Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, November 22nd, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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** iamlindoro is guessing that was a "no" **

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jya:

iamlindoro: is there a linux native application similar to aaceskeys ?

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jya:

aacskeys that is

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iamlindoro:

jya, aacskeys runs on linux

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iamlindoro:

(natively)

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jya:

it can retrieve the VID etc?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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jya:

cool.. reading the doom9 forum right now, started in 2007, about to mid 2008 now :)

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iamlindoro:

In the aacskeys thread at doom9, one of the links is to a .tar.gz file, that's the one containing the linux version

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wagnerrp:

on all ROMs, or just special ones with special firmwares?

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iamlindoro:

(I think the primary link in that thread is to the exe version)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, The VID/VUK is retrieved using the processing key, so for any one for which there is a PK

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iamlindoro:

ie, any drive, so long as you have a PK, or for any disc if you have a racked firmware

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iamlindoro:

er hacked

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iamlindoro:

er for any drive if you have

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iamlindoro:

That was unclear because of all the corrections

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iamlindoro:

Any drive can retrieve a VUK/VID if there is a PK available

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iamlindoro:

A hacked drive can obtain the VUK/VID for any disc

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jya:

too bad it's not a insert disk, press play button process yet..

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jya:

my head is already overfilling from reading the doom9 thrad

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iamlindoro:

Eventually it will be enough to just put the PK into the KEYDB.cfg, so long as your processing key is sufficiently new

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iamlindoro:

and then the VUK/VID will be grabbed dynamically

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iamlindoro:

In fact, libaacs may have gotten to that point recently

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jya:

aacskeys 0.4.0c is the latest?

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iamlindoro:

What would be really nice would be getting MKBv19 PKs

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iamlindoro:

jya, I can't recall but that sounds right

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iamlindoro:

yes, that looks like what I've got

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iamlindoro:

and IIRC the tarbal actually comes with precompiled versions already in the bin dir

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jya:

is there any legality issue that could arise from distributing aacskeys ? could try to make ubuntu packages for the whole lot

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iamlindoro:

cd to bin/linux (or /bin/linux64 as necessary), cp in the HostKeyCertificate.txt and ProcessingDeviceKeysSimple.txt from the tarball into that dir, and it should run nicely

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iamlindoro:

I honestly don't know but it sounds like something I wouldn't want to distribute in the US

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jya:

would be nice to have http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/High_Definition_Di . . . ion_Material amended, so how to get keydb.cfg , HostKeyCertificate.txt and ProcessingDeviceKeysSimple.txt would be a matter of following lnks

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iamlindoro:

I intentionally left it the way it was because I was concerned about spelling it out to explicitly on our wiki

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iamlindoro:

I tried to be very explicit with my instructions on Doom9, so that there was only 1 link to follow and understand

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jya:

yeah, i guessed that

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iamlindoro:

Though I think updating the link to aacskeys to point at the current version of the linux download would be a good idea

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iamlindoro:

I was just a little worried about the rapidshare link disappearing too

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jya:

can mirror that somewhere.. my server is located in France...

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jya:

though if you put the name of the archive, googling is pretty good

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iamlindoro:

ah, yeah, that's probably quicker

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jya:

actually, links go back to rapidshare

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jya:

and it won't let me download

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tgm4883:

jya, perhaps a job for medibuntu?

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jya:

damn, I'm sitting under a tree, perfect day today, and I've developed what looks like a birthmark on half my arm... wonder where that colour got from

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jya:

iamlindoro: regarding MKBv10 support by libaacs, does that mean that it's likely my Toy Story 3 bluray I got on Friday won't play ?

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iamlindoro:

heh, yeah, pretty unlikely. If you rip the disc structure it might though (depending on whether they used seamless branching on the disc, which the lib still isn't perfect at and Pixar discs seem to use a lot)

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jya:

oh well, looks like I will have to insert the disk in the panasonic bluray player... ahh... so much effort required

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high-rez:

Is BD+ implemented on top of AACS – or is it one or the other?

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iamlindoro:

All Blu-ray discs include AACS, some discs include BD+

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high-rez:

Thanks.

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wagnerrp:

high-rez: AACS is just a static encryption scheme similar to CSS on DVDs

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wagnerrp:

while BD+ is a full decryption program running in a Java VM on the player

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iamlindoro:

Well, AACS is a fair bit more advanced than CSS

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wagnerrp:

since the program can be rewritten at will, so can the encryption scheme (within performance limits)

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wagnerrp:

sure, but its a much easier target than BD+

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iamlindoro:

in that AACS includes a revocation method, in which a player can be compelled to get a new processing key if one is compromised (thus each generation of processing keys playing all older discs, but nothing newer

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iamlindoro:

If anything, BD+ is actually the more static one

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iamlindoro:

in that once you have a "perfect" BD+ JVM (which may never happen), you will be able to play all BD+ discs, ever

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iamlindoro:

it's just that BD+ is insanely complex and having an unbreakable implementation is near-impossible

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iamlindoro:

The reason libbdplus is still unavailable publicly is because the code necessarily reveals which BD+ implementation is being reverse engineered for the lib

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iamlindoro:

so they are, AIUI, attempting to make it as foolproof and hopefully make it impossible to figure out what's being RE'd before release

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iamlindoro:

That said, I'm fairly content with AnyDVD for ripping purposes until then, I don't really play anything off the disc (but will go on trying to improve that experience too)

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: I think it's pretty cool that you decided to put some much time and energy into all of that, thank you!

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skd5aner:

s/some/so

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner, thanks :)

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iamlindoro:

I'm hoping that BDMV menus will basically work by .25... that will be a nice addition :)

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skd5aner:

I might be incorrectly assuming here, but it sounds like you basically started from scratch with really no prior knowledge of what it might take to get it in there, but have learned a ton along the way while building it out

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iamlindoro:

That's definitely true, I learned everything about how to hook it in as I went

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skd5aner:

yea, definitely watching some of the progress your making on that front

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skd5aner:

I guess I just assumed, given the state of BD playback in F/OSS that it'd be a long time before MythTV would support it – let alone be the project that's really one of the ones leading the way from a complete end-to-end player of the media

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: so, it's a pretty nice badge to wear on your sleeve and something fun for the rest of us to play with :)

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iamlindoro:

Now it's a matter of pride ;)

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iamlindoro:

Obviously the "who provides the best experience" question is totally subjective, but I think we definitely implement more of the API than anyone I'm aware of

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Gibby:

how do i purge livetv?

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skd5aner:

well, other people will catch up too I'm sure, but it seems like it's still bleeding edge for most people (projects) playing with it within F/OSS – from the limited info I've seen around about it

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skd5aner:

Gibby: purge? as in delete the recordings of Live TV?

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Gibby:

not the recordings.. i have none, however, i have 50G of crap in livetv

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skd5aner:

well, Live TV is still recordings

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skd5aner:

but, 2 ways...

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Gibby:

o, then what is recordings?

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skd5aner:

Live TV is still "saved", is what I'm getting at

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skd5aner:

so...

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skd5aner:

you can remove them 1 of 2 ways basically...

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skd5aner:

1) Go into "Watch recordings" hit "M" and change your filter, and select "Live TV"

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skd5aner:

then you can see the Live TV shows that have been watched and saved, and delete them forever

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skd5aner:

or the easier way, 2) Just let them autoexpire

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Gibby:

wtf... i don't want them saved at all lol,

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skd5aner:

if MythTV needs the space, Live TV shows will autoexpire first and be removed... in addition, they will automatically delete themselves, I believe after 1 or 3 days by default

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iamlindoro:

1day

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: thanks, I think I've set mine for 3 days just in case I wanted to go back and look at something

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iamlindoro:

(presuming the user hasn't bumped that up)

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Gibby:

ok, i went under "Watch recordings" and changed my filter... still nothing

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skd5aner:

Gibby: from MythTV's perspective – even if they're taking space, they really aren't preventing you from recording anything, because if your drive fills up, MythTV will just autoexpire them and remove them – or will remove them after 24 hours if you do nothing

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skd5aner:

Gibby: changed it to "Live TV"?

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Gibby:

yep

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Twiggy2cents:

how come I can run mythfilldatabase successfully from the terminal but when mythtv runs it, it says that it did not input any data, "This can indicate a potential grabber failure" And it hasnt run for two days

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skd5aner:

Gibby: did you select "Change Group Filter" or "Change Group view" – you should do "Change Group Filter", and if so, Live TV says it contains 0 items?

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Gibby:

correct

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skd5aner:

Then I'm not sure why it would be telling you that you have 50GB taken up of live tv recordings?

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skd5aner:

Where do you see it telling you that?

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Gibby:

du -s in the directory

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Gibby:

and ls -al

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skd5aner:

Do you have a live TV storage group, is that what you're referring to?

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Gibby:

yea

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skd5aner:

hmmmmm... well, I truthfully don't know then. As far as the DB is concerned, if you had a Live TV recording, it should show up in the Live TV filter... perhaps you have some orphaned files somehow?

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skd5aner:

but that's pure speculation...

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Gibby:

i can just remove them then?

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skd5aner:

Well... that's not adviced to do manually... anyone know if/what the current orphaned file recommendation is?

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skd5aner:

But, I'd be more concerned, if there are indeed orphaned files, as to how they got that way to begin with

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skd5aner:

If you go in, watch something in Live TV right now for a few minutes, and change your Watch Recordings filter to "Live TV" again, see if what you just watched shows up

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skd5aner:

if not, see if your Live TV SG dir(s) grew in size

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skd5aner:

then you'd know if you have an issue with Live TV recordings getting saved, but not displaying properly in the filter

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Gibby:

ok will test that in a few minutes

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Gibby:

skd5aner: it works

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Gibby:

at what % full with myth start to get rid of crap under livetv?

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wagnerrp:

not % full, but whatever free space you have set

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wagnerrp:

that is per drive

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Gibby:

huh?

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wagnerrp:

if you have multiple drives set in your storage group, the one that will be used for recordings will be selected according to whatever disk scheduler you have chosen

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wagnerrp:

it then makes a guess of how much space the recording will take up

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wagnerrp:

and if that space will cause the selected disk to fall below the set minimum level of free space to maintain

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wagnerrp:

it will expire something on that disk

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Gibby:

where is the free space to maintain setting?

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Gibby:

i have multiple disks, but they are in a lvm so myth sees it as 1

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wagnerrp:

why do you have them lvm'd?

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Gibby:

so i can just add raid 1 groups

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Gibby:

didn't want to spend the money to build a 4TB raid 10 right of the bat, so i just but 2 drives at a time, then put them in lvm

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Gibby:

then when i get 2 more drives, i put them in raid 1 and add them to the lvm

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wagnerrp:

raid 1 sure... but why put them in a spanned lvm?

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Gibby:

b/c you can grow raid 10

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Gibby:

can't i mean

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wagnerrp:

but mythtv can handle multiple independent disks

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wagnerrp:

far better than any RAID setup would provide

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Gibby:

b/c it doesn't only handle the recordings.....

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jamesd2:

everyone raise there hand if they want to deal with a fsck of a 4TB filesystem? no matter how rare they are.

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** wagnerrp has a 5.5TB file system that never needs to be fsck'd **

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Gibby:

got a 35TB fs at work that has never needed it in 2 years

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wagnerrp:

no journaling filesystem should need it unless you bork the journal

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clever:

ugh

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Gibby:

zfs :)

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clever:

dad tripped on the network cord for the commflagging box

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clever:

hours ago

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clever:

slow to recover, but it doesnt appear to be needing a reboot

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dw805:

good evening! I just upgraded my combined be/fe from Fedora 12 to Fedora 14 and then installed myth 0.24. I have sound working in linux, but am unable to get sound in myth frontend. When I use the "scan for audio devices" button, it says " is invalid or not useable".

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dw805:

One thing I notice is that with F14, I no longer see a /dev/dsp entry, which was there for f12

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[R]:

good thing that myth doesnt use /dev/dsp

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Shadow__X:

dw805: does your system have sound outside of myth

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dw805:

I was using /dev/dsp as the sound device with 0.23 and f12, and that worked.

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dw805:

yes, I have sound outside of myth

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BobLfoot:

Strange issue to me — mythweb works when SELinux is set to permissive ; but generates no troubleshooter messages when set to enforcing. Ideas anyone and leaving SElinux permissive is not an option.

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dw805:

I got it working!

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Shadow__X:

dw805: what was it

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dw805:

The problem was the mixer. It was still set to /dev/mixer. When I set it to ALSA:default, just like the audio device, it worked

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Shadow__X:

ok

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Beirdo:

Oh wow, they were NOT careful in this show

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Beirdo:

had a van... first it's a Dodge, then a Chevy, the a Dodge... all the same color, different license plates too

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wagnerrp:

a van is a van, right?

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Beirdo:

I guess NBC thinks so...

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Beirdo:

The Chase.. BTW

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Beirdo:

oh, and it went from having a business sign on the side (even the victim said so) to just plain color

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wagnerrp:

they had to paint it to disguise it

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Beirdo:

heh, I don't think that's part of the plot

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wagnerrp:

they decided to change the make and model too just to really throw people off

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wagnerrp:

no one expects the dodge chevy dodge

[06:22:45]

Beirdo:

yeah, while he was driving down the street

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Beirdo:

:)

[06:23:13]

wagnerrp:

hey, these people are really good

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Beirdo:

h

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

hey tris... your domain is yelling.

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Beirdo:

:)

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high-rez:

I think its yelling "Please somebody implement the HBR HDMI Audio Passthrough patches that were posted on the ffmpeg mailing list this week"

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high-rez:

Or maybe that's just me.

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high-rez:

;)

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** high-rez ducks **

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wagnerrp:

HBR?

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Beirdo:

pffft

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high-rez:

High Bit Rate

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high-rez:

AKa DTS-HD, E-AC3 etc

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Beirdo:

that will undoubtedly happen with the next ffmpeg sync

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high-rez:

(see: http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-de . . . 100595.html)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

the new "Windows Phone" ad makes me laugh

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Beirdo:

the kid nailing his dad in the head with a baseball.. muhahhaah

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wagnerrp:

thats not new

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wagnerrp:

thats like a month old

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Beirdo:

new enough

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high-rez:

Beirdo: You shouldda come to the launch party ;)

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Beirdo:

still funnt.

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Beirdo:

funny rather

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Beirdo:

high-rez: heh, I'll stick to sucking network bandwidth with my iPhone :)

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high-rez:

Beirdo: Ehh, either way it probably pays my bills :D

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I'd prefer the money going to Cupertino rather than to Redmond.

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high-rez:

I'm not a MS fan by any measure, but their demise would be terrible for the value of my home.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

that would be a good thing for the person buying the house next to you

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high-rez:

Yeah the cheaper homes get the crappier my neighbors get.

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high-rez:

:/

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

true true

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high-rez:

My wife found a prowler in our yard last week.

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Beirdo:

but MS should die an agonizing death anyways

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Beirdo:

oh? It wasn't you, I take it

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high-rez:

Sure wasn't.

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high-rez:

I'm not so sure about their success with wp7.

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high-rez:

I had a chance to play with it months ago and it was very ehhhhh

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Shadow__X:

i personnally love the fact it doesnt have multitasking

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Shadow__X:

or copy and paste

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high-rez:

i'm not sure if that's a joke or not ?

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Shadow__X:

the joke is in the fact that it does not have those things and expects to compete with the other smartphones

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high-rez:

I actually think that copy and paste is useless. Never used it on a phone... But multitaking?

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Shadow__X:

i have used copy and paste numerous times but, thats me

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high-rez:

I found the interface to be very clunky though.

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Shadow__X:

yeah i honestly care more about saved app states more than true multitasking but thats me

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high-rez:

If its not on a homescreen tile, its in a really awful scroll through menu

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Shadow__X:

high-rez: which interface

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high-rez:

Metro

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Shadow__X:

wp7?

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high-rez:

Yeah

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high-rez:

The Metro interface works GREAT for a bus stop. Not so great for a phone.

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Shadow__X:

ah yeah i mean its not for me but kind of interesting

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high-rez:

Overall it seems unfinished.

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high-rez:

*if* they can actually push updates out the door, and they actually fix the shortcomings, perhaps they have a chance.

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Shadow__X:

are you saying wp7 is like what vista is compared to windows 7?

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high-rez:

I'm saying it needs work to be competitive. And apps.

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Shadow__X:

i like the idea of getting updates

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Shadow__X:

high-rez: yup i agree

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high-rez:

Have you seen the menu you get if your choice isn't a itle ?

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high-rez:

It's an alphabetical order text menu with a small icon.

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Shadow__X:

nope do you have a vid?

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high-rez:

Not intuitive at all.

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high-rez:

Sort of like they bolted it on

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Shadow__X:

lol nice

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Shadow__X:

so i am going to be building a server soon that will do mythtv recordings. I was looking at a norco 4116 but am unsure if i will be able to use the leds on the hot swap bays to signal a hard drive failure

[07:03:54]

Shadow__X:

also do i have to worry about tler on the WD drives if i am going to use hardware raid 5

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Beirdo:

this is going to be for storing only myth recordings?

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high-rez:

That's a heck of a case.

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Shadow__X:

no its also going to be storing home movies in HD

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Shadow__X:

its not for me i am building it for someone

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

well, if it's just for MythTV stuff, there's really no need for RAID5

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Beirdo:

but I guess there might be some use for storing stuff you can't just re-record

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Shadow__X:

yeah i know but, its for the HD home movies and he is having issues with a drobo now so he wants something better

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Shadow__X:

yup

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wagnerrp:

people werent kidding when they said fallout: nv is buggy

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

"to the cloud, so we can all work on the same document"

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Beirdo:

jeez.

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Beirdo:

screw off MS. Google's had that for years

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Shadow__X:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

at least that one is somewhat true

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Shadow__X:

now with mobile edititing!!!

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wagnerrp:

assuming 'the cloud' means MS's Live document editor

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wagnerrp:

and not streaming video from your desktop

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wagnerrp:

or editing photos on your desktop

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Beirdo:

yeah, but they are making out that it's something new

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Beirdo:

when it

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Beirdo:

isn't

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Beirdo:

yeah, at least it isn't vaporware

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wagnerrp:

the other ones arent vaporware either

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wagnerrp:

they just have /nothing/ to do with 'the cloud'

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Beirdo:

yeah, stuporware :)

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Shadow__X:

any idea about the leds?

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Beirdo:

none

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Shadow__X:

ok thanks anyway

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Shadow__X:

i will have to note that after looking at all this server stuff now i want to add more to my myth box especially some hdpvrs

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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Beirdo:

so a guy with an i7 is having issues with playback?

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Beirdo:

granted, my frontend gets blocked (it seems) by something in the UI thread when previews happen, but certainly not on filldb

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Beirdo:

don't put your mysql db on the same drive as your recordings...

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wagnerrp:

stop being sensible

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** Beirdo realizes that he *really* likes REO Speedwagon **

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Beirdo:

the guy playing the synth/organs looks like a dork with a longshoreman's cap on though

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Beirdo:

makes him look like a pretentious git

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** wagnerrp realizes that hes probably heard tons of REO, but doesnt know any of their songs off hand **

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Beirdo:

Can't Fight That Feeling...

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Beirdo:

one of their best known songs :)

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Beirdo:

Take It On The Run

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Beirdo:

Keep On Loving You

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Beirdo:

they got a bunch of em

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Beirdo:

if you have DirecTV, you can likely still catch the concert I recorded... on DirecTV 101

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Beirdo:

Ooooh, got Toto too...

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Beirdo:

hope they played "Africa" :)

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Beirdo:

Oooh, I didn't know that

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Beirdo:

Dingwall basses... made in Canada :)

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Beirdo:

I like the looks of them

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Beirdo:

of course, maybe I should finish learning the 4-string I have before lusting after a 5-string :)

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Beirdo:

Saskatoon?!

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Beirdo:

Whaaaa?

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Beirdo:

I especially should not lust after a bass that sells for mid 4-digits to low 5-digits... if you can get one.

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ventosa:

Can anybody help with multi receiver lirc?

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ventosa:

Can anybody help with multi receiver lirc?

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Beirdo:

there's no need to repeat yourself, especially not in 10min

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Beirdo:

if anyone can, they'll speak up

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ventosa:

ok sorry

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Beirdo:

anyways, it's almost 2am, I shall drag my butt to bed. I wish you luck

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ventosa:

thanks

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ventosa:

it's 10:46 am here ;-)

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NightMonkey:

ventosa: It's better to just ask, with details, fyi.

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ventosa:

Ok: I have a multiseat setup, with 2 regular workseats and 2 media center seats. I have two MCE recievers, 1 mce remote, 1 hauppauge. I've managed to get Lirc to register two daemons /etc/lircd & /etc/lircd1. If i 'irw' to either of them both remotes register perfectly. Yet I can only get 1 receiver to respond in MythTV. The livingroom responds to both remotes, the bedroom to none. It's not a lircrc problem as the hauppauge remote signals get sent to

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ventosa:

the bedroom frontend.

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ventosa:

NightMonkey: any ideas?

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NightMonkey:

ventosa: Only that perhaps Mythtv can only listen to one LIRC device at a time?

[10:04:32]

ventosa:

Could be, but there must be a way to get each frontend to listen to a different socket

[10:04:48]

ventosa:

I know there are people out there who've done it.

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NightMonkey:

ventosa: Do you have exact copies of the lircd config on both boxes?

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NightMonkey:

ventosa: And what does "mutliseat" and workseat mean?

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ventosa:

Sure, but there not different boxes, they're 'seats' — multiple screens, keyboards, mice, remotes, speakers etc all accessing the same machine each in a private session

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ventosa:

I have 1 session for my home office, 1 for the living room, 1 for the bedroom, 1 general purpose in another part of the livingroom

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NightMonkey:

ventosa: Oh. Unless you're doing some other magic, myth is generally oriented around "hosts", not "seats" or screens. But, if you know others have done it, well, I hope they hear ya. :)

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ventosa:

That is already solved as MythTV can be fed a different local hostname for each frontend – running on the same machine.

[10:08:07]

ventosa:

It all works fine with wireless keyboards etc, but i'd rather also have a remote in the bedroom

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NightMonkey:

ventosa: OK, well, I don't think I can help you much. Good luck.

[10:10:47]

ventosa:

OK, thanks. But a cool setup nonetheless isnt it?

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nutron:

anyone here?

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nutron:

probably everyone's sleepin'

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nutron:

like they should

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highzeth:

nutron: like they should? You know earth got more than 1 timezone, right?

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sid3windr:

lulzy

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saftsack:

hey while compiling mythtv svn i get this error line: libQt3Support.so: undefined reference to `QBezier::toPolygon() const'. is "toPolygon" just in the newest qt library?

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kenni:

libQt3?

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kenni:

saftsack: that sounds like a file from Qt 3 and not from Qt 4.5+

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saftsack:

kenni: but why does this file is in /usr/lib/qt4? i think this is a "backport" library of qt4?

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saftsack:

x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.7.1 this is, how it is named in gentoo

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saftsack:

kenni: with qt3support-4.7.1 it compiles fine! 4.6.3 was too old.

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Nasha:

Hello all. I have an issue where my MCE Remote (RC 6) is all of a sudden giving me 2x button presses for all arrow keys, since adding the same hardware and config files to a new frontend. I've tried altering repeat and delay settings in lircrc, to no avail. Any suggestions on how else to rectify this?

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kenni:

saftsack: only 4.5 is required, so it must have been something else.

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Nasha:

Anyone?

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saftsack:

kenni: it's mythtv svn trunk

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Twiggy2cents:

Nasha, did you recently upgrade fedora distros?

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Nasha:

No, Ubuntu here

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Twiggy2cents:

oh

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Nasha:

Fresh install on a new frontend

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Twiggy2cents:

I was gonna say, they packaged some lirc stuff with the kernel on the latest release

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Twiggy2cents:

I dont know about ubuntu

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Nasha:

I see... Doesn't narrow things down much heheh

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Twiggy2cents:

Nasha, did you maybe make a second lircrc in you rhome folder?

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Twiggy2cents:

if you put your mouse on something that can scroll, like a webpage, does your remote's up and down buttons move the page?

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Nasha:

No. Lirc only reads from ~/.mythtv/lircrc doesnt it?

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Nasha:

which is actually symlinked from ~/.lirc/mythtv

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Nasha:

do you think that could be an issue?

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Twiggy2cents:

The lirc config that you have for mythtv is just for mythtv, lirc can control anything that it has a config file for. Even global commands if it was in your root home folder, at least that is how it works on fedora.

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Nasha:

Yes, but i meant, mythtv specific

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Twiggy2cents:

I would try pulling the lircrc outta the .lirc folder and putting it right in .mythtv or what ever you made it for.

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Nasha:

Ill give that a shot :)

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Twiggy2cents:

Nasha, if its reading the config twice then it will execute them twice

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Nasha:

Yes, that makes sense. I hope its that simple :)

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Nasha:

No success unfortunately

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Lala_Chersi:

hey how can i install myth tv on fedora 14

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Twiggy2cents:

Nasha, did you try having a webpage focused on the screena nd pressing your arrow buttons

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Nasha:

I haven't... What am i testing for

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Twiggy2cents:

Lala_Chersi, you google how to ;) Add the atrpms repo and then do su; yum install mythtv

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Twiggy2cents:

to see if it scrolls the webpage

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Nasha:

i ran xev yesterday, and arrow keys responded in xev

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Lala_Chersi:

well yum install is not working

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Twiggy2cents:

Lala_Chersi, whats it doing

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Lala_Chersi:

its giving unknown package error

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Nasha:

You need to add the atrpms repo Lala_Chersi

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Lala_Chersi:

let me google to do that thanks

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Nasha:

I think i solved my problem :)

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Twiggy2cents:

Nasha, the fact that its only the direction keys that have the issue sounds like you have a global lircrc hidden in the root of your home folder or built into your kernel

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Twiggy2cents:

what was it Nasha

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Nasha:

Twiggy2cents, thanks for your help :)

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Nasha:

Well, i dont know why it was an issue, but there was a .lircrc (didnt think to check hidden files) in ~. Its contents were includes for different programs' lircrc files. I removed that, and put my mythtv lircrc there

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Nasha:

No, i lie. Premature excitement :(

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Twiggy2cents:

take the lircrc outta the root of home

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Twiggy2cents:

that is causing your issues

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Twiggy2cents:

That is where you put one when you want a global config

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Nasha:

Just remove it completely, and have just the ./mythtv.lircrc

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Twiggy2cents:

IE the remote commands work all the time

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Twiggy2cents:

yes

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Nasha:

Ill give it a shot

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Nasha:

No luck unfortunately :/

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Twiggy2cents:

still double?

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Nasha:

I thought that might work for a second there

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Nasha:

Yes

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Twiggy2cents:

Hmm so there is no lircrc in ~/ ?

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Nasha:

Not anymore

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Twiggy2cents:

weird. did it scroll on a webpage?

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Nasha:

Yes

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Twiggy2cents:

okay keep searching for a global config then. You are getting double configs

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Nasha:

Where else could it be though?

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Twiggy2cents:

I have to go to work. But that is your problem, your desktop is using one config while mythtv is using another making it double it. Check the internet.

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Nasha:

Ok, cheers for that :)

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Twiggy|worx:

Nasha, did you figure it out?

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HRearden:

Hi. I'm getting strange errors when a slave mythbackend on is launching mythcommflag or mythpreviewgen. Things like "sh: i: command not found". It seems that it can't launch any external programs anymore.

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skd5aner:

hahha, yea right... http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2373107,00.asp

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skd5aner:

^ for those of you talking about using the kinect for something beyond an xbox

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sgsax:

"uh, yeah, we *meant* to do that, yeah, that's the ticket"

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Nasha:

Twiggy|worx no

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sgsax:

somebody must have brought up in a meeting "ya know, we could sell a whole lot more of these thingys if we let people do whatever they want with them"

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Nasha:

No idea what else to try

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Twiggy|worx:

Nasha, ask about it in #mythbuntu, ubuntu's new kernel may have it implemented in it like fedora

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Nasha:

no response there]

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Nasha:

Ive also posted on ubuntuforums, and another forum where im a mod. Not much use has come of it yet

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Twiggy|worx:

Nasha, http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=83075

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Nasha:

Its like its registering the remote as a HID with the arrow keys as well as a lirc instance

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Twiggy|worx:

It seems they are implemented too

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Twiggy|worx:

check out post three for the answer maybe

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Nasha:

Well done Twiggy :)

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Nasha:

Yeh im reading through it now, that was well found :)

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Twiggy|worx:

well it helps that I had the identical issue with fedora

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Nasha:

haha it does, but im still not exactly sure how im supposed to fix it..

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Twiggy|worx:

google how to blacklist a module

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Twiggy|worx:

actually google how to blacklist a module in ubuntu

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Nasha:

I did, add it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist

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Nasha:

But is it the mceusb driver im supposed to blacklist?

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Nasha:

And then after that, i run dpkg-reconfigure lirc, but the only options i get are conf file selection, no driver selection

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Twiggy|worx:

I think you just restart. once you blacklist it, it keeps it from loading on boot

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Nasha:

And what about reconfiguring lirc?

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Twiggy|worx:

you shouldnt have to, you have two lircs running. The one you downloaded and installled and the one built into the kernel. You are just turning off the one built into the kernel

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Nasha:

Ok, so now im not sure what im supposed to be blacklisting?

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Twiggy|worx:

The kernel lirc module

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Nasha:

Named?

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Twiggy|worx:

one of the two mce usb you pulled up outta lsmod

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Twiggy|worx:

copy what the grep output was of the command and send it to me in a pm

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sgsax:

this is probably more of a lirc question, but is there a way to adjust the sensitivity of remote button presses?

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skd5aner:

I believe so

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skd5aner:

in what way? Are you getting repeats?

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sgsax:

yeah, if I hit a button for more than a half a second, it repeats

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Nasha:

Edit your .lircrc, adding in repeat and/or delay params

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skd5aner:

in your lircrc file, you can set repeat = 0

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sgsax:

cool, thanks

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skd5aner:

if you want 0 repeat that is...

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skd5aner:

if you want it to repeat, you can set the delay, which will only take every n'th keypress it receives

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skd5aner:

oops, said that wrong

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skd5aner:

repeat = n, means that every n'th keypress will get pressed, repeat = 0 means that succesive keypresses will enver be repeated

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skd5aner:

delay = n means that it'll wait until a specific number of keypresses is received before repeating

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skd5aner:

so is mythtv the apple or the speedboat?? http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/20 . . . /075405.html

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skd5aner:

;)

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Nasha:

lol

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SerpentX:

hi

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SerpentX:

so after researching myth tv

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SerpentX:

I am considering replaceing my Bell Expressvu PVR with a mythbox

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SerpentX:

maybe someone could illuminate a few grey area's for me tho

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SerpentX:

1) Will I still need a Basic Sattelite Reciever to decode the Bell Expressvu Signal from the Satelite?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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skd5aner:

yes

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SerpentX:

on another note, is Free 2 Air dead?

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skd5aner:

if you mean, broadcast TV, no

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SerpentX:

the non-free part lets say

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skd5aner:

if you mean freeview satellite, "sorta"

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SerpentX:

the part where u may happen to recieve signals and choose to decode them thru your own decryption methods

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skd5aner:

SerpentX: such discussion is not permitted here by the channel rules

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skd5aner:

SerpentX: even if it's "legal" where you live, thanks for understanding

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skd5aner:

!url rules

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MythLogBot:

No match for keyword rules

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SerpentX:

yep, only part of my research. I like to see the full pictures

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: ^^^^ feature request

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iamlindoro:

I think you want parrot

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: would be nice to have the bot link to the channel rules :)

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iamlindoro:

The rules are in the topic ;)

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SerpentX:

Right, sorry to deviate..so assuming I have 2x bell expressvu basic recievers and 3 machines

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SerpentX:

1x mythbackend

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SerpentX:

2 frontend

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SerpentX:

umm has anyone put myth on easypeasy?

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SerpentX:

or should i format to mythbuntu?

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skd5aner:

the mythtv distros are fairly easy and basically work out of the box

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skd5aner:

but you should be able to put mythtv on any linux distro, if you can compile it

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sgsax:

even so, installing mythtv from source isn't hard

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skd5aner:

(or if some third party has packaged for it)

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SerpentX:

what about using the Software Centers?

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SerpentX:

the have Myth Control...Myth Frontend

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SerpentX:

only because i use these linux machines for other endeavors

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SerpentX:

myth will only be a new feature

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skd5aner:

To get a signal out of the bell expressvu, you'd be looking at an analog tuner. For HD over Component, you could look at the HD-PVR, or for SD over composite/s-video, you can look at the hauppage analog cards

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skd5aner:

a 1:1 tuner:stb would be required for simulataneous recordings

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SerpentX:

i see..

[16:34:47]

skd5aner:

SerpentX: not familiar with easypeasy or "software centers"

[16:35:04]

sgsax:

easypeasy is a netbook distro

[16:35:08]

SerpentX:

it's an ultralight netbook

[16:35:09]

SerpentX:

yeah

[16:35:10]

SerpentX:

what he said

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sgsax:

it's debian-based, isn't it?

[16:35:22]

SerpentX:

and i like it

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skd5aner:

If it's there, you can try it. The only thing you want to be sure of is that all machines are running the same version

[16:35:56]

SerpentX:

right

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sgsax:

ubuntu-based, actually (so really, it's debain-based)

[16:36:13]

sgsax:

there should be current mythtv binaries in the repository

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skd5aner:

apt-get install mythtv probably?

[16:36:29]

SerpentX:

ya..software center has it pretty clean

[16:36:34]

SerpentX:

so

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SerpentX:

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