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Tuesday, November 16th, 2010, 00:02 UTC

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k-man:

i'm getting this error when i try and build: Error, no aligned memory allocator but SSE enabled, disable it or use --enable-memalign-hack.

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k-man:

i did a make clean already

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k-man:

still get the error

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kormoc:

so disable SSE or use --enable-memalign-hack

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kormoc:

or use a aligned memory allocator

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k-man:

is this a new change? i didn't used to have to specify that option

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iamlindoro:

It has nothing to do with our code, ask ffmpeg

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k-man:

iamlindoro: well, what i mean is, i am building from trunk, i didn't have this problem before, i updated today and now i got the error

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iamlindoro:

k-man, And what I mean is, that's ffmpeg code, not myth code, so in the opinion of the ffmpeg developers, you have a system which requires a hack to work properly

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k-man:

ok

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iamlindoro:

What arch is this? Are you manually specifying arch in any way?

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iamlindoro:

what configure line are you using? Is it insane, or will I call it insane?

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k-man:

no, it is a test system running in virtualbox

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k-man:

32 bit

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kormoc:

9 months ago it was added

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kormoc:

you could be missing g++ too

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kormoc:

that's known to cause that error

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kormoc:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23525 is the change that added it

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iamlindoro:

Trying to run high performance codecs in a VM is enough to call it insane, that'll do

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k-man:

i'm not arguing or upset or anything, just curious as to why it might suddently have changed – i did an build a few days ago and had no problem but a fresh update today and i get the problem

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iamlindoro:

But since you are running in a VM and performance is not an option, there's no hard disabling sse

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iamlindoro:

er harm

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kormoc:

k-man, it wasn't recent. it was added 9 months ago, pre 0.23

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kormoc:

it's likely a change in your system/distro that did it

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russell5:

does anyone use dct-cahnnel? or know how to not have it add zeros before the channel and just send ok after?

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k_ross:

speaking of SSE and ffmpeg, should i have seperate builds for my intel and amd boxes?

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iamlindoro:

if they support different instruction sets, yes

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k-man:

kormoc: yeah must have been my end

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iamlindoro:

but not simply by virtue of being different manufacturers

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, you are surely not suggesting that standards are standard!

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k-man:

i'be been trying to build using distcc, maybe that caused it

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iamlindoro:

I've told you a thousand times, don't call me shirley

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kormoc:

that's a ./configure check, not a gcc check, so no, distcc isn't involved yet

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k-man:

kormoc: oh well, i have no idea

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k_ross:

well i build on intel, and it runs okay on amd, just wondering if it's taking full advantage.

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iamlindoro:

if they support identical instruction sets, it is. If they don't, it's not

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iamlindoro:

the codecs used by myth are highly optimized for specific assembly and instruction sets

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iamlindoro:

Whether the two are identical instruction sets is left as an exercise to the reader, as sphery would say

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k_ross:

so i've gathered

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k-man:

ooh... .24 is released!

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k-man:

i didn;t even notice

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** Beirdo hands iamlindoro the wiffle-bat **

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k-man:

hmm... ffmpeg now comlains : /usr/bin/ld: libavcodec/4xm.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 against `.rodata.str1.1' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC

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** kormoc wonders what k-man has done to his VM **

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k-man:

kormoc: i wonder too

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k-man:

kormoc: noting, it's debian squeeze updated a few days ago

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k-man:

hmm... i think it could have been arch issues with distcc, as i had a 64 bit machine as a possible host for distcc

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wagnerrp:

distcc should be capable of cross-compiling

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k-man:

wagnerrp: yeah, i just did a brief google – seems like its possible but some mucking around is required

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k-man:

it does not work out of the box from what i can see

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kc:

Hrmm, I'm trying to figure out why opengl vsync is not working on my setup anymore after upgrading to 2.4

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kc:

Checked version info "using_opengl_video using_opengl_vsync" are both there

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iamlindoro:

because opengl vsync doesn't exist in .24

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iamlindoro:

see release notes

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wagnerrp:

is that summer glau on chuck?

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iamlindoro:

I hope not, I want Chuck to stay on the air

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wagnerrp:

indeed it is

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wagnerrp:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

oh well, it was a good run

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nutron:

what package does check_lib2 belong to?

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wagnerrp:

that sounds more like an internal function in configure

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iamlindoro:

(which it is)

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nutron:

yeah I'm trying to track down why configure is telling me that libfftw3 support isn't enabled.

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nutron:

yeah, when I googled, ffmpeg related stuff were the first 10 results

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wagnerrp:

our configure is based off ffmpeg's

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nutron:

\o/ makes sense.

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knightr:

iamlindoro, According to Wikipedia it was announced on October 19, 2010 that NBC had ordered an additional 11 episodes of Chuck, bringing the episode total for Season 4 to 24.

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iamlindoro:

That was pre-Glau

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iamlindoro:

the showkiller

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k_ross:

nutron: i'm guessing you need to install libfftw3-dev

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nutron:

k_ross: it's installed

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Beirdo:

According to Wikipedia: please send us money.

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nutron:

Jimmy Wales has nice skin

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iamlindoro:

He bought it himself

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wagnerrp:

apparently she has a tail

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: Big Bang Theory survived her cameo :)

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knightr:

iamlindoro, OK, didn't know that... I'm still on season two... I just learned about Chuck a few weeks ago...

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wagnerrp:

and... more subway advertising

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nutron:

what's a glau?

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, Most shows can survive a cameo-- they just become ill

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Beirdo:

and she wasn't able to take out CSI... one ep. :)

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iamlindoro:

But a show with her as a guest has a life expectancy of $EndOfSeason

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iamlindoro:

and one based around her has a life expectency of $LengthOfSeason/2

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wagnerrp:

nutron: a being that beats everyone up

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Beirdo:

with a guest seems to not be tooo bad... a regular, yeah, she seems to snuff em out good

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nutron:

oh! I'd sorta tap that.

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** nutron credits wikipedia and sir jimmy wales **

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iamlindoro:

I'm sure she'd be thrilled to hear that, nutron

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Beirdo:

hehe

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nutron:

What? A Texan? :/

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Beirdo:

like you'd kick her outta bed just for that

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nutron:

anyway ffmpeg uses libfftw? or does myth depend on it. I guess I could grep, but this is easier. /o\

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nutron:

Yeah, but, Canadian chicks are so much more worth it.

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** nutron awaits a grammar nazi **

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wagnerrp:

nutron: myth, its used for one of the mythmusic visualizers and for time stretching

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iamlindoro:

And is in no way required in core myth

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nutron:

wagnerrp: hmm, well the .h files and everything the config looks for seem to be there. Unless I'm missing something.

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nutron:

Which of course, is what configure is telling me :)

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iamlindoro:

Are you on a silly distro like fedora?

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** nutron giggles at iamlindoro's wit and hilarity **

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Beirdo:

you starting holy wars again? :)

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nutron:

no something better ... debian

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iamlindoro:

You misspelled "even more insane"

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Beirdo:

even more stale

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** nutron gets his rubber suit **

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iamlindoro:

Oh well, at least we know why you're trying to build yourself, with a packager like Marillat, might as well

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nutron:

I'm on sid, pretty up-to-date

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Beirdo:

poor sid

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nutron:

marillat doesn't package libfftw3

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nutron:

hah!

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iamlindoro:

marillat packages Myth

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iamlindoro:

And thus builds it

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iamlindoro:

So maybe he would be a better person to ask about the quirks of libfftw3 on your platform

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nutron:

:o I'm using svn, svn up, svn diff, ./configure .. make etc.

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iamlindoro:

so?

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nutron:

a'ight

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Beirdo:

apt-get libfftw3-dev

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nutron:

so what distro do you use? what makes your stuff successful? lfs? slack?

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iamlindoro:

All I can tell you is that enabling fftw3 in core myth works here, and has since time immemorial-- so it's almost certainly a library/header/package issue

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Beirdo:

apt-get install libfftw3-dev

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Beirdo:

rather

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Beirdo:

if that doesn't do it, meh :)

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nutron:

Beirdo: aye it's done

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Beirdo:

should be there then

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iamlindoro:

As previously mentioned, it's purely optional in core myth

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nutron:

I think it's misplaced according to configure

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iamlindoro:

And randomly enabling options without having any idea what they do is a recipe for disaster

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iamlindoro:

Just my thoughts on the matter, anyway

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nutron:

well I didn't enable it specifically, configure reported it's unavailable, hence why I'm digging into it

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iamlindoro:

Why do you care that configure reported it as unavailable?

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nutron:

Though, I should give up, I've been building trunk for months with no problems

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iamlindoro:

Lots of things will be unavailable depending on platform/etc.

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nutron:

because I'm trying to learn

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nutron:

what it's for/what it does

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Beirdo:

apt-get build-dep mythtv — can be useful

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[R]:

oh man... the mythlcdserver is XTREME

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Beirdo:

assuming the packages are half-sane

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iamlindoro:

heh, it's debian-- they're not

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Beirdo:

heh

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nutron:

Beirdo: did that a while ago

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iamlindoro:

they're actualy the MOST insane myth packages I've ever seen

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iamlindoro:

He used to (and to my knowledge still does) enable all sorts of stuff from ffmpeg's configure

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Beirdo:

yeah, I seem to remember seeing his packages, and scratching my head

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iamlindoro:

even though it doesn't appear in --help

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nutron:

oh really?

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iamlindoro:

and thus a) h.264 playback would randomly fail on debian since he would stupidly compile myth with --enable-libx264

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iamlindoro:

b) xvid would behave brokenly because he would compile against --enable-libxvid

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iamlindoro:

and lots and lots of random crashes related to a and b

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iamlindoro:

This is what happens when a packaged decides they know better than ./configure --help

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iamlindoro:

packager

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nutron:

iamlindoro: is that recent?

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iamlindoro:

was as of a few months ago

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iamlindoro:

And thus this package dependencies would be painfully overblown

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iamlindoro:

if not outright wrong

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Beirdo:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Thankfully, the mythbuntu guys have exorcised all the debian dumbness

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iamlindoro:

They do it right, last I saw

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Beirdo:

anyways, I think I'll head home. Got more myth_system hackage to do

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: does mythbuntu still have custom patches, or is that a thing of the past?

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iamlindoro:

I think they ahve at least a couple

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iamlindoro:

but at least the configure options are correct

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Beirdo:

be good to reconcile those some more.

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Beirdo:

anywho... heading my butt home

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iamlindoro:

At least one of them needs to be deleted entirely-- they break an option in our settings for "convenience"

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nutron:

ok, I found a link with the build report for mythbuntu, seems it can't find libfftw3-dev libs as well

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iamlindoro:

libfftw3 support yes

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iamlindoro:

Works fine here

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nutron:

so it seems *buntu is wrong as well

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iamlindoro:

I'm on Ubuntu, works good here

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nutron:

Hrrm

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iamlindoro:

ii fftw-dev 2.1.3–22 library for computing Fast Fourier Transforms

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iamlindoro:

ii fftw2 2.1.3–22 library for computing Fast Fourier Transforms

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iamlindoro:

ii libfftw3–3 3.2.2–1 library for computing Fast Fourier Transforms

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iamlindoro:

ii libfftw3-dev 3.2.2–1 library for computing Fast Fourier Transforms

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iamlindoro:

Are the installed fftw libs

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nutron:

http://tinyurl.com/2wtz6z4 <-- that's a pretty recent build for natty

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nutron:

meh, debian bustedness then

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iamlindoro:

Can we please ban craig sanders from the list now?

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wagnerrp:

what about garyg? http://www.mythtvtalk.com/mythconverg-14010/

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iamlindoro:

sure, assuming he subscribes to anything we control ;)

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wagnerrp:

isnt laga an admin there?

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iamlindoro:

dunno

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, you should have bowed down to his 40 years of working with computers and referenced your actual time developing on the software. He obviously knows everything about databases. He probably also runs windows and organizes his computer with C:\exe\ C:\dll\ C:\txt\

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wagnerrp:

'oh, youre only a project developer, but surely my old age means i know more about the project than you'

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Sp0tter:

anyone running mythfrontend on a pandaboard?

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wagnerrp:

pandaboard?

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[R]:

mmm, tasty

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[R]:

sounds like a ridiculously low resource piece of crap

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wagnerrp:

sounds like another one of those underpowered ARM systems

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[R]:

atleast he wants to use the frontend...

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wagnerrp:

yes, mythfrontend runs on an ARM

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wagnerrp:

no, mythfrontend cannot run on low memory systems, you want at least 512MB of RAM to run reliably

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Sp0tter:

it has 1 gig of ddr2

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Sp0tter:

http://dkc1.digikey.com/us/en/ph/ti/pandaboard.html

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Sp0tter:

ddr*

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Sp0tter:

dual core 1ghz ARM

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[R]:

but its still an ARM...

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wagnerrp:

no, mythfrontend cannot use the video decoder of your (insert system here) and your (insert system here) does not have enough CPU power to decode any worthwhile content in software

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Sp0tter:

ok

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Sp0tter:

its not "my", i'm just asking about it

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wagnerrp:

adlibs!

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Sp0tter:

it looks neat, and its $175, tiny power footprint and power usage

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defaultro:

Hi everyone. Glad to be back here. Just saw 0.24 today on mythtv.org. I also saw that it now supports bluray. Does it mean that it can play bd discs?

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Sp0tter:

wagnerrp: people say they have played 1080p movies in ubuntu with its default movie player on that setup, does myth have a different way of accessing or not accessing the video decoder?

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wagnerrp:

Sp0tter: i believe there was some XBMC GSoC project to write drivers to use the DSP on that thing for decoding

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wagnerrp:

and they do support some form of opengl support that let them run XBMC fairly decently

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Sp0tter:

they said XBMC still can't do 1080p, but its in progress, but they said the regular movie player does.. which confused me greatly

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wagnerrp:

however, without that DSP support, the thing is a piece of garbage as far as video playback goes

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Sp0tter:

for the most part they don't care about media it seems

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Sp0tter:

only liek 1% of their projects involve it

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Sp0tter:

wagnerrp: what is the oldest Mac mini that will serve as a perfectly funcitoning hd frontend

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wagnerrp:

Sp0tter: anything with nvidia graphics

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[R]:

well the older ones had a like 6200 i think

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defaultro:

also, can I use my regular analog outputs when mythtv decodes DTS-HD Master Audio or Dolby TrueHD?

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[R]:

so that wouldn't work ofr HD

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[R]:

defaultro: if you want to listen to stereo

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wagnerrp:

no, the older ones had intel graphics, or AMD before that

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[R]:

maybe i'm thinking of appletv...

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defaultro:

no, similar to my Pioneer BDP-320, I have 7.1 analog outputs

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[R]:

i know there was one of their things that had a <8200

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wagnerrp:

the nvidia versions are either a 9400m (older) or GT330

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wagnerrp:

the appletv had a 7300

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[R]:

defaultro: what do you mena "regular analog outputs"?

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defaultro:

so mythtv decodes the DTS-HD MA/Dolby TrueHD, then output to either 5.1 analog output

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defaultro:

my BDP-320P decodes those codecs and outputs to analog

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[R]:

analog what

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defaultro:

then analog is sent directly to my receiver

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defaultro:

analog rca ports

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[R]:

how many?

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defaultro:

i just said above :)

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defaultro:

5.1

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[R]:

5.1 rca ports?

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defaultro:

it can do 7.1 too

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defaultro:

yes

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[R]:

how can you have .1 of an rca port?

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defaultro:

that's lfe

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defaultro:

:(

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[R]:

must be a very small jack...

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defaultro:

no, it's just the count

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defaultro:

are you familiar with audio

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[R]:

let me repeat

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[R]:

how many rca ports

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wagnerrp:

5.1 of 'em

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defaultro:

all in all, 6 if using 5.1

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Sp0tter:

my last mac mini was $525 new from the apple store (education), now they start at $650, interesting

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Shadow__X:

the pre nvidia mac minis used a intel gma 950

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defaultro:

or 8 if using 7.1

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wagnerrp:

:)

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[R]:

there... was that so hard...

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[R]:

and your computer has 6 rca ports for an output?

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nutron:

hmm ok i just came back to the fftw thing, seems the header file the package provides doesn't have the function that myth is looking for... fun! Must be a patch debian applied.

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defaultro:

the BDP-320p has those number of analog ports

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defaultro:

our computer has 5

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defaultro:

or 6 analog

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defaultro:

depending on the audio card

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defaultro:

other than the spdif

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[R]:

i've never seen a computer with 5 rca ports...

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defaultro:

toslink can only car upto max 2mbps

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defaultro:

in computer, it's not really rca. we were talking about the bdp-320

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nutron:

I have... two pvr 150's and a pvr 500 with an expansion connector

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[R]:

wagnerrp: yeah... it was the appletv... the original had a 7300

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iamlindoro:

1.5, but who's counting

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nutron:

that's 12 rca ports!

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defaultro:

it's the mini port

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[R]:

well i gotta go off to The Shack

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defaultro:

lol, ok

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defaultro:

glad to see you iamlindoro

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defaultro:

iamlindoro, can I output decoded audio via analog?

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defaultro:

I mean, decoded DTS-HD MA/DD TrueHD

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iamlindoro:

You can output anything ALSA will accept

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iamlindoro:

tersely, "yes."

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defaultro:

cool

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defaultro:

that means, all i need to buy is the bd drive

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iamlindoro:

As with capture, we support APIs, not some homegrown thing

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defaultro:

capture?

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iamlindoro:

The first thing you should do is read the Blu-ray wiki page

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defaultro:

i will just be playing the disc

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iamlindoro:

Including all the links

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defaultro:

ok

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iamlindoro:

So that you have reasonable expections

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defaultro:

this is it right, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Blu-ray

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iamlindoro:

yes

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nutron:

capable of playing back the media you intend to rip (ie the Xbox 360 HD-DVD Drive or the LG GGC-H20L HD-DVD/Blu-ray Combo Drive)

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defaultro:

i might be missing something but that talks about ripping it which I don't want to do

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nutron:

grr whoops

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defaultro:

nutron, don't want to rip

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iamlindoro:

You are missing the difference between "reading" and "skimming"

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defaultro:

doign it again :)

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iamlindoro:

You are doing the latter

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nutron:

that was an accidental middle mouse click :/

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defaultro:

Saw the first sentence "It is possible to play back Hi-Def media such as Blu-ray and HD-DVD Disks in MythTV"

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defaultro:

but the next few sentences confused me

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iamlindoro:

Look at the title of the page you are reading

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iamlindoro:

thus, the information pertains to all media matching that title

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defaultro:

High Definition Disk Formats

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defaultro:

Blu-ray playback of some material directly from the disc and as a folder structure on a hard drive is possible.

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defaultro:

cool :)

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iamlindoro:

Correct. Blu-ray is not the only High Definition disc format

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iamlindoro:

Thus the page must address the other formats

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defaultro:

will I be able to play all my bluray disc I bought?

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defaultro:

aacs/bd+ enc right

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iamlindoro:

Have you finished reading that page?

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defaultro:

sorry

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defaultro:

ah, got it :)

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defaultro:

I remember when I was using .21, in mythvideo, I do a sql insert for each .avi, .mpg file and point a command field to the player %s. Can we still do this?

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defaultro:

I mean, it's going to call mythavtest bd://media/cdrom/

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defaultro:

nutron, is this the same with the one you posted? http://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics-GGC-H20L . . . 2&sr=8-1

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defaultro:

crap, it's deactivated, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136133

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defaultro:

it's weird, there is no Add to Cart button

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Shadow__X:

46 bucks seems good but its used

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Shadow__X:

i dont think they make it anymore

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mag0o:

hey, long time no see...I've upgraded to .24-fixes (27209) and have an audio issue. I have gone back through the General setup in the frontend to reconfigure my audio, and so far everything plays fine except for 'The Event'. I get no audio on this show but, I also record 'Chase' right after it and have audio without issues. Source is DishNetwork via HDPVR, frontend output is at http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1992891. Any ideas?

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defaultro:

oh, so those are old drives?

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iamlindoro:

mag0o, it appears your HD-PVR produced bad output

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iamlindoro:

mag0o, the errors which begin with open brackets ([aac) are ffmpeg/decoding errors

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mag0o:

and the next show was fine, without changing anything?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, looks like something got broken on the recording init

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mag0o:

(same channel)

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mag0o:

ah

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iamlindoro:

It's not a myth thing, it's more like an HD-PVR thing

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mag0o:

Last week the same show was also one that was hit with the HDPVR audio/video sync, with sound getting progressively off as the show goes on

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iamlindoro:

defaultro, Don't be lulled into thinking that a newer Blu-ray drive is somehow better

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defaultro:

got it

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iamlindoro:

defaultro, "old" is relative, Blu-ray is new technology

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defaultro:

looks like that $40 is worth a try

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iamlindoro:

If you read the page carefully then you will know why that drive is recommended

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defaultro:

i have a powerful machine right now and I think it's going to be able to play bd movies. It's p7

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defaultro:

yup, that's the drive model I saw on the wiki

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iamlindoro:

one can only presume you mean i7

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defaultro:

ooops, i7 :D it's been a while

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mag0o:

iamlindoro: nice OSD btw for Arclight :)

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iamlindoro:

mag0o, glad you like it ;)

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defaultro:

mag0o, show me the new skin, I haven't seen myth for more than 1.5 years now

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defaultro:

do you have a screenshot?

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iamlindoro:

we don't produce skins, we produce themes

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defaultro:

themes

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mag0o:

hmm, now I see that it was something to do with the hdpvr, further into the recording, video is fine, but at the start, it is choppy

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defaultro:

:D

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mag0o:

and still no audio

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defaultro:

let me look in google

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defaultro:

I love the graphite :)

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[R]:

mag0o: are you waiting long enoug hfor your STB to settle down before recording?

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defaultro:

does it enlarge the image when you change movie selection? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/File:Graphite.png

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defaultro:

and smoothly?

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[R]:

enlarge?

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defaultro:

i don't know how to describe it

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defaultro:

like the mac os menu at the bottom

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[R]:

the thumnails zoom a little

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[R]:

you can clearly see that in the screenshot

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defaultro:

cool

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defaultro:

but does it do it like an animation?

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[R]:

no clue

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defaultro:

gradual zooming

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mag0o:

[R]: not sure, I've never done anything much outside of schedule recordings and set priorities

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[R]:

mag0o: your channel change switch should sleep for a second or so after changing channels to make sure it settles down before the hdpvr starts recording

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defaultro:

say from 50x200 pixel then quickly to 150x300 pixel

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mag0o:

ah, simple enough fix

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mag0o:

i'll try that and see how the recording goes next week

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defaultro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVKQDLIruCk

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sphery:

wagnerrp: is Eloy having the same HDHR problem you were having that you thought was only a BSD issue? http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010 . . . /302267.html + http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010 . . . /302270.html

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wagnerrp:

sphery: sounds about right

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sphery:

wanna ask him if it's bsd? if the libhdhr stuff is broken, again, we may need to re-revert that update

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wagnerrp:

sent a response for more info

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sphery:

or at least get SiDust to fix it

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sphery:

cool, thanks

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sphery:

again, I'm too slow :)

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wagnerrp:

its something sidust needs to fix

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sphery:

you replied before I even finished asking if you wanted to reply

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sphery:

yeah, that would be ideal

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[R]:

wagnerrp: you there?

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wagnerrp:

yep

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[R]:

so i'm really digging this 20x4 lcd thing... totally gonna get one... but mythlcdserver seems limited... can i get the currently recording show and the jobqueue from the python bindings?

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wagnerrp:

with effort, sure

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wagnerrp:

well, not much effort

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[R]:

i figure its probably easier to write a clean implementation than to hack the crap outta mythlcdserver

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[R]:

this can be my "lets learn python for realz" project

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wagnerrp:

currently recording, write your own _getSortedPrograms call to the backend

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wagnerrp:

having it filter for the necessary recstatus

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wagnerrp:

for the jobqueue, use the searchJobs from MythDB and search for the proper status

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nutron:

anyone know of any "freely" downloadable sample mpg files?

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nutron:

n/m

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CRU_:

> Hey, wondered if someone could help me. I just set up my first mythtv box but I am having trouble playing any online video (flash, etc)...they are all really choppy. I know it's not my internet connection speed (download it first, also works fine on all my other windows computers). tv tuner vid works great, but everything else is choppy. What should I do?

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wagnerrp:

what speed is your processor?

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wagnerrp:

CRU_: ^^^

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CRU_:

wagnerrp: it is a 2.2 ghz dual core AMD

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jkp:

someone help me out here

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jkp:

i have an install of mythtv-backend on ubuntu that is misocnfigured

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jkp:

im trying to wipe it off and starg1dl3yw@y

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jkp:

im trying to wipe it off and start again

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wagnerrp:

CRU_: what resolution?

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jkp:

im removing everything using apt-get purge but when i reinsall all the old settings for capture cards etc are still there!

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jkp:

where does a backend store / cache these settings? i need to completely wipe them off and start from scratch

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wagnerrp:

jkp: so 'delete all capturecards' in mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

all settings are stored in the database

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wagnerrp:

you need to drop the database to flush everything

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wagnerrp:

CRU_: flash does all scaling and conversion in software

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wagnerrp:

meaning its much more intensive than it should be for playback

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wagnerrp:

and requirements are directly proportional to the output resolution

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CRU_:

wagnerrp: Ok....is there a way to give it more juice from my hard drive....b/c it is jumpy when it's on my 32 inch lcd (which sounds like that could be the problem)

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wagnerrp:

sure, because most of the computational power in your computer comes from your hard drive

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wagnerrp:

no, youve got two options to make it work

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wagnerrp:

get a faster processor

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wagnerrp:

or reduce your screen resolution so the software scaling doesnt take so much of a hit

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CRU_:

wagnerrp: where would I edit screen resolution? and how fast of a processor would i need just to play flash on say...42 inch (may upgrade soonish)

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CRU_:

wagnerrp: just on the desktop settings kind of deal...or is there a setting in adobe specifically is what I'm meaning

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wagnerrp:

size is irrelevent, resolution matters

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wagnerrp:

the desktop resolution

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CRU_:

wagnerrp: would changing that affect my hd tv watching at all?

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wagnerrp:

running your display at anything other than native resolution is always bad

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wagnerrp:

im not saying its a good solution

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wagnerrp:

im just saying its the only one available

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wagnerrp:

since flash video playback is garbage

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wagnerrp:

and for whatever reason, adobe refuses to program for any of the standard video interfaces

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wagnerrp:

instead using the most poorly performing solution

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CRU_:

wagnerrp: Well that is very helpful. How fast of a processor should I have (and is it just b/c of a diff operation system that my windows computer plugged in with it works fine?)

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wagnerrp:

its all a function of scaling

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CRU_:

wagnerrp: that makes more sense...b/c it seems like sometimes the video is struggling to display everything.

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wagnerrp:

if youre scaling anything to 1920x1080, youre going to head a pretty beefy processor

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CRU_:

wagnerrp: hmm...let me try this just to see if that will solve my vid issue

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wagnerrp:

HDHR for $90 shipped on newegg

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CRU_:

wagnerrp: Hmmm...i set my resolution to the lowest possible (320x240 I think) but still video is jumpy (maybe a little less...but not that much). Native resolution is 1280x720

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banksy:

Anyone here using mythnetvision? Trying to work out if I should expect the remote control's volume, play/pause to work (e.g. during youtube video)

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jkp:

question: is there a way to build and install the mythtv python bindings seperately from the main mythtv code?

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Azelphur:

lol why does mythfrontend have a middle english (1100–1500) option

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Azelphur:

just in case we happen across a time travelling scientist from the 12 century?

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JEDIDIAH__:

someone might find a knight frozen in ice when they're digging up for a pool in Yorkshire...

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Azelphur:

or that

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sgsax:

I have a question about the status page from mythweb

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sgsax:

or the xml version, anyway

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sgsax:

are the status codes for the encoders and job queue documented anywhere?

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sgsax:

I've written my own script to replace mythtv-status and this is the last detail to figure out

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sgsax:

I can't find anything online

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wagnerrp:

Azelphur: we dont actually have a middle english translation, which means it will simply fall back to the default strings

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wagnerrp:

its just a function of us getting our translation support from Qt

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wagnerrp:

Qt supports all those 'languages', and no one has bothered to put in code to filter for only those translations we actually have

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: per #7531, 'get_backend_setting' pulls the value from host '%' rather than host NULL

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wagnerrp:

which means the query will match for anything /except/ hostname=NULL

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wagnerrp:

and the query for MasterServerIP will subsequently fail

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wagnerrp:

easy fix is just to use 'setting' directly... but should get_backend_setting be set up that way?

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wagnerrp:

bah... hes not even here

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Azelphur:

I'm having problems with metadata grabbing on remote frontends. Any ideas? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/292113/

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iamlindoro:

You are running the command without quoting the title

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iamlindoro:

What you see in the logs is just a general representation of the command run, when *you* run it you still need to encapsulate a title in quotes if it's more than one word

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Azelphur:

iamlindoro: ok that explains why it didn't work when I ran it manually

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iamlindoro:

But I'll bet a million jillion dollars that as usual, broken python bindings install

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Azelphur:

but doesn't explain why the remote frontends can't pick up but the main frontend can

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iamlindoro:

You won't know why the internal run didn't work until you run it by hand properly

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iamlindoro:

and pastebin that

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Azelphur:

iamlindoro: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/292115/

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Azelphur:

looks like that works

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: check beirdo's logs from about half an hour ago

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iamlindoro:

Azelphur: That's being run on the *remote* frontend?

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Azelphur:

no on the backend, the frontend does the grabbing?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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Azelphur:

ah, no such file or directory on the remote frontend

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iamlindoro:

Then there you go, scripts and/or bindings not installed

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Azelphur:

hehe indeed

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, hrm... good point...

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Methuselah:

I set a video storage group on a dedicated backend, what needs to be done so i can use it on a frontend, it currently shows nothing?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: although when i wrote that patch, it worked

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wagnerrp:

but for the life of me, i cant figure out why it did

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iamlindoro:

Methuselah: Hopefully you also set up Fanart/Banner/screenshot/coverart Storage Groups, and then as with any configuration of mythvideo, you need to scan for videos

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iamlindoro:

Methuselah: Please make sure to read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvideo

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sgsax:

anybody here work on mythweb?

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Methuselah:

I assume you mean scan on the frontend? Cuz, I don't think you can scan on dedicated backend. I did that and still no luck. I will double check all the directories are set up. And I did read that mythvide previous to coming here.

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wagnerrp:

sgsax: mythweb does not generate the backend status page

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iamlindoro:

Methuselah: If you had read carefully, you would know what kind of scan I mean

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iamlindoro:

And since the backend has no video scan, I'm not sure how you could have done so

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sgsax:

fair enough, so where are those status codes documented?

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iamlindoro:

If you are scanning on the frontend and getting nothing, then you have a Storage Group permissions or configuration issue

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wagnerrp:

should be some ENUM definition in the libraries

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wagnerrp:

but i couldnt find it

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sgsax:

I figured since mythweb could decode them, there should be something in there

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wagnerrp:

mythweb doesnt use the xml page

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wagnerrp:

it just restyles the html version

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wagnerrp:

query the same address but without the '/xml'

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sgsax:

gotcha

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skd5aner:

I've noticed a bit of a regression with some of the ffwd/rewd behavior...

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: if only those poor oppressed users could get motivated to see if they could do better

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iamlindoro:

heh

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skd5aner:

before 0.24, if you would ffwd, for example, if you hit select it was smart enough to jump back a few frames to account for reaction time, but now when you push select to get out of ffwd, it seems to start playback directly at that frame

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: yes, known regression

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skd5aner:

I know there was quite a bit of tuning that went around ffwd/rwd before release

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wagnerrp:

its because when ffwd more than 3x, you go into a different mode

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wagnerrp:

and in that mode, it doesnt instantly process key presses

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: ok, cool – wasn't sure if it was a "known" regression... wanted to bring it up just in case

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wagnerrp:

so it may not receive that keypress until a second after you press it

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skd5aner:

I always thought that was a really cool feature that set mythtv apart

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wagnerrp:

its an issue with the OSD rewrite

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wagnerrp:

apparently verizon's DVRs have it

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skd5aner:

the ability to account for reaction time, and it appeared to always be relative to speed as well :)

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wagnerrp:

a couple weeks ago, i heard someone complaining about how it disrupted fast forwarding through football games

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wagnerrp:

its always XXX milliseconds of fastforward

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wagnerrp:

so if youre going 10x, it multiples that reverse by 10

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skd5aner:

Well, I definitely noticed it pretty quickly – once you get used to it, it's easy to notice now because if you go too far, you have to go back

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i thought something was wrong with my remote at first

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skd5aner:

sphery: ping...

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skd5aner:

there's one other oddity that I'm experiencing, but it's just a minor annoyance...

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skd5aner:

but definitly different than before – and that's when something starts recording on my SBE/FE, it causes playback to stutter for about a second

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: although it should have been fixed long ago... #8843

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: well, I'm not sure if that's exactly the same thing I'm seeing...

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: my remote reacts fairly quickly, but the video doesn't compensate by seeking back that small percentage

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skd5aner:

it just plays back from where ever the button press as received, and I don't recall it feeling "sluggish" to respond I suppose

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skd5aner:

s/as/is

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Methuselah:

iamlindoro: Yes thanks, you knowledge is appreiated, it was a permissions issue. However, reading the page you mentioned says nothing about this. I will fix it perhaps. There should be a reference to this as I am sure more people than just me will experience this issue.

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iamlindoro:

Methuselah: That has nothing to do with mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

Please don't modify the page to say that you should be able to read the files unless you aslo add the fact that the sky is blue and water is wet

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wagnerrp:

its a general assumption that you understand about file permissions

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Methuselah:

I know its thishttp://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo#Sett . . . mage_Folders

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wagnerrp:

and more than that, mythtv-setup will warn you on exit if your permissions are set up wrong

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JEDIDIAH__:

I dunno. The newer crop of users seem to need to be told that water is wet.

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wagnerrp:

at least if youre running mythtv-setup as the same user that runs the backend, as youre supposed to

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mikeones:

wagnerrp: the backend runs as root right?

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iamlindoro:

The backend runs as whatever user you tell it to run as

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** mikeones goes to check mine **

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iamlindoro:

Generally speaking you should *not* run the backend as root, though some packagers choose to configure myth that way

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wagnerrp:

mikeones: there is no reason for the backend to run as root

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skd5aner:

sure there is, then you don't have to worry about permissions ;)

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wagnerrp:

and any program that does not absolutely need to be run as root should not be

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mikeones:

right. it is running as my mythtv users

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skd5aner:

(I'm jocking)

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mikeones:

*user

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skd5aner:

er, joking

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wagnerrp:

this isnt Windows, we dont want everything to be an Administrator

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Methuselah:

wagner said"and more than that, mythtv-setup will warn you on exit if your permissions are set up wrong" . This would be nice if it were true.

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wagnerrp:

that is true, and it does

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Methuselah:

I did not get that warning

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup checks for write permissions on every defined storage group

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JEDIDIAH__:

I think that warning thing is only true for recordings.

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wagnerrp:

if it did not complain, then you were running it as a user that had write permissions

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend will also complain when you start it up if you check the logs

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JEDIDIAH__:

any plans to add mythgallery to the upnp server?

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wagnerrp:

long term ones

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JEDIDIAH__:

that feature seems pretty cool otherwise

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skd5aner:

JEDIDIAH__: you should talk to Beirdo, he's worked a little on mythgallery and the upnp server over the last several months

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Methuselah:

anyways, thanks for the help!

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skd5aner:

JEDIDIAH__: both mythgallery and upnp don't seem to have a dedicated caretaker, so new features on them don't get added that often unless people submit patches

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JEDIDIAH__:

I was messing around with something else and noticed that my master backend got mounted with djmount

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wagnerrp:

upnp does have a dedicated caretaker

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skd5aner:

dblain or beirdo?

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skd5aner:

or other?

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wagnerrp:

former

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skd5aner:

yea, well... it's still not dblain is actively working on it

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: currently, mythgallery exists only in the frontend instance

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wagnerrp:

there is no backend component, there are no shared database tables

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skd5aner:

at least, that I can see from committed changesets to upnp

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wagnerrp:

its perpetual 'browse mode'

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JEDIDIAH__:

there's no reason the upnp server couldn't be in perpetual browse mode too in that regard.

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wagnerrp:

well that is the case for mythvideo content

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drindt:

the table recordseek is crashed is that important?

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wagnerrp:

the upnp server performs its own scan of the video folders, rather than pulling from the videometadata table

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wagnerrp:

drindt: yes, that is a very important table

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iamlindoro:

only if you actually want to be able to properly seek/cut/etc. recordings

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iamlindoro:

by which I mean, yes

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iamlindoro:

*any* Myth table being marked as crashed is a problem

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wagnerrp:

technically, its all recalculate-able

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wagnerrp:

but running mythcommflag on /all/ your recordings to rebuild the seekdata is not something you want to do

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drindt:

ah ok i understand thank you

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drindt:

i wonder this file has lots of data in just 4 months

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wagnerrp:

how many recordings do you have?

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skd5aner:

about the issue I'm seeing when something starts to record on my combined FE/SBE, why would it cause issues with playback during the start of recording? Almost like something is locking/blocking or taking a huge ammount of resources at once

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skd5aner:

This kind of blip did not occur in 0.23 on the same os/hardware

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skd5aner:

The tuner hooked up to the SBE is an HD-PVR

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iamlindoro:

The backend can't block the frontend

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kormoc:

I don't see a blip on my setup

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iamlindoro:

So if anything, it's resource starvation

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iamlindoro:

But yeah, I don't see issues either

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you said you had no intention of changing anything in zmserver.cpp because it isnt currently using any mythtv libraries?

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skd5aner:

hmmm...

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skd5aner:

any recommndations on how I might be able to track it down?

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skd5aner:

I've got 2GB RAM, running a Core2 Duo E6400 (2.13GHz dual core)

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skd5aner:

It happens when the HD-PVR starts to record and the blue light on the recorder kicks on (usually at the top or bottom of the hour)

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skd5aner:

Did not occur until after upgrade to 0.24, and honestly it's a minor annoyance I can live with – but felt it might be a sign of something that changed that you guys might be interested in looking at

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skd5aner:

Its easy to replicate – watch recording, set up something to record via the HD-PVR, and bam :)

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: correct

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Beirdo:

it's a standalone binary

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wagnerrp:

so everything seems done? its just a matter of testing/tweaking?

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iamlindoro:

I'd like to be sure that no touching of the QProcess stuff in the metadata classes is occurring for now?

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wagnerrp:

incorrect

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iamlindoro:

Please don't change anything in the metadata code without letting me approve it

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wagnerrp:

all QProcess has been removed except for the mythterminal stuff that neither Beirdo or I understands

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iamlindoro:

There are no known issues with QProcess in the metadata classes, please do not change that for now

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wagnerrp:

metadata and netvision stuff both?

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iamlindoro:

By which I mean, I really, really, really would prefer to be in control of what is done to my own code in those specific classes. When that stuff is committed and has no obvious issues, I will be happy to make the adjustments myself

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Beirdo:

there is to be no QProcess in mythtv

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iamlindoro:

There is to be no changing of my metadata classes without my approval

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iamlindoro:

I'll revert any changes in code I maintain until *I* am satisfied

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Beirdo:

you can look over what we've done and test it before it gets committed, of course

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iamlindoro:

So rather than making me do that, please leave it alone

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iamlindoro:

And I will be happy to make the changes myself when I'm satisfied it all works

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Beirdo:

It's already done, just not committed to anywhere but a git branch

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iamlindoro:

OK, so don't commit it

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wagnerrp:

well commit the rest of the stuff

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wagnerrp:

and toss the patches over to you for review

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iamlindoro:

And send me a patch for the metadata classes

[17:55:59]

iamlindoro:

exactly

[17:56:11]

iamlindoro:

I am happy to perform the testing and commits myself

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, it's like hulu only without the content licensing!

[17:56:58]

iamlindoro:

Also, presumably you are both testing these changes on OS X and Windows

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: heh

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wagnerrp:

OSX should 'just work'

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wagnerrp:

nothing windows yet

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wagnerrp:

windows will currently fail horribly

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iamlindoro:

Well that would be an uncommittable change then IMO

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Beirdo:

as has been said many times before.... mythtv is primarily a linux app. The others come after, and need to be fixed before release.

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iamlindoro:

Not attempting to be a hardass, just suggesting that if something fundamental is going to go in, it needs to work on all our supported platforms

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wagnerrp:

by 'just work', i mean its only using POSIX standard stuff, and works on linux and BSD

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: That is your opinion, which is not shared by everyone

[17:59:31]

iamlindoro:

stuart M, Mark K, Janne, and I minimally disagree with you

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Beirdo:

there may be some time between initial commit and final commit where Windows may be broken in the development branch

[18:00:03]

Beirdo:

but not in the final release

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Beirdo:

just like it's always been

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iamlindoro:

It having always been that way does not make it acceptable now

[18:01:03]

iamlindoro:

We've discussed treating OSX and Windows as primary platforms, with general assent and only real disagreement coming from you

[18:01:06]

Beirdo:

this is neither the place nor the time for such a discussion.

[18:01:22]

iamlindoro:

You say so because you would rather shut down the discussion than have to deal with it

[18:01:39]

iamlindoro:

IMO myth_system has been broken badly enough lately

[18:01:49]

iamlindoro:

And doesn't have a good track record at all in the past few months

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Beirdo:

I say so because a) this is the users channel. b) I have a roaring headache. c) I don't need this crap.

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iamlindoro:

So switching even more code to use it while flippantly breaking non-linux platforms is unacceptable to me

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iamlindoro:

Sorry you don't need it, and sorry abut your headache. Let's move to -dev

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Gibby:

paul-h: Do you see any lag time been zoneminder and mythzoneminder live views?

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high-rez:

I've looked for this quite a bit – but I'm still frankly a bit confused. Does anyone know what the different also device enumerations for an HDMI audio card mean? Is one for LPCM, another for digital pass through, anothyer for passthrough at a high bit rate etc?

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wagnerrp:

usually one is HDMI (full bitrate, multichannel LPCM, HD formats, high bitrates, high sample rates), the other is only SPDIF

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: Is there a way to tell which is which ? Does alsa:hdmi point to one of those devices – or does it point to all of them – and the sotware should figure out which should be used for what purpose ?

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wagnerrp:

they should be named

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high-rez:

E.g. if I tell myth alsa:hdmi – I get terrible audio out of my system. if I point to alsa:plughw:0,9 – I can send lpcm out. Of course if I click ac3/dts pass through – then that stuff gets garbled.

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: Does alsa take care of naming them or is this something the user should do in asoundrc?

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wagnerrp:

the hardware driver should take care of naming them

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high-rez:

should I see the names in aply -l ? E.g. http://pastebin.com/6vkX5e7n this shows only enumerations – but not actual names. And of course, this then bets the question can I tell myth to use one of them for pcm and the other for digital passthrough?

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high-rez:

s/aply/aplay

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high-rez:

alsamixer shoes a pcm volume control and 4 spdif devices. So I'm guessing the driver is wrong here – as one of them is certainly lpcm (0,9)

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iamlindoro:

HAHAHAHA

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iamlindoro:

"Remember that the only real difference between a commercial and a TV

[19:09:06]

iamlindoro:

show is that one lasts 30 seconds and the other lasts 30 minutes."

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iamlindoro:

That should be in the topic

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JEDIDIAH__:

Time for the Chocobot Power Hour

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JEDIDIAH__:

is it a commercial anymore if the show is so old they don't sell those toys anymore?

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elkin:

hi! I was themeing the schedules-ui.xml and somehow the 'recordstatus type="WeekslotRecord"' of the guidegrit gets shown as if it was "FindOneRecord"... am I doing something wrong?

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iamlindoro:

Difficult to know if you are doing anything wrong without seeing what you're doing wrong

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iamlindoro:

#mythtv-theming might be a better channel to ask, too

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elkin:

@iamlindoro didn't know there was a theming channel... thanks

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iamlindoro:

np, make sure to just pastebin the code

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, epic thread

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kormoc:

(of delusion!)

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: heh, yeah, I've often found myself wishing that a commercial could be extended out to 30 mintues... they are just the same after all

[19:26:08]

iamlindoro:

It reminds me of the 27bslash6 article

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iamlindoro:

http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p2.html

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kormoc:

well, no one watches the super bowl for the sports, just the commercials

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kormoc:

yeah, I like 27b/6

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kormoc:

Another win for the thread is the subject, "Large Scale Disruptive Project"

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iamlindoro:

We gon' change the world! BECAUSE NOBODY HAS EVER HEARD OF A PVR!

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iamlindoro:

1995 called, they want their TiVo back

[19:31:35]

iamlindoro:

Hell, even the company name is likely a trademark violation

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kormoc:

"You might be surprised by the marketing and media people already on the team." With the website's design, I'd be surprised if *any* marketing or media people are on the team

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iamlindoro:

That's an excellent approach to corporate management too, btw

[19:32:26]

iamlindoro:

Step one, get marketing people

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iamlindoro:

step two, get product

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iamlindoro:

Ready, fire, aim!

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kormoc:

hehe

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kormoc:

I like the images, http://www.openivo.com/stuff

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kormoc:

cooltext and oldtv

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iamlindoro:

http://www.openivo.com/home2

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iamlindoro:

What we believe in:

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iamlindoro:

Freedom and privacy for the user.

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iamlindoro:

(except we're going to be hiring someone to track what you do)

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kormoc:

oh wow, he ran for Ohio's AG position, http://www.feldmanforohio.com/

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iamlindoro:

In fairness, he probably is a perfectly likable and normal guy

[19:36:59]

iamlindoro:

he just doesn't know what he's jumping in to

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kormoc:

I find it really funny that a libertarian wants to build a ad based user tracking system

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iamlindoro:

Guy in the upper right is about a decade older than guy in center, though :)

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JEDIDIAH__:

libertarians will be the first people to make and sell Soylent Green

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kormoc:

JEDIDIAH__, no, tufu got pretty close and that was a hippy thing

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Methuselah:

I'm getting this error message:

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Methuselah:

2010-11–16 12:06:24.474 Running Grabber: /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Movie/tmdb.py -l en -M X_MEN_ORIGINS_WOLVERINE

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Methuselah:

2010-11–16 12:06:24.530 No results found for X_MEN_ORIGINS_WOLVERINE 0 0

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Methuselah:

2010-11–16 12:06:24.531 MythUIHelper, Error: LoadScaleImage(mv_browse_nocover.png)Unable to find image file

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JEDIDIAH__:

that guy would be better of trying to replace PC Alchemy

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iamlindoro:

Methuselah: Does X_MEN_ORIGINS_WOLVERINE look like a valid title to you?

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iamlindoro:

And you appear to have set a subtitle for it, too

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Twiggy|worx:

Methuselah, is a pirate!

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Twiggy|worx:

Only pirates use underscores

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Twiggy|worx:

arggg

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Azelphur:

Yarrr

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Azelphur:

avast ye mateys.

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy|worx: no, that sounds more like the DVD label

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iamlindoro:

If you want the grabber to return something sensible, then remove the subtitle and set the title to something that is actually a movie title

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Methuselah:

I own this dvd

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wagnerrp:

DVD labels are all caps with underscores

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iamlindoro:

ie, "X-Men Origins: Wolverine"

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JEDIDIAH__:

yup. Definitely looks like the label straight from the DVD

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Methuselah:

Just mad an iso with anydvdhd

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Methuselah:

did this along time ago.

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JEDIDIAH__:

3RD_ROCK_S1D4.10–1.vob

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Twiggy|worx:

ohh, I dont bother importing dvds so I haven't ever noticed

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JEDIDIAH__:

You will see those names even if you just insert a DVD on something like GNOME.

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Twiggy|worx:

now that you mention it, I think i have seen it. But in all honesty I usually use the dvd player for that. It requires less clicks.

[19:59:38]

wagnerrp:

yeah, but you only have to rip the DVD once

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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iamlindoro:

Go metadata scripts

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iamlindoro:

tmdb.py -l en -M X_MEN_ORIGINS_WOLVERINE

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iamlindoro:

works just fine

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iamlindoro:

So, for the (3rd? 4th?) time today, broken bindings or metadata scripts not installed

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wagnerrp:

you dont have to get up, find the disk on the shelf, put it in the player, wait through all the anti-piracy warnings, wait through all the studio enforced trailers, ...

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** iamlindoro really hopes the packagers have fixed all this stuff by .25 **

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wagnerrp:

Methuselah: run that command from the command line, what happens?

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JEDIDIAH__:

How about something like? tmdb.py -l en -M X_MEN_ORIGINS_WOLVERINE -T 5

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JEDIDIAH__:

Track 5 of the DVD

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i blame debian for requiring their own special placement of python scripts

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iamlindoro:

JEDIDIAH__: are you aware of any metadata source that also exposes what track is which on the DVD?

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iamlindoro:

(one with legal TOS, to boot)

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iamlindoro:

ie, an API and favorable terms

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sgsax:

I found the state flags for the job queue libs/libmythtv/jobqueue.h

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JEDIDIAH__:

no. that's why I was asking. It would be a blissful bit of progress.

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sgsax:

still digging for encoder state flags

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iamlindoro:

So... I guess we'll get that when all our ponies are delivered, then

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iamlindoro:

tmdb.py -l en -M X_MEN_ORIGINS_WOLVERINE -S Female -m 36,28,34 --promiscuity extreme --experimental true

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JEDIDIAH__:

I have plenty of metadata to contribute to such a beast if it exists.

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: the other issue is there is no standard format for DVD labels

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JEDIDIAH__:

you don't want promiscuity, just nymphomania

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Methuselah:

yeah its not finding that command.

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wagnerrp:

S1D4 may work for that series, but not for some other

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iamlindoro:

Methuselah: So you don't have metadata scripts installed, gotta fix that

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JEDIDIAH__:

S1D4 is the label on the disk

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: correct, and it is completely arbitrary

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JEDIDIAH__:

yes. but it's what the manufacturer put there.

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iamlindoro:

Methuselah: Out of curiosity, whose packages are you using?

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Methuselah:

mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

but without any standard format, you cant reliably parse it

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JEDIDIAH__:

If you know what it maps to, you don't need to parse it.

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wagnerrp:

what revision?

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Methuselah:

.24 ppa

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wagnerrp:

'mythbackend --version'

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JEDIDIAH__:

just like th id's on CDs.

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iamlindoro:

Methuselah: I would inquire in #mythbuntu, but sounds like your packages are out of dat as they had allegedly fixed the scripts

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Methuselah:

alright, i will check into it

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iamlindoro:

please reply to wagnerrp though

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iamlindoro:

ie, give your revision number from the version output

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iamlindoro:

tgm4883: ^^ I am fairly certain you guys have this one fixed, but FYI

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JEDIDIAH__:

The real problem is when Anchor Bay decides to label all 6 seasons of highlander as HIGHLANDER.

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iamlindoro:

That's secondary to the problem of actually having to watch Highlander

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Methuselah:

27235

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: does bluray have any more reliable disk identifier?

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Chiwauwa:

Hi ... trying to ask one last time :-) ... About this freeze 20 secs into the playback of a recording. When watching one of my DVD movies ripped to my HD the frontend (on same machine as the backend) ends up saying (same for the recording) "Player(0): Waited 100ms for video buffers ...". I'm out of ideas :-(

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Well... sort of. It would be possible-ish to combine a couple of pieces of metadta to come up with a semi-reliable "fingerprint"

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JEDIDIAH__:

bluray seems to do the same thing.

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wagnerrp:

ah, didnt know if there was any sort of 'disc id' as there is with CDs

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iamlindoro:

Blu-ray has similar volume labels, but that's not what you'd want to use to identify the disc

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: A disc *does* have what's called a VUK (Volume Unique Key) but preserving that also means preserving the AACS

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iamlindoro:

So it's a give and take

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JEDIDIAH__:

as long as it is unique, it will be perfectly fine as a key.

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iamlindoro:

I doubt that's what any metadata source would go with

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wagnerrp:

well if nothing else, the hash keys might take off and we can do automatic identification off the m2ts file itself

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wagnerrp:

assuming decryption is repeatable

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, playlist parsing + content hashing would be pretty universally reliable

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iamlindoro:

in fact, the .bdmv files almost certainly expose a UUID for the disc, I need to see the spec again

[20:14:10]

iamlindoro:

(if it's there, should be easy to add it to the API, I'll have a look)

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sgsax:

found an enum for encoder or tuner states: libs/libmythtv/tv.h, but the backend is definitely returning and integer and not a string, still need to poke around a little more

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wagnerrp:

ENUMs are always integers

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wagnerrp:

seems 8 is kState_ChangingState

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sgsax:

thing is, I was getting a status of 6 when recording a show last night

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sgsax:

and according to the enum, that should be kState_WatchingRecording, and I was definitely not watching an in-progress recording

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wagnerrp:

that would be kState_WatchingRecording

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sgsax:

right, so it should have returned kState_RecordingOnly or 7

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wagnerrp:

as indicated RecordingOnly is not used

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wagnerrp:

the backend and encoder really doesnt care if you are watching an in-progress recording

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wagnerrp:

nothing changes as they are completely independent

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wagnerrp:

so there is really no reason for a different state

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sgsax:

fair enough

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sgsax:

where is that indicated?

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wagnerrp:

what?

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sgsax:

where RecordingOnly isn't used

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sgsax:

it's not in the comments in tv.h

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wagnerrp:

ah, nevermind

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wagnerrp:

i read below instead of above

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wagnerrp:

'this is a placeholder state which we never actually enter'

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sgsax:

right the ChangingState

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sgsax:

it makes sense that it doesn't matter

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sgsax:

and I assume that states for the job queue are bitmasks and additive

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wagnerrp:

no, any job can only hold one state

[20:27:56]

wagnerrp:

even if their values may suggest otherwise

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sgsax:

right now, I have a job with status 272, that the html status says "Job: Flag Commercials, State: Finished"

[20:33:26]

wagnerrp:

correct

[20:33:51]

sgsax:

the job status map says "Finished" = 0x0110

[20:34:07]

wagnerrp:

correct

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sgsax:

isn't that 626?

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, have only seen issues with metadata with people that have stuff in /usr/local http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10120524&postcount=5

[20:34:35]

wagnerrp:

0x0110 == 272

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iamlindoro:

tgm4883: He is calling the script at the location that it shoudl be, and it doesn't exist

[20:34:56]

tgm4883:

hmm

[20:35:00]

tgm4883:

frontend only?

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iamlindoro:

specifically, $mythprefix/share/mythtv/metadata

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sgsax:

ok, I was doing it wrong

[20:35:11]

iamlindoro:

Dunno, you can ask

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tgm4883:

Methuselah, is that a frontend only machine?

[20:35:40]

JEDIDIAH__:

...ghosts of installations past.

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iamlindoro:

That is not the case here as far as I can tell

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sgsax:

ah, there's another value buried in the xml: type=2

[20:36:34]

iamlindoro:

There is no condition under which the metadata scripts would not exist relative to the intall's prefix, other than a package ripping then out

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sgsax:

ok, I can work with this

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wagnerrp:

sgsax: thats the jobtype, means its commflagging

[20:37:11]

sgsax:

right, I saw that

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sgsax:

I was just looking for where it was getting passed back

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sgsax:

so when are jobs aged out of the job queue?

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sgsax:

they obviously stick around for a time after they're done

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Chiwauwa:

Concerning my freeze issue ... can it be due to some issues with the audio (haven't configured that). I get the following message from the frontend "Player(0): Video is 30 frames ahead of audio, doubling video frame interval to slow down."

[20:39:46]

Chiwauwa:

and then "Player(0): Waiting for video buffers ..." and then "A0: Pause 1" ... "Player(0): Waited 100ms ..."

[20:40:42]

wagnerrp:

successful jobs are usually gone within a day

[20:40:48]

wagnerrp:

failed jobs last far longer

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wagnerrp:

dont know off hand, but its probably handled by the housekeeper in the backend

[20:41:54]

iamlindoro:

yeah, housekeeper cleans up

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skd5aner:

gizmodo does actual investigative reporting now? http://gizmodo.com/5690749/these-are-the-firs . . . d-body-scans

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, fsck, I see the issue

[20:51:24]

iamlindoro:

cool

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, usr/share/mythtv/internetcontent what uses that?

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iamlindoro:

netvision

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tgm4883:

frontend/backend?

[20:51:36]

iamlindoro:

both

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tgm4883:

ok

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tgm4883:

i'll fix it up right now

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iamlindoro:

tgm4883: This is kinda what I was getting at the other day re: false splits

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** tgm4883 scowls at iamlindoro :) **

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iamlindoro:

Hey, I'm just a bystander

[20:52:48]

iamlindoro:

you guys do what you like

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Azelphur:

iamlindoro: ^ was the reason I had missing metadata grabbing scripts btw :p

[20:53:05]

iamlindoro:

But the roof ends up tumbling down on everyone's head, usually starting on ours

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iamlindoro:

Azelphur: save your stuck-out-tongue for mythbuntu

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, I would venture that is the issue with Methuselah's, it's a frontend only machine. ATM it's only on a backend

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tgm4883:

should be fixed in tonights builds once I get this committed

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iamlindoro:

tgm4883: ok, glad to hear it, thanks for the attention

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tgm4883:

yw, ping me if you need/see anything else

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iamlindoro:

will do

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: have you tried the hulu scripts recently? I haven't ever been able to succesfully load a video from that source yet... the page loads, but the video box always says that the video is unavailable, regardless of video

[21:03:04]

iamlindoro:

Hulu scripts worked fine for me as recently as last week

[21:03:16]

iamlindoro:

sounds like maybe you're not updating your content?

[21:03:33]

skd5aner:

hmmm, I've manually updated, as well as turned on the option to allow auotmatic updates?

[21:03:36]

iamlindoro:

in .24, temporarily, you must either manually invoke an update in the UI or cron mythfillnetvision

[21:03:46]

iamlindoro:

automatic updates do nothing at the momeny

[21:03:47]

iamlindoro:

t

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skd5aner:

ok... I will attempt to manually update and try again and see what happens

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iamlindoro:

the preferred approach from a user experience perspective is to cron mythfillnetvision

[21:04:25]

iamlindoro:

in .25 the housekeeper will run it

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skd5aner:

cool, I'll check out the wiki page for more details

[21:05:12]

skd5aner:

I've also had some issues with the mtv source not playing back, but I think somethine else is up there and not worried about it yet

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iamlindoro:

The API has changed subtly from what I understand, and embedding the videos may not be possible any more. When we know more the script will be updated

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skd5aner:

np – I don't always know if things like this are a "just me" thing, an "everybody" thing that hasn't be identified, or something that's known – thanks

[21:06:42]

iamlindoro:

That one is a known-but-not-reported but usually I try to sneak in fixes before people do ;)

[21:07:03]

skd5aner:

sorry, I looked on the wiki page for MNV, but didn't see anything... what's the command line to update MNV?

[21:07:12]

iamlindoro:

mythfillnetvision

[21:07:22]

skd5aner:

and is it a frontend thing, or a backend thing? (no arguments required)?

[21:07:28]

iamlindoro:

has a --help if you want to see the other options, but that one will fill the bare minimum

[21:07:33]

skd5aner:

ok

[21:07:42]

iamlindoro:

you can force an update of RSS and content scripts, or both

[21:07:59]

iamlindoro:

It's something that *should* be run on the backend, but is distributed as part of the plugin still

[21:08:08]

iamlindoro:

I think I put a --refresh-all in there

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skd5aner:

cool, just wanted to cron it on the best device

[21:09:04]

iamlindoro:

Honestly I had thought to get it all done in .24 but a combination of laziness, tiredness, and business conspired against that

[21:09:23]

iamlindoro:

By .25 the executable should be a part of core myth, since it's just a tiny thing, and the housekeeper should run it automatically daily

[21:09:43]

skd5aner:

hmmmm, I don't see a mythfillnetvision binary on my system?

[21:09:44]

iamlindoro:

The primary reason for breaking it out is because running it automatically in the frontend could max out the CPU while it parsed the content, and you had to leave the FE running

[21:10:09]

iamlindoro:

It's installed as part of MNV

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skd5aner:

ahh, I'm dumb...

[21:10:22]

skd5aner:

didn't compile any plugins on the MBE, der

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skd5aner:

I see it on my FE/SBE, I'll attempt to run it from there

[21:11:39]

iamlindoro:

So long as the scripts are all installed on that system, it should run fine there too

[21:12:03]

skd5aner:

yea, looking good so far, thanks... I'll give hulu a test when it's done, and if it doesn't work give you the exact message it's giving me

[21:12:22]

RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: The Hulu MNV grabber was updated just last week due to bad metadata from Hulu aborting the script. Also using mythfillnetvision in an over night cron job is a must when you subscribe to several grabbers as UI initiated updates take too long. Not an MVN issue mind you.

[21:12:43]

iamlindoro:

Well, it sort of is, it's just a usability issue more than it is a bugworthy one :)

[21:12:54]

skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: thanks for the advice – how often do you guys recommend running the job, once nightly?

[21:12:58]

iamlindoro:

but it's the middle ground that I made it to this last release, just didn't get all the way to where I wanted

[21:13:03]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: nightly is good

[21:13:16]

iamlindoro:

and you shouldn't need to invoke it with options, it should run anything that needs updating

[21:13:23]

RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: Nightly as not that much changes everyday

[21:13:25]

iamlindoro:

the options are really just to "force" a reload

[21:13:45]

skd5aner:

yea, running with as-is right now

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skd5aner:

I still wish the youtube API was a bit better at returning results – I get a mixed bag when I search for things based on titles I know to exist and work fine direclty in the browser

[21:15:44]

skd5aner:

likely not MNV's fault, but still – it's a bit goofy when the search result set is completely different (and incomplete) from what the same search provides on their site

[21:15:50]

Chiwauwa:

... and we have a winner :-) Finally

[21:16:01]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: We live or die by what the API gives us

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kkuphal:

Hi guys. On a newly built CentOS 5 system, getting a strange compile error that I'm sure is just a missing -devel package but I can't track it down. Error is that v4l2_encoder_cmd command has incomplete type and cannot be defined in analogsignalmonitor.cpp. Full error here: http://pastebin.com/W3bJtpwQ

[21:16:33]

skd5aner:

I see a video, mark down the title, and want to share with the family – search for the title in MNV, and the video may or may not come up :P

[21:16:36]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: yea, I know

[21:16:41]

Chiwauwa:

It was the audio. When I got that set up to 'ALSA:pulse' it works on the combined frontend/backend and on the remote laptop.

[21:16:49]

skd5aner:

so what the heck is up with their API I wonder?

[21:17:30]

Chiwauwa:

Playback stopped as the video and audio got too much out of sync.

[21:17:35]

RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: I just ran the Hulu grabber on my machine and it is working.

[21:17:38]

Chiwauwa:

Thank you for your help.

[21:17:53]

kkuphal:

video4linux-devel is installed (naturally) and the videodev2.h is in the right place (/usr/include/v4l/linux/videodev2.h)

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skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: well, I'll see what's going on – the grabber seems to work, but the video never loads (the site does, but what appears in the box doesn't) – I'll let you know more specific after the grabber update if it's still acting weird

[21:19:20]

iamlindoro:

To me, that's consistent with the items having aged out

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skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: but thanks for testing – I'm assuming that included playback of a video for you too :)

[21:19:23]

RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: That may be a Flash issue if the Hulu web page loads.

[21:19:24]

iamlindoro:

But we'll see

[21:19:32]

iamlindoro:

and yeah, possible flash/Qt interaction issue too

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n0tk:

does anyone know what's the deal with nvidia and xvmc on mythbuntu 10.10?

[21:20:34]

iamlindoro:

What driver are you running?

[21:20:43]

iamlindoro:

nVidia hasn't supported XvMC in a driver in ages

[21:20:53]

iamlindoro:

including, most likely, anything shipped in current ubuntu

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n0tk:

really?

[21:20:57]

iamlindoro:

really

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n0tk:

it worked on 10.04

[21:21:06]

iamlindoro:

Was removed sometime pre-200-series drivers

[21:21:15]

iamlindoro:

on 10.04 you were likely using a 185 series driver

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n0tk:

now it just crashes the x-server whenever myth invokes the xvmc codecs

[21:21:23]

iamlindoro:

Which was probably 5 months old then

[21:21:26]

n0tk:

right, 185

[21:21:36]

Twiggy|worx:

n0tk, just use vdpau

[21:21:36]

n0tk:

ages > 20 years

[21:21:38]

n0tk:

20

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skd5aner:

what video carD?

[21:21:46]

n0tk:

is vdpau better?

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: Yes I just tried it and the Hulu video played in MythBrowser

[21:21:55]

n0tk:

its an nvidia 9xxx series

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iamlindoro:

Twiggy|worx: ANy card that can do XvMC can by definition not do VDPAU

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n0tk:

with realvideo

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iamlindoro:

uhh, your 9xxx series was never doing XvMC

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wagnerrp:

n0tk: there is no hardware acceleration of 'realvideo'

[21:22:27]

iamlindoro:

XvMC is cards 7xxx series and lower

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wagnerrp:

and you would be advised to use a more mainstream codec in the future

[21:22:32]

iamlindoro:

VDPAU is 8xxx series and later

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n0tk:

oh

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n0tk:

I also have a 7050

[21:22:43]

Twiggy|worx:

iamlindoro, thats wrong.. I have a nvidia g210 and with the old driver I could do both. At least as far as myth showed. With the update to the new driver I could no longer use XvMC

[21:22:47]

iamlindoro:

That card would be capable of XvMC if your driver supported it

[21:22:53]

iamlindoro:

Twiggy|worx: No, you are wrong.

[21:23:01]

Twiggy|worx:

how.. It worked for me on the old driver

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n0tk:

so vdpau is a different form of hardware acceleration?

[21:23:04]

iamlindoro:

A g2xx series is not capable of XvMC

[21:23:07]

wagnerrp:

Twiggy|worx: the GT210 does not support XvMC, period

[21:23:16]

wagnerrp:

if you thought it was doing it, you were mistaken

[21:23:19]

Twiggy|worx:

so why did it play back on it with the old driver?

[21:23:27]

wagnerrp:

because it fell through to Xv

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iamlindoro:

Twiggy|worx: Because it fell back to Xv

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n0tk:

did they ever get xvmc working with the via-epia motherboards?

[21:23:53]

Twiggy|worx:

okay, if thats the case, why doesnt it do that with the new driver, intead of crashing?

[21:24:11]

iamlindoro:

Twiggy|worx: Becaause the new driver/Xorg has a bug

[21:24:41]

n0tk:

I also have a G84M, does that support vdpau?

[21:24:46]

wagnerrp:

yes

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n0tk:

cool

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Twiggy|worx:

okay fair enough. I retract my statement :) I just know that the old driver played with the profile that had xvmc in it. I just figured that it was using it

[21:25:12]

n0tk:

so I should switch my 9xxx system with vdpau and everything should be running gnarly?

[21:25:27]

wagnerrp:

n0tk: what processor do you have? what content are you trying to play?

[21:25:40]

n0tk:

broadcast hd video in the US

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iamlindoro:

presuming you have all the required VDPAU libraries installed/meet all the required dependencies, VDPAU should work fine on your 9xxx

[21:26:04]

n0tk:

its a dual core amd processor

[21:26:05]

wagnerrp:

unless you are using an Atom, or a very old process, VDPAU should be unnecessary

[21:26:25]

wagnerrp:

just about any dual core processor ever made by AMD would have no trouble with it

[21:26:32]

n0tk:

the point of buying an accelerator videocard is to reduce cpu usage

[21:26:50]

iamlindoro:

The point of playing video is to see pictures and hear sound

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Twiggy|worx:

lol

[21:27:16]

wagnerrp:

but at the point where the cpu usage required to play your video is fairly trivial, a hardware accelerator becomes an hindrance

[21:27:22]

iamlindoro:

Since hardware acceleration is *not* perfect and cannot support all content, software decode should be used when possible

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, sound is optional

[21:27:39]

iamlindoro:

tgm4883: heh

[21:27:39]

n0tk:

hmm..

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wagnerrp:

for example, mythtv will auto-scale if it detects cropped content

[21:27:48]

wagnerrp:

that will not work with VDPAU

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n0tk:

video is optional if you have sound, as long as you can navigate the menus

[21:28:20]

wagnerrp:

ffmpeg can handle errors much better than any hardware decoder, merely because its in software and far more flexible

[21:28:25]

skd5aner:

What is considered the optimal output mechanism though, for PQ? I would assume Xv would not be it?

[21:28:33]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: EWWWWW!

[21:28:38]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Heh, no

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wagnerrp:

PQ?

[21:28:43]

n0tk:

so I should set my decoders for playback to 'normal' ?

[21:28:46]

skd5aner:

picture quality

[21:28:55]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: VDPAU will do a pretty good job for the content it supports. Failing that, GL is what you want

[21:28:57]

wagnerrp:

no, opengl is preferred

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skd5aner:

yea, I knew Xv wasn't really a contender... but forgot about opengl...

[21:29:16]

skd5aner:

for playback

[21:29:27]

skd5aner:

(I do use opengl for the painter)

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iamlindoro:

GL is gonna get pretty sick this next release, too

[21:29:39]

tgm4883:

n0tk, I disagree, if you are trying to play a video, the video portion is quite essential

[21:29:42]

skd5aner:

so, for video output, opengl > vdpau in terms of PQ?

[21:29:57]

** wagnerrp prefers his video renderers remain healthy **

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: yea, I saw the staging that MarkK is starting to do :)

[21:30:06]

n0tk:

I just want to watch house and football

[21:30:08]

n0tk:

so...

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: yeah... even if you only cursorily understand it, the implications are huge

[21:30:17]

n0tk:

which gives me the most orgasmic experience?

[21:30:32]

tgm4883:

neither, you probably want porn

[21:30:36]

skd5aner:

I don't understand the "ES" stuff...

[21:30:47]

wagnerrp:

s/porn/a partner/

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n0tk:

we don't like porn, just house

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iamlindoro:

n0tk: For your recorded content, VDPAU when possible is fine, or GL when not

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: opengl es is for embedded stuff

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tgm4883:

n0tk, well I guess if house does it for you

[21:31:05]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: ES is the embedded subset of GL isntructions

[21:31:18]

skd5aner:

heh "embedded stuff"

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tgm4883:

I could never get over the fact that he is british

[21:31:24]

tgm4883:

and a guy

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Allows one to embed myth on newer types of embedded hardware and still get good video/UI bling

[21:31:38]

skd5aner:

yea, gotcha

[21:31:52]

skd5aner:

thanks

[21:32:04]

iamlindoro:

np

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: for example, that beagleboard (or whatever it was) used for a recent XBMC GSoC project only supports opengl es

[21:32:33]

n0tk:

sorry, I meant purevideo before

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n0tk:

not realvideo

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n0tk:

w/e

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iamlindoro:

Purevideo is a windows marketing term

[21:32:47]

skd5aner:

so, when I can a put MythTV on a boxee box

[21:32:50]

skd5aner:

:P

[21:32:52]

wagnerrp:

and through supporting the decoder in the DSP, and the UI and rendering done through OpenGL ES, it turns out to be a decent enough frontend

[21:32:54]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: today, it's just an Atom

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n0tk:

whatever the nvidia cards have on them

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: it should work... somewhat... with the VAAPI stuff

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iamlindoro:

n0tk: The closest analogue to Purevideo in linux is VDPAU... but they are not the same, just use the same hardware

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skd5aner:

honestly, i don't know anyting about the hardware they use... I was just joking – is the hardware easily accessible/open?\

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: its an Atom, you swap the memory chip and surprise! linux!

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n0tk:

this is the video card I'm trying to use with my projector: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814134092

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: memory chip?

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ByteChang:

Hi folks

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wagnerrp:

yeah, pretty sure it runs off flash memory

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ByteChang:

Is there a way to remove all my guide data?

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skd5aner:

ah, gotcha

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wagnerrp:

ByteChang: 'truncate table program'

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wagnerrp:

not sure why you would want to

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ByteChang:

wagnerrp: What is that?

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iamlindoro:

This will end in tears

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ByteChang:

I imported a bunch of data that had the wrong channel #'s.... I've found the right batch now...

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wagnerrp:

just remove the channels, the guide data will be dropped automatically

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ByteChang:

I didn't add the channels yet... Its an external sat box.

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wagnerrp:

you cant have guide data without channels for that guide data to be mapped to

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ByteChang:

I imported it into mythfilldatabase from the command line...

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wagnerrp:

imported what? if you had no channels, it would have just exited

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jh15_1:

Was someone helping me on this channel?

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ByteChang:

well, I have about 4 channels scanned. and imported the guide for about 500 channels...

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iamlindoro:

jh15_1: uhhh, wouldn't you know that better than we?

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wagnerrp:

you cant scan channels with external tuners

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ByteChang:

I think I found that truncate problem.

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wagnerrp:

and you cant import guide data unless you have channels to import it for

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ByteChang:

well, my guide is full.:)

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jh15_1:

well i just put xchat on this backend, maybe i was in mythbuntu chat, sorry

[21:39:50]

wagnerrp:

and mythfilldatabase will only add channels if you have mapped your source to a schedulesdirect account

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iamlindoro:

!sen jh15

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iamlindoro:

!seen jh15

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MythLogBot:

jh15 is here and has been idle for 51 minutes 45 seconds

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iamlindoro:

jh15_1: You've not said anything in the last 51:45

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jh15_1:

ok thanks

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iamlindoro:

so sounds like a "no, we're not helping you here"

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jh15_1:

machines are on different flights.

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iamlindoro:

TSA is gonna be pissed

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wagnerrp:

ByteChang: and if you /have/ mapped it to a schedulesdirect account, you need to make sure its on the right lineup, and that you have filtered out any channels you dont actually have access to on their website

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** jh15_1 luks and goes to his (proper) room. **

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jh15_1:

sp lurks

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JEDIDIAH__:

how is purevideo different?

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wagnerrp:

purevideo is interfaced through DXVA, VDPAU has its own interface

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kormoc:

JEDIDIAH__, it's not that tainted video you keep hearing about

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wagnerrp:

it all accesses the same hardware

[21:47:14]

wagnerrp:

but its different ways to access that hardware on different operating systems

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JEDIDIAH__:

sounds like an academic distinction.

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wagnerrp:

theyre completely different APIs

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kormoc:

that's like saying OpenGL vs DirectX is an academic distinction

[21:48:06]

wagnerrp:

its like calling CUDA and OpenCL the same thing

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wagnerrp:

or C++ and Fortran are identical, since they all get compiled into bytecode

[21:48:33]

JEDIDIAH__:

GL and directX are functionally anc conceptually dissimilar.

[21:48:37]

kormoc:

or peanut butter and bacon!

[21:48:45]

kormoc:

they both get eaten

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JEDIDIAH__:

IOW you don't really know.

[21:49:12]

kormoc:

uhh

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skd5aner:

kkhupal, that's a name I haven't seen in a while

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kormoc:

IOW?

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iamlindoro:

PureVideo has a number of features that VDPAU lacks

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JEDIDIAH__:

in other words

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JEDIDIAH__:

bingo...

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kormoc:

...

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JEDIDIAH__:

that's the heart of the matter.

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kormoc:

what matter?

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wagnerrp:

the heart of the matter is they are completely different programming interfaces

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kormoc:

all you asked is how is purevideo different

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kormoc:

there is no matter to get to the heart of

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JEDIDIAH__:

the fact that they are different being distinct is kind of the obvious part.

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** kormoc eyes JEDIDIAH__ wondering is this is a failing trolling attempt **

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Methuselah:

I have a dedicated backend ,and a bunch of unique frontends as far localhostname. Now I am trying to incorporate my collection of iso in a storage group on the backend. Now that i can finally see the iso's , so i start editing the metadata on a frontend, but its not updating the collective. I basically would like it to work the same as the tv recordings.

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wagnerrp:

Methuselah: do you have all of these frontends running and in MythVideo?

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tgm4883:

Methuselah, yep, and I told you the issue before you left last time

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Methuselah:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

metadata is only loaded once, when you first enter MythVideo

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wagnerrp:

if you edit elsewhere, you must back out of it, and allow that data to be flushed, before you will see the updates

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wagnerrp:

there is no realtime updating as there is with the Watch Recordings screen

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Methuselah:

ok, so if turn off all the computers and just update one then everything should get flushed when i turn them back on correct?

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wagnerrp:

no, if you back out to the main menu, it will get flushed

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wagnerrp:

the next time you open Watch Videos, it will pull a completely new set of data from the database, including whatever remote metadata edits you may have made

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iamlindoro:

* after leaving MythVideo and waiting five full, long seconds

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wagnerrp:

you dont have to reboot the computer, or even restart the frontend, you just need to leave MythVideo

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Methuselah:

ok, i see

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: that five second wait is still in there? i thought that was fixed

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wagnerrp:

or was it just that you dont have to exit out and wait five seconds after a scan?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: The scan wait has long been fixed, the caching of the data for a few seconds is a feature

[22:00:13]

wagnerrp:

ah

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wagnerrp:

Methuselah: the idea is that having multiple machines all simultaneously editing metadata is going to be such a rare occurrence that its not worth the time to make it work properly

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Methuselah:

yeah thats fine i understand

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wagnerrp:

you mentioned 'localhostname', does that mean youre manually setting the hostname in the mysql.txt?

[22:02:52]

Methuselah:

yes sir.

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wagnerrp:

why?

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Methuselah:

because i am using a multiseat setup

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Methuselah:

i have 4 bedrooms on one computer

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wagnerrp:

that a sure fire recipe for endless pain

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wagnerrp:

it *can* be done, but not easily

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Methuselah:

its been working great for the last year

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wagnerrp:

even just running four independent displays with mouse and keyboard is quite an accomplishment

[22:05:06]

Methuselah:

well it works fine with tv, recording ,videos, but i was trying to get videos working in storage groups

[22:05:46]

Methuselah:

computers are getting so powerfull, its a waste

[22:06:20]

Methuselah:

I bet you could run 12 or so dvd on one computer.

[22:06:38]

wagnerrp:

Methuselah: no, you cant

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Methuselah:

If the linux drivers for ati get better

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wagnerrp:

Xv and VDPAU only support a single video interface per adapter

[22:06:54]

wagnerrp:

meaning you need a separate video card per seat

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wagnerrp:

OpenGL should fare better, but you still need a decently powerful video card to much multiple displays

[22:07:48]

wagnerrp:

then you have audio to worry about... ideally that would be done over HDMI so you have one interface per port

[22:07:49]

Methuselah:

yeah thats why i only have 4 running now , i have 4 5450

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wagnerrp:

but i dont actually know if you get one audio interface per HDMI port on the video cards that support such

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Methuselah:

yes using hdmi

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Methuselah:

thats what i am doing

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Methuselah:

Its been working good for quite a while now, since jaunty

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wagnerrp:

5450 with HDMI... so AMD cards?

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Methuselah:

yeah

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Methuselah:

Be nice when vaapi gets going.

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Methuselah:

I don't have bluerays yet so its not a big deal

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wagnerrp:

VAAPI will likely have the same problem as VDPAU, one instance per card

[22:10:14]

wagnerrp:

but you seem to have that covered

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Methuselah:

I can play 4 dvd no problem, but i doubt 4 i could run 4 blueray

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro, RDV_Linux: ok, update of MNV is done... went in, browsed HULU and picked a random video from the list... still get an error message "Sorry, this video is currently unavailable. We apologize for any inconvenience Note: If this message appears repeatedly, you may need to clear your browser cache and restart your browser"

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skd5aner:

Page loads, and that message appears within the flash box

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wagnerrp:

with VAAPI, sure

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Methuselah:

thats going to be .25 thing right?

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro, RDV_Linux: ... after a brief moment of a spinning gray circle

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wagnerrp:

but no single-socket process can handle four instances of bluray playback in realtime

[22:12:08]

wagnerrp:

maybe one of the 12-core Opterons or Xeons

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wagnerrp:

but those are all for multi-socket systems

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: I have seen those occassionally. Try others. The grabber is at the mercy of the data returned from Hulu.

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skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: I have tried probably no less than 15 random videos...

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skd5aner:

It's like it goes to the correct video's page, from what I can tell, but the video is never "available"?

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skd5aner:

hrm... I was wrong, the mythfillnetvision is still running, it's stopped for the past 30 minutes on 2010-11–16 16:47:19.849 NetContent: Internet Content Source YouTube completed processing, marking as updated.

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JEDIDIAH__:

what about a C2Q with 3Gz cores?

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JEDIDIAH__:

...then there's the audio.

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: a 3GHz core on a C2 is probably going to manage about 15–16Mbps h264 decoding

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wagnerrp:

that means you /might/ be able to play a single bluray video on a 3GHz C2D

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JEDIDIAH__:

is there any benchmarking debug information in myth? I could fire it up now and see what it says.

[22:20:28]

wagnerrp:

considering shared resources and all, youre probably less likely to do manage two on a C2D

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wagnerrp:

erm... C2Q

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JEDIDIAH__:

still. 4 nettops would probably be a lot simpler.

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wagnerrp:

but then youre still at the mercy of the hardware video decoders

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JEDIDIAH__:

yeah... that's just so terrible...

[22:24:24]

wagnerrp:

if you want bluray playback, an AMD X3 system is fairly cheap

[22:24:58]

wagnerrp:

you get a mini-itx board with nvidia graphics, processor, memory, small case, power supply... youre looking at maybe $250-$300

[22:25:29]

wagnerrp:

the cheapest youll find a usable nettop is going to be over $200 once you add in everything needed to make it work

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JEDIDIAH__:

If I want bluray playback, it's pretty silly to build your own.

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wagnerrp:

im talking about ripped video, not playback of the actual disk

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wagnerrp:

if you just want to play the disks, buy an $80 standalone player and be done with it

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: I just tried and it played Hulu->Highest Rated Videos Today->"Access Hollywood – Behind The Scenes: Green Day On 'Saturday Night live'"

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JEDIDIAH__:

cheap BD players have the same problems as cheap DVD players, poor features, poor interfaces and no way to enforce consistency across multiple devices bought at different times.

[22:28:20]

JEDIDIAH__:

although the likelihood that a BD player will handle other things that Linux probably won't ever be allowed to is handy (like Netflix)

[22:31:12]

skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: I saw that one in the list, let me go try it

[22:32:04]

Methuselah:

If i was going to do it now, I would just wait a month and get 4 bobcats.

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: Try Hulu search much easiar for testing put the player functionality and in the end has the same links. I searched on "Green Day" and picked the "Saturday Night Live" search result and it played.

[22:32:32]

wagnerrp:

sphery: looks like newegg is carrying the 'e' processors now

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skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: tried browse, saw that one, selected it, the page for the video loaded, the flash player began to load with the gray circle that said "loading" for about 3 seconds, then that message came up again

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skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: Same thing happened when I tried to search

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wagnerrp:

240e (2.8GHz) for $72, 610e (2.4GHz) for $138

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: Which message?

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skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: "Sorry, this video is currently unavailable. We apologize for any inconvenience Note: If this message appears repeatedly, you may need to clear your browser cache and restart your browser"

[22:33:48]

skd5aner:

where is mythbrowser's browser cache?

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RyeBrye:

your browser

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skd5aner:

RyeBrye: uh... no? Where is the cache stored?

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RyeBrye:

" you may need to clear your browser cache and restart your browser"

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RyeBrye:

emphasis on YOUR BROWSER

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: I have no idea where the mythbrowser cache may be. I think that is some generic message. All I can say is I can play those videos.

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skd5aner:

RyeBrye: sorry, still don't follow :P

[22:35:50]

RyeBrye:

the only cache the message is referring to is YOUR BROWSER CACHE

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RyeBrye:

it doesn't mention or allude to any cache on the server

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skd5aner:

right?

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: RyeBrye may be write that flash uses a common cache but I am only guessing. Your browser and Mythbrowser is using the same flash plugin.

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skd5aner:

Could be...

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RyeBrye:

Oh :)

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RyeBrye:

I was thinking mythweb :)

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** RyeBrye laughs **

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skd5aner:

appology accepted ;)

[22:37:36]

RyeBrye:

flash does have common storage area but it's likely not what it's talking about

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skd5aner:

Well, somehow – something is somewhere that is preventing flash from playing back these videos?

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skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: any other theories on how to troubleshoot this?

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skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: I guess I could try and use mythbrowser to navigate to the flash management console and clear the flash cache

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: If you can check the db record in the internetcontentarticles table, you can get the links for the netvision video and try that link in firfox to see if you get the same problem.

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: Alternately run the hulu grabber from a console ".../hulu.py -S "Green Day > results.xml" and copy a link out of the results.xml

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: opps ".../hulu.py -S 'Green Day' > results.xml"

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skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1993897

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: mythfillnetvision – it appears to be "stuck" or something on the last one and hasn't exited for over an hour. Is that normal? http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1993900

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iamlindoro:

Doesn't appear stuck on the last one, it's marked it as updated

[22:54:30]

iamlindoro:

Once it's done with the whole list, it's back to common myth code

[22:54:38]

iamlindoro:

ie, teardown, etc.

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skd5aner:

but should the program exit?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

But I've never seen it hang

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iamlindoro:

Do you have RSS feeds subscribed?

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skd5aner:

that's what I'm seeing, it's just stuck there, hasn't went back to a prompt

[22:55:35]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: I went through the list and selected basically everything there was a script for

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iamlindoro:

That has nothing to do with RSS

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iamlindoro:

I'm asking if you have RSS feeds subscribed

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skd5aner:

ok, I wasn't sure how to answer :(

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skd5aner:

Would I have had to manually enter a specific RSS feed?

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iamlindoro:

MNV handles scripts and rss subscriptions

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iamlindoro:

I'm asking if you have subscribed any

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skd5aner:

I do not believe I have, but I can go and double check... I know I have not manually input any specific RSS feeds myself, I believe everything I leverage is the scripts

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: I went into the "manage RSS subscriptions" in the menu, and there is nothing in the list, just an add button at the bottom

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: not sure if it'll help, but I could probably attach gdb or something to the process... would that help?

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: In that case you should try re-running mythfillnetvision with --refresh-tree

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iamlindoro:

It's possible there's some assumption in there that assumes you will have at least one RSS subscription

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skd5aner:

OK... I'll ctrl-c and rerun with just --refresh-tree and see if it exits properly

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: well, it ran but pretty much instantly said it was complete..

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skd5aner:

2010-11–16 18:01:45.803 mythfillnetvision: Online Source Listing Download Started

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skd5aner:

2010-11–16 18:01:45.836 MythFillNetvision run complete.

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Right, because all of your trees are up to date

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iamlindoro:

Did it close properly?

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skd5aner:

yea, gotcha – figured that might be the case

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skd5aner:

yes, it did

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iamlindoro:

If so, now try with --refresh-rss

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skd5aner:

stopped (currently) on: 2010-11–16 18:02:47.122 mythfillnetvision: Online Source Listing Download Started

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iamlindoro:

ok, and hanging there?

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skd5aner:

yes, hanging there

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: The pastbin you gave me had good out put and the "<link>" data plays for me. Try one of those links in Firefox and one in MythBrowser by adding a link "Information Center->Web".

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Can you please apply this patch, compile myth, recompile MNV, and try again? http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1993912

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skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: ok, give me a few moments

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: if I'm running this on my sbe/fe do I need to apply the patch also to my mbe?

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iamlindoro:

You just need to apply it on whatever system you are running mythfillnetvision on

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skd5aner:

k, stand by

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: to recompile just MNV, can I just go into the MNV source directory and do a make clean?

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iamlindoro:

presuming you've isntalled the new mythtv, yes

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iamlindoro:

make clean, make install

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: ok, patched, compiled and reinstalled

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skd5aner:

still getting it hanging on --refresh-rss

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iamlindoro:

ok, I'll look at it all later

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skd5aner:

ok, np – I can run without that for now, but let me know if you need me to test anything again

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iamlindoro:

yeah, for your situation --refresh-tree is all you need anyway

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skd5aner:

unfortunately, still have the issue with hulu, so I'm going to see if there's anything I can do about that :(

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skd5aner:

I'm doubting mnv is to blame – it's either mythbrowser or flash

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skd5aner:

any idea where cache files are stored for mythbrowser?

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: Did you try one of the links in Firefox from the XML you pastebin yet?

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skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: nope, I was busy working on that applying/testing that patch... I'll go try in a sec

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skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: as a note, I did manage to go in and delete all the flash cookies via the flash manager, that didn't help

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skd5aner:

brb

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: Remeber that is a message posted by Hulu which assumes you are using a common browser. I have seen those myself in Mythbrowser but never as many as you seem to find.

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skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: heh – yea, every video ;)

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner, I just went in and pulled up the first video, worked great

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iamlindoro:

MythBrowser seems fine to me

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iamlindoro:

Just selected the first options until I came to a video, "Access Hollywood – Behind the scenes: Green day on Saturday Night Live"

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: yea, I would just like to know what's wrong on my end?

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iamlindoro:

Hulu dispute with your ISP?

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: thank you for checking

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skd5aner:

Nope, just loaded the same video on my windows desktop

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skd5aner:

let me see if it works in firefox on the same frontend box

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iamlindoro:

Then yes, misconfiguration somewhere.. but I feel that it's safe to rule out Myth

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skd5aner:

sorry – I'm physically running room to room

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