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Sunday, December 26th, 2010, 00:03 UTC
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[00:04:38] Shadow__X: keep up the great work guys
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[00:09:59] lautriv: heyda :-) my master-backup won't show encoders from a slave but shows additional channels which i scanned there......where can i dig ?
[00:10:23] antgel: hmm. sorted it out, it was the ondemand governor settings. i wonder if there's a good way i can set up frequency scaling without resorting to using performance govenor
[00:10:34] wagnerrp: did you restart your master backend after configuring the slave?
[00:10:50] wagnerrp: antgel: onboard video?
[00:11:16] lautriv: wagnerrp, yes, several times, also purged anything from slave and begun from scratch......
[00:11:24] antgel: wagnerrp: hey, yes, geforce 8300 / vdpau slim
[00:11:38] wagnerrp: older AMD chip?
[00:11:55] wagnerrp: there was a problem with older AMD chips that as they themselves would downclock, so would the memory bus
[00:12:11] wagnerrp: such that the nvidia graphics chip would end up starved for memory
[00:12:20] antgel: wagnerrp: ah. AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+
[00:12:42] wagnerrp: you can use System Events to set up a pre-roll on such systems that will disable the processor scaling during the duration of playback
[00:13:10] antgel: wagnerrp: thanks for the insight, will look into it :)
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[00:39:36] antgel: wagnerrp: my system event script needs root permissions – how can i achieve what i need from the mythtv system event?
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[00:41:06] antgel: i don't really fancy making it suid root
[00:41:56] sphery: have the system event script call another script with sudo
[00:42:21] JEDIDIAH__: grant sudo access to the relevant commands you need to run from the script.
[00:42:56] antgel: JEDIDIAH__: command is echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[00:42:57] lautriv: wagnerrp, got it half-way fixed (mysql needed a bit long) now status tells me encoders from slave but "not connected" ?
[00:43:29] JEDIDIAH__: I wonder if you can chmod that file...
[00:43:38] sphery: antgel: http://notfaq.wordpress.com/2007/09/26/unixli . . . put-as-sudo/
[00:43:54] sphery: my preference is "or as one reader suggested"
[00:45:30] JEDIDIAH__: you can make that file work writable.
[00:45:57] sphery: I don't see why you wouldn't use sudo in the script
[00:46:38] JEDIDIAH__: dunno how sudo of the echo would help the redirect.
[00:46:54] sphery: JEDIDIAH__: http://notfaq.wordpress.com/2007/09/26/unixli . . . put-as-sudo/
[00:47:07] sphery: you sudo tee
[00:47:10] sphery: don't redirect
[00:49:13] JEDIDIAH__: in a script you would need to grant sudo access to tee without a password.
[00:51:59] antgel: got it
[00:52:09] antgel: %mythtv ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/local/sbin/ondemand
[00:52:09] antgel: %mythtv ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/local/sbin/performance
[00:52:14] antgel: thanks for the sudo hint
[00:52:37] sphery: enjoy
[00:56:03] Beirdo: now send him the bill :)
[00:56:19] sphery: heh
[00:59:31] wagnerrp: consultancy fee is $100/hr, half hour minimum
[01:00:29] wagnerrp: didnt one of those ohloh-like sites estimate mythtv at $10M of worth from the committed lines?
[01:00:38] Beirdo: and $20 for each google query you coulda done yourselves
[01:01:05] Beirdo: yup, but to be fair, a lot of that is ffmpeg lines
[01:01:29] wagnerrp: true
[01:01:31] clever: JEDIDIAH__: unlocking tee without a password is extremely unsafe
[01:01:43] clever: echo newpassword | sudo tee /etc/shadow, su -
[01:01:53] wagnerrp: and every time its resynced, its all those lines all over again
[01:01:58] clever: you might aswell just allow * thru sudo :P
[01:02:13] Beirdo: clever, that line wouldn't work anyways
[01:02:28] clever: Beirdo: just an example, you would need a proper passwd line
[01:03:36] Beirdo: !trout clever
[01:03:36] ** MythLogBot slaps clever with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **
[01:04:04] Beirdo: oh, and BTW, bah humbug to all :)
[01:04:15] clever: :D
[01:05:04] sphery: wagnerrp: $35M – https://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv
[01:06:01] sphery: seems about right to me--based on the millions I've gotten in salary and bonuses from MythTV Corp.
[01:06:24] Beirdo: hehe
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[01:07:35] sphery: Oh, and having previously discussed sudo, need I remind anyone to be extremely careful (especially this time of year): http://xkcd.com/838/
[01:08:06] JEDIDIAH__: Sure C. My first suggestion was to just open up the relevant file.
[01:10:06] JEDIDIAH__: This MythTV Corp doesn't pay their programmers very well... even based on that webpage. '-)
[01:10:38] sphery: if you grant sudo access, it should include specifying access to the relevant tee destination, too... but using named scripts also works well
[01:12:25] sphery: JEDIDIAH__: they give us low salaries but high bonuses, dividends, and distributions... adds a lot of options come tax time :)
[01:12:41] JEDIDIAH__: you forgot about the stock options.
[01:12:53] sphery: oh, yeah, and those
[01:13:27] sphery: Beirdo and his accountant were able to save enough on taxes to buy his 200' yacht, the 1R5
[01:13:46] Beirdo: hheheh
[01:14:53] sphery: he said the IRS would never get his money--instead, it went to the 1R5
[01:15:46] Beirdo: if I had a 200' yacht, I'd so be Aruba right now
[01:15:47] JEDIDIAH__: that's 200mm yacht. -;)
[01:16:38] wagnerrp: no need to be greedy
[01:16:42] sphery: I just hope when Beirdo and Larry E are preparing for the America's Cup race, it doesn't keep him from getting MythTV stuff done
[01:16:44] wagnerrp: 200' would be plenty nice
[01:17:26] Beirdo: it would, yeah
[01:21:02] wagnerrp: man... i just cant help myself from telling people to buy new hardware
[01:21:23] wagnerrp: just told someone to buy a new video card to use with a 1080p monitor, in lieu of onboard nvidia 6100
[01:21:32] Beirdo: hehe
[01:21:36] wagnerrp: the 6100 was VGA only
[01:23:58] ** wagnerrp gets back to splitting out the backend server **
[01:25:20] wagnerrp: there is a lot of crap tied in through MythServer 'just because'
[01:25:45] wagnerrp: i suppose its to provide access without requiring a global, or stuffing it into gCoreContext
[01:26:17] JEDIDIAH__: well, a 1080p TV would be a different matter (than a 1080p monitor).
[01:27:07] wagnerrp: 1080p anything, a low end 6-series card cant manage that digitally, even if the 6100 had DVI support
[01:27:33] wagnerrp: i dont know if those cards supported 16:9 aspect ratios over VGA anyway
[01:27:52] wagnerrp: or if the monitor supports it for that matter
[01:28:07] JEDIDIAH__: the 7's could though.
[01:28:21] wagnerrp: some 7s could
[01:28:30] wagnerrp: the 7300s i believe were only 1600x1200
[01:28:52] wagnerrp: most 6-series cards were capped at 1600x1200
[01:29:02] wagnerrp: some maybe lower
[01:33:31] JEDIDIAH__: It sounds like he can just use what he has, let the 6100 run at whatever resolution it can handle and just leave things be.
[01:36:16] sphery: VGA worked fine on the older cards--I did 1920x1080@60Hz on my GF4MX440 (but GL performance and memory bandwidth made it less than ideal). But I agree you really didn't have useful digital at high res/refresh until HDMI 1.3.
[01:36:57] wagnerrp: im not talking about HDMI anything
[01:37:14] wagnerrp: im just saying the TMDS transmitters on those older cards were cheap and underperforming
[01:37:20] sphery: right
[01:37:39] wagnerrp: they didnt have the throughput for high resolution displays
[01:37:56] sphery: and coupled with the bandwidth limitations of DVI (inherited, also, by HDMI), means that even those that claimed they could do well didn't
[01:38:00] wagnerrp: it wasnt until the 8-series before 1920x1200 was supported across the line
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[02:08:49] lyricnz: so, is post-recording transcoding transparent these days? last time I tried it, it just segfaulted all the time
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[02:13:26] wagnerrp: its supposed to be, yes
[02:13:41] wagnerrp: not that you would want to use the internal transcoder for 'real transcoding'
[02:14:41] lyricnz: no/
[02:14:42] lyricnz: ?
[02:15:08] lyricnz: I don't want to keep it especially, just save lots of disk
[02:15:08] wagnerrp: mythtranscode is fine if you want to clip commercials
[02:15:09] lyricnz: raw mpeg1 is huge
[02:15:17] wagnerrp: mythtv never records to mpeg1
[02:15:42] wagnerrp: if you actually want to transcode, mythtranscode doesnt support any worthwhile formats
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[02:16:07] wagnerrp: JEDIDIAH__: i didnt notice that it was only for standard definition content
[02:16:10] lyricnz: sure it does, dvb just writes whatever comes off the air, right?
[02:16:45] wagnerrp: yes, but digital broadcasts are mpeg2 transport streams, containing mpeg2 or mpeg4avc video
[02:16:49] wagnerrp: never mpeg1
[02:17:10] JEDIDIAH__: suspected as much. that's why I stated my response the way I did.
[02:17:47] lyricnz: okay, it's mpeg2, but it's still *huge*, especially HD
[02:18:07] wagnerrp: if youre concerned about space, clip commercials, and then use something that can transcode to h264 (mpeg4avc)
[02:18:14] wagnerrp: assuming your recordings arent already using it
[02:18:36] J-e-f-f-A: lyricnz: define 'huge'? USA OTA is MPEG2, and a 1 hr show is 6 or 7 GB — that's not bad imo...
[02:18:49] lyricnz: can't clip commercials automatically with any reliability. I'm not talking archiving, just keeping more recordings for a while
[02:18:59] wagnerrp: mythtranscode can only do rtjpeg (which is far worse than mpeg2) or mpeg4asp (which is only moderately better than mpeg2, and bad for HD content)
[02:19:14] lyricnz: J-e-f-f-A: I've got a dozen recordings over 10GB each – eats up the storage quite quick
[02:19:29] lyricnz: myth can use external transcoder?
[02:19:30] wagnerrp: lyricnz: get more storage? hard drives are cheap
[02:19:32] JEDIDIAH__: 7G for an hour long SD show is too much.
[02:19:42] lyricnz: yeah, I'm a bit space limited in the case.
[02:19:51] lyricnz: and it's boxing day :)
[02:19:54] wagnerrp: 7GB/hr is large for an HD recording, SD over here is usually ~1GB/hr
[02:19:56] JEDIDIAH__: HD gets really big (like the guy said)
[02:20:05] J-e-f-f-A: lyricnz: Hehehe... ;-) My system has 5TB of storage — and many on this channel have LOTS more than me... ;-)
[02:20:20] lyricnz: Yeah, I used to have what was called lots, but haven't added much recently.
[02:20:24] lyricnz: I've got ~3TB
[02:20:28] JEDIDIAH__: some OTA stations do really poorly "encoding" their old re-runs. Wastes a lot of space/bandwidth that way.
[02:20:44] ** JEDIDIAH__ doesn't use most of his storage for recordings. **
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[02:21:45] lyricnz: I just added my root FS, which had 100GB free, to the storage groups, just to fend off failure for a bit more
[02:22:09] wagnerrp: lyricnz: if youve got the power, and dont want the hard drives, use h264
[02:22:34] wagnerrp: but at $0.05/GB these days, usually easier just to buy the hard drives
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[02:23:04] lyricnz: disk isn't that cheap down here, but still, I know.
[02:23:28] lyricnz: the backend isn't super-fast – it's AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+
[02:23:38] wagnerrp: generally places that dont have cheap disks also dont have cheap power
[02:23:44] wagnerrp: and transcoding is very intensive
[02:24:06] wagnerrp: expect that processor to manage ~5fps on HD content
[02:24:21] lyricnz: crap, forget it
[02:24:44] lyricnz: my frontend is way faster, but nothing crazy – Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E7300 @ 2.66GHz
[02:26:54] wagnerrp: the core2 would probably be about 50% faster
[02:27:37] lyricnz: only 50%? seems way faster interactively, and bogomips is about 2.5x more.
[02:27:57] lyricnz: X2 is backend because it's noisy, and the core2 is quieter.
[02:28:23] wagnerrp: an older 2GHz AMD64 X2 vs. a 2.66GHz Core2?
[02:28:38] wagnerrp: the core2 will be considerably faster clock-for-clock
[02:28:51] wagnerrp: but not 2.5x as fast
[02:29:19] wagnerrp: memory will be 2.5x as fast, but not processing
[02:29:56] wagnerrp: whatever measurement the kernel bogomips calc uses seems to be extremely artificial
[02:30:02] lyricnz: Oh totally
[02:30:20] lyricnz: 2TB disk is ~$99 here from cheap place. Wondering if it's worth the hassle of swapping out 1tb for 2. I presume external USB drive isn't fast enough?
[02:30:32] wagnerrp: sure it is
[02:30:48] wagnerrp: its just a bit clumsy to have a bunch of external boxes for storage
[02:30:52] wagnerrp: no more ports free?
[02:31:14] ** NightMonkey trips over his external USB hard drives. **
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[02:32:05] lyricnz: I've got four 500–1000GB usb drives on my desk doing nothing, full of crap.
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[02:32:28] lyricnz: the backend lives in the garage, nobody goes near it
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[03:00:29] JEDIDIAH__: you can get an external JBOD chassis that runs off of esata. Some even come with their own esata cards.
[03:00:29] sphery: I vote for watch + delete + enough HDDs to get you through
[03:02:29] wagnerrp: can i use '<<' on the same line i initialize a variable?
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[03:11:36] sphery: wagnerrp: when it's appropriate for the type--like for sticking things in a QStringList
[03:12:57] wagnerrp: yeah, like 'QStringList var << "a" << "b" << "c";
[03:18:28] sphery: would be QStringList var = QStringList() << "a" << "b" << "c";
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[03:47:39] Hilikus: hey guys
[03:47:58] Hilikus: in my phone i see "remote" in mythweb, but nothing happens when i click it
[03:48:08] Hilikus: do i need to enable it or its just not implemented yet?
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[03:49:52] Perdignus: Hilikus: you'll need to change your backend to listen on the local ip (eg 192.168.x.x) rather than 127.0.0.1
[03:50:20] Perdignus: Hilikus: then you'll need to permit user@your.phone 's.ip.x to use mythconverg via mysql
[03:50:51] Perdignus: then tell the "remote" program to connect to your myth system on its IP addy
[03:51:15] miststlkr: one of my frontends [.23] is asking me to "Select a CD Drive" when it first loads, but not the other frontend. Can someone suggest why it might be asking that and how to stop it?
[03:51:20] wagnerrp: Perdignus: not sure what youre talking about
[03:51:31] Perdignus: wagnerrp: noobie :P
[03:51:49] wagnerrp: Hilikus: the 'remote' utility in mythweb is for interfacing with the frontend remote control socket
[03:52:22] wagnerrp: when you open that, mythweb will attempt to connect to any frontend for which you have listed a control socket port in the database, and specified that you want it enabled
[03:52:24] Hilikus: wagnerrp: any doc on how to configure it?
[03:52:35] Perdignus: oh yeah, I missed "in mythweb" so scratch all of that entirely, I thought you meant like an iPhode/iPod mythtv remote
[03:52:40] wagnerrp: it will then provide a list of which frontends were accessible (and thus can be controlled)
[03:52:55] wagnerrp: its in the frontend options somewhere, dont recall thwere
[03:53:03] wagnerrp: probably in General somewhere
[03:53:13] Hilikus: yes, i imagined it was related to the fact that when i go to i recording and choose "play in frontend" nothing appears
[03:53:31] wagnerrp: miststlkr: sounds like mythmusic wanting you to set up the mediamonitor (the bits that automatically start playback when you insert a CD)
[03:54:12] miststlkr: wagnerrp: thanks, I'll have a look
[03:56:40] miststlkr: wagnerrp: disabling myhtmusic did the trick, but now [related or not, not sure] I get the background loaded then the frontend crashes out. last line of frontend log says "QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread"
[03:57:11] Hilikus: wagnerrp: i enabled it in the frontend but still nothing. what else do i need to change?
[03:57:33] wagnerrp: Hilikus: you probably need to restart the frontend
[03:57:48] Hilikus: oh ok
[03:58:15] wagnerrp: miststlkr: run with '-v all'
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[04:03:04] miststlkr: wagnerrp: it is looking for a filesystem that isn't mounted; I switched my fstab over to using UUIDs a little while back, perhaps I haven't run myth on this system since, but I'm guessing that is the issue. I'll run with that idea unless you have a suggestion. Thanks!
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[04:05:57] sphery: miststlkr: what version and revision of mythtv... that sounds like the mythbuntu 10.04 pre-release version of MythTV 0.23
[04:06:25] sphery: and if so, you need to update to either current 0.23-fixes or 0.24-fixes
[04:06:52] miststlkr: sphery: mythfrontend version: branches/release-0-23-fixes [24158]
[04:06:52] MythLogBot: SVN 24158: (branch fixes/0.23) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/67b5afcf
[04:07:01] wagnerrp: yeah, you need to update
[04:07:06] sphery: does this mean rkulagow is getting registered?  :) Hello, Robert.
[04:07:14] miststlkr: sphery: not ready for a .24 move yet
[04:07:19] rkulagow: hey
[04:07:25] rkulagow: yes, getting registered
[04:07:27] sphery: then update to current 0.23-fixes, at least
[04:07:28] wagnerrp: miststlkr: no, you need to update to 0.23
[04:07:29] rkulagow: been a while
[04:07:38] wagnerrp: miststlkr: you are currently running a pre-release
[04:07:46] rkulagow: IIRC, you used to get a "it's been XXX days since you last connected".
[04:08:02] sphery: miststlkr: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[04:08:02] rkulagow: probably would have done that, but overflowed a long long
[04:08:03] miststlkr: wagnerrp: ah.. it's what synaptic has as current.
[04:08:24] Hilikus: wagnerrp: ok, now when i click on a recording and select "watch on frontend" i do see my frontend and it works perfectly, but the "remote" link still doesn't do anything
[04:08:52] wagnerrp: Hilikus: not sure why one would work but not the other
[04:08:58] sphery: rkulagow: heh, well it's nice to see you here--even if it's just a brief visit :)
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[04:09:48] miststlkr: sphery: the link is for mythbuntu, which my other system does run, but this one has myth on a base ubuntu install, that link still valid?
[04:10:10] sphery: miststlkr: yes, it is... just make sure you select the 0.23-fixes one
[04:10:41] sphery: i.e. don't go to 0.24-fixes if you're not ready for an upgrade--and definitely don't go to unstable/development
[04:11:23] Hilikus: wagnerrp: when was this implemented? i'm using 0.23
[04:11:39] wagnerrp: when was what implemented?
[04:11:42] Hilikus: this is the remote link
[04:11:43] Hilikus: http://mazinger/mythweb/#
[04:11:48] sphery: should work in 0.23-fixes
[04:12:01] sphery: Hilikus: you do need to enable frontend network control, though
[04:12:07] wagnerrp: all of mythtv only works with the same version of itself
[04:12:07] sphery: and have your frontends running
[04:12:20] wagnerrp: a new version of mythweb will not work with an old version of mythtv
[04:12:35] wagnerrp: so if a feature exists in your current version of mythweb, it is supported in your current version of mythtv
[04:12:42] miststlkr: sphery: .23 or .23.1?
[04:12:42] Hilikus: sphery: i enabled it. now if i go to a recording and select "watch in frontend" it shows the list and starts playing fine, but the remote link still doesn't do anything
[04:12:51] Hilikus: wagnerrp: i see
[04:13:20] sphery: miststlkr: if you're running *buntu on all your systems, go to 0.23.1's -fixes
[04:13:54] sphery: if you have other non-Ubuntu distros, you may not be able to update that far--check the availability of updated packages on the other distro
[04:14:59] miststlkr: my backend says it is also running branches/release-0-23-fixes [24158] and hasn't had any issues
[04:14:59] MythLogBot: SVN 24158: (branch fixes/0.23) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/67b5afcf
[04:15:41] miststlkr: sphery: that one is on mythbuntu 10.04
[04:16:22] sphery: update all of them to 0.23.1's fixes
[04:16:46] sphery: it's not a major upgrade, but there's a small change in how they communicate, so all systems will need updating
[04:17:01] sphery: and you really don't want to run the buggy, pre-release version you have :)
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[04:19:28] wagnerrp: sphery: how would i have a list of generic objects?
[04:19:32] wagnerrp: a void pointer?
[04:20:06] wagnerrp: trying to figure out how i would store registered handlers
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[04:20:58] sphery: I recommend asking Capt M. I'm not sure my idea of the right way is MythTV's idea.
[04:22:20] wagnerrp: i mean a pointer is just a point to memory, but if it is to be used, it has to cast to some type
[04:22:33] Hilikus: are you guys also the mythdroid developers?
[04:22:34] wagnerrp: would i need to have a generic 'Handler' class, that everything would subclass off of?
[04:22:49] wagnerrp: no, the mythdroid developer helps with the audio stuff
[04:22:49] sphery: If it were me, I'd use a class type with implementations providing the handler
[04:22:56] wagnerrp: but he is not an official developer
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[04:23:17] Hilikus: any idea why it would require "receive SMS" permission?
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[04:23:21] sphery: then you wouldn't need dangerous raw pointers :)
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[04:24:22] wagnerrp: i should probably take a look at how plugins are registered in the frontend
[04:24:45] sphery: yeah, that would be the best approach--would fit well with the other code
[04:25:07] sphery: I have a feeling it's some variation of the class/subclass or "interface"/implementation approach
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[04:28:15] miststlkr: sphery: that seems to be in the right direction, updating the backend system now but when I run the frontend on this system I get a message that the network communcation protocol has changed.. which sounds appropriate from what you said.
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[04:28:43] sphery: yeah, once you update the frontend system, it should work fine
[04:29:43] miststlkr: is there a date for .25 yet?
[04:29:50] wagnerrp: sorta
[04:30:08] wagnerrp: supposed to be may
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[04:30:16] wagnerrp: but that depends on the progress of the setup rewrite
[04:30:31] miststlkr: wagnerrp: got it. thanks.
[04:31:40] wagnerrp: sphery: yeah, seems ill need a base class to use as the type
[04:31:57] wagnerrp: and all polymorphism should happen automatically from there
[04:32:24] sphery: yeah, much safer than trying to do that without language support :)
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[05:07:05] miststlkr: is there a way to exclude a subdirectory from a mythvideo database scan?
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[05:19:34] sphery: miststlkr: move it somewhere else?  :)
[05:19:57] miststlkr: sphery: didn't hurt to ask.
[05:20:10] sphery: you can exclude unknown file types or tell it to ignore file types (based on extension), but only way to exclude directories is to not have them in there
[05:21:27] sphery: with multiple directories, if you were to put it at the same level as the ones you don't want to exclude, you could exclude it (i.e. /srv/mythtv/video1 /srv/mythtv/video2 /srv/mythtv/ignoreddirectory)
[05:21:59] sphery: but it's probably just as easy to do /srv/mythtv/video and just move ignoreddirectory elsewhere
[05:24:59] miststlkr: sphery: it wouldn't be a big deal to move them, but I'd rather not. No biggie. thanks
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[05:34:15] Hilikus: mmm i just discovered mythmote. what you guys think about mythmote vs mythdroid?
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[05:37:53] J-e-f-f-A: Hilikus: mythmote works 'out of the box', but doesn't offer streaming. mythdroid needs additional configuration, but offers streaming. (I have used mythmote, and have not completed mythdroid setup yet)
[05:39:31] wagnerrp: Hilikus: mythmote and mythdroid have completely different purposes
[05:39:34] wagnerrp: you cant compare the two
[05:39:49] Hilikus: really? i don't get that from the description
[05:40:04] wagnerrp: mythmote is a remote control
[05:40:11] wagnerrp: mythdroid is intended as an alternate frontend
[05:40:18] Hilikus: mm i see
[05:41:12] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp: I think mythdroid can also control your frontends too, like a remote, and provide additional status as to what the frontend is doing too...
[05:41:27] Hilikus: yes
[05:41:59] J-e-f-f-A: Hilikus: but wagnerrp is right – mytmote is purely a simple remote that uses the network interface.
[05:42:13] Hilikus: that's what i'm looking for
[05:42:20] Hilikus: i don't think i need the extra features
[05:42:27] Hilikus: thanks guys
[05:43:43] Shadow__X: J-e-f-f-A: hey, in the next day or two i am going to start doing my vlc testing to see if i can get vlc to stream to a device
[05:44:49] Shadow__X: and since mythdroid is open source i can use that as a stepping stone
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[05:49:44] J-e-f-f-A: Shadow__X: Nice. ;-)
[05:49:58] ** J-e-f-f-A heads off to bed. ;-) ZZZZzzzzzz...... **
[05:50:03] Shadow__X: good night
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[05:55:18] Hilikus: ok, mythmote works fine, "watch in frontend" in mythweb works fine but still remote in mythweb doesn't work
[05:55:27] Hilikus: any ideas why could it not work?
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[06:22:57] Jester: hey guys.. I'm in the mist of building my raid5.. its been going since before 1pm EST does this seem like its taking a bit too long. I have (3) 2tb WDs
[06:26:33] wagnerrp: for it to finish within 12 hours, that would mean youre running each drive at 50MB/s sustained
[06:26:43] sphery: So, I /was/ watching a Kid's Christmas movie (The Polar Express) I recorded from our local ABC channel, and they interrupted the show with full screen weather for >40min and spend another 30+ at just over 1/4 size with scrollers on side and bottom
[06:26:56] sphery: how many kids do you think enjoyed that?
[06:27:10] wagnerrp: well the kids had to see their school closings
[06:27:12] Jester: wagnerrp, we spoke about my raid situation earlier.. username: ubuntu_ i believe
[06:27:13] wagnerrp: oh wait...
[06:27:32] sphery: heh
[06:27:48] wagnerrp: tornados or something?
[06:27:57] sphery: yeah
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[06:28:07] sphery: 2008, it seems
[06:28:31] sphery: (took a while to get around to watching it--being as it's one that's only worth watching during a certain time of year)
[06:28:39] Jester: should it be taking 12+hrs to build my raid?
[06:28:48] Jester: raid5 w/ (3) 2tb
[06:29:15] wagnerrp: Jester: as mentioned, a 2TB rebuild within 12 hours means a sustained 50MB/s on each drive, simultaneously
[06:29:37] wagnerrp: my hardware controller takes around 15hrs to rebuild my 9x750GB RAID6
[06:29:55] Jester: i suppose that makes sense when you look at it logically lol
[06:30:15] wagnerrp: you are simply manipulating a /lot/ of data
[06:30:15] Jester: i was just worried something was going wrong.. new box and i'm doing it all via LiveCD
[06:30:18] wagnerrp: these things take time
[06:30:31] Jester: understood.. just wanted to verify
[06:30:49] Jester: finish time looks to be 148min
[06:31:18] wagnerrp: so total time around 15hrs, not at all unreasonable
[06:31:27] Jester: now I just wonder how long it will be until i need to increase the storage space :-\
[06:31:30] wagnerrp: ive heard of people complaining about several day rebuilds before
[06:31:39] Jester: holy crap lol
[06:31:51] wagnerrp: that depends... how long until you start buying bluray and ripping them?
[06:31:58] Jester: is it possible to add an HDD to a raid5 after its been built and used?
[06:32:25] wagnerrp: yes, most RAID solutions allow you to expand the array onto an additional drive
[06:32:30] Jester: yeah I have a feeling I'll be doing nothing be bluray from here on out
[06:32:37] wagnerrp: and most filesystems allow expansion
[06:32:47] Jester: i'm using ext4
[06:33:18] Jester: clearly I'm knew to the whole raid scene
[06:33:42] wagnerrp: sphery: do you know if there is any existing utility in mythtv for a read/write mutex?
[06:34:03] wagnerrp: something to allow multiple simultaneous read, but only one write
[06:34:10] wagnerrp: i know ive seen one in the code somewhere
[06:34:13] wagnerrp: but i dont remember where
[06:34:14] sphery: think there are just several places using QMutex or QSemaphore or QMutexLocker or ...
[06:34:53] sphery: no genericized code, though
[06:36:01] wagnerrp: ah, QReadWriteLock
[06:36:10] wagnerrp: that must have been what i saw earlier
[06:36:22] sphery: ah, yeah, forgot that one
[06:36:48] Shadow__X: Jester: what controller are you using
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[06:37:31] Jester: soft
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[06:37:36] Jester: mdadm
[06:40:26] Shadow__X: oh ok. what would be the reason to do the build on a live cd?
[06:41:14] Jester: Shadow__X, no space to install OS
[06:41:54] Jester: i have a 1TB which is FULL .. transferring all of the data to my raid of 2tb's and then installing OSs on the 1TB drive
[06:42:07] Jester: all are WD green series
[06:42:13] Shadow__X: :(
[06:42:26] Jester: lol why the :(
[06:42:33] Shadow__X: i am not the biggest fan of the green drives but maybe i am just different
[06:42:56] Jester: i was a little :-\ about them myself but my buddy has been using them w/o issue so...
[06:42:59] Shadow__X: they are slow also, i have read reports of them frequently dropping out of windows software raid arrays
[06:43:24] Jester: yeah.. we shall see i guess
[06:43:27] Shadow__X: although i am unsure if thats windows/software fault or if its due to a delayed read write to fix errors on the drive
[06:43:33] wagnerrp: yes, the greens are generally bad for RAID because of the rapid spindown
[06:43:44] wagnerrp: they spin down after 8 seconds of idle
[06:43:54] Shadow__X: yeah i am just commenting on what i have read. i am not sure how reliable the info has been
[06:43:59] Shadow__X: wagnerrp: oh, is that the issue?
[06:44:12] wagnerrp: there is a DOS utility that will let you increase that up to 30 minutes
[06:44:22] Jester: hmm
[06:44:27] Shadow__X: because i have been using wd blacks in raid arrays without an issue. I always hear chatter about the need for tler
[06:44:52] Jester: so is there anything i should be looking into for my linux raid5?
[06:44:53] wagnerrp: no
[06:45:11] wagnerrp: TLER means that the drive will stop trying to recover a failed bit sooner
[06:45:25] wagnerrp: so the RAID array can enact its own recovery mechanism
[06:45:41] wagnerrp: the RE drives return much sooner, which results in increased responsiveness
[06:46:02] wagnerrp: the standard consumer drives will try for much longer, meaning your RAID array stalls while waiting on that one drive
[06:46:07] Jester: hmm.. i think i about half understand that lol
[06:46:19] wagnerrp: hard drives are heavily redundant
[06:46:38] wagnerrp: that 2TB drive probably has capacity for closer to 2.5TB of storage
[06:46:49] Shadow__X: which would make some arrays mark the drive as need to be resynced and then the array rebuilds due to the dropped drive?
[06:46:52] wagnerrp: when you include ECC data and dummy sectors
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[06:47:12] wagnerrp: they are designed to error
[06:47:14] wagnerrp: and error a lot
[06:47:26] wagnerrp: but they have ECC so they can correct for nearly all read errors
[06:47:46] wagnerrp: as a result, their performance is significantly higher than if they tried reading perfectly from the media every time
[06:48:13] Jester: oh
[06:48:14] wagnerrp: if the ECC fails, the drive will try to repeatedly reread the same sector, to try to recover that data
[06:48:28] wagnerrp: TLER means it will abort after just a few tries
[06:48:34] wagnerrp: and let the RAID array handle it
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[06:48:52] Shadow__X: so this is ok? Save the file and close text editor.
[06:48:52] Shadow__X: Start now one of the programs installed
[06:49:04] Shadow__X: whoops
[06:49:28] Jester: 88.8% oohh man we're getting close(r) lol
[06:50:13] Shadow__X: Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 120 099 006 Pre-fail Always  – 239821201
[06:50:16] Shadow__X: thats ok?
[06:51:07] wagnerrp: optimal is 120, youre at 99
[06:51:12] wagnerrp: warning level is 6
[06:51:18] wagnerrp: id say you have a ways to go
[06:51:32] Shadow__X: then what is the bunch of numbers after it?
[06:51:32] wagnerrp: however instantaneous SMART readings are not really useful
[06:51:39] wagnerrp: you have to watch trends
[06:51:43] wagnerrp: thats the raw data
[06:51:51] Shadow__X: oh ok
[06:51:58] Shadow__X: how do i watch the trends?
[06:52:05] wagnerrp: if your error rate starts rapidly trending downwards, then you have a problem
[06:52:14] wagnerrp: you dont, smartmontools is supposed to for you
[06:53:04] Shadow__X: and it emails (if configured) when it sees an issue?
[06:53:08] Shadow__X: what about this
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[06:53:21] Shadow__X: Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 072 057 030 Pre-fail Always  – 21569271995
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[06:54:56] Shadow__X: oh ok i think i understand now
[06:55:08] Shadow__X: it starts off at the higher number and works its way down
[06:55:23] Shadow__X: and the warning level is where you need to be worried
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[06:57:24] wagnerrp: stupid mythtvtalk
[06:57:33] wagnerrp: responses have to be 10 characters or longer
[06:57:38] wagnerrp: 'huh?' doesnt cut it
[06:58:40] wagnerrp: "1) Installed Ubuntu 10.10 into Windows"
[06:58:42] sphery: huh???????
[06:59:25] sphery: or maybe "huh? "
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[07:11:46] wagnerrp: 400 lines and i think this protocol server is about finished
[07:12:09] wagnerrp: ... of course now i have to write in modules to actually perform the other 5600 lines of mainserver.cpp
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[10:29:17] stefan_-: hello. what does the "-j" switch to mythtranscode?
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[10:41:24] stefan_-: mythtranscode fails on some dvb-t recordings.
[10:41:51] stefan_-: using cutlist, transcode npg2TS to mpg2PS. please see http://pastebin.com/LRVeX2UG
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[17:07:21] Jester: how do you mount a raid?
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[17:09:54] wagnerrp: 'mount'
[17:10:05] wagnerrp: not sure i understand the question
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[18:59:09] betternow: Does anyone have mythtv setup with Direct TV?
[19:03:38] jstenback: Yes, I do
[19:03:41] gregL: betternow, Not me but there are lots of people who do..
[19:03:51] gregL: too late..
[19:04:57] betternow: Well I just got a new TV and want to set it up... from my reading online it seems direct TV setups bring a few additional headaches
[19:05:17] betternow: Would you say that is true jstenback?
[19:08:50] jstenback: depends on how you define headaches...
[19:09:24] betternow: Seeing as this is a linux project I would define them a hobbies
[19:09:28] betternow: :p
[19:09:36] jstenback: you'll once you have your receivers and decoder setups all going I don't know of anything that's different from directv vs cable
[19:09:58] jstenback: betternow: heh, in that case then yeah, probably :)
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[19:13:04] jstenback: betternow: fwiw I have two directv hd receivers here, each hooked up to HD-PVRs, each hooked into different slave backend computers
[19:13:36] jstenback: betternow: one slave backend is running on one of my frontends, the other one is standalone
[19:16:07] betternow: I just want to set up one receiver, I am just going to set up a standalone. I don't have a tv tuner card yet, any recommendations?
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[19:21:16] aputerboy: Error:" Table 'mythconverg.user' doesnt' exist" – I got this after I 'granted' privileges to mythtv@newmachine and the tried to UPDATE user Set Password=Password('mythtv') WHERE user='mythtv'
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[19:21:31] aputerboy: I never had this issue before. Admittedly, i did this with the backend running
[19:22:11] aputerboy: i am still able to access from machines that were previously allowed so somehow the users table must exist somewhere
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[20:43:22] FinnTux: is there a way to downgrade to 0.23-fixes? only recorded programs are needed. recordings rules and previously recoded info would be a bonus
[20:44:20] J-e-f-f-A: aputerboy: take a look at http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/tips.php  – about 2/3 down "Remote front-ends" – make sure you did the commands right.
[20:44:30] FinnTux: I'm having problems with failed recordings and failing live-tv. 0.23 works ok
[20:47:19] J-e-f-f-A: What's "live tv"?
[20:47:21] J-e-f-f-A: ;-)
[20:47:45] jstenback: betternow: Hauppage HD-PVR is what you want if you want HD content recorded as HD, otherwise any supported analog tuner card should work
[20:48:11] aputerboy: JeffA – thanks – it was actually my bad – I was using 'mythconverg' as the database rather than 'mysql' — i had forgotten about that
[20:48:28] aputerboy: the users table is part of mysql not mythconverg — or so it seems... :)
[20:48:31] FinnTux: J-e-f-f-A, it's a way to watch, for example, sports events at the same time as the rest of the world
[20:49:12] aputerboy: JeffA – does that make sense?
[20:49:26] J-e-f-f-A: FinnTux: Not really – they're still delayed by 3–5 seconds, as it's still a recording, then playback.  ;-)
[20:49:31] J-e-f-f-A: aputerboy: Yep. ;-)
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[20:50:10] J-e-f-f-A: FinnTux: What version of 0.24 are you on?
[20:50:38] FinnTux: J-e-f-f-A, close enough. 0.24-fixes. updated few days ago
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[20:52:02] FinnTux: J-e-f-f-A, I'm multicasting my 4 DVB-T muxes and using IPTV recorders in my backend if that matters
[20:52:06] J-e-f-f-A: FinnTux: to answer your question about downgrading – no... not easily anyways – you could wipe the DB and restore it with the backup that the 0.24 install created, but you'd lose track of all of your recorded programs since the upgrade...
[20:52:39] FinnTux: J-e-f-f-A, that would be fine my me but wife would hang me...
[20:52:45] betternow: jstenback: thanks
[20:53:51] FinnTux: I tried to examine what is going on and it looks like the buffer file stays at 0B
[20:54:07] J-e-f-f-A: FinnTux: Ah. I'm here in the states, so don't have either of those available to me... My setup has 7 tuners... but more simple — 1 is a IPTV STB which feeds a PVR-250, two are HD Cable boxes that feed HD-PVRs, and the other 4 are HDHomeruns that do OTA HD. [roughly equivalent to your DVB-T]
[20:54:43] J-e-f-f-A: FinnTux: I don't use multirec on the HDHomeruns as here in the states the channels usually don't carry anything 'useful' on the sub-channels...
[20:54:55] FinnTux: J-e-f-f-A, right. my system is a bit funny but like I said 0.23 worked well
[20:55:48] [R]: J-e-f-f-A: thats a lot of equipment
[20:55:59] J-e-f-f-A: [R]: ;-) hehehehe
[20:56:21] FinnTux: J-e-f-f-A, I have 21 channels multicasted to my home network. all sorts of programs can grab the channels from there
[20:56:32] J-e-f-f-A: [R]: I have 2 HDHR's, but they have 2 tuners each. ;-)
[20:56:47] [R]: what... do you record evferything on every channel 24/7?
[20:56:48] FinnTux: separate backends for kids, testing backends etc
[20:57:21] J-e-f-f-A: FinnTux: how's your mysql-fu? ;-)
[20:57:57] FinnTux: mysql-fu?
[20:58:06] ** J-e-f-f-A sighs as he has to go out and check the snowblower before the 22" of snow falls overnight... **
[20:58:13] J-e-f-f-A: FinnTux: Do you know Mysql at all ?
[20:58:29] [R]: J-e-f-f-A: that sucks
[20:58:34] [R]: J-e-f-f-A: snow is lame
[20:58:39] FinnTux: J-e-f-f-A, a bit but I don't see what that has got to do with this  :)
[21:03:34] J-e-f-f-A: FinnTux: If you were a mysql guru, you'd be able to 'reverse engineer' the mysql upgrade steps... But that would basically 'void your warranty" ;-) (IE:
[21:04:09] FinnTux: J-e-f-f-A, ah right. I already checked recorded table and there are little differences
[21:04:30] sphery: much better would be to use mythlink.pl to create a directory of links to existing recordings, then use that directory of links to move the new-since-the-upgrade recordings (with the link-provided names) to a MythVideo directory
[21:04:40] sphery: then just downgrade mythtv and restore the pre-upgrade backup
[21:05:03] sphery: the problem with reversing db changes is that you actually lose information in some of them
[21:05:12] J-e-f-f-A: FinnTux: Yeah, sphery has a good point, and it had crossed my mind, but I couldn't think how to 'vocalize' it. ;-)
[21:05:15] sphery: so it's not really possible
[21:06:00] FinnTux: yea, makes sense
[21:06:02] ** J-e-f-f-A heads outside to make sure the snowblower is still running fine. ;-) **
[21:06:05] sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl and include the recording starttime in the link format, then use that to move the new ones to mythvideo
[21:06:12] sphery: J-e-f-f-A: good luck with snow
[21:06:28] sphery: it's cold here, too--47F now (which is crazy cold for FL
[21:06:34] FinnTux: J-e-f-f-A, good luck. we have had our share of snow...
[21:06:58] FinnTux: we had about -30C for few days
[21:07:24] highzeth: beat us, we only had -24C at most, a refreshing -10C now =)
[21:07:41] [R]: its more freezing here
[21:07:43] [R]: its only 64
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[21:08:07] FinnTux: yea it is warmer here now too
[21:09:03] highzeth: Won't last tho apparently got another cold wave on it's way
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[21:09:21] FinnTux: highzeth, where are you from?
[21:09:28] highzeth: Just south of Trondheim
[21:09:51] highzeth: where in .fi you at?
[21:09:56] FinnTux: right. I'm pretty much in the middle of finland
[21:10:21] highzeth: ok
[21:10:27] sphery: explains the nick :)
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[21:10:35] FinnTux: heh
[21:11:06] FinnTux: but regarding my problem. how about sorting out the actual problem? I'm willing to help
[21:11:30] sphery: fixing your 0.24-fixes configuration is a better approach than down grading
[21:11:40] sphery: unfortunately, figuring out the problem is a huge challenge
[21:12:44] sphery: I don't use Live TV at all--even useless for sports, news, etc., IMHO, as http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/387302#387302 --so I don't think I could help much.
[21:12:49] FinnTux: yea. like I said the problem must be somewhere in the buffer file creation
[21:12:55] sphery: Usually, the problems come down to network/socket issues, though
[21:13:08] sphery: and those are problems that haven't been fixed
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[21:13:18] FinnTux: to bad it is not only live tv. recordings fail sometimes too
[21:13:20] sphery: so those who get them are unlucky and those who don't are lucky
[21:15:12] sphery: FinnTux: If that's the case, then it's possibly a problem with your Input Connections configuration. I'd recommend trying both the video sources and capture cards portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 (being sure to use "Delete all ..." or you're just wasting time). Doing that is always a good idea after a distro reinstall, too, and often a good idea for non-trivial distro upgrades.
[21:16:16] sphery: back up your database before making any major changes, like that, though-- http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore
[21:16:50] FinnTux: sphery, been there done that. that crossed my mind and I already re-created everything
[21:17:15] antgel: i might be OT, so sue me... am wondering, for BBC transmissions (non-HD), is sound broadcast in pro logic? i.e. should my amp be set to pro logic?
[21:17:38] ** kormoc sues antgel **
[21:17:45] ** antgel defends **
[21:18:19] kormoc: wouldn't you be able to check the recording and see if it's in prologic or not?
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[21:19:28] highzeth: FinnTux: and you have tried to increase tuning timeouts on the adapters?
[21:20:02] FinnTux: highzeth, yes. 10 sec now
[21:20:27] antgel: kormoc: er, i don't think the bbc announce that information, but i could be wrong
[21:20:29] FinnTux: usually live tv starts ok if I just start it again several times
[21:20:47] kormoc: antifoo, it'd be in the recorded file if it's usable, no?
[21:21:01] antgel: more generally, is it a Bad Idea to set pro logic mode for all non DD broadcasts?
[21:21:32] highzeth: I havent used live tv in many moons, so can't speak for that. Are the dvb-t channels all FTA?
[21:22:17] FinnTux: highzeth, no but they are multicasted unencrypted though
[21:23:13] FinnTux: highzeth, same happens on FTA channels too
[21:23:34] highzeth: fishy
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[21:49:58] FinnTux: highzeth, fishy?
[21:55:45] highzeth: pariton?
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[21:57:28] FinnTux: highzeth, ?
[21:57:35] FinnTux: highzeth, you lost me
[21:57:50] highzeth: fishy=odd/strange behavior
[21:57:56] FinnTux: ah right
[21:58:07] highzeth: I was trying a finnish word, but obviously failed ;-)
[21:58:18] highzeth: outo?
[21:58:31] FinnTux: I wonder if mythtv/libs/libmythtv/iptvrecorder.cpp is where the error happens..
[21:58:37] FinnTux: yea, outo is correct
[21:58:39] highzeth: sorry, havent spoken or written it in years
[21:58:52] highzeth: ok
[21:58:59] FinnTux: pariton = odd (not even)
[21:59:17] highzeth: right, thanks =)
[22:00:04] FinnTux: np :)
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[22:39:28] sphery: wagnerrp: think we really need http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Subversion page, anymore?
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[22:42:10] antgel: sphery++ # wiki changes :)
[22:42:23] sphery: heh, I just can't stop
[22:42:47] sphery: and I'm fixing very minor stuff that's just annoying
[22:43:11] antgel: sphery: no, it's great, i did some work on the wiki when i last had a chance (about a year ago)
[22:43:38] sphery: yeah, something that needs to be done... it's just hard to stop
[22:44:20] antgel: in fact i haven't been involved with myth for a year, but just came back to .uk, and am fixing ^W^W^Wupgrading my parents' setup 0.22->0.24
[22:44:29] antgel: with the various hardware issues, it's been a real fun time :(
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[22:47:45] sphery: heh, yeah, that's always fun
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[22:57:52] sphery: Beirdo: any suggestions on how to do the wiki pages that tell users how to make patches?
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[22:59:37] Beirdo: not offhand. The two main ways are to use git format-patch or to use a pull request
[22:59:57] sphery: both need to be done after git commit'ing to the local repo, right?
[23:00:06] Beirdo: yes
[23:00:11] sphery: hmmm
[23:00:27] sphery: we have a million pages that tell you how to do svn diff and stuff
[23:00:37] sphery: maybe they should all just link to http://code.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/UsingGit
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[23:01:05] sphery: (and, of course, we'd need to add some info on doing format-patch and/or pull there)
[23:01:25] wagnerrp: wow, youve been busy
[23:01:40] Beirdo: busy?
[23:01:44] wagnerrp: the wiki
[23:01:50] sphery: heh, yeah
[23:01:54] sphery: got a few ready for deletions for you
[23:02:02] sphery: and I'd love to delete http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Subversion
[23:02:32] sphery: funny thing is even though it looks like a lot of changes, it was all tiny/unimportant changes
[23:02:46] wagnerrp: delete, or redirect to 'git'?
[23:03:13] sphery: I'd like delete
[23:03:15] Beirdo: redirect to a tombstone
[23:03:22] sphery: but I wouldn't fault anyone else for doing redirect
[23:03:36] sphery: either way solves the immediate problem--that the page is not relevant, anymore
[23:04:03] sphery: been trying to change all the places in the wiki that use "SVN" as a version to say "unstable/development version" instead
[23:04:38] wagnerrp: i thought mediawiki could handle double redirects
[23:04:46] wagnerrp: it just complains that you shouldnt be doing so
[23:05:29] sphery: well, when I clicked What's New in user manual, it sent me to the no-redirect page for Release Notes, so it didn't go to the Release Notes – 0.24 page
[23:05:38] sphery: guess, maybe that's a triple redirect?
[23:05:40] Beirdo: redirect it to "just_do_it_stupid"
[23:05:41] Beirdo: hehe
[23:05:51] sphery: from What's New to Release Notes to Release Notes – 0.24
[23:06:34] sphery: but linking directly to a version-specific Release Notes page is why our user manual pointed to all sorts of release notes versions from 0.20.2 to 0.21 to 0.23 and 0.23.1
[23:06:37] sphery: was a huge mess
[23:07:10] sphery: if we need to change it, we can
[23:07:17] sphery: just not a very maintainable config
[23:07:18] sphery: :)
[23:07:22] wagnerrp: anything better than 'Unstable/Development' for the unofficial 'plugins' page?
[23:07:43] wagnerrp: just looks unnecessarily large
[23:08:04] sphery: feel free to change
[23:08:19] wagnerrp: dont know what to change to
[23:08:28] sphery: just shouldn't be trunk/master/any-other-tool-specific-jargon
[23:08:39] sphery: could just make it "unstable" or "development"
[23:09:00] sphery: I've used one or the other alone in some places
[23:09:28] wagnerrp: sphery: we could do an external redirect for MythWeb readme
[23:09:40] wagnerrp: or simply change those pages to link to the page on github
[23:10:08] wagnerrp: i guess that requires admin rights to do so doesnt it...
[23:11:03] sphery: no one uses it, though
[23:11:05] sphery: I say delete it
[23:11:17] sphery: and just edit that one page so it links directly to github
[23:11:24] Beirdo: wonder if I shoud go watch Little Fockers.
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[23:18:19] wagnerrp: malaysian football fans assist team by blinding opposing players with laser pens...
[23:18:37] wagnerrp: huh, over hear, our football fans just throw snowballs and beer bottles
[23:18:43] wagnerrp: here
[23:19:16] sphery: woah... that's just plain wrong
[23:20:04] wagnerrp: yeah, indonesia complained about it this time, vietnam has complained in the past
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[23:25:31] ** sphery wonders what http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Building_Plugins:MythNotes , http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Building_Plugins:MythNotes00 through http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Building_Plugins:MythNotes05 are all about **
[23:26:05] wagnerrp: someone's long plugin howto
[23:26:12] sphery: yeah, guess so
[23:26:25] sphery: new, too
[23:26:49] sphery: still using SVN, though
[23:26:56] sphery: even though it's Nov/Dec 2010
[23:27:20] Beirdo: people are stoopid
[23:27:32] sphery: or at least out of date
[23:27:55] sphery: probably wrote up most of it before we switched (or as we switched)?
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[23:33:56] elmojo: anyone know how to prevent mythtv-backen/ from starting until all my /dev/dvbapapters* are present
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[23:46:25] sphery: a hack would be to edit the start script to check for the appropriate ones before continuing
[23:46:54] sphery: I have a simlilar hack that checks for the mysql database before starting master backend and that checks for master backend before starting remote backends
[23:49:43] wagnerrp: sphery: that page is not protected
[23:50:07] wagnerrp: nor are any that link to it
[23:50:13] sphery: elmojo: FWIW, here's my DB check hack. It checks, and if it's not ready, sleeps for 1s, then checks, then sleeps for 2s, then checks, ... up to 60s sleep. http://mythtv.pastebin.com/pFHVAjit
[23:50:35] sphery: wagnerrp: ok, I guess I don't know how to rename a page, then
[23:50:45] sphery: but it's linked by several http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksH . . . pmbuild.spec
[23:50:49] wagnerrp: there is a 'move' tab at the top of the page
[23:51:04] sphery: assuming "that page" means http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythtv-svn-rpmbuild.spec
[23:51:05] wagnerrp: none of the pages linking to it are protected
[23:51:19] sphery: oh, move...
[23:51:20] sphery: makes sense
[23:51:58] sphery: wagnerrp: thanks for teaching me
[23:52:50] elmojo: spery: thanks... looks like mythbuntu made a very simple change to /etc/init/mythtv-backend to wait for udev to finish
[23:53:08] sphery: nice
[23:53:13] sphery: much less hacky, too
[23:53:51] ** wagnerrp wonders why Baylink linked to 'Backing up your database', but never actually wrote it **
[23:54:13] sphery: may have been an old page that's since been removed?
[23:54:23] sphery: or a copy/paste mistake?
[23:54:42] wagnerrp: no, old pages are never deleted
[23:54:47] wagnerrp: they are just marked as deleted
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[23:55:03] wagnerrp: users see a notification that they have been deleted in the past
[23:55:10] wagnerrp: ops can actually view and recover deleted pages
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