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| [00:03:01] | dustybin: | i see lots of AC3 in my log, but no DTS |
| [00:03:20] | wagnerrp: | are these recordings or DVDs? |
| [00:03:24] | dustybin: | .vobs |
| [00:03:35] | dustybin: | they played in surround perfectly before in mythtv |
| [00:04:44] | dustybin: | maybe my database is corrupted, thats why im missing the DTS / AC3 optiosn |
| [00:05:24] | ** dustybin feels scared ** | |
| [00:06:28] | bjd: | rar, upgrade b0rkage |
| [00:08:44] | dustybin: | time to test a fresh db |
| [00:12:36] | wagnerrp: | did you rescan your audio devices? |
| [00:12:54] | bjd: | yay, fixed |
| [00:13:04] | bjd: | recordings and live tv seem to playback fine |
| [00:15:18] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: i did, i am missing some important options and i dont understand why |
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| [00:16:13] | dustybin: | maybe my alsa configuration settings need to be correct before the DTS / AC3 options will show on the mythtv menu, im unsure.. |
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| [00:17:59] | king_dan: | hey everyone, sorry to ask a really stupid question, but the feature where you could set mythvideo up to play random trailers before a film, has that gone away? |
| [00:18:12] | wagnerrp: | no |
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| [00:19:02] | king_dan: | okay must be me, cant find the settings to configure it, can you point me in the right direction please? |
| [00:21:16] | iamlindoro: | They're in the exact same spot they've always been |
| [00:22:12] | iamlindoro: | Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->Metadata Settings |
| [00:22:14] | wagnerrp: | setup --> media settings --> video settings --> metadata settings |
| [00:22:35] | dustybin: | ive just loaded the frontend on my backend box, those audio options are now visible Dolby Digital DTS this is strange!! |
| [00:23:04] | ** dustybin wipes the theme cache ** | |
| [00:23:07] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: seems like its not detecting you can support passthrough audio |
| [00:23:12] | wagnerrp: | theme cache isnt it |
| [00:23:20] | king_dan: | ah right that kinda explains why i cant find it, when i try and load the metadata settings screen it doesnt go anywhere |
| [00:23:25] | wagnerrp: | that page is dynamically generated, there is nothing to cache |
| [00:23:51] | wagnerrp: | king_dan: perhaps it cant load the plugin because of a version mismatch? |
| [00:24:05] | wagnerrp: | did you update mythtv without updating mythvideo? |
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| [00:25:14] | king_dan: | just loaded the frontend in the terminal, looks like my theme is borked, hence why i cant get into the screen |
| [00:25:59] | iamlindoro: | What theme? |
| [00:27:34] | ** dustybin reads http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digita . . . .2C_Properly ** | |
| [00:27:58] | king_dan: | its blueabstract-wide, i have edited the background image though, so mighta mucked something up. |
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| [00:29:26] | ctmjr: | so restore the theme and see what happens |
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| [00:30:24] | king_dan: | will do. just downloading it now. |
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| [00:31:54] | iamlindoro: | Or just use a theme that is kept up to date |
| [00:31:57] | iamlindoro: | like Arclight |
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| [00:35:34] | king_dan: | iamlindoro: have tried a fresh version of blueabstract – looks like it's the theme. any idea who maintains it so i can submit a patch? |
| [00:36:06] | iamlindoro: | It's not a theme written by the project, you can look at the themeinfo.xml file and see if the author put his e-mail there |
| [00:36:13] | iamlindoro: | we don't provide support for it |
| [00:36:45] | king_dan: | ahh okay, i'll drop him an email. Thanks for your help guys :) |
| [00:36:55] | bjd: | :) |
| [00:43:31] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: right now, the reaper waits a whole 500 microseconds between issuing a TERM and issuing a KILL |
| [00:43:35] | wagnerrp: | seems awfully fast... |
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| [01:12:44] | dustybin: | when i scan for audio devices |
| [01:12:45] | dustybin: | ALSA, Error: No playback configurations available: Invalid argument |
| [01:13:41] | smudgeblot: | Does anyone know info on lirc? I am a noob to mythtv and ubuntu. I have an MCE HID usb remote and via IRW I get the keys pressed (1, 2, up, etc) but when I try to irrecord the keys, I get this error: could not get file from /dev/lirc |
| [01:14:33] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yeah, we may wanna modify that. :) |
| [01:14:34] | ctmjr: | smudgeblot, if irw works why even bother with irrecord |
| [01:14:57] | smudgeblot: | ctmjr: ok, how do I change the keys for mythtv without irrecord? |
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| [01:15:13] | smudgeblot: | aka one key is SHIFT CONTROL T and wont do anything in mythtv |
| [01:15:28] | smudgeblot: | is there a way to reconfigure what mythtv sees from that button? |
| [01:15:34] | Beirdo: | so why use shift control t? |
| [01:15:49] | Beirdo: | lircrc |
| [01:15:53] | smudgeblot: | Beirdo:I don't want to...that's what the key natively does |
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| [01:16:34] | smudgeblot: | Beirdo: I open lircrc and type button = SHIFT + CONTROL + T and config = t but doesn't change it |
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| [01:17:02] | smudgeblot: | Beirdo: inside begin and end with prog = mythtv as well of course |
| [01:17:06] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: im going to change it so it TERMs it, and just remembers that it has done so |
| [01:17:14] | wagnerrp: | if its still running several cycles later, KILL it |
| [01:17:31] | Beirdo: | OK. |
| [01:17:46] | Beirdo: | yeah, give it like 200ms or whatever? |
| [01:17:50] | Beirdo: | sounds decent |
| [01:17:52] | wagnerrp: | several cycles being 500–1000ms |
| [01:17:57] | Beirdo: | K |
| [01:18:21] | wagnerrp: | i was thinking of just bumping the timeout an extra second |
| [01:18:30] | wagnerrp: | so if it hits the timeout a second time, it KILLs it |
| [01:18:53] | wagnerrp: | seems like it would be the easiest solution |
| [01:18:58] | Beirdo: | yeah, that could do it :) |
| [01:19:06] | Beirdo: | better than yet more funky state code |
| [01:19:23] | wagnerrp: | then let the normal waitpid code clean it up |
| [01:19:28] | smudgeblot: | Beirdo: I've read the tutorials on lircrc and still confused how to make the keys switch (i.e. shft+cntrl+t to do something else) |
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| [01:20:39] | dustybin: | scan audio devices basically just reads your .soundrc file in your home directory |
| [01:21:23] | iamlindoro: | no. |
| [01:22:19] | dustybin: | it read mine, because i put a load of garbage in it and it told me my alsa setup was not usable |
| [01:22:58] | wagnerrp: | no, it queries ALSA for the available devices |
| [01:23:00] | iamlindoro: | It issues a request to the ALSA API |
| [01:23:09] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [01:23:18] | wagnerrp: | if it tells you your setup is not usable, its because ALSA told it the setup as not usable |
| [01:23:18] | iamlindoro: | ALSA is the software telling you you're retarded |
| [01:23:28] | wagnerrp: | so your entire audio setup is currently borked |
| [01:23:34] | wagnerrp: | has nothing to do with mythtv |
| [01:23:36] | iamlindoro: | But really, in the end, it's all the same, some piece of software is telling you you're dumb |
| [01:23:50] | bjd: | heh |
| [01:23:55] | ** dustybin feels sad and upset ** | |
| [01:24:14] | ** iamlindoro cradles dustybin gently until he feels better ** | |
| [01:24:32] | Beirdo: | put some random crap into /etc/passwd while you're at it? |
| [01:24:34] | ** iamlindoro gently brushes dustybin's hair back from his eyes and looks meaningfully into them ** | |
| [01:24:38] | ** kormoc worries about iamlindoro at times ** | |
| [01:24:53] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:25:00] | dustybin: | ALSA, Error: No playback configurations available: Invalid argument |
| [01:25:32] | bjd: | wonder what the hell you've done to your alsa setup to screw it that badly |
| [01:25:34] | Beirdo: | ALSA, Error: You have messed up. |
| [01:25:50] | dustybin: | aplay -D hw:0,0 Prelude.wav <-- plays DTS perfectly |
| [01:25:53] | iamlindoro: | Remember, it's ALSA comma error |
| [01:26:03] | iamlindoro: | Alsa is telling you there's an error, but not claiming responsibility |
| [01:26:13] | iamlindoro: | you are the broken one |
| [01:26:37] | dustybin: | im using a USB sound card, maybe thats the problem |
| [01:26:43] | dustybin: | previous versions of mythtv was ok |
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| [01:37:28] | [R]: | looks like i'm gonna upgrade to 0.24 thanksgiving weekend |
| [01:39:29] | smudgeblot: | Anyone know how I can get my remote from /dev/input/event2 to /dev/lirc0 ?? |
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| [01:41:12] | [R]: | what makes you think you need to? |
| [01:41:56] | smudgeblot: | Because I am trying to irrecord and it says it cant find my device in /dev/lirc0 |
| [01:42:21] | smudgeblot: | which prevents me from making a new lirc.conf file (which I need to change .lircrc from my understanding) |
| [01:42:26] | [R]: | you need to use devinput |
| [01:42:30] | [R]: | and tell it wher eto find the device |
| [01:42:41] | kormoc: | you need to configure lircd before you can use irrecord |
| [01:42:48] | smudgeblot: | ok...very new to linux....how do I use devinput? |
| [01:43:01] | [R]: | smudgeblot: its in the lirc documentation |
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| [01:43:05] | [R]: | kormoc_afk: no |
| [01:43:06] | smudgeblot: | irw works (this is a MCE HID remote btw) |
| [01:43:25] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i dont know about you, but it really makes me not want to help people when they 'BZZZZZT!' me... |
| [01:44:26] | smudgeblot: | [R]: I have been looking through documentation for literally hours. if you could please be a little more specific (aka website, etC) that would be a huge help |
| [01:44:29] | Beirdo: | cattle prod? |
| [01:44:41] | [R]: | smudgeblot: i jsut told you... devinput |
| [01:45:06] | smudgeblot: | ok....i will google 'devinput'. I'll see what I can find. Thanks for a starting point at least |
| [01:45:22] | Azelphur: | Is mythtv meant to show .srt.gz files by default or have I messed something up |
| [01:45:38] | wagnerrp: | no, mythtv does not read .srt.gz files |
| [01:46:11] | Azelphur: | fun |
| [01:46:14] | ** wagnerrp suggests Azelphur leave subtitles as embedded bitmaps in future DVD rips ** | |
| [01:46:25] | Azelphur: | embedded bitmaps? |
| [01:46:42] | wagnerrp: | yes, DVDs and digital recordings all use bitmapped subtitles |
| [01:47:00] | Azelphur: | ah |
| [01:47:01] | wagnerrp: | mythtv can handle them directly in the VOBs, or if you extract them and multiplex them into mkvs |
| [01:47:21] | wagnerrp: | mythtv can also read .srt files of the same name as the video |
| [01:47:33] | Azelphur: | ok when I do DVD rips I'll switch to that then |
| [01:47:47] | Azelphur: | up until now I've been dvdripping because storage groups and VIDEO_TS never played well |
| [01:47:49] | wagnerrp: | ill leave it as an exercise to the reader how to convert .srt.gz to .srt |
| [01:48:06] | Azelphur: | why convert? mythtv supports it and .gz is smaller |
| [01:48:26] | Beirdo: | and disk is SO expensive |
| [01:48:28] | wagnerrp: | myth supports gzipped set files? |
| [01:48:32] | Azelphur: | yup |
| [01:48:36] | iamlindoro: | especially the 70–100K for an entire film |
| [01:48:44] | Azelphur: | haha |
| [01:48:51] | iamlindoro: | Why must people make writing software such misery? |
| [01:49:07] | Azelphur: | I ran a subtitle grabber on my entire collection and it had an option to enable compression so I figured might aswell |
| [01:49:12] | iamlindoro: | It's not enough to support a stupid subtitle format, we have to support zipping a miniscule file, and unzipping it at playback time? |
| [01:49:14] | Azelphur: | iamlindoro: did you hear I figured out what caused my screenshot problem? |
| [01:49:19] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [01:49:21] | iamlindoro: | I didn't hear |
| [01:49:32] | Azelphur: | it was caused by the Language setting in Setup > Appearance |
| [01:49:36] | wagnerrp: | Azelphur: any subtitle grabber should have pulled out the idx/sub bitmapped subtitles |
| [01:49:43] | Azelphur: | if I have it set to UK it doesn't show screenshots, if I set it to US it works |
| [01:49:46] | Azelphur: | I think it might be a bug |
| [01:49:46] | wagnerrp: | what you ran was something that pulled out the close captions |
| [01:49:53] | wagnerrp: | or it ran OCR on those bitmapped subtitles |
| [01:49:56] | iamlindoro: | It's not a bug |
| [01:50:10] | Azelphur: | English people just don't get screenshots? :P |
| [01:50:13] | iamlindoro: | It's the fact that your translator didn't bother to translate the "Season" and "episode" string |
| [01:50:18] | wagnerrp: | either way, its either inferior or overly complicated as compared to the bitmapped subtitles |
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| [01:50:22] | Azelphur: | ah |
| [01:50:27] | smudgeblot: | [R]: in my hardware.conf I have Driver="devinput" and device to the remote "/dev/input/event2" but irrecord still won't find it. is that what you are referring to (lirc documentation has nothing on "devinput" when I search the documentation page) |
| [01:50:36] | Azelphur: | iamlindoro: well now we know anyway :) |
| [01:50:47] | [R]: | smudgeblot: hardware.conf is a stupid ubuntu init script config |
| [01:50:54] | [R]: | smudgeblot: nothing to do with running lirc programs manually |
| [01:51:15] | Azelphur: | wagnerrp: yea when I have the option I'll use bitmap from now on |
| [01:51:24] | iamlindoro: | or just use freaking SRTs |
| [01:51:26] | smudgeblot: | [R]: Sorry, I said I'm very new. Where am I suppose to edit this devinput |
| [01:51:30] | iamlindoro: | just don't gzip them |
| [01:51:35] | iamlindoro: | christ |
| [01:51:40] | [R]: | smudgeblot: edit what? |
| [01:51:44] | Azelphur: | iamlindoro: I never did gzip them, I clicked "Go" on subdownloader :) |
| [01:51:57] | iamlindoro: | hkl;asdfgahklsd |
| [01:51:59] | iamlindoro: | So unzip them |
| [01:52:01] | iamlindoro: | then breathe in |
| [01:52:04] | Azelphur: | rofl |
| [01:52:05] | iamlindoro: | then breathe out |
| [01:52:08] | wagnerrp: | or... gunzip them |
| [01:52:12] | iamlindoro: | wouldn't want you to forget them |
| [01:52:20] | Azelphur: | why unzip them when gz works fine |
| [01:52:21] | iamlindoro: | s/them/anything important/ |
| [01:52:29] | Azelphur: | no need to fix what ain't broken (tm) |
| [01:52:30] | wagnerrp: | because you said it didnt work fine |
| [01:52:34] | iamlindoro: | For what does gz work fine? |
| [01:52:40] | JEDIDIAH__: | consider it a fringe benefit of deprecating external players. |
| [01:52:42] | iamlindoro: | if you want to use SRTs in myth, you can |
| [01:52:46] | Azelphur: | wagnerrp: only showing them in mythvideo for some reason I'll just add an ignore filetype |
| [01:52:50] | smudgeblot: | [R]: you said originally (R)u need to use devinput |
| [01:52:52] | smudgeblot: | <R> and tell it wher eto find the device. |
| [01:52:54] | smudgeblot: | Is this a command I type in? |
| [01:52:55] | Azelphur: | iamlindoro: .srt.gz works in myth |
| [01:53:07] | iamlindoro: | no, it doesn't |
| [01:53:11] | wagnerrp: | mythtv should be ignoring unknown filetypes by default |
| [01:53:17] | iamlindoro: | We don't support any dynamic unzipping of subtitles in our player |
| [01:53:24] | JEDIDIAH__: | I would not expect compress media files to work generally, regardless of what's in them. |
| [01:53:34] | Azelphur: | iamlindoro: well, I'm using it right now so unless it's getting subtitles from magical candy land :p |
| [01:53:44] | iamlindoro: | .txt, .srt, and .sub are the three supported external subtitle extensions |
| [01:53:52] | ** iamlindoro is the last person to rewrite that code ** | |
| [01:54:05] | iamlindoro: | and we have *no* unzipping code in the player |
| [01:54:15] | iamlindoro: | so your "magical candy land" is an embedded text sub |
| [01:54:28] | wagnerrp: | Azelphur: did you ever recompress the video? |
| [01:54:44] | wagnerrp: | it could be pulling the VBI closed captions |
| [01:55:14] | Azelphur: | iamlindoro: your right, my bad, some are srt and some are srt.gz, god knows how that worked out |
| [01:55:34] | Azelphur: | I'll run another grab on the subtitles and get em all in a sane format |
| [01:55:39] | iamlindoro: | ugh |
| [01:55:43] | iamlindoro: | JUST RUN GUNZIP |
| [01:55:46] | iamlindoro: | dfasghkl;aghklasdfhklgahklgqdasdghlka |
| [01:55:49] | Azelphur: | haha |
| [01:55:51] | iamlindoro: | gunzip *.gz |
| [01:55:51] | Azelphur: | iamlindoro: that too |
| [01:55:53] | iamlindoro: | the end |
| [01:56:30] | Azelphur: | iamlindoro: gotta do it recursively because there are srt.gz's all over the place, thousands of em |
| [01:56:34] | Azelphur: | but I can handle that |
| [01:57:38] | wagnerrp: | gunzip `find . --type gz` |
| [01:57:51] | wagnerrp: | or something like that |
| [01:59:23] | Azelphur: | I went with find . -name "*.srt.gz" | while read filename; do gunzip "$filename"; done |
| [01:59:35] | Beirdo: | or... |
| [01:59:39] | dustybin: | Azelphur: do you have your mythtv joggler to hand? |
| [01:59:43] | Azelphur: | dustybin: yea |
| [01:59:44] | sphery: | or just use the captions that are already in it |
| [01:59:50] | Beirdo: | find . name \*.srt.gz -exec gunzip {} \; |
| [01:59:52] | sphery: | instead of downloading a copy |
| [01:59:55] | dustybin: | Azelphur: could you flip to general settings > audio settings |
| [01:59:57] | sphery: | which is likely a violation of copyright, anyway |
| [02:00:07] | Azelphur: | dustybin: yea what are you after? |
| [02:00:17] | dustybin: | in the Audio System menu |
| [02:00:20] | dustybin: | what does |
| [02:00:26] | dustybin: | Audio Capabilities say |
| [02:00:29] | dustybin: | just beneath it |
| [02:00:35] | dustybin: | DTS ? |
| [02:00:41] | Azelphur: | just booting it up now :) |
| [02:00:47] | dustybin: | thanks |
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| [02:03:25] | Azelphur: | dustybin: urgh my joggler isn't on 0.24 yet lol, give me a minute and I'll get you it :) |
| [02:03:50] | dustybin: | are you running .23 ? |
| [02:03:55] | smudgeblot: | Anyone know how to deal witht the error "could not get file information from /dev/lirc". my remoteis found n /dev/input/event2 |
| [02:04:04] | Azelphur: | dustybin: on the joggler yea, I upgraded my backend to 0.24 yesterday :) |
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| [02:04:31] | dustybin: | aye ok |
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| [02:12:29] | ctmjr: | smudgeblot, what exactly is your problem |
| [02:20:24] | Saturnation: | ugh, directv.pl is failing and I don't know why. Looking into the specs and parsing the verbose output by hand... :) |
| [02:21:00] | smudgeblot: | ctmjr: I am trying to configure my remote to mythtv. MY remote worked automatically when plugged in. However, some keys are SHIFT+CTRL+"x" and wont work inside mythtv. I tried xmodmap to change the shift key even, but it still shows up in mythtv(even though not in xev). I tried lirc to override, but cant use irrecord to make a lircd.conf file (it cant find the device in /dev/lirc because... |
| [02:21:02] | smudgeblot: | ...it is in /dec/input/event2). irw works. I have been trying to get this to work literally all day :( |
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| [02:22:08] | smudgeblot: | sry...disconnected. |
| [02:22:40] | smudgeblot: | ctmjr: did my message go through to you before I disconnected? |
| [02:23:13] | ctmjr: | yes what remote do you have? |
| [02:23:32] | sphery: | Saturnation: if you're using hd-pvr, you may have to increase the script timeout setting in mythtv |
| [02:23:52] | smudgeblot: | ctmjr: Windows Vista Remote...although in linux it pulls up ortek and on the back it says VRC-1100 as model |
| [02:29:30] | Saturnation: | sphery, where is that? |
| [02:29:38] | ** Saturnation is running 0.24 btw ** | |
| [02:29:39] | sphery: | somewhere in mythtv-setup |
| [02:29:43] | Saturnation: | but it isn't mythtv |
| [02:29:53] | sphery: | and, yeah, this will become a problem in 0.24, but not previous versions |
| [02:30:03] | Saturnation: | just running directv.pl on it own is failing, keep getting an err2 on channel change :( |
| [02:30:07] | sphery: | so starting with 0.24, you have to set it properly |
| [02:30:27] | sphery: | Saturnation: even when run from the command line? |
| [02:30:38] | sphery: | of so, then you'll have to fix that first |
| [02:30:50] | sphery: | otherwise, it may still be related if mythtv is running the script |
| [02:31:02] | Azelphur: | dustybin: it says nothing |
| [02:31:38] | Saturnation: | yeah, an still recording on "SignalMonitor: channel changed failed" |
| [02:31:47] | Azelphur: | dustybin: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/N . . . 80_scrot.png |
| [02:31:52] | Saturnation: | no, it's directv.pl at this point |
| [02:31:57] | ** Saturnation thinks the stb is broken ** | |
| [02:32:19] | sphery: | yeah, the signal monitor's managing external channel change scripts is why you have to set the timeout properly in 0.24 |
| [02:32:34] | sphery: | but get it working from the command-line, first, then add mythtv to the mix |
| [02:32:46] | Saturnation: | it was working earlier today |
| [02:32:53] | Saturnation: | actually recorded a couple of shows |
| [02:32:58] | Saturnation: | then went kaput |
| [02:33:04] | ** Saturnation still blames the stb ** | |
| [02:33:37] | Saturnation: | I have another stb I could try, but it is a DH-20 which I didn't have much success with initial and used the HD-24 instead |
| [02:33:54] | ** wagnerrp has reservations about opening any image with the phrase 'scrot' in it ** | |
| [02:34:01] | ** Saturnation heads off to read the specs... ** | |
| [02:36:10] | dustybin: | Azelphur: right same as mine |
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| [02:36:26] | dustybin: | audio is horrible, this is doing my head in |
| [02:36:47] | Azelphur: | I'll try my audio |
| [02:37:01] | dustybin: | Azelphur: i mean setting up |
| [02:37:04] | dustybin: | my joggler is fine |
| [02:37:04] | Azelphur: | oh |
| [02:37:12] | Azelphur: | I havn't tried 0.24 at all on my joggler yet |
| [02:37:18] | dustybin: | im trying to get a turtle beach audio advantage usb card working |
| [02:37:23] | dustybin: | Azelphur: it works well |
| [02:37:31] | Azelphur: | :) |
| [02:38:44] | Azelphur: | while on the subject of jogglers though, My alarm clock is a success, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/N . . . 80_scrot.png and http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/N . . . 80_scrot.png |
| [02:39:15] | dustybin: | oh nice |
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| [02:39:23] | wagnerrp: | there you go again |
| [02:39:29] | wagnerrp: | posting more images about your 'scrot' |
| [02:39:34] | Azelphur: | haha |
| [02:39:57] | Azelphur: | I really need to make an alias for scrot so it doesn't call all the files scrot, I get so many comments on that :D |
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| [02:41:51] | antihc3: | anyone use an Apple TV as a front end? |
| [02:42:20] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to use an apple tv as a frontend |
| [02:42:34] | Azelphur: | (02:42:22) wagnerrp: you dont want to use an apple <-- fixed |
| [02:42:49] | wagnerrp: | oh? why not? |
| [02:43:22] | Azelphur: | last time I checked they sell ridiculously overpriced hardware with various feeble attempts to vendor lock? |
| [02:43:49] | wagnerrp: | the mac mini makes a pretty nice frontend |
| [02:44:02] | antihc3: | i am currently using OSX 10.6.4 iMac. I have had an Apple TV for a few years now and have not used it since i tryed to change the drive out |
| [02:44:05] | Sp0tter: | expensive and not very versatile |
| [02:44:12] | Azelphur: | lol |
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| [02:44:38] | dustybin: | why the heck doesnt mythtv detect DTS passthrough on my card arghghghggghggg |
| [02:44:40] | Azelphur: | and a atom ion board would be a much cheaper and more versatile frontend, right? :D |
| [02:44:52] | antihc3: | If i was going to buy hardware for a front end then yes i would not go with apple as the price is to much |
| [02:44:55] | wagnerrp: | how would an atom be more versatile? |
| [02:46:17] | Sp0tter: | its a real computer.. you could move it to a bigger case and use it with 6 hard drives as afile server |
| [02:46:20] | Sp0tter: | for instance.. |
| [02:46:32] | wagnerrp: | no, an Atom is a toy |
| [02:46:48] | Sp0tter: | it works great for Myth :) |
| [02:46:54] | wagnerrp: | the mac mini is a real computer, with a real processor, capable of doing worthwhile tasks |
| [02:47:16] | wagnerrp: | the ION units only work for playback, and only when the content is supported by VDPAU |
| [02:47:26] | Sp0tter: | nonsense |
| [02:47:32] | wagnerrp: | truth |
| [02:47:32] | Sp0tter: | i have mine running backend and frontend |
| [02:47:35] | Azelphur: | My joggler with a 1.33ghz atom with hyperthreading seems to perform everyday tasks rather well |
| [02:47:39] | wagnerrp: | awful |
| [02:47:44] | Sp0tter: | it works perfectly |
| [02:47:52] | Sp0tter: | only uses like 12% cpu |
| [02:47:58] | wagnerrp: | you cant do commflagging, you cant do transcoding |
| [02:48:08] | Sp0tter: | sure |
| [02:48:10] | wagnerrp: | database operations, guide downloads, and scheduler runs are all sluggish |
| [02:48:19] | Sp0tter: | it does commflagging, takes about an 1:1 ratio |
| [02:48:27] | Sp0tter: | no they aren't |
| [02:48:31] | wagnerrp: | only on standard definition content |
| [02:48:47] | Sp0tter: | i've been doing it for a week |
| [02:48:49] | Sp0tter: | and it works perfectly |
| [02:49:06] | Sp0tter: | do you actually own an atom+ion? |
| [02:49:10] | Sp0tter: | or are you speaking from speculation |
| [02:49:20] | Sp0tter: | i've owned a mac mini also |
| [02:49:25] | Azelphur: | I have video of my 1.33 hyperthreaded atom acting fine as a mythtv frontend if that interests you :) |
| [02:49:28] | Sp0tter: | great resale value on those things |
| [02:49:36] | wagnerrp: | im speaking on published benchmarks |
| [02:50:00] | Sp0tter: | like i said, i've been using it |
| [02:50:02] | antihc3: | Did not mean to start anything! Was just wondering how it would perform as a frontend |
| [02:50:07] | wagnerrp: | the Atom has about as much power as a late model P4 |
| [02:50:10] | Sp0tter: | and i've recorded maybe 50 shows so far, many if not most in hd |
| [02:50:19] | Sp0tter: | and they are all flagged |
| [02:50:39] | wagnerrp: | antihc3: the ATV runs on a 1GHz Pentium M, and a nvidia 7300 |
| [02:50:52] | wagnerrp: | barely enough power to do HD MPEG2 |
| [02:50:59] | wagnerrp: | not enough memory to run the UI in HD |
| [02:51:00] | Sp0tter: | the tuner has hardware mpeg2 |
| [02:51:11] | wagnerrp: | and no chance for anything mpeg4 |
| [02:51:31] | wagnerrp: | Sp0tter: if you have a hardware mpeg2 tuner, then it only outputs standard definition video |
| [02:51:44] | Azelphur: | also I actually use my netbook more than my XPS M1730 |
| [02:51:47] | Sp0tter: | wagnerrp: what? |
| [02:51:51] | Azelphur: | which also has a shiny little atom in it :) |
| [02:52:50] | wagnerrp: | yes, there are no HD tuners with mpeg2 encoders |
| [02:53:00] | Sp0tter: | i have a hauppauge 1250 |
| [02:53:10] | Sp0tter: | that you recomemnded |
| [02:53:20] | wagnerrp: | that does not do mpeg2 encoding |
| [02:53:44] | Sp0tter: | oh |
| [02:53:57] | Sp0tter: | ok well then even more props to the atom |
| [02:53:58] | Sp0tter: | :) |
| [02:54:10] | wagnerrp: | last i heard, that doesnt even do analog |
| [02:54:24] | wagnerrp: | youre basically copying the video straight from the broadcaster to the hard drive |
| [02:54:33] | Sp0tter: | yea the files are huge |
| [02:54:35] | wagnerrp: | a Pentium 1 could record off a digital tuner |
| [02:54:53] | wagnerrp: | being able to pull that off does not say anything positive about the atom |
| [02:55:18] | Sp0tter: | the atom can play back 1080p movies with only 9% cpu tops in xbmc |
| [02:55:28] | Sp0tter: | atom+ion |
| [02:55:43] | wagnerrp: | no, the ION ca play back compliant h264 content with only 9% cpu |
| [02:55:46] | sphery: | heh, that's not the atom |
| [02:55:51] | sphery: | that's the GPU doing it |
| [02:55:52] | wagnerrp: | if you have options it doesnt like |
| [02:55:58] | wagnerrp: | or level/profile it doesnt like |
| [02:56:03] | Sp0tter: | well it does my comm flagging too |
| [02:56:03] | wagnerrp: | or any sort of stream errors |
| [02:56:06] | wagnerrp: | youre boned |
| [02:56:25] | wagnerrp: | the Atom can manage decoding your HD MPEG2 content at roughly real time using a full core |
| [02:56:29] | Sp0tter: | i've never had a problemw ith it, that said i'm probably going to move the tuner to a quad or 6 core comptuer |
| [02:56:34] | kormoc: | ugh |
| [02:56:36] | Sp0tter: | so i have room to add a 2nd |
| [02:56:39] | wagnerrp: | so if youve got a dual core Atom, youre basically using the other full core for commflagging |
| [02:56:41] | kormoc: | anyone using lirc 0.9? |
| [02:56:59] | wagnerrp: | so it takes the entire thing just to commflag one show in real time |
| [02:56:59] | Sp0tter: | wagnerrp: that sounds reasonable |
| [02:57:17] | wagnerrp: | should you move to something like an HDPVR, it will run at a small fraction of real time |
| [02:57:35] | Sp0tter: | i'm going to get another 1250 |
| [02:57:46] | Sp0tter: | and move the backend to my g/f's quad core |
| [02:57:54] | Sp0tter: | just been lazy lately |
| [02:57:58] | Sp0tter: | and trying to figure out how i want to do the hard drives |
| [02:58:13] | wagnerrp: | an ION makes an acceptable frontend IF you have compliant content |
| [02:58:23] | wagnerrp: | it is highly recommended against for a backend |
| [02:58:31] | Sp0tter: | wagnerrp: i'v ebeen play thousands of moviues and shows downloaded from usenet on the atom |
| [02:58:35] | Sp0tter: | and it never stutters or has nay problem |
| [02:58:39] | Sp0tter: | even before i eneabled vdpau in xbmc |
| [02:58:48] | wagnerrp: | well then this discussion ends here |
| [02:58:55] | wagnerrp: | as we do not support such activities |
| [02:59:05] | Sp0tter: | friendly |
| [02:59:14] | kormoc: | any piracy talk will get you banned |
| [02:59:19] | kormoc: | I thought you said you read the channel rules |
| [02:59:23] | Beirdo: | arrr |
| [02:59:26] | Sp0tter: | kormoc: i never said that |
| [02:59:29] | kormoc: | ... |
| [02:59:30] | wagnerrp: | friendly? youre openly admitting to taking part in illegal acts |
| [02:59:45] | Sp0tter: | there are tons of legal shows and movies to downlaod |
| [02:59:52] | wagnerrp: | not on usenet |
| [02:59:53] | Beirdo: | Sp0tter: enough |
| [03:00:01] | wagnerrp: | and not really anywhere for free |
| [03:00:22] | Sp0tter: | timeshifting... anyways back to the atom, it works fine |
| [03:01:36] | wagnerrp: | when you can get a much more capable Core 2 or Athlon II for practically the same price, theres no purpose to it |
| [03:01:51] | Sp0tter: | i disagree |
| [03:01:58] | Sp0tter: | for a frontend especially, there is nothign you would nee more power for |
| [03:02:04] | kormoc: | sure there is |
| [03:02:08] | dustybin: | IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! |
| [03:02:17] | wagnerrp: | anything that cannot use VDPAU |
| [03:02:19] | Beirdo: | !trout dustybin |
| [03:02:19] | ** MythLogBot slaps dustybin with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [03:02:24] | Sp0tter: | and the atom clocks in at $150 and 40 watts for the entire system |
| [03:02:38] | dustybin: | i was NOT expecting that !!!!! |
| [03:02:46] | wagnerrp: | no, its $150 for the board and processor |
| [03:02:48] | Sp0tter: | what works dustybin ? |
| [03:02:49] | kormoc: | Sp0tter, find me a atom with a dual layer dvd writer for $150 and I'll ditch my second mac mini |
| [03:02:52] | Sp0tter: | wagnerrp: ( ) |
| [03:02:55] | dustybin: | Sp0tter: DTS! |
| [03:02:58] | Sp0tter: | the 40 watts is for the entire system |
| [03:03:01] | wagnerrp: | add in a case, and power, and memory, and... |
| [03:03:07] | kormoc: | my mini is 15 watts for the entire system |
| [03:03:09] | dustybin: | Alsa:iec958:CARD=default,DEV=0 |
| [03:03:12] | Sp0tter: | but because its a standard component, people often have the other omponents on hand |
| [03:03:15] | Sp0tter: | for "free" |
| [03:03:26] | kormoc: | I don't have any other components |
| [03:03:30] | kormoc: | so it's not saving me any money |
| [03:03:31] | dustybin: | this is amazing |
| [03:03:38] | sphery: | and the new mac minis are 10W idle |
| [03:03:39] | Sp0tter: | kormoc: i'm not telling you that atom is better for you |
| [03:03:40] | sphery: | for the whole system |
| [03:03:51] | wagnerrp: | Sp0tter: then the same holds true for a normal system |
| [03:03:51] | kormoc: | Sp0tter, you said you didn't see a reason why it could be |
| [03:04:12] | ** tgm4883 makes comment about atom's being better simply because they don't have an apple on the box ** | |
| [03:04:20] | wagnerrp: | you can get an AM3 board and 2.9GHz Athlon 2 for $150 |
| [03:04:23] | Sp0tter: | tgm4883: :) |
| [03:04:35] | Sp0tter: | wagnerrp: youa bsolutey can, but you don't need anything like that a frontend |
| [03:04:36] | wagnerrp: | as you said, people already have all the other needed parts |
| [03:04:40] | kormoc: | sphery, the 15W is mine running as a MBE/FE average according to my ups's draw monitor |
| [03:04:43] | wagnerrp: | yes, you do |
| [03:04:47] | wagnerrp: | for anything VDPAU cannot handle |
| [03:04:49] | kormoc: | sphery, I was really impressed |
| [03:04:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, I generally get my AM3 board, ~3GHz Athlon II, and 2–4GB RAM for $150 or less |
| [03:04:55] | Sp0tter: | the mini itx atom is a great mix between cost, size, and filling the neeed |
| [03:05:05] | wagnerrp: | because the Atom sure isnt going to handle anything |
| [03:05:06] | sphery: | kormoc: ah, yeah, average would be a bit higher |
| [03:05:31] | Sp0tter: | wagnerrp: i've yet to come across ynthing my atom+ion can't handle |
| [03:05:37] | Sp0tter: | so thats a non issue in my world |
| [03:05:42] | sphery: | kormoc: but yours is the 12W idle version, right? so it stands to reason you'd see a miniscule reduction with the new ones... |
| [03:05:43] | kormoc: | Sp0tter, cost shoots up for a dvd-dl-rw on the atom platforms and most people want them for their frontends (at least dual layer dvd+rws) |
| [03:05:51] | kormoc: | sphery, aye |
| [03:06:03] | kormoc: | Sp0tter, you can't timestretch faster then 2x on your atom |
| [03:06:09] | sphery: | of course, once you're down to Mac Mini kinds of power usage, further optimization is probably wrong--attacking the 5% problem |
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| [03:06:17] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [03:06:21] | sphery: | you likely need to fix the other parts of your system at that point |
| [03:06:36] | Sp0tter: | its worked for me, what you hav may work best for you |
| [03:06:42] | Sp0tter: | can't we just hug and hold hands? |
| [03:07:01] | kormoc: | Sp0tter, just pointing out that there's features myth supports that you can't use with your hardware |
| [03:07:04] | tgm4883: | optical disks? meh, I don't build legacy components into my frontends |
| [03:07:20] | sphery: | FWIW, I was very pleased with the initial info that I've seen on the new Fusion APUs. HardOCP tested a Llano system and it never went over 20W wall draw (kill-a-watt), even when they were pushing it. |
| [03:07:26] | kormoc: | tgm4883, the pile of dvds I want to continue to be able to play kinda makes it non-legacy |
| [03:07:32] | sphery: | granted, it's still not appropriate for a frontend |
| [03:07:47] | sphery: | but that's what the other one is for--Zacate |
| [03:08:06] | tgm4883: | kormoc, no, just means you need to buy a hard disk and start ripping :) |
| [03:08:30] | tgm4883: | my pile of dvd's is in a box in the garage |
| [03:08:45] | Beirdo: | a whole bunch o' wisenheimers here tonight |
| [03:08:48] | kormoc: | tgm4883, so I'll have a stack of dvds next to the tv that I can't play, that makes a load of sense |
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| [03:08:59] | kormoc: | tgm4883, no garage, no closet space for them |
| [03:08:59] | Sp0tter: | tgm4883: i threw all my dvds away |
| [03:09:10] | tgm4883: | Sp0tter, you probably shouldn't have done that |
| [03:09:21] | tgm4883: | Sp0tter, what country are you in? |
| [03:09:30] | kormoc: | tgm4883, don't start down that road |
| [03:09:31] | Sp0tter: | tgm4883: um.. uh.. i mean i recycled them |
| [03:09:50] | tgm4883: | kormoc, good point, I'll go back to upgrading my network to 0.24 |
| [03:10:20] | ** Beirdo goes back to messing with the in-recording seektable building ** | |
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| [03:11:19] | dustybin: | the thing what caught me out – i was expecting to see the DTS tick box to appear, however, you dont always need it to show to make DTS work, just make sure the ALSA=<device> is correct |
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| [03:13:02] | dustybin: | where has the OSD theme menu gone? |
| [03:13:17] | sphery: | dustybin: release notes |
| [03:13:32] | dustybin: | dam whats it doing in the release notes, put it back where it was :D |
| [03:14:25] | Beirdo: | !trout dustybin language |
| [03:14:25] | ** MythLogBot slaps dustybin with a language trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [03:14:27] | sphery: | ok, doesn't really mention it, but there's only one theme for the entire UI since the entire UI is now mythui |
| [03:14:32] | dustybin: | convert OSD to MythUI |
| [03:14:37] | dustybin: | what does that mean? |
| [03:14:44] | sphery: | basically means what I just said |
| [03:14:51] | wagnerrp: | it means the OSD is now included in the MythUI themes |
| [03:14:59] | wagnerrp: | there are no separate OSD themes |
| [03:15:06] | dustybin: | so i need the theme browser!!! |
| [03:15:10] | sphery: | i.e. a single, consistent UI throughout all of MythTV, including playback |
| [03:15:50] | dustybin: | does that mean i cannot choose a different theme for the OSD? |
| [03:16:10] | sphery: | no, it just means you choose it with the theme selector |
| [03:16:24] | dustybin: | the theme selector looks ncie |
| [03:16:25] | dustybin: | nice |
| [03:16:42] | dustybin: | it only selects a whole theme and changes |
| [03:16:43] | sphery: | and it will match both your GUI and OSD themes |
| [03:16:57] | sphery: | right, "there's only one theme for the entire UI since the entire UI is now mythui" |
| [03:21:22] | Sp0tter: | bye :) |
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| [03:23:19] | sphery: | wagnerrp: do you know if we have any kind of page about the cut list editor in the wiki? |
| [03:23:26] | sphery: | or should I create one new? |
| [03:23:36] | wagnerrp: | i have seen one at some point |
| [03:23:46] | sphery: | not finding it with editor... |
| [03:24:00] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Removing_Commercials |
| [03:24:16] | wagnerrp: | it probably needs to be mostly rewritten |
| [03:24:29] | sphery: | also (with the misspelled variant of cut list): http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Creating_a_cutlist |
| [03:25:43] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure a cutlist is really a dyslexic inhabitant of the H.P. Lovecraft universe |
| [03:30:57] | nutron: | Azelphur: what type of setup did yo uhave in that screenshot you posted earlier? ie, environment? and is that conky? |
| [03:32:44] | Azelphur: | nutron, it is indeed conky, and a small tablet device, an O2 joggler |
| [03:33:36] | Azelphur: | nutron, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/Novemb . . . 2_221950.jpg here's a photo |
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| [03:34:29] | nutron: | looks nice, I'm still fighting gnome :/ using ion3, but difficult to get unused to what I've been used to for years |
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| [03:35:48] | Azelphur: | hehe |
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| [03:37:05] | nutron: | man everywhere I go everyone's talking about the perl bindings... I should keep at 'em even if they get clobbered |
| [03:37:21] | nutron: | err talking about how outdated they are |
| [03:37:49] | wagnerrp: | nutron: who said it now? |
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| [03:38:11] | wagnerrp: | sphery: if i have a classmethod that returns a pointer |
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| [03:38:25] | wagnerrp: | would i define it as *MythSystem::Read() or MythSystem::*Read() ? |
| [03:38:26] | nutron: | said what? Oh, the last I saw was you, that at least the perl bindings don't need to be really updated.. here on irc.. at somepoint in the recent past :) |
| [03:38:55] | wagnerrp: | no, i was saying that since the perl bindings dont get updated, the scripts that use them havent really needed to be updated |
| [03:39:08] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to the python bindings |
| [03:39:09] | nutron: | isn't that what I said? :) |
| [03:39:15] | wagnerrp: | as im still doing tweaking |
| [03:39:18] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the former... basically * is near the return type (but on the side of the function name) |
| [03:39:29] | wagnerrp: | ok |
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| [03:43:48] | Twiggy2cents: | wagnerrp, I got hamachi to work. After using the beta linux version, I could connect but it could not tunnel correctly. I spent forever on it. Then today I install it on a diff windows machine and find otu it was the windows version on me netbook. But it works and I can now access mythweb. It kinda sucks that it is only connectible through the program, but its better than nothing. |
| [03:43:55] | Twiggy2cents: | Thank you very much for the suggestion |
| [03:44:24] | CRU_: | Does anyone know how to make my xmodmap configurations stick? I know how to type in and change, (xmodmap -e keycode etc), but every time I restart they are off. Do I need to create a .xmodmap? and if so, how do I create it? |
| [03:45:37] | wagnerrp: | CPU_: once you make all the necessary changes |
| [03:45:42] | wagnerrp: | dump the xmodmap to a file |
| [03:45:50] | wagnerrp: | then you can use xmodmap to reload it when you start x |
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| [03:46:19] | CRU_: | how do I dump it to a file? xmodmap -pke > myfile ? I got errors trying that |
| [03:46:45] | wagnerrp: | i dont remember |
| [03:46:50] | wagnerrp: | should be in the man page |
| [03:47:13] | CRU_: | I'm still new to linux and I've looked at the man page many times but don't understand what is wrong with my code |
| [03:48:55] | CRU_: | wagnerrp: if you could give me any pointer on it or if you could be willing to take a peak at the man to give me a quick idea on it, that'd be so huge. I know I'm suppose to make a .xmodmap but just don't get it. |
| [03:50:42] | wagnerrp: | pke should do it |
| [03:51:19] | Saturnation: | bah, going to blame either the kernel or the cable now, tried the other stb and got the same err :( |
| [03:51:45] | draioch: | wagnerrp: wha you think about this |
| [03:51:54] | draioch: | http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=38 |
| [03:52:02] | draioch: | is that more wha u recommend |
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| [03:54:29] | draioch: | comes with WinTV-PVR-150 |
| [03:54:56] | draioch: | and a guide http://www.mini-itx.com/store/information/min . . . h-how-to.pdf |
| [03:54:57] | wagnerrp: | no, VIAs are awful garbage |
| [03:55:02] | wagnerrp: | worse even than an Atom |
| [03:55:07] | draioch: | thanks reply |
| [03:55:12] | draioch: | wha is VIA |
| [03:55:12] | wagnerrp: | far far worse if you can believe |
| [03:55:43] | wagnerrp: | VIA is a chip manufacturer |
| [03:56:04] | wagnerrp: | they make component chips, chipsets, and low power (and very underperforming) CPUs |
| [03:56:25] | draioch: | like |
| [03:56:27] | draioch: | http://www.via.com.tw/en/index.jsp |
| [03:56:40] | wagnerrp: | that 800MHz EPIA has about as much power as a late 90s early model P3 |
| [03:57:03] | draioch: | fuch the more i think i know the more i dont know |
| [03:58:40] | draioch: | maybe if you have a couple mins i could tell u what i have and what extra would like to get then spec for motherboard or maybe just stick with what i have |
| [03:58:52] | wagnerrp: | shoot |
| [03:59:05] | draioch: | outboard first |
| [03:59:31] | wagnerrp: | outboard? |
| [03:59:35] | draioch: | im an audiophile/musician so being able to record is a big bonus |
| [03:59:41] | draioch: | audioi first |
| [03:59:52] | draioch: | vintage 60s speaker |
| [04:00:04] | draioch: | vintage good amp |
| [04:00:11] | draioch: | RCA connectors gold |
| [04:00:16] | wagnerrp: | you really dont want to be recording on your HTPC |
| [04:00:34] | wagnerrp: | if you care about audio quality, you will want a better environment than your living room |
| [04:00:36] | draioch: | i know what you said but would like to dual boot |
| [04:00:54] | wagnerrp: | and if you dont care about audio quality, then there is no purpose to buying specialty hardware |
| [04:01:02] | draioch: | ive got loads of audio eqip but too lazy too move from open fire |
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| [04:01:14] | draioch: | yea audio quality is important |
| [04:01:35] | draioch: | have a lot of vintage analouge gear and want to integrate it somehow |
| [04:02:07] | wagnerrp: | then youre really outside my area of expertise |
| [04:02:12] | draioch: | would like to dual boot with maybe 3 PCI |
| [04:02:26] | draioch: | 1 for audio card and 2 for tuners |
| [04:02:34] | draioch: | and an HDMI out |
| [04:02:44] | draioch: | and ideally a analouge RCA out |
| [04:02:46] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to dual boot a mythtv backend |
| [04:02:58] | draioch: | or could use sound card |
| [04:03:00] | wagnerrp: | you want your backend always running, and always available to do whatever it wants |
| [04:03:13] | draioch: | so maybe should be better with 2 PCs |
| [04:03:19] | draioch: | one for audio dedicated |
| [04:03:22] | draioch: | one for HTPC |
| [04:03:42] | wagnerrp: | yes, build one for your backend/media server, optionally a combo frontend |
| [04:03:49] | wagnerrp: | build a completely different system for this audio stuff |
| [04:04:02] | draioch: | another thing |
| [04:04:24] | draioch: | i have access in work to a lot of ex-work dell GX 280/290 |
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| [04:04:42] | draioch: | maybe they good enough for myth htpc with pvr-*** |
| [04:04:59] | wagnerrp: | those look like old P4 systems? |
| [04:04:59] | draioch: | brb |
| [04:05:44] | wagnerrp: | if theyre free, and you only intend to do standard definition mpeg2 for now |
| [04:05:46] | wagnerrp: | theyre good enough |
| [04:05:52] | wagnerrp: | but i would never pay for a P4 |
| [04:07:05] | draioch: | you were spot on |
| [04:07:07] | draioch: | http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems . . . .htm#1110653 |
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| [04:08:04] | wagnerrp: | netburst was a failed architecture, and Intel aborted it nearly five years ago |
| [04:08:28] | draioch: | so you reckon they would do the job with PVR-*** and myth |
| [04:08:45] | draioch: | as a good enough for now SD htpc |
| [04:08:52] | wagnerrp: | for standard definition content, they should do fine for now |
| [04:09:01] | draioch: | and maybe i should spent money on a good audio PC or laptop |
| [04:09:19] | wagnerrp: | as a first system, free may actually be preferred |
| [04:09:27] | wagnerrp: | until you get a feel for thing |
| [04:09:27] | wagnerrp: | s |
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| [04:09:39] | wagnerrp: | and figure out what exactly you want the system to be capable of |
| [04:09:53] | draioch: | sounds like sound advice |
| [04:09:59] | draioch: | :) thanks so much |
| [04:10:05] | draioch: | if only i had money |
| [04:10:07] | draioch: | http://www.pcmag.com/shop/product/asus-nx90jq-a1/759773260 |
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| [04:11:15] | wagnerrp: | well thats confusing |
| [04:12:09] | wagnerrp: | a dual channel chip with three memory slots? |
| [04:12:39] | draioch: | brb wine |
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| [04:18:08] | draioch: | are u sure that ion with on board GPU is no good for linux myth |
| [04:18:11] | draioch: | http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=iHWm73R . . . p;templete=2 |
| [04:18:21] | draioch: | i thought i found the one |
| [04:18:34] | wagnerrp: | the nvidia chip on ION systems works great for video playback and mythtv |
| [04:18:43] | wagnerrp: | IF it supports the content youre trying to use |
| [04:19:09] | wagnerrp: | but the Atom processor does not have sufficient power to fall back on if VDPAU doesnt work for the content |
| [04:19:22] | tgm4883: | I'm trying to schedule a college football game using a custom recording schedule. In my upcoming recordings, it says it will be recorded later. I'd like it always to record the first recording of it. I think it should with this http://pastebin.com/3bneC7dp |
| [04:19:42] | draioch: | i really like the 24bit-192KHz audio convertors |
| [04:19:45] | tgm4883: | but it's not, still says later |
| [04:20:01] | draioch: | and the Home Theater Gate |
| [04:20:05] | wagnerrp: | draioch: the Atom processor is slower than those P4s i wouldnt pay for |
| [04:20:30] | draioch: | ok |
| [04:21:08] | draioch: | are there any links so i can research more on what best suits me needs |
| [04:21:13] | wagnerrp: | and regardless of any marketing fluff, you will not get anything like quality analog audio out of any onboard sound hardware |
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| [04:21:28] | draioch: | ur right on that |
| [04:21:31] | draioch: | as well |
| [04:21:32] | wagnerrp: | they may have 24-bit 192kHz ADCs |
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| [04:21:39] | wagnerrp: | but the accuracy will be horrible |
| [04:21:45] | wagnerrp: | as will the noise floor |
| [04:21:46] | draioch: | agree |
| [04:22:19] | draioch: | what audio interface u use then |
| [04:22:36] | wagnerrp: | digital is preferred |
| [04:22:55] | wagnerrp: | with digital, audio quality is irrelevant |
| [04:23:11] | draioch: | well maybe not for me |
| [04:23:12] | wagnerrp: | on one of my systems which cant do digital audio, ive got an audigy 2 zs for output |
| [04:23:37] | draioch: | optimal for me is 24bit/96 |
| [04:23:42] | draioch: | KHz |
| [04:23:56] | wagnerrp: | with digital audio, there is no loss |
| [04:24:12] | wagnerrp: | there is no issue with noisy converters, or lack of isolation |
| [04:24:23] | wagnerrp: | so cheap onboard chipsets work just fine |
| [04:24:31] | draioch: | http://www.creative.com/soundblaster/ |
| [04:24:34] | draioch: | that one ? |
| [04:25:09] | wagnerrp: | probably |
| [04:25:14] | wagnerrp: | its an old card |
| [04:25:18] | wagnerrp: | bought it maybe in 2004 |
| [04:25:59] | draioch: | best audio card out there for me is prob RME |
| [04:26:06] | draioch: | but expensive |
| [04:26:28] | draioch: | my prob is i want one box to do everything and that prob impossible |
| [04:26:42] | draioch: | but want to try |
| [04:27:08] | draioch: | been researching for years for audio PC and a year for linux myth PC |
| [04:27:35] | draioch: | want to nail it soon |
| [04:28:43] | wagnerrp: | funny thing about building one product to do everything |
| [04:28:45] | draioch: | meantime i use just a dell mini10 a VGA convertor USB and a korg hardisc recorder for all me audio recordings |
| [04:28:47] | wagnerrp: | it ends up doing nothing well |
| [04:29:13] | draioch: | its not often your wrong but your right again |
| [04:29:16] | draioch: | !! |
| [04:30:29] | draioch: | brb wine |
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| [04:38:23] | draioch: | heads a bit melted with all this thanks again for ur help wagnerrp much appreciated need to chill for a while......and research more.........and drink less |
| [04:38:35] | draioch: | oiche maith |
| [04:38:41] | draioch: | goodnight from ireland |
| [04:38:45] | draioch: | :) |
| [04:39:03] | wagnerrp: | ireland? late night... |
| [04:39:31] | draioch: | yep and its gonna get later |
| [04:39:45] | draioch: | and i dont even have a full moon excuse tonight |
| [04:39:53] | draioch: | owwwwwwwhhhhhhhhlllllllllllll |
| [04:42:17] | draioch: | been drinking this shit http://kasaprekogh.com/cms/our-brands/alomo-bitters.html got from the asian food store |
| [04:42:42] | draioch: | 42% fuchin per cent vol ethyl alcohol in herbal tincture |
| [04:43:15] | draioch: | die with a healthy body except for ur kidneys and liver |
| [04:44:29] | wagnerrp: | please watch the language in this channel |
| [04:44:58] | draioch: | what the prob with the language |
| [04:45:24] | wagnerrp: | no swearing |
| [04:45:37] | draioch: | ok (fuchin) |
| [04:45:41] | draioch: | sorry |
| [04:45:45] | wagnerrp: | or 'shit' |
| [04:45:46] | draioch: | apologies |
| [04:45:50] | draioch: | bye |
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| [04:47:28] | wagnerrp: | sphery: not going to add images? |
| [04:50:04] | sphery: | not now |
| [04:50:07] | sphery: | maybe one of these days |
| [04:50:13] | sphery: | I figured images could go in the other one |
| [04:50:22] | sphery: | I think I've got it sufficiently long that no one will read it, now |
| [04:50:26] | sphery: | so my work is probably done |
| [04:50:56] | wagnerrp: | hehe |
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| [04:51:26] | sphery: | funny thing is--in spite of all the words--all the different things you can do are quite simple |
| [04:51:35] | sphery: | it's just that explaining them takes a lot of words |
| [04:51:37] | wagnerrp: | in a c++ constructor, when youve got something like ProgramInfo::ProgramInfo(void) : title(), subtitle().... {} |
| [04:51:44] | wagnerrp: | what is that called, the stuff after the colon? |
| [04:52:20] | sphery: | it's the initializer |
| [04:52:29] | sphery: | where you can initialize field values |
| [04:53:58] | sphery: | think the technical name for it is "initialization list" |
| [04:55:58] | wagnerrp: | ah, thanks |
| [04:56:34] | CRU_: | Hey, my mc2xml program no longer works. Any idea why? when I try to use it it says mc2xml: command not found |
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| [04:57:06] | wagnerrp: | it means.... dont use that program because you dont have the right to the information it provides |
| [04:57:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, should I just leave the page "Creating a cutlist" even though it should be cut list? |
| [04:58:04] | sphery: | moving/renaming wiki pages is a pain, right? |
| [04:58:09] | kormoc: | CRU_, that program violates the terms of service for multiple services and companies. We do not condone the theft of service and won't support it here |
| [04:58:16] | wagnerrp: | sphery: not a pain at all |
| [04:58:28] | sphery: | how is it done? |
| [04:58:41] | wagnerrp: | see the 'move' tab at the top of the page? |
| [04:58:43] | CRU_: | oh, I didn't know that. I'm new to mythtv and just saw it when I was searching for things. |
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| [04:58:49] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, wow |
| [04:59:13] | sphery: | capitals for cut list or not (Creating a Cut List)? |
| [04:59:26] | wagnerrp: | either |
| [04:59:36] | wagnerrp: | i think that page should get put in the user manual TOC |
| [05:00:49] | sphery: | how do you find what pages link to a given page? |
| [05:01:01] | wagnerrp: | left side, 'what links here' |
| [05:01:11] | sphery: | wow |
| [05:02:56] | wagnerrp: | bah... trogod |
| [05:03:18] | sphery: | ? |
| [05:03:38] | wagnerrp: | hes linking to the old page |
| [05:04:00] | wagnerrp: | and i dislike him in general |
| [05:04:05] | sphery: | which old page? |
| [05:04:14] | wagnerrp: | the cutlist page |
| [05:04:23] | sphery: | oh, he did the mythtranscode page? |
| [05:04:27] | sphery: | that was the only one I saw... |
| [05:04:49] | wagnerrp: | no, his user page is linking to the 'creating a cutlist' page |
| [05:04:54] | wagnerrp: | the old version |
| [05:05:00] | sphery: | oh, yeah, I didn't realize that was oen |
| [05:05:09] | sphery: | do I edit user pages? |
| [05:05:10] | wagnerrp: | but in general, i dislike him as a user |
| [05:05:19] | sphery: | it will redirect, so it's not that big a deal |
| [05:05:44] | wagnerrp: | he follows the 'wikis are a blog for a stream of my inane consciousness' style of writing |
| [05:05:48] | sphery: | I'm not changing a user page |
| [05:05:56] | sphery: | heh, yeah, loks that way |
| [05:06:02] | sphery: | so what should I do about http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Removing_Commercials |
| [05:06:09] | sphery: | don't feel like trying to do the screen caps, etc. |
| [05:06:30] | sphery: | some of it shouldn't be there (invert cut list--when do you /ever/ need that other than for the super bowl?) |
| [05:06:36] | sphery: | other parts need updating |
| [05:06:41] | sphery: | and the images are all wrong, now |
| [05:06:59] | sphery: | I think I'll simplify and link back to the other page I did |
| [05:07:06] | sphery: | and can later update it with more |
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| [05:09:05] | Beirdo: | oy. |
| [05:09:07] | sphery: | someone had a strange sense of capitalization in the Removing Commercials page |
| [05:09:12] | Beirdo: | I wanna break something |
| [05:09:16] | sphery: | This is because MythTV does not actually cut the Recording. |
| [05:09:18] | sphery: | ? |
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| [05:09:48] | Beirdo: | oh just the stupid seektables continually handing my butt to me on a platter |
| [05:10:09] | Beirdo: | I think I may have the fix... but I can't test until 11 |
| [05:10:24] | Beirdo: | so I will go raid the kitchen |
| [05:10:31] | wagnerrp: | is there any way to make an internal wiki link to an edit page? |
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| [05:13:58] | sphery: | no idea |
| [05:14:00] | sphery: | what for? |
| [05:16:04] | wagnerrp: | making an edit link without the funky arrow-out-of-box symbol |
| [05:20:03] | sphery: | I'm starting to think this whole section of Removing Commercials should just link to the other page |
| [05:20:20] | sphery: | and that I should have totally renamed Creating_a_cutlist to Editing Recordings |
| [05:30:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: thanks for cleaning up my mess if it was you |
| [05:31:15] | sphery: | yeah, it was--thanks |
| [05:31:34] | ** wagnerrp would like to just delete that whole trogod page ** | |
| [05:33:54] | sphery: | hmmm... should I have made a note of all the images that were in the section I cut? |
| [05:34:12] | wagnerrp: | no, theres a page of unused files |
| [05:34:18] | sphery: | cool |
| [05:34:36] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Special:UnusedFiles |
| [05:34:51] | sphery: | isn't that special |
| [05:35:06] | sphery: | heh, Myxer |
| [05:35:21] | sphery: | cool, Mythcenter.jpg is also dead |
| [05:35:40] | wagnerrp: | that was Carvey, not Meyer |
| [05:35:54] | sphery: | heh |
| [05:36:22] | sphery: | ok, now for tv |
| [05:36:44] | sphery: | since I wasn't really planning on doing any real work and I ended up spending way longer on this than intended. |
| [05:36:56] | wagnerrp: | now, back to finishing up these constuctors and trying to debug this code |
| [05:37:24] | sphery: | like 2hr 15min |
| [05:37:40] | sphery: | good luck with your work |
| [05:37:47] | wagnerrp: | is there any way to 'fail' a constructor? |
| [05:37:53] | sphery: | thanks, again, for cleaning up the mess I made when trying to do mine |
| [05:38:13] | sphery: | IMHO, no good way |
| [05:38:22] | sphery: | others' opinions differ |
| [05:38:38] | Beirdo: | some people like abort() |
| [05:38:39] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:38:44] | sphery: | heh |
| [05:38:45] | Beirdo: | kaBOOOM! |
| [05:38:51] | sphery: | that will fail it... |
| [05:39:10] | sphery: | but we might have to fail whale wagnerrp if he does it that way |
| [05:39:24] | Beirdo: | granted :) |
| [05:39:39] | wagnerrp: | i still cant believe that... |
| [05:39:43] | wagnerrp: | seriously... |
| [05:39:54] | Beirdo: | we need a recording of a whale for when the frontend crashes |
| [05:39:56] | wagnerrp: | im using perl, so im going to call the mysql application to query the database |
| [05:39:56] | [R]: | wagnerrp: can't you throw an excpetion/ |
| [05:40:34] | wagnerrp: | c++ doesnt really have a concept of exceptions |
| [05:40:51] | [R]: | i thought it did |
| [05:41:19] | Beirdo: | even what it has, we don't use |
| [05:41:52] | ** Beirdo impatiently waits for his recordings to end ** | |
| [05:42:22] | Beirdo: | CSI: NY and The Good Guys right now |
| [05:42:32] | Beirdo: | then Blue Bloods, then The League |
| [05:44:36] | sphery: | I think if I could undo all the bulb time from when I paused my tv show to do something quick on MythTV that ended up taking a couple of hours, I'd only have half the time on the bulb that I do now. |
| [05:44:48] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
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| [05:47:45] | CRU_: | How would I automatically run a script I created for xmodmap? is there a guide somewhere for this? |
| [05:48:57] | wagnerrp: | add it to your .xinitrc |
| [05:49:40] | wagnerrp: | which gets run when you run 'startx' |
| [05:49:50] | wagnerrp: | but not when using something like XDM or GDM |
| [05:50:09] | CRU_: | I'm in mythbuntu... |
| [05:50:32] | [R]: | haha |
| [05:50:36] | [R]: | that's what she said |
| [05:50:53] | ** Beirdo smacks [R] with a frozen fish ** | |
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| [05:51:03] | [R]: | i went to joes crab shack for dinner |
| [05:51:15] | [R]: | almost had fish... but i hate fish... so i got shrimp |
| [05:51:30] | [R]: | Beirdo: is it van de camps? do you remember those commercials? |
| [05:51:30] | Beirdo: | nah, you got crabs |
| [05:51:37] | Beirdo: | that's what she said |
| [05:51:45] | kormoc: | I almost cut my leg off but I remembered I like walking |
| [05:51:47] | [R]: | Beirdo: it was this guys birthday... and they made him say "my waitress gave me crabs |
| [05:51:47] | wagnerrp: | you didnt have the free crab? |
| [05:51:57] | sphery: | wow, I never knew you could shoot a bullet into the tail pipe of a car in just the right way so that the next time someone turns the ignition, the car blows up |
| [05:52:08] | [R]: | sphery: is that mythbusters? |
| [05:52:10] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [05:52:10] | Beirdo: | sphery: only on tv |
| [05:52:12] | sphery: | amazing what you can learn on smallville |
| [05:52:17] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [05:52:24] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [05:52:51] | [R]: | how many times in one year is jimmy wales going to appeal to people? |
| [05:53:04] | sphery: | I will admit that there's some unusual little red lights on opposite sides of the bullet, so maybe there's more to it |
| [05:53:14] | wagnerrp: | 583 more times by the end of the year |
| [05:53:30] | Beirdo: | [R]: how many hours in a year? |
| [05:53:36] | [R]: | haha |
| [05:53:36] | wagnerrp: | who shot this magic bullet? |
| [05:53:52] | sphery: | good question |
| [05:54:08] | sphery: | must be Deadshot (based on cast list) |
| [05:54:25] | wagnerrp: | isnt deadshot the guy from daredevil? |
| [05:54:40] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadshot |
| [05:54:48] | sphery: | seems he's big in batman |
| [05:55:03] | sphery: | he's much more cowbow in smallville |
| [05:55:17] | sphery: | er, cowboy |
| [05:55:23] | sphery: | no bows--not even bow ties |
| [05:55:50] | Beirdo: | don't forget to donate. pffft |
| [05:56:25] | [R]: | jimmy wales kinda looks like john travolta i think... |
| [05:56:42] | [R]: | btw... what professional person uses the name jimmy |
| [05:56:48] | Beirdo: | if John Travolta got hit on the side of the head with a shovel |
| [05:57:10] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [05:57:16] | kormoc: | a rich person? |
| [05:57:37] | [R]: | well if he were rich... than he'd be called james |
| [05:57:45] | [R]: | james wales the 3rd |
| [05:57:55] | [R]: | see... much more snoody sounding |
| [06:02:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: not a magic bullet--just a bullet "lodged perfectly in the combustion chamber". Obviously just a good shot |
| [06:03:18] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [06:03:29] | kormoc: | bouncy bouncy |
| [06:03:40] | Beirdo: | like it'd make it through the muffler and catalytic converter |
| [06:04:03] | kormoc: | it's a bullet, it'll fly though anything! |
| [06:04:08] | Beirdo: | oh right |
| [06:04:16] | Beirdo: | and turn sharp corners |
| [06:04:18] | Beirdo: | I forgot |
| [06:04:46] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, they showed the bullet's eye view as it traveled around curves in the exhaust system to get there |
| [06:05:05] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:05:10] | kormoc: | they really went out of their way to make it absurd didn't they? |
| [06:05:20] | sphery: | yeah |
| [06:05:31] | sphery: | this is not one of their best |
| [06:05:42] | Beirdo: | easier to use a 50-cal on the block directly and punch big holes in it |
| [06:05:56] | sphery: | and to think, this show is going to surpass SG-1 in longevity this year |
| [06:06:02] | wagnerrp: | sphery: a bullet 'lodged perfectly in the combustion chamber' would just rattle around |
| [06:06:18] | wagnerrp: | at worst, it would get caught in something and jam the linkages |
| [06:06:20] | Beirdo: | not if it were explosive :) |
| [06:06:27] | sphery: | it's plain old lead |
| [06:06:31] | Beirdo: | I know |
| [06:06:34] | sphery: | with the name Cat Grant on it! |
| [06:06:43] | sphery: | (next one says Clark Kent) |
| [06:07:00] | Beirdo: | lame |
| [06:07:02] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: gasoline is /far/ more energetic than high explosives |
| [06:07:02] | kormoc: | nah, it was a depleted uranium bullet that went critical after it got covered in gasoline |
| [06:07:21] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yeah, but try explaining that to TV fools |
| [06:07:24] | sphery: | ah, yeah, gasoline as both a neutron source and moderator |
| [06:07:33] | sphery: | common design for nuclear explosives :) |
| [06:08:00] | wagnerrp: | source AND moderator eh? |
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| [06:37:18] | wagnerrp: | 23" touchscreen on woot, 2GHz Core2, 4GB, nvidia graphics, $780 |
| [06:37:29] | wagnerrp: | might be interesting for a kitchen-puter |
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| [06:41:04] | kormoc: | okay, that's really tempting |
| [06:41:15] | kormoc: | mac mini or woot pc.... |
| [06:42:52] | wagnerrp: | also has a 640GB hard drive and tuner of some sort |
| [06:42:59] | wagnerrp: | tuner's probably not usable in linux |
| [06:44:16] | kormoc: | AVerMedia NTSC/ATSC A327 |
| [06:44:35] | sphery: | if they were making the 23" with the Athlon II e-series, I might consider it |
| [06:45:40] | sphery: | the 20" is the only one that has the amd chips, and it's a 2.8GHz 240e or, optionally, higher proc |
| [06:45:44] | sphery: | http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/se . . . p_touchsmart |
| [06:46:05] | sphery: | though it looks like that one is at least $200 less than retail |
| [06:46:45] | sphery: | possibly more--depending on upgrades |
| [06:47:03] | sphery: | (it's the 600t) |
| [06:48:08] | sphery: | I guess the problem with the amd cpus would be the lack of nvidia, though... |
| [06:48:49] | kormoc: | it's increadably tempting |
| [06:49:35] | sphery: | yeah, I've been thinking of getting a kitchen computer for a myth box/recipe thing |
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| [06:49:53] | sphery: | but that's more than I was planning to spend (but nicer than I planned, too) |
| [06:50:07] | Beirdo: | too big |
| [06:50:13] | wagnerrp: | not a 600t, slightly better memory and processor |
| [06:50:18] | Beirdo: | (cue [R]) |
| [06:50:30] | sphery: | wagnerrp: it's a 600t possibly with upgrades |
| [06:50:49] | sphery: | the 600xt has core i5 and the 600 quad has core i7 |
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| [06:50:57] | kormoc: | I've been wanting to get one for the bedroom |
| [06:50:57] | Beirdo: | 10 minutes before I can test my latest hack... waiting for recordings to end. bleh |
| [06:51:08] | kormoc: | I have a 23" tv and was thinking mac mini |
| [06:51:15] | sphery: | 600t is the series--the 1047 is the model within |
| [06:51:15] | kormoc: | but that's the same price and has a display.... |
| [06:51:31] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: touchscreen no less |
| [06:51:34] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [06:51:43] | Beirdo: | for the kitchen I'd want 17" or so touchscreen, personally |
| [06:51:46] | sphery: | heh, yeah, so you could write touchscreen support into mythui :) |
| [06:51:54] | Beirdo: | I'd like to have some actual counter space :) |
| [06:51:57] | ** kormoc shifty eyes ** | |
| [06:52:19] | wagnerrp: | sphery: we have touchscreen (mouse) support |
| [06:52:28] | wagnerrp: | we just have very flaky gesture support |
| [06:52:30] | sphery: | yeah, fitting a 23" (and appropriate keep-food-away distance) in the kitchen--and still having space to cook--would be a challenge |
| [06:52:39] | kormoc: | wall mount |
| [06:52:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, I see it as useless at this point |
| [06:52:53] | Beirdo: | ceiling mount :) |
| [06:53:11] | sphery: | yeah, could do wall mount where the kitchen table goes |
| [06:53:21] | sphery: | (beyond the cabinets, etc.) |
| [06:53:51] | sphery: | I'm thinking, though, touchscreen wouldn't be that useful to me for a kitchen computer |
| [06:54:06] | sphery: | considering my hands are often wet/food-y in the kitchen |
| [06:54:15] | sphery: | and that's a good part of the cost of that system |
| [06:54:18] | wagnerrp: | looks like its got a full x16 slot for graphics |
| [06:54:34] | sphery: | full-sized? |
| [06:54:34] | wagnerrp: | and its a socketed processor, so you could probably upgrade it if desired |
| [06:54:45] | Beirdo: | sphery: you'd rather have a keyboard? |
| [06:54:46] | sphery: | or integrated graphics using an x16 connection? |
| [06:54:52] | sphery: | Beirdo: no, a remote :) |
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| [06:55:05] | wagnerrp: | says 1 PCIe (x16) slot |
| [06:55:07] | sphery: | and cheap mouse |
| [06:55:21] | kormoc: | wrap the remote in cling wrap and replace as needed! |
| [06:55:47] | kormoc: | or wrap the screen in cling wrap and replace as needed |
| [06:56:01] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:56:06] | kormoc: | heh |
| [06:56:15] | Beirdo: | I guess you can get a sealed keyboard that rolls up, etc. |
| [06:56:20] | sphery: | HP site says for Graphics card, "Choices: Integrated graphics – Intel(R) HD"... so this is a different model than you can buy today |
| [06:56:22] | kormoc: | and yesterday I said to myself, Rob you need top stop spending so much money, save some up |
| [06:56:47] | kormoc: | and now I'm tempted to blow my budget again this week... |
| [06:56:59] | Beirdo: | I'll pass this time :) |
| [06:57:12] | sphery: | heh, between the 2 cling-wrap solutions, I think my TV-viewing would be better with a remote wrapped up |
| [06:57:32] | ** wagnerrp apologizes for causing all this unneeded expenditure ** | |
| [06:57:48] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure I won't get it |
| [06:57:53] | sphery: | because I'm a cheapskate |
| [06:58:06] | sphery: | but it's getting me thinking about the kitchen computer, again |
| [06:58:21] | kormoc: | I like how 9% of the wooters bought three |
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| [06:58:58] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: you realize that probably means one person, right? |
| [06:59:07] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:00:11] | Beirdo: | ooooh. 11. |
| [07:00:42] | Beirdo: | crap. have to wait for 11:04 |
| [07:00:44] | Beirdo: | blah |
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| [07:03:27] | wagnerrp: | yeah, only 14 purchases so far |
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| [07:20:46] | wagnerrp: | can classes not be prototyped? |
| [07:22:04] | Beirdo: | you can predefine |
| [07:22:15] | Beirdo: | just like "class blah;" |
| [07:22:21] | wagnerrp: | no, i was just doing it wrong |
| [07:22:51] | wagnerrp: | cant mark parent classes ahead of time |
| [07:22:58] | wagnerrp: | and what is MPUBLIC? |
| [07:23:04] | Beirdo: | usually only done if class blah is required by class buh, which is a member of class blah' |
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| [07:23:13] | Beirdo: | makes it public |
| [07:23:28] | Beirdo: | for the symbol visibility stuff |
| [07:23:30] | wagnerrp: | ah, just a visibility define |
| [07:23:39] | wagnerrp: | yeah, didnt like MPUBLIC either |
| [07:24:08] | wagnerrp: | yeah, needed for the 'friend' stuff |
| [07:26:43] | wagnerrp: | would that cause weird scope issues? |
| [07:27:08] | wagnerrp: | the reaper is defined as a global within the scope of that file |
| [07:27:25] | wagnerrp: | and im using it in MythSystem::Run |
| [07:27:32] | wagnerrp: | but its complaining that its never being used |
| [07:28:47] | wagnerrp: | ive also got an unclosed brace somewhere |
| [07:30:33] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:30:41] | Beirdo: | probably wanna fix the brace first |
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| [07:34:40] | wagnerrp: | bad preprocessor macro |
| [07:35:58] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:36:05] | Beirdo: | those can screw ya |
| [07:39:35] | CRU_: | Noob Question: How do I get MythTv as an icon on the desktop. I create a Launcher but can't find the executable for it |
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| [08:38:59] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/mythsystem.tar.bz2 |
| [08:39:09] | wagnerrp: | its just the two mythsystem.* files |
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| [08:39:56] | wagnerrp: | im satisfied at where ive got it |
| [08:40:19] | wagnerrp: | but there are some comments on places that i may have caused problems or otherwise leaked stuff |
| [08:40:41] | wagnerrp: | there are also two compile errors remaining and i have no idea what to do with either |
| [08:41:29] | wagnerrp: | there is a myth_system function, but no _wait or _abort needed for the channel changer |
| [08:52:36] | CRU_: | My system keeps crashing now out of the blue. How do I pull up the file to see the error of what's going on? |
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| [10:09:56] | dustybin: | good read: http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=10 |
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| [11:54:57] | mellery: | hello, i've lost audio during playback and livetv after updating from 0.23 to 0.24, I've tried switching to master from pcm but that didnt make any difference. could anyone suggest what else to try? thanks |
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| [12:00:38] | mellery: | switching from alsa:default to /dev/dsp and now have sounds, but something is still not quite right |
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| [13:35:33] | Saturnation: | gah, how would I specify a wildcard in a select statement? |
| [13:36:27] | Saturnation: | n/m, trail and error worked :) |
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| [13:40:54] | bjd: | :) |
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| [14:25:39] | Saturnation: | What's the best way to add channels? I have Sunday Ticket w/DirecTV, but the set up never added them... :( |
| [14:27:12] | dustybin: | is it possible to run mythweb on another box but still view your video collection? |
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| [14:42:26] | Saturnation: | dustybin, probably not |
| [14:42:40] | Saturnation: | recorded, yeah, video, not so much I'd imagine |
| [14:42:53] | dustybin: | nope i dont think so, ill just have to mount the video dir via NFS |
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| [14:57:32] | thefRont: | hey there |
| [14:57:55] | thefRont: | it looks like I have a problem with mythfilldatabase when it comes to calling the xmltv grabber |
| [14:58:12] | thefRont: | I'm running mythfilldatabase as a cronjob once a day and the logs says |
| [14:58:14] | thefRont: | 2010-11–12 23:00:04.631 Updating source #1 (DVB-T) with grabber tv_grab_de_tvmovie_clickfinder |
| [14:58:14] | thefRont: | 2010-11–12 23:00:04.631 Found 22 channels for source 1 which use grabber |
| [14:58:14] | thefRont: | 2010-11–12 23:00:04.633 Failed to run tv_grab_de_tvmovie_clickfinder --capabilities |
| [14:58:14] | thefRont: | 2010-11–12 23:00:04.633 Grabbing XMLTV data using tv_grab_de_tvmovie_clickfinder is not supported. You may need to upgrade to the latest version of XMLTV. |
| [14:58:15] | thefRont: | 2010-11–12 23:00:04.634 Data fetching complete. |
| [14:59:03] | thefRont: | but when I run mythfilldatabase manually the log looks like this: |
| [14:59:05] | thefRont: | 2010-11–13 15:58:28.659 Found 22 channels for source 1 which use grabber |
| [14:59:05] | thefRont: | 2010-11–13 15:58:29.106 Grabber has capabilities: baseline manualconfig apiconfig preferredmethod |
| [14:59:05] | thefRont: | 2010-11–13 15:58:29.446 Grabber prefers method: allatonce |
| [14:59:22] | thefRont: | yadda yadda until it says Data fetching complete. |
| [15:00:22] | thefRont: | mythfilldatabase is always run as root |
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| [15:01:24] | thefRont: | anyone has a clue why mythfilldatabase has problems calling the xmltv grabber when run as a cronjob? |
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| [15:06:23] | Saturnation: | thefRont, off the top of my head, looks like a permissions issue? |
| [15:06:50] | Saturnation: | just read the last line :) |
| [15:06:52] | Saturnation: | or not |
| [15:06:59] | GlemSom: | thefRont, Maybe the scripts isn't in $PATH ? remember, cron does not have the same environment... |
| [15:07:14] | antihc3: | anyone got experance booting ATV from ATV-bootloader and installing mythbuntu. I have booted my atv, mounted the cd and set kexec. After running kexec -e it just sits there |
| [15:08:08] | Saturnation: | GlemSom, but it looks like it is running |
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| [15:08:34] | Saturnation: | thefRont, perhaps it is running a different version of XMLTV in both instances? |
| [15:10:08] | Saturnation: | thefRont, have you tried running tv_grab_de_tvmovie_clicker directly? |
| [15:10:35] | thefRont: | yes |
| [15:10:40] | thefRont: | that's working |
| [15:11:10] | Saturnation: | is there a long for the grabber that you can check when fill is running? |
| [15:11:34] | thefRont: | you mean a log? I guess not |
| [15:11:54] | Saturnation: | check |
| [15:12:04] | Saturnation: | probably will help :) |
| [15:12:25] | ** Saturnation just wrote his first custom record rule with Power Search ** | |
| [15:16:12] | thefRont: | I've just added the grabber as a cronjob with the --version parameter. it prints out the same xmltv module version as the version it shows when running from commandline |
| [15:17:11] | Saturnation: | that the grabber version, I was thinking the XMLTV version |
| [15:17:21] | Saturnation: | "You may need to upgrade to the latest version of XMLTV." |
| [15:17:48] | Saturnation: | perhaps there is an environment variable that is different in both scenarios? |
| [15:18:04] | thefRont: | how can I check which version of xmltv is used? |
| [15:18:32] | ** Saturnation shrugs ** | |
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| [15:22:55] | thefRont: | $ tv_grab_de_tvmovie_clickfinder --version |
| [15:22:55] | thefRont: | XMLTV module version 0.5.56 |
| [15:22:56] | thefRont: | This is tv_grab_de_tvmovie_clickfinder version 1.1, 2009/05/24 16:47:28 |
| [15:23:18] | thefRont: | well, I think XMLTV module version is not the grabber version but the version of my xmltv installation |
| [15:23:21] | Saturnation: | I don't know anything, just asking questions to help clarify the problem |
| [15:23:33] | thefRont: | that doesn't change when I run it as a cronjob |
| [15:23:37] | thefRont: | ok |
| [15:23:38] | Saturnation: | true |
| [15:23:59] | Saturnation: | but I bet there is an environment var that is different |
| [15:24:07] | Saturnation: | at least that'd be the next thing I'd check |
| [15:24:29] | thefRont: | but maybe GlemSom is right... maybe the path is missing in cronjob environment |
| [15:24:32] | thefRont: | will check that |
| [15:24:56] | Saturnation: | I'll bet that it isn't, since it does appear to FIND it when the cron job runs |
| [15:25:04] | Saturnation: | but please do check :) |
| [15:27:32] | ** Saturnation is started to get addicted to the power of the Power Search :) ** | |
| [15:28:47] | thefRont: | it said "Failed to run tv_grab_de_tvmovie_clickfinder --capabilities" so it might be that mythfilldatabase couldn't find the grabber |
| [15:29:14] | Saturnation: | addiction not helped by the the fact that the directv grabber doesn't seem to set the subtitle for programs |
| [15:29:23] | Saturnation: | thefRont, maybe |
| [15:29:36] | thefRont: | otherwise, the grabber is located in /usr/local/bin which should be in the path |
| [15:29:52] | Saturnation: | but I'd image that mythfilldatabse just calls XMLTV? Don't really know |
| [15:30:01] | Saturnation: | for root? |
| [15:30:24] | thefRont: | yes, even for root |
| [15:30:48] | Saturnation: | yeah, you're right |
| [15:30:52] | Saturnation: | about the path |
| [15:30:54] | Saturnation: | for root |
| [15:31:11] | Saturnation: | directv.pl, the bane of my life, is in /usr/local/bin |
| [15:31:26] | thefRont: | i'll try a more verbose loglevel for mythfilldatabase. let's see what it's telling me then :) |
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| [15:33:32] | Saturnation: | thefRont, that's the ticket! :) |
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| [15:38:39] | thefRont: | well... the log didn't produce any valuable output |
| [15:38:47] | Saturnation: | stoopid log |
| [15:38:53] | thefRont: | oh yeah |
| [15:43:08] | Saturnation: | sigh, need to get my imon-pad remote working like it used to before the upgrade to maverick :( |
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| [15:47:18] | thefRont: | I think I'll try something different. |
| [15:47:38] | Saturnation: | I can't resist... |
| [15:47:45] | Saturnation: | And now for something completely different :) |
| [15:48:32] | thefRont: | as the grabber runs fine when not run through mythfilldatabase, I'll run it in standalone mode and use it's output for mythfilldatabase |
| [15:49:50] | Saturnation: | uh, workaround |
| [15:49:57] | Saturnation: | beware the workaround :) |
| [15:51:06] | ** Saturnation really is trying to be helpful... ** | |
| [15:51:15] | thefRont: | hehe |
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| [15:53:09] | gizmobay: | I just compiled 0.24. The images on the watch recording screens look pixelated from my PVR 150 and OTA tuner. Anyone know how to fix? |
| [15:53:31] | Saturnation: | gizmobay, sorry, no idea |
| [15:54:03] | gizmobay: | okay |
| [15:54:03] | Saturnation: | I bet you don't know how to get imon-pad to work with lirc in with the new ir-core modules? |
| [15:54:17] | gizmobay: | me? |
| [15:54:21] | Saturnation: | yeppers |
| [15:54:31] | gizmobay: | sorry, no idea |
| [15:54:38] | Saturnation: | then we're even :) |
| [15:54:44] | gizmobay: | Si |
| [15:55:28] | Saturnation: | damn, what is wrong with my fingers today. Second time I've tried to remotely log into my mythbox with telnet! :) |
| [15:56:07] | gizmobay: | use ssh |
| [16:00:09] | Saturnation: | oh, I do, just my finger are thinking differently today |
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| [16:05:14] | GlemSom: | I just tried the mythbunto and chieldish theme... They both have the same black (boring) OSD theme... Is that correct? (mythtv 0.24) |
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| [16:09:19] | dapper-daniel: | hi! |
| [16:09:44] | Saturnation: | hi! |
| [16:10:10] | ** Saturnation is doing his head in with the transition from lirc to ir-core :( ** | |
| [16:10:26] | dapper-daniel: | i need some advice for dvb-c and smart cards |
| [16:11:04] | dapper-daniel: | i dont know what to buy |
| [16:11:18] | dapper-daniel: | there are cards that come with ci module |
| [16:11:38] | dapper-daniel: | then you still need a cam module as far as i understood |
| [16:12:10] | dapper-daniel: | the second way would be to use any smartcard reader an some kind of software |
| [16:12:13] | Saturnation: | can't help you sorry |
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| [16:12:27] | ** Saturnation just uses a STB with a hd-pvr ** | |
| [16:20:21] | thefRont: | ok, looks like now it works |
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| [16:20:55] | gizmobay: | well my issue is definetly related to MPEG streams as my oither tuner that genrates a .nuv file doesn't have the issue |
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| [16:25:36] | wagnerrp: | antihc3: dont bother even trying to make an appletv work |
| [16:25:47] | wagnerrp: | its too slow and with too little memory to be of any consequence |
| [16:26:02] | Saturnation: | thefRont, yeah for the workaround!?! |
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| [16:26:40] | thefRont: | yay |
| [16:26:42] | ** Saturnation wonders if lsof with show what application is grabbing lirc ** | |
| [16:26:57] | CRU_: | I wondered if someone could help me: I created a new user on my mythbuntu but mythtv doesn't automatically start like it does on default user. How can I do this (I'm a noob to ubuntu) |
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| [16:29:42] | russell5: | the front end doesnt start? |
| [16:30:03] | wagnerrp: | need more information |
| [16:30:06] | russell5: | log in as the other user and open startup programs. it should have mythtv listed. |
| [16:30:22] | russell5: | you can copy the command there into the same place logged in as the other user |
| [16:30:30] | wagnerrp: | open a terminal, run 'mythfrontend' |
| [16:30:45] | wagnerrp: | see what errors explain why it wont start in the terminal |
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| [16:37:20] | antihc3: | wagnerrp i appreciate that but what else am i going to do with it besides collect dust. |
| [16:37:41] | wagnerrp: | let it collect dust |
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| [16:38:26] | wagnerrp: | if youre doing anything HD, it doesnt have enough power to be worth messing with |
| [16:40:03] | Saturnation: | antihc3, lite book ancor? |
| [16:40:15] | antihc3: | :) |
| [16:40:30] | tgm4883: | CRU_, I believe you can set that up via MCC |
| [16:41:00] | CRU_: | tgm4883: MCC? sorry, don't know what that means :( |
| [16:41:24] | tgm4883: | mythbuntu control centre |
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| [16:42:36] | CRU_: | ah....let me check that out. didn't even think of that. |
| [16:44:55] | Saturnation: | What's the best way to add channels? I have Sunday Ticket w/DirecTV, but the set up never added them... :( |
| [16:45:54] | wagnerrp: | since you cant scan directtv, or any form of analog capture |
| [16:46:06] | wagnerrp: | i presume setup pulled from your schedules direct account |
| [16:46:14] | CRU_: | tgm4883: thanks, that did it =) |
| [16:46:38] | wagnerrp: | if the channels arent available on your schedules direct account, there is no point trying to add them manually as there will be no guide data |
| [16:47:07] | wagnerrp: | if that is the case, you may want to file a ticket to SD to get them to make those channels available |
| [16:47:15] | Saturnation: | wagnerrp, ah |
| [16:47:20] | tgm4883: | CRU_, np |
| [16:47:20] | Saturnation: | my account? |
| [16:47:35] | Saturnation: | configuration only asked for my zip |
| [16:47:37] | wagnerrp: | yes, you are using schedules direct to get guide data, correct? |
| [16:47:46] | Saturnation: | probably not |
| [16:47:59] | wagnerrp: | if youre using directv, you should be |
| [16:48:04] | Saturnation: | ah, ok, then yes |
| [16:48:18] | ** Saturnation checks what grabber he is using... ** | |
| [16:48:28] | wagnerrp: | which should have required you to sign up for an account at schedulesdirect.com, create lineups |
| [16:48:34] | Saturnation: | nope |
| [16:48:39] | tgm4883: | Saturnation, wagnerrp those were available when I had NFL sunday ticket |
| [16:48:53] | wagnerrp: | and then give mythtv-setup your account information to access those lineups |
| [16:49:01] | tgm4883: | and SD were pretty good at getting it worked out with the crappy channels that dtv puts them at |
| [16:49:03] | Saturnation: | Updating source #1 (DirecTV) with grabber tv_grab_na_dtv |
| [16:49:08] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: is 'sunday ticket' normally scheduled? or on-demand? |
| [16:49:14] | tgm4883: | scheduled |
| [16:49:22] | Saturnation: | scheduled |
| [16:49:24] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, all it is is every NFL game |
| [16:49:41] | ** Saturnation checks out schedulesdirect.com ** | |
| [16:49:46] | wagnerrp: | then yes, schedules direct should have them all available |
| [16:49:49] | Saturnation: | do they include sub titles for programs? |
| [16:49:55] | wagnerrp: | and if they dont, file a support ticket |
| [16:50:04] | wagnerrp: | no, theyre guide data |
| [16:50:08] | tgm4883: | yes |
| [16:50:18] | wagnerrp: | oh, you mean part of the name |
| [16:50:27] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, yea, so he knows who is playing |
| [16:50:32] | wagnerrp: | not the closed-caption type of subtitles |
| [16:50:41] | Saturnation: | no, the sub title for a show |
| [16:50:44] | wagnerrp: | right... |
| [16:50:47] | Saturnation: | like Big Bang, etc |
| [16:50:55] | wagnerrp: | yes, they include all that |
| [16:50:57] | tgm4883: | title: NFL football sub-title: chigago bears vs new england patriots |
| [16:50:58] | Saturnation: | hmm |
| [16:51:46] | ** wagnerrp isnt quite thinking straight, and probably should get some breakfast ** | |
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| [17:05:01] | olejl: | Is there a way I can clear all SG information from the database? |
| [17:05:35] | olejl: | I have reinstalled my MB with a different name, which seems to cause some issues. |
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| [17:09:56] | gpu: | I'm thinking of changing my gpu to more modern one... I have a 9500gt now, was thinking of gt2xx versions.. what's the difference with mythtv if I choose gt200 or gt220 or gt240? |
| [17:11:51] | tgm4883: | olejl, when you do that, you should backup/restore the db using the provided tools |
| [17:12:06] | tgm4883: | there are options for changing the hostname |
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| [17:16:03] | olejl: | tgm4883: ok thanks, I found the command for it I think |
| [17:16:31] | wagnerrp: | gpu: a 9500gt is plenty new |
| [17:16:41] | wagnerrp: | you wont get any significant improvement with a newer card |
| [17:17:22] | wagnerrp: | a GT2xx card would get you HDMI audio (as opposed to SPDIF) and thats about it |
| [17:20:36] | gpu: | wagnerrp: ok, that's nice to know :) |
| [17:21:54] | gpu: | wagnerrp: actually I've bought a newer mobo and cpu... they don't work with the gpu I have now, seller has tested 2 times the mobo+cpu at their shop... works there, but not here with the old gpu. |
| [17:22:45] | gpu: | I thought that I'd have to buy a new gpu because of some odd compability problem... |
| [17:23:02] | wagnerrp: | a 9500gt will work just fine with any motherboard you purchase with an x16 slot |
| [17:23:22] | gpu: | I'll have to try to get a loaner to see if it is a compatibility problem |
| [17:23:32] | wagnerrp: | what motherboard? |
| [17:23:56] | gpu: | gigabyte ga-h55-ud3h |
| [17:24:47] | wagnerrp: | you have the card in the top slot? |
| [17:25:07] | gpu: | the gpu card does not work at all on the top slot. on the lower it works, but there are other odd stuff happening |
| [17:25:29] | gpu: | ie. corruption on picture |
| [17:25:42] | wagnerrp: | i would suspect there is a problem with the board |
| [17:25:46] | gpu: | usb keyboard stopped working for a while. |
| [17:25:58] | gpu: | me too, seller disagrees... :/ |
| [17:26:09] | gpu: | and lan died... |
| [17:26:17] | wagnerrp: | did they use a card in the slot? or did they use the onboard video? |
| [17:26:38] | gpu: | ati card |
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| [17:27:30] | gpu: | bios has lan tester, it shows odd stuff... one pair shorted, one open ie, even if there is no cable connected... |
| [17:27:59] | gpu: | at their test it worked fine, they even browsed the web with it |
| [17:28:04] | wagnerrp: | id say the board is a lemon |
| [17:28:36] | gpu: | yes. I'll have to get a loaner gpu card to check that there is no odd compatibility problems |
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| [17:35:46] | CRU_: | is there an option within edit keys to change the resolution on live tv (some shows I'd like to stretch to fill out the screen while others are 1080p and automatically take up the screen) |
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| [17:40:58] | gpu: | CRU_: I think W key is default for zoom, which might be what you mean |
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| [18:10:22] | Azelphur: | Is there any pitfalls with moving my storage groups? or do I just change the directories in mythtv-setup and it should all work |
| [18:11:17] | wagnerrp: | mythtv only records what storage group the content is in, and the relative path to that content within the storage group |
| [18:11:40] | wagnerrp: | as long as your content is somewhere in one of the folders defined for that storage group on that host, it will be found |
| [18:11:51] | Azelphur: | cool :) |
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| [18:16:39] | wagnerrp: | is there any way to just... delete this whole Kinect thing? |
| [18:17:11] | wagnerrp: | Spielberg, you ruined everything |
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| [18:19:04] | Saturnation: | damn, there is little to no documentation on ir-core |
| [18:19:13] | ** Saturnation is happy to finally have solved his issue... ** | |
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| [18:32:50] | drindt: | hey there i haven't such oversized mythtv system in my box, and the box is now up since 4 months, and when i want now play some stuff the harddisc is doing a lot might be the database size is growing so much, what can i do to speed up it? |
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| [18:54:14] | sphery: | drindt: it's not the database size--in mythtv database size is basically static after one year of use, where the only thing that can increase the size is adding more recordings or MythVideo videos (specifically, the seek tables for the 2). And, really, the seek tables don't cause that much growth. |
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| [18:54:50] | sphery: | drindt: Something else is causing your issue. Might want to try restarting things (and/or just reboot). |
| [18:54:55] | Gibby2: | just upgraded to 0.24... 2 issues... first 1 lost sound on 1 of my frontends... i rescanned and check alsamixer settings still no go... any thoughts? |
| [18:55:17] | bjd: | might have to change what device it uses |
| [18:55:24] | drindt: | sphery: i wonder because i choose in my mediathek a record, it appears "please wait" on screen then the harddrive has a lot of activities... and it needs a lot of time to play that record |
| [18:55:30] | bjd: | i had to change from ALSA:default to something else |
| [18:56:42] | sphery: | drindt: sounds like either an issue with the 3rd-party frontend client or possibly some UPnP issues |
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| [18:56:59] | high-rez: | So uhm. Is there any ipv6 support in myth? :) |
| [18:57:13] | drindt: | sphery: i just wonder because i dont toch it just used for 4 months |
| [18:57:24] | bjd: | not yet high-rez |
| [18:57:31] | sphery: | well, I can guarantee it's not the database size |
| [18:57:35] | sphery: | I don't know what it is, though |
| [18:58:01] | high-rez: | bjd: I'm prepairing all of my systems for the apocalypse. :) Err I mean ipv4 exhaustion |
| [18:58:02] | sphery: | I'd bet your database is much smaller than the one on my system |
| [18:58:11] | Gibby2: | i selected HDMI as my device |
| [18:58:36] | drindt: | sphery: i just have 4x atom 330 processor and some slow 1T samsung 2.5" hdd |
| [18:58:57] | sphery: | that's likely a contributing factor |
| [18:59:13] | sphery: | and potentially memory, too--depending on how much you have installed |
| [18:59:35] | drindt: | 2G installed |
| [19:00:11] | sphery: | that should be enough |
| [19:00:18] | drindt: | but so far this box is working very fine |
| [19:00:35] | drindt: | also 2 other clients using it |
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| [19:01:31] | drindt: | and i have written a anaconda kickstart file so its possible to reinstall that box in 10 minutes |
| [19:02:09] | drindt: | i would publish since a long time the box specs also the power consumption is just ~20W, very nice for our climatic change :D |
| [19:02:55] | drindt: | one issue with that box is left, it doesnt work with S3 or S5 so acpi wakeup is very buggy there, and maybe the letter cases fix that soon |
| [19:05:30] | Gibby2: | fyi: reinstalled nvidia drivers and all good |
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| [19:08:59] | wagnerrp: | drindt: didnt you know? mythtv got kinect support |
| [19:09:24] | wagnerrp: | you have to stand on one leg, with your other knee at waist height, and touch both fingers to your nose to get the video to play |
| [19:09:25] | drindt: | wagnerrp: i dont know kinect |
| [19:09:47] | drindt: | wagnerrp: dont confuse me more than my life does :D |
| [19:11:16] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: It would be great if myth could use gestures to figure out the type of movie you want to wash. E.g. sitting down drinking a beer with your girl? Romantic comedy... At home alone, shades down? .... |
| [19:11:30] | high-rez: | s/wash/watch |
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| [19:12:54] | drindt: | high-rez: and maybe it downloads porns automatically |
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| [19:55:09] | ikke-t: | anyone having problem with mythtv starting main audio channel muted? |
| [19:55:49] | ikke-t: | most likely something to do with pulseaudio, but even if I enable internal volume controls and set volumes to 100, it is always muted at start |
| [19:56:54] | ikke-t: | I found some ubuntu bugs mentioning pulse fails to restore sounds after bootup, but why mythtv fails to set them correct? |
| [19:58:15] | wagnerrp: | ikke-t: are you running 0.24? |
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| [19:59:21] | ikke-t: | Yep, started happening to me about week ago |
| [20:01:54] | ikke-t: | wagnerrp, i recall it was slightly before 24 official, but already 24-fixes |
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| [20:03:52] | mellery: | how do I get mythnetvisions "browse internet content" to show up under media library? |
| [20:04:05] | wagnerrp: | you have to install it |
| [20:04:44] | RDV_Linux_: | mellery: Did you subscribe to any using the menu "m"? |
| [20:05:28] | mellery: | the "Browse Internet Video" link isn't there for me to select m on |
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| [20:06:01] | mellery: | just watch recordings and watch videos |
| [20:06:11] | wagnerrp: | yes, you must install mythnetvision before it will show up |
| [20:06:35] | mellery: | I did with mythbuntu's setup, are there known issues with that? |
| [20:06:40] | RDV_Linux_: | mellery: Is the search there? If not then you do not have the netvision plugin installed. Mythbuntu control centre allows you to select that plugin. |
| [20:07:05] | RDV_Linux_: | mellery: Look at the control centre "plugins" tab |
| [20:07:42] | mellery: | it thinks mythbrowser, mythnetvision, mythvideo, and mythweb are all installed |
| [20:07:54] | mellery: | search is not there |
| [20:08:40] | RDV_Linux_: | mellery: Assuming you have an upto date Mythbuntu 0.24 PPA the Mythnetvision plugin install from the control centre does work. |
| [20:09:06] | wagnerrp: | whether 'it' thinks its installed or not |
| [20:09:20] | wagnerrp: | the fact that it does not show up in the menu means you do not have a compatible library available |
| [20:09:49] | mellery: | I'm using the 0.24fixes ppa, and updated it today |
| [20:10:54] | RDV_Linux_: | mellery: The regular Synaptic program has a "mythnetvision" package. See if it is marked as installed. You could uninstall and reinstall that specific plugin from the control centre. |
| [20:11:53] | RDV_Linux_: | mellery: If you still have a problem you may get better help in #ubuntu-mythtv-dev |
| [20:13:59] | mellery: | ok, will try there. thanks for the help |
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| [20:16:11] | GlemSom: | I finaly took the step and got my ebuilds for 0.24 working... How-ever, I've noticed lirc seems really sluggish since upgrading to 0,24 (from a recent 0.23.1-fixes)... Anyone else seen this ? |
| [20:19:03] | kormoc: | lirc speed is fine for myself |
| [20:19:09] | kormoc: | on both 0.8 and 0.9 |
| [20:21:47] | drindt: | i have 2 dvb-t receiver installed, how many tuner for each receiver i should set in the mythtv-setup? |
| [20:22:36] | kormoc: | as many as you want and your system can handle? |
| [20:23:34] | wagnerrp: | (up to the compiled limit of 5) |
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| [20:25:16] | wagnerrp: | note that the bulk of the scheduler run is during placement of recordings |
| [20:25:25] | wagnerrp: | and it does not scale linearly with tuner counr |
| [20:26:36] | ** wagnerrp appears to have been successful in squashing the kinect thread ** | |
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| [20:44:11] | gizmobay: | I can't figure out why my ffmpeg keeps disappearing. |
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| [20:45:50] | wagnerrp: | wooooh! errors are all gone |
| [20:47:45] | Varro: | Hey. I am at the start of planning a mythTV box, and was wondering if any of you had any suggestions to a decent dual DVB-S pci (express) cards compatible with mythTV and a CONAX CI module? (CI reader can be separate) |
| [20:48:05] | wagnerrp: | no, the CI reader cannot be separate |
| [20:48:25] | wagnerrp: | to use with mythtv, the card reader must be integrated with the tuner card |
| [20:48:29] | Varro: | oh, it cant? so it has to be on the card. ouch |
| [20:49:12] | wagnerrp: | this was an intentional design choice, and not likely to change |
| [20:49:18] | Varro: | that makes it harder... found a russian card, but its "pro", and costs $900 |
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| [20:50:03] | kormoc: | Varro, we don't really do tuner cards, linuxtv.org writes the drivers and has all the card compatibility information |
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| [20:50:33] | wagnerrp: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/NetUP_Dual_DVB_S2_CI |
| [20:50:39] | wagnerrp: | looks like a winner |
| [20:50:53] | Varro: | thats the one at 900 bucks |
| [20:52:01] | bjd: | mythbrowser is just a standalone browser isn't it? |
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| [20:52:28] | wagnerrp: | no, it is a plugin, integrated into mythfrontend |
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| [20:54:53] | bjd: | Yeah, i know it's a plugin but it's a browser in it's own right? |
| [20:55:24] | wagnerrp: | its a plugin, it is not a standalone application |
| [20:55:33] | wagnerrp: | you cannot launch a 'mythbrowser' instance from the command line |
| [20:55:52] | bjd: | nevermind |
| [20:56:09] | wagnerrp: | if you are asking if it simply wraps firefox, no |
| [20:56:18] | wagnerrp: | it is a full browser written using the qt-webkit libraries |
| [20:56:41] | bjd: | so it's independent of any other browser, thats what i was asking :) |
| [20:57:29] | wagnerrp: | well not really |
| [20:57:43] | wagnerrp: | it uses a 3rd party toolkit |
| [20:58:00] | wagnerrp: | it would be no different from building a browser around nsrunner (firefox's toolkit) |
| [20:58:03] | Varro: | seems like happauge winTV cars support CI through USB. sweet. |
| [20:58:11] | Varro: | thanks for the heads up kormoc |
| [20:58:25] | wagnerrp: | Varro: no, not in mythtv |
| [20:58:37] | wagnerrp: | mythtv only supports CI cards connected directly to the tuner |
| [20:58:50] | wagnerrp: | it requires the tuner to do decryption completely internally |
| [20:59:50] | Varro: | oh.. linuxtv says its supported though. |
| [21:00:01] | wagnerrp: | by linuxtv, yes |
| [21:00:09] | russell5: | i know mythtv does not support pulse audio but does pusle need to be disabled or uninstalled for sound to work in mythtv? |
| [21:00:11] | wagnerrp: | but mythtv CANNOT use the external card reader |
| [21:00:31] | wagnerrp: | russell5: in 0.22 and 0.23, mythtv requires pulseaudio to be disabled |
| [21:00:42] | wagnerrp: | pulse's ALSA emulation is incomplete at best |
| [21:00:51] | wagnerrp: | and causes significant issues when used with mythtv |
| [21:01:03] | russell5: | yeah sound works on my forntend but not in mythtv |
| [21:01:04] | wagnerrp: | in 0.24, mythtv now has a properly functional pulse output |
| [21:01:18] | wagnerrp: | are you talking about for recording? |
| [21:01:57] | russell5: | played a recording live tv and a ripped movie. i need to try them outside mythtv next |
| [21:02:21] | wagnerrp: | recordings should not need to access the audio subsystem at all |
| [21:02:33] | wagnerrp: | and if you need to use pulseaudio for output, you need to upgrade to 0.24 |
| [21:02:58] | russell5: | yeah i am running .24 i dont need to use pusle just use ubuntu has the base. |
| [21:03:04] | wagnerrp: | ah, xulrunner, not nsrunner |
| [21:03:24] | wagnerrp: | its preferred that you uninstall pulseaudio and just use ALSA |
| [21:03:35] | wagnerrp: | if you use the mythbuntu installer, it is already set up in this manner |
| [21:04:14] | russell5: | ok im going to remove pusle i also think im gonna swicth to xcfe instead of gnome |
| [21:04:17] | russell5: | thanks |
| [21:06:14] | kormoc: | anyone know if there's a CLI flag to never try to configure mysql info by hand? |
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| [21:10:21] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: you mean never poll UPNP? |
| [21:12:29] | kormoc: | Nah, if polling UPnP fails, don't prompt for "Do you wish to set the mysql connection settings now [no]?" |
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| [21:13:02] | wagnerrp: | it only does that if it has access to stdin |
| [21:13:08] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [21:13:26] | majawana: | hi everyone |
| [21:13:33] | wagnerrp: | or maybe if it detects its connected to a valid terminal |
| [21:13:42] | kormoc: | Yeah, not sure how to remove that |
| [21:13:53] | wagnerrp: | or maybe if you didnt specify a log file |
| [21:14:00] | wagnerrp: | theres something it checks |
| [21:14:08] | majawana: | this is mith tv .. what exactly is this channel about |
| [21:14:17] | wagnerrp: | because i know ive seen in logs 'this is not connected to a terminal, skipping interactive setup' |
| [21:14:21] | wagnerrp: | or something like that |
| [21:14:33] | wagnerrp: | majawana: http://www.mythtv.org/ |
| [21:15:28] | ** wagnerrp wonders how people make it to this channel without knowing what mythtv is ** | |
| [21:15:39] | majawana: | thanks .. im not interested! |
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| [21:17:35] | iamlindoro: | wtf |
| [21:17:47] | wagnerrp: | wtf indeed |
| [21:18:24] | bjd: | mith tv :D |
| [21:19:23] | skd5aner: | heh – what is you? I DON'T WANT YOU! |
| [21:21:27] | skd5aner: | kormoc: I tested some more with mobile after upgrading, I think I found a bug :( |
| [21:22:32] | skd5aner: | kormoc: as we were talking the other night, it defaults to the ipod theme for android, and I now understand the unfinished nature of that – but I'm having problems now going to the full skin after the latest release... |
| [21:22:59] | skd5aner: | kormoc: the link still shows at the bottom of the ipod skin to go to the main skin, and when I click it, it succesfully takes me to the main page of MythWeb with the "default" theme... |
| [21:23:21] | skd5aner: | but then, when I try to do anything on that, all I get is an error message... |
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| [21:24:20] | skd5aner: | kormoc: "Warning at |
| [21:24:24] | skd5aner: | oops |
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| [21:25:27] | kormoc: | I should just disable that template for now |
| [21:25:51] | skd5aner: | kormoc: "Warning at .../mythweb/modules/tv/list.php, lline 49: !!NoTrans: require_once(modules/tv/tmpl/iPod/list.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory!!" |
| [21:26:23] | skd5aner: | kormoc: yea, that's fine... but I can't even get back to the normal template. Wasn't an issue with 0.23-fixes, but can't do it since 0.24 |
| [21:27:16] | skd5aner: | I've tried on 2 different android phones, cleared the cache/cookies, no dice no matter what link I try to click on when the normal template home page is displayed |
| [21:27:25] | skd5aner: | kormoc: want me to submit a bug report with the details? |
| [21:27:55] | skd5aner: | (I hope you say yes, since I already started... heh) |
| [21:28:18] | kormoc: | yeah :) |
| [21:28:43] | skd5aner: | cool, thanks – just wanted to give you a heads up since I saw you were active |
| [21:28:58] | russell5: | thanks uninstalling pusle fixed my sound. onto my remote :) |
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| [21:31:26] | smithna: | Could someone tell what is suppose to happen with the menu option "Retrieve alll data"? When I try it – nothing updates... |
| [21:31:55] | iamlindoro: | If nothing updates, then all your videos are already marked as processed |
| [21:32:38] | smithna: | I deleted some rows so I could have them rescaned (out of the videometadata table) |
| [21:34:11] | smithna: | Is there another table that might mark videos as processed? |
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| [21:35:34] | kormoc: | did you scan before retrieve all data? |
| [21:35:35] | Azelphur: | I'm having a weird problem. When I delete a recording, it disappears, a few seconds later, it re-appears. Any ideas? |
| [21:35:56] | kormoc: | check your logs |
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| [21:37:56] | smithna: | I'm trying to correct some previous scans — so they had once been scaned, I used phpmyadmin to remove rows from the videometadataa table for titles I wanted to correct and then tried the "retrieve all data" option |
| [21:38:01] | bjd: | Mmm, when watching live tv and browsing to see what else is on, the subtitles appear in front of the browse box so you can't read the contents – is that configurable? |
| [21:38:29] | Azelphur: | kormoc: permissions \o/ |
| [21:40:12] | smithna: | kormoc: and yes, I did scan for videos (they show up when browsing) |
| [21:40:25] | ** smithna isn't sure if he can read ** | |
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| [21:44:06] | iamlindoro: | smithna, If you scanned for them, they were grabbed when scanned |
| [21:44:27] | iamlindoro: | Retrieve all data is only for items which already exist but have been marked manually as unprocessed |
| [21:44:45] | iamlindoro: | If you are not getting metadata, then either there is no metadata to get, or your scripts/bindings install is broken |
| [21:44:49] | iamlindoro: | ie, you're using ubuntu/mythbuntu |
| [21:45:00] | iamlindoro: | In which case you can blame your packager |
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| [21:45:52] | smithna: | iamlindoro: So data is suppose to be grabbed when i "scan for changes"? |
| [21:46:18] | iamlindoro: | smithna, It *will* be grabbed-- the only case in which it will not be is as I explained to you above |
| [21:46:26] | iamlindoro: | your install is broken, or there is no metadata to grab |
| [21:46:49] | iamlindoro: | or you have turned off the auto-grab |
| [21:47:29] | ** smithna off to test... ** | |
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| [21:47:52] | iamlindoro: | testing whether your bindings/scripts are broken is easy |
| [21:47:55] | iamlindoro: | just run the command in your logs |
| [21:48:03] | iamlindoro: | and pastebin output, even if you *think* it's working |
| [21:48:53] | iamlindoro: | In probably 100 complaints from ubuntu users, we have yet to find any actual bug in metadata grabbing-- it is always, always, packager bugs |
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| [22:03:42] | Chiwauwa: | I'm trying to utilize a NAS for my recordings. I've change the LiveTV storage group to point to the mount point. When making a new recording it seems to default to the 'old' location. If it can't get access to the LiveTV storage group (maybe I have some issues with permission on the NAS NFS) does it then revert to the Default storage group. Thanks. |
| [22:04:40] | iamlindoro: | If you are making a recording, it won't go to the Live TV storage group period, it's go to the recordings SG |
| [22:04:57] | iamlindoro: | if you are watching Live TV and access to the Live TV SG fails, yes, it will fall back to Default |
| [22:09:34] | Chiwauwa: | I have to SG. Default and LiveTV. In the past the both pointed to /var/lib/mythtv/recordings. Now I changed it a bit ... the NAS is mounted at /var/lib/mythtv/nas and the LiveTV SG is pointing at /var/lib/mythtv/nas/recordings. |
| [22:09:40] | Chiwauwa: | two SGs |
| [22:09:53] | iamlindoro: | everything I told you above remains true |
| [22:10:08] | iamlindoro: | Only Live TV will attempt to use the Live TV storage Group, not regular recordings |
| [22:10:21] | iamlindoro: | If it fails to access that group, it will fall back to default |
| [22:10:29] | Chiwauwa: | So maybe the problem is that I do not have a recordings SG ... so it uses the default? |
| [22:10:38] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [22:10:45] | iamlindoro: | Default is... default |
| [22:11:53] | Chiwauwa: | Let me try ... makes sense :-) What about changing the default SG location? Is it fixed across distributions? I can't do it from the UI, but from the db interface I can! |
| [22:12:08] | iamlindoro: | It's not fixed at all |
| [22:12:12] | Chiwauwa: | Or is this not recommended for other reasons |
| [22:12:17] | iamlindoro: | You can absolutely change the default location |
| [22:12:55] | Chiwauwa: | Ok thanks. Do you recommed me to create a recordings SG or change the default? Anything that I need to be aware of in that respect? |
| [22:13:19] | iamlindoro: | You can do either, whichever you want |
| [22:13:28] | Chiwauwa: | :-) |
| [22:14:49] | Chiwauwa: | Ok. I'll go for changing the default SG location. I've copied all the existing recordings to the NAS. Anything that I should be worried about in terms of deletion in the db/nas if I misconfigure? |
| [22:15:33] | Chiwauwa: | The WAF factor will go really low if I wipe all her recordings ;-) |
| [22:15:51] | iamlindoro: | Not knowing how you plan to misconfigure it, I can't speculate what might happen |
| [22:17:57] | Chiwauwa: | Just changed the entry in the db ... let's see what happens ... |
| [22:18:25] | iamlindoro: | Oh, neat, you chose to misconfigure it by modifying the DB instead of letting Myth, which does it properly, do it |
| [22:18:29] | iamlindoro: | Didn't expect that |
| [22:18:42] | iamlindoro: | well, that ought to be neat when/if it breaks |
| [22:20:16] | Chiwauwa: | Hmm |
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| [22:24:03] | Chiwauwa: | Ran mythfilldatabase after I changed the entry directly in the db ... change it back to the original setting, reran mythfilldatabase and now I've changed it from the UI. |
| [22:24:32] | iamlindoro: | mythfilldatabase has nothing to do with the settings you are modifying |
| [22:24:42] | iamlindoro: | mythfilldatabase has nothing to do with settigns at all |
| [22:25:18] | iamlindoro: | mythfilldatabase downloads and inserts listings data, that's it |
| [22:25:41] | Chiwauwa: | That was also my assumption ... testing :-) |
| [22:25:53] | Chiwauwa: | testing whether or not it works |
| [22:25:58] | iamlindoro: | ?? |
| [22:26:04] | iamlindoro: | One has nothign to do with the operation of the other |
| [22:26:08] | iamlindoro: | at all |
| [22:26:21] | smithna: | iamlindoro: what command should I be looking for in my logs? (so much stuff logged, must tone down...) |
| [22:26:34] | iamlindoro: | you could put "boobiesboobiesboobies" in as your storage group and MFDB would still work |
| [22:26:38] | iamlindoro: | smithna, "running grabber" |
| [22:26:51] | skd5aner: | sweet... boobies |
| [22:27:27] | kormoc: | and then people wonder why we don't want folks modifying the DB directly.... |
| [22:27:39] | iamlindoro: | smithna, |
| [22:27:39] | iamlindoro: | 2010-11–13 14:08:07.258 Adding : : Television/Glee/Season 2/Glee 2x06 – Never Been Kissed.mpg : 6344f8910c395d3d |
| [22:27:39] | iamlindoro: | 2010-11–13 14:08:07.770 Running Grabber: /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Television/ttvdb.py -l en -M Glee |
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| [22:27:51] | smithna: | iamlindoro: hmmm... I made sure it was clicked... But no such statement in logs |
| [22:27:59] | iamlindoro: | If auto-grab is enabled, then as soon as the item is added, you will see a grabber run |
| [22:28:29] | iamlindoro: | smithna, sounds like you have database issues |
| [22:28:39] | iamlindoro: | Minimally you shoudl be able to manually invoke a single metadata grab |
| [22:28:42] | iamlindoro: | highlight the item, press w |
| [22:28:46] | iamlindoro: | check logs |
| [22:29:18] | smithna: | I know "w" works, do that all the time (off to check if it's logged) |
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| [22:29:31] | iamlindoro: | then the auto-grab settings is not set to on |
| [22:29:33] | iamlindoro: | that's it |
| [22:29:37] | iamlindoro: | only possibility |
| [22:30:01] | iamlindoro: | all of this assumes that you are using default logging |
| [22:32:32] | smithna: | this is how I start mythfrontend – exec /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend -d -v most > /home/mythtv/mythfrontend.log 2>&1 (which does seem to produce way too much) |
| [22:32:45] | iamlindoro: | why are you using -v most? |
| [22:32:54] | iamlindoro: | That's an insane level of logging |
| [22:33:00] | Chiwauwa: | kormoc, I understand ... but for me at least looking into the db is essential for an understanding of how it works and a confirmation of that what I'm doing is right (beside from reading the www and asking). But I agree changing it directly in the UI was not the most wise thing to do. |
| [22:33:21] | smithna: | Troubleshooting a long time ago... And just left it that way. |
| [22:33:26] | iamlindoro: | Chiwauwa, How is modifying the DB wiser than changing the DB? |
| [22:33:30] | iamlindoro: | er changing in the UI |
| [22:33:55] | iamlindoro: | Chiwauwa, We have dozens of tables which are relational-- you can change one value and break a dozen others |
| [22:34:08] | iamlindoro: | Chiwauwa, by contract, the UI will *always* do it right |
| [22:34:14] | iamlindoro: | s/contract/contrast/ |
| [22:34:23] | Chiwauwa: | iamlindore, you got me wrong :-) I agree that using the UI is much better |
| [22:34:36] | iamlindoro: | Chiwauwa, "But I agree changing it directly in the UI was not the most wise thing to do." |
| [22:34:44] | Chiwauwa: | iamlindoro, it is by the way working |
| [22:34:52] | iamlindoro: | Chiwauwa, it is working *right now* |
| [22:35:06] | iamlindoro: | This does not imply that it will continue to do so ;) |
| [22:35:08] | Chiwauwa: | Ohh, I meant changing in the DB was not the most wise thing to do |
| [22:35:14] | ** smithna changes logging to -v important,general ** | |
| [22:35:21] | iamlindoro: | smithna, no |
| [22:35:23] | iamlindoro: | stop |
| [22:35:27] | iamlindoro: | stop being smarter than myth |
| [22:35:31] | iamlindoro: | just remove -v |
| [22:35:33] | iamlindoro: | entirely |
| [22:36:07] | iamlindoro: | including a verbose level, in general, *excludes* the others |
| [22:36:54] | smithna: | iamlindoro: ok |
| [22:37:27] | Chiwauwa: | iamlindoro, thank you for your help and we agree on the db vs ui aspect |
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| [22:41:23] | smithna: | ok, grabber is running |
| [22:42:53] | smithna: | And it's scanning everything... (not just new stuff) |
| [22:43:08] | iamlindoro: | because all the existing stuff hasn't been marked processed yet |
| [22:43:46] | iamlindoro: | When it gets through with it and marks everything processed, then subsequent mass grabs will only pertain to those items which are marked as unprocessed (ie, new, or manually marked unprocessed) |
| [22:44:12] | smithna: | Ok, will check one this run is complete... |
| [22:44:48] | iamlindoro: | So we've established that all is working as expected ;) |
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| [22:45:19] | iamlindoro: | Since based on what you are telling me everything is as expected, there is no reason to expect that it will be otherwise |
| [22:47:28] | ** smithna always *expects* the best — just verifes in case of the worst ** | |
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| [22:47:57] | Chiwauwa: | I now have the mysql db and the recordings on my NAS protected against drive failure. My next step will most probably be going from 0.23 to 0.24 or migrate to a new backend hw – so I can get WOL and auto-start working. Shall I try to upgrade my existing system to 0.24 or upgrade to new hw and then go to 0.24? I have a test system running and at least the frontend in that setup had difficulties when I used auto-builds a couple of days ago to upgrad |
| [22:47:57] | Chiwauwa: | e from 0.23 to 0.24. |
| [22:48:41] | iamlindoro: | smithna, Yes, but since we're an hour and 20 minutes on and all we've learned is that it was working as expected all along, you might understand my narrow view of further "verification" |
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| [22:53:17] | lofidellity: | Where are custom recording rules stored in the database, and how dangerous would it be for me to manually edit them? |
| [22:53:29] | lofidellity: | i changed my frontend name and no longer have any recordings |
| [22:53:45] | fedorared: | Editing the database manually is always hazardous |
| [22:54:15] | [R]: | what does frontend have to do with recorings |
| [22:54:36] | lofidellity: | well according to my lack of having anymore recordings alot |
| [22:55:03] | lofidellity: | unless something else changed without my knowledge |
| [22:55:15] | [R]: | do you see them in mythweb? |
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| [22:55:22] | lofidellity: | yes |
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| [22:55:42] | lofidellity: | but when i look at upcoming recordings i have nothing |
| [22:55:51] | [R]: | upcoming recordings in mythweb? |
| [22:56:04] | lofidellity: | yes |
| [22:56:12] | [R]: | do you still have your recording rules? |
| [22:56:15] | lofidellity: | yes |
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| [22:56:42] | [R]: | try restarting the backend |
| [22:58:00] | lofidellity: | i did |
| [22:58:22] | [R]: | weird |
| [22:58:26] | [R]: | you mustsa changed somethign else |
| [22:58:33] | [R]: | does it see your tuners in mythweb? |
| [22:58:40] | lofidellity: | i had to readd them |
| [22:58:40] | smithna: | iamlindoro: Don't get me wrong — I really appreciate your help/insights. |
| [22:58:53] | [R]: | so you go from "all idid was change my frotned name" |
| [22:58:58] | [R]: | to oh and i ddi this, this, this, AND this |
| [22:59:14] | lofidellity: | how did i do this and this and this |
| [22:59:24] | [R]: | first you said all you did was changed your ftontend name |
| [22:59:29] | [R]: | now you are saying you screwd around with your tuners |
| [22:59:29] | lofidellity: | thats what i did |
| [22:59:38] | iamlindoro: | lofidellity, Is this frontend ALSO a backend? |
| [22:59:47] | lofidellity: | when i changed the name the tuners disappeared |
| [22:59:49] | lofidellity: | iamlindoro: yes |
| [22:59:56] | iamlindoro: | then your problem has nothing to do with the frontend |
| [23:00:06] | iamlindoro: | you've broken your whole database because you changed your backend hostname |
| [23:00:13] | lofidellity: | iamlindoro: ok, thats good to know |
| [23:00:27] | iamlindoro: | See the DB backup scripts to back up, change the hostname globally, and restore it |
| [23:00:42] | lofidellity: | so i guess ill be doing a partial restore |
| [23:00:45] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [23:00:46] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [23:00:55] | iamlindoro: | there is almost never any reason to do a partial restore |
| [23:00:56] | iamlindoro: | ever |
| [23:01:01] | lofidellity: | ok |
| [23:01:13] | lofidellity: | thans for the useful information iamlindoro |
| [23:01:21] | lofidellity: | [R]: sorry you took my words to mean something else |
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| [23:01:32] | lofidellity: | thanks for your attempts to help either way |
| [23:01:40] | iamlindoro: | I am uncertain whether it is already too late, but http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend is the only supported manner of changing hostnames in the db |
| [23:01:44] | [R]: | i took your words to mean what you said |
| [23:01:57] | iamlindoro: | (and if you run into trouble, I am not the person to ask, I have never needed to do the above) |
| [23:03:46] | lofidellity: | that last link looks golden, thanks iamlindoro |
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| [23:11:35] | wagnerrp: | oof... open-iscsi is evil |
| [23:12:57] | wagnerrp: | for some reason, my iscsi server crashed |
| [23:13:11] | wagnerrp: | so one of my clients detects the loss of server, starts trying to reconnect |
| [23:13:15] | lofidellity: | iamlindoro: that last method worked VERY well |
| [23:13:38] | lofidellity: | thank you very much |
| [23:13:40] | wagnerrp: | keeps getting a connection refused, so it starts spamming packets out to the network for unknown reasons |
| [23:14:10] | wagnerrp: | and my netgear switch, being the cheap piece of garbage that it is, folds under the packet load, killing the entire network |
| [23:14:33] | wagnerrp: | netgear, i hate you so very very mugh |
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| [23:16:25] | iamlindoro: | lofidellity, np |
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| [23:39:42] | smithna: | so, as I watch my logs go by... I see this "Protocol version check failure." "The response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION was empty." — does this suggest I need to restart my backend? |
| [23:42:23] | [R]: | smithna: your frontend and backends need to be the same version |
| [23:43:09] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: Cool... I'm gonna go eat brunch or whatever, then I'll take a look... Yes, I woke up at 3:30 ;) |
| [23:43:42] | [R]: | hate to tell you... but you can't eat bunch at 8pm |
| [23:44:12] | Beirdo: | I hate to tell you, but it's not 8pm anywhere on this planet |
| [23:44:23] | [R]: | lol |
| [23:44:30] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: let me know before you do, ill toss up a newer version to that link |
| [23:44:32] | [R]: | i round my times |
| [23:44:33] | smithna: | I'm pretty sure they are — and following error suggest something else, "The response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION was empty. This happens when the backend is too busy to respond, or has deadlocked in due to bugs or hardware failure. |
| [23:44:39] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: cool :) |
| [23:44:54] | [R]: | smithna: oh that message... yes, restart hte bakcend |
| [23:45:03] | Beirdo: | be back in a bit. I serioulsy need to caffeinate my blood :) |
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