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| [00:13:05] | plut0: | which variable sets the repeat for lirc? |
| [00:14:31] | wagnerrp: | http://www.lirc.org/html/configure.html#lircrc_format |
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| [00:19:49] | plut0: | wagnerrp: thank you |
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| [00:28:41] | RomioTango: | anyone work in the engineering world and know of an EE job |
| [00:28:48] | RomioTango: | I'm getting tired of what I do... |
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| [00:34:16] | [R]: | i do, but i don't |
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| [00:40:00] | wagnerrp: | the engineering world is not limited to electrical |
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| [00:40:24] | wagnerrp: | dont forget the people who make bombs, chemical |
| [00:40:37] | wagnerrp: | the people who deliver the bombs, mechanical/aeronautical |
| [00:40:49] | wagnerrp: | and the people to build targets, civil |
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| [00:43:36] | stuartm: | the engineering world is not limited to electrical, but it does revolve around war |
| [00:43:51] | stuartm: | is what I think wagnerrp was getting at ;) |
| [00:44:42] | wagnerrp: | no, we just liked to make fun of the civils |
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| [00:46:28] | stuartm: | they'll have the last laugh come judgement day ... right before they die |
| [00:46:46] | RomioTango: | haha |
| [00:46:47] | RomioTango: | wow... |
| [00:47:32] | RomioTango: | I think I'm going to start looking for EE jobs that pertain to linux related systems |
| [00:47:40] | RomioTango: | tired of designing hospitals |
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| [00:48:09] | RomioTango: | the $60–70k isnt bad but incredibly boring |
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| [00:49:35] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: the ChemEs had to take organic chemistry, and the EEs practiced dark magic... meanwhile, CivEs dealt with margins of safety in the double digits |
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| [00:50:07] | wagnerrp: | they were the low hanging fruit, as it were |
| [00:51:08] | stuartm: | my cousin studied 7 years to become an architect and spent another few years interning around the world, what he and pretty much every other architect eventually ended up doing was deciding where to put the doors in CAD models of new supermarkets |
| [00:51:30] | stuartm: | he quit and pursued a career in music |
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| [00:52:13] | [R]: | stuartm: were they in the front? |
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| [00:53:17] | stuartm: | it wasn't that he wasn't good, top of his class, first class degree and a very prestigious award for his dissertation it's just that what they don't tell us at school is that life isn't like the movies, the reality of most jobs is that they suck |
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| [00:53:46] | [R]: | my friend is a civil |
| [00:53:50] | [R]: | and when he first statrted he hated it |
| [00:53:55] | [R]: | i think he still does a litlte inside |
| [00:54:02] | [R]: | my other firend quit his job cuz he hated it |
| [00:54:06] | [R]: | i on the other hand... love my job |
| [00:54:11] | [R]: | computers > * |
| [00:54:23] | bulle: | i just picked a job that has nothing to do with my education, problem solved =D |
| [00:54:30] | [R]: | lol |
| [00:54:34] | stuartm: | [R]: heh, he was given the building model with all it's external and internal walls, his job was then to decide where all the doors – internal and external went |
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| [00:55:02] | Tanthrix: | bulle: Ditto! |
| [00:55:21] | ** Tanthrix watches his B.S. in Psychology hanging on the wall next to him collecting dust ** | |
| [00:55:45] | stuartm: | he had some amusing stories about receiving these models from the senior architects and finding entire floors with no form of access, no stairs, no lifts (elevators) or corridors which went no-where at all |
| [00:56:11] | stuartm: | but mostly the job was crushingly boring |
| [00:56:16] | Tanthrix: | Is that the M. C. Escher school of architecture? |
| [00:56:20] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: my school has a 16-story tower with no bathrooms |
| [00:56:27] | wagnerrp: | whoops |
| [00:56:43] | [R]: | wagnerrp: how does that happen? |
| [00:56:52] | wagnerrp: | i dont know |
| [00:57:01] | Hilikus: | hey guys. im trying to see how far from HD i am. i bought an hdtv, my motherboard has an hdmi port in the integrated video card, are these ports usable only for protected content playback or i will see the same as in a computer monitor? |
| [00:57:01] | wagnerrp: | they ended up installing bathrooms in the stair wells |
| [00:57:16] | Tanthrix: | You'd think with the increase in 3D modeling those sorts of problems would be less common, since you could do a virtual walkthrough. |
| [00:57:19] | wagnerrp: | alternating male and female bathrooms on each floor |
| [00:57:32] | [R]: | Hilikus: its the same as a monitor |
| [00:57:39] | [R]: | Hilikus: but you have to play actual HD content... |
| [00:57:58] | Hilikus: | what do you mean? it won't play sd? |
| [00:58:02] | Tanthrix: | Hilikus: You also have to make sure your system is outputting at a proper HD resolution, which can sometimes be a bit of work. |
| [00:58:04] | wagnerrp: | [R]: its a good thing the whole thing was concrete, and fire is not a concern |
| [00:58:06] | stuartm: | heard similar stories about my career prospects when studying geology, professors explaining that 99% of graduates would spent their time doing mud logging – that's drilling relative shallow earth cores and then cataloguing the different types of 'mud' |
| [00:58:08] | [R]: | Hilikus: it will... but than it'll be sd... not hd |
| [00:58:13] | [R]: | Hilikus: you said you wanted to see how far from hd you were |
| [00:58:14] | wagnerrp: | they would never be able to evacuate it in a fire |
| [00:58:24] | Hilikus: | oh ok, you scared me ;P |
| [00:58:27] | [R]: | Hilikus: and sd on an hd screen makes me cry at night |
| [00:58:36] | stuartm: | ostensibly the basis of any civil engineering project, you can't build a road on land that might be subject to landslides etc |
| [00:58:44] | Hilikus: | does these mobo hdmis carry audio as well or just video? |
| [00:58:47] | Hilikus: | do* |
| [00:58:53] | [R]: | Hilikus: depends on the chipset |
| [00:58:53] | bulle: | Hilikus: depends, some can cary both |
| [00:59:06] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: they built our library on unstable ground |
| [00:59:15] | wagnerrp: | their calculations said it would be fine |
| [00:59:18] | Hilikus: | my mobo manual doesn't say anythiong about it. how can i check? |
| [00:59:25] | wagnerrp: | but apparently they forgot to account for the weight of millions of books |
| [00:59:34] | stuartm: | heh |
| [00:59:37] | bulle: | Hilikus: 1) find out what chipset your motherboard uses 2) see if it supports audio over hdmi or not |
| [00:59:47] | [R]: | Hilikus: you can check by trying to use it |
| [00:59:49] | [R]: | Hilikus: :) |
| [00:59:58] | Hilikus: | hehe, i don;t have my tv yet |
| [01:00:13] | wagnerrp: | several years ago, they had to spend a ton of money shoring up the foundation |
| [01:01:10] | Tanthrix: | wagnerrp: Course, you never know whether that was a political decision. Often engineers are ignored despite their waving hands, as I'm sure you're well aware. |
| [01:01:27] | Tanthrix: | I mean, a couple of stiff O-rings, what could go wrong right? |
| [01:01:43] | wagnerrp: | the 16-story tower was supposed to be some marvel of construction, a single pour concrete building |
| [01:02:12] | wagnerrp: | no one realized that they wouldnt be able to keep the concrete trucks flowing during rush hour |
| [01:02:22] | Tanthrix: | heh |
| [01:02:39] | [R]: | at my school... they have this building that looks like a cat (we are the wildcats)... and the story goes that the architect promised never to use the design anywhere else... aparently he lied |
| [01:03:20] | wagnerrp: | as a result, the building is not straight |
| [01:03:27] | wagnerrp: | it was supposed to be the physics building |
| [01:03:27] | [R]: | wagnerrp: that's what she said? |
| [01:03:41] | wagnerrp: | they were supposed to have a vacuum shaft the entire height of the building |
| [01:04:11] | Hilikus: | [R]: its intel chipset. but what exactly am i looking for? northbridge or southbrigde chipset? |
| [01:04:11] | wagnerrp: | if you drop something on one side of the shaft, it will hit the opposite side before it reaches the bottom |
| [01:04:22] | wagnerrp: | they basically dont allow anyone above the 8th floor |
| [01:04:27] | [R]: | Hilikus: wherever the sound is |
| [01:04:27] | Tanthrix: | Jesus. That is bad. |
| [01:04:41] | [R]: | Hilikus: but w/o testing it... yo can't be sure |
| [01:04:43] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: what processor do you have? |
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| [01:05:12] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E6500 @ 2.93GHz |
| [01:05:36] | iamlindoro: | [R], U of A? |
| [01:05:40] | [R]: | iamlindoro: yup |
| [01:05:44] | wagnerrp: | so a core2, you wont have any problem with any content for myth |
| [01:05:46] | iamlindoro: | No good can come of that place |
| [01:05:53] | iamlindoro: | or Tucson, for that matter |
| [01:06:11] | iamlindoro: | And especially Manzanita Mohave |
| [01:06:14] | iamlindoro: | don't live there |
| [01:06:19] | [R]: | iamlindoro: not the ikky kentuky ones |
| [01:06:21] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: does myth support bd units? |
| [01:06:32] | [R]: | iamlindoro: haha... i ahted tucson... and lived in Coronado for 4 years |
| [01:06:34] | wagnerrp: | the shame of it is, were supposed to have this world renowned architecture and design school |
| [01:06:37] | iamlindoro: | or Scoradao |
| [01:06:41] | iamlindoro: | er Scoranado |
| [01:06:42] | wagnerrp: | and our buildings are f-d up like that |
| [01:06:44] | [R]: | iamlindoro: haha |
| [01:06:45] | stuartm: | Hilikus: only metric |
| [01:06:47] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: bd units? |
| [01:06:52] | [R]: | iamlindoro: did you go to the u of a? |
| [01:06:56] | Hilikus: | blueray units |
| [01:06:57] | iamlindoro: | Yep |
| [01:07:01] | [R]: | iamlindoro: when did you graduate? |
| [01:07:04] | wagnerrp: | bluray drives? |
| [01:07:06] | Hilikus: | drives |
| [01:07:07] | iamlindoro: | A long time ago ;) |
| [01:07:09] | Hilikus: | yes, sorry |
| [01:07:09] | [R]: | haha |
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| [01:07:20] | [R]: | iamlindoro: are you on the wikipedia entry for notable people who graduated from there? |
| [01:07:24] | [R]: | :P |
| [01:07:26] | wagnerrp: | yes, mythtv can play directly from bluray drives |
| [01:07:33] | iamlindoro: | Not yet, but the night is young |
| [01:07:40] | wagnerrp: | it can also play bluray folders stored to the hard drive |
| [01:07:51] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: when you do that, is the decoding still done by the CPU? |
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| [01:07:56] | stuartm: | [R], iamlindoro: it's wikipedia, you can add yourself |
| [01:08:00] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [01:08:04] | [R]: | stuartm: i think they frown upon that |
| [01:08:07] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: if you arent using VDPAU, yes |
| [01:08:27] | iamlindoro: | stuartm, You mean just like how I was elected first president of the united states after a machete battle with King George? |
| [01:09:11] | wagnerrp: | was it refereed by danny trejo? |
| [01:09:43] | iamlindoro: | sure, why not |
| [01:09:55] | Saviq is now known as Saviq_afk | |
| [01:10:45] | stuartm: | I vowed never to use wikipedia again after an admin reverted my changes because "XYZ is not notable" and when asked what constituted notable "It must appear in wikipedia" ... he just got angry when I pointed out the contradiction ... |
| [01:11:14] | wagnerrp: | xyz? |
| [01:11:46] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: I really don't remember what the change was about now, hence 'xyz' ;) |
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| [01:12:34] | [R]: | stuartm: that makes no sense... |
| [01:12:48] | stuartm: | [R]: exactly |
| [01:14:09] | stuartm: | but when you starting looking around you'll find countless examples of similarly inane decisions and self-defeating logic being employed by so-called editors and admins |
| [01:18:31] | stuartm: | how hard can it be to find a sample of music in wav format ... the time I've wasted trying |
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| [01:19:02] | stuartm: | should have just ripped a CD to wav from the beginning |
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| [02:21:52] | sphery: | wish someone who knows mythmusic would respond to Re: [mythtv-users] delete music database/scan for music and tell them how to empty the music database by scanning--rather than direct DB editing |
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| [02:27:14] | plut0: | there a channel for remote controls? |
| [02:27:33] | wagnerrp: | #lirc ? |
| [02:27:51] | plut0: | not the software, hardware chat |
| [02:28:10] | wagnerrp: | not sure what you mean |
| [02:29:11] | plut0: | trying to find the best remote for me |
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| [02:52:46] | Twiggy2cents: | Hey is it normal for there to be lag on the movie background banner/fanart thing in mythvideo. It seems like it takes 800ms or more to change when browsing |
| [02:52:55] | Twiggy2cents: | It is locally stored |
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| [02:56:05] | wagnerrp: | it is scaled, and stored in a local cache in your home directory |
| [02:56:18] | wagnerrp: | once the scaled image is cached, subsequently browsing should be much faster |
| [02:57:06] | [R]: | that's what she said |
| [03:00:05] | Twiggy2cents: | Does the cache clear with mythtv closes? |
| [03:00:16] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [03:00:19] | Twiggy2cents: | It seems quick, but nowhere near instantious |
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| [03:00:53] | wagnerrp: | the cache only clears when you switch to a new theme, or new resolution on the same theme, such that the old cached theme gets flushed |
| [03:02:18] | Twiggy2cents: | so should it be instantaneous after I have gone through them all? |
| [03:02:37] | clgshaft: | hey guys. if i have multiple tuner cards, do i need a source setup for each one? each input? |
| [03:02:58] | [R]: | clgshaft: you need a source for each set of channels |
| [03:03:05] | [R]: | clgshaft: if every tuner has the same channels, 1 source |
| [03:03:53] | clgshaft: | ok, so if i have a 2250 and a 950q, i just need to setup the one source for digital ota, as i cannot get anolog to work on either one |
| [03:04:17] | wagnerrp: | correct, just one digital source |
| [03:05:20] | clgshaft: | awsome thanks |
| [03:05:47] | clgshaft: | but i need to set an input priority for each, 2 for the 2250, and one for the 950Q |
| [03:05:56] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [03:06:43] | clgshaft: | i am trying to figure it out |
| [03:06:55] | clgshaft: | do i not set input priorities for any of them? |
| [03:07:04] | wagnerrp: | input priority is one of those things that should almost never be touched |
| [03:07:10] | clgshaft: | ok |
| [03:07:13] | clgshaft: | thnaks |
| [03:07:24] | wagnerrp: | basically, its for if you have a low quality tuner that you only want to use as a last resort |
| [03:07:31] | knightr: | |
| [03:07:31] | knightr: | clgsh |
| [03:07:48] | wagnerrp: | setting a low priority will mean that it will only be used if no other option exists |
| [03:07:51] | knightr: | clgshaft, you need input *groups* |
| [03:08:15] | wagnerrp: | mythtv may choose a later recording to get placed on a higher priority tuner |
| [03:08:51] | clgshaft: | ok, so i need inoput groups |
| [03:08:58] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [03:09:06] | knightr: | to make sure MythTV doesn't try to access the analog and digital part of the 2250... |
| [03:09:12] | wagnerrp: | input groups are if you have mutually exclusive inputs |
| [03:09:13] | ThisNewGuy1: | hey all – does anyone know if the Job Queue Window can cross days – e.g. if I start at 23:00 and end at 5:00 will that work? |
| [03:09:18] | clgshaft: | the analog part isnt working |
| [03:09:20] | knightr: | wagnerrp, for his 2250... |
| [03:09:21] | wagnerrp: | and if analog isnt working, you dont need to touch that yet |
| [03:09:34] | wagnerrp: | knightr: which he cant get working with the developmental drivers |
| [03:09:36] | clgshaft: | doesnt install on my kernel |
| [03:09:42] | wagnerrp: | what kernel? |
| [03:09:53] | clgshaft: | not sure |
| [03:10:22] | knightr: | wagnerrp, because he doesn't have the of the git repo of linuxtv, he has the old copy from kernellabs... |
| [03:10:29] | knightr: | uname -a |
| [03:10:45] | wagnerrp: | knightr: he cant, kernellabs is still down isnt it? |
| [03:10:56] | wagnerrp: | uname, thats what i was trying to remember |
| [03:11:22] | clgshaft: | i tried the one from kernel labs too, no go , same errors, kernel labs is up |
| [03:11:27] | wagnerrp: | uname -r would be more specific |
| [03:11:43] | knightr: | yep but Beirdo suggested getting the ones from LinuxTV but we don't get only the capture cards one, it looks like the NIC cards and the rest are in there... |
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| [03:12:13] | wagnerrp: | knightr: probably a side effect of developing using git |
| [03:12:29] | wagnerrp: | everything has to use the same directory structure, top to bottom |
| [03:12:35] | wagnerrp: | no mixing and matching |
| [03:12:46] | knightr: | wagnerrp, kinda looks like it, I don't think it was like that when they were still using mercurial... |
| [03:12:49] | clgshaft: | Linux mythtvmain 2.6.35-24-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Thu Dec 2 02:41:37 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| [03:13:03] | Beirdo: | the kernel has never used mercurial |
| [03:13:06] | wagnerrp: | .35 should be plenty new enough |
| [03:13:17] | Beirdo: | kernellabs did locally, but the kernel tree is git. |
| [03:13:36] | wagnerrp: | linuxtv also did locally |
| [03:13:37] | Beirdo: | that's what git was created for. |
| [03:13:43] | knightr: | he has undefined structs/functions (don't remember which one) with this kernel... |
| [03:13:58] | Beirdo: | yeah, some people have used hg. :) |
| [03:14:01] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: what kernel are you running for yours? |
| [03:14:14] | Beirdo: | Linux mythbe 2.6.34-rc1-jarod1 #6 SMP Sun Jul 4 14:59:12 PDT 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| [03:14:38] | Beirdo: | I grabbed a tree from jarod a while back, never bothered changing since |
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| [03:15:22] | wagnerrp: | so is kernellabs affiliated with linuxtv? |
| [03:15:37] | Beirdo: | but the hvr2250driver is the same one that's in the linuxtv tree I pointed out |
| [03:15:54] | knightr: | Beirdo, what do you do once you get the drivers from the (LinuxTV) repo you gave me? |
| [03:15:58] | Beirdo: | not directly that I know of... other than they wrote a large number of the drivers |
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| [03:16:17] | Beirdo: | that was an entire kernel tree |
| [03:16:21] | Beirdo: | AFAIK |
| [03:16:31] | Beirdo: | compile a kernel? :) |
| [03:16:34] | wagnerrp: | (because of requirements of git) |
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| [03:16:45] | knightr: | no other way that that to get newer drivers? |
| [03:16:54] | clgshaft: | well my 950q and 2250 are all working for digital ota |
| [03:16:55] | Beirdo: | not because of the requirements of git, because it's a kernel tree |
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| [03:17:08] | RomioTango: | i'm installing mythbuntu 10.10.. there's a new feature "Generate frontend restart mapping (Power followed by Clear)" Does anyone know what this does? |
| [03:17:28] | RomioTango: | does it allow you to restart the frontend by pressing Power + Clear? |
| [03:17:42] | wagnerrp: | something to ask (myth|u)buntu |
| [03:17:52] | babelfish1: | i've just upgraded to 10.10 and mythtv.24 (latter point likely unrelated) and my irblaster is no longer functioning. alas, irsend is producing NO error message, so i'm having trouble tracking down how to go about solving this, any ideas? |
| [03:18:27] | babelfish1: | i've googled around and a few others have had similar issues, though none of hte "fixes" listed seem to have helped, including installing lirc source |
| [03:18:37] | RomioTango: | babelfish1, easy idea would be to go thru mythbuntu control centre and disable remote then re-enable it |
| [03:18:39] | clgshaft: | so do i need to compile new drivers from git? |
| [03:18:39] | knightr: | Beirdo, any idea when those drivers will start appearing stock in current distros? |
| [03:18:49] | Beirdo: | no idea |
| [03:19:05] | RomioTango: | no idea if that'd work but that'd be my first tr |
| [03:19:06] | wagnerrp: | probably .38 |
| [03:19:06] | Beirdo: | whenever the tree's changes get pulled further upstream |
| [03:19:07] | RomioTango: | try* |
| [03:19:23] | knightr: | wagnerrp, ouch... |
| [03:19:38] | clgshaft: | so am i sol? |
| [03:19:49] | babelfish1: | romio- if that works... :) |
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| [03:20:43] | RomioTango: | babelfish1, let me know.. lol |
| [03:21:30] | knightr: | Beirdo, if we get the drivers from that repo and have the kernel source/headers, will they compile and work OK? (never had to do that before...) |
| [03:21:44] | Beirdo: | in theory, they should |
| [03:21:45] | RomioTango: | if that doesn't work unplug your device, plug it back in and run dmesg and see what it returns as the last few events.. see if its even seeing the device |
| [03:22:20] | babelfish1: | dmesg has had precrious littler, other than to say that lirc_serial has loaded |
| [03:22:25] | Beirdo: | after all, I used a kernel source tree from Jarod, and then the drivers from kernellabs :) |
| [03:22:27] | babelfish1: | precious little to say* |
| [03:22:50] | knightr: | ah, thought you had done it... |
| [03:23:03] | knightr: | thanks! |
| [03:23:03] | RomioTango: | babelfish1, so i take it the mythbuntu control centre idea was no dice? |
| [03:23:04] | Beirdo: | I built the kernels and drivers myself |
| [03:23:09] | babelfish1: | though after installing ht elirc-source package, it also added that the active high receiver "usually means that there is no receiver attached to the port" |
| [03:23:18] | babelfish1: | well, it's current greyed out, trying to disable the blaster |
| [03:23:30] | Beirdo: | so it should be possible, just take a bit of time :) |
| [03:23:30] | babelfish1: | i can't say i'm encouraged by how long it's taking |
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| [03:24:00] | RomioTango: | babelfish1, maybe try running it as root? |
| [03:24:03] | RomioTango: | via term |
| [03:24:12] | babelfish1: | running control center or dmesg? |
| [03:24:36] | knightr: | BTW, the kernellabs site is back up but the drivers there won't compile with his kernel (we tried with a copy I had here)... |
| [03:24:44] | RomioTango: | control centre but is it dmesg that's taking time? |
| [03:24:52] | babelfish1: | no, it's cc that is |
| [03:24:59] | Beirdo: | oh? |
| [03:25:08] | babelfish1: | was just making sure we were on the same page |
| [03:25:19] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'm gonna watch some TV ;) |
| [03:25:28] | Beirdo: | then maybe work on my MUD code some |
| [03:25:29] | knightr: | good night Beirdo! |
| [03:25:46] | RomioTango: | ohh ok. what is it that you did exactly babelfish1? upgrade your system to 10.10? |
| [03:26:31] | babelfish1: | i did in fact upgrade to 10.10 |
| [03:26:54] | babelfish1: | i figured there had been 2 months to work out the bugs, i'm never smart enough to be sufficiently pessimistic :) |
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| [03:35:46] | aclonedsheep: | i just bought a foxconn nettop for a htpc :D |
| [03:36:04] | bindi: | :> |
| [03:36:22] | wagnerrp: | that was probably a poor choice |
| [03:36:33] | aclonedsheep: | wagner really? I could still return it? |
| [03:36:47] | wagnerrp: | got any meaningful specs on it? |
| [03:37:04] | aclonedsheep: | yeah its NVIDIA ion |
| [03:37:45] | wagnerrp: | thats not as bad, but still not recommended if you intend to run a backend on it |
| [03:38:07] | aclonedsheep: | 2gb ram , and a 7200rpm 3.0gb/s hdd |
| [03:38:33] | aclonedsheep: | hmm, ill have to fix my main desktop too soon |
| [03:39:06] | aclonedsheep: | its pretty fubard tho , ill see how this handles stuff I guess |
| [03:46:12] | wagnerrp: | bah... seems my channels have been re-ordered |
| [03:46:23] | wagnerrp: | or at least ABC was moved |
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| [04:23:59] | tmkt: | Quick q: just put my vdpau card back into my system |
| [04:24:09] | tmkt: | haven't tried in in months with myth until today |
| [04:24:13] | tmkt: | same problem as before |
| [04:24:17] | tmkt: | the preview i get on the guide page |
| [04:24:28] | tmkt: | instead of showing a scaled version of the channel |
| [04:24:37] | tmkt: | it shows a cropped version |
| [04:25:07] | [R]: | i get that if the guide opens with livetv |
| [04:25:10] | [R]: | but if i close and reopen |
| [04:25:11] | [R]: | its fine |
| [04:25:30] | tmkt: | ? |
| [04:25:32] | tmkt: | thats what i mean |
| [04:25:36] | tmkt: | the livetv in the guide |
| [04:25:38] | [R]: | sounds like a bug |
| [04:25:41] | tmkt: | is top right corner |
| [04:25:43] | tmkt: | of the video |
| [04:25:49] | tmkt: | rather then a scaled version of the video |
| [04:25:54] | tmkt: | like i get when i don't do vdpau |
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| [05:01:42] | wagnerrp: | dirty clone, taking my name... |
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| [06:28:10] | clgshaft: | wagnerrp, am i able to upgrade my kernel to make the 2250 work? |
| [06:28:32] | wagnerrp: | seems you should be able to get it working with your existing kernel |
| [06:28:42] | clgshaft: | ok, how? |
| [06:28:43] | wagnerrp: | bei rdo said he was still using 2.6.34 and using it |
| [06:29:04] | clgshaft: | ok so why does it error when i try to install? |
| [06:29:13] | wagnerrp: | cant answer that |
| [06:29:40] | clgshaft: | ok |
| [06:36:23] | clever: | i recently discovered my kernel headers where 2.6.30 but the kernel itself was 2.6.36, thats why i had trouble using 2.6.31 features |
| [06:36:59] | clever: | i think it was partialy gentoo at fault, but a binary distro could do the same thing if the dependencies arent setup just right |
| [06:39:07] | clgshaft: | how do i check that? |
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| [06:40:45] | clever: | clgshaft: which distro? |
| [06:49:42] | clgshaft: | ubuntu 10.10 |
| [06:54:45] | clever: | dpkg -l|grep `uname -r` |
| [06:54:51] | clever: | clgshaft: put it on a pastebin |
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| [06:58:36] | clgshaft: | ii linux-headers-2.6.35-24-generic 2.6.35–24.42 Linux kernel headers for version 2.6.35 on x86/x86_64 |
| [06:58:38] | clgshaft: | ii linux-image-2.6.35-24-generic 2.6.35–24.42 Linux kernel image for version 2.6.35 on x86/x86_64 |
| [06:58:45] | clgshaft: | is that considered a flood? |
| [07:01:16] | clever: | looks like you have both the headers and binary for the running kernel, so its not the problem i had |
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| [08:02:22] | zoran119: | i have 2 input connections defined in mythtv-setup but i get 3 show up in 'switch input' menu when watching tv, and 4 tuners listed in mythweb |
| [08:02:32] | zoran119: | what could be wrong? |
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| [08:21:40] | hipitihop: | I'm based in Australia, is there any internet tv stuff that integrates well yet ? |
| [08:23:45] | hipitihop: | e.g. if I wanted to see something from ntv7.com |
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| [09:04:48] | zoran119: | why does myth have input groups? |
| [09:05:20] | zoran119: | i have two tuners (well one card with dual tuners) and each has been put into it's own group... |
| [09:05:29] | zoran119: | i think this is causing me problems... |
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| [09:24:21] | clever: | how would i go about getting svn revision 24115 of the plugins, it looks like the svn repo is down now so i'm guessing i need to extract it from git |
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| [09:39:48] | Beirdo: | no it's not down, just read-only |
| [09:40:12] | Beirdo: | why would you want that specific version? |
| [09:40:34] | Beirdo: | [24115] |
| [09:40:34] | MythLogBot: | SVN 24115: (branch fixes/0.23) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/fe3b2f11 |
| [09:40:39] | Beirdo: | BTW |
| [09:41:09] | zoran119: | how do delete an input connection? there is no delete option... delete key doesn't work... d key doesn't work..? |
| [09:43:09] | clever: | zoran119: try m |
| [09:43:46] | clever: | Beirdo: odd, svn update gave me an error last time, but this time it actualy gives a usefull msg |
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| [09:45:40] | zoran119: | clever: m doesn't work |
| [09:45:49] | clever: | zoran119: dont know them |
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| [09:46:46] | clever: | Beirdo: as for why, i'm trying to get plugins working now on my old fe/be, the master's alsa and qt are now too old for trunk |
| [09:47:02] | Beirdo: | ah. |
| [09:47:21] | clever: | its qt 4.4 (not 4.5) and the alsa went incompatible long before qt |
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| [09:47:51] | zoran119: | i have two input connections (TV1 and TV2)... but when watching tv and going to 'change input' i have TV1, TV2 and another TV2 |
| [09:48:01] | zoran119: | saw it once with two TV1 and one TV2 |
| [09:48:05] | zoran119: | weird... |
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| [09:50:02] | zoran119: | now there is only tv1... |
| [09:51:14] | Gumby: | hi all. is it possible in 0.23 to define multiple music directories? I have tried /xxxx/yyyyy:/xxxx/zzzz but this does not seem to work |
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| [10:16:03] | quicksilver: | zoran119: DVB-T ? |
| [10:17:09] | zoran119: | quicksilver: yes |
| [10:18:14] | zoran119: | 0.24 i should mention |
| [10:18:19] | quicksilver: | zoran119: because of the fact you can simultaneously record more than one channel from a multiplex |
| [10:18:24] | quicksilver: | each tuner shows up as two tuners |
| [10:18:39] | quicksilver: | so the scheduler knows you can watch one + record one, or record two, etc. |
| [10:19:12] | zoran119: | i understand that... it's one pci card showing up as two tuners in /dev/dvb... |
| [10:19:16] | zoran119: | but |
| [10:19:45] | zoran119: | i set up two input connections in mythtv-setup... (which i cannot delete now) |
| [10:20:07] | zoran119: | and the frontend shows 3 inputs (when i go to change input menu) |
| [10:20:28] | zoran119: | and the mythfront end shows four encoders! |
| [10:20:48] | zoran119: | each real one is repeated |
| [10:21:07] | zoran119: | i don't have that many inputs... |
| [10:28:30] | quicksilver: | as I said, zoran119 |
| [10:28:35] | quicksilver: | each tuner is duplicated. |
| [10:28:39] | quicksilver: | each real tuner will show up twice. |
| [10:28:55] | quicksilver: | because of the ability to record more than one chan from a single mux |
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| [10:35:51] | zoran119: | so you are saying that my leadtek 2000ds can record 4 channels at once? |
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| [10:40:53] | balor: | What does "Waited 100ms for video buffers LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUuAu" mean? There seem to be several bug reports about it, but I don't see an explaination of the issue. |
| [10:42:11] | quicksilver: | zoran119: more than that |
| [10:42:16] | quicksilver: | zoran119: around 20, actually. |
| [10:42:25] | quicksilver: | zoran119: but mythtv will only ever do at most 4, AFAIK. |
| [10:43:41] | zoran119: | quicksilver: whaaat!!! that sounds awesome... will have to try it out... but with one card? i find it hard to believe |
| [10:44:02] | quicksilver: | zoran119: it's how DVB-T works. |
| [10:44:11] | quicksilver: | multiple channels multiplexed onto a single signal. |
| [10:44:28] | quicksilver: | mythtv can record 2 channels per tuner, assuming they are both on the same mux. |
| [10:44:49] | zoran119: | quicksilver: cool... i will give a go in about half an hour |
| [10:44:56] | zoran119: | quicksilver: thanks for the info |
| [10:45:07] | zoran119: | i do have another question tho... |
| [10:45:36] | zoran119: | if i am watching someting on input connection called tv1 |
| [10:46:05] | zoran119: | and there is a recording coming up (or a recording just initiated from mythweb) |
| [10:46:27] | zoran119: | it will try to use the tuner on which i am wathcing tv |
| [10:47:05] | zoran119: | it changes channel automatically, brings up messages counting down time... |
| [10:47:18] | zoran119: | why doesn't it just just the next available free tuner? |
| [10:49:35] | quicksilver: | there have been arguments about that ;) |
| [10:49:41] | hashbang: | happy new year, all |
| [10:49:44] | quicksilver: | I think the answer is that not all tuners are equal |
| [10:49:53] | quicksilver: | and the assumption is that the 'earlier' ones are 'better' |
| [10:50:03] | quicksilver: | (you might have HD and SD access to the same channels, for example) |
| [10:50:28] | quicksilver: | so the recording scheduler will *always* use the 'best' available tuner |
| [10:50:34] | hashbang: | zoran119: you can switch the tuner that you're using to watch live TV. Key is Y, I think. |
| [10:50:43] | quicksilver: | there is/was a workaround to always make live TV use the 'worst' available tuner |
| [10:50:49] | quicksilver: | to make this happen less often. |
| [10:50:54] | zoran119: | but i have to do that every time... |
| [10:51:02] | zoran119: | fair enough... it's not a problem |
| [10:51:14] | hashbang: | zoran119: just record everything you're vaguely interested in, then the problem doesn't arise. :-) |
| [10:51:41] | hashbang: | zoran119: it's a meme of #mythtv-users that once you're using MythTV, you stop watching live TV. |
| [10:51:42] | zoran119: | i'm not annoyed that it pops up a message telling me that a recording is comming up |
| [10:52:15] | zoran119: | it has a coundown with an option to start the recording and go to the main menu |
| [10:52:26] | zoran119: | the problem is that this has never worked for me |
| [10:52:40] | zoran119: | i pick that option and the recording does not ahpped |
| [10:52:42] | zoran119: | *happen |
| [10:52:54] | zoran119: | i need to test a bit more tho... |
| [10:54:12] | quicksilver: | ok that is a bit odd; that option definitely works for me |
| [10:55:11] | hashbang: | can anyone confirm whether or not the nVidia GT240 can output 15KHz signals? I can do it with an 440MX and the 96.43.07 driver, but don't get a picture with the same xorg.conf, a GT240 and 260.19.29 or 256.53 driver. |
| [10:55:34] | zoran119: | so, when it starts counting down from 30 seconds and you pick that option, do you wait a bit before you go back to watch live tv? |
| [10:55:59] | quicksilver: | zoran119: a minute or so, yes |
| [10:56:08] | zoran119: | ok |
| [10:56:13] | zoran119: | will play a bit more |
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| [11:09:45] | zoran119: | quicksilver: two inputs out of the four don't record... there is no file (size is B, ie. no number before B symbol) |
| [11:10:48] | zoran119: | no... one is not.. |
| [11:10:52] | zoran119: | i'm so confused |
| [11:11:07] | zoran119: | three are recording and i want to use the fourth to watch tv |
| [11:11:41] | zoran119: | but up and down keys only scroll through three channels rather than all of them |
| [11:12:40] | dannyboy1121: | Hello folks – just a quicky. Is it best to a have a client server model for MythTV all over the house – or can I get away with connecting the MythTV server to my main TV – whilst using it to stream to other clients? |
| [11:13:28] | Saviq: | dannyboy1121: your choice, it doesn't really matter from myth side |
| [11:13:53] | Saviq: | but remember that the backend needs to run almost 24/7 depending on the amount of recordings |
| [11:14:01] | Saviq: | might not be viable to have it in your living room |
| [11:14:33] | dannyboy1121: | Saviq – appreciated – just wanted to check it was viable .. many thanks |
| [11:14:39] | Saviq: | I prefer thin clients near TVs |
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| [11:18:06] | zoran119: | how do i use key 'c' to change inputs? |
| [11:18:21] | zoran119: | i press it and i just get the name of my current input up on the screen |
| [11:18:33] | zoran119: | i don't see how to change it tho |
| [11:18:49] | Saviq: | press again |
| [11:19:03] | Saviq: | or use the menu under 'M' |
| [11:19:32] | quicksilver: | zoran119: yes, because you can only view other channels on the same mux. |
| [11:19:42] | quicksilver: | (w.r.t three channels rather than all) |
| [11:20:27] | zoran119: | quicksilver: ok... i think i'm getting hang of it... i don't know which channels are on the same mux... it's a bit complex... but cool |
| [11:21:04] | zoran119: | Saviq: i keep pressing c and nothing happens |
| [11:23:06] | Saviq: | zoran119: do you have the inputs visible under the 'M' menu |
| [11:23:33] | k-man: | something is wrong with my subtitles, they are rendering mostly ok, but lower case m seems to be too big for the space, and looks like an r |
| [11:23:53] | k-man: | a few other letters seem to exhibit the same problem |
| [11:23:59] | zoran119: | Saviq: i do |
| [11:24:10] | Saviq: | k-man: tried changing the font? |
| [11:24:48] | k-man: | no, didn't realise you could |
| [11:24:51] | k-man: | where to you set it? |
| [11:25:17] | Saviq: | settings / tv / playback or similar |
| [11:28:18] | zoran119: | what is this: SG(Default) Error: Unable to find any Storage Group Directories. Using hardcoded default value of '/mnt/store' |
| [11:28:29] | zoran119: | there are storage group directories |
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| [11:31:57] | hashbang: | zoran119: you can split your recordings over multiple directories grouped into a "storage group" |
| [11:32:28] | hashbang: | zoran119: this allows you to combine multiple mount points/discs into a single recording area without having to use LVM or md to stripe them. |
| [11:34:04] | zoran119: | hashbang: my live tv is ok... but there recordings fail because apparantly there is nowhere to store them |
| [11:34:22] | hashbang: | zoran119: you need to define a Live TV storage group |
| [11:34:26] | Saviq: | zoran119: do you have a storage group for recordings defined? |
| [11:34:39] | hashbang: | zoran119: otherwise, apparently, it'll default to /mnt/store, which I guess doesn't exist on your system |
| [11:35:59] | zoran119: | Saviq: no... i have livetc, db backups, vides, trailers, coverart, fanart, screeshots and banners |
| [11:36:13] | Saviq: | zoran119: that's your problem |
| [11:36:30] | zoran119: | default storage group doesn't point to anyting either... |
| [11:36:46] | zoran119: | Saviq: should i make a new one? what should it be called? |
| [11:36:51] | Saviq: | "Store" |
| [11:37:05] | Saviq: | or use "Default" |
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| [11:39:24] | zoran119: | awesome!!! |
| [11:39:32] | zoran119: | thank you so much! you people rule! |
| [11:39:42] | zoran119: | i wish i'll be able to help one day |
| [11:39:52] | hashbang: | zoran119: we count on it. :-) |
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| [11:51:11] | zoran119: | thanks for your help everyone! |
| [11:51:25] | zoran119: | i'm sure i'll be back tomorrow with more questions! |
| [11:55:08] | balor: | I wonder if my "Waited 100ms for video buffers" is due to the system bus being too slow |
| [12:01:41] | clever: | found an interesting bug |
| [12:01:55] | clever: | the distcc/ccache config cant be changed for plugins compiles |
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| [13:03:21] | AlVal: | would 2 of these http://www.tbsdtv.com/english/product/QBoxS2CI.html place more load on a system cpu/gpu than one of these http://www.tbsdtv.com/english/product/6990.html |
| [13:04:11] | AlVal: | if usb isn't an inferior solution, then ill be able to build my solution in a small case, otherwise ill have to go micro-itx cube size case to take the pci-e |
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| [13:08:12] | dapper-daniel: | hi! |
| [13:08:24] | dapper-daniel: | i have problems with iptv |
| [13:08:34] | dapper-daniel: | i have a m3u playlist file |
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| [13:08:47] | dapper-daniel: | but scanning for channels just doesnt work |
| [13:09:09] | dapper-daniel: | the same m3u file works with vlc perfect |
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| [13:17:41] | hashbang: | AlVal: it depends on the architecture; a lot of PCI tuner cards are actually USB tuners attached to an internal PCI/USB bridge (e.g. Hauppauge Nova-T-500) |
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| [13:18:22] | hashbang: | AlVal: recording DVB is a fairly low-CPU job, since it's pretty much just grabbing MPEG frames out of a stream |
| [13:18:50] | AlVal: | hashbang: yes, i thought as much, but this comment on the vendor page made me wonder |
| [13:19:18] | AlVal: | "Q-Box uses computer CPU for MPEG decoding" |
| [13:19:29] | AlVal: | http://www.tbsdtv.com/english/product/QBox.html |
| [13:19:46] | hashbang: | AlVal: Heh. In that case, I wouldn't worry – the PCIe card will too! |
| [13:20:30] | AlVal: | and it won't be eating up any more "usb bandwidth" than the pcie card would? |
| [13:21:12] | AlVal: | im happy to go usb if theres little difference, cause like i say, it means i can have an awesome small case that will vesa mount http://www.mini-box.com/M350-universal-mini-itx-enclosure |
| [13:21:33] | hashbang: | AlVal: well, video is quite a lot of data for a shared 480Mbps bus like USB2... |
| [13:21:49] | hashbang: | AlVal: PCIe has more headroom |
| [13:21:51] | AlVal: | that was my gut thought? |
| [13:22:03] | AlVal: | that usb bandwidth, especially when im having 2x tuners |
| [13:22:06] | hashbang: | AlVal: but they'll both hit the southbridge sooner or later, IIRC |
| [13:22:15] | AlVal: | (the pci-e model has two tuners on one pci-e card) |
| [13:22:50] | hashbang: | AlVal: All things being equal, I'd probably be inclined to go with the PCIe |
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| [13:23:45] | AlVal: | maybe i should abandon the idea of both dvb-t2 and dvb-s2 in one little box then! |
| [13:23:56] | AlVal: | i was planning if possible to squeeze this in also http://shop.blackgold.tv/epages/BT3159.sf/en_ . . . ucts/BGT3620 |
| [13:24:08] | AlVal: | might be total overload on the system bus |
| [13:25:36] | hashbang: | AlVal: if it's a half-decent chipset, DVB shouldn't be too much |
| [13:25:50] | AlVal: | nvidia 9300 onboard |
| [13:26:03] | AlVal: | http://www.zotacusa.com/zotac-geforce-gf9300- . . . erboard.html |
| [13:26:26] | AlVal: | with a middle of the range core duo cpu |
| [13:26:58] | hashbang: | AlVal: I've got a Nova-T and a Nova-T-500 (so 3 physical tuners, 6 virtual) on an i845PE board that used to run a Celeron 1.7 |
| [13:27:25] | hashbang: | AlVal: DVB is dwarfed by Ethernet; if it can act as a router/firewall... |
| [13:28:13] | AlVal: | didnt get you at first, but have re-read – it's sunk in now :D |
| [13:28:18] | AlVal: | makes sense |
| [13:28:50] | hashbang: | I'm not sure off-hand what the DVB-{T,S}2 bitrates are, but I don't think they're that much higher than DVB-{T,S} |
| [13:28:51] | AlVal: | ill forget the pci-e so i can use that sweet little case and vesa mount the whole thing on the back of tv |
| [13:29:09] | AlVal: | and take my chances with 2x of those usb dvb-s2 tuners |
| [13:29:24] | hashbang: | AlVal: what are the prices like? |
| [13:29:30] | AlVal: | for which bit |
| [13:30:00] | hashbang: | both the TBS devices? |
| [13:31:10] | AlVal: | US$70–90 |
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| [13:31:19] | AlVal: | for their usb ones |
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| [13:32:01] | AlVal: | $140 for dual dvb-s2 pci-e |
| [13:32:18] | hashbang: | OK, so not really any cheaper to get the PCIe |
| [13:33:09] | AlVal: | yeah, for me its more about the case |
| [13:33:33] | AlVal: | because without the pcie i can use a really slim case http://www.mini-box.com/M350-universal-mini-itx-enclosure |
| [13:34:08] | hashbang: | AlVal: lots of passive cooling! Just keep kiddies and paperclips away! |
| [13:35:01] | AlVal: | well i guess what i gain by the slim case, I lose in that i have messy usb boxes and extra wiring dangling about |
| [13:35:22] | AlVal: | so might be worth accepting that I should go pci-e , and getting a cube shaped case |
| [13:35:48] | hashbang: | I've not cared too much about the aesthetics |
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| [13:36:26] | hashbang: | my current mythbox is in a beige codegen ATX-9001 case |
| [13:36:29] | AlVal: | well i have to justify the spend to the missus |
| [13:36:35] | AlVal: | hence some kind of shiny cute box required |
| [13:36:58] | hashbang: | my new one is in a black Antec NSK6582, so a slight improvement. :-) |
| [13:37:05] | hashbang: | heh, WAF |
| [13:37:36] | hashbang: | that blackgold DVB-T2 card doesn't seem to have non-Windows drivers (yet?) |
| [13:38:04] | AlVal: | yeah, dvb-t2 is an interesting story.. |
| [13:38:14] | AlVal: | was rushed out across europe in time for the world cup |
| [13:38:26] | AlVal: | so tv manufacturers got priority with chipset makers |
| [13:38:30] | ** hashbang facepalms ** | |
| [13:38:34] | AlVal: | so thats why pci cards are late on the scene |
| [13:39:02] | AlVal: | and not sure if theres been much collaboration with the linux dudes who do the support for new video chipsets like that |
| [13:39:16] | AlVal: | so might be a while before there's any linux support for dvb-t2 |
| [13:39:30] | AlVal: | im not even sure how many chipset manufacturers there are, and who they are |
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| [13:40:00] | hashbang: | yup, justinh has said similar things in the past |
| [13:40:13] | AlVal: | so ill probably hold off on the dvb-t2 a little, but need to consider it as something i might want to integrate soon |
| [13:40:20] | hashbang: | AlVal: same here |
| [13:40:26] | AlVal: | you in us? |
| [13:40:28] | AlVal: | europe? |
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| [13:40:44] | hashbang: | AlVal: My new mythbox has a GT240 for VDPAU, but I don't need it yet. But it'll be handy for doing HD later. |
| [13:40:49] | hashbang: | AlVal: Bristol, UK |
| [13:41:01] | AlVal: | ah, your local transmitter broadcasting freeview hd yet? |
| [13:41:12] | AlVal: | mine (sandy heath) switches over in march |
| [13:41:14] | hashbang: | AlVal: yup, I think we have one HD multiplex now |
| [13:41:25] | AlVal: | the buggers are using the whole bandwidth though |
| [13:41:41] | hashbang: | I don't have a HD display, though, so not too bothered for now. |
| [13:42:01] | AlVal: | so you need a crappy wideband jack-of-all-trades(freqs)-master-of-none to get all the required muxes |
| [13:42:18] | AlVal: | aerial i mean |
| [13:42:37] | AlVal: | rather than one thats optimised/tuned for a specifix mux freq range |
| [13:43:13] | AlVal: | i already have sat dish with plenty of lnb feeds, only thinking dvb-t2 to add the few extra chans that it has |
| [13:43:20] | AlVal: | (dave, and whatever else thats not on freesat) |
| [13:43:31] | AlVal: | adds quite a bit of complexity though, combining both into one epg etc |
| [13:43:39] | hashbang: | gradual migration usually has many disadvantages to 'big bang' switchovers |
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| [13:44:11] | hashbang: | what's on T2 that isn't also on S2 (or, for that matter, T?) |
| [13:44:17] | AlVal: | even long term they plan to use the whole wideband, have muxes scattered all the way across |
| [13:44:23] | AlVal: | umm, that crappy channel dave |
| [13:44:34] | AlVal: | and a few others (cant find a comparison list?) |
| [13:44:50] | AlVal: | ill probably end up spending a fortune just to get the combined solution fully done |
| [13:45:08] | AlVal: | but in my head, i just want to be able to psychologically tell myself im grabbing all the free channels out there |
| [13:45:21] | AlVal: | and have the ability to remove/reorder how they're listed |
| [13:45:49] | hashbang: | maybe your (or your missus') viewing habits differ, but BBC4, BBC2, Ch4, E4, FilmFour, BBC3, BBC1 and you've pretty much got everything worth having |
| [13:45:52] | hashbang: | :-) |
| [13:45:58] | AlVal: | without having to suffer the forced epg order from freesat |
| [13:46:15] | AlVal: | its true. i might watch the odd top gear repeat on dave |
| [13:46:18] | AlVal: | if nothing on those chans |
| [13:46:31] | AlVal: | that fairly new one on satellite "viva" which is free is pretty ok |
| [13:46:40] | AlVal: | seems to show some old mtv shows, like cribs and whatnot |
| [13:47:23] | hashbang: | then again, my OH is addicted to 24, CSI*, NCIS... :-) |
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| [13:50:54] | AlVal: | i mostly find decent tv series , download and watch at my own convenience |
| [13:51:07] | AlVal: | to avoid advertising brainwashing |
| [13:51:14] | hashbang: | heh |
| [13:51:29] | AlVal: | legend of the seeker was a good us one |
| [13:51:32] | hashbang: | I just press the skip button 8 or 10 times. :-) |
| [13:51:40] | AlVal: | skip button? |
| [13:51:43] | hashbang: | shame commflagging doesn't work too well on UK ads |
| [13:51:54] | hashbang: | (or it didn't, anyway) |
| [13:52:07] | AlVal: | i saw some comment about mythtv having some anti-ad ability |
| [13:52:19] | hashbang: | AlVal: yup, "commflagging" |
| [13:52:25] | AlVal: | community? |
| [13:52:30] | AlVal: | users press when ads come one? |
| [13:52:31] | AlVal: | on |
| [13:52:34] | hashbang: | AlVal: I think all the devs for it are US based. comm for commercial. |
| [13:53:47] | AlVal: | how does it recognise the ads? |
| [13:54:06] | hashbang: | AlVal: various algorithms; fading to black etc. |
| [13:54:09] | Crys: | AlVal: Yeah, the series was good although it didn't have much in common with the books. |
| [13:54:32] | AlVal: | Crys: haha i thought noone but me watched it |
| [13:54:51] | AlVal: | white collar, burn notice, dexter, true blood |
| [13:54:52] | hashbang: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Commercial_detection_in_the_UK |
| [13:55:06] | AlVal: | cool, ill have a read |
| [13:55:13] | Crys: | AlVal: The Sword of Truth books were my first English novels 12 years ago. |
| [13:55:24] | AlVal: | it's not your primary language? |
| [13:55:31] | Crys: | AlVal: I'm German |
| [13:56:01] | AlVal: | cool, ive always wanted to go |
| [13:56:22] | AlVal: | but the locals would run rings around me on the nordschleife |
| [13:56:42] | AlVal: | (id be basing a visit around the nurburgring!) |
| [13:56:53] | Crys: | AlVal: Dexter for sure! I've a setup with two LNBs, the second one targets Astra 2 for BBC and other UK channels: Doctor Who, IT Crowd, Life on Mars etc. |
| [13:57:17] | AlVal: | big dish? |
| [13:57:29] | AlVal: | watch out for a uk one called "the misfits" |
| [13:57:35] | AlVal: | actually i think its just "misfits" |
| [13:57:44] | Crys: | AlVal: I know the area very well. I went to school about 50km from the Nürburgring |
| [13:58:08] | AlVal: | its excellent, and if you like UK humour, like the IT crowd, and the inbetweeners, youd like misfits |
| [13:58:20] | AlVal: | the inbetweeners is one of the funniest programs ever |
| [13:58:41] | Crys: | Not so big since I life at the West end of Germany |
| [13:59:15] | AlVal: | ah, I've been wondering whether i should get a second dish |
| [13:59:20] | Crys: | It's an 80cm offset dish |
| [13:59:26] | AlVal: | seeing as mythtv and my new setup will be diseq compatible |
| [13:59:37] | hashbang: | AlVal: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Silence-detect.sh looks neat; will try this myself in due course |
| [13:59:49] | AlVal: | but not sure whether there's anything worth pointing at, whether there's many english worthwhile channels on the other satellites |
| [13:59:55] | Crys: | A 60cm dish should be enough for Astra 2 here |
| [14:00:22] | AlVal: | hashbang: you tried using silence break? |
| [14:00:41] | AlVal: | oh sorry, you said.. |
| [14:01:11] | AlVal: | i think since nagravision 3 is out, its not worthwhile |
| [14:01:32] | AlVal: | trying to use hacks with CI cam cards (diablo etc) to crack european satellite feeds |
| [14:01:44] | AlVal: | i heard they're all moving to nagra 3 |
| [14:03:37] | ikevin-: | hi |
| [14:03:46] | ikevin-: | i try to setup a theme for myth |
| [14:04:08] | AlVal: | so that used to be a big reason people pointed extra dishes at satellites other than astra, other than that illegal use, im not sure what free-to-view/free-to-air english language stuff there is on hotbird and the other sats, whether its worth an extra dish |
| [14:04:16] | ikevin-: | i would in the music-ui to have the "play" button "enabled" while starting to play |
| [14:04:46] | ikevin-: | if i use "play" button on my IR controler, no problem, so, if i've an autoplay the icon is disabled |
| [14:05:15] | ikevin-: | anyone know which "function" i need to use in the template to have the button enabled when auto play is enabled? |
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| [14:33:06] | tmkt: | Morning |
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| [14:35:25] | tmkt: | put a Nvidia VDPAU supported card into my system last night...works great, other then when viewing the guide |
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| [14:35:36] | tmkt: | instead of the live tv scaling |
| [14:35:52] | tmkt: | it just displays the top right corner of the video |
| [14:36:05] | tmkt: | like the guide is just covering up the rest of the display |
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| [15:03:40] | skd5aner: | tmkt: I've noticed that on occasion too |
| [15:04:12] | skd5aner: | tmkt: I believe I've seen it do both, scale and not scale... but haven't really looked at it that closely |
| [15:04:33] | skd5aner: | not sure if it has to do with source content or not |
| [15:05:04] | skd5aner: | does it scale properly if you don't use VDPAU? |
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| [15:05:17] | tmkt: | Yeah |
| [15:05:22] | tmkt: | on the old ATI card |
| [15:05:26] | tmkt: | that i was using |
| [15:05:30] | skd5aner: | same version of MythTV? |
| [15:05:31] | tmkt: | if i went to the guide |
| [15:05:34] | tmkt: | yup |
| [15:05:37] | skd5aner: | what version? |
| [15:05:38] | tmkt: | just swapped out cards yesterday |
| [15:05:42] | tmkt: | 0.24 |
| [15:05:45] | skd5aner: | I've noticed this on 0.24-fixes myself |
| [15:05:50] | skd5aner: | but I think I saw it on 0.23 too |
| [15:05:50] | tmkt: | but it was a problem i was having 6 months ago |
| [15:05:56] | tmkt: | which is why i took the vdpau card out |
| [15:06:21] | tmkt: | so i put the vdpau card back in hoping that it was solved now |
| [15:06:23] | tmkt: | and same issue |
| [15:06:40] | tmkt: | the ATI card..the live tv scales in the top right corner of the guide listing(arclight theme) |
| [15:06:46] | skd5aner: | well, it's such a small thing to worry about that the benefits of VDPAU outweigh the negative of the guide covering 70% of the screen in Live TV |
| [15:07:05] | tmkt: | yeah |
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| [15:07:14] | tmkt: | but still would like to get it to work |
| [15:07:28] | tmkt: | then tackle why pip is only showing the same source..and why pbp disapeared on me |
| [15:07:54] | tmkt: | but that is the next issue..a guy i work with thought it might be due to my rendering engine selection |
| [15:07:56] | skd5aner: | You could submit a bug report, mention what caused it, and that you confirmed with another user in IRC that it was happening to them too – but I haven't spent hardly any time trying to troubleshoot it myself, so I didn't know it was affecting just VDPAU |
| [15:08:32] | tmkt: | yeah..can't seem to find the right keywords to search for to see if anyone else is having this problem |
| [15:08:43] | skd5aner: | If the intended behavior is to always scale, and it does so in other rendorers, but not always in VDPAU, then that's a bug |
| [15:08:49] | tmkt: | tried vdpau live tv not scaling, vdpau live tv cropped in guide view |
| [15:09:24] | skd5aner: | er, renderers |
| [15:12:50] | tmkt: | other reason for taking the vdpau card out was due to the fan noise |
| [15:13:07] | tmkt: | but its back in there..seems the onboard ati has been causing my system to lock up hard for the last month |
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| [15:24:22] | ThisNewGuy1: | Hey all – does anyone know how myth chooses which backend to execute a job on? That is, can I have it default to a machine other than the one that recorded the show? |
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| [15:36:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hehehehe... I broke down and bought a new Mb/CPU/Ram setup for my MythTV Backend... a bit crazy... Athlon II X4 640 (3GHz Quad-Core) — 8GB DDR3 1333 Ram — Gigabyte GA-880GA-UD3H motherboard: http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3628#ov ;-) ;-) ;-) |
| [15:37:03] | ** J-e-f-f-A <--- Crazy ;-) ** | |
| [15:37:10] | skd5aner: | lol |
| [15:37:27] | skd5aner: | my GA-880GA-UD3H died Sunday |
| [15:37:34] | skd5aner: | I just submitted an RMA request |
| [15:37:39] | skd5aner: | hope you have better luck than I |
| [15:37:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: don't say that! doh! ;-) |
| [15:37:55] | skd5aner: | also, that's the same CPU I had (only 4GB 1333 RAM though) |
| [15:38:03] | skd5aner: | J-e-f-f-A |
| [15:38:13] | AlVal: | apologies in advance, about to ask a noob question – the capture/tuner cards are all in the backend, and they feed the video over gigabit ethernet to the front ends? |
| [15:38:20] | skd5aner: | J-e-f-f-A: when you get it, let me know what revision of board you receive... mine was a 2.0 |
| [15:38:37] | skd5aner: | thye have 2.1, 2.2, and 2.3 I believe (maybe no 2.3) |
| [15:38:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: I've got it already – picked it up at Micro Center yesterday. ;-) I'll have to check when i get home later tonight. |
| [15:39:03] | skd5aner: | The board, is a pretty cool board, I'm hoping it was just bad luck |
| [15:39:05] | AlVal: | (in a setup where back end and front ends are separate machines) |
| [15:39:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | AlVal: yes, you can even use 100Mb Ethernet. |
| [15:39:37] | AlVal: | J-e-f-f-A: will there be much/any use for the 8gb ram? |
| [15:39:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | AlVal: Probably not, other than running several commercial detection jobs at once. ;-) |
| [15:40:25] | wagnerrp: | quicksilver, zoran119: mythtv will record up to five shows at the same time on a single physical tuner |
| [15:40:31] | wagnerrp: | only the default value is two |
| [15:40:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | AlVal: It's 'overkill', but I'm a firm believer in 'overkill'... ;-) hehehehe |
| [15:41:00] | wagnerrp: | five is set as an upper limit due to scaling issues in the scheduler, and filtering deficiencies in some tuner cards |
| [15:41:25] | quicksilver: | wagnerrp: and two is set as a default, rather than more, because..? |
| [15:42:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: I'm assuming you had a suitable power supply for that system, no? ;-) |
| [15:42:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: And did you overclock it, or just leave it stock? |
| [15:43:27] | AlVal: | memory's cheap anyway |
| [15:43:28] | wagnerrp: | hashbang: the largest throughput you might see from a single digital tuner is around 20mbps |
| [15:43:35] | ** J-e-f-f-A just remembered he needs to pick up some heatsink grease on the way home... so he can use his nice heatpipe heatsink instead of the generic HS that came with the system. ** | |
| [15:43:51] | AlVal: | im annoyed now. here's me feeling all pleased with myself building a "new" leet system for myself (middle of the road) |
| [15:43:53] | wagnerrp: | say what you want about the inefficiencies of USB, its not going to put a dent in a 480Mbps bus |
| [15:43:58] | AlVal: | and then you make me feel outdated with that beast |
| [15:44:26] | skd5aner: | J-e-f-f-A: 550W Antec and stock BIOS settings (no overclocking) |
| [15:44:46] | skd5aner: | J-e-f-f-A: I think the only thing I did was make sure the RAM speeds were correct |
| [15:44:57] | AlVal: | wagnerrp: thanks for the info, was talking to hashbang about this earlier (choosing between usb and pci-e dvb-s2 tuner cards) – i wanted to choose usb because it allows to me to use slim case, because i don't need pci-e case height |
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| [15:45:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: Ok, that sould be more than enough. ;-) My ps is an OCZ 600W 80+ |
| [15:45:13] | prologic: | k so I was in the wrong channel :) |
| [15:45:13] | AlVal: | but was afraid of usb bandwidth issues |
| [15:45:22] | skd5aner: | J-e-f-f-A: trust me, I'm not trying to rain on your parade (I hate that too) – just wanted to give you my experience, although I'm hoping I don't have problems with the replacement |
| [15:45:25] | prologic: | Is anyone aware of any appliance that runs mythtv ? |
| [15:45:27] | AlVal: | 2 X usb dvb-s tuners with hd footage |
| [15:45:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: I hear ya. ;-) |
| [15:45:52] | AlVal: | prologic: there are some retailers selling pre-made setups |
| [15:46:29] | skd5aner: | I did use the OEM heatsink... it's the first time in a LONG time I didn't buy an aftermarket one |
| [15:46:53] | skd5aner: | mainly because it's in a network closet in the basement, so sound isn't an issue to me |
| [15:47:07] | prologic: | AlVal, that's what I'm trying to find in vain |
| [15:47:29] | prologic: | AlVal, there used to be an AU company that used to make em but I believe they went broke (I'm from AU) |
| [15:47:49] | wagnerrp: | AlVal: please do not discuss your 'alternate methods' of getting content |
| [15:47:56] | wagnerrp: | such topics are off limits in this channel |
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| [15:48:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | prologic: Why though? it's pretty easy to build your own, especially with distributions like MythBuntu, MythDora and LinHES... (among others) |
| [15:48:46] | prologic: | the software side is not my concern |
| [15:48:52] | wagnerrp: | no talk of cracking satellite feeds either... see the channel rules at http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC |
| [15:48:59] | AlVal: | wagnerrp you're really lagged |
| [15:49:00] | prologic: | I just wanted to see if anyone knew of any pre-assembled hardware that runs mythtv ? |
| [15:49:07] | prologic: | otherwise – I will build one myself :) |
| [15:49:30] | skd5aner: | AlVal: I think wagnerrp is just reading the backlog – my guess |
| [15:49:38] | AlVal: | oh, sorry :D |
| [15:50:06] | AlVal: | and yes, i didnt mean to discuss any illegal satellite cracking in the chan, sorry |
| [15:50:11] | wagnerrp: | quicksilver: two is set as a default, because more tuners means more time spent on the scheduler |
| [15:50:33] | wagnerrp: | and for most people youre not going to actually be able to use 5 virtual tuners simultaneously |
| [15:50:48] | wagnerrp: | at least in the states, PBS is the only broadcaster to have that many virtual channels available |
| [15:50:57] | AlVal: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Commercial_MythTV_System |
| [15:51:16] | Coded1: | I want to add an OTA ATSC tuner on the cheap. I'm just sending the signal to an old CRT style TV and it's close to my 2.4GHz / 1.5GBRAM P4, can I run a card on this box and get decent performance or should I get a standalone player? |
| [15:51:19] | quicksilver: | wagnerrp: fair enough. |
| [15:51:24] | wagnerrp: | AlVal: note that the M350 case only supports mini-itx, not the micro-atx boards you were looking at earlier |
| [15:51:30] | quicksilver: | wagnerrp: in the UK, I think most of the muxes have 4–5 |
| [15:51:39] | quicksilver: | wagnerrp: but, I never actually want to record that many anyway ;) |
| [15:52:07] | wagnerrp: | ThisNewGuy1: the jobqueue currently has no scheduler |
| [15:52:16] | wagnerrp: | each backend runs its own independent jobqueue |
| [15:52:32] | wagnerrp: | and once a minute, they check if they have any free slots open, and take the first job available |
| [15:52:39] | wagnerrp: | its a free-for-all |
| [15:53:05] | wagnerrp: | you can control where things go by limiting which jobs can execute on which host |
| [15:53:09] | AlVal: | wagnerrp: yes, i've found a mini-itx mobo that meets all the requirements http://www.zotac.com/pdbrochures/mb/GF9300-I- . . . -WiFi_v1.pdf |
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| [15:53:22] | wagnerrp: | and you can also have jobs only run on the system they were recorded by |
| [15:53:23] | prologic: | http://monolithmc.com/ |
| [15:54:28] | AlVal: | prologic: yeah the build my own button doesnt work there, i think the sites down |
| [15:54:45] | prologic: | and looking at the specs |
| [15:54:48] | prologic: | I think it sucks a bit |
| [15:54:55] | prologic: | I can pick better components I believe |
| [15:55:15] | wagnerrp: | Coded1: you can get a nvidia card with hardware accelerate decoding |
| [15:55:30] | wagnerrp: | video will be completely offloaded, no processing done on the CPU |
| [15:55:42] | prologic: | it'a actually based on quite old hardware ihmo |
| [15:55:43] | wagnerrp: | PCIe 8400s start at around $30 |
| [15:55:47] | prologic: | eg: DDR2 RAM |
| [15:55:51] | AlVal: | prologic: yeah, i kind of felt that if you're really an enthusiast , which personally i think you kind of have to be to go down the mythtv route, then you'd want to spec/build your own system , even if that means using old bits you have about |
| [15:56:01] | Coded1: | wagnerrp, what line of geforce would that be? I would need AGP though |
| [15:56:12] | wagnerrp: | if you dont have PCIe, you can get PCI cards (no AGP available), but youre really better off just upgrading your whole system at that point |
| [15:56:14] | AlVal: | buying commercial pre-set up just kind of seemed "not in the spirit" to me? |
| [15:56:23] | wagnerrp: | replacement guts can be had for well under $200 |
| [15:56:35] | prologic: | I don't know that I'd call myself an enthusiast – I don't like old parts :) |
| [15:57:12] | Coded1: | wagnerrp, ya I was thinking of going that route but once you swap the MB then I need a new CPU, HDD, Video Card, Tuner .... |
| [15:57:22] | JEDIDIAH__: | monolith is still around? Doesnt' look like that page is being maintained much. |
| [15:57:27] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [15:57:32] | wagnerrp: | just the MB, CPU, and memory |
| [15:57:36] | Coded1: | ....power supply |
| [15:57:40] | wagnerrp: | video card can come on the MB |
| [15:57:42] | wagnerrp: | tuner can stay |
| [15:57:46] | wagnerrp: | hard drive can stay |
| [15:58:01] | wagnerrp: | power supply can stay, but you may need a 20->24 pin adapter depending on how old it is |
| [15:58:05] | wagnerrp: | case can stay |
| [15:58:14] | Coded1: | hmmm |
| [15:58:37] | JEDIDIAH__: | you can get a mobo like a revo or a zareason box would have. |
| [15:59:10] | Coded1: | what tuners preform best under linux? |
| [15:59:13] | AlVal: | Coded1: is there not an atsc usb compatible tuner? |
| [15:59:18] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [15:59:18] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [15:59:42] | wagnerrp: | AlVal: hes looking for output, not input |
| [15:59:56] | Coded1: | what he said :) |
| [15:59:59] | wagnerrp: | his existing P4 is marginal for decoding the HD MPEG2 from ATSC broadcasts |
| [16:00:12] | Coded1: | wagnerrp, less than marginal actually |
| [16:00:38] | wagnerrp: | how big is your existing case? |
| [16:00:49] | Coded1: | great for small games, surfing and stuff like that, case is standard desktop ATX |
| [16:02:38] | Coded1: | 40cm H, 19cmW, 40cmD approx |
| [16:03:59] | wagnerrp: | http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishD . . . ber=16469526 |
| [16:04:28] | wagnerrp: | replacement guts capable of playing back just about anything you want for $150 |
| [16:05:15] | wagnerrp: | you may need a larger board if you need more tuner cards, this one only has four slots available (2x PCI 2x PCIe) |
| [16:05:26] | Coded1: | likely only need the one |
| [16:05:35] | wagnerrp: | boards with onboard AMD graphics are getting a bit rare these days |
| [16:05:41] | wagnerrp: | err... onboard nVidia graphics |
| [16:05:47] | Coded1: | ya I know |
| [16:06:08] | Coded1: | I stay away from AMD/ATI as much as I can, which sucks cause I like their CPU's |
| [16:06:34] | Coded1: | Ive been burned by the 9800pro (when it came out) and the 3200HD |
| [16:06:42] | Coded1: | too much trouble |
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| [16:07:20] | wagnerrp: | my 9800 Pro was great... 7 years ago |
| [16:07:27] | wagnerrp: | ATI has just never had good linux drivers |
| [16:07:38] | Coded1: | lol yup |
| [16:07:57] | Coded1: | that was bleeding edge when I bought it |
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| [16:08:11] | Coded1: | cost me > $600 |
| [16:08:42] | Coded1: | played GTA3,4 nicely though, and most clancy titles |
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| [16:09:40] | wagnerrp: | i didnt think that card was ever that pricey |
| [16:09:43] | AlVal: | +wagnerrp: thats nice spec/price kit |
| [16:09:49] | AlVal: | and micro atx |
| [16:10:06] | wagnerrp: | mine was like $200, and came with a copy of tomb radier |
| [16:10:10] | AlVal: | can they really squeeze all that stuff on the mobo im getting reliably into a little mini itx?! |
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| [16:10:42] | wagnerrp: | now that i think about it, ive got like three unplayed copies of tomb raider from various hardware purchases around that time |
| [16:11:26] | Coded1: | I was very young and naive ... all I can say is ... Dude I bought a DELL!! |
| [16:11:27] | wagnerrp: | AlVal: you lose out on the expansion slots, and Zotac seems to be the most prolific manufacturer at that form factor |
| [16:11:59] | AlVal: | yes, im a little surprised at not seeing much competition against zotac |
| [16:12:09] | AlVal: | ive never even heard of zotac til now |
| [16:12:50] | skd5aner: | Mega Millions Numbers: 4, 8, 15, 25, 47, 42 |
| [16:12:56] | skd5aner: | LOST Numbers: 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 |
| [16:13:18] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: four numbers gets you something |
| [16:13:24] | skd5aner: | If you would have played the LOST numbers in the Mega Millions lottery drawing last night, you would have won $150 |
| [16:13:24] | wagnerrp: | like $100 or so |
| [16:13:41] | skd5aner: | well, 3#s plus the Megaball Number (42) |
| [16:13:46] | AlVal: | i dont think i can convert the pci-e slot on the zotac 9300 to right angle with a riser card to fit in a slim case though, because of the heatsink height on the mobo |
| [16:13:59] | AlVal: | skd5aner: thats a wild observation!! |
| [16:14:23] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: so still no one has hit it? |
| [16:14:25] | skd5aner: | yea, what's scary is, I apparently have the LOST numbers memorized... I blame the wife |
| [16:14:33] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: 2 winners |
| [16:14:35] | wagnerrp: | theyve got to be up over $250 by now |
| [16:14:37] | wagnerrp: | oh |
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| [16:14:39] | wagnerrp: | pity |
| [16:14:41] | skd5aner: | it was $355m |
| [16:14:48] | wagnerrp: | wow... |
| [16:14:52] | wagnerrp: | that... would do it |
| [16:15:08] | skd5aner: | yea, anything above $300, and I'll go buy about 5–10 tickets... just for fun |
| [16:15:09] | wagnerrp: | doesnt really matter what 'it' is, that would be enough |
| [16:15:29] | AlVal: | my old folks play the lottery, I stung 'em with a trick i saw somewhere |
| [16:15:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | prologic: What will you be recording? |
| [16:15:51] | AlVal: | video tape the lottery one week, during the next week buy a ticket with last week winning numbers |
| [16:16:11] | prologic: | JEDIDIAH__, just HD TV |
| [16:16:17] | AlVal: | give them ticket as a present, next week when the draw happens on tv and they go to watch, sneak the video back on play |
| [16:16:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | prologic: In the US? |
| [16:16:25] | AlVal: | and play back last week draw, watch them hit the roof as they win |
| [16:16:26] | prologic: | AU |
| [16:16:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | prologic: Ah – is your HD in MPEG2 or MPEG4 down there? |
| [16:16:56] | prologic: | absolutely no idea |
| [16:17:21] | prologic: | I've not built a mythtv box for quite some years now |
| [16:17:53] | prologic: | (stupid question) does MythTV still kick freevo's shiny metal ass in features, etc ? |
| [16:18:11] | skd5aner: | not sure if freevo even exists anymore truth be told |
| [16:18:18] | ** prologic been reading users forums/lsits about the two and why folks choose one over the other ** | |
| [16:18:19] | skd5aner: | no one ever even brings it up anymore |
| [16:18:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | prologic: Well, if it's MPEG2, then any recent system can playback in hardware just fine (even an 'old' DDR2 system... ;-) ) – if it's MPEG4, you'd either need a high-end system to do it in Software, or an Nvidia card that supports VDPAU (pretty cheap nowadays) |
| [16:18:38] | skd5aner: | (when talking about "competitors to mythtv") |
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| [16:19:35] | wagnerrp: | usually discussed competitors are xbmc and boxee |
| [16:19:37] | jams: | skd5aner- it's still kicking, but your right most don't talk about it anymore |
| [16:19:43] | wagnerrp: | boxee isnt really a competitor at all |
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| [16:19:54] | wagnerrp: | and xbmc wont be until their tvheadend stuff matures |
| [16:19:57] | prologic: | what's xmbc then ? |
| [16:20:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | prologic: I've only used Dish Network PVRs personally myself (a US Sattelite service), and MythTV walks all over it... ;-) |
| [16:20:08] | wagnerrp: | xbmc is just a media player |
| [16:20:14] | skd5aner: | x media box center? |
| [16:20:14] | wagnerrp: | currently no recording caability |
| [16:20:15] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [16:20:23] | prologic: | right |
| [16:20:29] | Saviq: | hmm guys any idea about 0.24 ignoring the 'something is about to be recorded, what do you want to do' dialog when I want to watch LiveTV? |
| [16:20:37] | prologic: | well ihmo from what I've read and re-read I still think MythTV is the way to go |
| [16:20:42] | prologic: | +additions of my own |
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| [16:21:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | prologic: +1 ;-) MythTV is THE BEST!!!! ;-) |
| [16:21:21] | prologic: | hey it was great back then (+10 years ago) |
| [16:21:26] | prologic: | it ought to kick ass today :) |
| [16:21:30] | skd5aner: | J-e-f-f-A: no brownie points have ever been awarded in these parts |
| [16:21:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | prologic: and if you haven't set it up for years now, it's super easy now with the distrbutions. ;-) |
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| [16:21:51] | prologic: | I prefer to do it myself – but thanks :) |
| [16:21:54] | wagnerrp: | erm... mythtv has only been around for ~8.5yrs |
| [16:21:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | prologic: watch the language. |
| [16:21:57] | wagnerrp: | not 10+ |
| [16:22:04] | prologic: | Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora and alike sh*t me to tears :) |
| [16:22:22] | prologic: | wagnerrp, then 6–7years :) |
| [16:22:25] | prologic: | it's been a while! |
| [16:22:31] | wagnerrp: | you want to roll your own linux, but need a pre-built machine? |
| [16:22:38] | prologic: | I had a mythtv box that used a Haupauge PVR-150 |
| [16:22:47] | prologic: | now several years laster AU finally has HD |
| [16:22:56] | prologic: | and we plan to switch of analuge tv in 2013 |
| [16:23:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | prologic: I've been running Fedora almost since I started – first used Knoppmyth to fiddle with it, then built a Fedora system based on Jarod's guide 'many moons ago'... ;-) |
| [16:23:25] | prologic: | hehe I only asked about the pre-built machine(s) because I'm inherently lazy |
| [16:23:30] | ** J-e-f-f-A still uses a PVR-250 for an IPTV STB. ;-) ** | |
| [16:23:40] | prologic: | or maybe it's a cse of if someone's put the effort in, I'm happy to pay the $$$ |
| [16:24:19] | prologic: | I'm considering using Divco HD tuners |
| [16:24:40] | prologic: | or the Haupauage Nova-T cards (if they still make them and keep up with the latest HD tech) |
| [16:24:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: Just stating the facts. ;-) hehehe |
| [16:25:18] | prologic: | my biggest problem (or wish) is finding a suitable remote |
| [16:25:32] | prologic: | I want a nice shiny touch-screen remote – but haven't found one I like |
| [16:25:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | prologic: I don't know about the AUS HD cards... but we do have some of your neighbors here, if not on the -users list, and there is probably info on AUS tuners on the wiki. |
| [16:25:59] | prologic: | ones I've seen in my research are half-baked touchscreen remotes with some physical buttons |
| [16:26:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | -1 for the touchscreen remote. ;-) I just love my MCE remote – pleanty of buttons, yet not 'too many'. ;-) Just right... |
| [16:26:37] | prologic: | if I explained why you'd understand :) |
| [16:26:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | prologic: just use "MythMote" with an Android phone. ;-) |
| [16:26:46] | skd5aner: | prologic: nevo Q50 |
| [16:26:50] | prologic: | being vision impaired with less than 1% sight makes using tiny buttons hard :) |
| [16:26:59] | prologic: | touch screen remote with larger interface +++ :) |
| [16:27:07] | skd5aner: | prologic: or, the Nevo s70 |
| [16:27:12] | prologic: | think iPad with an iOS app designed for MythTV |
| [16:27:33] | wagnerrp: | prologic: not sure what an iPad application would do with regards to mythtv |
| [16:27:36] | prologic: | hmm nevos |
| [16:27:37] | skd5aner: | prologic: but the nevos are $$$ and have a learning curve |
| [16:27:43] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt have the power to play any of our recorded content |
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| [16:27:51] | wagnerrp: | not anything HD anyway |
| [16:27:59] | prologic: | umm |
| [16:28:00] | prologic: | no true |
| [16:28:04] | wagnerrp: | yes true |
| [16:28:15] | prologic: | they'd have to be transcoded into whatever format apples likes to play on them |
| [16:28:18] | Rabbit^^: | Do any of you have a preference for HDD manufacturer between WD and Seagate? |
| [16:28:21] | prologic: | H.264 iirc |
| [16:28:33] | wagnerrp: | then it wouldnt be an iPad app designed for MythTV |
| [16:28:36] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: have you seen the xfinity stuff for ipad? |
| [16:28:49] | wagnerrp: | it would be an iPad app designed for some program that works with mythtv |
| [16:28:58] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not transcode to h264 |
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| [16:29:01] | prologic: | wagnerrp, I plan to include and run an app I'm aware of and currently use called AirVideo |
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| [16:29:13] | prologic: | streams video to an iPad and can transcode live |
| [16:29:28] | wagnerrp: | and its very likely anything you record from DVB or an HDPVR is going to be too intensive for playback on an iPad |
| [16:29:29] | prologic: | I'll find a way to integrate the two :) |
| [16:29:33] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: something like this for mythtv would be cool – http://www.xfinity.com/help/internet/mobile-tv-app/ |
| [16:30:05] | prologic: | wagnerrp, you could transform/transcode the video no ? |
| [16:30:17] | prologic: | make it suitable for playback on an iPad/iPhone |
| [16:30:17] | wagnerrp: | you could transcode it, sure |
| [16:30:25] | prologic: | then no problems :) |
| [16:30:26] | wagnerrp: | but mythtv does not support transcoding to h264 |
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| [16:30:31] | wagnerrp: | you would have to do it externally |
| [16:30:32] | prologic: | so ? :) |
| [16:30:36] | prologic: | surely mencoder does ? |
| [16:30:42] | wagnerrp: | and you would have to do it batch, there is no live transcoding support |
| [16:30:50] | prologic: | sure |
| [16:30:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | And you'd need a REALLY FAST processor to try to do it in 'real-time |
| [16:31:04] | wagnerrp: | and you would have to downscale it |
| [16:31:09] | skd5aner: | TO THE CLOUD! |
| [16:31:09] | prologic: | ofc |
| [16:31:10] | skd5aner: | ;) |
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| [16:31:16] | wagnerrp: | because the playback support on the iPad is really fairly anemic |
| [16:31:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | prologic: if you were to try to stream it... ;-) |
| [16:31:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: ha! ;-) |
| [16:31:29] | prologic: | well anyway |
| [16:31:34] | prologic: | I was talking about touchscreen remotes |
| [16:31:39] | prologic: | not playing live tv on an iPad :) |
| [16:31:45] | AlVal: | zomg lian-li have the ultimate mini-itx case |
| [16:31:46] | AlVal: | http://www.lian-li.com/v2/en/product/product0 . . . ;ss_index=64 |
| [16:31:46] | prologic: | but hey if I succeed I'll tell you all about it :) |
| [16:31:55] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: by design... otherwise, how would they market the iPad2 EXTREME – now with better playback support and 5 cameras? |
| [16:32:24] | wagnerrp: | 5 cameras? turbo ultra 3D! |
| [16:32:51] | wagnerrp: | i really dont understand those 'testing bench' cases |
| [16:32:54] | skd5aner: | prologic: like I mentioned – I like the nevo Q50, which is what I have, the S70 is more touch screen than buttons, and then there are other ones like the logitech harmony 1000 I think |
| [16:32:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | AlVal: Add a few servos and you've got yourself a spider robot... |
| [16:33:13] | wagnerrp: | FFS, just use the foam pad and AS bag the parts came in |
| [16:33:22] | prologic: | skd5aner, *nods* looking at mynevo's pdocut list |
| [16:35:02] | Rabbit^^: | Has anyone tried MythTV on a Pentium D 920 box with 3GB RAM and an ATI PCIe AIW 2006 edition GPU? |
| [16:35:34] | skd5aner: | prologic: it's designed to be programmed by HT intergators and not end-users, although that's what I do – just know it's not an out-of-the-box solution |
| [16:35:44] | skd5aner: | you have to litterally program the thing |
| [16:35:59] | prologic: | fair enough |
| [16:36:05] | prologic: | I was expecting that in any case |
| [16:36:38] | prologic: | the Nevo S70 looks nice |
| [16:36:43] | prologic: | nicer than anything I've found thus far |
| [16:36:57] | wagnerrp: | Rabbit^^: the AIW cards were never well supported in linux |
| [16:36:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rabbit^^: What is your source? IE: US HD OTA, or ??? |
| [16:37:02] | skd5aner: | I wanted more physical buttons than a touch screen, which is why I went with the Q50 |
| [16:37:12] | prologic: | *nods* |
| [16:37:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oh AIW – yuck. ;-) |
| [16:37:23] | Rabbit^^: | US Cable, QAM |
| [16:37:27] | prologic: | anyway back to bed I go :) |
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| [16:37:47] | skd5aner: | but the S70 has other potentials, such as built-in wifi – so in theory you could write some code to do two-way communication with mythtv, for stuff like meta-data, system status display on the remote |
| [16:37:57] | skd5aner: | and he didn't get that anyway |
| [16:38:39] | Rabbit^^: | Also, I plan on upgrading to the Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-2250, as the CATV input on the AIW does NOT function most of the time and takes FOREVER to get it to work if it chooses to do so. |
| [16:40:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rabbit^^: Yeah, like wagnerrp, the AIW support in Linux is horrible... And the 2250 is a much better card. Sounds like it's MPEG2 streams – as long as your cable company doesn't kill your 'non-encrypted' QAM, it'll probably work ok. |
| [16:40:42] | wagnerrp: | and if they do, you can always capture off a pair of cable boxes |
| [16:40:57] | Rabbit^^: | I also have a cable box for channels such as universal sports... |
| [16:41:39] | ThisNewGuy1: | wagnerrp: thanks! |
| [16:41:57] | Rabbit^^: | Would it be sensible to DISABLE the T200 portion of the AIW what I manage to acquire the other card? |
| [16:42:25] | Rabbit^^: | Oops, "when I manage".... |
| [16:42:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rabbit^^: I'd just replace it with an NVidia card. ;-) Then you'd get VDPAU capability too. ;-) |
| [16:42:39] | wagnerrp: | t200 portion? |
| [16:42:48] | wagnerrp: | yeah, just trash the whole thing |
| [16:42:54] | wagnerrp: | new tuner, new graphics |
| [16:43:04] | wagnerrp: | ATI stuff is just poorly support in linux in general |
| [16:44:48] | Rabbit^^: | Unfortunately, the system also needs a larger HDD. I cannot afford to replace all three at once. The graphics card will be replaced at a later date. The driver for the TV capabilities of the AIW appears to be separate from the display driver. |
| [16:45:30] | wagnerrp: | a better graphics card will be the cheapest bit of the lot |
| [16:45:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rabbit^^: Well, you can get a VDPAU-capable nvidia card for as little as $30 ;-) |
| [16:45:41] | wagnerrp: | an HVR-2250 is $120 |
| [16:45:50] | wagnerrp: | and a hard drive of decent size is >$70 |
| [16:46:05] | Rabbit^^: | VDPAU? |
| [16:46:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rabbit^^: http://mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU |
| [16:47:10] | Rabbit^^: | I thinking of getting a WD Caviar Blue 500GB or 1TB. |
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| [16:48:16] | wagnerrp: | they dont sell blues any more |
| [16:48:23] | wagnerrp: | greens and blacks only |
| [16:48:55] | Rabbit^^: | What is the difference between the two? |
| [16:49:27] | Rabbit^^: | That is, between Blue and Green |
| [16:49:40] | wagnerrp: | blacks are 7200rpm, greens are 5900rpm and have aggressive power saving measures (forced park after 8 seconds of idle) |
| [16:49:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rabbit^^: Keep in mind that depending on the bitrate of the HD signal, you're looking at 4–7GB/hr for HD programming (Because it's MPEG2) |
| [16:50:55] | Rabbit^^: | The programs would MOSTLY be digital or SD. |
| [16:53:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rabbit^^: The 2250 is digital only, so it'd have to be digital SD. ;-) |
| [16:53:19] | Rabbit^^: | The events I record off Universal Sports would not really benefit a lot of HD, so I believe they are broadcast in HD digital. |
| [16:53:51] | Rabbit^^: | I thought one could use the FM input as analog TV. |
| [16:55:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rabbit^^: I din't hink so — double-checking myself... |
| [16:57:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rabbit^^: Humm... I think you're right... my bad... http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr2250.html |
| [16:59:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rabbit^^: ... I'd do some googling though – I don't know if the analog functions are working in Linux... Although it's been a long while since I checked... |
| [16:59:34] | Rabbit^^: | I also understand that the minimum GPU specs for the HVR-2250 include a DX9 card. Is this correct? |
| [17:00:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | DX9 is Windows. |
| [17:00:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rabbit^^: In Linux, you just need either a fast enough processor to do it in Software (most anything in the last 3–4 years should do just fine), or a VDPAU capable NVidia card... ;-) |
| [17:01:06] | Rabbit^^: | Does the graphics card spec matter as much in Linux? |
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| [17:01:37] | Rabbit^^: | The processor on this system is Pentium D 920 |
| [17:03:24] | Rabbit^^: | I currently use Windows XP Media Center on a notebook. The desktop currently has XP Pro, which seems to have issues with recording (I think because of the AIW). |
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| [17:06:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rabbit^^: re: gfx card – for the best video quality/smooth playback, it can... It also depends on your output device, and the resolution, etc. NVidia has very good support in Linux. Other cards are not as well supported, but will work ok with a fast enough cpu to decode in software. |
| [17:07:08] | Rabbit^^: | Output is either to DVI to SD TV |
| [17:07:33] | Rabbit^^: | Two different monitors |
| [17:08:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rabbit^^: There's two extremes — DVI is Digital, nigh-definition, and SD TV is Analog, low-resolution. If you want SD output, you'll need a card with S-Video output... Which limits the choices of video card, but there are still several. |
| [17:09:07] | hashbang: | Rabbit^^: I used to prefer Seagate, switched to WD after the Seagate firmware issue a couple of years back and Seagate reducing warranty on OEM drives. WD Caviar Black (at least) still 5 years. |
| [17:09:22] | Rabbit^^: | That is why I am going to continue using the AIW for graphics for the time being. |
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| [17:13:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'm the reverse for HD's — I used to prefer WD, but after having a total of 8 500GB WD drives die over the last couple of years, (And once having two fail at once, destroying my Raid5) – I've switched to other brands... (Hitachi, Samsung, Seagate) |
| [17:13:46] | hashbang: | J-e-f-f-A: Rabbit^^: if you're in Europe, and your SD TV has SCART, you might want to use a home-made VGA to RGB SCART adapter for best picture quality. Technically, that would mean you wouldn't need a card with S-Video, but in practise, it may be that cards that can output <31KHz VGA also have S-Video output too. |
| [17:14:10] | Rabbit^^: | US here |
| [17:14:52] | hashbang: | Rabbit^^: ignore me, then. You'll have to make do with S-Video for SD :-) |
| [17:15:59] | Rabbit^^: | Have any of ever used Windows MC? |
| [17:16:24] | ThisNewGuy1: | Does anyone know if the Job Queue Window can cross days – e.g. if I start at 23:00 and end at 5:00 will that work? |
| [17:16:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rabbit^^: I've tried it a few times, and although it's 'pretty', it's nowhere near as good as MythTV for Recording TV. |
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| [17:17:59] | Rabbit^^: | What about using a live CD (KnoppMyth or some other flavor) and recording to internal HDD? |
| [17:19:01] | wagnerrp: | if you have an internal HDD, why would you use a livecd? |
| [17:20:09] | Rabbit^^: | Because I have XP Pro on a 160GB SATA HDD and prefer not to lose Windows it possible. That is part of the reason for the additional HDD. |
| [17:21:49] | wagnerrp: | but you can always reinstall off the CD if needed |
| [17:22:55] | Rabbit^^: | Have any of you successfully used MythTV with BSD Linux? |
| [17:23:14] | wagnerrp: | bsd linux... thats rather contradictory |
| [17:23:41] | wagnerrp: | i suppose you could be referring to the linux kernel with one of the BSD flavor's toolsets |
| [17:23:46] | wagnerrp: | but ive never heard of such a beast |
| [17:23:56] | Rabbit^^: | What about Xandros? |
| [17:24:37] | wagnerrp: | i think it is no longer being developed, and as such should be avoided |
| [17:25:52] | wagnerrp: | Rabbit^^: what specifically were you referring to when you said 'BSD Linux'? |
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| [17:27:41] | Rabbit^^: | Any preferences between KnoppMyth and MythDora? |
| [17:28:04] | wagnerrp: | knoppmyth has been abandoned for linhes |
| [17:28:24] | Rabbit^^: | I thought there was a distribution called "BSD". |
| [17:28:41] | wagnerrp: | no, there is an operating system called BSD, several in fact |
| [17:28:58] | Rabbit^^: | Is it similar to Linux? |
| [17:29:12] | wagnerrp: | but they have no relation to linux, aside from being POSIX compliant open source operating systems |
| [17:29:33] | wagnerrp: | for that matter, linux is /not/ an operating system |
| [17:29:35] | wagnerrp: | it is a kernel |
| [17:29:43] | Rabbit^^: | I understand OSX is similar to BSD.... |
| [17:30:06] | wagnerrp: | OSX runs on a modified BSD tool set, with the Mach kernel |
| [17:30:30] | Rabbit^^: | Would Myth TV run on BSD? |
| [17:30:45] | wagnerrp: | sure, mythtv is designed to run on POSIX compliant systems |
| [17:31:40] | wagnerrp: | it also can be partially run on windows (frontend only for now) |
| [17:31:40] | Rabbit^^: | I understand Xandros is simlar to Windows. Is that correct? |
| [17:31:54] | wagnerrp: | xandros is defunct, no purpose discussing it |
| [17:32:40] | Rabbit^^: | Is there a distribution similar to Windows GUI? |
| [17:32:41] | wagnerrp: | and no, it was not similar to windows, it was linux, and used WINE like everyone else to run windows applications |
| [17:33:20] | wagnerrp: | KDE and Gnome are the two big desktop managers, of the two, KDE is much more similar to windows |
| [17:33:56] | Rabbit^^: | Does Fedora use KDE? |
| [17:34:37] | wagnerrp: | looks like it defaults to gnome |
| [17:34:54] | Rabbit^^: | Which distributions are KDE, if anyone knows? |
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| [17:35:27] | wagnerrp: | suse and kubuntu are the only ones i know of that default to kde off hand |
| [17:35:36] | wagnerrp: | note that is 'default to' |
| [17:35:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rabbit^^: You can use KDE on most distributions. I use both KDE and Gnome on my fedora systems. |
| [17:35:52] | wagnerrp: | you can always install whatever desktop manager or window manager you want |
| [17:36:24] | Rabbit^^: | Does anyone here use a Linux flavor other than Fedora for a Myth TV box? |
| [17:36:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | Lots... |
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| [17:37:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Many use other os's – Ubuntu is quite popular too... |
| [17:37:42] | clever: | ive got my master backend on ubuntu and my main frontend on gentoo |
| [17:37:45] | Rabbit^^: | It seems the most common "flavors" of Linux for Myth TV are Fedora and Knoppix. What are some others? |
| [17:38:11] | Rabbit^^: | What it is easy to get it working on Ubuntu? |
| [17:38:48] | skd5aner: | mythbuntu |
| [17:38:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rabbit^^: Look for MythBuntu – it's a distribution of Ubuntu with MythTV ... |
| [17:38:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ exactly. |
| [17:39:15] | Rabbit^^: | Can I try via live CD, by chance? |
| [17:40:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rabbit^^: I think the livecd functionaly is limited to a frontend only, but I could be wrong... http://www.mythbuntu.org/ |
| [17:40:30] | skd5aner: | Rabbit^^: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Packages |
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| [17:42:23] | Rabbit^^: | Does anyone use Myth TV with FreeBSD? |
| [17:42:28] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [17:42:41] | Rabbit^^: | Was it easy to set up? |
| [17:43:02] | skd5aner: | Rabbit^^: wagnerrp does, but there's issues if you want to use physical tuner cards on FreeBSD |
| [17:43:20] | wagnerrp: | yeah, lack of tuner drivers in freebsd makes it of limited use |
| [17:43:36] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: but the HDHR will work right? |
| [17:43:37] | wagnerrp: | apparently you can use the linux usb drivers for usb tuners |
| [17:43:47] | wagnerrp: | and then things like the network-attached HDHR work |
| [17:43:54] | Rabbit^^: | Does is work with the HVR-2250? |
| [17:43:59] | skd5aner: | Doesnt |
| [17:43:59] | wagnerrp: | no |
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| [17:44:27] | skd5aner: | if you're new to all of it, just roll out something like mythbuntu and be done with it |
| [17:44:28] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [17:45:04] | wagnerrp: | i consider mythtv 'easy' to get set up on freebsd |
| [17:45:11] | wagnerrp: | but then my opinion is probably a bit skewed |
| [17:45:27] | wagnerrp: | having used freebsd for ~8yrs now |
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| [17:45:38] | skd5aner: | ... and being a MythTV developer |
| [17:45:39] | wagnerrp: | and building mythtv from source for 5–6 |
| [17:45:45] | wagnerrp: | well there is that too... :) |
| [17:46:21] | Rabbit^^: | Wagnerrp: Do you happen to have site to help users set up Myth on FreeBSD? |
| [17:46:32] | wagnerrp: | nope, i recommend people dont use freebsd for myth |
| [17:46:35] | wagnerrp: | for the above reasons |
| [17:46:47] | AlVal: | can't find a mini itx case the right dimensions |
| [17:47:05] | AlVal: | like http://www.mini-box.com/M350-universal-mini-itx-enclosure but tall enough to fit a pci-e card |
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| [17:47:59] | AlVal: | all the tiny ones are slimline, surprised noone seems to make one to suit really minimal installs with enough height for expansion card(s) |
| [17:48:17] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112265 |
| [17:48:37] | Rabbit^^: | Which is the easiest Linux distribution to use with Linux? |
| [17:49:06] | AlVal: | +wagnerrp: yeah came across that, but look how high it is |
| [17:49:19] | wagnerrp: | linux is just a kernel |
| [17:49:33] | AlVal: | pci-e cards are only 106mm tall |
| [17:49:41] | bindi: | AlVal: use a flexible pci-e riser? |
| [17:49:55] | wagnerrp: | the distribution is the linux kernel, the hurd operating system, and various assorted scripts and programs for startup and management |
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| [17:51:19] | AlVal: | bindi: yes, the m350 i originally linked supports that, but look at the heatsink on the mobo's gpu |
| [17:51:24] | wagnerrp: | http://silverstonetek.com/products/p_spec.php . . . amp;area=usa |
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| [17:51:51] | skd5aner: | I have a love/hate affair with silverstone cases |
| [17:51:53] | AlVal: | http://www.zotacusa.com/zotac-geforce-gf9300- . . . erboard.html |
| [17:51:54] | skd5aner: | mainly love |
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| [17:53:34] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo^2: you have any knowledge of the database structure in trac? |
| [17:53:52] | AlVal: | +wagnerrp: yes , thanks, i think ill have to look into the "long and flat" type cases with the pci card alongside the mobo, will have to see what cpu heatsink heights they accommodate |
| [17:53:52] | Beirdo^2: | Nope |
| [17:54:04] | Beirdo^2: | Stuartm may though |
| [17:54:15] | wagnerrp: | seems the 'delete comment' button is broken |
| [17:54:51] | wagnerrp: | it works, but it sets the last change timestamp to be null, meaning it errors when you try to access the ticket |
| [17:55:19] | wagnerrp: | i crudely fixed it so it now reads epoch as the last timestamp in such a situation |
| [17:55:47] | wagnerrp: | but looking at the sql query which is supposed to set it, i cant see anything wrong with it |
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| [17:57:36] | Beirdo^2: | Hmm. Sucky. Did you check on Trac's trac to see if there are any tickets? |
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| [17:57:57] | wagnerrp: | no, didnt think of it |
| [17:58:33] | Beirdo^2: | Might be worth a look. Ya never know |
| [17:59:04] | Rabbit^^: | Which works best with Hauppauge WinTV HVR-2250? |
| [17:59:50] | wagnerrp: | do you need analog support? |
| [18:00:25] | Rabbit^^: | I would like it if possible. |
| [18:00:32] | wagnerrp: | then nothing |
| [18:00:51] | Beirdo^2: | Gotta |
| [18:01:03] | wagnerrp: | any distro you choose, you will have to manually build the relevant kernel module |
| [18:01:30] | Beirdo^2: | Yeah. Typically |
| [18:01:30] | Beirdo^2: | Argh |
| [18:01:38] | wagnerrp: | 'this was typed on my iphone, excuse the brevity and random presses of the return key' |
| [18:01:49] | Beirdo^2: | Typing on a smartphone sucks |
| [18:02:23] | Beirdo^2: | Hehe. Nexus one in this case |
| [18:02:31] | JEDIDIAH__: | can't imagine thhat the IRC client is anything to look at either. |
| [18:02:38] | iamlindoro: | What in the hell happened to the CSS here? http://code.mythtv.org/trac/report/17 |
| [18:02:45] | Beirdo^2: | I'm having accuracy issues |
| [18:02:47] | staylo: | Not as bad as typing on a pda used to suck |
| [18:02:55] | wagnerrp: | wow |
| [18:03:04] | Beirdo^2: | Don't get to do this often |
| [18:03:29] | Beirdo^2: | Iamlindoro: language |
| [18:03:38] | iamlindoro: | hell hell hell |
| [18:03:46] | iamlindoro: | not profanity |
| [18:04:01] | wagnerrp: | church goers use it all the time |
| [18:04:09] | wagnerrp: | it cant be bad... :) |
| [18:04:38] | Beirdo^2: | Not in the context you did |
| [18:04:55] | Beirdo^2: | They use damn too. In the proper context |
| [18:04:55] | iamlindoro: | oh for crying out loud Beirdo^2 |
| [18:05:04] | ** wagnerrp claims innocence ** | |
| [18:05:11] | wagnerrp: | i didnt touch anything CSS related this morning |
| [18:05:13] | Beirdo: | please follow your own rules :) |
| [18:05:16] | iamlindoro: | You are just looking for a fight |
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| [18:08:54] | wagnerrp: | apache claims the css files havent been changed since Dec 2 |
| [18:09:20] | wagnerrp: | which means theyre the same ones as were originally installed on the new server |
| [18:09:23] | JEDIDIAH__: | be wary of genteel types with southern sensibilities. |
| [18:09:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | wow, if that were the old <font tag, it'd be something like <font size=+5> ;-) |
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| [18:10:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | ah, "font size=18pt" |
| [18:11:05] | wagnerrp: | the code itself is setting the wrong class |
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| [18:11:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | or the wrong 'style'? |
| [18:12:45] | wagnerrp: | class, style, whatever |
| [18:12:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | The class seems to be properly alternating between color4-even and color4-odd, but the Style is different for those lines, including a font size and bold, etc... |
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| [18:18:27] | wagnerrp: | the problem was in the report query itself |
| [18:20:34] | fmilo: | guys what is the most realiable card for ATSC on linux ? I am looking at the hauppage 2250 right now, is there anything more high end and supported? |
| [18:21:17] | wagnerrp: | why do you need a 'high end' digital tuner card? |
| [18:21:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Ah, it looks much better now. ;-) |
| [18:23:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | fmilo: I use a pair of HD-HomeRun Network tuners for ATSC. No slot required... |
| [18:23:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | fmilo: (and each box has 2 tuners, so I have 4 ATSC tuners...) ;-) MuWaHaHa!!! |
| [18:24:11] | fmilo: | J-e-f-f-A: nice any link ? |
| [18:24:51] | fmilo: | these ones? http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun/atsc/ |
| [18:25:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | fmilo: http://www.silicondust.com – the HDHomeRun tuner |
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| [18:27:26] | JEDIDIAH__: | the HDHR seems to have a rather good set of tuners in it. |
| [18:28:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | fmilo: fyi – the "Prime" version will not work in Linux It's CableCard, and will likely never work in Linux due to the DRM stuff... |
| [18:29:19] | JEDIDIAH__: | The Prime is like Firewire. It technically will work but you're at the mercy of how your cable provider set up their channels. |
| [18:29:27] | fmilo: | how do you connect that to the Computer ? through ethernet? |
| [18:29:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | JEDIDIAH__: I've got no complaints. I've got a roof-top antenna pointed at Boston, and split 4 ways, and no signal quality issues (except for one channel that is obstructed by a hilll) |
| [18:29:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | fmilo: yes. |
| [18:29:59] | JEDIDIAH__: | the tuners in my HDHR seem to be better the ones in any of my real TVs. |
| [18:30:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | fmilo: So you just plug the HDHR into your network switch/router, and you're ready to go... add it to Myth, setup the sources, and you're ready to go... |
| [18:30:48] | tmkt: | i wish i could say the same |
| [18:31:03] | tmkt: | my samsung tv gets more channels then my hvr-850, hvr-1600, and the hdhr |
| [18:31:11] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: your info on the prime is 100% incorrect |
| [18:31:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | fmilo: My HDHR tuners have been rock solid, every bit as reliable as any of my PCI or PCI HD tuners I have used in the past, if not more... |
| [18:31:40] | iamlindoro: | Not only will it work in linux, it'll work with myth, and will work with any encrypted channel marked copy freely, which in many comcast markets for example is everything but premiums |
| [18:31:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Not intentionally – please correct me! ;-) |
| [18:31:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | oh, ok. |
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| [18:32:02] | JEDIDIAH__: | Due to HOA nonsense, my incoming OTA signal is not as good as it could be. |
| [18:32:08] | iamlindoro: | The last HDHR lib update was specifically to allow them to perform their QA process with the Prime |
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| [18:32:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Ok, thanks for the correction. Sorry about that fmilo ... |
| [18:32:40] | iamlindoro: | And that was many months ago |
| [18:32:51] | ** J-e-f-f-A has been in a cave. DOH! ** | |
| [18:32:54] | iamlindoro: | nothing to be sory about, just wanted to make sure people had accurate info |
| [18:33:05] | JEDIDIAH__: | at least someone likes us Linux users... |
| [18:33:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | JEDIDIAH__: Yeah, SiliconDust has been very good to us. ;-) |
| [18:33:45] | iamlindoro: | Doesn't hurt that one of their founders is a Myth user |
| [18:33:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
| [18:34:00] | wagnerrp: | and several of their engineers |
| [18:34:15] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...kind of explains things. |
| [18:36:17] | skd5aner: | and they know they know that MythTV users need *some* way to tune/capture TV... so it's a great market for them to appeal to |
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| [18:37:02] | lwizardl: | hi |
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| [18:37:36] | lwizardl: | is there a Linux compatible cablecard or cardcard ready device ? |
| [18:37:58] | skd5aner: | wow... |
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| [18:38:05] | skd5aner: | lwizardl: you missed that whole coversation by 3 minutes |
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| [18:38:18] | skd5aner: | HDHR Prime is currently being developed |
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| [18:38:46] | lwizardl: | damn I just got home |
| [18:38:48] | lwizardl: | lol |
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| [18:41:01] | lwizardl: | I am getting tired of my current cable box constantly needing to be either reset or unhooked for 5 mins and then resetup to get my channels back |
| [18:41:16] | tmkt: | hdhr is nice and cheap now..99$ for the 2 tuner version |
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| [18:43:35] | skd5aner: | BTW, anyone know how silicondust gets the images for the channel lineups on their site? |
| [18:43:49] | iamlindoro: | via phone home |
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| [18:43:59] | JEDIDIAH__: | how would you sort them out if you had more than one (HDHR)? |
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| [18:44:17] | skd5aner: | JEDIDIAH__: they have unique identifiers |
| [18:44:35] | lwizardl: | tmkt, hdhr ? HDHomeRun ? |
| [18:44:39] | tmkt: | yeah |
| [18:44:40] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: That is, when a user's HDHR sends home the channel data, it also submits a screenshot |
| [18:44:51] | JEDIDIAH__: | my current antenna position misses one channel. |
| [18:44:52] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: so, what triggers a "phone home"? |
| [18:45:18] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: It is baked into their firmware to do periodic scans and phone homes |
| [18:45:23] | tmkt: | JEDIDIAH__: that is annoying |
| [18:45:32] | tmkt: | then you adjust it to get that channel |
| [18:45:34] | tmkt: | and lose 3 others |
| [18:45:37] | JEDIDIAH__: | yup |
| [18:45:40] | lwizardl: | tmkt, hmm because thier site still lists the dual at $150 |
| [18:46:01] | tmkt: | lwizardl: yeah...there was a link in the mailing list a couple days ago with a site selling it off to 99$ |
| [18:46:03] | tmkt: | trying to find it |
| [18:46:05] | tmkt: | 70$ off |
| [18:46:14] | lwizardl: | hmm |
| [18:46:20] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: interesting feature |
| [18:46:27] | tmkt: | newegg i think |
| [18:46:56] | tmkt: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 05-_-Product |
| [18:47:59] | lwizardl: | damn "limit 99 per customer" |
| [18:48:29] | skd5aner: | I dare you to hook 99 HDHRs into your network and MythTV system |
| [18:49:09] | lwizardl: | skd5aner, hehe I've never used one of them so I don't know what that would do |
| [18:49:11] | skd5aner: | I mean, 198 physical tuners... why not |
| [18:49:38] | lwizardl: | I wonder if that would be considered a dvr farm |
| [18:50:05] | skd5aner: | well, if you COULD use all tuners, you'll likely flood your network, bottleneck your HDs (assuming you didn't have 198 drives too), and max out your CPU if you were doing any sort of commflag, etc |
| [18:50:17] | skd5aner: | unless you specifically built everything to be able to handle it |
| [18:51:34] | tmkt: | 89$ with that promo code |
| [18:51:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oh, and $10 off with promo code, bringing it back to $89.99 |
| [18:52:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | yeah. ;-) Gee, 3 seconds quicker than me. ;-) |
| [18:52:07] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I wonder if they screenshots silicon dust has for my area are from me ;) |
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| [18:52:32] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: and, I'd love to see if it'll show what the HDHR Prime is capable of tuning for a provider in an area |
| [18:52:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: or the ones from my zip from me... ;-) |
| [18:52:55] | JEDIDIAH__: | it's gotta include the DRM flags though. |
| [18:53:06] | tmkt: | and 69$ for the re-certified one |
| [18:53:09] | JEDIDIAH__: | "sorry Linux users, no usable channels for your zipcode" |
| [18:53:19] | skd5aner: | JEDIDIAH__: linux doesn't play into it... |
| [18:53:47] | skd5aner: | JEDIDIAH__: all decoding is done, TTBOMK, on the device itself, which is /why/ it will be able to be leveraged within an open source project such as linux |
| [18:53:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | JEDIDIAH__: eh? "Whatca' talkin' about, Willis?" |
| [18:53:56] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Linux does matter |
| [18:54:06] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Windows users will ahve access to all channels in WMC |
| [18:54:09] | wagnerrp: | s/decoding/decryption/ |
| [18:54:13] | iamlindoro: | Linux users will have access to Copy Freely channels |
| [18:54:14] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [18:54:34] | iamlindoro: | So yes, the OS does have a bearing on what will be available on the same hardware where the prime is concerned |
| [18:54:42] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: hmmmm, that was not my understanding but I'll conceed that you're probably correct |
| [18:54:43] | wagnerrp: | the device requires that whatever device is to receive them must be able to maintain the protected video chain |
| [18:54:45] | JEDIDIAH__: | this is why I am in no rush to defect to my local landline cable provider. |
| [18:54:45] | wagnerrp: | which linux cannot do |
| [18:54:56] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Your understanding was flawed ;) |
| [18:55:07] | skd5aner: | a blemish here and there ;) |
| [18:55:42] | JEDIDIAH__: | can't have people freely copying stuff they could just download from the internet already... |
| [18:55:48] | skd5aner: | well, that's interesting... that definitely lessens the appeal (a little) |
| [18:56:30] | skd5aner: | mainly, because I'm a TWC user and I have 0 faith that I'll be able to receive any more as COPY FREELY than I do currently with QAM |
| [18:56:37] | skd5aner: | I guess that waits to be seen :) |
| [18:56:52] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: TWC won't give you much of anything Copy Freely, apparently |
| [18:57:04] | trumee: | crap!, they have got xbmc running on Nokia N900. I need mythtv too :((((((((((((((((((, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAH8GqYmeGs |
| [18:57:20] | iamlindoro: | The only people likely to make off like bandits where Myth + Prime are concerned are people in Comcast markets |
| [18:57:27] | fmilo: | does anyone uses the hauppage 2250 also to encode ? |
| [18:57:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: I did a "Clear QAM" scan on my FiOS TV cable, and I got something like 200 channels... All "Government" locals... Not even worth wasting a tuner on... |
| [18:57:45] | iamlindoro: | And that's because of a n agreement between comcast and Tivo to make things slightly more accessible for Tivos in-house recording sharing solution |
| [18:57:55] | ** trumee hopes that mythtv is compilable in Meego ** | |
| [18:58:10] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: yea, good article about it here – http://hd.engadget.com/2009/09/24/a-first-han . . . indows-7-me/ |
| [18:59:05] | skd5aner: | (4th paragraph) |
| [19:00:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | fmilo: I use a 250 ... ;-) — and have used 150's, 350's and 500's too. But now that I'm mostly HD, I only use one for a lowly SD IPTV STB that I have for the wife... |
| [19:01:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | fmilo: IE: "250" , not "2250" ;-) old-school. ;-) |
| [19:01:24] | fmilo: | J-e-f-f-A: I am acquiring cable ATSC tv |
| [19:01:27] | ** J-e-f-f-A should sell his other tuners... humm... ** | |
| [19:01:36] | fmilo: | can't do old school :| |
| [19:02:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | fmilo: Well, the ATSC tuner just dumps the 'raw' stream to the system – no encoding to be done. It's only when you're recording Analog (or SD via the Video inputs) that you're using the on-board MPEG2 encoder. |
| [19:03:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | fmilo: I have only used S-video inputs on my Hauppauge SD tuners, and the resulting MPEG has been 'perfect' IMHO. Excellent quality... |
| [19:03:32] | fmilo: | J-e-f-f-A: ah that make sense, I was wondering if you can re-encode the mpeg2 stream to a lower bit rate one |
| [19:04:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | fmilo: You can specify the bitrates at which it will record within mythtv's recording profiles, yes. |
| [19:04:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | for Analog sources. |
| [19:04:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | For Digital, what comes in is what you get. ;-) |
| [19:04:33] | fmilo: | :D |
| [19:04:56] | fmilo: | so what is the maximum number of cards per box recomended ? |
| [19:05:07] | fmilo: | 2 cards with 2 tuners each ? |
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| [19:05:18] | iamlindoro: | We don't have a recommended maximum |
| [19:05:19] | fmilo: | 3 cards x 2 tuners ? |
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| [19:05:56] | fmilo: | the PCI bus does not get saturated right ? 20Mps x 10 < 8Gps of the pci |
| [19:06:07] | tmkt: | he prime...other then the additional tuner any other benefit to ota users? |
| [19:06:24] | iamlindoro: | fmilo: How much do you think an HD stream is? |
| [19:06:37] | fmilo: | iamlindoro: 20 |
| [19:06:37] | fmilo: | M |
| [19:06:39] | fmilo: | ps ? |
| [19:06:40] | iamlindoro: | fmilo: You could fit 20 tuners worth of HD on a single USB connection |
| [19:07:01] | fmilo: | iamlindoro: nice :) |
| [19:07:08] | iamlindoro: | PCI bus will just laugh at that kind of streaming |
| [19:08:15] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, USB 1.0 or 2? |
| [19:08:23] | tgm4883: | :) |
| [19:08:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | fmilo: I have 7 tuners currently – but 4 are network (two HD-HomeRun) – two are USB (HD-PVR Encoders) and one is PCI. |
| [19:08:41] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883: Heh, I guess given Myth users who would likely TRY to use USB 1.0, I should be more specific |
| [19:09:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | wait, is clever here? ;-) hehehehe |
| [19:09:22] | wagnerrp: | wasnt 1.0 only available for a couple months before 1.1 came out? |
| [19:09:24] | tgm4883: | yes you should |
| [19:09:38] | tgm4883: | otherwise you have nobody else to blame but yourself :) |
| [19:13:59] | ikevin-: | anyone know what can i use to stream tv to myth? |
| [19:14:26] | ikevin-: | i've iptv on my dsl and i would to get it working under myth |
| [19:14:51] | ikevin-: | i can view it using vlc so don't work under myth |
| [19:15:17] | ikevin-: | (i try to add my stream using the freebox playlist) |
| [19:15:55] | ikevin-: | i've tryed using http or rtsp/asap stream |
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| [19:36:28] | dapper-daniel: | hej! |
| [19:36:36] | dapper-daniel: | i still try to get iptv working |
| [19:37:06] | dapper-daniel: | can someone tell me if i can receive a http stream? |
| [19:37:29] | dapper-daniel: | all i found in m3u files was udp://blabla |
| [19:41:36] | iamlindoro: | no, it cannot |
| [19:41:42] | iamlindoro: | rtsp and udp, that's is |
| [19:41:43] | iamlindoro: | er it |
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| [19:47:54] | dapper-daniel: | ok this explains why its not working... |
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| [19:48:11] | dapper-daniel: | is there a way to include a http stream? |
| [19:48:21] | wagnerrp: | write a patch to do so |
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| [19:48:43] | AlVal: | someone remind me what the bit in i5/i7 cpus is that mythtv doesn't use yet? |
| [19:48:55] | AlVal: | sorry this was already discussed, something around their graphical ability |
| [19:48:56] | wagnerrp: | think of it this way... if any of the devs had access to that IPTV system, they would have already written support for it |
| [19:49:08] | wagnerrp: | and you cant very well write support for something you dont have access to |
| [19:49:21] | wagnerrp: | AlVal: VAAPI, the hardware accelerated decoding interface |
| [19:49:24] | AlVal: | thats either not supported by linux or just not by mythtv as yet |
| [19:49:26] | AlVal: | aah yes thanks |
| [19:49:38] | wagnerrp: | technically, the i7 processors have no graphical ability to speak of |
| [19:49:43] | wagnerrp: | neither do the quad core i5s |
| [19:49:56] | wagnerrp: | only the dual core i3s and i5s have integrated graphics |
| [19:50:34] | wagnerrp: | which is generally considered to be on par with performance out of a geforce 9400 or GT210 |
| [19:50:52] | wagnerrp: | which is... not much but plenty for myth's needs |
| [19:51:06] | AlVal: | im went to #linux to ask the guys which cpu i should choose for the mobo http://www.zotacusa.com/specsheet/GF9300-K-E_ . . . R3)_v1.1.pdf |
| [19:51:22] | AlVal: | and now theyre blabbing on about how i should have gone i3/i5 |
| [19:51:42] | AlVal: | something about not needing vaapi if theres enough cpu |
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| [19:57:51] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [19:58:03] | wagnerrp: | you dont need vaapi (or vdpau) if you use one of those cpus |
| [19:58:08] | wagnerrp: | its nice, but unnecessary |
| [19:59:04] | AlVal: | see i have a choice of mini-itx mobos |
| [19:59:17] | AlVal: | i can either choose one which supports i3/i5/i7 but no onboard graphics |
| [19:59:30] | AlVal: | or one which has 775 socket and onboard nvidia 9300 |
| [19:59:40] | dapper-daniel: | hmm it's an iptv setup here in our university... |
| [19:59:54] | AlVal: | so trying to establish , when added to price of cpu, which constitutes the best buy for a mythtv frontend |
| [20:00:22] | JEDIDIAH__: | I didn't realize that any intel graphics was even up to the level of the 9400 |
| [20:00:50] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: yeah, the GMAHD stuff isnt bad |
| [20:01:07] | AlVal: | I can work out the difference in cpus using benchmarking graphs |
| [20:01:20] | wagnerrp: | from benchmarks anyway, ive got no personal experience with either |
| [20:01:29] | AlVal: | but I don't know how to factor in the difference that the extra nvidia9300 makes on the core2 motherboard |
| [20:01:50] | AlVal: | whether core2 + 9300 > i3/i5/i7 |
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| [20:05:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | I've benchmarked my own stuff over the years. No i3 or i5 or i7 though. |
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| [20:08:32] | wagnerrp: | http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Graphics-M . . . 23065.0.html |
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| [20:09:39] | AlVal: | http://www.zotacusa.com/zotac-h55itx-c-e-lga- . . . erboard.html |
| [20:09:45] | AlVal: | what are arrandale cpus? |
| [20:09:50] | AlVal: | i3/i5/i7? |
| [20:10:08] | wagnerrp: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrandale |
| [20:10:19] | AlVal: | see thats the zotac board that supports lga1156 |
| [20:10:32] | Coded1: | how are the new sandy bridge supported in the kernel right now? |
| [20:11:19] | Coded1: | apparently for transcoding their pretty amazing |
| [20:11:29] | wagnerrp: | well... sorta |
| [20:11:35] | wagnerrp: | they have a hardware transcoding engine |
| [20:11:43] | wagnerrp: | so if you can tap into it, it may be decent |
| [20:11:52] | wagnerrp: | capability and quality has still yet to be seen |
| [20:12:04] | AlVal: | so I either buy the lga1156 mini itx board + one of those arrandale processors |
| [20:12:18] | AlVal: | or core2 + onboard nvidia 9300 |
| [20:12:43] | AlVal: | just gotta work out which is currently the best buy |
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| [20:13:08] | Coded1: | there were a couple benchmarks on slashdot the other day i'll see if I can dig them up, apparently it was right next to software rendering in terms of quality but took the doors off both AMD and Nvidia |
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| [20:13:13] | wagnerrp: | no, the arrandale line are mobile chips, and use a different socket than that motherboard |
| [20:13:25] | wagnerrp: | whatever said that board supported the arrandale processors is wrong |
| [20:13:51] | bindi: | this is just what i've spotted on some forums etc: the i3 530 is about the same as E8400, and intel has better quality in this gpu decoding stuff than nvidia does |
| [20:13:55] | bindi: | and it's clarkdale :) |
| [20:14:36] | AlVal: | "socket g" |
| [20:14:50] | wagnerrp: | our own video output dev says otherwise |
| [20:15:01] | wagnerrp: | that VAAPI really still isnt ready for mainstream |
| [20:15:08] | wagnerrp: | the AMD stuff is basically unusable |
| [20:15:19] | wagnerrp: | and the intel stuff is still too unstable for production use |
| [20:15:32] | bindi: | this might have been the case for windows :p |
| [20:15:43] | wagnerrp: | VAAPI does not exist on windows |
| [20:15:53] | wagnerrp: | so no, thats not the case |
| [20:15:55] | bindi: | i mean the quality thing i said |
| [20:15:58] | bindi: | ati > intel > nvidia |
| [20:16:20] | wagnerrp: | nvidia is the only one with a reliable, functioning video decoding interface for linux |
| [20:16:32] | wagnerrp: | and ATI has always had garbage linux drivers |
| [20:16:40] | wagnerrp: | so in the context of mythtv... nvidia > intel > ati |
| [20:16:49] | Coded1: | true |
| [20:17:17] | AlVal: | so i stick with my original choice of mobo with onboard 9300 nvidia + whatever the currently best buy core2 processor is |
| [20:17:35] | Coded1: | Atoms + ION2 setups are nice |
| [20:17:50] | wagnerrp: | IONs make acceptable frontends, not nice ones |
| [20:18:13] | wagnerrp: | a nice frontend has enough CPU power to make up for the deficiencies of whatever hardware decoding engine youre are using |
| [20:18:14] | AlVal: | Coded1: I gather they're processing weaklings |
| [20:18:33] | wagnerrp: | and they will all have deficiencies, since they are hard coded in silicon and not adaptable |
| [20:18:45] | JEDIDIAH__: | Without the GPU, an ION box is pretty worthless. |
| [20:18:51] | Coded1: | AlVal, nope, plays 1080p nicely but thats mostly what their good for |
| [20:18:58] | AlVal: | i guess now that i3/i5/i7 are current generation, it might make the core2 stuff a good buy at the moment |
| [20:19:09] | wagnerrp: | Coded1: '1080p' is a completely worthless phrase |
| [20:19:19] | wagnerrp: | what codec, what bitrate, what compression options, what.... |
| [20:19:19] | JEDIDIAH__: | ok then... |
| [20:19:22] | Coded1: | you can get a zotac box for about $200 with VESA mounts runs on about 45W |
| [20:19:26] | JEDIDIAH__: | "plays BluRay without skipping a beat" |
| [20:19:39] | wagnerrp: | see, now thats an acceptable statement |
| [20:19:44] | AlVal: | so some video formats will suddenly show up the weakness of the atom cpu, when the gpu doesnt handle it |
| [20:19:46] | Coded1: | yup |
| [20:20:04] | JEDIDIAH__: | I haven't seen it. but I also avoid interlaced content. |
| [20:20:06] | wagnerrp: | 'bluray' implies a specific medium, and more importantly, one that will have zero to no encoding errors |
| [20:20:19] | wagnerrp: | when youre talking about broadcast content, you can and will have errors |
| [20:20:38] | JEDIDIAH__: | I'm happy if the frontend doesn't crash on broadcast content. |
| [20:20:38] | wagnerrp: | and hardware decoders will never be as robust as software at dealing with those errors |
| [20:21:06] | wagnerrp: | similarly if you want to do stuff streamed online, there is no standard format for the content |
| [20:21:20] | wagnerrp: | so with a hardware decoder and no worthwhile CPU to back it up, you may be SOL |
| [20:21:25] | wagnerrp: | which is often the case with flash content |
| [20:21:48] | AlVal: | http://paulisageek.com/compare/cpu/ |
| [20:21:55] | Coded1: | Shouldn't be that bad, x264/MPEG2 are both supported, it's unlikely your tuner sends an odd ball format to the decoder |
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| [20:22:23] | JEDIDIAH__: | I dunno. I don't think web purveyors of video can get away with much video freakiness. They have to worry about an entire universe of lame underpowered hardware. |
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| [20:23:20] | AlVal: | ntel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor |
| [20:23:26] | Coded1: | x246 is gaining a lot of popularity mostly because of the mobile market |
| [20:23:32] | AlVal: | seems like thats the best price/performance at the moment |
| [20:23:39] | wagnerrp: | x246? |
| [20:23:53] | Coded1: | sorry, x264 |
| [20:23:56] | JEDIDIAH__: | h264 gives you nice compression and good enough performance if you have GPU decoding. |
| [20:24:00] | AlVal: | think ill settle on that + the onboard 9300 working together |
| [20:24:16] | JEDIDIAH__: | otherwise it's not going to work out. That's why some of us use IONs. |
| [20:24:18] | wagnerrp: | what does x264 have to do with the mobile market? |
| [20:24:25] | wagnerrp: | youre not going to be encoding video on a handled tablet |
| [20:24:39] | JEDIDIAH__: | just you wait. |
| [20:24:46] | JEDIDIAH__: | I like to use mencoder as my take on Norton SI |
| [20:24:56] | wagnerrp: | you use a big, bulky quad core or 8-core desktop for that |
| [20:25:17] | JEDIDIAH__: | it's still a nice artificial benchmark. |
| [20:25:37] | Coded1: | mostly for web browsing H264 profiles are getting big |
| [20:25:40] | wagnerrp: | im trying to imply that x264 is just one specific software encoder |
| [20:25:44] | wagnerrp: | h264 is the actual format |
| [20:26:02] | Coded1: | agreed |
| [20:26:26] | JEDIDIAH__: | x264 is "relevant to the mobile market" if you have something that's not already h264 or is too high a profile. |
| [20:26:53] | wagnerrp: | only for personal users encoding their own content for their mobile devices |
| [20:27:02] | wagnerrp: | which is an exceedingly small segment of the population |
| [20:27:14] | JEDIDIAH__: | I dunno. they have enough payware dedicated to that very problem. |
| [20:27:26] | Coded1: | true but with more low power PC |
| [20:27:46] | Coded1: | ... PC's they can likely fall back on H264 |
| [20:28:07] | wagnerrp: | yes, pcs with accelerated h264 decoding, not x264 |
| [20:28:20] | Coded1: | yes |
| [20:28:47] | wagnerrp: | most people are just going to be using whatever they get from their cell provider, or from itunes, or from someone else that encodes their content |
| [20:28:50] | wagnerrp: | they are not using x264 |
| [20:29:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | not directly anyways |
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| [20:31:51] | Coded1: | I wouldn't mind seeing myth running on the new Samsung Orion SoC |
| [20:31:53] | Coded1: | 's |
| [20:32:31] | Coded1: | can drive 2 internal and external HDMI HDCP 1080p individually |
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| [20:33:18] | wagnerrp: | that is... if samsung released the specs and data sheets for accessing their decoders |
| [20:34:00] | wagnerrp: | mythtv already compiles and runs on the ARM |
| [20:34:09] | wagnerrp: | but that doesnt mean anything without access to the hardware decoders |
| [20:34:49] | Coded1: | if you have root access to an Android system can you run C code? |
| [20:35:11] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [20:35:17] | Coded1: | that sucks |
| [20:35:28] | Coded1: | no JNI? |
| [20:35:54] | Coded1: | some one would have to port myth to java ... lol |
| [20:37:41] | AlVal: | SATA 3.0 Gb/s port = "sata iii"? |
| [20:37:49] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [20:37:57] | wagnerrp: | a SATA3 port is 6gbps |
| [20:38:14] | wagnerrp: | SATA2 is 3gbps |
| [20:38:17] | wagnerrp: | SATA1 is 1.5gbps |
| [20:38:52] | AlVal: | ah cool, so the mobo sata ports must be "sata ii" |
| [20:38:59] | wagnerrp: | since its an 8:10b transfer scheme, you only get 80% of the total throughput |
| [20:39:13] | wagnerrp: | so theyre 150MB/s, 300MB/s, and 600MB/s effectively |
| [20:39:39] | AlVal: | i never meet people as technically proficient as you in real life. such people only ever exist on the net |
| [20:40:40] | AlVal: | Hope you manage to turn your knowledge to 'nuff bucks |
| [20:41:13] | wagnerrp: | meh, this is all stuff that could be found in a couple minutes on wikipedia |
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| [20:41:29] | JEDIDIAH__: | the net represents a larger population, self selecting in some respects too. |
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| [20:41:41] | AlVal: | you know what i mean. its like in real life everyone treats you like the greated computing genius |
| [20:41:52] | AlVal: | but you're always aware of your true place in the scheme of things |
| [20:42:01] | AlVal: | and how truly great some of the other minds out there are |
| [20:42:37] | AlVal: | but in your everyday life, the people you deal with don't know anyone more advanced technically than you |
| [20:42:40] | AlVal: | im sure you get the same |
| [20:43:15] | JEDIDIAH__: | It's not what you know but how you approach the unknown. |
| [20:43:35] | AlVal: | ah, I'm a sucker for philosophising too haha |
| [20:44:00] | JEDIDIAH__: | I Google, therefore I am. |
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| [20:44:43] | wagnerrp: | if you are too afraid to reach behind the computer because you think you will be electrocuted, the guy who can use the color coded accessory plugs seems like a genius |
| [20:44:47] | wagnerrp: | everything is relative |
| [20:45:11] | jokajak: | wagnerrp: well said |
| [20:45:18] | JEDIDIAH__: | isn't there a mythtv youtube video to that effect... "my myth box electrocutes me" |
| [20:45:46] | jokajak: | if i have some enhancements for the packaging component of the MythTV github project should i open a trac issue or just submit a pull request? |
| [20:47:17] | wagnerrp: | jokajak: either works, ticket is probably preferred |
| [20:48:00] | AlVal: | is 16gb hard disk enough for mythtv box? |
| [20:48:12] | AlVal: | ill keep all content on a nas on the network somewhere |
| [20:48:24] | jokajak: | then what would you be saving locally? |
| [20:48:25] | JEDIDIAH__: | 16G is more than enough. |
| [20:48:28] | AlVal: | like video recordings etc, im thinking just the OS etc |
| [20:48:30] | wagnerrp: | for system and database, 16GB is plenty |
| [20:48:38] | wagnerrp: | but if you actually have an old 16GB hard drive |
| [20:48:41] | AlVal: | cool. |
| [20:48:42] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt trust it for anything |
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| [20:48:50] | AlVal: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139428 |
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| [20:49:14] | JEDIDIAH__: | This is one of my dedicated frontends |
| [20:49:15] | JEDIDIAH__: | Main PC downstairs streaming to TV in bonus room, less cabling. |
| [20:49:15] | JEDIDIAH__: | I'd buy that for a dollar. |
| [20:49:25] | JEDIDIAH__: | /dev/sda1 19G 3.9G 14G 23% / |
| [20:50:11] | JEDIDIAH__: | that middle part is a mistake... |
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| [20:56:20] | elmojo: | abqjp: have ever tried using the ArcSoft TotalMedia Extreme with the hd-pvr? |
| [20:56:42] | elmojo: | it makes me concerned that there maybe an issue with my hd-pvr |
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| [20:57:32] | JEDIDIAH__: | what? the payware app can't handle the output from the 1212? |
| [20:58:25] | JEDIDIAH__: | does it work in MythTV? If it does, then I would think it's not a hardware problem. |
| [21:02:53] | jokajak: | is mythtv going to transition to jira instead of trac? |
| [21:03:17] | jokajak: | aw, fisheye crashed :( |
| [21:05:44] | iamlindoro: | no, we have abandoned ideas of using Jire |
| [21:05:47] | iamlindoro: | er Jira |
| [21:06:09] | jokajak: | may i ask why? |
| [21:06:10] | iamlindoro: | Trac is and will remain our bug tracking system |
| [21:06:16] | iamlindoro: | Because Jira sucked |
| [21:06:24] | iamlindoro: | both memory, and "in general" |
| [21:06:38] | jokajak: | it definitely sucks memory |
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| [21:07:18] | jokajak: | what about fisheye? it seems to me that fisheye isn't useful since it is hosted on github |
| [21:07:30] | iamlindoro: | No plans to use fisheye either |
| [21:08:47] | elmojo: | JEDIDIAH_: haven't had a chance to test under linux yet |
| [21:13:16] | abqjp: | elmojo: I have not tried the Microsoft OS software since I first got my HD-PVR. Back then it was crap. Based on how that software performed I would have assumed the HD-PVR was junk. Fortunately, it works much better under Linux! |
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| [21:13:56] | elmojo: | abqjp: given I'm running W7 64-bit probably doesn't help either |
| [21:14:13] | elmojo: | I don't think the software has been updated in over 3 years either |
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| [21:23:01] | wagnerrp: | lxde... thats a new one |
| [21:25:33] | Crys: | I'm trying to configure MythWelcome idle shutdown but it's not working as expected. I've a single machine with frontend and backend. "Mythwelcome -> Menu -> shutdown now" shuts down the machine just fine. However mythwelcome idle just stops the backend process and not the machine. |
| [21:26:16] | Crys: | The console shows "MythWelcome received a SHUTDOWN_NOW event", then "Event socket closed." |
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| [21:26:54] | dannyboy1121x: | Hello folks .. silly question perhaps, but probably not the first time it's been asked – is it possible to re-use an old SKY box as a hardware platform? |
| [21:27:51] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [21:28:15] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not support whatever hardware decoding chip your SKY box uses |
| [21:28:25] | dannyboy1121x: | I had to ask |
| [21:28:37] | wagnerrp: | not does your SKY box have sufficient memory to run a modern linux distro, much less myth's own overhead |
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| [21:28:54] | wagnerrp: | for better or worse, no one has been particularly concerned with keeping memory consumption down in mythtv |
| [21:29:18] | dannyboy1121x: | Understood ... I wonder what the memory spec is for the Sky HD box |
| [21:29:20] | wagnerrp: | the frontend isnt happy on a system less than 512MB or so |
| [21:30:01] | wagnerrp: | but considering its hard to come by a machine with that little memory these days, and most people run mythfrontends as dedicated boxes, its not a big problem |
| [21:30:26] | dannyboy1121x: | Understood |
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| [21:37:17] | clever: | wagnerrp: my current frontend has exactly 512mb and runs fairly well |
| [21:37:27] | clever: | the old one has 256 and lagged like hell |
| [21:37:46] | clever: | playback often timed out and gave up on the first try |
| [21:37:54] | wagnerrp: | my laptop doesnt do bad with 384, take out the extra 128 and im swapping heavily |
| [21:38:02] | wagnerrp: | but that wasnt using a lot of artwork |
| [21:38:11] | wagnerrp: | if you use artwork, you can quickly overrun even 512 |
| [21:38:18] | clever: | the 512mb system is a bit overloaded right now |
| [21:38:29] | clever: | its storing a ~490mb root image in ram, and overflowing into swap |
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| [21:39:09] | clever: | bigest problem i have is lost 'packets' from the psysical keyboard |
| [21:39:21] | clever: | i hit left arrow to rewind a video, it looses the 'key up' packet |
| [21:39:29] | clever: | and rewinds all the way to the begining! :P |
| [21:39:53] | clever: | then i spend 5 minutes fighting the seek + cache + wifi to get back to where i was |
| [21:44:48] | wagnerrp: | elmojo: did anyone really use rvmb ever anyway? |
| [21:45:03] | elmojo: | apparently that guy does |
| [21:45:22] | elmojo: | since he did the investigation and found the solution I would hate not to help |
| [21:45:51] | elmojo: | if we don't fix these type of problems people will complain that they need external player support |
| [21:45:52] | wagnerrp: | i would check that patch first, from the ffmpeg ticket he referenced, the patch fixed the incorrect framerate listing but there was still hard frame dropping |
| [21:45:59] | wagnerrp: | which is why i commented that is was not complete |
| [21:46:23] | elmojo: | they are separate issues from what I can tell |
| [21:46:27] | wagnerrp: | "The patch(es) in this thread do fix the "fps" output, but don't change the actual behaviour (dropping frames) for ffmpeg, ffplay and mplayer -demuxer lavf" |
| [21:46:36] | wagnerrp: | ah, so were not affected by the dropped frames? |
| [21:46:48] | elmojo: | the patch corrects the code to get the correct fps |
| [21:47:01] | elmojo: | dunno if we are or not |
| [21:47:13] | elmojo: | apparently xbmc uses the patch that I linked to |
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| [21:56:21] | stuartm: | http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/markkermode/2011/0 . . . works_1.html |
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| [22:03:33] | wagnerrp: | its the futcha of entuhtainmunt |
| [22:05:40] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weP6aliP7ms |
| [22:06:50] | Crys: | Can anybody help me with my MythWelcome issue? It's still stopping the backend proces instead of shutting down the machine. I've read the wiki texts multiple times and can't find an error. |
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| [22:12:54] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: heh, 'it's like I can touch you' |
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| [22:14:38] | wagnerrp: | i think that guy took too much LDS in the 70s |
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| [22:19:29] | stuartm: | the ants bit is supposedly common for meth addicts |
| [22:20:42] | stuartm: | although probably others drugs too, PKD makes frequent reference to it in "Through the scanner darkly" iirc |
| [22:21:04] | wagnerrp: | never actually read any of his books |
| [22:21:16] | wagnerrp: | that movie never caught my interest |
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| [22:24:05] | stuartm: | as works of fiction they are actually pretty poor, but he does have some really great ideas and perspectives, I like much of his stuff as works of philosophy or just insight into a very different mind to my own :) |
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| [22:27:47] | stuartm: | PKD spends much of his time posing mind-bending "what if's" and sometimes they are genuinely interesting questions |
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| [22:30:50] | geocode: | Is anyone here familiar with problems or solutions about getting the channel line working right? It detected about 90 channels, but all of the information is wrong. I created a schedules direct account and it accessed and downloaded a lot of information. But the program guide is worthless because it only really recognized about 5 of the 95 channels. I am using an hdhomerun with digital cable. |
| [22:31:57] | iamlindoro: | The program guide isn't worthless, you just haven't completed configuration-- you need to match the xmlid's of the channels in your lineup at schedules direct to the ones on your system |
| [22:32:36] | iamlindoro: | There's no way for schedules direct to know what physical channel and subchannel your cable company has their programming on, and the cable company doesn't broadcast in-band information to properly reassign them to virtual channels |
| [22:33:04] | iamlindoro: | So part of using any non-MS DVR is editing the channels and assigning them their corresponding ID number |
| [22:33:22] | iamlindoro: | And optionally, giving them a human-readable channel number |
| [22:33:56] | geocode: | Okay so where is this xmlid information for the channels |
| [22:34:00] | iamlindoro: | You can open your lineup at schedules direct, mouse over something, and it will show you the xmlid-- then figure out what channel matches it, and using mythweb or mythtv-setup, put that number into the xmlid field |
| [22:34:06] | geocode: | And I have to do all of them? |
| [22:34:11] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [22:34:38] | iamlindoro: | You can mouse over them in the lineup editor at SD, or you can click "Report" next to your lineups and the numbers next to each channel name are the xmlid |
| [22:35:06] | geocode: | Okay super much thanks! And lastly before I run off to learn more, Schedule direct asked me for my cable company and style (digital) and so it was listed — this is why I thought it would work differently I guess |
| [22:35:24] | geocode: | Thanks much, I'm going to go study a bit more on this... |
| [22:35:54] | iamlindoro: | You chose the correct lineup, but since you are using digital tuning and the CC doesn't send the virtual channel mapping for you to use, you need to correct your channel numbers and match the XMLids |
| [22:36:28] | geocode: | Okay I got the report from Schedule's direct... Looking for similar xmlid info on mythfrontend now. |
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| [22:36:41] | iamlindoro: | nowhere in mythfrontend |
| [22:36:51] | iamlindoro: | mythtv-setup's channel editor, or the editor in mythweb |
| [22:37:01] | iamlindoro: | I personally prefer mythweb |
| [22:37:37] | geocode: | Yeah I'm sorry I meant myth-setup .... I haven't seen mythweb |
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| [22:38:26] | geocode: | yum install mythweb complete :-) |
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| [22:46:47] | geocode: | Can xmltv be of any help in this process? I don't see any xmlids in the mythtv-setup channel editor |
| [22:47:01] | geocode: | Or at least no numbers that match the xmlid I see on schedules direct |
| [22:47:09] | geocode: | I can't wait to know all the pieces.... |
| [22:47:10] | iamlindoro: | You don't get them *from* the editor, you put them *in* the editor |
| [22:47:30] | geocode: | Okay |
| [22:47:38] | iamlindoro: | Print out the report from schedules direct. Now start watching channels and make a note of which channels are which, then go to the editor and put the xmlids in appropriately |
| [22:47:47] | geocode: | That helps a little more... Man this is making me feel silly |
| [22:47:48] | geocode: | thanks |
| [22:48:01] | iamlindoro: | Then run mythfilldatabase --refresh-all --refresh-today |
| [22:48:28] | iamlindoro: | and if you really want it all to make sense, run mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates --dd-grab-all |
| [22:48:46] | iamlindoro: | Which will change all the nonsense channel numbers to the ones you would expect (ie, the ones from schedules direct) |
| [22:48:59] | iamlindoro: | but the first step is to figure out which channels are which, and to put the right xmlids in |
| [22:49:39] | geocode: | Yep |
| [22:49:55] | geocode: | And I finally figured out how to edit the channels... so obvious now... |
| [22:51:46] | geocode: | Okay so I don't need to change the channel names while I'm editing the xmlids... It will fill those in later when I do the mythfilldatabase with those options? |
| [22:51:56] | iamlindoro: | Correct |
| [22:52:02] | geocode: | Thanks so much |
| [22:52:08] | iamlindoro: | Just get the xmlids in, then just run the latter of the two mythfilldatabase commands |
| [22:52:16] | iamlindoro: | The former is bad, ignore what I said there |
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| [22:52:25] | iamlindoro: | the latter will do what the former would have done, and fix channel numbers |
| [22:52:28] | geocode: | I wish there were an automated tool.... but I'm very happy that you have shown me how to do it! |
| [22:52:31] | geocode: | Thanks again! |
| [22:52:45] | iamlindoro: | If we had any way of knowing what the physical channel and subchannels were, it would already be automated |
| [22:52:56] | iamlindoro: | but nobody has that info besides the cable co, and they aren't sharing |
| [22:53:07] | iamlindoro: | Because they are douchebags |
| [22:53:38] | geocode: | And I have two lists of channels — one from one of the tv channel shows the 63–4 type number with the channel name and the other from the report. With those two I can edit the channel line up without looking at the tv channels. |
| [22:53:41] | geocode: | Yes they are! |
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| [22:56:53] | geocode: | I may have been too optimistic about matching up those names :-) |
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| [23:16:01] | dtolj: | When I try to watch TV from mythtv i shows me "playback starting..." message and it tunes to channel 4, but all I see is a black screen. in the error log i also see: TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started |
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| [23:18:00] | dtolj: | my tuner by the way works in linux, I am able to watch tv with mplayer /dev/video0 |
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| [23:38:31] | Azelphur: | hmm, how do I use ffmpeg to pull out a clip from a recording? when I run ffmpeg on any recording it says "Invalid frame size" |
| [23:42:38] | dtolj: | Can someone look at my log file with regard to live tv problem: http://pastebin.com/n0HLuQet |
| [23:45:26] | Crys: | Man, that was a tricky bug. I have a script that shuts down the backend and removes the driver for my DVB-S card for pm-suspend. mythwelcomes sends a signal to mythtv-backend which calls mythshutdown which calls pm-suspend. Now pm-suspend is a batch script that terminates mythtv-backend through my script. Since pm-suspend is a child process of mythtv-backend the suspend process is terminated. |
| [23:48:02] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:49:29] | Crys: | Following the good tradition of a circular firing squad |
| [23:50:18] | clever: | Crys: try calling pm-suspend thru nohup |
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| [23:50:51] | Crys: | clever: that wasn't enough. I'm now using a little tool called "daemon" |
| [23:51:05] | Crys: | It does the full double fork daemonize trick |
| [23:51:17] | clever: | double fork? |
| [23:51:20] | clever: | 1 fork isnt enough? |
| [23:51:50] | clever: | or is it fork, fork, execve? |
| [23:51:55] | Beirdo: | huh?! |
| [23:52:38] | Beirdo: | you need to fork, detach from the parent's group pid, close stdin, stdout, stderr, then execve |
| [23:52:43] | Beirdo: | if you want to daemonize |
| [23:52:49] | Crys: | Let me think ... it should be fork execve fork fork |
| [23:53:17] | Beirdo: | no idea why you'd ever want to fork fork, necessarily |
| [23:53:31] | clever: | same, one fork in daemon should do |
| [23:53:49] | clever: | it doesnt need a child to run the target app, it can just execve right into it |
| [23:54:07] | Beirdo: | but anyways, if ya got it working, cool |
| [23:54:08] | clever: | though the pid may still be known by the parent |
| [23:54:17] | clever: | which may try to murder it |
| [23:54:24] | clever: | a 2nd fork would be the only way to hide from the murderous parrents:P |
| [23:54:25] | Beirdo: | not in this case |
| [23:54:31] | Crys: | IIRC you need a double fork to detach from the parent's process group |
| [23:54:41] | Beirdo: | no, there's a system call to do that |
| [23:54:58] | Beirdo: | setpgid |
| [23:55:30] | Beirdo: | in the child, you set the pgid to the pid of the child |
| [23:55:45] | Beirdo: | then do whatever else you need |
| [23:56:01] | Beirdo: | but whatever. :) you got something that works for you, no need to double-guess it |
| [23:56:17] | clever: | setpgid(0) |
| [23:56:43] | Beirdo: | invalid |
| [23:56:49] | Beirdo: | there are two parameters |
| [23:56:52] | clever: | yeah, it needs 0 or 2 arguments now that i see |
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| [23:57:03] | clever: | setpgid(0,0) |
| [23:57:12] | Beirdo: | there ya go |
| [23:57:35] | clever: | setsid() may also be needed to seperate things more |
| [23:58:09] | Crys: | I can't recall the details. All I remember that I had to do two forks to get a proper daemon process with Python. It's years ago since I implemented the code. |
| [23:58:20] | Beirdo: | oh. with python. |
| [23:58:21] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:58:34] | Beirdo: | that could just be python being retarded. |
| [23:58:50] | clever: | only thing i can think of might be the controlling terminal |
| [23:59:07] | clever: | just closing stdin/out may not detatch from it fully, just prevent children from being attached |
| [23:59:11] | Crys: | http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/66012 |
| [23:59:49] | Beirdo: | anyways, yeah, python may need silly tricks |
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