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Monday, January 3rd, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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FinnTux:

abqjp, ok. I started with 1 sec delay but even 10 msec seems to fix it.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Yeah, maybe it was a year or two more... I got them cheap... Originally I was going to use them on my Amiga system, but then 'stole' them for my MythTV setup. ;-)

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FinnTux:

could the real problem be some sort of thread timing error?

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** FinnTux wishes he would be a programmer **

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antgel:

i notice after new scans, useonairguide is set to true for lots of channels. if i use xmltv, i should set that flag to false, correct?

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[R]:

did you enable eit on the tuner?

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antgel:

[R]: not purposely

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[R]:

its a yes or no question

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antgel:

[R]: one sec, let me check setup

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cipher:

how is mythtv displaying my sms text messages?

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cipher:

all of the sudden i see them scrolling across the screen

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GreyFoxx:

you must be using mythdroid on your android phone ?:)

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[R]:

do you have some myth program installed your phone?

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GreyFoxx:

it has settings to push callerid and sms to your frontend via mythtvosd

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cipher:

weird

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GreyFoxx:

I disabled it on mine :)

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cipher:

has to be connected to my lan tho right?

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GreyFoxx:

well, as long as it can talk to the IP of the FE you programmed into it it will work

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GreyFoxx:

you can just turn those options off :)

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cipher:

so some people can view mythtv on their phones??

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cipher:

doesn't work for me

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RomioTango:

anyone here have any information/experience with FTA and mythtv?

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mattwj2002:

how can you view mythtv on your phone?

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mattwj2002:

how?

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GreyFoxx:

I think it's purpose is for remote controlling your FE

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GreyFoxx:

not for playback on the phone

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mattwj2002:

oh

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RomioTango:

area you talking about mythmote?

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GreyFoxx:

mythdroid

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wagnerrp:

RomioTango: we have information, but we require direct questions

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cipher:

mythdroid

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RomioTango:

i use my droid with mythmote as a FE controller

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cipher:

gives the option to view recordings

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cipher:

i bet my droid can't decode hdpvr recordings..

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RomioTango:

sorry wagnerrp i assumed someone would but didn't know if they were online.. didn't want to post the subject if no one was on

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RomioTango:

at any rate, is it even worth trying to setup a FTA system via mythtv?

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mattwj2002:

man I would love to setup an FTA setup

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RomioTango:

being in the US, i doubt there are that many channels avail.. unencrypted that is

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mattwj2002:

*a

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mattwj2002:

there are some

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wagnerrp:

FTA being...?

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wagnerrp:

FTA broadcast or FTA satellite?

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mattwj2002:

locals, religious, and foreign language

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mattwj2002:

sat is what I was talking about

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RomioTango:

Free-To-Air is sat.. OTA is Over-The-Air, broadcast

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RomioTango:

correct? ... i believe thats the terminology i've seen on the net

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wagnerrp:

yes, that is the correct terminology

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wagnerrp:

you can check lyngsat for available channels

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wagnerrp:

but the pickings arent that great

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RomioTango:

alright.. I was curious as to whether or not anyone had a FTA rig in the US already

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mattwj2002:

if I had a good view of the Southern sky I would set one up

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RomioTango:

wagnerrp, I've looked into lyngsat but I'd still like to talk to someone who has a running rig

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mattwj2002:

RomioTango: I think it is Galaxy 25 has a lot of good stuff on it

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RomioTango:

I've got a DishNet dish at my house from prior owners so I was considering using that an buying an LB on ebay

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RomioTango:

mattwj2002, what type of stuff.. is it unencrypted?

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RomioTango:

I'm not really interested in "testing" with an FTA box

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mattwj2002:

oops

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mattwj2002:

wrong sat

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RomioTango:

I dont feel like getting busted for receiving pirated sat ;)

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[R]:

you can't get "busted" for receiving unencrypted content

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RomioTango:

no i was talking about decrypting encrypted

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RomioTango:

hence me asking whether or not it was unencrypted

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mattwj2002:

hmmm

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mattwj2002:

RomioTango: http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/

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wagnerrp:

RomioTango: decryption is perfectly legal as long as you get a license

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wagnerrp:

from what i understand, the rates are surprising low

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wagnerrp:

providing you have several hundred users you are reselling to

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wagnerrp:

:)

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RomioTango:

haha

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mattwj2002:

RomioTango: if you are http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/print.html

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RomioTango:

it wouldn't be a horrible thing for a university or an apartment complex to utilize

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wagnerrp:

mythmagic?

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RomioTango:

C band requires a rather large dish does it not

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RomioTango:

mythmagic?

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wagnerrp:

2m or so

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clgshaft2:

10' minimum where i am

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clgshaft2:

big ugly dish

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clgshaft2:

lol

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RomioTango:

hah

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clgshaft2:

i would have one if i could

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RomioTango:

I've got a ~30" DishNet dish out there

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RomioTango:

may end up playing w/ that

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RomioTango:

then build a C-band dish if I enjoy playing in the Ku band

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mattwj2002:

I can't find the sat with all the locals

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mattwj2002:

anyone know where it is?

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mattwj2002:

I thought it was Galaxy 25

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mattwj2002:

:(

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RomioTango:

i'm on lyngsat.. how can you tell which are unencrypted?

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RomioTango:

galaxy 25 is 93.1degrees west

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mattwj2002:

by the color

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mattwj2002:

there is a key at the bottom

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RomioTango:

got ya.. i was looking at the sat lists, not the channels :-\ lol

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RomioTango:

ich bin dumcopf? lol

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mattwj2002:

oh

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mattwj2002:

dang it RomioTango

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mattwj2002:

now I want to put up a dish

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mattwj2002:

:P

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RomioTango:

haha

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RomioTango:

yeah but it does't look like it'd be worth it lol

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RomioTango:

next to no decent channels

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RomioTango:

the only stuff that is unencrypted is the type of stuff you wouldn't want to begin with lol

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mattwj2002:

I guess what I would be afraid of is people thinking I was a pirate when I didn't do anything wrong

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RomioTango:

on amc 11 you can get the CW, catholic TV, QVC, C-Span

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RomioTango:

whats it matter if they think you're pirating

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RomioTango:

as soon as they see your system you prove you arent

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mattwj2002:

true

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RomioTango:

i wouldn't mind paying for dish net if they offer a lot in HD tho

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RomioTango:

depending on their rates of course..

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RomioTango:

and content .. directv wasn't horrible but they're extremely sports oriented. I would prefer more science channels myself..

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RomioTango:

well gents my batt is dying and i have to tare apart an old myth frontend

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RomioTango:

turning it into a FE/BE and selling it

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RomioTango:

then building a temporary FE out of my old FE/BE server lol

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mattwj2002:

RomioTango:

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mattwj2002:

here is the way I look at it

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mattwj2002:

a FTA system is a one time investment

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mattwj2002:

why not buy it and get a few channels even if they do kind of suck

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RomioTango:

yeah but when you want zero of the content whats the purpose

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RomioTango:

i agree it'd be cool to have but i just dont see me using any of it lol

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RomioTango:

i mean maybe C-Span but my cable covers that

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mattwj2002:

you don't think you would watch of of it?

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RomioTango:

speaking of cable.. look into the HDhomerun Prime

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RomioTango:

should be coming out in the next few weeks

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mattwj2002:

what about RTV?

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RomioTango:

what is RTV?

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RomioTango:

nothing popped out at me.. lemme say that

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wagnerrp:

i cant imagine how long it takes for this thing to run through

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wagnerrp:

it takes every recording you have, and then does a simple difference matching against every description you have in your guide data

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wagnerrp:

so hundreds to thousands of recordings

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wagnerrp:

each matched against thousands to hundreds of thousands of guide data entries

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mattwj2002:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retro_Television_Network

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wagnerrp:

i dont consider myself to have a large lineup, and ive got 50k entries in my guide data

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wagnerrp:

interested to see the results... but holy crap thats going to take a long time to run

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RomioTango:

are bluray drives 1.5 or 3.0 gbs?

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RomioTango:

trying to decide which sata ports to plug into

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rushfan:

RomioTango: I_imagine_it_depends_on_the_drive_you_bought

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rushfan:

I_own_a_blueray_drive_but_i_dont_recall_what_speed_it_is

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rushfan:

sorry_btw_i_broke_my_spacebar

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wagnerrp:

RomioTango: doesnt really matter, since youre not going to hit anywhere near either of their peak throughputs

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wagnerrp:

1x BD is something like 8MB/s

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wagnerrp:

either way, sata 1 and 2 are cross compatible

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[R]:

wagnerrp: that's what she said

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wagnerrp:

oh no... only 4.5MB/s

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wagnerrp:

taking material limits into account, apparently the format peaks out around 50MB/s

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wagnerrp:

compared to SATA1's 150MB/s

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iamlindoro:

Well I don't like that

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wagnerrp:

there are people talking!

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wagnerrp:

oh wait...

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iamlindoro:

and in every channel simultaneously

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mattwj2002:

you know what I would do if I was rich?

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wagnerrp:

nothing?

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iamlindoro:

two chicks at once

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wagnerrp:

the kind of chiks who would do that tend to like money

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[R]:

iamlindoro: "two chicks at the same time"

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mattwj2002:

lol

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mattwj2002:

well......

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mattwj2002:

ummm

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mattwj2002:

not what I was thinking of

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mattwj2002:

http://www.televisionarchive.org/

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mattwj2002:

:)

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wagnerrp:

two... men? at the same time?

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mattwj2002:

I would setup an tv archive of my own

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mattwj2002:

:D

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wagnerrp:

so, why would that take being rich?

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mattwj2002:

because

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wagnerrp:

a couple tuners, and an ever expanding collection of hard drives, youre set

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mattwj2002:

it would take about 11 tuners and a ton of hard drives

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wagnerrp:

not a ton

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wagnerrp:

i mean nothing says you have to store it in all its high definition glory

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mattwj2002:

true

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wagnerrp:

only half of them are probably available as such anyway

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mattwj2002:

that would be an insane amount of hard drives

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mattwj2002:

do you think one computer could dump that much data?

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wagnerrp:

considering some HD, some SD, youre probably talking an average 8mbps per channel

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wagnerrp:

so 90mbps sustained

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mattwj2002:

no

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mattwj2002:

22 channels

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mattwj2002:

11 tuners

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mattwj2002:

dual tuners each

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wagnerrp:

there are 22 news channels?

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wagnerrp:

i only know of like 6

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wagnerrp:

plus the various local news broadcasters that only have news a couple hours a day

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mattwj2002:

that is how many OTA channels I get

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wagnerrp:

so you want to record everything, all the time

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mattwj2002:

yes

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wagnerrp:

(off OTA)

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mattwj2002:

yes

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wagnerrp:

you have 22 local stations?

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mattwj2002:

yes but I think some are duplicates

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wagnerrp:

not 22 virtual channels

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wagnerrp:

22 actual broadcasting frequencies

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mattwj2002:

22 virtual channels

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wagnerrp:

on how many frequencies

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mattwj2002:

one second

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mattwj2002:

I am not sure

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wagnerrp:

figure each of the majors will have two, so thats 8–10

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wagnerrp:

pbs will have 5 each

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wagnerrp:

just one pbs station?

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wagnerrp:

rough guess, youve got 6–8 independent broadcasters

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mattwj2002:

it might be 2

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wagnerrp:

so you only need that many tuners

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mattwj2002:

ok

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wagnerrp:

which could reasonably fit in one machine

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mattwj2002:

O_O

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wagnerrp:

3–4 cards, dual tuners, not a problem

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mattwj2002:

what are we talking about Storage per hour?

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wagnerrp:

so 8 streams, 19mbps each, 19MB/s you would be recording

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mattwj2002:

or more logically per month

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wagnerrp:

1.6TB/day

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mattwj2002:

O_O

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wagnerrp:

50TB/mo

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wagnerrp:

so youre talking around $80/day in storage

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wagnerrp:

double if you want redundant

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mattwj2002:

ouch

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mattwj2002:

yeah that isn't happening

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wagnerrp:

or large quantities more if you want online storage

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

plus the physical space need for all that space

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wagnerrp:

now lets say you got perfect commercial detection running

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wagnerrp:

you could chunk off the commercials, and delete duplicates of those

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wagnerrp:

out of the 30% of tv that is commercials, you would probably have to keep 5% of it

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wagnerrp:

from there, you can delete show duplicates

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wagnerrp:

and probably drop your recording by better than half

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mattwj2002:

no see

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silverdulcet:

I'm running 0.23.1+fixes26863 and around Dec. 15th my Schedules direct subscription ran out, not sure how many times mythfilldatabase ran w/o access to listings, but now my backend status says. There's guide data until 2106-11–29 11:49 (35029 days). Is there a way to fix this?

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mattwj2002:

I would want it all

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wagnerrp:

if youre doing that much recording, using some hardware transcoders and transcoding everything would actually make sense

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mattwj2002:

commericals and all

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mattwj2002:

but obviously I am not doing it

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wagnerrp:

so drop your size to a third from there

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wagnerrp:

no, im saying you only record one copy of that commercial

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wagnerrp:

and you store the sequence in a database

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wagnerrp:

anyway, by removing duplicates and transcoding, you would probably drop it down to $10/day in storage

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silverdulcet:

after renewing my subscription, the listings get updated, and things record fine, just wondering if this is still a problem or something I should worry about.

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wagnerrp:

or probably closer to $3/day if you drop to standard definition

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mattwj2002:

in 10 years it'll probably be doable

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wagnerrp:

today its doable

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wagnerrp:

perhaps not for the standard user

[02:35:38]

wagnerrp:

but it would certainly be within the realm of a corporation

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wagnerrp:

and indeed it is

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wagnerrp:

cable companies already are recording everything

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wagnerrp:

they only store it for a few hours, but the capability is there

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tgm4883:

mattwj2002, I doubt it will be doable in 10 years

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wagnerrp:

the problem isnt just doing it

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wagnerrp:

the problem is doing it safely

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wagnerrp:

storing that amount of data is pretty simple

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wagnerrp:

storing it such that it will last indefinitely, and be resilient against hardware failure, fire, and the like is very hard

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tgm4883:

see history, "OMG Floppy disks hold so much, we will never be able to fill them", "OMG CD's hold so much, we will never be able to fill them", "OMG DVD's hold so much, we will never be able to fill them", "OMG HDDVD's hold so much, we will never be able to fill them"

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, will yes, but I think he was alluding to the common man

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wagnerrp:

now youre talking a big SAN, and very large volume offsite redundant storage

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blud:

i'm new to mythtv and i've been monkeying around a lot with my remote getting it to work etc, and now my video playback is going fast, like 2x speed video with fast audio etc

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blud:

how can i make the video play at normal speed?

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mattwj2002:

good point tgm4883

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fubada:

hi. I'm a cablevision customer currently with a tivo+cablecard+some cisco decryptions device they gave me

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fubada:

How can I get rid of all these devices and plug the coax into my new atom box

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[R]:

you can't

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fubada:

fail

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wagnerrp:

fubada: scrap the atom box, get a real computer, wait for the HDHomeRun Prime to come out

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wagnerrp:

at which point you will be able to record anything that you would have been allowed to copy off your tivo

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[R]:

you can't record copy never with tivo?

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fubada:

thats some windows 7 only devive

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fubada:

device

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wagnerrp:

[R]: you can record it, you cant copy it off to other devices

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[R]:

oh

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wagnerrp:

and its copy once

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[R]:

i didnt read yoru full setnece

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fubada:

what if I keep my digital cablebox from cablevision, can I use that with my atom box + myth

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[R]:

you said copy off your tivo

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fubada:

soem usb2.0 tuner?

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wagnerrp:

i believe copy never cannot be recorded at all

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[R]:

fubada: hd or sd?

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wagnerrp:

you can use a HDPVR to record high definition component video

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fubada:

both

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tgm4883:

hdpvr

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wagnerrp:

or an older PVR150/500 or HVR-1600/2250 for standard definition

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fubada:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . mp;Tpk=hdpvr

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fubada:

?

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[R]:

but if you use an atom with an hdpvr

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[R]:

it'll probably blow up

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fubada:

ion2

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wagnerrp:

heh

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fubada:

d525

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fubada:

it'll be fine

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wagnerrp:

doesnt mater, an Atom is a piece of junk

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[R]:

it'll be fine if it blows up?

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wagnerrp:

just wait until you start commflagging at 1/5th real time

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[R]:

wagnerrp: paint dries faster than that... doesn't it?

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wagnerrp:

i think paint dries in real time

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fubada:

will this thing help with encoding? v

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fubada:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . mp;Tpk=hdpvr

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wagnerrp:

encoding?

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fubada:

or this

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fubada:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116029

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tgm4883:

fubada, yes, since it does the encoding for you. Unfortunatly that isn't what the issue is

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wagnerrp:

the HDPVR is high definition baseband (component video), the 1950 is for ATSC (digital broadcast) and NTSC (analog cable)

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blud:

i realise my question is a complete noob question, but yeah, how can I get my video playback to be a normal speed instead of 2x?

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wagnerrp:

blud: there are keyboard bindings to access the timestretch options, but i dont know them off hand

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wagnerrp:

you should be able to access it through the 'm' menu

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fubada:

thanks wagnerrp

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blud:

the manual says press 0 or spacebar but it doesnt seem to work

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blud:

ah i will try that then

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fubada:

wagnerrp, and there are no HDMI options at all right?

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fubada:

licensing issues

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wagnerrp:

any HDMI from a cable box will be encrypted

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wagnerrp:

nothing to do with licensing

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wagnerrp:

its just plain illegal

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fubada:

great

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fubada:

witht he hdpvr i can only tune to one channel?

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[R]:

the hdpvr doesnt tune anything

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tzanger:

I gotta cut my teeth on some more VHDL... then I need to implement my own IP block for an HDCP endpoint :-)

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fubada:

i mean i can only record one channel

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fubada:

right?

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tgm4883:

fubada, one channel at a time

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fubada:

yea

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tzanger:

then after that an HDMI rx block into an h264 hardware encoder

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fubada:

this sucks :)

[03:02:38]

wagnerrp:

tzanger: just dont start selling units

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mattwj2002:

what a second?

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[R]:

tzanger: hdmi is encrypted...

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wagnerrp:

!url nocablecard

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MythLogBot:

nocablecard: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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tzanger:

no I would never be able to do that

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mattwj2002:

*wait a second

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tzanger:

you're absolutely right

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mattwj2002:

what about the google tv?

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[R]:

mattwj2002: what about it?

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wagnerrp:

mattwj2002: the googletv does not record anything

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tzanger:

but releasing something like that on opencores...

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mattwj2002:

that streams from hdmi

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fubada:

do i have any use for myth if Im not using cable/antenna

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mattwj2002:

is that illegal

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mattwj2002:

?

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[R]:

fubada: what do you have? air'?

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tzanger:

fubada: sure, it is a great media player

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fubada:

more so than xbmc?

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[R]:

mythtv is a dvr app

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tzanger:

fubada: I haven't used xbmc

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wagnerrp:

mattwj2002: since they do not record in any manner, they were given an access key for HDCP handshaking and decryption

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[R]:

it will nto work w/o a tuner

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mattwj2002:

ok

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tzanger:

[R]: myth works just fine without a tuner, it still plays videos and has a picture gallery, sip phone client, etc, etc.

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fubada:

television in US just sucks

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mattwj2002:

so component is fine

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tzanger:

you can't record anything without a tuner, true

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mattwj2002:

hdmi is not?

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tzanger:

I"m watching a hulu movie on a frontend right now

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wagnerrp:

component is not encrypted

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tzanger:

the mvoie itself kind of sucks

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[R]:

tzanger: the backend dies w/o a tuner

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wagnerrp:

you are not violating any laws by recording component

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[R]:

wagnerrp: you're not violating any laws YET

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tzanger:

[R]: set up a network tuner or even any bt878 based capture card and just don't use it

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[R]:

:P

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[R]:

tzanger: there you go

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wagnerrp:

you are violating DMCA by unauthorized decryption of HDCP

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blud:

this is weird, my timestretch is set at 1x (and i played around with it too) but all my videos are running like 2x speed anyways

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[R]:

tzanger: don't contradict my true statemjents

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wagnerrp:

[R]: they cant make analog recording illegal, the best they could do is stop outputting analog video

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tzanger:

[R]: not contradicting, just clarifying :-)

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blud:

the videos used to run fine, but then i was playing with the remote trying to see what all the buttons did

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[R]:

wagnerrp: they can make lawas saying anything i thought

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blud:

and now they run fast

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blud:

there's got to be a way to just somehow reset stuff to default eh?

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tzanger:

blud: sounds like you have the time shift set up to > 1.0

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blud:

you mean time stretch?

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tzanger:

that's it

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blud:

yeah.. i mean i agree, it definitely sounds like that, but the OSD shows it's at 1.0

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blud:

and i can slide it up and down and it doesnt seem to really effect it

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blud:

and then i put it at 1.0 and its still 2x speed

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blud:

(2x is just a guess on what the speed is)

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wagnerrp:

anyone around running a recent build of master?

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[R]:

everytime i think i want to try it

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[R]:

you do stupid stuff

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wagnerrp:

me?

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[R]:

like merge the myth_system stuff and claim it breaks everyhting

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wagnerrp:

never

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

everything is fine, nothing to see here, move along

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[R]:

the last time i used trunk was like 22 or 21

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[R]:

or maye it was 20

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blud:

is there like a config file I can open or something to see what the time stretch playback speed is set to? Because it's acting like it's stuck on fast playback and that the time stretch shown in the OSD is not even true

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[R]:

if changing it doesnt change anything

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[R]:

than tahts not the setting that is wrong

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mattwj2002:

man mythtv

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mattwj2002:

how did I go so long without you!

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mattwj2002:

:D

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[R]:

mattwj2002: do you need a room?

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mattwj2002:

lol

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** mattwj2002 rents a hotel room **

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

I need a petabox for recording!

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mattwj2002:

:D

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[R]:

petabox?

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mattwj2002:

yeah a petabyte worth of storage

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blud:

yeah.. well, just tested it, the time stretch seems to change the speed of the audio playback only. meanwhile the video remains at a constant 2x-ish speed

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mattwj2002:

it is what the Internet Archive uses for storing their data

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blud:

and the audio seems to always be trying to get back to sync

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blud:

by speeding itself up if its on 1

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mattwj2002:

oh correction

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wagnerrp:

[R]: the petabox is where he traps his child sex slaves when not in use

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mattwj2002:

I guess it is only 480 TB

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mattwj2002:

:(

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[R]:

wagnerrp: HAHA

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mattwj2002:

http://blog.archive.org/2010/07/27/the-fourth . . . ion-petabox/

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mattwj2002:

haha

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[R]:

wtf is peta if not 1000

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wagnerrp:

1024

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[R]:

that too

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wagnerrp:

we use binary spacing in this channel mister

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[R]:

sorry :(

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wagnerrp:

no pebibibibytes allowed

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[R]:

i think you have too many bi's in there...

[03:36:02]

** [R] throws in a lesbian joke for good measure **

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wagnerrp:

its the naming scheme, it just makes you have to stutter

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mattwj2002:

that would be nice for mythtv recordings

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mattwj2002:

D

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mattwj2002:

:D

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[R]:

i "only" have 2.5tb

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wagnerrp:

could be denser

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mattwj2002:

true

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[R]:

"i eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast." "you eat pieces of shit?"

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wagnerrp:

they could have double that many hard drives in those cases

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[R]:

i love happy gilmore

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mattwj2002:

would only last for like 5 months

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mattwj2002:

:-s

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mattwj2002:

if you were to record like we were talking before

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mattwj2002:

oh wait

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mattwj2002:

10 months

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wagnerrp:

[R]: theyre buying 8 of those things

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wagnerrp:

so 4PB total

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[R]:

4pb?

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[R]:

they should be doing something more useful

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[R]:

like creating a transporter

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wagnerrp:

pebibibibytes

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[R]:

who needs an archive of geocities?

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wagnerrp:

why the internet archive does!

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

wagnerrp: do you have a smartphone?

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wagnerrp:

no

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blud:

anybody got any idea what setting could be wrong if its not time stretch?

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[R]:

i'm gonna get an android

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[R]:

and i want to write an app for it

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[R]:

but i dunno what

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wagnerrp:

have fun learning java

[03:41:06]

[R]:

maybe i could write an app that tells me the status of my backend

[03:41:07]

[R]:

haha

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[R]:

i already know java

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wagnerrp:

or wait... mythdroid

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[R]:

mythdroid is too bloated

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mattwj2002:

they are doing a lot with that amount of storage

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mattwj2002:

archiving books

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mattwj2002:

music

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mattwj2002:

movies, tv shows (not publicly)

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wagnerrp:

books and music are relatively easy

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wagnerrp:

even movies arent all that hard

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[R]:

that's what she said

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wagnerrp:

tv shows are a problem because you have so much live content being generated

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mattwj2002:

yeah let me show you guys something cool

[03:47:35]

mattwj2002:

http://www.archive.org/details/KOFY_20110103_ . . . rding_to_Jim

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mattwj2002:

obviously you can't download it

[03:48:23]

mattwj2002:

but they are archiving it for future generations

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mattwj2002:

)

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mattwj2002:

:)

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wagnerrp:

is that every episode from every station ever?

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mattwj2002:

no

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mattwj2002:

just in that local area

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mattwj2002:

but they have all the major networks covered I think

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mattwj2002:

also check this out

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wagnerrp:

oh, was wondering if this could be used to look up orphaned recordings without database help

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wagnerrp:

parsing the station from chanid

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mattwj2002:

during the September 11 attacks this project catch the news reports on multiple stations

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mattwj2002:

the stations released this content

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mattwj2002:

http://www.archive.org/details/sept_11_tv_archive

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mattwj2002:

you have minute by minute on different stations for almost 3 days straight!

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cesman:

anyone know why my 0.23 backend would start to report Error: MythTV database has newer TV schema (1264) than expected (1254)?

[04:20:00]

wagnerrp:

you upgraded to 0.24

[04:20:08]

cesman:

system was working perfectly fine, I was watching live tv, exited ans was about to start watch tv in the bedroom (was in the living room).

[04:20:12]

cesman:

wagnerrp: nope

[04:20:20]

wagnerrp:

had to be

[04:20:29]

cesman:

0.24 hadn't touched my production system

[04:20:32]

wagnerrp:

somewhere, you ran a 0.24 copy of mythbackend or mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

perhaps one of them auto-detected your 0.23 system

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cesman:

on a seperate test box

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wagnerrp:

for better or worse, there is no version protection on that upnp detection

[04:21:15]

clever:

isnt that what the upnp pin number was for?

[04:21:25]

wagnerrp:

yes

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cesman:

why would I need a pin number in my own home/systems?

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[R]:

i always firewall my test boxes from my backend

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wagnerrp:

cesman: its not for security

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wagnerrp:

its just to allow you to keep multiple independent backends separate, and still use autodetection

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wagnerrp:

0000 means allow all

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wagnerrp:

'' means allow none

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wagnerrp:

anything else and they have to match

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wagnerrp:

either that, or force '--no-upnp'

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** cesman was planning on an early night **

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clever:

cesman: check for database backups maybe

[04:24:30]

Razal:

anyone here familiar with Nigel's OS X packager script?

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wagnerrp:

whatever upgraded your system should have made a database backup you can recover from

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cesman:

no backup

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clever:

if you know what querys it did and understant sql, you can probly downgrade it

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clever:

cesman: cant remember/find what file the upgrade code was in

[04:33:32]

wagnerrp:

dbcheck.cpp

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cesman:

I looked thru my backend log and don't see where my test system pimp my MBE

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cesman:

this is especially odd as I've done tons of test installs w/o it affecting my MBE

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clever:

cesman: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . /dbcheck.cpp

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clever:

make another backup before trying to mess with it

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clever:

cesman: youll start near line 5504 and then see if each one needs to be undone

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blud:

if i want to change my video player from Internal to vlc or mplayer do i just type vlc in instead of Internal?

[04:37:27]

clever:

cesman: work backwards (up) until you undo everything up to 5178, and fudge the schema version# in the settings table

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wagnerrp:

recordings playback cannot use an external player

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blud:

the wiki just says "This screen is largely self-explanatory"

[04:37:45]

blud:

well how about video files playback?

[04:37:54]

ZeroSix:

might anyone be able to explain to me how jamu works?

[04:38:02]

wagnerrp:

video playback, you dont want to use an external player

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ZeroSix:

i'm running mythbuntu so the configuration file for jamu is automatically generated, i believe

[04:38:21]

blud:

well, the problem is with the internal player its playing my videos wrong somehow

[04:38:37]

ZeroSix:

blud, what is it doing exactly?

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wagnerrp:

blud: still the time stretch?

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cesman:

are the record tables affected by the schema up?

[04:39:01]

blud:

its doing this: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/video-playback-doub . . . 9/#post55618

[04:39:24]

blud:

yeah the 'time stretch' thing although it doesnt appear to actually be related to time stretch

[04:39:49]

blud:

i followed the instructions here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo#Internal_Player

[04:39:50]

clever:

cesman: i didnt look at each update, but version 1254->1255 drops a column, so your old version will probly crap itself when it tries to read that column

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blud:

to fix it

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blud:

and for one video it actually did fix it

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blud:

for the other video now the video plays at like 4x speed! lol

[04:40:11]

wagnerrp:

blud: try opening the file manually with 'mythavtest -O LocalHostName=somethingelse <file>'

[04:40:19]

wagnerrp:

force it to use fresh settings

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blud:

ok 1 sec

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ZeroSix:

anyone know where jamu.py is located?

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wagnerrp:

probably somewhere in /usr/share/mythtv

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Razal:

it's in mythplugins/mythvideo/mythvideo/scripts/jamu.py on my system

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ZeroSix:

Razal, full path please

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blud:

wagnerrp, am i supposed to subsitute in my computer name and .. something else for somethingelse?

[04:43:26]

blud:

or just literally use the command you said

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Razal:

well, that is the source tarball – path can be anywhere =)

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wagnerrp:

no, settings are stored by the username in the database

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wagnerrp:

you want fresh settings, so you want something other than your computer name

[04:44:07]

wagnerrp:

s/username/computer name/

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ZeroSix:

Razal, do you happen to know where mythbuntu has it placed?

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Razal:

I had copied it to /home/mythtv/.mythtv/scripts

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blud:

ok

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wagnerrp:

i /think/ that will work

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wagnerrp:

if no, youll have to change the LocalHostName setting in your ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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Razal:

I haven't had a mythbuntu install in a while. Can you run `locate jamu` ?

[04:45:10]

ZeroSix:

yeah i am right now.. hoped u knew .. faster lol

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blud:

wagnerrp, when i do that command the video plays back perfectly fine

[04:48:19]

wagnerrp:

so the problem is in bad settings somewhere

[04:48:37]

blud:

yup

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blud:

i checked every setting page in the front end and back and and while running the video and couldnt find anything wrong

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wagnerrp:

what playback profile are you using?

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blud:

i dont know.. not sure what that is, where can i find that out?

[04:50:19]

iamlindoro:

video speed is keyed off of audio. Double speed video means broken audio config

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ZeroSix:

what exactly does the NFS override do with respects to JAMU?

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blud:

well i never changed my playback profile so i gotta assume it's using "Normal"

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blud:

ok i found it..

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blud:

it's on "CPU+"

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ZeroSix:

anyone here get audio to play thru HDMI?

[05:01:51]

blud:

wagnerrp, CPU+

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[R]:

ZeroSix: tons of people

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ZeroSix:

[R], I have an ATI 4250 and I'm having difficulties

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[R]:

that sucks?

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ZeroSix:

I thought it worked fine on live CD but now that its installed it seems to not work :-\

[05:03:01]

ZeroSix:

same drivers both times...

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wagnerrp:

blud: you should try Slim first

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blud:

ok

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wagnerrp:

but if you didnt change that, you likely have other audio issues like iamlindoro suggested

[05:07:10]

ZeroSix:

alright so has anyone got audio to pass thru HDMI via ATI graphix?

[05:08:20]

blud:

wagnerrp: Slim looks better, like it seems normal, it's not 4x speed. But the audio is out of sync

[05:08:26]

bobgill:

Trying to stream using mythweb and it worked great just a moment ago for a simpsons episode, now I tried the an NFL game and it stuttered/was choppy for 2–3 seconds and then just freezes (using vlc, and it plays fine in mythfrontend)

[05:08:27]

blud:

by about a second

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wagnerrp:

blud: you arent using pulseaudio by chance, are you?

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blud:

well i'm using a normal mythbuntu install so, does that have pulseaudio?

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wagnerrp:

ZeroSix: if the ATI card exposes itself as an audio output device, you can use HDMI audio

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wagnerrp:

blud: yes it does

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blud:

ok then i guess i am

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wagnerrp:

what version of mythtv are you using?

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ZeroSix:

wagnerrp, when i try to set the card to HDA ATI HDMI the only thing i have is a switch "IEC958"

[05:11:13]

ZeroSix:

then if i go to the HDA ATI SB (Alsa mixer) i have the full array of settings however no output over HDMI

[05:12:14]

blud:

release 0 23 fixes

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blud:

i guess is the version number

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ZeroSix:

any idea as to why if i manually call out the device i can output over HDMI.. HDA ATI HDMI: ATI HDMI (hw:1,3)

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ZeroSix:

but when i use alsa's HDA ATI HDMI it doesnt work?

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[R]:

its aboot time

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[R]:

someone "blew" the bosses cover on undercover boss

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ZeroSix:

bah figured it out!

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ZeroSix:

alsa appears to only support optical digital out.. not HDMI

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ZeroSix:

despite realizing it has HDMI? lol

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ZeroSix:

at any rate, pulse handles it fine

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wagnerrp:

alsa supports HDMI digital out

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ZeroSix:

well why does it appear not to ?

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wagnerrp:

at any rate, pulse cannot handle passthrough audio

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ZeroSix:

?

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wagnerrp:

pulseaudio will only do uncompressed audio

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wagnerrp:

it cannot output compressed AC3/DTS

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ZeroSix:

so can i use the alsa driver to play audio then?

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wagnerrp:

and at least spdif (optical) is limited to 2-channel uncompresed

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ZeroSix:

i'm trying to play thru HDMI

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ZeroSix:

i have it working when i call out hw1,3 and use mythtv's software volume controller

[06:18:37]

ZeroSix:

i mean it works.. just would rather the volume be run thru the OS

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wagnerrp:

if you are using digital audio, ideally only your tv/receiver would be able to control volume

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wagnerrp:

because the bitstream will be passed over the hdmi cable, to your output device, untouched

[06:19:56]

wagnerrp:

if you are using pulseaudio, you cannot bitstream

[06:20:06]

wagnerrp:

it does not support it, and the developers refuse to support it

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ZeroSix:

yeah but i'm trying to make this unit work from 1 mce remote

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wagnerrp:

if you are using uncompressed digital audio, you must use some form of softvolume

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ZeroSix:

well lets go back to general setup here

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ZeroSix:

i'm trying to set the default audio device to be HDMI

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ZeroSix:

when i set it to be HDA ATI HDMI (Alsa mixer)

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ZeroSix:

i only get switch options and only IEC958 at that

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wagnerrp:

if you are using pulseaudio, you are not using alsa

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ZeroSix:

i can use either

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wagnerrp:

if pulseaudio is active, you cannot access alsa

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ZeroSix:

id like to stick w/ alsa but it does not appear to support my card entirely

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wagnerrp:

anything that appears to be alsa, is really pulse's emulated alsa interface

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wagnerrp:

which is incomplete at best

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ZeroSix:

forget pulse for the time being.. i would like to run alsa if poss

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ZeroSix:

ohh

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wagnerrp:

pulseaudio does not support /any/ cards

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wagnerrp:

it has no audio support

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wagnerrp:

s/audio/hardware/

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wagnerrp:

it must route all its audio back through alsa to the hardware

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ZeroSix:

hmm

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ZeroSix:

well i think i'm going to tackle this one another night

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ZeroSix:

im exhausted

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wagnerrp:

sphery: seems intel is touting some new video encoding engine in their sandy bridge

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wagnerrp:

theyre claiming some encode to h264 at 16x RT

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wagnerrp:

but then thats probably low bitrate to a mobile device

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semsem:

Anybody has time to help me please?

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[R]:

semsem: no know can know if they have time unless they khow what the problem is

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semsem:

sorry but my problem is that I am trying to follow this guide http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythfilldatabase#External_XMLTV

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semsem:

on getting external xmltv to work

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[R]:

oh, dunno about xmltv

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fubada:

Hi I have a qq about changing channels on the SA4250HD cablebox using firewire. Can I plug the firewire into a HD-PVR unit? My mythtv box does not have firewire input

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semsem:

in section Find out the source id of your card

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fubada:

I'm shopping for hw trying to figure it all out

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[R]:

fubada: do you have a magic hdpvr?

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[R]:

fubada: mine doesn't have a firewire port...

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fubada:

oh im looking at the back of it on newegg

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fubada:

thought i saw a big old fw port

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[R]:

uh...

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semsem:

when I type mysql -u root mythconverg, I get root@myth:~# mysql -u mythtv mythconverg ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

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[R]:

you mean the uswb port?

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fubada:

yea, thanks for correcting me

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fubada:

so I dont have firewire at all. and not pci/pci-e slot

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fubada:

what can I do

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[R]:

semsem: sounds like your not using the correct password (and seeing as you aren't using a password...)

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[R]:

fubada: nothing?

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semsem:

How I can check please?

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[R]:

semsem: check what?

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fubada:

is there a usb3->fw

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fubada:

something like that

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semsem:

for the passwrd

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[R]:

semsem: it shoudl be in ~/.mythtv/config.xml

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semsem:

ok thanks I will take a look

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semsem:

[R], it worked now thanks

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[R]:

hrm

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[R]:

how do i know if this iso is encrypted?

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[R]:

by looking at the log

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[R]:

hhe

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damagednoob:

i have an audio cd that i can play in vlc on a mythtv installation. when i try and scan/import the cd inside the mythtv frontend, it doesn't find the cd. any ideas?

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blizzard_:

Question: Is there some way of getting an automatic delete of the original recording when exported with nuvexport?

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wagnerrp:

no, nuvexport is designed for export, not in-place transcoding

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ExElNeT:

heya. i have two satellites with together about 1000 channels. 90% of them are crap. So I wonder if it would be possible to force mythtv to get the eit of each channel and then make all channels invis which dont have a guide.

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tzanger:

ExElNeT: can't you just look for that program table with something like dvbtune or dvbscan (I can't remember the name of the program) and build a filter that way?

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Crys:

ExElNeT: If you ever find a good solution, please contact me. I've the same issue here. I wish there was an easy way to remove all the shopping, erotic and software download crap easily.

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wagnerrp:

'software download' channels?

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tzanger:

I wish there were more FTA stuff in north america, I wouldn't mind a few network broadcast feeds coming down via satellite

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Crys:

wagnerrp: Astra 1 has lots of channels that serve software updates for receivers, settop boxes and other

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wagnerrp:

we get the occasional ad for windows, language teaching programs, or antivirus/system cleanup, but nothing dedicated to software

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ExElNeT:

Well my approach will be: Wait a few days, make all channels invis without a guide. (by an easy sql query) This will remove 80%... But i can't be sure all channels have been probed for the eit... ;/

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wagnerrp:

really... why would they need mre than one?

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Crys:

Because there is more than one company that produces hardware and firmware.

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wagnerrp:

they cant just cycle them on one channel?

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Crys:

Apparently not. And it still takes a lot of time to update a receiver TTA.

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ExElNeT:

why do we need 300 shopping channels and 600 sex channels ...

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ExElNeT:

satellite slots must be really cheap...

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tzanger:

in theory it shouldn't take long at all to download software for a receiver... there's a lot of bits per second in an MPEG4 transponder stream

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wagnerrp:

i mean youre talking what... 20–30mbps for a DVB-S channel?

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wagnerrp:

a single firmware update shouldnt take more than a few seconds for an individual device

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Crys:

I've never tried to update my firmware TTA because the manual was talking about half an hour or more. I can only assume that the channel is small and servers a lot of firmware versions.

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tzanger:

that's what I think they end up doing as well.. they only allocate a tiny fragment of the bandwidth available for software so it trickles down, and on top of that they probably have more FEC than is already provided by the encoders

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highzeth:

several manufacturers, providers, countries & satellites. All with their own flavours of lingo/channel-'defaults' set-top option availability

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Crys:

There must be a reason why my receiver supports receiver to receiver updates through a serial connection.

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highzeth:

When tv distribution providers in 1 country can't agree, the odds of EU as a whole to agree on a single satellite(that covers entire EU) for firmware distribution is not good =)

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tzanger:

I just wish there were binary newsgroup feeds over satellite still

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Crys:

The EU is too large for a single satellite.

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highzeth:

just barely, 19.2E got a pretty wide coverage, but yes

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Crys:

Astra 1 has mostly German, French, Polish, Austria etc. channels. I had to buy a slightly larger dish and a second LNB to receive BBC through Astra 2.

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highzeth:

right, and that doesn't count in scandinavia which uses 1W & 5E as their main satellites. Spain/Portugal also uses 13E & 15E if memory serves me right. Either way, not a chance to get a single satellite to distribute firmware updates in a reasonable/cost-effective(from end-users pov) fashion

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tzanger:

it would seem that all you need to do is wait. I constantly hear people talk about how the world is getting smaller. :-)

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wagnerrp:

it is getting smaller

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Crys:

These days most receivers have an USB port. It's making firmware updates lot easier

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Crys:

I'm having trouble with the connection between input and video source. I've configured a XMLTV grabber (tv_grab_de_tvmovie_clickfinder) and a DVB-S2 card. "Scan for channels" works as expected but "Fetch channels from listening source" creates a new channel entry for each known channel although the callsign and name are equal.

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Crys:

So I end up with one entry for "ZDF" with the correct transponder settings and another one w/o transponder settings but an xmltvid.

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ExElNeT:

Hmm can someone tell me whats wrong with my query? http://pastebin.com/EbtbquL6

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ExElNeT:

i dont see it...

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highzeth:

Crys: that feature is afaik only for the US marked, you have to scan regularly, then use channel editor (or web) to add the xmltvid's

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Crys:

highzeth: That's a lot of work for a simple thing. The satellite and channel configuration is much harder than I expected.

[15:07:01]

wagnerrp:

more specifically, it is only for analog channels

[15:07:22]

wagnerrp:

our xmltv providers and schedules direct do not provide sufficient tuning data to pull full channels

[15:07:25]

highzeth:

it's a 'onetime' job, done via web it wont take you that long

[15:07:29]

wagnerrp:

full digital channels

[15:08:54]

Crys:

I thought that I can ge tthe tuning setings with "Scan for channels" and than match the xmltvids based on the callsign or name.

[15:13:26]

wagnerrp:

at least with schedules direct, mythfilldatabase will attempt an automatic match using the callsign and name

[15:13:33]

wagnerrp:

i dont know if it does the same for xmltv

[15:13:43]

ExElNeT:

here is the fixed query to set all channels without guide invis: http://pastebin.com/4RDeiqCW

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Crys:

It's either a bug in the xmltv provider or mythfilldatabase doesn't match xmltvids using the callsign or name.

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justinh:

the problem is this: xmltv channel names & digital channels' broadcast names don't match up

[15:20:13]

justinh:

there's a big almighty plan to wizard-ise it all but it's a *huge* job

[15:20:38]

justinh:

a further problem is that some countries have regional versions of some channels

[15:21:06]

Crys:

In my case (Astra 1, German XMLTV provider) most or all channel names match up with the display name of my XMLTV provider)

[15:21:24]

justinh:

and yet another problem is that broadcast channel lineups have a nasty habit of changing quite often (see UK)

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ExElNeT:

yeah those regional channels are really annoying... since the guide differs they cause additional uneeded conflicts

[15:22:09]

justinh:

Crys: see – even just *some* channels not having xmltvids is gonna be a PITA

[15:22:37]

Crys:

I'm well aware that an automated solution won't be perfect but it would get me about 95% of the xmltv aware channels.

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justinh:

here in the UK even now quite a few xmltvids refer to channels that changed their names years ago

[15:25:07]

wagnerrp:

the only real viable option would be to set up a service to collect such data from the users

[15:25:16]

wagnerrp:

but then you risk users doing screwy things

[15:25:25]

wagnerrp:

or outright trying to taint the system

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wagnerrp:

plus you get cable users with multiple lineups

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justinh:

nah we just need a few people in the right places

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wagnerrp:

with satellite, sure

[15:26:02]

justinh:

sat/terrestrial

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justinh:

UK cable is sorted too

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wagnerrp:

for local broadcast and cable systems, its much less viable

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justinh:

wagnerrp: you've not seen the UK xmltv config thing I guess

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wagnerrp:

no

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justinh:

wagnerrp: we enter our provider type, and postcode. then it goes off & churns out a lineup

[15:27:24]

wagnerrp:

thats about how schedules direct works

[15:27:41]

wagnerrp:

but that is only a likely lineup

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justinh:

how do you go about with SD if you use OTA?

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wagnerrp:

people with larger or smaller or directional antenna will be different

[15:28:06]

wagnerrp:

with OTA over here, we scan

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justinh:

well yeah but they can go suck eggs :P

[15:28:23]

wagnerrp:

the scan /should/ pick up the station names and channel numbers

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justinh:

scan – sure – but how does SD importing line things up – is it automatic?

[15:28:42]

wagnerrp:

and that information /should/ match up with the data from SD, such that everything gets set up automatically

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justinh:

ah cool

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wagnerrp:

but ive always had to go back and insert/correct xmltvids

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justinh:

well AFAIK with xmltv it doesn't work that way yet – we've still got to mangle the channel table

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wagnerrp:

with digital cable, it does nothing

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justinh:

figures

[15:29:53]

wagnerrp:

since the cable provider gives no in-band information about the channels

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** justinh shakes his fist at the cable companies **

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justinh:

so sounds like you guys could use a bit of wizardry too

[15:35:25]

justinh:

oh well, back to my physical labour. whose bright idea was it to decorate again?

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Crys:

ExElNeT: I have a tip for you. You can hide channels by mplexid, too. Usually a multiplexer either contains good channels or just junk channels.

[16:53:37]

ExElNeT:

Crys: ah ok cool.

[16:54:41]

ExElNeT:

i just found another problem. the eit is fine for most channels but for sat1/prosieben/kabel1 the subtitle is missing. is there an option to log the raw eit information?

[16:56:43]

Crys:

ExElNeT: IIRC some channels no longer broadcast full EIT data.

[16:57:12]

Crys:

they want you to pay for "premium" features like EPG and HD.

[16:57:21]

Razal:

heh, some channels never broadcasted full EIT data here

[16:58:27]

Crys:

ExElNeT: You might be interested in tv_grab_de_tvmovie_clickfinder v1.2

[16:59:13]

Crys:

ExElNeT: http://swolter.sdf1.org/software/article-tvmovie-1-2.html . Apply patch #2 manually

[17:00:52]

ExElNeT:

Crys: yeah i have been using it.. i thought i might be fine without it...

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Crys:

update channel set visible = 0 where name in ('', '.');

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Crys:

update channel set visible = 0 where mplexid in (48, 49, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 59, 61, 63, 64, 66, 71, 75, 77, 78, 80, 84, 91, 92, 93);

[17:06:52]

Crys:

update channel set visible = 1 where name in ('DMAX', 'TELE 5');

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Crys:

ExElNeT: These statements get rid of most unwanted channels for Astra 1

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mgering:

I need some help – lirc stopped working after a kernel upgrade (2.6.32–21 to -27)

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high-rez:

did you rebuild the lirc kernel module?

[17:35:02]

high-rez:

after upgrading?

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mgering:

I did not. But the lirc_dev and lirc_i2c modules were updated with an lirc package update

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mgering:

I also installed v4l-dvb and it includes IR stuff

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thopiekar:

hey.. I've got the following problem and I'm sure you can help. when typing a button on my irremote I always get two button presses at mythfrontend.. lirc seems to work right and I set in xorg.conf to ignore this device as "keyboard"..

[17:39:19]

thopiekar:

xbmc for example is working well..

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wagnerrp_:

thopiekar: if you are getting repeat keypresses, you need to fix your lircrc file

[17:44:56]

wagnerrp_:

there is an option to filter such repeat keypresses

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thopiekar:

ok I'll check.. could I send you my lircrc file and you could take a look? the lircrc file I have was generated via mythbuntu's control center..

[17:46:20]

wagnerrp_:

id rather not

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wagnerrp_:

look at your xbmc directives, look at your mythtv directives

[17:46:58]

wagnerrp_:

there should be a 'repeat' entry set, or set higher in the xbmc one than the mythtv one

[17:48:01]

thopiekar:

what happens when setting "repeat 1" .. will it then wait for two presses and release on in the application?

[17:48:26]

wagnerrp_:

with 'repeat 1', each keypress will be sent to the application

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wagnerrp_:

with 'repeat 2', two keypresses in rapid succession will only resolve as 1

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thopiekar:

what if "repeat = 0"?

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thopiekar:

1 press = 2 actions

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wagnerrp_:

that.. probably means the same as 1

[17:50:13]

thopiekar:

?

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thopiekar:

hmm k

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thopiekar:

has mythfrontend maybe its own lirc mapping?

[17:51:05]

wagnerrp_:

mythfrontend reads from ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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wagnerrp_:

adobe acrobat... why are you such a complete piece of garbage

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thopiekar:

I'm just thinking about that I maybe have to configs, I mean another config somewhere...

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wagnerrp_:

most applications read from ~/.lircrc

[17:52:19]

wagnerrp_:

mythbuntu likes to play games with the environment, and place your '~' directory elsewhere

[17:52:32]

wagnerrp_:

so you may need to look for it in /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc or something similar

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thopiekar:

wagnerrp_: got it..

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thopiekar:

mythbuntu has just created a own bundle of lirc configs: ~/.lircrc and .lirc/"mythtv" + other applications...

[17:54:10]

thopiekar:

:(

[17:54:10]

thopiekar:

they just forget to remove the .mythtv/lircrc

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wagnerrp_:

no

[17:54:23]

wagnerrp_:

mythtv reads from ~/.mythtv/lircrc

[17:54:57]

wagnerrp_:

mythbuntu can change your home directory, link files all over the place, include extra rc files

[17:55:05]

wagnerrp_:

but that is the only place mythfrontend reads from

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thopiekar:

sure but the mythbuntu control center creates it own files..

[17:55:43]

thopiekar:

ahh ok so I should disable .lirc/mythtv then, right?

[17:55:51]

thopiekar:

I mean to be sure..

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wagnerrp_:

disable?

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wagnerrp_:

not sure how you disable a file

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thopiekar:

:D

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thopiekar:

by commenting in .lircrc out to not include this config

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wagnerrp_:

whatever youre fiddling with, somewhere somehow it has to lead back to ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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thopiekar:

my .lircrc http://pastebin.com/wxUmH3vS

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thopiekar:

and .lirc/mythtv http://pastebin.com/diYLDShq , which seems to be == .mythtv/lircrc

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wilberarch_:

i have to manually modprobe lirc_i2c and lirc_dev after every reboot in order for my remote to work... is there a way to get those loaded automatically?

[18:01:54]

wilberarch_:

this is on an arch install...if that makes a diff?

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tgm4883:

hardware.conf?

[18:02:34]

thopiekar:

I commented now out from .lircrc to include mythbuntus .lirc/mythtv but got the same after restarting the lirc service.. still got two events after one button push..

[18:02:57]

tgm4883:

thopiekar, out of curiosity, do you have two IR receivers?

[18:04:00]

wilberarch_:

tgm4883, you happen to remember where that's located?

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tgm4883:

wilberarch_, IIRC, /etc/lirc/

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thopiekar:

no just one.. and lirc reads the event signals from /dev/input/by-path/pci:xxx-xxx-x--xx-x-x-x-ir

[18:04:47]

thopiekar:

irw receives the signals well

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thopiekar:

just one event for one press from one hardware

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wilberarch_:

tgm4883, don't have a hardware.conf in /etc/lirc... you saying i should make one?

[18:05:40]

tgm4883:

no, i probably have the directory wrong

[18:05:49]

tgm4883:

I don't have access to my machine right now

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tgm4883:

might be different in arch as well

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thopiekar:

wilberarch_: when using debian distro you can do it via sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc-common

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wilberarch_:

thopiekar, arch linux, tho...

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thopiekar:

here: ubuntu

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thopiekar:

hmm sorry I didn't read

[18:07:04]

thopiekar:

he could look at lirc(.org) website

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wilberarch_:

tgm4883, lemme do a search

[18:07:22]

thopiekar:

they have there a big list of tested hardware + configs

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thopiekar:

I was lucky that I only had to choose a "event device" from /dev/input/event[1-x]

[18:09:07]

thopiekar:

is there also another lircrc config on which mythfrontend takes care?

[18:09:24]

thopiekar:

maybe somewhere at /etc/* or /usr/share/*

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thopiekar:

?

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wagnerrp_:

'takes care'?

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thopiekar:

I renamed .mythtv/lircrc and mythfrontend reads now no signals anymore..

[18:21:36]

thopiekar:

so should I try replace all "repeat = 0" with "repeat = 2"?

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tmkt:

Afternoon, for the last month or so my myth box can't go a day without a full system lockup

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tmkt:

any ideas? using 0.24

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thopiekar:

define "full system lookup"

[18:26:29]

tmkt:

keyboard status lights blinking

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tmkt:

only way to get back to normal is powerdown

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high-rez:

hardware failure ?

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tmkt:

yeah

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tmkt:

i guess

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tmkt:

thats what i'm hearing

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tmkt:

just can't figure out what piece of hardware

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high-rez:

Can you even ssh in ?

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ExElNeT:

Crys: thanks

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tmkt:

nope

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tmkt:

nothing

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tmkt:

blank screen

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tmkt:

fun times..just locked up again

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iamlindoro:

tmkt, Look at memory first, and failing that, PSU

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tmkt:

yeah

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tmkt:

memtest tonight

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thopiekar:

I have now even replaced "repeat = 0" with "repeat = 2" in every entry and no changes..

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thopiekar:

:(

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thopiekar:

mythfrontend still getting two signals instead of one from one button press..

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justinh:

but did you restart mythfrontend after changing the lirc file?

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justinh:

it only ever reads the file when it starts up

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justinh:

if you did that & you're still seeing multiple actions for one remote button press maybe you could look into the 'delay' attribute for the lirc file too

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thopiekar:

justinh: I restarted mythfrontend and to be sure even restarted the lirc service

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justinh:

should be no need to restart lirc

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justinh:

not for changes to a lircrc or .lircrc file

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justinh:

thopiekar: http://lirc.org/html/configure.html#lircrc_format

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Saviq:

hi all, any experiences with underruns with EMU10K1 over SPDIF? works fine here over analog and over SPDIF on an Intel HD (almost identical hardware, the same exact software)

[19:22:51]

thopiekar:

hmm

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justinh:

'delay = x' would tell lirc to ignore x-1 button presses AFAIK

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thopiekar:

what effect will it have changing the delay option?

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justinh:

read the stuff in the link I just put up

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Saviq:

not x-1 but x after the first

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wagnerrp_:

isnt that what 'repeat' does?

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justinh:

I prefer 'delay'. that way I can have a fast repeat rate & move through lists quickly

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wagnerrp_:

but its ignoring inputs

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wagnerrp_:

aaaghhh

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Saviq:

delay only ignores impulses 2,3...xxx

[19:27:22]

wagnerrp_:

someone keeps using the scanner

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Saviq:

and repeat ignores x impulses _between_ repeats

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thopiekar:

ok i set delay = 2

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wagnerrp_:

so out of the corner of the room... brrrrraaaaaapp, brrrraaaaaapp

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thopiekar:

and no changes..

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wagnerrp_:

exceedingly annoying

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Saviq:

so if you have impulses "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10" and delay = 3 repeat = 1, you'll get "1 4 7 9" on the output

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Saviq:

er "1 5 7 9" rather

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justinh:

and that's the end of that chapter.... ?

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justinh:

see another load of client detection patches for the upnp server. It's about time that system got deprecated. Properly

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wagnerrp:

nothing like a universal system that has to be adapted for every device

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sdkmyth:

Hi everyone. I have a PVr-150 and would like to transcode the recordings to mp4. I set up a transcode profile in mythfrontend, but the picture quality is not great. What bitrate would you recommend for transcoding SD?

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wagnerrp:

anything that can use x264

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sdkmyth:

I'm not sure I understand, wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

if you must transcode, you should use something that uses the h264 format

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wagnerrp:

in which case i would recommend about 2mbps for standard definition content

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wagnerrp:

but i would really recommend an x264 quantizer of 20–22, rather than any specific bitrate

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sdkmyth:

I'm using mythtranscode profiles, the only option I see for codec is MPEG-4.

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wagnerrp:

mpeg4 is to mpeg4asp in a nuppelvideo container

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wagnerrp:

most people will not want that

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wagnerrp:

why are you trying to transcode?

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sdkmyth:

I want to try the Roku, which support mp4 (whatever that means). That way I could play mythtv recordings and have netflix in my bedroom

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wagnerrp:

the problem is 'mp4' is a hugely generic term

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wagnerrp:

the MPEG4 spec encompasses two video codecs, one audio codec, several text codecs, a container format, some other crap

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sdkmyth:

yeah, thats's why I said "whatever that means." I had planned to borrow a friend's roku and setup the rocksbox channel

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wagnerrp:

and from there, there is a wide range in variety of content within those audio and video codecs

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sdkmyth:

from the roksbox faq:

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sdkmyth:

Video: mp4, mov, m4v, wmvrnAudio: mp3. wmarnPhoto: jpg, png, gif

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wagnerrp:

and theres something else, m4v is nothing

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wagnerrp:

there is no such thing as m4v

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wagnerrp:

if anything, its just an incorrectly named mp4, which they already have listed

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sdkmyth:

ah. looking further, they recommend x264

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sdkmyth:

Video Codec – H.264 (x264) Framerate (FPS) – 29.97 AVG Bitrate (kbps) – 2500

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sdkmyth:

so outside mythtranscode, what would you recommend I use to encode to x264?

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iamlindoro:

x264 isn't a codec either

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wagnerrp:

someone has probably set up a handbrake profile for the roku boxes

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wagnerrp:

or you could try using some of the nuvexport supported formats

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wagnerrp:

the roku is supposed to support 1080p, but theyre recommending a bitrate of 2000–3000kbps?

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wagnerrp:

that doesnt seem right

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wagnerrp:

they really dont have any 'supported format' list anywhere on the site do they...

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wagnerrp:

at least i cant find one

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sdkmyth:

I couldnt find anything on roku's site either. But I gotthe info I posted here:

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sdkmyth:

http://roksbox.com/home/index.php?option=com_ . . . mp;Itemid=82

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wagnerrp:

i was looking here... http://roksbox.com/home/index.php?option=com_ . . . mp;Itemid=68

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wagnerrp:

apparently it doesnt support interlaced content

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wagnerrp:

so make sure to deinterlace it

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sdkmyth:

thanks for your help.

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wagnerrp:

you may be interested in ... http://forums.roku.com/viewtopic.php?f=28& . . . aa1d54f54e0a

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skd5aner:

yay... my 2 month old motherboard just kicked the bucket overnight :P

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skd5aner:

that makes 4 things that died in the 3 months around the house (PSU, CPU Fan, Mobo, and a HD)

[21:05:20]

skd5aner:

I'm glad for RMAs, but getting a little sick of having to deal with them in the first place

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skd5aner:

(btw, all of those components were in different machines – so the fault of one wan't resposible for the fault of another)

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Wicked:

hello all. anyone here use a harmony remote? my other remote died on me so i picked up a harmony 300 remote. I read in numerous places that this remote will work with my old mce usb ir reciever. So i added a few devices to the remote via the myharmony website...but i cannot get the remote to work

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skd5aner:

Wicked: lots of people

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skd5aner:

Wicked: you just have to configure the device to immitate an MCE remote, and make sure lirc is setup to use the MCEUSB profile

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Wicked:

yea

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Wicked:

done and done...

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Wicked:

hmm. maybe i did something weird when my other remote broke

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skd5aner:

does the IR receiver work with the MCE remote as-is?

[21:07:46]

Wicked:

the usb receiver has a little light that lights up when it senses a keypress

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Wicked:

and im not seeing it lite up

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Wicked:

my mce remote broke...i dropped it one to many times

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skd5aner:

anything show up in irw or mode2?

[21:08:50]

Wicked:

but i tried to set up the receiver with my old hauppauge remote...which made the light light up...but the hauppauge remote i have is rc5 and the mce reciever is rc6...so they wouldnt work

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Wicked:

skd5aner, nope

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skd5aner:

mode2, I believe will show all raw input, and irw will show any that's alligned to the used config file (or vice versa, don't recall)

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Wicked:

let me check everything out. i might have removed the lirc module

[21:09:56]

Wicked:

ah ha!

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Wicked:

i got it

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: id say you have some power problems

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Wicked:

the distro i use(arch linux)'s kernel had something change in regards to the mce remote module....i have to remove certain modules and restart lirc for it to work

[21:10:46]

Wicked:

turns out thats what i needed to do

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justinh:

some buttons on my 515 remote are starting to act flaky

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justinh:

and it's crashing periodically

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wagnerrp:

crashing?

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justinh:

I doubt I'll ever buy a Logitech Harmony again

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justinh:

yeah it gets stuck sometimes

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wagnerrp:

never heard of that happening

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wagnerrp:

i love my harmony... but the buttons just dont last very long

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justinh:

like sometimes I press Vol Up & it sticks, meaning I need to take a battery out

[21:27:56]

wagnerrp:

yeah, ive never had a button stick

[21:28:05]

wagnerrp:

ive had it not want to see the keypress

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jams:

justinh happened all the time here, or the whole remote would just freeze.

[21:28:18]

justinh:

the vol- button is wonky too

[21:28:39]

justinh:

you have to catch it a certain way for it to work

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justinh:

it's cos they used crappy tactile switches inside

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: it could be, but I don't think so... I have the machines hooked up to UPSs, which also monitor for spikes/low voltage events, so I would have seen that in the reports/logs

[21:29:05]

jams:

had 3 different harmony one remotes act that way.

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justinh:

the best remotes I've ever had were all conductive rubber contact ones

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justinh:

I'm just glad I didn't pay full price for this

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skd5aner:

justinh: I had 2 harmony 767s where a few of the most used buttons started to not work...

[21:29:56]

justinh:

it's not like it gets a *lot* of use

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wagnerrp:

these get a lot of use

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skd5aner:

justinh: I even bought a conductive paint repair kit specifically to try to fix it, and it did – for about 3 months

[21:30:27]

justinh:

so maybe the more expensive remotes use better switches

[21:30:43]

justinh:

but I'm not laying out > £50 on a remote. No way

[21:33:12]

justinh:

I know from the stuff I've had to test at work you can buy different classes of switch. some have life cycles in the order of low thousands :-\

[21:33:13]

skd5aner:

I thought, for $5 at fry's I could try and "fix" the remote... but it just wares away again

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

I can replace the tact switches no problem.. it's just... nobody should have to on a remote a couple of years old

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skd5aner:

exactly

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justinh:

so – looks like at least some of us are aware of serious issues with harmony remotes after all ;)

[21:34:38]

skd5aner:

I had 2 and my parents had one – I told them to beware, and 6 months later – they had a button or 2 go bad, but before that, their remote would just die really quickly because the backlight would randomly turn on and stay on

[21:35:22]

skd5aner:

I figured the backlight button was just shorting out – took it apart, cleaned it up real good, still did it

[21:35:42]

skd5aner:

no more harmonys for me

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skd5aner:

as much as I like the idea of them

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jams:

skd5aner- agreed!

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justinh:

some tact switches are ridiculous. they're basically a very thin steel bubble atop 2 contacts – sometimes held in place with *sellotape*

[21:36:33]

justinh:

not sure what the harmony 515 uses – I'm sure I'll find out eventually

[21:36:47]

justinh:

I like the number of buttons. hate the software though

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skd5aner:

not really for a power user

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justinh:

or any user tbh

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skd5aner:

justinh: if you want to spend too much money on a remote (or can find one for a really good deal on ebay) I really love the nevo ones – http://www.mynevo.com/

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skd5aner:

I've got a Q50, and love it

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justinh:

my wife still uses my OFA-6 remote – JP1 programmable & has separate device buttons to change its personality

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skd5aner:

only got one though, for the main TV – since it's so expensive

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justinh:

heh they even *look* expensive

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jams:

skd5aner- nice looking, not enough to make me switch from my urc mx-810 but still nice =)

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jams:

like the cradle

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justinh:

meh. anything that needs recharging is off limits, or I'd already have got a pronto or similar years ago

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skd5aner:

the software to program them is almost like an SDE

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skd5aner:

very flexible – can make it do whatever you want

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skd5aner:

very powerful if you use events and macros

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skd5aner:

justinh: yea, it's in the same ballpark as a pronto so to speak

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wagnerrp:

whats wrong with chargers?

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justinh:

I haven't got enough kit to warrant activity based stuff or macros

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skd5aner:

Yea, I kind of like the fact that I can drop it in a cradle and charge

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justinh:

wagnerrp: having to remember to put it on charge

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justinh:

now if it got up & walked to the cradle itself.. :-D

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wagnerrp:

mine will last about a week without recharging

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wagnerrp:

you can always get one of those induction pads

[21:43:20]

wagnerrp:

just put the remote down on the table

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skd5aner:

Yea, you could tell it to to connect to a nevo connect, poll a device via something like Serial and display in real-time what the device(s) are set to instead of just guessing based on what the last button you pressed was

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wagnerrp:

just make sure you dont put any long strips of metal on it

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skd5aner:

so the remote could know exactly what input the reciever or TV was set to, for example

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skd5aner:

I haven't gotten that far yet

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justinh:

this is more my kinda style http://www.oneforall.com/en_UK/product/1/univ . . . 66/essence-4

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skd5aner:

heck, the remote sat in a box for almost 2 years before I got it out, the first year because they didn't have a 64-bit driver for Windows yet and the second year because I was building a house and moving

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skd5aner:

so, I just started playing with it about 3 months ago :)

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skd5aner:

justinh: I have an oneforall remote that has a JP1 header soldered on to it, never did anything with it though – but will likely use it for one of the bedrooms when I build a frontend up there

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justinh:

it's pretty handy to be able to do

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justinh:

proper geek stuff

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justinh:

my OFA didn't have codes for my STB so I learned em with lirc & converted the codes

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justinh:

oo that essence4 thingy has *just* enough buttons too

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skd5aner:

justinh: one of these is what I've got – http://www.hifi-remote.com/ofa/pic2.shtml?URC-6131

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justinh:

this is my old one – the one SWMBO uses http://www.symdesign.com/codes.for.one.for.all.6.urc-7562.html

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justinh:

also JP1 programming is great for when you've got a device profile that doesn't use all the buttons

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justinh:

which is the majority of the preprogrammed ones

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justinh:

course if I had micro chops I could just put my own remote together :)

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justinh:

dunno what the battery life would be like though

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justinh:

heh some googling of the locking remote problem seems to show it's not just the cheap-ass models

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blizzard_:

is there a way to auto transcode recordings to a different format (ie xvid), have it put in another folder than the ordinary recordings, and dissapere from the recordings list?

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blizzard_:

I want recorded FILMs to go into a specific MEDIA directory instead...

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justinh:

with a user job script you likely can

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justinh:

bah that remote I found doesn't seem to have any codes where all the buttons are used

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blizzard_:

just, thats what Im thinking as well

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blizzard_:

could you point me in the right direction?

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wagnerrp:

blizzard_: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvidexport.py

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blizzard_:

nuvexport only does the export... =/

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justinh:

who said nuvexport?

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wagnerrp:

and you dont want to do xvid anyway

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blizzard_:

just, me, that's what I've been trying to do my userjobs with...

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blizzard_:

wagn, xvid was an example. I what i want is h264 in a matroska container =)

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wagnerrp:

why do you want to transcode anyway?

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blizzard_:

however, I guess xvid is an easier first step to see if the process works

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blizzard_:

wagn, mostly spacesaving

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wagnerrp:

use mythtranscode and a cutlist, youll cut ~30% off without transcoding

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, its easier just to buy more hard drives

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wagnerrp:

the only real reason to transcode is to meet the requirements of some hardware decoder

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blizzard_:

uhm

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wagnerrp:

like if you want to run UPnP frontends

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[R]:

my upnp frontend can take anything i throw at it

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[R]:

thats the one good thing about it

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blizzard_:

but my hardware decodcer is a htpc with mythfrontend =)

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[R]:

i need to figure out how to make it run a script on shutdown though

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wagnerrp:

thats a software decoder, meaning you can update the software to decode whatever you want

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blizzard_:

only UPnP frontend I have is the ps3

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blizzard_:

wagn: is the cutlist process to trust?

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wagnerrp:

the ps3 requires some very specific formats

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wagnerrp:

blizzard_: i dont see why not, the only way to make a cutlist is to go into edit mode and manually create it

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blizzard_:

ehum?

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wagnerrp:

edit mode, 'e'

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blizzard_:

by cutlist I thought you meant automatic commercial marking

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wagnerrp:

no, that is the skiplist

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blizzard_:

oh, dont have a keyboard attached to the box, doing all per remote

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wagnerrp:

the commercial flagger produces a skiplist which can be followed by your frontend, depending on your settings

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wagnerrp:

in edit mode, you can load the skiplist in

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blizzard_:

ah, skiplist, cutlist

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blizzard_:

what's the cutlist then?

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wagnerrp:

the cutlist is always followed by the player

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blizzard_:

is that the actual CUTTing instead of marking?

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wagnerrp:

regardless of any settings

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wagnerrp:

and if you run mythtranscode with a cutlist defined, it will permanently remove those chunks of video from the result

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wagnerrp:

if you run it in lossless mode, it will remove those sections, perform some fixup around the cutpoints if you dont cut at keyframes

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wagnerrp:

and then fix the mpeg2 timecodes

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blizzard_:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

basically, you end up with a perfect copy of the file, minus whatever commercials you marked

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wagnerrp:

no hours spent transcoding

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wagnerrp:

or tens of hours spent transcoding HD

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blizzard_:

I have the cpu power

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wagnerrp:

what CPU?

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skd5aner:

justinh: ahh, nevo is owned by UEI (universal electorinics inc.) which also owns "One for All" :) – http://www.uei.com//html.php?page_id=46

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skd5aner:

never knew that

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blizzard_:

amd64 5600+ something like that

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blizzard_:

however, transcoding in my case is rare

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wagnerrp:

so thats an older core at 2.8GHz

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blizzard_:

I only want to transcode movies recorded, and thats about 2–3 per week

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blizzard_:

yes

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wagnerrp:

thats going to run you maybe 10fps transcoding to h264 at decent quality, from a 60fps source

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blizzard_:

transcoding SD takes about 2x1,5h

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wagnerrp:

(in HD)

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blizzard_:

not doing HD yet

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blizzard_:

having problems getting a picture on those channels

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wagnerrp:

compared to the $0.05/GB that current hard drives are going for

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blizzard_:

dont think it's a myth problem, believe it's the wrong frequency or tv card that hinders me

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blizzard_:

yah, got 8tb already =)

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wagnerrp:

you save a few cents in hard drive space, you spend a few cents in power consumption

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wagnerrp:

overall, transcoding is cheaper

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wagnerrp:

but its just not worth the time managing it

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wagnerrp:

easier just to buy more hard drives

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blizzard_:

mmm

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blizzard_:

ok, so you've got me convinced 'bout the transcoding part

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blizzard_:

how can I export my already recorded flicks into an archive that isnt bound to mythtv?

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blizzard_:

media archive to use mythvideo on

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blizzard_:

record video -> export video -> clean up database

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blizzard_:

and btw, what's the name of that script that creates readable symlinks to the recorded files?

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blizzard_:

and by readable I mean title information instead of channel_time...

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Beirdo:

mmmm, more hard drives :)

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justinh:

blizzard_: mythlink.pl IIRC

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blizzard_:

yeah that's the name, thanks!

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blizzard_:

using it for the iphone =)

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blizzard_:

AirVideo server that shares/transcodes/streams the recordings, but due to doing it on filesystem level I need to be able to read the filenames =)

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jams:

iamlindoro- if a video is missing coverart or screenshot does it have the ability to auto-create a screenshot during scanning?

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jams:

where it= mythvideo

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[R]:

jams: no

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jams:

thx

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