| Tuesday, December 7th, 2010, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: tomorrow, you'll be back to your 7 or 8 kudos (or whatever) and have a much more sensible rank |
| [00:00:39] | wagnerrp: | i think i was at 7 |
| [00:00:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah, same thing happened last time i claimed them |
| [00:01:02] | sphery: | yeah |
| [00:01:16] | wagnerrp: | was at 7, claimed them, dropped to 1, then back to 7 |
| [00:01:20] | sphery: | didn't know if you had done it before |
| [00:01:40] | stuartm: | incidentally that's why we have so many pubs bearing names like "White Hart", "Red Lion", publicans renamed their premises in honour of the Kings and Queens who passed through or stayed a night at their Inn :) |
| [00:02:09] | ** stuartm renames the channel #english-history ** | |
| [00:03:39] | skd5aner: | stuartm: sorry, stepped away – Yea, I had the pleasure of visiting for about a week a few years ago |
| [00:03:47] | stuartm: | this was all when Kings and Queens were more than meaningless figureheads |
| [00:03:50] | skd5aner: | London :) |
| [00:04:11] | kormoc: | you have to claim commits? I figured it just mapped them to my user name |
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| [00:04:50] | stuartm: | kormoc: that would only work if no-one else in the world shared the same username |
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| [00:06:02] | skd5aner: | stuartm: it was a nice visit, would like to come back and get out of the city sometime |
| [00:06:57] | stuartm: | wagnerrp, kormoc: when you claim your commits it has to recalculate your kudos and it drops back to 1 while your in the queue |
| [00:06:57] | wagnerrp: | is there any advantage of setting up a local git server? |
| [00:07:10] | kormoc: | stuartm, I told ohloh that I was 'kormoc' on mythtv, doesn't it then go automatically? |
| [00:07:15] | wagnerrp: | yeah, figured as much |
| [00:07:28] | kormoc: | and it looks like I lost all mine, it used to have them all but they're gone now |
| [00:07:34] | ** kormoc wonders how to claim commits ** | |
| [00:07:55] | iamlindoro: | a tiny flag and a pithy remark |
| [00:08:03] | iamlindoro: | "I claim these commits for the queen of Spain." |
| [00:08:07] | kormoc: | Woo! |
| [00:08:21] | stuartm: | skd5aner: not a big fan of London personally, outside of the touristy areas, it's a vast concrete wasteland and I'm more of countryside/mountains/outdoors type |
| [00:08:54] | stuartm: | kormoc: it was reset when we switched to git because under git you're no longer kormoc, you're "Rob Smith" |
| [00:09:42] | kormoc: | yeah, I see that now |
| [00:09:43] | stuartm: | click on your name in the contributors list, on the right near the top should be a "I am this person" button |
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| [00:10:41] | skd5aner: | stuartm: yea, for the most part same here – but foreign lands are always pretty exciting, especially ones with historical significance... American's don't get to grow up near cities or villages that have been on the map for centuries ;) |
| [00:11:14] | stuartm: | there's an element of trust in ohloh, anyone could claim commits which don't belong to them :/ |
| [00:11:22] | skd5aner: | MINE! |
| [00:11:25] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [00:11:31] | kormoc: | Yeah |
| [00:11:32] | skd5aner: | alright... time to go watch zombies |
| [00:11:34] | kormoc: | I'm Linus! |
| [00:11:45] | wagnerrp: | wiki commits are already claimed |
| [00:11:54] | wagnerrp: | :P |
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| [00:12:18] | skd5aner: | or, "walkers" if I want to follow the actual writer's naming preference for undead people |
| [00:12:49] | mzb: | in a user job is there a method of determining which frontend executed it? |
| [00:13:32] | sphery: | backends execute user jobs |
| [00:13:38] | sphery: | (or mythjobqueue hosts) |
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| [00:15:54] | ** Beirdo shakes his fist at asterisk ** | |
| [00:15:55] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [00:16:36] | Beirdo: | been one of those days |
| [00:20:35] | ** jya loves Asterisk... ** | |
| [00:20:58] | ** wagnerrp has been meaning to set up Asterisk one of these days ** | |
| [00:21:06] | ** wagnerrp has had the hardware to do it for three years now ** | |
| [00:21:06] | ** jya wonders what ohloh stands for ** | |
| [00:21:15] | ** jya discovers the /me command ** | |
| [00:21:26] | iamlindoro: | COMBO BREAKER |
| [00:22:01] | Beirdo: | yeah well, trying to get this beast running with more open file max.... |
| [00:22:12] | Beirdo: | I think I may have found the fix |
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| [00:22:33] | sphery: | I can't believe Beirdo is slacking off and doing his day job instead of MythTV stuff |
| [00:22:46] | sphery: | priorities... |
| [00:22:56] | Beirdo: | hehhe |
| [00:22:57] | sphery: | (should be set by the dev, not by the reporter) |
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| [00:24:35] | Beirdo: | should be set by the PM, not the dev |
| [00:24:42] | Beirdo: | oh wait, we don't have those |
| [00:24:43] | sphery: | heh |
| [00:25:00] | sphery: | you want the Prime Minister to set our priorities? |
| [00:25:02] | sphery: | ;) |
| [00:25:09] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [00:25:19] | skd5aner: | heh believe Beirdo is slacking off and doing his day job instead of MythTV stuff |
| [00:25:30] | skd5aner: | oops, stupid auto copy |
| [00:25:32] | Beirdo: | come on, asterisk... you can do it |
| [00:25:37] | sphery: | heh |
| [00:25:44] | sphery: | I thought there was an echo |
| [00:26:00] | skd5aner: | let's try this again – http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/05/irate-cash4gold-lett.html |
| [00:26:04] | Beirdo: | success! |
| [00:26:12] | Beirdo: | until it died |
| [00:27:06] | Beirdo: | had 149 concurrent calls, and asterisk exited |
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| [00:32:34] | ** wagnerrp wonders what skd5aner was doing in tibet with a legless hooker from singapore ** | |
| [00:33:31] | skd5aner: | which part doesn't make sense? |
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| [00:37:07] | obengdako: | hi guys got my trident tm6000 to be loaded however how do i get the audio stream? |
| [00:37:31] | obengdako: | how do i listen to the audio from the usb box? |
| [00:37:52] | wagnerrp: | assuming its a digital tuner, the audio and video stream are both contained in the mpeg file it produces |
| [00:38:05] | obengdako: | oh really? |
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| [00:38:28] | wagnerrp: | or if its analog, you really should consider an mpeg encoder instead |
| [00:38:48] | obengdako: | then how do i get them do i have to use mencoder to record then play simultaneously? |
| [00:39:03] | obengdako: | well it is for analog tv |
| [00:39:58] | obengdako: | wagnerrp, and from earlier i finally got my card to work except now i need to get the audio stream |
| [00:40:26] | obengdako: | i modprobe tm6000 after i had the firmware files into /lib/firmware wagnerrp |
| [00:40:28] | wagnerrp: | if youre using a framegrabber, you need to tell mythbackend where the audio device is |
| [00:41:12] | obengdako: | actually i can't even tell where the audio device is any command line tool to get me to see the audio devices? |
| [00:41:37] | wagnerrp: | 'dmesg' should tell you what device nodes were mapped to the device |
| [00:43:45] | obengdako: | well it doesn't really state but let me check again |
| [00:45:30] | jya: | skd5aner: there's a link to http://www.suckerchump.com/suckerchump.com/LETTERS.html on that page |
| [00:45:35] | jya: | this is hilarious |
| [00:45:46] | jya: | love the museum of modern art letter |
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| [00:53:51] | skd5aner: | jya: hmmmm, that guy is way lewd... |
| [00:54:03] | skd5aner: | jya: but I'm shocked these people write back and actually quote him |
| [00:55:15] | skd5aner: | eh, I'm begining to think the replies are made up |
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| [00:56:14] | wagnerrp: | i figured it was made up to begin with... but humorous none the less |
| [00:57:06] | skd5aner: | well, until I knew there were others I totally believed the cash4gold one was real |
| [00:58:32] | wagnerrp: | remember the one several months back where some secretary quit her job and posted a series of images showing it was because he boss called her a 'HPOA' and played farmville all day? |
| [00:58:57] | wagnerrp: | some hired model, and a web site trying to drum up traffic with a fake story |
| [00:59:50] | Wicked: | bah. livetv on mythtv still does not work :| |
| [01:00:02] | Wicked: | but all my recordings get recorded |
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| [01:00:45] | ** sphery thinks you may be over-generalizing ** | |
| [01:00:48] | Wicked: | whats even weirder is that livetv does work in xbmc....but then i dont get the nice osd in livetv |
| [01:01:07] | wagnerrp: | what is it doing? |
| [01:01:19] | Wicked: | ive tried getting livetv to work again a few times...i get the timeout |
| [01:01:23] | Wicked: | sec let me try to get some logs |
| [01:01:54] | sphery: | what recorder type? |
| [01:01:59] | Wicked: | frontend logs http://pastebin.ca/2012488 |
| [01:02:04] | Wicked: | a pvr-150 |
| [01:02:15] | sphery: | have you modified your timeouts? |
| [01:02:17] | Wicked: | capturing svideo from my stb |
| [01:02:20] | Wicked: | nope |
| [01:02:32] | Wicked: | everythings default in that regard |
| [01:02:38] | sphery: | with 0.24, you may need to do so since the signal monitor is waiting on your channel change script |
| [01:02:45] | sphery: | so bump them up |
| [01:02:49] | sphery: | in mythtv-setup |
| [01:02:57] | Wicked: | im still no 0.23 |
| [01:03:10] | Wicked: | but i did try 0.24 and the problem was still there |
| [01:03:21] | Wicked: | but i since downgraded to 0.23 |
| [01:03:59] | sphery: | then I'd guess your livetv recording profile may be broken |
| [01:04:12] | Wicked: | hmm |
| [01:04:26] | Wicked: | i dont watch alot of livetv so i cannot pinpoint when it stopped working |
| [01:04:37] | Wicked: | but i suspect it broke in 0.22 |
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| [01:06:21] | Wicked: | where in mythtv-setup would it be? |
| [01:06:42] | Wicked: | i dont see anything under capture card |
| [01:07:09] | skd5aner: | all those OTA people, stealing from the cable companies... pirates |
| [01:07:42] | wagnerrp: | any idea what this wiki update is for? http://mythtv.org/wiki?title=USB-UIRT&dif . . . ;oldid=29718 |
| [01:07:56] | skd5aner: | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/06/business/me . . . ml?src=busln – slow news day |
| [01:08:01] | wagnerrp: | it seems /awfully/ long to just say 'now it works again' |
| [01:08:04] | skd5aner: | alright, now it's zombie time ;) |
| [01:08:11] | wagnerrp: | zombie time? |
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| [01:08:29] | skd5aner: | off to watch "The Walking Dead" |
| [01:08:33] | Wicked: | sphery, any ideas what would break the recording profile? |
| [01:08:35] | skd5aner: | season finale |
| [01:08:42] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Should be nuked just for use of the passive voice |
| [01:08:49] | Wicked: | ive been using this same old mythtv db for about 2 years |
| [01:08:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i need to get my analog tuners working again |
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| [01:10:45] | Wicked: | yea i dont see any kinda options to set a timeout in mythtv-setup |
| [01:11:11] | wagnerrp: | theyre in the card input settings |
| [01:11:26] | Wicked: | yea. for the pvr-150 there was no option |
| [01:11:34] | wagnerrp: | there is on my -150 |
| [01:11:42] | wagnerrp: | at least for the tuner input |
| [01:11:47] | wagnerrp: | dont know about the capture inputs |
| [01:12:43] | wagnerrp: | bleh... |
| [01:12:55] | Wicked: | under ivtv mp3g2 encoder card...there is only 2 configurable things. the device(/dev/video0) and default input(svideo) |
| [01:12:57] | Wicked: | err |
| [01:13:05] | wagnerrp: | on tv tonight... The Sing-Off, Skating With the Stars, and American Country Awards |
| [01:13:06] | Wicked: | ivtv mpeg2 |
| [01:13:25] | wagnerrp: | what about under the card input settings? |
| [01:13:38] | Wicked: | nope |
| [01:13:44] | Wicked: | no kinda timeout options |
| [01:13:49] | wagnerrp: | you just described the capture card settings |
| [01:13:57] | wagnerrp: | the card inputs are a completely different section |
| [01:14:03] | Wicked: | under input connections |
| [01:14:05] | Wicked: | for my card |
| [01:14:09] | Wicked: | i see: |
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| [01:14:27] | wagnerrp: | you should see five different options |
| [01:14:33] | wagnerrp: | tuner, and four capture inputs |
| [01:14:35] | Wicked: | name, video source, channel changer, preset tuner to channel, starting channel |
| [01:14:48] | wagnerrp: | at least in the tuner, you have the option of changing the timeouts |
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| [01:14:54] | Wicked: | the next page shows: |
| [01:14:58] | wagnerrp: | i presume those same things exist for capture inputs |
| [01:15:01] | Wicked: | priority |
| [01:15:05] | Wicked: | input group |
| [01:15:13] | Wicked: | hmm |
| [01:15:20] | Wicked: | i do not see any kinda timeout settings |
| [01:15:50] | wagnerrp: | ah, it was in the capture card setup |
| [01:16:02] | wagnerrp: | i figured that kind of thing would be set per input, not per card |
| [01:16:09] | ** Beirdo proceeds to lose it ** | |
| [01:16:11] | sphery: | Wicked: you won't see them in 0.23 since they didnt' apply |
| [01:16:21] | sphery: | Wicked: so it's likely your livetv recording profile |
| [01:16:26] | Wicked: | lol well now theres my problem! |
| [01:16:33] | Wicked: | hmm |
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| [01:17:21] | sphery: | Wicked: compare the recording profile with your non-Live TV recording profiles and change whatever's different |
| [01:17:43] | Wicked: | the livetv is the same exact setup as my default one |
| [01:18:49] | Wicked: | well the default profile has a slightly higher max bitrate(7000) compared to livetvs(6400) |
| [01:18:57] | Wicked: | other then that they are the exact same |
| [01:19:23] | Wicked: | same stream type. same aspect and resolution. same audio options |
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| [01:21:10] | Wicked: | id really prefer to use mythfrontend for livetv over xbmc since mythtv has nice osd and program info....but i just cannot get it working |
| [01:21:13] | Wicked: | :( |
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| [01:24:10] | Wicked: | i just cut the bitrate for livetv to half of what it originally was....still no go |
| [01:24:25] | Wicked: | video frame buffering failed too many times |
| [01:24:39] | Wicked: | so its not that i dont think |
| [01:27:47] | Wicked: | oh well i guess. ill just use xbmc since it works for now :( |
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| [01:48:01] | Beirdo: | success! |
| [01:48:05] | Beirdo: | yay yay yay |
| [01:48:16] | Beirdo: | still feel like breaking stuff though :) |
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| [02:27:44] | russell5: | so my remote stops working randomlly and i have to hit ok button(for example) 10+ times really quickly before the computer acknowledges it received an input. |
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| [02:28:00] | russell5: | this happens with a fresh install of ubuntu and mythtv |
| [02:28:12] | russell5: | also with my current setup. i assume this is a hardware problem |
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| [02:30:15] | wagnerrp: | maybe, open up 'irw' and see if it has the same behavior |
| [02:30:30] | russell5: | yeah nothing in irw or mode2 |
| [02:31:40] | [R]: | haha |
| [02:31:45] | [R]: | they DO have an RSS for southparkstudios |
| [02:31:49] | russell5: | could also be a ubuntu thing. (mythbuntu is my current setup) and i am migrating to a ubuntu setup with mythtv compiled form source |
| [02:31:56] | wagnerrp: | you said they did yesterday |
| [02:32:33] | [R]: | no... |
| [02:33:45] | [R]: | iamlindoro: you there? |
| [02:34:23] | wagnerrp: | if theyve got an rss feed, you can probably put the rss feed straight into MNV for basic support |
| [02:34:46] | [R]: | yeah, except it looks like the rss feed has items for each "part" of the video |
| [02:34:52] | [R]: | so tahts not gonna work |
| [02:35:02] | [R]: | my grabber is working great with the json stuff i parsed |
| [02:35:19] | wagnerrp: | although 0.25 is likely to have some framework for defining how to control a flash player in the grabbers |
| [02:35:35] | wagnerrp: | there were some mythbrowser commits earlier today to that effect |
| [02:35:39] | [R]: | i saw |
| [02:36:00] | biffhero: | wagnerrp: will it work the same way I control my wife and kids? Keep repeating the demands, just louder and slower each time. |
| [02:36:21] | wagnerrp: | biffhero: no, mythtv does not currently have Kinect support |
| [02:36:21] | [R]: | basically it looks like the flashplayer loads the rss feed for the episode, and its got 3 "<item>"'s where each has the url of the part of the video, and the url of the ad for that part |
| [02:36:37] | [R]: | aparently if it can't load the ad... it just skips it completely |
| [02:36:54] | biffhero: | [6:36] <wagnerrp> biffhero: no, mythtv does not currently have Kinect support <<< yeah, when we flip it the bird, it just shuts straight off. |
| [02:37:17] | wagnerrp: | well sure, you pissed it off |
| [02:37:30] | [R]: | no, it skips the ad |
| [02:37:32] | [R]: | and acts like its not there |
| [02:37:37] | wagnerrp: | thats grounds for loss of consortium |
| [02:38:05] | biffhero: | sounds like my wife. "[6:37] <[R]> and acts like its not there" sure we don't have kinect support? |
| [02:38:15] | biffhero: | oh, and you can't lose what you don't have. |
| [02:38:25] | [R]: | biffhero: ? |
| [02:38:41] | biffhero: | [6:37] <wagnerrp> thats grounds for loss of consortium <<< [6:38] <biffhero> oh, and you can't lose what you don't have. |
| [02:40:00] | wagnerrp: | why are you not installing lirc_i2c.... |
| [02:41:13] | Wicked: | for what its worth xbmc has a plugin for southpark studios that works awesome. maybe you can see how they are doing it |
| [02:42:58] | Wicked: | southpark studios is pretty awesome too...they put episodes on it very shortly after airing...in hd. So i can get better quality then my pvr-150 by streaming it |
| [02:44:36] | [R]: | Wicked: i've already done it |
| [02:44:55] | wagnerrp: | and because of the nature of the content, it compresses very well, and doesnt look like complete crap streamed through flash |
| [02:45:04] | wagnerrp: | (it looks like complete crap all the time... :P) |
| [02:45:23] | [R]: | lol |
| [02:49:47] | [R]: | thats lame |
| [02:49:53] | [R]: | the xbmc plugin has hardcoded 1–15 |
| [02:49:56] | [R]: | for the seasons |
| [02:50:29] | [R]: | looks like its doing it similar to how i am |
| [02:51:07] | wagnerrp: | if you know its static content, thats generally the easier way to do it |
| [02:51:26] | wagnerrp: | just a bit tedious with >200 episodes |
| [02:53:01] | [R]: | well my script still needs tweaking... it need to take the "donotair" episodes into account |
| [02:53:05] | [R]: | and i need to figure out if its legal or not |
| [02:53:46] | wagnerrp: | what the crap |
| [02:53:54] | wagnerrp: | you can only build a single lirc module at a time? |
| [02:54:50] | [R]: | um |
| [02:54:59] | [R]: | its been so long |
| [02:55:10] | wagnerrp: | you can either define a single driver, or you can define 'all' |
| [02:55:11] | [R]: | don't they have some kind of menu system taht you can select everyitng you want? |
| [02:55:17] | wagnerrp: | but you cant do multiple |
| [02:55:25] | wagnerrp: | menu system? |
| [02:55:26] | [R]: | hrm, i seem to recall something like that actually |
| [02:55:32] | [R]: | i thought they used to have a make menuconfig |
| [02:56:33] | [R]: | but i dont remember the last time i compiled lirc |
| [03:02:23] | kormoc: | make menuconfig is for the kernel, not lirc |
| [03:02:34] | [R]: | a thing like menuconfig |
| [03:02:44] | [R]: | like how busybox has a menu thing |
| [03:02:46] | wagnerrp: | well, theres no reason you couldnt menuconfig whatever you want... |
| [03:02:48] | wagnerrp: | but lirc doesnt |
| [03:02:57] | [R]: | i'm probalby wrong |
| [03:03:06] | wagnerrp: | anyway kormoc, might be good to change the note in the ebuilds to indicate that it doesnt work |
| [03:03:18] | wagnerrp: | right now, it just says it may not, as opposed to outright not |
| [03:05:15] | wagnerrp: | whats the command to rebuild the list of installed kernel modules? |
| [03:05:30] | wagnerrp: | the ld.so.cache stuff |
| [03:05:53] | [R]: | ld.so isn't kernel modules |
| [03:05:57] | kormoc: | ld.so.cache is ldconfig and it's shared libraries |
| [03:06:00] | [R]: | you mean modules.dep and depmod -a? |
| [03:06:09] | wagnerrp: | could be depmod |
| [03:06:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that was it |
| [03:06:34] | wagnerrp: | thanks |
| [03:09:09] | kormoc: | Amazon has HDHR's for $90... hrm... |
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| [03:10:04] | [R]: | single or dual? |
| [03:10:40] | kormoc: | dual |
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| [03:10:45] | kormoc: | single is $70 |
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| [03:20:32] | biffhero: | is that a good deal? I guess that means "put up digital antenna on my house, and then have an additional two tuners on my network" ?? |
| [03:20:48] | wagnerrp: | $45 per tuner is a pretty good deal |
| [03:20:57] | wagnerrp: | that on an HDHR is fantastic |
| [03:21:10] | wagnerrp: | theyre usually $120–140 |
| [03:21:34] | biffhero: | Is this cool like my PVR-250, in that it does math for me on the box, so my backend only needs to do I/O ? |
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| [03:22:00] | wagnerrp: | no, all digital tuners capture pre-compressed mpeg2 |
| [03:22:09] | [R]: | does math? |
| [03:22:14] | wagnerrp: | 'compresses' |
| [03:22:17] | biffhero: | compresses. |
| [03:23:13] | biffhero: | ok, so it's only half as cool? It doesn't do any fancy compressing, but my backend only needs to do incoming on ethernet, and outgoing to disk? |
| [03:23:26] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [03:24:10] | biffhero: | I presume OTA HDTV is a big bunch on disk? |
| [03:24:31] | wagnerrp: | 5–8GB/hr |
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| [03:26:50] | biffhero: | I think I am about 2.2G / hr right now. Nothing like a good excuse to get more storage. :-) |
| [03:30:36] | biffhero: | how does it change channels? I presume myth sends it channel change commands over the network, as well as connecting to a port on the hdhomerun to bring in a data stream. |
| [03:30:50] | [R]: | exactly |
| [03:31:30] | biffhero: | that sounds smart. i wish my comcast boxes did that. :-) |
| [03:32:21] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:32:29] | [R]: | dtv boxes can be controlled over hte network |
| [03:33:01] | wagnerrp: | we all wish comcast boxes did that |
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| [03:38:24] | iamlindoro: | sigh, #9341 |
| [03:38:49] | iamlindoro: | I predict the next comment is "But task manager says my CPU use is 40%!!" |
| [03:39:47] | wagnerrp: | i predict a new ticket, mythtv does not support DXVA in windows |
| [03:40:06] | iamlindoro: | Heh... think we actually have a DXVA task ticket |
| [03:40:14] | [R]: | iamlindoro: you did mythnetvision right? |
| [03:40:17] | biffhero: | I suppose one could make the case that, "mythtv is the network interface to comcast boxes." |
| [03:40:24] | wagnerrp: | woah woah woah... |
| [03:40:25] | iamlindoro: | did/continue to do, yes |
| [03:40:32] | [R]: | iamlindoro: i can't seem to get thumbnails to work |
| [03:40:36] | wagnerrp: | why are they running 24158 in windows? |
| [03:40:41] | [R]: | iamlindoro: if the thumbnail is local it works, but remote ones dont seem to d/l |
| [03:40:44] | wagnerrp: | thats the ubuntu pre-release version |
| [03:40:55] | wagnerrp: | clearly ubuntu != windows |
| [03:40:56] | iamlindoro: | Can't seem to get them to work in our grabbers, or in some grabber you are writing? |
| [03:41:07] | wagnerrp: | unless they ran 'mythfrontend --version' on their mythbuntu backend |
| [03:41:17] | wagnerrp: | because they couldnt figure out how to get to the command line in windows |
| [03:41:29] | [R]: | iamlindoro: both |
| [03:41:48] | [R]: | iamlindoro: like in the comedy central grabber... i saw no thumbnails except the comedy cdentral logo which is local |
| [03:42:38] | [R]: | iamlindoro: i also noticed that for tree view, the grabber runs on the frontende |
| [03:42:47] | wagnerrp: | 1440x900 is a pretty big screen for an atom |
| [03:42:51] | iamlindoro: | [R], Dunno what to tell you, it just uses the same image downloader that everything else in myth uses, and caches to ~/.mythtv/thumbcache |
| [03:43:06] | [R]: | i guess i'll play around with it some more |
| [03:43:13] | iamlindoro: | The tree view grabbers tun from wherever you invoke them |
| [03:43:33] | [R]: | any particular reason it doesnt use the mythxml like the search does? |
| [03:43:38] | iamlindoro: | if you invoke an update from the FE, it runs there-- if you run mythfillnetvision, it runs wherever you run that. The correct configuration is to have the scripts installed on all systems |
| [03:43:56] | iamlindoro: | There would be no reason to invoke it from mythxml |
| [03:44:16] | [R]: | ok well, i got it working |
| [03:44:17] | iamlindoro: | any particular reason one would want to? |
| [03:44:23] | iamlindoro: | got what working? |
| [03:44:28] | [R]: | iamlindoro: well it threw me for a loop until i figured out it ws running on the frontend |
| [03:44:30] | [R]: | iamlindoro: my grabber |
| [03:44:34] | iamlindoro: | ok |
| [03:44:41] | iamlindoro: | It *doesn't* run on the frontend |
| [03:44:48] | iamlindoro: | it just runs from whereevr it is invoked |
| [03:44:52] | [R]: | irght |
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| [03:44:57] | iamlindoro: | you should be running mythfillnetvision in cron |
| [03:45:02] | iamlindoro: | on the backend |
| [03:45:14] | [R]: | iamlindoro: i probalby will |
| [03:45:21] | [R]: | but when i was testing it, i was doing it on the frontend |
| [03:45:55] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, just tested comedy central, thumbnails working fine here, suspect some permissions issue |
| [03:46:19] | [R]: | hrm guess i'll play with it |
| [03:46:31] | [R]: | is ther ea verbose level for activity on the downloader? |
| [03:47:14] | iamlindoro: | file,extra |
| [03:47:28] | iamlindoro: | And they go to ~/.mythtv/thumbcache |
| [03:49:43] | [R]: | so how does the frontend get htem if they are on hte backend? |
| [03:49:49] | iamlindoro: | They aren't |
| [03:50:04] | iamlindoro: | Why would you think they were? |
| [03:50:06] | [R]: | oh does the frontend d/l them? |
| [03:50:17] | iamlindoro: | Yes, the frontend downloads the thumbnails it needs |
| [03:50:25] | [R]: | ok, well i'll play with it later |
| [03:50:43] | iamlindoro: | The grabber has nothing to do with thumbnail downloads |
| [03:51:00] | [R]: | ah |
| [03:51:18] | [R]: | is it all internal or does it use scripts to do the download? |
| [03:51:33] | iamlindoro: | The *only* thing the grabber does is produce XML |
| [03:51:44] | iamlindoro: | there are no scripts involved with any part of MNV outside of that |
| [03:51:49] | [R]: | ok |
| [03:51:55] | [R]: | so i'll enable verbose and see what happens |
| [03:52:41] | [R]: | so my harmony works flawlessly with my usb receiver |
| [03:52:48] | [R]: | my old remote works flawlessly with my usb and my serial |
| [03:52:57] | [R]: | my harmony doesnt do boucnes well with my serial |
| [03:53:05] | [R]: | hopefully my new ir reciever is more sensitive |
| [03:53:43] | biffhero: | bwahaha, on my iphone, jailbroke it, and the ad for podcaster is for the google nexus S. |
| [03:54:57] | iamlindoro: | [R], If you are relatively confident that your grabber is producing 100% compliant XML output, I am happy to test and see if I can spot any obvious issues |
| [03:56:50] | [R]: | well i was having issues with the comedy central |
| [03:56:53] | [R]: | so i think my grabber is fine |
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| [04:30:00] | wagnerrp: | oh CBS... why do you have such abysmal encoders |
| [04:36:13] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:36:52] | wagnerrp: | seriously, theyre blocky as heck |
| [04:37:06] | wagnerrp: | and they transmit at a low bitrate just to make it worse |
| [04:37:13] | wagnerrp: | its not like theyre starving for bandwidth |
| [04:37:26] | wagnerrp: | the only other thing they broadcast is a 480p subchannel |
| [04:37:39] | wagnerrp: | last time i recorded from there, it was like 2mbps |
| [04:50:13] | wagnerrp: | HHAHAHAHAHAH |
| [04:51:03] | wagnerrp: | 'a novel anti-piracy measure baked into the nintendo ds version of Michael Jackson: The Experience makes copied versions of the game unplayable and taunts gamers with the blaring sound of vuvuzelas' |
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| [04:57:43] | biffhero: | sounds like an upgrade, to me. |
| [04:58:36] | wagnerrp: | i would have made a joke about no one wanting to pay to play such a game |
| [05:00:20] | biffhero: | I wasn't sure if the game itself wasn't the joke. |
| [05:16:05] | wagnerrp: | ugh... |
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| [05:16:18] | wagnerrp: | looks like ill need to do another kernel update to get lirc working |
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| [05:37:09] | sphery: | wow, some guy actually changed his name to Captain Awesome – http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/we . . . e-county.csp |
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| [05:57:38] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, did you get anywhere with updating the ebuilds? |
| [05:58:32] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i had all the ebuilds updated and working... and then github got rebased and the hashes changed |
| [05:58:51] | wagnerrp: | anyway, im going to rework how it picks up the location |
| [05:58:52] | kormoc: | Are they somewhere I can access? |
| [05:58:57] | kormoc: | ahh, kk |
| [05:59:20] | wagnerrp: | make it so that release and RC builds work automatically |
| [05:59:34] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [05:59:34] | wagnerrp: | right now, i had them named off the date |
| [05:59:49] | wagnerrp: | so they were 20101204 when i updated them |
| [06:00:00] | wagnerrp: | but im thinking it would be best to include the has in the name |
| [06:00:11] | wagnerrp: | so when updating, only the hash needs updating, and not the file editing |
| [06:00:23] | kormoc: | hrm? |
| [06:00:39] | wagnerrp: | the way i had it set up, i stored the full hash to a variable in the ebuild |
| [06:00:42] | kormoc: | so mythtv-20101204-ABC123? |
| [06:00:46] | wagnerrp: | then the eclass read it, and acted on it |
| [06:00:52] | wagnerrp: | but yeah, you think thats too long? |
| [06:00:56] | kormoc: | Yeah |
| [06:01:10] | kormoc: | you can query a hash based on a date |
| [06:01:21] | wagnerrp: | thats the other thing i was thinking |
| [06:01:30] | kormoc: | That's how I was leaning |
| [06:01:39] | wagnerrp: | its not going to be exact, but at least it would be reliable |
| [06:01:47] | wagnerrp: | first or last of the day, or something |
| [06:01:59] | kormoc: | Could use a timestamp as the version too, that's not too long |
| [06:02:27] | wagnerrp: | like 20101204140722? |
| [06:02:40] | wagnerrp: | thats just as long as adding a hash |
| [06:03:06] | kormoc: | I was thinking unix time, mythtv-1291701755 |
| [06:03:19] | kormoc: | the hashes are pretty long, no? |
| [06:03:40] | wagnerrp: | the full hashes are long, but you can get by with as little as 7 characters |
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| [06:03:53] | wagnerrp: | but honestly, at 7 characters, the risk of collision is pretty high |
| [06:04:12] | [R]: | still talking about that? |
| [06:04:42] | kormoc: | a unix timestamp is 10 chars, that seems pretty reasonable given it's practically unique |
| [06:04:55] | kormoc: | [R], Well, packaging is still not finished, so aye |
| [06:05:05] | kormoc: | [R], and the OS X Packager needs a ton of work sadly |
| [06:05:06] | [R]: | kormoc: i meant the collisions |
| [06:05:11] | kormoc: | ooh |
| [06:05:41] | kormoc: | well, it's something to consider |
| [06:05:59] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, so yeah, I'm more of a fan of myth-unixtimestamp vs myth-date-hash |
| [06:06:12] | wagnerrp: | that should be workable |
| [06:07:24] | wagnerrp: | besides that, you dont happen to know where the lirc stuff is in the kernel, do you? |
| [06:07:39] | [R]: | lirc is in the kernel? |
| [06:07:43] | kormoc: | aye, one minute |
| [06:07:50] | kormoc: | [R], some of it is now, aye |
| [06:07:57] | wagnerrp: | i noticed you had a 0.90 ebuild for that |
| [06:08:05] | wagnerrp: | i cant manage to get my pvr-150 blasters working |
| [06:08:11] | kormoc: | Aye, I'm using the kernel drivers now |
| [06:08:13] | [R]: | its been so long since i've done gentoo |
| [06:08:14] | [R]: | i'm so out of it |
| [06:08:24] | wagnerrp: | and j-rod's suggestion it to use lirc_zilog, which only exists in the kernel versions |
| [06:08:53] | kormoc: | Device Drivers -> Multimedia Support -> Infrared remote controller adapters |
| [06:09:05] | wagnerrp: | ah, didnt think to look in media, thanks |
| [06:09:41] | wagnerrp: | there is no zilog there either... |
| [06:10:03] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [06:10:15] | kormoc: | it's staging |
| [06:10:23] | wagnerrp: | i didnt see it fly past in oldconfig |
| [06:10:24] | kormoc: | you need to not exclude staging drivers |
| [06:10:42] | kormoc: | device drivers -> staging drivers -> exclude staging drivers needs to be unchecked |
| [06:11:15] | wagnerrp: | four from the bottom, thanks |
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| [06:12:44] | kormoc: | np |
| [06:14:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: didn't someone say that the ivtv lirc support isn't working in some kernel versions? |
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| [06:15:13] | wagnerrp: | sphery: the i2c module no longer works for newer kernels |
| [06:15:25] | wagnerrp: | because the new modules will only read from specifically supported devices |
| [06:15:31] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to anything it enumerates on the bus |
| [06:15:45] | wagnerrp: | ivtv stuff is now supported by the zilog module |
| [06:15:49] | sphery: | ah |
| [06:16:06] | wagnerrp: | and if i cant get it working... well im no worse off since i use mceusbs for input |
| [06:16:34] | wagnerrp: | i just cant use it for blasting, since ive got the box on another floor on the other end of a 15' USB cable |
| [06:16:40] | sphery: | yeah, it was cx25840 module I was thinking of, so that would be the actual tv stuff |
| [06:17:00] | ** kormoc ponders moving his ebuild tree to github ** | |
| [06:29:17] | [R]: | so hitting the down button wraps around a list to the beginning |
| [06:29:19] | [R]: | but pagedown doesn't |
| [06:29:23] | [R]: | you think tahts a bug or by design? |
| [06:33:26] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: the only way i could see to do this would be some sort of translation page |
| [06:33:41] | wagnerrp: | something on services maybe, that you give a timestamp, it gives a commit hash |
| [06:33:53] | wagnerrp: | timestamp, branch, etc... |
| [06:34:42] | Shadow__X: | when using mythnetvision to watch something on hulu is it normal to be presented with a grainy close up of the hulu logo |
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| [06:48:39] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, git checkout `git rev-list -n 1 --before="2009-07–27 13:37" master |
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| [06:57:34] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: thats only if we want to start maintaining a local checkout |
| [06:57:46] | kormoc: | We have to, right? |
| [06:57:57] | wagnerrp: | no, ive been pulling snapshots off github |
| [06:58:00] | kormoc: | ahh |
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| [07:11:42] | kormoc: | yeah, a web service would have to be it... |
| [07:11:43] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [07:12:06] | wagnerrp: | is there no way to pull a rev-list off a remote repository? |
| [07:12:15] | kormoc: | there is not |
| [07:12:25] | kormoc: | I'll write up a web service real quick to do it |
| [07:12:45] | wagnerrp: | does trac provide some such service? |
| [07:13:30] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [07:13:32] | kormoc: | likely could |
| [07:13:37] | kormoc: | but we don't have trac anymore |
| [07:13:44] | wagnerrp: | im just thinking thats something better done through the commit hooks |
| [07:13:47] | wagnerrp: | sure we do |
| [07:13:52] | wagnerrp: | for now anyway |
| [07:14:00] | kormoc: | where? |
| [07:14:16] | kormoc: | All I get is 'placeholder' pages for svn.mythtv.org and code.mythtv.org |
| [07:14:30] | wagnerrp: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac , same place it was before |
| [07:14:41] | kormoc: | ooh, svn. doesn't redirect anymore |
| [07:15:04] | wagnerrp: | actually |
| [07:15:10] | wagnerrp: | i dont think trac stores the commits locally |
| [07:15:19] | wagnerrp: | i think it polls github on every query |
| [07:15:22] | wagnerrp: | which is why its so slow |
| [07:15:28] | wagnerrp: | (to load the timeline) |
| [07:15:42] | wagnerrp: | we could just hit the same library directly |
| [07:15:44] | wagnerrp: | hold on... |
| [07:17:20] | wagnerrp: | is there any way to build python into ebuilds? or is only their special language? |
| [07:17:31] | kormoc: | it's only the special language |
| [07:18:33] | kormoc: | I thought it just clones it on each request? |
| [07:24:04] | kormoc: | okay, so how I thought we'd use trac won't work |
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| [07:24:45] | wagnerrp: | id like to poll the track database which stores all commit logs |
| [07:24:46] | kormoc: | I Was thinking we could grab the timeline and awk out the first changeset from a specific date, but it doesn't filter correctly with git so even if I tell it to only give me changsets via rss it gives me ticket updates as well |
| [07:24:55] | wagnerrp: | ... except trac doesnt work that way for git |
| [07:25:01] | kormoc: | yeah... |
| [07:25:10] | wagnerrp: | and pulling the timeline would take a /llllooooonnnnggggg/ time |
| [07:25:30] | wagnerrp: | github has some amount of API available |
| [07:25:45] | wagnerrp: | but i see no way to search for a specific date |
| [07:25:58] | wagnerrp: | best you could do would be to recursively search through the network graph data |
| [07:26:53] | wagnerrp: | could ask beirdo where hes getting that information for the commit emails |
| [07:27:03] | wagnerrp: | theres a commit hook in use there somewhere |
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| [07:27:21] | wagnerrp: | would redirect that to an sql server, which could then be searched |
| [07:27:30] | wagnerrp: | s/would/could/ |
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| [07:29:44] | Beirdo: | hmm? |
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| [07:30:03] | wagnerrp: | when you reformatted how the commit emails get sent, how did you do that? |
| [07:30:23] | Beirdo: | github sends a JSON payload of the changes |
| [07:30:35] | wagnerrp: | can you configure multiple targets? |
| [07:30:54] | wagnerrp: | is that what a 'watcher' is? |
| [07:30:58] | Beirdo: | we aren't hitting github on timeline, BTW |
| [07:30:58] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [07:31:09] | Beirdo: | we are scraping a locally checked out copy |
| [07:31:12] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, that'd just tell us when it changes, not allow us to look it up |
| [07:31:27] | kormoc: | Beirdo, so why does it take longer to scan then it takes me to clone? |
| [07:31:31] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: right, im saying have something parse that information, and dump it in mysql |
| [07:31:34] | Beirdo: | you can use git log easily enough |
| [07:31:52] | Beirdo: | becasue the git plugin for trac is inefficient? |
| [07:32:10] | kormoc: | Beirdo, not on a remote repo |
| [07:32:12] | Beirdo: | I didn't write the POS |
| [07:32:32] | Beirdo: | why would it have to be a remote repo? |
| [07:32:34] | kormoc: | Beirdo, we want to download a tar.gz that needs a revision hash, we have a date, how do we align the two data points? |
| [07:32:45] | Beirdo: | hmmmm |
| [07:33:13] | wagnerrp: | we want to have ebuilds that are just 'mythtv-0.25_alpha20101208' or something |
| [07:33:20] | wagnerrp: | and have it pull the first changeset at that date |
| [07:33:26] | wagnerrp: | or give it a unix timestamp |
| [07:33:30] | Beirdo: | easiest way would be to have a local clone, and use that to get the history, I'd think |
| [07:33:31] | wagnerrp: | and pull the changeset at that timestamp |
| [07:33:44] | kormoc: | Beirdo, which defeats the entire purpose of using a tar.gz... |
| [07:34:58] | Beirdo: | github does have an API as well, not sure if it would help |
| [07:35:12] | wagnerrp: | looked through it, didnt find anything of significant use |
| [07:35:26] | wagnerrp: | it would for for specific tags, but then we dont even need the hash for tags |
| [07:36:22] | Beirdo: | pretty sure teh Network API would get what you need |
| [07:36:42] | wagnerrp: | it will, but would have to recursively search for it |
| [07:36:49] | wagnerrp: | they only give you 100 commits at a time |
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| [07:39:05] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [07:39:17] | Beirdo: | you grab the network_meta |
| [07:39:45] | Beirdo: | then you can grab the chunk you want with start= and end=, apparently based on the list of dates |
| [07:40:31] | kormoc: | negative |
| [07:40:34] | kormoc: | "If you need more than the last 100, you'll need to request ranges of more data." |
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| [07:40:54] | Beirdo: | hellloooo |
| [07:41:02] | Beirdo: | right after that it says how to do so |
| [07:41:06] | Beirdo: | start=, end= |
| [07:41:33] | kormoc: | start= end= are date array positions, not dates |
| [07:41:35] | Beirdo: | so pull the meta, find the index of the date you want, use that for start, end, no? |
| [07:41:40] | Beirdo: | right |
| [07:42:46] | kormoc: | in this case, I guess it's good enough |
| [07:42:57] | kormoc: | if we ever have more then 100 commits in a day it'll break, but that's rare enough I guess |
| [07:42:58] | wagnerrp: | should still do that in a web application |
| [07:43:12] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:43:12] | wagnerrp: | i certainly dont want to be doing that in whatever the ebuild language is |
| [07:43:46] | Beirdo: | well, you don't need to pull all the commits for the day, you have the index, just take the last one of the day? |
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| [07:44:20] | wagnerrp: | well if we use a unix timestamp, it would be the the commit at that timestamp |
| [07:44:51] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, dates are dates only, so we get the date index and then have to get all the commits on that day and rerequrest if there's more then 100 |
| [07:45:10] | kormoc: | and a billion dupes, ugh |
| [07:45:15] | Beirdo: | you need it that specific? |
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| [07:45:34] | Beirdo: | or would the last commit on the day be close enough (or first) |
| [07:45:35] | kormoc: | Beirdo, we need to be able to have everyone be able to grab the *same* code each time, yes |
| [07:45:52] | wagnerrp: | first/last would be good enough |
| [07:45:55] | kormoc: | that kinda sucks if I fix a bug in the middle of a day and can't build it for 12 hours |
| [07:46:02] | Beirdo: | well, the first commit on say... Nov 1, 2010 would never change |
| [07:46:05] | Beirdo: | ah |
| [07:46:31] | Beirdo: | true, but if you needed it that specific, you could just go manually find the sha1 you want |
| [07:47:37] | kormoc: | Beirdo, I don't want to maintain two trees, one I manually build and one that auto builds... |
| [07:47:51] | Beirdo: | the issue with that is that the sha1 doesn't play well with what ebuilds want for rev numbers, right? |
| [07:48:07] | kormoc: | it doesn't always go higher, aye |
| [07:48:24] | wagnerrp: | whatever we put in the names has to be sequential |
| [07:48:47] | Beirdo: | how do other git-based ebuilds do it? |
| [07:48:49] | wagnerrp: | and putting hashes in the files will work, but thats a pain to update a dozen files for each of the different plugins |
| [07:49:05] | wagnerrp: | most source-based ones just set it at version 9999 or something |
| [07:49:21] | wagnerrp: | and you never update, you just continually reinstall the same latest trunk revision |
| [07:49:27] | Beirdo: | eww |
| [07:50:02] | kormoc: | Well Gentoo's official policy is they don't accept git repos for ebuilds and this is why |
| [07:50:07] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:50:09] | kormoc: | Same policy I think Arch has as well? |
| [07:50:15] | Beirdo: | and this is why Gentoo is passe. |
| [07:50:18] | Beirdo: | anyways :) |
| [07:50:21] | kormoc: | no |
| [07:50:36] | kormoc: | A RCS system that can't do basic tasks is da suck |
| [07:50:42] | Beirdo: | another option is we could make our own web service to implement this |
| [07:50:59] | Beirdo: | oh please. |
| [07:51:00] | wagnerrp: | we were looking at the best way to do so |
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| [07:51:55] | Beirdo: | hmmm, yeah, we could add another hook in for on-commit, hit this URL |
| [07:52:09] | Beirdo: | but you'd need to pre-seed all the old data into your database |
| [07:53:00] | Beirdo: | or you could just build ebuilds from a local repository |
| [07:53:14] | wagnerrp: | it used to do that from svn |
| [07:53:20] | Beirdo: | where you have the entire history at your fingertips |
| [07:53:21] | wagnerrp: | but it was changed to this to reduce load on trac |
| [07:53:47] | Beirdo: | well, 1) the load isn't on trac now, 2) a git pull ain't that much load :) |
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| [07:54:02] | wagnerrp: | well sure |
| [07:54:09] | Beirdo: | you don't need to clone each time, just do a pull in your local ebuild repo |
| [07:54:23] | kormoc: | it was switched so we could mirror the .tar.gzs and have checksums |
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| [07:55:22] | Beirdo: | you still can. |
| [07:55:28] | Beirdo: | but from local repo |
| [07:55:40] | Beirdo: | git archive generates tar files |
| [07:55:55] | kormoc: | that seems excessive |
| [07:56:09] | Beirdo: | well, that's exactly what you are doing anyways |
| [07:56:15] | Beirdo: | just asking github to run it |
| [07:56:36] | kormoc: | Clone. Muck up to the proper branch/revision. compress. compare md5, uncompress, compile |
| [07:56:48] | kormoc: | vs download tar.gz, md5, uncompress, compile |
| [07:57:15] | kormoc: | and cloning all the time has got to be pretty bad form for github, no? |
| [07:57:33] | Beirdo: | why would you clone every time? |
| [07:57:41] | Beirdo: | clone once, then just pull |
| [07:57:43] | wagnerrp: | you wouldnt clone, just pull |
| [07:57:52] | wagnerrp: | thats how the old svn worked |
| [07:58:03] | wagnerrp: | of course then, portage had specific support for doing so with svn |
| [07:58:11] | kormoc: | I'm certainly not the only one that cleans his distfiles out every night via cron |
| [07:58:12] | wagnerrp: | and personally, i still prefer having a tarball |
| [07:59:20] | Beirdo: | you could also use the output of git describe to serialize your build numbers |
| [07:59:43] | Beirdo: | I dunno, man. |
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| [08:00:36] | wagnerrp: | the other option, just hard code hashes into the eclass so you only have to update one file |
| [08:00:50] | wagnerrp: | but i imagine repeatedly updating an eclass is considered poor form |
| [08:00:58] | kormoc: | yeah, it is |
| [08:01:13] | kormoc: | oh crap |
| [08:01:19] | kormoc: | with each repo being different |
| [08:01:26] | kormoc: | there's no singular hash that unifies it all |
| [08:01:48] | kormoc: | so hash ABC123 is not valid/the same for mythtv and mythplugins |
| [08:01:58] | Beirdo: | umm, yes it is |
| [08:02:04] | wagnerrp: | mythtv and mythplugins are in the same repo |
| [08:02:08] | Beirdo: | as mythplugins and mythtv are the same repo |
| [08:02:09] | kormoc: | Beirdo, they're different repos |
| [08:02:11] | wagnerrp: | they pull the same tarball |
| [08:02:12] | Beirdo: | no |
| [08:02:18] | Beirdo: | mythweb is separate |
| [08:02:23] | Beirdo: | mythplugins is not |
| [08:02:29] | Beirdo: | myththemes is |
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| [08:02:44] | kormoc: | fair nuff, but myththemes then has that issue |
| [08:02:45] | kormoc: | and extras |
| [08:02:46] | wagnerrp: | but we should just trash the myththemes build entirely |
| [08:02:48] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [08:02:54] | wagnerrp: | extras, sure |
| [08:02:55] | Beirdo: | extras has like nothing in it |
| [08:02:56] | kormoc: | yeah, that's true |
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| [08:03:16] | kormoc: | I thought extras is where contrib went? |
| [08:03:16] | wagnerrp: | do we even have a 'mythextras' ebuild? |
| [08:03:22] | kormoc: | nah |
| [08:03:30] | wagnerrp: | no, contrib basically evaporated |
| [08:03:36] | wagnerrp: | got dumped onto the wiki |
| [08:03:38] | Beirdo: | nuvexport's been pulled out, so nothing much in there anymore |
| [08:03:41] | kormoc: | I was meaning to much with the mythtv one to pull in extras, but I'm just wrong |
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| [08:04:29] | Beirdo: | you planning on putting your ebuild script into packaging when you're done? |
| [08:04:42] | kormoc: | well, the ebuild tree |
| [08:04:47] | Beirdo: | cool :) |
| [08:05:04] | Beirdo: | anyways, back to the issue at hand, I guess |
| [08:05:06] | kormoc: | but I still have to get the different tracks working (stable and unstable) |
| [08:05:23] | Beirdo: | right |
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| [08:07:06] | Beirdo: | a web service to take repo, branch, date/time and return the closest commit <= that time... |
| [08:07:13] | Beirdo: | would that help? |
| [08:07:37] | kormoc: | aye |
| [08:07:37] | wagnerrp: | thats what we were discussing |
| [08:07:54] | wagnerrp: | and rather than rely on parsing a git repo, i was saying it would be faster to search mysql |
| [08:08:02] | Beirdo: | it would |
| [08:08:03] | wagnerrp: | and populate it with the commit hook data |
| [08:08:05] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [08:08:16] | wagnerrp: | which is where we were when i pinged you |
| [08:08:20] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [08:08:45] | Beirdo: | yeah, they hand off a JSON block with commit info (and some repo info) |
| [08:09:19] | Beirdo: | wouldn't be that hard to stash the info into a database |
| [08:09:28] | Beirdo: | the one issue... |
| [08:09:40] | Beirdo: | what if two people commit in parallel/ |
| [08:09:48] | Beirdo: | which one do you want? |
| [08:09:50] | wagnerrp: | it would be great if trac were already doing so, as was the case with svn |
| [08:09:53] | Beirdo: | and that will happen |
| [08:10:06] | wagnerrp: | meaning there is more than one commit per second? |
| [08:10:14] | Beirdo: | there can be |
| [08:10:19] | Beirdo: | why not? |
| [08:10:27] | Beirdo: | you could commit at the same time I do |
| [08:10:41] | Beirdo: | it may not happen often, but it will happen |
| [08:10:51] | Beirdo: | and really, you'd want the merge of the two, no? |
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| [08:11:06] | wagnerrp: | merge of the two? |
| [08:11:11] | Beirdo: | that's the real issue with using time |
| [08:11:35] | Beirdo: | yeah, when you push, then I have to merge your change and push mine + merge |
| [08:11:47] | wagnerrp: | oh... those merger commits, right |
| [08:11:52] | wagnerrp: | yeah, those could be annoying |
| [08:12:03] | Beirdo: | snapshotting while it's in a "micro branch" situation is problematic |
| [08:12:05] | wagnerrp: | could probably be resolved by using the latest of any commit on that second |
| [08:12:32] | wagnerrp: | but since the snapshots will be manually chosen, we can simply choose good commits |
| [08:12:35] | Beirdo: | I guess as long as it's always resolved the same, life will go on |
| [08:13:03] | Beirdo: | well then... |
| [08:13:09] | Beirdo: | why not choose by sha1 |
| [08:13:17] | Beirdo: | and then put the date into the filename |
| [08:13:33] | wagnerrp: | thats what im doing currently |
| [08:13:44] | wagnerrp: | and i consider editing each of a dozen files for each new revision to be a pain |
| [08:14:02] | Beirdo: | it looks like you can pull MythTV-packaging-sha1.tar.gz |
| [08:14:19] | Beirdo: | so same for the other repos |
| [08:14:43] | Beirdo: | if you are going to manually choose, how you choose is completely arbitrary |
| [08:15:37] | Beirdo: | and if they don't let you pull by sha1, you can just use git archive remotely anyways to the same effect |
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| [08:16:02] | wagnerrp: | they do let us pull by sha1, thats what im currently doing |
| [08:16:08] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [08:16:37] | Beirdo: | that download button is just a wrapper for git archive | gzip -c |
| [08:16:51] | wagnerrp: | we just want something cleaner than either putting the sha1 in each and every file (which means each and every file must be edited), or putting a shortened hash into the ebuild version |
| [08:17:30] | Beirdo: | I think having the shortened hash (plus date perhaps) in the version is a wise choice |
| [08:17:48] | Beirdo: | the date part should make it sort correctly |
| [08:17:52] | Beirdo: | right? |
| [08:18:00] | wagnerrp: | date is required, to make it sequential, yes |
| [08:18:05] | Beirdo: | assumint it's first |
| [08:18:58] | Beirdo: | but I guess you'd kinda still need a map of sha1->date if you don't want to pull it from git log in hte build script |
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| [08:19:23] | wagnerrp: | we cant pull it from git log in the build script without having git available locally |
| [08:19:30] | wagnerrp: | err, the git repository |
| [08:19:42] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [08:20:10] | Beirdo: | but doing so would still make it simpler anyways |
| [08:20:15] | ** Beirdo shrugs ** | |
| [08:22:40] | kormoc: | Packages will be auto-generated eventually |
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| [08:40:26] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: just opened you a ticket |
| [08:40:39] | Beirdo: | #9342 (based on a pull request) |
| [08:41:03] | wagnerrp: | you know... i did that months ago |
| [08:41:32] | wagnerrp: | xris (i think) went back through with some script that just blindly added execute bits on any .py file |
| [08:41:44] | Beirdo: | this is on the other scripts too, I think, not just the bindings, I think |
| [08:41:47] | Beirdo: | ahh, that could be |
| [08:42:41] | wagnerrp: | it was designed for the perl scripts, back before mythtv had any real python to speak of |
| [08:42:54] | wagnerrp: | and perl actually does have separate script and module extensions |
| [08:42:54] | Beirdo: | right |
| [08:43:08] | wagnerrp: | python, not so much |
| [08:43:29] | Beirdo: | could be seen as a positive or a negative, but it is what it is |
| [08:45:16] | Beirdo: | I can give you a hand tomorrow if you need it... or deal with it as you will :) |
| [08:45:33] | wagnerrp: | its got directions how to pull right at the bottom of the page |
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| [08:46:17] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [08:46:20] | Beirdo: | so it does :) |
| [08:46:47] | Beirdo: | before you do a git push at the end, might be good to git log to be sure it did what you wanted |
| [08:46:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [08:47:21] | Beirdo: | but it looks like the right set of instructions. Nice of them to do so :) |
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| [08:52:59] | Beirdo: | haha |
| [08:53:15] | Beirdo: | #9342 on github... wants to link to github issues. Bah :) |
| [08:53:38] | Beirdo: | left a comment in the pull request to link back to the ticket |
| [08:53:53] | Beirdo: | except the autolinking is... wonkey |
| [08:54:01] | Beirdo: | as is expected, I guess |
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| [09:03:32] | xris: | wagnerrp: that script was a long time ago. and yeah, silly me for thinking python didn't have a "library file" extension. ;) |
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| [09:03:51] | wagnerrp: | no worries, no harm done |
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| [09:08:55] | wagnerrp: | bah... |
| [09:09:05] | Beirdo: | humbug? |
| [09:09:09] | wagnerrp: | curses |
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| [09:12:04] | wagnerrp: | i had four commits in that one, looks like only two went through? |
| [09:12:12] | Beirdo: | it worked |
| [09:12:28] | Beirdo: | pretty :) |
| [09:14:24] | wagnerrp: | yeah, acf71945 doesnt show up in the main history |
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| [09:14:43] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, there it is |
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| [09:15:01] | wagnerrp: | it was just timed based off when i committed it, not when i pushed it |
| [09:15:09] | Beirdo: | yup |
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| [09:17:45] | Beirdo: | anyways, I think I'll do bed now |
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| [09:19:26] | wagnerrp: | you need an organization name to make a new repository? |
| [09:20:46] | wagnerrp: | no, just a repository name, nevermind |
| [09:20:56] | Beirdo: | no, you can create one in your own account |
| [09:21:08] | wagnerrp: | i was confused by the 'project name' |
| [09:22:32] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [12:58:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | GRRR... went to bed at 2:30am and shut down what I thought was my frontend system in my bedroom from a shell with 'poweroff' ... only to wake up this morning with my bedroom pc still on, and the shell saying "The system is going down NOW!"... I was ssh'd into my backend... DOH! |
| [12:58:16] | ** J-e-f-f-A <-- sleepy dummy.... ** | |
| [12:59:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oh well... no big loss... I'm back up now, and need to get my butt out the door to work. ;-) |
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| [13:01:57] | ** J-e-f-f-A heads back upstairs to get washed up and out to work... doh! (8am now) ** | |
| [13:04:31] | sid3windr: | easy fix: don't shut down |
| [13:04:31] | sid3windr: | :p |
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| [13:31:52] | Diverdude: | Can a boxee box use a mythtv backend? |
| [13:31:59] | Diverdude: | boxee box frontend |
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| [14:04:55] | Diverdude: | is it possible to get a remote control like the one for boxee box for mythtv? |
| [14:17:37] | Diverdude: | which ZOTAC ION motherboard + mini ATX do you recommend for mediacenter? |
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| [14:36:46] | stuartm: | Diverdude: that first question is one for the boxee irc channel, we're not the ones to ask what unrelated projects support |
| [14:37:33] | stuartm: | the remote question – I've no idea what the boxee remote looks like, but almost any remote can be used with mythtv or more accurately with lirc |
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| [14:43:28] | Diverdude: | stuartm, do you know of a good hardware combo for running mythtv frontend. i am thinking using a MB like ZOTAC H55-ITX WiFi or the like. |
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| [14:54:21] | kha: | Diverdude: I have ASUS AT3N7A-I in Antec ISK-300 |
| [14:54:53] | kha: | that's somewhat old by now but works good |
| [14:56:38] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, There have been numerous times in the past where we have asked people to run the _api.py file from one of the grabbers to produce more verbose debug output |
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| [14:58:34] | iamlindoro: | I guess it's not the end of the world that we now have them run it with the python executable, guess I just wonder what the point was |
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| [15:08:40] | Diverdude: | hmm the Zotac ZBOX HD-ID11-U seems like a good solution for a media center. Any opinions on that? |
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| [16:34:53] | Diverdude: | boxee box or zotac zbox? |
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| [16:38:57] | Diverdude: | any opinions? |
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| [17:08:41] | skd5aner: | [27415] |
| [17:08:41] | MythLogBot: | SVN 27415: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/d0c381a6 |
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| [17:25:34] | pjcrux: | quick question. I use mythtv packaged through rpmfusion. I'm getting the following error when trying to update to 0.24: Error: Package: mythweather-0.24–2.fc12.x86_64 (rpmfusion-free-updates) Requires: perl(Date::Manip::TZ) |
| [17:25:58] | pjcrux: | I can't find any info through google. can someone point me in the right direction? |
| [17:28:56] | awalls: | you need to install a Perl package on your system: one related to dates and timezones. It should be available via your distros normal repositories |
| [17:30:10] | pjcrux: | I use fedora 12 i thought perl was already installed and it is: Package 4:perl-5.10.0–96.fc12.x86_64 already installed and latest version |
| [17:30:31] | pjcrux: | Nothing to do |
| [17:30:42] | pjcrux: | is there a specific package of perl? |
| [17:30:43] | awalls: | yum list *erl* and look for something named Perl-Date or similar |
| [17:31:09] | awalls: | It's been a while since I had to install PerlDate for hg, so I don't remember the details |
| [17:33:28] | awalls: | yum list perl-Date* gives a long list for fc12 |
| [17:33:38] | pjcrux: | http://fpaste.org/CkKO/ |
| [17:34:50] | Diverdude: | is it possible to control mythtv frontend using iphone attached to same LAN? |
| [17:35:10] | awalls: | pjcrux: yum install perl-Date* |
| [17:35:16] | awalls: | :) |
| [17:36:11] | pjcrux: | ok that's running |
| [17:36:16] | pjcrux: | it's done |
| [17:36:21] | pjcrux: | let me see if update works now |
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| [17:37:55] | pjcrux: | awalls: http://fpaste.org/GNbM/ |
| [17:37:58] | pjcrux: | still same issue |
| [17:38:51] | awalls: | Hmm. I dunno then. |
| [17:39:31] | awalls: | I suppose you could pull down the source RPM from rpmfusion and take a look at the dependency in the spec file inside the rpm |
| [17:40:05] | awalls: | OR do what yum recommends and use --skip-broken if you don't need mythweather |
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| [17:40:25] | pjcrux: | awalls: yeah i've tried that. still comes back with same dep issue |
| [17:42:34] | awalls: | Do you have perl-TimeDate* installed? |
| [17:43:05] | ** awalls is amazed at how many perl modules are devoted to calendar time ** | |
| [17:43:53] | pjcrux: | awalls: already installed and latest versoin |
| [17:44:14] | awalls: | I'm out of ideas then. |
| [17:44:26] | pjcrux: | lol now worries |
| [17:45:32] | awalls: | perl-Date-Manip.noarch ? |
| [17:47:06] | awalls: | On the surface it seems to match the requested "perl(Date::Manip::TZ) |
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| [17:50:53] | sphery: | skd5aner: there's no small number that's guaranteed to be unique--a collision is even possible (though, AFAIU, has never been seen) with a full SHA1 hash. |
| [17:52:11] | skd5aner: | fair enough, but... 7 seems to be a common abbreviation used it seems |
| [17:52:25] | sphery: | skd5aner: depending on the size of the repo, it could be as small as 1 digit, but could be as large as all of them before you get unique values |
| [17:52:51] | skd5aner: | I'm updating the release notes, it's definitely a littler harder now |
| [17:53:08] | sphery: | yeah, git describe uses 7 by default--see man 1 git-describe under --abbrev |
| [17:53:26] | iamlindoro: | If only there was some source management system that used a serialized string or number to indicate the commit |
| [17:53:30] | skd5aner: | for now, I have to create unique templates per repository, since each repository has their own commit logs |
| [17:53:38] | iamlindoro: | But clearly I'm living in a fantasy world |
| [17:53:40] | sphery: | skd5aner: you do realize that beirdo has a master "map" of old SVN changesets to git hashes |
| [17:54:22] | skd5aner: | sphery: yup, but still 2 issues... |
| [17:54:29] | sphery: | skd5aner: could use it with a little script to replace everything (or do you mean the "picking the first few characters and knowing how many) |
| [17:54:48] | skd5aner: | 1) nothing has been put in to resolve the old SVN numbers to GIT commits in the wiki (yet) – but his map should help with that |
| [17:55:07] | sphery: | cool |
| [17:55:13] | skd5aner: | 2) Going forward, I don't know an easy way to look at a git SHA and find the appropriate repository |
| [17:55:16] | sphery: | didn't want you wasting a ton of time trying to do it manually |
| [17:55:43] | sphery: | the commit email doesn't provide what you want? |
| [17:55:57] | skd5aner: | yea... I'm not worrying about what's already been done. I'll work with whomever can either replace or redirect the old {{changeset|svnr}} entries |
| [17:56:09] | sphery: | ah, you mean for those... |
| [17:56:09] | sphery: | got it |
| [17:56:25] | sphery: | wait, no, because you already broke those out by branch |
| [17:56:28] | skd5aner: | sphery: no, the problem is the current wiki template assumes everyhing is under the MythTV repository |
| [17:56:47] | skd5aner: | so, if a git SHA1 commit is under mythweb, it won't work with the same template |
| [17:56:53] | sphery: | oh, so you mean MythTV/mythtv versus MythTV/mythweb, etc? |
| [17:56:57] | sphery: | yeah |
| [17:57:03] | sphery: | hmmmm |
| [17:57:13] | skd5aner: | so, right now I'm creating {{MythTVCommit|GITSHA}}, {{MythWEBCommit|GITSHA}}, etc |
| [17:57:16] | skd5aner: | a major pain |
| [17:57:31] | sphery: | hmmm... I don't have any suggestions |
| [17:57:44] | sphery: | :( |
| [17:59:01] | pjcrux: | awalls: Package perl-Date-Manip-5.54–3.fc12.noarch already installed and latest version |
| [17:59:04] | pjcrux: | Nothing to do |
| [17:59:13] | skd5aner: | I don't have any clue how to dynamically create a link to the appropriate repository, so right now I'll have to use explicit templates per repository until someone smart comes along and solves that problem |
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| [18:00:34] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: oh? i looked through a couple of those and they didnt seem to be executable |
| [18:00:44] | wagnerrp: | happy to change them back if you want |
| [18:00:49] | wagnerrp: | it was just a request from a package |
| [18:00:51] | wagnerrp: | r |
| [18:01:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: are you going to post something to the -dev list to keep the people there from re-inventing the "how do we pull a tar/zip ball of the repo for our build script" |
| [18:01:42] | iamlindoro: | I don't really have super strong feelings, it just diminishes our ability to troubleshoot somewhat if someone was missing a dep/had some error that the higher level script did not handle |
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| [18:02:19] | iamlindoro: | I'd also casually note that those packagers can't even manage to keep their own packages working properly, and maybe they should start with that ;) |
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| [18:09:27] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i hadnt planned on it |
| [18:09:43] | wagnerrp: | you posted me as who to ask, no one asked |
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| [18:10:59] | wagnerrp: | 'using_live'? thats not one ive seen before |
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| [18:11:40] | iamlindoro: | liblivemedia |
| [18:11:46] | iamlindoro: | it should be included in all myth installs |
| [18:11:53] | iamlindoro: | it's the iptv lib |
| [18:12:05] | wagnerrp: | ah, guess ive just never paid attention to that |
| [18:12:33] | skd5aner: | In commits like this one, where wagnerrp referenced a previous commit, is github able to discover and link to commits and/or tickets like trac did? https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/2dc33 . . . 9114d3568220 |
| [18:16:18] | sphery: | heh, now, not only are MythTV devs not Green for refusing to support XvMC and libmpeg2, but we're also advancing the inhumane treatment of those people in 3rd world countries who handle electronics recycling |
| [18:16:39] | xris: | skd5aner: ideally, there would be a bug to go along with anything you want to mention on the wiki.. and the bug would link back to git. |
| [18:16:50] | xris: | we're going to try using Jira for mythweb... |
| [18:17:50] | skd5aner: | xris: but, regardles... a commit message which contains a ticket number or other commit number mentioned in it won't automatically link to that ticket or commit within github? |
| [18:18:07] | wagnerrp: | so when you say 'attach as a file', what do people read that causes them to paste it directly into a ticket? |
| [18:18:30] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm concerned about the discussion of the windows build script in Re: [mythtv] Packages from source ? (Was: ANNOUNCEMENT: MythTV is moving to Github) |
| [18:18:48] | sphery: | then again, I don't know if the windows build script actually uses svn or gets a tar/zip ball |
| [18:18:57] | sphery: | so may not be that important |
| [18:19:40] | wagnerrp: | i didnt notice there was discussion, just mention |
| [18:19:47] | wagnerrp: | (unless maildrop is again dropping mail) |
| [18:20:52] | ThisNewGuy: | hi all – if you build two different machine from source – do you have both "git clone <http site>" or do you have one clone http and the other clone the first, I ask because I have several patches and I feel like the git way is to clone a local repo |
| [18:21:00] | skd5aner: | previously, I'd browse each commit in -commits ML, then if a -commit had a ticket number in it, I could open the commit log in trac, and click the ticket number and read the ticket |
| [18:21:10] | wagnerrp: | you can copy one cloned repository from the other |
| [18:21:18] | wagnerrp: | you dont have to pull the entire thing from github both times |
| [18:21:28] | skd5aner: | or, if the commit referenced a previous commit (such as a backport), I could click on the referenced commit number and read it |
| [18:21:53] | skd5aner: | it doesn't appear the github has a similiar "linking" functionality? |
| [18:22:03] | ThisNewGuy: | wagnerrp: how do you copy? do you use the git daemon or nfs or something else? |
| [18:23:07] | sphery: | ThisNewGuy: git branch? |
| [18:23:30] | wagnerrp: | 'cp', 'rsync', 'scp', whatever you want |
| [18:23:50] | ** wagnerrp leaves this one open as an exercise to the reader ** | |
| [18:23:57] | sphery: | ThisNewGuy: or, as wagnerrp said, tar cjf mythtv-git-`date +'%Y%m%d_%H%M%S'`.tar.bz2 mythtv , then copy the tar file over |
| [18:23:58] | ** awalls wonders if git supports file:// URis ** | |
| [18:24:38] | ThisNewGuy: | sphery: If I do that, and then git pull in the future, where will git pull pull from? |
| [18:24:48] | sphery: | ThisNewGuy: both would pull from github |
| [18:25:10] | sphery: | ThisNewGuy: or you could git pull on one, then tar cjf mythtv-git-`date +'%Y%m%d_%H%M%S'`.tar.bz2 mythtv , then copy the tar file over |
| [18:25:11] | wagnerrp: | its exactly no different than svn worked in that regard |
| [18:25:36] | sphery: | ThisNewGuy: you could do a local clone, too, if you like |
| [18:26:02] | sphery: | ThisNewGuy: (where I'm assuming "local" means local to your network, but on different machines--if not, there's no reason to have 2 repos) |
| [18:26:27] | sphery: | git branch would work fine for 2 different builds on one machine/one repo |
| [18:27:17] | sphery: | ThisNewGuy: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/gittutorial.html see, "Using git for collaboration" (and note that git also supports native protocol, rsync, and http |
| [18:27:29] | sphery: | that's the approach you suggested' |
| [18:27:57] | sphery: | which would work fine (and only use Internet/github bandwidth once)--but requires you to better understand git :) |
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| [18:29:22] | ThisNewGuy: | sphery: thanks! I develop on machine A, but also want machine B to get patches from A and upstream. That tutorial looks like what I want (thanks again!) |
| [18:29:54] | sphery: | ThisNewGuy: good luck |
| [18:34:28] | sphery: | only problem with that git tutorial is that--although it has both Bob and Alice--Moriarty never shows up |
| [18:34:59] | sphery: | at least /we/ don't see him there... Never know, though, with Moriarty. |
| [18:36:45] | wagnerrp: | hes the kind of guy who will push you off a cliff when you least suspect it |
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| [18:37:45] | ThisNewGuy: | wow – git's pretty awesome – I used to push patches around my network – now I can just git pull |
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| [18:41:00] | sphery: | yeah, I'm now sold on git |
| [18:41:27] | sphery: | the learning curve is definitely bigger than many other VCS, but it's very nice once you start to understand it |
| [18:42:27] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: we have similar linking capabilities, but it's currently borked |
| [18:43:11] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: ok, good to hear |
| [18:44:12] | Beirdo: | the github trac plugin is kinda half-working at this point |
| [18:44:57] | ThisNewGuy: | uh oh – does the build require git 1.7.x? |
| [18:45:11] | wagnerrp: | beirdo: it looks like the post_commit hook is completely independent of trac? |
| [18:45:22] | Beirdo: | ThisNewGuy: sanity requires git 1.7.x |
| [18:45:34] | ThisNewGuy: | bummer |
| [18:45:51] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: we hit trac with a post-commit hook from github |
| [18:46:05] | Beirdo: | it just doesn't seem to want to put in the links |
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| [18:46:14] | wagnerrp: | yes, but trac is python, the hook is perl |
| [18:46:24] | Beirdo: | no |
| [18:46:25] | wagnerrp: | so it seems its effectively detached |
| [18:46:39] | Beirdo: | the hook I speak of is the github plugin for trac |
| [18:46:47] | Beirdo: | which we also hit |
| [18:46:56] | wagnerrp: | then what is the hook you have in the repository? |
| [18:47:02] | Beirdo: | gah. :) |
| [18:47:08] | Beirdo: | it generates the emails |
| [18:47:19] | Beirdo: | yeah, I could add linking in there too |
| [18:47:34] | wagnerrp: | so there are two separate hooks, both hit by github |
| [18:47:44] | Beirdo: | but the ones in trac (closes #1234) is the github trac plugin, and it's broken |
| [18:47:47] | wagnerrp: | (because you didnt want to learn how to send email from python... :P) |
| [18:48:07] | Beirdo: | there are two separate hooks because they are two separate functions |
| [18:48:57] | wagnerrp: | im just wondering what i need to update to make this web applet to feed ticket revisions |
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| [18:49:13] | wagnerrp: | ideally, i can store everything there, and use it to feed the timeline page |
| [18:49:23] | wagnerrp: | hopefully, make it a bit faster than the current code |
| [18:49:42] | Beirdo: | well, you can use my current email hook as a basis (even if you do it in python) :) |
| [18:50:03] | wagnerrp: | im talking about replacing the trac hook |
| [18:50:09] | Beirdo: | ah |
| [18:50:16] | Beirdo: | yeah, you'd want that in python :) |
| [18:50:33] | wagnerrp: | also, is trac still on sqlite? |
| [18:50:46] | Beirdo: | the github plugin does two things... 1) links browse source to github (and changesets) |
| [18:50:49] | wagnerrp: | i saw a sqlite database in there, and no mention of mysql access |
| [18:50:54] | Beirdo: | 2) ticket linking |
| [18:51:00] | Beirdo: | #2 is borked |
| [18:51:08] | Beirdo: | yes, we are on sqlite |
| [18:51:22] | Beirdo: | the mysql stuff doesn't work right, and caused massive issues |
| [18:51:28] | wagnerrp: | pity |
| [18:51:31] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [18:51:41] | Beirdo: | apparently, it doesn't work right for 0.12 yet |
| [18:52:10] | Beirdo: | that's what was causing the random crashes, it seems |
| [18:52:23] | wagnerrp: | now the trac commit hook is basically just there to tell it to pull on its local repo? |
| [18:52:25] | Beirdo: | as when we switched back to sqlite, it just started working |
| [18:52:30] | wagnerrp: | it really doesnt do anything? |
| [18:52:59] | Beirdo: | it pulls its own repo, and it also redirects browser and change request URLs to github |
| [18:53:21] | wagnerrp: | you know, ill bet it was some database locking issue |
| [18:53:31] | ** skd5aner has been good a lighting a fire under people's butts lately ;) ** | |
| [18:53:33] | Beirdo: | it was probably something like that, yeah |
| [18:53:35] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [18:53:52] | wagnerrp: | the python database connections are not thread safe |
| [18:53:58] | Beirdo: | we can look at it again, but we needed it working pronto. |
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| [18:54:30] | wagnerrp: | since the python seems to be loaded in memory once at the beginning, unlike php which is loaded at runtime |
| [18:54:49] | wagnerrp: | its feasible that its sharing off the same connection among multiple threads |
| [18:55:08] | wagnerrp: | and using a persistent mysql connection |
| [18:57:23] | wagnerrp: | since mysql doesnt really do transactions, you only get one active transaction per connection |
| [18:57:54] | wagnerrp: | so when writing a database module, you either get transactions and server side result caching |
| [18:58:06] | wagnerrp: | or you get thread safety and fully atomic operations |
| [18:58:09] | wagnerrp: | you cant have both |
| [18:58:40] | Beirdo: | could well be |
| [18:59:30] | wagnerrp: | something i ran into when i added in the connection caching in the bindings |
| [18:59:47] | wagnerrp: | RDV's stuff was threaded, and broke instantly |
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| [19:00:52] | wagnerrp: | sphery: IMHO, 'cheap' has a very bad connotation |
| [19:02:21] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: is this the one were using? http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/GitPlugin |
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| [19:05:48] | skd5aner: | None of the backports to fixes/0.24 references the original commit – would it be possible to refernce those in the commit log? |
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| [19:08:20] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: why are we not using the persistent_cache? |
| [19:08:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I agree--and it fits for frame grabbers :) |
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| [19:08:57] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: because it is broken |
| [19:09:06] | wagnerrp: | oh? well that is a problem |
| [19:09:15] | Beirdo: | you do that, it can no longer see who committed, the date of the commit, etc |
| [19:09:34] | Beirdo: | that plugin is half-assed, but it may not take much to fix |
| [19:09:45] | Beirdo: | for someone with both inspiration and the skills |
| [19:09:52] | sphery: | if only we had an amazing Python dev... |
| [19:09:57] | sphery: | oh, wait, we do! |
| [19:10:00] | sphery: | ;) |
| [19:10:05] | ** wagnerrp goes and looks for onw ** | |
| [19:10:08] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [19:10:22] | Beirdo: | ideally, we'd use persistant caching, and the problem would go away |
| [19:10:32] | wagnerrp: | Anduin: you do some python, right? |
| [19:10:40] | wagnerrp: | i think i saw your name as the last one on the binding |
| [19:10:41] | wagnerrp: | s |
| [19:12:10] | sphery: | I think he mainly inherited them because of the metadata grabber stuff |
| [19:12:43] | wagnerrp: | metadata grabbers werent python until RDV came around and rewrote all of them |
| [19:12:47] | sphery: | I don't think he wants to be a python dev, though (and don't know that he has a lot of experience with it, either) |
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| [19:12:56] | sphery: | imdbpy was |
| [19:13:17] | sphery: | and he was looking into that because of the imdb license |
| [19:13:24] | sphery: | since we couldn't continue with imdb.pl |
| [19:15:02] | sphery: | anyway, he probably knows it pretty well, so he might be able to help |
| [19:15:12] | wagnerrp: | no, i was just joking |
| [19:15:18] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [19:15:25] | sphery: | I get it, now... |
| [19:15:33] | sphery: | sorry--I'm slow today |
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| [19:17:09] | granier21: | skd5aner: you here? |
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| [19:17:30] | skd5aner: | yes |
| [19:17:57] | sphery: | jya: Wrote up an e-mail to Udo disputing all his "yes I did read the home page" claims, but decided I shouldn't send it. Anyway, it's obvious he didn't even click the link you sent since it was more fun to berate you for trying to help. I think your approach is perfect--don't let it happen again (where "it" = helping Udo). |
| [19:18:00] | granier21: | so I discovereded something a bit annoying about myth CD ripper |
| [19:18:06] | granier21: | skd5aner: ^^ |
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| [19:18:20] | granier21: | the oggs are corrupt |
| [19:18:30] | sphery: | how so? |
| [19:18:36] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: why not do something like {{mythcommit|rev|{{repo|mythtv}}}} |
| [19:18:37] | granier21: | at least ogginfo complains |
| [19:19:01] | granier21: | skd5aner: at first I blamed picard |
| [19:19:16] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: because I'm not a wiki template creation guru, but that's a good idea |
| [19:19:33] | granier21: | but I found out even my oggs unmolested with picard were corrupt |
| [19:19:45] | granier21: | sigh |
| [19:20:01] | granier21: | skd5aner: anyway, what do you use to rip cds? |
| [19:20:12] | wagnerrp: | EAC here |
| [19:20:20] | skd5aner: | Exact Audio Copy |
| [19:20:30] | skd5aner: | (same as Wagnerrp just said) |
| [19:20:34] | granier21: | heh |
| [19:20:35] | skd5aner: | with lame |
| [19:20:57] | wagnerrp: | with flac |
| [19:21:09] | granier21: | skd5aner: bah |
| [19:21:31] | skd5aner: | you can use EAC with basically any codec you want |
| [19:21:31] | granier21: | sigh |
| [19:21:32] | wagnerrp: | and mp3fs |
| [19:21:57] | granier21: | konqueror did a bteer job of cd ripping than myth |
| [19:22:03] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: if mp3fs existed in 2002, I might have went that route... but I'm not starting over now ;) |
| [19:22:05] | granier21: | better* |
| [19:22:07] | wagnerrp: | mp3fs = teh awesome |
| [19:22:27] | wagnerrp: | do you know how hard it actually is to type "teh"? |
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| [19:22:36] | granier21: | at least the oggs konqueror produces are ogg compliant |
| [19:22:53] | wagnerrp: | not only do your fingers really not want to do it, your IRC client fights you and keeps correcting it |
| [19:22:57] | granier21: | no holes and broken streams |
| [19:23:22] | sphery: | granier21: might also be related to mythtv and your system using different Ogg versions? |
| [19:23:25] | sphery: | maybe? |
| [19:23:28] | skd5aner: | granier21: I don't think MythTV's ripper has ever really competed for "best CD ripper" ;) |
| [19:23:42] | skd5aner: | but it should "work" |
| [19:23:43] | granier21: | skd5aner: yeah, no doubt |
| [19:23:47] | sphery: | (though the binary format should be mostly compatible--and I'd guess it would recognize the differences...) |
| [19:23:49] | granier21: | but I was lazy |
| [19:24:09] | granier21: | thought it was the easiest way to massive rip |
| [19:24:20] | skd5aner: | granier21: just know, MythMusic is basically undergoing a complete re-write right now, so I would imagine that would also include parts of the ripper – although much of that code will probably be reused |
| [19:24:34] | granier21: | only later I found out it produced corruppted oggs |
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| [19:29:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | ha! "No user-servicable parts inside." ... |
| [19:31:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: you guys did an awesome job on the Theme Chooser – it's perfect!!! ;-) |
| [19:32:53] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: You can thank Captain_Murdoch (if he were here)... he wrote the guts, I just wrote the initial US |
| [19:32:55] | iamlindoro: | er UI |
| [19:33:11] | iamlindoro: | But I'm sure he'd be glad to hear it :) |
| [19:33:46] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: how's that? |
| [19:33:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Yeah, I couldn't remember who else worked on it with you, so I just said "you guys" ;-) |
| [19:34:06] | sphery: | Beirdo: nice work... just clicked an svn changeset thing in Trac and went to the github changeset! |
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| [19:34:20] | Diverdude: | what audio do you guys have for your HTPC? |
| [19:34:29] | wagnerrp: | LPCM over HDMI |
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| [19:34:46] | Diverdude: | wagnerrp, LPCM? |
| [19:35:02] | wagnerrp: | linear pulse coded modulation |
| [19:35:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Diverdude: I've been running Analog for years, but just got an LCD TV, so I'll be stiching to HDMI on that at some point. |
| [19:35:30] | sphery: | Beirdo: heh, nvm... that was actually a "valid" first-5 SHA1 hash |
| [19:35:35] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:35:39] | Beirdo: | exactly :) |
| [19:36:09] | Diverdude: | J-e-f-f-A, yeah i also have lcd-led tv...i think some digital system is better |
| [19:36:34] | Diverdude: | wagnerrp, ok...what product are you then using? |
| [19:36:51] | wagnerrp: | a samsung tv |
| [19:37:16] | Diverdude: | wagnerrp, ok, and using audio through tv-speakers? |
| [19:37:25] | wagnerrp: | uh huh |
| [19:37:33] | Diverdude: | wagnerrp, no specific audio setup? |
| [19:38:25] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp:?? |
| [19:38:33] | skd5aner: | how's what? |
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| [19:38:54] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Template:GitCommit and http://mythtv.org/wiki/Template:MythThemesCommit |
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| [19:40:06] | skd5aner: | hmmm, let me play around, thanks for taking a stab |
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| [19:42:53] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea, that's good... thanks! |
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| [19:46:10] | skd5aner: | although lower case C would be nice, I'm going to move it so that I can use the template in all lower case... |
| [19:46:27] | wagnerrp: | feel free to move it to whatever you want |
| [19:46:42] | wagnerrp: | just let me know and ill clean up the spare pages when youre done |
| [19:47:32] | skd5aner: | you mean the explicit repository ones I already created? |
| [19:47:52] | wagnerrp: | whatever pages have been created and arent going to be used |
| [19:48:13] | skd5aner: | yea, I'll go ahead and replace all of those templates where I used them and then the templates themselves can go ahead and be deleted |
| [19:48:42] | skd5aner: | there should only be a couple I believe MythTVCommits and MythThemes – I didn't need to create any for the other repos yet |
| [19:49:17] | skd5aner: | er, MythTVCommit and MythThemesCommit |
| [19:50:56] | granier21: | skd5aner: so once you rip your audiocds with EAC, how do you get into mythdb (or you just don't bother)? |
| [19:51:18] | wagnerrp: | just put them in the proper directory and scan |
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| [19:52:21] | granier21: | I think I'm gonna try my luck with grip |
| [19:52:44] | granier21: | only one windoze machine here and thus I can't parallel task |
| [19:54:27] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: all done – you can remove those two templates now if you'd like – thanks |
| [19:55:21] | skd5aner: | granier21: yes, as wagnerrp said – dump them in whatever fold mythmusic has access to |
| [19:56:31] | skd5aner: | granier21: my music folder is actually on my windows machine, shared via a RO CIFS share to mythmusic – I manage my music folders/files manually |
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| [19:57:14] | granier21: | skd5aner: mostly unix machines here so my music dir is on nfs |
| [19:57:28] | skd5aner: | EAC works wonders on bad discs, I could care less about it's tagging capabilities, as I still run them through musicbrainz picard after EAC produces the files |
| [19:57:42] | wagnerrp: | how much less could you care? |
| [19:57:46] | granier21: | skd5aner: yeah, no doubt |
| [19:58:12] | skd5aner: | granier21: it's the only thing I use CIFS for (and just so I have another writeable folder as a drop box between my *nix servers and my windows devices) |
| [19:58:31] | granier21: | skd5aner: seriously, look into a dockstar :) |
| [19:58:50] | granier21: | skd5aner: no more need for "boxes" |
| [19:58:53] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: not a whole lot less. I suppose I could really /try/ and care less, but that's almost a paradox in and of itself |
| [20:00:43] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: these are the two that can be deleted – http://mythtv.org/wiki/Template:MythThemesCommit and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Template:MythTVCommit |
| [20:00:47] | skd5aner: | thanks |
| [20:00:53] | wagnerrp: | and the MasterCommit? |
| [20:01:26] | skd5aner: | yea, sorry – forgot about that one, was just going to test with that one |
| [20:01:39] | skd5aner: | so you can delete it too |
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| [20:06:00] | granier21: | damn |
| [20:06:17] | granier21: | grip code is a bit stale |
| [20:06:59] | wagnerrp: | the current development version is build using fedora core 2.... heh |
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| [20:07:41] | wagnerrp: | oliphant, ive see that name before |
| [20:07:55] | iamlindoro: | Justified |
| [20:08:04] | iamlindoro: | + Hitman, etc. |
| [20:08:09] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but seems thats olyphant |
| [20:08:48] | Spida: | are there any known issues with cutting of recordings in 0.24? in 0.23 it worked fine for me, after the upgrade I can enter edit mode with "E", but then mythtv hangs or at least is extremely slow (not sure which) |
| [20:08:52] | granier21: | heck, maybe abcde for full power |
| [20:13:06] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: updated it with usage notes – http://mythtv.org/wiki/Template:Gitcommit |
| [20:13:44] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i tried to do that, but couldnt figure out how to get wiki to format it properly |
| [20:14:06] | wagnerrp: | they were being processed in a <pre>, but nothing (even endlines) were being processed in a <nowiki> |
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| [20:20:17] | wagnerrp: | why are all these people forking mythtv into private repositories? |
| [20:22:29] | wagnerrp: | or fork to a public one and make no changes |
| [20:22:43] | high-rez: | isn't that the git way of doing things? :P |
| [20:22:54] | wagnerrp: | is there some miscommunication there? do they think they need to make their own github fork to download it? |
| [20:23:21] | high-rez: | Is the svn tree kept in sync with git – or is svn gone all together now? |
| [20:23:35] | wagnerrp: | the svn tree is now static |
| [20:23:39] | wagnerrp: | for archival purposes only |
| [20:25:15] | high-rez: | One of these days I'm gonna have to learn git |
| [20:25:33] | high-rez: | The one thing I know git has going for it is that it's not mercurial. |
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| [20:34:45] | GlemSom: | Since upgrading to 0.24, Mythweb no-longer has thumbnails of my recordings... I'm a bit unsure where to start debugging this...? I've tried to delete all png files in my storage for recordings – to force a refresh... But made no difference |
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| [20:40:31] | GlemSom: | Ahh neverminid... my PHP upgrade messed with php.ini – which for mythweb REQUIRES allow_url_fopen |
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| [20:50:09] | ** skd5aner is so excited for remote control of MNV! ** | |
| [20:51:22] | high-rez: | mnv? |
| [20:51:31] | wagnerrp: | mythnetvision |
| [20:51:49] | skd5aner: | hey, I had a quick question related to content in youtube – sometimes when I try to play back something in MNV, I'll get a copyright notice and it can't be played – but I can play the same video on the same machine in firefox – what's the restriction for myth? |
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| [20:52:46] | wagnerrp: | something to do with how it accesses the player directly, perhaps? |
| [20:52:47] | iamlindoro: | Not very video can be played as retrieved from the API |
| [20:52:58] | iamlindoro: | You playing it form firefox is not the same as getting a result from the API |
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| [20:53:21] | iamlindoro: | If you opened up mythbrowser, went to youtube, and played the video, it'd likely work fine |
| [20:53:41] | iamlindoro: | but you need to break this mistaken habit of thinking that MNV == as opened in a browser :) |
| [20:54:55] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: well, I guess I did think of it as MNV being a feed reader that opens the links in MythBrowser, I suppose that's probably an incorrect way of looking at it your saying |
| [20:55:10] | iamlindoro: | Correct (in that yes, that is the incorrect way of looking at it) |
| [20:55:11] | skd5aner: | (of course, I'm simplifying it too) :) |
| [20:55:31] | iamlindoro: | MNV *can* reed RSS feeds, but only because I designed MNV's XML format to closely approximate RSS |
| [20:55:48] | iamlindoro: | to minimize the amount of data massage necessary when writing grabbers to parse/present multiple RSS feeds |
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| [20:56:09] | iamlindoro: | That's why it allows RSS feeds-- because thanks to the design, that functionality was more or less "for free" |
| [20:56:09] | skd5aner: | next time I run into an example as I was mentioning, I'll try and see if I can find the same video in mythbrowser and see if it works there |
| [20:56:29] | skd5aner: | worthwhile test |
| [20:57:07] | skd5aner: | heh, has my assumption been habitual? :) |
| [20:57:21] | iamlindoro: | Yes, you've asked the "search results" question a few times |
| [20:57:28] | iamlindoro: | (and I've always answered it the same way) |
| [20:57:28] | skd5aner: | I know I've wondered why the API provides inconsistent search results |
| [20:58:03] | iamlindoro: | Maybe it's the web that provides inconsistent results :P |
| [20:58:05] | skd5aner: | Yea, but honestly I do understand the resultant set of what the API provides is completely not related to a web based search on their site :) |
| [20:58:23] | skd5aner: | ... and also not to the fault of MNV |
| [20:58:46] | skd5aner: | doesn't mean I don't wonder none-the-less why inconsistencies do exist :) |
| [21:00:13] | skd5aner: | I found that the best examples for both (playback not working directly in MNV due to the API and search return differences) are music videos... mainly any of those provided by vevo on youtube |
| [21:00:25] | skd5aner: | they typically don't return at all in the search results via the API |
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| [21:01:00] | skd5aner: | I have found, however, that hulu is an alright alternative for finding and playing back music videos via MNV |
| [21:01:29] | skd5aner: | MTV, of course, still likes to make it difficult to watch music videos – go figure :S |
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| [23:00:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: In the official HOWTO, should I recommend users use the mythwikiscripts script to download lirc config files from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:LIRC_Configuration_Files& nbsp;? |
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| [23:03:33] | pjcrux: | question I was about earlier and am still having issues with the update through rpmfusion for 0.24. I am experiencing the following error: Error: Package: mythweather-0.24–2.fc12.x86_64 (rpmfusion-free-updates) Requires: perl(Date::Manip::TZ) |
| [23:04:40] | pjcrux: | I've done --skip-broken, I've installed perl, perl-Date, perl-Date-Manip, and I still cannot get past the problem. Is there anyone out there that running Fedora 12 x86_64 bit and had the same problem? and yes I've googled for an answer |
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| [23:11:17] | wagnerrp: | sphery: if you want, sure |
| [23:11:28] | wagnerrp: | just note that the python bindings need to be installed for that to work |
| [23:11:50] | wagnerrp: | id like to improve the handling of some of that stuff though |
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| [23:17:40] | wagnerrp: | seems the scifi shows are starting back up tonight |
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| [23:20:19] | pjcrux: | wagnerrp: which ones are you referring to? |
| [23:20:25] | pjcrux: | scifi |
| [23:20:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: cool, it seems to work well enough to mention--though many of hte pages seem to lack support (which we can clean up over time) |
| [23:20:53] | ** wagnerrp refuses to call it syfy ** | |
| [23:21:15] | wagnerrp: | sphery: id still like a cleaner way to handle it than downloading everything each time |
| [23:21:51] | wagnerrp: | i could write a wiki plugin to do so |
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| [23:24:28] | sphery: | I think it would be nice to have a "multilevel" menu--its output is getting kind of long, so start by offering categories, like Channel Change Scripts , then list only those from that category |
| [23:24:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [23:24:48] | sphery: | not that you need to do that right now or anything... just a "nice to have when we get time" |
| [23:25:01] | wagnerrp: | would also be nice to allow multiple categories per script |
| [23:25:14] | sphery: | (where "we" may actually mean you since I don't speak python, so if nothing else, if I do it, you'll have to fix what I make :) |
| [23:25:15] | wagnerrp: | maybe have it use the page categories instead of its owwwwwwwwn |
| [23:25:26] | sphery: | ah, yeah, that would be cool |
| [23:25:46] | sphery: | I'm cleaning up the howto's refs to contrib stuff--only reason I started looking |
| [23:26:26] | sphery: | (started looking, again) |
| [23:28:23] | jannau: | does anyone know how fast/if google acts on 'flag as inappropiate' request in the android market? |
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| [23:31:09] | russell5: | i know they do not sure how fast. i think it take a certain amount of flags before they do |
| [23:32:09] | sphery: | lots of people complain on threads that they're very slow |
| [23:32:24] | sphery: | I'm sure if you can work a DMCA claim into it, it will be handled much faster :) |
| [23:33:09] | sphery: | I love how people say, "Android is open source, so they can't control it." |
| [23:33:17] | sphery: | Android Market != Android |
| [23:33:50] | jannau: | ok, the 'MythtV' app can use a few reports for using our name/brand/trademark without permission |
| [23:35:15] | jannau: | we don't want to be associated with an app which just crashes |
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| [23:35:49] | jannau: | and might steal sms and contact data before |
| [23:38:23] | Azelphur: | an evil app on the market you say? |
| [23:38:26] | ** Azelphur looks ** | |
| [23:39:27] | Azelphur: | jannau: did you mean MythTV? |
| [23:39:30] | jannau: | at least a broken app |
| [23:39:34] | jannau: | yes |
| [23:39:56] | jannau: | with suspicious permissions |
| [23:39:57] | Azelphur: | I see an app called MythTV in the market, but it's just a remote |
| [23:40:00] | Azelphur: | is that what your talking about? |
| [23:40:04] | jannau: | yes |
| [23:40:15] | Azelphur: | why report that? it's just a remote lol |
| [23:40:37] | Azelphur: | I suppose the name is a bit silly but besides that it's not particularly evil |
| [23:40:53] | jannau: | it just claims to be a remote |
| [23:41:05] | sphery: | wagnerrp: wonder how many of the pages that "don't support the mythwikiscripts program" are actually just due to wiki caching |
| [23:41:17] | Azelphur: | jannau: and really it is...? |
| [23:41:26] | wagnerrp: | sphery: dont know |
| [23:41:34] | Azelphur: | is it evil malware or is it just a buggy app? |
| [23:42:24] | Azelphur: | I see one guy in the comments who got it working, you can't flag as inappropriate and go after someone because their app is buggy :p |
| [23:42:32] | Azelphur: | just uninstall it and tick it didn't work for me and leave a comment |
| [23:42:48] | jannau: | I don't know and I won't install it |
| [23:43:03] | Wicked: | then how can you say its malware? |
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| [23:43:47] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: because its closed source, and it apparently requires permissions it shouldnt need for what it claims to do |
| [23:43:49] | Wicked: | also it does not claim to be associated with mythtv(from what i see) |
| [23:44:02] | Wicked: | i dont think youll get far getting it removed |
| [23:44:07] | jannau: | Azelphur: the name is already already enough to flag it as inappropiate |
| [23:44:57] | Azelphur: | I think it just looks like some kid has had a crack at making a remote app and hasn't done very well |
| [23:45:46] | jannau: | I never claimed that it is malware just that I suspect it is |
| [23:46:19] | Azelphur: | I suppose I'll leave a comment and point out the problems |
| [23:46:23] | Azelphur: | communication is golden :) |
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| [23:46:51] | Azelphur: | or even better I can send him an email. |
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| [23:47:31] | jannau: | I already sent a mail |
| [23:47:56] | Azelphur: | that works |
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| [23:51:38] | iamlindoro: | Note that nobody has permission to use the name MythTV on a product *period*, which was jannau's point. Just because the project is open source does not mean we are not entitled to defend our name, and an application which is minimally a piece of garbage and at worse a piece of malware damages us at either end of the spectrum |
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