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Friday, November 19th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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Shadow__X:

but yes point taken sorry, just thought it was worth a shot

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Beirdo:

ya never know

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JEDIDIAH__:

I have my Mac boot drive on a USB hard drive. Have you tried running the OS install disk and running the disk utility therein? will it let you partition the thumbdrive?

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JEDIDIAH__:

linux in general will. This seems to drive windows nuts (partitioned thumb drives that is)

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, which part of bootable are you having issues with? the bootable partition flag or ?

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JEDIDIAH__:

for a mac os disk I don't think the apple tools even address the bootable flag

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: i am not sure whats not happening but i am able to dd the .img file over and have the files show up but am unable to boot to it

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Shadow__X:

what do i use to check the boot flag fdisk?

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JEDIDIAH__:

try plugging it into the mac when you're in the boot select mode (Alt key during boot)

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Shadow__X:

JEDIDIAH__: should i try with fdisk first?

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kormoc:

you can use fdisk to add a MBR and set partitions as bootable, aye

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JEDIDIAH__:

I don't know if fdisk can create the necessary partition table for a Mac.

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JEDIDIAH__:

MacOS disks are not normal...

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kormoc:

JEDIDIAH__, given he's creating a linux image....

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Shadow__X:

yeah i am trying to dump a .iso converted to .img to a usb drive so i can boot from it and install linux

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JEDIDIAH__:

oh. ok. I had the wrong idea.

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Beirdo:

http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download

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Beirdo:

go to #2

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kormoc:

I think fdisk -I -f dos might do the trick

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Shadow__X:

Beirdo: yeah i know i tried that already

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Beirdo:

select USB stick, Mac, click on "show me how"

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Shadow__X:

Beirdo: yup followed it to a tee

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, fdisk -e might be your best bet

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: ok thanks

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kormoc:

it allows you to interactively edit the disk

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Shadow__X:

hmm this is weird under fdisk /dev/rdisk1 it says unsused after each partition

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JEDIDIAH__:

what are you going to install this on?

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, did you partition it in disk util and dd onto disk#s#?

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Shadow__X:

JEDIDIAH__: well right now a laptop with a busted cdrom

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: no i followed what the ubuntu site said and dd'ed to /dev/rdisk1

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kormoc:

ahh, you won't have a partition then

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Shadow__X:

oh right

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Timrit:

good day. i need to hook my sons ubuntu box up to my mythbackend but am getting something about version 23056 and the frontend ubuntu supplies is version 56. i had to move the backend up because my other frontends are arch. could someone tell me what do i have to add to my sources.list?

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kormoc:

Timrit, might want to try #mythbuntu

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tgm4883:

Timrit, The Mythbuntu team provides updates for MythTV and Mythbuntu package using the Mythbuntu Repos http://mythbuntu.org/repos

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tgm4883:

you need 0.23.1

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Timrit:

thanks i will try there

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: should i put it in a partition then?

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kormoc:

I would, but I haven't done this before

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Sp0tter:

when I use OTA only, i have programming guide info OTA for all channels.. when I get free unscrambled channels through my cable (many of which are the same) , there is only guide information for about half, and furthermore one of them that has alway had it just stopped having it two days ago. Why is it so fickle? Is it just the way they decide when and what to transmit or could there be a technical problem.

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Sp0tter:

Love,

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Sp0tter:

Sp0tter

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sphery:

the user asking on mythtv-users for a query to display all movies he's recorded makes me want to actually get around to doing the Previously Recorded page for MythWeb that's been on my TODO for ages

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Sp0tter:

mythweb is so wonderful

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sphery:

(complete with filtering and ordering)

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sphery:

yeah, and it would be better if it allowed something like that so users didn't get into the db

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sphery:

and misinterpret things...

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Methuselah:

so i need to truncate my mythtv video metadata part of the database. would it be similar to " truncate table capturecard"

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Hilikus:

hey guys. i'm looking for a mobo with a builtin video card which has HDMI to hopefully use with mythtv. any suggestions?

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Methuselah:

basically i corrupted my videos part of the database and this was the closest thing i could find on the web

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Methuselah:

hIlikus when you geting it

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Hilikus:

Methuselah: hopefully today, why?

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Methuselah:

because if you were getting it next month i would suggest something else

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Hilikus:

if it's worth the wait i'd consider it. is there something amazing coming out next month or what?

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Hilikus:

i forgot to mention it has to be Socket 775

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Methuselah:

Are you just using it for mythtv?

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Methuselah:

No gamming, etc.

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Hilikus:

basically. i run a web server and some other things but mythtv is its main use

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Hilikus:

no, no gaming

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Methuselah:

is this something thats going to be sitting in your livingroom or office?

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Hilikus:

yes, livingroom

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Hilikus:

im hoping for quiet/low power since it's on 24/7

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Methuselah:

You know cuz you might want something smaller for a livingroom

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Methuselah:

and more attractive

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Hilikus:

i don't care about the physical size, but noise and power i do

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Methuselah:

In january amd will release bobcat, which will be perfect for mythtv

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Methuselah:

No more than 18 watts

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Methuselah:

has about a 5450 videocard within the cpu

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Methuselah:

There is really nothing close to this imho right now

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kormoc:

Methuselah, other then the mac mini's now?

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Methuselah:

you will be paying more money or more power

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kormoc:

Hilikus, the mac mini is a very efficient piece of hardware that is really really quiet

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kormoc:

mine runs at an average of 15 watts being a backend and frontend

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Methuselah:

yeah mac mini is great if you want to spend 300 more dollars

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kormoc:

the nvidia card is worth it

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kormoc:

the ati cards are worthless for myth

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Hilikus:

what about intel?

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Hilikus:

video

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kormoc:

same, pretty much worthless

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kormoc:

(currently)

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Methuselah:

.25 will be adding va api

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Methuselah:

ati is much better cards, just drivers have been worse

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kormoc:

Methuselah, as one of the developers I can speak with some authority. That is not set in stone nor is it one of the primary goals

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Methuselah:

but they are caughing up, if not caught up

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Hilikus:

Methuselah: bobcat is not a good idea for hd, that i want to eventually have

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kormoc:

more then a decent chance that vaapi will not make 0.25

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Sp0tter:

Hilikus: i was afk, i highly suggest the one i'm using

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iamlindoro:

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH

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Sp0tter:

let me get you a link

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iamlindoro:

Anyone who thinks VA-API and ATI are even CLOSE to catching up to VDPAU is on something or willfully ignorant

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Sp0tter:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131653

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Hilikus:

thanks Sp0tter

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Sp0tter:

asus mini itx atom + ion

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Sp0tter:

I have two of these, bought one liked it then got another for the bedroom

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, hardly recommended for a backend + web server

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Sp0tter:

kormoc: I know that you do not support my setup

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Methuselah:

just because mythtv doesn't have it working doesn't mean its worthless

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Sp0tter:

but as I 've said mayn times, i've never had a problem with it

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iamlindoro:

Methuselah, It's *not* without worth, it's just not remotely ready for use in *any* application

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Shadow__X:

the thing is with the mac mini you have a large amount of performace especially watt per watt compared to anything else

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kormoc:

Methuselah, I said worthless for mythtv

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, you're running mysql on that?

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Sp0tter:

yea

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iamlindoro:

And the same problems that plagued those working on the Myth implementation are present in release versions of all other software claiming to support it

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Sp0tter:

i have the backend, frontend, mysql, webserver

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Sp0tter:

and other things running

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iamlindoro:

namely, that it tends to crash the driver, X, and the system as a whole, especially when used against ATI hardware

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, and how long does a reschedule take?

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Sp0tter:

its using 4.6% cpu right now with my g/f wathcing Charlie Brown

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sphery:

since when has choosing the right hardware for the job been a good plan? that's crazy talk.

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Sp0tter:

kormoc: what's a "reschedule"

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iamlindoro:

I'll step up-- VA-API is, in ANY application, not ready for everyday use

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crazy_eddie:

Sp0tter, a fairly often run task that stresses the database a fair bit

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iamlindoro:

The API hasn'

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Hilikus:

what's the current status of hd? wrt hardware, linux support and mythtv?

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Sp0tter:

I don't know how long it takes, I haven't heard of it

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crazy_eddie:

Sp0tter, backend logs should have something like "Scheduled 2516 items in 9.3 = 0.01 match + 9.33 place"

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iamlindoro:

Hasn't solidified, it doesn't support basic things like deinterlace, and on various drivers it has a tendency to crash your system, hard, no matter what software you're using

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iamlindoro:

so yeah. VAAPI sucks. And wishing for it to be otherwise won't change matters

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crazy_eddie:

Hilikus, works wonderfully on nvidia hardware or a fast enough cpu

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Methuselah:

Alright I will believe you that va-api isn't up to snuf yet.

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Sp0tter:

2010-11–18 20:09:43.551 Scheduled 8 items in 0.2 = 0.08 match + 0.08 place

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, 8 items is hardly typical usage for myth

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Sp0tter:

i'm sure it can scedule as many as needed

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, that typically is exponential in time

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, go schedule a few thousand and see how long it takes

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Sp0tter:

kormoc: I only have OTA so a few channels a few shows

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Sp0tter:

so maybe that is why i haven't seen what yo uare saying yet, i'ms ujre you know what you are talkin gabout

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Sp0tter:

for me the atom + ion works awesome

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Sp0tter:

i can't imagine it would have a problem with scheduling

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kormoc:

but yeah, you're a extremely lite user unlike the majority of folks

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** sphery only has OTA and has >1400 recordings (and probably has gotten 30 new ones since Monday) **

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Sp0tter:

but its not somethign I know about and i'm not interested in being a negative nancy with you

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Sp0tter:

kormoc: i'll scedule some more thigns sometime and check it out

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Sp0tter:

would be cool if there was a benchmark script

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Sp0tter:

dealing specifically with scheduling for myth

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kormoc:

it wouldn't be hard to write one I guess

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kormoc:

it would just extend my manual scheduler profiler one...

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Twiggy2cents:

sphery, do you just record all the shows of interest, even if you are home to see them?

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Sp0tter:

kormoc: did you get a chance to read my question early about transmitted program guides?

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kormoc:

nope?

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sphery:

Twiggy2cents: yeah, I record everything and then watch at my leisure

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Twiggy2cents:

ohh, I have no night life so I only have to record conflicting shows.

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Twiggy2cents:

How many channels do you pull ota?

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Sp0tter:

when I use OTA only, i have programming guide info OTA for all channels.. when I get free unscrambled channels through my cable (many of which are the same) , there is only guide information for about half, and furthermore one of them that has alway had it just stopped having it two days ago. Why is it so fickle? Is it just the way they decide when and what to transmit or could there be a technical problem.

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kormoc:

I record anything and am so far behind, they're commflagged long before I get to watch them

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, aye, EIT data on cable is entirely up to the cable co on what they send out, when they send it out, etc

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sphery:

Twiggy2cents: actually record all new series every year (plus all series I've been watching or recording from previous seasons), and wait until I hear people say if it's worth watching. If not, I delete without watching. I seldom watch shows during the season--usually stay at least a season behind so I can do things on my schedule--even avoid cliff hangers. :)

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, it could be they're stripping it and failing on certain channels

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Sp0tter:

I need to change them to manual and set the times for the shows on that droppd channel i guess

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Twiggy2cents:

except smallville? You seemed to be burning through the episodes a while back

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sphery:

Twiggy2cents: really only record from the major US networks (ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, CW, PBS) plus a few movies, etc., from MyTV and this (an independent station)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: is bluray iso support currently a technical impossibility due to the decoding libraries?

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, Schedules direct will have the data, $20 per year, 1 week free to start (which gives you 3 weeks of data)

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Sp0tter:

if you have two tuners (i have a kworld usb one, and a haup 1250) does it try pulling guide information from both if they have the same channel?

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Twiggy2cents:

how often do you find a movie worth watching on this? Its a bit outta my generation

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Sp0tter:

kormoc: $20 per year violates me, part of the coolness is that its all free

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, I can't comment on that, but I'd assume so if they're hooked to the same channel source

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, More or less, yes. I spent some time looking at linux ISO/UDF libs to see if I could build my own implementation but it was looking like a lot of frustration for little gain

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sphery:

Sp0tter: Free != free

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, we're nonprofit, so it's not like we're making money off of ya...

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, You'd think that there'd be a working UDF 2.5 library wherein you could basically treat it like a filesystem, but nooooo

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sphery:

Free is freedom.

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Sp0tter:

kormoc: I know, it just doesn't seem like something that I should have to pay for.. its free information

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Twiggy2cents:

Sp0tter, its a $1.66 a month

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Sp0tter:

i might look into webscrapers or write a little script for one of the websites

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, sadly it's not. it's owned by the stations and they charge TMS to get it

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sphery:

MythTV is a luxury DVR, and if $20/year for the same data TiVo users pay $15/mo to get makes you mad, you don't see the true value of MythTV. (IMHO)

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Sp0tter:

Twiggy2cents: its not about cost, its just about the feeling

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, and that's breaking the site's TOS and they'll block your IP if you do that

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wagnerrp:

Sp0tter: the problem is that all the websites that provide listing data have terms of use that prevent such grabbers

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Twiggy2cents:

so check out the feeling of recurring monthly tivo charges

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Sp0tter:

ah ok

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iamlindoro:

Sp0tter, Wait, so stealing gives you a better feeling?

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iamlindoro:

We're going to be good friends, I can tell

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Sp0tter:

like i said, $20 is meaningless.. i agree .. i just like that my setup has no regular charge

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** iamlindoro adds Sp0tter to his list **

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, and a lot of the data, TMS actually creates. They pay people to write descriptions for shows, compile actor/actress info, etc

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Sp0tter:

kormoc: interesting

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sphery:

what, information /doesn't/ want to be free?

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sphery:

who'da thunk?

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kormoc:

I have a 1 and a 0, therefor I own all information because they're made up of 1 and 0s

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iamlindoro:

1 is a wholly owned trademark of Kormoco

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Sp0tter:

kormoc: half of my channels don't have information, can it still idetnfiy them? they dont even have the chan names

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Sp0tter:

can schedules direct still identify it i mean

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Sp0tter:

by location and frequency or something

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sphery:

Yeah, kormoco is trying to extort me for the 1 pro edition.

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sphery:

I barely even get the $50K/yr benefito out of 1 Standard

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kormoc:

it should, but silicon dust's site should be able to tell you if we would or not

[01:46:04]

iamlindoro:

If your channels are identifiable by *you*, then they can be associated with schedules direct lineups

[01:46:16]

kormoc:

sure, you can always do it by hand as well, aye

[01:46:26]

iamlindoro:

ie, you tune the channel, say "This is Disney," look at the XMLTVid for disney in your lineup, and put that into your channel info in myth

[01:46:27]

sphery:

and a free 7-day trial will tell you if Schedules Direct provides listings for those channels

[01:46:52]

Sp0tter:

true

[01:47:58]

sphery:

anyway, the listings I get from TMS through Schedules Direct is probably the most value-for-money of any product/service I've ever bought

[01:49:14]

sphery:

that said, I would happily pay money for MythTV or GNU apps or Linux or ... I use them because they're Free, not because they cost nothing.

[01:49:44]

Sp0tter:

sphery: what if you only had 16 channels

[01:49:49]

sphery:

and the most expensive phone I've ever had is a Free phone that cost me $400

[01:49:57]

kormoc:

Sp0tter, you're talking to another OTA only guy

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iamlindoro:

Sp0tter, Sphery *does* only use OTA

[01:50:03]

sphery:

all my other phones have been free and were nothing like Free

[01:50:09]

Methuselah:

Does anyone know how to wipe the metadata for the video section out of the database?

[01:50:11]

Twiggy2cents:

Sp0tter, I have it and I only have 5 channels, and I only use about 3

[01:50:25]

Sp0tter:

hehe

[01:50:26]

Sp0tter:

cool

[01:50:31]

Sp0tter:

thanks for the ifno

[01:50:32]

Sp0tter:

info

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kormoc:

Methuselah, remove the storage group, scan for changes

[01:50:55]

sphery:

Sp0tter: exactly, only OTA

[01:50:58]

Twiggy2cents:

it really is nice, when I get time I am going to change from the free trial to the year subscription

[01:51:19]

Sp0tter:

Twiggy2cents: the thing is right now i only record regular shows.. so we know what time they come on.. we don't do a lot of just browse and watch stuff

[01:51:33]

sphery:

or remove directories from storage group, right? (point it at an empty dir)

[01:51:41]

kormoc:

sphery, sure

[01:52:04]

Methuselah:

thanks trying that now.

[01:52:13]

kormoc:

Sp0tter, like specific actor? set up a power schedule to get shows they're in, like a topic, schedule for that topic in the description

[01:52:25]

kormoc:

Sp0tter, half the power of myth is the super flexable scheduling

[01:52:36]

Twiggy2cents:

Sp0tter, if you want to download a whole series, your EIT probably wont provide the episode number or orig. air date. Which is very useful to keep from downloading reruns

[01:52:45]

sphery:

like to actually see all of the show when the network gives you a "super-sized" episode that ends 5min late?

[01:52:50]

Sp0tter:

kormoc: as you saw, i only have 8 things i record :) but yea that might change if i had that kind of power

[01:53:05]

Sp0tter:

sphery: yea I set mine to recrod 2 minutes over

[01:53:09]

Sp0tter:

because that happened to me twice

[01:53:16]

sphery:

there's sufficient variation in the schedules--even normal schedules--I can't imagine trying to keep up with doing it manually

[01:53:28]

Sp0tter:

well it transmits most of them

[01:53:38]

Sp0tter:

right now i only have to do it manually for 1 channel

[01:53:39]

sphery:

you'd be spending an amount of time scheduling that's worth /far/ more than $20

[01:53:47]

Sp0tter:

like i said, its not about the $20

[01:53:52]

Sp0tter:

i agree its worth it :)

[01:54:00]

sphery:

oh, you're using EIT data?

[01:54:04]

Sp0tter:

yea

[01:54:10]

sphery:

well, good luck when they start the re-runs :)

[01:54:21]

sphery:

EIT = say goodbye to duplicate checking

[01:54:34]

sphery:

and "good quality" recording history

[01:54:39]

Sp0tter:

well we know when the season ends becaus ewe watch the finale

[01:54:49]

Twiggy2cents:

sphery, half of my new smallvilles were downloaded over EIT :( I wish I would of got my account before they started

[01:54:57]

Sp0tter:

this is the first time in 20 years that i've not had a monthly cable bill

[01:55:04]

Sp0tter:

its ncie to say "this is 100% free of all usage charges"

[01:55:25]

Sp0tter:

and by 20 i mean 8

[01:55:31]

Twiggy2cents:

Sp0tter, the dupes come from the sneaky thanksgiving/christmas/etc breaks they sneak in the series

[01:55:41]

sphery:

Twiggy2cents: yeah, you can actually manually mark them never record when you see them on upcoming recordings

[01:55:58]

sphery:

and half a season won't be too bad--even if you re-record that half season, you can just delete them

[01:56:04]

Twiggy2cents:

yeah true

[01:56:14]

wagnerrp:

Sp0tter: the other option is to petition your local broadcasters to provide accurate, long term guide data over EIT

[01:56:29]

sphery:

assuming sufficient capture devices that you don't get conflicts and miss something else because of it :)

[01:56:33]

Twiggy2cents:

after they record, I will just check the orig. air dates and clean up using that

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Sp0tter:

how far in advance is the guide data through schedules direct?

[01:57:29]

Twiggy2cents:

2 weeks

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Sp0tter:

ok i'm sold

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Sp0tter:

:)

[01:57:50]

wagnerrp:

it updates at two weeks out, and again at one day out

[01:58:24]

Twiggy2cents:

Sp0tter, I found for my prefrence is to turn off the genre guide colors, with just a few channels it doesnt really matter

[01:59:06]

Sp0tter:

and its going to catch all the 2 minutes over stuff?

[01:59:10]

Sp0tter:

thats pretty sexy

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sphery:

Sp0tter: out of curiosity, how much were you getting through EIT? Maybe 2 days?

[01:59:23]

wagnerrp:

no, it will not

[01:59:28]

wagnerrp:

for stuff that is going either

[01:59:32]

wagnerrp:

s/either/over/

[01:59:47]

wagnerrp:

you will either need to add a permanent extension to the rule

[02:00:02]

wagnerrp:

or add a specific override for that show

[02:00:17]

sphery:

Sp0tter: but the TMS listings actually know when the show is scheduled to air from 8:00–9:01, etc... they give 1-minute resolution on scheduling

[02:00:24]

wagnerrp:

some channels /do/ list that the show will start a few minutes early or late if thats how they schedule

[02:00:36]

wagnerrp:

but schedules direct cannot account for unexpected overruns

[02:00:39]

sphery:

so it will catch those--just not recording /past/ the end of the scheduled show

[02:00:50]

sphery:

or the unexpected

[02:01:08]

wagnerrp:

in theory, you /should/ be able to do that using EIT

[02:01:19]

wagnerrp:

but stations never actually update their guide broadcasts for such events

[02:01:25]

sphery:

heh, yeah, now/next on one of my channels is 10min off

[02:01:37]

sphery:

10min after the new show starts, now shows the right show

[02:01:42]

kc:

I'm trying to figure out why I am getting "waited 100ms for video buffers" and "RingBuf(...): Waited 0.2 seconds for data to become available" for anything coming over NFS since I upgraded to .24

[02:01:47]

sphery:

before it shows th eprevious show

[02:02:13]

sphery:

and most stations never update now/next for unexpected schedule changes, anyway

[02:02:28]

kc:

I have async (in exports and fstab) and actimeo=0 in fstab. Does not seem to help

[02:02:36]

sphery:

er, never update the when it will end stuff

[02:02:50]

wagnerrp:

wait, isnt async for nfs bad for mythtv?

[02:02:54]

sphery:

might actually handle now properly

[02:03:14]

kc:

sync is bad according to the perf opt page

[02:03:35]

wagnerrp:

im talking about for in-progress recordings

[02:03:52]

kc:

I'm only using NFS for videos, not recordings

[02:03:54]

wagnerrp:

to be honest, you shouldnt be using NFS on anything but backends that need to record to remote disks

[02:03:55]

kc:

recordings are local

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt be using NFS for videos either

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kc:

My videos are on another box :\

[02:04:32]

wagnerrp:

another box with a backend?

[02:04:36]

kc:

No

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kc:

I just mounted my movies on my backend

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Methuselah:

sphery and Kormic, thanks so much it worked.

[02:09:06]

Sp0tter:

kormoc: why is sceduling exponential growth, does it brute force?

[02:09:09]

Sp0tter:

*shudders*

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Sp0tter:

sounds like a constraint satisfaction problem with a min conflicts herustic would be suffiicent and ridiuclously faster

[02:10:47]

** wagnerrp awaits patches **

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Sp0tter:

thats a good idea

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, you have a growing history to contend with along with user defined dynamic schedules

[02:13:23]

Sp0tter:

hmm

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, standard solutions to this style problem don't really match up

[02:13:37]

Sp0tter:

just more constraints

[02:13:43]

Sp0tter:

thats why its called constraint satisfaction

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kormoc:

but growing constraints

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iamlindoro:

"just" is a word used always used by people who have approximately 0% chence of actually putting their money where their mouth is

[02:14:33]

Sp0tter:

iamlindoro: that's uncalled for

[02:14:38]

iamlindoro:

Prove me wrong

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iamlindoro:

I've been here for *years*

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Sp0tter:

whether i do or not will have nothign to do with your comments

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Methuselah:

Ok basically i have bunch of iso that i backed up with anydvdhd quite a while ago. I put all my iso's in storage group for videos. No i want the nice metadata(fanart) but alas am having problems making it stick. Like if i hit "retreive details" it updates an individual dvd fine but if I exit and enter again it does not Keep the metadata.

[02:14:59]

Sp0tter:

i didnt say I was going to impliment it, or committo that

[02:15:03]

iamlindoro:

and never once has someone who looks at a problem for five wseconds and decides we're doing it wrong turned up with a better solution

[02:15:21]

iamlindoro:

In 100% of cases it's been posturing

[02:15:28]

Sp0tter:

well I'm qualified to evaluate it, ovbiosuly i can't just say i have a better way without looking into it

[02:15:33]

Sp0tter:

just discussing it

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wagnerrp:

hey now, that kind of comment spawned about 12k lines of python

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, heh

[02:15:50]

iamlindoro:

okay, ONE notable exception ;)

[02:16:08]

Sp0tter:

so unnecsary and agressive though

[02:16:14]

Sp0tter:

were you offended at my discussion of it?

[02:16:19]

wagnerrp:

'export to mythvideo would be so much better as a user job instead of blocking the UI', 'oh yeah? prove it'

[02:16:27]

iamlindoro:

Not as agressive as the posturing is obnoxious, I'll tell you from experience

[02:16:42]

Sp0tter:

define posturing

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iamlindoro:

You may think I'm aggressive, but personally I'm just trying to have to avoid hearing how simple the solution is, when there's never a solution attached

[02:17:06]

iamlindoro:

"You're doing it wrong, I've got a better solution"

[02:17:10]

iamlindoro:

to which I reply, "put up or shut up"

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Sp0tter:

i didn't mean it that way at all

[02:17:15]

Sp0tter:

i was just thinking out loud

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Sp0tter:

sorry if I offended you

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iamlindoro:

You can unoffend me with patches

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Sp0tter:

I'll seriously consider it

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iamlindoro:

good

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, if you want to start with this: http://www.kormoc.com/stuff/Scheduler%20Profile.sql

[02:18:47]

kormoc:

Sp0tter, that's just a simple scheduler approximation. You'll likely want to remove the profiling out of it, but that gives you a baseline to compare aginst

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Azelphur:

should mythfrontend be using 394MB of RAM?

[02:19:05]

kormoc:

likely so, yes

[02:19:07]

iamlindoro:

Perfectly normal amount

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Azelphur:

ok

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Methuselah:

When you use reterive details in videos shouldn't that update the database?

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kormoc:

it only updates unprocessed videos

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kormoc:

when you scan for videos, it updates the metadata then for new ones, so they will be processed already

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, "Retrieve details" = "Get Metadata," you're thinking of "retrieve all details"

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Twiggy2cents:

Methuselah, do you have an actual folder for the fanart and such?

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kormoc:

whoops

[02:22:18]

Twiggy2cents:

I had that issue due to not having a folder to store it in

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kormoc:

sorry, my mistake

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iamlindoro:

but yes, Retrieve Details will update your database, unless you have a broken database

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Methuselah:

I did mean retrieve all details sorry.

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iamlindoro:

Then as kormoc said, retrieve all details will only affect those videos marked as unprocessed, to prevent regrabbing the entire library metadata every single time

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Sp0tter:

kormoc: how long does it take to do 1400 on your computer?

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Methuselah:

Ok then do you have a suggestion on how i can permentaly update my metadata on all my processed videos!

[02:25:23]

kormoc:

Sp0tter, 2.8 seconds for 1387

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Sp0tter:

oh

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iamlindoro:

highlight a video, press w, repeat

[02:25:38]

Sp0tter:

how often does it run that?

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, at least twice per recording and after most schedule changes

[02:26:16]

kormoc:

Sp0tter, it runs just before a recording starts, just after one ends and once when I add a new schedule

[02:26:31]

kormoc:

and once every hour?

[02:26:34]

kormoc:

it runs a lot...

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Sp0tter:

so you have a list of recordings, each with a set of user defined constraints (which can change or grow inetbween runs), and you are creating the entire list of possible scedules and evaulating which one is the best?

[02:28:02]

kormoc:

yes

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Methuselah:

iamlindoro: that is having the exact same effect as "retrive all details" basically it updates it onscreen. I go back to main menu and wait 10 seconds go back in and puff its gone.

[02:28:21]

iamlindoro:

Then you have some broken database issue

[02:28:41]

iamlindoro:

Some queued transaction thing

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kormoc:

keep in mind, that list of schedules can be mapped against X tuners (where x will change as you select tuners to map recordings to)

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Sp0tter:

roger

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Sp0tter:

did you program it originally? or are you able to actually impliment changes in the source related to this?

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kc:

Ugh, gotta love updating mythtv and right after remembering "hrmm, I should check to see if anything is recording"

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kormoc:

I did not write it to start and yes, I am a developer and am perfectly willing and able to patch the scheduler

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kc:

Even with all the commercials, I bet I don't get lucky

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Sp0tter:

cool, I already have some generic source code for a CSP I wrote for the n-queens problem.. where you have a variable size chessboard NxN and have to place them on the board with no conflicts.. I'll simulat ethis kind of setup wtih it and comapre it to brute force

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Twiggy2cents:

I just noticed, does the mythlogbot keep logs? I am sure its known that you have to state if a chan is logged on freenode

[02:32:27]

iamlindoro:

Alternatively, you may have turned off the metadata loading in metadata settings, btw

[02:32:39]

iamlindoro:

Twiggy2cents, and we do state such, when you enter

[02:32:48]

Twiggy2cents:

hmm I didnt see it in the topic

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kormoc:

one of our most loved (and pain in the butt) features is to reschedule higher-priority recordings to maximize coverage

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iamlindoro:

Twiggy2cents, you're messaged on first entrance

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iamlindoro:

and yes, MythLogBot keeps logs

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, so again, it gets extra complex as you're not always selecting the best choice to start

[02:33:18]

iamlindoro:

the URL of which you also receive

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Methuselah:

iamlindoro: i'll check that out thanks

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Sp0tter:

kormoc: what kind of optimality is required.. brute force is ovbiously 100%, are you willing to take say 90% to have it go 10 times faster?

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wagnerrp:

anyone remember who it was about a year ago that wanted to re-implement the scheduler as a finite state machine?

[02:33:59]

kormoc:

Sp0tter, I think we'd requite 100% as with fair hardware, a few seconds isn't an issue

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Twiggy2cents:

hmm I must be blind, I dont see it in the topic or the chanserv message

[02:34:10]

Methuselah:

although I don't know how i turrned it off, i don't even know where thats at!

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, that said, if you come up with a huge boost, we might be convinced to make it an optional choice

[02:34:57]

kormoc:

Twiggy2cents, the bot itself messaged you

[02:35:09]

Sp0tter:

kormoc: ok , it definatly wouldn't be 100%, at best its "near optimal", but yea it could still be a cool choice to have

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Twiggy2cents:

oh does it not do it on a /cycle?

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, we have people complaining that the 100% isn't enough :) So yeah, we'd want to keep that as the default

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iamlindoro:

Twiggy2cents, If it's seen you within some predetermined recent past, it will not message you

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Sp0tter:

hehe how can 100% not be enough

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Twiggy2cents:

ohh okay, sorry for bugging you guys with that. I was just wondering

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kc:

It needs to go to 11

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, "You didn't record this!?!?!" "You didn't schedule it right, here's how to fix." "It should have known better!"

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kormoc:

Sp0tter, so I can just imagine if the middle turned into "It chose wrong, sorry..."

[02:37:15]

Sp0tter:

so they really want more constraints, since you are 100% within the current constraints

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kormoc:

yeah, but the user always blames the software even if it's user error

[02:38:02]

Sp0tter:

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download . . . amp;type=pdf

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kormoc:

what we really need is to get the recommendation engine project going again

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Sp0tter:

a general idea of what i'm thinking of

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Sp0tter:

I haven't really done anything with recommendation systems, my focus is actually path/trajectory optimization for mobile robots

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Methuselah:

in the myth guides you see things like INFO->Metadata Options->Download Metadata, how do i get to the info menu?

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Methuselah:

ew

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russell5:

I

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russell5:

key

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russell5:

i have an info button on my remote

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Methuselah:

ah so the myth guide is outdated

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Methuselah:

because the is no metadata Options submenu

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russell5:

might be edit details

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Methuselah:

Praise the lord, I have coverart that is being remebered. Yeah! I think

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Methuselah:

I think it was that I didn't have "enable metadata in file browse mode" checked

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Sp0tter:

Schedules Direct should have a $100 lifetime membership

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iamlindoro:

Sp0tter, Schedules direct is run by a group of volunteers, none of whom make any money on it, all of whom are open source devs... how would you like them to pay for that?

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iamlindoro:

Schedules Direct exists *only* as a legal entity to group-barter for listings from TMS

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Sp0tter:

iamlindoro: with $100

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Twiggy2cents:

wow this nights fringe was good

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iamlindoro:

Sp0tter, And do you suppose that TMS will have a "meh, just pay us $100 and we're good" policy?

[03:00:07]

Sp0tter:

Twiggy2cents: i haven't watched it yet, please give me a heads up if you are going to say much about it

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iamlindoro:

because they won't. They're in business to make money.

[03:00:28]

Sp0tter:

iamlindoro: how does it pay for it with a variable amount of users....

[03:00:35]

Twiggy2cents:

that is all I am going to say. Its very good, but on that note its not new for two weeks, which is to be expected

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iamlindoro:

Sp0tter, on a per user basis

[03:00:49]

Sp0tter:

do they give rebates at the end of the year for non spent money?

[03:00:57]

Sp0tter:

oh

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Sp0tter:

i see what you ar saying

[03:01:05]

Sp0tter:

they pay per user

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iamlindoro:

yes

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Sp0tter:

i thgoutht ehy hired people to write descriptions and things

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iamlindoro:

TMS does that. Schedules direct does not.

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Sp0tter:

ah ok

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Sp0tter:

who is "TMS"

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iamlindoro:

Tribune Media Services

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iamlindoro:

The people who create the listings, and sell them to cable and satellite companies

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iamlindoro:

Schedules Direct is no more than a collective bargaining organization to allow open source projects to purchase that data as a group

[03:02:52]

iamlindoro:

or rather, users of open source project

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iamlindoro:

s

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iamlindoro:

SD exists for *your* benefit. There's no nefarious goal and nobody is making any money there.

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Sp0tter:

i get that

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Sp0tter:

i just didnt know until you just said before that SD pays per user to their source

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iamlindoro:

In the event of an overage/favorable outcome for SD, the money goes into a foundation for use funding open source projects

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wagnerrp:

or if significant enough, to reducing the price of subscription

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iamlindoro:

yep

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JEDIDIAH__:

SD beats the hell out of Tivo subscriptions

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wagnerrp:

subscriptions were original $15/quarter until they got enough users to negotiate a better price

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Sp0tter:

how can they negotiate a better price if this is the only source they can deal with

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kormoc:

Because they want to work with us

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kormoc:

TMS gave the data away for free for *years*

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kormoc:

but commercial folks used it illegally and thus they had to end the free data service

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wagnerrp:

TMS makes their data available for searching on a site called 'zap2it.com'

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kormoc:

they wish people were honest enough to not have abused the free data service, but such is life

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wagnerrp:

until some time in 2008, non-commercial end users were allowed to sign up for an account and pull guide data through that site

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kormoc:

and so they're very willing to work with us

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kormoc:

and there are other data sources out there, gemstar provides for tvguide iirc

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Sp0tter:

ok

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wagnerrp:

ugh... the coke spilled on my laptop last night has screwed up one of the keys

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wagnerrp:

the scissor switch is gummed up

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Sp0tter:

what exaclty does mythfilldatabase do

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wagnerrp:

fill the database with guide data

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Sp0tter:

i signed up for SD, and its been running for 5 minutes

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wagnerrp:

either from SD, or some xmltv provider

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Sp0tter:

do i need to set a cron job to run that nightly?

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wagnerrp:

the first run is going to take a long time

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Sp0tter:

oky doke

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wagnerrp:

and for SD, they suggest a time to run it next

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wagnerrp:

and the backend will do so automatically

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Sp0tter:

cool

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wagnerrp:

a form of load balancing for their servers

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Sp0tter:

fancy

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wagnerrp:

the old zap2it did the same thing

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wagnerrp:

and for that matter, when you pull guide data from SD, youre actually pulling it from TMS's servers

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Sp0tter:

it was so easy, i thought it would be more complicated to setup

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Sp0tter:

i didn't think a week of scedules could be that complicated to download, as far as size and time

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Sp0tter:

it finished, but i now only have listsings for 4 channels heh

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wagnerrp:

it will only pull guide data that you either have xmltv ids set for, or it can match the channame

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Sp0tter:

does channel nam einclude the _EN or _WT ?

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Sp0tter:

wd*

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Sp0tter:

they all have the 4 letter names

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Sp0tter:

n/m i'll read the wiki :)

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i havent messed with that stuff in maybe two years

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Sp0tter:

in the setup it says it shoudl automaticaly populat the xmltv box when you run mythfilldtabase

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Sp0tter:

but it only did for 3 channels for me

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wagnerrp:

only if it finds a matching entry

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wagnerrp:

everything else, you have to manually set the xmltvid

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Sp0tter:

where do i find those ids for my channels

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wagnerrp:

on your lineup on the SD website

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Sp0tter:

oh

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wagnerrp:

mouse over a channel and it will be in the popup

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Sp0tter:

its just the 4 letters?

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Sp0tter:

roger

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Sp0tter:

can thsi be done through mythweb?

[03:43:50]

Sp0tter:

yes i tcan

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Sp0tter:

sexy

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Sp0tter:

some of my channels have like WBTV_HD and WBTV-SD but they are different [programs

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Sp0tter:

oh i guess the SD can be pulled from the eit ones

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Sp0tter:

got it

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Shadow__X:

is it just me or is menu navigation running sluggish for everyone

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iamlindoro:

not me

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Shadow__X:

i have testest it on 3 different machines and the slowest of all of them was a 2ghz c2d penryn

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Shadow__X:

is there a way to figure out why? its strange because i havn't had this type of lag before

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Shadow__X:

its not a large amount but its just enough to make you focus on it

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castlec:

hey all, i'm having trouble with mythfrontend crashing my entire login session when i try to play video. is anyone available to help me troubleshoot?

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iamlindoro:

How about I just solve it like magic instead?

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iamlindoro:

You are using nVidia closed source drivers on a relatively new version of your distro, and a playback profile using XvMC

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, Page 3, switch your playback Profile to "Slim." Press next until you get to Finish. Press Finish.

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iamlindoro:

Note that you are merely working around a bug in your video drivers, but since your drivers don't support XvMC anyway, you'd eventually need to make this change

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iamlindoro:

Oh, and to make myself seem extra awesome, I'll say that you're using Ubuntu.

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castlec:

nice try. i've got a radeon based system

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iamlindoro:

Regardless, it's still a video driver issue

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castlec:

playback profile is cpu+

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iamlindoro:

You still should follow the above steps

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iamlindoro:

Switch to slim

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castlec:

k

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castlec:

that was it?

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iamlindoro:

Presuming you switched to slim and went all the way to finish, yes, that's it.

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castlec:

brb. thanks :)

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iamlindoro:

If it still occurs, then you have a more complicated video driver issue, but a video driver issue nonetheless.

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castlec:

good to know

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castlec:

that's why it brings down the whole session? it's killing the xserver? makes sense

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castlec:

i didn't see anything in those logs when I looked

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iamlindoro:

yes, your driver is crashing, without which X cannot function

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castlec:

what would have tipped me off?

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iamlindoro:

The fact that a program which does not directly access video hardware manages to trigger a display manager crash

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iamlindoro:

ie, experience

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castlec:

you win :)

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castlec:

so what is it that you think is crashing me that needs to be fixed?

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castlec:

i suppose I can stick with slim but i'd prefer to actually get it fixe

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castlec:

d

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iamlindoro:

A bug in your video driver or in X permitting it to attempt XvMC

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iamlindoro:

It's nothing you can fix without digging in to the source code of either your driver or X

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wagnerrp:

doesnt slim use xvmc?

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iamlindoro:

No

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iamlindoro:

ffmpeg+Xv

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iamlindoro:

But CPU+, which he was on, does.

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wagnerrp:

ah, i thought it would only fall through to ffmpeg

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castlec:

mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv

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castlec:

??

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iamlindoro:

castlec, What does mplayer have to do with us?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not use mplayer for anything

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castlec:

don't know... i found it looking for settings that would help explain my problem

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castlec:

what is the xv setting there?

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iamlindoro:

A setting used for invoking mplayer if you choose to use it for your video library, having nothing to do with our internal player, recordings playback, or even the default playback of videos

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wagnerrp:

to tell mplayer to output using Xv

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iamlindoro:

It's not relevant

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iamlindoro:

Insofar as MythTV is concerned, Switching to Slim *is* the fix.

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iamlindoro:

Any deeper fix will have to be taken up with your distribution, Xorg devs, or your video driver people

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iamlindoro:

because it's not in code we control

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castlec:

I understand

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iamlindoro:

And for 99% of users, Slim is the *better* playback profile

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castlec:

thanks for your help. I appreciate it :)

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iamlindoro:

CPU+ is actually a much worse profile, and you are not giving up any visual quality in using Slim

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castlec:

good to know. If that's the case, why is it not default?

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iamlindoro:

Normal, which is similar to slim, is intended to be. However, because of a bug in Qt widgets upon which those settings screens are built, CPU+ ends up the default

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iamlindoro:

when we rewrite the setting screens, the issue will be addressed

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castlec:

0.25?

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iamlindoro:

Whenever

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castlec:

not that it matters anyway. I know better now :)

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wagnerrp:

basically, no one should be using XvMC

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castlec:

i've never looked, is there a project donation link?

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wagnerrp:

and anyone who thinks they need to use XvMC really just needs to upgrade their computer

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv does not currently take donations

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iamlindoro:

castlec, In the past (and present) we've never taken donations-- it may change someday

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castlec:

then I won't offer

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castlec:

i was looking to give back for your helpfulness. i've been trying to get help from the mythbuntu guys off and on for the last week at least

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iamlindoro:

castlec, Appreciate the gesture nonetheless

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wagnerrp:

find some task that you repeatedly do, and write a script to do it

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wagnerrp:

work on some documentation on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

help other people on the mailing list or IRC channel

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castlec:

i'll make an effort.

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castlec:

time for bed. thanks guys

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iamlindoro:

Spell and grammar check the wiki, and tear out old/stale data :)

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iamlindoro:

night

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castlec_away:

before i actually get up, do you guys have a distro of choice for using myth with a diskless frontend?

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[R]:

castlec_away: ubuntu makes it kinda easy

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wagnerrp:

rolled my own

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castlec_away:

it's not so easy with ubuntu anymore. the gui builder got taken away. the only thing it does is build the chroot

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castlec_away:

with the right ltsp command

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wagnerrp:

technically gentoo, but with a completely custom initrd and boot sequence

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castlec_away:

maybe i'll setting a custom build up on a vm

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castlec_away:

thanks again guys. goodnigh

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[R]:

castlec_away: what gui do you need? lol

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castlec_away:

on 9.04 ubuntu, it was a piece of cake to have diskless

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castlec_away:

you just clicked the diskless button and everything got set up

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castlec_away:

tftp pulled and configured, ltsp pulled and configured, dhcp pulled and configured, etc

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[R]:

you just install `1 package and run 1 command

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[R]:

not taht hard

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castlec_away:

nothing's hard when you know everything that you're doing

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castlec_away:

and just installing mythbuntu-diskless-server isn't enough

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[R]:

and run the 1 command

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wagnerrp:

[R]: you know what really cheers me up? stealing a chemical weapon from a bunch of crazy south americans.

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i miss 24 :(

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wagnerrp:

24? what are you talking about?

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[R]:

the show 24... what you said reminded me about it

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wagnerrp:

im talking about bruce campbell

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[R]:

who?

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wagnerrp:

the greatest actor of our time

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[R]:

whats he been in

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iamlindoro:

Army of Darkness

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iamlindoro:

Bubba Ho-tep

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wagnerrp:

brisco county

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[R]:

never heard of it

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iamlindoro:

anything ever made by Sam raimi

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wagnerrp:

jack of all trades

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iamlindoro:

Spider-man

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iamlindoro:

Spider-man 2

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wagnerrp:

evil dead

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iamlindoro:

Spider-man 3

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iamlindoro:

Xena

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iamlindoro:

Hercules

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

he was in xena and hercules?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

Anything Sam Raimi, he's been in

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wagnerrp:

was he the thief?

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iamlindoro:

king of thieves, yes

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wagnerrp:

ah, now i remember

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iamlindoro:

Sky High

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iamlindoro:

hah

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wagnerrp:

yeah, well... everyone needs to eat

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iamlindoro:

Sky High was actually vaguely enjoyable

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wagnerrp:

never saw it, but it looked pretty bad in the ads

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highzeth:

nice job on 0.24 devs =)

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kormoc:

bruce campbell++

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kormoc:

anyone with a interchanable chainsaw arm and a boomstick gets mad props

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highzeth:

I loved him in that Elvis movie, wth was it's name again

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kormoc:

Bubba Ho-tep

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highzeth:

yeah, thanx

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wagnerrp:

i picked that up on a whim at a... kohls?

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wagnerrp:

saw it on the shelf, recognized his face, knew nothing about it but hey, its bruce campbell

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[R]:

so this guy thats sort of like my boss... is telling me i need to write like test plans and stuff for a website

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[R]:

isn't that ridiculous?

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kormoc:

"To test the website, I will look at it. I will, while looking at it, scroll the mouse wheel up and down. I will then, while looking at said website, press the up and down arrows as well as the page up and page down keys. I will then stop looking at the site and then look back at it rapidly to try to catch it sneaking away. I feel that the successful completion of these steps will be vital to the usability of the site."

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[R]:

ROFL

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[R]:

like i explained the way login is going to work

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[R]:

and he asked if i had a test plan for that

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[R]:

i then pointed to my head

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kormoc:

maybe he's just read too many dailywtfs to take for granted that it works as intended

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[R]:

hes part of QA... and you know how QA loves that kind of nonsense

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kormoc:

Hahaha

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kormoc:

http://jinah.people.si.umich.edu/ My dissertation work "Collaborative Help for Individualized Problems: Learning from the MythTV User Community and Diabetes Patient Support Groups"

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kormoc:

I think we likely didn't get painted in such a good light...

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[R]:

omg

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[R]:

did you "hover over her face"?

[05:06:37]

kormoc:

yeah

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[R]:

what does diabetes have to do with myth?

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wagnerrp:

you get diabetes from all those sugar fueled, caffeine enriched nights, trying to get your system working again

[05:07:52]

[R]:

HAHA

[05:08:01]

kormoc:

http://bid.berkeley.edu/announcements/

[05:08:04]

[R]:

does caffeine really lead to diabetes?

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kormoc:

there's a abstract there

[05:10:18]

** xris ponders what would happen if he remapped "esc" to "backspace" in myth **

[05:10:27]

wagnerrp:

is she the one who emailed the -dev list a couple months back?

[05:10:43]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, I'd guess so

[05:11:15]

wagnerrp:

yeah, beginning of august

[05:11:35]

Beirdo:

crap

[05:11:55]

Beirdo:

the signal issue in ubuntu... just reappeared for me

[05:12:12]

kormoc:

xris, this is the guy I permibanned from -users http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/446252

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xris:

lol, wtf

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xris:

oooh.. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Logitech_diNovo_Mini

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wagnerrp:

oh yeah, mister im sick but i dont know why because im not so obese as these other people which doesnt make sense as obesity is obviously the only indicator of healthiness so someone must be poisoning me and i think its my neighbor so this is a call to help for....

[05:15:26]

[R]:

wagnerrp: theres a guy in #fedora crack me up... he thinks someone is spying on him and he was convinvced someone was starting a vnc serrver on a udp port and stopping it anytime he tried to look for it

[05:15:28]

Methuselah:

very cool i got my videos and fanart etc going with storage groups. Now there is no way of getting you music, pictures working with storage groups

[05:15:54]

wagnerrp:

[R]: i bet hes got a wireless mouse and so does his neighbor

[05:16:02]

kormoc:

Methuselah, not as of now, no

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wagnerrp:

Methuselah: not at current

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[R]:

wagnerrp: haha

[05:16:18]

wagnerrp:

[R]: you laugh, ive experienced it

[05:16:22]

wagnerrp:

its quite unnerving

[05:16:27]

kormoc:

Meth Use Lah? What's Lah?

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wagnerrp:

big problem with the older logitech gear

[05:17:03]

wagnerrp:

'use lah', 'usah'

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Methuselah:

funny

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kormoc:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

its how you pronounce 'user' with meth-mouth

[05:17:20]

kormoc:

makes sense

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Methuselah:

also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methuselah

[05:19:03]

kormoc:

so you're man of the earth eh?

[05:20:03]

xris:

wagnerrp: or a cordless phone. heh

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Methuselah:

I didn't really have any point to my nick,just didn't wanted a change.

[05:21:03]

Methuselah:

jamey0824 back from the days of aol, just wasn't working anymore

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wagnerrp:

xkcd tonight... center left

[05:21:37]

wagnerrp:

its so stupid but why cant i stop laughing...

[05:21:38]

kormoc:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0756683/plotsummary <-- reference

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Methuselah:

Anyways

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xris:

wonder if we support key codes in the bindings editor

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wagnerrp:

sounds interesting, never heard of it

[05:23:12]

highzeth:

anyone tried turning off category colouring in mythweb? Leaves listing crippled & upcoming listing makes httpd segfault. =)

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kormoc:

it was entertaining

[05:23:37]

kormoc:

highzeth, that'd be a negative, whoops

[05:23:54]

highzeth:

rare use case Im sure, just noticed it while testing the new translations last night =)

[05:24:09]

Shadow__X:

does the windows fe use the vdpau equivalent of windows?

[05:24:20]

wagnerrp:

no

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, the phone one?

[05:24:49]

kormoc:

well, cell phone one?

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xris:

kormoc: description sounds less interesting than the reviews suggest it is

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wagnerrp:

center left, little rock

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: your left hand makes an L when you hold it up

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xris:

I didn't get that one

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xris:

narnia one is funny, though. :)

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kormoc:

xris, they explore an interesting premises, tis all, nothing groundbreaking, but is entertaining

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wagnerrp:

they... integrate it

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, yeah, yeah, yeah...

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kormoc:

amusing :)

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wagnerrp:

theyre hoisting up the integral

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kormoc:

xris, calculus

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xris:

kormoc: yeah, that was too long ago. I gave up on calculus when I started majoring in philosophy

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** wagnerrp is still chuckling **

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Beirdo:

mmmm, calculus

[05:32:32]

Beirdo:

integrate THIS.

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

http://www.wagnerrp.com/images/random/proton.jpg

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** xris really wishes mythtv would make up its mind to be "machine" or "machine+fqdn" for hostname **

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wagnerrp:

mythtv doesnt care, it just uses what the system gives it

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wagnerrp:

whatever you get when you type in 'hostname'

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Beirdo:

mythweb cares

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wagnerrp:

im saying mythtv doesnt know the difference

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Beirdo:

you have to be sure that your frontend names are in /etc/hosts or otherwise are resolvable or the remote stuff is broke

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clever:

Beirdo: it cant piggyback off the backendserverip config?

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xris:

Beirdo: yeah.. that's something I want to fix for 0.25..

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Beirdo:

clever: think about it for a second.

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Beirdo:

frontend... backendserverip

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clever:

Beirdo: every hostname that needs to run mythbackend must have that set

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xris:

biggest issue I see is a lack of a global "back" key config

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Beirdo:

how would that help it find the *frontend*

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clever:

Beirdo: the config entry isnt tied to the backend exactly, but hostnames which run backend

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clever:

some of those also run the frontend

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Beirdo:

in other words... it doesn't help

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Beirdo:

at all.

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clever:

i run backend on every frontend, so it would help everywhere

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clever:

i also happen to have my own top level domain setup on the local dns server, so everything resolves anyways

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xris:

clever: but my host resolves to both "mythtv" and "mythtv.mydomain".. db contains entries for both.

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jstenback:

is there documentation on the mythtv python binding someplace, or should I read the source?

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xris:

and it gets confusing

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xris:

jstenback: read source, then ask wagnerrp if you have specific questions

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jstenback:

k, cool

[05:45:27]

iamlindoro:

There is TONS of documentation on the wiki

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp documents everything he writes there

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jstenback:

oh, good to know

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/0.24_Python_Bindings

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iamlindoro:

etc.

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jstenback:

iamlindoro: thanks!

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iamlindoro:

np

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: youll be happy know, it ssems bacon won... http://www.wagnerrp.com/images/random/88df158 . . . 2cf9b52f.jpg

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kormoc:

Never any doubt!

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iamlindoro:

I would personally love to see Bacon and Fries... together

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kormoc:

Mmm.... Fries in bacon fat....

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Beirdo:

needs (I) Cheese

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Beirdo:

I want poutine again.

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Beirdo:

sigh

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kormoc:

Beirdo, http://nightkitchenseattle.com/

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kormoc:

open extremely late too

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Beirdo:

niiice

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Beirdo:

that's a keeper for those times when I'm super-late at work

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Beirdo:

:)

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[R]:

i wonder if they had stunt doubles on M*A*S*H

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[R]:

like when they did crazy thigns with helicopters

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Shadow__X:

i am having trouble with the latest windows fe build from the unofficial site 27252. There was a note in the news section to start the fe with -O AudioOutputDevice=NULL -O MixerDevice=software. I have tried that numerous times but it does not seem to work. i might be doing something wrong but am failing to see what it is

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kormoc:

You'll have to find whoever does the build

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Shadow__X:

oh ok. Since it seems like its a widespread issue going back to the previous version would be better to do for now. Thanks kormoc

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wagnerrp:

i dont get it

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wagnerrp:

someone makes a wiki change today, their first one ever

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wagnerrp:

after creating an account on July 22

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Beirdo:

heh

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jstenback:

anyone know if mythtvosd is expected to work in 0.24?

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wagnerrp:

i believe it should, yes

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wagnerrp:

same limitations as always

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jstenback:

wagnerrp: oh, what are those limitations?

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wagnerrp:

it only works during playback

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jstenback:

trying mythtvosd --bcastaddr=127.0.0.1 --verbose --template=alert --alert_text=foo here but no luck

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jstenback:

wagnerrp: if I had to guess from here http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . y.cpp#L11910 I'd say it's not implemented right now

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Beirdo:

la la la

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aardvark:

hiall

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aardvark:

I have a Segfault that I am hoping one of you guys may be able to assist with

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aardvark:

Nov 19 20:41:06 backend kernel: [ 4548.711838] mythbackend[4250]: segfault at 128 ip 018352dc sp bfa65ac0 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.7.0[17d9000+290000]

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aardvark:

backend just keeps failing

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aardvark:

any takers?

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aardvark:

the weird thing is that it was working this morning, but came home tonight and found that it was dead?

[09:59:53]

aardvark:

i should add that it is a mythbuntu 10.10 install

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Beirdo:

need a backtrace to track that down

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aardvark:

sorry, newbie, any link on how to do a backtrace

[10:06:33]

Beirdo:

there is one on the wiki, I think

[10:06:46]

Beirdo:

I'm too tired to even think straight

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aardvark:

know the feeling, been a long week

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Beirdo:

anyways, it's 2am

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Beirdo:

I'm going to bed

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aardvark:

ok, thanks anyhow, I'll stick around for a while

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aardvark:

any other takers....???

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kenni:

aardvark: Follow http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging to create a backtrace and create a new ticket with it

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austro_tom:

How can I configure how the UPnP service sorts movies (e.g. episodes of a series) . It seems to be random or according to file creation date instead of file name.

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ThisNewGuy:

hi all – I have a show that records via both a regular rule and a custom rule, for some reason the custom rule is continuing to schedule (and record) episodes that have already been recorded via the regular rule (have the same programid). Can anyone help me stop this?

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ThisNewGuy:

hmm – it looks like the duplicate field in the oldrecorded table is 0 – I wonder why that is

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Twiggy|worx:

why do you have two rules for the same show

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ThisNewGuy:

changing that to 1 seemed to solve the problem, I wonder why it was set to 0?

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ThisNewGuy:

I have a rule that records the show "the benson interruption" and another rule that records anything with standup as a genre (and the two intersect)

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Twiggy|worx:

oh

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stuarta:

possibly when you deleted the previous recoringing you hit "delete + rerecord"

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ThisNewGuy:

stuarta – seems likely – do you know of any other way this could happen?

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nidhoegger:

hi, is there a patch to gain unicable support in mythtv?

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nidhoegger:

guess not :/

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stuarta:

oh there you are

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stuarta:

so unicable, is there specific hardware required for it?

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austro_tom:

Yes, If I am not mistaken there is currently no card that (fully) supports unicable

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austro_tom:

Have been looking into this myself a while ago

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stuarta:

so before anything can be supported on myth, we need supported hardware

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stuarta:

and most "is it supported" questions come down to is there a hardware device with working drivers

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stuarta:

what no thank you, just bugger off...?

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CyberKnet:

OK. So I bought the Kinect last night. Now I just have to hack up Myth to accept it as input.

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CyberKnet:

awesome project idea #5927

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CyberKnet:

:)

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JEDIDIAH__:

could make a nice mythbrowser input mechanism.

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sgsax:

you don't need to hack myth, just hack up some kernel drivers

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sgsax:

lucky for you, people are already working on this

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sgsax:

http://www.ladyada.net/learn/diykinect/

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CyberKnet:

err... if it doesn't show up as keyboard, mouse or lirc input I would think you'd need to hack up myth...

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CyberKnet:

unless you made a program convert hand gestures from Kinect into mouse clicks and movements...

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skd5aner:

so, yu want to use an xbox kinect to use physical gestures to control myth?

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tank-man:

"good morning batman"

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CyberKnet:

want is a strong term.

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CyberKnet:

I was thinking/dreaming of the possibility.

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skd5aner:

was going to say... it might look a little goofy to sit on the couch swinging your arm to the right to advance into a menu

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skd5aner:

not to mention dangerous for whomever is sitting next to you ;)

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CyberKnet:

I could see you setting up certain gestures to trigger jump points pretty easily without changing myth. or even to trigger certain key input

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skd5aner:

what if you accidently did the jesture?

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skd5aner:

gesture

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tank-man:

here is the obligatory jpg to go with kinect

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tank-man:

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4 . . . comicnew.jpg

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skd5aner:

you're in the middle of a football game, and your team makes an interception, you through your arms up in joy, which is the gesture for "take me to the main menu" jump point...

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CyberKnet:

lol!

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JEDIDIAH__:

...or you could just sit on the IR remote in all of the excitement. Possibilities for mishaps are endless here.

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RyeBrye:

sitting on a bluetooth remote would be more effective

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RyeBrye:

I think one good use for the kinect would be to use the depth sensing

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CyberKnet:

While I admit the usage of a remote would be far more convenient that Kinect... there would be something very cool to showing people you control your DVR via gesture recognition.

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RyeBrye:

so when my kids got too close to the TV, it would pause the video and say "BACK THE HELL UP"

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RyeBrye:

It'd save me a lot of yelling ;)

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CyberKnet:

RyeBrye: heh heh heh. :)

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skd5aner:

JEDIDIAH__: yea, but you have to actually make contact with a button on an IR remote AND make sure that the receiver will receive the signal... there kinect is ALWAYS watching, and there's only so many way one can move their arms about

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RyeBrye:

"Danger. I sense you are close enough to the TV to rub your slimy fingers on something. Please back up if you want me to play the video."

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stuarta:

i've heard it's already been reverse engineered

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RyeBrye:

"That's one.... That's two. That's three. You are on Time out – go sit on the couch"

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skd5aner:

RyeBrye: that's an interesting idea, heh – the depth sensing stuff

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RyeBrye:

there's a video of one guy using the depth sensing stuff combined with the camera image to recreate in 3d space what the camera can see (obviously with big blank spots for what the camera can't see)

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sgsax:

kinect doesn't have a red glowy eye, does it?

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sgsax:

because I don't want HAL in my living room

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sgsax:

especially if he's plugged into my mythtv

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sgsax:

"I don't think you should be watching that, Dave."

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RyeBrye:

"Stop touching yourself there or I'll call your mother"

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JEDIDIAH__:

Yes. The big brother aspect of kinect is kind of creepy.

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JEDIDIAH__:

Leave it to Microsoft...

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CyberKnet:

I need to make a "Kinect Cover" design and market it to the tinfoil hat folk that buy it for XBox

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iamlindoro:

Or just figure out how to use it in "backscatter" mode, then sell it to the TSA for 10K per unit

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CyberKnet:

hah

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CyberKnet:

or just keept it a secret in your living room and have lots of parties.

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iamlindoro:

or that

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** Captain_Murdoch points his browser at http://www.xboxlive.com/en-US/live/CyberKnet/living-room/ **

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iamlindoro:

You may want to wait for a party, don't want to see anything you can't unsee ;)

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CyberKnet:

lolol

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: Do you mind sharing where you got the watermark images for arclight from?

[17:50:53]

iamlindoro:

They're all edits of royalty free imagery, why?

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: I was just curious

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: I like most of them, but thought about maybe suplimenting some of them on my local copy

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iamlindoro:

It's all various sources collected from royalty free sites around the net

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skd5aner:

would like to match the "theme" as close as possible

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: ok, wasn't sure if it was a collection of sorts, thanks

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iamlindoro:

No, not a collection, all picked individually

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skd5aner:

well, good eye then, because the angular approach of many of them look like they were related in many cases :)

[17:52:49]

iamlindoro:

Yes, selected to mostly have matching or similar perspectives, and when that could not be achieved, it was sometimes artificial

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** wagnerrp wonders how much searching people do before they 'havent had much luck findings detailed information about the myth python api' **

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I wondered that same thing about that same message

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iamlindoro:

http://kotaku.com/5677841/you-wont-believe-wh . . . ty-black-ops

[18:10:18]

iamlindoro:

Betcha Didn't know I kill zombies in my spare time

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wagnerrp:

do all call of duty games have to have a zombie mode?

[18:12:37]

wagnerrp:

was over at my little cousin's house and he was playing one of the CODs, fighting zombie nazis

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iamlindoro:

I think the last couple do

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iamlindoro:

Heh, the definition of insanity is performing the same actions over and over and expecting a different result

[18:52:54]

iamlindoro:

Submitting the SAME EXACT TICKET with a snide comment about "How about that, Robert, Still 'invalid?'" Is not going to produce a different result

[18:52:55]

Beirdo2:

Hehe

[18:53:03]

iamlindoro:

only a quicker one

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, what about sending a photon at a slit and having it randomly pick a side?

[18:53:33]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Well now you've given me a headache, I hope you're happy ;)

[18:53:47]

** kormoc laughs **

[18:54:32]

Beirdo2:

Heh. He does have a point about data disappearing being a bad thing. But poking the bear is rarely a wise choice.

[18:55:13]

iamlindoro:

Somewhat annoyingly, I *do* have code for prompting the user for metadata deletions once the backend does video scanning... something I had working minus the fact that the BE doesn't want to scan itself and complains that it has connected to itself

[18:55:26]

Beirdo2:

Certainly not a good way to make us fix it should it be broken

[18:55:26]

iamlindoro:

But it's still several large project steps out

[18:55:32]

Beirdo2:

Yeah

[18:55:54]

iamlindoro:

"please do this instead" is never a valid ticket, even though I sympathize

[18:56:04]

iamlindoro:

yes, scanning relies on having the files ACTUALLY EXIST

[18:56:31]

iamlindoro:

Admittedly there are nicer ways to handle it, but we haven't had a prompt in 3+ releases and the new scan doesn't lend itself to it

[18:57:02]

tgm4883:

"How about that, Robert, Still 'invalid?'".... nice

[18:57:21]

tgm4883:

some users just make you shake your head

[18:57:38]

iamlindoro:

tgm4883: And that's a literal quote :)

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kormoc:

%s/shake your head/cry in a corner/

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iamlindoro:

I'm sure you can accurately predict my one-word close message

[18:58:18]

tgm4883:

YEP!

[18:58:21]

iamlindoro:

And resolution type ;)

[18:58:24]

tgm4883:

*close ticket*

[18:58:29]

iamlindoro:

Yes.

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iamlindoro:

closed->invalid

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iamlindoro:

dildos

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kormoc:

we need FOADIAF resolution

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tgm4883:

dildos?

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tgm4883:

is that a closed ticket value?

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iamlindoro:

that would be nice

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gpd:

possible faq: is 0.24 frontend compatible with 0.23 backend?

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tgm4883:

gpd, no

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gpd:

ta

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kormoc:

gpd, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . 2Fbackend.3F

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dev001:

hi. i've installed MythTV 0.24 from pkgs on openSUSE. input device is an HDHomeRun. using xbmc+tvheadend, I can see/play LiveTV. swtiching to MythTV, in setup, I can see the HDHR's two channels.

[19:10:08]

dev001:

But, when I attempt to 'scan channels' (from ATSC 2 -> 83), I get "time out", and no info for *all* channels. Found info online that suggests firewall (mine's OFF), or too-low signal strength (mine's strong/solid) — i.e., neither is a fix :-/

[19:10:15]

dev001:

any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: but... the photon picks... both sides

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, does it? there was some random one where the photon picked randomly I thought?

[19:12:05]

wagnerrp:

thats the one

[19:12:24]

wagnerrp:

even a single photon sent through that hypothetical thought experiment will still produce the same diffraction pattern

[19:12:51]

wagnerrp:

even though thats a logical impossibility that a single photon could exist in multiple places

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** kormoc blinks **

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wagnerrp:

oh the wonders of quantum mechanics

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kormoc:

and this is why I just want to press the quantum off switch of our reality. It's too screwed up to exist

[19:15:22]

wagnerrp:

wont work

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wagnerrp:

we'll still be in a simultaneous state of existence and non-existence until some external observer comes to check on us

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

why does it have to be external?

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wagnerrp:

an object cannot affect its own state

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wagnerrp:

an external force has to act on it to collapse its waveform

[19:19:31]

** kormoc blinks **

[19:19:35]

kormoc:

I hate science

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wagnerrp:

but it loves you!

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high-rez:

So. I was a little surprised to see that a 'dts-hd' bluray disc I have worked properly with passthrough to my receiver in myth. Is that expected behavior ?

[19:24:13]

high-rez:

I had always thought that high bit rate non lpcm passthrough wouldn't work.

[19:24:33]

iamlindoro:

Yes, it's expected behavior, since it's not passing through DTS-HD

[19:24:39]

wagnerrp:

did your receiver actually say DTS-HD?

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wagnerrp:

or just DTS?

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iamlindoro:

DTS-HD encapsulates a lossy DTS core, which is what it's passing through

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high-rez:

Just DTS – but I thought they were really the same, just that 'DTS-HD' was lossless – but the same coded at a really high bitrate.

[19:25:28]

high-rez:

s/coded/codec

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wagnerrp:

no, completely different

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high-rez:

Ahh ok. The disc says its 'DTS-HD' – but I guess thats a misprint :)

[19:26:02]

wagnerrp:

no, the disc contains DTS-HD

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wagnerrp:

however, as explained, a DTS-HD track also contains an old DTS track

[19:26:43]

wagnerrp:

such that a player can fall back to the older track if the newer data is not supported

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high-rez:

So myth is just pass through the old track?

[19:27:05]

wagnerrp:

currently, yes

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high-rez:

Ahh, ok. :)

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high-rez:

What if I disable dts passthrough, will it convert the 'hd' track into LPCM -and send that through, or will it send through the old track as lpcm ?

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wagnerrp:

0.24 now has support for decoding those high quality audio tracks, so i assume that means you will get something better bitstreaming LPCM

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iamlindoro:

.24 has no support whasoever for DTS-HD

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high-rez:

Oh really ?

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iamlindoro:

If you disable passthrough, you will get decoded DTS

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iamlindoro:

really

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iamlindoro:

since ffmpeg has no decoder for DTS-HD

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high-rez:

Does trunk have some support for DTS-HD ?

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wagnerrp:

then the added support is for EAC3?

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high-rez:

I thought eac3 support was added to ffmpeg forever ago?

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elmojo:

anyone know why DirecTV is supporting http control? is it for GoogleTV support?

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wagnerrp:

probably something to do with their remote DVR service

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iamlindoro:

high-rez: How could trunk have support? *FFMpeg* has no decoder for DTS-HD

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elmojo:

ah... like iphone control?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: we've had E-AC3 support for three ffmpeg syncs

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elmojo:

would like Dish to support http control

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iamlindoro:

The audio branch added fuller fidelity/channel playback of those formats, it did not add new decoders of any kind

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high-rez:

iamlindoro: Sorry, I thought you were referring to the ffmpeg merge that was in myth, not ffmpeg itself.

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iamlindoro:

and E-AC3 is not DTS-HD

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high-rez:

So, given that there's e-ac3 support (as I understand) for e-ac3 content, that will be sent out as LPCM, correct?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, that would be the only way it could be sent

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iamlindoro:

Since we have no passthrough code for DTS-HD, E-AC3, or TrueHD

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high-rez:

I assume the lack of passthrough for eac3/dts-hd is due to missing functionality in alsa?

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iamlindoro:

It's due to missing functionality across the board

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iamlindoro:

ffmpeg and alsa

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iamlindoro:

very VERY newest development ALSA should be able to manage it, and some recent proposed patches to ffmpeg should allow other HD format passthrough when they go in and Myth is updated to suit

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iamlindoro:

But it will require code changes across the board to support said passthrough. Myth, ffmpeg, and alsa

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high-rez:

Oh really? I ugraded to alsa trunk last night – which fixed my passthrough problem with ac3/dts over hdmi.

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iamlindoro:

That still won't help you get E-AC3/DTS-HD/TrueHD passthrough yet. You need to be patient

[19:39:38]

iamlindoro:

it's not something you can enable right now, there is a lot of code ahead in multiple projects before you can.

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high-rez:

Sure, understood – it's good to know that there's some progress being made on the alsa front. I had imagined that once it was enabled in alsa other platforms would follow along.

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iamlindoro:

ALSA is by far the smallest portion of it

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iamlindoro:

ALSA does basically nothing with those streams

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dev001:

I've signed up for an account at SchedulesDirect. Trying to add a lineup there, for use in MythTV, by zip code — I've two options on the interface: "ZipCode:" (with no available data field), & "Other" which doesn't accept zipcode. How do I add a lineup?

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kormoc:

dev001, what browser/os?

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wagnerrp:

lynx, plan 9

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high-rez:

Wow, neat. Looks like this is the patch that enabled High Bit Rate passthrough in alsa? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/1257771

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dev001:

kormoc: openSUSE 11.3/x86_64, same behavior in firefox 3.6.12, 4.0b &.or , chromium 9.0.582.0

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kormoc:

dev001, you need to enter a zipcode in your account info

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kormoc:

dev001, https://www.schedulesdirect.org/account/edit

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dev001:

kormoc: i did; couldn't register without it, right? and, just rechecked. it's there.

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kormoc:

hrm

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dev001:

also tried whacking the screen — no help

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kormoc:

dev001, xris can likely help you with that shortly

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dev001:

thx

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dev001:

anyone using an HDHomeRun with MythTV on linux that has channel-scanning working? I see my device's channels, but @ chan-scan, i get "timed out, no signal". Works fine on 'other backends' ...

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high-rez:

I'm using an HDHR. Not scanned in a long time – but when I did I had no problems.

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dev001:

high-rez: only non-MythTV thing to do for you, then, is install the dvb_hdhomerun kernel mod, or?

[20:02:58]

high-rez:

There's no kernel mod needed.

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high-rez:

Its all IP

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high-rez:

It's not a DVB device...

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like you're setting it up the "tvheadend way"

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high-rez:

The device type in myth is actually hdhomerun. You don't have to specify its IP – myth will find it automagically.

[20:04:08]

dev001:

high-rez: well, that me be related. it *IS* a dvb-device in my mythTV ...

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iamlindoro:

The guy who wrote that module wrote it for TVHeadend

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high-rez:

o

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iamlindoro:

which means he skipped all the steps to make it a proper, functional DVB device

[20:04:35]

iamlindoro:

If you want to use an HDHR in Myth, use the HDHR card type

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dev001:

iamlindoro: heh, and i'd installed the kernel mod so as to be ABLE to work with tvheadend+xbmc

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dev001:

iamlindoro: ok, checking ...

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high-rez:

I doubt there's anyone that'll be able to help you here using it with said dvb hackery. Really, the builtin hdhr support is rock solid – I'd just use that...

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wagnerrp:

dev001: mythtv uses silicondust's own libraries for access to the device, customized for mythtv by silicondust's own engineers

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iamlindoro:

conversely, the HDHR lib implements only the bare minimum of DVB API commands to make it work with TVHeadend, and not an inch further

[20:08:32]

iamlindoro:

er rather, HDHR kernel mod

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dev001:

wagnerrp: k. i'd built/installed those libs myself for my 'other backend' efforts. well, the non-MythTV-customized ones anyway ...

[20:09:48]

dev001:

iamlindoro: ok, channel scans now 'working', but

[20:10:09]

iamlindoro:

there's always a but

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wagnerrp:

just call it tvheadend

[20:10:15]

wagnerrp:

its not like thats a bad word

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iamlindoro:

and never more than five seconds after starting

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dev001:

in addition to a number of "found 3 channels", I get a bunch of "timed out, 3 probable channels" ...

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iamlindoro:

dev001: That is not an indication of a problem

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dev001:

iamlindoro: ok, gr8! progress ... now to wait for the lineups @ SD.org.

[20:11:14]

** iamlindoro really needs to make the channel scanner only log when it finds a channel so that people will stop being hypochondriacs **

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dev001:

my MythTV install has no functional mouse/pointer in the UI ... keyboard only. Mouse-ing available?

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high-rez:

What is the possible channel? Locked but couldn't read the transport stream?

[20:12:26]

iamlindoro:

Myth is not meant to be run with a mouse, though technically speaking you can click some buttons with it

[20:12:35]

dev001:

iamlindoro: heh ... hypochondriacs? y'all bitch-n-moan when we DON'T read-n-pay-attention to output --- AND, when we do, too! ;-p

[20:13:00]

high-rez:

dev001: Myth works best with a lirc remote. I don't have a keyboard on any of my myth boxen ;)

[20:13:06]

iamlindoro:

dev001: Paying attention to the output and then fretting over no actual perceived problem is just as frustrating

[20:13:08]

wagnerrp:

dev001: there is an option in the frontend settings to enable the mouse pointer

[20:13:24]

dev001:

high-rez: i jave my streamzap right here ... that'll come next, i s'pose

[20:13:52]

dev001:

iamlindoro: and how would we know the difference without asking?

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iamlindoro:

dev001: Ideally, you'd wait to perceive an actual problem

[20:14:21]

dev001:

wagnerrp: ah, frontend. does that enable the mous in the backend/setup app?

[20:14:55]

dev001:

iamlindoro: i give up ... note to self: buy a crystal ball

[20:15:05]

iamlindoro:

or just use common sense

[20:15:10]

iamlindoro:

but obviously that's just as rare

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wagnerrp:

dev001: yes, mythtv-setup uses the same UI configs as set up in the frontend

[20:16:02]

dev001:

common sense? also helps developers writing code with reasonable msgs ...

[20:16:50]

iamlindoro:

Yes, definitely must be myth's fault that before the scan had even concluded you had decided something was broken without so much as a "wait and see."

[20:17:00]

dev001:

whatever

[20:17:05]

iamlindoro:

and because what you fretted about definitely screamed "ERROR FATAL OH CRAP"

[20:17:28]

dev001:

so much for topic, eh?

[20:17:45]

iamlindoro:

Indeed

[20:17:55]

dev001:

ignored ... there that's better for both of us.

[20:18:13]

iamlindoro:

Heh, I could quiet you, that'd be what's better for me

[20:18:35]

iamlindoro:

Solve his problem for him, and he crys that you weren't nice enough

[20:18:38]

iamlindoro:

typical XBMC user

[20:18:58]

wagnerrp:

dev001: what hes getting at is did you actually let the scan finish? or where these errors you saw and were concerned about mid-way through?

[20:19:29]

iamlindoro:

Not that they're errors, or anything that even mildly implies an error

[20:20:15]

wagnerrp:

the numbers given to digital channels have no relation to the physical channel they are broadcast on

[20:20:32]

wagnerrp:

for instance my local channel 5 is actually broadcast on channel 43 or something

[20:20:45]

wagnerrp:

and digital cable channels are almost always in the 80+ range

[20:21:33]

dev001:

wagnerrp: i'm a new user that noted what i was seeing, and asked a question in the user support forum. clearly "timed out" messages before were indicative of a problem; though, resonably, that they might be again. hardly "OH CRAP", and hardly "SCREAMED". doesn't justify rude.

[20:22:53]

dev001:

ping xris re: lineups install @ SD.org

[20:22:53]

wagnerrp:

timed out merely means there is no digital signal on that channel

[20:23:13]

wagnerrp:

any analog or unused channel will respond as such

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wagnerrp:

it 'timed out' while trying to achieve a lock

[20:23:57]

dev001:

wagnerrp: "timed out, no signal" seemed different to me than "timed out, 3 probable channels". without asking, how are we supposed to know? thx for clarifying that it's not a problem.

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wagnerrp:

'timed out, 3 probable channels' means it thinks there is something there, but never got a proper stream header for confirmation

[20:24:50]

wagnerrp:

either way, its just excessive verbosity and youre not going to be able to use the channel

[20:25:14]

dev001:

wagnerrp: great. again, thx for clarifying — it was neither obvious, nor clear.

[20:26:13]

iamlindoro:

(to him)

[20:26:27]

wagnerrp:

but its irrelevant unless you let it scan through all the way and find you cannot access channels that you *know* are either broadcast in sufficient strength to pick up, or are broadcast unencrypted by your cableco

[20:27:51]

wagnerrp:

overly verbose, sure... confusing, perhaps... but its not a bug unless you let it finish and confirm its not behaving as its supposed to

[20:28:03]

dev001:

who said it's a bug?

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wagnerrp:

you said it was working fine with other programs but not mythtv, hence a bug

[20:30:43]

dev001:

wagnerrp: your assumption, sry, not mine. works fine with other backends is simply indication that I know my HDHR is (a) working, and (b) accessible via my box with no other issue, like firewall, etc. if i mean bug, i'll say bug.

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Not worth the effort, nobody wins a troll fight

[20:32:23]

iamlindoro:

He'll poke and poke like a child until he gets a response, then he'll be righteously indignant... let him crawl back into the swamp ;)

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Beirdo:

Oh oh, who bought the Troll Chow?

[21:05:11]

xris:

wasn't a troll.. just a user trying to get some help, but not quite knowing how to express it.

[21:05:31]

Beirdo:

ahh. good :)

[21:05:38]

** Beirdo scrolls further back **

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iamlindoro:

Sorry, being blatantly antagonistic to the person answering your questions is trolling in my book

[21:07:51]

xris:

btw... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126039 ftw...

[21:07:57]

** xris digs this little kb **

[21:08:12]

iamlindoro:

I've always thought those were slick, just too expensive

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Beirdo:

now I'm craving one for myself :)

[21:12:19]

Beirdo:

heh

[21:12:37]

Beirdo:

got enough toys for the exact second though

[21:13:04]

iamlindoro:

Heh, $CostOfToys > $AccountBalance

[21:13:10]

iamlindoro:

so it'll have to be a remote for me ;)

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Beirdo:

hehe. Yeah, that's always fun

[21:13:52]

Beirdo:

that's part of why I passed on the touchscreen on woot the other day

[21:15:59]

wagnerrp:

xris: how are the keys on those?

[21:16:08]

Beirdo:

if it was a week later, it may have been a different result

[21:16:17]

wagnerrp:

my sister has one of the older dinovos, and i always found the keys too spongy

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high-rez:

That KB is neat. Does it just show up as a generic usb hid keyboard ?

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CyberKnet:

Ever think ... "if everyone in the channel sent this person one single message ... all at the same time, they'd be flooded off of IRC, and no single one of us would be to blame."

[21:37:50]

CyberKnet:

et tu, brutus?

[21:39:15]

JEDIDIAH__:

they call that conspiracy

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gpd:

so I just updated to 0.24 – and now I have no sound, black screens and general disaster.

[22:02:50]

wagnerrp:

have you gone back through audio setup and let it detect your audio devices?

[22:03:19]

gpd:

I just installed the mythbuntu deb – set 0.24 and shaboom'd

[22:03:25]

gpd:

then rebooted...

[22:04:55]

gpd:

when I hit escape during playback – screen goes black and the only way to exit is to kill mythfrontend.

[22:05:17]

gpd:

is this symtamatic of a botched install – or is 0.24 not terribly stable?

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iamlindoro:

.24 is very stable, or we wouldn't have released it

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gpd:

google (black screen mythtv 0.24) – gives the same symptoms

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tgm4883:

<gpd> I just installed the mythbuntu deb – set 0.24 and shaboom'd

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tgm4883:

after you set 0.24, did you do an apt-get upgrade?

[22:14:08]

gpd:

yes – shaboom – apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade

[22:14:21]

wagnerrp:

what is this 'shaboom'?

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RyeBrye:

apt-get shaboom?

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tgm4883:

gpd, just FYI, I don't think shaboom is a technical term

[22:14:35]

gpd:

it is an alias – commonly used

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tgm4883:

man apt has no shaboom reference

[22:14:47]

tgm4883:

gpd, no, it is not

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RyeBrye:

if you type mythfrontend -v debug does it say anything in the terminal about what's going wront?

[22:15:13]

RyeBrye:

I'm assuming it says something like:

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RyeBrye:

DEBUG: shaboom

[22:15:31]

RyeBrye:

or maybe it's not -v debug

[22:15:34]

RyeBrye:

maybe it's -v all

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gpd:

ok – with also: pulse – i get 1 second of audio then hiss.

[22:16:10]

RyeBrye:

wait, I thought you just had a black screen

[22:16:22]

gpd:

2 problems – 1. no audio

[22:16:33]

gpd:

2. when you escape from playbakc – black screen

[22:16:34]

wagnerrp:

i didnt think mythbuntu installed pulseaudio

[22:16:51]

gpd:

this is ubuntu 10.04 – with the mythbuntu package installed.

[22:16:51]

tgm4883:

hmm, ShBoom nightclub is having a Pre-Thanksgiving Party! Wednesday, November 24

[22:17:05]

RyeBrye:

!google shaboom

[22:17:06]

gpd:

the wiki page for ubuntu links to mythbuntu

[22:17:33]

gpd:

nevermind the shaboom...

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gpd:

alias shaboom='figlet -f standard Shaboom\!; sagu; sagdu; sagc; figlet -f slant Kaboom shakalaka'

[22:18:01]

tgm4883:

Molly Gordon (shaboom) on twitter

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gpd:

was installing the mythbuntu .deb on ubuntu a bad mistake?

[22:18:07]

tgm4883:

so Molly Gordon broke your install?

[22:18:33]

tgm4883:

gpd, no, likely what happened was you also upgraded other packages (like X) which had issues

[22:18:40]

tgm4883:

IIRC, I saw that previously

[22:19:16]

gpd:

but now my mythconverg is updated to 0.24 – i am probably screwed unless i go back to my sql backup?

[22:19:17]

tgm4883:

do you have a desktop at all? or is that blank screen as well?

[22:19:47]

gpd:

no – all isfine – the only problem with the balck screen is when you press escape during a playing tv program – then you get a black screen instead of returning to the menu

[22:20:02]

tgm4883:

ok

[22:20:06]

tgm4883:

and what do the logs say?

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gpd:

ok- changing sound to ALSA:front.... seems to fix sound

[22:21:26]

gpd:

which also fixes the black screen -

[22:21:33]

gpd:

so I am back in the room...

[22:22:59]

tgm4883:

gpd, so you upgraded to 0.24 and didn't rescan your audio devices?

[22:23:20]

tgm4883:

seems like there should be some sort of warning telling you to do that

[22:23:23]

gpd:

tgm4883: why would expect me to rescan my audio systems?

[22:23:37]

gpd:

it is set by default to ALSA:default -

[22:23:45]

gpd:

you would think that might work – by default...

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tgm4883:

oh IDK, maybe because it says to rescan them in the 0.24 release notes?

[22:23:51]

wagnerrp:

because audio output was rewritten for 0.24

[22:24:02]

gpd:

you expect users to read?

[22:24:04]

gpd:

madness.

[22:24:15]

kormoc:

you're reading this

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, I demand that my /cs k <user> work in this channel

[22:24:32]

tgm4883:

i beg anyway

[22:24:36]

kormoc:

cs k?

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tgm4883:

kormoc, chanserv script kick

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** wagnerrp suggests tgm4883 demand that to someone with ops **

[22:25:01]

tgm4883:

heh

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tgm4883:

I think if I plead to ChanServ, that it will fall on def ears

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tgm4883:

kormoc, basically, I kick people in a way that doesn't trigger auto-rejoin scripts

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gpd:

I take it that rescanning audio is not something that coudl be done by apt. as it is user dependent. shame.

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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kormoc:

I don't see how it wouldn't trigger auto-rejoin

[22:26:57]

kormoc:

tgm4883, have a example channel I could join to see this in action?

[22:27:01]

tgm4883:

kormoc, it doesn't register as a kick, it registers me requesting that they part

[22:27:06]

tgm4883:

kormoc, you can join #mythbuntu

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tgm4883:

kormoc, and now you aren't rejoining

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kormoc:

huh, that's interesting

[22:28:15]

tgm4883:

i know :)

[22:31:17]

tgm4883:

gpd, I could fix the packages so apt trashes your database?

[22:31:29]

tgm4883:

then it would force the user to rescan the audio

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kormoc:

tgm4883, what's the command you send to chanserv to do that? I don't see it in it's help?

[22:31:40]

tgm4883:

kormoc, /cs k <user>

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tgm4883:

it's actually a script I use

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tgm4883:

sec

[22:33:17]

tgm4883:

kormoc, http://www.kaarsemaker.net/downloads/code/chanserv.py

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kormoc:

snaz, thanks

[22:34:22]

tgm4883:

kormoc, yep, pretty nice, auto-ops/deops too

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kormoc:

help remove

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o kormoc

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kormoc:

oh nice

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kormoc:

/remove #channel user

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tgm4883:

lol

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mtrax:

upgrade completed on F12 box.

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mtrax:

only 1 minor issue with audio device scan , crash, Trac ticket created.

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Sp0tter:

is it easy to export a channel list and import it on a differnt backend?

[23:39:07]

Sp0tter:

seeing some mixed google results

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kormoc:

you don't

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Sp0tter:

sir?

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kormoc:

channel lists are part of input sources, just attach the same input source to the inputs on every backend card input you want and they'll share it

[23:40:37]

Sp0tter:

i switched computers

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Sp0tter:

moved the backend to a different computer

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kormoc:

so you want to follow the restore to a different hostname restore instructions on the wiki

[23:41:17]

Sp0tter:

ok

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