| Tuesday, December 21st, 2010, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:41] | iamlindoro: | anything is a guess without logs |
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| [00:08:48] | hipitihop: | not much in frontend log, for some reason I'm getting "sh: mplayer: not found" a few times e.g. after mythvideo scan |
| [00:09:53] | iamlindoro: | so you're trying to invoke mplayer on a system that lacks it, or it's not in the path |
| [00:10:07] | iamlindoro: | and you have mplayer associated with avis |
| [00:10:34] | iamlindoro: | The best way to solve this problem is to switch the extension to use Internal-- you shouldn't use an external player at all these days |
| [00:10:53] | iamlindoro: | Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->File Types |
| [00:10:59] | iamlindoro: | file AVI, switch the command line to "Internal" |
| [00:11:15] | iamlindoro: | with no other options, just "Internal" without quotes |
| [00:11:27] | hipitihop: | I wasn't aware I was, certainly not changed anything |
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| [00:18:26] | jya: | iamlindoro: so from the info I put, everything is properly configured? I thought I had used the incorrect key in some entries etc.. |
| [00:18:44] | iamlindoro: | Everything I saw looked correct to me |
| [00:18:59] | iamlindoro: | The cert and pk stuff is identical to what is in mine |
| [00:19:05] | iamlindoro: | though you have put yours in a different order |
| [00:19:16] | iamlindoro: | Mine is in the order of the provided template |
| [00:19:32] | iamlindoro: | can't imagine that should matter, though |
| [00:20:14] | iamlindoro: | only things that randomly occurred to me were order of the info, possible spacing of CR issues, and permissions of the file |
| [00:20:28] | iamlindoro: | BD_DEBUG_MASK=8 mythavtest bd:/media/cdrom will give you more to go on |
| [00:20:43] | jya: | will try.. |
| [00:20:54] | jya: | I'm so eager to test this... |
| [00:21:52] | hipitihop: | iamlindoro, well done, indeed avi had no player specified and default was ticked, seems defalt also point at mplayer in other mediat settings...anyway changed to internal like others and works perfect, many thanks |
| [00:22:23] | iamlindoro: | hipitihop, defaultplyer is Internal now, you should change that too |
| [00:22:40] | iamlindoro: | so that all files will use internal unless otherwise told to do so |
| [00:22:44] | iamlindoro: | anyway, glad you got it sorted out |
| [00:23:13] | hipitihop: | iamlindoro, the setting has long command and parms starting with mplayer, is that where you mean ? iow change that string to "Internal" also ? |
| [00:23:18] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [00:23:21] | elmojo: | I bet it's moments like this that make you want to tear out external player support :) |
| [00:23:22] | iamlindoro: | and yes |
| [00:23:27] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, and yes |
| [00:23:27] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [00:23:28] | hipitihop: | cool, thanks. |
| [00:24:01] | jya: | iamlindoro: I asked in #mythtv, but you probably know the answer.. is the file type supported in storage group static? |
| [00:24:15] | jya: | e.g. does it explicitely ignore .mp3 or other types like that? |
| [00:24:19] | iamlindoro: | jya, No, but I suspect it's an issue with one of the many "optimizations" of the ringbuffer |
| [00:24:27] | hipitihop: | final question, instead og linking individual files like this avi, can I link to a directory, which in turn has other ubdirs with video ? and mytht will find all when I rescan ? |
| [00:24:54] | iamlindoro: | specifically, a number were added to the RB last release by daniel that made low bitrate files file to play (there were issues with radio channels as a result) |
| [00:24:56] | ** hipitihop looks at his hands and shakes head at keyboard for typos ** | |
| [00:25:17] | iamlindoro: | hipitihop, Yes, that should work fine, just beware of recursive symlink loops |
| [00:25:29] | iamlindoro: | er files fail |
| [00:25:53] | jya: | how would it even know about the bitrate of a file ? can imagine for a videos.. but an audio one ? |
| [00:25:57] | iamlindoro: | jya, So I suspect the issue is that the RB is trying to perform some optimization that is relevant to playing video, and killing the low bitrate audio playback as a result |
| [00:26:08] | iamlindoro: | I think it makes a lot of assumptions, that's the point |
| [00:26:09] | hipitihop: | nope, just plan for one symlink to my nas which in turn will only have real sub-dirs and files avis etc |
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| [00:26:55] | iamlindoro: | could also be an issue in the mythfile wrappers for SG playback, Captain_Murdoch would be the guy to ask about that |
| [00:26:57] | jya: | hum.. that's unfortunate. I actually like using the mythvideo plugin to play music better than using mythmusic ; it's easier to browse to the file I want to play |
| [00:27:13] | iamlindoro: | Well, we should probably fix it |
| [00:27:24] | iamlindoro: | Mark did a lot of work just before .24 to make the internal player play audio-only properly |
| [00:27:44] | jya: | ok, I thought it was an easy thing to fix. I only started to play with it last night when finally I could play audio files with mythavtest |
| [00:27:46] | iamlindoro: | He had to slightly hamstring it to fix DVB audio channels, but most of the work is still there |
| [00:28:15] | jya: | iamlindoro: yeah, all I did is enable markk's code based on a setting... everything was already there |
| [00:28:16] | iamlindoro: | I know that his ultimate goal is for all audio to be played with the internal player, and for it to be able to do things like play visualizers as though they were video |
| [00:28:45] | iamlindoro: | I think the reason it was disabled was because of some DVB radio channel breakage that resulted... but he would know best, you should ask him |
| [00:28:50] | jya: | right now, it's fully disabled, and you can only play files containing both video and audio. |
| [00:28:53] | iamlindoro: | (I just don't know the specifics) |
| [00:29:02] | jya: | yeah, that's for DBT-T radio channel |
| [00:29:11] | jya: | the mheg is decoded in the video loop |
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| [00:29:39] | jya: | so if you check for a file, see that it's audio only, and disable the video for it, it break mheg decoding |
| [00:29:47] | jya: | hence it was disabled by stuartm |
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| [00:34:28] | Hilikus: | hey guys. Is there a guide to choose the best decoder settings for a particular hardware configuration? |
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| [00:35:23] | iamlindoro: | If you're using a recent nVidia card, try the VDPAU profiles. If you're not, use Slim. |
| [00:36:26] | Wicked: | hmm. is the hashing in mythvideo still a work in progress? im getting alot of failed hash attempts when its trying to reindex my movies. |
| [00:36:39] | iamlindoro: | No, it's not a work in progress |
| [00:37:01] | Wicked: | its also taking quite a bit of time...and for some movies its not even outputting a hash |
| [00:37:02] | Wicked: | hmm |
| [00:37:04] | iamlindoro: | It won't hash folders, and it won't hash empty files |
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| [00:37:18] | iamlindoro: | If it's doing the hash for the first time, it can take a few minutes |
| [00:37:19] | Wicked: | hmm. |
| [00:37:33] | iamlindoro: | It only hashes them once, so it's not like it matters |
| [00:37:44] | Wicked: | been going for about 20 mins so far and the progress bar is not even at 25% |
| [00:37:49] | Wicked: | yea. |
| [00:37:52] | iamlindoro: | don't worry about the progress bar |
| [00:38:06] | Wicked: | i was just worried because it was outputting lots of errors |
| [00:38:16] | iamlindoro: | What kinds of errors? |
| [00:38:18] | Hilikus: | iamlindoro: i have a geforce 8400GS. i don't know if that is recent to you |
| [00:38:25] | iamlindoro: | If it's failing to hash, you likely have permissions problems |
| [00:38:28] | Wicked: | 2010-12–20 19:35:22.335 MythSocket(7f1ca42c62e0:52): readStringList: Error, timed out after 30000 ms. |
| [00:38:28] | Wicked: | 2010-12–20 19:35:22.335 Remote check file hash timeout. |
| [00:38:48] | Wicked: | the user running mythtv has full access to all files in the shares |
| [00:38:57] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, That's not a hash problem, it's a "your network is too slow or your backend has fallen over" problem |
| [00:39:09] | iamlindoro: | Hilikus, VDPAU Slim or Slim, then |
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| [00:39:29] | Wicked: | i checked and everything is up and running as it should...my network usage is currently ~500kb/s on a 100mbit network. |
| [00:39:33] | Wicked: | so bw is not a issue |
| [00:39:45] | Wicked: | and i can verify that user has full read/write/execute on all the files |
| [00:39:47] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, The reason it is taking so long is that your backend is timing out-- you are running into a bottleneck *somewhere* |
| [00:39:58] | iamlindoro: | So the issue is not hashing |
| [00:40:06] | iamlindoro: | What is your version and revision? |
| [00:40:17] | Wicked: | cpu usage is less then 75% of one core. |
| [00:40:23] | ** iamlindoro gives up ** | |
| [00:40:25] | iamlindoro: | okay, good luck |
| [00:40:33] | Wicked: | ? |
| [00:40:58] | Wicked: | im just stating that things are well within the "green" zone |
| [00:41:03] | iamlindoro: | They're not |
| [00:41:19] | iamlindoro: | The message you pasted above is specifically a socket connection failure/timeout |
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| [00:41:42] | Wicked: | im sitting here looking at my network usage and the backend system usage...they *are* within the safe limits. |
| [00:41:53] | Wicked: | nothing is tapped out |
| [00:42:10] | iamlindoro: | That just means you haven't figured out what your bottleneck is yet |
| [00:42:28] | iamlindoro: | version and revision please |
| [00:42:31] | Wicked: | what could it be besides bandwidth, cpu, ram, or disk io? |
| [00:42:57] | Wicked: | 0.23 |
| [00:43:03] | Wicked: | 26863 |
| [00:43:03] | iamlindoro: | some network service which would throttle high numbers of serial connection attempts, firewall, etc. |
| [00:43:29] | iamlindoro: | [26863] |
| [00:43:29] | MythLogBot: | SVN 26863: (branch fixes/0.23) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/6263996b |
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| [00:44:28] | iamlindoro: | You can try an update to .24, some backend connection issues were fixed there, but failing that it's a bottleneck somewhere between the systems |
| [00:45:20] | Wicked: | im waiting to update to 0.24 |
| [00:45:54] | wilberfan: | i'm having a hell of a time getting my backend (so to speak!) and the database to talk to each other: http://pastebin.com/u9uxnx6N |
| [00:46:19] | wilberfan: | anyone feeling energetic and patient enough to help out this semi-noob? |
| [00:46:32] | wilberfan: | someone in archlinux said you guys were good in here... |
| [00:46:36] | Wicked: | also is it normal for it to not output the hash in the logging? |
| [00:47:06] | Wicked: | i see quite a few movies that there is no hash output for like: |
| [00:47:14] | Wicked: | 2010-12–20 19:42:54.299 Adding : : Movies/Trailer.Park.Boys.The.Movie.avi : |
| [00:47:35] | iamlindoro: | No, it's not normal-- the hash failed, as above |
| [00:47:55] | Wicked: | but for this i did not get that error |
| [00:48:02] | Wicked: | myth just output that line...no timeouts on it |
| [00:48:05] | sphery: | wilberfan: are you the guy from the users list? |
| [00:48:07] | iamlindoro: | you cannot associate one with the other |
| [00:48:22] | wilberfan: | sphery, sorry? 'users list'? |
| [00:48:36] | wilberfan: | i don't know what the users list is... |
| [00:48:39] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, The error will not necessarily come at the exact moment the other log message occurs |
| [00:49:01] | Wicked: | ah. |
| [00:49:06] | sphery: | wilberfan: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/465330#465330 |
| [00:49:15] | iamlindoro: | A file with no hash will read NULL as the hash |
| [00:49:23] | iamlindoro: | an empty field means the hash failed, as above |
| [00:49:43] | Wicked: | well im looking back over everything and i dont see anything that would be causing a bottleneck. |
| [00:49:45] | wilberfan: | sphery, that's not me, if that's what your asking... |
| [00:49:48] | Wicked: | just to double check and verify. |
| [00:49:55] | sphery: | wilberfan: i.e. that error can be caused by mysql's permissions system when you have broken name resolution on your system |
| [00:50:00] | sphery: | wilberfan: well, see the answer, there :) |
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| [00:50:07] | sphery: | same issue for both of you |
| [00:50:22] | Wicked: | i dont see anything. network is fine, cpu is fine, ram is fine, disk io is fine.... |
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| [00:50:39] | sphery: | wilberfan: "I added skip-name-resolve under [mysqld] in my.cnf and restarted the mysqld using the init script, and viola, it worked." |
| [00:52:25] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, Minimally you should at least get to current .23-fixes |
| [00:53:00] | Wicked: | iamlindoro, how far behind is mine? im using the mythbuntu repo |
| [00:53:01] | iamlindoro: | Though none of the commits since will be relevant |
| [00:53:30] | sphery: | wilberfan: can also be caused by firewalls, etc... |
| [00:53:57] | sphery: | or doing crazy things with mysql proxies/port forwarding |
| [00:53:58] | wilberfan: | i haven't installed any firewalls....does xfce install one?? |
| [00:54:08] | wilberfan: | that skip-name-resolve thing didn't help... |
| [00:54:21] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, Not that far, but you really need to be on our current release for me to be able to help you much-- there are some fixes there which could potentially be relevant, but if you won't update, there's not much I can do |
| [00:54:38] | sphery: | wilberfan: tcp wrappers? |
| [00:54:40] | ** kormoc twacks git's cherrypicking with a crowbar ** | |
| [00:54:53] | wilberfan: | sphery, i don't think so (never heard of those) |
| [00:54:58] | kormoc: | xfce is a window manager, it doesn't do anything with firewalls... |
| [00:55:08] | wilberfan: | i meant when I installed the package... |
| [00:55:19] | Wicked: | yea. i cant update now. unfortunately i and the others in my house use xbmc which does not yet support the protocol changes(at least in the current "dharma" branch) |
| [00:56:11] | wilberfan: | anyone up for walking me through this...?? |
| [00:56:13] | Wicked: | eek. almost every file now is failing to hash....how can i stop the updating process? |
| [00:56:27] | sphery: | wilberfan: i.e. if tcp wrappers is causing it, you can fix it by adding an appropriate entry to /etc/hosts.allow for mysqld. |
| [00:56:30] | iamlindoro: | kill the frontend |
| [00:56:43] | Wicked: | that wont fubar the database? |
| [00:57:17] | kormoc: | Beirdo, what am I doing wrong? http://mythtv.pastebin.com/E8q59mJD |
| [00:57:24] | wilberfan: | sphery, any idea what an appropriate entry would look like? |
| [00:57:24] | kormoc: | or any other git experts (xris?) |
| [00:57:29] | sphery: | wilberfan: but the problem is that /something/ on your network is causing a failure when MySQL is trying to do normal things that are required in its job (things like looking up host names for the privilege system, communicating via the network, ...) |
| [00:57:45] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [00:57:51] | wilberfan: | sphery, is there a port i need to open in the router, or..? |
| [00:58:03] | sphery: | so it's way below MythTV--and, really, even below MySQL |
| [00:58:23] | wilberfan: | my hosts.allow is: "sshd: 192.168.0." and that's it... |
| [00:58:23] | sphery: | wilberfan: "mysqld : ALL" would work, but should be modified to work for your network |
| [00:58:47] | sphery: | look in /etc/hosts.allow and you probably can guess what you need to add for a mysqld line |
| [00:59:36] | Wicked: | http://pastebin.com/8L4mf26A |
| [01:00:44] | wilberfan: | sphery, would this work: "mysqld: 192.168.0" |
| [01:00:59] | wilberfan: | with a period at the end... |
| [01:01:44] | wilberfan: | well, answered my own question: "no" |
| [01:02:23] | sphery: | did you restart mysqld and the client program (mythtv programs) |
| [01:02:58] | Beirdo: | kormoc: looks OK, did you do a git log after? |
| [01:02:58] | wilberfan: | it DID connect when I changed it to mysqld : ALL .... |
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| [01:03:18] | Beirdo: | that nothing to commit is rather odd though |
| [01:03:34] | kormoc: | aye, it shows it commited, but no changes |
| [01:03:37] | sphery: | wilberfan: ah, then try: mysqld: 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 |
| [01:03:39] | kormoc: | which is not what I want |
| [01:03:51] | sphery: | wilberfan: which should be like mysqld: 192.168.0. |
| [01:03:56] | hipitihop: | iamlindoro, directory symlink works fine, and easy enough to navigate subdirs in mythvideo.. thanks for your help |
| [01:04:12] | sphery: | wilberfan: and if it doesn't, add: mysqld: 127.0.0.1 |
| [01:04:18] | Beirdo: | kormoc: seems you may have already had that commit on the fixes/0.24 branch then |
| [01:04:33] | iamlindoro: | hipitihop, np |
| [01:04:45] | kormoc: | ... |
| [01:04:52] | kormoc: | how'd that happen? |
| [01:05:04] | sphery: | wilberfan: and one you get it fixed, replying to that thread I quoted and telling perind.sako how you fixed it would be wonderfully nice |
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| [01:05:42] | Beirdo: | not sure. and it seems to be in the history twice (or the same commit message anyways in master (or whatever you were in before switching to fixes/0.24 |
| [01:05:42] | Wicked: | bah oh well. ill stick with xbmc for videos still....its failing to add the majority of my files :( |
| [01:05:43] | sphery: | wilberfan: also probably want to undo the other changes you tried, like the skip-name-resolve |
| [01:05:54] | wilberfan: | sphery, the 192.168.0.0/255... thing didn't work... |
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| [01:06:08] | sphery: | wilberfan: try with that plus the 127.0.0.1 line |
| [01:06:10] | sphery: | i.e. 2 lines |
| [01:06:53] | wagnerrp: | why do we call 'SHOW PROCESSLIST' from the command line mysql client? |
| [01:07:08] | wilberfan: | sphery, the "2-lines' option worked... |
| [01:07:10] | wilberfan: | :-) |
| [01:07:34] | sphery: | wilberfan: can you reply to that thread on the -users list and help that guy? |
| [01:07:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: because it's a hack of an approach to see if there are any clients using the mysql db that we're considering upgrading |
| [01:08:49] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Nigel had some reason he had to do it that way instead of using Qt's MySQL code (and it may have been as simple as his not being able to figure out how to read that info properly from Qt-MySQL) |
| [01:09:15] | wilberfan: | sphery, i will... but first i wanna undo that other change we made...what was it? |
| [01:09:26] | sphery: | if I knew it was his not knowing, I could change it to use Qt-MySQL in about 30secs |
| [01:09:39] | sphery: | 12.20 20:05:43 <+sphery> wilberfan: also probably want to undo the other changes you tried, like the skip-name-resolve |
| [01:09:55] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: that call fails for me 100% of the time, BTW |
| [01:09:55] | wilberfan: | right.... i'm trying to rememer which file that was in... |
| [01:10:12] | sphery: | my.cnf |
| [01:10:42] | wilberfan: | riiiiiiiight...... |
| [01:10:54] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: yeah, was about to mention that... :) |
| [01:11:26] | Beirdo: | seems "full privileges on mythconverg.*" is not enough for a processlist, which makes snes |
| [01:11:29] | Beirdo: | sense |
| [01:11:37] | sphery: | heh, well, IIRC the value is only used to display, "There are currently X clients using the database..." or something to that effect |
| [01:11:57] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [01:12:01] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: any suggestions? just roll the schema forward manually? |
| [01:12:14] | Beirdo: | although it's used also in mythshutdown |
| [01:12:33] | sphery: | Beirdo: I have GRANT ALL on mythconverg.* for my user and it works for me |
| [01:12:39] | kormoc: | Beirdo, aye, same commit message is okay. I missed the deleted files the first time (git add . missed them) |
| [01:13:08] | wilberfan: | sphery, yikes... i'm already registered at that site.... |
| [01:13:36] | wilberfan: | is that the mailing list archive specifically for mythtv, or...? |
| [01:13:42] | sphery: | Beirdo: (technically, I have exactly GRANT ALL and GRANT CREATE TEMPORARY TABLES, but ALL includes CREATE TEMPORARY TABLES, so it's redundant--I have only the privileges given by mc.sql for my mythtv users) |
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| [01:14:05] | wagnerrp: | sphery: here, its actually trying to access the database 'processlist' |
| [01:14:07] | sphery: | wilberfan: there are many different lists archived at gossamer |
| [01:14:22] | wagnerrp: | ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'10.254.1.31' to database 'PROCESSLIST |
| [01:14:33] | wilberfan: | ah... i probably joined the mythtv a couple of years ago when I first tried myth |
| [01:15:27] | wagnerrp: | OH! |
| [01:15:32] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: needs to be quoted |
| [01:16:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: using: mysql -h<hostname> -umythtv -pmythtv -e"SHOW PROCESSLIST" |
| [01:16:08] | wilberfan: | sphery, do i just e-mail a reply with the thread as subject? |
| [01:16:15] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [01:16:18] | sphery: | you guys figured it out |
| [01:16:36] | kormoc: | sphery, latest 0.24-fixes mythweb no longer has the ipod template, so issues with that should disappear |
| [01:17:02] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, saw your hacking and slashing your way through the cherry orchard :) |
| [01:17:18] | k-man: | mythcenter theme seems to require a font called thorndale, which afaict, is a propriatry font |
| [01:17:20] | sphery: | weren't there one or more tickets for that? |
| [01:18:04] | kormoc: | sphery, I think so |
| [01:18:33] | sphery: | wilberfan: are you subscribed to the mythtv users list? |
| [01:18:54] | wilberfan: | can't remember... certainly haven't seen any email from that in a LONG time... |
| [01:19:05] | wilberfan: | but i'm registered at gossamer... |
| [01:19:14] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: Coool :) |
| [01:19:20] | sphery: | wilberfan: does gossamer have a way to reply? |
| [01:19:30] | wilberfan: | doesn't seem to... |
| [01:19:37] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: testing it... will push momentarily |
| [01:20:35] | k-man: | can't seem to find a ticket regarding the thorndale font |
| [01:20:57] | sphery: | wilberfan: to send e-mail to the -users list, you'll have to be a subscribed user... there's at least one archive in existence that lets people with accounts at the archive send e-mails to the lists through the archive, but I have no idea which one it is |
| [01:22:26] | sphery: | k-man: mythcenter uses a lot of proprietary fonts--it requires the ms core web fonts |
| [01:22:37] | wagnerrp: | sphery: that sounds... awful |
| [01:23:16] | k-man: | sphery: but those fonts are free to use? (not sure of the exact license) but thorndale costs money i thikn |
| [01:23:20] | k-man: | think |
| [01:23:27] | sphery: | mythcenter-wide was changed to use a slew of different, hard-to-find non-proprietary fonts in the spirit of "MOAR FONTZ IZ BETTA" |
| [01:24:32] | sphery: | k-man: well, then you have some options: a) buy the font, b) use whatever font your X font replacement rules end up giving you or c) use a real theme :) |
| [01:24:50] | kormoc: | so googletv sees our upnp server but can't play back any of the videos as they're expecting a different mimetype then we're sending evidently |
| [01:25:01] | k-man: | well, unfortunately i am still on 4:3 SD tv |
| [01:25:11] | k-man: | and mythcenter is the best choice i find |
| [01:25:11] | Shadow__X: | kormoc: so it needs to be transcoded? |
| [01:25:22] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: no go, its still waiting on something else |
| [01:25:33] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, not mine (hdpvr h264), but changing the mimetype should do the trick |
| [01:25:45] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, but anything other then h264 will have to be transcoded, yes |
| [01:25:47] | wagnerrp: | can i 'cout << ' a QByteArray? |
| [01:25:51] | sphery: | k-man: perfect motivation to make the first non-child, real, designed-for-mythui theme from scratch :) |
| [01:26:30] | Shadow__X: | kormoc: oh ok hmm you would think it would handle more than just what the hdpvr spits out but, i guess that it was more designed for web stuff |
| [01:27:00] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, it supports h263 and msmpeg4, but they're even less common then h264 |
| [01:27:10] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, yeah, sucks that it doesn't support mpeg2 at all |
| [01:27:18] | k-man: | sphery: yeah, great idea! |
| [01:27:35] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you testing that on the mythsystem branch? |
| [01:27:43] | Beirdo: | it runs fine there |
| [01:27:44] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [01:27:52] | Beirdo: | just gets permission denied on the process list |
| [01:27:57] | wagnerrp: | it runs fine, and exists |
| [01:27:59] | wagnerrp: | but then stalls |
| [01:28:11] | Shadow__X: | yeah. Although there might be a way to use some of the libs that certain players (rock player iirc) and be able to decode it as it is running android |
| [01:29:06] | wagnerrp: | yeah... guess its not that call |
| [01:29:10] | Beirdo: | stalls where, and what are you running in? |
| [01:29:18] | wagnerrp: | because when it was failing, it would have returned immediately |
| [01:29:21] | sphery: | k-man: you could edit the font to not use Thorndale, but hacks like that are what make MythCenter* such broken themes--they were designed using one theme engine, with the limitations of that theme engine a major part of the design, and for use with one set of fonts, which necessarily define the size required for elements within the theme, so when something as "small" as a font is changed, it has an effect that's propogated ... |
| [01:29:22] | Beirdo: | I did test that that call will return correctly |
| [01:29:28] | sphery: | ... throughout the entire theme |
| [01:29:33] | Beirdo: | just it always failed in mysql for me |
| [01:29:39] | wagnerrp: | it hangs at whatever immediately follows that |
| [01:29:54] | Beirdo: | [1830659.911977] scsi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access Google, Inc.Nexus One PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 |
| [01:29:57] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [01:30:24] | Beirdo: | what are you running though? which app, and how are you hitting that code? |
| [01:30:44] | Beirdo: | just trying to determine if you are hitting it differently than I was |
| [01:31:23] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup |
| [01:31:32] | sphery: | k-man: so, basically, I hate MythCenter* (and all the other "ported to mythui" themes) because, IMHO, they're the equivalent of taking a program designed to be written in, and written in, COBOL and doing a line-by-line conversion to C++. The end result is a terrible, ugly mess, that could have been avoided, and would have resulted in a much better end result, and likely would have been as easy or easier, by starting from ... |
| [01:31:32] | k-man: | sphery: yeah, its nasty |
| [01:31:36] | Beirdo: | ah. |
| [01:31:38] | sphery: | ... scratch and designing from scratch in mythui--even if you make the theme use the same look and feel |
| [01:31:55] | Beirdo: | OK, pretty sure that's how I got there too, and it was working. |
| [01:32:08] | wagnerrp: | thought it might be opengl, but does the same thing with ThemePainter=qt |
| [01:32:21] | k-man: | sphery: i'll add that to the mythical sunday project list |
| [01:32:38] | sphery: | I'd have no problem with a mythcenter-look-alike designed from scratch for mythui, but if you're designing from scratch, you'd probably want to make something much better than mythcenter :) |
| [01:32:41] | Beirdo: | I can take another look when I get home tonight, but that won't be for a while as I'm going to the narnia movie |
| [01:33:02] | wagnerrp: | simple fix, let the backend do the upgrade itself |
| [01:33:04] | sphery: | and you can, now, since mythui is 1 milllllllllllion times better than the old theming engine |
| [01:33:07] | Beirdo: | which starts at 8 :) |
| [01:33:15] | k-man: | sphery: i actually like mythcenter – i tend to prefer concise layout over the fancy stuff |
| [01:33:24] | sphery: | mythui doesn't mean fance |
| [01:33:28] | sphery: | fancy... |
| [01:33:33] | Beirdo: | heh, I may have tested it in the backend code though, not sure |
| [01:33:46] | wagnerrp: | no, backend hangs there too |
| [01:33:47] | sphery: | I can't wait until MythLite (or whatever it's called) is released |
| [01:33:54] | k-man: | yeah, i know, i was just saying i prefer the basicy layout of mythcenter to any of the other current themse that i have looked at |
| [01:34:08] | sphery: | it will prove that you can do something a lot cleaner, crisper, and more concise in mythui than you could in the old engine |
| [01:34:09] | k-man: | but bear in mind I don't have an HD TV |
| [01:34:23] | k-man: | oh? mythlite? whats that? |
| [01:34:38] | Beirdo: | myth with less alcohol and no taste? |
| [01:34:50] | sphery: | yeah, for SDTV there are additional design considerations--and you would design the theme accordingly--but you could still do much better than mythcenter :) |
| [01:35:10] | sphery: | it's a theme one of the themers was working on that was about as minimal as you could go |
| [01:35:22] | sphery: | without leaving out stuff that's required for usability |
| [01:35:33] | sphery: | I think he got caught up in real life, though |
| [01:35:40] | Beirdo: | Well, make it to fit your aesthetic taste. |
| [01:36:26] | k-man: | google provided me a screen shot: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/3/2010-04-02 |
| [01:36:28] | Beirdo: | mythcenter is more of a hodge-podge than anything |
| [01:36:49] | sphery: | yeah |
| [01:37:03] | sphery: | definitely very concise |
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| [01:37:57] | wagnerrp: | looks a lot like LCARS |
| [01:38:11] | wagnerrp: | without the LCARS background |
| [01:38:27] | sphery: | his plan was to do it with no images at all |
| [01:39:54] | sphery: | IIRC |
| [01:40:08] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, I can't figure out interactive git commits... am I supposed to be able to pick out the hunks I want committed? |
| [01:40:14] | k-man: | is there any source for it anywhere? |
| [01:40:17] | ** wagnerrp is a bad boy ** | |
| [01:40:19] | k-man: | who was doing it? |
| [01:40:40] | wagnerrp: | k-man: the same guy who did LCARS |
| [01:40:44] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [01:40:45] | k-man: | mag0o? |
| [01:40:48] | iamlindoro: | the same guy who did childish |
| [01:40:53] | k-man: | http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/3/2010-04-02 |
| [01:41:07] | wagnerrp: | i really need to remember this.... |
| [01:41:19] | wagnerrp: | does it just look similar because of the font? |
| [01:41:44] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: its definitely something in the schema update chain |
| [01:41:54] | wagnerrp: | manually forwarding the schema 'fixes' it |
| [01:44:00] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: could it just be a super slow backup? |
| [01:44:18] | ** iamlindoro gives up, goes off to figure it out himself ** | |
| [01:44:36] | wilberfan: | i just got a 'bad confirmation string' message trying to join the mythtv mailing list? |
| [01:44:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: what's up with schema update? |
| [01:44:43] | wilberfan: | should I take it personally? |
| [01:44:46] | wilberfan: | ;) |
| [01:44:49] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: sorry, missed you there |
| [01:45:01] | Beirdo: | if you do git add -i |
| [01:45:04] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: no, mythconverg_backup.pl ran, and exited cleanly |
| [01:45:08] | Beirdo: | you can then choose the hunks |
| [01:45:14] | Beirdo: | with p (IIRC) |
| [01:45:17] | iamlindoro: | I don't want to add, I want to commit |
| [01:45:31] | wagnerrp: | you want to commit? or you want to push? |
| [01:45:35] | iamlindoro: | commit |
| [01:45:38] | iamlindoro: | I want to commit |
| [01:45:40] | Beirdo: | it asks which file... then you say which parts of the changes you want to commit |
| [01:45:43] | wilberfan: | nevermind... i must have tried to use it more than once... |
| [01:45:43] | iamlindoro: | I, iamlindoro, want to commit |
| [01:45:45] | Beirdo: | to commit, you must add |
| [01:45:50] | iamlindoro: | why would I need to add? |
| [01:46:04] | iamlindoro: | I wouldn't need to add if I wanted to push all my changes, why do I have to do it now? |
| [01:46:13] | Beirdo: | yes you would |
| [01:46:17] | iamlindoro: | no, I wouldn't |
| [01:46:19] | iamlindoro: | since I never have |
| [01:46:23] | iamlindoro: | and have managed to commit plenty |
| [01:46:39] | Beirdo: | git commit -a tells it to add all changes, then commit |
| [01:46:45] | Beirdo: | you HAVE to add to commit |
| [01:46:49] | iamlindoro: | I've never run that command |
| [01:47:00] | iamlindoro: | git commit . |
| [01:47:05] | wagnerrp: | sphery: it stalls at some point after running DBUtil::CountClients, but before hitting another VERBOSE call |
| [01:48:02] | Beirdo: | listing files/directories on the commit command line is pretty much the same as doing add then commit |
| [01:48:19] | Beirdo: | anyways... |
| [01:49:02] | iamlindoro: | So... How do I do what I want to do? |
| [01:49:19] | iamlindoro: | Since interactive mode isn't making any sense to me |
| [01:49:54] | iamlindoro: | I just want to see all the hinks and pick which ones I want |
| [01:49:57] | iamlindoro: | er hunks |
| [01:50:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh: // QSqlQuery doesn't know how to parse the results of "SHOW PROCESSLIST", so instead of a nice query.next loop, we have to do it in a hacky way |
| [01:50:10] | sphery: | I can change that so you guys don't have to worry about it |
| [01:50:14] | Beirdo: | git add -p git add -i and then go to p |
| [01:50:25] | sphery: | i.e. it will work with QSqlQuery |
| [01:50:42] | Beirdo: | and once you've chosen all the stuff you want to commit, you do git commit |
| [01:50:44] | sphery: | don't know if changing it now will make more or less work for you |
| [01:52:29] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, What do I do in the p menu? |
| [01:52:51] | iamlindoro: | I can't even tell what I'm looking at here |
| [01:53:05] | iamlindoro: | And people think *our* software is unintuitive crap |
| [01:53:36] | Beirdo: | it will show you a list of files that have been changed |
| [01:53:48] | Beirdo: | you tell it which one(s) you want to take hunks from |
| [01:53:48] | iamlindoro: | It's showing me a partial list |
| [01:54:00] | iamlindoro: | No, I did that |
| [01:54:04] | iamlindoro: | I told it which hunks I wanted |
| [01:54:07] | iamlindoro: | then ran git add -i |
| [01:54:10] | iamlindoro: | and went to p |
| [01:54:21] | iamlindoro: | now I'm looking at some random list of files and have no idea what to do |
| [01:54:40] | Beirdo: | if you already told it which hunks you want, via git add -p, or whatever... you don't need to do it again |
| [01:54:48] | Beirdo: | git diff --staged |
| [01:54:54] | iamlindoro: | git add -p git add -i and then go to p |
| [01:54:57] | iamlindoro: | That's what you said |
| [01:55:00] | iamlindoro: | so one or the other, or...? |
| [01:55:20] | Beirdo: | I coulda sworn I had an "or" in there |
| [01:55:25] | Beirdo: | sorry, bad fingers |
| [01:55:32] | iamlindoro: | ok, I get you now |
| [01:55:43] | iamlindoro: | I still don't know how I would have done the latter, but I'll take what I can get |
| [01:57:02] | k-man: | is there any software tools to aid in the creation of themes? |
| [01:57:20] | iamlindoro: | inkscape, emacs |
| [01:57:25] | nutron: | k-man: gimp, blender, gvim, inkscape |
| [01:57:29] | nutron: | iamlindoro: bah! |
| [01:57:33] | nutron: | my list was bigger |
| [01:57:40] | iamlindoro: | and gimp only if absolutely necessary |
| [01:58:16] | k-man: | nutron: i was more thinking along the lines of something that could create all the basic files you need and fill in some blanks to help you get started |
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| [01:58:24] | wagnerrp: | i hear emacs has a photoshop clone if you fine the write control command sequence |
| [01:58:56] | wagnerrp: | bleh |
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| [01:58:58] | wagnerrp: | find the right |
| [01:59:05] | nutron: | k-man: there's a basic one you can start from, I froget where to find it, but overall you can just take a theme and look at how it's structured. |
| [02:00:02] | nutron: | Speaking of themes, I wonder what kind of attribution/permission is required for background images that can be found all over the net to include in a theme. Is there a discussion on the legalities in the mailing list? |
| [02:00:40] | iamlindoro: | You need to have an image that is licensed compatibly for distribution, or permission to distribute it, or you can't use it |
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| [02:01:54] | nutron: | iamlindoro: aye, I know that, it's just that most I've run into don't have any information on who's it is/where it came from and how to get permission... Hence, extremely difficult to find something suitable. |
| [02:02:11] | iamlindoro: | That's correct, if you can't track the license, you can't use it |
| [02:02:23] | kormoc: | nutron, flickr allows you to search by license |
| [02:02:25] | iamlindoro: | so you need to use sources which have good license/lineage info |
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| [02:05:03] | nutron: | kormoc: Yeah I've looked at flickr, also digitalblasphemy has some good stuff for ideas to go from. How does google manage the risks? Publising other people's work, can't myth state "yoinked from whatever.com"? |
| [02:05:20] | iamlindoro: | There are a number of very good stock photo sites which have nothing but Creative Commons content |
| [02:05:25] | nutron: | rather, can't the theme state? |
| [02:05:38] | kormoc: | nutron, Google's not publishing, they're indexing and linking to the works and the website can tell google not to index it if they want |
| [02:05:55] | nutron: | Right, figured I'd got that wrong :) |
| [02:08:56] | sphery: | k-man: I'm guessing by now, someone has linked you to the wiki docs that iamlindoro worked hard to keep updated, right? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI |
| [02:09:09] | ** sphery hasn't been following closely ** | |
| [02:10:21] | wilberfan: | bbl dudes (and dudettes)... |
| [02:10:33] | wilberfan: | thanks for all the help... probably more questions tomorrow... |
| [02:10:40] | nutron: | hmm I can't find a stock photo site with creative commons licensed images... is my google-fu broken? Did someone steal my mojo? |
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| [02:11:44] | iamlindoro: | http://www.imageafter.com/ http://www.morguefile.com/ |
| [02:11:46] | iamlindoro: | among many others |
| [02:12:11] | wagnerrp: | everyone knows dead bodies make the best backgrounds |
| [02:12:40] | iamlindoro: | That's why I head to create that blurry background |
| [02:12:45] | iamlindoro: | to keep the children safe |
| [02:12:57] | wagnerrp: | no body, just a head? |
| [02:13:02] | wagnerrp: | gruesome |
| [02:13:03] | iamlindoro: | What's in the boooooooox? |
| [02:14:14] | nutron: | hah! everystockphoto linked me to flickr ... again .. oh well one of the more popular images is "hot lesbians" which is nothing but two fully clothed females... boooring. Though hey, that gives me an idea... |
| [02:15:17] | kormoc: | fully clothed is not always boring http://j.mp/hnOOYO |
| [02:15:31] | wagnerrp: | dare i click? |
| [02:15:31] | kormoc: | such a college classic |
| [02:15:45] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I'm sure you've seen it a ton of times before |
| [02:15:58] | wagnerrp: | thats considered fully clothed? |
| [02:16:03] | iamlindoro: | Tatu! |
| [02:16:08] | nutron: | Yum yum. |
| [02:16:15] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, much more then a beach |
| [02:16:37] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but theres just something... different... between underwear and a bikini |
| [02:17:43] | nutron: | Yeah I don't swim in the pool in my tighty whities... |
| [02:18:11] | kormoc: | prude! |
| [02:18:47] | nutron: | so apparently all the "free" images on flickr are all about ***inas |
| [02:19:06] | nutron: | that still gives me an idea |
| [02:19:08] | nutron: | =D |
| [02:20:13] | iamlindoro: | Whatever your idea is, it'd better be a 4:# theme |
| [02:20:15] | iamlindoro: | er 4:3 |
| [02:20:22] | iamlindoro: | because I don't want any part of vagina-wide |
| [02:20:34] | nutron: | LOL! |
| [02:22:19] | sphery: | So, very impressed with wilberfan... Not only was he accepting of help--and wasn't rude to people helping him--but he also went out of his way to subscribe to the -users list to "reply" to the thread where another guy had the same problem and provide the answer |
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| [02:24:33] | nutron: | wash everyone just make love fun times with tv of mythical beings and babies make produce much fun |
| [02:25:14] | nutron: | thanks for the links iamlindoro, google never found these sites for me |
| [02:25:20] | nutron: | cool stuff |
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| [02:26:53] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [02:35:15] | knightr: | kormoc, Hi! Is it possible that the fix for http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9315 wasn't pushed? We see the Tac entry but not the commit on github... |
| [02:36:17] | knightr: | s/Tac/Trac |
| [02:36:54] | kormoc: | whoops, aye, I forgot to push |
| [02:37:01] | sphery: | knightr: heh, I was just about to ask the same |
| [02:37:07] | kormoc: | there you go |
| [02:37:17] | sphery: | spent a few minutes blaming my github fu |
| [02:37:25] | sphery: | then saw you mention it here :) |
| [02:37:51] | sphery: | and what's up with my github login timing out after a couple days... |
| [02:38:05] | knightr: | sphery, Hi! I thought it could be a ML problem but I checked the archives and on github as well... |
| [02:38:09] | knightr: | kormoc, thanks! |
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| [03:33:28] | ** iamlindoro does so enjoy when kormoc fixes every ticket in trac in one night ** | |
| [03:34:55] | kormoc: | Heh :) |
| [03:37:22] | elmojo: | kormoc: you seem to really be enjoying git tonight... it's good to see |
| [03:37:40] | kormoc: | Yeah... enjoying... |
| [03:43:05] | kormoc: | Beirdo, Re http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9266 , do you still plan on updating that patch? |
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| [04:23:47] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, So the google tv overscan configuration wizard is pretty good actually. It's a black box with thick blue borders. You enlarge the black box until all the blue disappears. It's a bit easier to understand then our current style with the arrows. just a note incase you mess with that bit :) |
| [04:26:18] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, I intend to, I'll have a look, thanks |
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| [04:32:22] | wagnerrp: | uh oh... ticket #2923 has been postponed |
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| [04:36:54] | ** kormoc shifty eyes ** | |
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| [04:40:58] | wagnerrp: | i dont get it... virtual desktops are great, and even using opengl for accelerated scaling and compositing makes sense |
| [04:41:07] | wagnerrp: | but why do people think they need to put it on a rotating cube? |
| [04:41:55] | [R]: | cuz its l33t |
| [04:42:09] | wagnerrp: | its l33tarded |
| [04:42:45] | [R]: | THERE'S NO HOPE... WITH DOPE. |
| [04:42:53] | [R]: | i love this episode of saved by the bell |
| [04:43:21] | wagnerrp: | that was awful |
| [04:43:26] | [R]: | haha |
| [04:43:29] | wagnerrp: | no one likes bad 80s anti-drug slogans |
| [04:43:35] | [R]: | it was 90s |
| [04:43:50] | wagnerrp: | no one likes bad anti-drug slogans |
| [04:43:54] | [R]: | haha |
| [04:45:01] | [R]: | so i printed this like 300 page spec at work today |
| [04:45:10] | [R]: | and halfway through it this guy was like "you know we have a printshop right?" |
| [04:45:11] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:45:25] | xtort-: | I remember printshop |
| [04:45:58] | [R]: | not the program... |
| [04:47:02] | xtort-: | I know, I'm being retarded |
| [04:47:08] | ** wagnerrp now has an effective resolution just shy of 26Mpx ** | |
| [04:47:55] | [R]: | bleh, i have to call an FAE tomorrow... i hate it when i can't figure things out :( |
| [04:48:10] | wagnerrp: | fae? |
| [04:48:15] | [R]: | field applications engineer |
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| [04:48:36] | [R]: | i can't figure out how to make this stupid dev board to work :( |
| [04:49:00] | floppyears: | hi guys, I'm playing a bit with mythnetvision. I know it's in beta right now, have you guys seen/heard of issues where the flash player window is verry narrow? |
| [04:49:13] | floppyears: | it's a couple of inches wide in the tv |
| [04:50:24] | sphery: | floppyears: what site? could just be that site uses X x Y pixels and your screen is >> wider than X pixels and >> taller than Y pixels |
| [04:50:52] | sphery: | so I recommend trying it in a different browser--like firefox or whatever |
| [04:51:10] | floppyears: | sphery: pbs |
| [04:51:23] | floppyears: | and the bbc player as well |
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| [04:52:34] | floppyears: | sphery: in mythnetvision are play/pause supported or is it just play right now? |
| [04:53:05] | wagnerrp: | in trunk or 0.24? |
| [04:53:08] | floppyears: | 0.24 |
| [04:53:19] | sphery: | pretty sure it's just a browser when it's playing stuff that's provided through flash |
| [04:53:29] | sphery: | so whatever works in a browser should work |
| [04:53:29] | floppyears: | cool, thx |
| [04:53:30] | wagnerrp: | play only, any further control must be done manually with mouse/keyboard |
| [04:53:43] | sphery: | using the mouse, like a normal browser :) |
| [04:53:55] | [R]: | trunk has some kind of crazy javascript stuff |
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| [05:04:44] | Wicked: | anyone know if i can use a hauppauge remote with a mce receiver? my mce remote just fried and due to the holidays i litterally have 0 extra dollars for a new remote |
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| [05:05:34] | Wicked: | the mce reciever has a light on it that lights up when i press a button on the hauppauge remote which means it sees something...but i dont know if its able to make sense of it |
| [05:06:50] | sphery: | IIRC, Hauppauge remotes use RC-5 and MCE receiver uses RC-6--but I don't know anything about either remote so I may be way off |
| [05:07:41] | Wicked: | ah. |
| [05:07:49] | Wicked: | welp this stink lol. |
| [05:08:01] | Wicked: | getting up to adjust volume or change channels is less then fun |
| [05:08:09] | Wicked: | lol |
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| [05:09:02] | floppyears: | Wicked: you can always use irw and see what type of keypress the receiver is getting? |
| [05:09:25] | Wicked: | floppyears, yea....its not outputting anything |
| [05:09:42] | Wicked: | i even tried copying the hauppauge lircd conf over and it still is not working |
| [05:10:21] | sphery: | Wicked: look on the 2 different remotes (including the broken mce remote)--around/in/... the battery cover--for a sticker... it may say which protocol it uses\ |
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| [05:10:55] | Wicked: | mce = rc6 |
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| [05:10:57] | Wicked: | says on it |
| [05:11:03] | sphery: | and the hauppauge? |
| [05:11:04] | Wicked: | from googling it looks like my remote is rc5 |
| [05:11:06] | Wicked: | :| |
| [05:11:16] | Wicked: | so i guess that means they will not work together |
| [05:11:25] | sphery: | yeah, I don't think I've ever heard of an rc6 hauppauge... |
| [05:11:34] | sphery: | don't know if there's any way to make them change |
| [05:11:39] | sphery: | or compatible |
| [05:11:50] | sphery: | could always do the homebrew receiver thing |
| [05:12:10] | sphery: | or select overnight shipping at amazon for the new remote/receiver combo :) |
| [05:12:22] | Wicked: | yea. i have no idea what im gonna do. i dont even have 5 extra dollars |
| [05:12:39] | Wicked: | oh well |
| [05:12:43] | sphery: | wireless keyboard? |
| [05:13:03] | sphery: | not ideal, but works in a pinch (I use it when I'm recharging the batteries for my remote) |
| [05:13:37] | Wicked: | yea i dont have that |
| [05:13:55] | Wicked: | hmm. iirc there was some projects to do with using a smartphone as a remote |
| [05:14:06] | Wicked: | i got a droid2...maybe something like that would work for temporary use |
| [05:14:27] | sphery: | think it's mythdroid |
| [05:14:32] | sphery: | don't know how useful it is |
| [05:14:51] | Wicked: | yea |
| [05:15:00] | Wicked: | i also used something with my old blackberry a while ago |
| [05:15:05] | Wicked: | over bluetooth |
| [05:15:16] | Wicked: | was kinda mcguiverish but it worked |
| [05:24:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Wicked: mythmote works as a remote, but not streaming. |
| [05:24:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | Wicked: mythdroid apparently does streaming – I haven't dove into it yet... (I've had a Droid "1" since January too...) |
| [05:25:22] | Wicked: | ah. im trying to remember what i previously used. i had contected the dev via email...trying to track that down now |
| [05:26:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | Wicked: If it was a *long* time ago, it was probably "Mythstreamtv", which was last updated for 0.19... and doesn't work for anything since... (at least in it's 0.19 form) |
| [05:26:32] | Wicked: | i *think* it was freemote |
| [05:26:48] | Wicked: | yea |
| [05:26:49] | Wicked: | http://www.accentual.com/freemote/ |
| [05:27:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | ah. Well, 'mythmote' works 'out of the box' and is on the market, so it's quick to install. ;-) |
| [05:27:06] | Wicked: | awesome |
| [05:27:13] | Wicked: | thats what i need for tonight :) |
| [05:27:26] | Wicked: | im gonna go play around with it. thanks guys :) |
| [05:27:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | Wicked: All you need is the 'network control' interface enabled... |
| [05:28:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | And if you're running a firewall, probably to poke a hole in it.... otherwise it'll work just by giving mythmote your frontend's IP address. |
| [05:29:07] | Wicked: | ah |
| [05:29:08] | Wicked: | ok. |
| [05:29:30] | Wicked: | im gonna finish eating then set this up. it looks to be simple enough |
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| [06:06:18] | dougt: | from a myth plugin, can i directly use faab? |
| [06:06:42] | dougt: | or is there a more kosher appoach? maybe like using the AudioOutput class? |
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| [06:38:21] | Hadaka: | okay, my problem: I put a lot of information correct for a lot of video files in the video library, but mythvideo lost all that data, even though I didn't rename the files |
| [06:38:48] | Hadaka: | What I happened to do, though, is scan for changes in the video library when the corresponding partition was not mounted |
| [06:39:19] | Hadaka: | So, does mythtv delete stuff completely from the video library if a certain file cannot be found on the video scan? |
| [06:39:30] | wagnerrp: | if you scan for videos, and the videos are not accessible for whatever reason, they will be removed from the library |
| [06:40:51] | Hadaka: | that's a real bummer |
| [06:41:03] | wagnerrp: | you have two options, either recover your database from a backup |
| [06:41:31] | wagnerrp: | or instead, put that information on thetvdb.com, so if you ever lose it again, mythtv will automatically pull it back in when you rescan the videos back in |
| [06:43:01] | Hadaka: | I guess it's not possible, but I'll ask anyway: is there any way to put that information on the filesystem adjacent to the video files? That way I could be certain not to lose the information anymore? I don't need it editable, just as long as I can set the information myself somehow |
| [06:43:33] | wagnerrp: | such an XML format has been discussed for years, but never implemented |
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| [06:44:08] | Hadaka: | Also, is there some filename pattern where one could explicitly specify a themoviedb or imdb id for a file? |
| [06:44:40] | wagnerrp: | no, but if you use one of the defined supported patterns, its generally pretty good at searching |
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| [06:45:38] | Hadaka: | I had some problems with movies that had identical names as other movies |
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| [06:47:08] | Hadaka: | http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/15/lg-optimus . . . ith-android/ |
| [06:47:12] | Hadaka: | whoops |
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| [06:47:44] | Hadaka: | is the definitive list of mythvideo file name regular expressions available somewhere? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing seems a bit simplified |
| [06:48:29] | iamlindoro: | That is the definitive list |
| [06:48:35] | iamlindoro: | It's not simplified in the elast |
| [06:48:38] | iamlindoro: | er least |
| [06:48:57] | iamlindoro: | Follow the examples there and it will work |
| [06:49:06] | Hadaka: | "Below are some examples of acceptable naming conventions." |
| [06:49:36] | iamlindoro: | yes, they are the examples of all the supported naming schemes |
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| [06:50:04] | Hadaka: | okay, so there's no way to specify a movie title with a subtitle without setting episode numbers, for example? |
| [06:50:27] | iamlindoro: | You don't. Just put the full movie title as the filename |
| [06:51:08] | wagnerrp: | if there are no season/episode numbers, it takes the full filename as is |
| [06:51:16] | wagnerrp: | and assumes its a movie |
| [06:51:21] | Hadaka: | yet when fetching movie details from from themoviedb, many movies get a title and a subtitle! |
| [06:51:37] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [06:51:38] | iamlindoro: | No, when the titles are fetched, some titles are *split* into title and subtitle |
| [06:51:44] | Hadaka: | for example, Underworld – The rise of the lycans |
| [06:51:51] | wagnerrp: | yes, and the search will work fine regardless |
| [06:51:55] | iamlindoro: | Correct, that's *one* title |
| [06:52:05] | iamlindoro: | the split of titel and subtitle with movies happens internally |
| [06:52:14] | iamlindoro: | *after* the movie is successfully found |
| [06:52:39] | iamlindoro: | "Underworld: Rise of the Lycans.mpg" or "Underworld – Rise of the Lycans" will work fine |
| [06:53:47] | Hadaka: | okay, so that entire bit gets filled as the title, if no match is found from themoviedb? |
| [06:54:08] | wagnerrp: | that entire bit gets filled as the title anyway |
| [06:54:15] | Hadaka: | or does a pattern of ": " or " – " cause mythtv automatically to fill it as a subtitle? |
| [06:54:19] | wagnerrp: | scanning and metadata grabbing are independent |
| [06:54:28] | iamlindoro: | The split only happens when metadata is returned |
| [06:54:33] | Hadaka: | right |
| [06:54:37] | iamlindoro: | how you name the file makes no difference when it's a movie |
| [06:54:48] | iamlindoro: | Just name it as the movie title |
| [06:55:09] | wagnerrp: | the metadata grabber returns it as a split title/subtitle, and mythvideo merely overwrites the old data with the new |
| [06:55:19] | iamlindoro: | *If* there's a metadata result, and *if* it contains one of the recognized separators, we assign the data intelligently to title and subtitle |
| [06:55:34] | Hadaka: | so I can't use that for movies that aren't in themoviedb, if I want a subtitle part for my own stuff |
| [06:55:37] | Hadaka: | right, thanks |
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| [06:55:53] | wagnerrp: | if a movie isnt in themoviedb, add it to themoviedb |
| [06:55:53] | iamlindoro: | correct, you'd just use the edit metadata screen to fix it, which would take seconds |
| [06:55:57] | iamlindoro: | and yes, please add it |
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| [06:56:41] | Hadaka: | wagnerrp: these are not things that should be there, they are not publicly available movies |
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| [06:57:05] | wagnerrp: | then youll have to do things manually |
| [06:58:02] | Hadaka: | hmmh, perhaps I should build my own "metadata" grabber, which uses my own database, and returns proper results for each file? |
| [06:58:24] | wagnerrp: | you could... |
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| [06:58:36] | wagnerrp: | it would probably be easier just to use a database backup if it came to that |
| [06:59:09] | wagnerrp: | or you could whip something up from the python bindings in a few dozen lines |
| [07:01:17] | Hadaka: | okay, then a video library organization question – I usually like to have one *directory* per movie, as I have many auxiliary files for each movie file – but this makes browsing the videos pretty – is there anything I can do to ease this? |
| [07:01:56] | kormoc: | write a fuse plugin to handle it how you want? |
| [07:02:05] | kormoc: | use hardlinks to another directory tree? |
| [07:02:34] | Hadaka: | symlinks should work, no? |
| [07:02:41] | kormoc: | sure |
| [07:02:49] | Hadaka: | hmmh, perhaps... |
| [07:03:26] | Hadaka: | also, does mythtv support multiple different subtitle files for a single movie file? it supports it obviously in dvds, but not for anything else? |
| [07:03:48] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not support multiple external subtitles per movie |
| [07:04:15] | [R]: | just mux it into an mkv |
| [07:04:17] | wagnerrp: | it supports any subtitles in VOBs and ISOs |
| [07:04:35] | wagnerrp: | it supports any bitmapped subtitles (the kind that come with DVDs) when muxed into an mkv file |
| [07:04:52] | wagnerrp: | and 0.24 now also supports text subtitles multiplexed into an mkv file |
| [07:04:59] | Hadaka: | does "any" bitmapped subtitles include the "sup" kind? eg. blu-ray? |
| [07:05:16] | iamlindoro: | sup is not blu-ray |
| [07:05:24] | iamlindoro: | blu-ray is PGS |
| [07:05:28] | iamlindoro: | we support PGS |
| [07:05:47] | Hadaka: | okay, cool! |
| [07:05:50] | wagnerrp: | SUP is from DVDs, and is supported when multiplexed into a VOB or MKV |
| [07:07:39] | Hadaka: | I guess many things would be a bit easier if I were to start converting my video files to .mkv – but I'm not sure if I want to start modifying my video files |
| [07:08:05] | [R]: | mkv isn't a codec |
| [07:09:01] | wagnerrp: | mkv is just a container, the video and audio streams are left untouched |
| [07:09:26] | Hadaka: | [R]: I know, but it's still modifying my video files, even if not touching video data |
| [07:09:40] | [R]: | so? |
| [07:09:44] | [R]: | you write a scirpt and its magic |
| [07:09:46] | wagnerrp: | what do you have now? |
| [07:10:07] | wagnerrp: | anything other than VOB means you modified it once already |
| [07:10:43] | Hadaka: | after that, the file hashes change, and that makes it harder to find matching video files from subtitle sites, etc. |
| [07:11:00] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [07:11:09] | kormoc: | this sounds dangerously like pirated content |
| [07:11:16] | wagnerrp: | you cant find matching video files from subtitle sites anyway |
| [07:11:44] | wagnerrp: | unless you are using the direct ripped ISO, or a concatenated VOB |
| [07:11:55] | wagnerrp: | there is exactly zero chance you would ever have a matching hash file as someone else |
| [07:12:24] | Hadaka: | so why does themoviedb support file hashes, then? |
| [07:12:39] | wagnerrp: | for people who do one of the two above |
| [07:13:20] | wagnerrp: | unaltered copies of the same stamped disk will have the same hashes |
| [07:13:36] | wagnerrp: | as long as you dont transcode the DVDs you rip, it should work fine |
| [07:14:30] | Hadaka: | I have most of my stuff as .iso files, so perhaps that's fine |
| [07:14:56] | wagnerrp: | if you have your stuff as ISO files, you already have all the subtitles inside the image |
| [07:15:12] | wagnerrp: | there is no reason to have extra files, or to stick it in its own folder |
| [07:15:18] | Hadaka: | no I don't, since the dvd's don't often contain the correct subtitles |
| [07:15:34] | wagnerrp: | then you should have bought your dvds in the proper region |
| [07:15:49] | [R]: | is that legal though? |
| [07:15:52] | Hadaka: | ...if that would be possible |
| [07:16:06] | Hadaka: | buing off-region dvds is not illegal in the least bit |
| [07:16:28] | wagnerrp: | no, but you have to deal with the complications that go along with doing so |
| [07:20:53] | Hadaka: | btw, an off-topic question – does themoviedb have support for different editions of the same movie? for example, I own watchmen: the ultimate cut, but that information isn't in themoviedb? |
| [07:21:44] | wagnerrp: | i would check the forum, im not sure what the proper procedure is for that |
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| [07:21:56] | wagnerrp: | i would assume its all considered the same movie |
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| [07:24:14] | Hadaka: | okay, so for that too, the information I type in mythtv database is precious, as I can't get the full info from themoviedb |
| [07:25:16] | iamlindoro: | So back up your database |
| [07:25:20] | wagnerrp: | as mentioned a while back, you can start doing mysql backups, so you can restore in the event of a loss |
| [07:25:23] | iamlindoro: | or add the movie as a seperate title at TMDB |
| [07:25:41] | wagnerrp: | or you can put together something fairly easily with the python bindings |
| [07:26:22] | Hadaka: | perhaps I'll try the python bindings |
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| [07:26:35] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: im wondering if we should just allow dumping of the existing metadata format provided by the grabbers |
| [07:28:31] | wagnerrp: | Hadaka: anyway, the python bindings are currently set up to support 'pickle' |
| [07:28:45] | wagnerrp: | you should just be able to pickle off a Video object to a file |
| [07:28:59] | wagnerrp: | and import it back any some later date for re-insertion into the database |
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| [07:29:38] | Hadaka: | wagnerrp: nice to know! |
| [07:29:43] | wagnerrp: | untested though, it will probably require a bit of tweaking |
| [07:30:59] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: thought on just using http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_Universal_Metadata_Format for your planned external metadata? |
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| [10:12:15] | oobe: | Hi im trying to use mythlink.pl which i think used to work OK with .23 but now i get "failed: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.1/MythTV.pm line 358" |
| [10:12:28] | oobe: | is there a way i can specify my database password to it |
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| [10:13:02] | oobe: | I assumed it was using config.xml or mysql.txt as it doesnt appear to have a password option |
| [10:14:20] | oobe: | ok was my fault my config.xml was empty for some unknown reason i restored a backup |
| [10:14:41] | oobe: | now it works fine |
| [10:16:11] | nutron: | yw ;) |
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| [10:33:32] | kenni: | jya: prealloc or prealloc_max? |
| [10:33:33] | jya: | prealloc |
| [10:33:44] | jya: | prealloc_max is the highest value you can use |
| [10:33:49] | kenni: | 4096 |
| [10:33:59] | jya: | in prealloc? |
| [10:34:04] | kenni: | yes |
| [10:34:14] | jya: | then that's not it |
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| [10:34:45] | kenni: | jya: thanks anyway, I'll catch some logs during the day and try to pinpoint it |
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| [10:34:47] | jya: | 4MB is enough for any usage, include 7.1 LPCM 192kHz, 32 bits |
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| [10:35:02] | kenni: | I'm using plain old analog stereo |
| [10:35:23] | jya: | actually, my bad, for 7.1 LPCM 192kHz, 32 bits, you need 6144 |
| [10:36:02] | jya: | run it with -v audio,playback |
| [10:36:06] | kenni: | will do |
| [10:36:21] | jya: | but in all, underruns should be far less likely with 0.24 than they've ever been |
| [10:36:33] | jya: | at the beginning of playback maybe |
| [10:36:39] | jya: | when it starts playback |
| [10:36:52] | jya: | maybe it would happen between two shows |
| [10:37:21] | jya: | i found that when playback starts , or you change shows, it starts to wait for the video buffer to fill up |
| [10:37:33] | jya: | during this time, it stops feeding the audio card |
| [10:37:49] | jya: | if the wait is too long, it runs out of things to play -> buffer underruns |
| [10:38:13] | jya: | nothing much I can do there, it's how the playback is now running |
| [10:40:20] | kenni: | it might be a result of something else, I just noticed the buffer underrun since I've never seen/noticed that one before |
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| [12:46:02] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, haven't looked at that. but in that example, is that Universal as in MythTV Universal or Universal as in used by other projects? I was looking at one time at the format supported by XMBC, but haven't looked at the export/import code in a while. I bypassed putting a (video) computer in the car to supplement the DVD player and just bought an iPod for my daughter. I still plan on doing it if someone doesn't beat m |
| [12:46:02] | Captain_Murdoch: | e to it, but it has dropped down some on my priority list. |
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| [14:06:19] | kenni: | jya: The Alsa buffer underrun was a result of the problem not the cause...for some reason the video frames are getting behind audio, which ends up with a "Waiting for video buffers...": http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2025360 |
| [14:07:12] | kenni: | this is plain old MPEG2 SD |
| [14:07:47] | jya: | ahhh that nasty waiting for video buffers bit |
| [14:07:59] | jya: | so it's the problem I mentioned earlier |
| [14:08:29] | jya: | as the player is waiting for more video frames, it stops feeding the audio card, and sooner or later: it runs out of things to play |
| [14:09:31] | jya: | I don't see underruns there though |
| [14:09:37] | jya: | only at the beginning of playback |
| [14:09:51] | jya: | which is (unfortunately) expected |
| [14:10:47] | kenni: | yes, I wonder what causes the video buffer to run out, I don't see any obvious bottlenecks in my setup |
| [14:11:13] | kenni: | yeah, I didn't get any underruns this time – probably because it didn't lag for a long time |
| [14:11:50] | jya: | when I say expected, it's because for some reasons I don't understand, only noticed them.. when playback starts, you can wait a good 5–10s for video playback to start |
| [14:12:15] | jya: | it starts decoding audio instantly, feed the audio card, then realise it doesn't have enough video frames and start waiting for them |
| [14:12:23] | jya: | audio buffer runs out -> underruns |
| [14:12:33] | kenni: | heh, I can live with that :) |
| [14:12:43] | jya: | once video playback has started, when it runs out of video frames, it actually pause the audio |
| [14:12:53] | jya: | so you don't get to see underruns any longer |
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| [14:13:39] | jya: | because Pause mode means feeding the audio card with zeros continously.. so the hardware always have something to play |
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| [14:13:56] | jya: | have you tried increasing your vdpau buffer size ? |
| [14:14:09] | ** jya really has no clue what's happening ** | |
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| [14:17:09] | kenni: | Well, I actually have a new log here of some 720p material, which gives me a alsa buffer underrun as the first error, followed by video frames behind audio, followed by waiting for video buffers and THEN I get the AO: Pause 1 |
| [14:18:18] | jya: | kenni: right.. normal then.. once video playback has started, it pauses the audio as required |
| [14:18:35] | jya: | maybe increasing the vdpau buffer is what you need |
| [14:18:43] | jya: | a few people had similar issues |
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| [14:19:18] | jya: | the other case this happened, was that it was using a deinterlacer that the video card wasn't fast enough for |
| [14:19:22] | jya: | but you're using vdpaubasic |
| [14:19:31] | jya: | (which is almost just as bad as nothing) |
| [14:20:05] | kenni: | jya: in this log the video has been playing for at least 10 minutes before I hit the buffer underrun |
| [14:20:40] | jya: | with BOB you loose half the height resolution.. but I disgress |
| [14:21:31] | jya: | could it be that your video card is overheating and it starts to reduce its speed? |
| [14:21:53] | jya: | is it an AMD processor? |
| [14:22:05] | jya: | try change the cpufreq profile then? |
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| [14:22:28] | kenni: | jya, I haven't tested with increased vdpaubuffersize since the problem started in 0.24-fixes. I don't know if this is a known issue, but when I increase the vdpaubuffersize my subtitles get out of sync :-/ |
| [14:22:29] | jya: | overheating could explain why it fails after several minutes |
| [14:22:53] | jya: | kenni: raise the volume then or learn a new language :) |
| [14:23:42] | kenni: | I don't think it's overheating, it only happens "now and then"...eg. it's just a 1 sec lag per hour or so |
| [14:24:17] | kenni: | normally I run with bob, but I've just disabled it for debugging |
| [14:24:24] | jya: | you should be using VDPAU Normal anyway :) |
| [14:24:33] | jya: | Advanced 2X for SD |
| [14:24:40] | jya: | Temporal 2X for HD |
| [14:24:46] | jya: | ion can handle this perfectly |
| [14:24:53] | kenni: | disabled for debugging :) |
| [14:25:06] | jya: | you said that normally you ran bob |
| [14:25:14] | kenni: | I've been testing bob for a couple of weeks |
| [14:25:25] | jya: | the log there shows you're using bob :P |
| [14:25:34] | kenni: | hehe |
| [14:25:44] | kenni: | can't remember what it's at right now |
| [14:25:50] | kenni: | probably bob |
| [14:25:57] | jya: | no sign of activities on the backend ? |
| [14:26:11] | jya: | that would slow down streaming significantly? |
| [14:26:21] | kenni: | nope, nothing of |
| [14:26:24] | kenni: | interest |
| [14:26:39] | jya: | if you moved the file locally, and played it with mythavtest |
| [14:26:42] | jya: | would you see it ? |
| [14:26:50] | kenni: | good point |
| [14:26:57] | jya: | see you in 14 minutes after testing :) |
| [14:27:54] | jya: | I'm going to make a quick change, so the audio is completely paused when playback starts, feeding 0, and only once we know that playback has started unpause it |
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| [14:28:17] | kenni: | it's just so weird that my idle Core i5 3.x GHz backend suddently is unable to deliver data fast enough in 0.24-fixes...annoying |
| [14:28:23] | jya: | that will remove the buffer nderruns at startup |
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| [14:35:21] | kenni: | jya: I still have a case here, where I get a buffer underrun in the middle of the playback...eg. NOT in the beginning |
| [14:35:25] | kenni: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2025446 |
| [14:36:08] | jya: | still when some crap is happening.. looks like a major slow down is occuring in the food chain |
| [14:36:19] | kenni: | ok |
| [14:36:20] | jya: | so no more audio to decode, and no more video |
| [14:36:31] | kenni: | I get your point |
| [14:36:32] | jya: | usually we run out of videos sooner than we run out of audio |
| [14:37:01] | jya: | because the audio can buffer a few seconds of audio |
| [14:37:31] | kenni: | I'll have to go, have a meeting in 20 minutes, thanks for your help :) |
| [14:37:41] | jya: | put the file locally |
| [14:37:46] | jya: | play it while you're away |
| [14:37:53] | jya: | when you get back, see if you had those |
| [14:37:59] | jya: | no need to stay in front of it |
| [14:38:03] | kenni: | ;) |
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| [16:33:17] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: its 'universal' as in an extensible format that could be extended for different types of media in mythtv |
| [16:33:56] | iamlindoro: | And which is used by both MythVideo and MythGame, and with any luck in the future, MythMusic |
| [16:35:12] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, thought so. :) I don't mind using that, my reason for looking at another 'more universal' format was just to see if we could benefit from the layout already done by someone else as well as being compatible. |
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| [16:36:30] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: Our XML format is very very closely related to the TMDB API, that's where it came from |
| [16:36:43] | iamlindoro: | I only expanded it to pertain to other types of media |
| [16:36:46] | wagnerrp: | well i was just thinking of using that because it already has import support in mythvideo and mythgame (in the code) and mythvideo and recordings (in the python bindings) |
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| [16:37:36] | Captain_Murdoch: | reuse is good, I'm fine with that format if it supports or can be extended to support everything we need to save about a recording. |
| [16:37:48] | iamlindoro: | No reason it couldn't be |
| [16:38:02] | iamlindoro: | IMO XML is far cleaner than the alternative, which was colon delimited text IIRC |
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| [16:38:28] | iamlindoro: | All the parsing is done in libmythmetadata/metadatacommon.cpp/h |
| [16:38:35] | iamlindoro: | Adding a new tag is as simple as a single line |
| [16:38:44] | iamlindoro: | And maybe a handler function for recordings |
| [16:39:01] | Captain_Murdoch: | I still love the idea of being able to pop in a CD/DVD/BD/flash-drive with media on it and having all the metadata show up immediately inside Watch Recordings/MythVideo/MythMusic/etc.. perhaps the file/directory monitoring can still be partially implemented even if it's only for a single directory or SG. |
| [16:39:56] | iamlindoro: | I like the idea too |
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| [16:40:30] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, thats how all 'local' content should be handled |
| [16:41:04] | wagnerrp: | have the database only work off storage groups |
| [16:41:23] | wagnerrp: | and the locally defined folders exist in browse mode, reading metadata out of these files |
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| [16:42:51] | iamlindoro: | I'm down to four Qt settings screens in MythVideo, trying to see if I can get that down to 2 for .25 |
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| [16:43:25] | iamlindoro: | If stuartm can get encrypted DVD playback working in SGs, I was thinking of disabling the settings for local files for .25 (but keeping support until .26) |
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| [16:54:49] | wilberfan: | morning, guys... sorry to be such a pest--but my new myth install just isn't behaving... |
| [16:54:59] | wilberfan: | can you translate what's going on here?: http://pastebin.com/wMfMca6F |
| [16:56:29] | wilberfan: | is the backend not staying loaded? |
| [16:56:58] | wilberfan: | i start it, (or restart it), but there's no pid for it... |
| [16:57:08] | iamlindoro: | Correct, it's not starting because you haven't configured it |
| [16:57:24] | iamlindoro: | Your error message tells you how to correct the issue |
| [16:57:37] | iamlindoro: | run mythtv-setup, go to general, fix the ips |
| [16:59:43] | wilberfan: | the "ips"? |
| [16:59:51] | iamlindoro: | IPs |
| [16:59:59] | iamlindoro: | Network Addresses |
| [17:00:14] | wilberfan: | the frontend and backend are the same box... |
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| [17:00:23] | wilberfan: | 127.0.0.1 should be correct... |
| [17:00:41] | wilberfan: | when i do that, it won't login... |
| [17:00:42] | iamlindoro: | Your issue isn't the correctness of the information |
| [17:00:47] | iamlindoro: | your information is null |
| [17:01:03] | wilberfan: | not sure what you mean by null |
| [17:01:04] | iamlindoro: | ie, either you haven't configured it at all, or you've changed the hostname since doing so |
| [17:02:15] | wilberfan: | The first thing I see after the language screen... then a "No UPnP" notice... |
| [17:02:49] | wilberfan: | wait...hang on... |
| [17:05:30] | wilberfan: | no that wasn't it... |
| [17:06:45] | wilberfan: | wait...i need to back up... |
| [17:06:52] | wilberfan: | mysql IS running....i can see it in conky.... |
| [17:07:13] | wilberfan: | the backend won't run because you're saying it's not configured correctly... |
| [17:07:39] | iamlindoro: | Your error message is saying that the backend won't run because it's not configured *period* |
| [17:07:53] | iamlindoro: | there are *no* values in the database it is speaking to for that server |
| [17:08:32] | wilberfan: | but when I try to run mythtv-setup I only get the language screen, a "No UPnP" notice...then the 1/2 and 2/2 screens... |
| [17:08:53] | wilberfan: | all of the data there seems correct... |
| [17:09:03] | iamlindoro: | It may seem correct, but it's not |
| [17:09:19] | iamlindoro: | Otherwise you'd get *actual* mythtv-setup, which you haven't even reached yet |
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| [17:10:37] | iamlindoro: | The information you are being prompted for in those two screens is how to find and authenticate with your database-- some part of that information is incorrect |
| [17:10:53] | wilberfan: | I get this, too: QMYSQL: Unable to connect |
| [17:10:53] | wilberfan: | Database error was: |
| [17:10:53] | wilberfan: | Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111) |
| [17:11:38] | iamlindoro: | Correct, as I keep saying, you are unable to connect to the database |
| [17:11:48] | iamlindoro: | have you checked that mysql is actually binding to that address? |
| [17:12:21] | iamlindoro: | ie, that the bind-address for mysql is 127.0.0.1 and that skip-networking is false? |
| [17:14:06] | wilberfan: | see? now "skip-networking" thing could be awry... that's in /etc/.... ? |
| [17:14:18] | wilberfan: | i've forgotten... |
| [17:14:35] | iamlindoro: | /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| [17:15:28] | wilberfan: | it is UNCOMMENTED in my my.cnf... that's incorrect, isn't it... |
| [17:15:50] | iamlindoro: | If skip-networking is uncommented, then yes, it will skip networking |
| [17:16:06] | iamlindoro: | meaning the server will be inaccessible from any network address, including 127.0.0.1 |
| [17:16:26] | wilberfan: | well, then....NOW we're gettin' somewhere!! ;-) |
| [17:16:31] | iamlindoro: | skip-networking must be false, and the bind-address should be set to the address you intend to use |
| [17:17:38] | wilberfan: | I don't see a 'bind-address' option in my.cnf...should that be added? |
| [17:18:16] | iamlindoro: | What distro is this? |
| [17:18:20] | wilberfan: | arch |
| [17:18:29] | iamlindoro: | ugh |
| [17:18:37] | iamlindoro: | tell them to fix their mysql packages |
| [17:18:42] | iamlindoro: | since they're obviously crap |
| [17:19:00] | iamlindoro: | broken by default is never okay |
| [17:19:06] | wilberfan: | lol |
| [17:19:23] | iamlindoro: | yes, you need bind-address in [mysqld] in order for network binding to work |
| [17:19:35] | iamlindoro: | bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
| [17:19:36] | iamlindoro: | etc. |
| [17:20:01] | wilberfan: | yeah, look.... I have a bind-address in my (working) debian myth install.... |
| [17:20:16] | wilberfan: | wow...that IS sucky for arch, isn't it? |
| [17:20:39] | wilberfan: | does it matter WHERE in the my.cnf it goes? |
| [17:20:39] | iamlindoro: | jams: ^^ Do they really distribute mysql with skip-networking enabled and no bind-address? mysql removed skip-networking as a default a LONG time ago TTBOMK |
| [17:20:54] | iamlindoro: | as I said, under [mysqld] |
| [17:21:30] | iamlindoro: | personally, I have it right under tmpdir |
| [17:22:14] | wilberfan: | interesting: look at this verbage from the debian my.cnf: |
| [17:22:18] | wilberfan: | # Instead of skip-networking the default is now to listen only on |
| [17:22:18] | wilberfan: | # localhost which is more compatible and is not less secure. |
| [17:22:18] | wilberfan: | bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
| [17:22:30] | wilberfan: | amazing... |
| [17:23:16] | wilberfan: | here's the verbage from the arch my.cnf: |
| [17:23:20] | wilberfan: | # Don't listen on a TCP/IP port at all. This can be a security enhancement, |
| [17:23:20] | wilberfan: | # if all processes that need to connect to mysqld run on the same host. |
| [17:23:20] | wilberfan: | # All interaction with mysqld must be made via Unix sockets or named pipes. |
| [17:23:20] | wilberfan: | # Note that using this option without enabling named pipes on Windows |
| [17:23:20] | wilberfan: | # (via the "enable-named-pipe" option) will render mysqld useless! |
| [17:23:21] | wilberfan: | # |
| [17:23:25] | wilberfan: | #skip-networking |
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| [17:26:00] | wagnerrp: | yet more reason to embed the database into the backend |
| [17:27:13] | iamlindoro: | Love it when distros "secure" things |
| [17:27:19] | wilberfan: | that would eliminate crap scenarios like this, you mean? |
| [17:28:31] | wagnerrp: | that would mean only the master backend would have access to the database |
| [17:28:41] | wagnerrp: | and it would use its own networking to provide access to the rest of the machines |
| [17:29:02] | wagnerrp: | and would control all settings used by the embedded server |
| [17:29:28] | wagnerrp: | basically means we wouldnt have to put up with poor default choices made by other distros |
| [17:30:06] | wilberfan: | do all the other archmyth dudes figure this out on their own? hard to believe no one's ever come in here before with this problemo... |
| [17:30:13] | ** wagnerrp would like to note that he has never suffered from these frustrations, and doesnt know what all 'you people' are talking about as FreeBSD set mysql up 'properly' ** | |
| [17:30:39] | wilberfan: | debian does too, apparently.... |
| [17:30:39] | iamlindoro: | People who want Arch + Myth should generally be using LinHES |
| [17:30:44] | wagnerrp: | wilberfan: this is all spelled out in the documentation |
| [17:31:18] | wilberfan: | I was following the rather nicely (I thought) arch myth wiki... |
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| [17:31:42] | wilberfan: | ass-umed that it knew what it was doing! |
| [17:31:44] | wagnerrp: | if the arch myth wiki does not tell you go fix mysql, it must be updated |
| [17:31:55] | wilberfan: | i wuz just gonna say... |
| [17:32:08] | wilberfan: | didn't think i needed to wade into the myth documentation... |
| [17:32:19] | wilberfan: | good to know it's there, though... |
| [17:33:05] | wilberfan: | man, mythtv-setup just blazes into action when it can actually talk to the database... |
| [17:33:06] | iamlindoro: | wilberfan: You absolutely DO need to read the myth documentation |
| [17:33:09] | wilberfan: | :D |
| [17:33:10] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: I've decided: I hate users. User complains of "analog side of card works but digital doesn't", then eight emails later he points out that "oh yeah, /dev/video0 isn't being created either". Bastards. |
| [17:33:31] | wilberfan: | i'll try not to take that personally... ;) |
| [17:33:34] | iamlindoro: | There is no distro that provides enough documentation that one can just skip the myth docs-- if you try, you will fail or misconfigure something |
| [17:33:44] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Yeah, I saw-- That's irritating as hell |
| [17:33:49] | wagnerrp: | wilberfan: hes referring to something completely unrelated on the mailing list |
| [17:34:01] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: After expressly insisting that it was definitely created |
| [17:34:27] | wagnerrp: | i really appreciate how he has to break threading on every email |
| [17:34:30] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: Annoying. Like I don't have better things to do than chase down whether a certain vendor bumped the hardware rev. |
| [17:35:13] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: yeah, I'm sorry for that |
| [17:35:16] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: Oh, and finally in the last email he points out he bought the card used. |
| [17:35:25] | devinheitmueller: | Such is life. |
| [17:35:37] | devinheitmueller: | No need for you to apologize. It's not *your* fault. |
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| [17:36:43] | iamlindoro: | I can still feel bad ;) |
| [17:36:52] | devinheitmueller: | heh. |
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| [17:39:35] | wagnerrp: | i still dont understand how dmesg was too large for his email |
| [17:40:02] | wilberfan: | crap. now the frontend can't reach the backend? http://pastebin.com/06d84iWd |
| [17:40:07] | wagnerrp: | does pipermail set a much lower size limit than the standard 10MB used by most servers? |
| [17:40:18] | wilberfan: | could there be something 'arch'y going on with that too? |
| [17:40:26] | wagnerrp: | is your backend running? |
| [17:40:41] | wilberfan: | jeez...excellent question! |
| [17:40:43] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: Yeah, well pastebin was the right way to go anyway. We should put something in the MythTV FAQ about using pastebin. |
| [17:40:49] | wilberfan: | let me check... |
| [17:42:16] | wilberfan: | well, i start it (/etc/rc.d/mythbackend restart) but there's no PID... |
| [17:42:29] | wagnerrp: | ps ax | grep mythbackend |
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| [17:43:15] | wilberfan: | 4110 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep mythbackend |
| [17:44:02] | iamlindoro: | You *cannot* start the backend until you successfully configure it |
| [17:44:04] | iamlindoro: | mythtv-setup |
| [17:44:08] | iamlindoro: | You *must* do this |
| [17:44:17] | iamlindoro: | this is where reading the myth documentation is required |
| [17:44:19] | kormoc: | Ugh. GoogleTV Fail. it's a loud box |
| [17:44:19] | wilberfan: | I DID just complete the setup... |
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| [17:44:49] | wagnerrp: | check your backend logs to see what it is complaining about |
| [17:45:13] | wagnerrp: | first off, you should have set a routable IP address rather than 127.0.0.1 |
| [17:46:24] | wilberfan: | i'm not disputing that...but my debian box works fine with a 127.0.0.1... |
| [17:46:28] | wilberfan: | just saying... |
| [17:46:38] | wilberfan: | backend and frontend are the same box... |
| [17:46:48] | wagnerrp: | you already have another box running mythtv? |
| [17:46:58] | wilberfan: | same box--different distro... |
| [17:47:26] | wilberfan: | here's the complaint from the backend: |
| [17:47:29] | wagnerrp: | the point is, if you ever want to use another machine, that will have to change |
| [17:47:41] | wilberfan: | that's cool... |
| [17:47:47] | wagnerrp: | and people often try connecting, but dont give database credentials, and dont fix the IP |
| [17:47:47] | wilberfan: | 2010-12–21 09:41:30.405 MediaServer:: No BackendServerIP Address defined |
| [17:47:47] | wilberfan: | No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP. |
| [17:47:47] | wilberfan: | Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page |
| [17:47:47] | wilberfan: | of the general settings. |
| [17:47:52] | wagnerrp: | and spend hours trying to figu.... |
| [17:48:02] | wagnerrp: | well it seems you never even went through general setup |
| [17:48:15] | wilberfan: | all six, seven screens? |
| [17:48:22] | wagnerrp: | apparently not |
| [17:48:38] | wagnerrp: | when you hit the end, did you 'cancel' all the way back out? |
| [17:48:44] | wilberfan: | nope... |
| [17:49:37] | wilberfan: | 13 screens under "General" |
| [17:50:01] | wilberfan: | my capture card (PVR-350) is there.... |
| [17:51:07] | wilberfan: | recording directory....video directory.... |
| [17:51:12] | wilberfan: | went through ALL of that.... |
| [17:54:28] | wilberfan: | could the backend still not be running? |
| [17:54:54] | wilberfan: | i don't think it is.... |
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| [18:00:34] | wilberfan: | duh. we know it isn't... |
| [18:02:10] | kormoc: | wilberfan, do you have more then one database? |
| [18:02:18] | kormoc: | you could be setting up the wrong database |
| [18:02:38] | wilberfan: | kormoc, i can't imagine how i'd end up with more than one.... |
| [18:03:05] | wilberfan: | mythconverg is the 'default' one, right... |
| [18:03:07] | wilberfan: | ? |
| [18:03:12] | kormoc: | yes |
| [18:03:26] | wilberfan: | and someone would have to intentionally set up a different one? |
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| [18:04:12] | wilberfan: | is there a way to display my database(s)? |
| [18:04:18] | kormoc: | SHOW DATABASES |
| [18:05:09] | wilberfan: | sorry, you'll have to remind me how to log in to mysql... |
| [18:05:13] | ** wilberfan is embarassed ** | |
| [18:06:44] | wilberfan: | found it... |
| [18:07:25] | wilberfan: | SHOW DATABASES; has a syntax error? |
| [18:07:41] | wilberfan: | no it doesn't sorry... |
| [18:08:04] | wilberfan: | "mythconverg" is what comes up.... |
| [18:09:51] | kormoc: | different database servers? |
| [18:10:05] | kormoc: | there's just something weird if mythsetup shows correct info but mythbackend doesn't |
| [18:12:15] | wilberfan: | i think it still can't 'see' 127.0.0.1' for some reason? |
| [18:12:26] | wilberfan: | this from mythfilldatabase just now: |
| [18:12:28] | wilberfan: | 2010-12–21 10:11:02.846 MythCoreContext: Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 1) |
| [18:12:28] | wilberfan: | 2010-12–21 10:11:02.846 Connection to master server timed out. |
| [18:12:28] | wilberfan: | Either the server is down or the master server settings |
| [18:12:28] | wilberfan: | in mythtv-settings does not contain the proper IP addres |
| [18:12:49] | wilberfan: | or is that because the backend won't stay up.... |
| [18:13:50] | kormoc: | it sounds like you have some weird firewall/SELinux setup |
| [18:14:00] | wilberfan: | wait...something just happened... |
| [18:15:06] | skd5aner: | alien attack? |
| [18:15:28] | wilberfan: | might as well have been.... |
| [18:15:48] | wilberfan: | i've been trying to start the backend with /etc/rc.d/mythbackend.... |
| [18:16:11] | wilberfan: | when i run $ mythbackend from a terminal...everything is just peachy! |
| [18:19:45] | Crys: | wilberfan: seems like your init script is broken – or you didn't follow protocol of your distribution |
| [18:20:19] | wilberfan: | I went through the arch myth wiki step-by-step... I'll have to recheck...? |
| [18:20:34] | wilberfan: | should mythbackend be able to be started as a daemon? |
| [18:21:18] | Crys: | Some distribution have their own philosophies. |
| [18:22:13] | Crys: | They like to do it "their way" instead of using the developer's way |
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| [18:23:26] | Crys: | And yes, the backend should work as a daemon. |
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| [18:58:47] | isdahlc: | Hi. I just upgraded from .23 to .24; everything looks good except one item. How do I change the lircd socket location? |
| [18:58:50] | isdahlc: | Dec 21 12:24:13 mythtv lircd-0.8.4a[2177]: accepted new client on /dev/lircd |
| [18:58:58] | isdahlc: | Dec 21 13:42:26 mythtv lircd-0.8.6-CVS[2176]: accepted new client on /var/run/lirc/lircd |
| [18:59:20] | isdahlc: | The above are two lines from /var/log/messages. |
| [18:59:58] | isdahlc: | I found http://www.lirc.org/html/install.html but I'm not sure how to correct. |
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| [19:27:35] | wilberfan: | I currently have a Hauppauge PVR-350. If I wanted to go digital, any recommendations? This isn't a super-high-end box.... |
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| [19:28:11] | wagnerrp: | what processor, specifically? |
| [19:29:04] | wilberfan: | Intel COre2 Duo E7400 |
| [19:29:14] | wilberfan: | 2.8 Ghz |
| [19:29:31] | wagnerrp: | thats plenty for just about anything |
| [19:29:37] | wagnerrp: | pick up any supported ATSC tuner |
| [19:29:40] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [19:29:40] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [19:30:19] | wilberfan: | what is ATSC? |
| [19:31:32] | wilberfan: | "standards related to digital tv"... |
| [19:31:53] | wagnerrp: | ATSC is the digital broadcast standard used in north america |
| [19:32:05] | wagnerrp: | and the type of tuner you need to purchase if you want to 'go digital' |
| [19:32:58] | wilberfan: | right...got it... |
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| [20:01:19] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: not directly an answer to your Q in other room, but perhaps a brief "welcome to mythtv" test video that utilizes everything from the basic setup to test the settings since new users will likely have 0 content to test against from the start |
| [20:01:32] | skd5aner: | "if this played back successfully, your audio and video settings work" or something |
| [20:01:43] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Already there |
| [20:01:46] | skd5aner: | cool |
| [20:01:53] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/simplevideosetup.png |
| [20:02:00] | skd5aner: | hah, sweet |
| [20:02:05] | iamlindoro: | Even allows you to test both SD and HD playback |
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| [20:02:28] | skd5aner: | I like it |
| [20:02:32] | iamlindoro: | The idea is to take things that have existing configuration and strip them to the bare essentials |
| [20:02:59] | iamlindoro: | 95%+ of users should never need to put in their own audio device, or write their own playback profile... but 95% of users usually DO have to change those values |
| [20:03:19] | iamlindoro: | so provide a path where everyone runs through the stripped down config on first run, and allow testing of each step to make sure it works |
| [20:03:30] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/audio.png |
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| [20:03:55] | skd5aner: | perhaps jumping ahead or getting a little too idealistic, but what about a troubleshooting wizard for existing setups (post-initial launch setup) – something that's like "what's wrong? Audio problem... Video Problem..." etc? |
| [20:04:21] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: I don't see anything like that being particularly useful, but the wizard will be accessible at any time |
| [20:04:31] | skd5aner: | np |
| [20:04:54] | iamlindoro: | Well, not useful is maybe not the right term, but... "belongs in the wiki" might be more apt |
| [20:05:23] | skd5aner: | Yea, I suppose it's more like an FAQ for commonly brought up issues |
| [20:06:19] | iamlindoro: | yeah. Just can't see how it would be done well in the program itself. But I figure that if someone has a frontend running, the hard stuff should be behind them-- and most of what we see with users is a) misconfigured audio and b) misconfigured playback profile |
| [20:06:26] | iamlindoro: | mostly because they just plain don't know they're there |
| [20:06:47] | iamlindoro: | so give them a very very simple way of testing each setting, which in 95% will function with the detected/provided values |
| [20:07:10] | iamlindoro: | if someone needs a custom playback profile or to write in their audio device, then they are by definition the 5% that is not the target of the wizard |
| [20:08:36] | wilberfan: | is there a way to tell (ie, command) whether I have a PCI or PCIe tv card in this box? (I'd rather not open the case if it can be avoided) |
| [20:09:43] | devinheitmueller: | wilberfan: you can run "lspci -v", find the PCI ID of the tv card, and then google it to see what type of card it is. |
| [20:12:10] | wagnerrp: | wilberfan: you said you had a PVR-350 |
| [20:12:12] | wagnerrp: | that is a PCI card |
| [20:12:23] | wilberfan: | I was starting to think that, yeah.... |
| [20:12:52] | wilberfan: | wonder if i'll be able to get the remote working on this new install.... |
| [20:13:31] | wilberfan: | the remote on the debian myth install stopped working if I went past kernel 2.6.31... |
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| [20:14:33] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: ive got my Metadata class outputting XML now, just need to tie it into the Recorded/Video classes to pull information from the database |
| [20:15:07] | iamlindoro: | neat |
| [20:15:30] | iamlindoro: | Note that we don't currently actually have an import class that works with files/etc. but it would be fairly easy to write |
| [20:17:19] | wagnerrp: | there is also no support for markup data |
| [20:17:32] | wagnerrp: | and im not sure the best way to handle images |
| [20:18:02] | iamlindoro: | image handling could pretty easily be adjusted to account for local images |
| [20:18:21] | wagnerrp: | but carrying multiple files around would be a bit clumsy |
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| [20:18:38] | wagnerrp: | the other option would be to base64 them, and stuff them into the text directly |
| [20:18:40] | iamlindoro: | I'm not sure I'm following you |
| [20:18:42] | iamlindoro: | ew, no |
| [20:18:55] | iamlindoro: | just have an XML file, and the video and picture files as files, what's wrong with that? |
| [20:19:01] | wagnerrp: | but leaving them as the basename is easy enough |
| [20:19:19] | iamlindoro: | sure, that's fine |
| [20:19:20] | wagnerrp: | considering thats how its stored in the database currently |
| [20:22:09] | iamlindoro: | Qt ha functionality to tell if a path is absolute or relative, easy enough to check when parsing |
| [20:22:11] | iamlindoro: | er has |
| [20:22:22] | iamlindoro: | And both should work without much issue |
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| [20:34:24] | elmojo: | Beirdo: any idea if there is a DLNA bluray player that can handle ATSC without transcoding? |
| [20:38:32] | wagnerrp: | id like to believe they all should |
| [20:38:52] | wagnerrp: | considering MPEG2 and AC3 are required supported formats on bluray players |
| [20:39:21] | iamlindoro: | In transport stream, no less :) |
| [20:40:22] | elmojo: | my friend has a W7 MCE and trying to playback via DLNA to his Sony S570 bluray player results in W7 transcoding his HDTV shows to MPEG2 NTSC format |
| [20:40:30] | elmojo: | looks like total garbage |
| [20:40:37] | iamlindoro: | eww |
| [20:40:53] | iamlindoro: | could be MCE's fault, some "lowest common denominator" business |
| [20:40:55] | elmojo: | I tried removing the transcoding profiles in the W7 registry to no avail |
| [20:41:26] | elmojo: | yes I believe you are right... probably trying to solve problems with all players by forcing them to something they know everyone can handle |
| [20:41:50] | elmojo: | because it seems from the sound of it DLNA devices don't tell the truth always |
| [20:42:08] | wagnerrp: | or it could be DNLA is deemed an insecure output mechanism, so it is downsampling the content through some misguided protection mechanism |
| [20:42:18] | iamlindoro: | I keep hoping that the uPnP player will develop "pluggabl" xml profiles for devices |
| [20:42:21] | iamlindoro: | er pluggable |
| [20:42:31] | iamlindoro: | er uPnP Server, that is |
| [20:42:41] | elmojo: | heh... could be true... I'm sure they want you to by an "official" extender called the XBOX360 :) |
| [20:42:43] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: you mean something like how mediatomb is set up? |
| [20:42:51] | iamlindoro: | rather than putting all the exceptions in the server itself, put the stuff in an XML file |
| [20:42:56] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I don't know much about mediatomb |
| [20:43:11] | elmojo: | thinking about having him run a 3rd party DLNA server to see if it works properly |
| [20:43:16] | wagnerrp: | i believe mediatomb has such pluggable xml profiles for using various devices |
| [20:43:34] | iamlindoro: | yeah, would love to see us do same if we stick with out media server |
| [20:45:18] | wagnerrp: | looks like they support some xml syntax for defining data fixups, and use javascript for more advanced tasks that the options in the xml dont support |
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| [20:53:13] | wagnerrp: | mmm... http://mythtv.pastebin.com/CVUsdNPw |
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| [20:54:17] | iamlindoro: | cool |
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| [21:01:30] | skd5aner: | moving this down here as to not fill up #mythtv with my dumb question... but I'm not quite understanding how a 1080i@50 (for example) clip wouldn't be "different" or "non-ideal" versus a 1080i@60 clip for testing/setup/calibration purposes for someone in the US? |
| [21:01:34] | skd5aner: | I know it can play either... |
| [21:02:46] | skd5aner: | but if xorg.conf is configured to use a refresh rate of 60Hz, for example, wouldn't that make a difference on the quality of playback of a 50fps clip (and vice versa at 60fps @ 50Hz) |
| [21:04:41] | wilberfan: | anyone know their way around lirc/hauppauge enough to be able to walk me through my non-working remote setup? |
| [21:07:06] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Even if that were true, and there's a mountain of reasons why it's not relevant), we're talking about a fifteen second sample playing to see if video and audio work, and work smoothly, not buttery smooth display of an entire movie |
| [21:07:35] | skd5aner: | yea, I guess the point being – is that it doesn't matter enough to actually matter |
| [21:07:57] | iamlindoro: | or it doesn't matter, period ;) |
| [21:08:09] | skd5aner: | which is fair enough – just thought I'd ask and bring it up |
| [21:08:39] | skd5aner: | for true calibration, it might matter though – but not "hey – video and audio work – YAY!" |
| [21:08:45] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [21:09:03] | iamlindoro: | I hope I don't need to explain what the point of the wizard is, again |
| [21:09:12] | skd5aner: | nope |
| [21:09:13] | iamlindoro: | this kind of thing is the reason I am loathe to actually commit it |
| [21:09:22] | iamlindoro: | Because I fear all the cooks in the kitchen |
| [21:09:26] | skd5aner: | Understood it's bare-bones "get this thing working" type of thing |
| [21:09:46] | iamlindoro: | Everyone with their own priorities and ideas of what is absolutely necessary and what constitutes intuitive |
| [21:10:17] | jams: | wilberfan- not what you want to hear, but my general recommendation is to avoid hauppauge remotes and receivers. Their cards are good but their remotes are very poor. It's not worth the headache when a $20 streamzap just works. |
| [21:10:20] | iamlindoro: | To me, any more than a list of selections and a big fat "test" button is too much |
| [21:10:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, for that video clip, it might make sense to just download it via the downloadmanager, showing a busydialog or progressbar, then just play the file locally. |
| [21:10:49] | skd5aner: | I'm just thinking out loud, I wield no spatula :) |
| [21:10:52] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: could do, yeah |
| [21:10:56] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: I like the idea |
| [21:11:26] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: I know, just expressing my reservations about what will happen when everyone has access to it |
| [21:11:36] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: I am anxious to protect the absolute, abject simplicity |
| [21:12:02] | skd5aner: | what's not simple about a different video for every possible output scenario? ;) |
| [21:12:12] | iamlindoro: | since (understandably) there's a temptation to say, "Well, I guess we really ought to *also* configure $x...." |
| [21:12:22] | iamlindoro: | and then in a year it's just as unusable as the Qt setup |
| [21:12:55] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, and since the downloadmanager can write to the file as it downloads, you could estimate download speed and start playback when you think you have enough downloaded. not sure how that would work with the player, whether it would keep playing past what was the end when the player started or if it would play to true EOF. |
| [21:13:22] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: I'm thinking 15s @ 20 mbit, so it's just 30MB.. they can wait |
| [21:14:15] | iamlindoro: | Guess we could even have the MDM download the samples to ~/.mythtv on the backend, thus only once per complete myth setup |
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| [21:14:43] | iamlindoro: | (or create a samples hidden group, or whatever) |
| [21:14:47] | sphery: | and allow users to provide their own copy for "offline" setup? |
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| [21:15:03] | iamlindoro: | sphery: offline as in without a backend? |
| [21:15:12] | sphery: | offline as in without access to the Internet |
| [21:15:16] | skd5aner: | as in without one connected to the internet |
| [21:15:24] | iamlindoro: | Who doesn't have the internet? |
| [21:15:35] | iamlindoro: | I mean, I *guess* they can put their own sample in.. I guess |
| [21:15:38] | sphery: | even if we say, "you have to name it X.mpg and put it at location Y" |
| [21:15:48] | iamlindoro: | If the file isn't there, it' just pops up a dialog saying the file wasn't found |
| [21:15:53] | iamlindoro: | (and where it should have been) |
| [21:16:06] | sphery: | look at the users list... lots of people jumping through tons of hoops to get listings data to their backends |
| [21:16:09] | iamlindoro: | so if someone is that nutso, they'll know where to put the file |
| [21:16:11] | sphery: | these are users with "secure" setups |
| [21:16:21] | iamlindoro: | I am not aiming at those uses |
| [21:16:23] | iamlindoro: | users |
| [21:16:23] | sphery: | or un-approved setups at work, etc |
| [21:16:42] | iamlindoro: | Heh, what's with everyone and the mention of the 5% I'm specifically *avoiding* catering to? |
| [21:17:14] | sphery: | but then again, if you just make it a pre-determine file at a specific path relative to some location (~/.mythtv or some SG or whatever), ... |
| [21:17:33] | sphery: | since you'll be downloading then playing, anyway |
| [21:17:41] | iamlindoro: | It currently finds the files in $Sharedir/themes/default/test_hd/sd.mov |
| [21:17:41] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, how many of those jumping through hoops are just trying to share data. :| |
| [21:18:20] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: probabaly quite a few, but when you factor in real users with data tariffs or caps... |
| [21:18:27] | iamlindoro: | But I like the idea to use MDM, since that also allows us to change the samples over time as we discover what consititutes the best test of SD and HD |
| [21:18:31] | jams: | i know lots of ppl that avoid needless d/l because they get charged for it. |
| [21:18:35] | sphery: | anyway, just thought it would be nice to be able to supply your own |
| [21:19:04] | iamlindoro: | sphery: With due respect, I want nothing to do with that kind of maneuvering |
| [21:19:22] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, you can look in themechooser.cpp to see how I download the theme to the MBE first into the Temp built-in Storage Group, then download from there to the FE to install. |
| [21:19:25] | iamlindoro: | If you want a simple setup, then use the system in a simple/normal way |
| [21:19:33] | sphery: | well, the tariffs/caps are a real issue for some |
| [21:19:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, they can supply their own via "mythavtest blah.mpg" :) |
| [21:19:43] | iamlindoro: | If you don't want to use the wizard as intended, just cancel it |
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| [21:19:53] | sphery: | ok |
| [21:20:01] | iamlindoro: | Why in god's name are we talking about tariffs of < 30 MB of data? |
| [21:20:11] | sphery: | though I don't see why making it a standard name is a proble |
| [21:20:19] | ** Captain_Murdoch just got a new AOL floppy disk in the mail. ** | |
| [21:20:20] | iamlindoro: | It *is* a standard name |
| [21:20:30] | sphery: | then they can put it in place, right? |
| [21:20:46] | iamlindoro: | Theoretically, they could, but why in God's name are we even considering that? |
| [21:20:47] | sphery: | anyway, whatever |
| [21:21:02] | iamlindoro: | The code isn't even committed yet and we're already Mything with it |
| [21:21:33] | ** wagnerrp remembers spending hours downloading a 22MB halflife mod called TFC ** | |
| [21:22:30] | iamlindoro: | It's the just the champing at the bit to go in some unintended direction that puzzles me sometimes |
| [21:23:05] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, QString mbeVideoURL = "myth://Temp@myMBEIP/test_videos/sd.mov"; if (!RemoteFile::Exists(mbeVideoURL)) then { downloadVideoToMBE(); } playVideo(mbeVideoURL); |
| [21:23:12] | iamlindoro: | Yes, you could theoretically put your own file in where it expects to find it to avoid a miniscule download, just as you could change your hosts file and run your own theme download service-- but in God's name, WHY? |
| [21:23:33] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: Yeah, That's basically what I had in mind |
| [21:23:38] | sphery: | forget I said anything |
| [21:23:46] | Captain_Murdoch: | no need to change your hosts file anymore, I have an undocumented setting which lets you set another repo to look at so I can test locally with my own theme download site. :) |
| [21:24:14] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I'm not trying to be insulting at all, I have huge respect for you, it just makes me sad to see the tendrils of ruin creeping in before the code is even cold |
| [21:24:37] | iamlindoro: | and not ruin, per se, just... complication for the sake of complication |
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| [21:25:29] | iamlindoro: | And that's not even saying *you* would do it, just that I would be hugely saddened to see the users spend so much energy working around something simple and straightforward and a download that is probably smaller than most of their e-mail for a day |
| [21:25:43] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: is the temp SG persistent? |
| [21:25:56] | Captain_Murdoch: | meaning does it get cleaned up? |
| [21:25:57] | iamlindoro: | ie, it won't get cleared on restart? |
| [21:26:02] | Captain_Murdoch: | no, it sticks around. |
| [21:26:05] | iamlindoro: | sweet |
| [21:26:17] | skd5aner: | heh – what's "temp" about it then? :) |
| [21:26:37] | Captain_Murdoch: | code is responsible for cleaning it up. I delete the theme zip from the MBE's Temp SG when the FE has downloaded it. I rely on the QNetworkDiskCache to cache the theme package, not the Temp SG. |
| [21:26:57] | skd5aner: | gotcha |
| [21:27:13] | wilberfan: | sphery, hey, dude... got my front & backend talking to each other... all that's left is getting the remote to work... you have any irc expertese? |
| [21:30:06] | skd5aner: | you mean LIRC? |
| [21:31:43] | wilberfan: | skd5aner, yes... |
| [21:31:49] | wilberfan: | sorry... |
| [21:32:02] | wilberfan: | brain's a bit tired...! |
| [21:32:37] | Beirdo: | ahhh, my brain's finally not telling me "more coffee, please!" |
| [21:32:41] | Beirdo: | at 1:30pm |
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| [23:58:42] | justdave: | I'm on 0.24... docs say hitting "Y" is supposed to switch tuner cards... I have 3 tuners, status says one of them is recording, one is watching livetv (the one I'm using) and one is inactive. But hitting Y doesn't do anything |
| [23:58:48] | justdave: | that normal or something missing in my config? |
| [23:59:22] | justdave: | seems like that ought to toggle between the one I'm using and the one that's currently inactive |
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