| Friday, December 24th, 2010, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:35] | sphery: | heh, seems that if it's not a stupid animated show from Seth MacFarlane, they don't care to show it |
| [00:01:07] | kormoc: | and even those they cancel and renew randomly |
| [00:01:10] | sphery: | Ref American Dad, The Cleveland Show, Bob's Burgers |
| [00:01:32] | sphery: | I still like Family Guy, but Fox is trying to hard to repeat that one |
| [00:01:39] | sphery: | and, yeah |
| [00:02:04] | sphery: | though I think I'd have preferred Futurama's coming back to Fox rather than Family Guy |
| [00:02:32] | kormoc: | indeed |
| [00:02:40] | iamlindoro: | oooh, telltale games Back to the Future... |
| [00:02:58] | iamlindoro: | (now available) |
| [00:03:02] | sphery: | heh, I got that e-mail too (two times, actually) |
| [00:03:21] | iamlindoro: | fun |
| [00:03:26] | sphery: | don't know why they double send to me |
| [00:03:26] | iamlindoro: | maybe something to do over the weekend |
| [00:03:34] | iamlindoro: | Because you're twice as important |
| [00:03:46] | kormoc: | purchased, played for 10 minutes. realized it's the crappy wsad movement controls. cried. quit. |
| [00:03:58] | sphery: | iamlindoro: so, should I watch Epitaph 2 or wait to see Epitaph |
| [00:04:27] | sphery: | I don't think the show is worth buying on DVD, so I don't know when I might actually see Epitaph |
| [00:04:48] | sphery: | (this being the 10yrs later show for Dollhouse) |
| [00:04:51] | iamlindoro: | first one is actually called Epitaph One IIRC |
| [00:05:02] | iamlindoro: | I would not watch the second one without having watched the first |
| [00:05:12] | iamlindoro: | since one directly follows the other |
| [00:05:27] | sphery: | ok, thanks for the heads up |
| [00:05:36] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: he was saying there was some yet unaired episode |
| [00:05:37] | elmojo: | abqjp, kormoc: does lsusb tell you what chipset the cable uses? |
| [00:05:46] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Yes, it was on the DVDs/Blu-ray |
| [00:05:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, that's Epitaph One |
| [00:06:23] | wagnerrp: | ah, didnt know you had bought the disks |
| [00:06:29] | kormoc: | elmojo, Bus 004 Device 003: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port |
| [00:06:42] | elmojo: | thanks! |
| [00:07:10] | elmojo: | good to know I'll be able to test the cable before the reciever arrives |
| [00:07:27] | sphery: | why is that you always hear about professional lifics, but never amateur lifics? |
| [00:08:29] | kormoc: | Lifics gone wild |
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| [00:08:54] | wagnerrp: | sphery: wouldnt that be 'sterilific' |
| [00:09:19] | sphery: | heh, could be |
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| [00:09:30] | sphery: | or antilifics |
| [00:10:19] | sphery: | ooooh, Amazon VOD--for which I have a $4 certificate after buying a DVD set there--has Epitaph One for $0.99 (or $2.99 HDTV) |
| [00:10:33] | sphery: | finally, something to use that certificate on |
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| [00:11:20] | sphery: | so, the question is whether Amazon VOD works on GNU/Linux |
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| [00:14:40] | russell5: | quick question. when you more than one tuner with the same channels i hit 4 on my remote how how should it pick what tuner to go to? |
| [00:15:08] | kormoc: | there's a lot that goes into that decision |
| [00:15:35] | kormoc: | Certain settings, upcoming recordings, how many goats were sacrificed recently... |
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| [00:16:03] | russell5: | 3 goats is that to many |
| [00:16:16] | kormoc: | you can never sacrifice enough goats |
| [00:16:28] | kormoc: | it's my primary troubleshooting method |
| [00:16:37] | russell5: | good to know |
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| [00:19:55] | wagnerrp: | so why the new wiki account for gbee? |
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| [00:20:49] | sphery: | Heh, on Amazon VOD's Dollhouse Season 1 page, " |
| [00:21:03] | sphery: | 13. Epitaph One : The elusive and mysterious unaired thirteenth episode from the first ..." |
| [00:21:10] | sphery: | elusive, indeed |
| [00:21:24] | sphery: | completely eluded fox's attention |
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| [00:22:21] | kormoc: | I also don't get NBC. They're kicking Leno off the tonight show again |
| [00:22:45] | kormoc: | So They basically destroyed their top and second top late night talk shows |
| [00:22:46] | elmojo: | abqjp, kormoc: I signed up via Sam's Club and the guy mentioned that they are now offering a package called "Select" which might have all the channels you want at a better price |
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| [00:23:42] | elmojo: | it's unadvertised but it's being tested in certain areas... he thinks you can call DIrecTV and they can give you the details and the pricing |
| [00:24:04] | kormoc: | elmojo, yeah... my condo is contracted to a third party reseller. I'm only allowed certain packages and I must use them for all programing changes/etc |
| [00:24:19] | kormoc: | elmojo, and they charge a nice huge fee on top of standard directtv prices |
| [00:24:31] | elmojo: | ugggh... how do they get away with that |
| [00:24:43] | kormoc: | HOA signed the contract |
| [00:24:57] | kormoc: | and everyone has to agree to the HOA's terms to live here |
| [00:25:03] | kormoc: | I hate HOA's |
| [00:25:15] | elmojo: | it's satellite... do they own the air space or something.... I can understand cable, telephone, etc doing that because of infrastructure costs |
| [00:25:41] | Shadow__X: | elmojo: the hoa could have something banning satellite |
| [00:25:49] | elmojo: | apparently not |
| [00:26:09] | elmojo: | so do you have your own dish or is it shared? |
| [00:26:13] | kormoc: | Aye, they banned any satellite dishes, antennas, etc |
| [00:26:15] | kormoc: | shared dish |
| [00:26:24] | sphery: | Hmmm... The long-spinning "Connecting" for Amazon's VOD after my purchase seems to indicate it's not usable on GNU/Linux |
| [00:26:35] | Shadow__X: | :( |
| [00:26:57] | Shadow__X: | to the cloud? |
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| [00:27:10] | kormoc: | according to the bylaws, I'm not allowed to use OTA signals, but that one I'd love to see them enforce... |
| [00:27:30] | elmojo: | I'd say they are violating laws by trying to enforce that |
| [00:28:02] | wagnerrp: | sphery: and the real flaw with 3D TVs... http://gizmodo.com/5014980 |
| [00:28:03] | kormoc: | elmojo, if they were apartments, that's true, but afaik, HOAs/Condos don't have restrictions on that |
| [00:28:23] | wagnerrp: | 9.8Mvoxel, 164kpixel effective |
| [00:29:33] | wagnerrp: | it still a planar projection, but its true 3D |
| [00:29:34] | kormoc: | "The price of each unit is probably the gross domestic product of Costa Rica" nice |
| [00:30:06] | sphery: | hmmm... "The content can be viewed using the Amazon Unbox Video Player, Windows Media Player, a Windows Media Center Extender such as an Xbox 360, a PlaysForSure portable device." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Video_on_Demand |
| [00:30:10] | kormoc: | 29 billion dollars each eh |
| [00:30:31] | sphery: | sounds like I can boot up my one computer that has windows, then have it re-stream the episode to my XBox 360 |
| [00:30:43] | sphery: | the trouble I go to for Felicia... |
| [00:30:50] | kormoc: | She's worth it! |
| [00:30:56] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: they could use it for a planetarium, and then it would be billions and billions for stars |
| [00:32:00] | kormoc: | true enough |
| [00:32:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp: wow, I hadn't even thought about that, but it makes perfect sense |
| [00:32:15] | Beirdo: | kormoc: how could they possibly stop you from using OTA? |
| [00:32:43] | Beirdo: | OK, yeah, you can't mount an external antenna, but an inside antenna, none of their business :) |
| [00:32:55] | kormoc: | Beirdo, the bylaws say no antennas are allowed in the building other then for 802.11 wifi, am, fm, or satellite radio |
| [00:33:16] | Beirdo: | haahh |
| [00:33:23] | Beirdo: | that's a lame bylaw |
| [00:33:24] | kormoc: | which is why officially I can't get clear internet here as well |
| [00:33:31] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i think the FCC would have something to say if you started using OTA signals |
| [00:33:31] | kormoc: | (not that I want it, but still) |
| [00:33:43] | sphery: | Funny thing is that I've now "bought" 4 "TV shows" from Amazon VOD. 3 of the "shows" were free previews of upcoming seasons of shows I like (BSG and Community)--that I got just to see if VOD might work on GNU/Linux. The free previews worked fine. The paid content doesn't. |
| [00:33:43] | Beirdo: | how about a poilce radio if you were a cop? |
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| [00:33:50] | Beirdo: | sorry, no cops allowed to live here! |
| [00:34:07] | kormoc: | Beirdo, HOAs are all about selective enforcement |
| [00:34:14] | Beirdo: | kormoc: no kidding |
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| [00:34:46] | kormoc: | the 3rd party directtv guys do massive kickbacks to the HOA, so they're gonna protect that at all costs |
| [00:34:55] | Beirdo: | I guess you can't use a cellphone either |
| [00:35:06] | kormoc: | selective enforcement! |
| [00:35:13] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:35:16] | kormoc: | but yeah, that'd be amusing |
| [00:35:18] | wagnerrp: | or cordless phone |
| [00:35:24] | wagnerrp: | or baby monitor |
| [00:35:24] | Shadow__X: | sphery: they have you just enough to get sucked in |
| [00:35:36] | Beirdo: | obviously, what they said ain't what they really meant :) |
| [00:35:37] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, cordless phones are actually mentioned as not being allowed |
| [00:35:44] | wagnerrp: | really... |
| [00:35:46] | kormoc: | aye |
| [00:35:48] | kormoc: | donno why |
| [00:35:52] | Shadow__X: | wow thats rediculous |
| [00:36:06] | kormoc: | I'm glad I just rent here |
| [00:36:12] | Beirdo: | yeah really |
| [00:36:21] | Shadow__X: | i have never heard of rules being so strict |
| [00:36:25] | wagnerrp: | if the CIA bugs your apartment with transmitters, is that grounds for revocation of lease? |
| [00:36:37] | Shadow__X: | are you allowed to talk on the phone whenever you get a phone call>? |
| [00:36:37] | kormoc: | hrm! Interesting |
| [00:36:45] | Beirdo: | you should get your ham radio license just to mess with them |
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| [00:36:48] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: oh the things youll put up with for 100Mbps symmetric.... |
| [00:36:49] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, as long as it's not cordless |
| [00:36:52] | kormoc: | it's true |
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| [00:37:18] | jsumners_: | my channel table is broken beyond repair. if i drop it will mythbackend re-create it? |
| [00:37:27] | kormoc: | jsumners_, no |
| [00:37:39] | jsumners_: | kormoc: where do i find the create script for 0.22? |
| [00:37:41] | kormoc: | jsumners_, if you truncate it and run mythfilldatabase, it'll re-fill it |
| [00:37:46] | kormoc: | jsumners_, locate mc.sql |
| [00:38:16] | kormoc: | but that's not nessessarly the best idea, as if you only re-create the one table, any updates to it won't be applied |
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| [00:38:34] | jsumners_: | i don't really care about the contents of the channel table |
| [00:38:50] | jsumners_: | kormoc: how would i truncate it? |
| [00:38:58] | kormoc: | TRUNCATE channels; |
| [00:39:11] | wagnerrp: | dont forget dtv_multiplex |
| [00:39:24] | sphery: | Shadow__X: yeah... thought it might work after the tests, but I'm glad I had a $4 certificate I got free with a purchase to use to buy a watch-once show to find out for sure. |
| [00:39:29] | wagnerrp: | and there are probably one or two other cross referenced tables |
| [00:39:52] | wagnerrp: | not to mention all your recordings will be 'orphaned' |
| [00:40:04] | wagnerrp: | they will exist, but mythtv will no longer know from where they were recorded |
| [00:40:11] | Beirdo: | select beer from fridge where temperature = 5; |
| [00:40:19] | wagnerrp: | you may as well just delete your sources and recreate them |
| [00:41:25] | jsumners_: | i really just use mythtv as a frontend to mplayer. i don't have any recordings |
| [00:41:46] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt use mplayer, for recordings or otherwise |
| [00:41:58] | jsumners_: | it does in my configuration |
| [00:42:06] | wagnerrp: | only because you configured it wrong |
| [00:42:18] | jsumners_: | no, i configured it the way i want it |
| [00:42:28] | Beirdo: | then enjoy it being borked |
| [00:42:30] | wagnerrp: | which is a way likely to no longer work with 0.25 |
| [00:42:42] | jsumners_: | one of the reasons i don't upgrade |
| [00:43:20] | wagnerrp: | honestly, one of the reasons you probably shouldnt be using mythtv, but rather one of the more simple programs like XBMC which only exist as a media plyer |
| [00:43:44] | jsumners_: | i'm investigating moving to xbmc |
| [00:44:00] | wagnerrp: | (which also uses its own internal player, rather than mplayer) |
| [00:44:02] | jsumners_: | but for now, i just want to get mythtv to quit complaining about the backend not running |
| [00:45:11] | jsumners_: | and is likely why i won't move to it. i use mplayer's ability to shift the audio delay, toggle closed captioning, and switch audio tracks frequently |
| [00:45:36] | wagnerrp: | if you have to shift the audio delay, you should just delete and re-rip your content |
| [00:45:53] | Shadow__X: | or be as stubborn as a mule |
| [00:46:06] | Beirdo: | HEEEEHAW |
| [00:46:25] | jsumners_: | or not give a damn about someone else's opinion of what is "wrong" |
| [00:46:51] | Shadow__X: | its from a dev that knows how it works and what its meant for |
| [00:46:59] | Shadow__X: | he knows what he's talking about |
| [00:47:31] | wagnerrp: | the point is, if you have a/v sync issues, either you have a problem in the player and the player needs to be fixed, or you have a problem in the media and the media needs to be fixed |
| [00:47:58] | wagnerrp: | either way, there is a problem somewhere, and it shouldnt just be resolved by setting a delay and subsequently ignoring it |
| [00:48:21] | jsumners_: | or the path the audio takes to my speakers induces delays |
| [00:48:36] | jsumners_: | and, yes, maybe the encode is slightly jacked |
| [00:48:45] | wagnerrp: | and if that is the case... didnt we add a global option for delay a few months back? |
| [00:48:48] | jsumners_: | which is why i like being able to correct it easily |
| [00:48:55] | wagnerrp: | i know if was talked about for specifically that scenario |
| [00:48:58] | wagnerrp: | s/if/it/ |
| [00:49:10] | jsumners_: | easily as in on-demand |
| [00:50:04] | wagnerrp: | mythtv's internal player does have menu options for adjusting sync |
| [00:50:24] | wagnerrp: | its just not as easy as mplayer's key bindings, because its not a task that is supposed to happen frequently |
| [00:50:48] | jsumners_: | which iss easier, navigating a menu or pressing a button for a set adjustment? |
| [00:51:01] | wagnerrp: | fixing the encodings |
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| [00:56:05] | jsumners_: | kormoc: thank you for the help. mythbackend is running again |
| [00:56:24] | wagnerrp: | grep doesnt seem to handle multi-hundred logs well... |
| [00:57:45] | wagnerrp: | ah, stuartm was going to look into adding a universal offset for 0.25 |
| [00:57:55] | wagnerrp: | but the 0.24 freeze was already in effect, so it couldnt have made it in |
| [00:59:36] | high-rez: | I've actually been thinking about this very subject |
| [00:59:50] | high-rez: | INstead of a universal offset, wouldn't it be better to have a profile based approach? |
| [00:59:54] | wagnerrp: | http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2010-1 . . . -10-28:20:53 |
| [01:00:19] | high-rez: | E.g. 'if using vpdau, and the video is 1080i h264, delay the video by 200ms" |
| [01:00:29] | jsumners_: | why can't you just provide key binding for +/-(some offset)? |
| [01:00:35] | high-rez: | and 'if using vpdau, and the video is 1080i h264, delay the video by 50 ms" |
| [01:00:35] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: the idea is that your TV induces a display delay, and your receiver does not, so you have to apply an audio delay accordingly |
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| [01:00:58] | wagnerrp: | higher end receivers often offer such delay control internally |
| [01:01:14] | wagnerrp: | or if you are routing your audio through the tv, it will apply it automatically |
| [01:01:43] | wagnerrp: | the only reason you would need different profiles is if you were using one frontend on a range of different output devices |
| [01:01:47] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: My receiver does, but it seems that there's a delay in decoding the video that is variable based upon video encoding method... no? |
| [01:01:49] | jsumners_: | wagnerrp: and mine does. 99% of my videos are just fine. it is that occasional one that i have to correct |
| [01:02:14] | wagnerrp: | in which case, you would probably want to start it up with a separate setting name, so you could have a completely independent profile |
| [01:02:44] | wagnerrp: | jsumners_: no, if it is not a delay found across all video, either there is a flaw in the playback code that needs to be fixed, or your media itself is broken |
| [01:02:51] | high-rez: | Maybe have the sync delay as part of the playback profile.... |
| [01:03:02] | high-rez: | To offer the best granularity possible :D |
| [01:03:12] | jsumners_: | that is way over engineering the problem |
| [01:03:28] | wagnerrp: | no, that is trying to fix the problem, rather than just ignoring it |
| [01:03:29] | high-rez: | that comes from the guy whose using myth as a frontend to mplayer |
| [01:03:38] | high-rez: | talking about over engineering a problem :) |
| [01:03:53] | high-rez: | What did the pot call the kettle? |
| [01:04:10] | jsumners_: | no, that would be writing my own frontend instead of using what is already available :) |
| [01:04:29] | jsumners_: | specifying alternate players is a feature of mythtv |
| [01:04:44] | jsumners_: | maybe it is being deprecated, but it's there in the version i use |
| [01:05:03] | wagnerrp: | its there in 0.24 and even trunk, but it is not recommended |
| [01:05:20] | wagnerrp: | it exists only as a temporary solution to users who have video that wont play in the internal player |
| [01:05:21] | high-rez: | It's not even useful. MythPlayer is fantastic |
| [01:06:00] | wagnerrp: | prior to 0.22? 0.21? the external player was the only option |
| [01:06:16] | wagnerrp: | but the internal player is now the default, and has been recommended for several releases |
| [01:06:33] | wagnerrp: | recordings never used an external player, it was only ever an option for mythvideo |
| [01:06:42] | jsumners_: | but it doesn't suppor the features i want |
| [01:07:26] | kormoc: | which are? |
| [01:07:31] | high-rez: | i'm wondering the same |
| [01:07:36] | high-rez: | but i didn't want to ask |
| [01:07:42] | wagnerrp: | being able to easily set an audio delay to account for broken media |
| [01:07:49] | jsumners_: | that's #1 |
| [01:07:57] | kormoc: | can't you adjust that in alsa? |
| [01:08:04] | jsumners_: | easily changing the audio track is #2 |
| [01:08:13] | wagnerrp: | mythtv supports multiple audio tracks |
| [01:08:14] | kormoc: | NEXT_AUDIO_TRACK doesn't work? |
| [01:08:15] | jsumners_: | and easily changing the subtitle track is #3 |
| [01:08:15] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Isn't that just a matter of mapping a key ? I could swear my bro in law does that all day |
| [01:08:21] | wagnerrp: | through the menu and key bindings |
| [01:08:23] | kormoc: | NEXT_SUBTITLE doesn't work? |
| [01:08:28] | high-rez: | #2 I have the "audio" button mapped to that |
| [01:08:37] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: audio delay is only accessible through the menu |
| [01:08:47] | high-rez: | i literaslly hat the audio button on my onkyo remote to cycle through tracks |
| [01:10:15] | high-rez: | wagneerp: I can hardly see the inconvenice of a couple extra button presses for something that he needs to do 1% of the time as being even a real reason. |
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| [01:10:34] | high-rez: | and the other two complaints are invalid lack of setting key bindings :) |
| [01:10:34] | jsumners_: | i'm looking for the documentation on that |
| [01:12:08] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/mythtv/keys.txt#L60 |
| [01:12:43] | wagnerrp: | that, and line 117 |
| [01:12:48] | JEDIDIAH__: | supporting external players is a great way to support features that the myth devs can't be bothered with. They can allow the buck to be passed to someone else. |
| [01:12:57] | wagnerrp: | er no, thats 'capture source', not 'caption source' |
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| [01:13:22] | kormoc: | JEDIDIAH__, and they cause a never ending flow of bug reports |
| [01:13:23] | jsumners_: | why wouldn't that information be at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Keybindings ? |
| [01:13:35] | [R]: | kormoc: that's what she said |
| [01:13:46] | kormoc: | jsumners_, no one added it? |
| [01:13:51] | wagnerrp: | jsumners_: because the devs have never been very good at updating the wiki to follow changes in the program |
| [01:14:15] | jsumners_: | and you are complaining to me that i don't know about the features in your player? |
| [01:14:27] | jsumners_: | i'm looking through the (searchable) documentation |
| [01:14:51] | wagnerrp: | if you look through the keybindings in the frontend setup, it should all be listed there |
| [01:15:01] | JEDIDIAH__: | the flow of bug reports will be never ending regardless. |
| [01:16:26] | high-rez: | So the default changing of audio tracks is the + key |
| [01:16:31] | jsumners_: | hmm, "Edit Keys" is doing nothing for me |
| [01:16:37] | high-rez: | SO just map the + key to something on your remote |
| [01:16:55] | high-rez: | And you'll have one button audio track switching all day long |
| [01:17:00] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: the problem is continuing to support external players when everything is moving to storage groups |
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| [01:17:34] | wagnerrp: | external players dont understand storage groups, which makes it difficult to get content into them |
| [01:18:56] | wagnerrp: | and to be fair, the transfer protocol is a bit too customized for mythtv's needs to be worth other players much in adding support for it |
| [01:19:30] | high-rez: | *if* those external programs supported UPnP though, they could access it all day long though, no ? |
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| [01:19:51] | wagnerrp: | how do you link to a program over UPNP? |
| [01:20:10] | wagnerrp: | i suppose you could provide a direct HTTP download link |
| [01:20:39] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: that is a decent thought on how to handle that... ^^^ |
| [01:20:41] | JEDIDIAH__: | I am not sure a frontend external player connecting via UPNP would support as many features. |
| [01:21:10] | wagnerrp: | once the upnp server actually starts using storage groups, instead of its own internal scan and list |
| [01:21:24] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Will that be part of 0.25 ? |
| [01:21:47] | wagnerrp: | probably |
| [01:23:32] | [R]: | what upnp really needs is to prevent shutdown while streaming |
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| [01:23:52] | high-rez: | You shutdown your backend? :) |
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| [01:24:15] | [R]: | high-rez: when its idle, yup |
| [01:24:31] | high-rez: | Tree hugger |
| [01:24:31] | high-rez: | ;) |
| [01:24:41] | [R]: | nothing to do with trees |
| [01:25:23] | [R]: | originally, it was about saving money on my electric bill... but it has the side effect of making my hdpvr work like a champ most of the time |
| [01:26:01] | [R]: | the hdpvr goes on/off with the machine, therefore clearing any errors it might have, and mostly preventing them from happening |
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| [01:26:29] | high-rez: | Ehh, not ever had to use that device thank god. |
| [01:27:24] | [R]: | how do you record HD? |
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| [01:27:37] | high-rez: | HDHR |
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| [01:28:14] | [R]: | QAM or ATSC? |
| [01:28:26] | high-rez: | ATSC |
| [01:28:28] | [R]: | lame |
| [01:28:59] | high-rez: | ATSC |
| [01:29:02] | high-rez: | erps |
| [01:29:25] | wagnerrp: | lame? |
| [01:29:34] | [R]: | you miss out on all the cool channels |
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| [01:37:42] | Hilikus: | how do i make mythbrowser fullscreen? |
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| [01:39:12] | [R]: | Hilikus: i've wondered that too myself |
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| [01:39:24] | [R]: | Hilikus: i just wound up hacking my theme to make the viewport the full screeen |
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| [01:41:54] | Perdignus: | Is a way to see which files are updated when doing a "git pull"? I don't see a verbose switch |
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| [01:45:17] | wagnerrp: | git pull should already list the changed files |
| [01:46:06] | wagnerrp: | along with the changed line count |
| [01:47:29] | Hilikus: | so it's not possible? |
| [01:49:03] | wagnerrp: | so... its not needed |
| [01:49:13] | wagnerrp: | oh, the mythbrowser fullscreen |
| [01:49:21] | wagnerrp: | im sure its possible, just never use it |
| [01:49:34] | wagnerrp: | you seem to be asking during a rather quiet time in the channel |
| [01:49:42] | Hilikus: | hmm |
| [01:49:57] | Hilikus: | google doesnt come up with anything interesting |
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| [01:50:58] | jya: | iamlindoro: noticed something particular when trying to play a BD through mythfrontend |
| [01:51:18] | jya: | on ubuntu, the disk is automatically mount in /media/cdrom0 |
| [01:51:25] | jya: | works fine with mythavtest |
| [01:51:49] | jya: | when trying to play through the frontend however, the disk gets unmounted |
| [01:52:07] | Hilikus: | next silly question, is there a way to start mythbrowser without using a bookmark? |
| [01:52:09] | jya: | as mythfrontend starts and it doesn't remount , so playback of a BD disk fail |
| [01:52:55] | jya: | if I mount the disk as root , to /media/cdrom0, when starting mythfrontend, I get a message that the disk can't be unmounted as only root can do so, then going to playback disk: it works |
| [01:53:17] | jya: | so the question is, why does mythfrontend try to unmount the disk as soon as it starts? |
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| [01:59:02] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: other plugins can hit mythbrowser directly, but users must open it with a bookmark |
| [01:59:11] | wagnerrp: | you can try making a bookmark for 'about:blank' |
| [01:59:16] | Hilikus: | got it |
| [01:59:30] | sphery_: | nick sphery |
| [01:59:33] | sphery_: | heh |
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| [01:59:49] | sphery: | works better with a slash |
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| [02:01:13] | sphery: | iamlindoro: thanks for the recommendation--was well worth the $0.99. That episode may have been better than the series, even, and now Epitaph 2 should make more sense |
| [02:04:30] | Hilikus: | whats the status of mythnetvision? |
| [02:05:08] | Hilikus: | i'm using myth 0.23 |
| [02:05:20] | sphery: | works fine, but you must use a non-broken Flash or a Qt that has a workaround for the broken Flash |
| [02:05:25] | wagnerrp: | jya: seems airtunes has been rev-enged... http://blog.technologeek.org/airtunes-v2 |
| [02:05:26] | sphery: | for many things, that is |
| [02:06:03] | wagnerrp: | partially anyway |
| [02:06:04] | Hilikus: | which version of flash is broken? and what's broken? |
| [02:06:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp / jya : danielk was talking about using some actual standard for that functionality |
| [02:06:29] | Hilikus: | im using the latest version available in ubuntu 10.10 |
| [02:06:37] | sphery: | Hilikus: 10.1+ and it causes WebKit to crash (taking down all of mythfrontend with it) |
| [02:06:44] | sphery: | if you have Qt 4.7, you're good |
| [02:07:03] | Hilikus: | it seems i do |
| [02:07:05] | wagnerrp: | is there a published standard for pushing video to a remote player? |
| [02:07:13] | sphery: | though you might want to consider upgrading to MythTV 0.24 since it has a lot more features for MNV |
| [02:07:17] | wagnerrp: | i think UPNP has something along those lines, but ive never actually heard of anything using it |
| [02:07:38] | sphery: | I was talking about the multi-device synchronization part |
| [02:08:00] | Hilikus: | sphery: how does it work. when i try to watch a video does it use its own embedded player or it just opens mythbrowser> |
| [02:08:01] | Hilikus: | ? |
| [02:08:27] | sphery: | Hilikus: for those sites that forbid downloading or that require the use of a browser, it uses a browser |
| [02:08:34] | sphery: | for those things that can be downloaded, it uses the player |
| [02:09:09] | Hilikus: | im trying to watch youtube clips. my problem is mythbrowser doesn't seem to support full-screen so i'm thinking maybe mythnetvision will |
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| [02:23:06] | jya: | wagnerrp: my company is "made for ipod" accredited, (only one in oceania) so I actually got the spec for airplay. another reason i stopped looking into it, can't easily start doing something even if I was n't using official doc. will come back and hit me |
| [02:23:35] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
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| [02:26:45] | jya: | if it gets documented sufficiently will probably investigate again... it works brilliantly with my ATV |
| [02:26:52] | jya: | would be a awesome frontend |
| [02:27:07] | jya: | only need to bother with a backend, and you stream from be backend to the TV |
| [02:27:19] | jya: | control with a little networked remote control or something like that |
| [02:28:59] | wagnerrp: | so the remote control would then tell the backend to push content to the ATV frontend? |
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| [02:32:07] | wagnerrp: | use of the ATV as a frontend would still require all content be transcoded first |
| [02:32:35] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, mpeg2 isnt even on the list of supported content? |
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| [02:54:57] | jya: | wagnerrp: Was just trying find_orphans.py |
| [02:55:26] | jya: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/6e2wqBf0 |
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| [03:00:36] | wagnerrp: | ugh... |
| [03:03:04] | wagnerrp: | anyone know off hand if hostnames are allowed to have unicode characters? |
| [03:04:24] | kormoc: | punycode |
| [03:05:08] | kormoc: | http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3492.txt |
| [03:05:32] | wagnerrp: | well i bumped it to unicode too for good measure |
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| [03:06:15] | Beirdo: | last I read DNS RFCs... alphanumeric + dash only |
| [03:06:15] | wagnerrp: | wow... punycode... i thought you were making a joke |
| [03:06:36] | kormoc: | heh |
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| [03:07:20] | Beirdo: | nasty, huh? :) |
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| [03:23:42] | dewman: | wow just got a better video card then my onboard 8 meg intel, Talk about clarity....wow! Geforce 8500 gt, that I found on fleabay for $20 |
| [03:23:57] | dewman: | WAF is going back up... |
| [03:24:54] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:25:13] | wagnerrp: | analog output? |
| [03:27:11] | dewman: | yeah for now....I have a dvi to hdmi cable but for some reason the audio input for the hdmi port doesnt seem to work on my samsung for some reason. |
| [03:28:14] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i saw a huge improvement in composite video quality between my 6200 and 8400 |
| [03:28:24] | wagnerrp: | analog audio with HDMI video? |
| [03:28:47] | dewman: | I am pretty sure thats what it is... |
| [03:29:01] | dewman: | to rca jacks above the hdmi port. |
| [03:29:46] | wagnerrp: | the 8xxx series and beyond dont do DVI, they do HDMI |
| [03:30:07] | wagnerrp: | which means even when youre using a DVI port, if the display device tells the card it can do audio, the card will tell the display device it is sending audio |
| [03:30:38] | wagnerrp: | and on many tvs, if the card tells the tv it is sending audio over HDMI, it will disable the analog inputs |
| [03:31:15] | wagnerrp: | long story short, you need to capture the EDID block from your TV, strip out all the extra options such as audio support, and feed it back into your nvidia driver |
| [03:31:19] | wagnerrp: | to prevent it from trying to send audio |
| [03:31:33] | wagnerrp: | there are instructions for such on the wiki |
| [03:32:53] | dewman: | here is the card that I have.... http://computermonger.com/wp-content/uploads/ . . . 86J_UAHG.jpg |
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| [03:33:45] | wagnerrp: | yes, that card is telling your tv it is sending audio |
| [03:34:49] | dewman: | ahh....tv is a samsung hl-s4676s |
| [03:35:22] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Analog_Sound_DVI_to_HDMI |
| [03:37:30] | dewman: | wow..... that is cool... |
| [03:37:30] | dewman: | one less cable on the back of the tv.... |
| [03:37:30] | wagnerrp: | one less? |
| [03:37:30] | dewman: | audio cable. |
| [03:37:30] | dewman: | right? |
| [03:37:30] | wagnerrp: | but your card doesnt do audio |
| [03:37:53] | wagnerrp: | your card is merely incorrectly telling your TV that it does audio |
| [03:38:02] | dewman: | o... ok.... gotcha... |
| [03:38:12] | wagnerrp: | so your TV shuts off the analog inputs, assuming the card is actually going to do what it says it will |
| [03:38:24] | dewman: | ahh.. ok... that makes sense now.. |
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| [03:39:08] | dewman: | either way... still cool... well since the wife and kids are in bed, now is the perfect time to do this....Rum and coke in hand.... ;) |
| [03:54:09] | jya: | wagnerrp: I've never seen a 8xxx doing proper hdmi, it's just DVI with maybe a hdmi port |
| [03:55:18] | wagnerrp: | jya: well whatever its doing, my 8400 will tell my samsung that it is sending audio when hooked up with a DVI->HDMI cable |
| [03:55:37] | wagnerrp: | i had to apply that fix before i could get analog audio working on it |
| [03:56:06] | wagnerrp: | thats an 8400 with no HDMI ports or SPDIF headers |
| [04:11:46] | dewman: | wagnerrp, I am on step 4 of the nvidia-xconfig... Keeps telling me command not found....Does x need to be started for that to work? |
| [04:13:25] | wagnerrp: | no, and im pretty sure that executable comes with the nvidia drivers |
| [04:13:41] | wagnerrp: | you may have to separately install nvidia-settings, but i thought that was just the GUI tool |
| [04:14:21] | dewman: | got it, needed to give it the full path.... |
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| [04:31:13] | dewman: | so it appears that the extract actually pulled the edid out, I tried to use the edid_disable_exts and it says "ERROR: Input already has extensions flag cleared" So i guess I can modify the xorg and be done with it? |
| [04:32:19] | wagnerrp: | sounds so |
| [04:32:56] | dewman: | alrighty.... I will see what happens... |
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| [04:38:42] | Jester05: | hello anyone active on here? |
| [04:39:38] | Jester05: | I'm looking at retiring my old P4 2.8ghz server.. have the components for the new one. AMD Athlon II X2 3.0Ghz w/ Gigabyte 880 board |
| [04:39:56] | Jester05: | at any rate, the board has an integral raid controller.. |
| [04:40:12] | sphery: | So, that took me way to long to think of doing... |
| [04:40:13] | Jester05: | should I use the mobo's raid controller or use a linux software configuration? |
| [04:40:42] | wagnerrp: | neither? |
| [04:40:53] | sphery: | Just set up my box to re-record any SDTV show in the in the Movies recording group if they ever re-air in HDTV. |
| [04:41:02] | wagnerrp: | for recordings, use bare drives |
| [04:41:08] | sphery: | I agree... Non-RAID is good for MythTV recordings. |
| [04:41:09] | [R]: | wagnerrp: taht's what she said |
| [04:41:09] | [R]: | haha |
| [04:41:20] | wagnerrp: | for mythvideo archive, i would still use software raid |
| [04:41:23] | Jester05: | wagnerrp, i am.. i have a 1TB for the recordings |
| [04:41:34] | Jester05: | this is for video/pictures ect |
| [04:41:44] | Jester05: | ok.. |
| [04:41:51] | wagnerrp: | the only thing onboard raid is good for is bootable mirrors |
| [04:42:10] | Jester05: | if you don't mind saying, why do you prefer software to hardware? |
| [04:42:36] | wagnerrp: | i dont prefer software to hardware per se... i just think all onboard RAID chipsets are garbage |
| [04:42:44] | Jester05: | ohh |
| [04:42:45] | wagnerrp: | they dont put anything worthwhile on consumer motherboards |
| [04:42:58] | Jester05: | yeah probably fairly true |
| [04:43:16] | Jester05: | and w/ a 3.0 dual i shouldn't have a cpu shortage |
| [04:43:47] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt matter |
| [04:43:59] | wagnerrp: | software or hardware, all the processing is still done on the CPU |
| [04:44:01] | Jester05: | currently I'll just be tuning with 2 pvr 150s .. deciding if I'm going to buy a normal HDhomerun or wait till the HDhomerun prime comes out |
| [04:44:19] | wagnerrp: | you have to spend more on a raid card than you did on your whole motherboard before you get one that offloads anything |
| [04:44:26] | Jester05: | I've heard that the hardware controllers handle a good deal of the load.. |
| [04:44:35] | Jester05: | ohhh |
| [04:44:37] | Jester05: | alright |
| [04:44:38] | wagnerrp: | real hardware RAID, sure |
| [04:44:50] | Jester05: | I understand what you're saying now |
| [04:45:11] | wagnerrp: | but anything under $200 discrete just offers a firmware, but still uses the systems CPU and memory for everything |
| [04:45:34] | Jester05: | isn't there a flexibility issue there using hardware also |
| [04:45:47] | wagnerrp: | yes, mirrors are generally safe to use |
| [04:46:05] | wagnerrp: | but anything else, youre going to have to find matching hardware to recover an array from a failed controller |
| [04:46:18] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [04:46:31] | Jester05: | so what is the draw back to using a software configuration? |
| [04:46:49] | wagnerrp: | you have to do a bit more manual configuration |
| [04:47:00] | wagnerrp: | there is no automatic repair and such |
| [04:47:06] | Jester05: | meh I'm sure I can figure that out |
| [04:47:15] | wagnerrp: | and since you have no boot firmware, your BIOS cant see it to boot from it |
| [04:47:24] | kormoc: | unless it's a mirror |
| [04:47:31] | Jester05: | yeah |
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| [04:47:37] | kormoc: | or a very specially setup raid-0/5 |
| [04:47:58] | kormoc: | /6 |
| [04:48:00] | Jester05: | I was planning to put my OS on the same 1TB drive i'm going to be recording to... then have my (3) 2TB raid5 configuration for storage |
| [04:48:22] | kormoc: | raid-5 is horrible for longterm storage (bitrot) and horrible for myth recording |
| [04:48:36] | Jester05: | I'm not recording to it |
| [04:48:46] | Jester05: | simply storing movies and raw data to it |
| [04:48:57] | wagnerrp: | you still suffer from bitrot |
| [04:49:19] | Jester05: | yeah but for my budget i don't have much of a choice :-\ |
| [04:49:27] | kormoc: | 3 way mirror |
| [04:49:39] | wagnerrp: | or zfs/btrfs |
| [04:50:03] | wagnerrp: | or some other proprietary array that does live checksumming |
| [04:50:21] | Jester05: | hmm I may have to do some more research into this |
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| [04:50:49] | Jester05: | I'm still in the process of finding places on my network to throw all the data that is currently stored on the 1TB drive.. it used to be the archive drive |
| [04:51:04] | wagnerrp: | you already have the 3 TB drives? |
| [04:51:14] | Jester05: | I have (3) 2TB drives |
| [04:51:26] | Jester05: | I haven't built the new computer yet.. I have all the components though |
| [04:51:30] | wagnerrp: | was going to say 2TB is currently the sweetspot |
| [04:51:54] | Jester05: | yeah I picked mine up for <$100 / hdd |
| [04:52:06] | Jester05: | missed newegg having them at $89.99 tho :( |
| [04:52:36] | Jester05: | western digital GREEN... 3 yr warr. |
| [04:52:58] | kormoc: | good for YOU |
| [04:57:49] | Jester05: | any idea of read/write speeds I should expect out of linux software raid? |
| [04:58:12] | wagnerrp: | 100MB/s * the number of drives you have |
| [05:04:38] | Jester05: | thanks |
| [05:08:09] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I guess we should migrate the ebuilds over into MythTV/packaging |
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| [05:25:50] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: bitrot is an issue when you are not actively accessing the information right? |
| [05:27:33] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, no |
| [05:27:35] | wagnerrp: | bitrot is an issue always |
| [05:27:49] | wagnerrp: | the XOR engines for RAID5/6 take care of resolving missing data |
| [05:27:59] | wagnerrp: | but they do nothing to ensure the data is actually what its supposed to be |
| [05:28:08] | kormoc: | RAID-6 should, no? |
| [05:28:24] | wagnerrp: | raid6 can on a single disk failure, if the controller is set up that way |
| [05:28:28] | Shadow__X: | from what i have read raid 6 is better against that |
| [05:28:32] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [05:28:37] | wagnerrp: | and raid5 can on no failure, again, if the controller is set up that way |
| [05:28:57] | wagnerrp: | but XORing is expensive, so most controllers only do it when they need to |
| [05:28:58] | Shadow__X: | what specific options do you have to enable |
| [05:29:15] | Shadow__X: | also how to do you fight against bitrot |
| [05:29:23] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, you can't use single parity and know which bit/block is the bad one |
| [05:29:33] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, have more then 2 copies of the data |
| [05:29:39] | wagnerrp: | if they did it all the time, you wouldnt see the disparity in performance between healthy arrays and critical ones |
| [05:29:58] | kormoc: | or rather have x+2 copies of the data where x is how many bad disks you are guarding against |
| [05:30:22] | wagnerrp: | even RAID1 doesnt really protect you, when the controller is set up to spread the load among the disks, rather than check for integrity |
| [05:30:45] | kormoc: | Aye, if it reads and then writes without checking the entire array, you can lose bits |
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| [05:32:37] | wagnerrp: | the only way to protect against it is to actually compare multiple sets of data, or lacking that, run a checksum |
| [05:32:55] | wagnerrp: | but it has to be the controller doing that, so it has some way to access the necessary data to recover |
| [05:33:16] | wagnerrp: | and youre looking at some pretty expensive SAN equipment before you get something that does that in 'hardware' |
| [05:33:25] | wagnerrp: | if you can actually call it a 'hardware' array at that point |
| [05:33:52] | Shadow__X: | hmm so i am guessing mdadm isn;t going to be doing these checks |
| [05:33:59] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea |
| [05:34:16] | wagnerrp: | i know ZFS does, i assume btrfs does... beyond that, i dont know |
| [05:35:52] | kormoc: | mdadm does read leveling |
| [05:36:13] | kormoc: | but if you do health checks from time to time, you reduce the window for issues |
| [05:36:50] | wagnerrp: | in the 2–3 years ive been running ZFS, ive only seen a handful of files ever report errors |
| [05:36:52] | Shadow__X: | kormoc: do you know off hand how i can enable that or it it enabled by default? Also how would i go about doing the health checks |
| [05:37:42] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, echo check > /sys/block/md#/md/sync_action |
| [05:38:00] | kormoc: | and what do you mean by enable that? |
| [05:38:13] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: will it automatically replace the favored file of the three? |
| [05:38:23] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, yes |
| [05:39:04] | wagnerrp: | but with two, it just throws up an error? |
| [05:39:12] | Shadow__X: | is read level enabled by default? |
| [05:39:45] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, with two, it just guesses which one is best |
| [05:39:49] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, yes |
| [05:39:57] | kormoc: | and sadly you can't turn it off afaik |
| [05:40:32] | wagnerrp: | where as ZFS has the checksum to tell it which one is correct |
| [05:40:44] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [05:40:46] | wagnerrp: | i presume it stores multiple copies of the checksum to prevent that from being lost |
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| [06:16:50] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i can't seem to get Videos to work in mythfs.py... |
| [06:17:00] | [R]: | wagnerrp: is there something more than ./mythfs.py Videos /mnt/point |
| [06:17:03] | [R]: | ? |
| [06:18:27] | wagnerrp: | ive not actually tested it in the new code |
| [06:18:48] | [R]: | oh |
| [06:22:55] | [R]: | wagnerrp: how do i make it verbose or something... i tried hardcoding a log file in there |
| [06:23:00] | [R]: | but it just create dan empty file and nothing was in it |
| [06:24:07] | wagnerrp: | there already is a log file hardcoded |
| [06:24:19] | wagnerrp: | see about 35 lines in |
| [06:24:38] | [R]: | the mythlog.setfile |
| [06:24:40] | [R]: | thats what i changed |
| [06:24:48] | wagnerrp: | and the loglevel? |
| [06:24:53] | wagnerrp: | lstr='' |
| [06:24:58] | [R]: | oh... hrm |
| [06:25:25] | wagnerrp: | follows normal mythtv verbose format |
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| [06:25:55] | [R]: | 2010-01–03 00:46:08.572 pythonbindings: no file handler for — Videos |
| [06:26:18] | wagnerrp: | oops, its 'Video' |
| [06:26:40] | wagnerrp: | no... what is wrong there |
| [06:27:01] | [R]: | that got me more output |
| [06:27:03] | [R]: | but still no files |
| [06:28:08] | [R]: | wagnerrp: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/uqUwFSYx |
| [06:28:20] | wagnerrp: | in a python shell, run 'import mythfs; Videos()' |
| [06:28:28] | wagnerrp: | should give you a meaningful error code |
| [06:28:33] | wagnerrp: | its failing somewhere in Videos.__init__ |
| [06:29:27] | [R]: | NameError: name 'Videos' is not defined |
| [06:30:08] | wagnerrp: | mythfs.Videos() |
| [06:30:24] | [R]: | NameError: global name 'db' is not defined |
| [06:30:41] | [R]: | File "mythfs.py", line 147, in __init__ |
| [06:31:20] | wagnerrp: | ah... at the top of the Videos class, should be 'MythBE(db=self.db)' |
| [06:32:30] | [R]: | well i get myth chatter in the log |
| [06:32:33] | [R]: | but still an empty directory |
| [06:34:12] | [R]: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/T5GyQsj8 |
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| [07:15:11] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you around? |
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| [07:59:00] | wagnerrp: | sphery: anyway, check out the changes to mythwikiscripts |
| [07:59:14] | wagnerrp: | it now categorizes based off the wiki categories, rather than the scriptinfo ones |
| [07:59:44] | wagnerrp: | and only lists one category at a time, so its a lot cleaner to use |
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| [08:51:43] | jstenback: | Doesn't happen on a mythtvfrontend restart, just when I reboot the whole frontend computer... |
| [08:52:04] | jstenback: | I'm using minimyth fwiw |
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| [12:11:33] | kav0rka^: | hi how many guys here are using xbmc as a frontend to a mythbackend? |
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| [12:39:08] | wondra: | kav0rka^: I tried it once on Windows. When I found out I can have only recordings and not Live TV, I deleted it again. |
| [12:40:19] | kav0rka^: | wondra: im in love with the interface and add-ons....im very envious of it, i tried it via the mythbox addon, very impressive |
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| [16:43:24] | jpabq: | At the *moment*, Amazon has Chuck Season 3 blu-ray for $23 |
| [16:51:30] | elmojo: | wish they'd sale the hd-pvr for $23 :) |
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| [16:53:26] | jpabq: | If you add the HD-PVR to your cart, but then tell it to save for later, it makes it easy to check the price. Amazon's prices can change minute by minute. |
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| [16:57:13] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | anyone curling up with their MythTV boxes this weekend for some fun? |
| [16:58:41] | staylo: | Drat, was trying to reorder my channel list to a sane configuration but now most of the channels have their channel number set to 1. Is there an easy way to repair the channel list? |
| [16:59:27] | wagnerrp: | GadgetWisdomGuru: trying to get audio working again currently |
| [17:00:14] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | what happened wagnerrp |
| [17:00:38] | wagnerrp: | i upgraded the kernel a month ago, and havent been able to get HDMI audio working since |
| [17:01:15] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I hate it when that happens |
| [17:01:41] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I don't have HDMI audio. I have SPDIF off the board that is jumpered into the video card, but still...same hate |
| [17:02:41] | wagnerrp: | aww crap |
| [17:03:38] | wagnerrp: | i was just about to add the EDID file to the xorg.conf to force it to disable HDMI audio, and allow my tv to access over analog |
| [17:03:44] | wagnerrp: | only to find it was already set |
| [17:04:04] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | That might explain it |
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| [17:10:36] | wagnerrp: | no, that was just the normal block captured, so if the tv was off when the frontend booted, it would still work |
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| [17:50:28] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo, iamlindoro: got some good news and some bad news |
| [17:50:53] | wagnerrp: | bad news, seems ive managed to scan my video directory without it being mounted, wiped it clean |
| [17:51:11] | wagnerrp: | good news, the batch downloader seems to be working great with the new MythSystem |
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| [18:00:25] | sphery: | wagnerrp: nice changes on mythwikiscripts |
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| [18:55:00] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: sorry to hear about the scanner issues. ick! |
| [18:55:29] | Beirdo: | but I'm glad to see that the mythsystem stuff held up. |
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| [18:57:58] | Beirdo: | OK, no more logging into work while on holidays. BAD boy! |
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| [19:04:41] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: honestly, ive got a backup from a few days ago i could of recovered from, but i was due for a refresh on a lot of stuff anyway |
| [19:04:48] | ChanServ!ChanServ@services. changes topic to Welcome to the official MythTV user-to-user support channel | http://mythtv.org/ | Stable release: 0.24 | FAQ http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC | Wiki http://mythtv.org/wiki/ | Use http://mythtv.pastebin.ca | US/Canada Listings: http://schedulesdirect.org/ | |
| [19:04:51] | wagnerrp: | what better chance to try things out... |
| [19:05:53] | stuartm: | there, that's a little better, important info is less likely to be truncated |
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| [19:08:26] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [19:14:06] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I was wondering about interesting things to do with MythTV statistics |
| [19:21:54] | wagnerrp: | thats all the further youre going with that? |
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| [19:25:05] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | ? |
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| [19:25:47] | wagnerrp: | what did you want to do with 'mythtv statistics'? |
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| [19:29:46] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: mulled wine? |
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| [19:31:51] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | A friend of mine linked MythTV watched recordings to getglue.com |
| [19:33:01] | wagnerrp: | for show recommendations? |
| [19:34:40] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | It got me thinking about what other uses watching data might be useful for. |
| [19:34:57] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | such as recommendations, watching habits, etc. |
| [19:35:40] | wagnerrp: | recommendations would be nice |
| [19:35:49] | wagnerrp: | i was working on such an interface several months back |
| [19:36:05] | wagnerrp: | but never found a service that i saw good results from |
| [19:36:59] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i think there just isnt enough wide variety in TV shows to warrant such a utility |
| [19:37:13] | wagnerrp: | i think sphery has the right idea |
| [19:37:31] | wagnerrp: | get enough tuners and storage to record every new series you might be interested in |
| [19:37:47] | wagnerrp: | every discovery/history/tlc special you might want to watch |
| [19:38:05] | wagnerrp: | sort it out later |
| [19:38:30] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I'm wondering about just importing the data into any service, just to see what comes up. |
| [19:38:44] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | It won't be always useful, but recommendations can be amusing |
| [19:39:09] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | That's why I'm intrigued by what uses the data on my TV watching habits might yield. |
| [19:39:28] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I'd be curious to see what shows I'm more likely to watch closer to actual air time, what shows I forget to watch. |
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| [19:41:59] | wagnerrp: | GadgetWisdomGuru: the simple problem is that any collaborative recommendation system is either going to recommend old shows no longer on the air and not possible to record |
| [19:42:21] | wagnerrp: | or shows that are already several episodes into the season, that you dont want to watch because you missed several episodes |
| [19:43:00] | wagnerrp: | which is the point of just recording everything |
| [19:43:10] | wagnerrp: | watch the first few episodes |
| [19:43:16] | wagnerrp: | or wait a few weeks and read reviews |
| [19:43:26] | wagnerrp: | delete it... or dont and just let it autoexpire |
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| [19:49:21] | trumee: | Crap my mythfrontend crashes when i change the channel |
| [19:50:23] | trumee: | http://www.pastie.org/1403613 |
| [19:51:42] | stuartm: | so don't chane the channel |
| [19:56:37] | trumee: | stuartm: nice one. |
| [19:57:09] | trumee: | stuartm: maybe it was a mistake to upgrade to 0.24 |
| [19:57:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | I suppose you could record one of every show in a particular target genre. the custom rule for that would look rather interesting. |
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| [20:27:11] | sphery: | trumee: I'm sure you'd get much better quality if you used 800x600 or 1024x768 for your resolution rather than using 544x576 |
| [20:27:29] | sphery: | and, no, you're not doing "pixel for pixel PAL output" |
| [20:28:00] | sphery: | other than that, nothing useful in the frontend log--chances are you need a backend log to see why things are crashing |
| [20:29:50] | trumee: | sphery: not sure what you mean by that resolution. i have a better resolution on the laptop |
| [20:30:26] | trumee: | sphery: i will log a crash once my current tv program finishes :) |
| [20:30:47] | sphery: | ah, nvm--that's osd resolution since you're using Xv |
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| [20:31:33] | sphery: | you already have a backend log, right? |
| [20:31:38] | sphery: | just post that |
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| [20:32:26] | sphery: | you probably don't need any special verbose levels to see that there's a problem |
| [20:32:42] | trumee: | sphery: ok let me do that |
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| [20:34:40] | trumee: | sphery: http://www.pastie.org/pastes |
| [20:34:48] | trumee: | oh crap |
| [20:35:35] | trumee: | pastie didnt like my long file |
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| [20:37:02] | trumee: | sphery: http://pastebin.com/5nL4G8Kn |
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| [20:41:01] | sphery: | don't see anything obvious there |
| [20:41:19] | sphery: | may just be the old "crash happens" with Live TV |
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| [20:41:50] | sphery: | you do have some serious problems, though, with all those "<file> should be local, but it can not be found" errors |
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| [20:42:17] | sphery: | they look like recording files, not live tv, so ... |
| [20:42:31] | sphery: | now is probably a good time to run http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py |
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| [20:43:54] | trumee: | sphery: yup, going to do that. i will probably wipe out my recordings. have been thinking to do that in some time. thanks |
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| [22:10:24] | trumee: | sphery: ok, i deleted my database, scanned all the channels again. And now i have brand new crash |
| [22:11:03] | trumee: | sphery: here you go, http://pastebin.com/2Rs4pJFW |
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| [22:12:12] | trumee: | sphery: that happened when i changed channels. |
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