Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, November 20th, 2010, 00:03 UTC

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petriborg:

Hey has anyone heard of Comcast blocking some specific NBC TV shows from clear QAM? – For example it lets me record the nightly news, or NCIS, or Hawaii Five-O but if I try to record NBC's Law and Order LA, it fails to record – I'm using an pcHDTV HD-5500 card

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wagnerrp:

petriborg: theyre simply not allowed

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petriborg:

oh btw it works in DTV just not HD

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wagnerrp:

those broadcasters register themselves as 'must carry'

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petriborg:

are they encrypting it?

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wagnerrp:

and such chanels are not allowed to be encrypted

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petriborg:

thats my understanding wagnerrp, that it shouldn't be encrypted

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wagnerrp:

by FCC regulations, they are required to be transmitted in the cleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeear

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petriborg:

so you think they are cheating on the NBC shows?

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petriborg:

comcast is such a piece of work, <choice words here>

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wagnerrp:

it happens on every episode?

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petriborg:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what would be the cause of that

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wagnerrp:

but its very doubtful that its due to encryption

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petriborg:

it works right up until the show would be on

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petriborg:

and then BAM

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wagnerrp:

perhaps lengthen your tuning timeouts

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petriborg:

why would that make a difference?

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petriborg:

i mean i understand that would make it wait longer looking for enough signal strength on the line

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Sp0tter:

why are there always "conflicting channels" when scanning them

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Sp0tter:

i get 24 then 20 conflicting

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Sp0tter:

what does that mean exactly

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iamlindoro:

It means you are on an old version of .23

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iamlindoro:

And you should be on .24, or at least a current version of .23

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Sp0tter:

hmm

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Sp0tter:

arch repo must not be udpated iwth it yet

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iamlindoro:

Fixes were months ago

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Sp0tter:

then it doesn't mean that

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iamlindoro:

If they're not in your repo now, then your repo isn't being updated

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iamlindoro:

No, it does mean that

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Sp0tter:

oky doke

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iamlindoro:

Your repo is out of date

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iamlindoro:

But hey, it's not as though I wrote the fix myself or anything

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kormoc:

that'd be crazy talk there!

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Sp0tter:

you two are kind of full of yourselves heh

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iamlindoro:

How is it full of myself to definitively tell you what the problem is, which I have a certain amount of authority to say, since I found the issue and fixed it myself?

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Sp0tter:

iamlindoro: its not what you say its how you say it

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Sp0tter:

:)

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iamlindoro:

Would it be better if I just gave up and let you believe that I must be crazy, because there's no chance the Arch repos is out of date

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Sp0tter:

those aren't the only two options

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iamlindoro:

Sorry you don't like the tone of the right answers you're getting

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iamlindoro:

good luck

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Sp0tter:

:)

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, we'll wait for your patch then if you're so convinced it's not the same bug

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Sp0tter:

i'm not convinced of anything, youguys just take everything the most negative way possible

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Sp0tter:

have you been hurt in the past

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Beirdo:

heh

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kormoc:

You're the one arguing that it's not the same bug because your repo isn't out of date

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Sp0tter:

i'm not arguing

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** Beirdo smacks iamlindoro with a piece of rebar **

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Sp0tter:

was a passing comment

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Beirdo:

there, now he's hurt.

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kormoc:

<Sp0tter> those aren't the only two options

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Sp0tter:

i'm lookinga at the arch repo list now

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Sp0tter:

kormoc: the 3rd option is to be friendly and have the right answer

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Sp0tter:

:)

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kormoc:

I don't read his words as unfriendly

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kormoc:

he just told you very... what's the word... tersely

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Sp0tter:

of cours you don't

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kormoc:

terse != unfriendly

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Sp0tter:

hehe

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** Beirdo shakes his head **

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** Beirdo makes sure he's not feeding Sp0tter. Don't want me hands bit. **

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Sp0tter:

cliche

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iamlindoro:

What is with all the people it is *impossible* to help lately?

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iamlindoro:

jesus christ, it's as though they thought they were paying us

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Sp0tter:

I do pay you.

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Sp0tter:

i pay you in love and rainbows

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Sp0tter:

when you ar e nice

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Beirdo:

the check bounced

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kormoc:

yeah... I don't want your man love....

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iamlindoro:

Sp0tter, Get this straight-- we don't *owe* you anything. If you don't like the answers you're getting, leave.

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iamlindoro:

If you don't like the way you're being treated, leave.

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Sp0tter:

see tahts exactly what i was talking about

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Sp0tter:

you take everthing to the negative extreme

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iamlindoro:

If you want to be a pain in the a, then prepare to be shown the door

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Sp0tter:

what is it kids say these days.. you are "butthurt"

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** Beirdo hads iamlindoro the "boot" **

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Beirdo:

hands...

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iamlindoro:

I'm not hurt at all, I'm just telling you that a slightly crass right answer is better than a groveling wrong one

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Beirdo:

dangit, I am having teh bad typing day

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Sp0tter:

iamlindoro: i'm saying that a firnedly right answer is the best

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, his answer was friendly

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iamlindoro:

And that the former is what you'll get here, and if you don't like it, feel free to remove yourself from this caustic environment

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Sp0tter:

and i think its weird tha tpeople get a kick out of being "Crass"

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, you're the one that took it super negative because he didn't hold your hand tightly into the uknown

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iamlindoro:

Sp0tter, You don't get a vote in what kind of answer you get-- when it's free support, it's open season

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Sp0tter:

iamlindoro: but why do you choose to be 'crass'?

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iamlindoro:

Some answers will be write, some answers will be wrong, some will be rude, some will be terse... but they'll all be free, and that's the only thing you *can* expect

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iamlindoro:

er rather, right

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Sp0tter:

no doubt it's your choice.. i'm just curious why

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, he didn't until you told him he was wrong

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Sp0tter:

kormoc: he's always crass

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kormoc:

no he's not

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Sp0tter:

alright

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Beirdo:

heh

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kormoc:

but hey, I'm just a regular who's been here for years and known him for awhile, and you've been here maybe a week, so you keep on telling me how folks act, cause obviously in your mind, I can't possibly know anything...

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dustybin:

mythvideo grabs most of my video icons, i go back watch tv, then go back to my videos, all the icons go back to [?]

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, You have metadata loading turned off in metadata settings

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dustybin:

aye ok

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, is there a reason for that option?

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** Beirdo senses that option landing on the chopping block **

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, I hate it, it's in my sights but I think there was some random reason I kept it around on the last time through

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iamlindoro:

it just doesn't occur to me ATM

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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iamlindoro:

I know that it's a legacy option from ancient hardware, so I'm automatically inclined to hate it

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iamlindoro:

I'm pretty sure it can go

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Sp0tter:

updated my mirror list, installnig .24

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Beirdo:

heh

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Sp0tter:

:)

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Beirdo:

OMG.

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Beirdo:

They gave the Cy Young Award to a Mariner?! :)

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Beirdo:

Felix Hernandez... really did deserve it though.

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iamlindoro:

Niiiiice http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1996763

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Beirdo:

Oooh

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Beirdo:

that's in the backend?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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Beirdo:

yeah, gotta be

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Beirdo:

niiice

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** Beirdo tips his hat **

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Beirdo:

this looks good for #8801 :)

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iamlindoro:

Still some nasty problems since the scanner is built expecting a GUI, but it "works"

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Beirdo:

which would get rid of the top 2 lines there

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** wagnerrp wonders when he should be removing the relevant code from the python bindings **

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iamlindoro:

Hopefully next few weeks

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Beirdo:

likely a day after it's committed in trunk ;)

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iamlindoro:

It's a bit of a drag to have to add three new persistent threads to the backend, (scanner, metadata lookup, image download) but once it's there, VIDEO_SCAN will kick off a scan and download

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Beirdo:

yeah, but we can remove one other persistent threads

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wagnerrp:

i think ill keep the filename parser around, but the mess of filescanner is gooooone

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Beirdo:

thread rather

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iamlindoro:

true

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Beirdo:

and (in spite of what someone thought on the ML), threads are fairly cheap :)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: dont feel bad, the mythsystemm stuff adds another three

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Beirdo:

heh

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iamlindoro:

I feel like this is kinda messy, though, it adds a ton of DB queries to check to make sure the master isn't trying to connect to itself (and fall back to a local search/hash when it is)... I'm sure there are ways it could be cleaner but it's escaping me right now how it could be

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iamlindoro:

Which is why I want a few weeks to try to find cleaner ways

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Beirdo:

well, it can always get a refactor later when the lightbulb turns on :)

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Beirdo:

that dang lightbulb isn't always too responsive to the switch

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Beirdo:

who's the current mythgame maintainer?

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dustybin:

mythvideo plugin for mythweb shows all my videos with updated meta data, apart from the covers, i have a symlink for video_covers in my mythweb data directory?

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, me

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Beirdo:

OK, thought so.

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iamlindoro:

Going to try to spend Christmastime on a rewrite

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wagnerrp:

bleh...

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Beirdo:

let me look over this again, but I might just update the patch on #9090 for the mythsystem rewrite (once we are ready to merge in a bit)

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wagnerrp:

somehow ALT or CTRL got locked in

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Beirdo:

then punt it back to you (unless you want to just kill it outright now)

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wagnerrp:

could type, i just kept running window commands

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: any reason to be concerned with handling local scanning versus remote scanning?

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wagnerrp:

does it cause problems if the backend tries to connect to itself?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, It refuses to do it (the scan doesn't complete)

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wagnerrp:

im just thinking it would be easier just to use one block of code, and always run over mythproto

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iamlindoro:

Oh, that should be possible, at least MythVideo should call it

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iamlindoro:

That'll be step two-ish once I'm sure that both the MythVideo scan and backend scan still work

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Beirdo:

cool

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wagnerrp:

i mean the scanning code on the backend

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wagnerrp:

rather than having independent blocks of code for scanning the local storage groups, and scanning those on a remote backend

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, not really possible right now

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** Beirdo eyes the pile of mythgallery tickets on his queue... **

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wagnerrp:

just handle everything as a remote backend

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Beirdo:

I think you little buggers are getting closed soon.

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iamlindoro:

Backend complains "Master backend tried to connect to itself" and returns ERROR

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wagnerrp:

but if the backend doesnt allow connections to itself...

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wagnerrp:

right

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iamlindoro:

When/if the breakout of the BE occurs, I'll be able to simplify

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Beirdo:

well, we could put the scanner in its own process

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

almost simultaneous thoughts :)

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iamlindoro:

scanner should likely remain in the BE

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Beirdo:

possibly

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iamlindoro:

I mean, you *could* break it out, I guess, but it's so trivial

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wagnerrp:

otherwise youre going to get people who think its a good idea to run the scanner once a minute

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iamlindoro:

I dunno, we'll figure it out, I'm still trying to work out how all the changes I made work

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Beirdo:

it would complicate life a touch for the control side though

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wagnerrp:

so that their newly downloaded content shows up on their upnp client immediately

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, they technically can... mythbackend --scanvideos

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Beirdo:

I crave a good threaded debugger

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Beirdo:

that can graphically show what's being run at what time, including being able to see what thread it was running in... like a running graph

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wagnerrp:

i think ill have another go at getting IR blasting working this weekend

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

cableco is getting really annoying with this 'switch over to a cable box or mini box' crap

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wagnerrp:

i think ive permanently lost AMC to a static page telling me to use them

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Beirdo:

eww

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Beirdo:

that's annoying

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Beirdo^2:

Hehe

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Shevegas:

I'm running the a very recent version of 24-fixes (27143) but all my NBC recordings have pixelated preview images http://imagebin.org/124016

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wagnerrp:

known problem

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Shevegas:

wagnerrp: oh, not the bad seek table thing is it?

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Beirdo^2:

There's a ticket open. With a patch attached that mostly fixes it

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Beirdo^2:

Yes it is

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Beirdo^2:

Unless there's yet another bug causing it as well

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Shevegas:

sphery mentioned that to me a while ago but I thought it was fixed a while ago

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Shevegas:

strange how it only affects my NBC station

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Beirdo^2:

The rebuilding of seektables has been

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Beirdo^2:

Yeah likely due to encoding. For me it was CBS

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Shevegas:

It's not unique to HDHomerun users is it?

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Beirdo^2:

Where the heck is the bus?

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Beirdo^2:

Nope

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Beirdo^2:

It happens to me on hdhr, atsc from my hvr2250 and on mpeg2-ps from the analog side of the 2250

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Beirdo^2:

Two functions had the same basic issue

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Beirdo^2:

The hdhr should be good with the patch

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wagnerrp:

when you import a header, you import everything else it imports, right?

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Beirdo^2:

Yes

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wagnerrp:

so why am i failing to pick up some function out of libavcodec...

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Beirdo^2:

At compile or at link time?

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wagnerrp:

compile, missing a header

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wagnerrp:

i even see the proper path in a -I.... line

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Beirdo^2:

Hmm. Maybe you need another header?

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wagnerrp:

bah

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wagnerrp:

its pulling in the system FFMPEG headers

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Beirdo^2:

Gah

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Beirdo^2:

I like the ^2. Hehe

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wagnerrp:

because... youre such a square?

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Beirdo^2:

Hey now.

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Beirdo^2:

Hehe

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ServerSage:

Hey folks, is there a way to toggle time stretch at a specific speed? In other words, I want to toggle between 1x and 1.5x with a single button push.

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bbolin:

having problems grabbing movie metadata since the upgrade to .24

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tzanger:

evening

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bbolin:

front end logs

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bbolin:

/usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Movie/tmdb.py -l en -M chris rock kill the messenger

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tzanger:

noticed something interesting with my LG tv (access myth through DNLA)

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bbolin:

this directory doesn't even exist on my mythbuntu dist

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tzanger:

all my recordings are ATSC, which is 18Mbps

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Shevegas:

ServerSage: A then use the arrow keys is about the closest, no?

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tzanger:

any show that is longer than 28 minutes is clipped to 28 minutes

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tzanger:

I was thinking maybe this was a 2GB thing on the TV side

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wagnerrp:

tzanger: sounds like a 4GB thing

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tzanger:

but 28 minutes of 18Mbps is about 3.7G

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bbolin:

No LSB modules are available.

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bbolin:

Distributor ID: Ubuntu

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bbolin:

Description: Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS

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bbolin:

Release: 10.04

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bbolin:

Codename: lucid

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bbolin:

anybody know how to fix video metadata grab

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Beirdo^2:

!trout bbolin pastebin

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** MythLogBot slaps bbolin with a pastebin trout on behalf of Beirdo^2... **

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tzanger:

just wondering if anyone else has noticed anything like this with similar systems. it's not necessarily a mythtv thing

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ServerSage:

Shevegas: PITA on a remote. But it works, yes.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will stream just fine beyond 4GB

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wagnerrp:

but your tv may be expecting a chopped up stream

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Beirdo^2:

tzanger: Sounds like a 4G issue to me

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tzanger:

wagnerrp: oh I am positive that myth knows what it's doing here

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Beirdo^2:

We only do byte ra

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Beirdo^2:

Ranges

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tzanger:

Beirdo^2: as opposed to what kind of ranges?

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Beirdo^2:

They may be trying to use time ranges or something

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tzanger:

Beirdo^2: oh I see

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wagnerrp:

tzanger: despite the name, UPNP is anything but universal

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Beirdo^2:

You'd have to tcpdump the traffic and see

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tzanger:

oh I know :-)

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tzanger:

Beirdo^2: ok. I wonder if wireshark understands upnp packets

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Beirdo^2:

Nor is our implementation complete

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Beirdo^2:

It's http with soap

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Beirdo^2:

So it should be ok with some guidance

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tzanger:

interesting

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Beirdo^2:

Hmmm. Wonder what to work on tonight

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wagnerrp:

any idea how to add include paths to the /end/ of the list rather than the beginning?

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Beirdo^2:

Ooh some tard on the bus using speakerphone on her cell

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wagnerrp:

so the local compile paths get chosen before the system libs

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Beirdo^2:

Use #include "" instead of <>

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wagnerrp:

yeah, it already is

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wagnerrp:

or should i be adding those paths to the spec file?

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wagnerrp:

i cant believe thats the proper way to do it

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Beirdo^2:

<> searches system includes

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Beirdo^2:

Then check that there is no -I for the system inclydes

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Beirdo^2:

Irc and bumpy streets don't mix well

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wagnerrp:

i have to use --extra-cflags=-I/usr/local/include or else configure barfs that it cant find lame

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Beirdo^2:

Thatsyour issue

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wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

but if i do that, it puts that path into the top of the local search path

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Beirdo^2:

Hmmm

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wagnerrp:

so any local includes get pulled from system libraries in that path

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wagnerrp:

meaning i have to have ffmpeg and mythtv uninstalled to compile mythtv

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Beirdo^2:

This is on freebsd?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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Beirdo^2:

Yeah this is unfortunate. Hmmm

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Beirdo^2:

You could install lame headers elsewhere but that's a hack too

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Beirdo^2:

I guess you could remove or rename the systems ffmpeg headers

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tzanger:

I'm grabbing packets right now, about 2 minutes to explode time

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Beirdo^2:

Ok time to get my packages. :)

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Beirdo^2:

Brb

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

one USB DVD-RW... one HD Media player (WD TV Live Plus), one pack of double salt Dutch licorice

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Beirdo:

hehe

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tzanger:

nope, my version of wireshare doesn't appear to have any knowledge of it

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Beirdo:

you have to tell it that that port (6544 I think) is HTTP

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wagnerrp:

can you still buy a non-RW drive?

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Beirdo:

think so :)

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Beirdo:

cheap buggers

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Beirdo:

WD shipped no HDMI cable

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Beirdo:

I think I have a spare

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wagnerrp:

my laptop battery light is blinking in panic

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tzanger:

well shit

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tzanger:

that works a lot better :-)

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Beirdo:

!trout tzanger language

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** MythLogBot slaps tzanger with a language trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Beirdo:

hehe, this thing comes with Baby's First Remote

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Beirdo:

tiny little thing

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tzanger:

Beirdo: I think you're right

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tzanger:

Range: bytes=3801916812-

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tzanger:

what's even weirder though is the user-agent

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tzanger:

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; LG_UA; AD_LOGON=LGE.NET; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648; LG_UA; AD_LOGON=LGE.NET; LG NetCast-2010)

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tzanger:

LG TVs run linux

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wagnerrp:

sort of

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tzanger:

myth came back with

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tzanger:

Content-Range: bytes 3801916812–8086452271/8086452272, and

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tzanger:

Content-Length: 4284535460

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tzanger:

that 4284535460 looks suspiciously like 4G

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wagnerrp:

indeed, just 10MB shy of it

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tzanger:

so myth sends a ton of data to the TV, and just as it's finishing up the TV sends back this panic attack of RST

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i think ive got it, im supposed to use -isystem instead of -I

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wagnerrp:

now why its not included in the default path... no clue

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tzanger:

hm, I'm hearing rumour that there's a setting somewhere to split up recordings into multiple files... where might I find such a setting?

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wagnerrp:

no, there is a setting to split up livetv when made without guide data at a certain time boundary

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has no support for multi-file recordings

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tzanger:

ah. ok.

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tzanger:

well this just means I have to get a frontend for this tv instead of trying to work with its upnp garbage

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: interesting

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** Beirdo unhooks the HDMI from his fitpc2, hooks up the WD UPNP box **

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Beirdo:

first step... firmware upgrade

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Beirdo:

heh

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** wagnerrp wonders if someone is going to try to record 100 separate recordings on the same channel during the same minute just to prove me wrong **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

that would take some work

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kormoc:

I'm gonna dump every block from the capture card to it's own file

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wagnerrp:

its doable

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kormoc:

that'd be 576 files per second for a 18 megabit recording!

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wagnerrp:

10 people on 10 frontends repeatedly hitting a backend with livetv

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wagnerrp:

plus the help of a DST bump

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Beirdo:

OK, this is great

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Beirdo:

as expected...

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Beirdo:

it doesn't see the backend as it's on the wrong subnet

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wagnerrp:

heh

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Beirdo:

sooo impressive

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

workin great with youtube though

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

and my TV already has netflix...

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wagnerrp:

!trout Beirdo DHCP

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a DHCP trout on behalf of wagnerrp... **

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Beirdo:

at least this one... but so does this box

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Beirdo:

DHCP doesn't make UPNP discovery get routed

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wagnerrp:

no, but if you configure it properly, it will hand out all addresses on the same subnet

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Beirdo:

and I can't make my stupid DSL modem send the multicast through

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Beirdo:

it can't

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wagnerrp:

are you not NATting?

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Beirdo:

the TV and stuff there is behind a firewall that is connected to the DSL modem over wireless

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wagnerrp:

!trout Beirdo glorious wires

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a glorious wires trout on behalf of wagnerrp... **

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Beirdo:

but the bedroom's on the same subnet as the wireless

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Beirdo:

I'll just run the long cable (ick) to the other switch :)

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Beirdo:

it's ugly, but meh

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Beirdo:

watching Greg The Bunny... from netflix

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wagnerrp:

hey, its Daniel on The Good Guys

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wagnerrp:

hes really getting around

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

OK, let's reconnect this to the other network

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wagnerrp:

apparently hes a recurring character on Smallville too

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Beirdo:

ok, let's try this

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

so far so good

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Beirdo:

but this ain't HD

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Beirdo:

let me pick a better recording to try with

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Beirdo:

ummmm

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Beirdo:

2010-11–19 19:15:25.629 MythXML::GetPreviewImage() – bad start time ''

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Beirdo:

speeeeewwwww

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Beirdo:

whaaaa?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: strike force doesnt lather each other up in motor oil

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Beirdo:

I think I found a bug

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

that spew was the upnp server asking for previews for my upnp device

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Beirdo:

this should be fun

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Beirdo:

2010-11–19 19:19:35.910 ThreadPool:HTTP: thread pool exhausted (max 20 threads)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

buttt..... it's working

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Beirdo:

and working well

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Beirdo:

1080i H.264

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Beirdo:

So, people...

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Beirdo:

if you want a UPNP Client box that seems to work well with MythTV

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Beirdo:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003MVZ60I/ref=oss_product

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Beirdo:

so far, I'm super-happy with it

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elmojo:

Beirdo: can that box do ffwd, rew, skip, etc using UPNP?

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Beirdo:

probably, let me go check :)

[04:01:31]

Beirdo:

ffwd and skip, I expect yes

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Beirdo:

let's go see

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elmojo:

I installed W7 MCE the other day and thought the UPnP interface on the PS3 wasn't all that great

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Beirdo:

seems to

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Beirdo:

you hit FF, and it goes to 2X, 4X...

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Beirdo:

when I went back to 1X, the AV sync was screwy

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Beirdo:

but that could just be a bug on our end

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wagnerrp:

nigel runs freebsd?

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wagnerrp:

plus he does osx, and does a bit of work on the windows stuff

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Beirdo:

dunno how it would be our bug, but I'm giving it a benefit of the doubt

[04:07:38]

wagnerrp:

a man of many operating systems

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elmojo:

Beirdo: how about just skipping forward and backwards?

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Beirdo:

doesn't seem to have a button for that on the remote (not many buttons)

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Beirdo:

the remote is teeny

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Beirdo:

I'll play with it more though

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Beirdo:

had it for like 2h now, and it's definitely the best one I've used yet

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elmojo:

so the right and left arrow or the |<< >>| keys don't do anything when playing back?

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wagnerrp:

not if you havent yet defined them

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elmojo:

so you have one of these also?

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Beirdo:

umm, right and left arrow seemed to do nothing

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wagnerrp:

pretty sure i have them programmed to page up/down

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Beirdo:

|<< >>| go to previous/next recording

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wagnerrp:

manual skip for commercial cuts

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Beirdo:

on the WD TV Live Plus

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Beirdo:

mmmm, gummy bears :)

[04:16:10]

elmojo:

I wonder if you are playing back a file directly (non-UPnP) if the arrow keys work

[04:16:24]

wagnerrp:

oh... you were talking about taht device

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wagnerrp:

...

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wagnerrp:

ignore me

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Beirdo:

hehe :)

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elmojo:

wagnerrp: appreciate the help

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Beirdo:

I'll play with it, see if I can't find a skip forward type of thing though

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Beirdo:

will give me something decent to debug upnp with as it will play everything I record (so far)

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Beirdo:

and apparently mkv... supported

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Beirdo:

not that I use that yet

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Beirdo, #9265

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wagnerrp:

cool, thanks

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Beirdo:

good stuff :)

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Beirdo:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

It works. A couple issues in it working, but it works and is cleaner than earlier. For some reason some non-video types aren't getting filtered out, and I haven't tested that scanner against the actual GUI

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wagnerrp:

thats what you were asking about with the bindings a few weeks back?

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iamlindoro:

Yes

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iamlindoro:

Though I'm actually testing with perl bindings

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iamlindoro:

6 of one, half dozen of the other for one command

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wagnerrp:

so scanning, parsing, and metadata should all be done automatically?

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iamlindoro:

By the time it's committed-- what is there just does scan/parse/insert

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iamlindoro:

I will probably add SCAN_VIDEOS 0/1 to decide whether to also handle metadata

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wagnerrp:

the existing 'scan videos' call in the bindings would then revert to just one, or maybe two, backend calls?

[04:24:56]

iamlindoro:

right

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iamlindoro:

probably one, with a bool

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wagnerrp:

sounds good

[04:25:25]

iamlindoro:

also lets mythweb off the hook, too

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iamlindoro:

I also need to make sure we broadcast an event on the end of a scan

[04:26:03]

wagnerrp:

we should already (at least in the frontend code)

[04:26:13]

iamlindoro:

we already have an existing scan completed event... Though I think an actual mythbroadcast is in order to tell mythvideo clients to reload

[04:26:22]

iamlindoro:

So probably both I guess

[04:26:27]

iamlindoro:

yeah, FE code does it

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iamlindoro:

just not in this new BE code yet-- was only saying it for my benefit/to remind myself

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Beirdo:

no harm in that

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Beirdo:

ahhh, gummy bears.. then dubbel zoute licorice

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iamlindoro:

HA

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Beirdo:

my two favorite candies, back to back :)

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iamlindoro:

that's why it's inserting unknown files

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: I'm assuming the answer is no but is there currently anyway to make the scanner not process certain directories?

[04:29:03]

iamlindoro:

on the BE videolistunknownfiletypes is on

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, current answer is no

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elmojo:

cool

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elmojo:

I wish it wouldn't scan all my family videos, workouts, etc

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iamlindoro:

I really want to someday figure out folder metadata, but it'll be a boatload easier when I'm only worried about SG and not SG + Local folders

[04:30:06]

Beirdo:

for sure

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, Ah, you can mark those as "processed" and it won't do metadata lookup, at least

[04:30:30]

iamlindoro:

it'll still scan them into the DB, but won't do lookup

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elmojo:

ah... that's what I want

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elmojo:

thanks

[04:31:24]

iamlindoro:

MENU->Edit Video Details->Disable Updates

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iamlindoro:

np

[04:31:41]

elmojo:

cool... I'll have to use that

[04:31:57]

iamlindoro:

Obviously it would be nice for many of these options to be applied to entire folders

[04:32:05]

iamlindoro:

I just don't have an idea of how to do that right

[04:32:09]

iamlindoro:

not yet

[04:32:18]

elmojo:

I did notice in 0.24-fixes that after a scan it seemed to be importing metatdata for videos that already had metadata

[04:32:27]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, only the first time

[04:32:37]

iamlindoro:

the auto-scan does it then marks them as processed

[04:32:45]

elmojo:

ah... cool

[04:32:53]

iamlindoro:

the processed flag is new so by default it's set to 0 on everything

[04:33:00]

elmojo:

so it shouldn't happen again except for new files, right?

[04:33:03]

iamlindoro:

I guess if I had thought about it I would have made it 1 on all existing metadata

[04:33:05]

iamlindoro:

right

[04:33:10]

elmojo:

cool

[04:34:03]

elmojo:

it made playback choppy on the frontend I was using when it decided to start downloading metatdata for my entire library :)

[04:34:15]

Beirdo:

heh

[04:34:18]

Beirdo:

ooops

[04:34:18]

elmojo:

that my av-sync code had gone mad

[04:34:23]

elmojo:

err, thought

[04:34:40]

iamlindoro:

another issue solved by backending it :)

[04:35:54]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, better to make recording choppy than playback. ;)

[04:36:06]

iamlindoro:

it's all threaded ;)

[04:36:38]

wagnerrp:

recording wont be affected if you have a worthwhile backend

[04:36:48]

** Captain_Murdoch is still thinking off and on about the master sending itself a command. **

[04:37:17]

iamlindoro:

would sure simplify my code if it could

[04:37:25]

Captain_Murdoch:

my minipogomicroplug should be able to handle it. I overclocked it to 233Mhz by putting a piece of aluminum foil over two of the pins inside.

[04:38:57]

iamlindoro:

Heh, my BeagleShivaPogoMini is 133 Mhz and I used pencil graphite

[04:39:36]

iamlindoro:

Hmm... it may be time to remove the "list unknown file types" option

[04:39:43]

iamlindoro:

since you can get the same effect by just using file browse mode

[04:42:08]

Captain_Murdoch:

allowing master -> master via a socket would be a total hack. best solution I can think of is to move all that code into a class or backendutil.cpp so it can be used by mainserver and directly by the caller if the app is the master.

[04:42:52]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, If we get to that point, I'm happy to remove some of the hackier bits of this-- it should be really simple code but is not for precisely that reason

[04:43:23]

Captain_Murdoch:

which backend command is it that you need?

[04:43:33]

iamlindoro:

QUERY_SG_GETFILELIST

[04:43:44]

Captain_Murdoch:

ok. taking a quick look.

[04:43:46]

iamlindoro:

as called in RemoteUtil::RemoteGetFileList

[04:43:51]

iamlindoro:

and the hash code

[04:43:58]

iamlindoro:

so QUERY_FILE_HASH

[04:44:17]

wagnerrp:

surprisingly little to this patch

[04:44:19]

iamlindoro:

as called from RemoteFile::FileGetHash (or whatever I called it)

[04:44:25]

wagnerrp:

i guess its all already in the shared library

[04:44:31]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, yeah, exactly

[04:44:55]

iamlindoro:

mostly it's telling the scanner to avoid the GUI bits when it doesn't have a GUI, adding the --scanvideos command to mythbackend, and the scanner part itself is tiny

[04:45:02]

Beirdo:

FileGetHeroin

[04:45:07]

[R]:

wagnerrp: so i legitimately said "whats the point of a hole if you can't put anything in it" at work today

[04:45:41]

Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, looking at how simple that code is, it doesn't even seem like it's worth moving, just call sg.GetFileList() like you're doing now. most of that code in mainserver would have to stay since it handles proxying to a slave and other stuff.

[04:46:03]

Captain_Murdoch:

hash code is in a lib also isn't it?

[04:46:14]

iamlindoro:

Hash code is in RemoteFile IIRC

[04:46:15]

Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: you want me to commit the patch from #9236 (with the addition you mentioned last night?)

[04:46:27]

Captain_Murdoch:

Beirdo, if it's working fine, sure.

[04:46:39]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, The part I don't like is having to constantly compare the host IP to the master IP... it just stinks to have to do that

[04:46:48]

iamlindoro:

I can live with what I've posted, I just wish it could be prettier

[04:46:53]

Beirdo:

OK. I'll doublecheck with an animated map first, then commit if it's still happy there

[04:46:54]

Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, if you don't do it in your code, we'd have to do it in the wrapper

[04:47:15]

Captain_Murdoch:

if it was used in multiple places, I can see a wrapper making sense.

[04:47:23]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, well, the wrapper only necessary because I can't talk to myself ;)

[04:48:07]

iamlindoro:

But maybe if we eventually split everything out some of this can go away

[04:48:24]

Captain_Murdoch:

but the wrapper would have to see whether it was the master or not in order to know whether to do sg.GetFileList() or send the MBE the command.

[04:48:55]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, well right, but I'm saying if the MBE could actually speak mythproto to itself, the wrapper could be avoided

[04:49:34]

Captain_Murdoch:

only way to do that is allow the socket or have some form of command/response queue that allows other parts of the master to send commands through mainserver.

[04:50:44]

Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, FileHash() is in util.cpp in libmyth, so you can access it directly as well if you're on the master.

[04:50:59]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, I think that's what I'm doing in the patch

[04:51:11]

Captain_Murdoch:

ah, I haven't read over it yet.

[04:51:13]

iamlindoro:

See the changes to libs/libmythmetadata/videometadata.cpp

[04:52:08]

iamlindoro:

OK, yay, this is working more or less as expected now

[04:59:06]

iamlindoro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bEOrsJkijE&am . . . yer_embedded

[04:59:07]

iamlindoro:

yay

[05:06:24]

wagnerrp:

!seen nutron

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MythLogBot:

nutron was last seen 1 day 18 hours 41 minutes 45 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

someone might want to point that ticket out to him next time he comes around

[05:07:05]

iamlindoro:

Why, was he building a scanner?

[05:07:09]

wagnerrp:

he may be developing something similar for the perl bindings

[05:07:11]

iamlindoro:

ah

[05:07:23]

iamlindoro:

yeah, best to hold up, I may get this done in the next few days

[05:08:05]

iamlindoro:

well, basics should be committable tomorrow, I could add the metadata handling later I guess

[05:08:24]

iamlindoro:

But since that will affect the proto command I guess it's best just to get some sort of metadata grabbing done first

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Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: got another problem for ya

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Beirdo:

hehe

[05:12:34]

Beirdo:

when I reloaded an animated gif, it seems to have screwed up the animation

[05:12:38]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo, the udev ticket... what was your thinking in reopening it? (The guy is wrong, we only use libudev when it's installed and myth is compiled against it)

[05:13:03]

Beirdo:

he's not wrong, actually

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Captain_Murdoch:

MythLogBot Captain_Murdoch was last seen 3 day 12 hours 16 minutes 32 seconds ago

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Beirdo:

the call to udevinfo is still there

[05:13:23]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo, Right... but only when not using libudev

[05:13:27]

Beirdo:

correct

[05:13:35]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: seems hes not wround

[05:13:36]

iamlindoro:

It was left there for legacy purposes

[05:13:40]

wagnerrp:

*around

[05:13:46]

Beirdo:

and all I plan on doing is changing that call to "udevadm info"

[05:14:01]

iamlindoro:

ie, it was left there for a release or two and was to get removed entirely once people got used to needing libudev

[05:14:07]

Beirdo:

oooooh

[05:14:18]

Beirdo:

how many releases ago, 1?

[05:14:31]

iamlindoro:

Think that was in .22, but would need to check when the commit was

[05:14:44]

iamlindoro:

ok, 4 months, so .23

[05:14:58]

iamlindoro:

hmm,. I guess .24, heh

[05:14:58]

Beirdo:

OK, so it's time for it to go then

[05:15:02]

Beirdo:

oh

[05:15:06]

iamlindoro:

4 months ago was post .23, my bad

[05:15:07]

Beirdo:

dangit

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Captain_Murdoch:

Beirdo, animation out of order or not moving or what?

[05:15:49]

Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: it righted it self after a bit, but I reloaded when it was at frame 2, and it would do 1-2-1-2-1–2 for a bit

[05:16:05]

Beirdo:

then somehow righted itself to 1-2-3-4-5-6–1

[05:17:35]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: my thinking is just set it to udevadm info, and we can still delete it for 0.26, I guess

[05:17:53]

iamlindoro:

Hey, they're your hours ;)

[05:17:56]

Beirdo:

or should we just yank it now, for 0.25?

[05:17:59]

wagnerrp:

http://gizmodo.com/5694764

[05:18:24]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo, I dunno, might be worth bringing it up in the daytime to see how people feel-- I think libudev is a perfectly fair requirement... what distro doesn't ship that?

[05:18:36]

iamlindoro:

I'd be happy pulling the legacy stuff

[05:18:41]

Beirdo:

yeah, agreed

[05:18:49]

Beirdo:

remind me tomorrow if I forget :)

[05:19:17]

Beirdo:

that particular code is one of the things we tweaked anyways

[05:19:27]

Beirdo:

so I figured while we were there...

[05:19:59]

Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: I think I'll commit as is anyways, unless we have a quick fix on this, I guess. It doesn't stay borked

[05:20:18]

Captain_Murdoch:

how long till it righted itself, just a second or multiple seconds?

[05:20:32]

Beirdo:

a few seconds

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sphery:

what's with all the users complaining of sluggish OSD in 0.24? Are others seeing this?

[05:20:52]

sphery:

I'm not...

[05:21:02]

Beirdo:

I'm seeing the complaints :)

[05:21:20]

sphery:

heh

[05:21:31]

** sphery should be more precise when asking questions **

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Beirdo:

heh

[05:21:59]

Beirdo:

I have not noticed my OSD being sluggish

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sphery:

yeah... wonder if it's renderer-specific

[05:22:17]

Beirdo:

my frontend's E5400, so not exactly underpowered

[05:22:36]

sphery:

or, maybe a bunch of users have OpenGL with softblend OSD or some other broken config

[05:22:43]

Beirdo:

are these people on Atoms or something, or to they even devulge said info?

[05:22:49]

iamlindoro:

I'm not seeing any sluggishness

[05:22:53]

sphery:

oh... yeah, could be atomicity

[05:23:15]

sphery:

one guy says Ubuntu 64 bit... do atoms do 64?

[05:23:16]

Beirdo:

I'm just thinking... slow CPU, or as you said... borked GL setup?

[05:23:21]

Beirdo:

some do

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Beirdo:

doubt the ones that are in ION setups do though

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sphery:

here's one that says 1.8GHz C2D

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sphery:

1GB GT220 and 2GB ram

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Beirdo:

the one in my firewall does 64-bit according to lscpu

[05:25:07]

Beirdo:

it's a D510

[05:25:13]

sphery:

heh: "Now that the OSD was consolidated with MythUI, the sames goes for the OSD as with the other UI elements: it is very much dependent on the theme's complexity. Arclight for instance is performing slower then, say, Childish or Mythbuntu."

[05:25:20]

sphery:

well, that explains it... they're using Arclight

[05:25:26]

sphery:

when will people learn

[05:25:26]

Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

the desktop atoms are 64-bit, the mobile atoms are not

[05:25:39]

Beirdo:

surprised he didn't blame the background :)

[05:25:50]

sphery:

iamlindoro, now melting CPUs in the UI /and/ the OSD

[05:25:53]

tgm4883:

Beirdo, the atom 330 appears to do 64-bit

[05:25:54]

iamlindoro:

Heh, doing the metadata lookup in the backend is going to require fairly substantial amounts of code-- at least a couple hundred lines

[05:25:59]

iamlindoro:

wonder if people will revolt

[05:26:05]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I try

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tgm4883:

and IIRC, I have an ion in mine

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Beirdo:

yeah, so some Atoms are 64-bit, even ION.

[05:26:17]

Beirdo:

good to know

[05:26:20]

sphery:

tgm4883: are you seeing this osd sluggishness?

[05:26:30]

tgm4883:

sphery, what osd sluggishness?

[05:26:46]

iamlindoro:

exactly

[05:26:50]

sphery:

heh, yeah

[05:26:57]

sphery:

users are saying things like, "Overall it's great, but I've noticed that the OSD menus are quite sluggish, with a good 1/2 second or more delay between pressing a key and the menu selection updating."

[05:27:00]

tgm4883:

I'm using the mythbuntu theme, but if there is something specific I need to check for I will

[05:27:12]

tgm4883:

let me test

[05:27:18]

sphery:

it sounds a lot like broken config or broken OpenGL or video drivers

[05:27:42]

Beirdo:

why do I have "I Wanna Be Sedated" running through my head?

[05:28:03]

sphery:

heh

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tgm4883:

sphery, doesn't seem sluggish

[05:28:16]

tgm4883:

it feels right to me

[05:28:25]

tgm4883:

let me test with my telnet remote to be sure

[05:28:26]

sphery:

Beirdo: Ramones have some great songs

[05:28:34]

Beirdo:

so true

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sphery:

tgm4883: thanks for testing... I really can't imagine mythtv being the cause

[05:29:38]

tgm4883:

sphery, seems fine to me

[05:29:46]

sphery:

I'm thinking these users must have broken configs or systems

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Beirdo:

does seem more like borked setup to me

[05:30:01]

sphery:

unless, of course, some distros put out mythtv packages without MMX support, again :)

[05:30:28]

Beirdo:

heh

[05:30:46]

Beirdo:

then they'd be running 486 code... on a 64-bit system

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Beirdo:

that would be tragic :)

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sphery:

oh, yeah, kind of impossible to do x86_64 without MMX

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Beirdo:

you CAN run 486 code on x86_64

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

why you'd wanna, dunno

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Beirdo:

let's optimize for 8088

[05:32:20]

Beirdo:

yeah..

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sphery:

heh

[05:33:05]

Beirdo:

at a blazing 4.77MHz, wasn't it?

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sphery:

heh, at least now users are blaming other stuff for their needing super-powerful frontends: [mythtv-users] flash-capable frontend

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

the per***t flash-capable FE?

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** Beirdo kicks Flash in the nads **

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Beirdo:

got a Simple Minds concert playing on the TV right now

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sphery:

heh, good thing you censored that statement so you don't get kicked :)

[05:35:50]

sphery:

ooh, I like Simple Minds, too

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Beirdo:

it was on HDNet :)

[05:36:19]

Beirdo:

1080i concert footage from Isle of Wight

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sphery:

on last Sunday, I was watch a recording from last Friday, when I found out that the Spin Doctors had a show in Orlando on Saturday...

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Beirdo:

you missed it/

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sphery:

this is the only problem with recording and watching later

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wagnerrp:

didnt we drop support for the dreambox several versions ago?

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Beirdo:

I thought so

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wagnerrp:

meaning we can no longer capture off of it?

[05:38:47]

wagnerrp:

or is that page supposed to use it with analog capture like any other box?

[05:40:13]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, just change mythtv to use utc, real quick

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Beirdo:

heheh

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sphery:

was just reading Re: [mythtv-users] Store Recording Previews in a seperate location

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Beirdo:

maybe we'll tackle that... some decade

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sphery:

after all the bugs are fixed, we should be able to find time

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wagnerrp:

i dont see why people hate the stock filename scheme

[05:44:07]

wagnerrp:

its not like they should ever see it

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Beirdo:

I like it

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Beirdo:

it tells you which channel and starttime

[05:45:05]

Beirdo:

what's so bad about that?

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wagnerrp:

"its not unique"

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Beirdo:

ummm, yes it is

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wagnerrp:

yes, yes it is

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Beirdo:

unless somehow you are recording the same thing from the same source at the same time

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wagnerrp:

and then... it would still be unique

[05:46:03]

Beirdo:

yeah

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, just tell them they are more than welcome to open a ticket and submit a patch that you can mark as won't fix

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wagnerrp:

the last two digits are an autoincrement, not seconds

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Beirdo:

you sure it's not used as seconds in some places?

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Beirdo:

incorrectly, perhaps :)

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sphery:

I think livetv uses seconds

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sphery:

but it will increment if there's already a file with the same name

[05:51:32]

sphery:

but I may be way wrong on that

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sphery:

(I don't have lots of experience with livetv)

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Beirdo:

I THINK that's how it works

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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Beirdo:

doesn't matter.. they are unique regardless

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Beirdo:

wow, how many people are at this concert? looks like > 100k

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sphery:

" I'm using the RPMfusion package which is currently based on plain 0.24."

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sphery:

what? are they using the release-0-24-fixes tag?

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iamlindoro:

sounds like release-0–24

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Beirdo:

OK, love this song

[06:07:18]

Beirdo:

Don't You Forget About Me

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wagnerrp:

i thought you were at a concert

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Beirdo:

hehe, no, watching one on TV :)

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Beirdo:

OMG

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Beirdo:

#9266

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Beirdo:

here we go AGAIN

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wagnerrp:

nice response

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Beirdo:

he attached shortly after :)

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Beirdo:

and I'll work on that later... but I wish it would just die

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wagnerrp:

trac seem hosed to you?

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Beirdo:

yup

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hackbox:

hello, I'm trying to provide a gdb backtrace for a win32 frontend compiled with debug options and I have a question

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sphery:

definitely slow trac

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sphery:

I wish I could win 32 frontends... I only have the one TV, but I'm sure I could figure something to do with all those frontend computers.

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Beirdo:

there it goes

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sphery:

yeah, now it seems really broken? can't connect here.

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hackbox:

sphery: 0.23 frontend worked pretty well but there's a problem since 0.24 for playing recordings

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sphery:

what problem?

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt

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wagnerrp:

(bit of a problem)

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

ok, so trac seems to work, now

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sphery:

ah, xris just restarted it... thanks, xris

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hackbox:

sphery: I just can't watch any recording, but the LiveTV is fine. I have a ticket opened already, and I want to provide debug information. The frontend die with a "Cannot unlock an unlocked lock" message.

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xris:

sphery: something borked after I resync'd to the re-built svn repo

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sphery:

hackbox: hmmm... I don't konw anything about the windows port--let alone what might have changed that would affect it. :(

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sphery:

might have better luck posting a question to the mythtv-users list--since a lot more people would see it

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hackbox:

sphery: I understand, I feel a little bit alone in the win32 world :) I'm able to compile my own build with debug option enabled, but when I run the binary thru gdb, it just exit with code 03, and no backtrace is available. Thanks for your hint, I will try posting on the mailing list!

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jya:

so I bought Toy Story 3 on bluray yesterday... What's the best way to watch it with mythtv ?

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jya:

Play DVD, just show me a grey screen for about 5s or so, and then go back to the previous menu

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jya:

BD is region A,B and C

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Azelphur:

I store my stuff in mythvideo by [series]/[season x]/[series SxxExx], Everything but the [series] folder has cover art, what would cause that?

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Azelphur:

so for example I have /Human Target/ which has no cover art, but /Human Target/Season 1 and Season 2 both have cover art, and all the episodes inside those directories have cover art

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Azelphur:

got the same issue with Human Target, Merlin, Stargate and Sanctuary

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Azelphur:

but for lots of other stuff it works fine

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Azelphur:

figured it out, they are all shows that have the same name as another show, I had to provide the date as shown on thetvdb in the folder name "Human Target (2010)" that fixed it :)

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wagnerrp:

Azelphur: correct, the image search only works for grandparent folders who have the same name as the title of grandchild videos

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Azelphur:

:)

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Azelphur:

don't suppose there's any way I can magically fix 513 near enough completely bogus name'd files?

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wagnerrp:

meaning what?

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Azelphur:

all the episode numbering is wrong on them, just the titles are correct

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wagnerrp:

videos are hashed, rename them and mythvideo will detect the changes and update on the next scan

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Azelphur:

yea mythtv can't grab in the first place since they are all bogus

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wagnerrp:

re-parsing the filename requires the content be flushed and imported fresh

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Azelphur:

yea, but it can't import because the file names are all bad :p

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wagnerrp:

you might be able to work up something with the python bindings

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wagnerrp:

they have metadata grab/import support

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Azelphur:

yea that's what I figured

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Azelphur:

if I'm going to work with python I may as well rename them to have names that arn't completely insane though

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wagnerrp:

you can always get the metadata fixed up, and use that to bulk rename your content

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Azelphur:

I've always wondered how to do that

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wagnerrp:

mythtv cant do it natively, but thats not stopping you from pulling the information from the database and doing it yourself

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Azelphur:

I see

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Blitzmerker:

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wagnerrp:

whats the problem?

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Blitzmerker:

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wagnerrp:

'video source' is an abstract concept

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wagnerrp:

in your case, it would be 'channels on astra 19.2'

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wagnerrp:

the source holds all your channels and guide data

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wagnerrp:

which can then be mapped to multiple tuners or capture inputs

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Blitzmerker:

do I need a grabberscript?

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wagnerrp:

yes, mythtv is next to useless without good guide data

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wagnerrp:

you may be able to get by with EIT data pulled out of the broadcast

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wagnerrp:

but most people use xmltv grabbers with mythtv

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Blitzmerker:

the frequency-table would be europe-west?

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wagnerrp:

dont know about that one

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stuartm:

for Germany yes, in 0.24 that should be auto-configured to the correct value

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stuartm:

although only for new users

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Blitzmerker:

If I do a complete-channel-scan it I get an error that somthing with the transponderfrequency if wrong

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Blitzmerker:

stuartm: 0.24?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv 0.24

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Blitzmerker:

ok I got that

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Blitzmerker:

But why can't I do a channel scan?

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wagnerrp:

you added the tuner card?

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wagnerrp:

you added the source?

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Blitzmerker:

yes

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wagnerrp:

you mapped the source to one of the inputs on the tuner card and set up the necessary disecq information?

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Blitzmerker:

disecq?

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wagnerrp:

special communications protocol for satellite equipment

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Blitzmerker:

I set it to LNB – Europe universal

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wagnerrp:

allows the tuner to talk to and manage the LNB, rotors, and any switches you have

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wagnerrp:

i thought it was needed for all satellite setups, i could be wrong

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wagnerrp:

ive never used satellite

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Blitzmerker:

the tuner card is a DVB DTV Card(v3.x) right?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Blitzmerker:

any Idea what I am doing wrong?

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wagnerrp:

youre in mythtv-setup, step 4?

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Blitzmerker:

step 4?

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wagnerrp:

in mythtv-setup, there are 7 options

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wagnerrp:

when setting up a new system from scratch, they pretty much need to be followed in order

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wagnerrp:

you should see a line like '[ capture card ] (input) -> source name'

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Blitzmerker:

yes I do

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wagnerrp:

as long as that source field is populated, meaning you have mapped the input to a source

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wagnerrp:

you should be able to go in there and run 'scan for channels'

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Blitzmerker:

if I do thar I get an errer that something is wrong with the transponder frequency

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castlec:

hey guys. my wife pointed out that my playback is squished. how might i fix it?

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garthoverman:

would someone be willing to help me get my Hauppauge remote working with mythtv in Mint 10?

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garthoverman:

my IR receiver is part of the PVR-150 i have installed, but im not actually using that tuner for tuning

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wagnerrp:

so you actually want to get the IR blaster working

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garthoverman:

no i cant seem to get it to receive signals from the remote

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garthoverman:

:/

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garthoverman:

it was working in ubuntu 9.10, but i decided for whatever reason i wanted to upgrade

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garthoverman:

tried mythbuntu 10.10, no luck

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garthoverman:

mythbuntu-lirc-generator doesnt seem to help

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garthoverman:

i get the conf files but i get no inputs

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garthoverman:

like irw registers no keypresses

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garthoverman:

and yes, i changed the remote batteries. :)

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garthoverman:

i do not have and /dev/lirc0

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garthoverman:

all there is is /dev/lircd

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sphery:

"I didn't think to check the backend. Incorrect permissions on the scripts and it was missing lxml. It's working better now." How can packages be installing bindings without the prerequisite modules? Didn't the packagers notice that we now include all the info on dependent modules?

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wagnerrp:

since theyre not building, merely installing

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wagnerrp:

our checks dont occur

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sphery:

right, but shouldn't they have updated their packages to include the info we now list in configure

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sphery:

so the packages know the proper dependencies

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sphery:

guess we'll just have to pass the info on to packagers

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BluesKaj:

is the ati tv-wonder-pro supported on mythtv ?

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wagnerrp:

no, the DVB API is supported on mythtv

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BluesKaj:

looked around google-linux but seems like a real mixed bag of confusing info

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wagnerrp:

if the tv-wonder-pro has drivers conforming to the DVB API, mythtv can use it

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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BluesKaj:

ok thanks wagnerrp , guess i'll have to check into tvtime, my card isn't supported...it's pretty old anyway

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wagnerrp:

totally didnt get the point...

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mothy:

is there a simple way to transcode to xvid or x264

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iamlindoro:

x264 is a program, presumably you mean H.264

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iamlindoro:

you can set up a user job to invoke ffmpeg/mencoder/whatever you want

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mothy:

is this a good tutorial, its kinda old and i'm running the latest mythbuntu http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=346778

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high-rez:

Does myth handle audio output internally or is this taken care of using an external library (aka ffmpeg) ?

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clever:

high-rez: i believe there is a copy of ffmpeg inside the mythtv source

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high-rez:

clever: Yeah, I know that. I'm curious if its using spdifenc from libavformat or implements its own version.

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carter05_1:

Hello, I have problem with MythTV 0.24. I have this message in log: "DTVSM(/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(5034) desired(5031)". What does this mean?

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high-rez:

It means while it was looking in the program mapping table for PID 5031 it encountered 5034

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high-rez:

That doesn't mean it didn't find 5031

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high-rez:

Its just listing the ones it did find

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carter05_1:

Ok, so it's not a problem, right?

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Azelphur:

Does anyone know how to force background/coverart images? Like how you can force the folder icon with folder.jpg

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Azelphur:

I mean fan art rather than cover at

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Azelphur:

I'm terrible at spelling today :(

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iamlindoro:

There is no way to force it, the fanart will be the fanart for the first valid item in the subfolder

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Azelphur:

iamlindoro: every item in the subfolder is a folder, and has fan art

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iamlindoro:

Thus it descents into the second level

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Azelphur:

not for me :(

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Azelphur:

I have /Stargate/Stargate (Atlantis|Universe|SG-1)

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Azelphur:

all 3 have fan art

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Azelphur:

but /Stargate/ doesn't

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iamlindoro:

oh, well it's not going to descend then

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Azelphur:

why not?

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iamlindoro:

Stargate/Season x/Stargate is the only condition under which it will descend two levels

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iamlindoro:

because having it randomly descend until it finds something produces horrible results

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Azelphur:

ah

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iamlindoro:

One level produces relatively reliable results, and two when the subfolder is Season x and the grandchild has the same title as the grandparent folder

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iamlindoro:

But that's it

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iamlindoro:

It would also be a massive waste of resources to blindly descend

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Azelphur:

yea, I think a way to force it like folder.jpg would be cool though

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iamlindoro:

unlikely I'll ever add anything like that

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Azelphur:

why? :(

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iamlindoro:

Because the folder.jpg stuff is a legacy behavior, and the code that added it is a disaster, and I won't have any more of that mess in my plugin

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Azelphur:

so there's no way (and never will be a way) for me to have fan art on grouped series like Stargate?

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iamlindoro:

I'm far more likely to allow folders to have metadata, at which point they would be able to have artwork of all kinds assigned to them-- but even that is a long way off

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Azelphur:

unless I split them out into separate folders

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iamlindoro:

Azelphur, Not using images dropped into the folder, no

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Azelphur:

ah, that's cool then

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iamlindoro:

And folder metadata is very low on my list, it will likely be some time before I get to it

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Azelphur:

hehe I'm happy with the metadata idea, as long as there's a way to do it at some point

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Azelphur:

yea, it's only minor

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iamlindoro:

I'll get there eventually, though

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iamlindoro:

just that big projects keep jumping the line ahead of it

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Azelphur:

hehe I know that feeling

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carter05_1:

I have this message in log: "RingBuf(myth://10.1.6.1:6543/14138_20101120193000.mpg): RingBuffer::Reset() nonzero readpos. toAdjust: 1 readpos: 22868 readAdjust: 1845962412". What does this mean?

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iamlindoro:

carter05_1, Are you going to pop in for every single log message that doesn't make sense? Myth has a LOT of log messages. It's a debug message for the ringbuffer, it would help a lot if you waited for an actual perceived problem to arise... or are you seeing a problem?

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carter05_1:

I see the problem. LiveTV is stuck for a while. Sometimes the front-end crashes.

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darkdrgn2k3:

hey all

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darkdrgn2k3:

so now that 2.4 is finished whats new in trunk?

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darkdrgn2k3:

is tjhere a list

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iamlindoro:

assume you mean .24

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** kormoc shakes his head sadly **

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iamlindoro:

read the release notes, right at the top of the wik

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iamlindoro:

i

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iamlindoro:

and just like was linked in the release announcement

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darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: naa im alowasy trunk but asking for release notes of an unreleased version is kinda stupid

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darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: so i guess i should ask whats in the works for 25

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iamlindoro:

We don't work that way

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darkdrgn2k3:

?

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iamlindoro:

What will be in .25 is whatever any of us decides to work on

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darkdrgn2k3:

yes

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darkdrgn2k3:

but usualy you guys have an idea of what you would LIKE to see

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iamlindoro:

So read commits over the next six months

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

We don't work that way

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darkdrgn2k3:

usualy you are arleady workign on SOMETHING lol

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iamlindoro:

We, we all have our individual projects

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darkdrgn2k3:

well you kinda did last 2 releases :-P

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iamlindoro:

You can find out what they were in the .25 release notes when that comes out

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darkdrgn2k3:

LOL FIND dont tell me

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darkdrgn2k3:

im not sakin you to commit to anythign.. shees :_p

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iamlindoro:

find: invalid syntax

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darkdrgn2k3:

LOL

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darkdrgn2k3:

fine

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darkdrgn2k3:

but you guys usualy have a vision of what you want to see in myth in the next release... but w/e

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darkdrgn2k3:

ill just read the dam SVN

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iamlindoro:

as you should be as a trunk user anyway, and watch your language

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darkdrgn2k3:

you know i always look forward to your rants...... they are always unique and one of a kind :)

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iamlindoro:

I aim to please

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darkdrgn2k3:

:) out of ALL the ppl i ran into on irc over the years you rival only one other... not sure which one is more entertaintring

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darkdrgn2k3:

I enjoy you guys actualy put SO much effort into NOT answering a question.. HAHAH.. i do my best to learn but it seem to REALLY be and art..

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darkdrgn2k3:

ooo "Complete libmythui support for animated GIF in MythUIImage "

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darkdrgn2k3:

acutaly while im here a more serious question

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darkdrgn2k3:

ive seen really wierd artifacts forming watching some MKVs

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darkdrgn2k3:

it seems in static areas (areas that dont differ between frames) there are patches that get "agitated" or shaky blocks almost and progressivly worst untill what seems like a keyframe where the snap back into a solid

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darkdrgn2k3:

any idea what it may be

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iamlindoro:

You're using VDPAU, most likely with an inadequate number of buffers, and with a very poorly encoded MKV

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iamlindoro:

See the VDPAU wiki page for how to increase the number of buffers

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darkdrgn2k3:

i dont think its encoding of MKV as on a cpi dont see it

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** iamlindoro sighs **

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darkdrgn2k3:

*cpu

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iamlindoro:

complain when you don't get answers, and then complain when you do

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darkdrgn2k3:

dont thin im using VDPAU.. i mean i didnt got in and actualy set vdpau, so unless its a default LOL which if i know some of the devs here it will enver be...

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iamlindoro:

The above is the correct answer, take it or leave it

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darkdrgn2k3:

but ill check it

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darkdrgn2k3:

PS: its not an HD videio.. its a converted DVD

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darkdrgn2k3:

*video*

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iamlindoro:

Not that that makes the slightest bit of difference

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darkdrgn2k3:

my point is with a quad core and NON hd videio i dont reall yNEED vdpau..

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darkdrgn2k3:

but ye

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iamlindoro:

k, good luck

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darkdrgn2k3:

off to the wiki i go thanx for the pointer

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darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: confirmed i dont think im acutaly using VDPAU

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darkdrgn2k3:

http://imagebin.ca/view/JwTZWowO.html

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darkdrgn2k3:

or is it enabled or use regardless?

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Ryushin:

So now that I'm running .24, I was reading that native DVD ripping support was removed. Does anyone know of any ripping programs that will work with IR?

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iamlindoro:

Ryushin, None remote based that I'm aware of

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Ryushin:

Crud. I'm missing that ripping option.

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iamlindoro:

Ryushin, Handbrake is really sort of the gold standard. Alternately, you could set up a backgrounded script and invoke it from a custom menu item

[20:16:42]

Azelphur:

sigh, MythTV is costing me money :(

[20:16:46]

Azelphur:

I keep having to buy hard drives.

[20:16:50]

iamlindoro:

Ryushin, I don't think there is any near term plan to restore it. It more or less falls under MythVideo, and I'm the one who removed ripping as the code was unmaintained and would no longer compile. Until it's possible to do it with a simple library/API, it probably won't see a return

[20:17:02]

Ryushin:

I was also hoping have blu-ray support too, now that I can play back blu-rays fine.

[20:17:16]

iamlindoro:

That's even more unlikely

[20:17:35]

Ryushin:

Thanks for crushing my dreams. :)

[20:17:39]

iamlindoro:

Ripping DVDs is more or less mature, ripping Blu-ray effectively in linux with open source code is way off

[20:17:47]

iamlindoro:

Just trying to give you a realistic picture

[20:17:51]

darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: out of curiosity why doesnt myth support NON-encrypted blueray structure?

[20:18:05]

iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k3, Who said it didn't?

[20:18:17]

darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: hmmm last time i looked into it i was told "forget about it"

[20:18:19]

iamlindoro:

and it's "Blu-ray"

[20:18:27]

iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k3, You misremember or misunderstood

[20:18:36]

Ryushin:

Azelphur: How are you running out of space with 2TB drives available now?

[20:18:46]

darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: hmm... oddd ... i remember i couldnt get it to work.. to play an ISO..

[20:18:51]

Azelphur:

Ryushin: I already have 2TB in there, I'm buying another 2TB :/

[20:18:59]

iamlindoro:

ISO is an entirely different matter

[20:19:11]

Ryushin:

Azelphur: Oh, then that's good. I have 9 TB available. :)

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darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: you where reffering to m2ts?

[20:19:19]

iamlindoro:

we don't support Blu-ray ISOs, nor does anyone else on linux, since the library to parse blu-ray doesn't support ISO

[20:19:20]

Azelphur:

Ryushin: haha dam you :P

[20:19:35]

iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k3, ISO is not the only way to retain the structure of a disc

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iamlindoro:

Simply taking the BDMV folder and copying it in to a folder with the movie title works fine

[20:19:55]

Ryushin:

My main server has most of the disk and I NFS mount the disk array to the myth box.

[20:20:00]

iamlindoro:

ie Lethal Weapon/BDMV/

[20:20:02]

darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: hmm good to know thanx!

[20:20:36]

Ryushin:

darkdrgn2k3: I can play back the blu-rays that I rip with a windows program that I use from my wife's computer.

[20:20:45]

darkdrgn2k3:

back to my problem.. could it still be VPDAU even though i dont have it set as part of my playback profiles?

[20:21:19]

darkdrgn2k3:

http://imagebin.ca/view/JwTZWowO.html <- dont see vpdau therefor wiki instructions to increase buffers kinda ussless.. unles i ADD vpdau

[20:23:26]

mothy:

is MythExport still valid or has something replaced it?

[20:23:39]

iamlindoro:

mothy, MythExport isn't code we write or distribute

[20:23:46]

iamlindoro:

mothy, You'd need to ask in #mythbuntu

[20:23:50]

mothy:

ahh ok

[20:23:54]

iamlindoro:

mothy, As far as I know it is still developed

[20:23:55]

darkdrgn2k3:

hey stupid question if i have trunk back in 2.4 ... will an svn update give me trunk of 2.5

[20:24:03]

iamlindoro:

those are not myth versions

[20:24:10]

Ryushin:

I do have a questions about dvb OTA tuners. I know myth added support for having two virtual tuners in my one tuner. But can each virtual tuner record on a different frequency or does it only work at recording sub channels of the same frequency? I.e. 6–1, 6–2. But not 6–1 and 9–1.

[20:24:23]

darkdrgn2k3:

osrry

[20:24:26]

[R]:

Ryushin: same frequency

[20:24:27]

mothy:

What is the easiest way to transcode to a xvid or something similar?

[20:24:31]

[R]:

Ryushin: how would it make sense otherwise?

[20:24:32]

darkdrgn2k3:

withh svn up date give me trunk or 2.4 release

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iamlindoro:

there is no such thing as 2.4

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darkdrgn2k3:

im such a retard

[20:24:55]

darkdrgn2k3:

sorry

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iamlindoro:

trunk is trunk, therefore any update to trunk will just give you more up to date trunk

[20:25:16]

iamlindoro:

they bear no relation to release numbers

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Ryushin:

[R]: Maybe since it was digital it could tune more than one frequency. But that is why I was asking.

[20:25:20]

iamlindoro:

like the trunk of a tree

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darkdrgn2k3:

hmm ok thanx

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[R]:

Ryushin: the hardware is what tunes

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darkdrgn2k3:

guess im compiling trunk again then :)

[20:26:05]

Ryushin:

[R]: That is what I thought. I wanted clarification though, just in case.

[20:28:51]

darkdrgn2k3:

hmm

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darkdrgn2k3:

"Fix DishNet programid and seriesid parsing"

[20:29:00]

darkdrgn2k3:

how are ppl using dishnet EITs?

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darkdrgn2k3:

is there a hardware cam?

[20:29:10]

iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

Dish EIT is unencrypted

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darkdrgn2k3:

aaa

[20:29:32]

** darkdrgn2k3 loves living in canada! **

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iamlindoro:

Not that being in canada has anything to do with Dish

[20:30:05]

darkdrgn2k3:

nop

[20:30:19]

darkdrgn2k3:

except we cant (legely) purchase dish service

[20:30:23]

darkdrgn2k3:

legaly

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iamlindoro:

You have Bell

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darkdrgn2k3:

yes.. we have bell...........

[20:30:55]

iamlindoro:

which uses the same birds and predominantly the same programming

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darkdrgn2k3:

umm no bell doesnt use the same birsds.. LOL

[20:31:24]

sphery:

but doesn't allow them to scream entitlement and steal programming while feeling that they're not breaking laws

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darkdrgn2k3:

we use 92 81 dish is liek 110 and stuff

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iamlindoro:

umm, yes, it most certainly does

[20:31:45]

iamlindoro:

Dish and Bell *both* use echostar birds

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iamlindoro:

Including multiple birds carrying programming for both

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darkdrgn2k3:

um no

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darkdrgn2k3:

bell has only 2 birds in the sky

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darkdrgn2k3:

dish and bev have the same SPEICEIS of birds

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iamlindoro:

wrong

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darkdrgn2k3:

but differnt physical birds

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** darkdrgn2k3 mozziees on to lyngsat **

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iamlindoro:

In fact, the last two birds Bell sent up are half-leased to Dish

[20:33:08]

darkdrgn2k3:

http://www.lyngsat.com/nimiq1.html <- bell ONLY

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darkdrgn2k3:

http://www.lyngsat.com/nimiq4.html <- bell ONLY

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darkdrgn2k3:

bell did BUY (or lease or w/e) a dish bird few years ago when one of theirs went 1/2 dead but since they put a new on in orbit

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iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k3, let it go

[20:34:03]

darkdrgn2k3:

bev only usses one of 2 birds

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iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k3, or just plain go

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darkdrgn2k3:

and they have NO dish programming on it

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iamlindoro:

wronngggggggo

[20:34:28]

iamlindoro:

but hey, whatever

[20:34:36]

darkdrgn2k3:

http://www.lyngsat.com/nimiq4.html http://www.lyngsat.com/nimiq1.html

[20:34:40]

iamlindoro:

conversation over, darkdrgn2k3

[20:34:45]

iamlindoro:

last warning

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darkdrgn2k3:

*sigh*

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darkdrgn2k3:

yes all powerfull op man :(

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iamlindoro:

that's the spirit

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darkdrgn2k3:

LOL but if you know somethign the rest of us dont please update lyngsat for geeks liek me who like to know this kinda stuff LOL thast ALL im gonna say

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** darkdrgn2k3 goes back to his myth compile... **

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Chiwauwa:

I'm about to take the last step in my migration from an old hw on 0.23 to a new hw on 0.24. Only question remaining is how to migrate the recordings. I have the files on a NAS, so it is about the db. How safe is it to update my existing 0.23 to 0.24 and then 'copy' the tables as mentioned here: http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/tips/migrate-recordings.html&nb sp;?

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stuartm:

Chiwauwa: if you are upgrading your existing 0.23 install then all you need to do is copy the files over to the new storage group location, mythtv will be able to find the files with no further help

[22:20:19]

stuartm:

the existing install will have the recordings already in the database, you shouldn't need to follow that guide

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Chiwauwa:

stuartm, thinking ... :-)

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Chiwauwa:

stuartm, I currently have one setup with 0.24 on new hw working independently of the old setup ... they are not using the same db on my NAS.

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stuartm:

eww

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stuartm:

well then you can follow the guide in that url, but I'm not personally going to vouch for the safety of those actions

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Chiwauwa:

stuartm, this manual insert in the db is not something I like either. But at least ... if the upgrade from 0.23 to 0.24 goes smooth then that is my backup solution.

[22:30:30]

Chiwauwa:

stuartm, upgrade on my existing setup.

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Chiwauwa:

I got wol and automatic wakeup running on the new setup ... this is going to improve the experience a lot :-)

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Chiwauwa:

stuartm, got my 0.23 up and running on 0.24 .... pyyyeewwww :-) Let's see if the import works. At least I have no complaints about different schemas now.

[23:33:31]

Chiwauwa:

The import of recorded tv meta data also worked – used the instruction provided at the link written earlier.

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: you half-way into doing -lmythmetadata?

[23:39:03]

iamlindoro:

?

[23:40:20]

Beirdo:

/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmythmetadata-0.24

[23:40:32]

Beirdo:

maybe you missed a file in the commit :)

[23:40:37]

iamlindoro:

nope

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iamlindoro:

compiling fine her, libmythmetadata has been there for months

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Beirdo:

interesting

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** Beirdo scratches his head **

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iamlindoro:

has existed since before .24 by a couple months, so probably three months

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iamlindoro:

looking good on two systems, in fact-- have you made distclean?

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Beirdo:

yeah, but I will again to be sure

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Beirdo:

and clear the ccache

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iamlindoro:

sounds like what could happen if you didn't make distclean on mythtv/programs

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Beirdo:

it does :)

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Beirdo:

trying again

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Beirdo:

well, you JUST added it to program-libs.pro

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Beirdo:

in 27308

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Beirdo:

could be related

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Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

it is

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Beirdo:

typo

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Beirdo:

+LIBS += -L../../libs/libmythmetdata

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Beirdo:

missing an a :)

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iamlindoro:

weird, wonder why it allowed it here :(

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iamlindoro:

oh well, I'll fix

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Beirdo:

beats me :)

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Beirdo:

thanks, dude :)

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Beirdo:

typos happen

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sid3windr:

tpyos happen!

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iamlindoro:

Odd, though, I tested on two systems with distcleans before committing... oh well

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iamlindoro:

fixed now

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Beirdo:

it likely worked as you've done a make install and that lib is in the system lib path

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Beirdo:

that would be my bet :)

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iamlindoro:

I'm confused, though

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iamlindoro:

your error message spells it properly

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iamlindoro:

and is of -l, not -L

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Beirdo:

yeah, it's just the line saying what dir to find it in that's wrong

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iamlindoro:

oh well

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Beirdo:

the -l is right, but the -L has a typo

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

so it likely found it on your system lib path.

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iamlindoro:

thank you for finding the issue

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Beirdo:

no prob :)

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