Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, December 16th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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wagnerrp:

meh, i just have an aversion to using BASH for anything but simple tasks

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allesmueller:

wagnerrp, I used mythnuv2mkv because I wanted to create files to play on android

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allesmueller:

I found something :) ... I think mythnuv2mkv stumbled once and left a (defective) file which was used in subsequent runs ... :|

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wagnerrp:

so create an exporter for nuvexport that produces compatible files

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kormoc:

expand nuvexport++

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** wagnerrp is just an anti-bash evangelist **

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allesmueller:

ha, the defective file was left because I activated DEBUG once in the past :)

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** allesmueller = stupid **

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allesmueller:

wagnerrp, should mythffmpeg be installed by default (when building from git?)

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wagnerrp:

allesmueller: only if youre using a very recent trunk build

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allesmueller:

well I actually follow 0.24, but there´s a commit message "Build ffmpeg as mythffmpeg and install"

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allesmueller:

but I could not find the binaries

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kormoc:

git doesn't work the same as svn. that only applied to the master git branch, not the 0.24 branch

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wagnerrp:

ah, so it is

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo just backported that today

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allesmueller:

ah it´s in external

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wagnerrp:

anyway, the point is that ffmpeg is frequently changing, as is the command line options

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wagnerrp:

building an internal ffmpeg executable provides a static target for nuvexport or any other utility to run against

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allesmueller:

and I am really stupid or to tiered

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allesmueller:

1:28 am :)

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wagnerrp:

external is just a folder for external libraries to be pulled into, theyre still compiled and installed with everything else

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allesmueller:

yes, I prefixed with /usr/local and it´s in /usr/local/bin like one can expect

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kormoc:

whoops

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wagnerrp:

basically, it just means if you build your utility to run off mythtv 0.24, you can expect consistent behavior in ffmpeg

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wagnerrp:

instead of having to worry about some users having ffmpeg 0.5 or 0.6 installed

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wagnerrp:

or not support mp3

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Beirdo:

as long as you configure with --enable-libmp3lame :)

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allesmueller:

sure, but now developers have to take care about regular syncs ... but users will have definitely better experience

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Beirdo:

we do the sync anyways

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allesmueller:

Beirdo, what do you think about mencoder?

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Beirdo:

we use it in nuvexport as well

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Beirdo:

it is often as good as ffmpeg or better

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Beirdo:

but also a royal pain to get command-line right, but at least it's not constantly changing

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allesmueller:

I still strugle the 3fps transcode/mencode problem on 2nd pass :/

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Beirdo:

that's sucky

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allesmueller:

and with strace attached it´s halved again

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Beirdo:

why would you strace it?

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allesmueller:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/YQnieFDV

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allesmueller:

to find why it is slow

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Beirdo:

what processor, what source formats, what output formats, etc...

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kormoc:

hrm

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allesmueller:

AMD Athlon(tm) Dual Core Processor 4850e

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kormoc:

that amount o futex indicates something was starved there

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allesmueller:

but at the end the CPU is idling

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kormoc:

that's cause it was sleeping

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kormoc:

select was running and not using any cpu cause it had no data

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kormoc:

wait

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kormoc:

you can't do two pass encoding via a pipe

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Beirdo:

not for the logfile anyways

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kormoc:

it needs to mythtranscode > /tmp/file and then do two pass encoding on /tmp/file

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kormoc:

that's why it was starved. there was no more data for it to get

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Beirdo:

not so sure

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Beirdo:

you have to run mythtranscode twice

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kormoc:

or that

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Beirdo:

once for each pass

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kormoc:

but this is mythtranscode | mencoder

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Beirdo:

that's how nuvexport does it

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Beirdo:

yeah, you'd need to do each pass as a separate run

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allesmueller:

I think mythnuv2mkv does the sam

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allesmueller:

e

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kormoc:

I bet if you set it to single pass it'd work fine

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allesmueller:

I have to quit at this point in time and will do some more attempts tomorrow with mythnuv2mkv, may update to latest version. If that doesn´t work I´ll give nuvexport a try. Thanks for your patient help so far! gn8

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[R]:

is it just me

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[R]:

or does it seem like mythtv-commits gets duplicates a lot

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Captain_Murdoch:

[R], known issue, solutions are being discussed. it has to do with git merges

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[R]:

ah

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[R]:

why on earth would anyone use an hdpvr with composite!?

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kormoc:

[R], they like to burn money

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[R]:

haha

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jya:

[R] not knowing the HDPVR, how else can you connect it ?

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[R]:

jya: component... that's kinda the point of it

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jya:

ahh, my bad, I read component before..

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jya:

composite felt so out of place that my brain adjusted it to component automatically

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[R]:

haha

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wagnerrp:

allesmueller: why did you leave before i got a chance to tell you not to bother with multi-pass encoding

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dashs:

Whither debian-multimedia.org?

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_Techie_:

is there anybody around that could help me setup my tv tuner card?

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[R]:

do you have an actual question?

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_Techie_:

no, i am in need of someone to aid me by guiding me through the process

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[R]:

thats what the documentation is for...

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wagnerrp:

heh... hehehe... hahahhahaha

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wagnerrp:

not to be outdone by Western Digital's marketing department

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wagnerrp:

Seagate has now renamed its LP drive line to 'Green' as well

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[R]:

lol

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, What's the MYTHTV_VERSION="b0.24-553-g6e1366f" from?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: when you download from git, it redirects you to file with that in the name

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wagnerrp:

i pull the filename, and then pull the file

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wagnerrp:

see 'mythbackend --version'

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wagnerrp:

same thing

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kormoc:

so it's unrelated to the hash?

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wagnerrp:

its the last tag in that branch, the number of commits since that tag, and a shortened hash of... the tree maybe?

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Hilikus:

how do i reset the screen resize wizard? when i set both arrows to the my tv the screen changed to just a small window that covers 3/4s of the screen

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kormoc:

weird

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wagnerrp:

its not a hash of the commit, im not sure what exactly it is

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Hilikus:

its not full screen anymore

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wagnerrp:

its the same thing you get from a 'git describe'

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kormoc:

kk, was just wondering if that's what we need to dump into the --version string sed replace thing

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wagnerrp:

should be, yes

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kormoc:

kk

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sphery:

Hilikus: there may be an easier way, but go into mythfrontend Utilities/Setup|Setup|Appearance, and change GUI width (px) and GUI height (px) and GUI X offset and GUI Y offset to 0

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wagnerrp:

or if you cant see enough to do that, you can specify --geometry on the command line

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sphery:

but if you specify --geometry, you'll need to reset them, then exit the frontend because size changes won't be applied while running with a geometry override :)

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Hilikus:

perfect, it worked

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Hilikus:

thanks guys

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toeb:

has the way myth uses to decide which encoder to use changed?

[06:09:09]

[R]:

i don't think so

[06:09:13]

[R]:

it always picks the best one

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toeb:

best meaning tuner with highest priority?

[06:09:53]

toeb:

they are all the same

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[R]:

the documentation explains in great deteail

[06:10:17]

[R]:

how it picks

[06:11:08]

kormoc:

it's fairly complex

[06:12:18]

toeb:

i know... i read it once..

[06:13:21]

toeb:

afaik if all encoders are the same it takes the encoder with the lowest id first... but it does not..

[06:13:41]

kormoc:

it also talks about other settings that modify that choice

[06:13:51]

kormoc:

scheduled recordings can also modify that choice

[06:14:39]

[R]:

toeb: its actually the input with the lowest id

[06:15:19]

[R]:

toeb: minor distinction but it matters

[06:15:37]

toeb:

[R]: the number shown on the mythweb status page? Encoder 40 [ DVB : /dev/dvb/adapter2/frontend0 ] is local o....

[06:16:03]

[R]:

that's the card #

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toeb:

[R]: i have only 1 Input for all cards

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toeb:

eit if this is what you mean

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kormoc:

no, he means input id number in the database

[06:17:26]

kormoc:

and it's not exposed

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[R]:

the order of the cards is not necessarily the order of the inputs

[06:17:38]

toeb:

k

[06:18:05]

[R]:

its really nice when you know how it works, cuz my recordings start on my QAM card, but my livetv starts on my HDPVR

[06:19:27]

toeb:

[R]: I thought i knew how it is working... :-/ And since i recently exchanged some of my cards it always did what i expected...

[06:20:14]

kormoc:

the approved sphery solution is to delete all your cards and inputs and start fresh, card by card, input by input into the order you want

[06:21:45]

toeb:

kormoc: this would delete all my channels and channelgroups... and i also don't want to scan for the channel icons...

[06:25:13]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, are you using that ebuild?

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toeb:

[R]: does the scheduler use cardinputid from the cardinput table? those are 43,57 and 67 and it still chooses to record from 43 and 67 first...

[06:29:33]

[R]:

the same content is avaiallbe on all cards?

[06:29:45]

[R]:

with the same listings source?

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toeb:

yes

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: ive tested it as far as starting to compile, but im not currently using it

[06:30:37]

kormoc:

kk

[06:30:44]

kormoc:

There's some issues, I'm fixing now

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[R]:

toeb: if all cards are equal, why does it matter what it uses?

[06:31:10]

toeb:

[R]: livetv

[06:31:24]

[R]:

toeb: huh?

[06:31:38]

[R]:

[11:30:48] [R] toeb: if all cards are equal, why does it matter what it uses?

[06:32:46]

toeb:

if ei start using livetv and it decides to use the second tuner on a already used card...

[06:33:01]

toeb:

i have to switch manually

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[R]:

huh?

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kormoc:

he likely means it locks to a multiplex and to go to a different one he needs to switch cards

[06:34:29]

toeb:

kormoc: right

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kormoc:

there's settings to control that behavior...

[06:37:10]

_Techie_:

i have just got mythtv-setup working, and am unable to select the scan channels button

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_Techie_:

is this normal behaviour at this point in time or have i done something wrong

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[R]:

_Techie_: depends on what type of input you have

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wagnerrp:

you cannot scan from analog capture

[06:38:59]

wagnerrp:

and you cannot scan if you have improperly configured another tuner

[06:39:01]

jya:

wagnerrp: I'm keen on upgrading my backend to something more silent. While at it I thought I could also upgrade the motherboard.

[06:39:11]

jya:

currently running a E8200 Core 2 Duo.

[06:39:46]

wagnerrp:

as far as motherboards go, im a bit out of touch

[06:40:06]

jya:

I like one of the Gigabyte board, an intel 1366 one ; it has 12 SATA ports. Would a i7 9 xx use less power than my E8200 despite the TDP being much greater?

[06:40:19]

jya:

TDP of i7 950 is 130W, vs 65W for the E8200

[06:40:44]

jya:

this is what put me off upgrading so far, my PC already uses about 120W on average

[06:40:46]

wagnerrp:

yeah, the i7s (the real ones with 3 memory channels) are all very power hungry

[06:40:51]

** wagnerrp pokes Beirdo **

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jya:

you mentioned two days ago that the TDP wasn't a good way of telling power usage

[06:41:46]

jya:

and that they may idle much better than the C2D

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jya:

the main thing I'm keen on is the 12 SATA ports ...

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wagnerrp:

right, since theyre going to quote the same 130W TDP for every 1366 processor, from the 920 to the 980X

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jya:

processor wise, the E8200 is fine as it is

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jya:

I have a Antec case, it's cramped with my 8 disks in... Had to put a disk in the floppy disk case :)

[06:43:29]

jya:

it's a P35 board, very neat board... plenty of expansion

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro has some 775 gigabyte board with 10 slots

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, if youve got spare PCIe slots, you could just grab a controller card

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jya:

My P55 has 6 SATA on the Intel controller, and two one of another gigabyte controller

[06:45:08]

jya:

yeah, but I need a new case anyway. it's easier to install a new motherboard in a new case, than take a motherboard out one and put in another

[06:45:21]

wagnerrp:

you may want to check out this... http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cp . . . le,2434.html

[06:45:22]

jya:

plus then I ended up with a dead case, while I have a spare PC otherwise

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jya:

mayvbe I could wait for the new onboard IGP, it's supposed to be really good. With VAAPI that may be the end of nvidia being a must for mythtv

[06:47:10]

jya:

looks like my E8200 would chart even better, the lowest E series being the E8600

[06:47:39]

jya:

disappointing.. I thought I would end up with a faster processor yet use less power

[06:48:05]

wagnerrp:

would depend on the rest of the system, i would consider anything below 85W to be pretty close

[06:48:17]

wagnerrp:

none of them really start to take off until you get to the i7s

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jya:

interesting that the i7 980X uses less than the i7 920

[06:49:10]

jya:

ah... so no QPI for me then :)

[06:49:17]

wagnerrp:

newer core, i think its 32nm versus the 45nm of the older ones

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jya:

why can't they make the choice of upgrading easy ?

[06:50:02]

jya:

newer = better.. but it's never that simple

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wagnerrp:

no clue

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wagnerrp:

anyway, under full load, your 8200 is probably comparable to a i5–660

[06:51:01]

wagnerrp:

which will probably be another 20% more powerful

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: what kind of consumption are you seeing?

[06:54:52]

wagnerrp:

jya: beirdo has one of the quad core 1156s, with a mini-itx board and 6 hard drives

[06:56:47]

jya:

I see they have some boards with SATA 3 now... are there disk out there with sata 3 ?

[06:56:57]

jya:

I would assume this is only good for SSD drives

[06:57:16]

wagnerrp:

yeah, a couple SSDs are all ive yet seen

[06:57:31]

Beirdo:

I dunno, I don't have a killawatt

[06:57:41]

wagnerrp:

UPS?

[06:57:44]

Beirdo:

nope

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jya:

the SSD I got for my laptop maxout at 270MB/s, which I guess is sata being the bottleneck

[06:58:18]

jya:

14 usb ports??/ who connects 14 usb devices to their pc ?

[06:58:23]

jya:

http://www.gigabyte.com.au/products/product-p . . . ?pid=3438#sp

[06:59:07]

wagnerrp:

maybe you have assorted things that all want to hook into their own header

[06:59:37]

wagnerrp:

fan controller, flash drive, etc...

[06:59:57]

wagnerrp:

(i mean one of the front bay drives for flash cards)

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toeb:

[R] , kormoc: I'm stupid, the first both cards were set to the same inputgroup... you may take something hard and hit me now.

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toeb:

i've no clue how this had happened... :-/

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: do you have any intention of updating the mythweb ebuild?

[07:14:11]

wagnerrp:

ive never used it, nor apache under gentoo for that matter

[07:15:49]

kormoc:

nope

[07:18:17]

wagnerrp:

anyway, if you want to build new packages, just do 'scripts/mythtv_buildebuild.py --hash=<whatever>'

[07:18:39]

wagnerrp:

for now, it has to be done in the overlay root, and it should take care of the rest

[07:18:56]

wagnerrp:

if you want to define specific package, do --packages=media-tv/mythtv

[07:19:22]

kormoc:

does it grab the latest current ebuild and update that or does it have a template somewhere?

[07:19:43]

wagnerrp:

it finds the most recent ebuild as per the naming scheme

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wagnerrp:

or if you define a version -v<version>

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wagnerrp:

it will find the most recent of that version or previous to base off of

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wagnerrp:

--type allows you to bump between _pre, _rc, or _p

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kormoc:

snaz

[07:20:53]

wagnerrp:

if you dont define a hash, it assumes its a tagged release

[07:21:11]

wagnerrp:

im going to have to add a lot more sanity checking, but it works for now

[07:23:06]

wagnerrp:

also, if youre doing more than one ebuild per day, youll need to do something like --base=0.25-pre20101215

[07:23:30]

wagnerrp:

otherwise, it will choose the latest, which will end up being the same filename as the one youre making

[07:23:44]

wagnerrp:

and since it reads line-by-line as it writes out the new file

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wagnerrp:

im sure bad things would happen

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** kormoc nods **

[07:24:20]

wagnerrp:

havent decided the best for that yet... maybe -rN or something

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what would be newer, 201012151 or 20101216

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wagnerrp:

if the former, that would cause all sorts of trouble

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kormoc:

it's a straight numeric compare, so 201012151 > 20101216

[07:29:25]

kormoc:

I just edited the existing one for now

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kormoc:

is SREV always the first 7 chars?

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Beirdo:

ah come ON

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Beirdo:

stupid nook thinks it has no internet... it HAS an IP

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Beirdo:

hahah

[08:08:22]

Beirdo:

it didn't like my classless static routes

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Beirdo:

sigh

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Beirdo:

hehehehe

[09:06:08]

Beirdo:

#1 thing to to after successfully rooting my nook color...

[09:06:20]

Beirdo:

install Android Kindle app

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Beirdo:

priceless

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Beirdo:

now I need Angry Birds

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_Techie_:

is there a good guide on setting up AV input or S-Video input with MythTV?

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Beirdo:

I like his toy.

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zoran119:

how do i get a tuner card out of the 'warm state'?

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rileyp:

is vdpau broken for the 260 nvidia driver?

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU is not broken, but the drivers themselves are not particularly robust

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wagnerrp:

warm state?

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zoran119:

wagnerrp: a more important question....

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wagnerrp:

hurry up

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** wagnerrp wants to go back to bed **

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zoran119:

wagnerrp: i have a dual tuner card and backend has been configured with two input connections (TV1 and TV2)

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zoran119:

wagnerrp: but frontend only sees TV1

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zoran119:

wagnerrp: don't worry... go to bed... i'll ask some other day

[12:07:01]

wagnerrp:

the frontend only uses the first tuner available

[12:07:20]

wagnerrp:

if no other recordings are in progress, it will always use the first tuner

[12:07:34]

wagnerrp:

you can access the other tuners through the 'switch input' key binding

[12:07:43]

wagnerrp:

or through the 'm' popup menu

[12:07:54]

zoran119:

wagnerrp: yeah... but there is only one listed there

[12:08:02]

wagnerrp:

if you open up the status page... http://<backend>:6543/

[12:08:05]

wagnerrp:

and there is only one tuner

[12:08:13]

wagnerrp:

then you have added the second tuner without restarting the backend

[12:08:16]

zoran119:

wagnerrp: ah... there it is

[12:08:25]

wagnerrp:

that popup list will only list tuners you can switch to

[12:08:40]

wagnerrp:

you are currently using the first tuner, so it is not available to switch to

[12:08:46]

wagnerrp:

so you will only use the second tuner

[12:08:49]

zoran119:

wagnerrp: i though that key 'c' switched the tuner... but it does someting else compared to m->switch input

[12:09:04]

wagnerrp:

similarly, if you switch to the tuner you see in the list, the second tuner will be in use and you will only see the first

[12:10:05]

zoran119:

i just got confused with the 'c' key

[12:10:12]

zoran119:

don't really know what it does

[12:10:17]

zoran119:

but that's cool

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zoran119:

wagnerrp: thank you! (not just for now, but all the other times you have helped)

[12:10:51]

wagnerrp:

np

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ThisNewGuy:

hey all – is anyone else getting seg faults in previewgen for shows that have a bookmark (in git master)

[14:27:54]

aputerboy:

I had a brain fart – I can't seem to figure out how to shut off thumbnails from the mythweb interface – i want to do it because i assume it will significantly speed up loading of the page when i have several hundred recordings

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Saviq:

hi all, is it no longer in 0.24 to use custom movie metadata source?

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Saviq:

or has the setting moved somewhere?

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skd5aner:

Saviq: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo#Metadata_Lookup

[16:32:11]

iamlindoro:

The metadata script output format has changed hugely since .23-- any old scripts will no longer work

[16:32:26]

iamlindoro:

so yes, the window to switch between scripts has been removed temoporarily

[16:32:47]

iamlindoro:

If you write a script that conforms to the universal metadata format, I'll add the script picker in its new location

[16:33:08]

iamlindoro:

but since there is only one TV script and only one Movie script at the moment, there isn't a window to switch them

[16:33:18]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_Universal_Metadata_Format

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[16:55:44]

iamlindoro:

Why do people think that their basic, "duh" ideas have never occurred to us?

[16:56:05]

iamlindoro:

eg, "The channel scanner is hard to use. Fix that."

[16:56:24]

iamlindoro:

Do thy expect that we will just exclaim, "Oh, crap! I never thought of it!"

[16:56:53]

jams:

yes

[16:57:25]

iamlindoro:

Haha

[16:57:27]

iamlindoro:

They are WRONG!

[16:57:42]

jams:

sometimes

[16:57:51]

jams:

most of the time

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[17:00:20]

skd5aner:

60% of the time, every time

[17:01:35]

jams:

so they are only 60% wrong with every request?

[17:03:28]

iamlindoro:

I really was trying to find a gentle way of expressing to Brian Murrell on the list that the channel scanner is *not* hard to use because we figure it's fine-- it's that it must deal with every single locale, everywhere, and that we just plain don't have the manpower to work on it right now

[17:03:32]

skd5aner:

pungent

[17:04:20]

iamlindoro:

And he comes back with another litany of suggestions-- while I appreciate where they're coming from, the issue is *not* lack of ideas, and he jumps right to righteous indignation mode

[17:04:39]

iamlindoro:

Sometimes being a Myth dev feels like being a rower on a viking ship

[17:05:34]

skd5aner:

nature of working on a FOSS project where the user is some "average dude on a couch"?

[17:05:35]

awalls:

if you make something simpler, you make it available to many more folks with less expertise; who will then gripe what you have provided is too hard to use.

[17:05:44]

iamlindoro:

I just don't know what people hope to accomplish sometimes with that stuff-- do they figure if we just get that one magic idea, theirs, that we'll get right to work and have it resolved by morning? E_NOT_ENOUGH_DEVS!!!

[17:07:05]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, it might just be that I'm sensitive to it because I put in a few straight days of fixing some usability issues in the scanner/capture card config this last cycle, and because I've actually put some serious thought into how to make it as easy as possible (not to mention som actual work to try to make it do so)

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[17:26:26]

Crys:

It's open source. If you want something fixed either fix it yourself (can be a lot of fun), get somebody interested to fix it or donate some money.

[17:26:53]

wagnerrp:

Crys: thats now how open source works

[17:27:10]

wagnerrp:

open source means you can demand a change if something isnt to your liking

[17:27:15]

wagnerrp:

you just dont understand...

[17:27:17]

Crys:

Some people don't get that because they see opensource just as free software with free support.

[17:29:38]

Crys:

wagnerrp: I know, I'm doing lots of open source development myself. But must software was either infrastructure or targets the enterprise market. When a company earns money with open source, then they are also willing to pay for an quick fix.

[17:30:11]

wagnerrp:

im referring to a specific mythweb 'user'

[17:30:38]

wagnerrp:

who had emailed the author demanding that mythweb be rewritten in python, since thats just how open source works

[17:32:03]

Crys:

Python ... I understand his point ;)

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[17:33:16]

Crys:

What language is used for Mythweb?

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[17:33:44]

iamlindoro:

php and perl

[17:34:00]

iamlindoro:

predominantly the former

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wagnerrp:

with javascript and a bit of flash thrown in

[17:34:28]

wagnerrp:

php runs the page, perl is used for some background tasks pertaining to file access

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Crys:

Well written Python code would make the code easier to maintain and extend, I totally agree with the user. But I wouldn't suggest to just rewrite a large PHP code base in Python. been there, tried it, ain't beautiful.

[17:37:45]

wagnerrp:

meh, i maintain the python bindings, and i still find mythweb far more understandable than say... trac

[17:39:01]

Crys:

Trac ... no comment on trac's design. :]

[17:43:31]

Crys:

I'm a Python developer for more than 7 years and it's my daily job for about 3 years. I've worked with very large code bases including Zope, Zope3, Plone, Twisted and development of Python 3000 (now known as Python 3.x). Trac isn't a good example for well designed API.

[17:44:23]

Crys:

I'm maintaining our companies Trac. It's a nightmare when something breaks in the rights and user management.

[17:44:25]

wagnerrp:

fair enough, its the only one ive looked at

[17:45:17]

Crys:

The words "complex code" and "permission management" should be used in the same sentence ...

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, thoughts? http://pastebin.ca/2021370

[18:01:07]

wagnerrp:

does /usr/portage/distfiles not exist?

[18:01:27]

wagnerrp:

i.e. you delete that folder frequently, or you have redirected portage to a new folder

[18:02:28]

kormoc:

ahhh, yeah, it's /tmp/distfiles

[18:02:32]

kormoc:

I'll make a link

[18:02:36]

wagnerrp:

hang on

[18:02:49]

wagnerrp:

is there some reference in /etc/make.conf i can use for that path?

[18:03:03]

kormoc:

DISTDIR="/tmp/distfiles"

[18:03:14]

wagnerrp:

so thats the better solution

[18:03:49]

kormoc:

I should have read that closer. Didn't notice the /usr/portage prefix

[18:04:46]

wagnerrp:

anyway, symlinking will work for now

[18:05:06]

wagnerrp:

but thats just one of many things that arent particularly robust

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[18:06:50]

kormoc:

Yeah, it's all good. I blame the sleepyness

[18:07:26]

wilberfan:

I've spent a couple of hours now trying to get my new mythtv/opensuse to connect to the database...

[18:07:44]

wilberfan:

the wiki doesn't seem to have ANYTHING about the "No unpnp" error...

[18:08:18]

wagnerrp:

'no upnp' means the frontend cannot find a backend to use for automatic mysql access

[18:08:22]

kormoc:

setup the master backend ip to anything valid other then 127.0.0.1

[18:08:42]

kormoc:

if you check your backend logs, you'd see a message like 'Using 127.0.0.1, disabling UPnP'

[18:09:09]

wilberfan:

i think it's 'localhost' by default... (or is that the same thing?)

[18:09:22]

kormoc:

We don't use hostnames, and yes, localhost == 127.0.0.1

[18:09:56]

wagnerrp:

well, access to the database does use hostnames, but thats a completely different setting than the one kormoc is referring to

[18:10:50]

wilberfan:

hmm... what would a valid entry be in there?

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wilberfan:

192.168.0.101 doesn't work either... (that's it's ip on the router)

[18:11:20]

kormoc:

the ip of the computer

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wilberfan:

does mythtv-setup have to be run as root, perchance?

[18:12:00]

wagnerrp:

no, it should be run as the user that is going to run mythbackend

[18:12:11]

aputerboy:

I had a brain fart – I can't seem to figure out how to shut off thumbnails from the mythweb interface – i want to do it because i assume it will significantly speed up loading of the page when i have several hundred recordings (tried looking through mythweb systems settings and googling but that didn't seem to help) – i'm pretty sure there used to be a way to do that

[18:12:41]

Crys:

wilberfan: what are the IP addresses of your frontend and backend? The frontend is the computer next to your TV, the backend hosts the database, files and TV cards.

[18:13:00]

wilberfan:

Crys, it's all the same box

[18:13:00]

kormoc:

aputerboy, 'Display Pixmaps' checkbox

[18:13:15]

wagnerrp:

wilberfan: then run the frontend as the same user that runs the backend

[18:13:23]

Crys:

wilberfan: 127.0.0.1 is the correct value. Is the mysql installed and running?

[18:13:24]

wagnerrp:

or copy the ~/.mythtv from one user to the other

[18:13:35]

Crys:

mysql server

[18:13:44]

wilberfan:

i'm the only user on this box

[18:13:56]

kormoc:

Crys, we do recommend they use their interface ip rather then the loopback ip

[18:14:27]

wilberfan:

okay, how do i verify my interface ip then?

[18:14:27]

wagnerrp:

Crys: basically, theres no advantage to using loopback, and it only causes problems down the line if they want to add a remote frontend/backend

[18:14:55]

kormoc:

wilberfan, ifconfig

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kormoc:

it should show you

[18:15:11]

wilberfan:

"inet addr:192.168.0.101 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0"

[18:15:27]

wilberfan:

but 192.168.0.101 doesn't work...so something else is wrong?

[18:15:34]

wagnerrp:

normally, the frontend reads from ~/.mythtv/config.xml, which tells it where the database, which tells it where the backend is

[18:15:43]

Crys:

wagnerrp: I tend to bind servers like MySQL to localhost but that's an advanced user thing

[18:15:57]

wilberfan:

how do i verify that mysql is up and running?

[18:16:00]

wagnerrp:

with upnp, the frontend directly finds the backend, which tells it where to find the database, which tells it where to find the backend

[18:16:04]

wagnerrp:

ps ax | grep mysql?

[18:16:18]

aputerboy:

kormoc: Is that the same as the "show pixmaps" checkbox (under TV: Recorded Programs) — because if even after saving changes, it doesn't seem to have any effect — or is it cached somehow requiring me to restart browser to see the effect

[18:16:27]

wagnerrp:

Crys: not really an option with mythtv, where all frontends require direct database access

[18:16:52]

wilberfan:

"2334 ? S 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/mysqld_safe --mysqld=mysqld --user=mysql --pid-file=/var/run/mysql/mysqld.pid --socket=/var/run/mysql/mysql.sock --datadir=/var/lib/mysql

[18:16:52]

wilberfan:

2475 ? Sl 0:00 /usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --user=mysql --log-error=/var/log/mysql/mysqld.log --pid-file=/var/run/mysql/mysqld.pid --socket=/var/run/mysql/mysql.sock --port=3306

[18:16:52]

wilberfan:

8663 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep mysql"

[18:17:06]

kormoc:

aputerboy, yes, that's the checkbox

[18:17:13]

Crys:

wagnerrp: It should work for a combined frontend and backend server

[18:17:22]

Crys:

wilberfan: netstat -lpn | grep 3306

[18:17:34]

kormoc:

Crys, it does, but you can't use UPnP with 127.0.0.1

[18:17:44]

aputerboy:

kormoc: hmmm why doesn't it work then??? do i need to restart my browser to see the effect?

[18:17:45]

kormoc:

Crys, the multicast routes are not valid for 127.0.0.1

[18:17:47]

wagnerrp:

combined fe/be sure, but then 127.0.0.1 for the backend works there too

[18:17:55]

wilberfan:

"tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2475/mysqld"

[18:18:01]

kormoc:

Crys, so no, you can't use localhost and expect upnp to work

[18:18:09]

Crys:

kormoc: ah, is MythTV using UPNP to find backends? nice :)

[18:18:43]

Crys:

wilberfan: looks fine. It listens on all interfaces and TCP, not TCP6.

[18:18:48]

kormoc:

aputerboy, seems to work here

[18:19:03]

wilberfan:

okay, i've changed it from '127.0.0.1' to '192.168.0.101'...

[18:19:06]

kormoc:

aputerboy, might want to clear your cache if you're using anything like fasterfox

[18:19:07]

aputerboy:

kormoc: hmmm I just tried reopening browser – still shows thumbnails even though box is unchecked — WEIRD

[18:19:17]

aputerboy:

kormoc: i will try that

[18:19:31]

wilberfan:

"No UpNP" "Can't Login"...

[18:19:56]

kormoc:

you also might not have valid upnp routes for your 192.168.0 network

[18:19:57]

wagnerrp:

wilberfan: as mentioned, upnp is only used for autodetection of the backend

[18:20:12]

wagnerrp:

if you just copy the ~/.mythtv folder from the user running the backend, to the user running the frontend

[18:20:14]

wagnerrp:

everything works

[18:20:25]

aputerboy:

kormoc: STILL WEIRD – still getting thumbnails even after reopening firefox and even after clearing cache (and confirming that box is unchecked) — could there be some overriding mythfrontend setting?

[18:20:29]

wagnerrp:

assuming you actually have the backend and the database properly configured and running

[18:20:43]

wilberfan:

wagnerrp, I'm the only user on this box...

[18:20:57]

wilberfan:

your last "assume" is probably where things are going bad...

[18:21:12]

wagnerrp:

wilberfan: absolutely wrong, you have dozens of users on your box

[18:21:16]

kormoc:

aputerboy, there isn't. it's a mythweb specific setting. Are you using some htauth?

[18:21:40]

wilberfan:

so then who's running the backend?

[18:21:49]

wagnerrp:

if you are running mythbackend through your init scripts, chances are it is either using root or mythtv

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wagnerrp:

likely mysql is also running as its own dedicated user

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kormoc:

ps aux | grep mythbackend

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aputerboy:

kormoc: I am using AuthType=Basic in my mythweb.conf for apache

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wilberfan:

"root 8842 0.0 0.0 3596 732 pts/0 S+ 10:22 0:00 grep mythbackend"

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wagnerrp:

so root is running the backend

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wilberfan:

so root is running the backend

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wagnerrp:

and your database credentials are likely to be in /root/.mythtv/

[18:23:45]

kormoc:

aputerboy, so yeah. I have no idea right now why that setting wouldn't apply. Do others like theme?

[18:23:52]

wagnerrp:

copy that folder to your user folder, and change the permissions so your account is owner

[18:24:25]

Crys:

wagnerrp / wilberfan: look closer, it's just the grep command

[18:24:39]

wagnerrp:

ah, so it is

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wilberfan:

Crys, sorry, what?

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wagnerrp:

so you have no backend running

[18:24:49]

Crys:

The backend isn't running

[18:24:55]

wagnerrp:

with no backend, you cant very well connect to it with your frontend

[18:25:01]

wilberfan:

so how do i start the bastard?

[18:25:09]

wagnerrp:

your init scripts?

[18:25:28]

Crys:

wilberfan: the command doesn't show the backend process, just the grep process with "mythbackend" as first argument.

[18:25:29]

wagnerrp:

something like... /etc/init.d/mythbackend start?

[18:25:56]

aputerboy:

or service mythbackend start if running Fedora

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wilberfan:

"/etc/sysconfig/mythbackend not existing"

[18:26:20]

skd5aner:

(or ubuntu)

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Crys:

wilberfan: screw SuSE ;)

[18:26:55]

aputerboy:

wilberfan: are you sure you have mythbackend installed and not just the frontend?

[18:27:10]

wagnerrp:

check the wiki, every minor version of suse has its own excessively long guide for setting up mythtv

[18:27:19]

wagnerrp:

aputerboy: you cant install the frontend without the backend

[18:27:21]

wilberfan:

i've spent 2 hours with the wiki...

[18:27:47]

aputerboy:

wagner – well in Fedora/rpm world one can always use --nodeps lol

[18:27:47]

wilberfan:

lot's of nice dead-ends...

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kormoc:

aputerboy, it's the same package

[18:28:55]

wilberfan:

I have mythtv-0_24-backend package installed...

[18:29:17]

Crys:

wilberfan: Specialized distributions like Mythbuntu and Mythdora are really helpful for new or casual Linux users.

[18:29:21]

aputerboy:

ahhhh – on Fedora atrpms the packages are separate – my bad

[18:30:40]

kormoc:

they shouldn't be. We don't support that style

[18:31:05]

wagnerrp:

specifically, the source doesnt let you install that way, so neither should packages created from them

[18:31:17]

aputerboy:

kormoc: I just tried in Explorer – cleared out all temporary internet files — still getting the thumbnails... — any thoughts on what i can do to debug? hard to imagine how I could be screwing up unchecking a check box :P

[18:32:11]

wilberfan:

anything useful here?: http://paste.opensuse.org/79237634

[18:34:28]

aputerboy:

wagnerrp – just out of curiosity, why wouldn't one want to just have the frontend on a machine that is used just as a frontend – like on my Windoze laptop I don't run the backend yet frontend runs fine alone?

[18:34:50]

aputerboy:

wagnerrp – so what is the logic behind combining both in a package

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wagnerrp:

aputerboy: because running a frontend-only install means you save all of 3MB used by the backend executable

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wagnerrp:

most of the functionality is in the shared libraries

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wagnerrp:

which both the frontend and backend link into

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aputerboy:

wagnerrp – what about the reverse – if i only want the backend, surely that would save

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kormoc:

aputerboy, again, no, only a megabyte or two

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wagnerrp:

surely that would save nothing, since the frontend is about the same size as the backend

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aputerboy:

wagnerrp – ok – not a biggie – just was being too purist perhaps

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kormoc:

aputerboy, our libraries are a twisted maze of passages that all look alike

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wilberfan:

why wouldn't I have a /root/.mythtv file?

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wagnerrp:

and its not like you can do away with the X11 libs entirely, since those are needed by mythtv-setup

[18:36:08]

kormoc:

aputerboy, you can't remove any of them without it breaking

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wagnerrp:

wilberfan: because neither mythtv-setup nor mythbackend has ever been run as root

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wilberfan:

we're not supposed to run them as root, are we??

[18:37:11]

wagnerrp:

its recommended not to run anything as root

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aputerboy:

wagner/kormoc: i see how ATrpms does it – Axel has separate libmyth libraries that are required by one or both of the mythtv-backend and mythtv-frontend packages – those packages are just really wrappers around the specific executable binaries plus the locales & basic themes respectively

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kormoc:

they share the same locales and theme files

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wagnerrp:

the /only/ thing you can remove is the specific executables

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wagnerrp:

which leaves you all of a couple MB lighter, for significantly increased complexity

[18:40:07]

wagnerrp:

the only reason you /might/ want to do it is if you have the frontend package require a full X server

[18:40:14]

wagnerrp:

while the backend only requires the X libs

[18:40:27]

wagnerrp:

but then its just a matter of different dependency sets

[18:42:36]

aputerboy:

wagner/kormoc – i'm not sure of ATrpms logic – i have always installed both anyways – but i can tell you that neither executable package requires the other in the rpm sense of requires. Axel is usually pretty good so I imagine that they can be loaded independently. Though I take your point that the savings are only a few MB

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wilberfan:

gee, this seems vaguely important: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Initia . . . tabase_setup

[18:45:59]

wilberfan:

duh

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skd5aner:

crap – it's so hard to tell where I left off exactly in the release notes now that the commits aren't serial

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wilberfan:

gee, it connects right up when you actually CREATE the database...

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wilberfan:

[facepalm]

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aputerboy:

Audio Question/Issue: On my now old Fedora machine, when I watch a recorded program it at first runs fine just as it did on myth < 0.24 (with the same video/audio limitations when running HD do to slowness of my machine. BUT whenever I press the left/arrow key I get a loud screech of continual static with video playing normally. Pressing an arrow key again resumes normal audio. Pressing...

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aputerboy:

...again gives me sqawking again

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aputerboy:

btw the screeching/squelching is so annoying that i should probably bottle it and sell it to the police as a non-lethal crowd control weapon

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simcop2387:

does anyone have any recommendations for an IR blaster for controlling a direct tv box?

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** simcop2387 is currently struggling with this http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=187566 **

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skd5aner:

simcop2387: what DTV box do you have?

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skd5aner:

simcop2387: if it's capable, you might want to try this – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Controlling_DirecT . . . _via_Network

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skd5aner:

otherwise – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Controlling_DirecT . . . SB_or_Serial

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kormoc:

usb control++

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sphery:

wagnerrp: odds that "[mythtv-users] Avoiding hard disk full messages" guy who says, "Video files that are archived are archived to another HDD." is archiving those recording files using his own procedure--which includes direct DB editing of the recorded table?

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simcop2387:

skd5aner: oooooooo

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simcop2387:

skd5aner: the usb control is what stopped working

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simcop2387:

either the port went out or the latest update for it (0x4440 on an H21, doesn't seem to be in the public yet) disabled it

[19:14:25]

simcop2387:

the network control would solve it though

[19:14:35]

simcop2387:

put it on the network for playback and playing for a while

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wagnerrp:

sphery: he did somehow manage to end up with 1.6TB of orphaned files

[19:15:38]

wagnerrp:

thats got to be some sort of record

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yep

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simcop2387:

wagnerrp: oh fun

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sphery:

I really think he's doing a DELETE FROM recorded

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simcop2387:

skd5aner: thank you! this seems to be working great!

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simcop2387:

makes me really glad i put that extra network card in the mythtv box to put it on the network for fun (playing with the upnp media stuff on it)

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simcop2387:

skd5aner++

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simcop2387:

lionsnob++ # for finding out the urls, i might write a nicer script for this too

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wagnerrp:

lionsnob?

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simcop2387:

wagnerrp: he's the one who wrote the script according to the wiki

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simcop2387:

awesome now my system is back to normal :)

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wilberfan:

I'm close! I can almost taste it!

[19:33:02]

wilberfan:

why would my "scan for channels" be greyed out?

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wilberfan:

and now I can't connect to the backend...

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wilberfan:

is there a permission I need to check somewhere or?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup does not connect to the backend

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wilberfan:

i know...the frontend won't connect...

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wagnerrp:

and if they backend is running, it would have the tuners opened and locked, and prevent you from scanning

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iamlindoro:

or if you are using a tuner type which does not support scanning

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iamlindoro:

or have not properly configured a listings source

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wilberfan:

i won't be using a listings source...

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wagnerrp:

you must use a listings source

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is worthless without one

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wilberfan:

i only record livetv or watch internet video...

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wilberfan:

broadcast via digital-to-analog converter...

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wilberfan:

so channel 3 is it....

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wagnerrp:

you still need a listing source so mythtv knows what it is recording

[19:38:35]

wagnerrp:

at the very least, you still need to define a video source and map it to the input

[19:38:38]

wilberfan:

i just set up recordings manually...

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iamlindoro:

See above-- you *must* complete all steps of mythtv-setup-- none are optional

[19:39:31]

wagnerrp:

additionally, its far easier (and far better quality) to just buy a digital tuner than use a DTA, analog capture, and an IR blaster

[19:39:31]

iamlindoro:

And if you want a VCR, MythTV is not the tool for the job

[19:39:36]

sphery:

wait, maybe he needs MythVCR

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sphery:

how they did it in 2001: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/VCR-HOWTO.html (which probably hasn't changed much since a VCR is a VCR)

[19:41:04]

wagnerrp:

if you want livetv, use tvtime

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sphery:

maybe http://www.tvdr.de/ , even

[19:41:22]

sphery:

(for the VCR type thing)

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iamlindoro:

But really, since you are in the US, you really, really ought to just get a schedules direct account and use it, you'll be glad you did.

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sphery:

wilberfan: though, really, using MythTV is a great way to go--just means you should get some useful listings

[19:42:12]

** iamlindoro reminds everyone that MythTV is *not* the budget choice, and is a luxury option **

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sphery:

ah, is this a anti-paying $20/yr for something that TiVo users pay $15/mo to get?

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kormoc:

Woo! First world problems!

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kormoc:

"I could get a extra cup of coffee a quarter or tv listings daily..."

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sphery:

s/tv listings/high-quality tv listings/

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sphery:

but you know, information just wants to be free...

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wagnerrp:

wilberfan: simply put, if youre not recording tv with mythtv, youre using it wrong

[19:45:05]

wagnerrp:

mythtv is not a tv viewing application, or even a tuner sharing application

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wagnerrp:

it is a DVR for time shifting

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sphery:

and it's a *wonderful*, luxury DVR

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wagnerrp:

and it is far too complex to learn and set up if youre not going to be using it for time shifting

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sphery:

and the listings themselves are well worth the $20/yr

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kormoc:

tv guide is $4.00 per one, 52 weeks a year...

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kormoc:

tv guide is $208 per year!

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simcop2387:

and tv.yahoo.com is free!

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simcop2387:

at least i think they still do it

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simcop2387:

yea

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wagnerrp:

simcop2387: same with zap2it.com

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simcop2387:

wagnerrp: oh neat

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wagnerrp:

feel free to negotiate with either for free guide data

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wagnerrp:

erm... wait... zap2it already nixed their free download access because it was being abused by commercial users

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kormoc:

ooh, so sphery I rebooted my mythbox last night and nvidia failed to load. Traced it down to my enabling a cpu freq scaler. disabled that and all was well again

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kormoc:

so doesn't look like I'm gonna venture down that path

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simcop2387:

wagnerrp: well if you're just going to use mythtv for the listings, i'd rather just go to the website instead :)

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** kormoc blinks at simcop2387 **

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simcop2387:

now i need to get my antenna adjusted for my hd homerun now that i can play the videos on the mythtv box for once

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sphery:

kormoc: weird... I wonder if that only happens on the mobile core 2's

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simcop2387:

kormoc: can't say i've run into that before, though the nvidia drivers have always been touchy about the kernel

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wilberfan:

wow...using the internal player...live tv is in slow-mo, there's no audio, and when I "ESC", the screen goes black and stays that way...

[19:53:29]

wilberfan:

and should there be 17 different backend processes?

[19:53:47]

** wagnerrp suggests buying a digital tuner, and hooking it up to the antenna directly, rather than screwing around with whatever framegrabber youre using **

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wagnerrp:

are you on 0.23 or 0.24?

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wilberfan:

it all works great on this same box under debian testing....

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wilberfan:

0.24

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wilberfan:

both distros

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wagnerrp:

there should be one mythbackend, and possibly several preview generation processes

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sphery:

if you've got no audio, playback will likely be messed up

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skd5aner:

simcop2387: np :) (sorry, was afk)

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sphery:

since playback timing is based off audio

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: did you ever set a timeout for the preview generation so that they would be terminated automatically after 30 seconds or so?

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sphery:

should be more than 30s, IMHO

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wilberfan:

yeah, i've got 13 mythbackend's showing in htop

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** wagnerrp suggests sphery read slowly and carefully **

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kormoc:

processes or threads?

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skd5aner:

sphery: just catching up on the commits, saw you removed the CPU+- profiles... interesting note, when I go into mythweb, then settings, the "Edit settings for:" host selector lists all my hosts AND CPU+, heh

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wagnerrp:

oh, i should read slowly and carefully

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skd5aner:

no clue how CPU+ got listed as a host?

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wagnerrp:

i read 'should be more like 30s'

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i honestly dont know why the preview generator would run for more than a second or two maximum

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wagnerrp:

unless it is spawned off as soon as the recording starts

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wagnerrp:

and waits until a predefined time to grab an image

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skd5aner:

hmmm – settings table Value=DefaultVideoPlaybackProfile data=raptor hostname=CPU+

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skd5aner:

it's like they got switched around or something

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skd5aner:

er... Value=DefaultVideoPlaybackProfile data=raptor hostname=CPU+

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skd5aner:

I do have a correct entry – DefaultVideoPlaybackProfile=VDPAU data=High Quality hostname=raptor

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skd5aner:

guess I'll just delete the bad one, although not sure how that got in there like that?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: remember our users favorite hardware choices

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wagnerrp:

30 seconds for /a/ frame?

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wagnerrp:

even a piece of crap sheeva plug shouldnt have any problem with that

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wagnerrp:

even one running a dozen simultaneous preview gens shouldnt

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sphery:

skd5aner: pretty sure that's unrelated to my code... I don't see anypossible way my SQL could have added a new host to settings--since the only SQL touching settings is a DELETE – https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/4cd818657

[20:05:33]

sphery:

wagnerrp: it has to actually do some decoding to get there

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sphery:

anyway, could go with 30s and see how many people yell

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wagnerrp:

and we could yell... told ya' so

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sphery:

and considering there's a new ticket talking about how it's decoding audio in the preview generator...

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skd5aner:

sphery: yea, not saying it's related to your recent commit – just somewhere along the way, myth decided to get the data and hostname backwords

[20:06:55]

wagnerrp:

of course we could interface the preview generator with the jobqueue

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wagnerrp:

distribute it out to frontends, slavebackends, or anything else running a jobqueue

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: not sure

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sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, now that you say it that way, I think that exact bug got fixed not too long ago

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wagnerrp:

sphery: of course that would actually mean interfacing it with my planned rewrite for the jobqueue

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wagnerrp:

and thats really progressing quickly

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sphery:

we definitely don't want to use the job queue in its current state

[20:10:35]

sphery:

if there were a way to say, "do this immediately," it would work for previews

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sphery:

but we need them now when we request them

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wagnerrp:

in the plans

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sphery:

since the frontend may be requesting them since the user's on the watch recordings screen

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: we could add a timeout on it though

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Beirdo:

if we didn't already, I just don't remember

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wagnerrp:

and then just have it fire a MythEvent when the job is completed/failed

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Beirdo:

and today's "deploy 30 new servers" day... so...

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: some commits not going to the -commit ML properly?

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sphery:

skd5aner: the out-of-master-and-fixes commits don't go there

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sphery:

could that be what's missing?

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skd5aner:

sphery: referring to this – https://github.com/MythTV/extras/commit/48f16 . . . 85647b75e22f

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ive only ever seen messages from the 'mythtv' repo

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skd5aner:

I've seen it from nuvexport too

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skd5aner:

(and extras)

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sphery:

and mythweb?

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sphery:

I'd expect the git_hooks stuff wouldn't be that important--but it's in extras...

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skd5aner:

haven't seen any commits going into mythweb except for a few initial ones by xris for .gitignores

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sphery:

so if you've seen extras going through

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sphery:

ah, then mythweb's probably taken care of--just haven't been any real changes to it, recently'

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skd5aner:

sphery: well, that's just where Beirdo is keeping the email script for tracking purposes – so if he's enabling debug because some emails aren't getting through, I was just curious which emails weren't getting through that he felt should of

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sphery:

skd5aner: ah, I see--you were asking if that's why he's doing that change

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sphery:

nvm...

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skd5aner:

yup :)

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hellome:

hey wagnerrp

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hellome:

can i install asterisk and freepbx on same box as mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

sure

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wagnerrp:

dont know what could prevent that

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hellome:

is there any thing for light control i can use inside mythtv?

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sphery:

hellome: MythTV System Events + your own scripts

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wagnerrp:

depends, is that light control in relation to mythtv events?

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wagnerrp:

starting playback, ending playback, ...

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sphery:

hellome: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:MythTV_System_Event_Scripts + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_System_Events

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hellome:

well when i wanta watch a movie or tv i want it to dim lights

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hellome:

can that be done?

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kormoc:

hellome, please re-read what sphery said to you

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hellome:

kormoc i did it don't say anything about lights

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sphery:

seems hellome needs more than a fishing pole and its instructions

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wagnerrp:

it runs a script

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wagnerrp:

its up to you to write a script to do whatever you want

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skd5aner:

hellome: then basically, to answer the question as you're asking it, no – nothing out of the box will control lights

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hellome:

so i would have to write a script to do the lights

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wagnerrp:

you would have to write a script to do the lights

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skd5aner:

... that could be triggered when an System Event occurs

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sphery:

and when you do, you can add it to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:MythTV_System_Event_Scripts

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sphery:

then we can give the next guy a fish

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hellome:

if i do i wouldn't share it

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** kormoc blinks at hellome **

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Wicked:

lol

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kormoc:

hellome, Gee. Thanks for supporting the community

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wagnerrp:

way to be magnanimous

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skd5aner:

perhaps the developers who wrote MythTV shouldn't share it with you then?

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Wicked:

then why should we share information with you?

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kormoc:

to be fair, his username warned us

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sphery:

wow

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sphery:

wow

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sphery:

I just can't believe that

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zoran119:

i entered the edit mode of a recording and set the delete markers, but how do i get myttv to delete to parts marked for deletion?

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sphery:

zoran119: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Editing_Recordings , top paragraph (which has link to specific instructions)

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zoran119:

sphery: cool, thanks

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sphery:

zoran119: Happy to share. That's what MythTV and Free and Open Source Software is all about, of course. (Even if hellome doesn't get that.)

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zoran119:

sphery: i just cannot believe how good this thing is...

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sphery:

zoran119: yeah, it's really nice--thanks to all the people who were willing to contribute to it. (BTW, my comment was spurred by someone in here who, after being told he could write a script to control lights on playback and then put it on the wiki for others to use, said, "if i do i wouldn't share it")

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sphery:

the attitude is so foreign to me, I just can't believe it was said.

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zoran119:

sphery: lucky for us, that person is an exception in the free software community

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zoran119:

sphery: mythtv is a proof of that

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

kormoc: heh, MySQL 5.5 is out... and we don't support it

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sphery:

wonder if we should put out a reminder on the -users list

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kormoc:

I bet your internet is down and you're just imagining this all

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Crys:

It works in Germany

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skd5aner:

oh now, it's a bad dream

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skd5aner:

er, no

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Crys:

welcome rest ;)

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skd5aner:

actually... I was navigating through the -commits archive on mythtv.org, and it won't respond anymore – can't get to the wiki either

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skd5aner:

I can however, get to code.mythtv.org

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Crys:

The wiki works as well.

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Crys:

At least for me (Germany)

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skd5aner:

It really sucks, because I have about 4 hours of edits waiting to be submitted to the release notes :P

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wagnerrp:

and the main page, and the code subdomain

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** skd5aner goes to copy and paste it out of the browser **

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wagnerrp:

works all around here

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yea, opendns

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** wagnerrp bets opendns arbitrarily put mythtv on a block list **

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skd5aner:

interesting....

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wagnerrp:

major domains shouldnt be moving things around that frequently, those mythtvers must be doing something.. shifty

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skd5aner:

http://pastebin.com/uUbjqPue

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skd5aner:

opendns is pointing the issue at the nameservers

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kormoc:

skd5aner, http://pastebin.com/CWT70i63

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skd5aner:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i just dont trust opendns

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: heh, I trust them more than my ISP

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wagnerrp:

if they want to provide a service, provide unadulterated DNS

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kormoc:

4.2.2.2

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wagnerrp:

if they want to provide protected, filtered, ad searched crap... i can get that well enough from my ISP

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skd5aner:

is that googles?

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wagnerrp:

those are... level3?

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kormoc:

level3's

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kormoc:

which is why google did 8.4.4.4

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kormoc:

(remember one, remember the other)

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wagnerrp:

i know theyve got that whole 4.2.2.[1–9] block for DNS servers

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skd5aner:

ah, that's right

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sphery:

google's are 8.8.8.8. and 8.8.4.4

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sphery:

(I know as I happen to be using them)

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kormoc:

hrm I was sure 8.4.4.4 was valid too

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kormoc:

my mistake

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sphery:

it was close--and your reasoning made sense

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sphery:

I was intrigued by http://dnsserverlist.org/ , but it's been returning 2 copies of the same address for several months, now (the 3rd address being their "test" server that records problems) and it seems to never change

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skd5aner:

I seem to be back to normal again

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sphery:

you mean your DNS is... we haven't yet proved you were normal to begin with

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** skd5aner is likely still dreaming all of this – I have a feeling someone is inceptioning my brain **

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skd5aner:

Beirdo – c18508f – is sox a new required pre-req for nuvexport (enough for me to call out in the release notes)?

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_Techie_:

how can i tell if my TV capture card is a hardware card?

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Crys:

Is it possible to control MythMusic from another computer or Android phone while the TV is off?

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skd5aner:

_Techie_: versus?

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wagnerrp:

all cards are, by definition, hardware

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wagnerrp:

Crys: in trunk, yes

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skd5aner:

Crys: yes, there are android apps out there

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Crys:

wagnerrp: yes to both?

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wagnerrp:

yes, there is a control socket for the frontend

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skd5aner:

although, as wagnerrp aluded to, support for that kind of stuff was just added to current trunk in the last few days

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wagnerrp:

no, prior to a couple days ago, the limit of control for mythmusic was just being able to emulate keypresses

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wagnerrp:

paul h added control interfaces to mythmusic

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wagnerrp:

and i added (untested) support into the control socket

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Crys:

very cool!

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skd5aner:

but you could, if you wanted to investigate some things that "sorta" work for android, look at mythmote and mythdroid (with the extra plugin)

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_Techie_:

skd5aner, versus a software based card

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: haven't got that far in the -commit log (the added control socket stuff) – was going to attempt that myself if no one else looked at it :)

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skd5aner:

_Techie_: not sure I know what a software based card is? The closest thing might be iptv or something

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wagnerrp:

_Techie_: do you mean.... V4L framegrabber versus hardware encoder?

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skd5aner:

yea... ^^ is that what yu mean?

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_Techie_:

yes

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skd5aner:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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wagnerrp:

what card are you in question about?

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skd5aner:

find it there... it should tell you :)

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_Techie_:

its a non mainstream card using the BT878 chipset

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Crys:

I'm still planing my hardware for my first MythTV box. It would be really great if my GF could easily control music playback from another computer without switching on the TV, too.

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skd5aner:

Crys: as wagnerrp mentioned, literrally added in the last 3 days

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: yes, if using ffmpeg

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skd5aner:

k

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Beirdo:

I want to make it so it's not ALWAYS a requirement (i.e. if you have 2-channel audio, where it doesn't use it)

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skd5aner:

why can't AC3 audio be kept in tact when doing something like h.264?

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Beirdo:

but to process 6-channel audio, I need sox as ffmpeg is retarded and won't downmix 6-channel PCM to 2-channel PCM

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Crys:

skd5aner: I'm used to run bleeding edge software.

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Beirdo:

because mythtranscode doesn't work that way. yet

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skd5aner:

Crys: I don't recommend it for mythtv (anymore) because the release cycles are every ~6–8 months or so

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_Techie_:

im not trying to steal mythtv users, but if your looking for ease of use with the ability to control it remotely via another PC, you could try XBMC, there is a mythbox plugin that allows you to connect to a mythtv backend to view TV

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Beirdo:

_Techie_: whatever

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wagnerrp:

_Techie_: anything bt878 is going to be a framegrabber

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Crys:

_Techie_: I'm also looking into XMBC, too. But MythTV seems to suite my needs better than XMBC.

[22:28:13]

_Techie_:

darn

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Beirdo:

it's kinda inappropriate to come here to advertise other software

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_Techie_:

well that aside, im going to have to try setting up a mythtv backend again

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Crys:

Beirdo: In my opinion it's fine to point users to alternative solutions. There isn't a single best solution for all problems.

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_Techie_:

does anyone know a good tutorial for setting up a framegrabber card to recieve analogue transmissions?

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skd5aner:

Still wouldn't meet Cry's scenario – XBMC, in that case, would have to be a replacement in relationship to his question – controlling music within mythtv

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Beirdo:

I'm afraid that advertising "competing" packages like that is not gonna make people very happy here

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_Techie_:

well, if they want to get upset, let them

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_Techie_:

i only seek to help others

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skd5aner:

oh well, don't worry about it

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skd5aner:

boht of yas ;)

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_Techie_:

are there any guides for setting up mythtv for analogue transmissions?

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** skd5aner hates github now **

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skd5aner:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/cfd7b . . . 2ae07c1764ce – looking at that, what date would you think it was committed?

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Beirdo:

whatever. :)

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: I use hate, very lightly ;)

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Crys:

Beirdo: pointing to other solutions != advertising. But I agree with that about the latter.

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Beirdo:

it looks like Dec 9 to me, why?

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skd5aner:

why would it show, on a backport, the original "authored" date and not the actual commit date to that branch?

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: because it was actually commited Dec 12

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Beirdo:

because that was the date it was committed

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skd5aner:

the original was committed to Master on the 9'th

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skd5aner:

it was backported to .24-fixes on the 12th

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skd5aner:

which is what that commit is

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kormoc:

skd5aner, you're looking for the push date, not the commit date

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kormoc:

and afaik, it's not exposed on github

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Beirdo:

git log is your friend :)

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skd5aner:

kormoc: fair enough, that's what I'm looking for

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: so, git log is something I'd have to do on a workstation with a pull of the branch right?

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kormoc:

yes

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Beirdo:

yes

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skd5aner:

no way am I going to do that

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skd5aner:

I just want to see the changes, not check out a ton of repositories

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kormoc:

skd5aner, but but but git streamlines the entire process, don'tcha know?

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skd5aner:

so I've heard

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skd5aner:

I don't have a dog in the fight anyway

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skd5aner:

off to make dinner

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oget:

is there an easy way to stop mythtv recording live tv? if not, what source files do I need to hack on?

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kormoc:

oget, you should have read the link I linked you

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kormoc:

no, there is not, and no, it's extremely non-trivial to do so. You'd have to rewrite a large chunk of the backend. Think thousands and thousands of lines including network communication

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nutron:

kormoc: you're just a pessimist. Learn to give the right answers already... would ya?

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nutron:

=D

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oget:

kormoc: thanks. the link tells me a generic answer. I thought maybe there is an easy hack

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kormoc:

oget, it was designed from the ground up around not doing that specific thing

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kormoc:

oget, the *best* you could do is perhaps setup a ram drive and point the recordings at that

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oget:

kormoc: Where can I file feature requests then?

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kormoc:

that's a feature request that we're not going to honor. it's against the core design decisions we follow

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oget:

oh ram drive idea sounds cool.

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oget:

asking doesn't hurt, does it? it is a user need after all :)

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kormoc:

Another solution is to add a menu entry to launch tvtime or any number of other apps that display in real time

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oget:

oh that sounds easy and to the point

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oget:

I'll probably do that

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oget:

can I customize the menus within mythtv, or do I need to modify some xml (or ?) files?

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kormoc:

xml

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Crys:

On several occations I read that channel hopping with MythTV is slow. Is this still true when MythTV is in browse mode?

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kormoc:

yes

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iamlindoro:

slower, evn

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iamlindoro:

er even

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iamlindoro:

since the scheduler has to work overtime

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Crys:

I guess you here the question on a regular base but I wasn't able to find a good answer yet. What's the preferred solution if I just want to browse through my channels and not use the PVR feature right now?

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iamlindoro:

"Don't use MythTV"

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kormoc:

seconded

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aputerboy:

can someone explain the hdtv entry in the recorded program table – it seems to be 0 or 1 if the recording is digital; undefined if analog – but I don't see any correlation between 0 and 1 and the resolution being 704x480 vs 1920x1080

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iamlindoro:

the program tables toggle the HD flag according to your listings

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kormoc:

aputerboy, there is no correlation

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iamlindoro:

The correctness, or lack thereof, is based entirely on how accurate your listings are

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kormoc:

aputerboy, I linked you to the query you need to use to get that answer the other day. There is no other true way of knowing

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Crys:

Damn ... I was hoping that I can replace my old DVB-S box with a Linux HTPC plus MythTV.

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aputerboy:

kormoc – i know and i am getting it via ffmpeg

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iamlindoro:

but kormoc, he didn't *like* your answer, so he's back to demand a new one!

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aputerboy:

just i was trying to understand if hdtv correlates at all with it

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iamlindoro:

ffmpeg will only give you the initial resolution

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aputerboy:

noooo i liked his answer

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iamlindoro:

the query kormoc gave you will give you the *accurate* resolution

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aputerboy:

yeah i know – but it's good enough for now

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aputerboy:

i know i know i know

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aputerboy:

i'm lazy for now

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, why do it right when you can do it right now

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iamlindoro:

My dating philosophy

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kormoc:

Explains all the free time for myth coding

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aputerboy:

lol

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iamlindoro:

Heh, little of that these days

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iamlindoro:

It all goes into the honing myself to supervillain class physical perfection

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aputerboy:

but what *should* the hdtv flag mean if it were done right

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kormoc:

We're still in git shock anyway :P

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iamlindoro:

it should mean that it is at some resolution greater than SD

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kormoc:

aputerboy, it means that the listings provider thought it was a hd showing. nothing beyond that

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iamlindoro:

and nothing more specific than that

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aputerboy:

ok – that's all i need to know – so my listing provider stinks then lol

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aputerboy:

cuz it's wrong about 50% of the time

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** iamlindoro nominates himself for "Myth dev with most visible abs" **

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iamlindoro:

you know, for the yearbook

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kormoc:

%s/most//

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Beirdo:

s/visible//

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I might be able to clinch the most visible belly.

[23:14:09]

Beirdo:

but I bet there's more competition there

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iamlindoro:

heh

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Beirdo:

OK, MyWi... work!

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iamlindoro:

true of any random sampling of the population, really

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Shadow__X:

:(

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Shadow__X:

atleast the intellegence of a random dev is much higher than in the general population

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iamlindoro:

*exceptions apply

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Shadow__X:

yes

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** kormoc shifty eyes and wipes the drool **

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kormoc:

I am after all only a web developer and as a web developer I don't understand basic coding techniques like bit shifts vs multiplication for speedups on modern processors

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iamlindoro:

hahahaahhahaahahahahaha

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** iamlindoro was there **

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** Shadow__X was not **

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Shadow__X:

did someone insult you?

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iamlindoro:

long story

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Shadow__X:

ok

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