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kenni:

okay, I got it...jamu depends on TV shows having at least one season/episode entered on thetvdb.com. Creating an episode for the title on thetvdb.com fixes/workarounds the issue.

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Diverdude:

if i just install mythtv package, will it both install front and backend in same machine then?

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kenni:

Diverdude, the MythTV project doesn't provide any precompiled mythtv packages

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kenni:

if you're talking about the source package, then yes

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wagnerrp:

Diverdude: the source does not offer a mechanism to install one or the other but not both

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i had another runaway mythcommflag today :(

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[R]:

wagnerrp: you still gonna do taht kil lit after X amount of minutes thing?

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wagnerrp:

eventually

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wagnerrp:

i was going to try to break out the jobqueue this weekend

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[R]:

its weird

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[R]:

cuz my hdpvr was like totally freaking out

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[R]:

but miraculously it recovered for the next recording

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[R]:

the recording claimed it was 2 hours long

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[R]:

even though i had a recording right after it and it was supposed to be 30 minutes only

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deegan:

Question: I get the error "unable to open jump to program file" quite often, not all the time but often enough so that i have gotten used to not trying to change channels to quickly. My setup is a Backend and a frontend, i watch all my tv on the frontend and the backend just does what a backend does – no tv connected. Now, what would ju recommend i add to the logfile with the -v option to get more information on this.

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[R]:

when do you get that?

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deegan:

[R]: I get it when i try to change channels, i never get it while watching a channel.

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[R]:

so you mean livetv?

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deegan:

Yes livetv.

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[R]:

what version? what tuner?

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deegan:

http://pastebin.com/EgfvX4pC that's the verison output. i build my own from the svn repo.

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deegan:

the tuner is a hauppauge.. hang on

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wagnerrp:

'ju'?

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deegan:

hauppauge hvr-4000 dvb-s. not 100% on that, could be a 4400.

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[R]:

and you have nothing in the bakcned log as it is?

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deegan:

nothing detailed atleast. just the file error but it's not really telling me anything. hang on and i'll reproduce it.

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Lexridge:

Stupid question for you all. Why will Myth not play AVI files...either Xvid or Divx?

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Lexridge:

no errors, just nothing

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[R]:

Lexridge: cuz whomever compiled it... sucks?

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Lexridge:

Well, that would be me then

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[R]:

i highly doubt there is "nothing"

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Lexridge:

Do I need to add a --with-xvid on configure? Don't recall seeing that on ./configure --help

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GreyFoxx:

What do your frontend logs say ?

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[R]:

the help lists all the optinos that are valid

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GreyFoxx:

There is no reason I can think of for why it wouldn't play those codecs

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Lexridge:

hang on, I'll look at the logs again

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wagnerrp:

Lexridge: mythtv should play xvid and divx just fine, and there are no compile options you should be setting related to them

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Lexridge:

Everything else plays them...except for mythfrontend video player

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deegan:

nothing on the backend log about actually, most have had it mixed up with something else. on the frontend however: http://pastebin.com/icTT9Rrq

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wagnerrp:

Lexridge: try with 'mythavtest'

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Lexridge:

okay wagner

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like you've set an external player to play AVI files, have pulseaudio installed but suspended, and thus when the external player attempts to play them, it just stops

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iamlindoro:

Since, as previously mentioned, Myth's own player plays AVI just fine

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Lexridge:

mythavtest plays them justfine

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Lexridge:

I dont think I have configured an external player, and yes, I do have pulse disabled

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iamlindoro:

mythavtest *is* the internal player

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iamlindoro:

so if they're not playing, you're not using the internal player

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Lexridge:

its using mplayer

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iamlindoro:

Then there you go, see above

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Lexridge:

I didnt set that up. It has always been that way.

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iamlindoro:

Don't use mplayer, or completely uninstall pulseaudio

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Lexridge:

I'll change it

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** wagnerrp votes for both **

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Lexridge:

bingo, that fixed it!!

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deegan:

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Lexridge:

I cannot completely uninstall it. Fedora 13 depends on pulse way too much

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iamlindoro:

Nothing requires pulse

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iamlindoro:

including fedora

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Lexridge:

Wellllll, I did uninstall it completely at first, and it broke a lot of things that wouldn't even run enough to allow me to re-configure the audio portion.

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Lexridge:

I guess I could have compiled all those apps without pulse, but that would be a lot of work

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iamlindoro:

We have people remove pulse on fedor all the time in here, they manage it

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Lexridge:

I was able to remove it completely on F8 F9 F10 and F11, but not F13

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, point being leaving pulse on is your choice, but that means you will run into weird stuff like this frequently

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Lexridge:

I would love to get completely rid of it, and replace it with jack. That too is not easy.

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Lexridge:

I had F8 using jack exclusively, wish I could re-create that

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Lexridge:

anyway, thanks for the help. Very happy its now working!

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Lexridge:

Is anyone here using the Western Digital WD-TV Live? That little box is cool as hell!! It automatically found my Myth backend server, and plays the video from it perfectly!

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[R]:

upnp

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[R]:

amazing

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[R]:

lol

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Lexridge:

Yea, I know it's all UPNP, but I was surprised the titles and descriptions actually worked too

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[R]:

its upnp

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[R]:

not rocket science

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Lexridge:

Before I re-flashed it, it would show me the myth file names, not the actual titles. The 3rd party firmware is what really made it happen.

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Lexridge:

WD-LX-TV firmware

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Lexridge:

Be cool if he could put a mini mythfrontend on that box.

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knightr:

Hi guys! The flash player plugin where are we supposed to copy it so that it's used by MythBrowser? I hadn't installed it since it had problem in the past and now I find conflicting info.

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Lexridge:

or even a complete custom mythtv firmware

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Lexridge:

At $59 per unit, that would be a GREAT little frontend

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[R]:

not really

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Lexridge:

why not really?

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** [R] wakes up wagnerrp to explain **

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wagnerrp:

who? what? where?

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[R]:

knightr: refer to the qt webkit documenation to find where it expects plugins

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Lexridge:

lol

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[R]:

knightr: just get a dist taht doesnt suck and install the package

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knightr:

[R], thanks...

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knightr:

[R], I compile from source... :)

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[R]:

you compield your dist from source?

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wagnerrp:

it was a hurricane, a landslide, a flood, locusts, my car wouldnt start, the dry cleaning wasnt ready

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wagnerrp:

i swear to god, it wasnt my fault

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[R]:

lol

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knightr:

[R], no, only MythTV...

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[R]:

knightr: you cojmpiling mythtv has notyhing to do with flash...

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Lexridge:

and the dog must have eaten your source code

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knightr:

[R], ok, I got what you meant, you mean find a package that has it...

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knightr:

[R], won't be useful for my need since I need to guide somebody who doesn't use the same distribution as me and I want to install mine at the same time...

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp. You were about to explain why the WD-TV would not make a great mythfrontend box for [R] lol

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wagnerrp:

oh, not enough power

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[R]:

knightr: than refer to my other statement

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[R]:

wagnerrp: that's what she said

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[R]:

wagnerrp: what if i stick anotehr power supply in it?

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Lexridge:

lmao

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wagnerrp:

even if mythfrontend could be compiled to run on it

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt have enough memory to do so well

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Lexridge:

Well, it would have to run without X, obviously

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wagnerrp:

nor does it have opengl support to be nice

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wagnerrp:

and myth doesnt have support for whatever hardware video decoder it uses

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Lexridge:

I think it's a Sigma video decoder

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[R]:

Lexridge: it doesnt matter what it is... myth doesnt support it

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knightr:

[R], thanks, found the info...

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wagnerrp:

meaning it would be woefully underrpowered for any sort of video decoding

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Lexridge:

oh well, regardless...it's a pretty decent little box for the money, and 1080p video looks terrific from it

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wagnerrp:

Lexridge: if you get Sigma Designs to release the specs and libraries for accessing their decoder chips, then we can talk

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Lexridge:

But the source code for the WD-TV box is GPL Linux. Would that not be enough?

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[R]:

Lexridge: not the source for using the sigma chip

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Lexridge:

or is it done the same as the Nvidia drivers?

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wagnerrp:

the source code doesnt include the bits for accessing the decoder chip

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Lexridge:

i see

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wagnerrp:

tons of TVs 'run linux', but that doesnt mean you can install your own distro on them and have them be worth crap

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wagnerrp:

the only reason you can do so with routers is because network interface chips are a common commodity, and the drivers are already available

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JEDIDIAH__:

I dunno. Given some TV interfaces, being able to ssh in and use bash could be an improvement.

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Lexridge:

So the WD-LX-TV firmware is using precompiled drivers I would assume then. I can ssh into my WDTV box, and it has a web interface via apache

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Lexridge:

It's most likely using busybox however

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Lexridge:

The firmware for this sucker is 83MB!!

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JEDIDIAH__:

where do the sample clauses for the power search come from?

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: theyre stored in a database table

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sphery:

specifically, the ones you're given are stored in code, the ones you create are stored in DB tables

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wagnerrp:

sphery: ive got a table that has several sample power searches

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sphery:

you must have saved them?

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sphery:

if you mean customexample

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wagnerrp:

sounds right

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sphery:

the main ones are in programs/mythfrontend/customedit.cpp

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wagnerrp:

then whats that one in custom example? looks like it records any movie that was originally aired over a year ago?

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wagnerrp:

now sure what the utility of that would be

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JEDIDIAH__:

sysdate – 50 years might be interesting though

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JEDIDIAH__:

or specifically avoiding the old stuff.

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sphery:

which one?

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sphery:

one of your customexample saved ones?

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wagnerrp:

i didnt save any custom example ones

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wagnerrp:

unless someone else was messing around with stuff and did that

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Beirdo:

and of course...

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Beirdo:

just when I go to restart the backend with new code... it starts recording :)

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wagnerrp:

recording is a bad thing?

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sphery:

no new code for you!

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wagnerrp:

hehehe

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wagnerrp:

man dines-and-dashes in front of dan stark

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wagnerrp:

so dan stark jumps through a plate glass window (worth several times the meal price) to chase him

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zoran119:

can someone recomend an nvidia card which is good for mythtv (playing full hd recordings)?

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wagnerrp:

anything 8-series or better

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wagnerrp:

not sure what 'full hd recordings' would be though

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zoran119:

i'm not sure either... that's what we call it in australia

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zoran119:

full hd tv

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zoran119:

1080p i guess

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wagnerrp:

thats just a resolution and not even a complete one

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wagnerrp:

you need horizontal resolution, codec, and bitrate, and optionally a whole assortment of encoding options

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zoran119:

yeah... i'm not sure about any of that

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wagnerrp:

but then you cant make a buzz word out of all that

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zoran119:

i like making buzz words.... :)

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zoran119:

either way... 8 series should cover it....

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wagnerrp:

yes

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zoran119:

i have a redeon card in there and it's not good enough

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zoran119:

running with the radeon module

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wagnerrp:

try the fglrx drivers

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wagnerrp:

first, what processor?

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zoran119:

2.5 core2duo

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zoran119:

4gb ram

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wagnerrp:

a 2.5GHz core 2 should be plenty fast for just about any content you come across

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wagnerrp:

yeah, install the fglrx drivers and see where that gets you

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zoran119:

cool, will do

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zoran119:

i have a 2 min clip which i used for testing the playback and that's how i discovered that the radeon card is not good enough

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zoran119:

i don't have a tuner yet, and there aren't many hd things you can download for testing

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wagnerrp:

is it specifically a sample recording from broadcasters in australia?

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zoran119:

no

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wagnerrp:

exactly two minutes long? how large is the file?

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zoran119:

let me see exactly

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zoran119:

177 meg... 2:41 in length

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zoran119:

but i then used ffmpeg to convert it to .mpg (original is .mov) and it's up to 350 meg... and that one plays fine

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Beirdo:

whoah

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Beirdo:

new Narnia movie!

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wagnerrp:

whoah, mythffmpeg

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wagnerrp:

although you screwed up the name

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wagnerrp:

shoulda been something like... ff... myth... peg

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zoran119:

wagnerrp: what? i don't understand

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wagnerrp:

zoran119: unrelated... i was looking at a commit message

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wagnerrp:

an 8.8mbit file should be very easy to do on that processor

[05:02:31]

wagnerrp:

presumably a trailer from apple?

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zoran119:

nah... i cannot remember where i got it from... i a video of a space shuttle launch

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wagnerrp:

although whatever was causing it to not play fine, should not have been resolved by converting it to mpeg2

[05:04:09]

zoran119:

i'm starting to think that getting a new video card might be a harsh decision without more tesing

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zoran119:

i'll get a tuner first and see how i go

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wagnerrp:

what card specifically?

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zoran119:

radeon hd 3450

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats new enough and powerful enough

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zoran119:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV620 LE [Radeon HD 3450]

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wagnerrp:

that with the fglrx drivers, you should have no problem using the opengl painter and renderer

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zoran119:

yeah... i'm thinking it might still be ok... i'll get the tuner first and see how it goes

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zoran119:

any recomendations for a tuner?

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zoran119:

(dual would be good)

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wagnerrp:

dont know anything about DVB tuners

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zoran119:

is there a page explaining what dvb and other accronyms are?

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Glossary

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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zoran119:

or is there only dvb for australia and that's all i need to care about?

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mikeishooligan:

Hello, is it possible to improve the image quality of the livetv stream? There is a noticeable difference between the image I get when the cable is plugged directly into the tv and when it is run through myth. I'm just wondering if thats the price I pay for using a tv tuner or if there is something I can do to improve the quality.

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wagnerrp:

what kind of tuner?

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mikeishooligan:

hauppage win-tv 1600

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wagnerrp:

digital tuners should look just as good pumped through mythtv as your tv can view directly

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wagnerrp:

since theyre both recording exactly the same data

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wagnerrp:

the mpeg encoder... you can try increasing the bitrate, but anything above 7–8mbps is just wasted space

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mikeishooligan:

this card has two inputs on it, as far as I could tell one is for regular cable and the other is for digital cable, correct?

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wagnerrp:

analog and digital, yes

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wagnerrp:

not specifically for cable

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mikeishooligan:

is there a tutorial you can point me to for increasing the bitrate? I wouldn't mind trying that as watching regular cable doesn't seem to stress my system out at all so I think it could handle it.

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wagnerrp:

its in the frontend options, Recording Profiles

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mikeishooligan:

ok, it has average bitrate set to 4,500 and max to 6000

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wagnerrp:

ive got mine at 6600, and honestly, it still leaves something to be desired

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wagnerrp:

but such is analog with mythtv

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mikeishooligan:

is that avg or max?

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wagnerrp:

the video capture tends to be a bit better than the tuner on those cards, if that is an option

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wagnerrp:

avg

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wagnerrp:

comes out to ~3GB/hr

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wagnerrp:

video capture from a cable box using svideo

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mikeishooligan:

ok thanks I'll give that a try. and what do you mean by video capture is better than the tuner? like recorded files play better than live?

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wagnerrp:

no, capturing through the baseband inputs tends to result in better quality than capturing through the tuner

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wagnerrp:

baseband = svideo or composite

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mikeishooligan:

oic...so if I had like a cable box I could plug it's output into the svideo input and that would give me a better signal?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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mikeishooligan:

ok thanks, this my first attempt with tv tuners so its a pretty steep learning curve for me!

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mikeishooligan:

bumping up the bitrate did seem to help though. at 4500 on screen text was fuzzy looking and it seems a bit crisper now

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peque:

Morning folks. I have a problem with Channel Icons. I have a under the stairs solution – But cannot get the TV icons to be shown neither under mythweb or in LiveTV. I've checked several times that the options are set – and during mythtv-setup I've downloaded the icons but they are not shown

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bmidgley_:

hey, what can I check to see why commercial flagging jobs are not running any more

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bmidgley_:

none of my shows are commercial flagged now

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wagnerrp:

check the backend status page

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wagnerrp:

see if it is reporting commflag jobs as failed

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bmidgley_:

wagnerrp backend status? it's in the frontend somewhere? or the setup app

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wagnerrp:

http://<your backend>:6544/

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wagnerrp:

there are a /lot/ of copies of the ruby-mythtv bindings on github

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wagnerrp:

what programming languages uses '.cs' files?

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wagnerrp:

is that C#?

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waxhead:

wagnerrp, yep

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i was thinking about my complaints with bash and init systems

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wagnerrp:

every time i boot, the first user controlled tasks i run are always within the several thousands

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

i wonder how much of boot time is spent forking

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Beirdo:

forking really isn't much load

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wagnerrp:

no, but each is going to cost a couple milliseconds

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Beirdo:

possibly

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wagnerrp:

if there have been several thousand processes run by the time the system becomes active... that really adds up

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Beirdo:

to maybe a second or two

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Beirdo:

nothing significant :)

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Beirdo:

of course.. you could time it to be sure

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wagnerrp:

the mythical guy reported a drop from 15 seconds to half a second when replacing sed with bash processing

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wagnerrp:

although i dont know if he had one sed line for the whole block, or if he ran it once for each replace

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Beirdo:

that's because he's a moron and doesn't know how to use sed

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wagnerrp:

which could easily run into the tens of thousands of calls

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Beirdo:

he probably fed sed one line at a time too

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Beirdo:

like a moron

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Beirdo:

it's meant to work on a file/stream :)

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wagnerrp:

well you know, bash pipes and job control is beyond most people

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wagnerrp:

and most of those who could use them properly decide to use a different language

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Beirdo:

hhehe

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sphery:

skd5aner: around?

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clever:

wagnerrp: part of why i wrote my initrd from scratch for some of my systems

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wagnerrp:

clever: well most people use busybox for initrd, which is different

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clever:

it does exactly what it needs to do and nothing more, no fancy colors or completely configurable options

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wagnerrp:

any internal call is not forked, but run internally

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clever:

yeah, mine is based around busybox

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clever:

the sh script it runs is minimal

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wagnerrp:

besides, on those machines, i spend far more time waiting for network and iscsi to come online than any script

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clever:

mine spends 99% of the bootup time waiting on USB, as it copies a 1gig file to ram

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clever:

the entire init.d system could use similar optimizations, if your doing a custom install and want instant bootups

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clever:

but thats a much bigger project

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wagnerrp:

much much much biger

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sphery:

skd5aner: nvm... figured it out--probably the "first dos option didn't work" thing you mentioned

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clever:

would have to find/copy the startup code from every service you need and make it into a single long script

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wagnerrp:

honestly, id love to just flash gpxe on my systems, and use the built in support for the firmware tables

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wagnerrp:

scrap my whole initrd

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clever:

ive done nfsroot once without an initrd

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wagnerrp:

thats because you dont need one for nfsroot

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sphery:

So for the first time, ever, I figured out how to build and sys a dos bootable floppy completely within my GNU/Linux system and to create a USB flash drive with Grub 2 that can run that image. Key was

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clever:

most of my nfsroot systems are using the stock ubuntu kernel, so they need it

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sphery:

nice thing was that it allowed me to create a 2880kiB floppy image, so I have space for firmware files in it

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sphery:

and it only took me... wow, it's 3:21 am

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wagnerrp:

where did you get a double density floppy?

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wagnerrp:

ive never actually seen one

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clever:

recently, one of my windows systems blue-screened

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clever:

after rebooting it just sat at a flashing _

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clever:

not even grub is starting

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sphery:

didn't use an actual floppy

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clever:

no idea whats wrong

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sphery:

just put the image of the floppy on a usb flash drive and used grub2 + memdisk to boot it

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clever:

a grub floppy lets me chainload windows, so the files are all there

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wagnerrp:

oh, just a floppy image on a flash drive

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

but the freedos single-disk floppy images and ISO images have basically no space on them, so they wouldn't work

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sphery:

so I had to create a new one

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Beirdo:

sphery: you're generally clueful...

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Beirdo:

any idea if mythtranscode (in raw mode) always spits out stereo from AC3 recordings?

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wagnerrp:

raw meaning.. full processing?

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sphery:

no idea on that

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sphery:

mythtranscode is black magic to me

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Beirdo:

raw meaning it hands off raw audio and raw video in fifos

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wagnerrp:

sphery: does it also throw snakes at you in the dead of night?

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wagnerrp:

considering we only transcode to mp3, which only exists as stereo

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wagnerrp:

i dont see why we would be sending multi-channel anywhere

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Beirdo:

nottrue, we do aac encoding in nuvexport

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

and nuvexport pulls streams using mythtranscode?

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Beirdo:

but I'm pretty sure it's downmixed to stereo

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Beirdo:

yes

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Beirdo:

always has

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wagnerrp:

i had no idea it could do that

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Beirdo:

I'm retrofitting it to use mythffmpeg

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Beirdo:

of course, the first one I try is MP3 audio only

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wagnerrp:

yeah, now that we have that, i think ill take another crack at my lossless clipping script

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Beirdo:

and it's god-awful slow for some reason

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wagnerrp:

and now that ive actually learned how to use pipes, i think i can do it without multiple temp files

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Beirdo:

of course, I picked a 1080i H.264 file with AC3 audio

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wagnerrp:

got any fringe?

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Beirdo:

probably

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wagnerrp:

i just opened up one of those, so i know its 5.1

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Beirdo:

this is a Todd Rundgren concert

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wagnerrp:

i5+turbo

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Beirdo:

smart alec

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wagnerrp:

no, not turbo, its got hyperthreading

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wagnerrp:

the i3s are the ones with no turbo

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Beirdo:

you can argue with Intel. The chip is called the i7–860

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

and it should be able to run a heck of a lot faster than this for this use

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Diverdude:

What package do i need to install for the backend? There are mythtv,mythtv-backend, mythtv-backend-master, mythtv-common, mythtv-database , mythtvmusic and many more myth packages?

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wagnerrp:

'mythtv' is the backend, and thats it

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Diverdude:

what is then mythtv-backend?

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Diverdude:

package

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wagnerrp:

'mythtv' is also the frontend, jobqueue, transcoder, commflagger, guide downloader, language bindings, and assorted other scripts and libraries

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wagnerrp:

no clue, some random concoction of your package manager

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wagnerrp:

you would have to ask them

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Diverdude:

lol....i dont think the packet manager makes concoctions.... Those packages are there in the repo

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wagnerrp:

what repo?

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Diverdude:

ubuntu repo

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wagnerrp:

so, theyre concoctions of your package manager

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wagnerrp:

the 'package manager' being the person who manages the packages for ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

or in this case, team of people

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Diverdude:

im sure they are there for a reason

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wagnerrp:

probably, but theyre not reasons of ours

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Diverdude:

But your theory is that i need to install mythtv on both my frontend computers as well as my backend server

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wagnerrp:

perhaps the 'mythtv' package needs a full X install, while the 'mythtv-backend' only requires the X libs

[09:05:06]

wagnerrp:

maybe 'mythtv-backend-master' has a different base configuration, or requires the 'mythtv-database' in addition to the other dependencies

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wagnerrp:

'mythtv-common', no idea what would be in there, libraries, language bindings, maybe

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Diverdude:

maybe? perhaps?

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wagnerrp:

possibly

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Diverdude:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

im telling you, we do source, specifically https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/master/mythtv

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wagnerrp:

in that 'mythtv' folder, when you build and install, you get /everything/

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wagnerrp:

frontend, backend, libraries, transcode, commflag, guide downloader, language bindings, assorted scripts

[09:08:23]

wagnerrp:

anything that does not contain /all/ those things as prescribed by the makefile is going to be a concoction of your package manager

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Diverdude:

hmm okay. So i need to install everything even though i do not need it?

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wagnerrp:

what dont you think you need?

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Diverdude:

i mean i will have a dedicated backend server...so seems a bit silly to install frontend mythtv there

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Diverdude:

backend server is just a terminal

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Diverdude:

running ubuntu 10.10 server

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wagnerrp:

yes, but the frontend is going to be all of a couple megs

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Diverdude:

no gui

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wagnerrp:

the bulk of the code is in the libraries

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wagnerrp:

and you still need X, or at least the X libraries

[09:11:18]

wagnerrp:

since mythtv-setup, the configuration tool for the backend, that must be run on the same machine as the backend, is an X application

[09:11:53]

Diverdude:

wagnerrp, what...so i cannot install mythtv on a terminal based machine?

[09:12:21]

wagnerrp:

sure you can, but you need the X libraries installed to use for mythtv-setup

[09:12:41]

wagnerrp:

that does /not/ mean you need to run a local X server to run the application

[09:12:52]

wagnerrp:

X11 is a network transparent protocol

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, hopefully it will be detected as a requirement then and installed automagically if not present

[09:13:33]

wagnerrp:

you can run an X application against the local X server, or one on your machine down the hall, or one on your computer at work, or one on a machine on the opposite side of the world

[09:13:53]

wagnerrp:

you just need an X server /somewhere/

[09:14:08]

wagnerrp:

and you need the X libraries installed so you can access that server

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: it seems i do have the debugging executables installed on my backend

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wagnerrp:

mythfrontend is 31 MB

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Beirdo:

yay!

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wagnerrp:

Diverdude: as opposed to my frontend machines where it is 2.5MB

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wagnerrp:

but, im going to bed

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Beirdo:

go for it, talk to ya tomorrow

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Diverdude:

ok when i run mythtv-setup it requires a display. There is a way to set it up without gui right?

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Diverdude:

any1?

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Beirdo:

no, there isn't

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Beirdo:

but the gui can be remote

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Beirdo:

over an SSH tunnel, with VNC, RDP, etc

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Beirdo:

anyways, bed for me

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Diverdude:

how over ssh?

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clever:

ssh -X

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lyricnz:

Hi myth people. I just updated my myth box, and seem to have broken my Videos support.

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lyricnz:

Do frontends stream from the backend now? Rather than playing from the filesystem?

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Diverdude:

is it possible to setup a source directory in myth tv, which contains folders of avi files etc. which then may be browsed and viewed in mythtv?

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oobe:

yay I wasnt paying attention .24 is out

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oobe:

how long ago did this happen

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Diverdude:

is mythvideo encapsulated in mythtv?

[11:41:49]

oobe:

its modular

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oobe:

its a plugin

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Diverdude:

so have to install it seperate?

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oobe:

yea

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Diverdude:

on the backend?

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Diverdude:

files are stored backend

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oobe:

no on the frontend

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oobe:

its a plugin for mythfrontend

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Diverdude:

aha okay,and i can set it up to stream files from backend server?

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oobe:

yea

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oobe:

mythfrontend will ask you for the hostname and port of the backend

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Diverdude:

port being?

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oobe:

so assuming you are running a backend on a seperate machine you would use the lan ip of that host

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oobe:

the port is using the sql port by default 3306 I think

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Diverdude:

yeah ok

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oobe:

it is defined in mythtv-setup which you should run on the backend

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Diverdude:

but how does backend know which browsing directory it should offer?

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Diverdude:

i find it quite insane that i have to install the entire mythtv package with mysq and everything on a stupid frontend machine....that is quite bad software strategy

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Diverdude:

okay, i guess the mythtv backend server process must somehow be running at all times. How do i ensure that?

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oobe:

Diverdude, all of your questions are on foundational topics which are quite well documented http://www.mythtv.org/docs/

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oobe:

foundational? lol fundemental or foundation rather

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Diverdude:

i try to start mythtv backend i get an error saying Failed to bind port 6543. Exiting.

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jya:

Diverdude: probable mythbackend is already running.

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rileyp:

Diverdude: is you pc connected to your router are you running remote frontends

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jya:

many binary packages like ubuntu will start the backend automatically once installed

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rileyp:

jya is there an easy way to get all the modelines off my lcd tv and into xorg.conf apart from doingthe logverbose thing

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jya:

there are utilities to read the EDID

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jya:

but running in verbose is probably the easiest

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jya:

though if your edid is good, you may not have to manually configure xrog

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jya:

xorg

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rileyp:

and then manually adding each one from xorg.0.log

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jya:

any particular reasons you want to copy the modeline into xorg.conf ?

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rileyp:

Im getting a bit of flicker using my lcds default settings

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jya:

I set up a wiki entry with all the most known modelines for modern tv

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jya:

use that, and comment the one that do not work

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rileyp:

ok thanks

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jya:

the flicker is unlikely to be solved with a modeline...

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rileyp:

oh

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jya:

search for the myth wiki judder free playback

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rileyp:

hmm ok

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jya:

with LCD these days, they don't flicker

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jya:

if the refresh rate or scan was incorrectly configured then year maybe

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jya:

of CRT tvs

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jya:

but not LCD

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jya:

maybe it's set to an interlaced mode

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rileyp:

well this one wasnt with my asrock ion but is iswith my onboad gf8400

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jya:

you're in VGA or dvi ?

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rileyp:

im running cpu + on a amd 4400 dc hdmi

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rileyp:

i changed back to cpu+ to see if it would stop the judder but it made no diff

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jya:

hold on

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jya:

what do you have? flicker or judder?

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jya:

two very different things

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jya:

flicker, it ... flickers.. slightly change brilliance, or turning on off very quickly

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jya:

judder: when an object move horizontally, it's not smooth

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rileyp:

hang on Ill have a look..

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jya:

if the screen showing the menu

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jya:

is that stable?

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jya:

you could also see some deinterlacing artifacts..

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jya:

that's more visible in fix text, especially white ones

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jya:

with an onboard gf8400, I would be running VDPAU Good

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jya:

you won't be able to get any better than that on your machine quality-wise

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Diverdude:

jya, hmm i tried hard-resetting backend server and still i get Failed to bind port 6543. Exiting.

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jya:

Diverdude: when you do ps ax | grep backend

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Diverdude:

rileyp, ps is connected to backend

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jya:

what ydo you get?

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Diverdude:

jya, i get this:

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Diverdude:

739 ? Ssl 0:00 /usr/bin/mythbackend --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --user mythtv

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Diverdude:

1570 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto backend

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jya:

so you see, mythbackend is already running

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jya:

you can't start a new one at the same time

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jya:

so you either kill the one already running, and you start a new one

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jya:

or just use the one currently running

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Diverdude:

jya, hmmm okay....strange then why cant i find my videos i wonder when i run myth frontend from the remote computer

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jya:

did you run mythtv-setup first, and set up your directories?

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jya:

that's on the backend machine

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jya:

if not, got and read the mythtv wiki on how to install and configure mythtv

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Diverdude:

jya, yes i set up Storage Group configuration videos to point to /home/bdi/media/videos

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jya:

on which machine did you do that? the backend?

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rileyp:

diverdude videos must be local if you have them on your backend you must create a nfs share or simular

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Diverdude:

jya, yeah on the backend using ssh -X from laptop

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jya:

in any case, it's rather obvious you haven't read any documentations yet.. so please

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jya:

rileyp: please don't spread incorrect information

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jya:

that's completely false.. that's what storage group are for

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rileyp:

oh ok sorry my bad

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Diverdude:

rileyp, in the docs it says Videos in Myth can now be stored on the backend and streamed to the frontend without a NFS or Samba mount.

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jya:

you do not have to have the videos locally

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Diverdude:

jya, and please, i have been reading docs

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Diverdude:

i have been following this guide: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo#Setting_ . . . mage_Folders

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jya:

so you two, please go and read the mythtv documentation, come back in 30 minutes and I'll help you out after :)

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Diverdude:

jya, as i said i read it

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jya:

when you say you don't see the videos

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jya:

when you start the mythtvideo

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jya:

what do you see ther?

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jya:

and there is read and "read" ...

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jya:

do you see at least a folder?

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jya:

your "videos" folder

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Diverdude:

i start mythfrontend, go to media library->watch videos and i just says no files found

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Diverdude:

i=it

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jya:

then you haven't set up your storage group properly

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Diverdude:

well, i did as explained in the manual

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jya:

also make sure that the backend has the rights to read the folders

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Diverdude:

here : http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo#Setting_ . . . mage_Folders

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Diverdude:

jya, ahh rights...that might be the problem yes

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jya:

on the backend, do ls -l /home/bdi/media/videos

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jya:

and then do:

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jya:

ps aux | grep back

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jya:

you will also find information on what could be wrong, on the backend in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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alh1987:

hi, i encountered an error running myth-music and projectM visualizations.

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alh1987:

the visualization is starting correctly after pressing the corresponding key in myth-music

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alh1987:

but after hitting ESC to return to the myth-music menu the mythfrontend crashes

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alh1987:

with the message "Failed to insert builtin function "int" into collection! Bailing..."

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alh1987:

i'm running opensuse 11.3 with the latest projectM and libvisual packages (2.0.1) installed (from packagemgmt).

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alh1987:

mythtv is built from the yesterdays HEAD. so – do you have any ideas where to dig a bit deeper?

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Diverdude:

jya, hmm doing chmod -R 777 on the media folder did not do a difference

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jya:

Diverdude, your mythbackend is running as the user mythtv. So make sure it can access it

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jya:

sure, but what about the /home/bdi

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jya:

set them as +x

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jya:

both home and /home/bdi

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Diverdude:

maybe i should just move medialibs to/home/mythtvv

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jya:

move won't change the access rights

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jya:

you will still need to set them properly

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jya:

in the frontend, you have to rescan for ne wvideos too

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jya:

in the watch videos, press menu, select the first option

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Diverdude:

hmm menu? There is no such menu inside watch videos

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jya:

press M

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jya:

if you do on the backend a tail -f /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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jya:

you will see what's wrong

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jya:

it will show an error

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Diverdude:

ahh yeah okay

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Diverdude:

moment ill try thses things

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rileyp:

VDPAU Error: Error at mythrender_vdpau.cpp:1121 (#3, An invalid handle value was provided.)

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jya:

you probably had other errors before that

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jya:

put your full log with -v playback on pastebin

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rileyp:

yes i did il lpaste bin

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jya:

where?

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rileyp:

hang on

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rileyp:

jya sory i took so long http://pastebin.com/ym0ZF0rD

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jya:

you haven't run playback there

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jya:

you need to run mythtvfrontend with -v playback as I wrote before

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jya:

actually, run it with -v audio,playback

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jya:

you also have some old pre-0.24 themes in /usr/share/mthtv/themes

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jya:

remove all old themes that aren't compatible with 0.24

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rileyp:

jya http://pastebin.com/jMKunNn4

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rileyp:

i fixed the channel icons ill remove old themes now

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jya:

sigh... why do you persist on putting only a tiny extract of the output log... put the whole log !

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jya:

especially, when each time you remove the only interesting part

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rileyp:

jya when i scrolled back up the terninal screen thats all that would come back Ill try again

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jya:

you can stop well before

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jya:

when it start spreading out errors like that

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jya:

stop it

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jya:

was this working without vdpau before?

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Diverdude:

jya, hmmm i cant seem to make it work with the videos. If i try to rescan i get "Failed to scan SG Video Hosts"

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jya:

and what error do you see in the backend then?

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rileyp:

jya http://pastebin.com/BmLi5aNi

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rileyp:

jya ist gf 8300 my bad i said 8400 before

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Diverdude:

jya, there is no error, tail -f /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log just says 2010-12–11 15:17:01.598 adding: my-mediabox as a client (events: 0) as the last line

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wagnerrp:

Diverdude: when you added folders to the Videos,Coverart,Fanart,... storage groups, you have restarted your backend since, right?

[14:19:08]

wagnerrp:

most settings in mythtv-setup will not take effect until after a backend restart

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wagnerrp:

that is the primary reason they are in mythtv-setup, rather than controlled through the frontend like recording profiles

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, aha i see....is there a restart command?

[14:20:22]

wagnerrp:

'killall mythbackend', 'mythbackend -d'?

[14:20:23]

rileyp:

just open mythtv-setup and then close it

[14:20:33]

wagnerrp:

probably better to use your init scripts

[14:20:48]

wagnerrp:

rileyp: that /only/ works on ubuntu, where they wrap everything with scripts

[14:20:59]

rileyp:

ah ok

[14:21:17]

wagnerrp:

specifically, his mythtv-setup is your mythtv-setup.real

[14:21:33]

Diverdude:

wagnerrp, well then yes i hav restarted if the backend automatically restarts after i close mythtv-setup

[14:21:48]

wagnerrp:

the 'real' mythtv-setup will warn you if the backend is running, and give you the option of closing the backend, but will not do so automatically

[14:23:08]

jya:

rileyp: does it play something without vdpau ?

[14:23:38]

Diverdude:

wagnerrp, it even runs mythfilldatabase

[14:25:21]

rileyp:

jya its a couple of issues you are seeing. 1 livetv fails unless I pause it for at least 10–15 seconds after starting.

[14:25:52]

jya:

what problem are you trying to solve here? a flickering screen?

[14:25:54]

jya:

i'm confused

[14:26:04]

jya:

you asked for something, but showed me something else

[14:26:08]

rileyp:

yes a flcikering screen

[14:26:23]

jya:

that playback you should me has no video playing

[14:26:36]

jya:

it just fails

[14:27:26]

rileyp:

I did see a picture of basketballers running around.

[14:27:41]

Diverdude:

wagnerrp, i only added a folder for videos under storage groups. That should be enough right=?

[14:27:44]

wagnerrp:

Diverdude: what runs mythfilldatabase?

[14:28:08]

wagnerrp:

Diverdude: enough for now

[14:28:13]

Diverdude:

wagnerrp, after i did mythtv-setup it asks if mythfilldatabase may run and i just say yes

[14:28:30]

wagnerrp:

if you only have a folder defined for the Videos SG, any artwork will get stuffed at the root of that storage group

[14:28:58]

wagnerrp:

it will work, but IMHO just clutters things up

[14:29:21]

wagnerrp:

and mythtv-setup doesnt run mythfilldatabase, merely suggests it if you have changed your channel lineup

[14:29:26]

Diverdude:

wagnerrp, yes it does...but i just want something to work now....i can make things nice later

[14:29:42]

wagnerrp:

if you havent messed with your lineup, there is no reason to run it

[14:29:43]

rileyp:

jya Il add your modelines and see if that fixes the flicker the issue you are looking at in the frontend log will be the live tv playback one. that has maintained itself from 0.23 fixes onto 0.24

[14:31:22]

Diverdude:

wagnerrp, right ok...but it should be able to find videos right?

[14:31:39]

jya:

rileyp: try something that plays properly (not livetv) with vdpau

[14:31:42]

wagnerrp:

if you put the folder holding the videos into the Videos group and then scan, yes

[14:31:44]

jya:

see if you still get "flickers"

[14:32:06]

Diverdude:

wagnerrp, well the videos are in subfolders of the folder i put there

[14:32:21]

Diverdude:

wagnerrp, the folder does not contain any actual avi files

[14:32:32]

wagnerrp:

thats fine, it will recurse any tree structure you give it to find known video extensions

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rileyp:

jya here is a recording http://pastebin.com/h7Xz1hui

[14:32:55]

rileyp:

I still get flickers

[14:33:19]

Diverdude:

wagnerrp, hmmm then why on earth does it say no files listed

[14:33:52]

wagnerrp:

what version are you running?

[14:33:57]

jya:

rileyp: did you use the vVDPAU Good profile ?

[14:34:03]

rileyp:

its like the horizontal hold isnt right and a pciture of teh picture playing rols up st screen slowly

[14:34:30]

rileyp:

Im on the vdpau normal profil

[14:34:32]

Diverdude:

wagnerrp, newest...i just installed from ubuntu repo

[14:34:40]

rileyp:

what profile do you suggest

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jya:

rileyp: ok that's good

[14:34:55]

jya:

didn't remember the exact name

[14:35:20]

jya:

rileyp: and that videos plays ?

[14:35:27]

jya:

you have a lot of dropped frames

[14:35:53]

jya:

change your playbakc profile to : VDPAU Slim

[14:36:42]

jya:

looks like the 8300 is too slow for the VDPAU Normal profile

[14:36:48]

rileyp:

I could probably use highest with this amd 4400 dc yes the video plays .I t may now becoase teh backend is flagging commercails at prsent and I dont normally wtch stuff thsi late time of day as my MBE is a single core atom

[14:37:21]

jya:

the processor has nothing to do with the vdpau profile you can use

[14:37:27]

jya:

it's all to do with the graphic card

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jya:

a

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jya:

nd

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jya:

t

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jya:

he

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jya:

8

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jya:

4

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jya:

3

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jya:

0

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jya:

0

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jya:

and the 8300 is slow

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rileyp:

ok so ill go to cpu ++

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, hmmm if i on my frontend go to media settings->video settings->general settings it seems that video paths are pointing to local directories. Might it be that the frontend for some reason does not know about the backend?

[14:38:10]

jya:

try vdpau slim

[14:38:54]

rileyp:

ok slim it is

[14:41:29]

wagnerrp:

Driverdude: open 'mythpython', and run this... http://mythtv.pastebin.com/qgzVxaBF

[14:41:41]

wagnerrp:

it should give you a better idea of what is happening, or not happening, during a scan

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Diverdude:

on frontend?

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wagnerrp:

anywhere

[14:42:03]

wagnerrp:

scanning is done on the backend over mythproto

[14:42:34]

Diverdude:

i think i need to install it first, moment

[14:42:41]

wagnerrp:

install it?

[14:42:49]

Diverdude:

install mythpython

[14:42:59]

wagnerrp:

you installed mythtv, the python bindings should be included as part of that

[14:43:18]

Diverdude:

hmm but there is no mythpython command

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wagnerrp:

python; import MythTV ?

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rileyp:

jya http://pastebin.com/mr9FYvDv

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, that i can do

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Diverdude:

python; import MythTV

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wagnerrp:

mythpython does do much more than that

[14:45:13]

wagnerrp:

anyway... 'from MythTV import MythLog, MythVideo'

[14:45:19]

wagnerrp:

and then run that bit i pastebinned

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jya:

rileyp: you have an AMD cpu, is it throttled right now? what cpu profile are you using, disable the throttlng

[14:47:32]

rileyp:

jya you are correct Ive always used mythbuntu but I thought Id try ubuntu desktop. Um I have no idea how to adjust cpu speed i ll look through menus ist on 1ghz bottom of screen it says

[14:47:50]

jya:

yeah, that's not enough

[14:48:52]

jya:

run cpufreq-selector -g performance

[14:49:18]

oobe:

anyone know where i can find the source code for oath that mythnetvision depends on

[14:49:50]

wagnerrp:

its in one of the grabber scripts, which are actually installed in the core

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dschan:

Hi everyone

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rileyp:

jya http://pastebin.com/cXWRu43X

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dschan:

Anyone here? I don't too often use irc...

[14:52:44]

Diverdude:

wagnerrp, hmmm i think the frontend connects to localhost, it should connect to backend

[14:52:45]

rileyp:

im on cpu setting you suggested

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oobe:

hmm ok thanks wagnerrp i have to figure out where it is then put it in my system before it will build

[14:52:59]

rileyp:

and vdpau slim

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jya:

rileyp: ahh that's better

[14:53:05]

wagnerrp:

Diverdude: your backend is on a separate machine?

[14:53:14]

Diverdude:

wagnerrp, yeah

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jya:

rileyp: try VDPAU Normal then...

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wagnerrp:

your frontend will connect to whatever backend your database tells it to

[14:53:33]

rileyp:

ok

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jya:

seems to be playing fine now.. damn AMDs

[14:53:44]

wagnerrp:

in mythtv-setup, when run on your backend

[14:53:58]

wagnerrp:

first option, first page, set the proper address for your backend on the network

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, it has the ip of the acend server already

[14:55:17]

Diverdude:

thats what i dont get

[14:55:36]

Diverdude:

local backend and master backend is set to 192.168.1.34

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wagnerrp:

Diverdude: the only other option is you have a second database set up on your frontend

[14:55:39]

Diverdude:

so it should be good

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wagnerrp:

that it is accessing

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wagnerrp:

there needs to be one single shared database between any machines you have connected to mythtv

[14:56:10]

Diverdude:

wagnerrp, yes i think that is the problem....it has installed a local DB on my frontend, but i had no chance of preventing that

[14:56:20]

rileyp:

jya http://pastebin.com/FnX8DuUn

[14:56:39]

Diverdude:

wagnerrp, it just went on and created myth user and mysql DB and everything even though i only wante a simple frontend

[14:56:56]

jya:

rileyp: seem that you're stuck on VDPAU Slim

[14:56:58]

wagnerrp:

again, that is the package manager going off and doing things

[14:57:04]

wagnerrp:

mythtv will do no such thing

[14:57:09]

jya:

otherwise, try editing the TV Playback profile

[14:57:24]

jya:

and make it use Temporal 2X (not Advanced 2X)

[14:57:32]

rileyp:

hehe you must choose mythtv-frontend from repo not mythtv

[14:57:47]

Diverdude:

wagnerrp, any idea on how i might correct it?

[14:58:10]

wagnerrp:

Diverdude: turn off the database server, fix your ~/.mythtv/config.xml

[14:58:56]

wagnerrp:

alternatively, 'mythfrontend -p' will force a prompt for your database server

[14:58:58]

dschan:

does anyone know how to compile a dvbloopback module with drivers for a (actually two) terratec cinergy s2 hd cards. got them working with s2-liplianin drivers. system: mythbuntu (mythtv 0.23; ubuntu version ??; kernel 2.6.32-26-generic-pae)

[14:58:58]

rileyp:

Temporal 2X (not Advanced 2X is that setting still in setup ?

[14:59:38]

wagnerrp:

dschan: dvbloopback only seems to be used for softcams

[14:59:44]

jya:

rileyp: it's in thes setup -> TV -> Playback

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dschan:

well...?

[15:00:02]

wagnerrp:

mythtv does not support softcams

[15:00:15]

dschan:

? never heard that ..?

[15:00:31]

jya:

in the VDPAU Normal there should be two entries, one for < 720p (to use advanced 2X), the other for > 720

[15:00:43]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Softcam

[15:00:51]

jya:

edit the < 720 one, change Advanced 2X to Temporal 2X

[15:01:37]

rileyp:

ok thanks

[15:02:09]

wagnerrp:

dschan: those cards will be supported just fine if you use their CI daughter card, and give each tuner their own dedicated module

[15:02:14]

dschan:

sorry. didnt want to insult anyone. but where can i go then?

[15:02:53]

dschan:

ci daughter card? whats that?

[15:03:01]

oobe:

yay I upgraded to .24 that was easy

[15:03:11]

wagnerrp:

http://www.terratec.net/en/products/Cinergy_S . . . CI_1892.html

[15:03:12]

oobe:

i just need to fix my build scripts

[15:03:14]

Diverdude:

wagnerrp, would that be the /home/logged in user og /home/mythtv user /config.xml ?

[15:03:32]

wagnerrp:

the daughter card is that second slot in the picture, the one that connects to the tuner over a ribbon cable

[15:04:05]

wagnerrp:

it accepts the conditional access module you get from your satellite provider

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wagnerrp:

if your tuner card has a CI slot, with an installed module, mythtv is able to use it to decrypt your subscribed channels

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wagnerrp:

if you just got the base version, it seems terratec sells the CI module separately

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dschan:

thx and sorry for being slow .. :) . Now, If I had one daughter card (with CAM) and two tuner cards, I should be able to use them on both tuners using sasc, wouldn't I? btw: thy 4 yr help, wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

if you had one daughter card and one CAM, you would be able to use it with one tuner

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not support softcams

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wagnerrp:

nor does it support card sharing as you just described

[15:07:35]

wagnerrp:

this is all in that IRC rules page i just linked to

[15:07:43]

dschan:

any less official place i can ask for help?

[15:08:07]

wagnerrp:

nope

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter where you go, but you cant discuss it here

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mzb:

I'm experimenting with encoding my music video collection with handbrake

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rileyp:

jya what do I change the decoder too as vdpau only allows vdpau

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dschan:

alright – cheers, though...

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mzb:

I've got a nice little nautilus script that's doing the job for me

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dschan:

bye

[15:09:13]

mzb:

can anyone using handbrake suggest a good bitrate/quality for conversion?

[15:09:25]

rileyp:

and I couldnt find advanced or temporal in either lib or std decoder

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mzb:

I'm currently using 800kb and wondering if it's going to be too low

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wagnerrp:

mzb: for h264, standard definition?

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jya:

rileyp: you have to edit the profile

[15:10:15]

wagnerrp:

better to just set a quantizer and single pass

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mzb:

wagnerrp: yes, mostly sd

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jya:

the vdpau one

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wagnerrp:

let the encode decide how much bitrate it wants

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mzb:

I'm using handbrakecli

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mzb:

sure, what quantizer do you suggest?

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mzb:

iirc the default is 20

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jya:

rileyp: it's in the deinterlacer option

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wagnerrp:

20 is pretty good for x264

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rileyp:

jya ill trey another theme as this bloody theme greys out the box your attempting to modify.....

[15:11:52]

wagnerrp:

anything better (lower) than 18 is generally considered to be perceivably lossless

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rileyp:

and you have to swicth away from teh box to see what you have changed it too

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rileyp:

its all so easy

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mzb:

oh ... change that, it's not 800kb, I've got --quality 20

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mzb:

ok ... so I'm getting *great* compression on 20, but noticing artefacts on some videos (if my head is 1' away from the screen;)

[15:13:30]

mzb:

maybe I'd be better off running it all at 18?

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staylo:

Hi all, I've got a remote control that came with my Tevii S630, it generates keycodes greater than 255 so I've installed the modified xf86-input-evdev driver as in the wiki. However the remaps I've made in xorg.conf don't appear to have an effect. I'm not sure how to debug further. Does anyone have any experience with this model or with the modified evdev driver?

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wagnerrp:

mzb: your bitrate will rapidly ramp up below 20

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mzb:

yeah, I figured

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wagnerrp:

from 20 to 18, it may double

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mzb:

gee

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mzb:

ok, I'd better retest video sizes/etc

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mzb:

thanks

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** mzb heads to bed **

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i think im going to co-opt the mythsystem branch for the initial jobqueue changes

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wagnerrp:

not the big changes, but migrating it to using the MythSystem class directly, and running threadless

[15:19:08]

wagnerrp:

and adding a real scheduler

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wagnerrp:

and kicking it out of mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

and... all really simple stuff... really

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rileyp:

jya thnaks for all your help Its bedtime for me. I havent been able to find setting like those that you speak since 0.22 But I have been mistaken on more than a few occasions....

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rileyp:

cheers night all

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, i changed the config file but it still attempts to connect to localhost

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wagnerrp:

Diverdude: then you changed the wrong one

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wagnerrp:

how have you been starting mythfrontend?

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, i changed both

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, just by running mythfrontend from commandline

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wagnerrp:

is 'mythfrontend' a binary or a script that calls mythfrontend.real?

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wagnerrp:

if its a script, does it set 'HOME' or 'MYTHCONFDIR'?

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, its a long script it seems

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wagnerrp:

see if it changes one of those values

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wagnerrp:

and you will need to change the config files in the location it points to

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wagnerrp:

__or__

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wagnerrp:

run 'mythfrontend -p', and change it through the dialog

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, neither are set in that script

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Diverdude:

HOME is used but not set

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Diverdude:

lol, it actually found my backend server (although 2 times, i just chose one of them) it still cannot find videos

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wagnerrp:

try the python script, or crank up the verbosity on the frontend

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Diverdude:

using -v ?

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wagnerrp:

try 'socket,extra'

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wagnerrp:

you want both parts of the communication when talking to the backend

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Diverdude:

how do i try socket,extra?

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wagnerrp:

-v socket,extra

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wagnerrp:

or, you can use that python script to the same effect

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Diverdude:

hmm its difficult to see whats going wrong

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Diverdude:

when i run the python script it is quite clear that it tries to connect to localhost

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wagnerrp:

does it say it read that from a file?

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wagnerrp:

the database config, that is

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wagnerrp:

give me the first 100 lines of the output

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wagnerrp:

you can blank the password if you want

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Diverdude:

the output of the script?

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wagnerrp:

pastebin it

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Diverdude:

ok,moment

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oobe:

anyone know how i can fix this "MythNetvision requires the Python OAuth library"

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wagnerrp:

install the Python OAuth library

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oobe:

yea i dont know where to find it this looks like it http://oauth.googlecode.com/svn/code/python/oauth/ but if it is it i dont know where to put it

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wagnerrp:

have you unpacked it?

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oobe:

unpacked what

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oobe:

its just a python script

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wagnerrp:

no, its a python module

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wagnerrp:

you have the source on your machine?

[16:41:07]

wagnerrp:

there should be a 'setup.py' somewhere

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oobe:

yea i do have the source

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wagnerrp:

run 'python setup.py install'

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oobe:

ok thanks

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oobe:

thanks wagnerrp that is working

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: are you around?

[16:55:57]

castlec:

how might i set mythfrontend to auto restart?

[16:56:39]

wagnerrp:

anyway, the frontend control socket is failing to play mythvideo content

[16:56:51]

wagnerrp:

because you cannot pass the storage group to the command

[16:57:27]

wagnerrp:

the '@' gets filtered out since it is not an acceptable character in programs/mythfrontend/networkcontrol.cpp:419

[16:57:33]

wagnerrp:

seems a simple fix

[16:58:06]

wagnerrp:

but i dont know if there was reason for this, or if it is just a character you just overlooked

[16:59:25]

wagnerrp:

from the looks of it, that also means you cannot directly play any content with UTF-8 characters in the name

[17:01:11]

oobe:

castlec, right a small script that restarts the frontend and bind it to your remote #!/bin/bash killall mythfrontend && mythfrontend -l /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log

[17:01:26]

oobe:

then use irexec to run it

[17:01:50]

wagnerrp:

he wants it to auto-start on a failure

[17:01:53]

wagnerrp:

not restart on command

[17:02:03]

wagnerrp:

castlec: how do you start up your frontend?

[17:02:31]

castlec:

right now manually. i get off my lazy tail and go make a few mouseclicks

[17:02:47]

castlec:

when I need to reload a plugin, I have to stop and get off my butt again

[17:03:00]

wagnerrp:

meaning you are using a normal window manager?

[17:03:11]

castlec:

yup. mythbuntu default

[17:03:12]

wagnerrp:

does that mean this machine is also being used as a desktop?

[17:03:34]

castlec:

no, it's a diskless frontend

[17:03:46]

wagnerrp:

then what mythbuntu does is hugely overkill

[17:04:14]

castlec:

i won't claim otherwise

[17:04:23]

wagnerrp:

scrap xfce, disable gdm

[17:04:27]

castlec:

it can function as a regular desktop. i don' tuse it that way though

[17:04:36]

wagnerrp:

add a few lines to your inittab to autologin to your user and startx

[17:04:59]

wagnerrp:

add a few lines to your xinitrc to load a basic window manager in the background, and then run mythfrontend as the controlling process

[17:05:19]

wagnerrp:

if your frontend closes, your terminal manager automatically starts it back up

[17:06:01]

wagnerrp:

if your frontend is crashing, it will after a short period hit a restart limiter, and dump you to a normal login terminal

[17:06:25]

castlec:

ok. I shall save all of that info for later. too much for now as it will distract me from my plugin

[17:06:33]

castlec:

thanks :)

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wagnerrp:

not really

[17:06:45]

wagnerrp:

a few lines in a few files

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt take more than a few minutes

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_Auto_Login#inittab

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castlec:

yeah, but i'll want to do it from my diskless image

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castlec:

which involves rebuilding the image, etc

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JEDIDIAH__:

You can also just set your X login manager (gdm,kdm,xdm) to log into your mythtv user and set up your mythtv user session to start mytthv.

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JEDIDIAH__:

mythbuntu does that.

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: but if you close mythfrontend, you simply end up in xfce

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wagnerrp:

if you close xfce, you end up at a login prompt

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wagnerrp:

that route only works the first time on boot

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JEDIDIAH__:

It depends on the *dm configuration and how your X session is setup.

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wagnerrp:

you can set up gdm to automatically log back in after you log out?

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wagnerrp:

what for?

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wagnerrp:

at that point, there is exactly zero point to even have a login manager installed

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wagnerrp:

unless its needed for some XDMCP reasons

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wagnerrp:

and remote login is almost always disabled these days

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo/xris/someone-who-knows-git: i just backported a change from trunk to 0.24, but it doesnt show up on the network graph

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wagnerrp:

do those interconnections only show up when you do a full merge?

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paul-h:

!seen RDV_Linux

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MythLogBot:

RDV_Linux was last seen 20 hours 30 minutes 34 seconds ago

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paul-h:

iamlindoro: Do you know if RDV_Linux is still interested in controlling the music player through MythBrowser for MNV?

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iamlindoro:

paul-h, I know he's still interested, but I think we had talked more about directly controlling the music player (ie, no mythbrowser involvement)

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iamlindoro:

that is to say, being able to feed the media handler a URL for an mp3 file or whatever and having it be playable/controllable-- but I'm sure he'd be happy either way, and we'd figure it out

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paul-h:

iamlindoro: ok thanks, I'm just looking at controlling the player by sending it some MythEvents so it can be made to work through JavaScript on a web page in MythBrowser or through the network control if the relevant command are added or even a custom screen in MNV.

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iamlindoro:

paul-h, Ah, cool-- I'm sure we could make it work-- if anything, we could use mythbrowser to present a custom HTML interface/metadata/etc., so there would be advantages

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paul-h:

I thought that's what RDV_Linux was planning on doing when I last talked to him

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Brad-D:

afternoon gang

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Brad-D:

i'm trying to compile the myth.24 source for a nettop i purchased. Jetway Atom D525, with Nvidio ion (9400M) card. It tells me on ./configure that vdpau support is disabled. Any idea on how i can get more information on what it is getting disabled?

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Brad-D:

before i purchased the box, i went to the vdpau wiki and checked the 9400M would work with vdpau. Was I just an idiot, and bought the wrong hardware? lol

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sphery:

Brad-D: almost always because your (nvidia proprietary) drivers aren't properly installed

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Brad-D:

well that's good to hear. When i booted up the computer, i went to the nvidia website, downloaded the drivers, and installed. my glxgears score jumped dramatically (And I disabled nouvaeu)

[20:18:46]

Brad-D:

any common mistakes on the nvidia drivers?

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sphery:

deps are listed as vdpau/vdpau.h , vdpau/vdpau_x11.h

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sphery:

libvdpau >= 0.2

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sphery:

and in my case, when I installed the nvidia drivers using the nvidia installer, it uninstalled libvdpau from my system

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sphery:

so I needed to install libvdpau /after/ installing nvidia drivers

[20:20:38]

sphery:

(re-install, that is)

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Brad-D:

hmmmm interesting

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, @ and any other valid chars can be added to that. if it breaks UTF-8, then it might be best to just remove that. I can't recall why we're filtering characters there.

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Brad-D:

so i have a bunch of /usr/llib/libdvpau.so, so.1, so.1.0.0's sitting around

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Brad-D:

no vdpau_x11.h file anywhere on the system, and vdpau.h is in one of my mythdirs under /external/FFmpeg/livavcodec/vdpau.h

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sphery:

sounds like you need to uninstall libvdpau, then install libvdpau 0.2+

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Brad-D:

okay will do, and not to ask too stupid a question, but where do you go to find that? Can i get that done in yum? Or it's an nvidia website on thing?

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, that won't help users with spaces in their filenames though.

[20:27:14]

Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, err, might not. I may have some code to append all extra args in there. not sure.

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sphery:

Brad-D: The official home page for the FOSS libvdpau library is http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/VDPAU and code is at http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~aplattner/libvdpau/ , but there should be a package for your distro, and--in truth--the distro should do the right thing when installing nvidia proprietary drivers. So, I suggest talking with someone who knows your distro to try to figure out why it's doing the wrong thing. ...

[20:28:50]

sphery:

... FWIW, the current libvdpau is 0.4.1

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Brad-D:

thanks sphery, appreciate all the guidance!

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, I replied on-list as well. The Storage Group in that URL is totally optionall, you don't need to specify one since the Storage Group fallback code will find the file you are trying to play. I probably didn't test with a Storage Group name when I tested that code a long time ago. Also didn't test anything with a space in the filename.

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Brad-D:

got it sphery! you were right, i was just missing the devel files. you rock.

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: from the logs, it seems to be sending the whole string into the player, all except for the @ anyway

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wagnerrp:

spaces dont cause it problems

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lyricnz:

Hmmm, can't seem to get mythvideo working. Maybe since 0.24

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lyricnz:

Does it stream now, rather than accessing a file share?

[21:35:47]

wagnerrp:

it has streamed since 0.22

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wagnerrp:

it has never accessed a file share

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lyricnz:

I'm not sure I believe that. I've always had to have a working local file-share in order to get mythvideo working. Is something misconfigured?

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lyricnz:

I've got a very very old install, that's been updated through many versions – some of it's configuration is probably "legacy", heheh

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wagnerrp:

'file share' implies that mythtv can interface directly to nfs or samba

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wagnerrp:

which it cannot and never had been able to do

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lyricnz:

no, I mount it myself at the OS layer

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wagnerrp:

prior to 0.22, it could only access the file system

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lyricnz:

and the path on the mythbackend is the same as the frontend

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lyricnz:

yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

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wagnerrp:

whether those were local or remote mounts didnt matter

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wagnerrp:

with 0.22, mythvideo now supports storage groups

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wagnerrp:

which lets you define storage paths on the backend

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wagnerrp:

which are then shared out to any connected frontend

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wagnerrp:

but there has not been any automatic conversion to use such

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lyricnz:

Yeah, I never used storage groups, though I played with them a little – all it seemed to do is create duplicates

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wagnerrp:

if it created duplicates, then you didnt not follow directions

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lyricnz:

almost certainly :)

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lyricnz:

I probably have old-style and new-style both

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lyricnz:

'cause loosing all my metadata would be a big pain

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lyricnz:

But... right now, neither works

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wagnerrp:

starting with 0.23, you will not lose all your metadata

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo content is hashed

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wagnerrp:

and if you find matching data in a new location, it simply shifts the location

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lyricnz:

Looking at the console of mythfrontend, it looks like it's attempting to connect to backend (for streaming)

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wagnerrp:

only if your data has a host listed, indicating it is to be accessed over storage groups

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lyricnz:

Okay, so it seems like I need to sort out storage stuff, sure. Unrelated to broken playback?

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wagnerrp:

storage groups or no has no effect on playback

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lyricnz:

that's what I thought

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wagnerrp:

starting with 0.24, DVD ISOs, VIDEO_TV folders, and BDMV folders are all supported over storage groups

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lyricnz:

I'm just trying to play basic avi's, which were working fine a month or two ago, when I last used it.

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lyricnz:

probably went 0.24 in the middle

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lyricnz:

currently on release-0-24-fixes, svn revision 27317

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lyricnz:

wagnerrp: so, I should be able to stream all mythvideo content, without mounting shares now? and all my content should be in storage groups?

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wagnerrp:

not until you set up storage groups and rescan

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wagnerrp:

it will take time, as your 'new' content will have to be hashed, and matched up to your existing video

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lyricnz:

I *think* I have storage groups set up – will fire up mythtvsetup to check

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wagnerrp:

if you have them set up, then just scan

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wagnerrp:

it will prefer the SG locations over local paths

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lyricnz:

I get the content showing up twice on frontend – looking at the logs, it appears that one copy is the storage group, and the other is the old-style filesystem

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: the only merges that will show are full branch merges. Your cherry-picked change should show up, but with no linkage to the other branch visible

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skd5aner:

!url logs

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MythLogBot:

logs: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1

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lyricnz:

how to disable opengl painter for mythtvsetup?

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: any recommendations for searching the logs besides google site search?

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lyricnz:

nm, googled it :)

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Beirdo:

there is a search functionality but it needs work

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Beirdo:

!help search

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lyricnz:

okay, I have storage groups (still), and umounted local shares. This removed the duplicates. However (as expected) playback still doesn't work...

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Beirdo:

wow, I'm still tired

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lyricnz:

No stream found to handle url myth://Videos@192.168.1.31:6543/Movies/Title/Title.avi

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lyricnz:

no stream found? sorry?

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lyricnz:

hmmm, if I set videos player to "internal" it says "sh: internal: command not found"

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lyricnz:

isn't that how we tell myth to use a built in player? (since presumably mplayer doesn't support myth:// protocol)

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lyricnz:

Ah-ha. Fixed!

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lyricnz:

Internal with capital I :)

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castlec:

how can i check the library version I'm using?

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castlec:

my frontend is complaining that i've compiled against a different version

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J-e-f-f-A:

castlec: mythfrontend --version

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castlec:

thanks J-e-f-f-A. now i just need to figure out how my libs are out of synch

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J-e-f-f-A:

castlec: installing from source? Maybe you forgot to do the /sudo/ldconfig ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

castlec: er... "sudo /sbin/ldconfig"

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, ldconfig is run by make install

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iamlindoro:

it's not a step any user needs to take

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iamlindoro:

mismatched libraries are almost always caused by a failure to distclean/rebuild plugins when the core myth library API version changes

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro Humm... strange, I've had to run it manually occasionally... ^^ ah, distclean, that's why. doh!

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