| Saturday, November 6th, 2010, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:05] | CyberKnet: | yeah, I didn't think they were vanilla yet. |
| [00:00:25] | CyberKnet: | OK. I better get going. I'll check in tonight after I've deleted my cards and readded them |
| [00:00:29] | CyberKnet: | see where it gets me. |
| [00:00:34] | CyberKnet: | can't see why it would help, but who knows. |
| [00:00:36] | CyberKnet: | :) |
| [00:00:39] | CyberKnet: | thanks sphery. |
| [00:00:47] | CyberKnet: | you too B. :D |
| [00:01:04] | Beirdo: | no problem |
| [00:02:24] | sphery: | good luck |
| [00:04:57] | wagnerrp: | chutt still the only one with the keys to the mailing list? |
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| [00:08:23] | Beirdo: | not sure |
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| [00:15:39] | sphery: | Hmmm... Can't tell if this is jarring or not. I just wrote some code so that if you enter edit mode and then exit with Escape without changing anything, it doesn't ask if you want to save the cut list. That's good. |
| [00:16:14] | sphery: | However, to make it more robust than trying to maintain a "has the user changed something or not" flag, I'm comparing the cut list in memory to the one in the DB |
| [00:16:45] | wagnerrp: | sounds like what i do in the bindings |
| [00:16:48] | sphery: | So, in the event that you make multiple changes such that the end result is the same as the starting result, it doesn't prompt to save |
| [00:17:08] | wagnerrp: | store two copies |
| [00:17:14] | wagnerrp: | a current and an original |
| [00:17:19] | sphery: | so if the user doesn't remember or notice that the current state is identical to the saved state, they might think we're doing a bad thing |
| [00:17:21] | wagnerrp: | and only push the changes to the database on a commit |
| [00:17:24] | sphery: | when the end result is the same |
| [00:18:32] | sphery: | yeah, just trying to decide if users would figure it out |
| [00:19:03] | sphery: | or if they need it to be "if I made any changes to it--even if the end result is the same, ask if I want to save it" |
| [00:19:19] | wagnerrp: | maybe just pop up a dialog for 2 seconds |
| [00:19:23] | wagnerrp: | 'no changes, exiting' |
| [00:19:52] | sphery: | with that approach, it can't be a UX fix for 0.24 |
| [00:19:56] | sphery: | no new strings and all |
| [00:20:09] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [00:20:19] | sphery: | probably the best approach, though |
| [00:20:32] | sphery: | more difficult done than said, too |
| [00:21:11] | wagnerrp: | so ive decided... grounded mike is batsh-- crazy |
| [00:22:11] | sphery: | heh |
| [00:22:30] | sphery: | yeah, I'm wondering about his "tons of FTA now that I've dropped DirecTV" |
| [00:23:23] | sphery: | wonder whether it's really Free To Air or free from stealing |
| [00:23:46] | Beirdo: | free to a**holes |
| [00:24:06] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
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| [00:27:04] | CRU_: | Any know a cheap half height hdmi graphics card? |
| [00:27:11] | CRU_: | (that carries sound) |
| [00:27:37] | wagnerrp: | GT210 |
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| [00:28:02] | wagnerrp: | sphery: and whats with robert johnston replying to a post from back in may? |
| [00:28:53] | sphery: | heh, that May post was sent an hour ago |
| [00:29:19] | wagnerrp: | his clock horribly wrong? |
| [00:29:29] | sphery: | seems it |
| [00:29:32] | wagnerrp: | i dont seem to have received the original post |
| [00:30:05] | sphery: | oh, that may post is actually november in Europe |
| [00:30:17] | sphery: | 05/11/2010 = DD/MM/YYYY |
| [00:30:26] | wagnerrp: | ooohhh... |
| [00:30:54] | wagnerrp: | i thought he was from the US |
| [00:30:54] | sphery: | someone needs to tell him that the Internet is a US thing ;) |
| [00:31:10] | wagnerrp: | (the johnston one) |
| [00:31:30] | sphery: | could be... |
| [00:31:35] | CRU_: | wagnerrp: will the GT210 do hd ota no problem (I have a dual core processor about 3800 amd I think) to my tv at 1080i? |
| [00:31:40] | sphery: | might just be using the format because he likes to be different? |
| [00:32:17] | wagnerrp: | CRU_: the 210 will support the Xv, OpenGL, and VDPAU renderers just fine |
| [00:32:38] | wagnerrp: | and your 3800 X2 (2GHz) should be plenty for ATSC recordings |
| [00:32:56] | CRU_: | thanks. I have a 8400 but it only has dvi and want to be able to transfer surround sound (not just headphone jack to rca) |
| [00:33:11] | CRU_: | so i figured hdmi vid card should solve my prob..right? |
| [00:33:25] | CRU_: | (8400 geforce nvidia) |
| [00:33:29] | wagnerrp: | a GT2xx or better card is preferred |
| [00:33:56] | wagnerrp: | the 8 and 9 series cards would do SPDIF passthrough, but the GT cards have an HDA codec built in |
| [00:34:36] | CRU_: | ok. I noticed in my device manager the 8 series had HDA but no audio output on the device |
| [00:35:01] | CRU_: | I will shoot for the GT. Thanks a bunch wagnerrp That's a great help. |
| [00:36:13] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you think theres any harm in leaving this unprotected? http://mythtv.org/wiki/Template:User_Manual_TOC? |
| [00:36:46] | sphery: | don't know |
| [00:36:52] | sphery: | the rest is unprotected, right? |
| [00:37:08] | wagnerrp: | the rest? |
| [00:37:15] | wagnerrp: | the rest of the user manual? |
| [00:37:19] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its all unprotected |
| [00:37:20] | sphery: | yeah |
| [00:37:31] | sphery: | probably fine, then |
| [00:37:32] | wagnerrp: | i guess its not like we cant just roll it back |
| [00:37:51] | sphery: | I'd actually like to see the real HOWTO put in the wiki (uneditable) but with some way for users to add "notes in the margin" or whatever |
| [00:38:16] | wagnerrp: | well thats what the talk page would be fore |
| [00:38:35] | sphery: | yeah, but no one sees the talk pages |
| [00:39:03] | sphery: | more of a highlight on top of the official text that shows there are comments--maybe even off to the side |
| [00:39:18] | sphery: | probably not possible with wikis, but |
| [00:39:26] | sphery: | or even something like mysql docs |
| [00:39:40] | sphery: | though those are actually quite useless, really |
| [00:39:47] | sphery: | too many useless comments all at the bottom |
| [00:39:54] | sphery: | so, no, not like mysql docs... :) |
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| [01:34:57] | Beirdo: | Ahhh. GNR on the iPhone. Great way to relax :) |
| [01:35:48] | wagnerrp: | with three dog? |
| [01:35:56] | Beirdo: | ? |
| [01:36:05] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [01:36:11] | Beirdo: | out the craptacular builtin speaker |
| [01:36:53] | wagnerrp: | http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Galaxy_News_Radio_(radio) |
| [01:37:14] | Beirdo: | Guns N Roses, silly :) |
| [01:38:18] | wagnerrp: | for what its worth, your quad core would rape that dual opteron server |
| [01:38:31] | Beirdo: | I said comparable-ish |
| [01:38:31] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [01:38:51] | Beirdo: | 2 dual-core opteron is still decently beefy |
| [01:39:07] | Beirdo: | and is NOT massive overkill :) |
| [01:39:13] | wagnerrp: | ish... youve probably got a 75% speed advantage |
| [01:39:23] | Beirdo: | yeah :) I was being generous |
| [01:39:39] | wagnerrp: | i mean youve got 40% right out of the clock rate |
| [01:39:46] | wagnerrp: | plus its a much newer, more capable core |
| [01:39:49] | Beirdo: | and mine's HT |
| [01:39:59] | wagnerrp: | and something like 3x the memory throughput |
| [01:40:00] | Beirdo: | so it's presented as 8 cores |
| [01:40:04] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [01:40:10] | wagnerrp: | err... no |
| [01:40:31] | Beirdo: | to *Linux* it is presented as 8 CPUs |
| [01:40:46] | Beirdo: | you can use whatever terminology you want |
| [01:40:51] | wagnerrp: | hes got 4 channels at 3.2GBps each, youve got 2 at 8.5Gbps each |
| [01:40:52] | Beirdo: | I have CPU0–7 ;) |
| [01:41:03] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:41:10] | wagnerrp: | so only ~30–40% more bandwidth |
| [01:41:41] | Beirdo: | but heck, not a bad beast if he didn't pay way too much for it |
| [01:41:50] | wagnerrp: | certainly not |
| [01:42:25] | wagnerrp: | but... a tyan board, two 270s, and 4GB ECC Registered... |
| [01:42:39] | Beirdo: | he probably got bent over :) |
| [01:42:47] | wagnerrp: | throw in a rackmount case and redundant PSU, probably looking at a $2K server newly purchased |
| [01:43:18] | Beirdo: | likely |
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| [01:50:43] | sgsax: | ok, I have been going around and around trying to get the tv out to work on my nvidia geforce v7600 card |
| [01:50:50] | sgsax: | getting absolutely nowhere |
| [01:50:59] | sgsax: | any suggestions? |
| [01:51:13] | wagnerrp: | grab a monitor and mouse, plug it and the tv both in at the same time |
| [01:51:26] | wagnerrp: | use the nvidia-settings tool to force it to output on the TV |
| [01:51:27] | sgsax: | been doing that |
| [01:51:44] | sgsax: | "detect displays" does not detect the tv |
| [01:52:53] | wagnerrp: | heres the one ive got, change the BusID as needed |
| [01:53:03] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1983356 |
| [01:54:40] | wagnerrp: | you may also want to see this... http://gizmodo.com/5683000/ |
| [02:02:43] | Beirdo: | 2010-11–05 19:02:37.263 [h264 @ 0x7f46c4dd6180]mmco: unref short failure |
| [02:02:50] | Beirdo: | grrr, what IS this crap? |
| [02:02:54] | Beirdo: | it's now |
| [02:02:54] | sgsax: | wagnerrp: no good |
| [02:02:57] | Beirdo: | new rather |
| [02:03:04] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: the above link explains everything |
| [02:11:03] | Beirdo: | looks like I'll be silencing another ffmpeg spew message for a bit |
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| [02:13:22] | wagnerrp: | sounds like you havent seen that link yet |
| [02:13:49] | sgsax: | so who's jumping the shark? |
| [02:14:03] | wagnerrp: | superman |
| [02:16:06] | wagnerrp: | hehehe |
| [02:16:20] | wagnerrp: | 'a sandwich without meat isnt a sandwich, its just lonely bread' |
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| [02:32:38] | sgsax: | so any advice for my complete lack of tv out? |
| [02:33:17] | sgsax: | I swear I have tried 20 xorg.conf examples and not a one of them has worked |
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| [02:57:08] | bert_: | I cannot seem to get the lirc code listed in the mythgame wiki to work to exit sdlmame |
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| [03:08:39] | bert_: | I've made sure irexec is running, I copied the code exactly as it is in the wiki, I've even trie modifying it a bit (to use the Back/Exit button but it does nothing |
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| [03:12:42] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you use HDPVR? |
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| [03:16:10] | ** Beirdo screams ** | |
| [03:16:23] | Beirdo: | H.264 just will not play?! |
| [03:16:31] | wagnerrp: | nope, dont have one |
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| [03:17:42] | Beirdo: | correction.. so far it's ONLY the 1080i |
| [03:17:56] | Beirdo: | this is not making me happy |
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| [03:18:53] | Beirdo: | I'm gonna try something |
| [03:19:28] | [R]: | they just said this guy has been in jail for 10 years |
| [03:19:47] | [R]: | how the hell does it take 10 years to decide if this guy is guilty |
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| [03:20:55] | Beirdo: | #$@#$*#@$&#@(*$ |
| [03:21:01] | Beirdo: | it was my H.264 fix |
| [03:21:13] | Beirdo: | OK, let's reopen that stupid bug |
| [03:22:38] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [03:23:16] | Beirdo: | #9126 |
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| [03:23:52] | [R]: | breaking this is bad |
| [03:23:53] | [R]: | mkay |
| [03:23:56] | [R]: | things* |
| [03:24:00] | Beirdo: | shuddup |
| [03:24:02] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [03:24:07] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:24:15] | Beirdo: | I'm gonna have to break seektable rebuild again |
| [03:24:20] | Beirdo: | to fix the playback |
| [03:24:31] | Beirdo: | then figure out how to fix the seektable properly |
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| [03:29:43] | wagnerrp: | the local CBS techs are /awful/ |
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| [03:30:50] | CRU_: | Hey all...I am wanting to buy a video card that will transfer 5.1 sound from ota channels as well (via hdmi). Would the gt210 do that? |
| [03:31:34] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [03:31:44] | Beirdo: | if your TV will do 5.1 over the HDMI |
| [03:31:51] | Beirdo: | mine doesn't at the moment |
| [03:32:11] | CRU_: | wagnerrp: yeah, I have my lcd tv connected via digital output cable to my s.s. system |
| [03:32:20] | CRU_: | woops, meant beirdo |
| [03:32:42] | CRU_: | wagnerrp: would I need the ALSA to have it run? |
| [03:33:33] | Beirdo: | you will need ALSA 1.0.23 (I think) |
| [03:34:31] | Beirdo: | anyways, I gotta go bury my head in this broken code again |
| [03:34:45] | sgsax: | <sigh>, looks like I may need to downgrade to ubuntu 10.04 |
| [03:34:46] | wagnerrp: | i dont remember what version |
| [03:35:04] | wagnerrp: | but any ALSA in the past 1.5–2 years should be sufficient |
| [03:35:09] | sgsax: | seems there may be a compatibility problem with xorg in 10.10 with the nvidia driver |
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| [03:53:16] | Beirdo: | OK, got this fixed |
| [03:53:32] | Beirdo: | WHEW |
| [03:53:57] | Beirdo: | just doing one more test rebuild and one more test playback before committing |
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| [03:57:13] | Beirdo: | yay |
| [03:57:27] | Beirdo: | tried playback of 480i, 720p, 1080i |
| [03:57:29] | Beirdo: | all work |
| [03:57:37] | Beirdo: | and rebuilding seektable is working |
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| [04:00:16] | arriflex: | I'm having trouble with playback. Certain atsc recordings, not all, play back at strange skippy speeds looking like 2x and have messed up audio sync. |
| [04:00:25] | arriflex: | What logs should I start with? |
| [04:00:42] | Beirdo: | sounds most like bad signal to me at first |
| [04:01:13] | Beirdo: | frontend logs are likely best |
| [04:01:15] | arriflex: | that's interesting, it would be isolated to certain channels then... |
| [04:01:31] | arriflex: | I'll see if it's only happening on certain channels |
| [04:01:47] | arriflex: | frontend logs are telling me I've got problems with buffering. |
| [04:02:44] | arriflex: | sorry, prebuffering pauses |
| [04:05:27] | arriflex: | That's strange, mythfrontend.log doesn't have anything since yesterday... |
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| [04:14:04] | arriflex: | Thanks Beirdo! It appears to be isolated to a single channel. |
| [04:14:21] | arriflex: | Now I have to figure out why. |
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| [04:20:25] | Beirdo: | good luck :) |
| [04:20:40] | Beirdo: | antennas are fickle pieces of crap |
| [04:23:06] | arriflex: | Doesn't make sense thought, I'm looking at the HDHomeRun Config page for that channel, it looks great. |
| [04:23:25] | arriflex: | 95% Strength, 100% quality |
| [04:23:53] | Beirdo: | signal quality when recording may not be the same though |
| [04:24:03] | Beirdo: | it can even vary by time of day |
| [04:24:16] | arriflex: | True... |
| [04:24:42] | arriflex: | I'll keep looking for problems with it. thanks again |
| [04:24:51] | Beirdo: | no prob |
| [04:25:17] | Beirdo: | it's also possible that the encoder on the far end of that channel's doing something stupid too |
| [04:25:34] | Beirdo: | but signal quality's the common issue with that kind of issue with OTA |
| [04:28:02] | arriflex: | It seems like something special is happening to the file to corrupt playback on that channel. |
| [04:28:36] | arriflex: | Is there a way to examine codecs on one of these files? |
| [04:28:45] | [R]: | arriflex: ffmpeg |
| [04:29:10] | arriflex: | K. Thanks |
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| [04:49:11] | arriflex: | K. The only difference I see between a 'good' file and a 'bad' one is the audio bitrate is 256k on the bad one and 192k on the good one. |
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| [04:58:45] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: more tv than there are hours of the day? |
| [04:58:49] | wagnerrp: | what all are you recording? |
| [04:58:53] | wagnerrp: | bunch of sports? |
| [04:59:02] | Beirdo: | far too much prime time |
| [04:59:15] | Beirdo: | plus all the Scrubs you can possibly watch... :) |
| [04:59:18] | Beirdo: | etc. |
| [04:59:47] | Beirdo: | it's recording 4 shows right now |
| [05:00:06] | Beirdo: | CSI: NY, The Good Guys, Law & Order: UK, The League |
| [05:04:07] | wagnerrp: | theres really only 3hrs of primetime on four major networks |
| [05:04:18] | wagnerrp: | you might pick up another few shows on one of the cable networks |
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| [05:04:29] | Beirdo: | right. so that's 12h right there :) |
| [05:04:39] | wagnerrp: | and unless youre following sphery rules, most of the primetime shows are crap anyway |
| [05:04:43] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:04:56] | Beirdo: | yeah, but I record a lot of them anyways |
| [05:05:03] | Beirdo: | plus other fun stuff |
| [05:07:27] | Beirdo: | crud |
| [05:07:33] | Beirdo: | Fringe... 0B |
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| [05:09:07] | wagnerrp: | heh, bummer |
| [05:09:23] | Beirdo: | delete and re-record... sigh |
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| [05:10:45] | arriflex: | Sorry, I went offline, wagnerrp and Beirdo, was that at me? |
| [05:11:00] | Beirdo: | no, it wasn't |
| [05:11:42] | arriflex: | is there a possibility that something in my hdmi chain doesn't like the 256k audio and is choking on it? |
| [05:12:12] | arriflex: | Should I try using analog audio instead? |
| [05:12:31] | Beirdo: | I guess you could try. I'm not an expert on the audio :) |
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| [05:13:20] | arriflex: | I had just switched to a new vid card that could do vdpau for me, and get the audio into the one hdmi cable (waf points) |
| [05:13:37] | arriflex: | thinking this might have something to do with that. |
| [05:14:50] | Beirdo: | give you something else to look at in your frontend logs |
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| [05:18:43] | arriflex: | just fills up with WriteAudio: buffer underrun once it plays a 'bad' file. |
| [05:19:00] | arriflex: | from what I've read that could mean a million things. |
| [05:21:20] | Beirdo: | you might find something useful running the frontend with -v audio |
| [05:21:37] | Beirdo: | or maybe not ;) |
| [05:23:03] | arriflex: | what is -v audio? |
| [05:23:57] | arriflex: | verbose? |
| [05:23:59] | Beirdo: | options for mythfrontend to change verbosity |
| [05:24:16] | wagnerrp: | 37" 1080p Vizio (refurb), $340 on woot |
| [05:24:38] | Beirdo: | wonder if it turns itself on every week like my 22" Vizio |
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| [05:25:35] | bcgrown: | mythtv hangs half way through ripping some dvds... can anyone recommend an alternate program? |
| [05:25:46] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt rip dvds |
| [05:26:03] | bcgrown: | wagnerrp: What does the "Import DVD" option do then? |
| [05:26:08] | Beirdo: | !url lmgtfy dvd ripping software |
| [05:26:08] | MythLogBot: | lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=dvd%20ripping%20software |
| [05:26:26] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt exist on sufficiently new version of mythtv |
| [05:26:31] | bcgrown: | oh :( |
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| [05:26:34] | bcgrown: | why not? |
| [05:26:44] | bcgrown: | Beirdo: thanks, but I know how to use Google. |
| [05:26:57] | wagnerrp: | it needed significant reworking to be made current and properly functional again |
| [05:27:07] | wagnerrp: | and there wasnt time in time for 0.24 |
| [05:27:10] | bcgrown: | ah |
| [05:27:18] | Beirdo: | rrrrrriiiiipppp! |
| [05:27:31] | wagnerrp: | it was removed with a possibility of a return |
| [05:27:32] | bcgrown: | that's sad but i can understand it's probably not in high demand |
| [05:27:33] | ugliefrog: | I cant hear sound in live tv or playback through mythtv....When I find the file on the hard drive the sound works fine....help |
| [05:28:26] | Beirdo: | ugliefrog: sounds like you need to setup your audio in myth |
| [05:29:23] | ugliefrog: | Beirdo, you mean in the utlities/setup?... |
| [05:29:35] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [05:30:06] | ugliefrog: | Beirdo, I went through the different settings ...no change |
| [05:31:27] | Beirdo: | I dunno. |
| [05:34:27] | arriflex: | Beirdo, nice one. -v audio revealed this: |
| [05:34:29] | arriflex: | AudioOutputALSA::GetSupportedRates opening plughw:1,7 |
| [05:34:41] | arriflex: | AO: Sample rate 192000 is supported |
| [05:34:58] | arriflex: | But that was the end, nothing about higher bit rates! |
| [05:35:05] | arriflex: | doh |
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| [05:44:54] | arriflex: | those audio rates are being provided by the nvidia audio driver if I'm using the audio driver on a geforce 210? |
| [05:45:58] | Beirdo: | I should think so |
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| [05:55:28] | Beirdo: | Well, I think I'll go to bed |
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| [06:26:18] | arriflex: | Yup, I verified that if I switch to alsa:analog, recordings from the 'bad' channel plays back fine |
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| [09:16:24] | k-man: | i have a seved search, how can i record anything that matches the saved search? |
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| [10:35:43] | k-man: | is there some way to increase the font size of subtitles? |
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| [13:57:38] | frederik1986: | hi all |
| [13:57:48] | frederik1986: | i just installed mythtv 0.24 on ubuntu maverick |
| [13:58:10] | frederik1986: | i installed the mythmusic plugins , but it doesn't show up in the menu |
| [13:58:40] | frederik1986: | i know 0.24 is still testing fase , but tought the rc2 should be more stable |
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| [15:20:34] | toeb: | hi, im using blue-abstract theme |
| [15:21:05] | toeb: | and when i start mythmusic i see some xml parse errors: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/X2bsP6rY |
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| [15:21:42] | toeb: | and it is really hard to read anything in mythmusic |
| [15:26:11] | rsiebert: | the theme uses DejaVu Sans |
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| [15:26:17] | rsiebert: | you need to have this font intalled |
| [15:26:59] | rsiebert: | you can change the font used in the base.xml theme |
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| [15:28:10] | kenni: | frederik1986: You use the autobuilds, right? Seems like the build from yesterday was wrong, the mythmusic package are missing a lot of files |
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| [15:37:16] | toeb: | rsiebert: thx |
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| [15:39:33] | toeb: | rsiebert: i checked for the font and it is installed in /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSans* |
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| [15:56:08] | justifier: | is there a remote that doesnt use IR and will work with mythtv easily. i have an emprex one, which requires a kernel patch and rebuild to work, don't ideally want to have to do that. |
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| [16:14:19] | toeb: | justifier: have a look at the users mailinglist there is a lot of discussion about remotes lately... |
| [16:14:27] | toeb: | especially cheap ones |
| [16:15:08] | toeb: | and from what i heard the ps3 remote seems to work fine, it uses bluetooth |
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| [16:18:07] | justifier: | toeb, thanks |
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| [17:10:22] | jams: | sphery- you about? |
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| [17:55:07] | regomodo: | Hi, does flash64bit work with mythtv? |
| [17:55:28] | wagnerrp: | i think you need a recent version of qt for that |
| [17:55:46] | regomodo: | Even if I use opengl? |
| [17:55:59] | wagnerrp: | what does opengl have to do with flash? |
| [17:56:20] | regomodo: | Err, i'm not sure what qt has to do with flash. |
| [17:56:37] | regomodo: | There's an option to use qt or opengl in mythtv, right? |
| [17:56:52] | wagnerrp: | qt-webkit supplies our web browser framework |
| [17:57:16] | wagnerrp: | qt is built into everything pertaining to mythtv |
| [17:57:24] | regomodo: | Ah, ok. Qt-webkit has no issues with that. |
| [17:57:36] | regomodo: | I'm talking about mythnetvision |
| [17:58:05] | wagnerrp: | mythnetvision loads pages using mythbrowser, which is based on qt-webkit |
| [17:58:11] | regomodo: | hmm |
| [17:59:06] | RDV_Linux: | regomodo: I use flash 64bit with MythBrowser and Netvision sucessfully |
| [17:59:50] | regomodo: | RDV_Linux: where does mythtv look for the flash.so? |
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| [18:00:51] | RDV_Linux: | regomodo: I am on Ubuntu 10.10 and her is the location /usr/lib/libvisual-0.4/morph/morph_flash.so |
| [18:00:54] | regomodo: | I have the latest installed on my box but mythnetvision shows a blank when a vid is loaded |
| [18:01:18] | RDV_Linux: | regomodo: Which grabber? |
| [18:02:09] | regomodo: | grabber? |
| [18:02:34] | wagnerrp: | yes, are you only using those that shipped with mythtv? or did you add in extras from the web page? |
| [18:02:46] | RDV_Linux: | regomodo: When I upgraded to Ubuntu 10.10 I noticed that happened with a few grabbers while others were OK. What target site (e.g. BBC, Hulu ...) |
| [18:03:00] | regomodo: | Oh, youtube, vimeo. |
| [18:03:14] | regomodo: | They worked with the 32bit flash. |
| [18:03:30] | RDV_Linux: | regomodo: Just a second and I will check if it is working for me. |
| [18:03:41] | regomodo: | I'm on 10.10 for what it's worth |
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| [18:10:01] | RDV_Linux: | regomodo: Yes same issue here. That started when I upgraded to Ubuntu 10.10 a few days ago. I have not tried to track down the issue yet. Try Movie trailers and PBS they should work and at least confirm that your Flash plugin is fine. |
| [18:10:32] | regomodo: | Ok, thought my flash install was bad (from a ppa) |
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| [18:11:48] | RDV_Linux: | regomodo: Test it first to confirm. Some grabbers (e.g. Technology) are broken due to source web site changes. I have it on my todo list to fix them. |
| [18:12:38] | regomodo: | I'll give those 2 a try |
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| [18:27:56] | regomodo: | RDV_Linux: don;t know how to get to those 2 but i've tried blip and I get the blue dice/square in the place of the vid |
| [18:28:03] | regomodo: | Assume that means a missing pluginm |
| [18:32:11] | RDV_Linux: | regomodo: You need to subscribe to them like any other MNV grabber. Use PBS as the search and Browse will be the same. Note that they are only in 0.24/trunk but I throught you had already written you were using that version. |
| [18:32:17] | regomodo: | OT; why does mythtv not have a thumbnail creator via something like ffmpegthumbnailer? |
| [18:32:44] | regomodo: | I couldn't find them in the list |
| [18:34:05] | regomodo: | Only see blip, vimeo, youtube, dailymotion and 1 other that I forget |
| [18:38:45] | regomodo: | Found tmdb. That just redirects to youtube for each result |
| [18:39:00] | regomodo: | ..if the url isn't malformed |
| [18:40:05] | RDV_Linux: | THe TMDB was removed from 0.24 as it was replaced by Movie Trailers grabber. THe TMDB was the first test grabber and only gets youtube movie trailers listed on TMDB. |
| [18:40:31] | RDV_Linux: | regomodo: Seems like you are still using MythTV 0.23 |
| [18:41:28] | regomodo: | That'd explain it |
| [18:44:09] | RDV_Linux: | regomodo: I get that blank screen on all the old 0.23 MNV grabbers. Not sure what to suggest as I have not done an investigation as of yet. |
| [18:46:26] | regomodo: | ok, i'm seeing what the difference in symlinks of the plugins between flash32 and flash64 |
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| [19:06:45] | regomodo: | No idea what mythtv is looking at. Practically everything points to the shared object /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so |
| [19:07:08] | regomodo: | Look in /etc/alternatives/ for all the other symlinks |
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| [19:07:56] | regomodo: | If I remove /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so and make that a symlink to the 64bit .so mythtv stops playing flashvids, because of a nsplugin issue |
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| [19:12:39] | Doug_Meredith: | Hi folks. I'm having some display weirdness. I'm setting up an Acer Aspire Revo frontend with an LG 47" LCD TV. This PC works with a different TV. On the LG the TV says no signal shortly after the Mythbuntu logo shows. But If I (blindly) play a recording, the TV shows it. Exit the recording and the TV loses the signal again. |
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| [19:15:38] | Doug_Meredith: | I'm using the NVidia proprietary drivers and Mythbuntu 10.10 |
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| [19:19:39] | regomodo: | grepped the mythnetvision source, nsplugin isn't mentioned anywhere. |
| [19:20:20] | regomodo: | I'm out of ideas as my experimental qt-webkit browser works fine with 64bit flash |
| [19:21:44] | Chiwauwa: | I've upgraded my MythBuntu from 10.04 to 10.10 – went pretty well besides from the fact that the frontend application isn't started at startup. I've tried disable/enable it in the MythbuntuControlCenter ... didn't work – but an entry is shown and enabled at the session/startup application screen. I can start the frontend by writing mythfrontend at the command line ... adding an entry with this in the session/startup applications does not work. Any |
| [19:21:44] | Chiwauwa: | suggestions? I use 'auto' login if that makes any difference. |
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| [19:22:36] | RDV_Linux: | regomodo: Check the MythTV user mailing list. I thought I saw someone downgrade the flash player. Other than that I have not done my own investigation. Usually I check the Netvision URL in Firefox to see if ot has the same issue. |
| [19:22:42] | regomodo: | Just tried on my gentoo box and 64bit flash works fine with myth0.2.3.1 and netvision |
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| [19:23:50] | regomodo: | I don't think it's a netvision issue exactly, it's a ubuntu config issue i'd say. I'm going to check to see if gentoo are patch netvision |
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| [19:25:50] | regomodo: | Nope, they don't patch it. I'm out of ideas and hungry. |
| [19:26:02] | RDV_Linux: | regomodo: Your comment should be rephrased as a MythBrowser problem as Netvision never plays flash. Being a bit of a stickler but says as much in the wiki when discussing flash playback. |
| [19:26:37] | regomodo: | ok, i'll have a search there instead |
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| [19:27:08] | RDV_Linux: | regomodo: As I mentioned check the users mailing list |
| [19:28:35] | regomodo: | I might check them out but over the years ml's have really tested my patience |
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| [19:29:24] | RDV_Linux: | regomodo: I think it mentioned this problem with 10.10 so that is why I mentioned it. |
| [19:29:41] | regomodo: | ok. I'l check it out. Cheers |
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| [19:44:24] | flohack: | Hi! Can someone please help me? I'm using mythmusic and since the upgrade from 0.21 to 0.23 (lucid) the sound output from mythmusic stutters. It's only mythmusic though, TV recordings are just fine. Playback from mplayer on the command line is perfectly fine as well. I have tried various sound output settings and upgraded to the 0.23 version from http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/mythtv_0.23 |
| [19:45:05] | wagnerrp: | are you using ubuntu or mythbuntu? |
| [19:45:42] | flohack: | mythbuntu on the frontend and ubuntu on the backend, but what difference would that make? the mythtv version is the same isn't it? |
| [19:46:03] | wagnerrp: | mythtv, yes... but the OS, no |
| [19:46:13] | wagnerrp: | ubuntu uses pulseaudio, mythbuntu comes with that stripped out |
| [19:46:38] | flohack: | wagnerrp: Oh, sound output is directly to ALSA |
| [19:46:54] | wagnerrp: | if you have pulseaudio installed, it will wrap itself around alsa |
| [19:47:11] | wagnerrp: | even if it appears you are outputting to alsa, it sits as a translation later |
| [19:47:13] | wagnerrp: | layer |
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| [19:48:08] | flohack: | wagnerrp: I ran 'pulseaudio -k' before starting mythtv, but I just uninstalled it now. I'll try again. |
| [19:50:15] | flohack: | wagnerrp: uninstalling pulseaudio did not help unfortunately. I even tried resetting all the frontend settings by running ''delete from settings where hostname = ...' |
| [19:52:40] | flohack: | wagnerrp: Didn't mythtv switch the mp3 library between 0.21 and 0.23? I had issues with ID3 tags as well. Could that be the cause? |
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| [20:03:51] | flohack: | Any other ideas what the issue with mythmusic could be? |
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| [20:33:33] | jams: | so mythbackend refuses to start when there are no caputure cards defined? |
| [20:34:16] | jams: | or video sources |
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| [20:36:25] | jams: | so whats the thought process behind that idea |
| [20:36:30] | jams: | other then to annoy you |
| [20:39:56] | Beirdo: | the thought process is: you haven't properly configured it yet |
| [20:40:34] | jams: | well it's annoying |
| [20:40:44] | jams: | i don't care if capture cards are defined or not |
| [20:40:53] | bjd: | mm, what if you just wanted to watch videos/recordings/whatever |
| [20:41:33] | jams: | well apparently you have to configure dummy cards and dummy inputs |
| [20:41:40] | bjd: | aha |
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| [20:42:29] | jams: | it's super annoying and is just one more hoop for me to jump though |
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| [20:48:45] | jams: | think i will just patch that check right on out |
| [20:49:00] | Beirdo: | uh huh. |
| [20:49:14] | Beirdo: | or you could just configure it with a dummy source, and move on |
| [20:49:57] | jams: | already did that, but that check just gets in the way of my install process where cards are not needed,just a backend |
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| [20:50:47] | Beirdo: | if there are no cards, there is no need for a backend |
| [20:55:00] | jams: | tell that to a frontend when it can't connect to a backend and just keeps popping up that error msg |
| [20:55:42] | pheld: | Is there a way to restrict which channels the backend is maintaining EPG data for? |
| [20:55:57] | Beirdo: | anyways, the setup stuff is all getting redone. |
| [20:56:28] | pheld: | it's not much point keeping data for channels other than the visible ones |
| [20:56:50] | jams: | sure,just saying it's annoying and should be removed when it gets redone =) |
| [20:57:19] | jams: | and other handcuff a user and drag them to the water type ideas |
| [20:58:25] | Beirdo: | figuring the scheduler, etc are planned to be split apart, I expect it will all get revisited |
| [20:59:27] | jams: | just seems like the orig spirit of mythtv is rapidly disappearing |
| [21:00:10] | Beirdo: | ummm, what you are asking for isn't the original spirit of mythtv |
| [21:00:18] | Beirdo: | it was meant for recording TV |
| [21:00:26] | Beirdo: | no card, no recording, no backend |
| [21:01:10] | wagnerrp: | jams: mythtv is designed to record TV, if you arent going to be recording TV, you shouldnt be using mythtv |
| [21:01:12] | wagnerrp: | simple as that |
| [21:01:34] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: I can see it for during upgrades when transitioning from one backend to another |
| [21:01:39] | Beirdo: | but that's about it |
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| [21:02:04] | Beirdo: | having a slave with no cards makes some sense as it may already have a buttload of recordings |
| [21:02:35] | at0m: | or spare cycles |
| [21:03:01] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: yeah, existing as a file server is the only purpose currently to have a tunerless backend |
| [21:03:15] | Beirdo: | the only one I can think of, yeah |
| [21:03:28] | Beirdo: | you can already run the jobqueue on other non-backend boxes |
| [21:05:46] | jams: | wagnerrp- yes i know what mythtv was designed for, you don't have to give the corporate line |
| [21:06:27] | Beirdo: | you were the one saying it's diverting from what it was designed for :) |
| [21:06:44] | jams: | no i said the spirit of it |
| [21:06:57] | wagnerrp: | thats not the corporate line, its just simple fact that at current, there are far simpler tools available to use if you dont intend to record tv |
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| [21:07:28] | wagnerrp: | so if you insist on using a more complicated program, youre going to have to go through some hoops to make it work |
| [21:08:01] | wagnerrp: | the eventual plan for 0.25 and 0.26 is to make mythbackend a general purpose media server, with access through storage groups and upnp |
| [21:08:20] | wagnerrp: | but for now, it primarily exists to record and store tv |
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| [21:14:18] | smudgeblot: | Hey guys...I had a question. I'm wanting to change the background on arclight to a new png, but when I try to copy the png into the folder, it says Permission denied. What do I need to do (should I change the rights of the folder or will that screw something up?) |
| [21:15:25] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you know power search well? |
| [21:16:34] | wagnerrp: | nope, never really used it |
| [21:16:42] | Beirdo: | K |
| [21:16:48] | Beirdo: | sphery: you in? :) |
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| [21:25:45] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: if we intend to go forward with splitting up mythbackend, we really need to library-ize the server portion of the protocol |
| [21:25:50] | wagnerrp: | or switch to something like protobug |
| [21:25:51] | wagnerrp: | buf |
| [21:25:58] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [21:26:01] | Beirdo: | agreed |
| [21:28:23] | Beirdo: | OK, I need a break |
| [21:30:11] | wagnerrp: | bah... superglue is hard all the way down the stem |
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| [21:31:02] | wagnerrp: | scratch that, the whole tube is hard |
| [21:42:36] | Beirdo: | heh, oops |
| [21:43:34] | Beirdo: | ahhh, beard needed trimming |
| [21:44:54] | smudgeblot: | Anyone have trouble viewing the preview video of the channel while in Arclight UI? |
| [21:45:07] | smudgeblot: | it starts to show it and then just pulls up a png |
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| [21:51:09] | strex: | so I know mythnetvision on .23 is working ok, but when I browse -> Manage site subscriptions. I get a blank page. permissions for the .py scripts look good. any suggestions on what I'm missing? |
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| [22:09:41] | wagnerrp: | 2TB samsungs on newegg for $80 |
| [22:12:10] | k-man: | is there some way to increase the font size of subtitles in mythvideo? |
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| [22:12:38] | k-man: | wagnerrp: damn thats cheap |
| [22:13:00] | wagnerrp: | they were $60, but the coupon code expired |
| [22:13:20] | Beirdo: | how much of that is MIR? |
| [22:13:28] | wagnerrp: | $0 |
| [22:13:32] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [22:16:42] | wagnerrp: | k-man: looks like setup-->tv settings-->playback osd |
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| [22:37:37] | Chiwauwa: | I'm still struggeling with this autostart of mythfrontend after upgrading to 10.10. I've checked mythtv.desktop, tried to remove the '--service', cleared the cache, enabled save session at logout. Any suggestions on what to try next? |
| [22:38:04] | wagnerrp: | this is a dedicated frontend? |
| [22:38:59] | Chiwauwa: | yes |
| [22:39:34] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_Auto_Login#inittab |
| [22:39:37] | Chiwauwa: | and it has worked in the past and it still works 'flawlessly' after the upgrade except for the startup issue. |
| [22:39:55] | wagnerrp: | disable XDM, uninstall gnome, xfce, whatever |
| [22:39:59] | wagnerrp: | add that line to your inittab |
| [22:40:08] | Chiwauwa: | I'll check ... thanks |
| [22:40:33] | wagnerrp: | set up your login shell so that if you log in on terminal 7, it runs 'startx' |
| [22:40:53] | wagnerrp: | and set up your .xinitrc so when you run startx, it runs some minimal window manager and mythfrontend |
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| [22:41:46] | wagnerrp: | actually |
| [22:41:56] | wagnerrp: | you need to see the bit lower for using UpStart |
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| [22:47:34] | Chiwauwa: | wagnerrp: I understand that removing those items that you mention might be an optimization of the system ... but for me, with the kind of experience that I have with Linux, it might be a sub optimization ... but I'm looking into it. |
| [22:48:22] | wagnerrp: | basically, the inittab/upstart stuff will cause one of the text terminals to automatically log into the mythtv user |
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| [22:48:43] | wagnerrp: | the .bash_profile will cause the mythtv user to automatically start X |
| [22:48:57] | wagnerrp: | and the .xinitrc will cause X to automatically start mythfrontend |
| [22:49:20] | wagnerrp: | should any of those fail along the way, it will drop back to the terminal, and the terminal manager will start the auto-login loop again |
| [22:49:20] | Chiwauwa: | wagnerrp, I have the auto login feature working it is 'just the last part of starting mythfrontend. |
| [22:49:23] | Chiwauwa: | I see |
| [22:49:57] | wagnerrp: | should that fail repeatedly over a short time, governors will kick in and terminate the auto-login loop |
| [22:59:27] | Chiwauwa: | wagnerrp, reading ... before I begin this I guess I have to disable the auto login created by MythbuntuControlCenter? |
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| [23:00:12] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, the autologin in MCC is going things the 'hard way' |
| [23:00:32] | wagnerrp: | theyre invoking GDM and all sorts of other complications to manage it |
| [23:00:43] | wagnerrp: | which a couple of scripts and config files will do just fine |
| [23:01:30] | wagnerrp: | you can ask in #mythbuntu what the proper way of getting that working is |
| [23:05:00] | Chiwauwa: | wagnerrp, I see your point |
| [23:07:33] | Chiwauwa: | That is the nice thing about Linux ... when you know ... then it makes sense and it is relatively straight forward ... but if you dont ;-) |
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| [23:08:35] | m4xx: | is there an ivtv help channel? |
| [23:08:56] | wagnerrp: | maybe #ivtv, or #linuxtv |
| [23:09:13] | m4xx: | nice =] |
| [23:09:23] | m4xx: | i checked ivtv, not linuxtv ;] |
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| [23:19:31] | Chiwauwa: | wagnerrp, I have decided that I will try to get the existing (with GDM) to work and then try out the more 'simple' approach, when I have it working |
| [23:21:48] | m4xx: | anyone running a wintv hvr 1600 and/or care to help me get the analog half of the card working? |
| [23:22:14] | wagnerrp: | m4xx: what is it doing or not doing? |
| [23:22:24] | m4xx: | all channels show static |
| [23:22:46] | wagnerrp: | there are two inputs for that card, one analog and one digital |
| [23:22:52] | wagnerrp: | you have coax going into both? |
| [23:23:11] | m4xx: | i only see one coax input |
| [23:23:16] | m4xx: | the other one says tv |
| [23:23:35] | m4xx: | though i have tried having the cable on both |
| [23:24:02] | wagnerrp: | you have this card? http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1600.html |
| [23:25:45] | m4xx: | that's the card, but i'm not sure those labels are right, the larger leg says atsc next to it. |
| [23:26:06] | wagnerrp: | theyre certainly correct |
| [23:26:10] | m4xx: | actually |
| [23:26:16] | wagnerrp: | the large shield is for the analog tuner |
| [23:26:21] | wagnerrp: | the small shield is for the digital tuner |
| [23:26:33] | m4xx: | the larger one on mine is in the middle of the card |
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| [23:26:55] | m4xx: | where as in that picture, it's on the outside |
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| [23:30:51] | wagnerrp: | it has HVR-1600 actually printed somewhere on the board? |
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| [23:31:29] | m4xx: | says it on the box it came in |
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| [23:34:08] | ]Oscar: | I'm trying to add some cover to video collection. I noticed that with the "File Browse mode" active, if I add the cover (with the "W" key), the record in the DB is duplicated. Disabling the "File Brose mode" seems to have a new file. The new with cover, and the old without. But on the filesystem there is just 1 file... |
| [23:34:22] | ]Oscar: | It's a feature or a little bug? |
| [23:35:18] | wagnerrp: | more likely a bug |
| [23:35:33] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to use 'file browse' mode anyway |
| [23:36:06] | ]Oscar: | yes, i dont' know why it was... :( |
| [23:36:29] | wagnerrp: | file browse mode means its working off the local filesystem snapshot, rather than the database |
| [23:36:52] | ]Oscar: | also with the "scan for changes" does not "clean" the DB.. : |
| [23:36:53] | wagnerrp: | that means it takes considerably longer to load since it has to walk the filesystem each time |
| [23:36:54] | ]Oscar: | :( |
| [23:37:18] | wagnerrp: | and matching metadata to database entries is apparently flaky |
| [23:37:19] | m4xx: | i've got a cable going into both inputs, still nothing but static =[ |
| [23:37:41] | wagnerrp: | 'scan for changes' will remove any videos it cannot find in your storage folder |
| [23:37:54] | ]Oscar: | I supposed that... |
| [23:38:09] | wagnerrp: | but as mentioned, 'file browse mode' works off the filesystem, not the database |
| [23:38:13] | wagnerrp: | so scan for changes does nothing |
| [23:38:24] | ]Oscar: | I think I must look inside DB to find duplicated file names... |
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| [23:41:03] | ]Oscar: | something like "SELECT count( filename ) , filename |
| [23:41:03] | ]Oscar: | FROM `videometadata` |
| [23:41:03] | ]Oscar: | GROUP BY filename |
| [23:41:03] | ]Oscar: | ORDER BY count( filename ) DESC" |
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| [23:46:24] | m4xx: | i see this in /var/log/messages: kernel: [17605.445038] tuner 3–0061: tuner type not set |
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| [23:50:38] | k_ross_: | hey everyone, so i was able to try my experiment comparing commercial flagging accuracy between 0.23.1 and 0.24-fixes. i tried it on a single 30-minute episode that 0.24 didn't flag particularly well. i moved that file onto a fresh 0.23.1 install in a VM, manually inserted a row into the recorded table for it, and ran mythcommflag. it resulted in perfect accuracy |
| [23:51:28] | k_ross_: | is there anything i can do in 0.24 to get back to this level of accuracy? should i file a bug? |
| [23:54:08] | wagnerrp: | how is the accuracy off? |
| [23:54:22] | wagnerrp: | i mean are the points just bad? are they off by a few frames? |
| [23:54:23] | k_ross_: | in 0.24 it misses some commercials |
| [23:54:38] | k_ross_: | i can show the output of --getskiplist if you like |
| [23:54:53] | wagnerrp: | sure |
| [23:54:58] | wagnerrp: | pastebin, not in here |
| [23:55:23] | k_ross_: | --getskiplist returns a single row of data |
| [23:59:23] | k_ross_: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/VqzwyN5q |
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