Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, December 13th, 2010, 00:06 UTC

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sphery:

wagnerrp: thanks for that post--looks good

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sphery:

I'll have to finish that documentation I planned to do one of these days

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sphery:

but at least, now, they have a good description of the basic premise--don't feel you have to "reuse" existing cut markers, just add new ones and use the markers imported from the flag list as a guide

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sphery:

(and that SELECT is your friend, too)

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wagnerrp:

basically

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wagnerrp:

i just use those as easy jump points to where the cuts are approximately

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sphery:

yep, me too

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Beirdo:

looks like sox is multi-cpu capable :)

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sphery:

Beirdo: white or red ones?

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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Beirdo:

redoing nuvexport to use mythffmpeg

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wagnerrp:

red sox? what a dirty copy...

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wagnerrp:

there can only be one red baseball teem

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Beirdo:

found that ffmpeg is lame about handling 6-channel PCM

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wagnerrp:

team

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sphery:

wagnerrp: also good description on the multi-pass thing

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Beirdo:

so, if I'm being handed 6-channel audio, I use sox to down-mix to stereo, then feed to ffmpeg

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sphery:

almost all docs out there tend to gloss over the real purpose of multi-pass and mislead on what it does for you

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Beirdo:

seems to work well, but sox uses 632% CPU :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: there is a bit more too it than that, and with multipass you can do things like variable quantizer to keep the bitrate more consistent for streaming

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wagnerrp:

but yeah, most people dont understand what it is actually doing

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sphery:

interesting

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sphery:

but for our purposes...

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wagnerrp:

and they probably dont know that you can run a second pass months or years after the first

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wagnerrp:

its not like the stats file gets invalidated

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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sphery:

but I"m sure his user script doesn't handle pre-existing stats files :)

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Beirdo:

idiots with their "bump" on mailing lists

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Beirdo:

I'll bump YOU

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

better than a bump on a ticket

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sphery:

(where a legitimate reminder about a ticket sent to the mailing list can be ok--just *bump* on a ticket is annoying)

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Beirdo:

not much difference

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Beirdo:

and a bump from a mailing list post from *yesterday* is retarded

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Beirdo:

if you want to "bump" something, then at least have the decency to write a few sentences asking for some update or something

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Beirdo:

if you just do *bump*, I will be ignoring the rest of your posts on the matter

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Beirdo:

even mailing lists aren't for instant gratification :)

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Beirdo:

yes, I'm a crochety old fart today

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Beirdo:

so... 14fps making a DVD-compatible mpg from 1080i H.264 (reencoding audio to MP3)

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Beirdo:

not too bad, I guess

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Beirdo:

I'd like to make it so nuvexport can output DVD with AC3, but that's later. For now, I just want all the exporters to work, then I can change it around

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wagnerrp:

seems slow, you should be able to do well over real time on that processor

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Beirdo:

yeah, I know

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Beirdo:

sox is using 6.5 cores, mythtranscode 1 core. ffmpeg 0.5 cores.

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Beirdo:

leaves 1 for everything else (counting HT as a core as Linux does)

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Beirdo:

not sure how remix can possibly use THAT much CPU

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Beirdo:

might be missing an argument telling it not to be stupid :)

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Beirdo:

works great, but not sure why it's so hoggy doing it.

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sphery:

heh, I guess that's true

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Beirdo:

not quite ready to commit yet

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sphery:

so this export is using mythffmpeg

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sphery:

or whatever it's called

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Beirdo:

yes

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sphery:

nice

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

this was the whole point of doing it this way

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Beirdo:

but I need to get all the exporters behaving well

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Beirdo:

and people HAVE been whining about AC3-sourced audio crapping out nuvexport

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Beirdo:

and I see why

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Beirdo:

ffmpeg is retarded and says "I don't know how to mix 6-channel to 2-channel) from PCM

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Beirdo:

if it's fed to it as AC3, sure no problem

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Beirdo:

THWACK

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Beirdo:

at least give me the OPTION to tell you how to do it

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

sox -t raw -s -2 -c 6 -r 48000 /tmp/fifodir_24077/audout -t raw -s -2 -c 2 -r 48000 /tmp/fifodir_24077/audout2 remix -m 1,4v0.5,2v0.7 3,5v0.5,2v0.7

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Beirdo:

so that's what I gotta do

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Beirdo:

I think maybe the -t raw may be an issue, but I'm not sure.

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Beirdo:

simple downmix, really

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Beirdo:

left = front left + 0.5 * rear left + 0.7 * center

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Beirdo:

right = front right + 0.5 * rear right + 0.7 * center

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Beirdo:

now, why that takes up SO much CPU...

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wagnerrp:

adding audio tracks is hard work

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Beirdo:

it's taking 6-channel 16bit signed PCM on input from a pipe

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Beirdo:

and outputting 2-channel 16bit signed PCM on another

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Beirdo:

one would think that would be pretty simple

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

so I'm sure that it's something dumb I've done in the setup

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

it seems I can specify --single-threaded

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Beirdo:

hehe, I could add companding too if I wanted to be a dork

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wagnerrp:

good job Beirdo, look what you did now

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Beirdo:

oO?

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wagnerrp:

'mailing list protocol'

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Beirdo:

oh. hehe

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Beirdo:

eta 1m

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Beirdo:

come on, DVD export :)

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Beirdo:

single-threaded... uses 1% CPU

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Beirdo:

I think I like that better

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Beirdo:

I bet their threading support needs work

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Beirdo:

getting 24.5fps -> divx

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Beirdo:

slicify Pass the images of input video on to next video filter as multiple slices.

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you think that might make ffmpeg encode faster?

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wagnerrp:

i suppose, sounds like how h264 slicing works

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

I could try adding that to my filter chain :)

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wagnerrp:

or, it could turn your video into a 3am infomercial

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Beirdo:

-vf crop=28:16:1864:1056,scale=624:352,pixelaspect=1

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

it slicifies, it dicifies

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Beirdo:

well, there is that :)

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wagnerrp:

its the multithreaded encoder!

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Beirdo:

I'm running with 8 threads

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Beirdo:

and it's using only 40% CPU

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Beirdo:

although I think mythtranscode is the limiting factor

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Beirdo:

at 100% CPU

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Beirdo:

i.e. one thread, flat out

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Beirdo:

with a bit of rework, that might be able to be alleviated

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Beirdo:

make video decode thread, audio decode thread

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Beirdo:

the video one will likely ever only be single-threaded when dealing with H.264 from the HDPVR, but no reason the audio decode *can't* be done in parallel

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Beirdo:

other than complexity of code, of course

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Beirdo:

also, if we could move part of the scaling into the decoding...

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Beirdo:

I mean, what's the point of shuffling around 1920x1080 frames if you are only using 624x352 in the end

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Beirdo:

that's a fair amount of extra data to move

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wagnerrp:

624x352?

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wagnerrp:

where'd you come up with that one?

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Beirdo:

yeah, I'm exporting to a divx

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Beirdo:

it has to be mults of 16, IIRC

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wagnerrp:

why not something like... 720x480

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Beirdo:

and it's wide screen

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Beirdo:

because the default is smaller for some reason?

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Beirdo:

I didn't make the default size :)

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wagnerrp:

sounds like its smaller to make it better quality to fit on a CD

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Beirdo:

anyways, you get my point... if we resize at decoding time, it could make for less CPU load

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Beirdo:

possibly

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Beirdo:

people do silly things when archiving

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Beirdo:

I wish ffmpeg had an autocrop filter already

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Beirdo:

seems they are adding one.

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Beirdo:

be nice to take upconverted SD, tear the side bars off... before resizing to archive

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Beirdo:

heh, I should find a 480i H.264 to source from

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Beirdo:

see how much faster it can decode

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Beirdo:

or 480i MPEG2, even better

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Beirdo:

at this point, mythtranscode is definitely my limiting factor

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[R]:

can't you feed 480i to your hdpvr?

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Beirdo:

sure, I am sure I have some around

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Beirdo:

but I'm doing a set of export tests with the same file as source for all

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Beirdo:

1080i H.264 with AC3 audio

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

which is pretty much worst case

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Beirdo:

decoding it is going < realtime for mythtranscode

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Beirdo:

actually, the A-Team currently playing on my TV would give me a nice "best case" comparison

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Beirdo:

480i MPEG2 from TA

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Beirdo:

OTA rather

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rpgdude:

hey i am unable to start mythbackend

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rpgdude:

the log says it cannot connect to the db

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rpgdude:

but im pretty sure the user/pass are correct

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rpgdude:

i can login to mysql manually using the credentials

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wagnerrp:

from that host?

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rpgdude:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

are you starting up the backend manually, or through an init script?

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rpgdude:

init script

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wagnerrp:

does the init script do something like change $HOME or $MYTHCONFDIR?

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rpgdude:

let me check

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rpgdude:

no i dont think it does

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rpgdude:

im using the init script from the debian package

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rpgdude:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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rpgdude:

but if i do $ mysql -u mythtv -h localhost -p

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rpgdude:

it logs in

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rpgdude:

so my guess is that mythbackend is using the wrong password

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rpgdude:

i configure this password using mythtv-setup right?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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[R]:

wagnerrp: got my harmony working spot on

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rpgdude:

ok i think i see the problem

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rpgdude:

i needed to run mythtv-setup using the mythtv user

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rpgdude:

also it appears the mythtv needs a capture card defined to startup

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Beirdo:

I'm sure that's all in the documentation

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rpgdude:

it shouldnt require one though

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wagnerrp:

why shouldnt it?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is a dvr

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wagnerrp:

dvrs need capture cards to record

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rpgdude:

yeah but im using it as upnp mediaserver

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** Beirdo stifles the mocking **

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Beirdo:

why?

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rpgdude:

using the mythvideo plugin

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rpgdude:

because it works great for me

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Beirdo:

there are UPnP media servers out there

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo doesnt have a upnp mediaserver

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rpgdude:

yeah it does

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[R]:

lol

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rpgdude:

ive been using it for over a year

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Beirdo:

if that's all you need, mythtv's not nearly the best fit

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wagnerrp:

the backend has a upnp mediaserver, that pulls a /single/ database setting that hasnt been used by mythvideo since 0.21

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Beirdo:

hehe, it will be fixed soon enough :)

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rpgdude:

so what do you guys recommend?

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wagnerrp:

do you ever intend to run a real frontend, or record tv?

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rpgdude:

maybe record tv, im not sure if i can though, my cable company requires a digital box

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wagnerrp:

tons of people record off cable boxes

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rpgdude:

oh yeah

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wagnerrp:

you can capture directly over firewire

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rpgdude:

oh yeah

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wagnerrp:

you can capture using an analog input card or box

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rpgdude:

i have a pchdtv card

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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rpgdude:

5500 i think

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wagnerrp:

you dont want to use a pchdtv card to record off a cable box

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wagnerrp:

but you can plug it into the cable directly, and get at least the local channels

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rpgdude:

right, i prolly should setup the firewire hookup

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rpgdude:

but i can only do this if the box has an output right

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wagnerrp:

as indicated on that page, you may receive everything, you may receive basic cable, you may receive nothing over firewire

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wagnerrp:

it all depends on your provider

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wagnerrp:

and if your cable box doesnt have a firewire port, you cant very well connect to it using that interface

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rpgdude:

my digital box doesnt have firewire but it does have analog

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rpgdude:

ok so now it starts up

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rpgdude:

but now its not listing my videos

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rpgdude:

it says no files found

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rpgdude:

but there are tons of files in the directory i pointed it to

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wagnerrp:

how did you point to it?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: whats the min mysql version to use the mythtv python bindings?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: dont have one

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[R]:

would 4.1 work?

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wagnerrp:

if it works for mythtv, it should work for the bindings

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[R]:

where is the min versions for myth?

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

dont know there is one

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wagnerrp:

any reason you cant use 5.1?

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[R]:

well the python mysql bindings i have are linked aginast 4.1

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rpgdude:

all my videos are in /var/stuff/video

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[R]:

i could try to use it with 5.1... if all else fials

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[R]:

or compile it myself

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[R]:

wagnerrp: readme says 5.0 is required

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wagnerrp:

rpgdude: you had to have told mythtv where the videos were in one of two places

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wagnerrp:

which one did you use?

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rpgdude:

video settings

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wagnerrp:

and you did this by running mythfrontend on the same machine as your backend?

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rpgdude:

yes

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wagnerrp:

have you restarted the backend, or otherwise triggered a rescan?

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rpgdude:

directories that hold videos: /var/stuff/video

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rpgdude:

i will try restarting the backend

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rpgdude:

no difference

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wagnerrp:

there should be comment in the backend log about it scanning upnp

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[R]:

wagnerrp: looks like mythfs is working from my embedded box... sweet

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wagnerrp:

there are still some bugs ive yet to work out with it

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wagnerrp:

it wont reconnect when the backend restarts

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wagnerrp:

there are times it will simply disconnect on its own (and not reconnect)

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[R]:

hrm

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wagnerrp:

and it has a tendency to fill up your html thread pool

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rpgdude:

i dont see anything in the log

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[R]:

is it worse or better tahn the 0.23 version? cuz i thought the 23 version was good

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wagnerrp:

which can cause problems with frontends and slave backends

[03:21:12]

wagnerrp:

the one in 0.24 works better, most of the time

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wagnerrp:

you just cant run it for long durations

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wagnerrp:

but its been good enough for a couple shows a night for me

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[R]:

good

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wagnerrp:

so i havent had the motivation to figure out whats going wrong with it

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[R]:

now i just need to set some scripts to auto set it up

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wagnerrp:

most of it may be resolved automatically when the threadpool stuff gets fixed

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wagnerrp:

i honestly dont know why the two are related

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wagnerrp:

since it shouldn't be doing anything that accesses the http server

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[R]:

wagnerrp: does it do cleanup on umount. will bad things happen if i don't unmount?

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rpgdude:

it looks like mythvideo is broken

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wagnerrp:

[R]: the fuse libraries should do whatever cleanup is necessary

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wagnerrp:

rpgdude: as i explained, mythvideo has exactly nothing to do with the upnp server

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wagnerrp:

and also as explained, the upnp server is in some significant need of work and updating

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[R]:

wagnerrp: yes... but what if i doesnt unmount...

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[R]:

i don't*

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wagnerrp:

then you force it to

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wagnerrp:

oh, if you dont?

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wagnerrp:

nothing bad

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[R]:

but will sockets stay open?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, maybe

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[R]:

but if i'm not playing somethnig, it should be one of those monitor sockets taht wont prevent shutdown right?

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wagnerrp:

mmm... dont remember off hand, i would have to check

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[R]:

ok, well i'll play with it

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rpgdude:

yeah but shouldnt it at least show the videos in the directory i told it about

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wagnerrp:

rpgdude: did you check the backend logs to see if it actually claimed to find any videos in that directory?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: looks like it just takes the defaults, which would be Monitor

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rpgdude:

the log didnt say anything about mythvideo

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biffhero:

0.24 has cool new thumbnail generation. is the command I want "mythcommflag —all —rebuild" ?

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wagnerrp:

rpgdude: thats because mythbackend has nothing to do with mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

search for 'upnp'

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wagnerrp:

mythcommflag does not do thumbnail generatil

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wagnerrp:

generation

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wagnerrp:

mythpreviewgen (or something like that) does

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biffhero:

k.

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wagnerrp:

and its nothing 'cool' and 'new'

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wagnerrp:

its just the same exact functionality that used to be performed by the backend

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rpgdude:

well, it looks like the upnp is not working in the new release

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wagnerrp:

but broken out into a named executable, so people arent always so needlessly concerned about multiple seized up instances of the backend running

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rpgdude:

just like you said

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[R]:

oh man

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[R]:

this family guy is hilarious

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wagnerrp:

rpgdude: could you pastebin your backend logs?

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rpgdude:

sure

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biffhero:

I thought it did something where it didn't always go in 64 seconds, but tried to figure out the program somehow.

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kormoc:

biffhero, it's always done that

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biffhero:

ok, cool. thanks

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kormoc:

it uses the commflag info or bookmark info

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kormoc:

*always for the past bit of known history

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biffhero:

yeah, the bookmark info is pretty cool, being able to come back into a half-watched show, and seeing where you were at.

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rpgdude:

wait

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rpgdude:

in the log it says, loopback address specified, disabling upnp

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wagnerrp:

erm, yeah... that would do it

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wagnerrp:

you need to specify an ip address to listen to in mythtv-setup

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rpgdude:

ah

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rpgdude:

i need to specify ip for local backend and master?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv can have multiple backends

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wagnerrp:

each backend needs to be told what address to listen to

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wagnerrp:

and the master backend address denotes which machine should play the role of master

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kormoc:

you can use the loopback, but you can't use UPnP over loopback and thus need to configure up a valid config.xml for your frontend

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: he doesnt want to use the frontend... or the backend for that matter

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wagnerrp:

hes only using the upnp server for mythvideo content

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** kormoc blinks **

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rpgdude:

yeah

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kormoc:

why not just use a upnp media server?

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wagnerrp:

thats what we said

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rpgdude:

upnp works, but it still doesnt show my videos

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kormoc:

it's not going to until you setup the videos in the frontend

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rpgdude:

if you guys can suggest a upnp server

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rpgdude:

right

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rpgdude:

i told it the right path

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kormoc:

http://mediatomb.cc/

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kormoc:

you need to scan via the frontend

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kormoc:

and re-scan via the frontend on any media changes

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iamlindoro:

upnp does its own scan

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wagnerrp:

no, mythvideo and the upnp server are completely independent for exactly that reason

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Beirdo:

O.M.G.

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wagnerrp:

the /only/ thing it shares is the old VideoStartupDir setting

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kormoc:

ahh, my mistake

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Beirdo:

100% CPU to mythtranscode... 3% to make the MP3 file from the audio

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: yeah, it still does for now :) I can't wait until we can forgo that

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Beirdo:

I think I may add something to mythtranscode.

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rpgdude:

when i scan via the frontend, it finds nothing

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Beirdo:

--fifo-video-only and --fifo-audio-only

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kormoc:

rpgdude, I'd really just use mediatomb if I was you. It's designed specifically for this problem space

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rpgdude:

well, im going to if i cant get mythvideo working

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rpgdude:

i just dont see why it doesnt find anything

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wagnerrp:

its not mythvideo that is broken

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rpgdude:

there are plenty of files in that directory

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wagnerrp:

now that you fixed the backend, did you look at the backend log to see if it is finding anything in the scan?

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rpgdude:

2010-12–12 22:35:06.252 UPnpMedia: BuildMediaMap VIDEO scan starting in :/var/stuff/video:

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rpgdude:

2010-12–12 22:35:17.341 UPnpMedia: BuildMediaMap Done. Found 11723 objects

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rpgdude:

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rpgdude:

awesome

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wagnerrp:

so then you should find something

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wagnerrp:

it may be your client just needs to refresh

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wagnerrp:

try power cycling it

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rpgdude:

ok

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Beirdo:

OMG

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Beirdo:

default output of the ASF exporter... is a tiny little postage-stamp size video

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rpgdude:

and no difference

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Beirdo:

and it looks like crrrrrap

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rpgdude:

still says no files found

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Beirdo:

under what?

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wagnerrp:

what client?

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rpgdude:

mythfrontend

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rpgdude:

browse videos

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wagnerrp:

no... no no no no no...

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo and the upnp server have NOTHING to do with each other

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rpgdude:

ok

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wagnerrp:

the ONLY thing they share is that one single setting of what folder to view

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Beirdo:

they currently just happen to be able to serve the same data if pointed at the same files

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wagnerrp:

they have their own lists of media contained within that folder

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rpgdude:

oh ok

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rpgdude:

awesome

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rpgdude:

it looks like my upnp client is showing everything now

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rpgdude:

thanks guys

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Beirdo:

have fun ;)

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rpgdude:

so what do i need to do extra to get the videos to show up in mythvideo?

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wagnerrp:

go into the backend, storage group setup, add the folder to the Videos storage group

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wagnerrp:

you probably want to define folders for the various artwork groups too

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rpgdude:

alright let me give it a try

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rpgdude:

also, it looks like gnome is implementing a upnp software package called rygel

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** wagnerrp wonders if they are going to start with the 7th version **

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kormoc:

why bother when they can keep reinventing the wheel halfarsed

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wagnerrp:

huh, seems theyve actually used that system repeatedly, i only remember 'rigel 7'

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rpgdude:

ive found most gnome applications to be very good

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kormoc:

there's a OpenSource, GPL solution already made that has had thousands of hours of work on supporting a huge number of hardware devices that all work slightly differently and just needs a GUI config tool, and works as a gnome applet already. But why write a gui config tool when you can throw out all that code intelligence and start over!

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kormoc:

</rant>

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wagnerrp:

yeah, mediatomb would be fantastic... if they just had a gui for the average user

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wagnerrp:

but hey, its more fun to reinvent from scratch

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rpgdude:

of course haha

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rpgdude:

well, i definitely check them both out

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rpgdude:

also, it looks like mediatomb supports mediaserver 1.0

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rpgdude:

rygel supports 2.0

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rpgdude:

flamebait ;)

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kormoc:

media server v2 clients can understand v1 and v2, media server v1 clients can only understand media server v1

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kormoc:

so they support less clients! Woo! What a feature!

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wagnerrp:

written completely in... vala?

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kormoc:

My UPnP server is a whole 0 bytes and supports 0 clients! It must be the ultimate media server! So lightweight!

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wagnerrp:

apparently his is written in an experimental programming language

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rpgdude:

rygel has better support than mediatomb

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wagnerrp:

not a chance

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rpgdude:

according to what i read

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rpgdude:

wtf

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kormoc:

that's certainly not true at all

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wagnerrp:

its written in a programming language that has only existed for 3 months

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rpgdude:

http://live.gnome.org/Rygel

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rpgdude:

it says it right there

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kormoc:

where?

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rpgdude:

APIs to ease the implementation of UPnP AV devices:

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rpgdude:

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rpgdude:

*

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rpgdude:

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rpgdude:

MediaServer v 2.0 specification

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wagnerrp:

please dont do that

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wagnerrp:

2-line paste maximum

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kormoc:

"Our aim *will* be to make Rygel (as MediaServer) 100% DLNA-compliant and that *should* help a lot in assuring basic IOP with many UPnP/DLNA hardware available in the market."

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rpgdude:

sry

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kormoc:

please read the words inbetween the *'s

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wagnerrp:

just being a upnp server does not mean you universally support by all upnp clients

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kormoc:

and keep in mind, the majoirty of clients out there claim to be UPnP/DLSA compatible and are not, so if your server is only UPnP/DLSA compatible, they wont' work

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wagnerrp:

every client has its own quirks

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rpgdude:

right

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wagnerrp:

and some go and intentionally break the (rather murky) standard to implement their own special feature

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rpgdude:

well, if rygel works with my clients, then i get the 2.0 stuff

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wagnerrp:

s/some/most/

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kormoc:

rpgdude, Rygel is not fully UPnP/DLNA compliant right now, so no, your cliams that it supports more them mediatomb are delusional

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wagnerrp:

if you look through the mythtv upnp code, youll find all sorts of bits and exceptions to add special support for various individual players

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rpgdude:

i will try both and check my mileage

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rpgdude:

its not my claim, its rygel's claim

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wagnerrp:

if you look through the mediatomb wiki, youll find hundreds of config files for all the special little behaviors of individual clients

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kormoc:

rpgdude, I don't see that claim anywhere

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rpgdude:

the claim about supporting mediaserver 2.0 spec?

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kormoc:

rpgdude, and mediatomb will transcode files to work on devices if they don't have native support to play that format. Rygel doesn't

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rpgdude:

oh thats nice

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kormoc:

rpgdude, how does mediaserver 2.0 spec translate to "<rpgdude> rygel has better support than mediatomb"?

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rpgdude:

i use ps3 as upnp client

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rpgdude:

it doesnt support all formats

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rpgdude:

i was responding to this comment

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kormoc:

As I said, mediaserver 2.0 clients support mediaserver v1 speak, media server v1 clients can't talk mediaserver 2

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kormoc:

so by supporting mediaserver v2 only, you lose out on a large number of clients

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rpgdude:

<kormoc> media server v2 clients can understand v1 and v2, media server v1

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rpgdude:

clients can only understand media server v1

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rpgdude:

what a feature!

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kormoc:

yes

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rpgdude:

oh i see

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rpgdude:

rygel doesnt support 1.0

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kormoc:

correct

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rpgdude:

ah i gotcha

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rpgdude:

well, im not an expert on this stuff

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rpgdude:

you guys know all the details

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rpgdude:

here i am trying to use mythtv as a upnp server

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wagnerrp:

and were just saying that if you arent going to record, mythtv is really a bit overly complex and overfeatured for your purposes

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rpgdude:

yeah

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rpgdude:

im definitely gonna install mediatomb when i have some time

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rpgdude:

setting up mythtv took forever

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rpgdude:

its already 11 pm

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biffhero:

rpgdude: I took the hint from this channel. "apt-get install mediatomb" on my server, and "sudo port -v install mediatomb" on laptop.

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wagnerrp:

not sure why you would run mediatomb on your laptop

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biffhero:

the client?

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wagnerrp:

didnt think they made a client

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kormoc:

they don't

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biffhero:

ok. so now I have it on my mac. hehl.

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simcop2387:

quick sanity question before i keep going down this road, anyone else all the sudden have issues with the usb port on the back of direct tv recievers? (i'm fairly certain it's related to a system upgrade here but figured i'd do a sanity check because it LOOKS like it should work to me...)

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wagnerrp:

simcop2387: using them for direct control instead of an IR blaster?

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simcop2387:

yea

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simcop2387:

seems to have stopped working today, upgrade was yesterday

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simcop2387:

it worked immediately after the upgrade but not now... hrm

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simcop2387:

well time to get the palm pilot out

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simcop2387:

best serial terminal ever

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Beirdo:

encoder 'aac' is experimental and might produce bad results.

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Beirdo:

Add '-strict experimental' if you want to use it.

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Beirdo:

pffft

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simcop2387:

well as near as i can tell the computer's sending the right stuff out :/ great....

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Beirdo:

well, MP3 output certainly works (as expected)

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Beirdo:

testing PSP export now

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rpgdude:

what do you guys think of gmediaserver?

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rpgdude:

its part of the gnu system

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[R]:

i think it has nothing to do with myth

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rpgdude:

yeah it doesnt

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rpgdude:

was related to a convo like 30 min ago

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[R]:

rofl

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Beirdo:

those buggers

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Beirdo:

amazon sucks me in with a $99.99 on a Panasonic BluRay... which they can't supply now

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Beirdo:

blah

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wagnerrp:

whats mythffplay for?

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Beirdo:

elmojo wanted it for easier testing/comparison with mythavtest

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wagnerrp:

additional debugging against mythavtest?

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wagnerrp:

ah

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Beirdo:

seems reasonable to me

[06:11:09]

Beirdo:

and although it builds by default, --disable-ffplay will still get it :)

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wagnerrp:

well im putting mythmusic support into the network control currently

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** Beirdo shudders **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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Beirdo:

support of the old icky mythmusic? :)

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Beirdo:

I'm sure it will get a refresh some time :)

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wagnerrp:

d51fd096be54a809d053811d60da4a2655390f2a

[06:12:33]

wagnerrp:

new hotness

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wagnerrp:

not old and busted

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Beirdo:

ooooh

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Beirdo:

I missed tht one.

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Beirdo:

not really mythmusic as we know it now, though

[06:14:00]

Beirdo:

nice. it's getting some love.

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wagnerrp:

its been getting plenty of love, just no commits

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

love in private...

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Beirdo:

how appropriate

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[R]:

this episode of ds9 freaks me out

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[R]:

its the one where they went back in time, and were on the enterprise

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wagnerrp:

which one

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[R]:

with the tribbles

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kormoc:

Creepier still, go watch the original episode. They're in there too!

[06:21:16]

** kormoc cues the twilight zone music **

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[R]:

haha

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wagnerrp:

only in the re-re-re-release ultimate directors cut of TOS

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[R]:

"your flap's open"

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[R]:

haha

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wagnerrp:

where you find out kirk is really gay, and thats why he.. erm... slept with all the alien women

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

so i have these .mp4 files

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[R]:

played fine in 0.23... 0.24 chokes on them

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[R]:

but muxing them into mkv seems to "fix" it

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Beirdo:

and?

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[R]:

why do they choke in the first place?

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Beirdo:

you're the one with the files :)

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[R]:

lol

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kormoc:

bit at offset 27*PI^E/I should be a 0, not a 1

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Beirdo:

we have nowhere near enough information to give you any answer

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[R]:

2010-12–12 22:57:15.866 AFD Error: Could not find decoder for codec (Unknown Codec ID), ignoring.

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[R]:

does that mean anything?

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Beirdo:

of course it does

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kormoc:

here's a semi-complete formula for you to solve, http://bit.ly/gCHhaH

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Beirdo:

what type of audio?

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[R]:

um, i think its ac3

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[R]:

lemme look

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[R]:

Beirdo: yeah, ac3

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[R]:

and the video is avc

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[R]:

h264

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Beirdo:

well, sounds like it didn't like the ac3 somehow. I dunno

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[R]:

well i wrote a one liner to mux into the mkv

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[R]:

kormoc: if they started with 1 tribble... how did they get so many?

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kormoc:

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Tribble

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[R]:

born pregnant

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[R]:

haha

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wagnerrp:

WTF is my laptop suddenly so unstable

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wagnerrp:

its crashed three times now in the past half an hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhour

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[R]:

stuck key too?

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[R]:

:P

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wagnerrp:

something like that

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** Beirdo retests the PSP exporter **

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Beirdo:

oh wow, it actually makes ffmpeg work for a living

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Beirdo:

93% CPU

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[R]:

it works hard for its money

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[R]:

so hard for its money

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Beirdo:

ooooh

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Beirdo:

next ffmpeg resync is gonna be nice for nuvexport :)

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Beirdo:

new cropdetect filter :)

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Beirdo:

and yadif

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Beirdo:

curse you ffmpeg :)

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Beirdo:

I'll get this right soon enough

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Beirdo:

the video works, the thumbnail... well, not quite

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[R]:

i need a way to be able to bring up the exit/shutdown/reboot menu

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[R]:

AND have a key that quits

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[R]:

can myth do that?

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Beirdo:

got it. Finally

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Beirdo:

one more exporter to go

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Beirdo:

ffmpeg had critical errors:

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Beirdo:

Unknown encoder 'h264'

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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Beirdo:

oh wonderful.

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Beirdo:

ubuntu users are gonna be miffed :)

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Beirdo:

need libx264-dev... >= 0.98. 10.04.1 has 0.85, and you need to use the one from 10.10

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Beirdo:

at least it forklifted in well

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high-rez:

adantei have 20/896

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high-rez:

erps

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adante:

high-rez: hmm?

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high-rez:

exactly

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high-rez:

too mas cerveza

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Beirdo:

heehh

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Beirdo:

"make 'em by hand, break 'em by hand".. Mr. T ++

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Beirdo:

aw screw OFF, ffmpeg :)

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Beirdo:

Invalid value '+bpyramid+wpred+mixed_refs+8x8dct' for option 'flags2'

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Beirdo:

stop changing crap!

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Beirdo:

they changes 8x8dct to dct8x8, it seems

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Beirdo:

OK, there we go.

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wagnerrp:

hahaha... 'my recordedseek table is huge is it supposed to be'

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: good call locking it too

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doc_dinggy:

hey, im stuck im trying to install lirc for mythtv, for the life of me i cant manage to get /dev/lirc0 to appear, i have been googleing and tinkering now for over a week still to no sucess

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doc_dinggy:

uname -r reveals 2.6.32.26–175.fc12.i686

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doc_dinggy:

cat /etc/modprobe.d/lirc.conf reveals #lirc_module_configuration

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doc_dinggy:

alias char-major-61 lirc_mceusb

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doc_dinggy:

lsmod |grep lirc

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doc_dinggy:

lirc_mceusb 16740 0

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doc_dinggy:

lirc_dev 12303 1 lirc_mceusb

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doc_dinggy:

and from lsusb this is the receaver Bus 004 Device 002: ID 147a:e03e Formosa Industrial Computing, Inc.

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doc_dinggy:

any insight is appriceated

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doc_dinggy:

and if im in the wrong chan please let me know

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wagnerrp:

technically, youre in the wrong channel

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wagnerrp:

the one youre looking for is #lirc

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doc_dinggy:

whops, sorry

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doc_dinggy:

ducked over there, i can honestly say this room is a lot more populated, but i have been at it for a week now, im shore i can wait for a reply

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats why i said 'technically'

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doc_dinggy:

fair enough, well i figured i have throw the same information into both rooms, hopefully ill get an answer somewhere :)

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gilesw:

heya all

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gilesw:

I'm running mythtv-backend 0.23.1+fixes26437–0ubuntu1

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gilesw:

i was wanting to get the mythweb frontend to only display favourite channels

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gilesw:

but can't see a way of setting channels as favourites

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gilesw:

in the mythweb frontend

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gilesw:

don't have a favourites table in the db either

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staylo:

gilesw: Search for 'mythtv keys' or similar, it's in there somewhere. IIRC / navigates between favourites and ? marks a channel as a favourite

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gilesw:

k so it's a frontend change and that will create the table

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staylo:

No idea unfortunately, not tested

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gilesw:

ah there isn't a favourites table anymore

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justinh1:

there was never a favourites channel AFAIK

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justinh1:

er table

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justinh1:

there's a 'favorite' column in the channel table though

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gilesw:

hrm i still can't see an option in mythweb to only list favourites

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gilesw:

maybe i need to create some first and then the option will appear

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wagnerrp:

no, dont go creating or deleting tables on a whim

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wagnerrp:

as mentioned, there is a column in an existing table used for favorite channels

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wagnerrp:

use one of the channel editors to mark favorites

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wagnerrp:

theres three of them, pick one

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justinh1:

gah. android apps suck

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justinh1:

and is it too much to ask for a travel planner app which can tell you how to reach a destination rather than detecting where you are & telling you where you *could* go from there? pfft

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justinh1:

I mean I'd use google transit – if it worked over here

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wagnerrp:

oh greg oliver...

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justinh1:

ooo nice & user friendly. git revisions are nice long hex strings

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but you can shorten it as far as you want, so long as it remains unique

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wagnerrp:

8 characters or so is generally sufficient

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justinh1:

still though. hex! :-(

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justinh1:

so far I've not seen anybody sitting on the fence about git. folk seem to either love it or hate it

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doc_dinggy:

ok im back still stuck with lirc anyone who can walk me thorugh some basic diag stuff would be greatly appriceated

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high-rez:

doc: Run irw – and click buttons on the remote. If you see the button output from irw, then its probably setting up myth's lircrc. If not its probably lircd.conf

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wagnerrp:

he has no dev nodes, so lirc is not working at all yet

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tank-man:

doc_dinggy, did you install some kernel module for lirc?

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doc_dinggy:

irw outputs nothing, and no i dont think i did install the kernel module

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doc_dinggy:

how would i go about that?

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tank-man:

first, find out the kernel module you need and then type "modprobe the_module"

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doc_dinggy:

oh yes that i have done, modprobe lirc_mceusb

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tank-man:

and you got the /dev/lirc or something similar?

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doc_dinggy:

/dev/lircd and /dev/lircd1

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wagnerrp:

then run lircd through your init scripts, pull one of the base mceusb lircrc files from the wiki

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wagnerrp:

and you should be done

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wagnerrp:

actually, devices should be lirc0, lirc1, lirc2, ...

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wagnerrp:

the multiplexing daemon should be lircd

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doc_dinggy:

thats what i thought :S

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wagnerrp:

when you ran modprobe, did you see a bunch of stuff spit out in dmesg?

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doc_dinggy:

nope

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doc_dinggy:

no output

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wagnerrp:

did you just try modprobe now and check?

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wagnerrp:

if you already have a module loaded, it wont try to load a second time

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wagnerrp:

you have to rmmod and then modprobe

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doc_dinggy:

[root@localhost dev]# modprobe lirc_mceusb

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doc_dinggy:

[root@localhost dev]#

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doc_dinggy:

[root@localhost dev]# lsmod |grep lirc

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doc_dinggy:

lirc_mceusb 16740 0

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doc_dinggy:

lirc_dev 12303 1 lirc_mceusb

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wagnerrp:

dmesg, its a command

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wagnerrp:

when you load a module, it will log what it does in the kernel logs, dmesg

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doc_dinggy:

lirc_mceusb: Windows Media Center Edition USB IR Transceiver driver for LIRC 1.90

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doc_dinggy:

lirc_mceusb: Daniel Melander <lirc@rajidae.se >, Martin Blatter <martin_a_blatter@yahoo.com >, Dan Conti <dconti@acm.wwu.edu >

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doc_dinggy:

usbcore: registered new interface driver lirc_mceusb

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doc_dinggy:

where the enterys revealed from dmesg

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wagnerrp:

it will say if it finds and binds to a device

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iamlindoro:

sounds like your device is not supported by that driver

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wagnerrp:

if thats all that is in your dmesg, then you do not have an mceusb receiver

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doc_dinggy:

shot, well this is the remote i have http://ijk.com.au/branch/ijk/product_info.php . . . ts_id=122260

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doc_dinggy:

according to the box its a ir605a/q receiver, any idea what driver i need?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i make it a point not to buy from websites with blinking text and obnoxious pointing fingers

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doc_dinggy:

now thats a good point, i actually ordered a remote from my local computer shop, the recept they gave me was from ijk which is why i reference there remote

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doc_dinggy:

how ever shoonky looking website aside im stuck with it now

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wagnerrp:

what was your device code again? the pair of 4-character hex codes from lsusb?

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iamlindoro:

The picture there doesn't look anything like any of the MCE remotes or receivers I've ever seen

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wagnerrp:

e03e...

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wagnerrp:

yeah, jarod claims that one is supported

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doc_dinggy:

Bus 004 Device 002: ID 147a:e03e Formosa Industrial Computing, Inc.

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wagnerrp:

you probably are just running too old a version of the drivers

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doc_dinggy:

how do i update the drive?

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wagnerrp:

thats really a question you should be asking your distro

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wagnerrp:

as the answer will likely be specific to that distro, and somewhat involved

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doc_dinggy:

fedora is the distro if that makes it any easer

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wagnerrp:

nope, never used it

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doc_dinggy:

bugger, any surgestions on a better distro?

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wagnerrp:

better than the distro used by the LIRC maintainer?

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doc_dinggy:

they are also useing fedora?

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wagnerrp:

he, yes

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iamlindoro:

Not just using... "working for the company that produces"

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wagnerrp:

youre on 2.6.32, thats pretty far back

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wagnerrp:

thats probably before mceusb and mceusb2 were merged back together

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doc_dinggy:

yes it is

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wagnerrp:

have you tried both?

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doc_dinggy:

yes

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you think much of these threadpool issues could be resolved by cutting the timeout?

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wagnerrp:

60 seconds seems awfully long

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I think it could be possibly

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Beirdo:

but it's more likely that there are many static connections hogging threads that aren't using them anymore and not closing them

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wagnerrp:

to object have to run their own event loop to process custom events? or does qt do that automatically?

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iamlindoro:

part of that sentence missing?

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wagnerrp:

s/to/do/

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sphery:

heh, so it turns out that the super-long thread about how MythWeb is broken and modules_path doesn't exist is all due to users running PHP5.2 instead of 5.3

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you mean they didnt read the commit logs to see 5.3 was now a minimum requirement?

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sphery:

based on http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/464638#464638

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sphery:

wagnerrp: and they didn't--until now--read the INSTALL file that says it's a min req

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iamlindoro:

sphery: we have an open ticket for that stupidity

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iamlindoro:

can probably go close it

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sphery:

but mean kormoc won't put in the patch that "fixes 5.3" support in some completely different area and ignores the fact that this is also required

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sphery:

iamlindoro: sounds good... and can quote this post

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iamlindoro:

mean ol' man kormoc

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sphery:

yeah, the guy just doesn't get FOSS

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iamlindoro:

#9255

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sphery:

(for anyone reading, all my above comments about kormoc are jokes--he's doing the right thing)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: thanks... I'll link it and closeit unless I see indications that they're using the right PHP

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sphery:

can anyone confirm whish PHP is installed in Mythbuntu 10.04

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Don't need to create/run a custom event loop-- if it's QObject derived/a QObject, adding a customEvent function should "just work"

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sphery:

OS: Xubuntu 10.10 , though suggests a 10.10 one

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iamlindoro:

PHP 5.3.3–1ubuntu9.1

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sphery:

that one being 10.04?

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iamlindoro:

10.10

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iamlindoro:

PHP 5.3.2–1ubuntu4.5 on 10.04

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sphery:

hmmm

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sphery:

both should be fine

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sphery:

maybe it's not that

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sphery:

(or not just that?)

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sphery:

wonder if when a user upgrades from 9.x if their PHP upgrades...

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sphery:

I'll ask for more info

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sphery:

if it's "Are any of the affected users using PHP 5.3?", we have to wait the 30 days to close... any suggestions for how to get proof positive sooner?

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iamlindoro:

close it

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iamlindoro:

you always get proof faster when you piss them off ;)

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sphery:

"heh

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iamlindoro:

If you ask for info, you may never get it-- but tell them their bug is invalid and you'll get it by lunch ;)

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sphery:

where "proof" may be "but I said it's broken"

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sphery:

heh: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9255#comment:6 "Moving defiles.php up under cleanup.php also fixed the issue for me." ... what kind of stuff would defiles.php be doing?

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sphery:

some mythweb dev must have a very twisted mind

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iamlindoro:

right above virginsacrifice.php?

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

couldn't be before, could it?

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sphery:

I'm just asking for info

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bfrederi:

So if I wanted to use MythTV through this device: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Index.php/Hauppauge_HD-PVR

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wagnerrp:

rather, mythtv would use your cable box through that device

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bfrederi:

wagnerrp, ok, so my PC would connect to the HD-PVR and then be able to adjust channels and do timed recordings through that device (which is connected to my cable box)?

[18:08:57]

bfrederi:

wagnerrp, sorry, I'm just a little confused by how it would all be connected and work.

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wagnerrp:

thats the idea

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bfrederi:

wagnerrp, does it work?

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wagnerrp:

yes, works fine

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bfrederi:

wagnerrp, The HD-PVR is connected to the PC by USB, correct?

[18:10:12]

wagnerrp:

yes

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bfrederi:

How does it send signals to the cable box. IR? I'm not exactly sure how it would do that.

[18:10:55]

bfrederi:

Or the HD-PVR will send the signal.

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wagnerrp:

IR, yes, it has a built in transmitter that you can control through LIRC

[18:10:59]

bfrederi:

I'm guessing.

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bfrederi:

The HD-PVR has a built in transmitter?

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paul-h:

wagnerrp: if you're happy to do the network control stuff for MythMusic then go ahead :) I've got plenty of other stuff to be getting on with :)

[18:12:07]

wagnerrp:

paul-h: already done

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wagnerrp:

largely a clone of the browser code

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paul-h:

ok, cool

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bfrederi:

wagnerrp, Ok. I think I've got it all now. That's really cool.

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sphery:

heh, http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9370 ... Proper response is, "Go to Watch Recordings, select 'All Programs', MENU|Add This Group to Playlist, MENU|Playlist Options|Delete. Now check the size of recordedseek. It should be very small."

[18:39:45]

sphery:

*** nobody should do the above

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sphery:

it will delete all recordings

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** iamlindoro is used to being told what the proper response would have been to tickets he has closed ;) **

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sphery:

yeah, I just figured I'd do the same as everyone else :)

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sphery:

I did, once, on the -users list tell a guy to: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "TRUNCATE TABLE recordedseek;" to find out why that table is so big

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kormoc:

100 megabytes of data! WOW! Amazingly large there!

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sphery:

kormoc: yeah, do you know what 100MB costs these days

[19:00:54]

sphery:

I could be using that space to, instead, hold a minute of video

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sphery:

and who needs to be able to seek accurately, anyway... I'm sure our users wouldn't mind if sometimes when they say "skip forward 15s" it skips backwards 7s or similar

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wagnerrp:

sphery: about as much as my outgassings after a few bowls of chili

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kenni:

heh, have any of you tried to record something with no EPG data (name="Unknown") and have jamu fetch some fanart for it? It will match the movie "Unknown", for which the fanart is a dead man next to a gun :)

[19:07:40]

kenni:

New Mythbuntu users will probably think that this is some default MythTV graphics...nice :-P

[19:07:45]

wagnerrp:

well this should be interesting... righthaven sues drudge report

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iamlindoro:

paul-h: I was looking at the "AV Decoder Error -2" thing-- I use mythmusic infrequently, but isn't that log also indicating that the mp3 is in "/" ? I wonder if he has messed up his database somehow (or, I suppose, it might just be that the guy is dumping mp3 files in /)

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bfrederi:

What software would you use with an HD-PVR device if you wanted to stream the video. Such as on Justin.TV or some streaming site?

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bfrederi:

Is VLC capable of that sort of thing?

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wagnerrp:

the device node it creates outputs compressed h264 in an mpeg2ts container

[19:16:16]

wagnerrp:

just cat it to a file, and youre done

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bfrederi:

That's easy enough.

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bfrederi:

wagnerrp, Forgive me for my ignorant questions, but I know little about media files. So I have another question.

[19:26:09]

bfrederi:

More data will be added to that compressed file, correct? So how do I keep the data cat-ed to a file for streaming? I apologize for the confusing questions.

[19:26:41]

wagnerrp:

the HDPVR will show up as '/dev/video0' (or video1, or video2, or...)

[19:26:52]

wagnerrp:

when you 'cat /dev/video0 > some_file.mpg'

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wagnerrp:

the HDPVR will continue dumping data to that file

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wagnerrp:

until either you run out of disk space and 'cat' fails

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wagnerrp:

or you terminate 'cat'

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bfrederi:

ah, I got it. Great!

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bfrederi:

So I need to monitor that.

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bfrederi:

But if I'm not cat-ing it to a file, the data is just being constantly sent to /dev/video0 as a mounted device or whatever. Only when I cat it is when the data will actually be stored on my machine.

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wagnerrp:

no, everything in /dev is a device node

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wagnerrp:

its a special filesystem with special characteristics

[19:31:06]

wagnerrp:

the HDPVR is only active and compressing video so long as someone is pulling from that node

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wagnerrp:

if youre not pulling from it, no data is being generated

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bfrederi:

You have to make a request to the device for anything to happen.

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wagnerrp:

that also means it will take a couple seconds for the device to spool up and start streaming

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bfrederi:

Yeah, that makes sense.

[19:31:56]

wagnerrp:

reading from /dev/video IS the request

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bfrederi:

Ok, gotcha.

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bfrederi:

wagnerrp, So a container is a method for packaging codings, and multiple codings can exist within a container. I'm so lost when it comes to media. Do you know of any really great articles off the top of your head that could explain media 101 to me in a simple way?

[19:41:49]

wagnerrp:

doom9 is probably a good place to start

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bfrederi:

wagnerrp, good call. This is helpful.

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joe2371:

Hi. Poking through the wiki, I was surprised to find that MTD was apparently discontinued. Is there no way to rip media quickly and have it later compressed in the background?

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wagnerrp:

dvd ripping in mythtv needed a lot of work to bring it up to date with the rest of mythtv, so it was removed until it could be properly done so

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wagnerrp:

right now, no devs are actively working on it, but there was one user looking into it a few days ago

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joe2371:

wagnerrp: ok. thanks

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jurco:

Hi guys. I recently played with some settings in mythtv (was trying to get mythtv play dvd). Now I cannot start mythtv at all :( Blue screen appears for cca. 20 seconds and thats it. I suspect this line from log: mount: can't find /dev/sdd in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab. How can I solve this?

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Nede:

hi chat

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Nede:

one question

[20:25:27]

Nede:

"by google translate"

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Nede:

Good evening, when I open the live tv shows the last viewed channel, such as channel 5, and this is fine with me, only when I move the cursor down I expect that I should be on channel 4, but I should be the last, in practice the selection always starts from channel 1. By 0:23 it was not like, you can do anything? I hope I explained myself ....

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skd5aner:

Nede: it is a known "issue"

[20:28:06]

Nede:

thank skd5aner, it's a bug?

[20:29:08]

skd5aner:

I don't know if the developers consider it a bug or not, but I do believe they consider it an undesirable feature at least... I'm searching to see if a bug report already exists for the issue, but I know it's been mentioned here and on the mailing lists

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skd5aner:

Nede: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9137

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Nede:

mmm Now I read

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Nede:

skd5aner: My problem is the same! I tried the bug, but I had not seen, most likely the fault of my poor English!

[20:34:30]

Nede:

I keep an eye on!! Thank you for reporting!

[20:34:47]

skd5aner:

no problem

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Nede:

:-)

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Nede:

mythtv this drives me crazy, but it's too good to pass up!

[20:47:33]

Nede:

Good evening and happy holidays to all! Thanks skd5aner

[20:47:44]

jurco:

Hi guys, please help. MythTV doesnt want to start (possible cause – tried to play dvd). Error says : cannot mount

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skd5aner:

jurco: pastebin your mythfrontend logs

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skd5aner:

!url pastebin

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MythLogBot:

No match for keyword pastebin

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: ^ might be a decent one to add?

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jurco:

skd5aner: http://pastebin.com/55xjWv9x

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skd5aner:

jurco: if it's because you were messing around with settings, you could try a mythfrontend --reset which I believe will reset some of your settings

[21:00:29]

iamlindoro:

Not necessary

[21:00:38]

iamlindoro:

what is necessary is updating to an actual release of .23-fixes

[21:00:44]

iamlindoro:

Which will fix the issue

[21:00:59]

skd5aner:

heh – yea, I was just looking at that :)

[21:01:06]

skd5aner:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8194 – perhaps that's related

[21:01:16]

iamlindoro:

same old story, mythbuntu 10.04 was not .23, no matter what it says, update to actual .23 and there won't be issues

[21:01:29]

iamlindoro:

yes, same issue

[21:01:53]

skd5aner:

I was just going to suggest to upgrade to 0.24 ;)

[21:02:06]

iamlindoro:

which would also work

[21:02:46]

DaPsou:

hi, i'm going mad ... i schedule records of a tv show who got 2 episodes .. eg 20h00–21h00 21h00–22h00, i've planified my records to start 10 mn before and 10 mn after for the two records .. and i get the beginning of the second record at the end of the first .. but i cannot get the start of my second episode in the second record .. not clear i know but ... any idea ? ^^

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sphery:

DaPsou: requires 2 tuners

[21:03:46]

DaPsou:

i've got 2 tuners ^^

[21:03:54]

sphery:

unless you use digital with a multi-rec-enabled capture device, then it requires at least 2 virtual tuners

[21:04:10]

DaPsou:

i use a sony play tv dual tuner

[21:04:11]

sphery:

DaPsou: so you're saying the 2nd one starts on time, not 10min early?

[21:04:21]

DaPsou:

it start too late

[21:04:25]

sphery:

DaPsou: if so, then the problem is that you didn't set your recordings to start 10min early

[21:04:41]

sphery:

you set the global start /capture card/ early setting

[21:04:50]

DaPsou:

yes

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DaPsou:

10 mn

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sphery:

you need to set 10min start early and 10min end late on the recording rule

[21:05:12]

DaPsou:

did it

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sphery:

then it will start the 2nd one 10min early, too

[21:05:43]

sphery:

I still think you're not setting the recording /rule/ to start early

[21:06:26]

sphery:

you're setting, "Time to record before start of show (in seconds): This global setting allows the recorder to start before the scheduled start time. It does not affect the scheduler. It is ignored when two shows have been scheduled without enough time in between."

[21:06:33]

sphery:

if so, then it's doing the right thing

[21:06:46]

Beirdo:

!url pastebin

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MythLogBot:

pastebin: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/

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DaPsou:

i'm sure that i mis understand something important about mythtv functionnality but i'm sure that i've setted 10mn before AND after , it's a sheduled regular record (personnalised scheduling) and it worked for the first record so why not for the second ? ^^

[21:07:04]

sphery:

if you're setting it on the actual recording rule for the specific show, then it will have to work

[21:07:07]

Beirdo:

how's that :)

[21:07:22]

sphery:

DaPsou: where did you set it

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jurco:

skd5aner: the link you posted didnt help, it is sth about developing mythtv. and mythfrontend --reset didnt help either.... :(

[21:08:00]

sphery:

DaPsou: There's also a "Default 'Start Early' minutes for new recording rules", which is just the value that's used when you create new rules--but has nothing to do with existing rules

[21:08:11]

DaPsou:

in mythweb => (french version so please let my try to translate ^^) recording Shedules => Custom

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sphery:

then using which? title search, keyword search, people search, or power search?

[21:09:17]

DaPsou:

Title search

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sphery:

any chance you can try deleting the rule, then re-creating it using mythfrontend's Manage Recordings|Schedule Recordings|Searches|Titles (or somewhere around there)

[21:10:31]

sphery:

wondering if mythweb is setting things up differently from the backend

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sphery:

or frontend, that is

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DaPsou:

maybee ... but i cannot unstick my wife from the frontend for now ^^

[21:12:28]

DaPsou:

i will try it to schedule records from the frontend tomorrow, thanks for your help

[21:12:44]

sphery:

DaPsou: how about pastebin'ing the output of: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'SELECT * FROM record WHERE title LIKE '%words from title%';'

[21:12:55]

sphery:

DaPsou: please change 'words from title' to some words that are in the title

[21:13:33]

sphery:

iamlindoro: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9372 is a mythcenter-wide theme bug, right? If so, I'll ask if he can test other themes and get a list of all affected ones.

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Yes, most likely

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sphery:

thx

[21:14:01]

sphery:

to danielk, then, right?

[21:14:18]

iamlindoro:

if mythcenter has a custom mytharchive theme

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iamlindoro:

I don't know if it does

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sphery:

archive.xml?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: looks like it does not, so the issue may or may not be in the default theme-- but tough to know without investigating further

[21:15:25]

sphery:

ok, thanks

[21:15:29]

iamlindoro:

(as it could be an issue with something inherited from base.xml)

[21:15:34]

sphery:

if nothing else, changing component makes sense

[21:15:36]

iamlindoro:

That said, it *is* still a theme problem

[21:15:50]

iamlindoro:

well, if it's a default theme issue, then it is mytharchive

[21:15:58]

iamlindoro:

as the default themes for plugins are distributed with the plugins

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iamlindoro:

ie mythplugins/mytharchive/theme/

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sphery:

ok.

[21:16:30]

sphery:

will leave it, then

[21:16:39]

iamlindoro:

but if it's inherited from MythCenter's base.xml, then it's themes

[21:16:45]

iamlindoro:

and I'm too busy ATM to go find out :)

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sphery:

no problem

[21:17:04]

sphery:

it's fine where it is

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DaPsou:

sphery => do i need to replace LIKE '%words from title%';' by LIKE "har";' if i want to search Charmed ?

[21:17:32]

sphery:

DaPsou: sure... or LIKE 'Charmed'

[21:17:36]

DaPsou:

ok

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sphery:

or LIKE '%har%' or LIKE '%CHARMED%'

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sphery:

use the percent signs in case there's more to the title

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sphery:

(like Custom Record: Charmed or something)

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DaPsou:

TVSALON ~ # mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'SELECT * FROM record WHERE title LIKE '%CHARMED%';'

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DaPsou:

Enter password:

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DaPsou:

ERROR 1064 (42000) at line 1: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '%CHARMED%' at line 1

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DaPsou:

TVSALON ~ #

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DaPsou:

for sure i'm not good at syntax ^^

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sphery:

you need " on the outside if you use single on the inside

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sphery:

mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT * FROM record WHERE title LIKE '%CHARMED%';"

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DaPsou:

ok thanks ^^

[21:20:15]

sphery:

sorry, I mis-typed it the first time

[21:20:20]

DaPsou:

nop

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DaPsou:

http://pastebin.com/F9NwTE6V

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sphery:

DaPsou: startoffset and endoffset are set to 0

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sphery:

DaPsou: one second, please

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DaPsou:

sure

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Beirdo:

ew. Charmed. :)

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DaPsou:

my wife ....... ^^

[21:22:59]

Beirdo:

I'm happy not to be subjected to that anymore

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DaPsou:

hehe

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Beirdo:

yeah, I understand. My ex-wife made me watch it far too often

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sphery:

Beirdo: heh, the story wasn't the reason to watch

[21:23:28]

Beirdo:

at least they aren't ugly.

[21:23:30]

DaPsou:

i cannot watch this ....

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Beirdo:

yeah, I just put up with it, and watched the eye-candy

[21:23:53]

DaPsou:

and i don't like watch tv .... gulps ... not the good place to say that

[21:24:40]

DaPsou:

Sorry Sphery, i didn't set the before and after time for thoose records, it was a new try

[21:25:06]

sphery:

so you see where to set it?

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sphery:

in mythweb, at the bottom of the screen

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sphery:

in English "Start Early" and "End Late"

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sphery:

(in minutes)

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sphery:

was trying to get an imagebin to work so I could post a screenshot, but no reply from imagebin.ca

[21:26:13]

DaPsou:

i know that, it was only a test for charmed ... but .... i will check tomorrow if in france the channel respect it start/stop hour for sitcom

[21:26:43]

sphery:

if it's showing a value for start early/end late on the page, it should

[21:26:50]

DaPsou:

i mean it may come from the tv operator who doesn't respect it's program

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sphery:

http://imagebin.org/127749 is a screenshot--the bottom 2 fields need to be 10 to get 10min start early/end late

[21:27:33]

DaPsou:

sure, i've got it

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sphery:

great

[21:27:42]

sphery:

glad it's not a bug :)

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DaPsou:

hehe

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DaPsou:

humm .. does the

[21:28:43]

DaPsou:

Flag commercial work on a image analysis ?

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sphery:

multiple different approaches

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DaPsou:

ok, so no posibility to use it to try to detect the start of a show ?

[21:30:28]

sphery:

blank frame detection, scene change detection, logo detection, and actually, an additional version of each of those that's "testing" (but should probably be deleted)

[21:31:02]

DaPsou:

ok thanks for the informations, may not be reliable to detect show start for now

[21:31:24]

sphery:

there's a "Pre & Post Roll" detection mechanism that says, "put a flag at the scheduled start and end time of the show"

[21:31:30]

sphery:

and that one needs a name change

[21:33:33]

DaPsou:

ok .. thanks ...

[21:33:58]

DaPsou:

may i bother another personn about an error 500 on mythweb when i want to download records or stream it ? ^^

[21:34:00]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: Do you mind if I change the name of "Pre & Post Roll" comm detection to something less jargon-like?

[21:35:09]

sphery:

DaPsou: note that it will not do any actual commercial flagging, though--just put a mark at start and end--so it assumes a commercial-free channel (or that you don't want to flag commercials within the show)

[21:35:34]

sphery:

DaPsou: see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 93524#393524

[21:36:29]

DaPsou:

ok thanks but it doesn't apply to my case ... all my channels like bother me with commercial adds ^^

[21:36:38]

sphery:

heh, yeah, same here

[21:37:07]

sphery:

DaPsou: in that case, in the future, I plan to have MythTV record marks at many different places within the show to allow skipping to those marks easily

[21:37:13]

sphery:

one of them will be scheduled start/end time

[21:37:35]

DaPsou:

it may be a nice feature

[21:38:33]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: Maybe something like "Scheduled broadcast time"? (I'm sure there are better names, but I haven't thought of one, yet. :)

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skd5aner:

Does everyone else have issues with commskip skipping over the last 30 seconds of NBC sitcoms? I'm assuming it's just the way they do them (basically after credits, right before the next show)

[21:46:43]

skd5aner:

s/way they do/way the air

[21:46:52]

skd5aner:

er, they :/

[21:47:15]

wagnerrp:

you mean the detection doesnt work properly?

[21:47:44]

skd5aner:

Yea, it considers it to be part of the commercial break

[21:47:57]

wagnerrp:

ive seen that issue, yes

[21:48:26]

skd5aner:

I figured it was basically everyone, but wasn't sure if someone had found a better combinations of commdetect settings that might help

[21:49:02]

skd5aner:

I believe that to be basically the only consistent comm skip issue I've had in a long time (with some very minor examples in between)

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iamlindoro:

Think that it is likely the short segment length that throws it off

[21:53:40]

iamlindoro:

There's almost certainly a ceiling and floor for what could reasonably be considered a part of the program

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iamlindoro:

and 30 seconds between commercials is likely below that floor

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iamlindoro:

ie, it's probably better to have to deal with the funky NBC segments now and again than to have the commflagger consider ever 30 second commercial that fades into and out of black as a program

[21:56:34]

sphery:

yes

[21:56:37]

skd5aner:

yea, rob Peter to pay Paul

[21:57:09]

sphery:

and there's a patch I hate at http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5863

[21:57:24]

sphery:

I want to remove the existing "don't skip long commercials" setting

[21:57:33]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:57:34]

sphery:

not add a new "don't skip short commercials" setting

[21:57:38]

Beirdo:

wontfix

[21:57:40]

Beirdo:

next :)

[21:57:40]

sphery:

heh

[21:57:58]

sphery:

well, until I decide how to handle the long commercial breaks setting, I've left it open

[21:58:15]

sphery:

I asked about removing the don't skip long commercials setting, and people said, "yeah, just use a good default"

[21:58:29]

sphery:

where the current default is 3600s, and, IMHO, a good default (i.e. basically disables the setting)

[21:58:56]

sphery:

heh, like comment:2 on the short commericals ticket, "

[21:58:56]

sphery:

Wouldn't it be smarter for commercial detection to do a better job with those instead?

[22:00:12]

iamlindoro:

Also, ponies

[22:00:17]

iamlindoro:

for everyone

[22:00:34]

Beirdo:

must not forget the ponies

[22:00:36]

sphery:

ah, great... that's going to make a mess

[22:00:44]

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sphery:

and yay, another mouth to feed

[22:00:48]

Beirdo:

heh, they usually do.

[22:00:55]

sphery:

unless... I use the pony to feed /my/ mouth...

[22:00:59]

sphery:

pony stew!

[22:00:59]

DaPsou:

haha

[22:02:10]

iamlindoro:

sphery: scanner fixes were or naming accuracy and catching conflicts accurately, but don't change the actual returned channels

[22:02:24]

skd5aner:

If you're going to add pony stew, can you also add unicorn soup? I much prefer the less gainey taste of unicorn... I mean, since you're already working on the pony stew and all

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sphery:

iamlindoro: well, I figuring naming accuracy + conflicts could result in user error that changes the actual inserted channels :)

[22:03:05]

iamlindoro:

sphery: IMO the more likely thing is that the tuner in the computer is less sensitive than that n their TV-- and until he proves that some other application provides identical results to the TV, it's not going anywhere

[22:03:14]

sphery:

skd5aner: but unicorn soup is very sparkly

[22:03:28]

sphery:

makes sense to me

[22:03:42]

sphery:

figured it's worth a try, though

[22:03:56]

iamlindoro:

s/less sensitive/less sensitive and-or the driver has issues, etc/

[22:04:08]

Beirdo:

or that the computer's noise is reducing the sensitivity of the tuner perhaps too

[22:04:11]

DaPsou:

Sphery => i just got confirmation about my problem of recording not complete ... > tv provider doesn't respect it's listing ... so not a mythtv or chair/keyboard problem ^^

[22:04:15]

wagnerrp:

anyone know whether bestbuy online prices are comparable to their in-store?

[22:04:31]

sphery:

DaPsou: ah, I see... yeah, that's always annoying

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[22:04:44]

sphery:

DaPsou: I have a 1hr end late on one of my Sunday night recordings because of that

[22:04:51]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: they certainly don't in PR, but never checked on the mainland

[22:04:51]

DaPsou:

erff

[22:04:54]

sphery:

yeah

[22:05:04]

wagnerrp:

The Pacific is $43 on amazon, $45 at best buy... id rather just drive out to a best buy

[22:05:10]

sphery:

not too bad if you keep up with the show--or at least use the transcoder to losslessly cut the end off

[22:05:24]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: They will match to their own online store when it's not

[22:05:34]

DaPsou:

you mean say the frontend opened on the show ?

[22:05:41]

DaPsou:

stay sorry

[22:06:04]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, driving to the Amazon would be a lot of miles on your car--plus you'd have to watch out for the leeches and brain amoebas and candiru

[22:06:39]

skd5aner:

plus – you'd have the wrong region discs

[22:06:46]

skd5aner:

and in PAL

[22:06:49]

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[22:06:50]

sphery:

heh

[22:07:14]

iamlindoro:

Heh, in fairness, most of Brazil was NTSC

[22:07:22]

Beirdo:

thought so

[22:07:23]

Beirdo:

hehe

[22:07:26]

sphery:

wagnerrp: pretty sure bestbuy online prices are identical to in-store since you can buy online and pickup in store--and I'd guess they'd get backlash if the in-store was cheaper

[22:07:26]

Beirdo:

not that it matters

[22:07:32]

wagnerrp:

sphery: does it really count as 'driving to' if i have to hop on a boat halfway there?

[22:07:49]

** skd5aner goes to use git for the first time to d/l the 0.24-fixes branch **

[22:07:50]

sphery:

wagnerrp: if you leave the engine running on the ferry, it does :)

[22:08:15]

skd5aner:

I found out the other day that walmarts within 10 miles of each oher don't even have the same prices in-store :P

[22:08:38]

sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, there was a big news story about how it was a scheme to make the poor pay more

[22:09:22]

skd5aner:

sphery: no kidding? I litterally found out when I retunred some extra craft stuff I bought to make our halloween costumes to a different wal-mart from the one I bought it at

[22:09:52]

sphery:

skd5aner: heh, you just found a new job... buy from the cheap one and return to the expensive one... :)

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sphery:

problem is getting the 30days of back pricing data... (or 60 or 90 or however much they use when you don't have a receipt)

[22:10:30]

skd5aner:

Yay! I will slowly eat away at the walton fortune!

[22:10:35]

sphery:

heh

[22:10:38]

DaPsou:

does someone have a good link for a 0.24 ebuild with git support for gentoo ?

[22:10:56]

sphery:

one guy who probably does may be at best buy

[22:11:08]

sphery:

wagnerrp: ^^^

[22:11:15]

sphery:

git ebuild

[22:11:28]

wagnerrp:

yeah, ive got one, but im not happy with it at the moment

[22:12:03]

skd5aner:

DaPsou: so, like sphery said... call up Best Buy, ask for the geek squad desk, and see if the pimply kid can hook you up!

[22:12:23]

DaPsou:

^^

[22:12:30]

sphery:

skd5aner: the theory was that people who live in the poorer areas of a city were less likely to have the transportation availability to allow them to shop at more distant Wal-Mart stores, so by having higher prices in the poorer areas, they were forcing the poor to pay more than the rich people

[22:12:56]

skd5aner:

eh

[22:12:56]

iamlindoro:

Oh, and I'll take some tax cuts with my cheap Walmart, kthnx

[22:13:23]

Beirdo:

heh

[22:13:42]

Beirdo:

and then people wonder why the kids in China are overworked

[22:13:53]

sphery:

heh

[22:14:07]

DaPsou:

let them work, we will work for them in a small amount of time :/

[22:14:23]

DaPsou:

this was a message from france ^^

[22:15:47]

skd5aner:

Did you guys see The Simpsons Banksy intro? ;)

[22:15:58]

Beirdo:

nope

[22:16:16]

sphery:

skd5aner: the one where they used unicorns to punch the holes in DVDs

[22:16:23]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX1iplQQJTo

[22:16:28]

skd5aner:

sphery: heh, yea

[22:16:32]

Beirdo:

oooh that

[22:16:33]

sphery:

yeah, that one was great

[22:16:37]

Beirdo:

yeah, I saw that

[22:16:39]

sphery:

tons of shots at Fox

[22:16:43]

skd5aner:

big time

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sphery:

DaPsou: heh, yeah, that may be true

[22:17:44]

DaPsou:

well .. didn't know that a lot of the production of simpson's tv show was in korea ....

[22:18:05]

skd5aner:

a LOT of it

[22:18:24]

Beirdo:

I thought it was nearly all of it

[22:18:26]

DaPsou:

kina "funny" from a show who is so sarcastic ...

[22:18:38]

DaPsou:

+d

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skd5aner:

Simpsons is satire, and they're not afraid to target themselves

[22:19:43]

skd5aner:

(or their studio, either)

[22:20:01]

DaPsou:

and do a lot of merchandising ^^

[22:20:28]

DaPsou:

but Omer is my Idol ^^

[22:22:32]

skd5aner:

what's the equivalent to "svn up"?

[22:22:37]

iamlindoro:

git pull

[22:22:41]

skd5aner:

thx

[22:22:43]

iamlindoro:

np

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skd5aner:

see iamlindoro, you're becoming a git expert already ;)

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: you said you had set up a repo somewhere for the ebuilds?

[22:35:35]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, aye, and you have push access already. it should be linked on your github dashboard

[22:36:54]

wagnerrp:

ah, i see it now

[22:37:14]

kormoc:

Now's your chance to root my mythbox!

[22:37:20]

wagnerrp:

i was looking in the mythtv section

[22:37:54]

kormoc:

Yeah, I thought we could link the repos, but alas it looks like not, we'll migrate over to myth/blah when it's working

[22:38:24]

Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, feel free to change that wording. that was a user-submitted patch anyway I believe. :)

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, it was--I just wanted to make sure you were ok with the plan... Now I just have to figure out the best wording for it

[22:43:25]

sphery:

thanks

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the_alien:

is there an easy way to setup a mythbackend remotely?

[22:45:47]

DaPsou:

the_alien => export display ?

[22:47:40]

the_alien:

DaPsou: i can't start mythtv-setup on the machine. so i guess there is no display

[22:47:51]

the_alien:

don't know how xbmc is working though...

[22:48:01]

DaPsou:

xvnc ? ^^

[22:48:17]

DaPsou:

but export display may work without display attached

[22:48:23]

skd5aner:

DaPsou: X11 forwarding is what I use (via ssh)

[22:48:37]

skd5aner:

the_alien: ^

[22:48:50]

DaPsou:

yeah, i confirm that it works cause i use export on my server without display

[22:49:12]

the_alien:

ok, googling export display

[22:49:24]

the_alien:

is it working with macosx?

[22:49:28]

DaPsou:

on client (your linux pc) xhost + in a terminal

[22:49:31]

the_alien:

(the machine i'm on)

[22:49:41]

DaPsou:

on the "server" export DISPLAY=IPOFCLIENT:0

[22:49:51]

DaPsou:

than mythtv-setup --geometry 800x600

[22:50:00]

skd5aner:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_myth . . . X-Forwarding mythtv-setup

[22:50:01]

DaPsou:

geometry is mandatory ^^

[22:50:21]

DaPsou:

skd5aner => also ^^

[22:50:45]

skd5aner:

DaPsou: for me geometry is not manditory

[22:50:59]

DaPsou:

sorry

[22:51:07]

DaPsou:

not mandatory ... error ^^

[22:51:16]

skd5aner:

that said, It won't hurt either

[22:51:20]

DaPsou:

yes

[22:52:44]

DaPsou:

and it may work on osx too

[22:53:13]

skd5aner:

It has for me, as well as windows (via cygwin)

[22:53:13]

DaPsou:

but maybee you will need to install X (long time i've didn't powered up a mac ^^)

[22:53:32]

sphery:

wagnerrp: nice on the repo for your scripts... I assume you're just going to keep the ones you've written and/or you've decided to maintain yourself there, right?

[22:54:14]

DaPsou:

wagnerrp => if you want a crashtest machine, i'm here ^^ (rsync in progress in case of ^^)

[22:54:41]

sphery:

wagnerrp: it should make a great example we could show to users to ask if any want to step up to maintain any of the other wiki scripts/programs--including (especially firewire) channel changers, etc.

[22:55:32]

sphery:

iamlindoro: what do you want to call your part of the MythTV schema? "video schema"?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: it won't actually be separate, but some of the log messages I'm outputting could use a name for it--i.e. "Inserting initial video database information."

[22:59:02]

skd5aner:

wishes all his machines had quad cores in them while compiling :(

[22:59:36]

sphery:

skd5aner: that's what distcc is for

[22:59:44]

sphery:

I hear it even makes Atom CPUs fast

[22:59:51]

DaPsou:

humm ... ^^

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skd5aner:

never used distcc, figured it wasn't worth the hastle of only compiling a dozen or so times a year

[23:00:23]

sphery:

it actually doesn't make Atom CPUs fast--it offloads the real work from the slow Atom CPU

[23:00:33]

DaPsou:

for an emerge world distcc and ccache are nice

[23:00:35]

sphery:

(just clarifying in case anyone didn't realize that's a joke)

[23:00:43]

DaPsou:

:p

[23:00:59]

sphery:

it was a reference to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/464119#464119

[23:01:20]

sphery:

where actually distcc means he's compiling MythTV /not/ on his Acer Atom 230 :)

[23:01:27]

DaPsou:

^^

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DaPsou:

with distcc i can compile openoffice on my atom and i'm at 99%idle ^^

[23:01:51]

sphery:

heh

[23:02:17]

DaPsou:

but my main rig and my nas release a lot of smoke ^^

[23:02:20]

sphery:

yeah, makes far more sense to use a real CPU for compiling--the Atom can just schedule it

[23:02:28]

sphery:

haha

[23:02:48]

sphery:

yeah, OOo compilation is very cpu-intensive

[23:02:59]

DaPsou:

and ram monster too

[23:02:59]

sphery:

soon I'll have to switch to LibreOffice

[23:03:05]

sphery:

and HDD, too

[23:03:09]

DaPsou:

didn't tried it for now, fork ?

[23:03:17]

DaPsou:

ramfs for me ^^

[23:03:38]

the_alien:

DaPsou: i guess i'm too stupid for display export. i do "xhost +" connect through ssh to the linux box, do " export DISPLAY=10.0.0.102:0" and try to launch mythtv-setup and get "(zenity:8037): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: 10.0.0.102:0"

[23:03:42]

sphery:

yeah, LibreOffice is the fork created because Oracle seems to have plans for OOo that don't go well with the community's plan for it

[23:03:56]

sphery:

DaPsou: http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/

[23:03:59]

DaPsou:

oracle ... grrrrr ...

[23:04:03]

sphery:

:)

[23:04:25]

DaPsou:

the_alien => try with DISPLAY=IP:1 , don't know how osx handle displays

[23:04:49]

skd5aner:

the_alien: don't make it too hard

[23:05:03]

sphery:

the_alien: better is ssh -Y hostname, then start mythtv-setup--don't mess with xhost or DISPLAY or anything

[23:05:13]

DaPsou:

or try the skd5aner method

[23:05:19]

DaPsou:

^^

[23:05:30]

the_alien:

what is the skd5aner method?

[23:05:47]

DaPsou:

like said sphery, try to use ssh

[23:05:48]

skd5aner:

the_alien: googling "x forwarding apple OR os x" :)

[23:06:01]

skd5aner:

exactly, which is what I said above ;)

[23:06:16]

DaPsou:

yes skd5aner ^^

[23:06:35]

skd5aner:

http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliving/ . . . ?p=339270950

[23:07:23]

DaPsou:

humm .. don't forget to restart sshd ^^

[23:07:33]

skd5aner:

you do have to make sure that your sshd_config file has "X11Forwarding yes" in it

[23:07:38]

skd5aner:

other than that, it should "just work"

[23:07:52]

skd5aner:

(make sure to restart your sshd if you have to change your config file)

[23:08:06]

DaPsou:

exactly, which is what I said above ;) (^^)

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skd5aner:

ha – like DaPsou said ;)

[23:08:14]

DaPsou:

:p

[23:08:19]

** skd5aner wasn't reading – was just typing **

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the_alien:

skd5aner: yeah, found that blog too :D

[23:10:00]

the_alien:

just needed to do ssh -X and it works :)

[23:10:27]

** DaPsou bookmark this blog now ^^ **

[23:10:48]

the_alien:

:)

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DaPsou:

damn .. i've just brough from Steam a game that i already own in box ...........

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DaPsou:

time to go sleep ^^

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the_alien:

unix is awesome. but i'm too stupid :D

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skd5aner:

*nix makes a lot of people feel stupid at times – beginners and experts

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DaPsou:

Unix make everyone stupid ^^ too powerfull, we will always learn new methods to do somethings

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DaPsou:

lol skd5aner ^^

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Shadow__X:

hey guys what do you think of the mitsubishi dlp tv's that tigerdirect has on sale

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the_alien:

is someone here using sundtek sticks?

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Shadow__X:

I currenlty have some shows ending later than their programming but, there is a burn notice marathon and instead of recording every episode it comes up with conflicts due to adding 5 minutes to the recording rule

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Shadow__X:

is there a way for me to be able to keep it ending late and it just resuing the stream for the next episode?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, i had been keeping them on a local subversion server, but it makes sense to put them online

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