Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, December 15th, 2010, 00:01 UTC

[00:01:46]

Rebecca (Rebecca!~rebecca@115-64-32-177.static.tpgi.com.au) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

[00:02:45]

hpeter (hpeter!~hpeter@178-83-237-229.dclient.hispeed.ch) has quit (Quit: hpeter)

[00:03:51]

Rebecca (Rebecca!~rebecca@115-64-32-177.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:08:10]

the_alien (the_alien!~till@xbmc/staff/thealien) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)

[00:34:28]

fruza (fruza!~fruza@18.Red-79-157-53.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:37:35]

fruza (fruza!~fruza@18.Red-79-157-53.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has quit (Client Quit)

[00:39:53]

JJ1 (JJ1!~jjensen@jeffjensen.dsl.visi.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:42:39]

Beirdo:

need more volume... Megadeth must be listened to at 12 or 13 :)

[00:43:14]

fruza (fruza!~fruza@18.Red-79-157-53.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:44:54]

Twigger (Twigger!~darren@66.87.0.17) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:47:35]

Twiggy2cents (Twiggy2cents!~darren@66.87.5.50) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:47:58]

Twigg (Twigg!~darren@66.87.0.18) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)

[00:49:30]

fruza (fruza!~fruza@18.Red-79-157-53.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has quit (Quit: Bye)

[00:49:31]

Twigger (Twigger!~darren@66.87.0.17) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

[00:50:22]

mzb_ is now known as mzb

[00:51:05]

skd5aner:

hmmm – I've had some issues recently with my frontend basically rendering itself and X completely unresponsive, even to the point where a kill -9 won't help kill the X pids

[00:51:20]

JEDIDIAH__:

Mega duck

[00:51:22]

skd5aner:

32450 mythtv 20 0 1051m 490m 46m R 100 24.4 23:57.60 mythfrontend

[00:52:26]

skd5aner:

mythfrontend takes 100% CPU, and I can't alt-tab to bring up the console or anything, and can't kill off X or gdm

[00:52:50]

skd5aner:

actually – even if I send a shutdown -r, it won't ever reboot

[00:59:16]

skd5aner:

I guess I'll have to see if I can recomplie in debug mode and attach to see if I can get a backtrace next time it happens

[01:00:15]

GrahamIRC (GrahamIRC!~GrahamIRC@93-97-162-127.zone5.bethere.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:00:46]

aputerboy:

Can someone help me understand the difference between the Myth Protocol commands DELETE_FILE and DELETE_RECORDED? Specifically, I know that DELETE_RECORDED will (try to) delete the file corresponding to the recording. Is the converse also true? i.e., will DELETE_FILE also delete the entry in the recorded table? If not, what exactly does DELETE_FILE do beyond actually deleting the file?

[01:01:55]

wagnerrp:

DELETE_FILE just deletes an arbitrary file located somewhere on the backend

[01:02:16]

wagnerrp:

DELETE_RECORDED deletes the recording according to the recording delete rules you have in place

[01:02:49]

wagnerrp:

that means it follows slow delete rules, and the rule that will move it to the 'Deleted' group, rather than actually deleting it

[01:03:25]

wagnerrp:

it also means it will clean up any relevant metadata, and either terminate any running jobs, or refuse to delete if there are any active playbacks running for that recording

[01:03:55]

wagnerrp:

basically... if youre deleting a recording, use the proper code

[01:04:32]

wagnerrp:

normally, DELETE_RECORDING will not remove metadata if it cannot find the recording

[01:04:49]

wagnerrp:

if it did, and the recording was on a disk not currently mounted, then that file would end up orphaned

[01:05:04]

wagnerrp:

the FORCE attribute bypasses this check, and will delete the metadata regardless

[01:05:14]

sphery:

skd5aner: that's almost definitely lower level than MythTV--like some misbehaving driver or something

[01:05:28]

GrahamIRC (GrahamIRC!~GrahamIRC@93-97-162-127.zone5.bethere.co.uk) has quit (Quit: Leaving.)

[01:05:32]

wagnerrp:

the FORGET attribute flips the relevant bit in the oldrecorded table, to mark the recording as viable for re-recording

[01:05:43]

hashbang (hashbang!~alex@213-152-35-50.dsl.eclipse.net.uk) has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)

[01:06:16]

sphery:

aputerboy: or use the python bindings :)

[01:06:19]

aputerboy:

wagnerrp – thanks that's what i thought – so in particular "DELETE_FILE" does not touch any of the recording tables...

[01:06:30]

wagnerrp:

delete_file only deletes the file

[01:06:33]

aputerboy:

sphery: thanks :) i know -

[01:06:50]

wagnerrp:

sphery: the perl bindings have a similar Program structure, does it not have a delete method?

[01:07:01]

sphery:

wagnerrp's delete_recordings.py is is so close to what you want

[01:07:07]

sphery:

wagnerrp: nope, just backend_command

[01:07:22]

aputerboy:

wagner: it has a delete_file method, but it should be easy to write a delete_recording method

[01:07:24]

sphery:

program pretty much only puts the data into named variables

[01:07:27]

aputerboy:

that was the reason for my question

[01:07:47]

Heliwr (Heliwr!~Heliwr@pdpc/supporter/student/heliwr) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)

[01:07:58]

wagnerrp:

aputerboy: what exactly are you trying to do (if sphery thinks 'delete_recordings.py' will already do it)

[01:08:57]

aputerboy:

wagnerr: well I want to extend it to be able to match on various elements of the recording. Since I am much better at Perl and don't know python, I figure it is easier for me to do it in perl even if more of the code is written in python

[01:09:03]

sphery:

wonder where delete_file came from and why it's there

[01:09:24]

aputerboy:

i already have a lot of perl code that will do what i want absent the calling of the delete_recording method

[01:09:36]

wagnerrp:

sphery: its intended for mythvideo

[01:09:44]

aputerboy:

Sphery: not sure but it's at the tail end of MythTV.pm

[01:09:45]

wagnerrp:

or for things like adding storage group support for mythtranscode

[01:10:00]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I mean in Perl bindings--it shouldn't be there

[01:10:07]

the_alien (the_alien!~till@xbmc/staff/thealien) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:10:27]

aputerboy:

it's a pretty simple method – just real a wrapper around backend_command

[01:10:33]

sphery:

guess maybe it was used by mythtranscode... but seems out of place--like putting the easy part of the process in place and ignoring the rest

[01:11:00]

aputerboy:

which is why it seems it would be easy to do the same for delete_recording

[01:11:02]

sphery:

considering all the complex stuff isn't done in perl bindings

[01:11:37]

sphery:

anyway, I think that rather than actually modifying delete_recordings.py, you just need to know what arguments to pass it

[01:11:43]

sphery:

and it will do what you want

[01:12:19]

aputerboy:

sphery's admonition to use python notwithstanding, can either of you point me to some perl fragments that use MythTV.pm — specifically, I want to see a good example of how one creates an object and connects to the backend

[01:12:27]

wagnerrp:

sphery: no, its not used by mythtranscode currently

[01:12:55]

wagnerrp:

aputerboy: youre looking to be able to delete groups of recordings based off some search parameters?

[01:13:18]

aputerboy:

wagner — yeah – not groups in the mythtv sense but more like a subset of recordings

[01:13:28]

wagnerrp:

delete_recordings.py

[01:13:36]

wagnerrp:

exactly what you want

[01:14:00]

aputerboy:

i'm feeling so stubborn here :P

[01:14:03]

sphery:

wagnerrp: maybe a few example command lines on the page would help people with it

[01:14:32]

the_alien (the_alien!~till@xbmc/staff/thealien) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)

[01:14:35]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, might be good to support a --help that actually prints out what search parameters are available

[01:14:43]

sphery:

aputerboy: as far as examples of how to use perl bindings, there are few of them--and many are bad examples

[01:14:44]

wagnerrp:

right now, you have to search through the bindings code for a list

[01:15:13]

sphery:

wagnerrp: has rewritten most of the useful scripts in the python bindings because the perl bindings left so much unfinished

[01:15:15]

aputerboy:

wagner/sphery – to tell the truth, I don't even know enough python to understand how to properly call delete_recordings.py

[01:15:26]

wagnerrp:

aputerboy: basically, the problem with the perl bindings is that they dont have a lot of functionality, so everyone repeatedly hacks in their own code for their own purposes

[01:15:31]

aputerboy:

but perl is so awesome lol

[01:15:39]

wagnerrp:

aputerboy: youre not supposed to

[01:15:58]

wagnerrp:

the python bindings used to be much worse off than the perl bindings

[01:16:03]

sphery:

yep

[01:16:10]

wagnerrp:

but since hardly anyone used them, hardly anyone was using them improperly

[01:16:19]

sphery:

until wagnerrp showed up and cleaned them up

[01:16:26]

aputerboy:

wagnerrp: well what exactly do I even pass the routine – it's not immediately obvious...

[01:16:39]

wagnerrp:

aputerboy: yeah, thats what i was mentioning needing a --help

[01:17:00]

wagnerrp:

right now, it just passes everything directly into the MythDB.searchRecorded routine

[01:17:35]

aputerboy:

but do I pass it a chanid & starttime or a title regexp or a filename?

[01:17:38]

wagnerrp:

so say you want to delete all NCIS episodes that have been watched

[01:18:02]

wagnerrp:

and... nothing

[01:18:08]

wagnerrp:

to be honest, i tested it once, and posted it

[01:18:18]

wagnerrp:

and that was months ago, i dont remember how to use it... :)

[01:18:27]

aputerboy:

lol lol lol

[01:18:30]

biffhero1 (biffhero1!~Adium@soi.silverspringnet.com) has quit (Quit: Leaving.)

[01:19:22]

Heliwr (Heliwr!~Heliwr@pdpc/supporter/student/heliwr) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:19:43]

aputerboy:

it seems to me that whether python or perl, one could do a whole lot with just a few methods — really all you need to do is be able to connect to the database, read values from tables (and with caution write back/edit) and call backend_connect

[01:19:51]

aputerboy:

everything else is just wrappers it seems

[01:20:15]

aputerboy:

well i'm sure there is much more... but I'm just talking the easy stuff

[01:20:26]

sphery:

ideally, send commands back--don't do direct writing/editing

[01:20:33]

sphery:

and you need to be able to interpret data

[01:20:35]

aputerboy:

sorry i meant backend_command

[01:20:38]

sphery:

which is a big weak point

[01:20:48]

sphery:

at least now

[01:21:13]

aputerboy:

well interpreting data to me is a nice to have — since it won't corrupt anything directly and you can always do it yourself — of course pretty methods would be nice but they are not necessary

[01:22:18]

aputerboy:

and to be honest it seems like for my purposes perl bindings does everything i need – i just could use a few examples to make sure I am setting things up write

[01:22:45]

sphery:

no, for your purposes the MythTV protocol does everything you need

[01:23:12]

sphery:

perl bindings /only/ wrap up using the protocol and stuffing program/recording data into named variables

[01:23:29]

sphery:

that's the problem with perl bindings--they don't actually /do/ anything, yet

[01:23:43]

wagnerrp:

im going to have to do some work on this... its not work at all as intended

[01:23:46]

sphery:

but it wouldn't be bad to do what you're trying to do

[01:23:54]

aputerboy:

sphery – well i figured that maybe they at least gave me one layer of abstraction to protect a little against schema changes

[01:23:56]

sphery:

I would recommend editing the bindings and submitting a patch if you do

[01:24:03]

sphery:

Beirdo: is probably the guy who will review it

[01:24:18]

wagnerrp:

might want to talk to nutron as well

[01:24:19]

aputerboy:

well i'm happy to add methods as i encounter the need for them and pass it back

[01:24:31]

wagnerrp:

hes doing some amount of significant rewrite

[01:24:33]

wagnerrp:

!seen nutron

[01:24:34]

MythLogBot:

nutron was last seen 13 hours 34 minutes 15 seconds ago

[01:25:13]

sphery:

last I saw, he was told not to waste his time

[01:25:19]

wagnerrp:

oh?

[01:25:21]

wagnerrp:

why is that?

[01:25:25]

sphery:

because the magical, miracle, new JSON API would come out

[01:25:26]

aputerboy:

i guess my only real point is that there is a middle ground between getting rid of perl-bindings and between making them 100% — as long as there is a well organized base of core methods people it should be useflu

[01:25:31]

Beirdo:

sphery: they don't do *nothing*

[01:25:36]

Beirdo:

just little :)

[01:26:20]

aputerboy:

wagnerrp – u mentioned that most examples of MythTV.pm usage were done badly, but even so can you point to one that might be less bad...

[01:26:47]

wagnerrp:

aputerboy: not so much that they were done badly

[01:26:59]

wagnerrp:

more that they just used the perl bindings for database access

[01:27:03]

sphery:

Beirdo: they only wrap up the protocol and stuff program/recording data into named variables--but don't do the actual things people want, like handle proper approach for deleting files (including knowing the difference between DELETE_RECORDING and FORCE_DELETE_RECORDING), handling errors, creating new recording rules, ...

[01:27:04]

wagnerrp:

and then did everything manually from there

[01:27:11]

jpabq (jpabq!~jpabq@174-28-182-216.albq.qwest.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)

[01:27:16]

sphery:

basically, they're unfinished--they provide only a foundation, but don't do things, yet

[01:27:18]

jpabq- (jpabq-!~jpabq@174-28-182-216.albq.qwest.net) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

[01:27:31]

wagnerrp:

ideally you would use the data handling classes in the perl bindings as they were intended

[01:27:37]

aputerboy:

wagnerrp: ok – still an example would be helpful – just to make sure i am setting it up properly -

[01:27:37]

sphery:

the scripts have always in the past done the things--meaning the code is completely not reusable (only through copy/paste)

[01:27:37]

wagnerrp:

rather than doing all youre own data handling

[01:27:52]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Perl_Scripts

[01:28:01]

aputerboy:

wagnerrp – perfect

[01:28:18]

Beirdo:

sphery: yeah, we need to get them up to speed :)

[01:28:32]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: not if nutron was told 'not to bother'

[01:29:04]

aputerboy:

btw, am i the only person left in the world who prefers cli's to gui's — i mean i use the mythtv gui for watching but for everything else i find cli so much faster

[01:29:06]

Beirdo:

I don't remember that

[01:29:17]

Beirdo:

and I've encouraged him since to work on it

[01:29:20]

aputerboy:

even for watching, i would probably prefer a cli btw

[01:29:22]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: yeah, i wasnt there for that either

[01:29:51]

sphery:

my understanding is he was told not to waste his time, with cdev's planned MythXML/JSON/SOAP/... stuff coming

[01:29:57]

wagnerrp:

aputerboy: like a curses remote control for the frontend? http://mythtv.org/wiki/Mythremctl.py

[01:29:57]

Beirdo:

hahah

[01:30:11]

Beirdo:

well, whenever cdev gets that out, we'll see

[01:30:12]

jpabq (jpabq!~jpabq@174-28-182-216.albq.qwest.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:30:30]

sphery:

not that the MythXML/JSON/SOAP/... stuff is in any way providing the capabilities a bindings layer should

[01:31:01]

aputerboy:

wagnerrp – curses to me is still gui lol – i mean i would so prefer just to type...

[01:31:07]

the_alien (the_alien!~till@xbmc/staff/thealien) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:31:09]

jpabq- (jpabq-!~jpabq@174-28-182-216.albq.qwest.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:31:14]

sphery:

granted, the bindings implementation may change to use the higher-level APIs instead of low-level protocol, but...

[01:31:37]

wagnerrp:

aputerboy: python is an interactive interpreter

[01:31:50]

wagnerrp:

most of my tinkering is done within the 'mythpython' shell application

[01:32:37]

wagnerrp:

oh CBS, why is all your video such garbage

[01:32:41]

aputerboy:

wagnerrp – ahhhh – well maybe i should play with that because the more recordings i have, the harder i find it is to scroll through and find them in the gui — and in some ways mythweb is even worse since it takes forever to load

[01:33:11]

wagnerrp:

i dont know if perl has some similar interactive interface

[01:33:46]

sphery:

Well, I'm happy that setiathome got their DB fixed just in time (after over a month of downtime)... Just got some work units last night--the coldest night of the year so far.

[01:33:59]

sphery:

unfortunately, my computers didn't heat the house enough.

[01:34:06]

wagnerrp:

oh no, i bet it dropped down into the 40s

[01:34:12]

** Beirdo headbangs to some nice Megadeth :) **

[01:34:25]

sphery:

wagnerrp: we got to 29F last night!

[01:34:37]

Beirdo:

nice

[01:34:43]

sphery:

better stock up on oranges ;)

[01:34:53]

Beirdo:

nah, just buy Texas OJ

[01:35:34]

sphery:

San Antooooniooo?

[01:35:50]

sphery:

(don't know how to type the accent in the Pace salsa commercial)

[01:35:55]

pizzledizzle (pizzledizzle!~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:36:38]

knightr:

Hi! To be able to push to git we must checkout from another URL (this will be my first commit using git)?

[01:36:44]

Beirdo:

I got it though.

[01:37:04]

wagnerrp:

sphery: so if the soap/xml/json interface is going to be all encompassing, is the backend protocol largely going away?

[01:37:05]

Beirdo:

knightr: you would have to checkout from git@github.com :MythTV/mythtv

[01:37:19]

sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, I doubt it

[01:37:20]

k_ross_ (k_ross_!ad40b024@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.64.176.36) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:37:29]

wagnerrp:

knightr: and you need to set up your PKE key with github so they can recognize you

[01:37:29]

knightr:

Beirdo, ah, thanks!

[01:37:33]

Beirdo:

which means, you need to give us your github account name (if you haven't already) and put an ssh key in there

[01:37:39]

knightr:

wagnerrp, already done...

[01:37:46]

knightr:

thanks!

[01:37:50]

sphery:

I think the protocol stuff is still under consideration

[01:37:52]

wagnerrp:

sphery: maybe its just me, but i prefer my data interfaces to be persistent

[01:38:14]

sphery:

wagnerrp: but Myth protocol isn't "standard" and JSON and XML are

[01:38:17]

Beirdo:

Ah, I see it there

[01:38:31]

Beirdo:

and so is protobuf

[01:38:32]

Beirdo:

:)

[01:38:32]

wagnerrp:

no they arent

[01:38:34]

sphery:

so if we support JSON and XML, then magically, anyone can talk to mythbackend and make it jump through hoops

[01:38:38]

wagnerrp:

its a standard language

[01:38:41]

sphery:

agreed

[01:38:51]

wagnerrp:

but its no more standard than our DB schema

[01:38:55]

sphery:

but that's not what the people who complain about Myth protocol being non-standard think

[01:38:56]

Beirdo:

I wish we'd turf XML

[01:38:59]

Beirdo:

JSON's fine

[01:39:11]

Beirdo:

XML's a lot of pointless parsing

[01:39:12]

wagnerrp:

i quite like JSON to be honest

[01:39:54]

wagnerrp:

you dont get the attributes like you do with XML

[01:40:13]

wagnerrp:

but its just so nice to use in object oriented languages

[01:40:28]

Beirdo:

pish to attributes :)

[01:41:15]

wagnerrp:

DOM has always been screwy IMHO

[01:41:31]

wagnerrp:

and while ETree is better, it still doesnt compare with just using a nice object

[01:44:38]

sphery:

wagnerrp: anyway, I agree that using JSON/XML/.../<anything> to communicate with mythbackend makes no real difference to those clients who wish to speak to mythbackend--they still have to learn the structures and commands and issue them appropriately

[01:45:08]

sphery:

but seems every time someone talks about changing the protocol, someone chimes in with how it will be so much better for 3rd party client

[01:45:33]

Mudboy (Mudboy!~zod@cpe-75-83-190-215.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:47:10]

Beirdo:

screw the third-party stuff

[01:47:20]

Beirdo:

we need to make OUR stuff work :)

[01:47:53]

wagnerrp:

gaaahhh... school closing tickers

[01:48:48]

k_ross_:

hello, i'd like to try jya's new audio changes, he asked that i checkout from git@github.com :jyavenard:mythtv.git, but i get a permission denied error

[01:48:53]

Beirdo:

that's what you get for living near oHIo

[01:48:56]

wagnerrp:

seriously, doesnt ATSC support some kind of structure for non-invasively transmitting such information?

[01:48:57]

jya:

k_ross

[01:49:18]

wagnerrp:

k_ross_: thats because you dont have commit access

[01:49:21]

jya:

did you managed to do a git clone ?

[01:49:25]

Beirdo:

k_ross_: you need to use the read-only ones... unless he gave you commit access to his repo

[01:49:27]

wagnerrp:

switch to the read-only link

[01:49:39]

k_ross_:

no, i can't do a git clone, i get the permission denied

[01:49:47]

jya:

wagnerrp: I thought I gave him the link..

[01:49:54]

Beirdo:

and it would be git@github.com :jyavenard/mythtv.git anyways

[01:49:58]

k_ross_:

that's the link you gave me

[01:50:02]

wagnerrp:

ah, well go to the github webpage

[01:50:08]

sphery:

k_ross_: you likely want git://github.com/jyavenard/mythtv.git

[01:50:09]

Beirdo:

that's for commit access only

[01:50:10]

wagnerrp:

there should be three options there, choose the read-only one

[01:50:18]

Beirdo:

up to 3 :)

[01:50:24]

k_ross_:

ok will do, thanks

[01:50:31]

wagnerrp:

either of the other two for read-write will deny permission

[01:50:32]

sphery:

right,, only 2 if you don't have write access :)

[01:50:33]

Beirdo:

if you don't have commit access, it likely won't show that one

[01:51:00]

vezza (vezza!~andrea__@host184-40-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has quit (Quit: Sto andando via)

[01:51:03]

jya:

k_ross: git clone git://github.com/jyavenard/mythtv.git

[01:52:28]

k_ross_:

jya, i just found it on the web page, thanks :) it's cloning now

[01:53:15]

jya:

k_ross: are you running ubuntu?

[01:53:30]

jya:

in about 20 minutes I'll have finished compiling

[01:54:04]

jya:

and make sure you read: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:HDAudioPassthrough

[01:54:49]

k_ross_:

no, debian squeeze

[02:00:43]

tictric (tictric!~quassel@unaffiliated/tictric) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:04:00]

tictric_ (tictric_!~quassel@unaffiliated/tictric) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)

[02:15:40]

Beirdo:

OK, home time before I faceplant on my keyboard

[02:20:06]

knightr:

jya, fix committed to master and fixes. Should be OK now, let me know if that's not the case (can't test it here since I don't have 7.1...)

[02:20:21]

jya:

knightr it's easy to test

[02:20:34]

jya:

type anything manually in the device field

[02:20:39]

jya:

7.1 will show up

[02:20:51]

jya:

you can configure anything in manual mode

[02:21:03]

wagnerrp:

i dont know what i just got in my eye, but it burns

[02:21:13]

knightr:

jya, ah ok, didn't know I could see it even without the hardware... Thanks for the info!

[02:21:30]

knightr:

I'll do a checkout and test it then...

[02:24:12]

knightr:

jya, BTW, with what was released a month ago is it possible that somebody could get a sound that doesn't stop after playback and requires a hard reset? (Somebody I know has that problem)

[02:24:48]

jya:

knightr: not sure, for audio to work to require a hard reset, means it's a driver problem.. not much myth can do

[02:25:17]

knightr:

jya, ah ok... Thanks.. I'll let him know... Thank you very much!

[02:25:29]

jya:

I've heard of some cards being buggy if playing anything else but 48kHz

[02:25:40]

jya:

that's why I added the "force resample to 48kHz" option

[02:25:49]

jya:

just to make sure they don't get anything else

[02:26:14]

knightr:

jya, that was added recently though I think, right? (the package he has is the released 0.24...)

[02:26:33]

jya:

i think I added it in 0.23

[02:26:39]

jya:

can't remember..

[02:26:53]

knightr:

ah ok... I'll ask him to check for that, thanks!

[02:27:10]

jya:

but it's a problem he would have had with anything using audio

[02:27:21]

jya:

tell him to get a different audio card :)

[02:28:06]

jya:

if he's using digital audio: get a GT430, get both great video playback capabilities, and audio

[02:28:20]

knightr:

jya, I would suggest him to buy another video card too (he has an ATI/AMD)... Problem is he got an mATX motherboard and doesn't have that many slots...

[02:28:46]

knightr:

jya, hmm, good idea... :)

[02:28:51]

jya:

he's using onboard video?

[02:29:12]

knightr:

yep, onboard video (and onboard sound)...

[02:29:17]

knightr:

:(

[02:29:23]

jya:

the gt430 his my new recommendation for a video card in myth

[02:29:40]

jya:

it's uses 20% less power than the GT220 according to specs, and it's tiny

[02:29:50]

knightr:

wish I knew that before I got my GT240...

[02:30:16]

jya:

tell me about it, I bought two GT220 just for myth

[02:30:47]

knightr:

ouch... he, there's always fleabay to get rid of them... :)

[02:31:04]

jya:

yeah... in a box on a shelf :)

[02:31:49]

knightr:

yeah, there's that way too...

[02:31:50]

[R] ([R]!~rbox@unaffiliated/rbox) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:32:56]

knightr:

thank jya, ttyl!

[02:33:31]

[R]:

iamlindoro: you there?

[02:33:33]

deathadder (deathadder!~no@ganjaman.gotadsl.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:35:02]

the_alien (the_alien!~till@xbmc/staff/thealien) has quit (Quit: the_alien)

[02:45:26]

deathadder (deathadder!~no@ganjaman.gotadsl.co.uk) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

[02:47:17]

[R] ([R]!~rbox@unaffiliated/rbox) has quit (Quit: Leaving)

[02:47:58]

Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!~chris@h231.136.185.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:49:57]

[R] ([R]!~rbox@unaffiliated/rbox) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:51:38]

deathadder (deathadder!~no@ganjaman.gotadsl.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:02:48]

hellome (hellome!~hellome@c-69-253-65-8.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)

[03:10:00]

rpgdude (rpgdude!~user@2002:4576:37e6:0:215:afff:febc:d97c) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:10:03]

rpgdude:

hey

[03:10:20]

rpgdude:

so i just discovered the firewire port on the back of my cable box

[03:10:38]

rpgdude:

the cable company covered the port with a sticker

[03:10:48]

[R]:

lol

[03:12:04]

wagnerrp:

now you get to have fun forcing them to enable it

[03:12:17]

wagnerrp:

i assume youre in the US?

[03:12:24]

wagnerrp:

cant tell from the IP address

[03:19:14]

Witmore (Witmore!~nimdA@cpe-107-10-135-165.columbus.res.rr.com) has left #mythtv-users ()

[03:22:24]

biffhero (biffhero!~Adium@c-67-188-68-223.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:23:17]

rpgdude:

yeah US

[03:23:27]

rpgdude:

wait so you are saying its disabled?

[03:24:09]

[R]:

by law its supposed to be enabled

[03:24:12]

[R]:

but that doesnt mean anyting

[03:24:19]

[R]:

and even if it is enabled

[03:24:35]

[R]:

theres a veyr high chance your not gonna be able to capture any cahnnels from it... or you'll be able to capture locals... whihc you can capture over QAM

[03:24:40]

rpgdude:

yeah i was reading that its the law

[03:25:42]

Beirdo:

well, more an FCC regulation

[03:25:50]

wagnerrp:

yeah, you may have to go so far as starting to quote FCC regs before they turn it on for you

[03:25:53]

[R]:

good point

[03:26:03]

Beirdo:

law indicates it was something passed by a legislative body

[03:26:03]

[R]:

i called Cox once about firewire

[03:26:11]

[R]:

the stupid person was like "Firewall? let me transfer you"

[03:26:21]

wagnerrp:

and even then, all it means is the device can receive commands and send video according to 5C management

[03:28:34]

[R]:

but i've never heard of an enabled firewire port that doesnt respond to channel change commands

[03:28:39]

[R]:

i heart channel change over firewire :)

[03:28:50]

hellome (hellome!~hellome@c-69-253-65-8.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:30:47]

rpgdude:

the manual doesnt say anything about it being disabled

[03:30:56]

rpgdude:

is there an easy way to test it

[03:30:57]

[R]:

lol

[03:31:01]

[R]:

plug it and try t use it

[03:33:48]

rpgdude:

one problem, no firewire interface on desktop

[03:33:54]

rpgdude:

:(

[03:34:25]

rpgdude:

now i need to buy another piece of hardware

[03:34:35]

[R]:

i got my firewire card on dealextreme

[03:34:36]

[R]:

super cheap

[03:34:38]

rpgdude:

actually, i think my work laptop might have firewire

[03:37:20]

rpgdude:

yeah it does

[03:37:47]

rpgdude:

what command should i run?

[03:38:30]

[R]:

command?

[03:39:40]

rpgdude:

yeah to test if its enabled

[03:40:12]

[R]:

well plugreport will tell you if it detects it

[03:40:19]

hellome (hellome!~hellome@c-69-253-65-8.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

[03:40:19]

[R]:

but that doestn say anything on its usability

[03:45:25]

hellome (hellome!~hellome@c-69-253-65-8.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:49:02]

pizzledizzle (pizzledizzle!~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has quit ()

[03:50:35]

hellome (hellome!~hellome@c-69-253-65-8.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

[03:52:24]

rpgdude:

ok

[03:52:30]

rpgdude:

it dumped some stuff

[03:52:36]

rpgdude:

/dev/fw1

[03:53:01]

rpgdude:

how do i test usability?

[03:53:09]

[R]:

'theres some testing stuff in the wiki

[03:53:55]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!~ryebrye@67.199.189.49) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

[03:54:34]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!~ryebrye@67.199.189.49) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:55:37]

nutron (nutron!~dserban@S010600195b2f0f96.ok.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:56:06]

nutron:

any recommendations on super simple/small network upnp player that can read myth recordings (I know they all can, it's just a requirement ;)

[03:57:50]

hellome (hellome!~hellome@c-69-253-65-8.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:57:52]

[R]:

i use a patriot box office

[03:57:59]

[R]:

i knwo somee people on the ml like the wd hdtv thing

[03:58:58]

nutron:

[R]: does it meet your needs? speed? interface?

[03:59:44]

[R]:

its crap

[03:59:48]

[R]:

but so are all upnp players

[04:00:06]

nutron:

:/ heh ok, then... well... why's it crap?

[04:00:11]

[R]:

the interface sucks

[04:00:15]

[R]:

its linux, but closed source

[04:00:23]

nutron:

ah, wth? gpl anyone?

[04:00:30]

[R]:

they aren't violating the gpl

[04:00:39]

[R]:

you can use linux and still use closed source stuff

[04:00:46]

wagnerrp:

the bits of linux theyre using are open source

[04:00:57]

nutron:

ahh I see, so no modifications then

[04:00:59]

wagnerrp:

but most of what they do is just hand off the video stream to the hardware

[04:01:10]

wagnerrp:

and their hardware drivers are closed source

[04:01:50]

nutron:

ahh

[04:01:56]

nutron:

meh, that's ok for <100

[04:08:16]

And4713 (And4713!~And4713@c-98-201-146-20.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:09:07]

Mudboy (Mudboy!~zod@cpe-75-83-190-215.socal.res.rr.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

[04:10:00]

And4713 (And4713!~And4713@c-98-201-146-20.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[04:11:04]

Mudboy (Mudboy!~zod@cpe-75-83-190-215.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:14:44]

misto (misto!~misto@64.17.253.218) has quit (Quit: misto)

[04:20:10]

jamesd2 (jamesd2!~jamesd@97-88-255-94.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:29:04]

rpgdude:

i tried to compile firewire_tester.c, but i get a bunch of compiler errors

[04:29:21]

rpgdude:

stray \302 error

[04:35:08]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: im naming my tv shows as movies, why is it using the TV grabber for metadata?????

[04:35:15]

wagnerrp:

erm... movie grabber

[04:35:21]

wagnerrp:

man... i botched that one

[04:41:32]

rpgdude:

nm i fixed it

[04:41:43]

rpgdude:

so heres the deal, firewire_tester seems to work

[04:41:52]

rpgdude:

but test-mpeg2 didnt

[04:42:21]

rpgdude:

also, p2p works but broadcast doesnt

[04:42:55]

rpgdude:

plugctl doesnt change the channel, it just stays at 0 no matter what i try

[04:43:19]

rpgdude:

but firewire-tester receives packets success!

[04:44:19]

rpgdude:

is there any way to test record using the p2p?

[04:49:23]

ekoffel (ekoffel!~hellome@c-69-253-65-8.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:49:52]

jamesd2 (jamesd2!~jamesd@97-88-255-94.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)

[04:51:33]

hellome (hellome!~hellome@c-69-253-65-8.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)

[05:02:08]

Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!~chris@h231.136.185.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has quit (Quit: I am called onward)

[05:03:19]

** [R] does the super evil laugh **

[05:05:11]

kha (kha!~khautio@hautio.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)

[05:11:54]

JEDIDIAH__ (JEDIDIAH__!~jedi@cpe-76-185-72-21.tx.res.rr.com) has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)

[05:13:03]

rpgdude:

i tried stb-command

[05:13:11]

rpgdude:

power_on and power_off work

[05:13:21]

rpgdude:

does this mean the port is enabled?

[05:14:06]

[R]:

plugreport told you it was enabled

[05:14:23]

[R]:

firewire-tester told you it was enabled

[05:22:01]

rpgdude:

yeah

[05:22:14]

rpgdude:

but test-mpeg2 doesnt record anything

[05:22:42]

rpgdude:

well, something is getting streamed, but the file produced is unplayable with mplayer

[05:22:51]

[R]:

i was never able to recortd anything... than again... anything ican get over firewire, i can get over QAM, so theres no point

[05:23:55]

rpgdude:

right

[05:24:22]

[R]:

awwwwwwww

[05:24:22]

rpgdude:

well, mplayer detects the mimetype and everything, but it says there is no audio or video stream

[05:24:24]

[R]:

the kittie was using a bottle

[05:24:53]

rpgdude:

i guess the only way to test this is to install mythtv huh

[05:26:45]

[R]:

well if you can't get the stuff in the wiki working...

[05:33:35]

rpgdude:

yeah, i will probably try some more stuff tomorrow

[05:34:58]

kha (kha!~khautio@hautio.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:36:09]

Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!~chris@h231.136.185.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:37:58]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: where did you say i could put this ebuild update script that portage would ignore it?

[05:40:14]

kormoc:

scripts/

[05:40:37]

wagnerrp:

ok, im just starting it from scratch since i couldnt find my old one

[05:40:42]

wagnerrp:

plus it was rather limited anyway

[05:40:47]

rpgdude:

test-mpeg2 is streaming something nonzero so im assuming it should work once setup in myth

[05:41:00]

wagnerrp:

im going to completely bypass the whole wget/ssl issue for now by putting the downloading into the update script

[05:41:17]

wagnerrp:

the official ebuilds will be mirrored on the gentoo server, so it wont be an issue there

[05:42:15]

kormoc:

sphery pointed out that if we just depended on >=wget-1.12-r1 it shouldn't be a problem, no?

[05:42:30]

wagnerrp:

dont know, havent actually tested the updated wget build

[05:42:36]

wagnerrp:

we could just put that as a dependency

[05:43:17]

kormoc:

whoops, -r3

[05:43:19]

kormoc:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/344939

[05:43:46]

sphery:

oh, great, now the whole world things /I/ was wrong

[05:43:52]

sphery:

thinks

[05:44:11]

sphery:

seems I was wrong when I spelled that

[05:44:28]

wagnerrp:

eh?

[05:44:30]

kormoc:

Whoops! Beirdo can change the logs!

[05:48:18]

hadees (hadees!~hadees@72-48-211-19.dyn.grandenetworks.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:55:11]

rpgdude (rpgdude!~user@2002:4576:37e6:0:215:afff:febc:d97c) has quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs))

[05:57:39]

sphery:

I'm trying to decide whether to run wdidle3 on my Caviar Greens... I only have a Load_Cycle_Count of 3390, right now, after months of use (though that is something like 1% of the rated number, I think)

[05:58:00]

sphery:

friend has 26K on his with the same number of months usage

[05:58:27]

wagnerrp:

is that something that pings it every few seconds?

[05:59:05]

sphery:

the WD Greens park heads after 8s of inactivity

[05:59:15]

wagnerrp:

yeah

[05:59:17]

kormoc:

can't you tune that with hdparam?

[05:59:30]

kormoc:

(%s/hd/sd/ ?)

[05:59:34]

sphery:

everyone talks about using wdidle3

[05:59:55]

wagnerrp:

well you know, everyone likes to didle 'things'

[06:00:14]

sphery:

I made a DOS boot disk on my usb flash drive for updating my Samsung F4 firmware and threw wdidle3 on there, so it's easy enough to run wdidle3

[06:00:22]

sphery:

just trying to decide if it's smart

[06:00:37]

wagnerrp:

oh, thats a utility to change the park time

[06:00:39]

sphery:

after all, http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?g . . . &sid=113 , says, "CAUTION: Do not attempt to run this software on any hard drives other than what is listed above."

[06:00:44]

wagnerrp:

i through that was some daemon that runs on your system

[06:00:56]

sphery:

no, dos firmware-modifying thing

[06:02:07]

wagnerrp:

i should check what mine are

[06:05:51]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: would it be worth some code in the update script to see if there have actually been changes since the last package?

[06:06:07]

wagnerrp:

so were not needlessly updating plugins

[06:06:15]

kormoc:

hrm

[06:06:21]

wagnerrp:

on one hand, i think it would be nice

[06:06:33]

wagnerrp:

on the other, i think thats only a couple minutes of compile time even on my backend

[06:06:37]

wagnerrp:

not sure it would be worth it

[06:06:46]

kormoc:

I've just considered plugins to be nearly free so haven't bothered, but if you want to, I wouldn't mind

[06:07:04]

wagnerrp:

and even if i did, i would need to add in a '--force' in case someone makes an ABI change that forces a recompile

[06:08:02]

kormoc:

with ccache, it's really just a minute for all my plugins

[06:08:23]

kormoc:

granted, is only music and video, but still, not something I've ever really got an itch about

[06:08:45]

wagnerrp:

without ccache, and installing most of them, and even with unpacking each individually, its only about five minutes on my DC 2.6

[06:09:00]

wagnerrp:

meh, something i can add later

[06:10:59]

kormoc:

we should add the 0.24 ones to that repo as well and make them arch and make sure the 0.25pres are ~arch

[06:11:23]

wagnerrp:

yeah, im supporting the official tagged releases as well, for anyone who wants them

[06:12:25]

wagnerrp:

sphery: id say theres some things smartmontools isnt reading properly here... http://pastebin.com/9ZQSjVE4

[06:13:39]

sphery:

heh, looks that way

[06:13:48]

sphery:

I used smartctl -a to get the load cycle count

[06:13:57]

wagnerrp:

ditto

[06:14:21]

wagnerrp:

both of my drives have had 256 cycles, and were manufacturered over 8 years ago

[06:14:27]

wagnerrp:

oh, and im using fiber channel

[06:17:11]

wagnerrp:

seems i cant read off my areca card

[06:18:13]

wagnerrp:

and thats not an attribute provided by my firmware

[06:22:12]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: were doing _pre now? not _alpha?

[06:22:23]

kormoc:

ahh, _alpha

[06:22:25]

kormoc:

whichever

[06:22:54]

wagnerrp:

its really irrelevant to how the script functions anyway

[06:23:41]

kormoc:

yeah

[06:24:11]

Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!~chris@h231.136.185.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has quit (Quit: I am called onward)

[06:36:40]

croppa (croppa!~stuart@202-90-54-173.static.linearg.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:38:49]

oobe (oobe!~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[06:42:40]

oobe (oobe!~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:49:25]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: if you use pre, you'll be in line with actual mythtv versions :)

[06:49:31]

Beirdo:

but up to you guys

[06:49:42]

wagnerrp:

_pre is fine, we can do either

[06:49:50]

wagnerrp:

it doesnt affect anything

[06:50:06]

Beirdo:

cool.

[06:50:19]

Beirdo:

I think that was the gist of the email the other night

[06:54:32]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!~ryebrye@67.199.189.49) has quit (Quit: RyeBrye)

[07:00:07]

ripperda (ripperda!~ripperda@cpe-70-113-61-12.austin.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:01:07]

ripperda:

hello. for some reason, I'm having a hell of time trying to get a video to playback on a single frontend. it plays back fine on other frontends or to my notebook via nfs and mplayer. other videos play fine on this frontend

[07:01:36]

ripperda:

but when I try to play my tron mp4 on this frontend, I get a blank screen and a stream of NVP(0) prebuffer errors

[07:03:11]

wagnerrp:

is this pulled from a dvd or bluray?

[07:03:50]

ripperda:

this is pulled from a dvd. I tried switching to playing the raw iso and I get a lot of RCE/region errors on this frontend, but again can play it fine via mplayer on my notebook

[07:04:10]

wagnerrp:

oh, the bluray has only been rumored, not released

[07:05:12]

wagnerrp:

yeah, no hardware anyone should even consider running mythtv on should have any problem with DVD content

[07:07:03]

JEDIDIAH__ (JEDIDIAH__!~jedi@cpe-76-185-72-21.tx.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:08:17]

KraMer (KraMer!~mark@adsl-70-240-182-200.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) has left #mythtv-users ("Leaving")

[07:11:43]

johd (johd!~johd@90.146.55.47) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:20:40]

ripperda:

is there a command I can use on a video file to tell me what video/audio codecs are in the file?

[07:20:50]

wagnerrp:

ffmpeg -i

[07:21:07]

hpeter (hpeter!~hpeter@178-83-237-229.dclient.hispeed.ch) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:21:08]

ripperda:

thanks, I'll give that a try

[07:21:41]

rushfan (rushfan!~rushfan@c-71-232-0-154.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)

[07:25:00]

martin_ (martin_!~quassel@static-88.131.29.2.addr.tdcsong.se) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:25:27]

ripperda:

hmm, not too different. the main thing I see is "59.94 tbr":

[07:25:32]

ripperda:

Stream #0.0(und): Video: h264, yuv420p, 640x288, 59.94 tbr, 90k tbn, 180k tbc

[07:25:47]

ripperda:

most of my other videos have:

[07:25:52]

ripperda:

Stream #0.0(und): Video: h264, yuv420p, 720x400, 90k tbr, 90k tbn, 180k tbc

[07:26:12]

ripperda:

do you know what "tbr" is?

[07:26:26]

wagnerrp:

im more wondering why you downscaled

[07:26:50]

ripperda:

I don't think I meant to. are you referring to the resolution?

[07:26:56]

wagnerrp:

yeah

[07:27:33]

ripperda:

I noticed that, I may have done something wrong when converting it. I noticed that the newer videos are all 720x400, but Tron and War Games are different

[07:27:37]

ripperda:

here's War Games:

[07:27:42]

ripperda:

Stream #0.0(und): Video: h264, yuv420p, 656x352, 90k tbr, 90k tbn, 180k tbc

[07:27:48]

ripperda:

war games plays back just fine

[07:27:55]

wagnerrp:

its 2.20:1, so if anything, it should be 720x320, or maybe 704x320

[07:28:17]

ripperda:

hmm, I'll dig through my notes and see if I can find the command line I would have used

[07:29:39]

ripperda:

here's the command I used:

[07:29:44]

ripperda:

/usr/bin/HandBrakeCLI -i "$isoname" -o "$mp4name" -t $track -f mp4 -e x264 -b 2500 -E ac3 -B auto -m

[07:31:57]

hpeter (hpeter!~hpeter@178-83-237-229.dclient.hispeed.ch) has quit (Quit: hpeter)

[07:32:11]

ripperda:

I don't think that should be downscaling it, and should be the same command I used for other videos.

[07:32:14]

natanojl (natanojl!~jonatan@c83-252-237-63.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:32:41]

ripperda:

maybe I'll try re-encoding it and seeing if maybe I did something wrong on it the first time.

[07:34:16]

wagnerrp:

why encode it?

[07:34:49]

wagnerrp:

if you want to trash the menus and extras, just 'cat' together the VOBs

[07:35:15]

ripperda:

I was trying to encode to mp4 to save disk space

[07:35:19]

wagnerrp:

only real reason to transcode is for compatibility with players

[07:35:30]

wagnerrp:

otherwise, its easier to just buy more disk space

[07:35:36]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)

[07:35:55]

wagnerrp:

when you consider in the cost of the CPU time to compress it, and the cost of your personal time to set it up

[07:36:21]

ripperda:

that is true, I've only done a portion of my disks, due to the time invested

[07:36:54]

wagnerrp:

i mean youre only looking at 4–6GB per movie uncompressed

[07:37:04]

wagnerrp:

you can fit a pretty massive collection on a single hard drive

[07:37:09]

ripperda:

at the time, the other reason was that I was looking to use storage groups & streaming mp4 w/ mythbackend

[07:37:40]

wagnerrp:

VOBs have streamed over storage groups just fine since 0.22

[07:37:42]

ripperda:

with isos, I have to pull the iso via nfs, but that may not be a big deal (it hasn't been a huge problem so far, other than having to configure frontends)

[07:38:14]

ripperda:

I thought ISOs didn't work with storage groups & mythvideo

[07:38:24]

wagnerrp:

or you could use something like makemkv which just grabs the main title out of the ISO, and multiplexes it to an mkv file, no recompression

[07:38:26]

Beirdo:

you thought old info

[07:38:28]

wagnerrp:

VOBs != ISOs

[07:38:37]

wagnerrp:

and ISOs work fine in 0.24

[07:39:13]

ripperda:

ok, I've been considering upgrading my backends and frontends, but always hesitant to do big updates like that

[07:39:30]

ripperda:

something (or many somethings) randomly break, but I'll have to bite the bullet soon

[07:39:45]

wagnerrp:

a VOB is just a modified MPEG2 PS file

[07:39:52]

wagnerrp:

its just a normal video file

[07:40:04]

Beirdo:

sliced into 1GB sections, no?

[07:40:05]

ripperda:

ok, an ISO is a collection of VOBs, isn't it?

[07:40:18]

wagnerrp:

an ISO is a full dvd structure

[07:40:26]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: only because of the 4GB DVD limitation

[07:40:32]

wagnerrp:

you can make VOBs as large as you like

[07:40:36]

Beirdo:

aye

[07:40:53]

Beirdo:

but "real" VOBs from a DVD will be sliced

[07:41:05]

wagnerrp:

sure, but you can just 'cat' them together

[07:41:06]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:41:25]

Beirdo:

yup

[07:44:07]

ripperda:

so I still run into similar problems when trying to play back the iso on this frontend

[07:44:27]

ripperda:

I see a few of these printed out:

[07:44:29]

ripperda:

libdvdnav: Suspected RCE Region Protection!!!

[07:44:50]

ripperda:

then I run into the same NVP(1): Prebuffer wait timed out NNN times.

[07:45:21]

ripperda:

libdvdread seems to start up the dvd, but then things halt at a black screen with 100% cpu usage

[07:46:33]

ripperda:

I'm sure I have CSS installed fine, other DVDs that gave me problems when I first installed (notably Alien), work just fine

[07:47:14]

wagnerrp:

encrypted ISOs dont yet work over storage groups

[07:47:45]

ripperda:

ok, I'll double check, but I believe I'm just accessing this directly via nfs

[07:53:00]

ripperda:

I'm definitely not using storage groups

[07:53:37]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)

[07:53:51]

jya:

ripperda: what version of myth are you running ?

[07:54:29]

ripperda:

0.23, from mythbuntu 10.04

[07:54:34]

jya:

because that error NVP(1): blah, hasn't been in the code for a while

[07:54:44]

jya:

please upgrade to 0.24...

[07:55:08]

ripperda:

ok, do you know what kind of things can lead to that printout in the older rev?

[07:55:28]

Beirdo:

lack of upgrading? :)

[07:55:29]

jya:

yes... it's not being fed data fast enough

[07:55:47]

ripperda:

I mentioned a little bit up that I'm planning to update mythbuntu versions, I'm just always hesitant to upgrade my system, due to random regressions

[07:55:48]

jya:

there is a long wiki entry on how to diagnose those

[07:56:04]

ripperda:

and due to how mythtv works, I have to upgrade all systems simultaneously

[07:56:22]

ripperda:

it takes a bit of dedicated time to do that, unfortunately, but over Christmas might be a good time to do so

[07:56:30]

ripperda:

Beirdo, of course :)

[07:56:41]

ripperda:

jya, do you have a link to the wiki?

[07:57:06]

jya:

www.mythtv.org -> wiki -> search prebuffer

[07:57:27]

ripperda:

ok, I think I found it

[07:57:42]

natanojl (natanojl!~jonatan@c83-252-237-63.bredband.comhem.se) has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)

[07:58:01]

jya:

I added a new entry in there, regarding the alsa buffer size. with many recent distribution, the hardware buffer is set to 1024 which is good.

[07:58:19]

jya:

but some other backward one, still use 64kB as default, it's not enough under most circumstances

[07:58:35]

ubIx (ubIx!~ulf@p5DD182FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:58:57]

hpeter (hpeter!~hpeter@250-203.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:00:06]

** jya finds looking a the buildbot/waterfall strangely appealing **

[08:00:34]

jya:

I know want to commit stuff, just to check waterfall doing his thing...

[08:00:38]

jya:

kind of a worry

[08:01:26]

wagnerrp:

is that any worse than wanting to spawn off a bunch of new branches to look at pretty network graphs?

[08:02:00]

ubIx_ (ubIx_!~ulf@p5DD18024.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)

[08:03:07]

ripperda:

jya, I checked the audio buffer and mine looks like it's 4096, with a max of 32768

[08:03:17]

jya:

excellent

[08:03:54]

[R]:

lol... i'm getting an "auth error" and coudl'nt figure out why... i forgot to actually set the username/password

[08:04:12]

jya:

wagnerrp: I find the network view a tad unusable. the default one I've seen with git repo is much better... don't need to scroll as much

[08:04:39]

wagnerrp:

yeah, the horizontal scrolling is very annoying

[08:05:44]

jya:

worse is trying to find what a line actually is

[08:06:06]

jya:

sometimes you have to scroll heaps to find out what it is and where it started from

[08:06:22]

zoran119 (zoran119!~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:06:28]

zoran119:

hi people!

[08:07:03]

ripperda:

ah ha, breakthrough!

[08:07:06]

zoran119:

my frontend finsihes abruptly with 'illegal instruction' error on the console

[08:07:48]

zoran119:

the second last log line is 'osd dimensions w:640 h:480

[08:07:53]

zoran119:

what could this be about?

[08:07:57]

ripperda:

I had my alsa audio configured to upconvert stereo to 5.1 surround. disabled that and playing back the tron mp4 works great now

[08:08:29]

jya:

ripperda: ok.. that's a problem that most likely got fixed in a recent 0.24

[08:08:40]

jya:

oh, you were using alsa upmix

[08:08:43]

jya:

or myth one ?

[08:08:44]

ripperda:

jya, ok thanks.

[08:09:02]

ripperda:

this was configured within myth. upmix is set to fastest

[08:09:19]

jya:

ripperda: better use nothing that upmix – fastest

[08:09:26]

jya:

I removed that option too

[08:09:32]

ripperda:

no problem, I'm fine with that

[08:09:36]

jya:

what processor/video card do you have?

[08:09:46]

ripperda:

I'm on a revo 1600 w/ an Ion gpu

[08:09:54]

** jya can't wait for tron to come out.. **

[08:10:03]

ripperda:

not super powerful, but generally good enough for a front-end

[08:10:04]

jya:

are you using vdpau of software video playback?

[08:10:08]

ripperda:

vdpau

[08:10:10]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:10:21]

jya:

are you sure?

[08:10:38]

jya:

there aren't some kind of errors preventing vdpau to work? you can check in the log

[08:10:45]

ripperda:

yes, I have the frontend configured with "vdpau slim"

[08:10:56]

ripperda:

I'll check the logs, but I'm pretty sure I've seen messages in the log

[08:11:06]

jya:

because the pre-buffering error indicates that the machine is too slow

[08:11:18]

ripperda:

2010-12–15 02:06:31.257 VDPAU: Added 2 output surfaces (total 4, max 4)

[08:11:20]

jya:

with a ion / atom: you should be able to use VDPAU Normal without problem

[08:11:42]

jya:

no need to use vdpau slim.. vdpau slim is just for nvidia 8200 and the like

[08:11:57]

ripperda:

I used to use normal, but I seem to recall a case I was running into problems with and dropping back to slim helped. unfortunately, don't recall offhand

[08:11:57]

jya:

the ion is perfectly capable of doing the nicer deinterlacer

[08:12:25]

ripperda:

ok, let me switch over and tune my settings real quick. then I'll keep my eye out for any problems

[08:12:41]

[R]:

in 0.23, i had problems with normal

[08:12:45]

[R]:

in 0.24 normal seems to work fine for me

[08:12:53]

[R]:

(on an ion)

[08:15:32]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)

[08:16:44]

ripperda:

yeah, at least with my current config, normal is a little too stressful. playing back recordings and the audio/video is out of sync and on one show the video is storyboarding/stuttering

[08:17:13]

ripperda:

I'm going to switch back to slim for now. in the future, when I update my software versions, I'll experiment again with that

[08:18:33]

lyricnz (lyricnz!~simonrobe@ppp118-209-127-130.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:21:46]

[R]:

ripperda: do you have 512 dedicated to the gpu?

[08:21:48]

[R]:

512mb*

[08:22:19]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:22:43]

Brad-D3 (Brad-D3!~brad@CPE0026f321fa10-CM0026f321fa0d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

[08:23:10]

bobgill_ (bobgill_!~smileyfac@CPE0016b6062e69-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)

[08:23:19]

Brad-D (Brad-D!~brad@CPE0026f321fa10-CM0026f321fa0d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:23:46]

ripperda:

[R], I'd have to double check, but I don't believe so. I have an extra dimm that I bought to put in the system, but ran into problems booting when I first tried to install it

[08:24:08]

ripperda:

I had a lot of problems when bringing my whole system up, so had to set a few aside to focus on resolving what I could

[08:24:19]

ripperda:

I should get back to trying to install that additional memory

[08:24:25]

[R]:

having 512 for vdpau really helps in 0.23

[08:24:36]

bobgill (bobgill!~smileyfac@CPE0016b6062e69-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:24:46]

ripperda:

ok, I'll definitely try that

[08:26:23]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

[08:26:36]

kormoc is now known as kormoc_afk

[08:26:55]

zoran119:

anyone using hdmi port on an ati card?

[08:27:59]

xharx (xharx!~xharx@port-92-201-175-154.dynamic.qsc.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:28:44]

KaZeR (KaZeR!~kazer@30.43.195-77.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Quit: Allez Salut... ET BANZAII!)

[08:29:25]

KaZeR (KaZeR!~kazer@30.43.195-77.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:30:30]

ripperda (ripperda!~ripperda@cpe-70-113-61-12.austin.res.rr.com) has quit (Quit: Leaving)

[08:30:58]

k_ross_ (k_ross_!ad40b024@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.64.176.36) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)

[08:32:12]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:32:44]

Floppy (Floppy!~stranded@unaffiliated/myute) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:35:20]

ThisNewGuy (ThisNewGuy!~doug@pool-96-242-160-27.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

[08:35:29]

xharx:

when i try to watch tv i get "myth tv is using all inputs". what is wrong? how can i fix it

[08:37:45]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)

[08:39:13]

Floppy (Floppy!~stranded@unaffiliated/myute) has quit (Quit: http://goo.gl/f9al ~ i earn daily on autopilot and i have no shame heh)

[08:41:14]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:47:20]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: any suggestion on how to make a clean version without a git repo?

[08:49:38]

[Steven_M] ([Steven_M]!~id@119.224.6.100) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:49:42]

Beirdo:

huh??

[08:49:59]

Beirdo:

you mean like svn export?

[08:50:35]

Beirdo:

git archive should do the trick. Gives you a tarball, untar it

[08:50:37]

wagnerrp:

yeah, trying to come up with a way of generating that 'describe' output, without having an actual git clone

[08:50:44]

Beirdo:

oh

[08:50:46]

Beirdo:

you can't

[08:51:08]

Beirdo:

there's nothing to describe without a repo

[08:51:48]

[Steven_M]:

Is 7200 RPM a good hard drive speed for mythtv or is that a bit slow

[08:51:59]

[Steven_M]:

?

[08:52:10]

wagnerrp:

what would you get that was faster?

[08:52:11]

Beirdo:

so just like the old version.sh, you will need to make a VERSION file

[08:52:58]

MavT (MavT!~MaverickT@111.86.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:53:40]

Beirdo:

if you're going to avoid having a local clone that is

[08:54:04]

Beirdo:

[Steven_M]: why wouldn't they be fast enough?

[08:54:17]

wagnerrp:

yeah, but theres no way to get that specific output without manually defining it

[08:54:24]

wagnerrp:

i mean theres no way to pull it from github?

[08:54:52]

Beirdo:

what are you pulling from github as it is?

[08:54:53]

[Steven_M]:

Beirdo: just wondered

[08:54:58]

wagnerrp:

a tarball

[08:55:10]

Beirdo:

with a filename that includes git describe

[08:55:34]

wagnerrp:

sortof...

[08:55:35]

Beirdo:

there's where you can get your version string for the VERSION file from ;)

[08:55:47]

XChatMav (XChatMav!~MaverickT@111.86.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

[08:55:51]

Beirdo:

how sort of? what's the precise filename structure?

[08:55:59]

wagnerrp:

i download from some link, it redirects me to another file with that describe info

[08:56:06]

Beirdo:

oh

[08:56:14]

wagnerrp:

would have to figure out some way to pull that redirected link out

[08:56:23]

wagnerrp:

... but at least its somewhere to start

[08:56:24]

wagnerrp:

thansk

[08:56:26]

Beirdo:

:)

[08:56:57]

Beirdo:

they've nicely captured what you need, so if you manually follow the redirect, you should get it ;)

[08:57:13]

[Steven_M]:

Beirdo: I thought the video might tear or be jerky if the drive wasn't fast enough.

[08:57:36]

wagnerrp:

[Steven_M]: just what bitrate do you think recordings will be?

[08:57:43]

Beirdo:

[Steven_M]: how fast is the drive? hdparm -tT should give you the buffer and the drive speed

[08:58:07]

Beirdo:

most 7200RPM drives are around 60MB/s or so IIRC

[08:58:14]

Beirdo:

that's 480Mbit/s

[08:58:26]

wagnerrp:

most 7200RPM drives bottom out around 60MB/s or so

[08:58:37]

Beirdo:

even if you take say half of that off for inefficient seeking...

[08:58:37]

wagnerrp:

they peak better than 120MB/s

[08:58:45]

Beirdo:

you are still looking at 240Mbit/s

[08:58:52]

Beirdo:

which is a LOT of video

[08:58:54]

wagnerrp:

(speaking of 1TB or better drives)

[08:59:25]

Beirdo:

yeah, and that's a conservative number

[08:59:48]

Beirdo:

so... 7200RPM drives (unless they are ancient and dying) should do fine :)

[09:00:10]

Beirdo:

especially if you keep the mysql database on a different spindle from your video to reduce seek thrashing

[09:02:01]

[Steven_M]:

Beirdo: wagnerrp: this is the drive I'm thinking of buying: http://www.wdc.com/global/products/specs/?dri . . . p;language=1

[09:02:45]

wagnerrp:

thats not a 7200RPM drive

[09:03:22]

Beirdo:

more like 5900

[09:03:31]

Beirdo:

but they don't give that number out

[09:04:04]

johd (johd!~johd@90.146.55.47) has quit (Quit: Leaving)

[09:04:08]

Beirdo:

nor do they state there the drive throughput numbers

[09:05:12]

Beirdo:

I'm sure it will do fine unless you have a LOT more video at a time than the average person, but I've never used the greens, so I don't know how they stack up performance wise

[09:05:34]

Beirdo:

the 4 1TB Blacks currently running in my backend box are nice though :)

[09:06:39]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)

[09:08:12]

tris (tris!~tristan@CAMEL.ETHEREAL.NET) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)

[09:09:07]

wagnerrp:

success!

[09:09:30]

Beirdo:

sweet. :) Zzzz time for me, but glad you got progress :)

[09:11:12]

[R]:

oh damn

[09:11:18]

[R]:

i have the working of an AMAZING grabber

[09:11:22]

[R]:

workings*

[09:11:40]

MaverickTech (MaverickTech!~MaverickT@111.86.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:12:03]

MavT (MavT!~MaverickT@111.86.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)

[09:12:14]

[Steven_M]:

Beirdo: wagnerrp: the guy at the shop told me it was 7200, but I believe you guys over him

[09:12:51]

wagnerrp:

[Steven_M]: the hard drive at the shop may very well have been 7200 rpm

[09:13:07]

wagnerrp:

but the specs you just pasted were for the intellipower/green drives

[09:13:17]

[R]:

one of my drives is a wd green

[09:13:19]

[R]:

i have no problems with it

[09:13:21]

wagnerrp:

the greens run at some undisclosed rate in the 5000 range

[09:13:31]

wagnerrp:

either way, its plenty fast for myth's purposes

[09:14:18]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:15:10]

waxhead (waxhead!~pete@ppp121-45-211-71.lns20.cbr1.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:20:34]

[Steven_M]:

wagnerrp: he said it was a green, are all greens intellipower or are some of them 7200 rpm?

[09:21:10]

wagnerrp:

all greens are the reduced RPM drives

[09:21:16]

wagnerrp:

if its a green, it is not 7200

[09:22:53]

[Steven_M]:

ok, thanks heaps

[09:23:55]

dmb (dmb!~dmb@unaffiliated/dmb) has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)

[09:24:25]

dmb (dmb!~dmb@unaffiliated/dmb) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:25:00]

xharx (xharx!~xharx@port-92-201-175-154.dynamic.qsc.de) has quit (Quit: Verlassend)

[09:28:24]

[R] ([R]!~rbox@unaffiliated/rbox) has quit (Quit: Leaving)

[09:30:47]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

[09:34:50]

bobgill (bobgill!~smileyfac@CPE0016b6062e69-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)

[09:36:55]

johd (johd!~johd@dyn167222.wlan.jku.at) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:37:22]

[Steven_M] ([Steven_M]!~id@119.224.6.100) has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)

[09:43:39]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:46:40]

bobgill (bobgill!~smileyfac@CPE0016b6062e69-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:50:43]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)

[09:51:44]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:56:45]

xharx (xharx!~xharx@port-92-201-175-154.dynamic.qsc.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:57:18]

tris (tris!~tristan@CAMEL.ETHEREAL.NET) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:12:35]

carter05 (carter05!~carter05@ns1.neomezeny-hosting.cz) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:12:50]

carter05 (carter05!~carter05@ns1.neomezeny-hosting.cz) has left #mythtv-users ()

[10:13:22]

carter05 (carter05!~carter05@ns1.neomezeny-hosting.cz) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:15:12]

Twigg (Twigg!~darren@66.87.2.25) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:18:03]

Twiggy2cents (Twiggy2cents!~darren@66.87.5.50) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

[10:27:09]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)

[10:30:53]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:40:10]

xharx (xharx!~xharx@port-92-201-175-154.dynamic.qsc.de) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[10:40:23]

carter05 (carter05!~carter05@ns1.neomezeny-hosting.cz) has left #mythtv-users ()

[10:40:29]

carter05 (carter05!~carter05@ns1.neomezeny-hosting.cz) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:42:06]

carter05 (carter05!~carter05@ns1.neomezeny-hosting.cz) has left #mythtv-users ()

[10:52:13]

carter05 (carter05!~carter05@ns1.neomezeny-hosting.cz) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:54:02]

hashbang (hashbang!~hashbang@cse-ajb.cse.bris.ac.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:25:00]

xharx (xharx!~xharx@port-92-201-175-154.dynamic.qsc.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:26:39]

xharx (xharx!~xharx@port-92-201-175-154.dynamic.qsc.de) has left #mythtv-users ()

[11:41:35]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)

[12:04:38]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:06:04]

croppa (croppa!~stuart@202-90-54-173.static.linearg.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[12:06:19]

chainsawbike (chainsawbike!~chainsawb@2001:470:35:bb::2) has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)

[12:08:59]

martin_ (martin_!~quassel@static-88.131.29.2.addr.tdcsong.se) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[12:09:43]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)

[12:10:24]

sebrock (sebrock!~sebrock@h55eb1ec9.selukra.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:16:18]

chainsawbike (chainsawbike!~chainsawb@chainsawbike-1-pt.tunnel.tserv25.sin1.ipv6.he.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:25:24]

PointyPumper (PointyPumper!~pintlezz@190.244.73.13) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)

[12:32:49]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:32:50]

awalls (awalls!~awalls@d-216-36-28-191.cpe.metrocast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:34:02]

zoran119:

does anyone have any experience with af9015?

[12:36:26]

Goga777 (Goga777!~Goga777@shpd-78-36-180-119.static.vologda.ru) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:38:11]

zoran119:

i have a leadtek 2000ds and would like to know if anyone has it working

[12:38:25]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)

[12:38:54]

zoran119:

mine works, but it makes system messages constantly (in dmesg) bringing the system to it's knees

[12:39:45]

Twiggy2cents (Twiggy2cents!~darren@66.87.6.69) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:41:23]

Twigg (Twigg!~darren@66.87.2.25) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)

[12:44:01]

PointyPumper (PointyPumper!~pintlezz@190.244.73.13) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:46:56]

paras (paras!~darren@dslb-092-075-156-113.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:49:44]

paras:

why does mythtv sometimes autoexpire ALL my recordings together ?

[12:57:23]

ThisNewGuy (ThisNewGuy!~doug@pool-96-242-160-27.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:04:07]

JJ2 (JJ2!~jjensen@jeffjensen.dsl.visi.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:05:31]

JJ1 (JJ1!~jjensen@jeffjensen.dsl.visi.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

[13:06:36]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!~bogart@99-69-73-8.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:12:07]

Goga777 (Goga777!~Goga777@shpd-78-36-180-119.static.vologda.ru) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[13:17:37]

zoran119 (zoran119!~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) has quit (Quit: leaving)

[13:51:40]

Digdilem (Digdilem!~flash@plague.digdilem.org) has quit (Quit: I existed. Now I don't.)

[13:51:49]

Digdilem (Digdilem!~flash@plague.digdilem.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:53:51]

PointyPumper (PointyPumper!~pintlezz@190.244.73.13) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)

[14:00:07]

PointyPumper (PointyPumper!~pintlezz@190.244.73.13) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:05:57]

paras (paras!~darren@dslb-092-075-156-113.pools.arcor-ip.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)

[14:07:39]

JEDIDIAH__ (JEDIDIAH__!~jedi@cpe-76-185-72-21.tx.res.rr.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)

[14:09:48]

PointyPumper (PointyPumper!~pintlezz@190.244.73.13) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)

[14:10:25]

Twiggy|worx (Twiggy|worx!~Twiggy@12.182.96.2) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:11:07]

leprechau (leprechau!leprechau@c-98-240-50-163.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:11:09]

Brad-D2 (Brad-D2!~brad@CPE0026f321fa10-CM0026f321fa0d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:11:25]

esperegu (esperegu!~quassel@145.116.15.244) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:11:29]

bobgill (bobgill!~smileyfac@CPE0016b6062e69-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)

[14:12:01]

bobgill (bobgill!~smileyfac@CPE0016b6062e69-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:12:35]

Brad-D (Brad-D!~brad@CPE0026f321fa10-CM0026f321fa0d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)

[14:23:04]

PointyPumper (PointyPumper!~pintlezz@190.244.73.13) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:44:50]

Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!~chris@h231.136.185.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:47:06]

Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!~chris@h231.136.185.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has quit (Client Quit)

[14:56:10]

JJ1 (JJ1!~jjensen@jeffjensen.dsl.visi.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:56:55]

JJ2 (JJ2!~jjensen@jeffjensen.dsl.visi.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)

[15:00:12]

deaman (deaman!~deaman@nat/trolltech/x-qwpvvwbfempvhzeg) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:11:41]

biffhero (biffhero!~Adium@c-67-188-68-223.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)

[15:13:45]

JJ1 (JJ1!~jjensen@jeffjensen.dsl.visi.com) has left #mythtv-users ()

[15:16:23]

Mudboy (Mudboy!~zod@cpe-75-83-190-215.socal.res.rr.com) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[15:16:23]

benc- (benc-!~benc@markcaswell.dsl.visi.com) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

[15:23:26]

benc_ (benc_!~benc@markcaswell.dsl.visi.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:26:08]

vezza (vezza!~andrea__@host184-40-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:30:46]

streeter (streeter!~streeter@user-24-214-254-79.knology.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:35:51]

Goga777 (Goga777!~Goga777@shpd-78-36-180-119.static.vologda.ru) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:46:22]

Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!~chris@h231.136.185.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:59:44]

momelod (momelod!~smelo@dsl-173-248-230-1.acanac.net) has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)

[16:02:58]

jarle (jarle!~jarle@70.84-234-133.customer.lyse.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[16:05:18]

biffhero (biffhero!~Adium@soi.silverspringnet.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:05:54]

deaman (deaman!~deaman@nat/trolltech/x-qwpvvwbfempvhzeg) has quit (Quit: deaman)

[16:12:27]

kth (kth!~kth@dyndsl-080-228-182-205.ewe-ip-backbone.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:16:58]

Goga777 (Goga777!~Goga777@shpd-78-36-180-119.static.vologda.ru) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[16:22:47]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!~ryebrye@67.199.189.49) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:28:23]

dmz (dmz!~dmz@64.203.207.101.dyn-cm-pool-54.hargray.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[16:30:25]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!~ryebrye@67.199.189.49) has quit (Quit: RyeBrye)

[16:31:01]

rushfan (rushfan!~rushfan@c-71-232-0-154.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:34:41]

splashd (splashd!~splashd@c-69-139-122-173.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:35:49]

dmz (dmz!~dmz@64.203.207.101.dyn-cm-pool-54.hargray.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:39:44]

stuartm (stuartm!~gbee@cpc4-derb9-0-0-cust534.8-3.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:39:44]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stuartm

[16:42:20]

stuartm:

jannau: that wdidle/freedos kernel image, it reboots the moment I hit return on "WDIDLE \S 255", is that right? I was expecting some feedback, the load cycle figures seem to suggest that it didn't work

[16:43:19]

jannau:

stuartm: sata mode changed to ide?

[16:43:36]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!~ryebrye@67.199.189.49) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:44:11]

jannau:

might be bad luck, I have a mainboard which just reset on wdidle invocation

[16:47:16]

streeter (streeter!~streeter@user-24-214-254-79.knology.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[16:50:00]

stuartm:

jannau: set to 'SATA' vs 'AHCI' which I assume to be the boards compatibility mode, there is no mode explicitly labelled as IDE

[16:52:51]

stuartm:

ah well, I'm tempted to just buy a new drive in the new year

[16:56:17]

stuartm:

the Samsung F4 2TB is 'only' £70, but I'm wary since it's reported to have a firmware issue that requires a firmware update so it's no better than my current situation

[16:59:27]

duffydack (duffydack!~duffydack@adsl-94-72-209-80.karoo.kcom.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:59:34]

jannau:

samsung might have better software

[16:59:40]

hashbang (hashbang!~hashbang@cse-ajb.cse.bris.ac.uk) has quit (Quit: Leaving)

[17:00:29]

stuartm:

true

[17:00:34]

jarle (jarle!~jarle@70.84-234-133.customer.lyse.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:00:58]

RyeBrye:

So the wd green drives park heads every 8 seconds – that's the issue with them, right?

[17:01:44]

jannau:

RyeBrye: yes

[17:02:53]

RyeBrye:

That's annoying

[17:04:09]

Goga777 (Goga777!~Goga777@shpd-78-36-180-119.static.vologda.ru) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:05:45]

RyeBrye:

crap. My boss was bugging me on chat right when the challenge was posted :(

[17:05:55]

Goga777 (Goga777!~Goga777@shpd-78-36-180-119.static.vologda.ru) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[17:10:35]

messerting (messerting!~messertin@39.79-161-65.customer.lyse.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:10:49]

skd5aner:

stuartm: I have the samsung F4

[17:11:15]

skd5aner:

stuartm: I did update the firmware, it was relatively easy to do

[17:11:22]

skd5aner:

stuartm: wish i didn't have to, but...

[17:11:47]

skd5aner:

samsungs big mistake is the new firmware version is reported the same as the old one :P

[17:17:25]

wagnerrp:

goldeneye source released, blackmesa still nowhere in sight

[17:19:29]

fruza (fruza!~fruza@18.Red-79-157-53.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:25:11]

Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!~chris@h231.136.185.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has quit (Quit: I am called onward)

[17:25:57]

duffydack (duffydack!~duffydack@adsl-94-72-209-80.karoo.kcom.com) has quit (Quit: Leaving)

[17:34:51]

stuartm:

skd5aner: good to know

[17:35:42]

rushfan (rushfan!~rushfan@c-71-232-0-154.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)

[17:36:04]

skd5aner:

I'm struggling to find a sub $900 laptop for the wife that I'm happy with :/

[17:36:18]

hpeter (hpeter!~hpeter@250-203.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch) has quit (Quit: hpeter)

[17:38:02]

kth (kth!~kth@dyndsl-080-228-182-205.ewe-ip-backbone.de) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

[17:38:42]

iamlindoro:

$900 is a lot of laptop

[17:38:47]

iamlindoro:

seems like it'd be an easy job

[17:38:54]

skd5aner:

heh – true

[17:39:10]

iamlindoro:

Heck, if you'd consider refurbs you could probably get something pretty slick

[17:39:10]

duffydack (duffydack!~duffydack@adsl-94-72-209-80.karoo.kcom.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:39:15]

skd5aner:

let me put it this way – too many choices – overload :)

[17:39:22]

iamlindoro:

ah, fair enough

[17:40:56]

skd5aner:

Would like to spend something in the $600 range, idealy, but I'm a bit flexible – the other issue is I'm trying to get it by Christmas, and some shops have a 10+ day window before shipping

[17:41:55]

stuartm:

crap, I think my external backup drive just died, it was making some odd squeaking noises then silence

[17:42:27]

hadees (hadees!~hadees@72-48-211-19.dyn.grandenetworks.net) has quit (Quit: hadees)

[17:43:07]

RockHound (RockHound!~quassel@d067095.adsl.hansenet.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:45:13]

stuartm:

the timing would make sense, christmas, funds are accordingly low etc and my system drive could fail at any minute, so of course the backup drive will also fail taking all my data with it :)

[17:45:19]

johd (johd!~johd@dyn167222.wlan.jku.at) has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)

[17:46:23]

sphery:

:( losing data and a backup of that data would be very bad

[17:46:31]

sphery:

hope you can get the important stuff

[17:47:48]

messerting (messerting!~messertin@39.79-161-65.customer.lyse.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[17:48:59]

stuartm:

disconnected and reconnected the drive, for now it's behaving itself and my system drive hasn't actually failed yet, but I don't trust it

[17:49:28]

stuartm:

think I'll start burning some CD-R tonight, as insurance

[17:49:30]

wagnerrp:

use your recording drives for secondary backup?

[17:50:22]

stuartm:

wagnerrp: considering that, they are low on space so I'd need to delete some recordings but I can afford to do that

[17:51:04]

wagnerrp:

not like they wouldnt be autoexpired in short order anyway

[17:51:28]

stuartm:

I don't need a weeks worth of foreign films that I've never found the time to watch

[17:51:36]

skd5aner:

heh, as soon as you don't want a laptop with a 1366x768, expect to pay >$1000

[17:52:58]

wagnerrp:

didnt i say something along those lines a week ago?

[17:56:00]

sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, the whole netbook thing killed off useful displays in laptops

[17:56:15]

wagnerrp:

laptops never had useful displays

[17:56:29]

duffydack (duffydack!~duffydack@adsl-94-72-209-80.karoo.kcom.com) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[17:56:33]

sphery:

My previous laptop had a nice 15.4" 1920x1080 display... Best I could do for its replacement was 1680x1050--and it cost a lot more

[17:56:52]

wagnerrp:

that WUXGA was a rarity

[17:57:02]

wagnerrp:

a couple IBMs, a couple Dells, and that was it

[17:57:33]

sphery:

yeah--even then I paid for it, but only about as much a premium for the 1920x1080 as I paid for for the current 1680x1050

[17:57:38]

sphery:

I had an HP with it

[17:57:51]

sphery:

funny thing was that to get it, I had to get the worse of 2 GPUs :)

[17:58:05]

wagnerrp:

other makers had it, but you had to go up to 17" or larger

[17:58:11]

wagnerrp:

thats really just too much laptop

[17:58:11]

skd5aner:

Yea, this is just frustrating :P

[17:58:18]

sphery:

fortunately, I just needed frame-buffer-style graphics support with Xv

[17:58:43]

sphery:

yeah, I think you might be able to find it on some 17"+ laptops, now, but those aren't portable

[17:58:54]

wagnerrp:

honestly, 15.4 is a bit big for my tastes these days

[17:58:56]

sphery:

and sprinting from concourse to concourse with one of those will kill me

[17:59:03]

wagnerrp:

a nice 14.1" WUXGA would do

[17:59:17]

justdave (justdave!~dave@unaffiliated/justdave) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

[17:59:19]

sphery:

15.4" is juuuuuuust right

[17:59:26]

sphery:

Goldilocks would be pleased with it

[17:59:36]

wagnerrp:

nah, too wide

[18:00:00]

sphery:

some of them now are 15", but because they're doing 16:9 aspect (which is another thing I hate)

[18:00:46]

skd5aner:

Yea, I'm looking around the 14" – light and mobile, without going into the netbook range

[18:00:47]

wagnerrp:

15" 4:3 gets you a full size keyboard

[18:00:47]

sphery:

when they switch laptops to 2.35:1, I'll have to commission my own laptop design

[18:01:04]

wagnerrp:

but 15.4" 16:10 isnt enough extra to get you a proper numpad

[18:01:06]

wagnerrp:

so whats the point

[18:01:11]

skd5aner:

I expect I'll probably get an android tablet sometime next year, so I'd like a "full size" laptop without it being a monster

[18:01:25]

sphery:

I've never actually found a numpad useful

[18:01:45]

skd5aner:

I think I've pretty much eliminated dell as a choice

[18:01:49]

sphery:

I like the 15.4" 16:10 for its ability to display 2 portrait letter/A4 documents side by side

[18:01:53]

wagnerrp:

and any laptop that gives you the vertical pgup/dn cluster should be trashed

[18:01:54]

sphery:

and to display 9 terminals

[18:02:00]

sphery:

without overlap

[18:02:02]

wagnerrp:

i absolutely hate using that

[18:02:24]

sphery:

yeah, I've never used the Function-Numlock stuff, either

[18:02:28]

wagnerrp:

any keyboard with a revised cluster should be trashed as well

[18:02:34]

sphery:

but I don't like numpads, anyway

[18:02:45]

wagnerrp:

you do the number row?

[18:02:49]

sphery:

yeah

[18:02:58]

wagnerrp:

yeah, my fingers dont know where those buttons are

[18:02:59]

sphery:

my fingers don't leave home, often

[18:03:03]

skd5aner:

I was considering he dell adamo for a bit, but read some bad reviews about it plus it's a bit underpowered – I'm sure that's due to the limitations of the design – http://www.dell.com/us/p/adamo-laptops

[18:03:04]

sphery:

they're very reclusive

[18:03:10]

sphery:

kind of like the rest of me...

[18:03:11]

wagnerrp:

i fumble around, and have to retype often

[18:03:25]

wagnerrp:

plus i never used the home row

[18:03:49]

justdave (justdave!~dave@unaffiliated/justdave) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:03:54]

wagnerrp:

the home row is home to wrist problems

[18:04:40]

sphery:

speaking of low-powered... I find it hilarious that no one asked if the new Revo ultra-slim AMD Neo+ION would be "the perfect frontend"

[18:04:58]

wagnerrp:

amd+ion? eh?

[18:05:06]

sphery:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/07/acer-revo- . . . pad-and-all/

[18:05:09]

wagnerrp:

damn revisionists

[18:05:13]

sphery:

heh, yeah

[18:05:16]

weta (weta!~aross@CPE485b390978ce-CM00222ddf42dd.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)

[18:05:29]

sphery:

but, hey, their brand, I'll go with their revised terminology

[18:05:46]

sphery:

wonder how it would stack up to an Atom

[18:06:24]

sphery:

I'll bet the price tag was much of the reason they're not considering it

[18:06:43]

sphery:

after all, at that price, you could basically get a Mac Mini

[18:07:14]

wagnerrp:

15W and probably 75% better than the Atom clock-for-clock

[18:07:15]

sphery:

and our "hardware just wants to be free" users wouldn't consider paying that much for "just a frontend"

[18:07:20]

sphery:

nice

[18:07:23]

wagnerrp:

runs at 1.6GHz

[18:07:33]

wagnerrp:

dual core is 18W

[18:07:42]

sphery:

seems it's a 1.3GHz

[18:07:46]

sphery:

or 1.6GHz

[18:07:56]

wagnerrp:

oh, wait...

[18:07:59]

wagnerrp:

athlon II neo

[18:08:06]

sphery:

yeah

[18:08:30]

sphery:

wait, I think it's just 1.3GHz

[18:08:33]

wagnerrp:

well its slower, but double the cache

[18:08:40]

wagnerrp:

1.3GHz, dual core

[18:08:49]

wagnerrp:

so still better than a dual core atom

[18:08:56]

sphery:

http://products.amd.com/en-us/NotebookCPUDetail.aspx?id=673

[18:08:59]

sphery:

12W

[18:09:01]

wagnerrp:

maybe a 50% boost on most workloads

[18:09:05]

wagnerrp:

15W for the dual core

[18:09:23]

cattelan_away (cattelan_away!~cattelan@c-24-118-127-188.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:09:31]

sphery:

no, 12W according to AMD's page

[18:09:33]

sphery:

it's the K235

[18:09:38]

sphery:

er, K325

[18:09:49]

** sphery needs a numpad **

[18:10:09]

wagnerrp:

yes you do

[18:10:13]

sphery:

heh

[18:10:28]

wagnerrp:

i need a detached numpad

[18:10:33]

kormoc_afk is now known as kormoc

[18:10:40]

sphery:

pretty graph... http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cp . . . 25+Dual-Core

[18:10:48]

wagnerrp:

the mouse changed everything

[18:11:11]

wagnerrp:

mouse is right handed, arrow keys are right handed pgup/dn cluster is right handed, numpad is right handed

[18:11:17]

wagnerrp:

the left hand gets so bored and useless

[18:11:43]

sphery:

atom 330@1.6GHz = 633, atom N550@1.5GHz = 567, Athlon II Neo K325@1.3GHz = 767

[18:12:14]

sphery:

heh, I don't like the mouse, either--mostly useful for pointing at the terminal in which I want to type

[18:12:16]

weta (weta!~aross@CPE485b390978ce-CM00222ddf42dd.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:12:34]

sphery:

and web browsing--which is a "no typing required" activity most of the time

[18:13:21]

sphery:

yeah, so that one is still way underpowered for a frontend

[18:14:29]

skd5aner:

http://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Ideapad-0885-25U . . . p/B003N19EDW – considering this one

[18:15:56]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: i think ive got everything working

[18:16:02]

wagnerrp:

the script is a bit messy, but it works for now

[18:16:07]

kormoc:

snaz

[18:16:54]

sphery:

wow, an Acer "1080p" projector with a resolution of 800x600...

[18:17:04]

sphery:

must be using pixel compression

[18:17:04]

wagnerrp:

wait... what?

[18:17:10]

sphery:

http://www.buy.com/prod/acer-x1130p-dlp-proje . . . 3740357.html

[18:17:15]

sphery:

1080p input is supported

[18:17:18]

wagnerrp:

spatial dithering

[18:17:30]

wagnerrp:

big words means its better

[18:17:36]

sphery:

marketing trying to confuse consumers into thinking it's more than it is

[18:17:50]

sphery:

F/2.56–2.8 – HDTV – 1080p – 800 x 600 – SVGA – 3000:1 – 2500 lm – 4:3 – VGA – 2 Year Warranty

[18:18:06]

wagnerrp:

and 4:3

[18:18:09]

sphery:

yeah

[18:18:13]

wagnerrp:

i guess that would be 1440x1080p

[18:18:23]

staylo:

spatial dithering: standing in a room with something in your hands wondering where to put it down

[18:18:42]

sphery:

so of that 800x600, you're using... 800x450 + 350 black pixels top and bottom

[18:18:50]

sphery:

(split between top and bottom, that is)

[18:19:00]

wagnerrp:

that would be... 150

[18:19:10]

sphery:

heh, yeah

[18:19:17]

sphery:

I used 800 for both :)

[18:19:17]

wagnerrp:

you really need to use that numpad

[18:19:34]

sphery:

I don't think the numpad would fix my bad memory/math

[18:19:48]

RockHound (RockHound!~quassel@d067095.adsl.hansenet.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)

[18:20:45]

lyricnz (lyricnz!~simonrobe@ppp118-209-127-130.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) has quit (Quit: lyricnz)

[18:21:11]

wagnerrp:

depends on the keyboard

[18:21:33]

wagnerrp:

the numpad on my sister's keyboard is detachable, has a screen, and doubles as a four-function calculator

[18:21:58]

clever:

neat

[18:22:17]

clever:

one of my calculates doubles as a usb keyboard, either as a plain number pad or a calculate with a 'paste' button

[18:22:42]

sphery:

I should consider replacing the keyboard/mouse on this system... keyboard has no letters on about 10 keys (worn off) and has grooves on several (from overuse, it seems)

[18:22:43]

wagnerrp:

and triples as a bluetooth media remote

[18:22:56]

wagnerrp:

of course the keys are so mushy, i cant use it

[18:23:09]

sphery:

mouse is an old 1st-gen MS optical mouse that sends spurious wheel events--which is annoying

[18:23:17]

sphery:

and wakes the system from sleep, too

[18:23:42]

wagnerrp:

im only missing two letters, no grooves though

[18:23:56]

stuartm:

those AMD Neos are nice, I wonder what the overall power consumption of that revo is though

[18:24:15]

wagnerrp:

stuartm: still too low power to be of use

[18:24:24]

sphery:

I've got grooves on Ctrl, Alt, C, V

[18:24:29]

sphery:

think it's how my fingers hit them

[18:24:33]

draioch (draioch!~draioch@109.76.3.63) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:24:50]

sphery:

stuartm: I agree they're pretty nice, but not enough for a mythtv frontend

[18:25:27]

sphery:

I like the Fusion processors better, but they'll have AMD graphics, which isn't ideal for mythtv frontend, either

[18:25:40]

rojo (rojo!rojo@sweet.headcandy.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:25:54]

wagnerrp:

not ideal, but generally usable these days

[18:26:08]

sphery:

the main interesting thing about the Revo is its use of ION graphics

[18:26:14]

rojo:

anyone know of a howto for setting up mythweb in Cherokee instead of Apache?

[18:26:47]

wagnerrp:

uh huh...

[18:27:21]

aputerboy (aputerboy!~chatzilla@pool-96-233-32-137.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

[18:27:30]

rushfan (rushfan!~rushfan@c-71-232-0-154.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:27:41]

sphery:

stuartm: I will agree that the RevoPad looks interesting for a mythtv frontend

[18:27:42]

stuartm:

for some reason the label on the L key of my keyboard has worn off, and half the left shi.. but everything else is fine

[18:28:14]

sphery:

Revo 100 also bundles RevoPad, a touch-sensitive keyboard, remote, touchpad which integrates neatly into the Revo 100's chassis, providing full media controls as well as web, email browsing and control of two-foot applications.

[18:28:16]

stuartm:

oops, just notice that the top half of 'c' has gone

[18:29:47]

sphery:

I'm missing Ctrl, Alt, D, C, V, N, M, K, L, ,, .

[18:30:05]

sphery:

oh, and down arrow is half missing

[18:30:18]

clever:

one of my older laptops has most of the keys polished to a shive, and no silkscreen remaining

[18:30:27]

clever:

shine*

[18:33:43]

Beirdo:

bleh!

[18:34:03]

stuartm:

yeah, I'd expect Ctrl, Alt, X, C, V to be well worn, but I can't explain L having worn faster than those

[18:34:28]

Beirdo:

it's part of his name ;)

[18:36:07]

wagnerrp:

stuartm: i keep my arms out at about 45deg, with my wrists parallel

[18:36:33]

wagnerrp:

as a result, my outer fingers curl under to rest on a/s/l/;, and my nails scratch the letters off

[18:36:42]

wagnerrp:

l makes perfect sense (at least for me)

[18:42:25]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!~ryebrye@67.199.189.49) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)

[18:42:40]

stuartm:

wagnerrp: could be that my finger tends to rest on the L, I keep my hands flatter though so my nails wouldn't scratch the keys, or not the L

[18:44:04]

stuartm:

probably just a defect with the glue/paint/transfer or whatever they use on the L that has caused it to wear away faster

[18:44:29]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!~ryebrye@67.199.189.49) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:48:09]

NightMonkey (NightMonkey!debian-tor@pdpc/supporter/professional/nightmonkey) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:48:54]

benklop (benklop!~bklopfens@little-black-box.vmware.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:57:50]

vezza (vezza!~andrea__@host184-40-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has quit (Quit: Sto andando via)

[18:57:56]

sphery:

hmmm... WD says that the Caviar Greens are designed for 1M load/unload cycles: http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/e . . . p_faqid=5357

[18:59:28]

jannau:

smart data says iirc 400k, but even 1M are reachable within 1 year

[18:59:49]

sphery:

yeah... mine--after a few months use is only at 3K cycles

[19:00:09]

sphery:

but probably makes sense to pre-emptively do something about it

[19:00:42]

sphery:

they do say that, "Present SMART normalized values have not been re-normalized to 1 million cycles so advisory reporting on this attribute does not mean failure of product."

[19:00:44]

RockHound (RockHound!~quassel@d067095.adsl.hansenet.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:00:56]

sphery:

so their SMART reporting is off

[19:03:15]

sphery:

so, what's the recommended use for wdidle3? I've seen some mention using wdidle3 /d to disable parking and others use a /s type switch to set the parking time

[19:03:36]

Beirdo:

hehehe

[19:03:40]

Beirdo:

w-diddle.

[19:03:45]

sphery:

heh

[19:04:02]

Beirdo:

I think I've been watching too much SVU

[19:04:40]

wagnerrp:

wont anyone please think of the children?

[19:05:52]

** Beirdo considers breaking down and getting a Kindle **

[19:06:15]

mag0o (mag0o!20001@slackhost.lynchmv.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)

[19:06:20]

mag0o (mag0o!20001@slackhost.lynchmv.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:06:32]

wagnerrp:

problem is youre stuck with amazon

[19:06:41]

Beirdo:

yeah

[19:06:44]

wagnerrp:

and amazon seems pretty intent on only allowing amazon content

[19:06:46]

sphery:

but at least you're not stuck with iphone

[19:06:51]

Beirdo:

hehe

[19:06:58]

wagnerrp:

otherwise, there would be no reason they wouldnt allow google books

[19:07:02]

Beirdo:

I already have a kindle reader for the iphone

[19:07:16]

Beirdo:

and they DO have google books on the iphone too

[19:07:30]

wagnerrp:

they have google books on everything /but/ the kindle

[19:07:34]

Beirdo:

heh

[19:07:35]

Beirdo:

yeah

[19:07:37]

sphery:

yeah, that's what I mean--kindle reader works on lots of platforms

[19:07:40]

wagnerrp:

which means it was amazon's doing, blocking it from the system

[19:07:52]

Beirdo:

in all likelihood

[19:07:53]

sphery:

but an apple ebook thing would probably be only apple stuff

[19:08:16]

sphery:

so though amazon locks you in to purchasing from them, at least you can choose your hardware

[19:08:20]

wagnerrp:

i saw one of those screens for the first time a couple weeks ago

[19:08:29]

wagnerrp:

cousin brought a nook to thanksgiving

[19:08:39]

rushfan (rushfan!~rushfan@c-71-232-0-154.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)

[19:08:47]

wagnerrp:

theyre... interesting

[19:08:57]

Beirdo:

nook is from B&N right?

[19:09:08]

wagnerrp:

yeah

[19:09:18]

stuartm:

sphery: most of what I read suggests just extending the parking timeout to maximum that way you still get the power saving benefit if the drive is idle for long enough

[19:11:07]

Beirdo:

Wish Borders had something

[19:12:56]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: im going to keep the ppc builds masked for everything

[19:13:11]

kormoc:

Aye

[19:13:20]

wagnerrp:

IMHO, its just not used enough to really be properly tested

[19:13:37]

kormoc:

I was fairly sure I removed them awhile ago

[19:13:50]

wagnerrp:

but tagged and _p builds will be unmasked for amd64 and x86 unless overridden

[19:13:57]

** kormoc nods **

[19:15:13]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!~ryebrye@67.199.189.49) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)

[19:15:25]

xyzabc (xyzabc!~xyzabc@cdm-75-109-38-103.asbnva.dh.suddenlink.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:15:28]

sphery:

stuartm: thanks... btw, are you using freedos on your boot disk?

[19:15:37]

xyzabc:

is there any way to delete all the programs in a group?

[19:15:54]

sphery:

I found that I need the 386 with everything but cdrom--the one up to xdma--for my last firmware update

[19:15:59]

wagnerrp:

xyzabc: add the group to a playlist, delete the playlist

[19:16:17]

sphery:

stuartm: might be why yours rebooted?

[19:16:44]

stuartm:

sphery: yeah, it used freedos, iirc

[19:16:57]

xyzabc:

wagnerrp: o.k i'll give that a try can you do that from the web interface?

[19:17:04]

wagnerrp:

no

[19:17:13]

stuartm:

but it was jannau's memdisk image so I'm not sure what version/configuration was being used

[19:17:25]

wagnerrp:

but you can select a group from the dropdown in the webinterface

[19:17:33]

wagnerrp:

and quickly click/enter/click/enter/...

[19:18:04]

stuartm:

I can try again tomorrow with a self-created bootdisk

[19:18:32]

sphery:

stuartm: ah, mine gives a boot menu... I can send you a copy of my dos boot floppy--it's a 2.88MB floppy, but with grub2 + memdisk, it goes nicely onto a USB flash drive

[19:19:01]

stuartm:

sphery: that would save me the trouble, thanks :)

[19:19:02]

sphery:

stuartm: and it looks like the WD Green I have allows going all the way to 300s (older drives only allowed up to 25.5)

[19:19:43]

jannau:

stuartm: 1.05

[19:20:24]

stuartm:

could do it tonight, I need to reboot anyway, I left this machine in 'sata' mode instead of AHCI

[19:20:53]

jannau:

the freedos bootdisk itself is rather old

[19:22:48]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: while im at it, can you think of any dependencies we need to add?

[19:23:00]

kormoc:

not offhand

[19:23:08]

wagnerrp:

im doing the various perl/python needs for the bindings and mythnetvision

[19:23:28]

wagnerrp:

and adding a bluray iuse/dependency for the 0.25 builds

[19:23:56]

xyzabc:

wagnerrp, hey that will really makes things easy being able to delete playlists and add groups to playlists, though it looks like the deletion takes a while

[19:24:16]

sphery:

jannau: mine was based off baldor--which is the interim solution until a new version of odin is made

[19:24:23]

wagnerrp:

it should return almost immediately, but yes, the backend will take some time to churn through it

[19:24:24]

RockHound (RockHound!~quassel@d067095.adsl.hansenet.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)

[19:24:31]

wagnerrp:

especially if you store using ext3

[19:24:44]

sphery:

anyway, worth a try for him--might save having to move the drive to a new system

[19:27:52]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!~ryebrye@67.199.189.49) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:27:54]

the_alien (the_alien!~till@xbmc/staff/thealien) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:28:52]

LedHed (LedHed!~LedHed@static-74-45-162-66.dr01.pasn.ca.frontiernet.net) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

[19:29:09]

sebrock (sebrock!~sebrock@h55eb1ec9.selukra.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

[19:32:00]

the_alien (the_alien!~till@xbmc/staff/thealien) has quit (Client Quit)

[19:32:41]

stuartm (stuartm!~gbee@cpc4-derb9-0-0-cust534.8-3.cable.virginmedia.com) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[19:32:52]

sphery:

yay, seems my drive still works, too

[19:33:08]

sphery:

now to test the PUIS jumper

[19:33:14]

xyzabc:

is there any way to get HD support with mythtv. it sounds like you need to insert some type of decoder card into the back of my TV to have HD. I don't mind paying the extra money per month, but my mythtv capture card doesn't have a slot for a card. Is there any work around for this?

[19:33:33]

xyzabc:

this is cable I am talking about

[19:33:33]

Twiggy|worx (Twiggy|worx!~Twiggy@12.182.96.2) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

[19:33:47]

Twiggy|worx (Twiggy|worx!~Twiggy@12.182.96.2) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:33:51]

xyzabc:

of course there are a couple local channels that are HD already

[19:34:13]

sphery:

xyzabc: where in the world?

[19:34:27]

xyzabc:

USA

[19:34:36]

wagnerrp:

!url tuners

[19:34:36]

MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

[19:34:39]

wagnerrp:

you want an ATSC tuner

[19:34:45]

sphery:

in the US, you can't get encrypted cable except via analog capture--meaing for HDTV, you'd have to use HD-PVR

[19:35:10]

wagnerrp:

broadcast is all unencrypted, not decryption needed

[19:35:21]

sphery:

if your cable co has unencrypted QAM channels, you can capture them with a QAM-capable card from the ATSC list

[19:35:26]

sphery:

he said cable, though

[19:35:43]

wagnerrp:

if you are looking for cable, this page better describes what sphery is talking about... http://mythtv.org/wiki/RecordingDigitalCable

[19:35:52]

sphery:

yes, much more detail

[19:36:03]

sphery:

will have to remember that page

[19:36:13]

wagnerrp:

!url nocablecard

[19:36:13]

MythLogBot:

nocablecard: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

[19:36:17]

sphery:

or, better, http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

[19:36:19]

sphery:

yeah

[19:36:21]

wagnerrp:

ah, yeah

[19:36:33]

xyzabc:

ok i'll take a look

[19:36:47]

benklop:

is there a way to increase the resolution the mythweb flash player re-encodes the video to?

[19:37:01]

wagnerrp:

yes, in the same place you went to to enable it in the first place

[19:37:13]

benklop:

hmm.. I don't actually remember doing that

[19:37:31]

wagnerrp:

well its an experimental feature, disabled by default

[19:37:34]

wagnerrp:

so you must have done it

[19:37:37]

benklop:

okay then. clearly my crappy memory at fault here

[19:38:06]

sphery:

xyzabc: and note that there's currently no support for CableCARD solutions (what you were talking about with the "decoder"--really decryption device). Some future version of MythTV will have it, but whether it will be useful in GNU/Linux is up to your cable provider--they may mark a lot of channels as "never record"

[19:38:21]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you around?

[19:38:30]

Beirdo:

yup

[19:38:36]

LedHed (LedHed!~LedHed@static-74-45-162-66.dr01.pasn.ca.frontiernet.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:38:51]

wagnerrp:

when you were culling the mythweather scripts, is it possible you reduced the dependency list?

[19:39:19]

wagnerrp:

the gentoo ebuilds are checking for XML::Parser and XML::SAX, not listed in the configure script

[19:39:21]

Beirdo:

potentially, but I don't think so. Any dep in particular you were looking at?

[19:39:27]

Beirdo:

hmmm

[19:40:10]

Beirdo:

they may just be missing from the configure script. do a quick check, but I know we do have some XML sources (or had)

[19:40:45]

wagnerrp:

well it does list XML::Simple and XML::XPath as required

[19:41:04]

Beirdo:

I can take a look in a bit, I guess. Gimma a moment :)

[19:41:04]

wagnerrp:

which may in turn depend on the other two

[19:41:13]

wagnerrp:

nah, dont worry about it

[19:41:34]

wagnerrp:

not like it matters if people spend an extra 20 seconds once installing a few hundred KB of extra perl modules

[19:42:30]

Beirdo:

hehe, i guess

[19:42:58]

benklop:

wagnerrp: sorryt bout the apparently braindead question

[19:43:00]

benklop:

:-P

[19:43:52]

benklop:

one other thing though, is there a known issue where tryingto pop out the player doesn't work or is that a problem in my environment or an older version or something?

[19:44:10]

wagnerrp:

dont know, not actually used it in a year or two

[19:44:39]

benklop:

i appaently enabled it a long time ago, and never actually checked it or noticed it till now

[19:45:03]

benklop:

this will revolutionize the use of my lunch break at work since i can stream decent quality over my link from home

[19:45:27]

benklop:

got a VPN going :)

[19:45:40]

wagnerrp:

for variable definitions of the term decent

[19:45:57]

benklop:

well yes

[19:46:43]

benklop:

more decent than what I thought..

[19:47:06]

benklop:

actually i should try to see how high it can go

[19:50:01]

kormoc:

the popout player code should work fine as long as your popup blockers have it greenlisted

[19:50:40]

carter05 (carter05!~carter05@ns1.neomezeny-hosting.cz) has left #mythtv-users ()

[19:53:15]

andreax (andreax!~andreaz@p57B9544B.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:53:38]

RockHound (RockHound!~quassel@d067095.adsl.hansenet.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:53:43]

sphery:

wagnerrp: you weren't able to get PUIS working with your Caviar Greens and your controllers, right?

[19:54:03]

wagnerrp:

no, it did /something/ because none of those drives were detected by the controller

[19:54:09]

sphery:

hmmm

[19:54:11]

xyzabc (xyzabc!~xyzabc@cdm-75-109-38-103.asbnva.dh.suddenlink.net) has quit (Quit: Leaving)

[19:54:17]

sphery:

it's just jumpering pins 3 & 4, right?

[19:54:24]

wagnerrp:

i didnt actually check inside the firmware to see what happened

[19:54:33]

wagnerrp:

the defined arrays just werent available

[19:56:08]

sphery:

I think I'll try jumpering it--even though the sticker and http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/e . . . 2C294#jumper don't mention PUIS

[19:56:13]

sphery:

and see what happens

[19:58:24]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: libbluray is a masked package, and the gentoo guidelines say if a package has masked dependencies, it should be masked too

[19:58:33]

wagnerrp:

does that still hold if its an optional dependency?

[19:59:03]

benklop:

kormoc: when I try to pop out, I get a black window with dark grey text that reads "flowplayer( "player", "http://192.168.2.5/mythweb/tv/flowplayer-3.1.1.swf", { playlist: [ // this first PNG clip works as a splash image { url: 'http://192.168.2.5/mythweb/tv/get_pixmap/myth . . . 91946400/640

[19:59:09]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, I'd say no, it doesn't

[19:59:30]

wagnerrp:

ok, i think im done

[19:59:39]

kormoc:

benklop, it's not parsing the javascript in that window then

[19:59:45]

kormoc:

benklop, noscript?

[20:00:06]

benklop:

kormoc: nope, just a generic firefox, now with popup blocknig disabled

[20:00:16]

weta (weta!~aross@CPE485b390978ce-CM00222ddf42dd.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

[20:00:20]

wagnerrp:

no, still missing some perl stuff for the perl bindings

[20:00:33]

weta (weta!~aross@CPE485b390978ce-CM00222ddf42dd.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:01:03]

duffydack (duffydack!~duffydack@adsl-94-72-209-80.karoo.kcom.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:01:29]

benklop:

whats odd is if I right click and view source, that is empty..

[20:01:58]

kormoc:

it's a dynamically generated window, so it won't have source

[20:04:04]

kenni (kenni!~kenni@pfsense.dhcp.pop.k-net.dk) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)

[20:06:15]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: do you have any problem installing the perl bindings?

[20:06:23]

kormoc:

nope

[20:06:35]

wagnerrp:

ive got dev-perl/Net-UPnP installed

[20:06:48]

wagnerrp:

but apparently i dont get the ControlPoint and QueryResponse along with that package

[20:08:21]

sphery:

yeah, some versions of it have buggy installers

[20:08:31]

sphery:

you can install them separately

[20:08:45]

skd5aner:

sphery: this laptop has a full keypad – http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-RF510-S01-15-6- . . . ef=de_a_smtd

[20:08:59]

skd5aner:

I'm considering it, but it's a bit bigger/heavier than what I'm looking for

[20:09:17]

carter05 (carter05!~carter05@ns1.neomezeny-hosting.cz) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:09:18]

skd5aner:

just saw earlier that you like full keypads when available :)

[20:09:33]

wagnerrp:

sphery doesnt use the keypad

[20:09:46]

sphery:

yeah, wagnerrp likes full keypads

[20:09:49]

sphery:

I don't use them :)

[20:09:56]

sphery:

but thanks for the thought--it counts

[20:10:08]

wagnerrp:

i think a keypad on a laptop would be nice, but it would make it excessively large

[20:10:23]

sphery:

my dad has a 16" (16:9) laptop with a full keypad

[20:10:28]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, seems to work for me

[20:10:44]

wagnerrp:

ill reinstall it

[20:11:32]

sphery:

wagnerrp: can go directly to Net::UPnP::ControlPoint and Net::UPnP::QueryResponse

[20:11:55]

wagnerrp:

sphery: but you cant very well do that in a package script

[20:11:56]

sphery:

then it works whether you used the buggy installer or not

[20:12:14]

awalls (awalls!~awalls@d-216-36-28-191.cpe.metrocast.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[20:12:15]

wagnerrp:

/i/ can do that, but i dont want to make the ebuild do that

[20:12:23]

stuartm (stuartm!~gbee@cpc4-derb9-0-0-cust534.8-3.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:12:23]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stuartm

[20:12:28]

sphery:

isn't it just building with different args?

[20:12:34]

kormoc:

I ran the flush_del_group.pl script and had no messages about UPnP

[20:12:53]

sphery:

i.e. build/install once for net:upnp, then for controlpoint, then for queryresponse

[20:12:59]

stuartm:

I give up, bios refuses to boot from this usb drive :(

[20:13:01]

sphery:

been a long time, so may not be the case

[20:13:09]

wagnerrp:

when i installed the package, i saw those two modules flash by

[20:13:13]

wagnerrp:

thet should be installed

[20:13:24]

sphery:

stuartm: sorry... not even getting the grub2 menu?

[20:13:26]

wagnerrp:

yeah... something just broken on my system

[20:13:31]

wagnerrp:

reinstalled the package, and there they are

[20:13:42]

stuartm:

sphery: nope, bios reports that it's not a bootable disk

[20:13:57]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, I think the installer is buggy in that it breaks when trying to do it all in one pass

[20:14:21]

sphery:

stuartm: that's too bad... I have 2 systems left that have problems booting from USB flash

[20:14:56]

stuartm:

sphery: I've booted from flash in the past with this system, but it doesn't seem to like this one for some reason

[20:15:50]

sphery:

and the grub-install didn't report errors?

[20:16:03]

sphery:

(and it is grub2, right--your distro may use grub2-install)

[20:18:46]

stuartm:

0.97

[20:22:39]

Crys (Crys!~|Crys|@plone/tiran) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:23:41]

sphery:

I think you'll need grub2 for it to work right

[20:23:50]

Crys:

hello

[20:24:08]

sphery:

like 1.98 or whatever

[20:24:11]

stuartm:

sphery: doesn't appear to be available for Mandriva

[20:25:27]

stuartm:

might be available in the next release

[20:26:18]

stuartm:

there is a serious kick in performance when using AHCI, didn't expect that

[20:26:46]

sphery:

yeah, ahci drivers are much nicer than chipset-specific ones

[20:27:00]

Slim-Kimbo (Slim-Kimbo!~Kimbo@host86-159-6-251.range86-159.btcentralplus.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:27:40]

tgm4883 (tgm4883!~tgm4883@ubuntu/member/tgm4883) has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)

[20:27:45]

tgm4883 (tgm4883!~tgm4883@204.8.45.13) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:27:45]

tgm4883 (tgm4883!~tgm4883@ubuntu/member/tgm4883) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:27:45]

tgm4883 (tgm4883!~tgm4883@204.8.45.13) has quit (Changing host)

[20:28:00]

sphery:

wagnerrp: it "worked" for me--but not right... Got a timeout when kernel queried the drive, so it ended up doing a hard SATA reset

[20:28:05]

sphery:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/HQHzTr2V

[20:28:24]

sphery:

wonder if you can tell the kernel to send a spinup command

[20:28:48]

Crys:

I'm looking for hardware advice. I like to replace my DVB-S receiver and DVD player with a MythTV setup (combined front- and backend) that can also play Bluray disks. I'm not sure if a on board NVidia GeForce cad (8xxx series) is sufficient for VDPAU accelerated playback. Should I go for a 210 or 220 model?

[20:29:45]

kenni (kenni!~kenni@pfsense.dhcp.pop.k-net.dk) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:29:50]

wagnerrp:

any 8xxx card (minus the original 8800GTX/GTS) is capable of VDPAU

[20:30:13]

wagnerrp:

the newer GTxxx cards have support for MPEG4ASP (divx/xvid) as well as an improved scaler

[20:30:15]

RyeBrye_ (RyeBrye_!~ryebrye@67.199.189.49) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:30:34]

wagnerrp:

aside from that, the only difference is shader performance which dictates which deinterlacers you can use

[20:32:31]

Crys:

wagnerrp: yeah, I've studied the VDPAU article. I've less experience with video and graphics filters. How important is a better deinterlacer for DVB-S, XVid and Bluray playback?

[20:32:37]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!~ryebrye@67.199.189.49) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)

[20:32:37]

RyeBrye_ is now known as RyeBrye

[20:33:02]

wagnerrp:

depends on whether your content is interlaced or not

[20:33:07]

wagnerrp:

bluray will likely never be

[20:33:14]

wagnerrp:

anything you have in xvid generally wont be

[20:33:20]

Crys:

(I'm nore of a developer and server admin with Linux since 1998)

[20:33:38]

wagnerrp:

also, anything in xvid is likely going to be standard definition, and perfectly capable of being decoded by your CPU anyway

[20:33:43]

Crys:

How about DVB-S(2) and DVB-T?

[20:33:49]

wagnerrp:

those... i dont know

[20:34:03]

wagnerrp:

over here, we only get 720p and 1080i

[20:34:14]

wagnerrp:

DVB also supports 1080p, so i dont know how common 1080i is

[20:34:32]

wagnerrp:

and the low end cards should manage the high end filters on 480i content

[20:35:42]

Crys:

I though that VDPAU can also optimize transcoding and stuff like commercial detection?

[20:35:54]

wagnerrp:

nope

[20:37:16]

Crys:

Sure? ffmpeg has vdpau support.

[20:37:38]

wagnerrp:

vdpau is designed for video output, like Xv and XvMC

[20:38:09]

stoffel (stoffel!~quassel@91.137.68.97) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:38:09]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stoffel

[20:38:12]

wagnerrp:

while you /can/ capture frames though OpenGL, neither mythcommflag or mythtranscode is currently designed to do so

[20:39:37]

Crys:

Ah, I was under the impression that VDPAU offers something similar like CUDA but limited and optimized for video en- and decoding like DCT.

[20:40:16]

wagnerrp:

no, CUDA is a general purpose programming language designed for nvidia shader hardware

[20:40:39]

wagnerrp:

VDPAU is an X11 interface for video display acceleration

[20:40:58]

duffydack (duffydack!~duffydack@adsl-94-72-209-80.karoo.kcom.com) has left #mythtv-users ("Leaving")

[20:41:03]

wagnerrp:

Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix

[20:41:13]

wagnerrp:

that 'Presentation' part is key

[20:41:40]

wagnerrp:

like i said, you /can/ use it for generic video decoding, by capturing the decoded texture through OpenGL

[20:41:44]

Crys:

so it's really limited to video playback and doesn't allow to use the GPU for encoding and decoding.

[20:42:11]

wagnerrp:

VDPAU does not decode using the GPU

[20:42:21]

wagnerrp:

there is a custom video processor on the silicon

[20:42:28]

Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!~chris@h231.136.185.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:42:37]

wagnerrp:

only the deint filters run on the GPU itself

[20:43:08]

Technophil (Technophil!~David@203-97-234-182.cable.telstraclear.net) has quit (Quit: Leaving.)

[20:43:16]

Crys:

Thanks for the clarification! It seems like I got it all wrong ...

[20:43:39]

wagnerrp:

you /can/ use it for that purpose, but it wasnt really designed or intended for it

[20:43:50]

wagnerrp:

unlike something like the crystalhd which has no form of output

[20:43:54]

wagnerrp:

and is only a video decoder

[20:44:31]

wagnerrp:

for commflagging, decoding only accounts for maybe half of the total system load

[20:44:40]

wagnerrp:

for transcoding, its far less than that

[20:45:09]

wagnerrp:

and to be honest, hardware decoders are limiting

[20:45:35]

wagnerrp:

theyre only ever as good as they were when the lithmask was designed

[20:45:45]

Crys:

Do I understand correctly that CPU is far more important for commercial detection, transcoding of DVB-S TS and Bluray than GPU?

[20:45:56]

kormoc:

I only use hardware decoding for 720/1080, I still use the cpu for 480 h264

[20:45:57]

wagnerrp:

can if you try to make them robust, youre just going to end up wasting tons of silicon

[20:46:15]

wagnerrp:

commercial detection and transcoding currently only run on the CPU

[20:46:51]

wagnerrp:

further, i would never transcode or run commercial detection on bluray

[20:46:55]

wagnerrp:

theres just no purpose to it

[20:47:26]

iamlindoro:

And if you're in DVB land, you should pretty much give up on commercial detection altogether

[20:47:31]

Crys:

By Bluray I was talking about Bluray playback from a Bluray/DVD drive combo.

[20:47:58]

wagnerrp:

playback works fine through vdpau on any card that supports vdpau

[20:48:07]

wagnerrp:

but you said transcoding

[20:48:30]

Crys:

iamlindoro: I'm living in Germany. The trick with the logo should work for most TV channels.

[20:48:42]

iamlindoro:

Nope

[20:49:02]

iamlindoro:

Logo detection is just part of commercial detection, not just one random checkbox

[20:49:17]

iamlindoro:

If logo detection would enough, it would work many/most places

[20:49:21]

iamlindoro:

er were enough

[20:49:45]

Crys:

iamlindoro: damn ...

[20:49:56]

iamlindoro:

And blu-ray playback from a drive has nothing to do with commercial flagging or transcoding

[20:50:11]

iamlindoro:

There's no transcode step in playback

[20:51:58]

Crys:

iamlindoro: Right now I have to transcode nearly all files for my DLNA aware TV. I hope to get rid of it with a MythTV setup.

[20:53:16]

iamlindoro:

MythTV will not transcode your files for DLNA/uPnP

[20:53:51]

fruza (fruza!~fruza@18.Red-79-157-53.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has quit (Quit: Bye)

[20:54:04]

Crys:

I know and I won't need it anymore.

[20:56:29]

Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!~chris@h231.136.185.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has quit (Quit: I am called onward)

[20:57:31]

Crys:

How does a system with a dual core CPU (2.8 to 3 GHz) and NVidia GT210 sound to you? Is it sufficient for simultaneous DVB-S2 recording and Bluray playback?

[20:57:51]

wagnerrp:

DVB recording of any sort doesnt need much at all

[20:58:10]

wagnerrp:

and a CPU of that speed should be able to do bluray playback even in software if you desire

[20:59:15]

Crys:

Is MythTV storing the TS on disk?

[20:59:27]

wagnerrp:

yes

[21:00:15]

Crys:

Ah :) That doesn't take a lot of CPU, right ...

[21:00:29]

wagnerrp:

nope, just a file copy at <3MB/s

[21:01:55]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: ok, builds pushed

[21:01:57]

Crys:

thanks

[21:03:16]

Steve_Goodey (Steve_Goodey!~steve@host109-158-143-174.range109-158.btcentralplus.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:03:37]

skd5aner:

wow, I'm actually considering buying a "gateway" laptop

[21:03:52]

skd5aner:

... probably the first time since they changed their name from gateway2000 ;)

[21:05:36]

sphery:

didn't someone buy gateway

[21:05:50]

sphery:

acer

[21:06:05]

wagnerrp:

HP

[21:06:27]

sphery:

seems it's acer--from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway,_Inc. "Subsidiary of Acer"

[21:06:31]

Crys:

Any advice on a power efficient CPU?

[21:06:56]

sphery:

Crys: any modern 2.8 to 3GHz dual-core will be good at power efficiency

[21:07:22]

sphery:

though buying a low-TDP version of such is a good idea if you'll be running at other than idle

[21:07:48]

sebrock (sebrock!~sebrock@h55eb1ec9.selukra.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:07:52]

sphery:

so, like any 65W TDP CPU would be good.. a 45W would be better--but only if you're running at full load

[21:08:24]

sphery:

it's easy--and inexpensive--to find 65W TDP CPUs in that speed range and configuration (dual-core 2.8–3.0GHz)

[21:08:46]

wagnerrp:

and understand that even when a processor is advertised as 73W or 89W or 95W, that is only the maximum theoretical output for that whole processor line

[21:08:51]

wagnerrp:

and it will likely idle at far less

[21:08:54]

sphery:

right

[21:08:55]

Crys:

I'm more interested in saving power. Electricity rates are exploding in Germany ...

[21:09:09]

sphery:

and will likely /also/ run under load at far less than stated TDP

[21:09:17]

SteveGoodey (SteveGoodey!~steve@host109-158-143-174.range109-158.btcentralplus.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:09:25]

wagnerrp:

for an example, an 89W i5–661 can run in a system that idles at 25W at the wall

[21:09:44]

wagnerrp:

and only get up to 70W (again for the whole system) under full load

[21:10:13]

sphery:

Crys: best way to save power is to shut down the system when not in use... so, use mythwelcome/mythshutdown on your frontend systems and mythshutdown with alarm wakeup on your master backend and mythbackend's remote sleep/wake-on-lan for remote backends

[21:10:21]

Crys:

70 W including hard disk?

[21:10:36]

wagnerrp:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/25w-performance-pc,2551.html

[21:10:42]

wagnerrp:

in that example, they used an SSD

[21:11:00]

wagnerrp:

a proper hard drive might tack on another 5–6W

[21:11:08]

sphery:

Crys: my manifesto: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/448321#448321

[21:11:22]

sphery:

also includes a link to the Tom's 25W system article and a couple of others

[21:11:51]

sphery:

basically, Atom is not the way to go (and you seem to have figured that out, already!), but shut down is the way to really save power

[21:11:59]

wagnerrp:

just about any i3 or i5 desktop processor will be powerful enough for any content you may have in mythtv

[21:11:59]

Crys:

sphery: I'll stick to a single PC setup for now (combined front- and backend). Someday I might move the hard disks to a NAS.

[21:12:06]

sphery:

Mac Mini, however, is one of the best extremely-low-powered systems you can get.

[21:12:11]

Crys:

sphery: nice!

[21:12:11]

sphery:

at least for off-the-shelf

[21:12:13]

wagnerrp:

the only stuff that might cause problems is the original BBCHD stuff from a couple years ago

[21:12:22]

wagnerrp:

when they were running 20Mbps single sliced H264

[21:12:26]

wagnerrp:

but they dont do that anymore

[21:12:54]

wagnerrp:

a similarly clocked AMD chip with nvidia graphics would be another good option

[21:13:48]

sphery:

yeah, the hard part being finding an AMD mobo that doesn't have a built-in AMD video--as, ideally, built-in nvidia video would be lowest power

[21:14:38]

sphery:

though a properly-chosen discreet video card could be relatively low power, too (and a mobo that allows disabling the video on mobo may save a few watts, even if there's integrated video)

[21:15:19]

Crys:

sphery: It's really hard to find a mATX board without GPU but with a SPDIF connector. Most mATX boards have a onboard GPU, mostly ATI for AM3 motherboards.

[21:15:32]

sphery:

yeah

[21:16:02]

sphery:

I've been buying systems with integrated AMD video and just sticking nvidia discrete cards in there for mythfrontend systems

[21:16:06]

Crys:

I don't want to pay 100 bucks for a mobo, too.

[21:16:43]

sphery:

and, fwiw, I'm a huge fan of the AMD Regor chips--Athlon II 240 or 250 (or the 240e or 250e, if you can find it) would be great

[21:16:47]

Crys:

I've a ATI graphics chip in my Lenovo T60P ... it sucks :(

[21:16:49]

sphery:

I have a 250 in my frontend

[21:17:11]

** stuartm has bought boards with onboard Nvidia GPUs **

[21:17:22]

sphery:

as I couldn't get a 250e (the 250 is the 65W TDP CPU and the 250e is and identical CPU that's rated at 45W TDP)

[21:17:28]

wagnerrp:

ATI graphics are perfectly fine... as long as youre not running graphics

[21:17:39]

Crys:

or Linux

[21:17:46]

sphery:

wagnerrp: agreed--works great for every system I have, except my mythfrontend systems

[21:18:04]

sphery:

I can do 2D accel with FOSS drivers, including Xv--sufficient for my non-mythfrontend needs

[21:18:12]

Crys:

ATI has dropped the support for my chip about a year ago.

[21:18:39]

sphery:

Crys: yeah, but the bright side is the FOSS drivers are pretty good for them--as long as you don't need on-GPU video decode or similar

[21:19:02]

sphery:

or high-performance video (as anything more than Xv is likely going to be a problem)

[21:19:23]

sphery:

http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature

[21:19:36]

sphery:

basically, it's the 3D stuff that's TODO

[21:19:47]

Crys:

sphery: There are getting better, yeah. But closed source nVIDIA drivers are still causing less trouble than FOSS radeon drivers.

[21:19:54]

sphery:

oh, and Northern Islands support--but those chips aren't out, yet

[21:20:11]

sphery:

Crys: agreed--for mythfrontend you want nvidia + proprietary drivers

[21:20:48]

sphery:

mythfrontend actually does high-performance video, so it needs more than the radeon driver can provide

[21:21:29]

messerting (messerting!~messertin@39.79-161-65.customer.lyse.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:21:40]

Crys:

I hope to get VMWare or VirtualBox 3d acceleration working on the planed computer. My GF likes to play big fish games (hidden object). It'll be fun to play them on a large screen with a Wiimote.

[21:22:09]

stoffel (stoffel!~quassel@91.137.68.97) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[21:22:12]

Crys:

Wine isn't sufficient for recent games :/

[21:22:19]

sphery:

another option is a dedicated backend + dual-boot frontend--big downside is that it's 2x the computers (and, therefore, likely to be more power)

[21:22:37]

sphery:

but it allows you to shut down the frontend and boot to windows without regard to recording schedule

[21:22:42]

Crys:

More money and all sat cables end up in the living room.

[21:23:07]

sphery:

I put my computers in a different room and just ran the video and audio cables through the wall

[21:23:17]

sphery:

no case is prettier than my invisible case

[21:23:34]

sphery:

(nor quieter than my in-the-other-room case)

[21:23:39]

iamlindoro:

Mine is

[21:23:48]

sphery:

impossible!

[21:23:57]

iamlindoro:

My invisible case is way hotter than your invisible case

[21:24:10]

sphery:

oh, well, if yours is invisible, too, it might be

[21:24:12]

iamlindoro:

Also, my invisible case can beat up your invisible case

[21:24:16]

sphery:

I cheaped out on my invisible case

[21:24:24]

sphery:

figured I can't really see it, anyway, so...

[21:24:37]

Crys:

That's not possible here. The bed room is on the other side of the wall behind my TV.

[21:25:00]

iamlindoro:

Nobody said it has to be right on the other side of the wall, mine isn't

[21:25:07]

sphery:

yeah, may require more work than you're willing to invest to get it in a good location and still run wires for it

[21:25:09]

stuartm:

a lifesize Jewel Staite case would be both prettier and hotter than either of your invisible cases

[21:25:19]

sphery:

stuartm: I stand corrected

[21:25:20]

iamlindoro:

stuartm: Now that is a fact

[21:25:33]

iamlindoro:

But also one I'd have a hard time keeping in the closet

[21:26:09]

Crys:

I'd had to choose between bed room and bath ;)

[21:26:12]

** sphery waits to see stuartm post his pics of his Jewel Staite case mod to one of the usual sites **

[21:26:32]

sphery:

Crys: ah, well, that's not necessarily ideal... :(

[21:26:41]

Crys:

The closet with my tech equipment is too far away

[21:27:19]

stuartm:

it could even obscure the TV screen and I'd not care

[21:27:34]

sphery:

Crys: not my system, but this came across the mailing lists: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/2192513428/

[21:27:55]

stuartm:

of course if I had the real Jewel in my living room I'd have no need for a TV or MythTV at all

[21:28:16]

Crys:

sphery: w00t, somebody *is* an addict.

[21:28:19]

sphery:

one of those crazy UK guys

[21:28:20]

stuartm:

and that's enough creepiness from me ;)

[21:29:16]

sphery:

I really should have said bathroom in the same line that I put the URI on so I could find it more easily in my logs... http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/2192513428/ , heh, done

[21:30:11]

iamlindoro:

Mine still wins ;)

[21:30:38]

sphery:

remember that one's not mine, though

[21:30:47]

sphery:

and I think we've established that stuartm's wins

[21:30:47]

Crys:

I don't own the apartment, I'm just a lodger. So I don't want to invest too much money into cables and other stuff. Also I'm not allowed to drill too many holes ...

[21:31:02]

iamlindoro:

I probably need to take some new shots, my curent ones are with .21 + blootube

[21:31:03]

sphery:

ah, yeah, that complexifies things

[21:31:13]

stuartm:

someone needs to remind Lawrence that putting [Patch] in the subject of a ticket is redundant

[21:31:21]

sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, need to update that to a real theme--like MythCenter

[21:31:23]

sphery:

;)

[21:31:33]

** iamlindoro throws up **

[21:31:53]

sphery:

if you had a bathroom mythtv box, that wouldn't be a problem

[21:33:00]

Crys:

I like the tube on the picture.

[21:33:01]

iamlindoro:

Alas, I'll just have to scrape by with http://robertmcnamara.smugmug.com/Hobbies/Hom . . . 4sjM9-XL.jpg

[21:35:26]

sebrock (sebrock!~sebrock@h55eb1ec9.selukra.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)

[21:35:36]

sphery:

iamlindoro: nice... with arclight, it would be an awesome pic

[21:35:43]

iamlindoro:

Can be arranged

[21:35:54]

stuartm:

I can photoshop that in there

[21:35:58]

sphery:

hard part is getting the pic before arclight causes your CPU to melt down

[21:36:23]

iamlindoro:

That's where my daily shipments of pristine glacial ice come in

[21:36:48]

sphery:

btw, all the above anti-arclight jokes are jokes--it's my favorite theme and is only rumored to cause problems (that themes can't cause)

[21:36:54]

sphery:

heh

[21:37:14]

iamlindoro:

Glad we got rid of it

[21:37:19]

sphery:

the real cause of the glacial ice receeding--Arclight

[21:37:26]

iamlindoro:

now we can concentrate on default themes like MythCenter and default-wide

[21:37:37]

iamlindoro:

er on quality themes like

[21:37:45]

sphery:

no, we need a ral default theme so we can get rid of MythCenter*

[21:37:53]

sphery:

and a real default theme, too

[21:37:56]

iamlindoro:

MythTV has default themes in the same manner as Mac OS has games

[21:38:03]

sphery:

heh

[21:38:32]

sphery:

Photoshop

[21:42:09]

iamlindoro:

BTW, to backtrack, there have been umpteen chances to have "real default themes"

[21:42:29]

iamlindoro:

But you get clueless comments like "it looks ugly without metadata" which is both wrong and ignorant

[21:42:55]

iamlindoro:

There will always be some objection because our clueless devs are just as change averse as our clueless users

[21:42:59]

JEDIDIAH__ (JEDIDIAH__!~jedi@cpe-76-185-72-21.tx.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:43:02]

iamlindoro:

Until we shake ourselves to pieces

[21:43:53]

sphery:

agreed

[21:44:12]

sphery:

but I think the "real default theme" needs to be the same theme done 2x in 4:3 and 16:9 versions

[21:44:42]

sphery:

so it's identical widgets, look on either aspect, yet uses space effectively

[21:44:47]

messerting (messerting!~messertin@39.79-161-65.customer.lyse.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[21:44:59]

messerting (messerting!~messertin@39.79-161-65.customer.lyse.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:45:09]

Wicked:

hello all. Ive been using this "blaster" remote config with my pvr-150 for a long time and it works well for just using the blaster to change channels and so on...and im now trying to get a more complete config working so i added the hauppauge_pvr150 section...and i restarted lircd...but when i try to use irsend with the hauppauge_pvr150 remote it fails. heres the config http://pastebin.com/CnEyfTL1

[21:45:38]

sphery:

plus, it needs to be so neutral as to not cause anyone to complain--and so that the "design by committee" that happens when people start submitting their patches doesn't totally destroy the theme

[21:45:41]

Wicked:

if i try irsend --device=/var/run/lirc/lircd SEND_ONCE hauppauge_pvr150 6 i get "transmission failed"

[21:45:46]

Wicked:

but if i try

[21:45:52]

dherde (dherde!~dherde@216.248.52.108) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:45:54]

Wicked:

irsend --device=/var/run/lirc/lircd SEND_ONCE blaster 6 it works

[21:45:59]

sphery:

in other words, Arclight is way too good a theme to be a default

[21:46:18]

Beirdo:

smokin in the boy's room... now, teacher, don't fill me up with your rules... cuz everybody knows that smoking ain't allowed in school...

[21:47:07]

Beirdo:

sphery: Arclight is very hard to read on a small screen :)

[21:47:20]

messerting (messerting!~messertin@39.79-161-65.customer.lyse.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[21:47:28]

Beirdo:

I know, it wasn't designed for that use... but another reason that as a default, it would cause complaints

[21:47:43]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: That's your opinion, one with which I disagree

[21:47:52]

iamlindoro:

I use it all the time on a 20 inch display

[21:47:54]

dherde (dherde!~dherde@216.248.52.108) has quit (Client Quit)

[21:47:54]

messerting (messerting!~messertin@39.79-161-65.customer.lyse.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:47:57]

Wicked:

also if i run irw and hit some of the buttons...it outputs the correct button like: 00000000000017a5 00 OK hauppauge_pvr150

[21:48:07]

Beirdo:

well, those fonts get mighty small

[21:48:15]

Wicked:

so it seems that lircd understands them....but yet irsend doesnt

[21:48:29]

iamlindoro:

But that kind of chatter from people who don't theme is the reason that I am unlikely ever to want to write another one for the project

[21:48:37]

iamlindoro:

so you go ahead and write the new default

[21:48:42]

messerting (messerting!~messertin@39.79-161-65.customer.lyse.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[21:48:43]

Beirdo:

it looks fine on my 22", but much smaller and my 20/20 vision would have issues at 10+ feet

[21:48:48]

iamlindoro:

As my offer to write the proper defaults is rescinded

[21:48:54]

messerting (messerting!~messertin@39.79-161-65.customer.lyse.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:50:35]

zuixro (zuixro!~nick@71-12-71-4.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:51:37]

sphery:

hmmm... I stand corrected--there are a few Northern Islands GPUs out there, already (in the 6800 series, which was release on Oct 22), and AMD just released the 6900 series today

[21:52:00]

iamlindoro:

Something about this project that just drives themers away-- Can only get through a couple before your desire to do so is killed dead

[21:52:41]

iamlindoro:

Good thing themers are a dime a dozen and disposable :P

[21:54:06]

sphery:

wow, 250W max for the AMD 6970

[21:55:52]

GrahamIRC (GrahamIRC!~GrahamIRC@93-97-162-128.zone5.bethere.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:56:20]

zuixro (zuixro!~nick@71-12-71-4.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)

[22:00:46]

draioch (draioch!~draioch@109.76.3.63) has quit (Quit: draioch)

[22:03:25]

SteveGoodey (SteveGoodey!~steve@host109-158-143-174.range109-158.btcentralplus.com) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[22:05:34]

Steve_Goodey (Steve_Goodey!~steve@host109-158-143-174.range109-158.btcentralplus.com) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[22:06:30]

streeter (streeter!~streeter@user-24-214-254-79.knology.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:06:41]

streeter (streeter!~streeter@user-24-214-254-79.knology.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[22:09:50]

esperegu (esperegu!~quassel@145.116.15.244) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

[22:11:51]

MavT (MavT!~MaverickT@111.86.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:14:29]

MaverickTech (MaverickTech!~MaverickT@111.86.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)

[22:15:43]

streeter (streeter!~streeter@user-24-214-254-79.knology.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:16:24]

stuartm:

Beirdo: is anyone seriously using a screen that small from 10 feet away? Even in a bedroom I either wouldn't buy a TV that small or if I did it would be closer than 10 feet

[22:16:28]

Captain_Murdoch:

Beirdo, IMHO a 22" or 20" TV isn't supposed to be viewed at 10+ feet.

[22:16:55]

Beirdo:

yeah, fine, but you reduce distance :)

[22:17:01]

Beirdo:

but not to 1ft :)

[22:17:28]

Beirdo:

what distance would one expect to be legible on a 20" screen?

[22:17:37]

Beirdo:

maybe 5–6ft?

[22:18:08]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, I'd say 5–6 max. although I have better than 20/20 with my contacts in.

[22:18:44]

iamlindoro:

Whomever you task with writing defaults, if you really go forward with that, will need to be given free reign

[22:18:46]

Captain_Murdoch:

once you get farther away than that, what's the reason to have HD at that size...

[22:18:53]

Beirdo:

anyways, the one place where I had issues, it seems may not have been themed yet anyways, it was in a setup screen somewhere

[22:19:15]

iamlindoro:

As theming is not something that can be done by committee-- it's the reason current defaults suck

[22:19:24]

Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, I agree. there are enough other themes that we don't need to have 10+ people designing a single default.

[22:19:57]

Captain_Murdoch:

just because it's the default doesn't mean everyone has to like it. the theme chooser/downloader makes it trivial to preview and install new ones.

[22:20:56]

Captain_Murdoch:

speaking of which, I made that screen cache the downloaded theme info, so currently it downloads the list by default when you enter the screen (need to do something about that). then when you re-enter, it uses the cached data until you select 'Refresh Downloadable Themes' off the menu.

[22:20:58]

stuartm:

I'd like to start prompting users to choose their theme on a new install, rather than waiting for users to explore the settings

[22:21:17]

Captain_Murdoch:

stuartm, I thought about making the theme chooser popup right after the language. :)

[22:21:31]

iamlindoro:

stuartm: I was thinking of writing a new config wizard

[22:21:47]

Captain_Murdoch:

first-time config wizard would be nice.

[22:21:49]

iamlindoro:

Would allow the user to step through overscan correction, themes, etc.

[22:22:03]

skd5aner:

"Welcome to MythTV – Let's start configuring your experience (pg 1/3)"

[22:22:06]

iamlindoro:

Maybe even some standard stuff like color test patterns

[22:22:15]

stuartm:

iamlindoro: sounds great

[22:22:16]

Captain_Murdoch:

then we need a CHANGE_THEME jumppoint for those who want to change their theme at random times. ;)

[22:23:40]

iamlindoro:

If audio setup gets mythui'd it could also include a very, very simplified audio setup-- scan for devices, tick which passthrough is supported, test audio, next

[22:23:42]

stuartm:

we need an official set of criteria by which new setting/binding requests are judged and ultimately rejected :)

[22:25:33]

sebrock (sebrock!~sebrock@h55eb1ec9.selukra.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:27:19]

RockHound (RockHound!~quassel@d067095.adsl.hansenet.de) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[22:27:35]

stuartm:

people tend to react more positively if you reject their idea because it doesn't fit a written set of rules, it appears less arbitrary than a developer deciding that they cannot see the point

[22:34:47]

SteveGoodey (SteveGoodey!~quassel@host109-158-143-174.range109-158.btcentralplus.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:37:29]

SteveGoodey (SteveGoodey!~quassel@host109-158-143-174.range109-158.btcentralplus.com) has quit (Client Quit)

[22:46:44]

Digdilem:

just ensure the rules encompass things that developers don't see the point of :)

[22:49:12]

kormoc:

"We're rejecting your idea because you didn't send us photographic proof of the goat sacrifice to Ra on the third blue moon of the year. See rule #2152532623632623632632. Thank you for your interest in MythTV."

[22:49:31]

stuartm:

see, kormoc gets it

[22:53:07]

russell5 (russell5!~russell5@pool-72-93-64-46.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

[22:54:31]

allesmueller (allesmueller!~allesmuel@unixboard/users/allesmueller) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:54:54]

high-rez (high-rez!~gus@2001:470:e935::2) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[22:55:14]

allesmueller:

I´m using 0.24 stable branch and mythtranscode drives me crazy ... 3 fps/s ... any glue how to debug?

[22:55:32]

allesmueller:

I already checked some obvious things like iostat/top also tried to set the power saving gouvernor to performance

[22:55:57]

high-rez (high-rez!~gus@2001:470:e935::2) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:58:10]

sphery:

wow, is that an accelerating mythtranscode? 3 fps/s? run it for 10s and it's already doing 30fps... after 2 minutes, it's doing 360fps... ;)

[22:58:39]

allesmueller:

hehe

[22:58:40]

sphery:

allesmueller: what type of content are you trying to transcode and how are you transcoding it

[22:58:58]

sphery:

and, really, I should ask, "Why are you trying to transcode it?"

[22:59:01]

stuartm (stuartm!~gbee@cpc4-derb9-0-0-cust534.8-3.cable.virginmedia.com) has left #mythtv-users ("Gone")

[22:59:24]

streeter (streeter!~streeter@user-24-214-254-79.knology.net) has quit (Quit: Leaving)

[23:00:04]

allesmueller:

ok transcoding is done to put it on my laptop

[23:00:29]

allesmueller:

just having a mkv there

[23:01:07]

sphery:

so going from what source material?

[23:01:11]

allesmueller:

I´m running mythtv with a s3600 card – means satelite

[23:01:23]

sphery:

high-resolution H.264?

[23:01:29]

sphery:

high-resolution MPEG-2?

[23:01:40]

allesmueller:

mpeg-2

[23:01:52]

sphery:

high res, like 1920x1080?

[23:03:56]

allesmueller:

no – it´s regular

[23:04:01]

sphery:

hmmm

[23:04:10]

sphery:

there are a couple of settings for the job queue

[23:04:19]

sphery:

job queue cpu being one of them

[23:04:26]

sphery:

it should be set at medium

[23:04:38]

sphery:

at low, it will actually sleep a while between each frame

[23:04:52]

Twiggy|worx (Twiggy|worx!~Twiggy@12.182.96.2) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

[23:04:53]

sphery:

high will likely affect playback and recordings, so that's not good

[23:05:16]

sphery:

you may also want to consider using something other than mythtranscode to transcode

[23:05:33]

sphery:

since mythtranscode can only transcode to MPEG-4 or RTJPEG in NUV

[23:05:35]

allesmueller:

I actually use mythnuv2mkv

[23:05:45]

sphery:

ah, don't know that one

[23:05:55]

sphery:

but I was going to suggest nuvexport

[23:06:06]

sphery:

but is the primary reason you're doing it to make them smaller?

[23:06:09]

allesmueller:

but that also utilizes mythtranscode

[23:06:33]

sphery:

if it's standard-def MPEG-2 video, any semi-modern laptop should be able to play that without breaking a sweat

[23:06:55]

allesmueller:

well – at the beginning I also tried to get the videos running on my android phone

[23:07:27]

allesmueller:

semi-modern laptop is better than netbook :)

[23:07:29]

sphery:

and, IMHO, if you're going to all the trouble for space savings, you'd be better served getting a nice 500GB external HDD (enough for about 250hours of SDTV MPEG-2) and just copying the original recordings to it

[23:07:41]

sphery:

yeah, don't know about netbook

[23:08:11]

sphery:

and transcoding for embedded devices like android phones is one of the few reasonable reasons to transcode

[23:08:24]

high-rez:

You know, a good omap4 port would solve these transcoding problems :) IVA-HD could potentially do it realtime :D

[23:08:24]

skd5aner:

I think I getting closer to settling on a new laptop for the wife – http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Port%C3%A9g%C3% . . . ctPromotions

[23:08:37]

sphery:

unfortunately, I don't know what else--besides maybe the job queue cpu setting--could make it run that slow

[23:08:46]

skd5aner:

er, better link – http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Port%C3%A9g%C3% . . . /B0041O425K/

[23:08:51]

Maliuta (Maliuta!~scooby@kiev.lusan.id.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:08:56]

sphery:

but if you're not using mythtv to run the transcode (i.e. using that script you mentioned), the job queue cpu wouldn't be involved

[23:09:14]

sphery:

so, I guess I can leave you to find someone who knows more about transcodes

[23:09:26]

allesmueller:

that´s what I´ld guess too

[23:09:54]

allesmueller:

anyway thanks for your thoughts

[23:09:57]

sphery:

good luck

[23:10:02]

allesmueller:

thx

[23:10:04]

sphery:

hope you can figure it out

[23:10:45]

skd5aner:

I can't decide if I want light and smaller, or heavier and larger – Between these 3 now – http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Port%C3%A9g%C3% . . . B0041O425K/, http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-RF510-S01-15-6- . . . f=de_a_smtd, http://www.amazon.com/Gateway-NV55C22u-15-6-I . . . /B003ZUXXOM/

[23:11:26]

skd5aner:

She's already got an old G4 powerbook – 15" – so I was thinking something a bit more mobile would be nice, but it's the most expensive of the bunch

[23:11:51]

** skd5aner is a classic overthinker **

[23:13:33]

kormoc:

get a 11" macbook air

[23:15:19]

allesmueller:

sphery, I did a more generic test from command line: mythtranscode: 14% Completed @ 278.284 fps.

[23:15:37]

allesmueller:

but the content was fed to /dev/null :)

[23:16:15]

sphery:

maybe it is I/O wait?

[23:16:40]

sphery:

failing HDD with bad blocks requiring the HDD to keep re-reading?

[23:16:46]

allesmueller:

or it's mencoder

[23:16:50]

sphery:

(see dmesg for indicators of disk problems)

[23:17:20]

allesmueller:

I'm quite happy with 278 fps/s ;)

[23:17:24]

kormoc:

try nuvexport, it allows you to use ffmpeg or mencoder

[23:17:31]

kormoc:

(if you honestly think it's mencoder)

[23:17:54]

allesmueller:

honestly is a dangerous word here :)

[23:18:03]

allesmueller:

I have no glue

[23:18:13]

kormoc:

that said, if you checked iostat/top, you should be able to tell us what it's bound on

[23:18:23]

allesmueller:

neither

[23:18:32]

kormoc:

well, you should certainly use nuvexport over mythnuv2mkv IMHO

[23:18:33]

allesmueller:

that's my problem

[23:19:23]

allesmueller:

I do use mythnuv2mkv, but that´s actually only a wrapper for mythtranscode and mencoder

[23:19:40]

sphery:

I'd agree on using nuvexport

[23:19:45]

sphery:

much better supported

[23:19:57]

kormoc:

while it's running at the 3 fps, run `vmstat 30 4` and pastebin the results

[23:20:21]

allesmueller:

kormoc, ok

[23:23:59]

allesmueller:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/Gkp8yJb8

[23:25:52]

allesmueller:

1xtop, pstree, http://mythtv.pastebin.com/Y80gW0Xz

[23:26:20]

Crys_ (Crys_!~|Crys|@g228134062.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:26:20]

Crys_ (Crys_!~|Crys|@plone/tiran) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:26:20]

Crys_ (Crys_!~|Crys|@g228134062.adsl.alicedsl.de) has quit (Changing host)

[23:29:00]

kormoc:

you have me stumped

[23:29:02]

messerting (messerting!~messertin@39.79-161-65.customer.lyse.net) has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)

[23:29:36]

kormoc:

strace -ff -T mythnuv2mvk --blah -blah blah

[23:29:37]

Crys (Crys!~|Crys|@plone/tiran) has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)

[23:29:41]

kormoc:

that *might* give a hint

[23:30:02]

kormoc:

wait, that's wrong

[23:30:17]

allesmueller:

I think I should put that to a file

[23:30:18]

kormoc:

strace -ff -c mythnub2mkv --blah -blah blah

[23:30:28]

kormoc:

-c is a summary report

[23:30:53]

allesmueller:

ok, that makes sence

[23:31:08]

kormoc:

yeah, misremembered the arg, sorry bout that

[23:31:55]

kenni (kenni!~kenni@pfsense.dhcp.pop.k-net.dk) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

[23:33:51]

allesmueller:

n.p.

[23:34:37]

kormoc:

you don't have to allow it to run to completion, give it a minute or two and just kill it

[23:36:16]

PointyPumper (PointyPumper!~pintlezz@190.244.73.13) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)

[23:38:34]

PointyPumper (PointyPumper!~pintlezz@190.244.73.13) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:44:01]

JJ1 (JJ1!~jjensen@jeffjensen.dsl.visi.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:49:04]

allesmueller:

I´m still struggling :)

[23:50:54]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i actually meant.... 'ati graphics are fine... as long as youre not running linux'

[23:51:30]

** kormoc will never forgive ATI for the rage fury maxx **

[23:51:38]

kormoc:

they crushed the dreams of a gamer

[23:52:10]

sebrock (sebrock!~sebrock@h55eb1ec9.selukra.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[23:52:55]

Technophil (Technophil!~David@125-237-64-73.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:53:13]

sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, it works fine for all my purposes

[23:53:43]

Crys_:

Minesweeper doesn't need 2d nor 3d accl *scnr*

[23:53:50]

Crys_ is now known as Crys

[23:53:51]

kormoc:

Sure it does!

[23:54:01]

sphery:

I'd say, "ATI/AMD graphics are fine...as long as you're not using stupid things, like Compiz."

[23:54:23]

Crys:

Or you hardware is older than two, three years ...

[23:54:32]

kormoc:

if I don't blow up in glorious 3d accelerated meat chunks when I hit a mine in minesweeper, it's no good

[23:54:48]

kormoc:

even today's hardware with ATI + compiz can take a box to it's knees

[23:55:06]

GrahamIRC (GrahamIRC!~GrahamIRC@93-97-162-128.zone5.bethere.co.uk) has quit (Quit: Leaving.)

[23:55:18]

sphery:

as long as word war vi works, you're golden

[23:55:18]

andreax1 (andreax1!~andreaz@p57B953CD.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:55:21]

sphery:

http://wordwarvi.sourceforge.net/

[23:56:20]

Crys:

My T60P laptop is pretty recent but the Mobility FireGL isn't supported by the closed source drivers anymore. ATI dropped support for the chip over an year ago.

[23:56:43]

andreax (andreax!~andreaz@p57B9544B.dip.t-dialin.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

[23:56:46]

wagnerrp:

allesmueller: nuvexport only uses mythtranscode to extract streams from recordings, instead of relying on some external tool being capable of handling nuppelvideo

[23:56:54]

wagnerrp:

it uses mencoder or ffmpeg to actually transcode

[23:57:00]

kenni (kenni!~kenni@pfsense.dhcp.pop.k-net.dk) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:57:00]

sphery:

yeah, they drop support very quickly--about the time the FOSS driver first starts to become usable

[23:57:06]

sphery:

(not useful, usable)

[23:57:23]

wagnerrp:

and as of very recently, uses mythffmpeg, built off the internal libav* libraries

[23:58:20]

allesmueller:

wagnerrp, Mythnuv2mkv does the same, use mythtranscode to extract streams and reassemble with mencoder

[23:58:46]

allesmueller:

I think tomorrow I´ll give nuvexport a try again

[23:59:30]

wagnerrp:

i was reading the backlog and it seemed to say you were using mythnuv2mkv over nuvexport because nuvexport used mythtranscode

MythLogBot@irc.freenode.net :: #mythtv-users

Current users (181):