdo:

just initializing and then later finishing the init.

[22:29:46]

Beirdo:

but that is a valid point for sure

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Beirdo:

for the copying constructor, we probably should do a->d = new MythSystemPrivate(d)

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jya:

wagnerrp: well, to get in a jbod mode, I have to format the disk ! which make me think that it copes some crap on it

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Beirdo:

or whatever

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natanojl:

Beirdo: yeah

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natanojl:

Thanks for the upcoming fix :) I'm off to bed now

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Beirdo:

K :)

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Beirdo:

thanks for noticing.

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natanojl:

np

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Beirdo:

ugh, that copy thing will be a PITA. I'll look at it tonight

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J-e-f-f-A:

jya: yikes. Do you have the manual – I just downloaded it myself... 2710 right, just 4 ports?

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jya:

J-e-f-f-A: manual? what manual.. you mean the little flyer they wrote for simpleton ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

no, a 68-page pdf online... http://www.highpoint-tech.com/PDF/rr2700/RR27 . . . l_100724.rar

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jya:

yeah... except that 20 pages for windows

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jya:

20 pages for bios

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jya:

and none of it contains anything of varlue :)

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jya:

right now I created 4 "arrays" of type JBOD

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jya:

this make the drive appear in ./dev at least

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jya:

will try a little bit of copy and see if this array works in another machine

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Beirdo:

!seen okolsi

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J-e-f-f-A:

ouch. I didn't have to do anything in the card's 'bios' for my drives to appear as individual drives.. yikes.

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Beirdo:

buh.

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jya:

wagnerrp: that's the mbuffer trick I was talking about

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jya:

http://blogs.everycity.co.uk/alasdair/2010/07 . . . zfs-receive/

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jya:

J-e-f-f-A: I know ! it worked like that at the beginning

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jya:

then I flashed it to firmware 1.2 because it kept locking up

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jya:

and now I can't see my spare drive anymore

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jya:

downgraded to 1.0 , same deal

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J-e-f-f-A:

eek.

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jya:

don't know what happened

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jya:

ahh.. zfs locally is a tad faster !

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jya:

380MB/s

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jya:

I may even get to go home before I need to take a flight :)

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jya:

now if i end up copying the whole thing across, only to discover that those disk aren't going to work outside that raid card..

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jya:

gonna be annoyed

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, I would be too..

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jya:

if it doesn't work, I leave those temporary disk in place

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jya:

they are Seagate 2TB USB external drive, I bought them cause everything was closed ; I broke the case took the drives (4 cases) , they are Seagate LP one.. beurk

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chat55269:

hello

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julie343:

long time since i did this

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Beirdo:

?

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Beirdo:

hello, goodbye

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russell5:

random question? there is no way to edit a cutlist frim a machine without a frontend right

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Beirdo:

not officially

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Beirdo:

you'd have to mess with the database, and that would be... unsupported :)

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russell5:

yeah and i would screw something up. lol

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Beirdo:

which is the main reason it's unsupported :)

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russell5:

yup makes sense

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russell5:

one more question :) i have nuvexport dump a txt file with video info will mythvideo pick that up?

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Beirdo:

don't know off-hand

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russell5:

thanks

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Beirdo:

sorry :)

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** Beirdo watches his nuvexport run continue to run. not too shabby so far **

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Beirdo:

poor box is likely getting warm though ;)

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russell5:

:)

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Beirdo:

it's first pass, but 40fps decoding H.264 1080i

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russell5:

wow

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Beirdo:

second pass will be a bit slower, likely

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Beirdo:

I'm trying a transcode for my nook color

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russell5:

wow how do you like the nook color?

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Beirdo:

I like it. I rooted it, of course... a 7" android tablet with wifi...

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

but as an ebook reader, I like it too

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Beirdo:

and merry christmas to me :)

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russell5:

lol yeah

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russell5:

im looking for a tablet maybe or a new phone cant decide

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Beirdo:

there are cheaper tablets, I'd bet

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russell5:

yeah but their slowwwww

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Beirdo:

but I wanted it for the e-book part too. I have the Android kindle app on here too

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russell5:

lol

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Beirdo:

I meant cheaper Android tablets... but they don't look as solid to me yet

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russell5:

yeah

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russell5:

maybe i will wait for wifi galaxy tab or the new moto one

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blizzard_:

Q: I have alot of duplicate channels in my channel list by some reason. I remove them but each time I run mythfilldatabase, they're back again.... what's happening?

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Beirdo:

blizzard_: if you are using schedules direct, be sure to remove them from the list there

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blizzard_:

how to you mean "schedules direct"?

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Beirdo:

I mean schedulesdirect... as in the provider of scheduling information used by MythTV in North America

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Beirdo:

I take it from your response, you are likely not using it

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

with other data provider methods, I don't know how its done.

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blizzard_:

EU =)

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blizzard_:

does the program table contain only data from the xmltv grabber?

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blizzard_:

ie is it safe to delete the contents of that table?

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Beirdo:

not sure and not really

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Beirdo:

:)

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blizzard_:

you always stops me from playing directly in the database =)

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Beirdo:

it's not really safe for you to be messing in the database

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blizzard_:

haha, precisly =)

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blizzard_:

I'd just like to get rid of some program data without having to wait for it to go out of time

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blizzard_:

as mentioned above, I have that problem with getting alot of duplicate channels from mythfilldatabase by some reason

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Beirdo:

well, with all the normal caveats... etc... it probably is the table you are looking for.

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Beirdo:

but I'm not 100% sure.

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Stevezau:

I'm using ubuntu 10.10, installed mythtv via apt-get. I've set everything up but when i run live tv the frontend crashes and im put back to the xwindows/gnome login screen.. logs shows "ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 1897, errno = 11"

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Stevezau:

any ideas?

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blizzard_:

and when xmltv discovers that my TV4 is a record earlier than the one I use, that TV4 gets the program info and the TV4 channel that I actually use, and actually works, wont get no program info =/

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Beirdo:

blizzard_: go into the channel editor in mythtv-setup or mythweb, and set channels you never want to use to not be visible.

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Beirdo:

rather than deleting them

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blizzard_:

Stev: IO error doesnt sound all that sexy, do a dmesg and see if you got some actual io errors towards disk...

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JEDIDIAH__:

visible=0

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blizzard_:

Beirdo; done that, mythfilldatabase still fills the wrong channels with program info =/

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blizzard_:

in mythweb, the xmltvid column is the reference for mythfilldatabase

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blizzard_:

seems like mythfilldatabase uses the ascii xmltv config file to see what xmltvid's it can get data for, and provides the data to the first hit with matching name in the xmltvid column...

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Beirdo:

blizzard_: it doesn't matter what it fills in... if set to not visible, it should not ever be used by scheduling, nor livetv

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blizzard_:

which is a nonworking channel with the same name and xmltvid

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Beirdo:

oh, well that could well be

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blizzard_:

yap, so the channel that has the information is invisible =/

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Beirdo:

it could be a bug in the xmltv interface for filldb or something

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blizzard_:

same channels, different channelid's

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Stevezau:

nope nothing in dmesg blizzard_

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Beirdo:

oooh, a pull request for xris

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Beirdo:

I'm sure he'll deal with it later

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blizzard_:

huh?

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blizzard_:

which log shows the ICE default IO error?

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blizzard_:

system or myth log?

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blizzard_:

Steve: see if this link could spread some light: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=608573&page=2

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gizmobay:

I'm missing mythweb from git how do I get it?

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russell5:

its on a different repo

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russell5:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb

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gizmobay:

how do I pull it via CLI

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russell5:

git pull https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb.git

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russell5:

dont forget to change to the same branch your using for mythtv

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gizmobay:

I'm using 0.24 fixes

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blizzard_:

Does anyone know if filldb does an INSERT on xmltv enteries that it doesnt find matches on? ie, I have two LNB's... sourceid1&2. If xmltvid tv4.se exists in both xmltv config files, but the channel only exists on my sourceid2, will it do an INSERT on sourceid1 for the complete channel as well then?

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russell5:

i believe its git checkout -b 0.24-fixes origin/fixes/0.24

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