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[00:04:38] | Shadow__X: | keep up the great work guys |
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[00:09:59] | lautriv: | heyda :-) my master-backup won't show encoders from a slave but shows additional channels which i scanned there......where can i dig ? |
[00:10:23] | antgel: | hmm. sorted it out, it was the ondemand governor settings. i wonder if there's a good way i can set up frequency scaling without resorting to using performance govenor |
[00:10:34] | wagnerrp: | did you restart your master backend after configuring the slave? |
[00:10:50] | wagnerrp: | antgel: onboard video? |
[00:11:16] | lautriv: | wagnerrp, yes, several times, also purged anything from slave and begun from scratch...... |
[00:11:24] | antgel: | wagnerrp: hey, yes, geforce 8300 / vdpau slim |
[00:11:38] | wagnerrp: | older AMD chip? |
[00:11:55] | wagnerrp: | there was a problem with older AMD chips that as they themselves would downclock, so would the memory bus |
[00:12:11] | wagnerrp: | such that the nvidia graphics chip would end up starved for memory |
[00:12:20] | antgel: | wagnerrp: ah. AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ |
[00:12:42] | wagnerrp: | you can use System Events to set up a pre-roll on such systems that will disable the processor scaling during the duration of playback |
[00:13:10] | antgel: | wagnerrp: thanks for the insight, will look into it :) |
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[00:39:36] | antgel: | wagnerrp: my system event script needs root permissions – how can i achieve what i need from the mythtv system event? |
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[00:41:06] | antgel: | i don't really fancy making it suid root |
[00:41:56] | sphery: | have the system event script call another script with sudo |
[00:42:21] | JEDIDIAH__: | grant sudo access to the relevant commands you need to run from the script. |
[00:42:56] | antgel: | JEDIDIAH__: command is echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
[00:42:57] | lautriv: | wagnerrp, got it half-way fixed (mysql needed a bit long) now status tells me encoders from slave but "not connected" ? |
[00:43:29] | JEDIDIAH__: | I wonder if you can chmod that file... |
[00:43:38] | sphery: | antgel: http://notfaq.wordpress.com/2007/09/26/unixli . . . put-as-sudo/ |
[00:43:54] | sphery: | my preference is "or as one reader suggested" |
[00:45:30] | JEDIDIAH__: | you can make that file work writable. |
[00:45:57] | sphery: | I don't see why you wouldn't use sudo in the script |
[00:46:38] | JEDIDIAH__: | dunno how sudo of the echo would help the redirect. |
[00:46:54] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: http://notfaq.wordpress.com/2007/09/26/unixli . . . put-as-sudo/ |
[00:47:07] | sphery: | you sudo tee |
[00:47:10] | sphery: | don't redirect |
[00:49:13] | JEDIDIAH__: | in a script you would need to grant sudo access to tee without a password. |
[00:51:59] | antgel: | got it |
[00:52:09] | antgel: | %mythtv ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/local/sbin/ondemand |
[00:52:09] | antgel: | %mythtv ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/local/sbin/performance |
[00:52:14] | antgel: | thanks for the sudo hint |
[00:52:37] | sphery: | enjoy |
[00:56:03] | Beirdo: | now send him the bill :) |
[00:56:19] | sphery: | heh |
[00:59:31] | wagnerrp: | consultancy fee is $100/hr, half hour minimum |
[01:00:29] | wagnerrp: | didnt one of those ohloh-like sites estimate mythtv at $10M of worth from the committed lines? |
[01:00:38] | Beirdo: | and $20 for each google query you coulda done yourselves |
[01:01:05] | Beirdo: | yup, but to be fair, a lot of that is ffmpeg lines |
[01:01:29] | wagnerrp: | true |
[01:01:31] | clever: | JEDIDIAH__: unlocking tee without a password is extremely unsafe |
[01:01:43] | clever: | echo newpassword | sudo tee /etc/shadow, su - |
[01:01:53] | wagnerrp: | and every time its resynced, its all those lines all over again |
[01:01:58] | clever: | you might aswell just allow * thru sudo :P |
[01:02:13] | Beirdo: | clever, that line wouldn't work anyways |
[01:02:28] | clever: | Beirdo: just an example, you would need a proper passwd line |
[01:03:36] | Beirdo: | !trout clever |
[01:03:36] | ** MythLogBot slaps clever with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
[01:04:04] | Beirdo: | oh, and BTW, bah humbug to all :) |
[01:04:15] | clever: | :D |
[01:05:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: $35M – https://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv |
[01:06:01] | sphery: | seems about right to me--based on the millions I've gotten in salary and bonuses from MythTV Corp. |
[01:06:24] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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[01:07:35] | sphery: | Oh, and having previously discussed sudo, need I remind anyone to be extremely careful (especially this time of year): http://xkcd.com/838/ |
[01:08:06] | JEDIDIAH__: | Sure C. My first suggestion was to just open up the relevant file. |
[01:10:06] | JEDIDIAH__: | This MythTV Corp doesn't pay their programmers very well... even based on that webpage. '-) |
[01:10:38] | sphery: | if you grant sudo access, it should include specifying access to the relevant tee destination, too... but using named scripts also works well |
[01:12:25] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: they give us low salaries but high bonuses, dividends, and distributions... adds a lot of options come tax time :) |
[01:12:41] | JEDIDIAH__: | you forgot about the stock options. |
[01:12:53] | sphery: | oh, yeah, and those |
[01:13:27] | sphery: | Beirdo and his accountant were able to save enough on taxes to buy his 200' yacht, the 1R5 |
[01:13:46] | Beirdo: | hheheh |
[01:14:53] | sphery: | he said the IRS would never get his money--instead, it went to the 1R5 |
[01:15:46] | Beirdo: | if I had a 200' yacht, I'd so be Aruba right now |
[01:15:47] | JEDIDIAH__: | that's 200mm yacht. -;) |
[01:16:38] | wagnerrp: | no need to be greedy |
[01:16:42] | sphery: | I just hope when Beirdo and Larry E are preparing for the America's Cup race, it doesn't keep him from getting MythTV stuff done |
[01:16:44] | wagnerrp: | 200' would be plenty nice |
[01:17:26] | Beirdo: | it would, yeah |
[01:21:02] | wagnerrp: | man... i just cant help myself from telling people to buy new hardware |
[01:21:23] | wagnerrp: | just told someone to buy a new video card to use with a 1080p monitor, in lieu of onboard nvidia 6100 |
[01:21:32] | Beirdo: | hehe |
[01:21:36] | wagnerrp: | the 6100 was VGA only |
[01:23:58] | ** wagnerrp gets back to splitting out the backend server ** | |
[01:25:20] | wagnerrp: | there is a lot of crap tied in through MythServer 'just because' |
[01:25:45] | wagnerrp: | i suppose its to provide access without requiring a global, or stuffing it into gCoreContext |
[01:26:17] | JEDIDIAH__: | well, a 1080p TV would be a different matter (than a 1080p monitor). |
[01:27:07] | wagnerrp: | 1080p anything, a low end 6-series card cant manage that digitally, even if the 6100 had DVI support |
[01:27:33] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if those cards supported 16:9 aspect ratios over VGA anyway |
[01:27:52] | wagnerrp: | or if the monitor supports it for that matter |
[01:28:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | the 7's could though. |
[01:28:21] | wagnerrp: | some 7s could |
[01:28:30] | wagnerrp: | the 7300s i believe were only 1600x1200 |
[01:28:52] | wagnerrp: | most 6-series cards were capped at 1600x1200 |
[01:29:02] | wagnerrp: | some maybe lower |
[01:33:31] | JEDIDIAH__: | It sounds like he can just use what he has, let the 6100 run at whatever resolution it can handle and just leave things be. |
[01:36:16] | sphery: | VGA worked fine on the older cards--I did 1920x1080@60Hz on my GF4MX440 (but GL performance and memory bandwidth made it less than ideal). But I agree you really didn't have useful digital at high res/refresh until HDMI 1.3. |
[01:36:57] | wagnerrp: | im not talking about HDMI anything |
[01:37:14] | wagnerrp: | im just saying the TMDS transmitters on those older cards were cheap and underperforming |
[01:37:20] | sphery: | right |
[01:37:39] | wagnerrp: | they didnt have the throughput for high resolution displays |
[01:37:56] | sphery: | and coupled with the bandwidth limitations of DVI (inherited, also, by HDMI), means that even those that claimed they could do well didn't |
[01:38:00] | wagnerrp: | it wasnt until the 8-series before 1920x1200 was supported across the line |
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[02:08:49] | lyricnz: | so, is post-recording transcoding transparent these days? last time I tried it, it just segfaulted all the time |
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[02:13:26] | wagnerrp: | its supposed to be, yes |
[02:13:41] | wagnerrp: | not that you would want to use the internal transcoder for 'real transcoding' |
[02:14:41] | lyricnz: | no/ |
[02:14:42] | lyricnz: | ? |
[02:15:08] | lyricnz: | I don't want to keep it especially, just save lots of disk |
[02:15:08] | wagnerrp: | mythtranscode is fine if you want to clip commercials |
[02:15:09] | lyricnz: | raw mpeg1 is huge |
[02:15:17] | wagnerrp: | mythtv never records to mpeg1 |
[02:15:42] | wagnerrp: | if you actually want to transcode, mythtranscode doesnt support any worthwhile formats |
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[02:16:07] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: i didnt notice that it was only for standard definition content |
[02:16:10] | lyricnz: | sure it does, dvb just writes whatever comes off the air, right? |
[02:16:45] | wagnerrp: | yes, but digital broadcasts are mpeg2 transport streams, containing mpeg2 or mpeg4avc video |
[02:16:49] | wagnerrp: | never mpeg1 |
[02:17:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | suspected as much. that's why I stated my response the way I did. |
[02:17:47] | lyricnz: | okay, it's mpeg2, but it's still *huge*, especially HD |
[02:18:07] | wagnerrp: | if youre concerned about space, clip commercials, and then use something that can transcode to h264 (mpeg4avc) |
[02:18:14] | wagnerrp: | assuming your recordings arent already using it |
[02:18:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | lyricnz: define 'huge'? USA OTA is MPEG2, and a 1 hr show is 6 or 7 GB — that's not bad imo... |
[02:18:49] | lyricnz: | can't clip commercials automatically with any reliability. I'm not talking archiving, just keeping more recordings for a while |
[02:18:59] | wagnerrp: | mythtranscode can only do rtjpeg (which is far worse than mpeg2) or mpeg4asp (which is only moderately better than mpeg2, and bad for HD content) |
[02:19:14] | lyricnz: | J-e-f-f-A: I've got a dozen recordings over 10GB each – eats up the storage quite quick |
[02:19:29] | lyricnz: | myth can use external transcoder? |
[02:19:30] | wagnerrp: | lyricnz: get more storage? hard drives are cheap |
[02:19:32] | JEDIDIAH__: | 7G for an hour long SD show is too much. |
[02:19:42] | lyricnz: | yeah, I'm a bit space limited in the case. |
[02:19:51] | lyricnz: | and it's boxing day :) |
[02:19:54] | wagnerrp: | 7GB/hr is large for an HD recording, SD over here is usually ~1GB/hr |
[02:19:56] | JEDIDIAH__: | HD gets really big (like the guy said) |
[02:20:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | lyricnz: Hehehe... ;-) My system has 5TB of storage — and many on this channel have LOTS more than me... ;-) |
[02:20:20] | lyricnz: | Yeah, I used to have what was called lots, but haven't added much recently. |
[02:20:24] | lyricnz: | I've got ~3TB |
[02:20:28] | JEDIDIAH__: | some OTA stations do really poorly "encoding" their old re-runs. Wastes a lot of space/bandwidth that way. |
[02:20:44] | ** JEDIDIAH__ doesn't use most of his storage for recordings. ** | |
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[02:21:45] | lyricnz: | I just added my root FS, which had 100GB free, to the storage groups, just to fend off failure for a bit more |
[02:22:09] | wagnerrp: | lyricnz: if youve got the power, and dont want the hard drives, use h264 |
[02:22:34] | wagnerrp: | but at $0.05/GB these days, usually easier just to buy the hard drives |
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[02:23:04] | lyricnz: | disk isn't that cheap down here, but still, I know. |
[02:23:28] | lyricnz: | the backend isn't super-fast – it's AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ |
[02:23:38] | wagnerrp: | generally places that dont have cheap disks also dont have cheap power |
[02:23:44] | wagnerrp: | and transcoding is very intensive |
[02:24:06] | wagnerrp: | expect that processor to manage ~5fps on HD content |
[02:24:21] | lyricnz: | crap, forget it |
[02:24:44] | lyricnz: | my frontend is way faster, but nothing crazy – Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E7300 @ 2.66GHz |
[02:26:54] | wagnerrp: | the core2 would probably be about 50% faster |
[02:27:37] | lyricnz: | only 50%? seems way faster interactively, and bogomips is about 2.5x more. |
[02:27:57] | lyricnz: | X2 is backend because it's noisy, and the core2 is quieter. |
[02:28:23] | wagnerrp: | an older 2GHz AMD64 X2 vs. a 2.66GHz Core2? |
[02:28:38] | wagnerrp: | the core2 will be considerably faster clock-for-clock |
[02:28:51] | wagnerrp: | but not 2.5x as fast |
[02:29:19] | wagnerrp: | memory will be 2.5x as fast, but not processing |
[02:29:56] | wagnerrp: | whatever measurement the kernel bogomips calc uses seems to be extremely artificial |
[02:30:02] | lyricnz: | Oh totally |
[02:30:20] | lyricnz: | 2TB disk is ~$99 here from cheap place. Wondering if it's worth the hassle of swapping out 1tb for 2. I presume external USB drive isn't fast enough? |
[02:30:32] | wagnerrp: | sure it is |
[02:30:48] | wagnerrp: | its just a bit clumsy to have a bunch of external boxes for storage |
[02:30:52] | wagnerrp: | no more ports free? |
[02:31:14] | ** NightMonkey trips over his external USB hard drives. ** | |
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[02:32:05] | lyricnz: | I've got four 500–1000GB usb drives on my desk doing nothing, full of crap. |
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[02:32:28] | lyricnz: | the backend lives in the garage, nobody goes near it |
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[03:00:29] | JEDIDIAH__: | you can get an external JBOD chassis that runs off of esata. Some even come with their own esata cards. |
[03:00:29] | sphery: | I vote for watch + delete + enough HDDs to get you through |
[03:02:29] | wagnerrp: | can i use '<<' on the same line i initialize a variable? |
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[03:11:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: when it's appropriate for the type--like for sticking things in a QStringList |
[03:12:57] | wagnerrp: | yeah, like 'QStringList var << "a" << "b" << "c"; |
[03:18:28] | sphery: | would be QStringList var = QStringList() << "a" << "b" << "c"; |
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[03:47:39] | Hilikus: | hey guys |
[03:47:58] | Hilikus: | in my phone i see "remote" in mythweb, but nothing happens when i click it |
[03:48:08] | Hilikus: | do i need to enable it or its just not implemented yet? |
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[03:49:52] | Perdignus: | Hilikus: you'll need to change your backend to listen on the local ip (eg 192.168.x.x) rather than 127.0.0.1 |
[03:50:20] | Perdignus: | Hilikus: then you'll need to permit user@your.phone 's.ip.x to use mythconverg via mysql |
[03:50:51] | Perdignus: | then tell the "remote" program to connect to your myth system on its IP addy |
[03:51:15] | miststlkr: | one of my frontends [.23] is asking me to "Select a CD Drive" when it first loads, but not the other frontend. Can someone suggest why it might be asking that and how to stop it? |
[03:51:20] | wagnerrp: | Perdignus: not sure what youre talking about |
[03:51:31] | Perdignus: | wagnerrp: noobie :P |
[03:51:49] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: the 'remote' utility in mythweb is for interfacing with the frontend remote control socket |
[03:52:22] | wagnerrp: | when you open that, mythweb will attempt to connect to any frontend for which you have listed a control socket port in the database, and specified that you want it enabled |
[03:52:24] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: any doc on how to configure it? |
[03:52:35] | Perdignus: | oh yeah, I missed "in mythweb" so scratch all of that entirely, I thought you meant like an iPhode/iPod mythtv remote |
[03:52:40] | wagnerrp: | it will then provide a list of which frontends were accessible (and thus can be controlled) |
[03:52:55] | wagnerrp: | its in the frontend options somewhere, dont recall thwere |
[03:53:03] | wagnerrp: | probably in General somewhere |
[03:53:13] | Hilikus: | yes, i imagined it was related to the fact that when i go to i recording and choose "play in frontend" nothing appears |
[03:53:31] | wagnerrp: | miststlkr: sounds like mythmusic wanting you to set up the mediamonitor (the bits that automatically start playback when you insert a CD) |
[03:54:12] | miststlkr: | wagnerrp: thanks, I'll have a look |
[03:56:40] | miststlkr: | wagnerrp: disabling myhtmusic did the trick, but now [related or not, not sure] I get the background loaded then the frontend crashes out. last line of frontend log says "QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread" |
[03:57:11] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: i enabled it in the frontend but still nothing. what else do i need to change? |
[03:57:33] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: you probably need to restart the frontend |
[03:57:48] | Hilikus: | oh ok |
[03:58:15] | wagnerrp: | miststlkr: run with '-v all' |
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[04:03:04] | miststlkr: | wagnerrp: it is looking for a filesystem that isn't mounted; I switched my fstab over to using UUIDs a little while back, perhaps I haven't run myth on this system since, but I'm guessing that is the issue. I'll run with that idea unless you have a suggestion. Thanks! |
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[04:05:57] | sphery: | miststlkr: what version and revision of mythtv... that sounds like the mythbuntu 10.04 pre-release version of MythTV 0.23 |
[04:06:25] | sphery: | and if so, you need to update to either current 0.23-fixes or 0.24-fixes |
[04:06:52] | miststlkr: | sphery: mythfrontend version: branches/release-0-23-fixes [24158] |
[04:06:52] | MythLogBot: | SVN 24158: (branch fixes/0.23) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/67b5afcf |
[04:07:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah, you need to update |
[04:07:06] | sphery: | does this mean rkulagow is getting registered? :) Hello, Robert. |
[04:07:14] | miststlkr: | sphery: not ready for a .24 move yet |
[04:07:19] | rkulagow: | hey |
[04:07:25] | rkulagow: | yes, getting registered |
[04:07:27] | sphery: | then update to current 0.23-fixes, at least |
[04:07:28] | wagnerrp: | miststlkr: no, you need to update to 0.23 |
[04:07:29] | rkulagow: | been a while |
[04:07:38] | wagnerrp: | miststlkr: you are currently running a pre-release |
[04:07:46] | rkulagow: | IIRC, you used to get a "it's been XXX days since you last connected". |
[04:08:02] | sphery: | miststlkr: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
[04:08:02] | rkulagow: | probably would have done that, but overflowed a long long |
[04:08:03] | miststlkr: | wagnerrp: ah.. it's what synaptic has as current. |
[04:08:24] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: ok, now when i click on a recording and select "watch on frontend" i do see my frontend and it works perfectly, but the "remote" link still doesn't do anything |
[04:08:52] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: not sure why one would work but not the other |
[04:08:58] | sphery: | rkulagow: heh, well it's nice to see you here--even if it's just a brief visit :) |
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[04:09:48] | miststlkr: | sphery: the link is for mythbuntu, which my other system does run, but this one has myth on a base ubuntu install, that link still valid? |
[04:10:10] | sphery: | miststlkr: yes, it is... just make sure you select the 0.23-fixes one |
[04:10:41] | sphery: | i.e. don't go to 0.24-fixes if you're not ready for an upgrade--and definitely don't go to unstable/development |
[04:11:23] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: when was this implemented? i'm using 0.23 |
[04:11:39] | wagnerrp: | when was what implemented? |
[04:11:42] | Hilikus: | this is the remote link |
[04:11:43] | Hilikus: | http://mazinger/mythweb/# |
[04:11:48] | sphery: | should work in 0.23-fixes |
[04:12:01] | sphery: | Hilikus: you do need to enable frontend network control, though |
[04:12:07] | wagnerrp: | all of mythtv only works with the same version of itself |
[04:12:07] | sphery: | and have your frontends running |
[04:12:20] | wagnerrp: | a new version of mythweb will not work with an old version of mythtv |
[04:12:35] | wagnerrp: | so if a feature exists in your current version of mythweb, it is supported in your current version of mythtv |
[04:12:42] | miststlkr: | sphery: .23 or .23.1? |
[04:12:42] | Hilikus: | sphery: i enabled it. now if i go to a recording and select "watch in frontend" it shows the list and starts playing fine, but the remote link still doesn't do anything |
[04:12:51] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: i see |
[04:13:20] | sphery: | miststlkr: if you're running *buntu on all your systems, go to 0.23.1's -fixes |
[04:13:54] | sphery: | if you have other non-Ubuntu distros, you may not be able to update that far--check the availability of updated packages on the other distro |
[04:14:59] | miststlkr: | my backend says it is also running branches/release-0-23-fixes [24158] and hasn't had any issues |
[04:14:59] | MythLogBot: | SVN 24158: (branch fixes/0.23) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/67b5afcf |
[04:15:41] | miststlkr: | sphery: that one is on mythbuntu 10.04 |
[04:16:22] | sphery: | update all of them to 0.23.1's fixes |
[04:16:46] | sphery: | it's not a major upgrade, but there's a small change in how they communicate, so all systems will need updating |
[04:17:01] | sphery: | and you really don't want to run the buggy, pre-release version you have :) |
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[04:19:28] | wagnerrp: | sphery: how would i have a list of generic objects? |
[04:19:32] | wagnerrp: | a void pointer? |
[04:20:06] | wagnerrp: | trying to figure out how i would store registered handlers |
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[04:20:58] | sphery: | I recommend asking Capt M. I'm not sure my idea of the right way is MythTV's idea. |
[04:22:20] | wagnerrp: | i mean a pointer is just a point to memory, but if it is to be used, it has to cast to some type |
[04:22:33] | Hilikus: | are you guys also the mythdroid developers? |
[04:22:34] | wagnerrp: | would i need to have a generic 'Handler' class, that everything would subclass off of? |
[04:22:49] | wagnerrp: | no, the mythdroid developer helps with the audio stuff |
[04:22:49] | sphery: | If it were me, I'd use a class type with implementations providing the handler |
[04:22:56] | wagnerrp: | but he is not an official developer |
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[04:23:17] | Hilikus: | any idea why it would require "receive SMS" permission? |
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[04:23:21] | sphery: | then you wouldn't need dangerous raw pointers :) |
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[04:24:22] | wagnerrp: | i should probably take a look at how plugins are registered in the frontend |
[04:24:45] | sphery: | yeah, that would be the best approach--would fit well with the other code |
[04:25:07] | sphery: | I have a feeling it's some variation of the class/subclass or "interface"/implementation approach |
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[04:28:15] | miststlkr: | sphery: that seems to be in the right direction, updating the backend system now but when I run the frontend on this system I get a message that the network communcation protocol has changed.. which sounds appropriate from what you said. |
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[04:28:43] | sphery: | yeah, once you update the frontend system, it should work fine |
[04:29:43] | miststlkr: | is there a date for .25 yet? |
[04:29:50] | wagnerrp: | sorta |
[04:30:08] | wagnerrp: | supposed to be may |
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[04:30:16] | wagnerrp: | but that depends on the progress of the setup rewrite |
[04:30:31] | miststlkr: | wagnerrp: got it. thanks. |
[04:31:40] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, seems ill need a base class to use as the type |
[04:31:57] | wagnerrp: | and all polymorphism should happen automatically from there |
[04:32:24] | sphery: | yeah, much safer than trying to do that without language support :) |
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[05:07:05] | miststlkr: | is there a way to exclude a subdirectory from a mythvideo database scan? |
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[05:19:34] | sphery: | miststlkr: move it somewhere else? :) |
[05:19:57] | miststlkr: | sphery: didn't hurt to ask. |
[05:20:10] | sphery: | you can exclude unknown file types or tell it to ignore file types (based on extension), but only way to exclude directories is to not have them in there |
[05:21:27] | sphery: | with multiple directories, if you were to put it at the same level as the ones you don't want to exclude, you could exclude it (i.e. /srv/mythtv/video1 /srv/mythtv/video2 /srv/mythtv/ignoreddirectory) |
[05:21:59] | sphery: | but it's probably just as easy to do /srv/mythtv/video and just move ignoreddirectory elsewhere |
[05:24:59] | miststlkr: | sphery: it wouldn't be a big deal to move them, but I'd rather not. No biggie. thanks |
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[05:34:15] | Hilikus: | mmm i just discovered mythmote. what you guys think about mythmote vs mythdroid? |
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[05:37:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hilikus: mythmote works 'out of the box', but doesn't offer streaming. mythdroid needs additional configuration, but offers streaming. (I have used mythmote, and have not completed mythdroid setup yet) |
[05:39:31] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: mythmote and mythdroid have completely different purposes |
[05:39:34] | wagnerrp: | you cant compare the two |
[05:39:49] | Hilikus: | really? i don't get that from the description |
[05:40:04] | wagnerrp: | mythmote is a remote control |
[05:40:11] | wagnerrp: | mythdroid is intended as an alternate frontend |
[05:40:18] | Hilikus: | mm i see |
[05:41:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I think mythdroid can also control your frontends too, like a remote, and provide additional status as to what the frontend is doing too... |
[05:41:27] | Hilikus: | yes |
[05:41:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hilikus: but wagnerrp is right – mytmote is purely a simple remote that uses the network interface. |
[05:42:13] | Hilikus: | that's what i'm looking for |
[05:42:20] | Hilikus: | i don't think i need the extra features |
[05:42:27] | Hilikus: | thanks guys |
[05:43:43] | Shadow__X: | J-e-f-f-A: hey, in the next day or two i am going to start doing my vlc testing to see if i can get vlc to stream to a device |
[05:44:49] | Shadow__X: | and since mythdroid is open source i can use that as a stepping stone |
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[05:49:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: Nice. ;-) |
[05:49:58] | ** J-e-f-f-A heads off to bed. ;-) ZZZZzzzzzz...... ** | |
[05:50:03] | Shadow__X: | good night |
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[05:55:18] | Hilikus: | ok, mythmote works fine, "watch in frontend" in mythweb works fine but still remote in mythweb doesn't work |
[05:55:27] | Hilikus: | any ideas why could it not work? |
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[06:22:57] | Jester: | hey guys.. I'm in the mist of building my raid5.. its been going since before 1pm EST does this seem like its taking a bit too long. I have (3) 2tb WDs |
[06:26:33] | wagnerrp: | for it to finish within 12 hours, that would mean youre running each drive at 50MB/s sustained |
[06:26:43] | sphery: | So, I /was/ watching a Kid's Christmas movie (The Polar Express) I recorded from our local ABC channel, and they interrupted the show with full screen weather for >40min and spend another 30+ at just over 1/4 size with scrollers on side and bottom |
[06:26:56] | sphery: | how many kids do you think enjoyed that? |
[06:27:10] | wagnerrp: | well the kids had to see their school closings |
[06:27:12] | Jester: | wagnerrp, we spoke about my raid situation earlier.. username: ubuntu_ i believe |
[06:27:13] | wagnerrp: | oh wait... |
[06:27:32] | sphery: | heh |
[06:27:48] | wagnerrp: | tornados or something? |
[06:27:57] | sphery: | yeah |
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[06:28:07] | sphery: | 2008, it seems |
[06:28:31] | sphery: | (took a while to get around to watching it--being as it's one that's only worth watching during a certain time of year) |
[06:28:39] | Jester: | should it be taking 12+hrs to build my raid? |
[06:28:48] | Jester: | raid5 w/ (3) 2tb |
[06:29:15] | wagnerrp: | Jester: as mentioned, a 2TB rebuild within 12 hours means a sustained 50MB/s on each drive, simultaneously |
[06:29:37] | wagnerrp: | my hardware controller takes around 15hrs to rebuild my 9x750GB RAID6 |
[06:29:55] | Jester: | i suppose that makes sense when you look at it logically lol |
[06:30:15] | wagnerrp: | you are simply manipulating a /lot/ of data |
[06:30:15] | Jester: | i was just worried something was going wrong.. new box and i'm doing it all via LiveCD |
[06:30:18] | wagnerrp: | these things take time |
[06:30:31] | Jester: | understood.. just wanted to verify |
[06:30:49] | Jester: | finish time looks to be 148min |
[06:31:18] | wagnerrp: | so total time around 15hrs, not at all unreasonable |
[06:31:27] | Jester: | now I just wonder how long it will be until i need to increase the storage space :-\ |
[06:31:30] | wagnerrp: | ive heard of people complaining about several day rebuilds before |
[06:31:39] | Jester: | holy crap lol |
[06:31:51] | wagnerrp: | that depends... how long until you start buying bluray and ripping them? |
[06:31:58] | Jester: | is it possible to add an HDD to a raid5 after its been built and used? |
[06:32:25] | wagnerrp: | yes, most RAID solutions allow you to expand the array onto an additional drive |
[06:32:30] | Jester: | yeah I have a feeling I'll be doing nothing be bluray from here on out |
[06:32:37] | wagnerrp: | and most filesystems allow expansion |
[06:32:47] | Jester: | i'm using ext4 |
[06:33:18] | Jester: | clearly I'm knew to the whole raid scene |
[06:33:42] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do you know if there is any existing utility in mythtv for a read/write mutex? |
[06:34:03] | wagnerrp: | something to allow multiple simultaneous read, but only one write |
[06:34:10] | wagnerrp: | i know ive seen one in the code somewhere |
[06:34:13] | wagnerrp: | but i dont remember where |
[06:34:14] | sphery: | think there are just several places using QMutex or QSemaphore or QMutexLocker or ... |
[06:34:53] | sphery: | no genericized code, though |
[06:36:01] | wagnerrp: | ah, QReadWriteLock |
[06:36:10] | wagnerrp: | that must have been what i saw earlier |
[06:36:22] | sphery: | ah, yeah, forgot that one |
[06:36:48] | Shadow__X: | Jester: what controller are you using |
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[06:37:31] | Jester: | soft |
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[06:37:36] | Jester: | mdadm |
[06:40:26] | Shadow__X: | oh ok. what would be the reason to do the build on a live cd? |
[06:41:14] | Jester: | Shadow__X, no space to install OS |
[06:41:54] | Jester: | i have a 1TB which is FULL .. transferring all of the data to my raid of 2tb's and then installing OSs on the 1TB drive |
[06:42:07] | Jester: | all are WD green series |
[06:42:13] | Shadow__X: | :( |
[06:42:26] | Jester: | lol why the :( |
[06:42:33] | Shadow__X: | i am not the biggest fan of the green drives but maybe i am just different |
[06:42:56] | Jester: | i was a little :-\ about them myself but my buddy has been using them w/o issue so... |
[06:42:59] | Shadow__X: | they are slow also, i have read reports of them frequently dropping out of windows software raid arrays |
[06:43:24] | Jester: | yeah.. we shall see i guess |
[06:43:27] | Shadow__X: | although i am unsure if thats windows/software fault or if its due to a delayed read write to fix errors on the drive |
[06:43:33] | wagnerrp: | yes, the greens are generally bad for RAID because of the rapid spindown |
[06:43:44] | wagnerrp: | they spin down after 8 seconds of idle |
[06:43:54] | Shadow__X: | yeah i am just commenting on what i have read. i am not sure how reliable the info has been |
[06:43:59] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: oh, is that the issue? |
[06:44:12] | wagnerrp: | there is a DOS utility that will let you increase that up to 30 minutes |
[06:44:22] | Jester: | hmm |
[06:44:27] | Shadow__X: | because i have been using wd blacks in raid arrays without an issue. I always hear chatter about the need for tler |
[06:44:52] | Jester: | so is there anything i should be looking into for my linux raid5? |
[06:44:53] | wagnerrp: | no |
[06:45:11] | wagnerrp: | TLER means that the drive will stop trying to recover a failed bit sooner |
[06:45:25] | wagnerrp: | so the RAID array can enact its own recovery mechanism |
[06:45:41] | wagnerrp: | the RE drives return much sooner, which results in increased responsiveness |
[06:46:02] | wagnerrp: | the standard consumer drives will try for much longer, meaning your RAID array stalls while waiting on that one drive |
[06:46:07] | Jester: | hmm.. i think i about half understand that lol |
[06:46:19] | wagnerrp: | hard drives are heavily redundant |
[06:46:38] | wagnerrp: | that 2TB drive probably has capacity for closer to 2.5TB of storage |
[06:46:49] | Shadow__X: | which would make some arrays mark the drive as need to be resynced and then the array rebuilds due to the dropped drive? |
[06:46:52] | wagnerrp: | when you include ECC data and dummy sectors |
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[06:47:12] | wagnerrp: | they are designed to error |
[06:47:14] | wagnerrp: | and error a lot |
[06:47:26] | wagnerrp: | but they have ECC so they can correct for nearly all read errors |
[06:47:46] | wagnerrp: | as a result, their performance is significantly higher than if they tried reading perfectly from the media every time |
[06:48:13] | Jester: | oh |
[06:48:14] | wagnerrp: | if the ECC fails, the drive will try to repeatedly reread the same sector, to try to recover that data |
[06:48:28] | wagnerrp: | TLER means it will abort after just a few tries |
[06:48:34] | wagnerrp: | and let the RAID array handle it |
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[06:48:52] | Shadow__X: | so this is ok? Save the file and close text editor. |
[06:48:52] | Shadow__X: | Start now one of the programs installed |
[06:49:04] | Shadow__X: | whoops |
[06:49:28] | Jester: | 88.8% oohh man we're getting close(r) lol |
[06:50:13] | Shadow__X: | Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 120 099 006 Pre-fail Always – 239821201 |
[06:50:16] | Shadow__X: | thats ok? |
[06:51:07] | wagnerrp: | optimal is 120, youre at 99 |
[06:51:12] | wagnerrp: | warning level is 6 |
[06:51:18] | wagnerrp: | id say you have a ways to go |
[06:51:32] | Shadow__X: | then what is the bunch of numbers after it? |
[06:51:32] | wagnerrp: | however instantaneous SMART readings are not really useful |
[06:51:39] | wagnerrp: | you have to watch trends |
[06:51:43] | wagnerrp: | thats the raw data |
[06:51:51] | Shadow__X: | oh ok |
[06:51:58] | Shadow__X: | how do i watch the trends? |
[06:52:05] | wagnerrp: | if your error rate starts rapidly trending downwards, then you have a problem |
[06:52:14] | wagnerrp: | you dont, smartmontools is supposed to for you |
[06:53:04] | Shadow__X: | and it emails (if configured) when it sees an issue? |
[06:53:08] | Shadow__X: | what about this |
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[06:53:21] | Shadow__X: | Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 072 057 030 Pre-fail Always – 21569271995 |
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[06:54:56] | Shadow__X: | oh ok i think i understand now |
[06:55:08] | Shadow__X: | it starts off at the higher number and works its way down |
[06:55:23] | Shadow__X: | and the warning level is where you need to be worried |
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[06:57:21] | Shadow__X: | the hardware ecc recovered is at 7 as well |
[06:57:24] | wagnerrp: | stupid mythtvtalk |
[06:57:33] | wagnerrp: | responses have to be 10 characters or longer |
[06:57:38] | wagnerrp: | 'huh?' doesnt cut it |
[06:58:40] | wagnerrp: | "1) Installed Ubuntu 10.10 into Windows" |
[06:58:42] | sphery: | huh??????? |
[06:59:25] | sphery: | or maybe "huh? " |
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[07:11:46] | wagnerrp: | 400 lines and i think this protocol server is about finished |
[07:12:09] | wagnerrp: | ... of course now i have to write in modules to actually perform the other 5600 lines of mainserver.cpp |
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[10:29:17] | stefan_-: | hello. what does the "-j" switch to mythtranscode? |
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[10:41:24] | stefan_-: | mythtranscode fails on some dvb-t recordings. |
[10:41:51] | stefan_-: | using cutlist, transcode npg2TS to mpg2PS. please see http://pastebin.com/LRVeX2UG |
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[17:07:21] | Jester: | how do you mount a raid? |
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[17:09:54] | wagnerrp: | 'mount' |
[17:10:05] | wagnerrp: | not sure i understand the question |
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[18:59:09] | betternow: | Does anyone have mythtv setup with Direct TV? |
[19:03:38] | jstenback: | Yes, I do |
[19:03:41] | gregL: | betternow, Not me but there are lots of people who do.. |
[19:03:51] | gregL: | too late.. |
[19:04:57] | betternow: | Well I just got a new TV and want to set it up... from my reading online it seems direct TV setups bring a few additional headaches |
[19:05:17] | betternow: | Would you say that is true jstenback? |
[19:08:50] | jstenback: | depends on how you define headaches... |
[19:09:24] | betternow: | Seeing as this is a linux project I would define them a hobbies |
[19:09:28] | betternow: | :p |
[19:09:36] | jstenback: | you'll once you have your receivers and decoder setups all going I don't know of anything that's different from directv vs cable |
[19:09:58] | jstenback: | betternow: heh, in that case then yeah, probably :) |
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[19:13:04] | jstenback: | betternow: fwiw I have two directv hd receivers here, each hooked up to HD-PVRs, each hooked into different slave backend computers |
[19:13:36] | jstenback: | betternow: one slave backend is running on one of my frontends, the other one is standalone |
[19:16:07] | betternow: | I just want to set up one receiver, I am just going to set up a standalone. I don't have a tv tuner card yet, any recommendations? |
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[19:21:16] | aputerboy: | Error:" Table 'mythconverg.user' doesnt' exist" – I got this after I 'granted' privileges to mythtv@newmachine and the tried to UPDATE user Set Password=Password('mythtv') WHERE user='mythtv' |
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[19:21:31] | aputerboy: | I never had this issue before. Admittedly, i did this with the backend running |
[19:22:11] | aputerboy: | i am still able to access from machines that were previously allowed so somehow the users table must exist somewhere |
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[20:43:22] | FinnTux: | is there a way to downgrade to 0.23-fixes? only recorded programs are needed. recordings rules and previously recoded info would be a bonus |
[20:44:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | aputerboy: take a look at http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/tips.php – about 2/3 down "Remote front-ends" – make sure you did the commands right. |
[20:44:30] | FinnTux: | I'm having problems with failed recordings and failing live-tv. 0.23 works ok |
[20:47:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | What's "live tv"? |
[20:47:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
[20:47:45] | jstenback: | betternow: Hauppage HD-PVR is what you want if you want HD content recorded as HD, otherwise any supported analog tuner card should work |
[20:48:11] | aputerboy: | JeffA – thanks – it was actually my bad – I was using 'mythconverg' as the database rather than 'mysql' — i had forgotten about that |
[20:48:28] | aputerboy: | the users table is part of mysql not mythconverg — or so it seems... :) |
[20:48:31] | FinnTux: | J-e-f-f-A, it's a way to watch, for example, sports events at the same time as the rest of the world |
[20:49:12] | aputerboy: | JeffA – does that make sense? |
[20:49:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | FinnTux: Not really – they're still delayed by 3–5 seconds, as it's still a recording, then playback. ;-) |
[20:49:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | aputerboy: Yep. ;-) |
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[20:50:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | FinnTux: What version of 0.24 are you on? |
[20:50:38] | FinnTux: | J-e-f-f-A, close enough. 0.24-fixes. updated few days ago |
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[20:52:02] | FinnTux: | J-e-f-f-A, I'm multicasting my 4 DVB-T muxes and using IPTV recorders in my backend if that matters |
[20:52:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | FinnTux: to answer your question about downgrading – no... not easily anyways – you could wipe the DB and restore it with the backup that the 0.24 install created, but you'd lose track of all of your recorded programs since the upgrade... |
[20:52:39] | FinnTux: | J-e-f-f-A, that would be fine my me but wife would hang me... |
[20:52:45] | betternow: | jstenback: thanks |
[20:53:51] | FinnTux: | I tried to examine what is going on and it looks like the buffer file stays at 0B |
[20:54:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | FinnTux: Ah. I'm here in the states, so don't have either of those available to me... My setup has 7 tuners... but more simple — 1 is a IPTV STB which feeds a PVR-250, two are HD Cable boxes that feed HD-PVRs, and the other 4 are HDHomeruns that do OTA HD. [roughly equivalent to your DVB-T] |
[20:54:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | FinnTux: I don't use multirec on the HDHomeruns as here in the states the channels usually don't carry anything 'useful' on the sub-channels... |
[20:54:55] | FinnTux: | J-e-f-f-A, right. my system is a bit funny but like I said 0.23 worked well |
[20:55:48] | [R]: | J-e-f-f-A: thats a lot of equipment |
[20:55:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: ;-) hehehehe |
[20:56:21] | FinnTux: | J-e-f-f-A, I have 21 channels multicasted to my home network. all sorts of programs can grab the channels from there |
[20:56:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: I have 2 HDHR's, but they have 2 tuners each. ;-) |
[20:56:47] | [R]: | what... do you record evferything on every channel 24/7? |
[20:56:48] | FinnTux: | separate backends for kids, testing backends etc |
[20:57:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | FinnTux: how's your mysql-fu? ;-) |
[20:57:57] | FinnTux: | mysql-fu? |
[20:58:06] | ** J-e-f-f-A sighs as he has to go out and check the snowblower before the 22" of snow falls overnight... ** | |
[20:58:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | FinnTux: Do you know Mysql at all ? |
[20:58:29] | [R]: | J-e-f-f-A: that sucks |
[20:58:34] | [R]: | J-e-f-f-A: snow is lame |
[20:58:39] | FinnTux: | J-e-f-f-A, a bit but I don't see what that has got to do with this :) |
[21:03:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | FinnTux: If you were a mysql guru, you'd be able to 'reverse engineer' the mysql upgrade steps... But that would basically 'void your warranty" ;-) (IE: |
[21:04:09] | FinnTux: | J-e-f-f-A, ah right. I already checked recorded table and there are little differences |
[21:04:30] | sphery: | much better would be to use mythlink.pl to create a directory of links to existing recordings, then use that directory of links to move the new-since-the-upgrade recordings (with the link-provided names) to a MythVideo directory |
[21:04:40] | sphery: | then just downgrade mythtv and restore the pre-upgrade backup |
[21:05:03] | sphery: | the problem with reversing db changes is that you actually lose information in some of them |
[21:05:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | FinnTux: Yeah, sphery has a good point, and it had crossed my mind, but I couldn't think how to 'vocalize' it. ;-) |
[21:05:15] | sphery: | so it's not really possible |
[21:06:00] | FinnTux: | yea, makes sense |
[21:06:02] | ** J-e-f-f-A heads outside to make sure the snowblower is still running fine. ;-) ** | |
[21:06:05] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl and include the recording starttime in the link format, then use that to move the new ones to mythvideo |
[21:06:12] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: good luck with snow |
[21:06:28] | sphery: | it's cold here, too--47F now (which is crazy cold for FL |
[21:06:34] | FinnTux: | J-e-f-f-A, good luck. we have had our share of snow... |
[21:06:58] | FinnTux: | we had about -30C for few days |
[21:07:24] | highzeth: | beat us, we only had -24C at most, a refreshing -10C now =) |
[21:07:41] | [R]: | its more freezing here |
[21:07:43] | [R]: | its only 64 |
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[21:08:07] | FinnTux: | yea it is warmer here now too |
[21:09:03] | highzeth: | Won't last tho apparently got another cold wave on it's way |
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[21:09:21] | FinnTux: | highzeth, where are you from? |
[21:09:28] | highzeth: | Just south of Trondheim |
[21:09:51] | highzeth: | where in .fi you at? |
[21:09:56] | FinnTux: | right. I'm pretty much in the middle of finland |
[21:10:21] | highzeth: | ok |
[21:10:27] | sphery: | explains the nick :) |
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[21:10:35] | FinnTux: | heh |
[21:11:06] | FinnTux: | but regarding my problem. how about sorting out the actual problem? I'm willing to help |
[21:11:30] | sphery: | fixing your 0.24-fixes configuration is a better approach than down grading |
[21:11:40] | sphery: | unfortunately, figuring out the problem is a huge challenge |
[21:12:44] | sphery: | I don't use Live TV at all--even useless for sports, news, etc., IMHO, as http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/387302#387302 --so I don't think I could help much. |
[21:12:49] | FinnTux: | yea. like I said the problem must be somewhere in the buffer file creation |
[21:12:55] | sphery: | Usually, the problems come down to network/socket issues, though |
[21:13:08] | sphery: | and those are problems that haven't been fixed |
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[21:13:18] | FinnTux: | to bad it is not only live tv. recordings fail sometimes too |
[21:13:20] | sphery: | so those who get them are unlucky and those who don't are lucky |
[21:15:12] | sphery: | FinnTux: If that's the case, then it's possibly a problem with your Input Connections configuration. I'd recommend trying both the video sources and capture cards portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 (being sure to use "Delete all ..." or you're just wasting time). Doing that is always a good idea after a distro reinstall, too, and often a good idea for non-trivial distro upgrades. |
[21:16:16] | sphery: | back up your database before making any major changes, like that, though-- http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
[21:16:50] | FinnTux: | sphery, been there done that. that crossed my mind and I already re-created everything |
[21:17:15] | antgel: | i might be OT, so sue me... am wondering, for BBC transmissions (non-HD), is sound broadcast in pro logic? i.e. should my amp be set to pro logic? |
[21:17:38] | ** kormoc sues antgel ** | |
[21:17:45] | ** antgel defends ** | |
[21:18:19] | kormoc: | wouldn't you be able to check the recording and see if it's in prologic or not? |
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[21:19:28] | highzeth: | FinnTux: and you have tried to increase tuning timeouts on the adapters? |
[21:20:02] | FinnTux: | highzeth, yes. 10 sec now |
[21:20:27] | antgel: | kormoc: er, i don't think the bbc announce that information, but i could be wrong |
[21:20:29] | FinnTux: | usually live tv starts ok if I just start it again several times |
[21:20:47] | kormoc: | antifoo, it'd be in the recorded file if it's usable, no? |
[21:21:01] | antgel: | more generally, is it a Bad Idea to set pro logic mode for all non DD broadcasts? |
[21:21:32] | highzeth: | I havent used live tv in many moons, so can't speak for that. Are the dvb-t channels all FTA? |
[21:22:17] | FinnTux: | highzeth, no but they are multicasted unencrypted though |
[21:23:13] | FinnTux: | highzeth, same happens on FTA channels too |
[21:23:34] | highzeth: | fishy |
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[21:49:58] | FinnTux: | highzeth, fishy? |
[21:55:45] | highzeth: | pariton? |
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[21:57:28] | FinnTux: | highzeth, ? |
[21:57:35] | FinnTux: | highzeth, you lost me |
[21:57:50] | highzeth: | fishy=odd/strange behavior |
[21:57:56] | FinnTux: | ah right |
[21:58:07] | highzeth: | I was trying a finnish word, but obviously failed ;-) |
[21:58:18] | highzeth: | outo? |
[21:58:31] | FinnTux: | I wonder if mythtv/libs/libmythtv/iptvrecorder.cpp is where the error happens.. |
[21:58:37] | FinnTux: | yea, outo is correct |
[21:58:39] | highzeth: | sorry, havent spoken or written it in years |
[21:58:52] | highzeth: | ok |
[21:58:59] | FinnTux: | pariton = odd (not even) |
[21:59:17] | highzeth: | right, thanks =) |
[22:00:04] | FinnTux: | np :) |
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[22:05:15] | Coded1: | hello all |
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[22:06:30] | Coded1: | im starting to shop around for an OTA ATSC setup (I have 1 CRT 32" TV) I'm living in toronto canada and am going to need everything from the cabling, antenna and standalone box and tips/suggestions? |
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[22:39:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: think we really need http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Subversion page, anymore? |
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[22:42:10] | antgel: | sphery++ # wiki changes :) |
[22:42:23] | sphery: | heh, I just can't stop |
[22:42:47] | sphery: | and I'm fixing very minor stuff that's just annoying |
[22:43:11] | antgel: | sphery: no, it's great, i did some work on the wiki when i last had a chance (about a year ago) |
[22:43:38] | sphery: | yeah, something that needs to be done... it's just hard to stop |
[22:44:20] | antgel: | in fact i haven't been involved with myth for a year, but just came back to .uk, and am fixing ^W^W^Wupgrading my parents' setup 0.22->0.24 |
[22:44:29] | antgel: | with the various hardware issues, it's been a real fun time :( |
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[22:47:45] | sphery: | heh, yeah, that's always fun |
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[22:57:52] | sphery: | Beirdo: any suggestions on how to do the wiki pages that tell users how to make patches? |
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[22:59:37] | Beirdo: | not offhand. The two main ways are to use git format-patch or to use a pull request |
[22:59:57] | sphery: | both need to be done after git commit'ing to the local repo, right? |
[23:00:06] | Beirdo: | yes |
[23:00:11] | sphery: | hmmm |
[23:00:27] | sphery: | we have a million pages that tell you how to do svn diff and stuff |
[23:00:37] | sphery: | maybe they should all just link to http://code.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/UsingGit |
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[23:01:05] | sphery: | (and, of course, we'd need to add some info on doing format-patch and/or pull there) |
[23:01:25] | wagnerrp: | wow, youve been busy |
[23:01:40] | Beirdo: | busy? |
[23:01:44] | wagnerrp: | the wiki |
[23:01:50] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
[23:01:54] | sphery: | got a few ready for deletions for you |
[23:02:02] | sphery: | and I'd love to delete http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Subversion |
[23:02:32] | sphery: | funny thing is even though it looks like a lot of changes, it was all tiny/unimportant changes |
[23:02:46] | wagnerrp: | delete, or redirect to 'git'? |
[23:03:13] | sphery: | I'd like delete |
[23:03:15] | Beirdo: | redirect to a tombstone |
[23:03:22] | sphery: | but I wouldn't fault anyone else for doing redirect |
[23:03:36] | sphery: | either way solves the immediate problem--that the page is not relevant, anymore |
[23:04:03] | sphery: | been trying to change all the places in the wiki that use "SVN" as a version to say "unstable/development version" instead |
[23:04:38] | wagnerrp: | i thought mediawiki could handle double redirects |
[23:04:46] | wagnerrp: | it just complains that you shouldnt be doing so |
[23:05:29] | sphery: | well, when I clicked What's New in user manual, it sent me to the no-redirect page for Release Notes, so it didn't go to the Release Notes – 0.24 page |
[23:05:38] | sphery: | guess, maybe that's a triple redirect? |
[23:05:40] | Beirdo: | redirect it to "just_do_it_stupid" |
[23:05:41] | Beirdo: | hehe |
[23:05:51] | sphery: | from What's New to Release Notes to Release Notes – 0.24 |
[23:06:34] | sphery: | but linking directly to a version-specific Release Notes page is why our user manual pointed to all sorts of release notes versions from 0.20.2 to 0.21 to 0.23 and 0.23.1 |
[23:06:37] | sphery: | was a huge mess |
[23:07:10] | sphery: | if we need to change it, we can |
[23:07:17] | sphery: | just not a very maintainable config |
[23:07:18] | sphery: | :) |
[23:07:22] | wagnerrp: | anything better than 'Unstable/Development' for the unofficial 'plugins' page? |
[23:07:43] | wagnerrp: | just looks unnecessarily large |
[23:08:04] | sphery: | feel free to change |
[23:08:19] | wagnerrp: | dont know what to change to |
[23:08:28] | sphery: | just shouldn't be trunk/master/any-other-tool-specific-jargon |
[23:08:39] | sphery: | could just make it "unstable" or "development" |
[23:09:00] | sphery: | I've used one or the other alone in some places |
[23:09:28] | wagnerrp: | sphery: we could do an external redirect for MythWeb readme |
[23:09:40] | wagnerrp: | or simply change those pages to link to the page on github |
[23:10:08] | wagnerrp: | i guess that requires admin rights to do so doesnt it... |
[23:11:03] | sphery: | no one uses it, though |
[23:11:05] | sphery: | I say delete it |
[23:11:17] | sphery: | and just edit that one page so it links directly to github |
[23:11:24] | Beirdo: | wonder if I shoud go watch Little Fockers. |
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[23:18:19] | wagnerrp: | malaysian football fans assist team by blinding opposing players with laser pens... |
[23:18:37] | wagnerrp: | huh, over hear, our football fans just throw snowballs and beer bottles |
[23:18:43] | wagnerrp: | here |
[23:19:16] | sphery: | woah... that's just plain wrong |
[23:20:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah, indonesia complained about it this time, vietnam has complained in the past |
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[23:25:31] | ** sphery wonders what http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Building_Plugins:MythNotes , http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Building_Plugins:MythNotes00 through http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Building_Plugins:MythNotes05 are all about ** | |
[23:26:05] | wagnerrp: | someone's long plugin howto |
[23:26:12] | sphery: | yeah, guess so |
[23:26:25] | sphery: | new, too |
[23:26:49] | sphery: | still using SVN, though |
[23:26:56] | sphery: | even though it's Nov/Dec 2010 |
[23:27:20] | Beirdo: | people are stoopid |
[23:27:32] | sphery: | or at least out of date |
[23:27:55] | sphery: | probably wrote up most of it before we switched (or as we switched)? |
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[23:33:56] | elmojo: | anyone know how to prevent mythtv-backen/ from starting until all my /dev/dvbapapters* are present |
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[23:46:25] | sphery: | a hack would be to edit the start script to check for the appropriate ones before continuing |
[23:46:54] | sphery: | I have a simlilar hack that checks for the mysql database before starting master backend and that checks for master backend before starting remote backends |
[23:49:43] | wagnerrp: | sphery: that page is not protected |
[23:50:07] | wagnerrp: | nor are any that link to it |
[23:50:13] | sphery: | elmojo: FWIW, here's my DB check hack. It checks, and if it's not ready, sleeps for 1s, then checks, then sleeps for 2s, then checks, ... up to 60s sleep. http://mythtv.pastebin.com/pFHVAjit |
[23:50:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ok, I guess I don't know how to rename a page, then |
[23:50:45] | sphery: | but it's linked by several http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksH . . . pmbuild.spec |
[23:50:49] | wagnerrp: | there is a 'move' tab at the top of the page |
[23:51:04] | sphery: | assuming "that page" means http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythtv-svn-rpmbuild.spec |
[23:51:05] | wagnerrp: | none of the pages linking to it are protected |
[23:51:19] | sphery: | oh, move... |
[23:51:20] | sphery: | makes sense |
[23:51:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: thanks for teaching me |
[23:52:50] | elmojo: | spery: thanks... looks like mythbuntu made a very simple change to /etc/init/mythtv-backend to wait for udev to finish |
[23:53:08] | sphery: | nice |
[23:53:13] | sphery: | much less hacky, too |
[23:53:51] | ** wagnerrp wonders why Baylink linked to 'Backing up your database', but never actually wrote it ** | |
[23:54:13] | sphery: | may have been an old page that's since been removed? |
[23:54:23] | sphery: | or a copy/paste mistake? |
[23:54:42] | wagnerrp: | no, old pages are never deleted |
[23:54:47] | wagnerrp: | they are just marked as deleted |
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[23:55:03] | wagnerrp: | users see a notification that they have been deleted in the past |
[23:55:10] | wagnerrp: | ops can actually view and recover deleted pages |
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