| Thursday, December 2nd, 2010, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:10] | wagnerrp: | kenni: yeah, they have been there and deactivated for a while now |
| [00:01:02] | kenni: | wagnerrp, ok, do you know if the new beta works with VDPAU on a stage video source? |
| [00:01:38] | iamlindoro: | kenni, 10.2 works on with crystalhd |
| [00:01:51] | iamlindoro: | also, note that it is *not* video decode that make flash CPU intensive |
| [00:02:01] | iamlindoro: | it is scaling and colorspace conversion |
| [00:02:05] | wagnerrp: | kenni: the code is there, which means they are working on it, but it is deactivated |
| [00:02:06] | iamlindoro: | which hardware accel does *nothing* for |
| [00:02:30] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, unless the video source is h264? |
| [00:02:32] | wagnerrp: | any sensible video player will use hardware acceleration for scaling and colorspace conversion |
| [00:02:34] | iamlindoro: | so yes, you can offload trash to hardware to decode the video... but that's not solving the problem that causes flash to suck up cycles |
| [00:02:43] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, at 3 mbit? |
| [00:02:46] | wagnerrp: | thats why mythtv considers Xv support to be a bare minimum |
| [00:02:51] | iamlindoro: | even h.264 over trash is a joke |
| [00:02:59] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
| [00:03:01] | wagnerrp: | and the X11 and Xshm outputs are really only there for debugging |
| [00:03:24] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, I'm sure sphery would be happy to give his explanation of this one :) |
| [00:03:30] | iamlindoro: | flash is not a sensible video player, though |
| [00:03:42] | wagnerrp: | there is absolutely no reason why adobe couldnt have written in support for the various video output mechanisms on the various operating systems... |
| [00:03:47] | sphery: | in other words, decoding low-resolution, low-bitrate H.264 is easy compared to the software scaling and color conversion flash does |
| [00:03:47] | wagnerrp: | ... they just... didnt |
| [00:03:49] | iamlindoro: | I just think it's unfortunate that people get so psyched about hardware decode in flash... when it's not really solving the problem |
| [00:04:10] | sphery: | because flash devs refuse to use a color space that allows for hardware support in *nix |
| [00:04:44] | wagnerrp: | sphery: still no reason they couldnt just switch full over to opengl |
| [00:04:56] | wagnerrp: | its supported on all major operating systems and hardware |
| [00:04:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: they use opengl |
| [00:05:06] | wagnerrp: | let opengl do the scaling |
| [00:05:11] | wagnerrp: | (like we do) |
| [00:05:52] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguinswf/2008/05/fla . . . the_gpu.html |
| [00:06:07] | iamlindoro: | Note that the author of that blog is an ffmpeg dev |
| [00:06:10] | sphery: | that said, they're clueless on how to do it right, so it doesn't work on any real-world system |
| [00:06:17] | k-man: | oh, i just read mythtv is moving to github |
| [00:06:19] | k-man: | thats cool |
| [00:06:32] | sphery: | iamlindoro: which blog? the one I linked? |
| [00:06:35] | iamlindoro: | sphery, yes |
| [00:06:54] | iamlindoro: | !url lmgtfy Mike Melanson ffmpeg |
| [00:06:54] | MythLogBot: | lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=Mike%20Melanson%20ffmpeg |
| [00:07:29] | sphery: | so adobe is his day job? |
| [00:07:33] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [00:07:51] | sphery: | so it's probably the "is acceleration doesn't automatically speed up legacy content. Instead, new SWF content has to be authored specifically to take advantage of this." that's the real problem? |
| [00:07:58] | sphery: | s/is/This |
| [00:08:00] | sphery: | stupid mouse |
| [00:08:16] | iamlindoro: | Don't know, honestly |
| [00:08:44] | sphery: | well, I've never seen a system where it worked--and I have all those features required |
| [00:09:40] | sphery: | ok, this system seems to lack the final 4 of 5 |
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| [00:11:38] | sphery: | but my frontend system, which has nvidia proprietary drivers--and on which I've actually tried full-screen flash video, has them all |
| [00:11:49] | sphery: | so now I'm wondering if my video card just can't handle it |
| [00:13:27] | sphery: | 1. Just because the Flash Player is using the video card for rendering does not mean it will be faster. In the majority of cases your content will become slower. |
| [00:13:30] | sphery: | http://www.kaourantin.net/2008/05/what-does-g . . . on-mean.html |
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| [00:13:35] | sphery: | interesting |
| [00:14:13] | kenni: | sphery: have you read http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODg1NQ |
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| [00:14:33] | sphery: | have not |
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| [00:15:24] | kenni: | "Stage Video pushes off the H.264 decoding, video rendering pipeline, color conversion, scaling, and blitting all to the graphics processor rather than the CPU. While we knew Adobe was working on video acceleration for the Linux Flash client, this morning all we knew is that with this new release containing Stage Video there was OpenGL being used for the frame compositing. Now though we can confirm that Adobe's Stage Video on Linux is implemen |
| [00:15:26] | sphery: | interestingly--unlike the CrystalHD support (with which users were seeing about a 5% CPU usage drop)--vdpau could conceivably make Flash fast |
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| [00:16:05] | wagnerrp: | sphery: github is broken, keeps trying to give me checkouts from 0.20 |
| [00:16:44] | sphery: | I don't know git/checkout/... stuff |
| [00:17:01] | sphery: | I'm guessing there's more to it than appears, though |
| [00:17:08] | wagnerrp: | how do we get ourself added to the project? |
| [00:17:13] | sphery: | maybe Beirdo knows |
| [00:17:21] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, 0.20 is the new trunk |
| [00:17:24] | wagnerrp: | (on github) |
| [00:17:32] | sphery: | for getting added to the Developers list, you need to tell Beirdo your account name |
| [00:17:45] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: wagnerrp ^^^ |
| [00:19:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, downloading MythTV/mythtv/tarball/master pulls something from 0.20, revision 13500 |
| [00:19:27] | wagnerrp: | seems like some weird hash collision |
| [00:21:51] | Beirdo: | K :) |
| [00:22:08] | Beirdo: | added |
| [00:22:29] | wagnerrp: | its funky, since this was working just 2 hours ago |
| [00:22:38] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what would have changed since then |
| [00:23:02] | Beirdo: | hmm? |
| [00:23:16] | sphery: | maybe becuse they're rearranging the stuff? |
| [00:24:05] | wagnerrp: | if i try to pull a source tarball off trunk on gitweb, it pulls from 0.20 |
| [00:24:34] | Beirdo: | oh. |
| [00:24:38] | Beirdo: | don't do that :) |
| [00:24:53] | sphery: | why not? |
| [00:25:01] | wagnerrp: | specifically, 'MythTV-mythtv-v0.20-13500-gc771e41.tar.gz' |
| [00:25:05] | sphery: | the scripts out there need some way to get a tarball |
| [00:25:10] | Beirdo: | from github? |
| [00:25:14] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [00:25:25] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [00:25:27] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [00:25:27] | sphery: | like gentoo ebuilds and windows/mac osx build script |
| [00:25:31] | wagnerrp: | thats what the gentoo ebuilds previously did |
| [00:25:33] | Beirdo: | maybe that's the last tag it found |
| [00:25:38] | wagnerrp: | pulls a zip file from trac |
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| [00:25:51] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: but the thing is, it worked great 2 hours ago when sphery pointed it out to me |
| [00:25:52] | Beirdo: | we'll figure it out |
| [00:25:59] | wagnerrp: | i go eat dinner, come back, and its all broken |
| [00:26:03] | sphery: | yeah, I have a feeling it's the changes being made |
| [00:26:08] | sphery: | go eat another dinner |
| [00:26:12] | sphery: | and maybe breakfast |
| [00:26:31] | Beirdo: | and where exactly are you choosing the .tar.gz? |
| [00:27:07] | wagnerrp: | im in the MythTV/master branch, i hit the 'downloads' button, and 'download .tar.gz' |
| [00:27:31] | Beirdo: | k. |
| [00:27:47] | Beirdo: | I think that was the last tag that was on master rather than on the branch |
| [00:27:47] | wagnerrp: | i actually pulled one and opened it |
| [00:27:54] | wagnerrp: | as far as i can find, the data is actually correct |
| [00:27:57] | wagnerrp: | the problem is just the filename |
| [00:28:22] | Beirdo: | that's saying 0.20 was the last tag in the tree (going back from the tip of master) |
| [00:28:34] | Beirdo: | and you are 13000+ commits after the tag |
| [00:28:52] | wagnerrp: | except... 0.24 was the last tag? |
| [00:28:54] | Beirdo: | sounds like the tags need fixing |
| [00:28:58] | Beirdo: | not on master |
| [00:29:03] | Beirdo: | that tag is on the branch |
| [00:29:12] | wagnerrp: | oh, right, since we dont tag off master anymore |
| [00:29:18] | Beirdo: | so if you go from master and walk up the tree... you don't see that tag |
| [00:29:24] | Beirdo: | which should get fixed |
| [00:29:59] | Beirdo: | that should say 0.24-number-sha1 |
| [00:30:17] | Beirdo: | but that will only work if the v0.24 tag is actually on master |
| [00:30:35] | Beirdo: | messy |
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| [00:31:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: does Jonathan M (windows guy) hang out here? |
| [00:32:04] | sphery: | If so, I think he needs to know what you were working |
| [00:32:15] | sphery: | as I think that will make him happy to know it's just a URI replacement |
| [00:32:32] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
| [00:33:21] | kormoc: | Beirdo, we should tag -trunk then something other then a version number |
| [00:34:26] | Beirdo: | it should be setup so the tag for v0.24 is on master where 0.24 branched off or something like that |
| [00:34:30] | Beirdo: | but yeah |
| [00:34:34] | Beirdo: | we just need more tags |
| [00:34:43] | Beirdo: | oooh |
| [00:34:50] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: if i define a variable in the ebuild before an inherit, is that variable within the scope of that inherited file? |
| [00:34:50] | Beirdo: | b0.24 where it branched off |
| [00:34:52] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [00:35:01] | Beirdo: | then v0.24 at 0.24 release |
| [00:35:01] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I think so, yes |
| [00:35:26] | wagnerrp: | meaning, i can define the revision hash in the ebuild, and the eclass inherited afterward will have access to it? |
| [00:35:37] | kormoc: | Aye, I think so |
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| [00:37:06] | wagnerrp: | has anyone decided how the version revision is going to be handled? |
| [00:37:15] | wagnerrp: | are we just putting the full commit hash in there? |
| [00:37:32] | Beirdo: | I think the idea is to use the same as what that tar gives you |
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| [00:37:39] | Beirdo: | but that depends on sane tagging |
| [00:37:44] | Beirdo: | gimme a sec |
| [00:38:10] | castlec1: | i'm getting a little closer guys. at this rate, i'll have pandora by new year's :) |
| [00:38:11] | sphery: | "Do not remove under penalty of law." |
| [00:38:30] | sphery: | make sure that's on all our tags |
| [00:39:08] | castlec1: | "Not to be removed except by the consumer" |
| [00:39:24] | sphery: | ah, but when you make the language clarify the meaning, it's no fun |
| [00:39:39] | sphery: | I love that people actually think the warning applies to them after they purchase the mattress |
| [00:40:04] | sphery: | castlec1: nice on the pandora support, though |
| [00:40:13] | castlec1: | hey, one baby step at a time |
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| [00:40:39] | sphery: | I tried a few of the hours of the 40 free listening hours and I liked what I heard |
| [00:40:52] | castlec1: | right now, I'm upgrading my build machine because I was apparantly linking against older lib versions |
| [00:40:53] | sphery: | So I'll be signing up for Pandora One soon |
| [00:41:08] | castlec1: | did you get cut off from within pianobar? |
| [00:41:10] | sphery: | I'm assuming you're a subscri8ber |
| [00:41:15] | sphery: | cut off? |
| [00:41:23] | castlec1: | i am not. i've only gotten close to the limit once |
| [00:41:31] | sphery: | I can still use pianobar--haven't come near the limit |
| [00:41:43] | sphery: | just figure that if I'm using the service, I should really be paying for it :) |
| [00:41:50] | castlec1: | they put ads in |
| [00:42:01] | castlec1: | not horrible amounts either |
| [00:42:07] | castlec1: | i'm willing to listen to them |
| [00:42:09] | sphery: | heh, I never noticed any ads |
| [00:42:29] | castlec1: | i haven't with pianobar. i wonder if they get filtered out somehow |
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| [00:43:57] | castlec1: | question, to output to the log, just write to stdout? |
| [00:44:03] | sphery: | I did notice that pianobar specificall says you should sign up for a subscription |
| [00:44:21] | iamlindoro: | castlec1, If you want to write to the log, use myth's built in VERBOSE macros |
| [00:44:42] | sphery: | Oh, no, wait. That was Pithos: http://kevinmehall.net/p/pithos/ , under, "What does Pithos mean for Pandora?", it says, "Out of concern for the the longevity of Pandora Media Inc., I would recommend subscribing to Pandora One, or at the very least, clicking ads on pandora.com." |
| [00:44:42] | castlec1: | i never noticed that. maybe it's because it is only using the hq service |
| [00:44:46] | iamlindoro: | VERBOSE(VB_GENERAL, QString("I am a log message and general verbosity."); |
| [00:44:51] | iamlindoro: | er |
| [00:44:54] | iamlindoro: | VERBOSE(VB_GENERAL, QString("I am a log message and general verbosity.")); |
| [00:45:29] | castlec1: | thanks lindoro. also, that build error you were trying to help me with before was because the QT variable was missing from my .pro |
| [00:45:33] | sphery: | anyway, if pianobar is filtering ads, then I will not use it without subscribing |
| [00:47:05] | castlec1: | not sure how i feel about it paying for it. it really depends on the amount of usage i guess |
| [00:47:09] | castlec1: | what's the fee? |
| [00:47:15] | sphery: | $36/yr |
| [00:47:28] | sphery: | at that fee, I don't see how someone can say paying is wrong |
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| [00:47:43] | castlec1: | i'd pay that, i suppose. it'd be nice if i could get that along with XM |
| [00:47:43] | sphery: | except for the freetards who say, "Music just wants to be free," as they steal it. |
| [00:47:46] | sphery: | :) |
| [00:48:09] | sphery: | ah, yeah, when you have multiple services, it gets annoying |
| [00:48:24] | castlec1: | i don't pay for sirius/xm. it's a total ripoff |
| [00:48:32] | castlec1: | also why i don't pay for cable |
| [00:48:45] | sphery: | oh, you mean if you could get both pandora and xm together as a bundle |
| [00:48:53] | castlec1: | i pay for my schedules direct sub |
| [00:48:55] | sphery: | yeah, I don't care about xm |
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| [00:49:24] | castlec1: | yeah, wouldn't that be cool? pandora to the car over the xm satellites? |
| [00:49:26] | sphery: | I dislike it for the same reason I'm no longer finding 'net radio worthwhile--it's someone else's idea of what to play |
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| [00:49:40] | sphery: | pandora to the car would sell me in an instant |
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| [00:50:00] | sphery: | then again, I spend little time in the car, so it's kind of funny |
| [00:50:12] | sphery: | I guess it's the "in places other than my home with my 'net connection" I like about it |
| [00:50:25] | castlec1: | yeah, i use it on my phone at work when coding |
| [00:51:07] | sphery: | yeah, it's actually a friend of mine with an android phone who caused me to look into pandora again |
| [00:51:30] | sphery: | since last time I looked, libpiano became available, so it's much more useful to me, now |
| [00:51:55] | castlec1: | i'm not sure when it came out. i've been using it since at least april |
| [00:52:16] | sphery: | yeah, I last looked at pandora years ago |
| [00:52:40] | castlec1: | i meant pianobar. heard about it from the linuxmce guys |
| [00:52:48] | sphery: | to the point that I had to create another account because they deleted my first |
| [00:52:59] | sphery: | (which annoyed me, because now my user id is <userid>2 |
| [00:53:04] | castlec1: | lol |
| [00:53:06] | sphery: | before it was just <userid> |
| [00:53:13] | castlec1: | they wouldn't let you reuse it? |
| [00:53:29] | sphery: | if I knew they were going to slap a number on it, I'd have use a /real/ number, not 2 |
| [00:53:32] | sphery: | like 12 |
| [00:53:33] | sphery: | 12 is a good number |
| [00:53:39] | sphery: | no... they wouldn't |
| [00:53:45] | Beirdo: | or 4352435 |
| [00:53:52] | sphery: | same e-mail, and everything... had to do a new account |
| [00:54:01] | sphery: | and they created a new userid from it, but slapped a 2 on the end |
| [00:54:13] | castlec1: | you know, i don't have a user id, mine is email only |
| [00:54:19] | sphery: | and I'll tell you what... I am /not/ #2 |
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| [00:54:39] | sphery: | you do... you can see it on the web site under account/profile stuff |
| [00:54:45] | sphery: | I still log in with email |
| [00:54:45] | castlec1: | huh |
| [00:55:22] | sphery: | anyway, that's the extent of my complaints, so far |
| [00:55:27] | sphery: | so I guess it could be far worse :) |
| [00:55:32] | castlec1: | far |
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| [00:58:31] | Hilikus: | hey guys |
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| [00:58:58] | rileyp: | livetv issues continued.... Live tv is now working though unless I pause playback for about 10 seconds it will pixelate and I get errors in the front end log |
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| [00:59:26] | Hilikus: | i ust changed my video card and now my video signal doesn't fit my tv, im missing like 60 pixels on each side. i'm using s-video. any idea how to fix this? |
| [00:59:47] | rileyp: | player (0) waited 100ms for vdieo buffers |
| [01:01:57] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: go into the frontend setup, use the setup wizard |
| [01:02:25] | rileyp: | you can adjust screen size with the wizard. |
| [01:02:52] | sphery: | wagnerrp: seems it works, now... MythTV-mythtv-b0.24-334-gc771e41.tar.gz |
| [01:03:07] | Hilikus: | isn't there a way to do it in the system? its not only in mythtv |
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| [01:03:50] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: generally, no |
| [01:04:05] | wagnerrp: | you can see if your TV supports a 'pixel accurate' mode, or something of that sort |
| [01:04:18] | wagnerrp: | but it likely wont for analog inputs |
| [01:06:33] | Hilikus: | what is the recommended resolution for an s-video signal and a CRT tv?? |
| [01:06:40] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, just caught up... Beirdo fixed it to give a sensible name for it |
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| [01:06:56] | sphery: | rileyp: I have questions for you about your symlink! |
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| [01:07:13] | rileyp: | ok |
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| [01:07:45] | sphery: | regarding your pastebin from last night ( http://pastebin.ca/2007485 ), does that file exist? |
| [01:07:45] | rileyp: | I have disabled the symlinking yesterday but go on |
| [01:08:07] | sphery: | rileyp: if you run: /home/dad/scripts/mythlink.pl --link /home/dad/Documents/video/recordings --chanid 1010 --starttime 20101201165600 --format '%T/%T%-%S' |
| [01:08:10] | sphery: | does it give an error? |
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| [01:09:07] | rileyp: | command not found |
| [01:09:28] | sphery: | where do youhave mythlink.pl? |
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| [01:09:45] | sphery: | (that's where it was when that log was created) |
| [01:10:51] | rileyp: | dad@mythserver:~/scripts$ ls -l total 20-rwxrwxrwx 1 mythtv mythtv 16794 2010-02–05 14:11 mythlink.pl |
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| [01:11:11] | rileyp: | oh a\hang on I have to ./ it |
| [01:11:22] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:11:33] | sphery: | I'm also assuming you haven't deleted that file |
| [01:13:02] | rileyp: | the file is there and i have the full backend log if you would like it |
| [01:13:15] | sphery: | do you get an error when you run that mythlink.pl command? |
| [01:13:23] | rileyp: | yes |
| [01:13:40] | sphery: | same error as line 37 of http://pastebin.ca/2007485 |
| [01:13:56] | rileyp: | yes No such file or directory |
| [01:14:11] | sphery: | so that's a different error than file exists |
| [01:14:32] | sphery: | so /home/dad/Documents/video/recordings doesn't exist? |
| [01:15:12] | rileyp: | yes it does |
| [01:15:24] | sphery: | how about: "/home/dad/Documents/video/recordings/Ten News at Five/" |
| [01:15:31] | rileyp: | that tv show would be on every day |
| [01:15:40] | rileyp: | I often delete it so ill look |
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| [01:17:10] | rileyp: | mythtv mythtv 4096 2010-11–18 16:56 Ten News at Five |
| [01:17:23] | rileyp: | is there |
| [01:17:35] | rileyp: | not that big name |
| [01:17:42] | sphery: | and ls -l '/home/dad/Documents/video/recordings/Ten News at Five/Ten News at Five- Comprehensive coverage of local stories that impact your lives. As well as the big national and international news information..mpg' |
| [01:18:17] | rileyp: | yes it is |
| [01:19:55] | rileyp: | but the link is broken |
| [01:20:46] | rileyp: | a lot of my symlinks are broken as the whole folder is a mess and I dont use it and havent bothered deleteing all the files |
| [01:21:28] | sphery: | ok, out of curiosity, if you just do: /home/dad/scripts/mythlink.pl --link /home/dad/Documents/video/recordings |
| [01:21:28] | russell5: | quick question? if i have a rule to record a show new episodes only then i delete one of those recording (just choosing delete form mythweb not delete and rerecord) will mythtv not rerecord that episode |
| [01:21:31] | sphery: | does it all work? |
| [01:23:00] | sphery: | russell5: correct, it will not re-record that episode unless you tell it it can |
| [01:23:19] | russell5: | ok thats what i thought but i was just making sure |
| [01:23:32] | russell5: | i want to encode a bunch of shows but dont need them to rerecord |
| [01:23:34] | sphery: | russell5: you can tell it to re-record episodes by going into Manage Recordings|Previously Recorded (in mythfrontend) and then deleting the episode from the list |
| [01:23:45] | rileyp: | sphery, http://pastebin.ca/2008224 results |
| [01:24:10] | sphery: | russell5: oh, and I am assuming you've specified that duplicate matching should be performed and should be performed using shows in previous and current recordings |
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| [01:24:27] | russell5: | i will double check that thanks |
| [01:25:30] | russell5: | yeah all recordings thanks a lot sphery |
| [01:25:35] | sphery: | rileyp: oh, ok... I think you just need to (assuming that directory contains /only/ symlinks created by mythlink.pl and no actual data): rm -r /home/dad/Documents/video/recordings/* |
| [01:26:06] | sphery: | rileyp: and it will likely require a sudo to delete--looks like you have some links owned by someone other than the user running the script |
| [01:26:17] | sphery: | russell5: great... enjoy |
| [01:26:35] | sphery: | dinner time |
| [01:27:35] | rileyp: | i was going to do that a while ago but never bothered its done now |
| [01:27:38] | rileyp: | thnaks |
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| [01:30:50] | rileyp: | http://pastebin.ca/2008232 nice list of symlinks without folders |
| [01:31:00] | rileyp: | which is better anyway |
| [01:31:40] | sphery: | cool, glad it's working |
| [01:31:48] | sphery: | just wanted to figure out what was causing that error :) |
| [01:31:54] | sphery: | thanks for helpin |
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| [01:39:17] | rileyp: | no thank you. |
| [01:40:02] | rileyp: | lI hav eto pause live tv for 10 seconds when it stsrts else i get pixelation and errors in my front end log |
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| [01:57:57] | sphery: | I don't know LiveTV, so I can't help with that. But I've heard similar stories from others. |
| [01:58:26] | sphery: | seems to be the case with certain hardware |
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| [02:12:22] | ** wagnerrp wonders why iamlindoro is searching for videos of people in the bathtub ** | |
| [02:12:36] | iamlindoro: | that first result, bathtub iv, is a great video |
| [02:12:44] | iamlindoro: | tilt-whift stop motion |
| [02:12:48] | iamlindoro: | er tilt-shift |
| [02:12:53] | iamlindoro: | well worth watching on vimeo |
| [02:13:07] | wagnerrp: | is 'bathtub' another term for 'tilt-shift photography'? |
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| [02:13:36] | iamlindoro: | no, it's the name of the series that bathtub iv is a part of, set near the ocean in australia |
| [02:13:37] | wagnerrp: | or just the name of a video using that technique |
| [02:15:37] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: hit a bit of a snag... see the second post in this thread... http://www.sleipnirstuff.com/forum/viewtopic. . . . amp;p=278276 |
| [02:16:13] | wagnerrp: | wget doesnt like pulling from github, because it is an uncertified https server |
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| [02:55:46] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: the changes seem to work, testing a compile now |
| [02:56:03] | wagnerrp: | the only problem is the https stuff |
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| [03:02:56] | iamlindoro: | This is frickin awesome |
| [03:02:56] | iamlindoro: | http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2010/11/23/ . . . n-wikipedia/ |
| [03:03:55] | iamlindoro: | I don't think the guy writing the blurb gets that it's a joke about the creepy "personal appeal from jimmy wales" banners... ie, it's pointing out how dumb they are, not assuming you want it on every page :) |
| [03:05:41] | iamlindoro: | Sadly, it appears that creepy pictures of jimmy are 3x as effective as text: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010/Banner_testing |
| [03:06:02] | iamlindoro: | at a 2.87% click through rate versus the nearest rival at .9% |
| [03:06:33] | iamlindoro: | And netted them 16x the cash |
| [03:06:39] | castlec1: | question, fat guy who doesn't want to get off the couch asks, is it necessary to restart the frontend if I have replaced a plugin |
| [03:06:43] | castlec1: | ? |
| [03:06:56] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [03:07:04] | [R]: | what does getting off the couch have to dwith antying |
| [03:07:06] | castlec1: | :( |
| [03:07:06] | [R]: | ssh into the box |
| [03:07:10] | iamlindoro: | at least, restart the frontend process |
| [03:07:12] | iamlindoro: | not the whole box |
| [03:07:33] | castlec1: | yeah, been doing that. wanted to know if the plugin was actually kept in memory or not |
| [03:07:50] | iamlindoro: | plugin is loaded into memory when mythfrontend starts |
| [03:08:05] | iamlindoro: | but everything loaded by mfe is freed when the frontend exits |
| [03:09:25] | castlec1: | memory free on exit would be expected. didn't know when the plugins were loaded or how long the were resident though. just saw the plugins load on start up, as you had said |
| [03:10:25] | castlec1: | i need to push my ssh keys already. i keep not copying the plugin because i'm not paying attention |
| [03:11:19] | castlec1: | how about a restart mythtv button? :) |
| [03:11:34] | [R]: | i put my frontend in an endless loop |
| [03:11:38] | [R]: | so when it quits |
| [03:11:39] | [R]: | it restarts |
| [03:12:00] | iamlindoro: | Or you can map a script to the power button on your remote to kill and restart the FE |
| [03:12:20] | iamlindoro: | which, IIRC, mythbuntu will nicely set up for you if you check some box in their control center |
| [03:13:05] | castlec1: | i'll have to do that when I get sick of getting up..... too distracted by my sorry attempt at development |
| [03:13:35] | iamlindoro: | writing pandora support is definitely an ambitious first project, but ambitious projects are often the most rewarding |
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| [03:14:49] | castlec1: | it'll happen. i have faith. it's gonna be an aweful hack when it is finally working though |
| [03:14:57] | castlec1: | it's an aweful hack now :) |
| [03:16:59] | wagnerrp: | well if its an awful hack now |
| [03:17:11] | wagnerrp: | when its finally working, it will be an awful functional hack |
| [03:17:28] | sphery: | the difference between a successful FOSS project and an unsuccessful one is having code |
| [03:17:52] | sphery: | so even if your first implementation is a hack, it's infinitely better than a perfect design with no code |
| [03:18:07] | wagnerrp: | s/having code/having a real test machine so half an hour later, youre not still stuck on ffmpeg/ |
| [03:18:14] | sphery: | once you've got the code, you attract interested people who can help improve it |
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| [03:20:06] | castlec1: | good advice. i'm with you. aweful hack first. glorious and fitting the architecture afterward |
| [03:20:30] | castlec1: | what dev tools do you guys use? i'm using vi on my build machine and eclipse locally to figure stuff out |
| [03:20:39] | castlec1: | vi to edit after figuring said stuff out |
| [03:20:44] | castlec1: | need to set up a network share |
| [03:20:48] | wagnerrp: | vi sucks, go gvim! |
| [03:20:49] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [03:21:11] | Shadow__X: | is .24-fixes building under windows using the win32-packager for other people |
| [03:21:16] | sphery: | s/gvim/vim/ |
| [03:21:30] | wagnerrp: | s/vim/gvim/ |
| [03:21:39] | sphery: | castlec1: I use vim with ctags |
| [03:21:50] | sphery: | http://ctags.sourceforge.net/ |
| [03:21:51] | castlec1: | not familiar with ctags |
| [03:21:53] | castlec1: | thanks |
| [03:22:04] | sphery: | basically allows you to jump to marks within the code |
| [03:22:08] | wagnerrp: | being able to select locations in text with the mouse cursor is an amazing innovation |
| [03:22:14] | ** wagnerrp welcomes sphery to the 80s ** | |
| [03:22:28] | sphery: | i.e. Ctrl-] to jump to a definition for some type or variable |
| [03:23:25] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, I hate mice |
| [03:23:57] | sphery: | and I seriously hate how the paste goes to wherever the mouse is when you paste |
| [03:24:00] | sphery: | which is stupid |
| [03:24:08] | sphery: | I specifically compile vim without X support to prevent that |
| [03:24:25] | sphery: | there's a cursor for a reason |
| [03:24:42] | wagnerrp: | no it doesnt |
| [03:24:47] | wagnerrp: | it goes to where the cursor is |
| [03:24:59] | wagnerrp: | you have to left click and then middle click to paste where the mouse is |
| [03:25:05] | wagnerrp: | (at least on my system) |
| [03:25:20] | sphery: | you don't use mouse focus? |
| [03:25:32] | sphery: | I do--so maybe that's the difference |
| [03:25:48] | wagnerrp: | as in, window focus follows mouse? |
| [03:25:57] | sphery: | yeah |
| [03:26:11] | wagnerrp: | probably not |
| [03:26:17] | nutron: | http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=46919& . . . promoid=1265 <-- will that play hd? :/ it says it can do HD, although I'm unfamiliar with the "winbloze" lingo. |
| [03:26:22] | sphery: | not meaning you don't use it? |
| [03:26:26] | sphery: | or not the difference? |
| [03:26:27] | wagnerrp: | im running a bare X server through cygwin |
| [03:26:34] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [03:26:35] | wagnerrp: | havent bothered to figure out how to set up stuff like that |
| [03:26:46] | sphery: | don't know how that would work... |
| [03:27:49] | sphery: | anyway, the mouse is annoying because it requires moving your hands off the home keys |
| [03:28:49] | sphery: | plus, I have my 13 terms positioned at just the right places on my desktop, and those same terms can be used for commands or vim |
| [03:28:56] | sphery: | without messy windows getting in my way :) |
| [03:29:07] | sphery: | nutron: server seems to be hanging |
| [03:29:21] | nutron: | sphery: yeah their sale just started :/ |
| [03:29:31] | nutron: | just refresh until you bring it to its knees |
| [03:29:44] | sphery: | ah, got it |
| [03:29:59] | sphery: | well, it's ION |
| [03:30:07] | nutron: | i don't understand the graphics chipset. |
| [03:30:15] | nutron: | hold on lemme go double check what it says |
| [03:30:36] | sphery: | I'll leave it to the Atom fans to describe pros/cons |
| [03:30:43] | nutron: | I knows atoms such |
| [03:30:45] | sphery: | as I'm a confirmed Atom-hater |
| [03:31:19] | nutron: | err suck. but I'm wondering if it's like the revo, which people seem to successfully use, but I'm wondering if it'll make use of VDPAU |
| [03:31:40] | sphery: | TTBOMK, ION with Atom is ION with Atom |
| [03:31:49] | sphery: | all the rest is just the case :) |
| [03:32:14] | nutron: | I'll decipher that as a "keep shopping" response? :) |
| [03:32:59] | sphery: | it was meant more to mean that it's basically the same as the ION-based Revos |
| [03:33:12] | sphery: | but confirm that with someone who actually knows Atom and ION stuff |
| [03:33:28] | nutron: | roger |
| [03:33:57] | sphery: | I, personally, wouldn't get it because I believe that the Atom just plain wrong |
| [03:34:36] | ** nutron searches the m/l to see why sphery thinks it's wrong ** | |
| [03:34:39] | sphery: | heh |
| [03:34:54] | nutron: | I have zero experience with the atom, just a budget :) |
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| [03:35:08] | sphery: | nutron: my manifesto: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/448321#448321 |
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| [03:36:03] | sphery: | nutron: basically, Intel made Atom low powered by artificially capping it's high end--i.e. they chopped off the top end. However, a real CPU (like a Core 2 Duo or whatever) idles at low power but has headroom when you need it. |
| [03:36:10] | Shadow__X: | is there a reason to have /c/ or c:/mythtv/ in the make_clean.txt thats pulled from the win32_packager.pl |
| [03:36:36] | sphery: | nutron: but remember, I'm very biased against all things Atom |
| [03:36:45] | sphery: | so take what I say with a grain of salt |
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| [03:38:27] | nutron: | Ok, not a prob. 229 seems like a heckuva good price for an all-in-one :/ hence why I'm so ****y about it. Simple economics, but then again, it's probably woefully underpowered as soon as NVIDIA effs me with a different driver version :) |
| [03:38:43] | sphery: | heh |
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| [03:39:04] | sphery: | yeah, it's easy to get a great frontend or combined frontend/backend for $229 |
| [03:39:13] | sphery: | it's hard to get anything that small and quiet for $229, though |
| [03:39:19] | nutron: | not in canuckian dollars :) |
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| [03:39:30] | sphery: | and Mac Mini won't come close to $229 |
| [03:39:48] | sphery: | well, $229 US is easy, at least |
| [03:40:03] | sphery: | but it will be big and ugly |
| [03:40:21] | sphery: | but, that's why I just stick my computers in different rooms |
| [03:40:38] | nutron: | hmm well i did find an ion based board with a 775 socket, but then I have to buy everything else, chip/mem/boot media/case and... power supply :( :( :( |
| [03:41:01] | sphery: | have a PVC pipe going through the wall making a cable conduit to get my video and audio to the viewing room :) |
| [03:41:21] | nutron: | sphery: *shudder* |
| [03:41:24] | sphery: | 775 socket meaning not Atom? |
| [03:41:50] | nutron: | I'm so anally retentive, I'd probably freak after a few hours of salivating at the thought of "hiding" it |
| [03:42:15] | sphery: | heh |
| [03:42:16] | nutron: | yeah, though now that i think of it, it might not be the ion platform (it has a 9300 on board) |
| [03:42:33] | sphery: | you can't even see the hole... pvc pipe makes sure I don't leak air conditioning into the walls |
| [03:43:26] | nutron: | ahh. I added networking runs to my place .. built in '72. and of course I'm not finished as it has to be "perfect" |
| [03:43:27] | sphery: | yeah, my understanding was that the ION was Atom + nvidia chipset/gpu, but some companies sell what they call ION systems with Celeron processors, so who knows... ION may just mean that GPU, anymore. |
| [03:43:49] | ** nutron goes to look at the board ** | |
| [03:45:46] | wagnerrp: | sphery: originally ION was a 9400m with an Atom |
| [03:45:56] | wagnerrp: | then they expanded it to include any low processor line |
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| [03:46:04] | sphery: | ah |
| [03:46:05] | wagnerrp: | including Via Nano, and CULV Celeron |
| [03:46:05] | nutron: | is 12.99 a good price for 10 bd-r's? |
| [03:46:13] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [03:46:15] | sphery: | so 9400m with any low-powered CPU, now? |
| [03:46:34] | wagnerrp: | $70 for 1 2TB hard drive is much better |
| [03:47:39] | nutron: | wagnerrp: as crazy as it sounds, I want to be able to archive some of my videos ... I guess the only drawback to a 2tb drive is the fact that I can't stuff it into my cd binder... =D |
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| [03:47:46] | iamlindoro: | heh, the BD-Rs are actually less per GB at that price point |
| [03:47:58] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: including the burner? |
| [03:48:10] | iamlindoro: | If you're buying the discs, presumably you already have the burner |
| [03:48:18] | sphery: | how many gb are bd-r? |
| [03:48:22] | iamlindoro: | 25 |
| [03:48:41] | iamlindoro: | oh, n/m... but close |
| [03:48:51] | iamlindoro: | 1.5 TB for $75... not that far off, anyway |
| [03:49:11] | wagnerrp: | within the last week, there have been 2TB drives for $70 |
| [03:49:12] | nutron: | close 'nuff |
| [03:49:19] | wagnerrp: | theyre regularly around $100 |
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| [03:49:23] | iamlindoro: | but the HDD is still by far the better idea |
| [03:49:28] | wagnerrp: | both of which are cheaper than the BD-Rs |
| [03:49:31] | iamlindoro: | since it's way the hell more durable |
| [03:49:32] | sphery: | yeah, $0.05196 for BD-R at $12.99 adn $0.035 for HDD at $70 |
| [03:49:55] | sphery: | but are these canadian $ |
| [03:49:59] | sphery: | for the BD-Rs |
| [03:50:03] | wagnerrp: | nutron: take it from someone who's got a binder of old backups |
| [03:50:11] | sphery: | if so, we're comparing apples and maple leaves |
| [03:50:17] | nutron: | OH B******S!! I just grabbed two hitachi 1tb's for 54.99 pricematched, now they put them on sale for 49.99 the next day... grr |
| [03:50:30] | nutron: | wagnerrp: hah, yeah I know |
| [03:50:30] | wagnerrp: | buy a couple hard drives, stick them in a box with some silica packets |
| [03:50:42] | sphery: | wagnerrp: a binder of old backups and a bunch of replaced HD-DVD media because it failed |
| [03:51:04] | nutron: | rrrrough hd-dvd's failed? |
| [03:51:18] | wagnerrp: | its too much of a hassle to keep swapping 5GB media, its still too much of a hassle to keep swapping 25GB media |
| [03:51:31] | wagnerrp: | just get a drive dock |
| [03:51:41] | wagnerrp: | nutron: yeah, bunch of WB movies |
| [03:51:52] | wagnerrp: | 'course they cost me like $3/each plus shipping |
| [03:51:54] | nutron: | a drive dock you say... what a fancy idea. |
| [03:52:25] | wagnerrp: | either one of those external vertical ones, or a trayless hotswap bay on the front of your computer |
| [03:52:37] | wagnerrp: | show the drive in, power it on, let it transfer for the better part of a day |
| [03:52:39] | nutron: | oh heh :/ from china? or what's that site... play... grr it's in taiwan and they sell all different region dvd's and bd's... |
| [03:52:45] | wagnerrp: | s/show/shove/ |
| [03:53:04] | castlec1: | how do i statically link? i'm having trouble getting libpiano showing up |
| [03:53:14] | sphery: | nutron: it was WB's replacement program--replacing HD-DVD with BD |
| [03:53:17] | nutron: | wagnerrp: I seriously didn't think of that.. now you have me thinking. |
| [03:53:24] | nutron: | sphery: hahaha! |
| [03:53:31] | nutron: | suck fony! |
| [03:53:32] | wagnerrp: | nutron: no, when bluray won, companies started selling off their old HDDVD stock for next to nothing |
| [03:53:42] | wagnerrp: | they literally charge you more for shipping than the media itself |
| [03:54:05] | sphery: | oh, so you got HD-DVD for HD-DVD? |
| [03:54:06] | wagnerrp: | except now with all these dead WB movies, its $5/disk plus $7/order to get them replaced with blurays |
| [03:54:14] | sphery: | I thought they were replacing them since HD-DVD died |
| [03:54:35] | wagnerrp: | no, i intentionally bought them |
| [03:54:43] | sphery: | ahh |
| [03:54:54] | wagnerrp: | hddvdboxsets.com |
| [03:54:59] | sphery: | cool |
| [03:55:15] | wagnerrp: | although youll probably be hard pressed to find a ROM to use them with these days |
| [03:55:39] | iamlindoro: | castlec1, You shouldn't need to statically link, and fixing whatever your linking issue is is probably much simpler than doing so anyway (not to mention license issues and distribution issues would probably prevent you doing so too) |
| [03:56:48] | iamlindoro: | almost certainly just an issue of fixing your .pro file, assuming you're also including the piano.h file properly |
| [03:57:39] | castlec1: | what would properly be? |
| [03:57:59] | castlec1: | it's there but I ended up copying the .h into my fileset |
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| [03:58:28] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: is hddvdboxsets.com working for you? i keep getting "feature multioperation is deprecated" |
| [03:58:31] | iamlindoro: | castlec1, #include <piano.h> |
| [03:58:37] | iamlindoro: | in brackets, not quotes |
| [03:58:43] | iamlindoro: | don't copy it into your code |
| [03:58:55] | castlec1: | the lib is in my .pro |
| [03:59:09] | iamlindoro: | is it in your .pro *properly*? |
| [03:59:29] | iamlindoro: | if it's failing at linking, your .pro is the problem |
| [03:59:33] | iamlindoro: | if it's failing at compile, your code is |
| [03:59:41] | wagnerrp: | looks broken to me |
| [04:00:21] | castlec1: | unix:LIBS += -L/usr/lib -lpiano |
| [04:00:23] | sphery: | too slow |
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| [04:00:32] | sphery: | iamlindoro: quit being so fast |
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| [04:01:18] | castlec1: | piano.h is in quotes. i'll change to brackets and rebuild |
| [04:01:25] | castlec1: | then it's off to bed |
| [04:02:06] | iamlindoro: | pretty tough to tell if that pro is right without knowing how your system is set up, and where libpiano.so is |
| [04:02:14] | iamlindoro: | but unix: is totally unnecessary |
| [04:02:22] | castlec1: | i put it in /usr/lib |
| [04:02:26] | iamlindoro: | at least, since you're probably not concerned right now with cross-platform compilation |
| [04:02:32] | iamlindoro: | you *manually* put it there? |
| [04:02:37] | castlec1: | that was what I found in the qt help |
| [04:02:39] | castlec1: | had to |
| [04:02:48] | iamlindoro: | Why aren't you letting libpiano install itself? |
| [04:03:00] | castlec1: | didn't seem to be doing anything |
| [04:03:06] | castlec1: | maybe I'm just an idiot |
| [04:03:18] | sphery: | make install-libpiano |
| [04:03:21] | sphery: | ? |
| [04:04:17] | sphery: | though, really, that just: install -m755 libpiano.so.0.0.0 ${DESTDIR}/${LIBDIR}/ |
| [04:04:32] | castlec1: | yeah, you're right |
| [04:04:33] | sphery: | which is probably what you did |
| [04:04:40] | iamlindoro: | or for extra simple, just install the pianobar package |
| [04:04:42] | nutron: | why does ncix insist on negative caching each and every page? It brings their webserver to its knees, just set the expiry when the sales' over... |
| [04:04:51] | sphery: | does the pianobar package install the lib? |
| [04:04:56] | iamlindoro: | presumably it must |
| [04:04:58] | castlec1: | i did. it didn't have the lib |
| [04:05:05] | castlec1: | tried to get out easy' |
| [04:05:10] | iamlindoro: | Can't see how it could run without its own lib |
| [04:05:12] | castlec1: | i'll run the install and go again |
| [04:05:21] | sphery: | the pianobar program is statically linked |
| [04:05:23] | castlec1: | could be i'm an idiot again |
| [04:05:27] | iamlindoro: | well that's dumb |
| [04:05:29] | castlec1: | and the package doesn't work either |
| [04:05:30] | sphery: | the lib is for development of other programs |
| [04:05:47] | iamlindoro: | super dumb |
| [04:05:50] | sphery: | well, shared libs are only useful if more than one app uses them |
| [04:06:05] | sphery: | so they probably figured that they'd just statically link so it's one file versus 2 |
| [04:06:15] | iamlindoro: | Which presumably the author is after, since he's producing a lib ;) |
| [04:06:23] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:06:38] | sphery: | yeah, either way works |
| [04:06:48] | sphery: | but when github gives you lemons... |
| [04:06:52] | iamlindoro: | as it does |
| [04:06:57] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:07:23] | iamlindoro: | anyhoo, just important to make sure you have your foundation... so getting the library to properly install itself is job one |
| [04:07:23] | sphery: | one day I'll learn to use git |
| [04:07:39] | iamlindoro: | then including it properly and providing the linker with the right info is job two |
| [04:07:49] | iamlindoro: | job three is using the API properly ;) |
| [04:07:58] | sphery: | and job 4 is quality |
| [04:08:16] | sphery: | yeah, I'm very glad that castlec1 is figuring out the api so I don't have to |
| [04:08:26] | iamlindoro: | Job 3 is often a ongoing process |
| [04:08:29] | iamlindoro: | Ref: Libmythbluray |
| [04:08:48] | castlec1: | we shall see how well it goes. i'm going to bed. see you guys tomorrow most likely |
| [04:08:59] | sphery: | though it's a small api, I didn't look forward to digging through the pianobar app and trying to separate out the unrelated stuff to figure out how to use the api |
| [04:09:03] | sphery: | later |
| [04:09:05] | castlec1: | thanks again for the help/advice |
| [04:09:20] | castlec1: | it's really not bad. he's got the player seperated from the api already |
| [04:09:48] | sphery: | cool |
| [04:09:56] | castlec1: | he grabs the data and shoves it into libao |
| [04:10:09] | castlec1: | i'm out |
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| [04:16:23] | nutron: | http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=46916 <-- sphery this is the board I was looking at, it doesn't say ion on it, but I'm sure I just got stuff jumbled up |
| [04:16:27] | nutron: | figured it was similar |
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| [04:18:16] | [R]: | thats not ion |
| [04:19:40] | sphery: | nutron: ah, yeah, and that's a large percentage of the cost of the atom system |
| [04:20:13] | nutron: | [R]: yeah I got that, though the ion says it can do purevideo, and I thought that was a "windows-ism" |
| [04:20:28] | nutron: | just trying to put together a diskless frontend that can do hd |
| [04:21:02] | [R]: | i belive the wikipedia page on vdpau lists/used to list all the chips that supported it |
| [04:21:12] | [R]: | basically everything >=8200 excluding 8800 |
| [04:24:07] | nutron: | [R]: ahh I see the wikipedia page for purevideo better describes compatibility. Nice. There's my answer |
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| [04:34:35] | sphery: | elmojo: Is your ~/.ssh directory using proper permissions--must be 700 (no group/world write) |
| [04:35:01] | sphery: | don't think it can have read, either, but I know it can't have write |
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| [04:44:27] | elmojo: | let me try |
| [04:45:02] | elmojo: | it didn't help |
| [04:45:05] | elmojo: | I give up |
| [04:45:20] | elmojo: | I'll just post patches on trac from now on |
| [04:45:38] | [R]: | so with this github thing |
| [04:45:58] | [R]: | are tickets and checkins still going to linked together? |
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| [04:47:33] | iamlindoro: | We have no idea |
| [04:47:39] | iamlindoro: | 10% of us have any idea what's going on |
| [04:47:43] | [R]: | ahha |
| [04:47:45] | iamlindoro: | and 0% of us have a complete idea |
| [04:47:57] | iamlindoro: | I'm part of the 90% |
| [04:48:08] | elmojo: | I just deleted my github account... I'll try again another day |
| [04:48:09] | iamlindoro: | I don't even remember my name at this point |
| [04:48:14] | elmojo: | I got better things to do |
| [04:48:25] | [R]: | iamlindoro: when you goto the myth github page, it shows all the developers |
| [04:48:46] | iamlindoro: | it shows those who have added an account, and then been added by one of the project admins, yes |
| [04:48:58] | [R]: | your name is there... |
| [04:49:06] | iamlindoro: | Yep, because I have an account |
| [04:49:23] | [R]: | you said you dindt remember your name |
| [04:49:35] | iamlindoro: | True. I'll bookmark that page under "My Name." |
| [04:50:17] | [R]: | https://github.com/daniel-kristjansson |
| [04:50:22] | [R]: | is daniel really a 10 year old kid? |
| [04:50:23] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:50:40] | wagnerrp: | yep, hes been programming since the crib |
| [04:50:55] | wagnerrp: | he would throw toys across the room to hit keys on the keyboard |
| [04:51:10] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [04:51:28] | boshhead: | that really upsets me |
| [04:51:47] | boshhead: | the most advanced programming i did at 10 was a little mIRC scripting. |
| [04:52:08] | [R]: | i was writing Basic |
| [04:52:08] | nutron: | mirc... ahh the good 'ol days |
| [04:52:10] | [R]: | at 8 |
| [04:53:35] | nutron: | basic... the trs-80 was incredible, especially if you had the cassette "storage system" |
| [04:53:59] | nutron: | wow was that ever cool! I didn't have to re-type a 500 line game every time I got my 6 hours of tv a week |
| [04:54:12] | [R]: | 6 hours of tv? |
| [04:54:13] | [R]: | wtf? |
| [04:54:21] | [R]: | i watch like 6 hours a day |
| [04:54:41] | nutron: | aye, it motivated me to get a paper route and tell my parents to stuff it as I brought home my own tv to watch |
| [04:54:44] | nutron: | heh |
| [04:54:54] | nutron: | Yeah, I don't, I barely watch tv at all :/ heh |
| [04:55:03] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:55:12] | [R]: | having a paper route seems like too much effort |
| [04:55:26] | nutron: | it made me all svelte... the chicks dug it |
| [04:55:36] | [R]: | svelte? |
| [04:56:22] | nutron: | http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=svelte |
| [04:56:56] | nutron: | I was slender and elegant |
| [04:57:21] | [R]: | lol |
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| [05:24:28] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: ping |
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| [05:42:10] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: anyway... http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/mythtv.ebuilds.patch |
| [05:43:16] | wagnerrp: | the only problem currently is that you must specify the 'FETCHCOMMAND" in your make.conf such that it uses '--no-check-certificate' |
| [05:43:31] | wagnerrp: | or else it will barf downloading from github |
| [05:44:36] | wagnerrp: | the name of the file is now irrelevent, it pulls from a revision hash stored in the ebuild |
| [05:44:50] | Shadow__X: | hey wagnerrp if i am having issues with the win32 package script do i ask for help here or in -dev |
| [05:45:07] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [05:45:23] | wagnerrp: | you ask me for help if youre trying to migrate the win32 package script to use github |
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| [05:46:41] | Shadow__X: | i was having issues with the win32 package script just building myth but should i migrate it to use github? |
| [05:47:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the tarball download can be done with an http link, instead of https |
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| [05:47:45] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no, it cant |
| [05:47:57] | sphery: | http://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tarball/v0.24 works fine for me |
| [05:48:09] | wagnerrp: | but it will redirect you to an https address |
| [05:48:26] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [05:48:44] | sphery: | heh, godaddy certificate |
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| [05:56:14] | wagnerrp: | daddy likes his certificates |
| [05:59:22] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so if you download https://certs.godaddy.com/repository/gd_bundle.crt and specify --ca-certificate=gd_bundle.crt to wget, it will work... but that's really no better than making someone specify --no-check-certificate... |
| [06:00:05] | sphery: | well, it works if you use https://nodeload.github.com/MythTV/... |
| [06:00:23] | bobgill: | Can't get audio to work: http://pastebin.ca/2008368 |
| [06:00:25] | sphery: | (if you use just github.com, you get certificate common name "*.github.com" doesn't match requested host name "github.com" |
| [06:07:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://bugs.gentoo.org/344939 |
| [06:07:18] | sphery: | see comment 9/10 |
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| [06:08:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: maybe just make wget 1.12-r3+ a requirement? |
| [06:09:05] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [06:09:28] | sphery: | assuming ebuild downloads with wget |
| [06:09:55] | sphery: | don't know if that patch was submitted upstream, to wget guys, though |
| [06:12:13] | sphery: | I'm also thinking that maybe github didn't properly install their server certificates, based on http://podjacker.wordpress.com/2010/03/03/god . . . fy-identity/ |
| [06:13:04] | sphery: | but major browsers have all the intermediate certs installed, so they don't have problems |
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| [06:13:19] | sphery: | wget doesn't have them, so it does have problems |
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| [06:22:13] | [R]: | tahts pretty cool |
| [06:22:19] | [R]: | DEA agents are tearing up a grow house |
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| [06:27:14] | [R]: | how do i get a screenshot of my frontend? |
| [06:27:37] | wagnerrp: | theres a key binding to do that |
| [06:27:41] | wagnerrp: | or you can pull it over mythxml |
| [06:27:57] | [R]: | well i see mythweb can do it |
| [06:28:04] | [R]: | and it works when i'm on the menu |
| [06:28:08] | [R]: | but not when i'm watching something |
| [06:28:27] | wagnerrp: | works fine for me when im watching something |
| [06:28:31] | wagnerrp: | sounds like youre using VDPAU |
| [06:28:34] | [R]: | i am |
| [06:28:35] | [R]: | :( |
| [06:29:03] | [R]: | do i need to switch to ffmpeg to do this? |
| [06:29:04] | sphery: | hmmm... github says their certs are ok and blame the wget bug (when, in fact, the wget bug isn't an issue if they install their certs properly)... at least the wget issue was reported upstream ( https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php?20421 )--just hasn't gone into any released version |
| [06:29:20] | sphery: | Beirdo: You need to get github to install their certificates properly ... ^^^ |
| [06:29:35] | Beirdo: | you do it :) |
| [06:29:40] | sphery: | (in my mind Beirdo wields power over github) |
| [06:29:46] | sphery: | but you're the git wizards |
| [06:29:52] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:29:57] | sphery: | for real |
| [06:29:59] | iamlindoro: | amusingly, to get to the gnu bug page, you have to add an exception for the cert |
| [06:30:22] | sphery: | their stuff is installed kind of ok--such that it works with a browser that has the complete go daddy certificate chain installed |
| [06:30:34] | sphery: | but if you have a client that's lacking the full chain, it complains |
| [06:31:12] | sphery: | and, while changing wget will allow wget to succeed, installing their certificates correctly would totally bypass any issues in any client |
| [06:32:36] | sphery: | for example, do: wget --no-check-certificate https://certs.godaddy.com/repository/gd_bundle.crt] |
| [06:32:43] | sphery: | er, wget --no-check-certificate https://certs.godaddy.com/repository/gd_bundle.crt |
| [06:33:21] | sphery: | then: openssl s_client -connect github.com:443 |
| [06:34:01] | sphery: | and you'll get a failure (error 19), but if you tell it to use the cert bundle from godaddy, it works: openssl s_client -CAfile gd_bundle.crt -connect github.com:443 |
| [06:34:25] | ** sphery tries to decide whether to open an issue with them or not ** | |
| [06:34:34] | Beirdo: | why are you using https: with wget and github? |
| [06:34:45] | Beirdo: | what am I missing here? |
| [06:34:46] | sphery: | because if you use http, it redirects to https |
| [06:34:54] | Beirdo: | tarballs? |
| [06:35:02] | sphery: | but wget with github to get tarballs for gentoo ebuilds |
| [06:35:08] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [06:35:39] | sphery: | unfortunately, this is one of those things where people who don't understand what's happening are pointing their fingers the other way, so it doesn't get fixed right |
| [06:36:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://support.github.com/discussions/repos/4 . . . ect-to-https ... heh |
| [06:36:57] | Shadow__X: | I have tried to use the win32-packager to pull down .24-fixes. svn location is coming up correctly as release-0-24-fixes but svn revision is coming up as 25919 am i doing something wrong? |
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| [06:37:42] | ouch: | hi all...I need some help |
| [06:38:45] | Shadow__X: | ouch: you have to tell us whats going on |
| [06:39:00] | ouch: | sure |
| [06:39:06] | wagnerrp: | 'were pushing everything to ssl for improved security by setting things up improperly' |
| [06:39:24] | ouch: | I have two hauppauge cards and a hdhomerun |
| [06:39:51] | ouch: | I am using the zap2xml.pl script to grab listings |
| [06:40:07] | wagnerrp: | no, you should be using schedulesdirect |
| [06:40:09] | ouch: | but the hauppausge cards can't get the all the channels the hdhomerun can |
| [06:40:26] | wagnerrp: | what hauppauge cards? |
| [06:40:32] | ouch: | 150 and 350 |
| [06:40:42] | wagnerrp: | those are both analog only |
| [06:40:46] | wagnerrp: | the hshomerun is digital only |
| [06:40:49] | ouch: | should I setup 2 video sources |
| [06:40:56] | [R]: | is zap2xml.pl some TOS breaking scraper? |
| [06:40:59] | wagnerrp: | meaning those two cards get /none/ of the same channels the HDHR does |
| [06:41:08] | ouch: | TOS? |
| [06:41:14] | wagnerrp: | yes, it is scraping the zap2it website |
| [06:41:28] | wagnerrp: | terms of service, the document that says you are not allowed to use scrapers on that website |
| [06:41:45] | ouch: | I'm not sure if it is |
| [06:42:03] | ouch: | not scraping in the sense of html scraping |
| [06:42:16] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:42:19] | ouch: | ok.... |
| [06:42:25] | wagnerrp: | if zap2it had intended to freely give out guide data, they wouldnt have closed labs.zap2it.com and forced us to start up schedulesdirect to license the content |
| [06:42:31] | ouch: | so they won't get any of the same channels |
| [06:42:34] | [R]: | downloads the tv listings grid data and converts the .html to XMLTV formatted .xml or XTVD formatted .xml |
| [06:42:40] | [R]: | sure sounds like a scrapper to me.. |
| [06:43:04] | ouch: | yeah..I don't know that much about it |
| [06:43:24] | ouch: | maybe confusing it with my previous solution which I think accessed some database behind the scenes |
| [06:43:51] | wagnerrp: | sign up for a schedules direct account, make two separate lineups for the analog and digital sources for comcast |
| [06:43:57] | ouch: | ok |
| [06:44:12] | wagnerrp: | make two separate sources in mythtv-setup, and match the two SD lineups to them |
| [06:44:20] | wagnerrp: | for the analog source, download the channel list from the lineup |
| [06:44:35] | wagnerrp: | for the digital one, you will have to map your scanned channels to the xmltvids on the SD website |
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| [07:01:12] | ouch: | to get the digital subchannels one of those lineups should be for comcast digital even though I don't technically have that comcast service? |
| [07:01:43] | [R]: | you need to use a broadcast lineup if you are using using an antenna |
| [07:01:51] | ouch: | not using antenna |
| [07:01:58] | ouch: | have just basic comcast cable |
| [07:02:09] | [R]: | if you are pulling the digital channels off comcast |
| [07:02:12] | [R]: | than its the comcast digital lineup |
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| [07:02:55] | ouch: | right...so I select that lineup but then exclude the channels that aren't digital in their basic cable? |
| [07:03:06] | [R]: | just deselect everyitng |
| [07:03:09] | [R]: | and select the channels you have |
| [07:04:14] | wagnerrp: | no, it doesnt matter |
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| [07:04:23] | wagnerrp: | you will only be using those channels you can scan |
| [07:04:51] | [R]: | was there a snowstorm in georgia or something? |
| [07:04:59] | [R]: | my package has been sitting there since tue morning |
| [07:05:06] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [07:05:19] | ouch: | where do you do that mapping you mentioned wagner? |
| [07:05:21] | Gibby: | no, had some bad weather, tornado's |
| [07:05:27] | [R]: | my remote control |
| [07:05:29] | [R]: | stupid ups |
| [07:05:39] | wagnerrp: | ouch: in the channel editor after you have scanned |
| [07:05:46] | Gibby: | [R], which remote did you get? |
| [07:05:52] | [R]: | logitech harmony one |
| [07:05:57] | wagnerrp: | mouse over the channels on the SD page to see what their xmltvids are |
| [07:06:20] | wagnerrp: | there are channel editors in mythtv-setup, mythweb, and in livetv in the frontend |
| [07:06:30] | ouch: | ok |
| [07:06:31] | ouch: | thanks |
| [07:07:20] | Gibby: | that 1 looks nice, i have tried about 4 have found the "1" yet |
| [07:10:04] | [R]: | wagnerrp: do you run the harmony program in native windows or VM? |
| [07:10:59] | wagnerrp: | native windows |
| [07:11:18] | wagnerrp: | never used concordance |
| [07:15:43] | [R]: | "can father mulcahy do jewish? only if he can read latin from right to left" |
| [07:15:44] | [R]: | haha |
| [07:15:48] | [R]: | i love the corny jokes in M*A*S*H |
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| [08:02:55] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, hrm. that is an issue :( |
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| [08:10:05] | sphery: | kormoc: wget 1.12-r3 has a patch that fixes it, so couldn't you just make mythtv's ebuild (which already depends on wget for the datadirect stuff) depend on wget 1.12-r3? See http://bugs.gentoo.org/344939 |
| [08:12:52] | kormoc: | Yeah, that'd work |
| [08:14:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp / iamlindoro : Fox just Firefly'ed/Dollhouse'ed Fringe: http://www.tv.com/what-the-fox-our-reaction-t . . . /207995.html |
| [08:14:47] | sphery: | just = 1 week ago, but I'm slow to catch up |
| [08:18:21] | wagnerrp: | sphery: of course they cant move it to wednesday and move american idol |
| [08:18:50] | wagnerrp: | million dollar money drop? wtf... |
| [08:18:56] | wagnerrp: | stop it with these retarded game shows |
| [08:19:03] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [08:19:55] | sphery: | well, it will be interesting to see what wonderful show they'll start up next year in place of Fringe--then kill off by scheduling it on Friday night |
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| [08:30:58] | wagnerrp: | the walking dead has... fired its entire writing staff? |
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| [08:41:37] | wagnerrp: | sphery: in positive news, Archer comes back on the air at the end of january |
| [08:41:40] | wagnerrp: | ... oh, wait |
| [08:41:47] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [08:43:06] | sphery: | archer? must be on one of those fancy cable channels |
| [08:43:14] | wagnerrp: | FX |
| [08:43:37] | sphery: | heh--well that's positive for you, then :) |
| [08:43:44] | sphery: | I hear V should be back in Jan |
| [08:43:48] | sphery: | that would be nice for me |
| [08:44:09] | wagnerrp: | theyve got three episodes on Hulu |
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| [08:45:15] | sphery: | of V? |
| [08:45:26] | wagnerrp: | archer |
| [08:45:29] | sphery: | oh |
| [08:45:33] | sphery: | might have to check that out |
| [08:48:59] | wagnerrp: | cookie monster wants to host SNL |
| [08:51:14] | sphery: | yeah, saw a headline on that |
| [08:51:46] | sphery: | I'm not so sure I like the idea--since SNL comedy isn't exactly well suited to the cookie monster age group |
| [08:54:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but its great for all those people aged 20–60 who grew up watching him |
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| [08:56:06] | wagnerrp: | hehe... that site is claiming The Event is so bad, its reached the level of having a cult following as a result |
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| [12:46:28] | rileyp: | id like to instal ubuntu to a usb stick an run my front end from it on my asrock ion to do away with the hard drive... |
| [12:46:41] | rileyp: | thoughts? |
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| [12:51:08] | clever: | rileyp: my current frontend is a laptop with a similar setup, using gentoo |
| [12:51:42] | rileyp: | just used pen drive linux and that instaled the live cd to my usb |
| [12:52:10] | rileyp: | I dont want the live cd i want a full fledged install |
| [12:52:46] | clever: | assuming you can convince the installer on the ubuntu cd, installing to a usb drive should be simple |
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| [12:53:50] | rileyp: | usb didnt appear in the list |
| [12:54:01] | rileyp: | ill try again |
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| [13:02:01] | rileyp: | my usb stick does not come up in the list of devices to install to |
| [13:04:19] | clever: | the installer is trying to be smart then |
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| [14:06:05] | dmz: | morning y'all...just wondering is anyone working on or is there a way to have my recordings filter to just "my" programs? I'm tired of scrolling through my kids programs to find the handful I watch |
| [14:08:53] | castlec1: | any devs here? i have a question on the .pro files |
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| [14:12:02] | rileyp: | dmz there are catergoris you can have all your recordings listed under |
| [14:12:58] | rileyp: | so rather than using the all listing catergory disbale it and use the kids catergory and jsu about every other catergory will be your less anomaition |
| [14:13:28] | stuartm: | OT: does anyone else with a .co.uk domain know about a supposed 'universal' policy to raise domain renewal prices by £1.50 every year? I'm getting some crap from easyspace about it having always been the case and that all companies do it ... I've had domains registered for 15 years, and several years with easyspace and the price has never risen in this way, but they insist that all companies are doing the same |
| [14:15:23] | dmz: | rileyp i've tried the categories; there are like 30 or so but none have all of "mine"; would i have to create a new category and where in the recording details do I specify which category it is in; do i have to recategorize all of my recordings? |
| [14:15:42] | dmz: | i've got about 1500 recordings currently |
| [14:16:59] | dmz: | i wish there was a way to select multiple categories for a frontend view |
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| [14:20:03] | jduggan: | stuartm: at last employer i was a nominet tag holder. all domains are £5+VAT to buy as a tag holder so what you mark ups is up to the company. AFAIK it hasnt changed – but note that VAT increases in january so maybe it's relative |
| [14:20:21] | jduggan: | stuartm: but we certainly didnt follow such yearly increase |
| [14:21:02] | jduggan: | they were not huge – but had about 20k domains on its books |
| [14:22:41] | dmz: | 20k domains? egad! |
| [14:25:05] | jduggan: | yea they're a webhosting/colocation/rackspace/dedicated|virtual server company |
| [14:25:21] | jduggan: | and they'll polish shoes if they think they'll make a few quid from it |
| [14:35:55] | justinh: | stuartm: never heard of such a thing. I paid £2 for a .co.uk for 2 years last time & they haven't mentioned anything about an increase yet |
| [14:37:35] | justinh: | now I buy my hosting from a friend who resells heart internet stuff. I'm their only customer :P |
| [14:37:47] | dmz: | heart internet? |
| [14:37:59] | dmz: | if y'all ever need us based stuff let me know |
| [14:38:19] | ** dmz is an webhosting/colocation/dedicated|virtual server company (note, we're not rackspace;) ** | |
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| [14:38:40] | justinh: | I wanted cheap & reliable. so far I've got both |
| [14:39:13] | dmz: | no where near 20k customers though; we're more about business hosting; not the cheapest; but cheaper than many; reliability/support is our focus (well security/compliance too:) |
| [14:39:15] | justinh: | went with a company in germany first of all who were mega cheap. but the site kept going offline for days on end within about a week of putting it up there, so I swapped |
| [14:42:15] | justinh: | never gonna buy hosting that cheap again :) |
| [14:43:28] | dmz: | yeah cheap $=cheap system |
| [14:43:28] | jduggan: | 1&1 ? |
| [14:43:41] | dmz: | 1&1 is decent if you just need a cheap / decent box |
| [14:43:48] | jduggan: | and no support |
| [14:43:53] | jduggan: | ;] |
| [14:43:55] | dmz: | if you have any kind of business (ie making $$ off of the box) i'd recommend something else |
| [14:45:10] | pheld: | Is it possible to get mythnetvision to enable hardware accelleration in flash player (using trunk and FP 10.2beta)? |
| [14:45:36] | justinh: | flash can't do linux hw acceleration at all AFAIK |
| [14:46:04] | pheld: | 10.2beta uses vdpau. works in chromium and ff |
| [14:46:27] | justinh: | shouldn't matter what browser it runs in, I'd have thought |
| [14:46:43] | justinh: | if it works, it works. end of.. probably |
| [14:47:50] | pheld: | thought so too |
| [14:48:28] | pheld: | maybe myth is picking up a wrong version of the player although I thought I had removed all olser versions. gotta check |
| [14:49:01] | stuartm: | jduggan: thanks, that's all I really needed to know, I'll let this particular domain renew at the higher price since I don't have the time/energy to start transferring it but I'm going to move my other domains |
| [14:50:10] | stuartm: | I was paying £9.50 (ex VAT), so if as you say the wholesale price is £5 there isn't a justification for the increase, especially since I'm only using them as a registrar not hosting etc |
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| [14:52:56] | jduggan: | stuartm: yea there are some registrars, like in justinh's case that'll sell domains at a loss – sort of as a loss leader for the webhosting aspect etc. sometimes you can just register for really cheap and move the nameservers to someone with clue that can do it for free and get a bargain |
| [14:53:08] | jya: | stuartm: I use EuroDNS... quite cheap, price hasn't increased for any of my european domains in a while |
| [14:53:34] | justinh: | ah yes. one.com was who I used. I won't be doing so again |
| [14:54:02] | justinh: | not for hosting at least |
| [14:54:54] | jya: | hum.. 15 euros, that's more than 9.5pounds |
| [14:55:35] | stuartm: | the amounts we're talking about here are tiny, but it's the principal, I'm not going to be the sucker who stays with a company who increase their prices at a fixed rate year on year for existing customers whilst continuing to offer the same low price to new customers |
| [14:56:07] | stuartm: | jya: like I say, it doesn't include the sales tax, but maybe that wouldn't apply to you anyway |
| [14:56:47] | jya: | stuartm: for services, as they are render in europe, you pay VAT. so 15 euros is inclusive |
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| [15:03:05] | pheld: | justinh: chromium and myth both use flash 10.2.151.49. both have hw-accel enabled in flash-prefs, but only chromium plays flash videos with decent performance. |
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| [15:03:44] | justinh: | wth can it possibly have to do with the browser? |
| [15:04:17] | justinh: | the browser, I'd think – only provides a window for the flash plugin |
| [15:05:07] | pheld: | downloading chromium source now to check for possible differences in how the plugin is initialised. |
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| [15:15:47] | pheld: | myth uses webkit so that's the code where plugins are initialised. But midori uses the same webkit lib and it gets accellerated flash video |
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| [15:37:49] | iamlindoro: | Myth uses *Qt* Webkit, which is not the same a the webkit used by midori |
| [15:38:14] | iamlindoro: | Myth has absolutely *zero* control over plugins, aside from one line of code which enables them |
| [15:38:40] | iamlindoro: | Myth's browser is nothing but a very very minimal wrapper around Qt's webkit |
| [15:38:58] | iamlindoro: | *Any* issues with plugins should be reported to, and troubleshot with, Qt, not us. |
| [15:40:18] | iamlindoro: | (That may appear curt, but I'm just trying to make sure there is no misunderstanding) |
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| [16:01:55] | ** justinh chuckles at the whole World Cup of Soccer thing again ** | |
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| [16:04:20] | jduggan: | justinh: yea heh |
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| [16:06:21] | pheld: | iamlindoro: thanks. I first thought Qt was using the same webkit. Got to go check konqeror then. |
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| [16:07:18] | pheld: | iamlindoro: I'm airing an issue. that's not complaining. no need for that tone |
| [16:07:56] | pheld: | and sure, I'm taking it to Qt now that I know |
| [16:08:09] | pheld: | sorry to bother you |
| [16:10:28] | iamlindoro: | I didn't give you a ton, thus my clarification at the end |
| [16:10:32] | iamlindoro: | tone |
| [16:10:51] | iamlindoro: | Nobody accused you of complaining, nor were you treated rudely |
| [16:12:16] | pheld: | actually, it was that last parenthesis that set me off. without it I wouldn't have reacted at all ;) |
| [16:12:53] | justinh: | anyway. Death to flash! |
| [16:13:00] | iamlindoro: | pheld: No offense intended, but I assume english is a second language for you? |
| [16:13:00] | justinh: | and all who sail in her |
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| [16:13:17] | iamlindoro: | pheld: The parenthesis exists to clarify that the above is *not* intended to offend |
| [16:14:18] | pheld: | justinh: couldn't agree more! |
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| [16:19:51] | jarle: | How does the active EIT scanner decide in what order to scan the channels? |
| [16:20:14] | pheld: | btw, in case someone is interested: qt-guys say that it has to do with how we/webkit does upscaling. Notice how flash plays in near full screen in myth, while the plugin in a browser still is unable to use a full 1080p display |
| [16:20:42] | justinh: | it's still within a browser in myth |
| [16:20:46] | pheld: | s/we/qt/ |
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| [16:22:13] | iamlindoro: | jarle: see EITScanner::StartActiveScan in eitscanner.cpp-- just queries the DB for a list of all channels allowing active scan and runs through them |
| [16:22:14] | pheld: | but the browser in myth wraps content in qt/webkit which differs from the standalonw webkit or gecko used elsewhere |
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| [16:25:40] | jarle: | iamlindoro: It seems like I may have too many channels to scan, not allowing the scanner to go through them all (from the log it seems like the scanner will stay 10 mins on each multiplex before going to the next) |
| [16:25:47] | pheld: | it'll befixed in qt shortly. well in advance of the release of flashplayer 12.2. |
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| [16:30:29] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Well great, *now* where am I supposed to find my boy's underwear? |
| [16:30:58] | pheld: | jarle: depending on your source you may not even want the scanner to bother with all multiplexes. Many operators only transmit current and next program on all multiplexes while long-term program-info are concentrated in one stream. |
| [16:32:44] | pheld: | with only current+next program availabe one has to scan all multiplexes at least once every 30 min for it to make much sense |
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| [16:35:31] | jarle: | pheld: yeah, I'm thinking this is my problem, how do I figure out which mplx to scan for long term, maybe I could use epgsnoop? |
| [16:37:56] | pheld: | I've been using the log from the backend to locate the multiplex. It's not hard to see when you hit the jackpot while browsing channels in live-tv |
| [16:42:38] | jarle: | pheld: "EITHelper: Added <a large number> events" is a good sign of a channel with more than just now/next data? |
| [16:43:42] | pheld: | yes. you've got a hit when it repeats "20 added" for some time |
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| [16:47:10] | jarle: | pheld: I'm rescanning channels now, to make sure that I only have up-to-date channels, and then I'll go through them methodically in regards to provided EIT data, hopefully that will help me get rid of empty slots in my weekly epg data |
| [16:47:54] | pheld: | jarle: what's your source? |
| [16:48:07] | jarle: | pheld: dvb-s and dvb-s2 |
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| [16:48:20] | dan__t: | Hello. |
| [16:48:35] | pheld: | pheld: 0.9w ? |
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| [16:48:52] | pheld: | jarle: 0.9w ? |
| [16:49:14] | jarle: | pheld: and 28.8E |
| [16:49:38] | dan__t: | I found an article in the Wiki saying pretty much that I'm SOL even with a cablecard. The link is, however, like 3 years old. I haven't found any definitive answers regarding this subject, but, are there any supported CableCARD reader devices or something that I can use with a CableCARD that my cableco gives me? |
| [16:50:06] | pheld: | then you'll probably get another problem with timeouts while updating. |
| [16:50:16] | jarle: | pheld: but my main problem is with 0.8W, yes |
| [16:50:58] | jarle: | pheld: ok, this is a known problem? |
| [16:50:59] | pheld: | with a full scan you'll have a lot of channels you're not interested in and the EIT-scanner collects data for all |
| [16:51:24] | pheld: | which may cause timeouts while zapping in live tv |
| [16:51:49] | pheld: | unless you either delete all channels you don't need, |
| [16:52:14] | jarle: | pheld: I usually set channels I can't see/decrypt to visible=0 and useonairguide=0 |
| [16:52:33] | pheld: | or set them visible=0 and change the eithelper classes to ignore invisible channels |
| [16:53:08] | pheld: | useonairguide=0 means "do not collect EIT-data from this channel" |
| [16:54:33] | jarle: | pheld: ...which is what I want, no? |
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| [16:55:17] | pheld: | no, the backend will stil pick up EIT for channels you're not interested in |
| [16:56:41] | jarle: | pheld: so how do you solve this? |
| [16:56:43] | pheld: | it's only when EIT-data can't be matches to channels that they don't get stored |
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| [16:57:43] | pheld: | jarle: the options I've found is to either delete the channels I'm not interested in after a scan, or... |
| [16:57:43] | jarle: | pheld: so the eitscanner will still try to get eit data from a chgannel's mplex even if the channel is set to useonairguide=0 |
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| [16:58:36] | jarle: | if you delete unwanted channels, how do you prevent having the same thing over again when you scan the next time? |
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| [16:58:46] | pheld: | modify the EIThelper classes and add "where visible='1'" to the channel queries |
| [16:59:12] | pheld: | exactly. that's why I ended up modifying the cource |
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| [17:00:42] | jarle: | pheld: any reason this patch should not be added to the default myth source? |
| [17:01:16] | iamlindoro: | because there are lots of locales where there are EIT-only channels |
| [17:01:21] | iamlindoro: | ie, where there's no TV there |
| [17:01:26] | iamlindoro: | if you add that, those locales will get nothing |
| [17:01:53] | pheld: | jarle: not sure yet. I've discussed it in #mythtv, but I'm not entirely sure how it'll work |
| [17:02:23] | justinh: | thought useonairguide was the absolute |
| [17:02:35] | justinh: | i.e. if useonairguide=0 DO NOT grab EIT data |
| [17:02:41] | pheld: | iamlindoro: the scanner will still scan EIT-only channels, it just won't store data for channels the user isn't interested in |
| [17:03:08] | jarle: | justinh: that is how I have been treating this setting also... |
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| [17:03:43] | iamlindoro: | pheld: Most users will want to set EIT only channels to invisible |
| [17:04:26] | pheld: | justinh: doesn't useonairguide tell which channels/streams to pick up EIT-info from? |
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| [17:04:51] | pheld: | iamlindoro: yes, and they still will be scanned |
| [17:04:52] | jarle: | guess we have to figure out what useonairguide really does :) |
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| [17:05:59] | jarle: | I'll have do decide if I should go for deleting channels or setting useonairguide and visible by the time my channel scanner finishes... :) |
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| [17:24:59] | pheld: | jarle: try this first: set visible=0 and useonairguide=0 for all channels you're not, then make sure that at lest one channel on a multiplex that -carry long-term-EIT has useonairguide=1. Then check for possible timeouts in live-tv by watching a channel carrying a lot of EIT-data until the EIT-cache is filled (watch the log), then zap to a channel on a different multiplex. This is where you may experience timeouts in the frontend while the bac |
| [17:25:40] | pheld: | s/not/not interested in/ |
| [17:28:48] | jarle: | pheld: maybe you can just tell me which channels you have enabled eit for, as we both use the same (Canal Digital) channels? |
| [17:30:18] | pheld: | check the multiplex carrying motors tv. that should cover 10-day EIT-data for canal-digital-nordic |
| [17:30:36] | jarle: | pheld: thnx |
| [17:32:04] | jarle: | pheld: looks like a got a lot of data from "Voice (DK)" just now also.. |
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| [17:36:49] | pheld: | pheld: i don't think the data are only sent on one mux, just not all muxes. I've ditched all channels on 11357.00 H where "voice dk" is and I'm not missing any data |
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| [17:40:58] | pheld: | this is actually a bit confusing. I thought program-info was sent on the designated SIDs (1021 and 1022) but there's not much EIT at all on that multiplex (10934.00 V). See http://no.kingofsat.net/pos-0.8W.php |
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| [18:08:37] | stuartm: | Heads up – http://www.mythtv.org/ – you cannot say you weren't warned |
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| [18:14:08] | iamlindoro: | Well reading it won't stop them saying that ;) |
| [18:14:13] | dmz: | egad: XvMC and libmpeg2 to be dropped in 0.25 |
| [18:14:55] | dmz: | so much for my embedded via board frontends |
| [18:15:17] | iamlindoro: | Or, as in the announcement, simply stop upgrading Myth |
| [18:15:27] | dmz: | sigh |
| [18:15:44] | dmz: | i understand their point but at the same time sigh |
| [18:16:48] | iamlindoro: | Glad you at least understand, many people will choose willfully to not understand. |
| [18:17:16] | iamlindoro: | Can't expect to continually upgrade software on the same hardware forever, and VIA is > 10 year old tech |
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| [18:20:43] | ** dustybin is really enjoying .24 ** | |
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| [18:55:50] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: not sure if you did, but I think sending that announcement out to the user's list is a good idea |
| [18:56:02] | iamlindoro: | I intend to |
| [18:56:05] | iamlindoro: | if only for laughs |
| [18:56:10] | iamlindoro: | Will do so in a sec |
| [18:56:14] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I imagine that many people don't check the frontpage of mythtv.org that often |
| [18:56:24] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: yea, no problem... just throwing in my $.02 :) |
| [18:57:34] | wagnerrp: | why would via users care about libmpeg2 |
| [18:57:52] | wagnerrp: | i thought someone said it only improved performance on (32-bit) Athlons |
| [18:58:07] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Who said they would? |
| [18:58:14] | iamlindoro: | They care about XvMC |
| [18:58:36] | wagnerrp: | guy 45min ago was concerned about libmpeg2 |
| [18:58:47] | wagnerrp: | (as well) |
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| [19:02:48] | dmz: | ahh sorry i was thinking it used libmpeg2 |
| [19:03:01] | dmz: | but XvMC is going also |
| [19:03:06] | dmz: | so my via boards are borked |
| [19:03:07] | wagnerrp: | libmpeg2 and xvmc cannot be used together |
| [19:03:10] | dmz: | unless i get an nvidia card |
| [19:03:26] | dmz: | so i typed the wrong one; the point is my via boards won't work past .24 |
| [19:04:07] | wagnerrp: | sure they will, they just wont have enough power for nearly any of the content you would want to watch |
| [19:04:15] | dmz: | :) |
| [19:04:18] | wagnerrp: | of course as far as im concerned, they havent been able to for years |
| [19:04:27] | dmz: | XvMC use to be helpful w/hw acceleration |
| [19:04:29] | wagnerrp: | most of the stuff i watch is HD |
| [19:04:36] | sphery: | they can't even do PVR-x50 content? |
| [19:04:43] | dmz: | sure they can |
| [19:04:47] | sphery: | then you're all set |
| [19:04:51] | wagnerrp: | xvmc has never been desirable |
| [19:04:53] | sphery: | 0.24 works fine with Via :) |
| [19:04:57] | dmz: | iv'e got a few pvr w/.24 |
| [19:05:00] | sphery: | and 0.25, that is |
| [19:05:26] | sphery: | basically, though, we can't let your hardware hold back the rest of us |
| [19:05:28] | sphery: | :) |
| [19:05:44] | sphery: | if you want to be held back--just hold back on 0.24 |
| [19:06:05] | wagnerrp: | its just been a necessity on some hardware |
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| [19:27:10] | stuartm: | if I'd been thinking clearly I'd have stuck someone else's name on that news item so I didn't take the blame ;) |
| [19:27:18] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [19:27:22] | iamlindoro: | There's still time |
| [19:27:41] | iamlindoro: | you can edit after the fact, users are already convinced I am trying to take their MythTVs away |
| [19:27:48] | iamlindoro: | so feel free to use mine |
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| [19:38:40] | elmojo: | I just hope our servers don't get attacked again |
| [19:40:56] | wagnerrp: | attacked? |
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| [19:41:29] | wagnerrp: | someone pissed off about the removal of feature X, and DOS us? |
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| [19:42:38] | awalls: | stuartm: does libmpeg2 being dropped, does not mean playback of MPEG2 PS recordings is dropped, correct? |
| [19:43:04] | awalls: | ^ drop the first "does" |
| [19:43:08] | wagnerrp: | awalls: no, the ffmpeg libs play it just fine |
| [19:43:10] | stuartm: | correct, ffmpeg supports playback of mpeg2-ps |
| [19:43:19] | awalls: | OK, thx. |
| [19:43:40] | wagnerrp: | libmpeg2 was just some library that was somewhat more efficient for certain content on certain architectures |
| [19:43:58] | stuartm: | libmpeg2 doesn't really offer anything that ffmpeg doesn't apart from a tiny performance boost on some old Athlon processors |
| [19:44:02] | wagnerrp: | but it hasnt been updated in years |
| [19:44:13] | wagnerrp: | meaning ffmpeg has probably exceeded it since |
| [19:44:34] | wagnerrp: | not to mention the fact that decoding of such content is largely trivial on modern hardware anyway |
| [19:45:57] | GtrBaitt: | I had a quick newb question, looking to get started creating my myth backend-- 1) I have Brighthouse Networks Basic cable (no boxes), so do I a special capture card? If not, whats a good cheap dual capture card? 2) Also does any have a very beginner based install walkthrough webpage? 3) I plan on keeping my backend near my main TV, can it be used as both back/front? |
| [19:46:00] | stuartm: | Daniel seemed to think that it was still fractionally faster for some, but not enough to justify it's existence |
| [19:46:01] | awalls: | sounds like a no-brainer decision. Maintaining extra code for little benefit isn't worth the resources. |
| [19:46:28] | sphery: | more efficient for certain content on certain (ancient) architectures--at the expense of proper functionality |
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| [19:46:48] | sphery: | i.e. didn't work on some streams and always (almost always?) broke captions/subtitles |
| [19:46:53] | wagnerrp: | GtrBaitt: for analog cable, an old PVR-500 will work great |
| [19:46:57] | sphery: | libmpeg2 is a scourge |
| [19:47:00] | sphery: | and way out of date |
| [19:47:07] | wagnerrp: | or if you want to buy new, an HVR-2250 is the modern equivalent |
| [19:47:12] | GtrBaitt: | k |
| [19:47:19] | stuartm: | awalls: you'd think that was a the case, but some people are still prepared to fight for these things without really understanding the benefits and costs |
| [19:47:26] | wagnerrp: | awalls: did that stuff ever make it into the mainline kernel? |
| [19:47:50] | awalls: | The costs are external to the people who want the feature |
| [19:47:57] | awalls: | wagnerrp: What stuff? |
| [19:48:03] | wagnerrp: | -2250 drivers |
| [19:48:28] | awalls: | I seems to recall a PULL request. let me see if it's in the GIT repos |
| [19:48:34] | stuartm: | we still regularly get people selecting libmpeg2 on brand new systems because they've the impression that it's better, it's not and they come to our attention because they're reporting certain files won't play on their systems, they don't connect the dots |
| [19:49:09] | stuartm: | anyway, it's as good as gone now |
| [19:49:13] | wagnerrp: | awalls: just wondering if its reasonable to suggest to 'newbs' yet |
| [19:49:25] | wagnerrp: | or if it will require a bit of effort on their part (compiling a new kernel module) |
| [19:49:30] | stuartm: | sphery: commit away! |
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| [19:50:39] | sphery: | stuartm: heh, I have the (rather small) patch done, but I've been holding off with the transition |
| [19:51:10] | sphery: | there is a second patch, too, that I need to run by markk--but it's just cleanup after the fact, so I'll do it separately |
| [19:51:22] | stuartm: | this is ridiculous, I haven't received post for three days now, a few inches of snow and the postmen reveal themselves to be a bunch of little girls |
| [19:51:38] | awalls: | wagnerrp: There's a saa7164 driver in the linuxtv media.git repo branch linuxtv/staging/for_v2.6.37-rc1 |
| [19:52:03] | sphery: | Yeah, if we got a few inches of snow, here, the entire area would shut down |
| [19:52:08] | awalls: | I'll check to see if it made it to 2.6.36 |
| [19:52:14] | stuartm: | which is quite unfair to little girls, since even our local paper girl was out delivering today |
| [19:53:08] | sphery: | heh |
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| [19:53:20] | wagnerrp: | GtrBaitt: ^^^ the PVR-500 will be easier to get working, the HVR-2250 will require a bit of linux knowledge |
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| [19:53:55] | stuartm: | sphery: it's heavy snow sure, but the roads/pavements are clear, people are still able to walk and drive past my front door and to make it worse there is a post office just 300 yards from my front door which has been receiving deliveries/collections all day |
| [19:54:31] | stuartm: | our postmen are just work shy |
| [19:54:48] | biffhero: | [11:54] <stuartm> our postmen are just work shy <<< but you repeat yourself. |
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| [19:55:42] | sphery: | stuartm: heh, yeah, here in central Florida, though, we don't know how to handle snow, so it would be a real mess for us |
| [19:56:52] | sphery: | we're having a cold snap--64F (17.8C) now and low of 48F (8.9C) tonight |
| [19:57:04] | stuartm: | ooh, warm |
| [19:57:10] | awalls: | wagnerrp: A saa7164 driver with HVR-225o support first went into kernel v2.6.32 |
| [19:57:13] | sphery: | heh, not for me |
| [19:57:18] | stuartm: | low of -8C here |
| [19:58:09] | wagnerrp: | awalls: hes looking for analog support |
| [19:58:28] | awalls: | Oh. Hmmm. |
| [19:59:12] | Beirdo: | it's in the v4l-dvb tree AFAIK |
| [19:59:33] | stuartm: | sphery: that's 17.6°F, which is an odd coincidence of numbers |
| [19:59:51] | Beirdo: | my patches that were in stoth's repo got pulled into that tree about a month ago, IIRC |
| [19:59:55] | sphery: | 17.6? |
| [20:00:06] | wagnerrp: | youre at +17.8 |
| [20:00:11] | sphery: | oh |
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| [20:00:18] | sphery: | cool |
| [20:00:38] | stuartm: | ok, so it's 0.2 off ;) |
| [20:00:54] | stuartm: | and different units |
| [20:00:57] | sphery: | yeah |
| [20:01:02] | sphery: | but that never stopped Nasa |
| [20:01:04] | awalls: | saa7164 analog support is not in kernel v2.6.36 |
| [20:01:13] | emanuelez: | hello. my mythtv backend does not seem to be setting up the upnp server correctly. is there anything that needs to be done to have it set up? |
| [20:01:17] | sphery: | s/Nasa/NASA/ |
| [20:01:23] | awalls: | So we're already talking stuff I would subject newbs to |
| [20:01:30] | awalls: | /wouldn't/ |
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| [20:04:08] | Beirdo: | awalls: yeah, I don't think it's been pulled THAT far yet :) |
| [20:04:16] | wagnerrp: | emanuelez: what IP did you tell your backend to listen to? |
| [20:04:29] | awalls: | BTW, there's cx25840 module breakage that made it into kernel v.2.6.36. Get ready for reports of cards supported by ivtv, pvrusb2, and cx23885 not working. |
| [20:04:46] | Beirdo: | but really, all they need is to compile it, it should work (in theory). Not really newb material though |
| [20:05:10] | emanuelez: | wagnerrp: listen? i want the backend to be the upnp server, not client, but no upnp client in the network can detect it |
| [20:05:37] | wagnerrp: | servers must listen to a network address to be able to serve clients |
| [20:05:49] | wagnerrp: | what address did you tell the backend to listen to |
| [20:06:00] | awalls: | Yes, the v4l-dvb doesn't have any of the new IR stuff, and patches don't get backported rapidly to it. |
| [20:06:18] | ** awalls dislikes the move to git for v4l-dvb ** | |
| [20:06:51] | emanuelez: | wagnerrp: i see. it was 127.0.0.1 but now i set it to its LAN address. let's see if it helps |
| [20:07:14] | wagnerrp: | yes, the upnp server is disabled if mythbackend is set to listen to localhost |
| [20:07:19] | sphery: | ttbomk, upnp is dis... |
| [20:07:21] | sphery: | too slow |
| [20:07:40] | emanuelez: | wagnerrp: do i have to restart the backed for the setting to take effect? |
| [20:07:45] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [20:07:59] | emanuelez: | wagnerrp: thanks. will try right away |
| [20:08:21] | sphery: | in fact, when starting mythtv-setup (where you make that change), you're told to stop the backend |
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| [20:20:19] | emanuelez: | wagnerrp: nice! it worked :) but it looks like the videos folder is empty... do i have to set that as well? |
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| [20:21:27] | wagnerrp: | did you use storage groups to set up mythvideo? |
| [20:22:32] | emanuelez: | not sure... it was a while ago. will check |
| [20:24:01] | emanuelez: | wagnerrp: i used the default ones |
| [20:24:20] | wagnerrp: | default ones? |
| [20:24:32] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo has no default storage location |
| [20:26:02] | emanuelez: | hmmm... i have a bunch of predefined folders, for music, videos etc etc |
| [20:26:26] | wagnerrp: | where at? |
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| [20:27:45] | emanuelez: | wagnerrp: /var/lib/mythtv/videos |
| [20:27:53] | sphery: | likely distro-set |
| [20:27:57] | sphery: | ? |
| [20:28:14] | wagnerrp: | is it set as a storage group folder? or a local folder? |
| [20:28:37] | emanuelez: | local folder i suppose |
| [20:29:38] | wagnerrp: | did you do it in mythtv-setup or mythfrontend? |
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| [20:30:25] | emanuelez: | wagnerrp: mythtv-setup |
| [20:30:35] | wagnerrp: | then you are using storage groups |
| [20:30:48] | wagnerrp: | the upnp server does not currently understand storage groups for mythvideo |
| [20:31:01] | emanuelez: | i see |
| [20:31:01] | wagnerrp: | you must run mythfrontend on the machine running the backend |
| [20:31:12] | emanuelez: | ok |
| [20:31:17] | wagnerrp: | and in the mythvideo setup in mythfrontend, set the proper folder |
| [20:31:25] | emanuelez: | i see |
| [20:31:34] | emanuelez: | will try right away |
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| [20:34:09] | GreyFoxx: | Anyone happen to know of any particular good server hosting companies? I'm looking for either a dedicated 1/2u server OR someplace to host an existing VMWARE instance with multiple upstreams , good BW limits and not totally gonna break the bank |
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| [20:35:49] | emanuelez: | wagnerrp: so i'm in frontend->setup->media setings->videos settings->general settings. the path in there seems to be correct |
| [20:36:06] | wagnerrp: | sounds right |
| [20:37:09] | emanuelez: | ah! seems to work now... ah damn... the symlink in that folder does not seem to be followed :( so close! LOL |
| [20:37:55] | emanuelez: | wagnerrp: it is followed when i access the videos from the frontend... but not from upnp or smb |
| [20:39:10] | stuartm: | GreyFoxx: no idea how they stack up against other hosting options, especially not in the virtual or dedicated stuff, but I've never had any real problems with www.jaguarpc.com |
| [20:39:15] | stuartm: | worth a look maybe |
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| [20:39:56] | GreyFoxx: | Thanks, I'll add them to my list |
| [20:40:15] | GreyFoxx: | It's funny, in the last 15 years I've not once ever had to pay to colo my server before :) |
| [20:40:44] | GreyFoxx: | This feels weird... letting it out of my control :) |
| [20:41:40] | stuartm: | colo, dedicated, even VPS are overkill for my modest usage, so I've never used anything but shared hosting |
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| [20:42:24] | GreyFoxx: | It would mean some major changes for me to move to a shared setup |
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| [20:43:49] | emanuelez: | wagnerrp: ok... i used a second folder instead of a symlink and now i can see all the files |
| [20:43:58] | emanuelez: | wagnerrp: but i cannot play them :/ |
| [20:44:44] | jams: | GreyFoxx- always had good luck with verio for dedicated. might break the bank though |
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| [20:45:24] | GreyFoxx: | yeah the budget is quite low hehe I'm just looking to move it off my my current (work) location :) |
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| [20:48:21] | tyce: | is there anything built in to mythtv to only allow mythcommflagging either "off-hours" or only when tuners are not recording? |
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| [20:49:53] | clever: | tyce: there is an option in mythtv-setup to control what hours jobs run at |
| [20:50:08] | clever: | atleast i think there is |
| [20:50:58] | stuartm: | seems Jag are offering a coupon giving a lifetime discount on their VPS products atm (15% discount, 50% more bandwidth, more ram, more diskspace, more everything), though they don't state whether they use VMWARE |
| [20:51:41] | tyce: | clever: I'll have to look again, that's more/less what I was searching for and couldn't find it the first couple times I skimmed thru the options. |
| [20:52:32] | clever: | tyce: i might be thinking of a different program |
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| [20:53:07] | sphery: | tyce: Job Queue Start Time/Job Queue End Time in General settings, several screens in |
| [20:53:14] | Beirdo: | ooooooow! |
| [20:53:40] | ** tyce thanks +sphery ** | |
| [20:53:47] | Beirdo: | anyone who designs pedestals for office cubes... MUST be shot if they leave sharp corners on it |
| [20:54:06] | Beirdo: | I just got a corner right to the knee |
| [20:54:15] | sphery: | ooh, funny bone? |
| [20:54:17] | stuartm: | GreyFoxx: I'd be interested to know who you go with, I'm not currently in the market but who knows where I'll be in 6 months |
| [20:54:18] | clever: | Beirdo: need to keep all sharp edges away from the cube dwellers |
| [20:55:04] | GreyFoxx: | stuart: I'll let you know |
| [20:56:40] | Beirdo: | OK, now that the gasping pain is subsiding a bit... back to work |
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| [20:57:08] | GreyFoxx: | If I get a dedicated server I'll likely install vmware and move phaze.org exactly as is heh |
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| [20:57:26] | GreyFoxx: | *shrug* really not sure yet :) |
| [20:57:53] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: im enjoying the slackware experience |
| [20:58:06] | dustybin: | not had a single problem since using it |
| [20:58:32] | GreyFoxx: | Cool |
| [20:58:59] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: im not too keen on mythtv slackbuild as i like to svn update |
| [20:59:09] | dustybin: | but everything else i use slackbuilds |
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| [21:11:24] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:11:32] | Beirdo: | hope ya like git pulling too |
| [21:13:14] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: ive been messing around with GitPython, seems there have been patches that should fix the issue |
| [21:13:39] | wagnerrp: | it also seems like gitdb and async have been completely removed from the GitPython repository |
| [21:13:55] | wagnerrp: | which is confusing, because i cant tell where theyve been moved to, and the code still calls them |
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| [21:17:27] | wagnerrp: | ah, looks like it pulls them from pypi |
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| [21:18:40] | wagnerrp: | huh, it installed this time, it didnt last time |
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| [21:22:35] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: ahhh |
| [21:23:42] | CyberKnet: | mmmmmm.... pie |
| [21:23:48] | wagnerrp: | can you push a change and see what happens? |
| [21:24:06] | Beirdo: | no, but we can simulate one :) |
| [21:24:17] | wagnerrp: | well, whatever youve been doing |
| [21:24:30] | Beirdo: | there |
| [21:24:41] | wagnerrp: | nothing in the log... |
| [21:25:30] | wagnerrp: | does no logging mean good? |
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| [21:47:41] | nutron: | anyone know of a "good" am2/3 itx motherboard? |
| [21:49:45] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to one found on newegg? |
| [21:50:01] | nutron: | wagnerrp: ahh yes always forget about the eggers |
| [21:50:32] | nutron: | I can help myself, though most don't seem to meet my needs on the integrated nvidia graphics side of things. |
| [21:50:38] | nutron: | always ati :( |
| [21:51:06] | wagnerrp: | yeah, theres only one or two 8200-based ones ive seen |
| [21:51:12] | wagnerrp: | either that, or theyre old 6150 units |
| [21:51:46] | nutron: | yech, then it's gonna have to be a mini atx with an nvidia gfx card |
| [21:52:05] | CyberKnet: | mini or micro? |
| [21:52:16] | nutron: | there goes the "super teeny" budget... I should always remember not to do this stuff right before xmas |
| [21:52:28] | nutron: | CyberKnet: I never know the diff, they all seem to have 3 expansion slots |
| [21:54:13] | wagnerrp: | mini-itx is a nearly square board |
| [21:54:24] | wagnerrp: | micro-atx is about halfway between mini-itx and atx |
| [21:54:42] | nutron: | looks like if I want to go small, it'll have to be an atom/ion combo |
| [21:54:45] | wagnerrp: | mini boards generally have one or no expansion slots |
| [21:54:54] | wagnerrp: | micro generally have 3–4 |
| [21:54:58] | wagnerrp: | and atx 6–7 |
| [21:55:12] | nutron: | huh, so micro is mid size? ... odd |
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| [21:55:52] | nutron: | so then what's the diff when someone says mini atx vs mini itx.. meh, nvm I'll get it all sorted |
| [21:56:23] | wagnerrp: | there is no such thing as mini-atx |
| [21:57:16] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500021 |
| [21:57:25] | nutron: | you're right |
| [21:57:50] | nutron: | the 8200's not vdapu is it? |
| [21:57:54] | nutron: | err vdpau |
| [21:58:05] | wagnerrp: | yes it is |
| [21:58:10] | wagnerrp: | i have one on one of my frontends |
| [21:58:33] | nutron: | oh nice, sorry thought the minimum was the 8400 |
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| [21:58:55] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500019 |
| [21:59:12] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135259 |
| [21:59:19] | wagnerrp: | the minimum is any 8-series |
| [21:59:32] | nutron: | lol your search-fu skills are amazing |
| [21:59:35] | wagnerrp: | minus the original 8800 GTX and GTS |
| [21:59:35] | nutron: | thanks! |
| [21:59:50] | wagnerrp: | that last one isnt an nvidia |
| [22:00:12] | wagnerrp: | but any i3 you shove in it should have sufficient power for software decoding of any content you want, and enough opengl for the opengl painter |
| [22:00:38] | nutron: | any i3? |
| [22:00:54] | CyberKnet: | intel core i3 processor |
| [22:01:08] | nutron: | aye, i just mean, any model? |
| [22:01:56] | wagnerrp: | the slowest you can buy is an i3–530 at 2.93GHz |
| [22:01:57] | CyberKnet: | that's generally what the word "any" means :) |
| [22:02:09] | wagnerrp: | which should have plenty for any recorded or purchased content you throw at it |
| [22:02:25] | wagnerrp: | you /could/ encode something more intensive than it could handle |
| [22:02:29] | wagnerrp: | but why would you want to |
| [22:03:14] | wagnerrp: | seems the 3.06GHz version is on sale for $105 |
| [22:03:15] | nutron: | wagnerrp: aye I get ya |
| [22:03:46] | wagnerrp: | so it would end up being maybe $30 more than the mini-itx 8200 and an AMD chip |
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| [22:13:33] | stuartm: | ouch – http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/02/proftpd_backdoored/ |
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| [22:15:12] | stuartm: | xris, Beirdo: I hope we're securing this new server as tightly as possible – http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/02/proftpd_backdoored/ |
| [22:15:45] | Beirdo: | we don't have proftpd installed to my knowledge |
| [22:16:02] | Beirdo: | anyone who runs an ftpd is asking for fun anyways :) |
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| [22:16:56] | Beirdo: | hehe, and... if you are too worried, you should code read before installing anything, etc :) |
| [22:17:02] | Beirdo: | tis lame ;) |
| [22:17:30] | xris: | stuartm: and use vsftpd instead of proftpd |
| [22:17:39] | stuartm: | Beirdo: it's not the proftpd bit that bothers me so much as the hackers modifying popular open source projects to include backdoors, as the article notes this is the second in 3 days |
| [22:17:54] | Beirdo: | yeah, so watch our commit messages :) |
| [22:18:04] | stuartm: | Beirdo: doesn't help with the tarballs |
| [22:18:33] | Beirdo: | yeah, true |
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| [22:21:25] | stuartm: | fwiw I haven't used any ftp apps in years, scp ftw |
| [22:21:27] | sid3windr: | yeh, nicely mirrored to all mirrors too ;[ but i've checked mine – was resynced before the advisory last night |
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| [22:27:59] | clever: | stuartm: same thing can be done to any popular binary, like a working win32 build of myth |
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| [22:28:10] | clever: | hard to find so people might dl any they can find and blindly run it |
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| [22:28:52] | stuartm: | Beirdo: I nominate you head of security for the MythTV Foundation :) |
| [22:29:15] | Beirdo: | heh :) |
| [22:29:19] | wagnerrp: | alan`: the preferred solution is to get an mpeg encoder |
| [22:29:25] | stuartm: | we need a fall guy |
| [22:29:36] | digitalstimulus: | I have 0.24 mythtv frontend/backend running on the same machine and I have something more annoying than a problem with mythvideo: When browsing video collection, the thumbnails all refresh/reload each time I press any arrow key direction and select another video. It doesn't seem to cache the cover arts. However, connecting from a different machine doesn't seem to have this problem. |
| [22:29:42] | Beirdo: | nah, we can find a better fall-guy |
| [22:29:43] | stuartm: | er, I mean responsible individual |
| [22:29:50] | alan`: | wagnerrp: at this point i got this for free and i'm just trying to piece it together again |
| [22:29:50] | Beirdo: | where's mchou? |
| [22:29:53] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:29:59] | alan`: | i had it working for a while but reinstalled and lost the configuration |
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| [22:30:06] | ** iamlindoro looks around and whistles ** | |
| [22:30:10] | iamlindoro: | m-who? |
| [22:30:45] | wagnerrp: | alan`: that tuner should really only be used for digital video |
| [22:30:51] | wagnerrp: | meaning capture off an antenna |
| [22:30:52] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: careful, if the authorities start sniffing around it's only a matter of time before they figure out where you hid the body |
| [22:31:17] | alan`: | wagnerrp: i've tried setting that up and it doesn't find anything either |
| [22:31:19] | iamlindoro: | Well, just as long as the channel isn't logged |
| [22:31:42] | sphery: | down by the water's edge? |
| [22:32:21] | iamlindoro: | I'd never choose anything so hackneyed |
| [22:32:22] | alan`: | i need to figure out how to list it as an alsa device instead of it trying to record from the port on the sound card |
| [22:32:46] | iamlindoro: | I'm more of a liquid nitrogen->woodchipper->four motorcycles in four directions on a windy day sort of guy |
| [22:32:58] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:33:16] | sphery: | more of a Fargo guy than a Seven Mary Three guy? |
| [22:33:29] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: are the four motorcycles going to carry off the ground up body parts? |
| [22:33:44] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Yes, preferably in an open container to disperse widely |
| [22:33:45] | wagnerrp: | or are you going to draw him before the woodchipper? |
| [22:33:55] | digitalstimulus: | iamlindoro, that would be effective. One of the clients of an ex-employer was a meat packing plant and they had a huge meat grinder that they tossed whole cows in, you don't want to piss those guys off. |
| [22:34:20] | wagnerrp: | digitalstimulus: whole... cows...? |
| [22:34:31] | wagnerrp: | bones and all? |
| [22:34:46] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: McDonalds patties have to come from somewhere, ya know |
| [22:34:48] | digitalstimulus: | it was a huge bin. I never actually saw it going so I don't know, but it could easily fit a cow in and was positioned under the hooks |
| [22:35:37] | iamlindoro: | Heh, stuartm, your "bye bye XvMC/libmpeg2" announcement made phoronix |
| [22:35:41] | kormoc: | they don't ever grind whole cows. The skin is too valuable to just eat, the organs will destroy the meat (FDA won't allow certain organs in food) |
| [22:36:04] | biffhero: | they pull out those organs, skin, and drop in the dogfood-making machine. |
| [22:36:11] | wagnerrp: | it might just be me, but i dont want to eat ground up kidneys and large intestine |
| [22:36:25] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Not only that, but they managed to parlay your announcement into an article four times as long |
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| [22:36:37] | digitalstimulus: | the meat they used wasn't for humans, the whole plant I think shipped off to a dog food factory |
| [22:37:14] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Heh, and the comments have all you have come to expect from our users |
| [22:37:15] | digitalstimulus: | the floor always was slick, worse than ice |
| [22:37:19] | skd5aner: | Hmmm... interesting alternative to a logitech dinovo mini – http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/05/rii-mini-w . . . not-your-wi/ |
| [22:37:57] | digitalstimulus: | does anyone know how to cache the cover art thumbnails in mythvideo? they seem to refresh any time I change which video is selected |
| [22:39:45] | digitalstimulus: | which can be annoying in gallery view, even causes mythtv-frontend to crash if they are loading and I press escape. |
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| [22:40:19] | wagnerrp: | digitalstimulus: do you have them stored on a SMB share or something? |
| [22:41:07] | digitalstimulus: | wagnerrp, local, frontend/backend on same machine. What's weird is that if I connect from a different machine to that backend, myth frontend caches the thumbnails on the remote machine |
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| [22:41:32] | wagnerrp: | are they on an NTFS or other non-linux-native format? |
| [22:41:53] | digitalstimulus: | ext3 I believe. could be ext4, it's a native linux FS |
| [22:42:50] | digitalstimulus: | the frontend is pointing to the backend by ip address not 127.0.0.1 or localhost |
| [22:43:03] | stuartm: | sphery: I so very nearly made the fargo reference in response to iamlindoro ;) |
| [22:43:23] | sphery: | heh |
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| [22:44:05] | sphery: | I couldn't stand that movie, but I love O Brother... Those brothers have good and bad movies. |
| [22:44:08] | digitalstimulus: | perhaps it's a bug |
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| [22:46:55] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: at least that phoronix article seems supportive, they seem to agree about XvMC and Xv being the past |
| [22:46:58] | iamlindoro: | http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php . . . 1#post159382 |
| [22:47:08] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: The above being my response to the comments |
| [22:47:15] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Yes, they seem to "get it" |
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| [22:50:02] | dustybin: | how would one know if one is using Xv ? |
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| [22:51:27] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to...? |
| [22:54:41] | stuartm: | dustybin: are you using vdpau? |
| [22:54:57] | stuartm: | dustybin: are you using opengl? |
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| [22:55:51] | stuartm: | dustybin: on linux Xv would be anything that isn't vdpau or opengl or XvMC e.g. Xv-blit |
| [22:55:55] | dustybin: | im using qt |
| [22:56:06] | stuartm: | dustybin: for video, the video profile |
| [22:56:12] | ** dustybin checks ** | |
| [22:56:52] | dustybin: | xv-blit |
| [22:56:54] | skd5aner: | dustybin mythfrontend -v playback will definitely tell you what's being output and if it's falling back to Xv |
| [22:57:18] | dustybin: | im doomed :( |
| [22:57:39] | iamlindoro: | No. Just like nobody else is doomed. |
| [22:57:55] | iamlindoro: | You can either use OpenGL, upgrade your video hardware, or not upgrade Myth. |
| [22:58:12] | iamlindoro: | Permanent software upgrades without changing hardware are not a right. |
| [22:58:44] | dustybin: | how about MythTV SD version and MythTV HD version |
| [22:58:47] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [22:59:15] | skd5aner: | I can't believe Phoronix already has a full length news article about the announcement... man, they don't mess around |
| [22:59:17] | Beirdo: | sure. SD version is 0.24 |
| [22:59:19] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [22:59:23] | iamlindoro: | ^^ yes, that |
| [22:59:34] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Yeah, 4x the length of the announcement itself, heh |
| [22:59:34] | Beirdo: | just don't upgrade past where stuff you need is removed |
| [22:59:35] | skd5aner: | and xbox version is 0.18 ;) |
| [23:02:26] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, for future reference, you might want to point out that distros now ship with desktops requiring opengl/etc for special effects. If they feel that your terminal window requires fast opengl... |
| [23:02:41] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Heh, another good point |
| [23:03:45] | sphery: | kormoc: heh, like there's any possible way to do a terminal without fast opengl... Even the old 3270 had cutting-edge OpenGL support. |
| [23:03:54] | sphery: | right? |
| [23:03:58] | kormoc: | Right! |
| [23:04:25] | sphery: | I don't get phoronix web site... can't figure out how to find this article |
| [23:04:39] | biffhero: | If my "ls" output isn't rendered properly, then I am moving on to a different distro. |
| [23:04:41] | kormoc: | sphery, link in the top of the forum thread |
| [23:04:42] | sphery: | I see it in RSS, but get a blank page when I click on it |
| [23:05:39] | sphery: | ok, obviously their site isn't compatible with my Namoroka |
| [23:06:04] | sphery: | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODg2Mw is blank--except for an AT&T Samsung phone ad and a Virgin America ad |
| [23:06:23] | skd5aner: | http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=ODg2Mw |
| [23:07:01] | sphery: | weird... |
| [23:07:08] | sphery: | that one worked |
| [23:07:25] | skd5aner: | your WELCOME! |
| [23:07:27] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [23:07:31] | sphery: | er, thanks |
| [23:07:32] | skd5aner: | *you're |
| [23:07:53] | sphery: | now it doesn't work |
| [23:07:54] | skd5aner: | heh – I haven't been thanked enough today at work – taking it out on you |
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| [23:08:56] | sphery: | ok, out of 10 tries, one loaded |
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| [23:09:59] | sphery: | what's up with their site... |
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| [23:15:58] | kenni: | Hi guys, I haven't played much around with the metadata before, is there any way to trigger a metadata fetch for the recordings? I've been adding some metadata at thetvdb.com and I can fetch it manually with ttvdb.py. |
| [23:16:10] | kenni: | I suppose there's an "already processed" switch somewhere, like in mythvideo, so it doesn't try to fetch the metadata over and over again? |
| [23:16:11] | skd5aner: | jamu |
| [23:16:18] | skd5aner: | jamu -MW i believe |
| [23:16:34] | kenni: | isn't jamu optional now? |
| [23:16:46] | skd5aner: | ttbomk, you can't instantiate the retrival of fanart for watched recordings in the UI |
| [23:16:57] | skd5aner: | it's optional for videos |
| [23:17:03] | skd5aner: | not recordings |
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| [23:17:25] | kenni: | ahh |
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| [23:17:43] | kenni: | so the recordings is actually updated with an external cron job? |
| [23:18:24] | skd5aner: | kenni: I have a cronjob setup that will launch jamu -MW at 5 till the hour, so that any new recordings will have their fanwork added... I hear this is what mythbuntu does as well |
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| [23:27:38] | kenni: | skd5aner: Thanks, jamu on my *backend* did the job :) Got a bit confused, since tmdb.py apparently was running on the frontends (or at least they appeared in the log of the frontends) |
| [23:28:22] | ** kenni heads back to thetvdb.com to update some more metadata ** | |
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| [23:29:01] | skd5aner: | kenni: yea, I think that's a requirement, that jamu must run on a backend |
| [23:31:01] | iamlindoro: | kenni, You probably want to read the jamu wiki page |
| [23:31:24] | iamlindoro: | kenni, Everything RDV_Linux_ has ever had to troubleshoot is addressed there, including all your questions |
| [23:33:42] | stuartm: | well it probably wasn't wise, but I've replied to that thread |
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| [23:38:46] | skd5aner: | You know what... I honestly think you guys are worrying about it to much |
| [23:38:58] | stuartm: | I'm not community manager material ;) |
| [23:39:03] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, We are damned if we do, and damned if we don't |
| [23:39:17] | skd5aner: | as a user, I'd like to see innovation, not stagnation |
| [23:39:17] | kenni: | iamlindoro, yes, I have read a lot on that page, the problem is not to find specific information on the grabbers, but to get an overview as a newcomer. |
| [23:39:31] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I think you're way last damned if you do |
| [23:39:48] | iamlindoro: | If we announce it well in advance, we catch hell from the crowd who refuse to upgrade on religious grounds |
| [23:39:59] | iamlindoro: | if we don't announce it until we do it, we catch hell for not announcing it |
| [23:40:14] | iamlindoro: | and then if we try to address concerns, we catch hell for daring to disagree |
| [23:40:26] | skd5aner: | Well, I think you did the best possible thing by giving people a heads up... I think it's great! |
| [23:40:34] | stuartm: | well hopefully I got the stagnation vs innovation point across in my post without rubbing people up the wrong way |
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| [23:40:53] | skd5aner: | So what if a half-dozen people make noise, there are thousands of mythtv users who aren't making any noise or are praising the decision – look at it that way |
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| [23:41:56] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, I think you overestimate how much we care what most complainers think :) |
| [23:42:00] | skd5aner: | I mean, there are very few people who have deployed mythtv and discovered it to be a "dirt cheap" option – as stuartm said, progres can't just be in the code, it's also on the hardware infrastructure too |
| [23:42:07] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, We just foolishly still hope to change minds with logic and reason ;) |
| [23:42:40] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I know you don't necessarily "care" – but I do see, by a few folks ongoing comments, including your own, that it does at least "irk" you a bit |
| [23:43:06] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, More a besumed indignation-- it seldom actually irritates me any more |
| [23:43:11] | iamlindoro: | Sadly, it's just become par for the course |
| [23:43:23] | skd5aner: | I'm just reassuring you, fwiw, that I think the party poopers are few and far between and most welcome the advancement :) |
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| [23:43:39] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure that ultimately most people will-- I have/had no doubt of that |
| [23:43:54] | iamlindoro: | Honestly, I'd love to get rid of some of the complainy users anyway |
| [23:44:09] | stuartm: | I guess I'm more keen to see this go over smoothly because I've had the misfortune to read the eMusic forums for the last 6 months, a handful of upset customers have practically destroyed a company just because they were asked to pay a little more for their music (but still way less than itunes, amazon etc), it's a pretty disheartening example of how a vocal minority can whip up a shit storm over nothing at all |
| [23:44:39] | skd5aner: | truth be told, I want to see myth emerge with some really awesome stuff that other media centers haven't yet done, I think some of these are foundational decisions that should enable you guys to do that instead of holding you back |
| [23:44:45] | skd5aner: | preaching to the choir, I know :) |
| [23:45:33] | skd5aner: | (disclaimer: I'm well aware that mythtv does many things other media centers don't do already, but I'm talking about unexplored potential) ;) |
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| [23:47:23] | stuartm: | I'm an optimist, I still hope despite all evidence to contrary that everyone in the world is basically sane, level headed and rational – so every reminder that that common sense isn't actually something which is common to all people is disheartening |
| [23:47:45] | stuartm: | tis the burden I carry ;) |
| [23:48:12] | skd5aner: | well... |
| [23:48:50] | iamlindoro: | stuartm, Heh, the phoronix administrator apparently decided we were worth a custom subtitle |
| [23:48:58] | skd5aner: | I'm a optimist in general, but I tend to think that the majority of people are dimwits who don't even attempt to use logic and reason... unfortunately |
| [23:49:03] | iamlindoro: | stuartm, We just became "MythTV" instead of "junior user" or whatever |
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| [23:49:59] | skd5aner: | all it takes is saying "we" a couple of times? heh |
| [23:50:14] | ** skd5aner goes off to get his MythTV title too ;) ** | |
| [23:50:19] | skd5aner: | j/k |
| [23:51:13] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [23:52:31] | stuartm: | I recognise that I've been guilty of the sort of responses and behaviour we see from users in the past, being on the receiving end makes me think twice but doesn't always stop me from being that person :( |
| [23:53:20] | skd5aner: | stuartm: the shoe is always on the other foot at various points of our lifes |
| [23:53:24] | sphery: | stuartm: so, how much of this vendor kickback do each of us get? |
| [23:53:29] | jams: | stuartm- Yesterday i found out that the medical profession trys to write all instructions/notes/announcments at the 6th grade reading lvl because that seems to be the LCD. At least here in the US |
| [23:53:39] | stuartm: | sphery: ssh, not here, PM me |
| [23:53:41] | ** sphery plans how to spend his millions... ** | |
| [23:53:45] | sphery: | ooh, wrong channel |
| [23:53:47] | sphery: | nvm |
| [23:54:20] | ** sphery would like to recall the previous 4 statements ** | |
| [23:54:31] | skd5aner: | so, nvidia decided it was easier to open their wallets than open their source... path of least resistance I suppose! :) |
| [23:54:33] | jams: | do bad you can't, it's in the logs now |
| [23:54:42] | sphery: | hmmm... didn't work--this IRC isn't as powerful as Outlook |
| [23:54:59] | jams: | bah that recall thing in outlook is iffy at best |
| [23:55:04] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [23:55:11] | sphery: | I love it when they send them to the mailing lists |
| [23:55:15] | skd5aner: | ... and basically worthless if a BES server is hooked up to exchange |
| [23:55:17] | jams: | hehehe yep |
| [23:55:30] | jams: | and then it just draws attention to the msg you don't want ppl to read |
| [23:55:40] | sphery: | heh, yeha |
| [23:55:48] | sphery: | I always go back and read the recalled messages |
| [23:55:55] | skd5aner: | kind of like when the guy typed his password in #mythtv ealier today... then said "OOOP! WRONG WINDOW!!!!" |
| [23:56:06] | jams: | yeah just like that |
| [23:56:34] | sphery: | I always quietly change my password, then acknowledge the oops |
| [23:57:17] | skd5aner: | I've yet to do that on something like IM/IRC, etc |
| [23:57:18] | stuartm: | could be worse, could be the url to your favourite kinky porn site typed into IRC instead of the browser |
| [23:57:37] | skd5aner: | but... I'm sure my password has shown up in logon failure logs before as the unsername |
| [23:57:49] | skd5aner: | *username |
| [23:58:46] | jamesd_laptop: | stuartm, pasting it into the IM window where you are chatting with your grandma |
| [23:59:17] | skd5aner: | jamesd_laptop: but that wasn't an accident when he did that... he was *sharing* with grandma |
| [23:59:33] | stuartm: | fwiw, that's probably happened in here before, by a regular, I was just too polite to draw attention to it or ask whether it was accidental or intentional |
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