| Tuesday, November 30th, 2010, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:29] | rileyp: | livetv is not working on one of my frontends |
| [00:00:33] | rileyp: | http://pastebin.com/AdU2YXrd |
| [00:00:58] | rileyp: | Could someone have a looksy for me please |
| [00:03:24] | biffhero: | LiveTV doesn't work for me, either. It's funny, the backend says it is recording, starts writing an .mpg file to disk, but the front end never sees it and starts displaying it. |
| [00:03:50] | rileyp: | it works on my other 2 front end |
| [00:03:52] | biffhero: | But that's on 0.23, I am going to try it again with 0.24. I have lower WAF right now, but that's OK. |
| [00:04:13] | rileyp: | Im on 0.23 fixes |
| [00:05:10] | biffhero: | So am I. Here's what I did to test. start the recording, and immediately, before it errors out, look in your /livetv/ directory. 'watch -n 1 "ls -alrt"' and see if there's a file there which is growing. |
| [00:05:48] | biffhero: | looks like you are actually getting some errors. I don't think I was getting any errors, just the front end saying "nope, nothing for me." |
| [00:05:54] | rileyp: | RingBuf(/home/dad/Documents/video/recorded/1012_20101130100952.mpg) Warning: Peek() requested 2048 bytes, but only returning 376 |
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| [00:06:13] | biffhero: | 2010-11–30 10:10:08.075 NVP::OpenFile(): Error, couldn't read file: /home/dad/Documents/video/recorded/1012_20101130100952.mpg <<< Is there a file there? |
| [00:06:40] | rileyp: | I havent looked |
| [00:08:19] | biffhero: | Mine doesn't error out straight away, there's like 10 seconds while the frontend tries to open things up. I can "watch -n 1 'ls -alrt'" and see it show up and then go away when the frontend errors out. |
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| [00:08:53] | rileyp: | No there is not just looked then lucky i have the folder shared with nfs across the network....:D |
| [00:09:10] | biffhero: | Are you in the middle of an error timeout now? |
| [00:09:16] | rileyp: | likewise mine is the same |
| [00:09:20] | rileyp: | no |
| [00:09:29] | Gibby: | ne1 now how I can use pm-suspend on a zotac ion and keep the network on? |
| [00:09:36] | biffhero: | Mine would be deleted by the backend after the front end times out, and notifies the backend "nope, all done". |
| [00:09:47] | biffhero: | so I had to do the looking while I was trying to do the watching. |
| [00:10:09] | rileyp: | Gibby no you cant pc is on or off when in suspend the ram is kept live thats all |
| [00:10:32] | rileyp: | you can wake a machine with a ping though |
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| [00:11:54] | rileyp: | ah ok wel lthats probably what has happened |
| [00:12:21] | rileyp: | I was thinking maybe it has to do with a setting like mysql.txt |
| [00:12:43] | biffhero: | that's my test. If you see that, you will have gotten to where I got. Which is nowhere. :-) |
| [00:12:48] | rileyp: | I know the password needs to be set in 2 differnt document |
| [00:13:26] | biffhero: | can the frontend read /home/dad/Documents/ ... |
| [00:14:10] | rileyp: | Its on a nfs share and i can open any recording with vlc |
| [00:14:19] | rileyp: | if i want to |
| [00:14:36] | rileyp: | not that i ever do |
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| [00:17:00] | rileyp: | I nknow if config.xml and mysql.txt are not the same there are connection issues with mysql but they are the same on my front ned |
| [00:17:13] | rileyp: | so its not that |
| [00:17:28] | biffhero: | yeah, your front end wouldn't even start up if there was no happy mysql connex. |
| [00:17:56] | rileyp: | yeah I know that but it will if the password is wrong ion config.xml |
| [00:18:25] | biffhero: | oh, interesting. |
| [00:18:36] | rileyp: | It caused odd issues I remember but not what exactly |
| [00:19:05] | rileyp: | just a good one to always check if your having wierd stuff happen |
| [00:19:38] | rileyp: | so how tested is o.24 |
| [00:19:52] | rileyp: | Im tempted to just do it |
| [00:20:34] | biffhero: | Dunno, I haven't done it yet myself. I hope to do it in the next week or so. WAF, and all that. |
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| [00:28:46] | Gibby: | rileyp: it has to keep part of it on to be able to wake from lan |
| [00:29:24] | rileyp: | no you can wake from lan from s4 |
| [00:29:44] | Gibby: | hmmm , any way to shutdown and still have USB on so i can wake from usb? |
| [00:29:58] | rileyp: | and you can wake from lan in s3 as well |
| [00:30:16] | rileyp: | you cant wake from usb in s4 but from suspend you can |
| [00:30:56] | kormoc: | http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Ubuntu_S . . . USB_Activity |
| [00:30:59] | rileyp: | you need to enable /proc/acpi/wakeup look in the mythtv wiki its all there |
| [00:31:59] | Gibby: | looks like s5 is what i need, my FE is diskless, waking from S3 works but OS doesn't come back right |
| [00:32:47] | wagnerrp: | s5 is shut down |
| [00:32:51] | wagnerrp: | meaning you have to reboot |
| [00:33:14] | rileyp: | gibby a diskless front end is great and i spent many hours getingone working but its a fiddle and be warned |
| [00:34:09] | rileyp: | make sure your diskless clients space is on a different partition to your server. |
| [00:34:14] | Gibby: | rileyp; my diskless FE has had no issues in months, and was fairly easy to setup |
| [00:34:42] | Gibby: | i have it configured as Fat Client so it has its own chroot |
| [00:35:26] | rileyp: | else all hell breaks loose when your servers disk is filled up with logs from your diskless client and then mysql falls over beacuse it canmnot write to disk... |
| [00:35:29] | Gibby: | just trying to figure out a way to save some power when it is not in use... and by getting the WAF |
| [00:36:08] | Gibby: | i have zenoss configured so i get alerted well before any space issues happen |
| [00:36:08] | kormoc: | rileyp, or just enable logrotate for the diskless client? |
| [00:36:13] | rileyp: | Gibby your diskless fe can be shut down with s3 and woken by usb by adding |
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| [00:37:01] | Gibby: | rileyp; i got the shutdown to S3 and wake up working, the OS just never comes back and mounts the paritions |
| [00:37:03] | rileyp: | kormoc yes that would probably fix but it stuffed me for a while very upsetting it was too.... |
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| [00:37:39] | Gibby: | I wrote a how to, to setup the diskless, it rotates logs automatically |
| [00:37:44] | rileyp: | are you shutting down your server? |
| [00:37:53] | Hilikus: | what do you guys suggest as filesystem for mythtv between xfs and jfs? |
| [00:37:53] | Gibby: | rileyp: server never goes down |
| [00:38:04] | kormoc: | Hilikus, I juse JFS for recordings |
| [00:38:15] | rileyp: | use xfs for recordings ext4 for o/s |
| [00:39:00] | rileyp: | ok so server runs all time great and when you attempt to boot from diskless client after a suspend its all sad? |
| [00:39:09] | Gibby: | yep |
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| [00:39:33] | Gibby: | i was talking to somewhere here or in mythbuntu and suggested leaving the network powered on |
| [00:40:42] | rileyp: | hmm yes its kinda the utopia of diskless when it will actually boot from a suspend. It is possible and I saw with my own eyes it happen i almost cried in disbelief after hours of WAF angering meddling |
| [00:41:02] | rileyp: | and I gave up on diskless after that |
| [00:41:26] | Gibby: | rileyp; when it woke up, it launched the FE but no OS cli commands were working to I shutdown in fear of breaking it |
| [00:42:16] | Gibby: | from ACPI looks like S5 would be better since i leaves more "on" |
| [00:42:18] | rileyp: | but no OS cli commands sorry im not that techy |
| [00:42:26] | rileyp: | please elaborate |
| [00:43:01] | rileyp: | you cannot usb boot from anything higher than s3 |
| [00:43:09] | rileyp: | thats usb wake sorry |
| [00:43:47] | Gibby: | S5 also called G2 is known as Soft Off |
| [00:44:08] | Hilikus: | what about putting the os and recordings on the same disk but different partitions vs having them in different disks? any recommendation on this? |
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| [00:45:27] | rileyp: | is not s3 suspend (susp to ram) s4 hibernate(susp to disk ) and s5 dead as in unpluued dead but can be woken with a wake on lan |
| [00:45:28] | Gibby: | Hilikus: I don't know about your or others, but I only feel safe when my OS disk is mirrored... |
| [00:45:51] | Gibby: | rileyp;nope, that is G3 |
| [00:45:58] | Gibby: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Configu . . . er_Interface |
| [00:46:11] | rileyp: | Hilikius i that exact situation been running for 2 years |
| [00:46:42] | rileyp: | lucid on ext4 rec on xfs on a lvm across 2 drives |
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| [00:49:10] | rileyp: | gibby good one thanks just googled it. |
| [00:49:20] | rileyp: | # G2 (S5), Soft Off: G2 is almost the same as G3 Mechanical Off, but some components remain powered so the computer can "wake" from input from the keyboard, clock, modem, LAN, or USB device. |
| [00:49:39] | rileyp: | Gibby i would s3 as the ram is local |
| [00:50:21] | rileyp: | My diskless Fe did suspend /resume with s3 and a usb remote |
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| [00:53:03] | Gibby: | but it looks liek S5 is shutdown but you can wake it up.. so then it would reboot from PXE.. which should work... I think |
| [00:53:11] | Gibby: | Just have to figure out hot to shutdown to S5 and test this... |
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| [00:58:08] | Gibby: | any have a bookmark for a good understanding/editing of /proc/acpi/wakeup |
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| [01:11:42] | jya: | sphery: done in [27375] the downmix bit, use the presence of SSE2 to run the downmixer or not |
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| [01:13:57] | sphery: | jya: cool, thanks |
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| [01:22:39] | [R]: | wtf |
| [01:22:43] | [R]: | its not skipping commercials!? |
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| [01:24:13] | [R]: | its not flagged |
| [01:24:13] | [R]: | grrr |
| [01:24:54] | Gibby: | so for /proc/acpi/wakeup if for state it only has S4 that means that all that my mobo supports? |
| [01:25:16] | wagnerrp: | sounds like it... check your BIOS |
| [01:25:23] | wagnerrp: | you may have some switch to enable/disable S3 |
| [01:25:32] | [R]: | so mythweb says it was flagged |
| [01:25:38] | [R]: | but doing commskip buttons says its not flagged |
| [01:25:41] | Gibby: | i enabled all wake up optoins |
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| [01:30:38] | Gibby: | rileyp; i swear every google search with diskless and wake you have posted in |
| [01:31:55] | ** jamesd_laptop wishes i had a house quiet enough for diskless systems to make a difference, i have a 5 disk x86 based fileserver in my living room, and i don't notice the noise difference when its turned off most of the time. ** | |
| [01:33:15] | wagnerrp: | why dont you move it to the basement? |
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| [01:34:56] | ** Gibby turned a clostet in to a rack, piped in AC at the bottom and an exhaust fan at top with a temp sensor... WAF was ++ ** | |
| [01:35:11] | [R]: | is 121fps on commflag good? |
| [01:36:28] | Gibby: | rileyp: what if I moved from a fat client to a thin client but let it have its own chroot still.... i found a howto on how to wake a thin client not a fattie tho |
| [01:36:54] | wagnerrp: | you cant run mythtv on a thin client |
| [01:37:16] | Gibby: | :( |
| [01:37:20] | Gibby: | hmmmmmmmm |
| [01:37:27] | rileyp: | http://pastebin.com/AdU2YXrd live tv not working 0.23 fixes |
| [01:37:38] | rileyp: | help me please |
| [01:37:41] | wagnerrp: | you understand what a thin client is, right? |
| [01:38:36] | Gibby: | wagnerrp: yes apps don't run on the thin client HW |
| [01:38:53] | wagnerrp: | right... mythfrontend wouldnt run on the local hardware |
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| [01:39:01] | wagnerrp: | it would be run on the server |
| [01:39:02] | rileyp: | gibby im no expert on diskless i just had a shit of time getting it working. |
| [01:39:11] | wagnerrp: | and the raw uncompressed video be pumped over the network |
| [01:39:17] | wagnerrp: | rileyp: watch the language |
| [01:39:25] | rileyp: | ok sorry |
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| [01:41:45] | rileyp: | wagnerrp, could you look at my frontend log please? |
| [01:42:35] | wagnerrp: | looking... |
| [01:44:49] | wagnerrp: | i would check backend logs to figure out why youre recordings are failing (such that there is no file for livetv to start playing) |
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| [01:54:37] | rileyp: | backend log http://pastebin.com/niPaDJk1 |
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| [01:55:20] | iamlindoro: | You need to update your mythtv |
| [01:55:31] | iamlindoro: | to current .24-fixes |
| [01:55:41] | iamlindoro: | you are seeing a bug that was fixed 3–4 weeks ago |
| [01:55:58] | iamlindoro: | hmm, wait |
| [01:56:01] | iamlindoro: | sorry, you're not |
| [01:56:07] | iamlindoro: | you've just set up system events wrong |
| [01:56:55] | iamlindoro: | Which may or may not be related to your recording issue, but sure doesn't look good |
| [01:57:22] | iamlindoro: | Also, based on your frontend log, you have serious signal quality issues |
| [01:57:30] | iamlindoro: | If this is OTA, you likely have antenna aim issues |
| [01:58:49] | rileyp: | I have multiple front ends and only this particvular one cant play live tv |
| [01:58:56] | high-rez: | So... Any suggestions on a movie to get on bluray which has amazing sound? :) |
| [01:59:14] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | high-rez: How much do you want to pay? |
| [01:59:23] | high-rez: | < 30 |
| [01:59:34] | [R]: | high-rez: just goto the store and look at the backs of them |
| [01:59:53] | [R]: | high-rez: thats what me and my friends did this weekend |
| [01:59:55] | high-rez: | GadgetWisdomGuru: I mean, I'm pretty flexible but I can't imagine paying more than 30 bucks for a movie. |
| [02:00:14] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I got some good deals during the Amazon Black Friday stuff |
| [02:00:16] | high-rez: | R: The back tells you what they're encoded in, but nothing about "wow the sounds engineers that worked on this movie did an amzing job." |
| [02:00:24] | [R]: | lol |
| [02:00:27] | rileyp: | system events? I havent touched system events that I know of |
| [02:00:46] | rileyp: | i think ill try 0.24 |
| [02:01:39] | iamlindoro: | You've definitely configured system events |
| [02:01:56] | iamlindoro: | specifically, the one that's trying to delete some file in your recording dir |
| [02:01:59] | rileyp: | on the server? |
| [02:02:52] | iamlindoro: | And when you did configure them, you configured them with an improperly terminated quoted string |
| [02:03:09] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | high-rez: The guy I listen to is named Matt Poprocki. Knows his stuff. Try doblu.com |
| [02:03:13] | rileyp: | ahh perhaps its to do with mythlink and deleteing old symlinks |
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| [02:03:22] | rileyp: | ill have a look |
| [02:03:25] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Of course, he depressed the heck out of me when I bought stuff he hated the quality of. |
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| [02:05:43] | rileyp: | iamlindoro, I have removed that event |
| [02:05:58] | rileyp: | thanks for that |
| [02:05:59] | high-rez: | GadgetWisdomGuru: I'm pretty happy with the quality of my audio setup. |
| [02:06:48] | rileyp: | high-rez I just bought a yammy receiver and will make some speakers soon |
| [02:07:06] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | high-rez: Doblu is about blu-ray discs, not the setup. he reviews blu-rays for quality. Very technical. Also does a podcast called Seen in HD |
| [02:07:30] | rileyp: | what are your settings for myth ? hdmi dts? 7.1 etc |
| [02:07:32] | high-rez: | GadgetWisdomGuru: Aha. Gotcha. |
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| [02:08:36] | high-rez: | rileyp: I do all LPCM out for now. Myth itself won't decode DTS-HD/TrueHD – but ffmpeg has passthrough for those now, so i'll do all passthrough when its available |
| [02:09:14] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | high-rez: I bought Back to the Future on rerelease, because I love that movie, and now I can't see anything but the encode flaws he pointed out in the review, unfortunately. |
| [02:10:24] | biffhero: | rileyp: did you get it figured out? |
| [02:10:40] | kormoc_afk is now known as kormoc | |
| [02:11:15] | biffhero: | beirdo, your chat log rocks! |
| [02:11:33] | biffhero: | what's AST? |
| [02:11:46] | Beirdo: | Atlantic Standard Time |
| [02:12:07] | Beirdo: | one timezone east of Eastern Standard Time |
| [02:12:47] | wagnerrp: | used by newfoundlands and ricans |
| [02:13:05] | [R]: | that sounds racist |
| [02:13:35] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I used to know a guy in Newfoundland who I always confused the time of. |
| [02:13:40] | wagnerrp: | its ok, im cuban |
| [02:13:59] | [R]: | what does that have to do with it? |
| [02:14:41] | wagnerrp: | ... we both have huge satellite dishes? |
| [02:15:01] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I'm confused |
| [02:15:25] | [R]: | wagnerrp: that's what she said? |
| [02:17:31] | biffhero: | hi-rez: I have always been impressed with the big blue earth series by BBC. |
| [02:17:52] | biffhero: | I don't know if their sound is hot on blu-ray, but I can't imagine that if they did a Blu-ray version, it would not be as amazing. |
| [02:18:05] | kormoc: | big blue earth? Did they do a sequel? |
| [02:18:11] | biffhero: | oh, not right name? |
| [02:18:21] | kormoc: | isn't it just Blue Earth? |
| [02:18:44] | iamlindoro: | Sounds more like he means "Planet Earth" |
| [02:18:57] | biffhero: | yeah, I think I meant PE. http://www.bbcearth.com/ |
| [02:19:01] | iamlindoro: | Since BBC has never done a series by either other title ;) |
| [02:19:01] | kormoc: | wait, I was thinking of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blue_Planet |
| [02:19:27] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I think it is on sale on blu-ray |
| [02:19:48] | biffhero: | heh, the BBC one was good. |
| [02:20:03] | biffhero: | that I _know_ |
| [02:20:53] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I should get around to watching that |
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| [02:26:44] | rileyp: | biff Im updating to 0.24 at presnt |
| [02:26:50] | rileyp: | see if that fixes it |
| [02:27:17] | biffhero: | Yeah, it's good enough to just have on and playing, the scenery, the camera work, the narration. Very much recommended. |
| [02:27:48] | biffhero: | rileyp: thanks. You are on ubuntu too, right? Did you use dpkg-reconfigure mythbuntu-repos ? |
| [02:28:23] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | biffhero: I have so many movies to watch |
| [02:28:49] | biffhero: | GadgetWisdomGuru: we have 176 in our netflix queue. :-) |
| [02:29:12] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | biffhero: I can't decide if I should get a Netflix subscriptio |
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| [02:32:17] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | It won't integrate with MythTV, alas |
| [02:33:11] | k-man: | is it documented somewhere, what options the guide grabber needs to support for mythfilldatabase? |
| [02:33:14] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | There is always Hulu Plus and Mythnetvision, but I can't figure out if the Mythnetvision grabber logs into Hulu. It doesn't seem to |
| [02:33:25] | [R]: | k-man: options? |
| [02:33:47] | k-man: | [R]: does mythfilldatabase call the grabber with command line options? |
| [02:34:01] | [R]: | k-man: mythfilldatabase uses xmltv... |
| [02:34:45] | k-man: | [R]: in australia, it uses tv_grab_au – which is not xmltv as such (at least that is my understanding of it) |
| [02:34:55] | [R]: | hrm |
| [02:35:40] | [R]: | weird |
| [02:35:42] | k-man: | [R]: err... shepherd is an australain grabber, which calls itself tv_grab_au for mythfilldatabase's purposes – but i guess what yoursaying is, whatever the grabber, it should accept the command line options that xmltv accepts maybe |
| [02:35:42] | [R]: | well just read the source |
| [02:35:51] | k-man: | [R]: ok, thanks |
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| [02:38:20] | biffhero: | [6:29] <GadgetWisdomGuru> biffhero: I can't decide if I should get a Netflix subscriptio <<< yeah, we use our Wii for online netflix. |
| [02:38:47] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I have a Roku box I bought to take to relative's houses to watch things. |
| [02:39:59] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I like the price point of the Roku boxes. |
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| [02:40:39] | [R]: | i liked the price of the wii |
| [02:40:41] | [R]: | it ws free |
| [02:40:46] | [R]: | but i still havent signed up for netflix |
| [02:40:49] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | [R]: How did you get a free Wii? |
| [02:41:03] | [R]: | my gf gave me hers |
| [02:41:13] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I wasn't that lucky |
| [02:41:39] | pcallycat: | Good eve all, I've googled my arse of, but in the end still have a question. Is it possible to rip dvd's from the front end, and have it store them on the backend, without setting up nfs shares? |
| [02:41:54] | [R]: | myth doesnt do ripping anymore |
| [02:42:08] | jams: | even when it did the answer is no |
| [02:42:28] | pcallycat: | k. didn't know it didn't anymore, I must be on an older version |
| [02:42:35] | biffhero: | Doesn't Roku do netflix? |
| [02:42:37] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I'm just happy I can do ISOs again |
| [02:42:44] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | biffhero: It does do netflix. I have no subscription |
| [02:42:57] | biffhero: | GadgetWisdomGuru: ahh. |
| [02:43:23] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | biffhero: Also does Hulu Plus now. no subscriptions there either. I'm thinking about it to supplement. I want to reduce my cable subscription. I did an analysis, and 90% of what I watch is broadcast anyway |
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| [02:46:04] | biffhero: | that would be nice. We pay too much as well. |
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| [02:47:19] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | biffhero: Time Warner Cable just upped the base price, not included the extra boxes and taxes, to $79.95 a month effective 1/1 |
| [02:47:31] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | That is $20 increase in the last 18 months |
| [02:47:40] | biffhero: | yeah, time to leave. |
| [02:47:59] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I can't sustain that. But I have housemates, so I'm trying to talk them into cutting the $10 a month cable boxes on top of that and scaling down to one box, and the starter package. |
| [02:48:03] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Ween them off the cable |
| [02:49:18] | biffhero: | Multiple myth tuners might help. I have a friend who does OTA for everything. |
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| [02:50:16] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | They won't link into my Myth system |
| [02:50:22] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Old school |
| [02:51:50] | biffhero: | tell them it's the new cable box, and charge them 10 bucks a month for them. |
| [02:52:25] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | they aren't that old school. I've been talking about Myth for at least 5 years now |
| [02:56:59] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | They've admitted they'll probably listen to me eventually. But they aren't 'early adopters'. |
| [02:57:10] | [R]: | rofl |
| [02:57:34] | [R]: | yeah, 8 years is pretty new |
| [02:59:16] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Well, MythTV isn't mainstream |
| [02:59:39] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I talked them into dropping the TWC DVR because they never used it and TWC started on-demand for primetime |
| [02:59:46] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | There's $10 a month right there |
| [03:00:58] | biffhero: | Did they ever have a DVR before? |
| [03:01:27] | biffhero: | Because your one server could become multiple DVRs pretty easily, just add cards. |
| [03:02:46] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | biffhero: It has multiple tuners |
| [03:02:49] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | More than I need |
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| [03:03:56] | biffhero: | so all they need are front-ends. I _love_ my acer revo, quiet, small, does HDMI out. |
| [03:04:28] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | biffhero: I just replaced my oldest piece of junk with a Zotac Ion box. Just added RAM plus drive. |
| [03:04:53] | ** wagnerrp bets that 'oldest piece of junk' is more powerful; than the zotac ion ** | |
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| [03:06:42] | biffhero: | is that your front end? |
| [03:07:10] | [R]: | i heart my zotac |
| [03:07:26] | biffhero: | ooh, this does look hot. http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en& . . . ;ved=0CEkQ8w |
| [03:07:59] | [R]: | i doubt its external temperature would get that high |
| [03:08:02] | biffhero: | now I lust for a zotac. Can I get output from that to regular cable? |
| [03:08:07] | biffhero: | s/hot/sexy/ |
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| [03:08:41] | biffhero: | my other TV doesn't have any HDMI. Maybe convert to RCA. |
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| [03:09:44] | Beirdo^2: | Heh. Good song to sing along to. Alice Cooper – Poison |
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| [03:10:25] | Beirdo^2: | Tis sad when the song makes perfect sense too. |
| [03:10:47] | [R]: | biffhero: most only have vga or dvi/hdmi |
| [03:11:20] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo^2: its... odd listening to him talk |
| [03:11:36] | Beirdo^2: | Yeah. :) |
| [03:11:42] | wagnerrp: | from the music, you would expect him to be more similar to ozzy, but hes a normal intelligent person |
| [03:11:51] | biffhero: | I guess you can adapt from VGA to RCA |
| [03:11:52] | biffhero: | ? |
| [03:11:57] | Beirdo^2: | Quite so. |
| [03:12:03] | wagnerrp: | biffhero: you can, you dont want to |
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| [03:12:38] | Beirdo^2: | Yeah money better spent on a new tv |
| [03:13:15] | biffhero: | OK, so here's a problem, affecting WAF. After a Touchdown, there's a commercial, kickoff, commercial. We always leave the game after the TD, and come back after the commercial. I think the commflag needs tweaked. Is that possible? |
| [03:13:28] | biffhero: | I don't care how good it looks, it's for the kids. |
| [03:14:19] | [R]: | biffhero: your not describing that properly... because it sounds like its working fine |
| [03:14:48] | Beirdo^2: | Auto commskip is rather ummm silly to depend on |
| [03:14:53] | kormoc: | I think he's saying the kickoff gets counted as a commercial? |
| [03:15:31] | [R]: | biffhero: thats what commskip fw/bk is for |
| [03:15:33] | Beirdo^2: | Probably due to durations of commercials etc. |
| [03:16:02] | biffhero: | football TD -> commercial -> football kickoff -> commerical -> football drive. the first commercial is pretty short, and sometimes we come back after it, but over half the time we come back after the second commercial. |
| [03:16:30] | kormoc: | biffhero, if you tweak it, it'll stop working all the other times likely |
| [03:16:39] | Beirdo^2: | Sounds like they are doing someting far enough out of the norm that it's hard to detect well |
| [03:16:52] | biffhero: | R: I didn't realize there was a commskip fw/bk. Will look for that one. kormoc, thx. bierdo: yeah. |
| [03:17:04] | kormoc: | 30 second commercial, 60 second kickoff, 30 second commercial |
| [03:17:13] | kormoc: | kinda hard to figure out that middle isn't a commercial |
| [03:17:24] | Beirdo^2: | Yup |
| [03:17:32] | biffhero: | I didn't realize how amazing auto-commskip was going to be until the first few times we saw it. Fade out, fade in. So much better than picking up the remote. |
| [03:17:51] | wagnerrp: | so long as its accurate |
| [03:17:54] | Beirdo^2: | Except for football it seems |
| [03:17:57] | [R]: | that's what she said |
| [03:18:11] | kormoc: | biffhero, if you watch carefully, it likely works as expected for longer kickoffs, but they're rarer then short ones |
| [03:18:21] | kormoc: | [R], %s/she/he/ |
| [03:18:38] | biffhero: | We just had an accurate one, so yeah, they are working sometimes. |
| [03:18:40] | [R]: | kormoc: no... she said it |
| [03:19:14] | biffhero: | we will try Q next time. yeah, that's what she said. |
| [03:19:19] | kormoc: | [R], Unless you just got back from a Thailand discount chop shop, we're all males |
| [03:19:26] | [R]: | does no one go to the sizzler anymore? theres like 2 in phoenix |
| [03:19:32] | [R]: | kormoc: lol |
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| [03:20:23] | biffhero: | It's pretty downhill. I try to get the family to go there ironically every year or so. Just to see how bad it has gotten. There's one in the area. |
| [03:20:44] | [R]: | biffhero: ? |
| [03:20:47] | [R]: | oh sizzler |
| [03:20:47] | Beirdo^2: | Sizzle this. |
| [03:21:07] | biffhero: | Sizzler. How can you pass up an all you can eat salad bar which has "tacos" |
| [03:21:24] | [R]: | haha |
| [03:21:28] | kormoc: | Sizzler is a terrorist organization plotting for the total destruction of the american plumbing system |
| [03:21:36] | [R]: | well my radius for restaurants is like 10 miles |
| [03:22:02] | [R]: | even that is bordering on too far |
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| [03:22:20] | Beirdo^2: | Ack. How did this song end up on my iPhone? |
| [03:22:53] | Beirdo^2: | Bryan Adams. Go. away! |
| [03:23:01] | [R]: | doesnt he sing that one song |
| [03:23:15] | wagnerrp: | brYan adams? |
| [03:23:15] | kormoc: | he sings more then one song |
| [03:23:19] | Beirdo^2: | He sings a lot of songs |
| [03:23:26] | wagnerrp: | no one wants to listen to a nut who cant even properly spell his own name |
| [03:23:28] | [R]: | everyting i do, i do it for you |
| [03:23:32] | [R]: | i have that one |
| [03:23:40] | Beirdo^2: | None of which I wanna listen to |
| [03:23:43] | kormoc: | An ode to tunafish |
| [03:24:00] | Beirdo^2: | Please forgive me |
| [03:24:01] | Beirdo^2: | Blech |
| [03:24:44] | Beirdo^2: | Sorry. A bit bitter yet :) |
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| [03:25:58] | biffhero: | Oh, yeah, sizzler. Sunnyvale's the closest. That's 5 miles. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_ . . . 487&z=10 |
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| [03:26:13] | [R]: | lucky |
| [03:26:57] | biffhero: | Beirdo^2: get a temporary girlfriend to bring up your ego. I think you should be able to pick some up at http://idump4u.com |
| [03:27:06] | biffhero: | got a college nearby? |
| [03:27:23] | [R]: | hes too old for taht |
| [03:27:35] | Beirdo^2: | Yes and so not interested |
| [03:27:40] | biffhero: | got a community college nearby? |
| [03:28:02] | Beirdo^2: | I don't need a girlfriend half my age |
| [03:28:05] | biffhero: | sign up for some adult cooking classes. |
| [03:28:24] | Beirdo^2: | Meh |
| [03:28:29] | [R]: | you know what they say about the young ones... |
| [03:28:43] | kormoc: | Jailtime? |
| [03:28:46] | [R]: | rofl |
| [03:28:55] | biffhero: | bluedot. not worth jail. |
| [03:29:07] | biffhero: | R: get them when you can still trai them. |
| [03:29:12] | biffhero: | s/trai/train/ |
| [03:29:28] | Beirdo^2: | More like. Women. Can't live with them. Pass the beernuts. |
| [03:29:45] | kormoc: | I just put on my wizard's hat and robes |
| [03:29:50] | ** biffhero takes a swig of the bitter-juice, and moves on. ** | |
| [03:30:03] | [R]: | biffhero: haha |
| [03:30:36] | Beirdo^2: | oO |
| [03:32:28] | [R]: | Beirdo^2: why are you squared? |
| [03:34:11] | kormoc: | He's so square, he's like a space invader |
| [03:34:23] | Beirdo^2: | Cuz it's hip to be square |
| [03:34:55] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:34:58] | kormoc: | He's so hip he can't see past his pelvis |
| [03:35:09] | Beirdo: | OK, home |
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| [03:39:29] | biffhero: | editing twik pages can get tedious |
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| [03:46:04] | Beirdo: | OK, time to continue working on myth_system |
| [03:46:48] | sphery: | maybe I can find a few more myth_system calls to change to throw more wrenches into your works |
| [03:46:58] | biffhero: | you got home in 9 minutes? |
| [03:47:00] | Beirdo: | haz Mexican Coca Cola.. will code |
| [03:47:08] | sphery: | heh |
| [03:47:08] | Beirdo: | no |
| [03:47:13] | biffhero: | ooh, real sugar. |
| [03:47:36] | Beirdo: | the trip home, I was logged on with my iPhone. |
| [03:56:17] | wagnerrp: | we excuse you for your brevity |
| [03:56:26] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:56:31] | Beirdo: | bite me. |
| [03:56:32] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [03:56:44] | Beirdo: | how's that fer brevity |
| [03:58:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: what about the spelling pistakes? |
| [03:58:42] | [R]: | http://cgi.ebay.com/Microboards-HCL-8000-8-Dr . . . _2526wt_1141 |
| [03:58:45] | [R]: | why would anyone need that? |
| [03:59:03] | wagnerrp: | [R]: low volume publisher? |
| [03:59:15] | [R]: | isn't it easier to send em away? |
| [04:00:15] | wagnerrp: | hahaha.... 'rings discovered around uranus! scientists plan probes!' |
| [04:00:32] | [R]: | rofl |
| [04:02:16] | ** biffhero turns head and coughs ** | |
| [04:06:57] | [R]: | how does myth think i have closed captions |
| [04:07:00] | [R]: | thats weird |
| [04:14:11] | biffhero: | I forgot to tell you. We had a party at your place earlier today. I had a bunch of deaf friends over, so we had to turn on CC. Sorry about that. |
| [04:14:21] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:14:22] | [R]: | i use an hdpvr |
| [04:14:25] | [R]: | so not quite |
| [04:15:54] | biffhero: | I was meaning to ask you about that. And did we get the vacuum cleaner put back where it belongs? We weren't quite sure. |
| [04:18:49] | [R]: | lol |
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| [04:32:19] | ericwait: | would anyone be able to help me with a mythtv-backend iptables problem? |
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| [04:34:04] | [R]: | well looks like my slow deletes were fixed in 0.24 |
| [04:34:07] | wagnerrp: | you want ports 6543 and 6544 |
| [04:34:13] | wagnerrp: | as well as 3306 for mysql |
| [04:34:19] | wagnerrp: | and possibley 1900 for upnp |
| [04:34:39] | wagnerrp: | and maybe 6546 and 6547 for access to the frontend |
| [04:34:42] | ericwait: | is it not enough to accept all input from that interface? |
| [04:34:58] | [R]: | if you accept everyhitng... wahts the point of the firweall |
| [04:35:12] | ericwait: | i have eth0 to the outside world and eth1 to the inside |
| [04:35:12] | wagnerrp: | if you are simply going to accept all input, theres no point to the firewall, nor is there point to asking in here for help |
| [04:36:23] | ericwait: | I just set up iptables/dhcp/dns for my local network with a set of ip addresses and no matter what I do I cannot connect to the backend |
| [04:36:30] | ericwait: | even from the local machine |
| [04:37:51] | biffhero: | is the backend running? |
| [04:38:00] | ericwait: | when i set up the backend it is able to connect to the db and looks like it is running but I am unable to get mythweb or a frontend to talk to it. |
| [04:38:01] | ericwait: | yes |
| [04:38:04] | biffhero: | telnet localhost 3306 <<< prove that mysql has network access to IP addy. |
| [04:38:40] | biffhero: | "looks like it is running" , how do you know that? |
| [04:40:09] | ericwait: | well after running mythtv-setup is states the process that the backend is running on |
| [04:40:12] | [R]: | wagnerrp: in the python bindings... what is the difference between getPendingRecordings and getScheduledRecordings? |
| [04:40:18] | [R]: | wagnerrp: from the description it looks the same |
| [04:40:34] | wagnerrp: | is there a different? yes |
| [04:40:36] | biffhero: | I just did "telnet backendIPaddy 6543" and got a connect. does it work for you? |
| [04:40:42] | wagnerrp: | what that difference is? i really dont know |
| [04:40:46] | [R]: | wagnerrp: haha |
| [04:41:03] | wagnerrp: | hey, its a different call, it returns different data |
| [04:41:13] | wagnerrp: | but the actual meaning? i have no idea |
| [04:41:18] | wagnerrp: | those are just commands i inherited |
| [04:41:22] | biffhero: | one returns and int, and the other a string. (4) vs. (four) |
| [04:41:22] | ericwait: | biffhero: ah no 6543 did not work |
| [04:41:51] | ericwait: | i shouldn't have to be explicit with iptables will I? |
| [04:41:54] | biffhero: | ericwait: it ain't runnin' |
| [04:42:11] | biffhero: | ericwait: ps auxw | grep -i mythbackend |
| [04:42:14] | [R]: | wagnerrp: the descrpition for "getCurrentRecording" is wrong... its the same as freeTuner |
| [04:42:57] | [R]: | wagnerrp: ah... loks liek the actual source is right |
| [04:43:18] | biffhero: | ericwait: what that get you? |
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| [04:44:16] | ericwait: | biffhero: two lines of stuff |
| [04:45:05] | biffhero: | ericwait: I bet one of them is your grep. is the other one. "/usr/bin/mythbackend --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log" ? |
| [04:45:25] | ericwait: | biffhero: yep |
| [04:45:42] | biffhero: | cool. so do this. |
| [04:45:51] | biffhero: | telnet localhost 6543 |
| [04:45:54] | biffhero: | that's on the backend host |
| [04:46:15] | ericwait: | connection refused |
| [04:47:00] | biffhero: | hrm. that would tell me that you aren't running. can you paste the logfile at pastebin. just hte last 20 lines or so. |
| [04:47:04] | biffhero: | ~pastebin |
| [04:47:20] | biffhero: | ugh, looks like isaac is dead. guys, where's pastebin? |
| [04:47:58] | biffhero: | how abotu this one. |
| [04:48:02] | biffhero: | telnet locahost 3306 |
| [04:48:54] | biffhero: | these tests aren't quite conclusive. "netstat -ln | grep -i 6543" will tell you if anyone is listening on 6543 |
| [04:49:21] | ericwait: | 5.1.41–3ubuntu12.7"-<%Dh]z@/g;2&gTPuy% |
| [04:49:21] | ericwait: | then |
| [04:49:21] | ericwait: | quitConnection closed by foreign host. |
| [04:49:48] | biffhero: | that's good. |
| [04:50:00] | biffhero: | yeah, that means your mysql is running. |
| [04:50:06] | biffhero: | can you telnet to it from your frontend machine? |
| [04:50:09] | ericwait: | netstat bring up nothing |
| [04:50:51] | biffhero: | has this system ever worked? |
| [04:51:22] | ericwait: | this system worked prior to a kernal update and my network reconfiguration |
| [04:51:40] | ericwait: | does windows have telnet? |
| [04:51:40] | biffhero: | I would bet that you have a backend running, but it isn't logging in OK to the DB. but that's not consistent with what you just showed. |
| [04:51:44] | biffhero: | yes. |
| [04:52:01] | ericwait: | same commands? |
| [04:52:04] | biffhero: | ok, you got a frontend which won't start? |
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| [04:52:19] | biffhero: | sorry, I don't know them. I think it's "telnet <ip addy> <port>" |
| [04:52:31] | biffhero: | for me it's "telnet 192.168.10.129 3306" |
| [04:52:34] | biffhero: | but that's on a mac. |
| [04:52:53] | biffhero: | oh, you said "same". I read "sorry" sorry about that. |
| [04:53:06] | biffhero: | I read "some". |
| [04:53:38] | biffhero: | Where's your frontend machine? Is it a linux box? Can you get a shell prompt on it? |
| [04:53:46] | ericwait: | well i have a front end that is on the backend that will not start and mythweb and xbmc on a windows machine |
| [04:53:53] | biffhero: | OK. |
| [04:54:15] | ericwait: | I have been running my telnet from a ssh sesion on the backend |
| [04:54:21] | biffhero: | that's fine. |
| [04:54:36] | ericwait: | I can runn downstairs and touch it when need be |
| [04:54:48] | biffhero: | nah, I'm thinkin. wiat a sec. |
| [04:54:51] | ericwait: | k |
| [04:55:04] | biffhero: | you got your firewall configs stored in a file? |
| [04:55:22] | ericwait: | i'm using webmin to do the iptable managment |
| [04:55:31] | biffhero: | I am thinking an easy test would be to reset the iptables. |
| [04:55:36] | biffhero: | iptables -L |
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| [04:56:00] | biffhero: | does it say "accept" three times, and that's it, or are there a bunch of entires? |
| [04:56:18] | ericwait: | I have a bunch of enteries |
| [04:56:23] | biffhero: | ok. |
| [04:56:30] | biffhero: | easy one. "ipables --flush" |
| [04:56:44] | biffhero: | then restart BE. restart FE. see if that's better. |
| [04:57:11] | biffhero: | you got a FE running on the same box as the BE? How are you seeing if it is working, if it is a long ways away? Are you running a remote X to it? |
| [04:58:24] | biffhero: | oops. |
| [04:58:30] | biffhero: | my command has a typo. |
| [04:58:35] | biffhero: | "iptables --flush" |
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| [05:02:04] | biffhero: | or don't. |
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| [05:04:55] | ericwait: | biffhero: still there? |
| [05:05:08] | biffhero: | yep. good to see you back. |
| [05:05:12] | biffhero: | did that help? |
| [05:05:29] | ericwait: | that machine is the fire wall for the whole house so when it goes down so does the rest, it is up now I will go check, |
| [05:06:09] | biffhero: | Oh, OK. I didn't intend to take your whole house down. That command should simply turn off the firewall, though. |
| [05:06:36] | biffhero: | with webmin, are you able to say, "keep doing NAT, but stop firewalling incoming connections from the inside interface" ? |
| [05:07:20] | biffhero: | because like wagnerrp said, don't you trust everything on that side of the host? |
| [05:09:42] | ericwait: | so after the reboot, it still didn't work and then I looked at iptables -L and all my old enteries are still there. I'll try to just set everything to accept through webmin and see what happens |
| [05:10:05] | [R]: | wagnerrp: you there? |
| [05:10:22] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [05:10:28] | biffhero: | ericwait: yeah, that's a fine start. |
| [05:11:06] | [R]: | wagnerrp: db.searchJobs(status=JOBSTATUS.RUNNING) works but db.searchJobs(status<JOBSTATUS.RUNNING) doesn't... how can i make it do less tahn? |
| [05:11:35] | wagnerrp: | you have to do a custom search |
| [05:12:05] | wagnerrp: | something like custom=(('status<%',JOBSTATUS.RUNNING),) |
| [05:12:10] | wagnerrp: | ... i think |
| [05:12:17] | wagnerrp: | can never really remember how that one works |
| [05:12:54] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, I had meant to ask whether you liked my new backend proto token |
| [05:13:01] | iamlindoro: | but now I'm going to sleep, so enjoy ;) |
| [05:14:20] | ericwait: | biffhero: so iptables -L all have accept but still no joy :( |
| [05:15:18] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: poor poor jenny... |
| [05:16:24] | ericwait: | biffhero: telnet to port 6543 still gives connection refused |
| [05:16:37] | wagnerrp: | i hadnt even noticed the bump |
| [05:16:44] | wagnerrp: | i had been watching for it, never saw it |
| [05:16:57] | wagnerrp: | wonder if that was one of the emails that got dropped by my mail filter |
| [05:18:55] | biffhero: | ericwait: after the -L is all clear, restart myth. |
| [05:19:06] | biffhero: | restart the mythbackend |
| [05:19:46] | biffhero: | and see if you can connect to 6543 after that. I wonder if it's possible that your backend couldn't connect to the DB for some reason, so it started up, but not in a good state. |
| [05:19:53] | [R]: | wagnerrp: ah... i found how it does that custom thihgn... trying to figure it out |
| [05:21:59] | ericwait: | still no go |
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| [05:23:01] | biffhero: | ok, let's troubleshoot. |
| [05:23:07] | biffhero: | you got nothing in your iptables? |
| [05:23:13] | ericwait: | check |
| [05:23:16] | biffhero: | "iptables -L" shows nothing. cool. |
| [05:23:38] | biffhero: | netstat -ln | grep 3306 |
| [05:23:43] | biffhero: | that shows something in LISTEN ? |
| [05:23:54] | wagnerrp: | [R]: you figured out how that stuff works? impressive |
| [05:24:00] | ericwait: | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| [05:24:03] | [R]: | wagnerrp: not yet |
| [05:24:05] | wagnerrp: | decorators are one of the more esoteric structures in python |
| [05:24:05] | biffhero: | cool |
| [05:24:21] | [R]: | wagnerrp: looking throug hte hcode... but i figured out how the custom part came into play from searchjobs |
| [05:24:31] | biffhero: | netstat -ln | grep -i 6543 |
| [05:24:39] | wagnerrp: | and even i consider the code i wrote to auto-generate the SQL a bit of a mindf**k when i try to read back through it |
| [05:24:51] | ericwait: | null |
| [05:25:14] | [R]: | i love awesome code |
| [05:25:20] | biffhero: | OK, so I have "LISTEN" there. |
| [05:25:54] | ericwait: | somewhere the backend is not listening on the right ports? |
| [05:26:10] | biffhero: | ps auxw | grep -i backend |
| [05:26:16] | wagnerrp: | [R]: it really wasnt so bad until i incorporated kormoc's much appreciated SQL to search for videos using multiple cast members |
| [05:27:04] | ericwait: | two lines |
| [05:27:04] | ericwait: | ... --logfile ... ect and the grep |
| [05:27:18] | biffhero: | ok, let's get the logfile somwehere we can read it. |
| [05:27:27] | biffhero: | wagnerrp: where's pastebin? |
| [05:27:43] | wagnerrp: | pastebin.com? |
| [05:27:51] | ericwait: | i have an ftp if you want to download it or google docs too |
| [05:27:56] | biffhero: | wagnerrp: I thought was had a custom one for this channel. |
| [05:28:03] | wagnerrp: | mythtv.pastebin.ca |
| [05:28:10] | wagnerrp: | but pastebin.ca can be flaky sometimes |
| [05:28:20] | biffhero: | k. |
| [05:28:57] | biffhero: | ericwait: doesn't matter, but if you want to use google docs or ftp, that's fine. I suggest you do the following first, however. |
| [05:30:07] | biffhero: | /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop ; rm -f /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log ; /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start |
| [05:30:23] | ericwait: | will do |
| [05:30:31] | [R]: | MythTV.exceptions.MythDBError: MySQL error: incomplete format |
| [05:30:35] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i'm gettin' close |
| [05:30:47] | biffhero: | that way whatever you give me to read is sure to be a clean log from only this one. |
| [05:31:26] | [R]: | wagnerrp: is there some kind of verbose mode i can enbale? |
| [05:32:01] | wagnerrp: | sure, i use the same ones as the mythtv binaries |
| [05:32:14] | wagnerrp: | MythLog._setlevel('...') |
| [05:32:16] | ericwait: | biffhero: the only interesting line is "Empty LocalHostName" |
| [05:32:46] | biffhero: | with this recent network change, did you change your hostname? |
| [05:32:53] | ericwait: | no |
| [05:33:25] | [R]: | wagnerrp: sweet |
| [05:34:48] | biffhero: | ericwait: I get the feeling that there's a DB connection going sour here. |
| [05:35:17] | biffhero: | ericwait: try this. /etc/init.d/mysql stop ; /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart |
| [05:35:20] | biffhero: | that ought to fail. |
| [05:35:45] | biffhero: | but if your backend starts up and just sits there like it is right now, then we might be on to something. |
| [05:36:33] | biffhero: | like, it's possible that your myth backend isn't talking to your mysql server properly. |
| [05:37:38] | ericwait: | so by stoping mysql I can no longer run mythtv-setup |
| [05:37:46] | ericwait: | i could before |
| [05:37:54] | biffhero: | why would you need to run that? wasn't it all working before? |
| [05:38:13] | [R]: | db.searchJobs(custom=(('status<%s', JOBSTATUS.DONE),)) |
| [05:38:22] | ericwait: | when I get a kernel update I have to do some magic for the tunercards to work |
| [05:38:28] | [R]: | wagnerrp: basically what you told me... haha |
| [05:38:31] | biffhero: | ericwait: ah, I see. |
| [05:39:39] | ericwait: | i guess if all else fails I could drop the db and start from scratch (not ideal) |
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| [05:40:04] | biffhero: | so we now are sure that your local mythtv-setup uses your local mysql. |
| [05:40:23] | ericwait: | there is no other instance that I know of |
| [05:40:29] | biffhero: | start up mysql , run mythtv-setup, and are you able to finish that OK? |
| [05:40:39] | ericwait: | hold |
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| [05:41:53] | [R]: | kormoc: you there? |
| [05:42:02] | ericwait: | biffhero: yep and mythfill db is working right now |
| [05:42:05] | kormoc: | in some abstract metaphysical way, yes |
| [05:42:18] | [R]: | kormoc: how does mythweb match up the jobqueue table to the recording name? |
| [05:42:19] | biffhero: | OK. When that finishes, don't have it start the backend. |
| [05:42:29] | [R]: | kormoc: does it just search the table for channel and time? |
| [05:42:32] | biffhero: | And then… do the "rm" of your backend log file. |
| [05:42:35] | [R]: | the recorded* |
| [05:42:42] | biffhero: | then do the start. |
| [05:42:54] | kormoc: | [R], chanid, starttime |
| [05:43:03] | biffhero: | our fresh logfiles might be interesting. |
| [05:43:09] | kormoc: | [R], it's the primary key that is pretty much universal to myth |
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| [05:43:37] | mzb_ is now known as mzb | |
| [05:43:42] | [R]: | hrm, doesn't look too bad |
| [05:46:19] | [R]: | wagnerrp: can i get the name of the constants as a string in python... like the JOBSTATUS.RUNNING, if i have the value, can i get "RUNNING"? |
| [05:46:59] | wagnerrp: | no, not at the moment |
| [05:47:38] | [R]: | hrm |
| [05:51:35] | ericwait: | biffhero: sorry for the delay (baby needed atten) so are you saying to run mythtv-setup without it starting the backend? is that possible? |
| [05:52:48] | biffhero: | I thought at the end of the mythtv-setup, it would ask you if you wanted to start the backend. |
| [05:52:59] | biffhero: | if it's running, don't worry about it. |
| [05:53:04] | ericwait: | nope just if i wanted to fill |
| [05:53:05] | biffhero: | is it running? |
| [05:53:26] | ericwait: | yep |
| [05:53:41] | ericwait: | per ps auxw | grep -i backend |
| [05:54:13] | biffhero: | ok. same as before. can't "telnet localhost 6543" ?? |
| [05:54:40] | ericwait: | correct |
| [05:54:44] | ericwait: | i cannot |
| [05:54:59] | biffhero: | k. stop the backend, rm the logfiles, and start the backend. |
| [05:55:08] | ericwait: | oh wait... |
| [05:55:12] | biffhero: | you know how to stop and start the backend by hand? oh? |
| [05:55:58] | ericwait: | just looked at the log file and it is saying that it cannot find the mysql server on [old ip address] |
| [05:56:11] | ericwait: | why is this dif than the one in the setup? |
| [05:56:17] | biffhero: | that might be it. |
| [05:56:49] | biffhero: | I heard today in another channel that there was both "mysql.txt" and "config.xml" files that were interesting, and needed to be the same. |
| [05:56:55] | biffhero: | do you have a mythtv user? |
| [05:57:05] | biffhero: | /home/mythtv |
| [05:57:31] | ericwait: | yes |
| [05:57:47] | biffhero: | here's two files on mine. /home/mythtv/.mythtv/ with both mysql.txt and config.xml in them. |
| [05:58:53] | ericwait: | both have the old ip address, i'm guessing they should be changed |
| [05:59:30] | biffhero: | give it a shot. |
| [05:59:37] | biffhero: | I don't have IP addys in any of mine. |
| [05:59:52] | [R]: | wagnerrp: damn taht was easy... i got the list of current recording and the jobqueue |
| [05:59:59] | biffhero: | DBHostName=localhost is in my mysql.txt file. |
| [06:00:02] | biffhero: | first line. |
| [06:01:07] | ericwait: | first off that was stupid |
| [06:01:07] | ericwait: | second off: HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [06:01:41] | biffhero: | all better? |
| [06:02:19] | ericwait: | well I will see if all of my iptables wreaks it again, but at least I have a good starting point. THANK YOU |
| [06:02:27] | biffhero: | NP. |
| [06:02:33] | ** Beirdo waves the language trout at [R] ** | |
| [06:02:42] | [R]: | Beirdo: lol |
| [06:02:55] | [R]: | Beirdo: i'd eat it... but i hate fish... specially trouts |
| [06:03:14] | rileyp: | bah cant upgrade to 0.24 |
| [06:03:24] | biffhero: | rileyp: ?? |
| [06:03:26] | rileyp: | database wont play cricket |
| [06:03:47] | Beirdo: | mmmm, trout |
| [06:03:49] | rileyp: | it is me |
| [06:04:02] | Beirdo: | salmon and trout, both delicious fishies |
| [06:04:04] | rileyp: | flat head is best eating fish |
| [06:04:07] | [R]: | Beirdo: yuk |
| [06:04:16] | biffhero: | yeah, all good. |
| [06:04:30] | ** Gibby agrees with rileyp, could go for some deep fried flathead nuggets ** | |
| [06:04:35] | Beirdo: | [R]: you stay away from the PNW with that attitude |
| [06:04:41] | [R]: | Beirdo: pnw? |
| [06:04:47] | Gibby: | pacific northwest |
| [06:04:55] | Beirdo: | Pacific North-West, silly |
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| [06:05:16] | Beirdo: | aka, where I live :) |
| [06:05:22] | biffhero: | The best fish is the fish on my plate. |
| [06:05:23] | [R]: | oh |
| [06:05:34] | [R]: | you live in warshington? |
| [06:05:38] | Beirdo: | best fish is the one in ma belly! |
| [06:05:43] | rileyp: | I have a backup of my old database and I have a new one running |
| [06:05:45] | Beirdo: | yeah, Seattle |
| [06:06:01] | ** Gibby used to live in Port Orached ** | |
| [06:06:10] | rileyp: | all i want to save is the recordings I could live with fresh sett up of the rest |
| [06:06:35] | rileyp: | can anyone be so kind as to a link or something |
| [06:06:40] | [R]: | a link of what |
| [06:06:47] | Beirdo: | to not like salmon... is almost sacriledge :) An attitude best kept to one's self around here. |
| [06:07:06] | [R]: | Beirdo: my parents used to force it when i was younger... its so gross |
| [06:07:12] | biffhero: | rileyp: someone made a script to bring in recordings. look for a removable devices script. |
| [06:07:17] | [R]: | Beirdo: alothough i do like smoked salmon |
| [06:07:21] | Beirdo: | gross? You meaned the canned crap? |
| [06:07:32] | Beirdo: | s/meaned/mean/ |
| [06:07:36] | [R]: | no, like lox |
| [06:07:38] | [R]: | for bagels |
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| [06:07:46] | rileyp: | a how to as the how to Ive used in the past is frowned upon here |
| [06:07:50] | Beirdo: | They forced lox on you?! |
| [06:07:53] | [R]: | no, lox is good |
| [06:08:02] | rileyp: | as its not technachly correct and creates isses |
| [06:08:04] | Beirdo: | OK, I was thinking... holy.. |
| [06:08:06] | [R]: | they used to force like me to eat salmon filets |
| [06:08:16] | Beirdo: | ah, yer missing out |
| [06:08:26] | rileyp: | this is myth not fysh....................:D |
| [06:08:56] | Beirdo: | hahah. Helps if I make install |
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| [06:09:20] | Beirdo: | I was like "I just FIXED that bug" |
| [06:09:28] | Beirdo: | oooh, forgot to make install |
| [06:09:30] | rileyp: | biffhero, enlighten me please |
| [06:09:30] | Beirdo: | sigh |
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| [06:10:57] | biffhero: | rileyp: http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/tips/migrate-recordings.html |
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| [06:11:14] | Beirdo: | GAH |
| [06:11:20] | [R]: | :( i really hope my remote comes this week |
| [06:11:24] | Beirdo: | I wish we could delete that site |
| [06:11:41] | Beirdo: | that is ancient garbage |
| [06:11:55] | biffhero: | rileyp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Questions search for "how do i import" |
| [06:12:06] | Beirdo: | THAT's better ;) |
| [06:12:17] | [R]: | i love how osd fade works on 0.24 |
| [06:12:28] | biffhero: | Beirdo: lmgtfY |
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| [06:13:07] | Beirdo: | biffhero: the mythpvr.com site is not good. It has caused many a messed up setup |
| [06:13:13] | biffhero: | ah, thanks. |
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| [06:13:28] | Beirdo: | it may have been good at some point ;) |
| [06:14:12] | [R]: | i should make a franken-theme |
| [06:14:40] | ** Beirdo wishes he had another i7 for a devel box ** | |
| [06:14:53] | ** [R] ponders what aspect ratio animal cops is ** | |
| [06:14:54] | rileyp: | biffhero, yep thats the thread that has ruined my life |
| [06:14:59] | [R]: | its got sidebars... but not big enough to be 4:3 |
| [06:15:39] | rileyp: | Beirdo told me its all bad that thread a few months ago IIRC |
| [06:15:56] | biffhero: | but there's good instructions on mythtv.org site. |
| [06:16:08] | biffhero: | must go to bed. night all. |
| [06:16:27] | biffhero: | Beirdo: I also am on the west coast, but I get up at 6am to be at work by 7:15. :-P |
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| [06:16:49] | rileyp: | just looking at the mythconverg.restorepl documentation and it has an option of partial upgrade that may be the one for me |
| [06:17:20] | biffhero: | rileyp: what happened with "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" w/in ubuntu? |
| [06:19:04] | Beirdo: | sphery could likely give more details on the proper import script (I think) |
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| [06:19:26] | rileyp: | biff ive done that and all the programs are good up . eg all 0.24 |
| [06:19:30] | rileyp: | ./mythconverg_restore.pl --partial restore --directory=/home/mythtv --filename mythconverg-1264–20101130143141.sql.gz --verbose |
| [06:19:59] | ** [R] doesn't trust scripts ** | |
| [06:20:02] | [R]: | i did a partial restore by hand |
| [06:20:11] | rileyp: | thats the one im going to try in a second as it cant do the whole lot as i get errors |
| [06:20:37] | rileyp: | [R], was that using mysql commands? |
| [06:20:52] | Beirdo: | [R]: you are insane |
| [06:20:57] | [R]: | Beirdo: i try |
| [06:21:08] | [R]: | rileyp: a little bit of mysql, a little bit of phpmyadmin, and a whole lot o love |
| [06:21:34] | Beirdo: | not recommended |
| [06:21:42] | rileyp: | err ok sounds too techy for m me |
| [06:21:44] | [R]: | i would never recommedn that |
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| [06:21:56] | biffhero: | rileyp: the ubuntu upgrade didn't run the proper upgrade scripts? |
| [06:22:03] | [R]: | rileyp: most people trust scripts i think |
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| [06:23:50] | biffhero: | I trust /etc/init.d/rc |
| [06:24:24] | wagnerrp: | people put too much trust in scripts |
| [06:24:51] | wagnerrp: | part of the goodness of statically typed, compiled languages is that theyre hard to write |
| [06:25:02] | [R]: | http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2355/1stscreen.png |
| [06:25:04] | [R]: | recursion |
| [06:25:07] | [R]: | i think my head almost exploded |
| [06:25:15] | wagnerrp: | theres a lot of checking in the compiling and linking, and if you do something wrong, it segfaults obviously |
| [06:25:40] | wagnerrp: | its /hard/, meaning compiled languages tend to indicate the programmer has some inkling what theyre doing |
| [06:25:46] | wagnerrp: | scripts are fast and easy |
| [06:26:04] | [R]: | wagnerrp: that's what she said |
| [06:26:23] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [06:26:35] | Beirdo: | I have the first run at windows support checked in |
| [06:26:39] | Beirdo: | not compiled yet |
| [06:26:41] | rileyp: | im trying mythconverg_restore with the swithes --with_plugin_data and --partial_restore |
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| [06:27:42] | biffhero: | r: is that a new theme, the recursion screen? |
| [06:28:29] | [R]: | biffhero: from the ml |
| [06:28:43] | Beirdo: | A Spanish theme |
| [06:28:50] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:28:59] | Beirdo: | well, IN Spanish anyways |
| [06:29:01] | [R]: | http://www.thepetersclan.com/files/images/scr . . . 16-57-47.jpg |
| [06:29:05] | [R]: | that one is kinda spooky |
| [06:29:18] | biffhero: | yeah, no WAF for that one. |
| [06:29:25] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [06:29:34] | Beirdo: | get a wife who's a metal-head |
| [06:29:42] | biffhero: | with tats and all! |
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| [06:30:03] | rileyp: | Restored 3321 of 3368 lines. Successfully restored backup. now to see if it worked.... |
| [06:31:00] | Beirdo: | now... to find that message where the guy was doing windows cross-compiles :) |
| [06:32:16] | rileyp: | Couldn't upgrade database to new schema, exiting. |
| [06:32:20] | rileyp: | bah |
| [06:32:43] | biffhero: | rileyp: there's a schemaver value in that DB somewhere, I bet. ;-P |
| [06:33:23] | [R]: | woah... those fonts are too small |
| [06:33:24] | [R]: | even for me |
| [06:35:09] | rileyp: | Error: Unable to find any Storage Group Directories. |
| [06:35:14] | [R]: | so fix it |
| [06:35:21] | rileyp: | Waiting for Database Backup to complete. |
| [06:35:22] | Beirdo: | http://www.thepetersclan.com/files/images/scr . . . 16-57-47.jpg |
| [06:35:44] | Beirdo: | dangit |
| [06:35:53] | [R]: | Beirdo: what? |
| [06:35:57] | Beirdo: | bumped the mouse button |
| [06:36:35] | rileyp: | Not allowed to upgrade the database. |
| [06:37:04] | rileyp: | run mythtv-setup with sudo should I? |
| [06:37:17] | [R]: | mythtv-setup doestn need root... |
| [06:38:44] | rileyp: | 4.514 No current database version? |
| [06:38:44] | rileyp: | 2010-11–30 17:37:54.521 MythTV database schema is old. Waiting to see if DB is being upgraded. |
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| [06:40:03] | rileyp: | Waiting for Database Backup to complete QWaitCondition: cv destroy failure: QWaitCondition: mutex destroy failure: |
| [06:40:34] | [R]: | sounds like its pretty corrupt |
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| [06:43:40] | biffhero: | it took bribes, gave alcohol to minors, etc. |
| [06:44:16] | rileyp: | so old database works fine on 0.23 i have a backup of my old db. I installed 0.24 and it wont upgrade |
| [06:44:47] | rileyp: | even attempting to do it with myth-converg_restore.pl |
| [06:45:14] | [R]: | what happens when you just run mythbackend with a fresh copy of the 23 db? |
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| [06:47:46] | Beirdo: | argh |
| [06:47:50] | Beirdo: | go figure |
| [06:47:59] | Beirdo: | I go to do a cross-compile |
| [06:48:07] | Beirdo: | fails trying to get freetype |
| [06:48:22] | Beirdo: | as Savannah got hacked and is down for maintenance |
| [06:49:48] | Beirdo: | No firm ETA for the return online yet (but during the week). |
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| [06:49:53] | Beirdo: | wunderbar |
| [06:52:58] | Beirdo: | good thing the same file is on sourceforge :) |
| [06:54:25] | wagnerrp: | [R]: that 'thepetersclan' theme looks awfully like graphite |
| [06:54:55] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: fair to say it's based on graphite (derivative of) |
| [06:55:26] | Beirdo: | and as long as it's stated as such, shouldn't be a problem :) |
| [06:55:34] | [R]: | and the osd is LOADED with info |
| [06:55:39] | [R]: | the problem is the font size is way too small |
| [06:55:45] | [R]: | it'd be nice if the fonts were bigger |
| [06:55:53] | Beirdo: | so make them bigger |
| [06:56:02] | biffhero: | ctrl-+ |
| [06:56:20] | [R]: | too much work |
| [06:56:25] | [R]: | i'll just stick with blue abstract |
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| [06:58:00] | Beirdo: | if you spent as much time tweaking it as you did complaining about it, you'd likely be done |
| [06:58:08] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:58:23] | Beirdo: | holy crap, I'm turning into my dad. |
| [07:03:53] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: in the backend command, why are you running doScan(GetVideoDirs()) instead of just doScanAll() |
| [07:11:21] | ** Beirdo watches qt4.7 source downloading ** | |
| [07:11:41] | Beirdo: | next I get to watch it get cross-compiled |
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| [07:15:50] | wagnerrp: | seems theres a wootoff tonight |
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| [07:22:13] | Beirdo: | oooh. |
| [07:22:25] | Beirdo: | I forgot to implement killing a process |
| [07:22:33] | ** Beirdo slaps himself ** | |
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| [07:27:39] | Beirdo: | OK, that's better |
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| [07:32:32] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, too bad woot is down for me :( |
| [07:32:58] | [R]: | i've never done woot before |
| [07:33:02] | [R]: | my sister got a bag of crap once |
| [07:33:06] | Beirdo: | the main page had an ammo box of war movies. |
| [07:33:11] | Beirdo: | not my thing. |
| [07:35:06] | [R]: | ffs |
| [07:35:09] | [R]: | why is irc full of idiots |
| [07:35:14] | [R]: | all i want to do is a simple unbind of nouveau |
| [07:35:20] | [R]: | why is it so hard for people to comprehend |
| [07:36:03] | kormoc: | I have no idea what you're talking about |
| [07:36:18] | kormoc: | Beirdo, now it's a fm transmitter for ipods |
| [07:36:18] | [R]: | kormoc: on the nouveau website, there is unstructions for unbinding and unloading it |
| [07:37:24] | kormoc: | You're gonna unbind my bakery? http://www.bakerynouveau.com/ |
| [07:37:48] | [R]: | kormoc: haha |
| [07:37:53] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: woot isnt down, its just being hammered by people repeatedly polling it at the end of the last item |
| [07:38:10] | [R]: | wagnerrp: THAT'S what she said |
| [07:38:31] | kormoc: | Yeah, I got a page up, wanted the item, hit I want one and it's timing out again |
| [07:41:58] | kormoc: | Yeah, can't even log in |
| [07:42:07] | kormoc: | poor woot switches |
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| [07:42:38] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: the fm transmitter? |
| [07:42:59] | kormoc: | Yeah |
| [07:43:06] | kormoc: | it was a good price and I could use it from time to time |
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| [07:44:02] | Beirdo: | kormoc: gotcha |
| [07:44:58] | Beirdo: | that would be useful if I had a car :) |
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| [07:45:14] | Beirdo: | well, one where I am |
| [07:46:23] | Beirdo: | neat that it does RDS too :) |
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| [08:00:57] | Beirdo: | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/9c89/ |
| [08:01:10] | Beirdo: | crazy people |
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| [08:13:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, those have been around for years |
| [08:14:45] | ServerSage: | Hey folks, I'm seeing this in my backend logs over and over and over non-stop. All frontends are off, only system on is my backend. I have apache shut off as well. http://pastebin.com/QPtF6qnC |
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| [08:15:27] | [R]: | ServerSage: well something is connecting to it |
| [08:16:15] | wagnerrp: | specifically, something from 0.23 |
| [08:16:15] | ServerSage: | [R]: Couldn't have said it better myself. :) How in the world do I track down what it is? Perhaps I could bump up the debug info to get more info? |
| [08:16:49] | wagnerrp: | running every ten minutes... check your cron |
| [08:17:15] | ServerSage: | wagnerrp: Every 10 seconds actually. |
| [08:17:33] | wagnerrp: | oh, right |
| [08:17:39] | wagnerrp: | thats got to be a frontend or backend somewhere |
| [08:17:58] | wagnerrp: | ps ax | grep myth |
| [08:18:17] | ServerSage: | ps aux | grep -i myth only shows the backend. |
| [08:18:58] | ServerSage: | Maybe I have a laptop in the house hiding behind a couch that is tormenting me. |
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| [08:23:40] | [R]: | i'd say check netstat |
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| [08:23:55] | ServerSage: | [R]: Good one. |
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| [08:26:28] | ServerSage: | [R]: Thanks, that tracked it down. |
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| [08:33:04] | rileyp: | WriteAudio: buffer underrun what does this mean |
| [08:38:37] | rileyp: | When upgrading from say 23 to 0.24 its a matter of updating the repo and upgrading the all the files to 0.24 then opening mythfrontend and it should do the db update automatically? |
| [08:38:50] | wagnerrp: | s/frontend/backend/ |
| [08:39:00] | rileyp: | as when I attempt this it all turns sour |
| [08:39:05] | Beirdo: | backend or mythtv-setup |
| [08:41:43] | rileyp: | Ii tried that first and that did'nt work either . My db is mix and match mess from various other db upgrades over the last 12 months. |
| [08:42:35] | rileyp: | http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/tips/migrate-recordings.html is the website I have used to follow in the past for upgrades |
| [08:43:21] | ServerSage: | rileyp: So….what is happening? |
| [08:43:34] | rileyp: | It must of been sphery that advised to me never use that site as its wrong......... |
| [08:43:40] | Beirdo: | rileyp: as I said before. bad |
| [08:44:24] | rileyp: | well Ive gone back to 0.23 fixes as the db wont update. |
| [08:44:53] | Beirdo: | likely as it got borked by earlier borked updates |
| [08:44:56] | ServerSage: | rileyp: Does it just say "db won't update" or is there some info in the log files? |
| [08:45:00] | rileyp: | ive tried using mythconverg_backup and restore.pl |
| [08:45:57] | rileyp: | ServerSage, there was info in the logs but as Beirdo says its borked by earlier borks |
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| [08:46:41] | ServerSage: | rileyp: Have you tried repairing the db? |
| [08:47:08] | rileyp: | in 0.23 fixes it works |
| [08:47:12] | Beirdo: | there might be some way to get around the borkage, but I'm not the right person to help with that part |
| [08:48:08] | rileyp: | ServerSage, Id love to repair it but I dont know how. |
| [08:48:22] | ServerSage: | rileyp: Have you tried the optimize_mythdb.pl script? |
| [08:48:55] | Beirdo: | well, what does it log? (pastebin is likely best) |
| [08:48:59] | rileyp: | yes and mythweb's offerings |
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| [08:50:20] | rileyp: | Ill see if i can find some log info |
| [08:50:35] | ServerSage: | rileyp: Unfortunately, I don't know anything else to suggest. If that script doesn't fix your issue, and your db is borked, it's way outside my comfort zone. |
| [08:53:21] | toeb: | my backend keeps repeating: "ThreadPool:HTTP: thread pool exhausted (max 25 threads)" |
| [08:56:52] | Beirdo: | toeb: yeah, you are out of threads |
| [08:57:24] | Beirdo: | you can increase the limit (or just restart the backend) |
| [08:57:49] | Beirdo: | that chunk of code is being reworked by the guy who originally wrote it, hopefully he'll be done soon |
| [08:58:45] | Beirdo: | one way to avoid it as much as you can... in your browser (where you use mythweb), limit the number of parallel connections |
| [08:58:49] | toeb: | k, and this will go to 24 fixes? |
| [08:59:15] | Beirdo: | not sure if he's planning on backporting it or not, but it might be possible |
| [08:59:34] | Beirdo: | I run my backend at 30 threads and I STILL run out at times |
| [09:00:08] | toeb: | will the backend recover after some time on its own? |
| [09:00:16] | toeb: | or do i need to restart? |
| [09:00:18] | wagnerrp: | eventually |
| [09:00:21] | Beirdo: | usually when using mythweb (doing many many preview updates) and a UPnP client |
| [09:00:26] | Beirdo: | it should eventually, yes |
| [09:00:55] | toeb: | jep it was mytweb loading the recordet programs page i think |
| [09:01:15] | Beirdo: | yeah, that has a tendency of hitting the backend hard |
| [09:01:24] | rileyp: | This is scary http://pastebin.com/9iqPRyGr I have played a little though...... |
| [09:01:32] | Beirdo: | your browser should let you limit the concurrent connections in the mean time |
| [09:02:25] | rileyp: | Table 'mythconverg.jobqueue' doesn't exist.... lots of stuff like this |
| [09:03:35] | rileyp: | Table 'mythconverg.settings' doesn't exist table 'mythconverg.oldfind' doesn't exist |
| [09:03:55] | rileyp: | theres probably 100 things like that |
| [09:04:00] | Beirdo: | look at line 3771 |
| [09:04:18] | toeb: | Beirdo: do you know if this will break my upcomming recordings? Backend is currently recording and it will again record something, so i miss the window to restart probably.. |
| [09:04:25] | wagnerrp: | rileyp: that sounds like a corrupted database |
| [09:04:50] | Beirdo: | toeb: hmmm, I don't think it should, but I'm not sure |
| [09:05:10] | Beirdo: | give it 15min or so after the mythweb stuff has stopped, and it should recover |
| [09:05:31] | Beirdo: | I think |
| [09:05:49] | toeb: | k, ill try that |
| [09:05:53] | Beirdo: | you can test the theory by hitting the status page on mythweb (makes ONE call) |
| [09:06:12] | toeb: | Firefox is set to network.http.max-connections-per-server;15 |
| [09:06:18] | Beirdo: | jeez |
| [09:06:22] | Beirdo: | way way too much |
| [09:06:31] | Beirdo: | for this use :) |
| [09:06:35] | toeb: | hehe |
| [09:06:43] | toeb: | what are you using? |
| [09:06:58] | Beirdo: | try that at 5 and it will load slower, but shouldn't tip over the backend |
| [09:07:02] | Beirdo: | I use chrome |
| [09:07:08] | Beirdo: | it also hits too hard |
| [09:08:03] | Beirdo: | and I havent' botherd to tweak it |
| [09:08:13] | Beirdo: | I'd try 5 or maybe 10 |
| [09:08:33] | toeb: | ok |
| [09:08:39] | Beirdo: | but 15 persistant connections (as keep-alive is what's causing the issue on the server side) is a bit much :) |
| [09:08:51] | wagnerrp: | wow... they just gave someone a subway sandwich as a gift on Chuck |
| [09:08:53] | kormoc: | firefox 2.x was defaulted to 8 |
| [09:09:04] | wagnerrp: | thats almost as bad product placement as heroes |
| [09:09:13] | rileyp: | wagnerrp, yes it is I suppose I should cut my losses and run mythlink.pl and put all my pre today recordings in mythvideo and start afresh |
| [09:09:30] | wagnerrp: | rileyp: better to revert to your backend, and try again |
| [09:09:34] | Beirdo: | kormoc: ahhh, that's why it's worse now? |
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| [09:09:54] | Beirdo: | it's being redone anyways |
| [09:10:04] | rileyp: | I have reverted my backend to 0.23 fixes and Im watching live as i type |
| [09:10:05] | Beirdo: | I hope it gets into trunk soon :) |
| [09:10:14] | kormoc: | yeah, they bumped it to 15 for FF 3.x |
| [09:10:26] | kormoc: | and there's rumors of another bump to 25 |
| [09:10:32] | Beirdo: | wha? |
| [09:10:34] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [09:10:45] | Beirdo: | oh that will kill the backend real fast :) |
| [09:10:57] | Beirdo: | before rewrite anyways :) |
| [09:11:56] | wagnerrp: | at least a meatball sub is delicious, rather than a hideously ugly nissan abomination |
| [09:11:57] | Beirdo: | it will have to be fixed anyways. This is kinda lame as it is :) |
| [09:12:09] | Beirdo: | mmmm, meatball sub |
| [09:12:34] | Beirdo: | gah |
| [09:12:43] | Beirdo: | old recordings... pre-election |
| [09:13:02] | Beirdo: | Stop it with the Rossi vs Murray crap already. :) |
| [09:13:08] | Beirdo: | stupid timeshifting |
| [09:13:37] | waxhead__ is now known as waxhead | |
| [09:13:52] | waxhead: | any mythbuntu users in here? |
| [09:14:12] | rileyp: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#setupdb here it says cd database |
| [09:14:15] | Beirdo: | probalby |
| [09:14:20] | ServerSage: | waxhead: Most likley. |
| [09:14:23] | rileyp: | is that in mysql? |
| [09:14:40] | rileyp: | yes i am a buntu user |
| [09:14:51] | rileyp: | mythbuntu that is |
| [09:14:58] | waxhead: | OK, so has anyone enabled the MythTv-Updates? |
| [09:15:21] | waxhead: | I'm wondering if I can do it without hours of reconfiguration getting remotes etc to work again.. :) |
| [09:15:30] | waxhead: | Which is why I've held off upgrading to 10.10 |
| [09:15:34] | wagnerrp: | crap... is this a john mclain episode? |
| [09:15:43] | wagnerrp: | well, it worked for stargate |
| [09:15:48] | rileyp: | your remote wont work in 10.10 anyway lirc is broken |
| [09:15:56] | rileyp: | well was 2 weeks ah\go when i tried it |
| [09:16:19] | ServerSage: | waxhead: I went from 10.04 to 10.10 and everything went just ducky. I also did a fresh install of 10.10 on a mac mini 4,1 and had no issues. |
| [09:16:29] | ServerSage: | waxhead: My backend still runs 10.04 though. |
| [09:16:50] | waxhead: | ServerSage, I'm running a combined front/back end |
| [09:16:55] | ServerSage: | rileyp: Ummm, lirc works perfect on my 10.10 frontends. |
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| [09:17:22] | ServerSage: | waxhead: I can't speak to 10.10 on the backend, I haven't had an opportunity to pull it down and do the magical dist-upgrade. |
| [09:17:40] | waxhead: | I also have an AE ORigin box, which has some odd IR Reciever in it, which always causes me pain... |
| [09:18:23] | rileyp: | well my dvico remote worked in lucid but not in maverick |
| [09:18:24] | waxhead: | so I keep doing stuff until the pain stops, but hten it starts again next upgrade and I always promise to document what I did last time I had to do things |
| [09:18:29] | ServerSage: | waxhead: Backup your current system before you pull the trigger. |
| [09:19:22] | ServerSage: | rileyp: My homemade receiver worked out of the box, and my mac mini 4,1 receiver worked out of the box. Perhaps it's not a lirc issue but a hardware issue with the dvico. |
| [09:19:37] | rileyp: | waxhead just create another partition and put it there and try it out if its all good stop using lucid |
| [09:20:13] | Beirdo: | I think I'll just stick with what works |
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| [09:20:36] | Beirdo: | why I'd want to upgrade for no good reason, I dunno |
| [09:20:47] | rileyp: | I used the same hardware.conf and it just wouldnt play |
| [09:20:56] | waxhead: | 0.24 looks like it has some neato stuff in it though |
| [09:21:09] | ServerSage: | waxhead: You can install 0.24 on 10.04. |
| [09:21:21] | waxhead: | a mate of mine was showing me xmbc on his windows setup... that's pretty... |
| [09:21:26] | ServerSage: | waxhead: dpkg-reconfigure mythbuntu-repos |
| [09:21:27] | Beirdo: | no, I mean, why upgrade from 10.04 |
| [09:21:28] | rileyp: | always have a spare partition on your drive for playing.... |
| [09:21:39] | waxhead: | he's a died in the wool MS fanboi.. so he was just amazed at it.. |
| [09:22:05] | waxhead: | ServerSage, I think I'm already at 0.24, I think I had to do something in the last upgrade cycle... |
| [09:22:27] | ServerSage: | waxhead: If it works, don't mess with it then. If 10.04 is workign for you, why bump to 10.10? |
| [09:22:40] | ServerSage: | waxhead: I did it because the mac mini 4,1 under 10.04 was tragic at best. |
| [09:22:53] | waxhead: | how do I get the version of mythtv? |
| [09:22:57] | waxhead: | form the commandline? |
| [09:23:07] | ServerSage: | apt-show-version |
| [09:23:13] | Beirdo: | huh? |
| [09:23:21] | Beirdo: | mythbackend --version |
| [09:23:22] | ** waxhead just discovered he's not got round to writing any backup scripts for the media server ** | |
| [09:23:37] | waxhead: | thanks! |
| [09:23:53] | waxhead: | oh.. branches/0.23 |
| [09:23:53] | ServerSage: | Or that. |
| [09:24:29] | ServerSage: | waxhead: I see a dpkg-reconfigure in your future if you want 0.24. :) |
| [09:25:00] | waxhead: | ServerSage, yep.. same.. I'm looking at this: http://mythbuntu.org/repos |
| [09:25:19] | rileyp: | NVP(0): Prebuffer wait timed out 30 times. ??? |
| [09:25:36] | rileyp: | what does it mean? |
| [09:25:56] | ServerSage: | waxhead: That'll get ya there. |
| [09:26:04] | rileyp: | WriteAudio: buffer underrun i get alot of these too |
| [09:26:17] | Beirdo: | Qt SUCKETH |
| [09:26:48] | Beirdo: | I have my ssh window at 80x50 |
| [09:26:58] | rileyp: | Mixer unable to find control Master 1 this comes up repeatedly as well |
| [09:27:03] | Beirdo: | a compile command line overfills the screen |
| [09:27:09] | Beirdo: | (compiling Qt) |
| [09:27:57] | rileyp: | its on my backend which i rarely use for tv . only when Im fiddling |
| [09:28:28] | rileyp: | its a gma 950 intel onboard thing |
| [09:28:50] | ServerSage: | rileyp: lmgtfy |
| [09:29:08] | ServerSage: | rileyp: http://tinyurl.com/25rln4y |
| [09:35:44] | toeb: | I also seeing the RingBuf complaining some times: "Waited 2.0 seconds for data to become available ... 20624 < 32768" |
| [09:35:53] | toeb: | is this something to worry about? |
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| [09:40:22] | wagnerrp: | heh... woot died |
| [09:41:01] | ServerSage: | wagnerrp: Ouchy. Were they having a woot-off? |
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| [10:02:15] | Beirdo: | wonder what would happen if I put in a bug saying that mythweb doesn't work right under elserv |
| [10:02:18] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [10:02:26] | Beirdo: | not that I'd ever use that thing |
| [10:02:59] | Beirdo: | I think I'd get royally trouted |
| [10:03:29] | wagnerrp: | kormoc would drive over to your house, kill you, and dump your lifeless body in Elliott Bay |
| [10:04:08] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [10:04:29] | Beirdo: | I wouldn't put it past him... or he'd give me the ticket and make me fix it |
| [10:04:32] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [10:04:40] | Beirdo: | not sure which would be worse |
| [10:04:54] | wagnerrp: | hey, maybe you could rewrite it in python |
| [10:05:05] | Beirdo: | me? python?! |
| [10:05:08] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [10:05:18] | wagnerrp: | you... dont get the reference? |
| [10:05:25] | Beirdo: | more likely Ruby on Rails... really make him cringe |
| [10:05:30] | Beirdo: | yeah, I do :) |
| [10:05:45] | wagnerrp: | i think that did happen during your absent period |
| [10:05:54] | Beirdo: | just before, IIRC |
| [10:06:00] | Beirdo: | just before I got back rather |
| [10:06:19] | wagnerrp: | no, this was years ago |
| [10:06:31] | wagnerrp: | pre-0.22 |
| [10:06:38] | Beirdo: | heh, well, he dug it up easily enough then :) |
| [10:08:20] | wagnerrp: | how have i never heard of the LFL before? |
| [10:08:28] | Beirdo: | cross-compile is humming along |
| [10:08:41] | Beirdo: | Linux Football League? |
| [10:08:49] | wagnerrp: | close, but not quite |
| [10:09:03] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [10:09:11] | Beirdo: | yeah, surprised you haven't |
| [10:09:27] | Beirdo: | not that I've watched any games, but I had heard of em |
| [10:09:45] | waxhead: | ServerSage, done the first part.. just need to select which version to upgrade to |
| [10:09:50] | wagnerrp: | well your city has a team |
| [10:09:57] | wagnerrp: | closest one around here is 6hrs away |
| [10:10:14] | Beirdo: | hehe, wonder if they are better or worse than the Seahawks |
| [10:11:08] | Beirdo: | on MTV2 friday nights. |
| [10:11:09] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [10:11:20] | wagnerrp: | the league is marketed toward 'mostly beer-drinking college students aged 21 and up' |
| [10:11:35] | waxhead: | cool.. BD support! |
| [10:11:40] | Beirdo: | haha, Seatle's team is 0–3 |
| [10:11:47] | Beirdo: | figures. Well they fit right in |
| [10:12:55] | wagnerrp: | maybe its just me, but the jumper cables on woot just dont seem like they would do the job |
| [10:13:39] | wagnerrp: | the gage on those wires... they cant be good for more than 30–40A |
| [10:13:58] | wagnerrp: | i suppose thats fine when youre only using them for a couple seconds |
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| [10:14:34] | wagnerrp: | copper-clad aluminum... |
| [10:14:39] | ServerSage: | wagnerrp: They look thin, but claim to be 8 gauge, which isn't horrid. |
| [10:14:56] | Beirdo: | crap-clad crap |
| [10:15:38] | Beirdo: | bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling |
| [10:16:40] | wagnerrp: | thats pretty bad |
| [10:16:45] | ServerSage: | Is it just me, or did the LPCM option in the audio setup disappear? |
| [10:16:51] | wagnerrp: | i think my jumper cables have at least one zero |
| [10:17:48] | Beirdo: | 000? |
| [10:18:30] | Beirdo: | hook up a chuck of barely flexible rebar with clamps on the end... and with insulation |
| [10:18:39] | Beirdo: | chunk rather |
| [10:19:10] | ServerSage: | Beirdo: I'd rather wait 2 minutes for my batter to charge than have to try and unwrap 000 gauge jumpers when it's −20 outside. hehe. |
| [10:19:15] | Beirdo: | I exaggerate, of course |
| [10:19:25] | ServerSage: | battery even. |
| [10:20:01] | Beirdo: | bah, it's only about 1cm in diameter |
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| [10:20:30] | wagnerrp: | here we go... an alternate site says those jumpers are only 12-gage |
| [10:20:55] | Beirdo: | rated for 25 amps or so then |
| [10:20:55] | ServerSage: | Those cables were like 7 items ago on woot, why are we still discussing them? lol |
| [10:20:58] | Beirdo: | crrrrap |
| [10:21:37] | Beirdo: | I'll go with 000, and get the 200amp or so capacity, thanks :) |
| [10:21:40] | wagnerrp: | ServerSage: just because they were 7 items ago doesnt mean they were more than 10 minutes ago |
| [10:21:47] | Beirdo: | all the better to electrocute you with |
| [10:22:14] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: if youre gonna do it, do it right and get it over with fast right? |
| [10:22:22] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [10:22:44] | Beirdo: | and imagine the nice arcs you can make when you mess up :) |
| [10:22:52] | Beirdo: | ka POW |
| [10:22:59] | ServerSage: | Why are all laptop screens glossy these days? I mean, do people actually *like* glossy displays? |
| [10:23:09] | wagnerrp: | dad had a battery blow up on him once from that |
| [10:23:10] | Beirdo: | none of this wussy fizzly spark nonsense |
| [10:23:18] | Beirdo: | dang |
| [10:23:22] | Beirdo: | that sucks |
| [10:23:35] | Beirdo: | it was producing hydrogen? |
| [10:23:41] | wagnerrp: | ServerSage: because it looks pretty... right up until you have a light behind you |
| [10:23:53] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: yeah, H2 gas flare |
| [10:24:02] | Beirdo: | eek |
| [10:24:07] | wagnerrp: | singed him a bit, nothing permanent |
| [10:24:08] | ServerSage: | wagnerrp: behind you, beside you, above you, near you, in the next room, or if you are thinking about light at all. |
| [10:24:25] | wagnerrp: | ServerSage: no... |
| [10:24:37] | wagnerrp: | the matte screens are affected if there is any light |
| [10:24:40] | ServerSage: | I've been shopping around for a decent high-end laptop with a matte display. I'm convinced they don't exist. |
| [10:24:52] | wagnerrp: | the glossy screens are affected if there is directly reflected light |
| [10:24:52] | Beirdo: | car batteries are a world of hurt... lead... sulphuric acid... hydrogen-producing... and high amperage electricity. |
| [10:25:00] | Beirdo: | now what could possibly go wrong there |
| [10:25:05] | wagnerrp: | except... there will almost always be a directly reflected source |
| [10:25:47] | wagnerrp: | his current car, the battery its tucked into the frame |
| [10:25:55] | wagnerrp: | hes got to open up the wheel well to replace it |
| [10:26:00] | ServerSage: | wagnerrp: I beg to differ. My matte display has no issue with light. Granted, I don't sit outside in the sun, but I never have issues with reflections at all. My glossy display laptop on the other hand gives me whopping headaches unless I'm in a sensory depravation chamber. |
| [10:26:01] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [10:26:06] | Beirdo: | sounds like a Prius |
| [10:26:32] | wagnerrp: | solstice... they put jump posts on the top of the engine for when you need to use them |
| [10:26:42] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [10:26:43] | wagnerrp: | would eat a prius up |
| [10:27:02] | Beirdo: | in the Prius, the 12V battery is in the side of the trunk |
| [10:27:19] | Beirdo: | they have posts under the hood for jump-starting only |
| [10:27:37] | wagnerrp: | yeah, previous car, the battery was in the trunk |
| [10:27:57] | Beirdo: | and the Prius will pass the Solstice while it's in getting the tank filled :) |
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| [10:28:35] | Beirdo: | argh |
| [10:28:48] | Beirdo: | superm just put in a pull request... we ain't ready yet :) |
| [10:28:52] | wagnerrp: | yeah... i wonder how the prius would do at 90 with everything running full tilt just to keep up |
| [10:29:40] | Beirdo: | 90MPH? |
| [10:30:06] | Beirdo: | I only got ours up to about 75MPH (don't tell the PR cops) and it was averaging about 55MPG |
| [10:30:24] | Beirdo: | no longer my car. |
| [10:30:25] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [10:30:46] | wagnerrp: | took it down to cumberland and back between 80–90 the whole way, with the top down |
| [10:30:52] | wagnerrp: | still managed about 30 |
| [10:30:56] | Beirdo: | got my Yaris up to around that too... it still did it's usual 35MPG |
| [10:31:09] | eyeoh: | speeding bad |
| [10:31:12] | Beirdo: | speed limit's 65 on the expressways |
| [10:31:15] | Beirdo: | pfft |
| [10:31:16] | wagnerrp: | why is speeding bad? |
| [10:31:26] | eyeoh: | why is bad bad |
| [10:31:40] | Beirdo: | if I were in Ontario, I would be cruising at 80+ MPH in a 60MPG zone and not think twice |
| [10:31:44] | wagnerrp: | driving reckless is bad, speeding is just a tax |
| [10:31:49] | Beirdo: | Puerto Rico... heck no |
| [10:33:03] | wagnerrp: | i guarantee you that my reaction time and situational awareness at 90 is better than most drivers at 55 |
| [10:33:48] | wagnerrp: | i pay attention to the road, i consciously track the vehicles around me and try to predict what theyll do, i understand the limits of my car |
| [10:34:02] | wagnerrp: | im not futzing around with my BFF Jill on my phone |
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| [10:36:59] | wagnerrp: | when i see the same vehicles drive over the same potholes every single day, while driving under the speed limit, you cant tell me they have any idea what is going on around them |
| [10:37:30] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [10:37:58] | Beirdo: | I was doing 50MPH on highway 2 in PR while IRCing on my phone... and still was the most alert driver around |
| [10:39:51] | Beirdo: | /sbin/ldconfig.real: Can't create temporary cache file /etc/ld.so.cache~: Permission denied |
| [10:39:54] | Beirdo: | niice |
| [10:40:48] | Beirdo: | not sure why the cross-compile scripts just tried to tweak my ld.so |
| [10:40:53] | Beirdo: | but whatever :) |
| [10:40:56] | KaZeR: | hello there |
| [10:43:37] | ServerSage: | KaZeR: Yo? |
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| [10:50:09] | KaZeR: | is anyone here using channels with multiple audio streams? |
| [10:56:08] | Saviq: | KaZeR: ask your question, no metaquestions please |
| [10:56:46] | waxhead: | how much pain to go from 0.23.1 to 0.24? |
| [10:57:06] | Beirdo: | yay, cross-compile complete |
| [10:57:11] | Beirdo: | sleep time |
| [10:57:17] | KaZeR: | Saviq, sorry. |
| [10:57:35] | Beirdo: | tomorrow, I cross-compile the new mythsystem stuff :) |
| [10:57:48] | KaZeR: | how can i setup multiple audio streams for a single channel, and then how do i switch from one language to another? |
| [11:00:54] | Saviq: | KaZeR: at least in DVB, you don't set it up, just go to menu (M) while playing and select an audio stream |
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| [11:17:46] | KaZeR: | Saviq, thanks, i was looking for that yesterday but was unable to find it |
| [11:20:43] | Diverdude: | Does .EPS support raster graphics? |
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| [11:34:14] | simonckenyon: | does anyone have any idea what is causing #9137/#9161? i'm sure it is just a variable assignment, but cannot follow the code. it makes using live-tv a frustrating experience |
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| [12:31:10] | k-man: | any idea how i can get the lirc startup to call seterial before loading the lirc_serial kernel module? |
| [12:31:19] | kenni: | Diverdude, about HDHR EU version being obsolete, it's not true. I asked Silicondust yesterday and they said that it was the Dutch reseller at hdhomerun.net who had misunderstood something. They are out of stock, yes, but there's no new EU version on it's way. |
| [12:34:06] | Diverdude: | kenni, ahhh nice okay. Did you phone them? |
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| [12:36:32] | kenni: | Diverdude, I asked them on IRC |
| [12:37:06] | Diverdude: | kenni, ohh okay. did not know they were on IRC. Nice done. Thanks for the heads up :) |
| [12:37:58] | kenni: | so no reason to sell my brand new HDHR ;) |
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| [14:25:34] | sphery: | wonder if rileyp ever read the section on the backup/restore page that said not to use the partial restore |
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| [14:54:30] | Azelphur: | does anyone know how to get mythvideo in mythweb to work with regards to downloading videos? |
| [14:54:49] | Azelphur: | If I click on an episode it 404's |
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| [15:01:00] | Azelphur: | ah I see, it works via a symlink and doesn't work with storage groups |
| [15:01:40] | Azelphur: | I guess I'll do some magic symlink stuff to make it work with storage groups :) |
| [15:03:14] | toeb: | Azelphur: theres a python script in the wiki to do that |
| [15:03:33] | Azelphur: | haha I already did it, cp -sR and a cron job \o/ |
| [15:03:34] | Azelphur: | simple enough |
| [15:05:17] | toeb: | mh maybe the sript was for the recordings... it gives them nice names.. |
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| [15:37:37] | jarle: | uhm, I dropped the table program and eit_cache instead of just clearing the data, any help on how to re-create the tables? |
| [15:38:13] | Shadow__X: | restore from backup? |
| [15:38:56] | jarle: | Shadow__X: sure, I was just hoping someone might help me with the syntax |
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| [15:40:19] | Shadow__X: | jarle: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [15:40:31] | jarle: | Shadow__X: thnx |
| [15:44:00] | jarle: | Shadow__X: the restore script doesn't seem to be what I'm looking for, as all I want is just an empty program and eit_cache table |
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| [15:44:52] | Shadow__X: | jarle: are you talking about the create table syntax? |
| [15:45:00] | jarle: | Shadow__X: yes |
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| [15:45:30] | Shadow__X: | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mysql+create+table+syntax |
| [15:46:58] | jarle: | Shadow__X: I'm guessing I might find the correct create table syntax in the latest mythconverg backup also |
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| [15:51:01] | Shadow__X: | you can look at the table to see info about it |
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| [15:53:38] | Brad-D: | morn gang |
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| [15:57:58] | jarle: | Shadow__X: just copy'n'pasting the CREATE TABLE from the backup did the trick, thnx. |
| [16:04:19] | jamesd2: | is it just the newness factor or is it the benefit of plasma, that my new 50" plasma set has much more vibrant than my 3 year old 42" lcd ( that has a dieing power supply or something else it takes multiple attempts over a period of 2+ hours to turn it on) |
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| [16:11:34] | Shadow__X: | jamesd2: lcd has been improving but plasma still delivers a better picture |
| [16:12:01] | Shadow__X: | although it tends to not be as bright as lcd and has more of an issue with burn in |
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| [16:13:19] | jamesd2: | cool glad i found the deal i did, $699 for a local 50" lg plasma 1080p set, needed to be local and the 42" began having issues on saturday, and dad who has alzheimer would not of dealt well without tv needed to to get it locally. |
| [16:14:49] | jamesd2: | Shadow__X, if i wanted it brighter i could just enable "store demo aka torch mode) and it becomes very bright indeed, even in max energy star mode, its bright enough for the family. |
| [16:19:06] | biffhero: | Dad with alzheimer's. More power to you. |
| [16:19:23] | Shadow__X: | make sure they dont watch a channel that has a persistent logo |
| [16:19:38] | biffhero: | why? |
| [16:21:10] | jamesd2: | biffhero, yeah i know thanks, i wont dare expose him to mythtv, he allready accused me of programming the tv so that it played 50 commercials per hour and 200 sexual inuendo jokes per 30 minute show or some type of porn tape, and it was only CBS' prime time lineup.... 2 and a 1/2 men and how i met your mother... |
| [16:21:50] | biffhero: | yeah. 2 and 1/2 men _is_ pretty racy. |
| [16:21:56] | jamesd2: | Shadow__X, the reviews i have read all say that burn-in isn't much of an issue anymore. |
| [16:22:03] | biffhero: | But at least it's not faimly guy. |
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| [16:23:20] | jamesd2: | true |
| [16:26:27] | Shadow__X: | jamesd2: hmm i guess i would naturally still we weery but thats good that the tech has progressed |
| [16:28:02] | jamesd2: | Shadow__X, yes, i dont indend to play many screens for long, i guess perhaps ABC or other station logo on the bottom corner of the screen is the thing most likely to get burned in if anything. |
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| [16:39:38] | skd5aner: | yay... here's UPS man coming down my driveway with a 2TB drive in hand |
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| [16:44:19] | jamesd2: | i guess that wasn't a $70 black friday special, i debated about getting a couple but figured it was best to wait... |
| [16:45:29] | skd5aner: | jamesd2: actually, it was |
| [16:46:12] | skd5aner: | no, actually, it was the $79.99 newegg black friday special – the samsung |
| [16:46:30] | skd5aner: | the $69.99 special was the segate, and I wouldn't touch that one unless someone gave it to me |
| [16:46:52] | jamesd2: | wow that was some pretty quick shipping.. i always worry about having to wait 3 weeks or more just for the company to catch up with the flood or orders, but it won't be the first time that newegg surprises me... verry good company to order from |
| [16:47:08] | skd5aner: | Yea, never had a backlog from newegg really |
| [16:47:24] | skd5aner: | plus they shipped this from their memphis location, so I didn't have to wait for it to cross the entire continent to get to me |
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| [18:29:43] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: Exactly the right response to Udo, I think |
| [18:30:00] | iamlindoro: | professional, but to the point. If he just wants to argue after that then he can be safely written off |
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| [18:31:38] | Beirdo: | yeah, I'm tired of his ongoing baloney |
| [18:33:11] | Beirdo: | if he can't give us what we'd need to dig into the issue, it's pointless mouth-flapping, really :) |
| [18:36:20] | Beirdo: | and... as to how it can grow... :) new threads being started |
| [18:36:35] | Beirdo: | each thread takes memory for a stack |
| [18:38:44] | high-rez: | So is the HDMV stuff in trunk usable, or is it still 'private' ? |
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| [18:39:00] | Beirdo: | if it's in trunk, it's hardly private |
| [18:39:53] | high-rez: | s/private/isn't made public yet/ |
| [18:40:16] | Beirdo: | trunk is by definition public :) |
| [18:40:19] | iamlindoro: | If you don't see menus, it isn't ready for public use |
| [18:40:21] | wagnerrp: | its on a public repository |
| [18:40:32] | iamlindoro: | You can't test it without modifying code |
| [18:40:36] | iamlindoro: | and you shouldn't test it, period |
| [18:40:38] | wagnerrp: | s/public/general/ |
| [18:40:42] | Beirdo: | now, it may not be production quality yet, but I leave that to iamlindoro |
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| [18:40:46] | iamlindoro: | And you definitely shouldn't talk to me about it |
| [18:40:58] | high-rez: | Is there some sort of define one would need to modify to play with it ? |
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| [18:41:14] | iamlindoro: | please don't |
| [18:41:32] | iamlindoro: | And if you do, then you'll need to figure it out all by your lonesome |
| [18:41:43] | iamlindoro: | And please, please, please don't talk to me, or anyone else about it if you do |
| [18:41:47] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: do you have any intention of expanding the response of the video list update message? |
| [18:42:27] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I haven't really thought about it-- I would like to get to the point where new items can be dynamically inserted but I need to wrap my head around some more stuff before I can |
| [18:42:43] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: So what you're saying is, in essence, "please feel free to open bugs against this if it doesn't work, and while you're at it send me a /msg with the bug # so I can get on it right away?" |
| [18:42:52] | wagnerrp: | right now, it just sends that single affirmative response |
| [18:43:03] | wagnerrp: | in order to maintain the existing capability of the scanner in the bindings |
| [18:43:12] | iamlindoro: | high-rez: That would be an excellent method of snagging yourself a ban, yes |
| [18:43:19] | high-rez: | Fantastic. |
| [18:43:27] | wagnerrp: | im considering adding in a negative response, as well as the videoids of removed videos and new videos |
| [18:43:38] | iamlindoro: | I am explicitly asking that people not mess with that code yet-- there is a reason it's walled off |
| [18:44:13] | iamlindoro: | It is far from ready and what little time I have is all going towards it-- The only thing people messing with it will do is slow it becoming usable |
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| [18:46:35] | iamlindoro: | I *want* it to be usable, and I *want* it to be testworthy-- but there's a reason that code is prevented from running, and that's because it's far from ready |
| [18:47:31] | iamlindoro: | You would be sorely disappointed if you tried to run it right now, up to and including messy crashes, it doing nothing, or doing very strange things-- You will be much happier if you just show a little patience, which I am explicitly asking for |
| [18:48:14] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: right now, im just thinking of making the message BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]VIDEO_LIST_CHANGE[]:[]<deleted count>[]:[]<id 1>[]:[]<id 2>[]:[]<id 3>[]:[]<added count>[]:[]<id 4>[]:[]<id 5> |
| [18:48:21] | high-rez: | Fine. I won't touch it. |
| [18:48:30] | high-rez: | I'll just bug the J's for passthrough (it's in ffmpeg now : -) |
| [18:48:31] | ** high-rez ducks ** | |
| [18:49:07] | iamlindoro: | You can bug those people *after* an ffmpeg sync |
| [18:49:19] | wagnerrp: | should it pass entries for updated? that way it could pass entries that have changed location, or had metadata pulled |
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| [18:49:34] | loki_666: | hi |
| [18:49:42] | wagnerrp: | i havent looked at the code to see if the mass metadata is done in the same thread as the scan |
| [18:49:53] | iamlindoro: | metadata and scan are different threads |
| [18:50:06] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I don't have a firm idea yet-- let me get back to you on it |
| [18:50:12] | loki_666: | recently Im' having issues with Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(10401) desired(10402) |
| [18:50:43] | loki_666: | i'v read that it could be realted wrong wrong network id |
| [18:50:54] | loki_666: | how to debug and fix this? |
| [18:55:29] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [18:55:32] | Beirdo: | #9309 |
| [18:55:45] | Beirdo: | I think this person doesn't understand how mytharchive works |
| [18:55:59] | Beirdo: | you say archive files... it archives the files |
| [18:56:26] | Beirdo: | 16GB won't fit on a dual-layer DVD, and mkisofs gacks on > 4GB |
| [18:56:31] | Beirdo: | per file |
| [18:57:58] | wagnerrp: | mytharchive uses... projectx for transcoding? |
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| [19:02:27] | iamlindoro: | I had thought it used transcode |
| [19:02:52] | iamlindoro: | thought the addition of projectx to remux was after the fact |
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| [19:04:17] | Steve_Goodey: | I seem to remember I swapped to projectx as it worked better with DVB recordings? A bit vague I'm afraid. |
| [19:04:19] | wagnerrp: | well its irrelevant anyway, since the user has it set up to do an exact copy, no transcoding |
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| [19:04:42] | wagnerrp: | considering his HD recording would never make a valid DVD anyway |
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| [19:08:03] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [19:08:35] | Beirdo: | I know for making DVDs, it will use ffmpeg, and maybe projectx (I remember seeing that in the settings somewhere while testing) |
| [19:08:51] | iamlindoro: | I think the projectx step is just a remux to repair discontinuities |
| [19:08:58] | Beirdo: | ah |
| [19:09:03] | Beirdo: | quite possible |
| [19:09:31] | Beirdo: | anyways, what he's trying will never work |
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| [19:10:10] | Beirdo: | ISO9660 doesn't allow for huge files |
| [19:10:47] | Beirdo: | UDF does, but you need to tell it to make invalid ISO9660 and valid UDF (the option that it gives in the error message) to do so |
| [19:11:34] | wagnerrp: | of course then the issue becomes you have 16GB to handle, and 8.5GB with which to do so |
| [19:11:41] | Beirdo: | The result is an inconsistent filesystem and users need to make sure that they really use UDF rather than ISO9660 driver to read a such disk. |
| [19:11:51] | Steve_Goodey: | The blueray support, is that just for reading or writing as well? |
| [19:11:52] | Beirdo: | according to the manpage :) |
| [19:12:13] | wagnerrp: | reading only |
| [19:12:18] | Beirdo: | yeah. That becomes the secondary issue... How to cram 4 layers of data into 2 layers |
| [19:12:24] | wagnerrp: | there is no open source library for bluray authoring |
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| [19:13:26] | Steve_Goodey: | Ok, ta. |
| [19:13:44] | wagnerrp: | i imagine mytharchive could be maneuvered into burning a bluray if you wanted |
| [19:13:57] | wagnerrp: | but it would just be plain files on a UDF partition on a disk |
| [19:14:08] | Beirdo: | I'm sure it could make a BD-ROM with a bit of tweaking |
| [19:14:18] | Beirdo: | but not a BluRay (video) |
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| [19:16:07] | iamlindoro: | BD-RE is a vast, painful standard. Even parsing it is in its infancy. I spent a full 8 hours making libbluray just *read* BD-RE, let alone write it, which requires a much deeper understanding of the format. Also note that BDMV (purchased movies) and BDAV (home-written BDs) are entirely distinct standards with different file structures and playlist mechanisms |
| [19:16:26] | Beirdo: | figures :) |
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| [19:17:06] | wagnerrp: | sure, but writing it, you only have to support one functional implementation |
| [19:17:14] | wagnerrp: | reading it, you have to support all possible options |
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| [19:17:53] | wagnerrp: | either way, its still a /lot/ of work that no one in the open source community has yet done |
| [19:18:03] | iamlindoro: | An that work isn't that interesting anyway |
| [19:18:10] | Beirdo: | or if they have, they've been hiding it :) |
| [19:18:47] | iamlindoro: | More useful to learn to write BDMV and the existing library will "just work" to read it. BDAV is only useful when writing in real time anyway |
| [19:19:06] | iamlindoro: | ie, BDAV differs in that it handles real time writing from a home recording deck/live feed |
| [19:19:34] | wagnerrp: | i didnt know there were realtime recorders/camcorders |
| [19:19:35] | Beirdo: | ahhh, so like a BD camcorder |
| [19:19:42] | wagnerrp: | i thought that was something that died out with DVDs |
| [19:19:58] | iamlindoro: | There are decks, I got a sample from a guy last week to figure out the structure, I dunno about camcorders |
| [19:20:06] | wagnerrp: | considering theyre MORE expensive, LESS reliable, and LESS capable than hard drive based units |
| [19:21:03] | wagnerrp: | may as well just stick with a VCR |
| [19:21:10] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:21:24] | Beirdo: | I remember lugging around a VHS video camera in high school |
| [19:21:36] | Beirdo: | ugh, that was painful |
| [19:21:55] | wagnerrp: | i had a friend with a DVHS unit |
| [19:22:13] | wagnerrp: | one of those big commercial units you see news crews running around with |
| [19:22:17] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [19:22:24] | wagnerrp: | his dad got it 'surplus' from his work |
| [19:22:37] | Beirdo: | we have some good footage of the cross-country running meet (at the local golf course) |
| [19:22:55] | Beirdo: | my friend's dad is a member, so he scored us a cart |
| [19:23:01] | wagnerrp: | along with a 1TB non-linear editing system, circa 2000 |
| [19:23:38] | Beirdo: | but at one point, we were zipping around on a shortcut to get in front of the runners, both cameras running... and he drove through a puddle |
| [19:23:42] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:23:55] | wagnerrp: | *sizzle* |
| [19:24:08] | Beirdo: | both camera lenses got hit with muddy water, and both had us going "***BLLEEEEEEP****" |
| [19:24:29] | Beirdo: | so when it came time to edit, we had a good sync point for the two cameras :) |
| [19:24:30] | wagnerrp: | oh, i though the internals got wet and released the magic blue smoke |
| [19:24:37] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [19:24:51] | Beirdo: | the teachers weren't too impressed by our language though :) |
| [19:25:12] | wagnerrp: | hehe |
| [19:25:32] | Beirdo: | both of us... loudly... on both cameras :0 |
| [19:25:34] | Beirdo: | muhahaha |
| [19:25:37] | wagnerrp: | we had some aesthetics class one year, and had to put together some video skit |
| [19:25:58] | Beirdo: | of course, the fact that we were the top two students in the school likely kept us from getting suspended :) |
| [19:26:35] | wagnerrp: | well the end of the skit ended up with one of the characters getting put in prison, with allusions to the fact that his bunkmate was... amorous |
| [19:26:45] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:27:09] | Beirdo: | teens + video cameras... not a good combination |
| [19:27:09] | wagnerrp: | so for the credits, he stood out of the sunroof in his van, and filmed the local prison as he was driving by |
| [19:27:22] | wagnerrp: | with the background music set to Nirvana – Rape Me |
| [19:27:33] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [19:27:35] | wagnerrp: | well that didnt go over well... |
| [19:28:00] | Beirdo: | I bet |
| [19:28:40] | wagnerrp: | the project was graded for several different points, and it got a 100% for everything but... christianity |
| [19:29:04] | wagnerrp: | sure it was a catholic school, and we shared parking lots with the cathedral, but seriously, what kind of nutcase grades on 'christianity' |
| [19:29:08] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [19:29:33] | Beirdo: | well at least you kept away from alluding to priests misbehaving |
| [19:30:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah, considering our diocese had a fair share of those |
| [19:30:23] | Beirdo: | ick. that woulda been a great way to get expelled |
| [19:30:32] | wagnerrp: | heck, that school had a few |
| [19:30:39] | wagnerrp: | back in the 60' |
| [19:30:44] | wagnerrp: | s and 70's |
| [19:30:45] | Beirdo: | not too surprising |
| [19:30:57] | wagnerrp: | but heres the thing |
| [19:31:06] | wagnerrp: | my dad had a few of them as teachers |
| [19:31:12] | Beirdo: | we (in a public school) had a teacher who got married to a student (in the 80s) |
| [19:31:26] | Beirdo: | at virtual shotgun-point |
| [19:31:42] | wagnerrp: | as a teenager, everyone in that school knew those guys were 'strange' |
| [19:31:45] | Beirdo: | the horndog was a good teacher otherwise |
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| [19:32:06] | wagnerrp: | they knew you didnt want to be caught alone with them, they didnt trust them, didnt know what would happen |
| [19:32:17] | Beirdo: | icky |
| [19:32:18] | wagnerrp: | this was decades before any of this stuff came to light |
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| [19:32:53] | wagnerrp: | which makes you wonder about the kids who fell prey |
| [19:34:04] | wagnerrp: | were they the dumber kids? the ones who didnt pay attention to behavior around them? were they over-sheltered and hadnt yet developed a healthy amount of cynicism? |
| [19:35:38] | Beirdo: | hard to say |
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| [20:43:04] | k-man: | how does mythfrontend determine where the lirc socket is that it should listen to? i switched from self compiled and installed lirc to the debian lirc packages and mythfrontend is looking for the old lirc LIRC, Error: Failed to connect to Unix socket '/var/run/lirc/lircd' eno: No such file or directory (2) |
| [20:44:10] | wagnerrp: | it should listen to /dev/lircd |
| [20:44:34] | wagnerrp: | (which is typically a symlink to /var/run/lirc/lircd) |
| [20:44:38] | k-man: | wagnerrp: hmm... ah |
| [20:45:17] | sphery: | it uses the socket you specified in settings |
| [20:45:27] | k-man: | wagnerrp: but according to the error, it is looking in for it in /var/run/lirc/lircd |
| [20:45:31] | sphery: | LIRC daemon socket |
| [20:45:39] | sphery: | /* lircd socket moved from /dev/ to /var/run/lirc/ in lirc 0.8.6 */ |
| [20:45:43] | k-man: | in mythtv-setup? |
| [20:45:51] | sphery: | UNIX socket or IP address[:port] to connect in order to communicate with the LIRC Daemon. |
| [20:45:54] | sphery: | guess... |
| [20:45:56] | sphery: | who uses lirc? |
| [20:45:59] | sphery: | :) |
| [20:46:11] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup does |
| [20:46:12] | iamlindoro: | mythtv-setup configures your backend |
| [20:46:20] | iamlindoro: | so unless your backend listens to your remote, it's not there ;) |
| [20:46:23] | wagnerrp: | (uses lirc that is) |
| [20:46:25] | k-man: | oh yeah, |
| [20:46:32] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, true |
| [20:46:39] | sphery: | but there's no mythtv-setup-setup |
| [20:46:49] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its like the UI setup |
| [20:46:58] | k-man: | yeah, thanks |
| [20:46:59] | sphery: | it's in frontend setup under general settings |
| [20:47:00] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup uses the UI, but you cannot configure it there |
| [20:47:04] | sphery: | (main general, not playback general) |
| [20:47:04] | iamlindoro: | python setup.py mythtv-setup --setup && setup |
| [20:47:19] | wagnerrp: | hey now... what? |
| [20:47:27] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [20:47:28] | iamlindoro: | gibberish |
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| [20:48:52] | wagnerrp: | i really need to get my ir blasters working |
| [20:48:59] | wagnerrp: | ive lost AMC and SciFi now |
| [20:49:23] | k-man: | awesome, thanks guys |
| [20:49:27] | k-man: | that was the problem |
| [20:49:33] | k-man: | thanks sphery |
| [20:51:00] | sphery: | well, since we have so many settings, there's no way for any user to keep them all straight... someone has to try. ;) |
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| [21:11:46] | wagnerrp: | how would Udo's problems be related to libmpeg2? |
| [21:12:10] | iamlindoro: | They wouldn't be, don't think he was saying they were |
| [21:12:18] | iamlindoro: | Just that they are comparable amounts of useless |
| [21:12:18] | sphery: | I think he meant it as "both are becoming pains" |
| [21:12:24] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [21:15:08] | wagnerrp: | whoops |
| [21:15:18] | wagnerrp: | i just started up my backend in UTC time |
| [21:15:27] | wagnerrp: | so it immediately started recording tonights shows |
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| [21:16:49] | biffhero: | sweet. sounds like a bug. we don't keep track of "User timezone" ? |
| [21:17:17] | iamlindoro: | What's this "we," white man? |
| [21:17:28] | iamlindoro: | The backend is the definitive source of timezone |
| [21:18:17] | biffhero: | nice. |
| [21:18:59] | wagnerrp: | woo! |
| [21:19:05] | iamlindoro: | The frontend timezone is enforced to match the backend-- The backend gets its timezone from the system. In what way would you prefer it differ? |
| [21:19:13] | ** wagnerrp is watching three shows on two different multiplexes on my fbsd backend ** | |
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| [21:19:39] | biffhero: | Is the backend the source, or is the backend system? I would say that the backend system has one time, and the backend mythtv has another, the offset. Maybe wagnerrp should have an "export TZ=PST8" in his startup script. |
| [21:20:06] | wagnerrp: | biffhero: no, i just forgot to set /etc/localtime in my chroot |
| [21:20:18] | wagnerrp: | i misconfigured my backend system |
| [21:20:29] | wagnerrp: | user error |
| [21:20:52] | iamlindoro: | MythTV gets its timezine and time from the system, they're one and the same |
| [21:21:00] | iamlindoro: | As it should be |
| [21:21:01] | biffhero: | sure, I agree that it was user error. Just wondering if there's a way to make that user error not matter, due to different timezone rule handling by the app. |
| [21:21:14] | biffhero: | in your chroot, that's an interesting idea. |
| [21:21:21] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
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| [21:22:07] | biffhero: | I ain't filing a bug on it or nothing, just wondering. take a chill over there mr. doro. Or can I call you iamlin? |
| [21:22:36] | iamlindoro: | The bug would be closed invalid, on account of it being invalid |
| [21:22:41] | sphery: | wagnerrp: fixed the HDHR issue? |
| [21:23:13] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, set up a virtual network adapter for the jail to use, and bridged it onto the network |
| [21:23:22] | sphery: | nice |
| [21:23:26] | wagnerrp: | now it can handle broadcast traffic properly |
| [21:23:42] | sphery: | would be nicer if someone could figure out why it doesn't work when you use the IP instead of auto-detect |
| [21:23:59] | ** wagnerrp is getting dangerously close to real, actual virtualization ** | |
| [21:24:12] | sphery: | seems that it's not affecting SiDust, though, so they haven't gotten too worried about it |
| [21:24:15] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i know exactly why it doesnt work |
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| [21:24:26] | wagnerrp: | it ignores the stored tuner value |
| [21:24:29] | sphery: | ok, figure out how to make it work properly? |
| [21:24:46] | wagnerrp: | so whether you tell it to access tuner 1 or tuner 2, it always accesses tuner 1 |
| [21:24:47] | raptorjr: | hello, i have some serious recording/livetv problems with 0.24. Did send a mail to the users list but i'm kind of eager to find a solution. So im wondering if anyone could help in what the logs should include to help find the problem? |
| [21:25:36] | iamlindoro: | raptorjr: You didn't update your distro at the same time? Myth doesn't touch the stream *at all* so it's not capable of causing corruption |
| [21:25:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: is that lib code or mythtv code? |
| [21:26:07] | iamlindoro: | All myth does it talk to the v4l-dvb api and say "tune to x, start streaming" and dump the resulting stream to disk |
| [21:26:09] | wagnerrp: | sphery: my guess is mythtv code |
| [21:26:17] | wagnerrp: | a problem with how it reads the tuner number from the database |
| [21:26:23] | sphery: | hmmm |
| [21:26:24] | raptorjr: | iamlindoro: yes, i did a complete reinstall with mythbuntu 10.10 |
| [21:26:25] | wagnerrp: | although i can check that real quick |
| [21:26:49] | sphery: | if it is our code, should be much easier to fix (rather than waiting on SiDust to find it for us) |
| [21:26:50] | iamlindoro: | raptorjr: OK, then your issue is almost undoubtedly a driver regression, not a myth issue-- the issues you are reporting are virtually impossible for Myth to cause |
| [21:26:57] | sphery: | especially since it's probably not their fault :) |
| [21:27:27] | iamlindoro: | raptorjr: The only time we "manipulate" the data in any way is when we compress video on framegrabbers, and even then we use another API (libav*) to do it |
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| [21:27:29] | sphery: | raptorjr: and hardware and signal issues are always still a possibility |
| [21:27:40] | raptorjr: | iamlindoro: ok, will try to compile myth with newer dvb-drivers then, or older? maybe that would help |
| [21:28:09] | wagnerrp: | yeah, looks like our stuff, since their command line utility (where we get the library from) works properly |
| [21:28:14] | iamlindoro: | raptorjr: You could try, but it's a tough to narrow down problem-- It could be the kernel, the drivers, the firmware, etc., but those three would be where my suspicion would naturally fall |
| [21:28:31] | raptorjr: | sphery: same hardware that was working perfect with mythbuntu 9.04 and a early 0.23 |
| [21:28:47] | iamlindoro: | raptorjr: The easiest way to wall off where the blame might lie would be to rever to to a known working distro and *only* update myth |
| [21:28:55] | iamlindoro: | meaning self-compile |
| [21:29:04] | sphery: | hardware failure doesn't care about upgrade schedules |
| [21:30:15] | raptorjr: | iamlindoro: thank you. the problem with the old distro is that i hadn't vdpau working, and some serious problems with getting the new nvidia drivers working. So now i took the chance do begin all over again |
| [21:30:45] | sphery: | (meaning nothing says hardware can't fail when at/around the same time you upgrade software--it's as likely to fail then as any other time) |
| [21:33:55] | wagnerrp: | this is new |
| [21:34:08] | wagnerrp: | scifi used to be a 'upgrade to a minibox or cable box' screen |
| [21:34:13] | raptorjr: | so, even if LiveTV works sometimes, and when i switch channels a couple of times it fails, it would still probably be a driver issue? |
| [21:34:18] | wagnerrp: | now its just a blue screen with a white cursor in the top left |
| [21:34:52] | wagnerrp: | raptorjr: or you have a bad channel scan, and need to update it |
| [21:35:02] | wagnerrp: | or you have your tuning timeouts set too low |
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| [21:35:47] | raptorjr: | hmm, many things that can be wrong then |
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| [21:37:09] | high-rez: | What type of DVB is this? |
| [21:37:27] | raptorjr: | dvb-c |
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| [21:37:51] | wagnerrp: | CI card? |
| [21:38:03] | raptorjr: | no |
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| [21:38:46] | high-rez: | At least that partially rules out signal as an issue. :) I'd try dumping the stream while its not working to see what you see. |
| [21:40:16] | raptorjr: | high-rez: dont think i understand. if a recording fail almost instant, or after a few minutes, how could i dump the stream then? |
| [21:41:15] | iamlindoro: | I still strongly recommend going to a totally working system, and then update *only* myth. If you still have an issue, it's a myth issue. If you don't, it's an OS issue |
| [21:41:18] | high-rez: | raptorjr: Iirc, you have two way communications. Multiple entities can send the card tuning commands, and multiple entities can receive the stream from the card. |
| [21:41:35] | iamlindoro: | testing random stream dumps, which by definition won't use the same API commands, is a haphazard way of finding out |
| [21:41:51] | high-rez: | raptorjr: So you could use say, dvbsnoop, to analyze whats coming out of the card |
| [21:42:21] | iamlindoro: | Don't worry about your VDPAU right now-- just go back to where you are certain it works, then upgrade *one* thing, and see if it still works, and if it does, then you know it's your distro/kernel/drivers. |
| [21:42:48] | raptorjr: | iamlindoro: mmm, i guess, either way will be hard. mythbuntu 9.04 is missing a lot of dependencies for 0.24, but maybe it is still the easiest way to find out |
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| [21:43:18] | high-rez: | 9.04 is fine for 0.24. I'm running 0.24 on a 9.04 box right now. |
| [21:43:59] | high-rez: | Either way, there's two ways to go about debugging this. Narrowing the problem down (it really looks like its the driver/kernel something of that nature) or starting with a known good baseline as iamlindoro suggests |
| [21:44:01] | raptorjr: | high-rez: maybe i didn't try hard enough the first time =) will go back and try again |
| [21:44:38] | high-rez: | You probably just need to install a bunch of -devel packages |
| [21:44:43] | high-rez: | So you have all the headers you need. |
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| [21:46:10] | high-rez: | And you can always install the nvidia drivers directly without using *buntu's builtin and always out of date video drivers, though beware the very very very latest nvidia drivers don't contain libvdpau – you have to install that yourself. |
| [21:46:12] | biffhero: | [1:43] <high-rez> 9.04 is fine for 0.24. I'm running 0.24 on a 9.04 box right now. <<< compiled, or "apt-get install"ed |
| [21:46:25] | high-rez: | biffhero: compiled. |
| [21:47:18] | high-rez: | That is, the package versions in *buntu (e.g. qt) 9.04 are new enough to work with myth. |
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| [21:55:46] | Beirdo: | yay |
| [21:55:59] | Beirdo: | myth_system changes are compiling (mostly) |
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| [22:01:40] | sphery: | Beirdo: congrats |
| [22:03:07] | wagnerrp: | heh... |
| [22:03:43] | wagnerrp: | i wrote it, beirdo subsequently rewrote it, and then did the much more difficult task of actually testing it to make it work |
| [22:04:24] | ** wagnerrp really needs to get his system updated so he can start contributing on that again ** | |
| [22:04:39] | sphery: | just set up a vm |
| [22:04:40] | sphery: | :) |
| [22:05:13] | wagnerrp: | i practically can... without using a VM |
| [22:06:11] | wagnerrp: | couple minutes to clone the filesystem, set up a new jail with a separate IP, new database, use the HDHR for a tuner |
| [22:07:08] | sphery: | but without the VM, you don't get all the benefits of no direct access to hardware resources, like PCIe bus and GPU and ... |
| [22:07:43] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:08:19] | wagnerrp: | but its freebsd, there is no worthwhile hardware to have direct access to |
| [22:08:31] | sphery: | heh, good point |
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| [22:09:22] | Beirdo: | So... Gonna commit my changes to make the Windows stuff *build* |
| [22:09:35] | Beirdo: | and I can try to test it under Windows tonight |
| [22:09:42] | Beirdo: | thank goodness for cross-compiling |
| [22:10:07] | wagnerrp: | how much does a AV receiver pull when idling? |
| [22:10:20] | wagnerrp: | i mean youre keeping those amps active |
| [22:10:26] | wagnerrp: | but if youre not actually using them |
| [22:10:34] | wagnerrp: | how much does it take to just keep them warmed up |
| [22:11:23] | Beirdo: | good question |
| [22:12:05] | ** sphery goes to get the kill-a-watt ** | |
| [22:12:43] | wagnerrp: | we really do need a CLIENT_IDLE system event |
| [22:13:09] | Beirdo: | I think that's for determining when to go into shutdown/suspend |
| [22:13:12] | Beirdo: | but not sure |
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| [22:13:38] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: we currently dont have any such thing |
| [22:14:01] | wagnerrp: | this would be for exiting the watch recordings screen automatically (whenever the video preview comes back) |
| [22:14:07] | wagnerrp: | or suspending the machine when it goes idle |
| [22:14:16] | wagnerrp: | or in this case, turning off the tv/receiver when it goes idle |
| [22:14:19] | sphery: | mine seems to pull about 40–41W whether outputting audio ornot |
| [22:14:28] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: ah, odd :) |
| [22:14:47] | iamlindoro: | someone tell the guy on the list that his stupid cacti graph is eating up all this threadpool threads |
| [22:15:20] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:15:24] | wagnerrp: | !!! |
| [22:15:32] | wagnerrp: | im running the stupid cacti thing |
| [22:15:40] | Beirdo: | and also... "use 0.24" |
| [22:15:49] | wagnerrp: | i guess i should try disabling it and see if i still get the threadpool issues |
| [22:16:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: why not use a screen saver program to determine idleness rather than implement our own screen saver |
| [22:16:17] | wagnerrp: | ... time to start dinner |
| [22:16:46] | Beirdo: | there's nothing wrong with using cacti... but it will eat connections for sure if it's coming in on the web/xml interface |
| [22:17:07] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, amazing how many times people's "check to make sure mythtv is still running" scripts/whatever have been the problem causing mythtv to die/become non-responsive |
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| [22:17:21] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Which is clearly 110% myth's fault ;) |
| [22:17:27] | sphery: | this + the old monit/nagios "poll the status port" stuff |
| [22:17:35] | Beirdo: | sphery: yeah, they push em over the edge. |
| [22:17:36] | sphery: | yeah |
| [22:17:49] | Beirdo: | but really... it is our bug that we don't reuse the threads right |
| [22:17:57] | Beirdo: | but cdev is in the process of rehashing it all |
| [22:18:05] | sphery: | right, but it's a known issue |
| [22:18:21] | sphery: | that just involves not over-stressing things until it's fixed |
| [22:19:20] | Beirdo: | or increasing the limits |
| [22:19:24] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:19:33] | iamlindoro: | Silly Beirdo |
| [22:19:37] | Beirdo: | one or the other. |
| [22:19:39] | iamlindoro: | don't you know that more threads = bad? |
| [22:19:42] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:19:42] | iamlindoro: | I learned that on the users list |
| [22:19:49] | Beirdo: | it might cause a memory leak! |
| [22:20:05] | sphery: | heh |
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| [22:38:00] | iamlindoro: | G-D it, how hard is it to just open a ticket rather than complaining about the internal player? |
| [22:38:21] | iamlindoro: | In the time it takes to write an e-mail explaining why you need mplayer, you could have opened a ticket and uploaded a sample |
| [22:46:40] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: what does HDMV stand for? High-Def Movie? High-Def Menu V...? |
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| [22:48:35] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: High Definition Movie |
| [22:49:19] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: In the context of navigation mode/menus, HDMV is the Virtual Machine that runs navigation/events/menus in Blu-ray, and is the control mechanism for both it's own menu type (HDMV Menus) and BD-J menus |
| [22:49:48] | skd5aner: | BD-J is Blu-Ray Disc Java? |
| [22:49:53] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [22:50:06] | skd5aner: | k, thanks – trying to learn and understand |
| [22:50:25] | iamlindoro: | Basically, HDMV is the Blu-ray equivalent of the DVD Virtual Machine-- it's an interface for controlling and displaying all the underlying technologies like BD-J, HDMV menus, BD-Live, etc. |
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| [22:51:15] | iamlindoro: | To add complication HDMV is a virtual machine, and it runs the BD-J JVM Java Virtual Machine |
| [22:51:48] | kenni: | iamlindoro: talking about playback issues with the internal player, the MPEG1 clips I had which didn't play on 0.24-fixes, they play just fine on trunk after the increase of the decoding probe buffer in r27344. |
| [22:52:12] | iamlindoro: | The first menus we support will be HDMV menus and IG (Interactive Graphics)-- but since we access the VM and not particular underlying technologies, when BD-J matures, it will all slot in and "just work" since it's controlled by the same API |
| [22:52:24] | GreyFoxx: | I saw a bin of $9 Bluray disc at Walmart the other day.... it looks like it's time for me to finally shift to buying them. |
| [22:52:32] | iamlindoro: | kenni: You can mention that to danielk, he might be willing to/able to backport the changes |
| [22:52:35] | kenni: | I don't know if danielk22 plans to backport it, but if it isn't considered too invasive, it would probably be a good idea |
| [22:52:52] | iamlindoro: | kenni: Couldn't hurt to ask :) |
| [22:52:52] | GreyFoxx: | Can anyone recommend any specific line of BR drives? I doubt many still have support for HDDVD but that would be a plus |
| [22:53:11] | kenni: | yep, I'll give a week or so, perhaps he already plans to do so |
| [22:53:15] | iamlindoro: | I own a LG GGC-H20L which supports both... they're not made any more but still exist as surplus |
| [22:53:22] | kenni: | will do |
| [22:53:59] | GreyFoxx: | iaml: dual support would be nice since hddvd sets are out there so cheap.... I'll see if I can get one of those off ebay |
| [22:54:10] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: note that Blu-ray menu support is still an indeterminate distance off-- I make progress in small and large steps, but tough to tell when the library will be mature enough to cut the cord and make it the default mode |
| [22:54:37] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Also educate yourself on the limitations of decryption in linux (namely, no BD+ and AACS only through MKBv10, meaning mid-2009 or so) |
| [22:54:43] | GreyFoxx: | iaml: Yeah. I know you've done great things with the BR support but to be honest the menus aren't too important to me |
| [22:54:52] | iamlindoro: | so bargain basement discs should all mostly be decryptable/playable in linux |
| [22:54:53] | GreyFoxx: | amd most of what I currently want is a little older |
| [22:54:56] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [22:55:37] | iamlindoro: | I will say that in some of my experimental code, seeing it all work is very impressive, even though I'm not to the point of drawing menu buttons yet-- but when it fails, it does so spectacularly |
| [22:55:47] | GreyFoxx: | hehehe |
| [22:55:53] | GreyFoxx: | damn, brb, someone at the door |
| [22:56:11] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: on the limitations, if someone uses something like AnyDVD to rip a blu-ray disc, those limitations go away (minus the issue with displaying menus) correct? |
| [22:56:33] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Correct, *most* (but not all) ripped disc structures should play nicely |
| [22:57:04] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: The only ones I am aware of that the library still has issues with are those which use multi-angle seamless branching-- the most high profile of those are Pixar movies |
| [22:57:41] | iamlindoro: | Specifically, Pixar uses a branching playlist format to support having rendered things like streat signs, papers, etc. in the local language |
| [22:57:49] | skd5aner: | and something like AnyDVD should be able to rip the disc in whole correct, just not the main title? |
| [22:57:52] | iamlindoro: | so that you see, in spanish mode, spanish street signs, etc. |
| [22:58:05] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, AnyDVD will just let you drag and drop the BDMV folder off, which is all you need |
| [22:58:19] | iamlindoro: | Come to think of it, I need to test Ratatouille against HDMV mode |
| [22:58:24] | skd5aner: | yea, great... for DVDs, I typically go the iso route |
| [22:58:29] | iamlindoro: | As the VM may handle the flow properly |
| [22:58:59] | skd5aner: | that branching playlist feature is pretty cool |
| [22:59:17] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, it's kinda neat (well, it would be if it worked) |
| [22:59:22] | iamlindoro: | But it'll come |
| [22:59:58] | iamlindoro: | I already have patches to support libbdj and compile it as part of myth, it's just that the library itself isn't far enough along yet to arbitrarily include another 2 MB of source |
| [23:00:20] | skd5aner: | same people working on both? |
| [23:00:24] | skd5aner: | upstream that is |
| [23:00:42] | iamlindoro: | yes, libbdnav, libbdj, and HDMV code are all parts of libbluray |
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| [23:03:02] | skd5aner: | anyway to simplify the description and benefit of what markk is doing here for the changelog? http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/20 . . . /075722.html |
| [23:03:32] | skd5aner: | It's a bit verbose and technical there – I get what he's doing, but not sure how to put it in laymen's terms |
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| [23:06:59] | biffhero: | refactor for stability, simplicity, extensibility and supportability. |
| [23:07:23] | biffhero: | if they want more, they can read the diff. |
| [23:07:52] | sphery: | or "refactor teletext to more-closely match the design of other caption/subtitle code" |
| [23:08:59] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea, that's basically what I had – but I'm wondering how to describe the benefit of that refactor |
| [23:09:00] | biffhero: | nice |
| [23:09:32] | skd5aner: | seems like there's some potential performance/response improvements to go along with it |
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| [23:10:35] | sphery: | the main response benefit is due to reversing the workaround he committed previously while he worked on that patch :) |
| [23:11:25] | skd5aner: | Refactor teletext to more-closely match the design of other caption/subtitle code – eliminates locking problems and improves responsiveness |
| [23:11:39] | sphery: | that works |
| [23:11:40] | skd5aner: | good? good! |
| [23:11:54] | skd5aner: | wow – I over think these sometimes |
| [23:12:32] | sphery: | [27213] being the previous workaround he reverted: |
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