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| [00:08:14] | castlec1: | where's the main menu xml stored these days? |
| [00:08:40] | castlec1: | more explictly, i should ask, what's the name of the file |
| [00:10:17] | wagnerrp: | mainmenu.xml |
| [00:10:49] | castlec1: | thanks wagner |
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| [00:11:05] | castlec1: | i don't have that in /usr/share/mythtv for some reason |
| [00:11:57] | wagnerrp: | ive got one |
| [00:12:25] | castlec1: | i'll do a locate and see if it's just somewhere else |
| [00:12:28] | wagnerrp: | /usr/share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu/mainmenu.xml |
| [00:12:41] | wagnerrp: | or /usr/local/share/mythtv if you prefer |
| [00:13:38] | castlec1: | ok. it's in the themes dir. why are some up at the higher level? |
| [00:13:53] | sphery: | ttbomk, none are, now |
| [00:14:04] | sphery: | all theme stuff got moved to theme dirs |
| [00:14:19] | castlec1: | what version did that happen at? |
| [00:14:23] | wagnerrp: | setup.xml is the only one higher up, because mythtv-setup is not intended to be themeable |
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| [00:15:21] | wagnerrp: | the menu themes have been set up in the same manner for as long as ive been using mythtv |
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| [00:16:10] | castlec1: | hmm... maybe i'll change the mythhello wiki entry then |
| [00:16:22] | sphery: | hmmm... I have a few plugin xml files in there |
| [00:16:32] | sphery: | some probably old/from old revisions |
| [00:16:58] | sphery: | I'll have to rm them before my next install and see what comes back |
| [00:17:07] | castlec1: | these the ones you have? archivemenu.xml musicmenu.xml netvisionmenu.xml videomenu.xml |
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| [00:17:50] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [00:18:34] | sphery: | and a video_settings.xml and music_settings.xml and game_settings.xml |
| [00:18:39] | sphery: | and a bunch of UPnP ones |
| [00:18:54] | castlec1: | i'll check back in with you then to see if your delete did anything negative |
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| [00:19:10] | castlec1: | i've got the same settings, are the upnp the ones that end in scpd? |
| [00:19:26] | sphery: | well, it won't since I'll be deleting them then doing a full install of mythtv, mythplugins, myththemes |
| [00:19:38] | sphery: | interesting thing will be which come back |
| [00:19:40] | wagnerrp: | i dont have any of the plugins installed on this machine currently |
| [00:19:47] | wagnerrp: | so that may be the case |
| [00:20:34] | castlec1: | ok. thanks guys. back to my plugin adventure |
| [00:21:11] | sphery: | I'm wondering if stuartm forgot to move the plugin xml files when he moved defaultmenu to its own dir |
| [00:21:37] | sphery: | or forgot to fix the installer for each plugin to install to the new locations |
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| [00:26:10] | sphery: | don't see any changes to plugin installer stuff around then ( [19925] ) |
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| [00:48:31] | skd5aner: | kormoc: you around? |
| [00:48:32] | mofu: | anyone solved an issue with HDHR only getting partial lock on some channels?? |
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| [00:50:12] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [00:51:16] | skd5aner: | hey, you might have saw, but I've seen maybe a half-dozen other reports on the -users mailing list refering to issues trying to get out of the ipod template and back to the default template on mobile devices |
| [00:51:41] | kormoc: | Yeah, I need to disable that template |
| [00:51:47] | skd5aner: | re: ticket 9220 – just letting you know that it appears to be common |
| [00:52:04] | skd5aner: | would disabling it fix the issue though? |
| [00:52:22] | kormoc: | Sure, why wouldn't it? |
| [00:53:14] | skd5aner: | well, perhaps my lack of understanding of what you mean by "disable"... but, the ipod template itself works "as-is" today, it's when you try and click the "restore default template" or whatever the link is on the bottom of the main page where the errors start to occur |
| [00:53:51] | skd5aner: | I suppose if it's never attempting to access the ipod template, then yes – that probably would fix it :) |
| [00:54:42] | skd5aner: | dinner is ready :) |
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| [02:11:13] | wagnerrp: | sphery: theyre getting smart... the sameple in #9311 was short enough you couldnt tell what movie it was to tell if it was one actually released on BR yet |
| [02:15:31] | sphery: | heh |
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| [02:16:08] | wagnerrp: | although its from Imagine Entertainment, they havent put anything out in over a year |
| [02:18:38] | wagnerrp: | my knowledge of transcoding issues is about 2 years old, x264 may have fixed things since then |
| [02:18:47] | wagnerrp: | but the core is dated to some time in november last year |
| [02:19:00] | sphery: | nice debugging on that one, too |
| [02:19:23] | jya: | I'm guessing he wasn't using vdpau with mplayer... |
| [02:19:42] | wagnerrp: | i remember that one setting caused me no end of trouble trying to encode my DVDs for streaming to my PS3 |
| [02:20:13] | sphery: | that is one seriously wide image |
| [02:20:30] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [02:20:50] | biffhero: | that's what she said. |
| [02:21:18] | sphery: | it's not 16:9... maybe 2.35:1? |
| [02:21:29] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its just been properly cropped |
| [02:22:00] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if they even use animorphic encoding on HDDVD/BR |
| [02:22:03] | wagnerrp: | ive never seen it |
| [02:22:10] | wagnerrp: | all my movies are letterboxed |
| [02:22:50] | sphery: | yeah, 1280x544 for 2.35:1 |
| [02:23:39] | sphery: | tons of subtitles |
| [02:23:51] | wagnerrp: | only like 20 different languages |
| [02:23:57] | sphery: | yeah |
| [02:24:16] | sphery: | not like DVD where they only give you those languages appropriate for the DVD's region |
| [02:24:39] | sphery: | they don't do region coding in BD? |
| [02:24:46] | wagnerrp: | yes, they do |
| [02:24:54] | wagnerrp: | HDDVD didnt, BR does |
| [02:25:10] | sphery: | oh |
| [02:25:30] | sphery: | just assumed with all those languages they wouldn't--though maybe that's a typical Euro-region sampling of languages |
| [02:26:28] | jya: | i wonder if a few very thick people escaped from the same place in the past few days, just to annoy others |
| [02:26:46] | sphery: | escaped? |
| [02:27:02] | jya: | well, surely they had to be locked up before |
| [02:27:06] | sphery: | heh |
| [02:27:35] | jya: | so we have the people who can't go in the settings.. |
| [02:27:36] | sphery: | lists have definitely been annoying lately |
| [02:27:43] | wagnerrp: | well at least (other) mike is starting to get some sense |
| [02:28:01] | wagnerrp: | i think i saw him mention in there somewhere a dual netburst xeon may not be the ideal frontend |
| [02:28:07] | jya: | some reporting crashes (and in other thread with stupid configure option leading to that crash) |
| [02:28:23] | jya: | we have the look it's leaking for the 250th time in 2 years with a long ps output |
| [02:28:56] | sphery: | heh, yeah, the "It can't possibly be me who's wrong, so I'll blame OpenSuSE" guy? |
| [02:29:14] | sphery: | and the ever-present Udo |
| [02:29:16] | jya: | maybe we should make the settings, with one button per page. |
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| [02:29:33] | sphery: | plus the "grounded" user who can't do a single thing without posting a new thread about it |
| [02:29:41] | wagnerrp: | hes not ever present |
| [02:29:55] | wagnerrp: | hes in hiding 9 months out of the year |
| [02:30:02] | sphery: | ok, true... he disappears, then comes back and says the same thing again |
| [02:30:15] | sphery: | ever-repeating, maybe? |
| [02:30:50] | jya: | i wonder if the issue with grounded is the same as ticket 9282 |
| [02:31:24] | jya: | that would be an interesting coincidence.. the issue has been there for years, and it show up twice in a week in completely different part of the world |
| [02:31:28] | sphery: | I stopped reading his threads about 20 threads ago |
| [02:31:42] | jya: | it's page 4 |
| [02:31:51] | jya: | but i pressed next 4 times, and it's not there |
| [02:31:58] | kormoc: | wow |
| [02:31:58] | jya: | duh |
| [02:32:09] | kormoc: | mike at grounded is using a PAE kernel with 2 gigs of ram? |
| [02:32:14] | kormoc: | That's... special... |
| [02:32:27] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: he actually thinks he has 4GB |
| [02:32:34] | wagnerrp: | the computer thinks otherwise |
| [02:32:56] | jya: | i've just realised: i have 4 fingers, but only 3 inter-space between them... awesome |
| [02:33:03] | kormoc: | it's not a memory issue, his mem info line has 1.5 gigs of filesystem cache |
| [02:33:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: maybe he's thinking of Giganibbles? |
| [02:33:36] | kormoc: | "Lot's of apps use up what ever it can, releasing as needed by the OS, then taking it up again." What magic is this! |
| [02:33:57] | kormoc: | I had no idea there was a way for the OS to politely request apps to return unused memory to it! |
| [02:34:12] | sphery: | that's the repo thread |
| [02:34:22] | jya: | well, in java or something... almost :) |
| [02:34:35] | sphery: | Sometimes they come in when your main thread is sleeping and just drive away with your memory |
| [02:34:42] | jya: | garbage collecting based system |
| [02:34:52] | biffhero: | so, how much memory do I need for a backend? 2G if I restart weekly, 4G otherwise? |
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| [02:35:02] | wagnerrp: | 2GB is fine |
| [02:35:11] | biffhero: | :-) |
| [02:35:12] | kormoc: | ooh. I should just rewrite my apps to grab all the memory all the time then! |
| [02:35:13] | jya: | I have 2GB in mine, had for years |
| [02:35:16] | sphery: | but in those, even, the memory is retained by the app and not released to the system until shutdown |
| [02:35:30] | sphery: | garbage collection (at least in java) only marks the memory as reusable by java |
| [02:35:48] | sphery: | biffhero: shouldn't need to restart weekly with 2GB, either |
| [02:35:49] | jya: | SystemRPL on hp calculators |
| [02:35:50] | kormoc: | biffhero, my combo backend, frontend, mysql, apache, etc box has 4 gigs. Never used more then 1.4 gigs of it |
| [02:36:07] | sphery: | I have 2GB and go for months without restart |
| [02:36:14] | jya: | all the unused memory *Used* by an application is returned to the OS when it needs it :) |
| [02:36:18] | biffhero: | can't you all take a joke? I was making a "it's leaking" comment. /me goes back to the assylum. |
| [02:36:33] | sphery: | jya: heh, never used that one |
| [02:36:39] | wagnerrp: | according to udo, the backend will suck down several GB of memory in a matter of weeks |
| [02:37:00] | sphery: | heh, my 512MB backend begs to differ |
| [02:37:02] | jya: | wagnerrp: you're giving him to much credit, he's talking months :) |
| [02:37:16] | sphery: | i.e. running on an Athlon XP 2400+ with 512MB RAM |
| [02:37:22] | sphery: | and I /never/ reboot it |
| [02:37:27] | sphery: | and that's 0.23 still |
| [02:37:28] | wagnerrp: | oh, so thats the reason for his several months of quiet |
| [02:37:42] | sphery: | so without all the fixes that Udo "helped" us create |
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| [02:37:59] | wagnerrp: | thats the memory consumed for the entire expanse between emails |
| [02:38:13] | wagnerrp: | hundreds of thousands of recordings later |
| [02:39:51] | biffhero: | I have 1G on a 2.2GHz Core 2 Duo, and there's 330M free. |
| [02:39:55] | jya: | well, running valgrind does show me heaps of unallocaed memory |
| [02:40:32] | biffhero: | I keep wanting to set up a "cable company" for myself and my friends with this amazing app. I wonder if my 12 year old would be up for it. |
| [02:40:52] | sphery: | heh, what do you know. My XP 2400+ has 1GB RAM |
| [02:40:59] | sphery: | wonder when that happened |
| [02:41:18] | jya: | if you leave it for too long on their own, they breed |
| [02:41:38] | sphery: | has 865972kB free after buffers/cache |
| [02:41:43] | wagnerrp: | biffhero: there was someone who did that a couple years ago up in canada |
| [02:42:00] | wagnerrp: | had a few hundred neighbors in his area tied into it |
| [02:42:21] | biffhero: | that's awesome. |
| [02:42:23] | wagnerrp: | set up big dishes and licensed the content directly |
| [02:43:26] | biffhero: | good idea. |
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| [02:44:17] | sphery: | biffhero / wagnerrp: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2004/pulpi . . . _000460.html |
| [02:44:43] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats the one |
| [02:44:44] | sphery: | says that the recorded archive is so large that there's very little left to record |
| [02:44:45] | wagnerrp: | 2004? |
| [02:44:49] | sphery: | yeah |
| [02:45:16] | sphery: | the wifi of it doesn't make sense today |
| [02:45:44] | biffhero: | I wonder if he had to do anything where he made it so people who didn't subscribe to something didn't get it. |
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| [02:46:28] | wagnerrp: | at least hes using -a |
| [02:46:46] | sphery: | yeah, that makes a lot more sense than b/g for a wide area |
| [02:46:50] | jya: | is there a way to replace libGL from mesa with say the nvidia one ? |
| [02:47:28] | biffhero: | cp |
| [02:47:30] | biffhero: | :-) |
| [02:47:38] | jya: | it segfault with all drivers but 260.x |
| [02:47:39] | sphery: | biffhero: the thread on the guy who made his own cable co: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/86764#86764 , and the re-hash, just over a year later: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/178420#178420 |
| [02:47:45] | jya: | but 260 has so many more issues |
| [02:48:05] | sphery: | LD_PRELOAD? |
| [02:48:15] | sphery: | (just guessing--I've never played with it) |
| [02:48:46] | biffhero: | thanks! |
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| [02:51:28] | handyman123: | Can anyone comment on the current state of hardware video decoding for ATI video cards (eg, support for UVD or UVD2)? |
| [02:51:43] | wagnerrp: | no go |
| [02:51:53] | handyman123: | I've been using VDPAU with my nvidia card, but my mythtv box just died :( |
| [02:52:05] | handyman123: | As in no support? |
| [02:52:38] | sphery: | as in still a dream |
| [02:52:46] | handyman123: | Sad |
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| [02:53:00] | wagnerrp: | as in the developer who spent a lot of time this past development cycle trying to add support for VAAPI thinks the AMD decode acceleration is still unstable and unreliable |
| [02:53:16] | wagnerrp: | as in the drivers themselves arent yet ready for use |
| [02:53:21] | sphery: | MythTV can't do anything until VAAPI gets its act in gear, and VAAPI is likely to have issues with the closedness of the XvBA implementation |
| [02:53:25] | handyman123: | Very sad then. I was hoping to build a Zecate system. |
| [02:53:27] | castlec1: | i have a dream, that one day i can look at my motherboard and know that the onboard hardware video acceleration work |
| [02:53:51] | handyman123: | heh |
| [02:54:06] | sphery: | handyman123: still can--but just stick an nvidia card in there, too |
| [02:54:10] | handyman123: | Looks like mplayer claims to support VAAPI, but I see no claims that its stable :) |
| [02:54:15] | Wicked: | hmm. i thought vaapi was useable? |
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| [02:54:29] | Wicked: | i could have sworn i saw it implemented in xbmc |
| [02:54:30] | sphery: | don't know if Fusion allows disabling the on-chip GPU completely, but if nothing else, I'm sure it will allow bypassing it |
| [02:54:33] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: usable? yes... reliable? no |
| [02:54:39] | Wicked: | ah |
| [02:54:39] | biffhero: | I have a dream, that the mythtv developers will have a recommended purchase list, and will get a kickback when we all buy from it. |
| [02:54:49] | Wicked: | i got VDPAU...so no complains from me :) |
| [02:54:56] | Wicked: | *complaints |
| [02:55:16] | handyman123: | Ya, the Zecate systems support a discrete GPU, but adding in an extra GPU kind of defeats the purpose of a nice small box with a built in UVD |
| [02:55:17] | kormoc: | biffhero, some of us do |
| [02:55:19] | sphery: | that's because Wicked doesn't have any MKV using B-pyramid |
| [02:55:51] | sphery: | handyman123: yeah, but until the vendor provides the support for special-needs computing... |
| [02:56:08] | sphery: | that's my one complaint about AMD |
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| [02:56:26] | castlec1: | i've been really happy with my ion system if that matters to you at all handyman |
| [02:56:29] | handyman123: | At least their drivers suck less than they used to :) |
| [02:56:37] | sphery: | yeah |
| [02:56:43] | kormoc: | biffhero, Decked out Mac Minis + HDPVRs + USB Drives + Airport Express == Win |
| [02:57:00] | handyman123: | Castlec1: Any recomentations on a nice small MB with an ION? |
| [02:57:13] | sphery: | and the FOSS drivers are quite usable, now, for all my needs except mythfrontend |
| [02:57:14] | castlec1: | zotac ion |
| [02:57:22] | castlec1: | works out of the box |
| [02:57:29] | castlec1: | with newer distros |
| [02:57:37] | kormoc: | *with content that is supported by VDPAU |
| [02:57:38] | castlec1: | that's what I've got |
| [02:57:39] | Wicked: | heh. no idea what b-pyramid's are...but i do know that the bluray content i do have looks superb and plays flawless :) |
| [02:57:44] | handyman123: | Oh, mini ITX, I like |
| [02:57:51] | sphery: | so I just have an NVIDIA GPU that I use for my mythfrontend box and all my other systems use the integrated ATI/AMD GPU |
| [02:58:12] | Wicked: | a quick google also suggests that b-pyramids are not as valued. |
| [02:58:14] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: hes implying that you arent downloading content with bad encoding options |
| [02:58:14] | handyman123: | Eek. Atom though |
| [02:58:26] | Wicked: | downloading? |
| [02:58:27] | sphery: | kormoc: well, of course, you wouldn't want to buy a system, like a Mac Mini, that could work even when VDPAU doesn't |
| [02:58:31] | sphery: | that's just crazy |
| [02:58:44] | castlec1: | with vdpau, it used 12% on tv playback |
| [02:58:53] | castlec1: | i don't have any bluray content to test it with |
| [02:58:55] | Wicked: | i would assume downloading bluray content is illegal |
| [02:59:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so the b-pyramids encoding is something that happens with the pirated stuff? |
| [02:59:06] | biffhero: | decked out mac minis? Imagine getting kickbacks from Apple. |
| [02:59:17] | kormoc: | biffhero, it's really not that badly priced |
| [02:59:27] | kormoc: | biffhero, by decked out, I mean +ram rally |
| [02:59:29] | kormoc: | *really |
| [02:59:30] | wagnerrp: | sphery: the b-pyramids encoding is what happens when you get someone who checks off every option that says 'this makes things compress better' |
| [02:59:35] | handyman123: | I have personal reasons that would make me ashamed to buy an Atom. :P |
| [02:59:39] | sphery: | agreed--you pay for small and quiet, and so the mac mini is quite reasonable for what you get |
| [02:59:42] | handyman123: | Thanks just me |
| [02:59:44] | sphery: | handyman123: +1 |
| [02:59:51] | castlec1: | lol |
| [02:59:51] | kormoc: | handyman123, mac mini++ ;) |
| [03:00:10] | sphery: | plus, as much as I've dissed Atoms in the past, if I ever acquired one--by any means--I'd never hear the end of it |
| [03:00:17] | Wicked: | yea doing very very quick reading...it seems b-pyramid stuff is undesirable.... |
| [03:00:18] | handyman123: | Sadly, the mini doesn't have a place to stick my existing tuner card. :) |
| [03:00:19] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i assume you downloaded the sample since you knew the resolution? |
| [03:00:20] | castlec1: | it has done well for me, i've got 250 in it total |
| [03:00:32] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, got the sample just to see what part it was |
| [03:00:44] | castlec1: | i wouldn't buy a normal atom but the ion with vdpau is nice |
| [03:00:49] | sphery: | you were right--showing the opening credits portion is pretty slick way of hiding what it is |
| [03:00:50] | castlec1: | low power with hardware accel |
| [03:00:55] | wagnerrp: | if you open it, the options are visible in plain text in the first couple KB of the file |
| [03:01:05] | sphery: | nice |
| [03:01:58] | sphery: | so it's theoretically possible it was some guy who ripped something himself... since most people are exactly that kind of "sounds good, so I'll check it" user |
| [03:02:02] | wagnerrp: | basically, 1280x544, 11 stored reference frames is the maximum you can use and still fit within the memory constraints dictated by L4.1 |
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| [03:02:08] | sphery: | I'll hope it was |
| [03:02:23] | wagnerrp: | but because of how x264 handles b-pyramid structures |
| [03:02:32] | wagnerrp: | even though you specify 11, you have to store more than that |
| [03:02:36] | wagnerrp: | you exceed your memory limits |
| [03:02:39] | sphery: | heh |
| [03:02:40] | wagnerrp: | create non-compliant video |
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| [03:02:52] | wagnerrp: | and break playback in hardware decoders |
| [03:03:11] | wagnerrp: | now VDPAU is more forgiving than most, it will display some artifact garbage on screen |
| [03:03:16] | sphery: | so it does sound a lot like an "optimized for illegal redistribution" set of options rather than "Let me just rip my own copy" |
| [03:03:27] | wagnerrp: | and according to markk's response, you can tell it to use more memory and fix the issue |
| [03:03:45] | sphery: | well, no worries... The US Immigrations and Customs Enforcement division of the Department of Homeland Security is on the case, now! |
| [03:03:53] | kormoc: | b-trees to b-pyramid. What's next? b-castle? b-skyscraper? |
| [03:03:56] | Wicked: | ice ice baby |
| [03:03:59] | wagnerrp: | on my PS3, it would just display some non-discript generic error |
| [03:04:13] | castlec1: | leave my brother out of this kormoc |
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| [03:04:32] | ** kormoc eyes castlec1 ** | |
| [03:04:42] | handyman123: | So anyone know if the integrated NVidia GeForce 9300 GPUs support VDPAU? |
| [03:04:48] | kormoc: | they do |
| [03:04:55] | wagnerrp: | handyman123: anything 8-series or newer supports it |
| [03:04:55] | kormoc: | it's what my 2009 mac mini has |
| [03:04:56] | handyman123: | woo hoo! |
| [03:05:04] | wagnerrp: | except for the original 8800 discrete cards |
| [03:05:11] | castlec1: | that's what i was telling you handman, the ions are great :) |
| [03:05:16] | handyman123: | Wasn't sure if it was in the integrated versions or not. Thanks. |
| [03:05:21] | wagnerrp: | those IONs are adequate |
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| [03:05:38] | wagnerrp: | the Atom is garbage, but the VDPAU makes it usable for most recorded content |
| [03:05:41] | sphery: | kormoc: I'm working on an implementation of b-arcologies |
| [03:05:50] | castlec1: | agreed wagnerrp |
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| [03:06:05] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i prefer l-archologies |
| [03:06:21] | castlec1: | i don't have any problems with mine. i'd be happy to test any content if needed |
| [03:06:26] | handyman123: | Ya, I was really hoping to get a Bobcat system, since it'll have ION like GPU with a decent CPU, but it sounds like the AMD driver writers have rained on that parade :P |
| [03:07:15] | kormoc: | Funny enough, I ran into mpeg-2 content that VDPAU couldn't decode. Old videos from a sony camera |
| [03:07:31] | castlec1: | i take that back, i do have an issue with the screen overlay but i don't care |
| [03:07:57] | wagnerrp: | castlec1: you cant auto-scale the UI for cropped content |
| [03:08:03] | sphery: | my local fox station's news commercials cause our player to completely re-init each time they end |
| [03:08:10] | wagnerrp: | you cant run anything in the jobqueue at any useful speed |
| [03:08:27] | sphery: | that with the ffmpeg decoder |
| [03:08:53] | castlec1: | not sure i undertstand wagnerrp |
| [03:09:02] | sphery: | castlec1: and you can't do Flash--so no Comedy Central, so you might as well just have a Google TV |
| [03:09:14] | kormoc: | castlec1, commflag, transcode, etc |
| [03:09:22] | castlec1: | that's all backend |
| [03:09:28] | sphery: | (since now Viacom is blocking Google TV, like NBC, Fox, and Disney) |
| [03:09:42] | ** kormoc recommends a beowulf cluster of ions ** | |
| [03:09:59] | sphery: | of course, if your cable co does comedy central, you can still do that |
| [03:10:07] | sphery: | kormoc: would that be a plasma? |
| [03:10:11] | castlec1: | i don't have cable, hence the mythtv |
| [03:10:18] | kormoc: | castlec1, UI rescaling/sampling would be FE |
| [03:10:34] | castlec1: | i don't scale anything though |
| [03:10:41] | castlec1: | it's all native |
| [03:10:43] | kormoc: | castlec1, auto-detecting letterboxing and resizing the playback window is a feature that you *can't* use |
| [03:10:53] | castlec1: | i see |
| [03:10:53] | kormoc: | you never have non-hd shows in your feeds? |
| [03:11:11] | castlec1: | i record off air |
| [03:11:21] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [03:11:40] | kormoc: | Atom works for some people sure, but there are a bunch of drawbacks that atom pushers never seem to mention |
| [03:12:10] | sphery: | or, put another way, there's much to be said for applying the right tool to the job |
| [03:12:11] | handyman123: | In general, will the MBs with the GeForce 9300 chipsets and an HDMI output actually support audio over HDMI? |
| [03:12:11] | castlec1: | i won't disagree with you there. it'll certainly die with anything that the gpu can't handle |
| [03:12:28] | castlec1: | yes, they support audio over hdmi |
| [03:12:48] | handyman123: | Thats good. I got burned with an older discrete card. |
| [03:12:50] | castlec1: | i run mine over hdmi |
| [03:12:53] | sphery: | VDPAU is fine when it works, but it's nice to have a real CPU that spends most of its time idling at almost-as-low-as-an-Atom wattage for when you need it |
| [03:13:10] | sphery: | Mac Mini idles at 10W... |
| [03:13:20] | sphery: | ION system idles at how many? |
| [03:13:25] | kormoc: | my mini uses 15 watts of power on average, that's with playback, commflagging, recordings, mysql, etc |
| [03:13:37] | sphery: | yeah |
| [03:13:39] | Beirdo: | I see we are at our weekly/daily round of Atom-bashing :) |
| [03:13:45] | sphery: | heh, yeah! |
| [03:13:51] | sphery: | die, Atom! die! |
| [03:13:52] | wagnerrp: | castlec1: even a normal desktop i5 system can idle in the low 20s |
| [03:13:53] | kormoc: | Beirdo, just wait till we smash one! |
| [03:13:55] | sphery: | (and that's not German) |
| [03:13:58] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:14:04] | Beirdo: | as long as it ain't mine |
| [03:14:12] | sphery: | ooh, atom smashing |
| [03:14:14] | sphery: | sounds fun |
| [03:14:17] | castlec1: | looks like 20 |
| [03:14:18] | castlec1: | :) |
| [03:14:43] | sphery: | yes, that's my main complaint with Atom |
| [03:14:55] | sphery: | it solves the power usage problem by limiting the upside |
| [03:15:15] | sphery: | i.e. you don't use more than 25W because it can't use more than 25W |
| [03:15:30] | kormoc: | I'd wager my mini would average a fair bit less if it wasn't a backend as well |
| [03:15:34] | sphery: | but then again, it can't do what that Mac Mini can do |
| [03:15:45] | kormoc: | the always spinning hard drive likely eats a fair chunk of that |
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| [03:15:52] | sphery: | and anyone who's serious about saving power will shut down their system when not in use |
| [03:16:05] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: id wager your mac mini uses considerably less energy commflagging than an Atom |
| [03:16:09] | castlec1: | i wanted the low power for noise more than anything |
| [03:16:13] | Shadow__X: | and is faster! |
| [03:16:22] | kormoc: | castlec1, my mini is *silent* |
| [03:16:25] | sphery: | so just how many hours of uptime would your system have in a day? And multiply that by the wattage saved, and is it really worth the artificial limit? |
| [03:16:40] | kormoc: | I should get power management going |
| [03:16:58] | kormoc: | it'd be nice to average something like 5 watts draw |
| [03:17:18] | sphery: | kormoc: which freq scaling governer are you using? |
| [03:17:20] | sphery: | ondemand? |
| [03:17:27] | sphery: | or performance? |
| [03:17:47] | handyman123: | Another reason why the stupid AMD drivers should get video decode working |
| [03:18:18] | handyman123: | the 1.6GHz Zecate is 18W for two cores + GPU |
| [03:18:33] | sphery: | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| [03:18:38] | handyman123: | would make a great mythtv box if the video decode worked |
| [03:18:38] | kormoc: | sphery, none actually |
| [03:18:44] | wagnerrp: | 1.6GHz is really too slow to be worth much |
| [03:18:54] | sphery: | handyman123: yeah, that's sweet... That's why I'll be using it for many of my other systems |
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| [03:19:17] | sphery: | handyman123: and it's Athlon II kind of power--versus Atom power |
| [03:19:18] | handyman123: | 1.6GHz won't do HD decode without the UVD for sure |
| [03:19:34] | handyman123: | Should deal with anything else a mythtv box would need just fine, though |
| [03:19:34] | wagnerrp: | its honestly maybe 50% faster than the high end Atom |
| [03:19:38] | sphery: | kormoc: wow... wonder how it would do with ondemand... |
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| [03:23:17] | kormoc: | sphery, I'm using CONFIG_INTEL_IDLE "Enable intel_idle, a cpuidle driver that includes knowledge of native Intel hardware idle features." |
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| [03:23:36] | kormoc: | sphery, I figure if it's not idle, might as well go at full bore |
| [03:23:46] | kormoc: | sphery, but aye, I should play with the scaling a bit |
| [03:23:54] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [03:24:13] | sphery: | in reality, I was very disappointed at the difference between idling at full CPU freq and idling at min CPU freq |
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| [03:24:28] | sphery: | was only on the order of 5W on my 65W TDP CPUs |
| [03:24:52] | sphery: | in other words, they do a good job with the idle instruction--regardless of freq |
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| [03:25:51] | kormoc: | I wonder if the ONDEMAND polling keeps the cpus from being idle |
| [03:26:25] | sphery: | I don't think so |
| [03:26:32] | sphery: | but I have no hard data to back it up |
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| [03:28:04] | clever: | kormoc: i dont know about the kernel ondemand, but the userspace powernowd would just poll the cpu usage (at a configurable interval) |
| [03:29:23] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [03:29:34] | kormoc: | I guess I need to setup mythwelcome to let the box suspend |
| [03:29:54] | kormoc: | or will it allow suspend when it's not in a menu? |
| [03:30:03] | kormoc: | erm, not playing |
| [03:30:03] | sphery: | the dinosaur ooze will appreciate it |
| [03:30:16] | jya: | sphery: is that an intel CPU ? |
| [03:30:18] | sphery: | imagine how much of it you'll help save |
| [03:30:25] | sphery: | jya: mine are all AMD |
| [03:30:53] | kormoc: | the amount will pale compared to how much I saved from not diving my car |
| [03:31:10] | jya: | sphery: that's weird then... the speed idling on intel is more designed to prevent overheating that it is to save power consumption.. But AMD do change the speed of the external bus as well as the voltage |
| [03:31:12] | sphery: | didn't do any comprehensive testing of power usage at idle at min/max freq, but very little difference on the ones I tested |
| [03:31:30] | kormoc: | 12 miles to the gallon, now driving a tank of gas per 6 months rather then per 2 weeks |
| [03:31:31] | jya: | so I would have expected more difference using AMDs |
| [03:31:39] | sphery: | but there was a /huge/ difference between fully-loaded at min and fully-loaded at max freq |
| [03:32:12] | jya: | that makes sense |
| [03:32:28] | clever: | from the sounds of it, CONFIG_INTEL_IDLE is to do with the idle loop |
| [03:32:42] | sphery: | yeah, and an even bigger difference between idling and fully loaded, too |
| [03:32:47] | clever: | whenever the kernel cant find something to schedule, it enters the idle loop which will power most of the cpu down |
| [03:33:01] | sphery: | jya: but, yeah, what you said makes sense--I just didn't see much difference |
| [03:33:16] | clever: | i was going over the source a while ago, and it seems like the idle loop is a hidden process#0 on the system |
| [03:33:34] | sphery: | then again, if kormoc saw a 5W drop from his 15W... that would be huge :) |
| [03:33:52] | wagnerrp: | outler is pushing his java wrapper around 'telnet' again, now on the xbmc forums |
| [03:34:20] | jya: | wagnerrp: got a link ? |
| [03:34:29] | sphery: | it's a java app that actually calls telnet through system calls? |
| [03:34:31] | wagnerrp: | i really do wonder what kind of trouble he can get into if mythbackend sends him a UTF character |
| [03:34:36] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [03:34:47] | sphery: | wow, talk about the wrong language for the job |
| [03:34:55] | jya: | wagnerrp: java can only deal with utf strings |
| [03:34:55] | wagnerrp: | hes using it for debugging talking to the backend over the non-telnet-complient backend proto |
| [03:35:16] | clever: | ..... |
| [03:35:17] | wagnerrp: | jya: yes, but its merely a java wrapper around the command line telnet client |
| [03:35:25] | wagnerrp: | telnet can only deal with 7-bit ASCII strings |
| [03:35:35] | clever: | sounds like he needs to just use the damn tcp lib :P |
| [03:35:55] | wagnerrp: | if the backend ever sends him a UTF character, telnet processes it as a control code |
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| [03:36:22] | jya: | I had a crash on an android application because of that, using JNI I returned a non-uft string (windows encoding) and make the javavm crash.. took me forever to find what was going on |
| [03:36:25] | wagnerrp: | ive told him thats a _bad_thing_ and he should do it |
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| [03:36:40] | wagnerrp: | he responded that it works fine and hes not going to bother changing it |
| [03:36:47] | wagnerrp: | s/should/shouldnt/ |
| [03:37:09] | jya: | so you're going to add UTF characters at random to force him to change ? :) |
| [03:37:25] | jya: | like someone did with the checking of the backend version.. that broke heaps of applications |
| [03:37:32] | wagnerrp: | im not going to, the backend protocol will already do that gladly |
| [03:37:32] | jya: | (like 2..) |
| [03:37:33] | sphery: | his listings grabber will likely add non-ASCII, chars |
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| [03:38:22] | wagnerrp: | ive had several recordings that contain UTF-8 characters that will immediately break things |
| [03:38:30] | wagnerrp: | ive had enough trouble with it in python |
| [03:38:46] | wagnerrp: | but at least python will just barf, rather than try to process it as a control code |
| [03:39:07] | clever: | ive got similar problems on my console programs |
| [03:39:28] | clever: | different programs print it out in different encodings, and half the time xterm spots printing all characters when it comes up |
| [03:39:36] | clever: | stops* |
| [03:40:04] | wagnerrp: | the amusing thing is he could just as soon replace 'telnet' with 'netcat' and it would work fine |
| [03:40:36] | clever: | replacing the whole heap with he tcp libs would cut a process out and reduce lag overall |
| [03:41:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, he *should* just be using the java TCP libs |
| [03:41:30] | wagnerrp: | or even better, resurrect MythTVJ |
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| [03:42:59] | jya: | emulating telnet with java is very simple... probably simpler than calling telnet and parsing what it returns |
| [03:43:17] | jya: | you just open a stream and read/write to it |
| [03:43:58] | clever: | technicaly, mythtv isnt speaking telnet at all so its not even needed |
| [03:44:03] | clever: | its just a bare tcp socket |
| [03:44:34] | wagnerrp: | right, telnet emulation would require you process those control codes |
| [03:44:51] | wagnerrp: | opening the stream and read/writing to it would not, but it would be the proper manner to talk to the backend |
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| [03:56:36] | Beirdo: | jeez, some people are total tards |
| [03:56:58] | castlec1: | anyone care to help an idiot with linkage problems? |
| [03:57:15] | Beirdo: | hehe, not if their email is mike@grounded.net |
| [03:57:34] | castlec1: | no, i'm the idiot requesting help :) |
| [03:57:55] | Beirdo: | OK, in that case... you're more likely to get help :) |
| [03:58:16] | castlec1: | /usr/bin/mythfrontend.real: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythhello.so: undefined symbol: _Z8pbarmainv |
| [03:58:52] | k_ross_: | Beirdo: are you by chance related to Ben Hurlburt? |
| [03:58:57] | Beirdo: | no clue |
| [03:59:22] | castlec1: | i included pbarmain.h in the cpp that is trying to exec pbarmain |
| [03:59:42] | Beirdo: | but did you include the code for pbarmain? |
| [03:59:57] | castlec1: | it's in the .pro, yeah |
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| [04:00:58] | Beirdo: | well, it's saying that it can't find the function, basically |
| [04:01:14] | castlec1: | defined the function as int pbarmain(); in pbarmain.h |
| [04:01:28] | Beirdo: | and what in the .cpp? |
| [04:01:35] | Beirdo: | that implements it. |
| [04:01:42] | castlec1: | int pbarmain () { |
| [04:02:10] | Beirdo: | K. Sounds like it's not including it somehow in the final .so |
| [04:02:19] | castlec1: | that was my guess |
| [04:02:24] | castlec1: | what should i check? |
| [04:02:40] | Beirdo: | maybe make clean, re-run qmake and try again? |
| [04:03:24] | castlec1: | is qmake-qt4 necessary over just qmake? |
| [04:05:59] | Beirdo: | you should be using the qmake from QT4 rather than QT3, for sure |
| [04:06:19] | castlec1: | so just qmake is fine then. i thought so but wanted to make sure |
| [04:06:40] | castlec1: | i'm getting the same error |
| [04:07:20] | Beirdo: | and you saw it compile both files, and link em together? |
| [04:08:24] | castlec1: | g++ -Wl,-O1 -shared -o libmythhello.so main.o mythhello.o pbarmain.o player.o settings.o terminal.o ui_act.o ui.o ui_readline.o moc_mythhello.o -L/usr/lib -L/usr/local/lib -lpthread -lQtSql -lQtXml -lQtGui -lQtNetwork -lQtCore |
| [04:08:48] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [04:08:50] | castlec1: | i'd say that's a yes |
| [04:09:12] | Beirdo: | nm -a pbarmain.o (probably wanna pastebin the output) |
| [04:09:25] | castlec1: | k |
| [04:10:33] | castlec1: | i'm gonna guess i've got something fundamentally wrong here |
| [04:11:04] | castlec1: | http://pastebin.com/zXrsHrwd |
| [04:12:41] | Beirdo: | ooooh |
| [04:12:51] | Beirdo: | pbarmain.c |
| [04:12:58] | Beirdo: | is it C or C++? |
| [04:13:50] | Beirdo: | and pbarmain() is being called from C++, that much I know |
| [04:14:07] | castlec1: | it's a shit hybrid of both that i shouldn't have done |
| [04:14:13] | Beirdo: | but is it actually a C file where it's implemented? |
| [04:14:20] | castlec1: | yes |
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| [04:14:22] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [04:14:26] | Beirdo: | in the header... |
| [04:14:42] | Beirdo: | around the prototype for anything that is C (not C++) |
| [04:14:55] | Beirdo: | #ifdef __cplusplus |
| [04:15:00] | Beirdo: | extern "C" { |
| [04:15:04] | Beirdo: | #endif |
| [04:15:13] | Beirdo: | and then after the prototype |
| [04:15:22] | Beirdo: | #ifdef __cplusplus |
| [04:15:23] | Beirdo: | } |
| [04:15:25] | Beirdo: | #endif |
| [04:15:55] | Beirdo: | the problem is that the C++ code thinks it's calling a C++ function, and you have to tell it it's actually C |
| [04:16:35] | castlec1: | got it. the extern keyword actually came to my head before you got out your first #ifdef |
| [04:16:43] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [04:16:45] | castlec1: | not that i would remember how to use it :) |
| [04:17:03] | Beirdo: | done it enough times to be caught out on it before |
| [04:17:04] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:17:49] | castlec1: | i only ever used c/c |
| [04:17:51] | [R]: | wagnerrp: you there? |
| [04:17:54] | castlec1: | ++ in college |
| [04:18:00] | castlec1: | professionally a java programmer |
| [04:18:08] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [04:18:14] | Beirdo: | ewww, Java :) |
| [04:18:25] | castlec1: | pays the bills |
| [04:18:55] | Beirdo: | heh, fair enough |
| [04:19:03] | [R]: | wagnerrp: watched stargate? |
| [04:19:17] | castlec1: | do i need to do that on all the c code or just the entry point? |
| [04:19:25] | wagnerrp: | tonight? no |
| [04:19:29] | wagnerrp: | i dont get scifi anymore |
| [04:19:35] | Beirdo: | just anything that is being called from the C++ side |
| [04:19:37] | [R]: | what happened? |
| [04:19:48] | castlec1: | so once i get into the C, I'm clear |
| [04:19:52] | wagnerrp: | i get a blue screen with a blinking cursor |
| [04:19:58] | [R]: | weird |
| [04:20:01] | Beirdo: | it's there to tell the C++ compiler to use C munging rules |
| [04:20:06] | wagnerrp: | formerly i got a screen telling me i needed to buy a cable box |
| [04:20:11] | wagnerrp: | formerly i got scifi |
| [04:20:27] | Beirdo: | yeah, inside the C files, it's all just C, and the preprocessor ignores the extern |
| [04:20:34] | [R]: | oh, it went digital? |
| [04:20:47] | wagnerrp: | no, its still an analog channel |
| [04:20:58] | wagnerrp: | the cableco is just no longer broadcasting scifi over it |
| [04:21:08] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:21:17] | wagnerrp: | weve got DTAs now, and privacy mode is active |
| [04:21:41] | [R]: | sounds lame |
| [04:22:05] | wagnerrp: | ive not seen this week or last |
| [04:22:12] | wagnerrp: | ill pick them up in reruns eventually |
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| [04:23:51] | castlec1: | getting another symbol lookup error |
| [04:23:55] | castlec1: | guess i'll have to do the same |
| [04:24:09] | castlec1: | gotsta go to bed. have a good one all. thanks for the help :) |
| [04:26:05] | Beirdo: | no prob |
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| [04:36:50] | mtrax: | hi guys, I'm looking for some strategy to solve some of the audio buffering issues I'm getting from time to time |
| [04:37:22] | mtrax: | eg : ALSA, Error: WriteAudio: buffer underrun |
| [04:37:45] | mtrax: | how do I figure out where to start? |
| [04:39:58] | jya: | mtrax: I responded to your thread on whirlpool |
| [04:40:57] | wagnerrp: | jya: beat you to it on the mailing list |
| [04:41:27] | jya: | damn... we both have too much time on our hand :) |
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| [04:41:54] | wagnerrp: | waiting for code to compile |
| [04:42:00] | wagnerrp: | (updating my frontends) |
| [04:42:47] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, And I beat you to it ;) |
| [04:43:18] | iamlindoro: | oh, poop... gmail seems to have sent it only to him |
| [04:43:25] | wagnerrp: | hehehe |
| [04:43:33] | iamlindoro: | Wonder why it did that |
| [04:43:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, hes one of those with the bad Reply-To field |
| [04:44:58] | mtrax: | ok |
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| [04:46:12] | k_ross_: | OMG, mike@grounded finally posts a log file for his playback problems, but all he did was start the frontend and then exit |
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| [04:47:40] | mtrax: | if its resource issues then I guess I need to some how monitor CPU during playback so I can scroll back in time |
| [04:47:41] | jya: | i blacklisted him in gmail ... |
| [04:47:51] | jya: | just run top on the side |
| [04:48:06] | mtrax: | k |
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| [04:54:50] | ** wagnerrp wonders what kind of parents would name their daughter Ronald ** | |
| [04:54:59] | [R]: | haha |
| [04:57:35] | kormoc: | Her father was named Sue |
| [04:58:19] | biffhero: | you could cash in on that. |
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| [04:59:47] | wagnerrp: | woo! 'portage will reload and start over'... things always tend to work better after that |
| [05:02:23] | kormoc: | biffhero, Johnny Cash already has |
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| [05:05:41] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: on 'A Girl Named Ronald'? |
| [05:05:53] | kormoc: | nah, a boy named sue |
| [05:06:00] | ** wagnerrp knows ** | |
| [05:08:21] | [R]: | mf'in mid season finale |
| [05:08:25] | [R]: | i REALLY hate stargate |
| [05:10:36] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [05:10:47] | kormoc: | I can't exit out of recordings anymore |
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| [05:12:17] | biffhero: | shutodwn -r now |
| [05:12:48] | kormoc: | -bash: shutodwn: command not found |
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| [05:24:01] | biffhero: | that was my safety for you. |
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| [05:25:33] | dingus: | g'day guys im haveing some issues with mythtv that i really need some assistance resolveing |
| [05:26:19] | dingus: | specificly the parental control, NR films dont fall under parental contorl, i believe the problem with this may be that parental control is only auto updated when the metadata is (mythvideo plugin) |
| [05:29:02] | Beirdo: | sorry, cant help there |
| [05:29:13] | Beirdo: | I don't do parental controls :) |
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| [05:31:33] | doc_dingus: | and i found my self disconnected before seeing a reply :( |
| [05:31:42] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:31:56] | Beirdo: | no real replies yet anyways |
| [05:32:28] | iamlindoro: | doc_dingus, That's correct, that's how it works |
| [05:32:47] | iamlindoro: | NR is a default string, automatic parental adjustment is only applied when metadata is grabbed |
| [05:33:06] | iamlindoro: | ie, NR isn't a rating, it's just a placeholder saying that there's no non-default rating for that item |
| [05:33:57] | doc_dingus: | ok well its somthing i need to resolve, mainly because movies (eg 30 days of night) dont return a rateing from the grabber and i have a 4 year old, would i be better editing myth source, or bulk upateing the database |
| [05:34:21] | iamlindoro: | a) Please update the the metadata source so that everyone can benefit |
| [05:34:34] | doc_dingus: | good call |
| [05:34:39] | iamlindoro: | b) you don't need to edit the source or touch the db, just use the edit metadata screen and set the parental level to whatever you want |
| [05:34:51] | iamlindoro: | highlight the item, press e |
| [05:35:00] | doc_dingus: | not evan somthing hat crossed my mind (how bad is that) can u remind me what is the default meta data source again? |
| [05:35:08] | iamlindoro: | themoviedb.org |
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| [05:36:43] | iamlindoro: | On the off chance that your theme doesn't have the parental level widget in edit metadata, Arclight has all of the widgets in that screen |
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| [05:37:50] | doc_dingus: | sweet that one thing i considered but other things there are that i also have tv series that im not getting meta data for, which im guessing is a different source, where do i look for the tv series meta data? |
| [05:38:29] | iamlindoro: | thetvdb.com |
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| [05:40:10] | doc_dingus: | ok sorry to be a bother there are two other things i need to look at 1) for some reasion i randomly loss sound (probably a fedora issue) ctrl alt F4 to restart gui fixes it, 2) is dvd ripping supported in anyway for .24 if not what code would need to be edited to obtain support? |
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| [05:40:58] | [R]: | 1) probalby pulseaudi osucking 2) no |
| [05:41:07] | [R]: | and nothing, becuase its not supported |
| [05:41:12] | iamlindoro: | Couldn't tell you about sound, sounds like you potentially have a pulseaudio issue |
| [05:41:27] | iamlindoro: | and as [R] says, no code to edit, you'd need to write a MythUI DVD ripping plugin from scratch |
| [05:41:45] | iamlindoro: | there's no simple switch to bring it back, it's 100% gone |
| [05:42:48] | doc_dingus: | well i was wondering cause the wiki artical (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVD_Ripping) its only converting over to storage groups |
| [05:43:06] | iamlindoro: | I'm the one who killed it, I'm the definitive source ;) |
| [05:43:21] | [R]: | iamlindoro: MURDERER! |
| [05:43:23] | iamlindoro: | it also cites "outstanding issues" |
| [05:43:38] | wagnerrp: | silly iamlindoro, shawn didnt encode that |
| [05:43:41] | iamlindoro: | The outstanding issues were that it sucked, it was full of suck, and the general suckitude |
| [05:44:13] | iamlindoro: | and that it wouldn't even compile any more, and that I had no interest in maintaining it, and that it just wrapped a bunch of command line utilities in an ugly way anyway |
| [05:44:50] | iamlindoro: | in short, unless someone turns up with *one* library that is not a wrapper for a command line app that handles rip + transcode, there's virtually no chance of DVD ripping coming back |
| [05:45:07] | ** iamlindoro accepts a 50% pay cut ** | |
| [05:46:06] | iamlindoro: | [R], It was a mercy killing |
| [05:46:17] | [R]: | pretty sure those are still illegal :) |
| [05:46:21] | doc_dingus: | ok that shot me in the foot lol |
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| [05:47:02] | iamlindoro: | [R], in the words of many, many visitors to this channel, "It depends on where you live!!" |
| [05:47:09] | [R]: | haha |
| [05:47:12] | [R]: | two shea |
| [05:47:36] | doc_dingus: | yes here in australia, we are allowed to rip the video, but not duplicate the dvd |
| [05:47:57] | wagnerrp: | id like to see something basic exist in mythtv... something to pull an unencrypted ISO or VOB |
| [05:48:02] | iamlindoro: | doc_dingus, I was referring to mercy killings |
| [05:48:03] | wagnerrp: | but im not too concerned about it |
| [05:48:56] | Gibby: | what is the min SQ for HD channel on the HDHR? |
| [05:49:11] | [R]: | sq? |
| [05:49:20] | iamlindoro: | There is no hard and fast minimum |
| [05:49:30] | iamlindoro: | As close to, if not at, 0 bit error |
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| [05:50:09] | Gibby: | signal quality |
| [05:50:24] | iamlindoro: | See above |
| [05:50:30] | iamlindoro: | you need to be at or near 0 bit error |
| [05:50:41] | [R]: | wagnerrp: my harmony is coming on friday. i'm so excited! |
| [05:50:43] | ** Gibby doesn't understand the 0 bit error ** | |
| [05:51:12] | iamlindoro: | if you are looking at signal quality, then it should include an indication of your bit error |
| [05:51:18] | iamlindoro: | any tool that measures one will measure the other |
| [05:51:30] | [R]: | BER... as they refer to it in 'the industry' |
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| [05:54:28] | [R]: | iamlindoro: do i have a setting wrong somewhere? terra isn't showing me a 12hour clock but other themes do |
| [05:54:41] | Gibby: | All I see is signal strength, signal quality, symbol quality, network rate, and physical channel |
| [05:54:44] | iamlindoro: | terra hardcodes the cloce setting |
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| [05:54:57] | ** [R] gets all watery in the eye ** | |
| [05:55:20] | [R]: | i should make rbox's Ultimate Theme and take all the good from every theme |
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| [05:55:36] | ** [R] gives up and goes back to blue abstract ** | |
| [05:55:37] | wagnerrp: | i pity the fool who uses 12hr clocks |
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| [05:56:04] | [R]: | wagnerrp: but its so much easier |
| [05:56:15] | wagnerrp: | how so? |
| [05:56:26] | [R]: | you dont have to add or subtract anything |
| [05:56:39] | wagnerrp: | youre right, i dont |
| [05:56:57] | wagnerrp: | i implicitly know how to read a clock |
| [05:56:59] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:57:14] | [R]: | well i'm not as talented as you i guess |
| [05:57:30] | wagnerrp: | its got nothing to do with talent, you just have to use it regularly |
| [05:57:36] | wagnerrp: | its like becoming fluent in a language |
| [05:57:45] | wagnerrp: | or being able to use both metric or imperial |
| [05:57:58] | [R]: | i suck at both of those too |
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| [06:02:05] | dingus: | sorry for constiantly dropping in and out, bloody telstra nextG in a storm |
| [06:03:04] | dingus: | can i ask, if i was to plug a simply dvd ripper into mythtv, which would be better, as a seperate plugin, or intergrated into myth video? |
| [06:03:07] | dingus: | can i ask, if i was to plug a simply dvd ripper into mythtv, which would be better, as a seperate plugin, or intergrated into myth video? |
| [06:03:07] | dingus: | can i ask, if i was to plug a simply dvd ripper into mythtv, which would be better, as a seperate plugin, or intergrated into myth video? |
| [06:03:07] | dingus: | can i ask, if i was to plug a simply dvd ripper into mythtv, which would be better, as a seperate plugin, or intergrated into myth video? |
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| [06:03:25] | [R]: | simply? |
| [06:03:26] | [R]: | lol |
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| [06:04:51] | Beirdo: | ummm |
| [06:05:47] | wagnerrp: | id really like to get the jobqueue rework in before anyone tries for a new dvd ripper |
| [06:06:49] | [R]: | wagnerrp: 11% of people who look at the amazon page for the harmony one buy the harmony 300 |
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| [06:15:04] | biffhero: | love my harmony. |
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| [06:41:56] | boshhead: | Why are the "frontends" in a frontend/backend system seemingly so heavy. It seems to me that theoretically, there's only two jobs for it to perform: 1) decompress the video/audio signal coming in via the network, and output it via HDMI to the television, and 2) receive an IR signal from a remote, and send that to the backend. --- But it seems the typical way to build a frontend/backend system is to spend $250 on a ... |
| [06:42:02] | boshhead: | ... general purpose computer for a frontend, or hack up a $100 appletv... either way you're still running mythtv on the frontend itself — why do you have to do that? |
| [06:42:12] | boshhead: | Sorry for the length of my ignorant question :) |
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| [06:42:48] | wagnerrp: | youre asking why you have to run mythfrontend on each frontend? |
| [06:43:14] | boshhead: | wagnerrp: yes. i'm asking why there is any software running on the frontend which doesn't simply decompress the audio/video signal coming in via the network and send it out via HDMI |
| [06:43:15] | wagnerrp: | why would the frontend send IR signals to the backend? |
| [06:43:25] | boshhead: | wagnerrp: so that you can select things from a menu |
| [06:43:34] | wagnerrp: | the frontend IS the menu |
| [06:43:40] | wagnerrp: | the backend merely provides access to the content |
| [06:43:45] | wagnerrp: | (and records the content) |
| [06:43:46] | boshhead: | wagnerrp: i understand that's the way it is conventionally implemented. i'm asking why it is done that way. |
| [06:44:00] | wagnerrp: | because... thats the sane way to do it? |
| [06:44:14] | boshhead: | wagnerrp: what would be the problem doing it the way i propose? |
| [06:44:39] | wagnerrp: | X11 doesnt work that way |
| [06:45:04] | wagnerrp: | video decoding is extremely intensive |
| [06:45:23] | wagnerrp: | so your frontend is going to have to be fairly beefy |
| [06:45:32] | wagnerrp: | so you may as well run the full UI on the frontend |
| [06:45:42] | boshhead: | yeah, i just dont get why it needs to be more beefy than what is required for decoding 1080p video |
| [06:45:56] | wagnerrp: | because decoding 1080p video takes a /lot/ of power |
| [06:46:15] | wagnerrp: | far more than it takes to run the UI |
| [06:46:44] | wagnerrp: | youre asking why they dont offload the easy stuff to the backend |
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| [06:47:22] | boshhead: | hmm... a $20 video card can decode 1080p video. i'm just speculating, but i'd think a hardware company could make a device which just what i suggested for a lot less than having a general purpose computer as the frontend. |
| [06:48:09] | wagnerrp: | all hardware video decoders in linux require direct hardware access |
| [06:48:19] | wagnerrp: | meaning there must be a program running on the frontend |
| [06:49:20] | [R]: | boshhead: i have a $50 dnla device |
| [06:49:43] | boshhead: | dnla? |
| [06:49:48] | [R]: | upnp |
| [06:49:53] | wagnerrp: | digital network livingroom alliance |
| [06:50:04] | [R]: | wagnerrp: is that really what it stands for? |
| [06:50:10] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [06:50:13] | [R]: | rofl |
| [06:50:20] | boshhead: | digital living network alliance, dlna |
| [06:50:30] | boshhead: | that's what the google machine says |
| [06:50:44] | boshhead: | [R]: and what does that device do for you? |
| [06:51:00] | [R]: | boshhead: talks upnp to the backend and streams files |
| [06:51:21] | wagnerrp: | the problem is the UPNP clients generally have crappy UIs |
| [06:51:29] | [R]: | very crappy |
| [06:51:32] | wagnerrp: | and they are not extensible like the frontend |
| [06:51:33] | [R]: | it makes me want to cry everytime i use it |
| [06:51:34] | boshhead: | [R]: why cant it "stream" the mythtv frontend interface itself? |
| [06:51:42] | boshhead: | that's what i want :P |
| [06:51:56] | [R]: | uh... nothing does that |
| [06:52:00] | [R]: | whats the point |
| [06:52:12] | boshhead: | the point is to have a $50 device that can act as a mythtv frontend |
| [06:52:16] | wagnerrp: | you are looking for a thin X11 client with an indirect vidoe decoder |
| [06:52:20] | wagnerrp: | no one makes such a thing |
| [06:52:29] | wagnerrp: | at least nothing available to consumers |
| [06:53:07] | [R]: | it is dlna... blah |
| [06:53:11] | [R]: | stupid acronyms |
| [06:53:11] | wagnerrp: | and thin clients are generally specialty items and are costly due to low volume |
| [06:53:11] | boshhead: | wagnerrp: but wouldn't that be the ideal setup, in a frontend/backend system? Imagine you have 3–4 TVs in a household. You want the frontend to be as cheap as possible, because that cost gets multiplied. If it was $50... that would be awesome. |
| [06:53:46] | wagnerrp: | it would be nice, its just not available |
| [06:53:54] | boshhead: | alright |
| [06:53:58] | wagnerrp: | no one makes one, since there would be very little market for one |
| [06:54:01] | [R]: | boshhead: you just need a company to make a dlna device whose interface odens't suck |
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| [06:54:23] | boshhead: | you'd think it would be possible to hack up a dlna device for this purpose |
| [06:54:36] | [R]: | most are pretty proprietary |
| [06:54:43] | [R]: | mine has 1 monolithic binary |
| [06:54:46] | [R]: | that does evertyhing |
| [06:54:52] | boshhead: | why should the dlna device care whether it is playing a video, or getting a "video" which is actually the mythtv interface :P |
| [06:54:58] | [R]: | runs on the linux kernel though :) |
| [06:55:01] | boshhead: | hmm |
| [06:55:46] | [R]: | boshhead: it shoudln't... so when you write the sfotware to do that, let me know |
| [06:55:46] | wagnerrp: | so you are looking for something which behaves as an X11 server, and have the client push playback commands to the remote device |
| [06:56:01] | boshhead: | wagnerrp: yeah that sounds about right |
| [06:56:02] | wagnerrp: | again, it would be a very custom solution |
| [06:56:18] | wagnerrp: | it would only work with a specially designed application |
| [06:57:02] | wagnerrp: | low volume means high cost |
| [06:57:11] | boshhead: | wagnerrp: the idea is that the mythtv frontend would actually run on the backend. and it displays the frontend by sending the video signal over the network, which gets decompressed by the settop box, and output via HDMI to the tv.. |
| [06:57:55] | wagnerrp: | you could probably rig up a beagleboard for such a purpose |
| [06:58:00] | [R]: | so you'd need a realtime mpeg encoder |
| [06:58:04] | wagnerrp: | you would actually run two applications |
| [06:58:23] | wagnerrp: | a frontend on the backend, displaying on the beagleboard X11 server through opengl es |
| [06:58:39] | wagnerrp: | and a frontend running on the beagleboard itself, as a video player for the onboard DSP |
| [06:59:17] | wagnerrp: | the remote frontend would send playback commands to the local player, which would pull the video from the backend, decode it, and display it |
| [06:59:26] | wagnerrp: | but again, that would be a very special purpose application |
| [06:59:37] | wagnerrp: | designed to only be used against special hardware that doesnt really exist |
| [06:59:44] | boshhead: | hmm, the price on that says $125, which is more expensive than an appletv... and you can run XBMC (and mythtv?) on an appletv, and hack it to be capable of 1080p, so.. yeah |
| [06:59:54] | boshhead: | i guess it's just a demand problem like you say. |
| [06:59:59] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to run XBMC or MythTV on an appletv |
| [07:00:04] | wagnerrp: | the appletv is a piece of junk |
| [07:00:13] | boshhead: | :( |
| [07:00:40] | [R]: | no one said mythtv was inexpensive |
| [07:00:57] | [R]: | wagnerrp: oh, your find_orphans worked great btw |
| [07:01:39] | wagnerrp: | i never updated that did i... |
| [07:02:34] | [R]: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py |
| [07:02:36] | [R]: | has your name on it |
| [07:02:50] | boshhead: | the WD Live Plus thing http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136593 runs linux... i found a blog post of someone who was able to root it so they could install custom software on it |
| [07:03:03] | wagnerrp: | i know |
| [07:03:04] | boshhead: | i wonder if that'd be capable of doing what i want |
| [07:03:34] | boshhead: | to do what you suggested doing with the beagleboard |
| [07:03:46] | [R]: | boshhead: if its anythign like my patriotboxoffice, you can't do anyting graphical on it |
| [07:03:47] | wagnerrp: | boshhead: i doubt it has enough memory to run an X11 server at those resolutions |
| [07:03:54] | wagnerrp: | assuming you can even find drivers to use it |
| [07:04:18] | wagnerrp: | just because 'it runs linux' doesnt mean you can do whatever you want with it |
| [07:04:33] | boshhead: | hmm alright |
| [07:04:37] | boshhead: | you've shattered my dreams |
| [07:04:48] | [R]: | i got python and mysql installed on my pbo |
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| [07:09:57] | rileyp: | http://pastebin.ca/2007480 my frontend log..... live tv not working and |
| [07:11:07] | [R]: | cardtype DUMMY |
| [07:11:10] | [R]: | that doesn't look good |
| [07:11:12] | [R]: | what does the backend say |
| [07:12:27] | rileyp: | http://pastebin.ca/2007485 |
| [07:12:40] | rileyp: | back end |
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| [07:13:04] | rileyp: | yeah why does it say dummy? |
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| [07:13:32] | [R]: | 2010-12–01 18:06:23.447 LoadFromScheduler(): Error, called from backend. |
| [07:13:34] | [R]: | tahts not good either |
| [07:13:39] | [R]: | looks like you horribvly misconfigured something |
| [07:14:55] | rileyp: | live tv on the backends front end works and on my asrock front end as well |
| [07:15:52] | rileyp: | although it breaks up occasionally where it never used to unless i pause it for about 20 seconds or more |
| [07:15:52] | [R]: | weird |
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| [07:16:33] | rileyp: | and then it does not pixelate. |
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| [07:19:08] | rileyp: | well i was told yesterday to upgrade to 0.24 and i did though it was much fun and problem is still there .... |
| [07:19:37] | rileyp: | i have run mysqlcheck and my sql repair |
| [07:19:43] | [R]: | whats cpu usage like |
| [07:19:48] | [R]: | your db was corrupt? |
| [07:19:54] | rileyp: | no |
| [07:20:00] | [R]: | than why did you repair it? |
| [07:20:13] | rileyp: | well initially it would not upgrade |
| [07:20:37] | [R]: | sounds like your whole setup is screwed |
| [07:21:09] | rileyp: | all new 0.24 on everything |
| [07:21:39] | [R]: | well you misconfigured something |
| [07:21:47] | [R]: | cuz you shoul'ndt be getting errors liek that |
| [07:23:30] | rileyp: | ill run top BE whilst starting live tv on the FE |
| [07:23:40] | [R]: | cpu on the frontend |
| [07:23:42] | [R]: | not on the be |
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| [07:32:37] | rileyp: | mythlink runs on the backend when a recording strarts |
| [07:33:14] | [R]: | and? |
| [07:33:43] | rileyp: | nothing i just noticed it in top |
| [07:34:00] | rileyp: | i can disable it |
| [07:34:10] | rileyp: | as i no longer need the symlinks |
| [07:34:43] | wagnerrp: | it probably doesnt like the filename length |
| [07:35:09] | wagnerrp: | 203... no, thats not too long |
| [07:35:24] | wagnerrp: | it should auto-increment between those last two periods, to prevent a duplicate file |
| [07:35:27] | wagnerrp: | not sure why its not |
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| [07:35:45] | wagnerrp: | sphery: ^^^ check out that pastebin, mythlink failing |
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| [07:40:00] | rileyp: | pu(s): 2.3%us, 1.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 96.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| [07:40:16] | rileyp: | cpu usage is low on the fe |
| [07:40:34] | rileyp: | peaks at around 20% |
| [07:53:52] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v MythLogBot | |
| [07:53:52] | Beirdo: | Yeeehaw |
| [07:53:52] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [07:53:53] | Beirdo: | bot transplanted |
| [07:54:13] | wagnerrp: | bot now lives on the mythtv server? |
| [07:54:18] | wagnerrp: | logs and all? |
| [07:54:41] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [07:54:51] | Beirdo: | maybe missing a couple minutes |
| [07:55:16] | Beirdo: | and are now in GMT :) |
| [07:56:13] | Beirdo: | searching will be broken until I reindex for clucene (again) |
| [07:56:25] | Beirdo: | but that takes an hour with the bot down |
| [07:56:29] | Beirdo: | it can wait |
| [07:56:48] | Beirdo: | now to put in simple redirects for the old urls |
| [07:56:52] | Beirdo: | !notify |
| [07:57:01] | Beirdo: | !list |
| [07:57:04] | Beirdo: | !notice |
| [07:57:04] | MythLogBot: | This channel (#mythtv-users) is logged — http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [07:57:06] | wagnerrp: | no one knows how searching works anyway |
| [07:57:07] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [07:57:20] | Beirdo: | true |
| [07:58:00] | Beirdo: | moving a 700MB database is always fun |
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| [08:02:02] | Beirdo: | !dig ipv6.google.com aaaa |
| [08:02:02] | MythLogBot: | ipv6.google.com AAAA: 2001:4860:800B::69 |
| [08:02:06] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:02:36] | clever: | nice :) |
| [08:04:19] | Beirdo: | !url logs |
| [08:04:19] | MythLogBot: | logs: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1 |
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| [08:04:28] | Beirdo: | OK, got it fixed there too |
| [08:04:39] | Beirdo: | !url log |
| [08:04:39] | MythLogBot: | log: try !url logs... It's log, it's log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! |
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| [08:46:11] | Beirdo: | it didn't seem to like me reindexing clucene while it was runing ;) |
| [08:47:12] | Beirdo: | it might crap again on the hour, the reindex/import is still running |
| [08:47:49] | Beirdo: | with 3.8M rows at about 1000 rows/s. You do the math |
| [08:48:01] | ** [R] carries the 1 ** | |
| [08:48:08] | [R]: | that's a lot! |
| [08:48:09] | [R]: | ahha |
| [08:48:23] | wagnerrp: | slightly better than an hour |
| [08:48:28] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [08:48:40] | Beirdo: | and I started it just 1min past the hour |
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| [08:53:26] | Beirdo: | I didn't notice it gack at first :) |
| [08:53:38] | Beirdo: | then I was thinking... where the heck did it go? |
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| [09:17:37] | Beirdo: | screw it. clucene was kinda... wedged, it seems |
| [09:17:42] | Beirdo: | blew it away, import it later |
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| [09:22:42] | Beirdo: | now I wait for :30 to make sure it is now happy |
| [09:24:10] | vezza: | Hi! I have an Hauppauge HVR-4000 card and I'm not able to get DVB-T to work with Mythtv on a Fedora 14 x86_64 system (timeout while channel scanning), any idea |
| [09:24:23] | vezza: | Hi! I have an Hauppauge HVR-4000 card and I'm not able to get DVB-T to work with Mythtv on a Fedora 14 x86_64 system (timeout while channel scanning), any idea? |
| [09:24:49] | wagnerrp: | increase the timeouts |
| [09:26:03] | vezza: | I set Ignore signal timeout but it doesn't work... |
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| [09:29:50] | Beirdo: | I really should go to sleep |
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| [09:35:24] | Beirdo: | note to self... do NOT try importing to clucene while the bot is running. Very bad idea. |
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| [09:57:30] | raynop: | Hi, I am a noob and not really finding my answers, is the Antec Multimedia Station Premier Deluxe IR Receiver and Remote compatible with mythtv and has mythtv builtin drivers for it? |
| [09:58:13] | wagnerrp: | no, mythtv supports lirc and x11 |
| [09:58:29] | wagnerrp: | if the receiver shows up as a keyboard, mythtv can use it |
| [09:58:39] | wagnerrp: | if the receiver is supported through lirc, mythtv can use it |
| [09:58:58] | raynop: | I have seen a forum where I can install it manually but are unsure if the above mentioned model will work |
| [09:58:59] | raynop: | thanx |
| [09:59:21] | raynop: | in the forum: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1103474 i see the driver is for linc |
| [09:59:27] | raynop: | *lirc |
| [09:59:36] | raynop: | so I can use it then? :) |
| [10:00:06] | wagnerrp: | it would seem so |
| [10:00:25] | raynop: | thank you |
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| [10:22:53] | rileyp: | raynop first time user of lirc? mythbuntu has package that installs everything for you and you selct your remote from a drop down list |
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| [10:31:19] | justinh1: | meh. forums. specifically ubuntu forums. MEH |
| [10:32:22] | justinh1: | if anybody ever describes a 'community' as 'awesome' they're referring to ubuntu. Where I think 'awesome' means they'll hug you & pat you on the head no matter how much of a clueless dolt you are. Which is just WRONG IMHO |
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| [10:34:46] | wagnerrp: | but their logo, its about diversity and togetherness |
| [10:35:38] | justinh1: | gets me riled almost as much as when I see those fish logos on the back of people's cars |
| [10:36:02] | justinh1: | oops. I'm supposed to be tolerant. I forgot |
| [10:36:43] | wagnerrp: | with or without the legs? |
| [10:37:30] | justinh1: | without |
| [10:39:46] | wagnerrp: | why is it so hard to get a dark window background in windows? |
| [10:40:11] | ** justinh1 goes on a rampage deleting the operator's apps from his phone ** | |
| [10:40:13] | wagnerrp: | i cant believe im the only person who prefers reading light on dark, instead of dark on light |
| [10:40:41] | justinh1: | you're not |
| [10:41:08] | justinh1: | putty is light on dark by default. ironic that most linux terms i've seen have been dark on light |
| [10:41:18] | wagnerrp: | ever since XP, windows has had this nice theming engine |
| [10:41:40] | wagnerrp: | but theyve got it locked down such that you can only use signed themes downloaded through their site |
| [10:41:45] | wagnerrp: | and theyre all utter garbage |
| [10:42:00] | wagnerrp: | the same crap look, with some bundled backgrounds |
| [10:42:07] | wagnerrp: | whats the point? |
| [10:43:23] | justinh1: | wasn't their original plan to charge people more money for the 'extra choices' ? |
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| [10:43:45] | wagnerrp: | more money??? |
| [10:43:51] | wagnerrp: | come on, im running ultimate |
| [10:44:02] | wagnerrp: | i paid my $7 for that privilege |
| [10:44:23] | justinh1: | dunno. haven't used a version of windows greater than XP since I uninstalled vista from my laptop. I hope to keep it that way |
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| [10:45:39] | justinh1: | my wife keeps whining about how crap her laptop performs with vista on it but she insists on not letting me wap XP onto it |
| [10:46:01] | wagnerrp: | not enough memory? |
| [10:46:21] | justinh1: | I gave vista 3 whole days. which according to a guy at work was about 20 too short for it to 'get up to speed' |
| [10:46:27] | justinh1: | it's got 2GB |
| [10:47:05] | justinh1: | I put an extra GB into my laptop to see if it'd help when it still had vista installed. it did. Marginally |
| [10:49:10] | ServerSage: | justinh: I'm not sure you'll ever get Vista to run "well". I gave up on it. |
| [10:49:39] | justinh1: | I expected a brand new laptop – Core Duo 1.6 with 2GB of ram to be able to play a 256Kbps mp3 without struggling. But it couldn't |
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| [10:49:45] | wagnerrp: | 'waiting for the following apps to close before restarting <empty list>' |
| [10:50:08] | wagnerrp: | 'are you sure you want to force the following applications to close? <empty list>' |
| [10:51:25] | wagnerrp: | justinh1: i still cant use my KVM switch |
| [10:51:49] | wagnerrp: | if i have my usb keyboard plugged in through my KVM switch |
| [10:51:54] | wagnerrp: | i cant type in my login password |
| [10:52:13] | justinh1: | crazy |
| [10:54:07] | rileyp: | live tv not working on one of my frontends |
| [10:54:19] | rileyp: | it works on my other two |
| [10:55:37] | rileyp: | would live tv not work if i dont have the icons installed |
| [10:56:02] | rileyp: | MythUIHelper, Error: LoadScaleImage(/usr/share/mythtv/icons/one_hd.png)Unable to find image file |
| [10:57:50] | justinh1: | vot ees dees 'live tv' ? |
| [10:57:54] | rileyp: | that rerror repats about 20 times |
| [10:58:29] | rileyp: | I never use live tv but the wife... |
| [10:58:56] | rileyp: | playCtx, Error: Attempting to setup a player, but it already exists. |
| [10:59:05] | justinh1: | a workaround is to get a new wife |
| [10:59:46] | rileyp: | not a good tip |
| [10:59:52] | ServerSage: | Kind of is. |
| [10:59:55] | rileyp: | but kinda funny |
| [11:00:26] | ServerSage: | I mean, can you really see yourself with a woman that watches commercials? |
| [11:00:47] | justinh1: | remove the live tv menu option. problem solved :D |
| [11:01:03] | justinh1: | life is too short for channel surfing |
| [11:01:23] | justinh1: | and if you're the kind of person who leaves one channel on all day long you needn't even bother doing it |
| [11:01:44] | ServerSage: | rileyp: Are you using VDPAU? |
| [11:03:05] | ServerSage: | rileyp: And can you pastebin relevant log entries? |
| [11:03:20] | ServerSage: | rileyp: Or a list of potential new wives, and we'll vote. |
| [11:04:29] | rileyp: | um i was using vdpau bit recording would not play so i am on slim at present and recordings are working |
| [11:04:52] | ServerSage: | Streaming or coming from a share? |
| [11:04:57] | rileyp: | it is an onboard 7200 |
| [11:05:08] | rileyp: | so prolly wont do vdpau |
| [11:06:16] | rileyp: | from backend however it comes by default |
| [11:06:27] | rileyp: | Ill look |
| [11:07:24] | ServerSage: | Right, 7200 doesn't do vdpau. |
| [11:08:56] | rileyp: | its an amd64 3700 so could do cpu + if i wanted i suspect |
| [11:08:59] | rileyp: | Ill try |
| [11:10:29] | justinh1: | so uhhh – how would recordings work fine on that frontend and 'live tv' doesn't, anyway? |
| [11:10:39] | justinh1: | that's all 'live tv' is – a recording, after all |
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| [11:11:16] | justinh1: | unless of course you've got a network share which is used by the livetv recording group & you've mounted it on the frontend with the wrong permissions |
| [11:11:20] | rileyp: | justinh1 I have no idea |
| [11:12:18] | rileyp: | but live tv comes up with Error opening jump program |
| [11:12:35] | rileyp: | and a frontend log |
| [11:12:43] | justinh1: | gah. xml validation just for themes? that's it I totally give up on theming now. let the world be swamped in a flood of abstract-wide clones |
| [11:13:46] | ServerSage: | rileyp: How about showing some of those errors? :) |
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| [11:14:23] | justinh1: | pastebin the whole backend log from when you try to watch tv on the problem frontend – and the frontend log |
| [11:14:24] | rileyp: | http://pastebin.com/v2csCqin |
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| [11:14:47] | rileyp: | ok thats the frontend |
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| [11:17:02] | raynop: | yes rileyp I am new and battling to get it to show video |
| [11:17:32] | raynop: | but I need to learn a lot still |
| [11:18:34] | rileyp: | http://pastebin.com/E57UDiy7 |
| [11:19:39] | rileyp: | is your tuner supported by mythtv |
| [11:21:19] | rileyp: | 010-12–01 22:09:38.404 LoadFromScheduler(): Error, called from backend. |
| [11:22:37] | rileyp: | rogramInfo(1010_20101103153100.mpg), Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1010_20101103153100.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found. |
| [11:22:47] | rileyp: | these are on the backend |
| [11:23:19] | rileyp: | raynop if your a first timer try mythbuntu |
| [11:24:02] | rileyp: | raynop and make sure your tuner works in linux |
| [11:25:27] | raynop: | er, I have installed the latest mythbuntu hence my question around the Antec remote control :) |
| [11:25:48] | raynop: | what do you mean by tuner? my tvtuner card? |
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| [11:29:33] | justinh1: | I do wish people wouldn't recommend mythuntu for 'first timers'. as if it's the answer to all their problems |
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| [11:32:54] | justinh1: | somebody I know was trying mythtv & he had problems configuring xmltv for the UK. somebody rcommended mythbuntu – but that STILL wouldn't help him |
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| [11:35:30] | rileyp: | raynop to get tv working you need to open mythtv-setp add capture card. create a video source then select the video source in "input connections" then do a channel scan sounds easy hey! |
| [11:36:15] | justinh1: | dead easy |
| [11:36:27] | rileyp: | yes when you know how |
| [11:36:43] | justinh1: | but if that was news to you, you shouldn't be doing anything yet. you should still be reading the docs |
| [11:37:37] | rileyp: | video source naming should reflect the source name eg I use MFTA (melbourne free to air.) |
| [11:38:00] | rileyp: | justmh1 no on likes to RTFM |
| [11:38:31] | justinh1: | and that's our problem why? |
| [11:38:49] | rileyp: | Its a man thing. |
| [11:38:58] | justinh1: | ok then. I'm not a man |
| [11:39:04] | justinh1: | I RTFM on things before I even own them |
| [11:39:40] | justinh1: | oh, you mean it's a stupid attitude thing. rushing headlong regardless of the consequences – a trait mostly attributable to men. Aha! |
| [11:40:17] | rileyp: | Then you are lucky. I do sometimes download manual while waiting upon delvery its good I know |
| [11:40:45] | justinh1: | reading operation manuals of consumer gear can give you a good feel for what it's going to be like to use |
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| [11:41:27] | justinh1: | they generally have UI screenshots etc – useful for when you can't try something in person or watch a demo vid |
| [11:41:54] | ServerSage: | I think somebody needs a hug. |
| [11:42:05] | ** justinh1 readies his petrol can ** | |
| [11:42:29] | ServerSage: | Hehe. |
| [11:42:41] | raynop: | the problem is my mind works backwards, I need to install, play, struggle then only does it makes sense when I read manuals, that's why I just need a nudge or two in the right directeion every now and then |
| [11:42:50] | raynop: | *direction |
| [11:43:00] | justinh1: | the problem with that mindset is that no amount of random button stabbing will ever make mythtv work |
| [11:43:00] | raynop: | thanx, I will give it a go |
| [11:43:32] | justinh1: | it's just a wee bit too complicated for that to be possible right now |
| [11:44:15] | rileyp: | justinh, yeah its a tough gig to fumble your way through mythtv set up |
| [11:44:55] | justinh1: | you could be on for *years* trying to make the leap to work out what needs to be done & in which order |
| [11:44:55] | rileyp: | I did it though... a long time ago. |
| [11:50:15] | rileyp: | raynop here http://pastebin.com/mREGiBq7 |
| [11:51:03] | rileyp: | justinh1 could you look at my backend log please on why live tv no worky |
| [11:51:50] | rileyp: | http://pastebin.com/E57UDiy7 here it is |
| [11:53:37] | raynop: | I have it working all I need is the last steps |
| [11:53:47] | justinh1: | no idea |
| [11:53:54] | raynop: | I have been doing it for years, so if it sounds wrong it works for me :) :) :) |
| [11:54:10] | justinh1: | ah you have it working – it all works except the TV part. well done! |
| [11:54:19] | rileyp: | hehe then he will get a picture and no sound................... |
| [11:54:47] | rileyp: | if he gets a picture............... |
| [11:54:49] | raynop: | correct, without any docs or manuals |
| [11:55:19] | justinh1: | sigh |
| [11:55:33] | justinh1: | 1. we don't know what sort of capture card you're using |
| [11:55:43] | justinh1: | 2. we don't know what steps you've done to try & get sound working |
| [11:55:45] | raynop: | :) |
| [11:55:47] | justinh1: | details! |
| [11:55:58] | rileyp: | my log ... ignore raynop justinh1 |
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| [11:56:13] | raynop: | that's not the problem yet :) |
| [11:56:28] | rileyp: | justinh1 he nmay not need help with sound i was just throwing that problem out there as its a common one |
| [11:57:20] | raynop: | ah, rileyp justin left |
| [11:58:08] | ** stuarta sighs ** | |
| [11:59:03] | rileyp: | raynop look at the pstebin i gave you and follow it and it should work if you dont no help here..... |
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| [12:00:23] | stuarta: | so start at the beginning |
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| [12:00:55] | rileyp: | I can link you to the website i got it from but it has a lot of additional stuf that isnt applicable anymore. add the link to your favorites you will need it. |
| [12:01:17] | justinh1: | look at the *official* mythbuntu howto docs if you use mythbuntu |
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| [12:01:43] | rileyp: | live tv not working on one of my frontends http://pastebin.com/v2csCqin |
| [12:01:48] | justinh1: | I mean don't just *look* *at*. *read* them |
| [12:02:08] | rileyp: | http://pastebin.com/E57UDiy7 and backend log |
| [12:02:09] | justinh1: | asking questions here about things in the docs you don't understand is allowed |
| [12:02:36] | justinh1: | and rileyp there aren't really any clues in those logs |
| [12:02:53] | rileyp: | oh ok thanks |
| [12:02:59] | justinh1: | how livetv can be broken while watching recordings isn't... |
| [12:03:02] | stuarta: | why is the cardtype DUMMY? |
| [12:03:13] | rileyp: | I have no idea |
| [12:03:30] | stuarta: | he's managed to setup a dummy card, which is meant for testing purposes only |
| [12:03:33] | rileyp: | the 12 th tuner is a dvico |
| [12:03:45] | raynop: | lisI were asking about a remote control if it will work, now I being *** at |
| [12:03:54] | raynop: | esih |
| [12:04:08] | rileyp: | english please |
| [12:04:13] | justinh1: | ah a dummy recording not being local to a frontend might have a bearing on things |
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| [12:05:15] | justinh1: | raynop: you've had it explained to you already |
| [12:05:30] | stuarta: | step 1. does the kernel detect and properly load all the drivers for you device? |
| [12:06:59] | rileyp: | live tv works on my other 2 front ends using the 12 tuner |
| [12:07:16] | stuarta: | so what's different about this frontend? |
| [12:07:21] | rileyp: | step 1. does the kernel detect and properly load all the drivers for you device? Is this for me? |
| [12:07:42] | justinh1: | heh. FSF repo owned by SQL injection |
| [12:07:55] | rileyp: | I have no idea it was clean install about a week ago |
| [12:08:36] | raynop: | you are not understanding what I am saying to you, my question was about the remote control which was answered, it ended up in a *read* not *look* at chat |
| [12:08:54] | justinh1: | I'm prejudiced against mythbuntu. I tried it on my frontend – it installed fine but then when I went to reboot it it failed |
| [12:09:03] | justinh1: | raynop: so? |
| [12:09:07] | stuarta: | who has the not working thing here? |
| [12:09:17] | raynop: | that is why I mentionned that I first need to play with something before I understand it |
| [12:09:36] | ** stuarta offers raynop some dynamite ** | |
| [12:09:44] | justinh1: | raynop: which is why I said you'll never get anywhere with mythtv. you can't figure it all out just by stabbing at it |
| [12:09:45] | rileyp: | Justinh1 so never try it again? |
| [12:09:47] | justinh1: | seriously |
| [12:09:53] | raynop: | thank you :) |
| [12:09:57] | justinh1: | rileyp: I tried again. same thing. then I dumped it |
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| [12:10:19] | justinh1: | raynop: I don't just SAY this stuff for the sake of saying it. it's true |
| [12:10:19] | raynop: | well if I couldnt why is it working |
| [12:10:45] | stuarta: | so what is working and what isn't? |
| [12:10:52] | raynop: | well then say it not *express* it |
| [12:11:11] | justinh1: | I dunno why I keep coming back here. same old same old clueless |
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| [12:11:27] | ** stuarta pats justin ** | |
| [12:11:40] | stuarta: | you've upset him, bless, he's sensitive... |
| [12:11:53] | raynop: | lol, sorry |
| [12:12:04] | stuarta: | so which of you two has the issue? |
| [12:12:39] | raynop: | I do not have one at the moment as I was inquiring about a remote |
| [12:12:56] | rileyp: | stuart live tv is not working for me on one of my frontends my logs are above fro front and backends |
| [12:12:58] | raynop: | I think rileyp has :)( |
| [12:13:02] | stuarta: | i've never bothered to setup a remote, so i can't help |
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| [12:13:32] | rileyp: | raynop has dropped in and is asking mundane silly question that if he RTFM he would be fine |
| [12:14:00] | raynop: | thanks, the keyboard on it own I find slightly limited, but I got.... |
| [12:14:12] | raynop: | listen here ranter, your p$%^& me off now |
| [12:14:20] | raynop: | I was asking a silly questiion |
| [12:14:23] | stuarta: | rileyp: the main problem i see is you appear to be attempting to watch a broken recording |
| [12:14:30] | raynop: | and was simply engaing into the conversation' |
| [12:14:36] | raynop: | when I was attakced |
| [12:14:37] | stuarta: | 010-12–01 22:11:44.475 RingBuf(/home/dad/Documents/video/recorded/1001_20101201221142.mpg) Warning: Peek() requested 2048 bytes, but only returning 376 |
| [12:14:39] | raynop: | so b ack down |
| [12:14:45] | rileyp: | Im not up |
| [12:14:58] | stuarta: | will you both shutup |
| [12:14:58] | raynop: | fuck you |
| [12:15:15] | stuarta: | play nice or you will be removed from the channel |
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| [12:15:31] | raynop: | apologies |
| [12:15:37] | stuarta: | thanks |
| [12:16:04] | rileyp: | sorry all |
| [12:16:14] | stuarta: | now |
| [12:16:20] | stuarta: | rileyp: your recording looks broken |
| [12:16:28] | stuarta: | check on you backend how big it actually is |
| [12:16:32] | stuarta: | or try another |
| [12:16:55] | rileyp: | now when ever i attempt to open live tv on "this" FE it crashes saying error opening jump program |
| [12:17:22] | rileyp: | live tv work son backend's FE and on my asrock ion in other room |
| [12:18:14] | rileyp: | but not on this front end. |
| [12:19:36] | stuarta: | it's not seeing enough of the recording to be able to process it. it's bombing out because it can't get the first 2048 bytes |
| [12:20:18] | rileyp: | so you think it may be a network issue? |
| [12:20:35] | stuarta: | how's it connected? |
| [12:21:11] | rileyp: | 10/100 network card on server to a switch to another switch to frontend |
| [12:21:19] | rileyp: | and a router on the side |
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| [12:21:31] | stuarta: | should be enuf |
| [12:22:45] | rileyp: | On my other remote front end live tv pixelates unless I pause it for 20 secondss then play |
| [12:22:57] | rileyp: | It never used to do this |
| [12:22:59] | stuarta: | gak |
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| [12:23:41] | stuarta: | are all the machines timesync'd? |
| [12:23:43] | rileyp: | after the 10–20 second pause live tv plays perfectly |
| [12:24:42] | rileyp: | If the time is not the same on the FE and BE the FE does not open |
| [12:25:11] | rileyp: | I know I had the problem with diskless and a machine being an hour out |
| [12:25:46] | stuarta: | so are they in sync? |
| [12:27:56] | stuarta: | is your backend particularly low spec'd |
| [12:28:12] | rileyp: | yes it is |
| [12:28:24] | rileyp: | single core atom |
| [12:28:41] | rileyp: | but its been fine |
| [12:28:59] | rileyp: | the time on this front end may be a second fast perhaps |
| [12:29:08] | stuarta: | close enough |
| [12:29:40] | stuarta: | how busy is the backend when you are trying to do this test? |
| [12:29:53] | rileyp: | not very |
| [12:30:31] | rileyp: | I have in the past recorded 12 shows at once and watch live tv on a remote front end |
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| [12:30:54] | rileyp: | all comm flagging is done after midnight |
| [12:31:09] | rileyp: | and tahts all the additional work the server does |
| [12:31:16] | stuarta: | if the source material is dvb, then it's only bit banging and the atom should cope |
| [12:31:27] | rileyp: | yes its dvb |
| [12:31:52] | stuarta: | it's concerning tho that the existing frontends need to be paused to allow the backend to get up to speed |
| [12:32:33] | rileyp: | It never used to do it only with 0.23 and 0.24 |
| [12:32:51] | rileyp: | 0.21 and 0.22 were good |
| [12:33:40] | rileyp: | live tv on the backends front end does not need pausing |
| [12:34:10] | stuarta: | must be some performance regressions in there we need to look at |
| [12:35:07] | rileyp: | Ill ping my backend |
| [12:35:42] | rileyp: | 64 bytes from 192.168.1.10: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.048 ms |
| [12:36:24] | rileyp: | Is that acceptable its about 50m of cat5 all up |
| [12:37:05] | stuarta: | i don't think it's your network |
| [12:37:20] | stuarta: | we only normally have issues with wireless which can be flaky |
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| [12:37:41] | rileyp: | its copper all the way here |
| [12:37:50] | stuarta: | excellent (tm) |
| [12:38:14] | stuarta: | better than my power lines which run at about 80Mb/s |
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| [13:49:57] | rileyp: | v |
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| [15:00:03] | rileyp: | i worked out my problem |
| [15:00:28] | rileyp: | with live tv |
| [15:00:33] | rileyp: | not working |
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| [15:01:49] | rileyp: | its because I had the recdings folder shared with samba and myth uses smbd to run |
| [15:02:02] | rileyp: | why I dont know |
| [15:09:32] | stuarta: | myth uses the files if they are available locally |
| [15:09:42] | stuarta: | it doesn't use samba |
| [15:09:46] | stuarta: | directly |
| [15:10:37] | stuarta: | net effect is the same tho |
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| [15:12:10] | rileyp: | well with my recordings folder shared with samba live tv crashes |
| [15:12:30] | rileyp: | with smbd stopped my front end wont even open |
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| [15:13:36] | rileyp: | i removed my recordings folder from my smb.conf andnow live tv works on my problem front end |
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| [15:20:52] | stuarta: | rileyp: it's down to the caching of SMB |
| [15:21:33] | stuarta: | the file metadata doesn't get updated instantly, there is a time delay between updates on the backend, and seeing the updates (filesize etc) on the frontend |
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| [15:21:51] | stuarta: | and in that time, livetv times out |
| [15:22:15] | stuarta: | whereas with a recording, the metadata is unchanging and the frontend can just read the file as required |
| [15:23:16] | stuarta: | when the directory isn't mounted, the data is streamed directly from the backend |
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| [15:55:03] | skd5aner: | hmmm, the FCC has mandated that cable STBs can have an IP interface in lieu of a firewire port now |
| [15:56:43] | skd5aner: | I'm guessing it won't make any difference, DRM will be applicably restrictive either way |
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| [16:10:00] | hobiga: | does anyone have an opinion if it would be better to use the nvidea overscan and get the 59.94 refresh or output to just output to the TV's native resolution @ 60 |
| [16:14:03] | skd5aner: | progressive or interlaced native display? |
| [16:14:57] | skd5aner: | and why can't you output at native resolution at either refresh rate? |
| [16:15:15] | hobiga: | progressive display |
| [16:15:17] | hobiga: | 720p |
| [16:15:46] | hobiga: | well the TV according to it's EDID says that it will only do 1360x766 at 60 |
| [16:16:02] | hobiga: | which is it's native resolution |
| [16:18:27] | skd5aner: | That's what I would feed it then |
| [16:18:55] | skd5aner: | just my opinion though |
| [16:19:08] | hobiga: | yeah that's what I've been running at |
| [16:19:17] | hobiga: | read through this guide and thought I'd try it |
| [16:19:19] | hobiga: | http://forum.xbmc.org/showpost.php?p=506251&postcount=1 |
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| [17:29:28] | sphery: | wish rileyp was here |
| [17:29:39] | sphery: | hard to debug his mythlink failure without more info |
| [17:30:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp: my best guess is that he had multiple systems running system event to create that link |
| [17:30:33] | sphery: | so on line 358, it checked for a dup and found none, then on line 378, it tried to create the link and someone else had created it |
| [17:31:21] | sphery: | could put another existence check in and give a better error message |
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| [18:59:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | I think I'll finally get around to upgrading to 0.24 this weekend. ;-) That, plus my new 32" 720p LCD will make for a more beautiful Myth experience. ;-) |
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| [19:00:12] | ** J-e-f-f-A <3's MythTV ;-) ** | |
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| [19:04:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | Do any of you guys run SCSI Ultra 320 drives? I got 7 146GB U320 drives from old servers at work, and have a PCI-X U320 controller, but only PCI-e and standard PCI slots in my myth box. I know it will "work" in a PCI slot, but I am concerned I will saturate my PCI bus if I try to setup a 4-drive Raid 10 for my OS/DB disk with the card in a PCI slot... |
| [19:05:32] | wagnerrp: | yes, it will |
| [19:05:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | I only have one PCI card now – an Analog PVR-250 for capture of an IPTV STB. Everything else is PCI-e |
| [19:05:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, I figured it would. DOH! |
| [19:05:49] | wagnerrp: | plus it will be competing with your PCI tuners, and possibly network card |
| [19:06:17] | wagnerrp: | IPTV? i thought you were verizon |
| [19:06:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: forgot about the network... humm... |
| [19:06:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I have Verizon FiOS for HD – and an iptv box for my wife's "Sky Angel" programming. |
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| [19:07:08] | wagnerrp: | what are you currently using for a OS disk? |
| [19:07:52] | wagnerrp: | are these 10K drives? |
| [19:07:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Well, up until one of my Sata II 200GB drives fried, I was using a pair of Sata II 200GB's in a Raid1. Right now I'm using a single Sata II 250GB. |
| [19:08:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: the U320s are. The sata drives are 7200rpm |
| [19:09:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | I typically like to start with a 'new' OS disk when I upgrade my system, so I can just 'swap' back to the old configuration if things don't work out. I'd like to use the U320 146GB 10Krpm drives, but don't have a 'suitable' controller for what I'd like to do... :-( |
| [19:10:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... and a dual-channel PCIe U320 controller is pretty pricey... So I don't know if I'll use them after all... |
| [19:13:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I don't like the fact that I'm vulnerable now with a single drive... and was hoping to take advantage of the speed/redundancy of a Raid 10 setup with these 10K RPM U320 drives, but lack the proper controller. |
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| [19:15:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: The cheapest 'real' dual-channel U320 controller I found was about $370 – which is a bit out of my price range at the moment... (Maybe I should have bought the raid card instead of the new TV? oops!) |
| [19:15:38] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, ive been considering going to laptop hard drives for OS disks recently |
| [19:16:33] | wagnerrp: | either that, or splitting things up from how i currently have them |
| [19:16:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, I noticed that's the trend with Blade setups – 2.5" drives – which made me nervous based on what I've experienced for the 'average' laptop drive life... but moving/bumping/etc probably has a lot to do with that lifespan. |
| [19:17:01] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, why? |
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| [19:17:42] | Beirdo: | !list |
| [19:17:48] | Beirdo: | yay, still alive |
| [19:17:52] | wagnerrp: | right now, ive got the OS, half a dozen jails (chroots), four netboot machines, the database, and various servers running on a pair of mirrored 320GB drives |
| [19:17:58] | wagnerrp: | plenty of space for all that |
| [19:18:02] | wagnerrp: | but not nearly enough performance |
| [19:18:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Maybe I could just use a single U320 drive with the controller in a PCI slot and put my DB on there... should speed up my db a little bit. |
| [19:18:09] | wagnerrp: | i regularly find myself choking |
| [19:18:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: And put the OS on a mirrored pair of SATA 2 drives again... |
| [19:18:45] | wagnerrp: | i can stuff four 7200 RPM laptop drives in a 5.25" bay |
| [19:19:42] | wagnerrp: | its not the throughput thats my problem, its the parallel access thats killing me |
| [19:20:03] | wagnerrp: | and my relatively uninformed, untested hypothesis is that the smaller platters on the 2.5" drives will lead to faster seeking |
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| [19:20:20] | wagnerrp: | either that, or go all out and buy a pair of SSDs |
| [19:20:56] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, same rpm, 2.5 latency < 3.5 latency, but the majority of laptop drives are slower rpm |
| [19:21:19] | wagnerrp: | well i would be getting 7.2k drives |
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| [19:22:13] | kormoc: | how much ram do you have? |
| [19:22:20] | wagnerrp: | thats the bigger issue |
| [19:22:26] | wagnerrp: | ive only got 2GB is this machine |
| [19:22:27] | kormoc: | if it's all reading, you might be better served with more ram for more filesystem cache |
| [19:22:33] | wagnerrp: | and ZFS is very unhappy with that little memory |
| [19:22:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... how can I tell if my on-board network is on the PCIe bus or the PCI bus? it's not apparent to me by looking at the 'lspci -v' output... |
| [19:23:16] | wagnerrp: | most of my problems could go away if i just had 8 or 16GB in there |
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| [19:24:04] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: at under 4GB available, ZFS basically disables the predictive cache |
| [19:24:05] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, pastebin? |
| [19:24:14] | wagnerrp: | and most of my problems are when im compiling stuff |
| [19:24:26] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, hrm. I think if I was you, I'd certainly increase the ram first |
| [19:24:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Wait, all I have to do is add more ram to my myth box, and all my problems will go away? Does that include my wife? ;-) hehehehe |
| [19:24:33] | wagnerrp: | when the multiple cpp executables are sucking up all the additional memory |
| [19:26:28] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, depends how much time you spend talking to the ram and not her |
| [19:26:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/uvQgRkEN |
| [19:26:36] | Beirdo: | /dev/sdb7 174G 27G 147G 16% /opt/mythtv/video2 |
| [19:26:43] | Beirdo: | disk full. |
| [19:26:44] | Beirdo: | crap |
| [19:26:55] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: i really just need to upgrade the whole thing |
| [19:26:55] | Beirdo: | /dev/sdb7 44384 44384 0 100% /opt/mythtv/video2 |
| [19:27:02] | Beirdo: | (inodes second time) |
| [19:27:08] | wagnerrp: | not much to do with only DDR1 |
| [19:27:39] | wagnerrp: | 1GB DDR sticks are almost all double sided |
| [19:27:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: yikes. Yeah... but if you want to squeak by – this site usually has great prices for 'old' memory: kahlon.com |
| [19:28:02] | wagnerrp: | and 8 ranks on those old AMD64 chips would drastically cut their bus speed |
| [19:28:05] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, lspci -tv |
| [19:28:45] | kormoc: | ahh, sucky |
| [19:29:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/gVHaD5kk |
| [19:29:37] | wagnerrp: | i would honestly be much better served just picking up a replacement system |
| [19:29:48] | wagnerrp: | (which is what im currently planning) |
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| [19:30:33] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, it's not on the pci or pci-e bridges |
| [19:30:39] | kormoc: | it's it's own bridge |
| [19:31:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Oh, because it's all part of the MCP55 chipset? |
| [19:31:19] | kormoc: | aye |
| [19:34:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | I wonder if that PCI slot would run at 66Mhz with the PCI-X U320 card in there... If so, I could probably 'squeak' by with just a single U320 on there... Or maybe I should just look for a 10K RPM sata drive... ;-) |
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| [19:38:52] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, PCI != PCI-X |
| [19:39:07] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, unless you have a PCI-X slot, you shouldn't use a PCI-X card |
| [19:39:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: right, but most PCI-x cards will work in a PCI slot, but slower. |
| [19:39:24] | kormoc: | huh |
| [19:39:29] | kormoc: | I've never heard of that |
| [19:39:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: |
| [19:40:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: At least that's what hours of googling has told me... It will work, but instead of being 64-bit 133mhz, it'll be 32-bit at either 33 or 66 mhz depending on the slot. (as long as the card is capable, which this one is) |
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| [19:40:56] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: yeah, ive got a PCIX ethernet card sitting in a PCI slot on my server currently |
| [19:41:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... and that slot has the physical clearance where the extra pci-x connector is. |
| [19:41:28] | kormoc: | huh, cool |
| [19:43:04] | wagnerrp: | its just like PCIe, it will drop to the highest commonly supported frequency and bus width |
| [19:43:16] | ** sphery is so glad he doesn't install CDE on his system... cde is a common typo of cd for me ** | |
| [19:43:30] | sphery: | plus, it's CDE |
| [19:44:03] | wagnerrp: | cde? |
| [19:44:14] | sphery: | Common Desktop Environment |
| [19:44:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: installing Solaris? |
| [19:44:21] | sphery: | heh, no |
| [19:44:36] | sphery: | just a general observation that I accidentally submit cde as a command a lot |
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| [19:44:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: ha! I didn't know it was available on any other platform other than solaris!!!! oh! |
| [19:46:07] | sphery: | this is the part that surprised me: http://www.opengroup.org/desktop/ordering/cde.price.list.htm |
| [19:46:32] | sphery: | http://xwinman.org/cde.php shows screenshots on GNU/Linux |
| [19:46:52] | raptorjr: | hello, i was here yesterday whit some 0.24 problems on a new distro. and was suggested that i should first get 0.24 to work on my old distro that had no problems. But i'm not that good on compiling from source and a little unsure on what dependencies i should upgrade now when i get a make error. anyone care to try to help me? |
| [19:47:15] | sphery: | but that may just be for the old Red Hat Linux with support (before RHEL) |
| [19:48:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: holy smokes – look at the fees! [oh, that page is from 1998!!! – yikes!] |
| [19:49:10] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [19:49:45] | sphery: | only $5K to try out the evaluation license |
| [19:49:58] | sphery: | per cpu, of course |
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| [19:51:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | Jeepers... DOH! ;-) Yeah, I wouldn't spend $5 on CDE, never mind $5K!!!! I cringe every time I have to log into one of our old Sun boxes running CDE here... |
| [19:54:26] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [19:57:56] | wagnerrp: | sphery: did you see my response in taht videoschema thread? |
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| [19:58:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... $99.99 for a WD VelociRaptor 300GB 10KRPM SATA II... Not too bad I guess, cheaper than a PCI-e U320 controller... |
| [19:58:41] | wagnerrp: | thats /awfully/ cheap for one of those |
| [19:58:45] | wagnerrp: | where at? |
| [19:59:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Newegg – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 22-_-Product |
| [20:00:00] | wagnerrp: | but... the 150GB version is $130, and the 74GB version is $160 |
| [20:00:07] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, there you go, get 4 of them and use active cooling |
| [20:00:38] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah... I have a feeling it's related to improper svn switching |
| [20:00:53] | wagnerrp: | and the laptop version (which is the same exact thing minus the heatsink) is $210 |
| [20:01:11] | GreyFoxx: | Dec 1 16:02:13 out sshd[8485]: Invalid user mythtv from 124.248.35.109 |
| [20:01:13] | GreyFoxx: | Nice |
| [20:01:18] | GreyFoxx: | going on right now |
| [20:01:39] | wagnerrp: | glad i have a real password for my login, and not 'mythtv' |
| [20:01:44] | sid3windr: | haha |
| [20:01:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: how'd you get my IP? (JUST KIDDING!!! It's not me. ;-) ) |
| [20:01:51] | sid3windr: | that's an idea |
| [20:01:57] | GreyFoxx: | It's on my phaze.org server not even on the same ISP as my mythtv stuff :) |
| [20:01:58] | sid3windr: | /who the channel and try mythtv/mythtv |
| [20:02:01] | sid3windr: | on ssh on all ips |
| [20:02:02] | sid3windr: | ;) |
| [20:02:45] | NightMonkey: | GreyFoxx: Hrm. China IP. |
| [20:02:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | sid3windr: I would hope people aren't that dense... but maybe many are, being former/current windoze users... hehehehe |
| [20:03:01] | NightMonkey: | GreyFoxx: Have you moved SSH to a non-standard port? |
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| [20:03:52] | GreyFoxx: | nope. I just put him in my jerk list |
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| [20:04:02] | GreyFoxx: | his traffic go bye bye |
| [20:04:31] | NightMonkey: | GreyFoxx: Once I moved ssh off standard ports years ago, I haven't had trouble from china war-logins since. If someone *does* try, I know they really want to annoy *me*. |
| [20:05:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: I'll bet 'mythtv' got added to the dictionary of user names of 'brute force' scripts... Just like 'root' 'oracle', etc... ;-) |
| [20:05:13] | wagnerrp: | NightMonkey: or you could have just... http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/ |
| [20:05:37] | NightMonkey: | wagnerrp: Why add software, when you can just remove the problem? |
| [20:05:42] | wagnerrp: | running on non-standard ports != security |
| [20:05:59] | wagnerrp: | any decent passwords will block any of those dictionary attacts |
| [20:06:07] | NightMonkey: | wagnerrp: Running a computer attached to a network != security. |
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| [20:06:23] | kormoc: | meh |
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| [20:06:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Well, it won't block the attack, it will just block the 'success' of the attack. You'll still get hundreds/thousands of attempts... |
| [20:06:52] | kormoc: | NightMonkey, so all a person has to do is port scan your host and then go at it, mine, they just get blocked. Which is more secure? |
| [20:06:53] | NightMonkey: | wagnerrp: Doing it in combination with more solid methods doesn't hurt. And reducing noise is a good thing. |
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| [20:07:28] | wagnerrp: | NightMonkey: with denyhosts, you get a couple failed attempts before the host is blocked |
| [20:07:31] | wagnerrp: | very little noise |
| [20:07:33] | GreyFoxx: | I autodetect, auto block (after checking a whitelist) and alert. I just found it funny the user name was mythtv :) |
| [20:07:53] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: I watch my logs. So, If a) someone port scans the ports I've moved ssh to, I know they're mildly interested, and if they b) try brute forcing, then they are seriously interested, and demand attention. |
| [20:08:05] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, the global repo of bad ip's is great, I almost never get a attempt that isn't pre-blocked |
| [20:08:18] | kormoc: | NightMonkey, and yet there's time you sleep or are AFK on vacation/etc |
| [20:08:23] | sid3windr: | wow, you must not have a lot of logs to watch |
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| [20:08:43] | kormoc: | NightMonkey, I rather know my boxes handle themselves so I don't have to get up every 15 minutes and check logs |
| [20:08:45] | GreyFoxx: | korm: Where is that repo? That sounds interesting :) |
| [20:09:06] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, it's part of denyhosts, http://stats.denyhosts.net/stats.html |
| [20:09:11] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [20:09:26] | NightMonkey: | Well, I dunno fellas, to each their own. Logwatch + swatch works. There's no single path to "security". |
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| [20:10:11] | kormoc: | NightMonkey, so logwatch means starting at 4 am, I'm fairly certain I have 23 hours to get into your box before you'll notice (at a minimum) ;) |
| [20:10:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: Yep, I just checked and I've got two hits today too – from IP: 219.139.108.134 |
| [20:10:37] | kormoc: | NightMonkey, and why swatch over sec.pl? |
| [20:10:53] | wagnerrp: | NightMonkey: arguably, if you provide an easy target early on, detect it, and block all access |
| [20:10:54] | kormoc: | I seem to recall swatch is pretty much... unmaintained, isn't it? |
| [20:11:10] | wagnerrp: | you have better security than if you let them escalate before taking action |
| [20:11:31] | wagnerrp: | of course they could always just route through a new host... |
| [20:11:38] | Steve_Goodey: | !help |
| [20:11:52] | GreyFoxx: | *sigh* we have a new suit in my office who has decided that open source is just "toys for geeks" and we need to start moving to "real solutions" for everything(note we are an all linux + opensource shop) |
| [20:11:58] | Steve_Goodey: | !help list |
| [20:12:39] | wagnerrp: | doesnt better than half the server market run on linux? |
| [20:12:57] | GreyFoxx: | So now I'm expected to defend all of our software (including why we don't use cisco routers) to a non tech suit who reads the latest ceo magazines and feels he is better informed on this sort of stuff than us technical people who have been building ISPS for 2 decades |
| [20:13:02] | GreyFoxx: | wag: yes |
| [20:13:27] | GreyFoxx: | 70% of all web, mail and dns are all various opensource |
| [20:13:32] | GreyFoxx: | and so on and so on |
| [20:13:49] | GreyFoxx: | but now I need to gather some sort of official fracking presentation on it *sigh* |
| [20:14:07] | wagnerrp: | 1. bring in copy of dilbert comic, 2. begin unemployment |
| [20:14:49] | GreyFoxx: | we have a VERY redudant network setup and he wants to replace all of our existing routing with a single large cisco...so inotherwords a much more costly, much less capable single point of failure |
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| [20:15:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: Gee, our windoze servers here at work crash like twice a month, yet a Linux laptop server I've had setup for 2 years has been running 523 days without a reboot or crash... go figure... |
| [20:15:23] | GreyFoxx: | Note, there has been no outages or problems to start him down this road |
| [20:15:45] | GreyFoxx: | in fact we have avoided all of the cisco problems in the last year which took out our competition for over a day twice |
| [20:16:06] | GreyFoxx: | but he feels our stuff is just toys cause his windows buddies told him so :) |
| [20:16:23] | GreyFoxx: | j-e: yeah, I'm suspecting he is a lost cause |
| [20:16:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: Obviously he's an I.D.10.T |
| [20:17:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: Wait until he sees how much $$$ it's going to cost to swap over and maintain those windoze servers... |
| [20:18:32] | GreyFoxx: | his argument was "then we could hire less technical people who cost less and make up some of that cost" |
| [20:18:44] | ** kormoc thinks GreyFoxx should find a new job ** | |
| [20:18:50] | NightMonkey: | GreyFoxx: Get your affairs in order. |
| [20:19:02] | GreyFoxx: | kormo: I'm literally thinking that and starting copying my data this morning |
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| [20:19:36] | GreyFoxx: | this guy was hired as a "PR" guy but his actions so far make us think it's much more than that |
| [20:19:58] | GreyFoxx: | I'm going to humour him while I start looking for something else |
| [20:20:30] | GreyFoxx: | heh he wanted to know why we don't all wear matching polo shirts to work each day |
| [20:20:40] | NightMonkey: | GreyFoxx: When your employees *stop* complaining, that's when it is time to worry. Because they don't care anymore enough to bother. |
| [20:20:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: Good idea. I work primarily with Tandem computer systems, which some call "Legacy" – yet they're TCO is much lower than a Unix system, and a whole lot more reliable. (They're Fault Tolerant, not 'Hight Availability') |
| [20:20:51] | NightMonkey: | GreyFoxx: Sounds like he won't notice... |
| [20:20:53] | GreyFoxx: | Night: yeah |
| [20:21:13] | GreyFoxx: | There are 3 of us who are basically ready to walk out as soon as we find something else or may do some stuff on the side whiule we look |
| [20:21:42] | NightMonkey: | GreyFoxx: I'm sorry for your situation. I've been there a couple times. |
| [20:22:02] | NightMonkey: | GreyFoxx: Sometimes it is for the best; new challenges, new folks. |
| [20:22:05] | GreyFoxx: | so my weekends for the next while will be installing and setting up all distros and other "stuff" I haven't touched in a while and filling in any gaps in my resume since I haven't updatedit in years |
| [20:22:22] | NightMonkey: | GreyFoxx: Get as much LinkedIn recs as you can. |
| [20:22:38] | GreyFoxx: | heh I haven't logged into that in a while but I should |
| [20:23:10] | NightMonkey: | GreyFoxx: If you make and have reccomendations, it's a big plus, in my experience. |
| [20:23:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: Do the higher-up seem to be listening to his 'recommendations' and taking them seriously? |
| [20:23:45] | ** NightMonkey bets they hired him BECAUSE of his point of view. ** | |
| [20:23:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | NightMonkey: Perhaps... yikes. |
| [20:24:15] | GreyFoxx: | j-e: The main higher up is basically never hear anymore, and my direct boss is slowly drinking the koolair |
| [20:24:33] | GreyFoxx: | koolaid |
| [20:25:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: Yeah, get your stuff copied off to a flash drive and update that resume... doh! |
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| [20:25:37] | GreyFoxx: | I've started to look for colospace for moving phaze.org |
| [20:25:44] | GreyFoxx: | right now it's a Vmware instance on a box here |
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| [20:29:44] | sphery: | jya: you probably didn't remove the mythtv/version.pro file when you svn switched or something? |
| [20:29:57] | jya: | sphery: that could be |
| [20:30:05] | jya: | was just looking into it |
| [20:30:11] | sphery: | unless you mean "the info program" = svn info |
| [20:30:17] | jya: | but it's definitely 0.24, and that's what I'm using locally |
| [20:30:18] | sphery: | in which case that's just weird |
| [20:30:22] | jya: | no no |
| [20:30:29] | sphery: | so you mean --version? |
| [20:30:31] | jya: | when you go in mythfrontend and show the status |
| [20:30:33] | jya: | it shows fixes |
| [20:30:37] | sphery: | if so, that's almost definitely mythtv/version.pro |
| [20:30:40] | jya: | sorry, trunk |
| [20:30:52] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/405538#405538 has info on all the things you need to do for a good svn switch |
| [20:31:03] | sphery: | basically: |
| [20:31:04] | sphery: | rm mythtv/version.pro && |
| [20:31:05] | sphery: | find . -name 'Makefile' -delete && svn revert -R . |
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| [20:31:37] | jya: | that's what I did, I simply did a svn swtch from the trunk based, the day 0.24-fixes was cut |
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| [20:31:41] | sphery: | I learned the version.pro thing the hard way, myself |
| [20:31:53] | jya: | but probably forgot to remove the version.pro |
| [20:31:55] | sphery: | yeah, so if you do the other 2 steps, it should fix things ups better |
| [20:32:18] | sphery: | jya: also, do you know what the es27357 means? |
| [20:32:27] | sphery: | is that some localization of r27357? |
| [20:32:27] | jya: | I do |
| [20:32:47] | jya: | no, it's the result of a crap regex not removing 2: from the package version :) |
| [20:32:56] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [20:33:02] | sphery: | ok |
| [20:33:06] | jya: | version is fixes27357 |
| [20:33:11] | sphery: | heh :) |
| [20:33:14] | sphery: | makes sense, now |
| [20:33:23] | sphery: | I was very confused |
| [20:33:29] | jya: | since I copied back the package source from ubuntu , the issue is there |
| [20:33:46] | jya: | I had fixed that, but as I'm now syncing daily with the mythbuntu source code |
| [20:33:55] | jya: | I couldn't be bothered with manually fixing it each time |
| [20:34:14] | sphery: | cool... well thanks for fixing this so quickly. It was a bit confusing when he posted that info |
| [20:34:40] | jya: | well, was up at 6:30AM thanks to a 1 y.o thinking that it's a good time to wake up |
| [20:34:45] | sphery: | this = the --version branch info |
| [20:34:51] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:35:05] | sphery: | I hear even if you get them watches, they still don't keep reasonable hours |
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| [20:51:50] | leandroal: | I have a pctv "Prolink Pixelview SBTVD" but when I connect it to my pc (running ubuntu 10.4), the system try to download dvb-usb-dib0700–1.20.fw but it reports failure on download it... I download it manually and copy it to /lib/firmware but the system does not create /dev/video0. Any clue how to make it working? |
| [20:57:03] | ikevin: | leandroal, try: mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0 |
| [20:59:30] | wagnerrp: | no, dont try that |
| [20:59:40] | wagnerrp: | if your system doesnt automatically create one, something is very wrong |
| [20:59:54] | wagnerrp: | blindly creating your own nodes is likely only to cause more confusion |
| [21:00:02] | ikevin: | or system is not configured to do that automaticaly |
| [21:00:22] | wagnerrp: | any modern distro should be doing that just fine |
| [21:00:28] | leandroal: | hum... the mine is ubuntu 10.4.... |
| [21:01:11] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, you shouldnt be using /dev/video0 on that card anyway |
| [21:01:43] | leandroal: | I suppose that the problem is in the firmware download, but I download it myself and copied to /lib/firmware and the system (dmesg) still try to download the file... |
| [21:01:45] | wagnerrp: | you want /dev/dvb/adapter0 |
| [21:02:15] | leandroal: | no /dev/dvb dir available for my case... |
| [21:02:37] | wagnerrp: | still, that is what you should be trying to fix |
| [21:02:56] | wagnerrp: | and you will probably get better help in #linuxtv |
| [21:03:01] | leandroal: | I did modprobe dvb-usb-dib0700 but nothing happened... |
| [21:03:02] | wagnerrp: | (they actually write the drivers) |
| [21:03:16] | leandroal: | wagnerrp, good to know... I will try there... thank you!! |
| [21:03:20] | leandroal: | ikevin, thanks! |
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| [21:11:29] | jya: | sphery: version.pro is a checked in file |
| [21:11:34] | jya: | with no local modification |
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| [21:48:06] | nutron: | any reason why mythcommflag should be performing much worse in .24 than .22? I turned on the compressed (don't remember the actual term) version of mythcommflag, and it detects, 1 commercial break versus the other backend running .22 (same program, same channel, almost same exact config) which detects 6. This is consistent across hundreds of recordings. I'm wondering |
| [21:48:13] | nutron: | if it as to do with the sreek tables being buggered up... or maybe it's the "enhanced" comm detection? |
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| [21:49:45] | iamlindoro: | nutron: Have you turned on the experimenat enhancements? |
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| [21:49:48] | iamlindoro: | er experimental |
| [21:50:26] | iamlindoro: | Was pretty sure that those enhancements were pretty explicit about being experimental, were off by default, and made fairly clear that they could compromise accuracy |
| [21:51:15] | nutron: | iamlindoro: yes, true, true and true. |
| [21:51:33] | iamlindoro: | Then there you go ;) |
| [21:51:59] | nutron: | I'm simply asking if it's the possible that the seektables being effed would affect the frontend from actually jumping... but now that I put thought into what I asked... it's mythcommflag |
| [21:52:11] | nutron: | aye, 'xcuse the noise |
| [21:52:14] | iamlindoro: | no worries |
| [21:52:35] | nutron: | danke |
| [21:54:06] | nutron: | That brings me to another question, do any of the devels want to hear success/failure stories on the new experimental commflagging? |
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| [21:54:46] | wagnerrp: | originally danielk's work, beirdo got it updated, cleaned up, working, and committed |
| [21:55:56] | nutron: | wagnerrp: was that an answer to my query? |
| [21:56:11] | wagnerrp: | that was an answer to who might be interested |
| [21:56:56] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [21:57:03] | Beirdo: | yeah, that stuff is fun :) |
| [21:57:29] | ** nutron feels wisps of sarcasm ** | |
| [21:57:39] | Beirdo: | hehe, only small ones |
| [21:58:31] | nutron: | Beirdo: I couldn't get the dummy tuner working properly, so I gave up trying to find the regression... asking and pestering devels got me nowhere :/ sry. |
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| [22:10:24] | CyberKnet: | I noticed recently after upgrading to 0.24 that my preview images aren't generating correctly. Viewing them in mythweb confirms that they are not generated correctly. Mostly black, with splashes of white and random color on them.... has anyone else seen that? |
| [22:10:38] | CyberKnet: | The recordings themselves play fine. |
| [22:10:42] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like you are not on current .24-fixes |
| [22:10:47] | CyberKnet: | very likely |
| [22:10:51] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: ive got your repository somewhere on my hard drive, but for the life of me i cant find it |
| [22:11:02] | iamlindoro: | You should update and then remove all the png files in your recordings dirs |
| [22:11:10] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [22:11:24] | Beirdo: | Well, the branch will be on github tomorrow :) |
| [22:11:25] | wagnerrp: | and thats the better part of a GB |
| [22:11:42] | CyberKnet: | thanks iamlindoro :) |
| [22:11:44] | sphery: | jya: it's a checked in file that's updated with the svn branch on checkout (and only on checkout) |
| [22:11:48] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [22:11:56] | sphery: | jya: so delete it and svn revert and it will get updated for the right branch |
| [22:12:03] | wagnerrp: | a couple days ago, i was going to start working on it again |
| [22:12:10] | sphery: | wagnerrp: did you even try those links I gave? |
| [22:12:14] | wagnerrp: | but couldnt, because ipv6 wasnt working at that moment |
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| [22:12:15] | sphery: | I don't see what's wrong with them |
| [22:12:21] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: that's a nasty bug to escape through to a release, but if it's the worst of it, it's a good day! No data loss is a win for everyone. |
| [22:12:24] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, they only work against the tags |
| [22:12:25] | sphery: | there's a similar one for master that gets current trunk |
| [22:12:32] | sphery: | against what tags? |
| [22:12:51] | sphery: | you're saying that gives you 0.24 release tag? |
| [22:12:56] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [22:12:59] | wagnerrp: | i think |
| [22:13:34] | sphery: | I don't think that's right since the tag download is: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/ tarball /v0.24 |
| [22:14:08] | sphery: | vs https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv /tarball/ fixes /0.24 |
| [22:14:12] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet: If you consider some corrupted preview images a nasty bug, I'd hate to hear what you think of actual nasty bugs |
| [22:14:19] | sphery: | spaces added to prevent people clicking things they shouldn' |
| [22:14:20] | sphery: | t |
| [22:14:32] | sphery: | (or at least that they needn't) |
| [22:15:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'll fully admit that it's completely crazy UI on github to find the links, but once you get them, they seem to work |
| [22:15:48] | wagnerrp: | ah, i see how it works now |
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| [22:15:59] | wagnerrp: | yeah... somewhat confusing UI |
| [22:16:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and I just downloaded and verified that the most-recent -fixes commit in github is in it |
| [22:16:03] | sphery: | yeah |
| [22:16:12] | sphery: | definitely understandable how you could get lost :) |
| [22:16:20] | sphery: | but I think that's what all the scripts should use |
| [22:17:16] | wagnerrp: | although i cant decide whether its a good or bad thing that you cant do 'trunk@some-commit' |
| [22:17:46] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: not so much nasty as visible. |
| [22:18:01] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: it's a great day when it's a completely reversable bug. |
| [22:18:22] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, that would require a <git-terminology> |
| [22:18:24] | wagnerrp: | ooh... looks like you cant |
| [22:18:29] | wagnerrp: | s/cant/can/ |
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| [22:18:37] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: and if I may stoop to the level of further brown-nosing, testament to the commitment that mythtv developers have to producing awesome quality software! :) |
| [22:18:40] | sphery: | ok, maybe not |
| [22:18:41] | sphery: | :) |
| [22:18:57] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tarball/<big long git revision string> |
| [22:19:01] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [22:19:11] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that will work great |
| [22:19:23] | sphery: | and jannau mentioned something we could use to give better/more-human-readable names to those revision numbers |
| [22:19:33] | sphery: | I forgot the git names though |
| [22:19:49] | sphery: | but, yeah, it looks like github has everything we need to support the old svn habits |
| [22:19:56] | sphery: | (at least as used by the scripts) |
| [22:20:02] | wagnerrp: | actually, that was an old trac habit |
| [22:20:17] | sphery: | ah, yeah, you're right--trac pulled the zip/tar |
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| [22:20:42] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: That might be usable for, minimally, our windows build, too |
| [22:23:49] | wagnerrp: | sphery: although it seems to pull the entire tree at that commit |
| [22:23:56] | wagnerrp: | not just the 'mythtv' or 'mythplugins' folder |
| [22:24:15] | wagnerrp: | minor issue |
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| [22:30:00] | sphery: | hmmm... werid |
| [22:33:51] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: so if I upgrade to 0.24-fixes and the thumbnails persist after deleting and then viewing in mythweb (shift-reloaded) ... any thoughts? |
| [22:34:21] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet: Is that to say that you have done so? |
| [22:34:25] | CyberKnet: | it is. |
| [22:34:28] | CyberKnet: | I have deleted the file. |
| [22:34:39] | iamlindoro: | Then it means Beirdo isn't done with his seektable fixes yet |
| [22:34:44] | CyberKnet: | oh, ok. |
| [22:35:05] | CyberKnet: | I didn't update to trunk... just an apt-get upgrade that pulled in 0.24-fixes from mythbuntu |
| [22:35:22] | sphery: | CyberKnet: what are you talking about "thumbnails persist"? |
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| [22:35:30] | CyberKnet: | they are black. |
| [22:35:33] | CyberKnet: | sometimes with random dots |
| [22:35:38] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:35:43] | sphery: | if you mean you still have bad ones, then you need to re-run mythcommflag --rebuild on each recording |
| [22:35:58] | CyberKnet: | I need to re-commflag everything? |
| [22:36:01] | CyberKnet: | *blink* |
| [22:36:02] | sphery: | and if you mean that mythweb only shows the bad ones and mythfrontend has the right ones, you need to delete mythweb's cached copy |
| [22:36:05] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo! :) |
| [22:36:07] | sphery: | CyberKnet: only the bad ones! |
| [22:36:09] | Beirdo: | did I put that on 0.24-fixes or only trunk? |
| [22:36:15] | dustybin: | oh well, mythtv can be installed on centos: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_on_RHEL/CentOS |
| [22:36:18] | dustybin: | *wow |
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| [22:36:27] | Beirdo: | and no, it's not commflag, it's rebuilding the seek table |
| [22:36:28] | sphery: | heh, yeah, I didn't actually look to see if it's in 0.24-fixes, yet |
| [22:36:29] | Beirdo: | it's fast |
| [22:36:41] | CyberKnet: | sphery: nah, I don't have access to the front end right now, I'm just accessing through mythweb – but not viewing cached copies. |
| [22:36:51] | Beirdo: | I think I only put that into trunk |
| [22:36:54] | CyberKnet: | Is there a genius hacker method for running that against everything? |
| [22:37:11] | CyberKnet: | (given that I am not a genius hacker) |
| [22:37:12] | sphery: | CyberKnet: that said, there is definitely a mythweb cache, so you won't necessarily see updated previews |
| [22:37:24] | sphery: | still, you need to rebuild the seek table for each affected recording |
| [22:37:55] | sphery: | for file in *.mpg ; do echo ${file}; mythcommflag --rebuild --file ${file} ; done |
| [22:37:59] | sphery: | use at your own risk |
| [22:38:09] | sphery: | and you'll have to repeat for each directory |
| [22:38:40] | sphery: | and you should do it when the I/O won't cause issues with recordings, etc. |
| [22:38:51] | sphery: | since it will be a /lot/ of I/O |
| [22:38:51] | CyberKnet: | that's a good thought... |
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| [22:39:00] | sphery: | other option is to just watch and delete the recordings |
| [22:39:01] | boshhead: | i hear banging |
| [22:39:14] | CyberKnet: | the WAF plummets when I cause heavy I/O mid-afternoon |
| [22:39:17] | CyberKnet: | :) |
| [22:39:19] | Beirdo: | boshhead: that's the sound of my head hitting my desk |
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| [22:49:13] | Steve_Goodey: | CyberKnet: Tell me about it!! |
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| [23:02:06] | dero1: | : I just installed mythtv 0.24, I've got a question regarding downmixing |
| [23:02:21] | dero1: | does mythtv downmix multi-channel-sound to DPL2? |
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| [23:07:46] | k-man: | are the OSD themes in mythcenter and mythcenter-wide deliberately different? |
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| [23:23:24] | kormoc: | yurg |
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| [23:23:34] | kormoc: | my git binary is bad it seems like |
| [23:24:28] | russell5: | by default does lirc log to syslog? |
| [23:26:37] | iamlindoro: | k-man, MythCenter and MythCenter-wide should no longer be considered different aspects of the same theme, in spite of having the same name |
| [23:26:42] | iamlindoro: | k-man, They diverged some time ago |
| [23:27:16] | CyberKnet: | We should name them MythCentre and MythCenter-Wide |
| [23:27:17] | CyberKnet: | :D |
| [23:27:33] | CyberKnet: | That would clear things up. |
| [23:28:27] | k-man: | iamlindoro: ok |
| [23:28:45] | iamlindoro: | just deleting them would fix the confusion too |
| [23:28:55] | biffhero: | that's the best idea I have heard yet. |
| [23:30:49] | CyberKnet: | I'm guessing that's not in reference to the rename. |
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| [23:31:55] | biffhero: | no, deleting it. |
| [23:32:52] | biffhero: | is there anything that compares favorably to terra? |
| [23:33:44] | iamlindoro: | Depends on your personal aesthetic, but there are few as bad, out of date, and stuck-in-the-old-theming-style as the MythCenters |
| [23:33:56] | iamlindoro: | they exist only to satisfy the people who can't let go of MythTV .18 |
| [23:34:10] | biffhero: | ah. |
| [23:34:48] | iamlindoro: | Arclight is by far the most complete theme, the other born-from-MythUI themes are Terra, Childish, LCARS, TransBlue, blue-abstract, and MythBuntu |
| [23:35:09] | iamlindoro: | and Graphite |
| [23:35:19] | biffhero: | does LCARS have star-trek sounds? |
| [23:35:25] | iamlindoro: | no sounds |
| [23:35:49] | kormoc: | LCARs is pointless unless it's a touch screen anyway |
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| [23:42:33] | CyberKnet: | I loved Graphite and Arclight – except for that it showed the show backgrounds when scrolling through the list of shows. Even that I personally love, but if my daughter sees spongebob, iCarly and Ni-Hao Kai-Lan while I'm scrolling to find No Ordinary Family then my tv-viewing time is toast. |
| [23:43:42] | kenni: | ...huh? "Adobe Flash 10.2 Brings Linux Video Acceleration"...gotta read up on that |
| [23:44:27] | biffhero: | CyberKnet <<< hit the "N" on your keyboard, skip right over that. |
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| [23:49:59] | tgm4883: | kenni, I couldn't find a Linux version 10.2, let me know if you do |
| [23:51:56] | kenni: | tgm4883, it's a beta.. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/ |
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| [23:54:13] | tgm4883: | kenni, sorry let me clarify. There is a 32-bit on. I didn't see a 64-bit one |
| [23:54:17] | tgm4883: | sorry for the confusion |
| [23:54:32] | kenni: | ok, I didn't see a 64bit either |
| [23:54:38] | tgm4883: | :( |
| [23:56:49] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: bah! svn: Failed to add file 'media-tv/mythtv/mythtv-0.25_alpha27396.ebuild': an unversioned file of the same name already exists |
| [23:56:58] | wagnerrp: | what are you doing running the same revision as me... :P |
| [23:59:39] | kenni: | heh, from the phoronix forums: |
| [23:59:39] | kenni: | strings libflashplayer.so |grep libv |
| [23:59:40] | kenni: | libvdpau.so |
| [23:59:43] | kenni: | libvdpau.so.1 |
| [23:59:52] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, hehe |
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