Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, November 3rd, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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JEDIDIAH__:

he might be able to get a free X server for windows that doesn't require cygwin.

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ByteChanger:

ah, thanks. i'll check.

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wagnerrp:

there are old free versions of XMing, or you can get a modern 'free' version by donating

[00:01:13]

sphery:

is it Free, but costs money

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iamlindoro:

Like MythTV .25

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sphery:

or free-of-charge, but they really want donations

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** sphery will take Free over free-of-charge any day **

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wagnerrp:

but all the other ones i know of (exceed, xwin32) are payware

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** JEDIDIAH__ agrees **

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JEDIDIAH__:

Free means I can make my own fixes.

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sphery:

yeah

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JEDIDIAH__:

Free is forever

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sphery:

or make it work on your system, even if you choose not to run Red Hat or Ubuntu

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stuartm:

what else is there besides Ubuntu? :p

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wagnerrp:

kubuntu

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sphery:

zoobuntu

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sphery:

oh, wait, that's xubuntu

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wagnerrp:

i think theres some stripped down version of ubuntu called debian

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

so, I can't figure out the licensing for Xming... "When released Public Domain, Xming can be distributed and used without restriction. "

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stuartm:

stripped down and retro because it only comes with software from last year

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clever:

JEDIDIAH__: lately ive been installing andlinux to get xming, its a full ubuntu install that doesnt use VM to run linux alongside windows

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wagnerrp:

so... colinux

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clever:

wagnerrp: yep

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wagnerrp:

i didnt think that worked on 64-bit

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clever:

once the xhosts file is edited, i can just turn colinux off and use a real linux box elsewhere in the house

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clever:

ive onnly used it on 32bit

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clever:

andlinux is mostly just a bundle, colinux+xming+pulseaudio (win32build), with some helpers app on windows and a pre-configured ubuntu root image

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clever:

ive run a transcoding slave on it before

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clever:

but it lacks shm, so it cant do video at all

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ColdFyre:

what exactly is the reason myth does not support pulse?

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smudgeblot:

Hey guys, I had a question. I am wanting to add a Hulu button to the mainmenu.xml but I can't figure out how to edit it (read only)

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smudgeblot:

when I try chmod a+rw on it it says operation not permitted

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kormoc:

ColdFyre, We require deeper access to the sound hardware then pulse lets us have. It causes sync issues during playback (think sound playing much slower then video), and gives a bad user experience

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wagnerrp:

ColdFyre: first, 0.24 now has official support for pulse, not well, but it works

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, still doesn't work with time stretching right?

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wagnerrp:

what kormoc was talking about, pulseaudio does not have good support for maintaining audio sync

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: dont know about that, but i think someone said it only did 2.0 for now

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wagnerrp:

ColdFyre: pulseaudio just does nothing interesting for mythtv's purposes

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wagnerrp:

the only reason to even consider support is because various distros are forcing it upon us

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wagnerrp:

for that matter, pulseaudio does nothing interesting for most purposes

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ColdFyre:

for me, it's just the managing the audio, it was easiest to "get 5.1 sound working"

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wagnerrp:

5.1 works just fine in alsa

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wagnerrp:

and passthrough actually works in alsa

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wagnerrp:

pulseaudio refuses to support it

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wagnerrp:

and really due to their design, they cant

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smudgeblot:

Anyone know how to change the Menu Interface (order of buttons, etc) for MythTv? What document do I edit?

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wagnerrp:

smudgeblot: the menu already has a button for mythnetvision

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wagnerrp:

s/button/entry/

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smudgeblot:

Is that where I could add a Hulu button?

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sphery:

just make sure you upgrade to 0.24-fixes to get Hulu on it

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sphery:

and make sure you have a Hulu-approved version of Flash

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wagnerrp:

no, you use the hulu support built into mythnetvision

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smudgeblot:

I don't see mythnetvision, how do I get that on my frontend?

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sphery:

and make sure you have a version of Qt that works around the bug in Flash to prevent it from crashing

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sphery:

mythnetvision is a plugin

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sphery:

all the gotchas I mentioned notwithstanding, wagnerrp is right--mythnetvision is the way to go for Hulu on the MythTV box

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smudgeblot:

what is Qt? is that in synaptic manager?

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wagnerrp:

qt is the library toolset used to run mythtv

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sphery:

though a better approach is to just record the TV you want and not be subjected to the low-bitrate, low-quality, ad-laden, terrible-UI, impossible-to-control-without-a-mouse, doesn't-support-1/1000000-the-features-of-mythfrontend Hulu

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smudgeblot:

ok, i installed mythnetvision. How do I access it?

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smudgeblot:

I'm a noob to ubuntu and mythtv

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wagnerrp:

it should be in the media library

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sphery:

you /do/ have the right version of MythTV, right?

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wagnerrp:

that being 0.24

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smudgeblot:

just downloaded mythbuntu yesterday

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sphery:

smudgeblot: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythNetvision

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sphery:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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wagnerrp:

hulu support is only available for 0.24

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sphery:

ref: above gotchas

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sphery:

:)

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smudgeblot:

how do I check my version?

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sphery:

you'll need Flash 10.0.32 or higher. If you use Flash 10.1 or the Flash Square preview (10.2 pre-alpha), you'll need Qt 4.7

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sphery:

mythbackend --version

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend --version

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sphery:

you'll have 0.23-fixes

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sphery:

if you have Ubuntu 10.10, you should have Qt 4.7

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smudgeblot:

so shoudl I upgrade to 0.24, even though it's unstable?

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smudgeblot:

if I want hulu

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sphery:

or be patient, wait a couple of weeks, then upgrade

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sphery:

and until then, use Firefox or Chrome or whatever started manually...

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sphery:

that's my recommendation

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smudgeblot:

is that why I don't see mythnetvision in my Media Library even though I installed it?

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sphery:

if you're using Hulu for more than the occasional, "oops, I missed that recording," you probably would be better off with a Windows-based PVR

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wagnerrp:

have you restarted mythfrontend?

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sphery:

my opinion, at least

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smudgeblot:

I exited (it said, "Do you want to exit now") and then reopened, but see no mythfrontend

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smudgeblot:

er..mythnetvision

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cal__:

wagnerrp: still getting (LaG_) Partial Lock on my nbc network channel. funny thing is, yesterday this channel worked fine before i wiped all my hd channels and rescanned them. the channel does eventually show video after i wait a few minutes.

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smudgeblot:

I go to Media Library and all I have is: Watch Recordings (and Videos), Listen to Music, Search (and Browse) Internet Video, and Image Gallery

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wagnerrp:

internet video = mythnetvision

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cal__:

what else could I use to view this channel? I tried VLC to see what it would do, gave it the frequency but it did not open a video window.

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Beirdo:

sigh.

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Beirdo:

and a -users post...

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smudgeblot:

wagnerrp: is there a way to move that button to the Main screen?

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Beirdo:

make one little bug...

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Beirdo:

I swear, it tested fine when I tested it :)

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: of course he cant file a ticket like a normal person

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Beirdo:

of course not

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wagnerrp:

and tell him its already fixed... hes just going to complain about it not being available in package form

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Beirdo:

that would be... just too much

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Beirdo:

he did

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: clearly you guys need to step up and offer hourly builds

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Beirdo:

heh

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** tgm4883 increases builds to every 27 minutes **

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

some users are clue-resistant.

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, what are we looking at?

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Beirdo:

tgm4883: a commit I made a day or two back worked for me, but then somehow stopped working, so I had to redo it

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010 . . . /301137.html

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Beirdo:

and so far, two tickets, plus a -users post :)

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tgm4883:

hmm

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JEDIDIAH__:

no. Hulu does not mean you should be ditching Linux. Hulu and Flash seem to want a hefty CPU on any platform though.

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Beirdo:

I checked in the fix this morning

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tgm4883:

todays builds would have happened ~1.5 hours ago, let me check

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Beirdo:

after testing it yet again

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Beirdo:

well that should have it ;)

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: the complaint was 3.5hrs ago

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tgm4883:

ah

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tgm4883:

yea looks like i386 is still building, amd64 is finished

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tgm4883:

https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/0.24/+packages

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JEDIDIAH__:

supporting pulse means that I won't lose sound the moment I run the frontend on my desktop box to do a little "maintenance". uber gamer performance and responsiveness aren't really needed.

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: responsiveness isnt needed, but some semblance of latency control is

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Beirdo:

one ticket closed

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wagnerrp:

mythtv needs to know exactly when audio is passed out of the sound card

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wagnerrp:

so it knows how much to delay video

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wagnerrp:

without access to such information, you cannot maintain A/V sync

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Beirdo:

wonder how many more reports I'll get :)

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JEDIDIAH__:

...like I mentioned. Less of an issue when running Myth just for control purposes. A "nosound" option might even be handy for this kind of use.

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wagnerrp:

you can simply disable the sound output in the setup

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Beirdo:

ALSA:null

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Beirdo:

that should work, no?

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wagnerrp:

you may need to set the proper environmental variable to prevent it from killing pulse

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wagnerrp:

i dont know how that works in 0.24

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Beirdo:

frigging pulse. bah.

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Beirdo:

that has caused no end of problems

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wagnerrp:

wtf...

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wagnerrp:

im piling up all sorts of old computer hardware i have no intention of using, and am going to take to a recycling place

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wagnerrp:

i found an old P3 with an intel pro gigabit card

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Beirdo:

why not build old crappy frontends so you can whine like a luser?

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wagnerrp:

that card is worth as much as the rest of the system

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Beirdo:

for sure

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JEDIDIAH__:

...wonder what disabling the disablement of pulse would do...

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Beirdo:

GAH

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Beirdo:

#9171 is something else :)

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Beirdo:

2010-11–02 20:26:03.002 ThreadPool:HTTP: thread pool exhausted (max 5 threads)

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[R]:

so just fix the default

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Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

he can just set the setting :)

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wagnerrp:

[R]: even if you crank up the setting, they still get exhausted somehow

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[R]:

is there a ui for it yet?

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Beirdo:

nope

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wagnerrp:

theyre 'leaking' somewhere

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[R]:

ah

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[R]:

gotta love leaky sockets

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Beirdo:

yeah, we need to determine what's eating up the thread pool

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wagnerrp:

hehe...

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wagnerrp:

i just opened up an old dual socket P3

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[R]:

wagnerrp: whta do you mean opened up?

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wagnerrp:

to find a giant 120mm x 38mm fan straddled on top of the heatsinks

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sphery:

I hear that larval moths eat threads...

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wagnerrp:

i think it originally had a 40mm on each

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sphery:

maybe that's the problem

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kormoc:

keep alive?

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[R]:

do people in england have as many channels as we do in america?

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sphery:

They have one big channel--the English Channel

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[R]:

ROFL

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[R]:

!trout sphery

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** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a trout on behalf of [R]... **

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Beirdo:

kormoc: could be. I plan on investigating during the 0.25 development

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Beirdo:

for now, he can just crank up the number of threads

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: mythlogbot needs some changes

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wagnerrp:

we need to be able to trout people 'for the good of mankind'

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Beirdo:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7546203/

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iamlindoro:

For my peeps

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wagnerrp:

doing it 'on behalf of [R]' just wasnt quite sufficient for sphery

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sphery:

hmmm.... mrand mentions a bunch of reports of X crashing on Ubuntu 10.10 with nvidia drivers and mythfrontend playback profiles that use XvMC...

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[R]:

i thought xvmc was unsupported

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sphery:

[R] / wagnerrp : I apologize to you and all of mankind for that bad joke...

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

seriously though

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[R]:

do they have lots of channels?

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: niiiice

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, Just watch ;)

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Beirdo:

I am

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[R]:

oh FFS

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[R]:

i forgot to go to walmart

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[R]:

iamlindoro: moving parts?

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iamlindoro:

it's an expression

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[R]:

its like apt-get... but better

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[R]:

HAHA

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[R]:

did you have a writer or is this all you?

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iamlindoro:

I wrote it

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[R]:

put this in the topic

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iamlindoro:

haha, I thought about it

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wagnerrp:

[R]: to be fair, he took most of it from the channel transcripts

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[R]:

i am done... tv does not work

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Beirdo:

very nice

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wagnerrp:

hes not just making this up

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[R]:

i want the hds

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[R]:

oh man... its great

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[R]:

its like that one about the iphone4 with the bigger gbs

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sphery:

iamlindoro: heh, gotta show that to kormoc (who linked a NOSQL one)

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sphery:

I want the HDs

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[R]:

taxes

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[R]:

WTF

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[R]:

that didnt really happen... did it?

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wagnerrp:

awww....

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

you just ruined it at the end

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sphery:

free tv

[02:05:38]

sphery:

why do I need an account

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wagnerrp:

they should have been an excellent bash scripter

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Beirdo:

I woulda ended it with "good riddance, pirate" or something

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Beirdo:

but very nice

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[R]:

so it is all mine

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[R]:

HAHA

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[R]:

ok, must to go to the walmarts

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sphery:

iamlindoro: heh, awesome

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iamlindoro:

glad you like it ;)

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Beirdo:

that is definitely worth going on my facebook wall

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smudgeblot:

Hey, does anyone know if I can change buttons in MythTV (what they say, the order, etc)?

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kormoc:

Yes, it's the menu theme

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sphery:

smudgeblot: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Menu_theme_development_guide

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sphery:

or just change it to one of the 4 or so that ship with mythtv

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brianboonstra:

My main Myth installation is 0.23.1. As an experiment, I installed 0.24 on a different machine. I started up the backend, and it did some bad things.

[02:39:47]

smudgeblot:

I changed a theme and now when I try to go to setup I get this error: Myth could not locate the menu file util_menu.xml

[02:40:19]

brianboonstra:

Namely, it connected via uPnP to the 0.23 installation, munged up the 0.23 database, and then errored out.

[02:40:34]

brianboonstra:

That's not, um, expected behavior is it?

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smudgeblot:

any thoughts on how to fix that?

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kormoc:

brianboonstra, Yes, it is

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kormoc:

brianboonstra, but before it did that, it attempted to backup the database

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kormoc:

brianboonstra, you should be able to restore back to your 0.23 install

[02:42:34]

brianboonstra:

oho good news

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brianboonstra:

Looks like the backups failed, and then it upgraded anyway. Alas. [[ 2010-11–02 21:26:43.264 DBUtil Error: Error backing up database: 'mysqldump --defaults-extra-file='/tmp/mythtv_db_backup_conf_Hcjz04' --host='192.168.1.77' --user='mythtv' --add-drop-table --add-locks --allow-keywords --complete-insert --extended-insert --lock-tables --no-create-db --quick 'mythconverg' > '/tmp/mythconverg-1254–20101102212643.sql' 2>/dev/null' (127)

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brianboonstra:

]]

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kormoc:

it tries a few different types

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brianboonstra:

No backups appear in /tmp

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brianboonstra:

Any place else they would default to on OSX ?

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kormoc:

ouch

[02:52:18]

kormoc:

it's unlikely any of the scripts would have run on OS X

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brianboonstra:

Yeah, I had to be *that* guy. ;-)

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[R]:

i backup every day

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brianboonstra:

No biggie, I did not have things in a state where I mind blowing it all away and reinstalling. Much.

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kormoc:

we released 0.24rc2 today

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kormoc:

erm, yesterday

[02:53:53]

kormoc:

you might just want to upgrade across the board

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brianboonstra:

I saw that and was thinking of upgrading the "stable" install to it.

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brianboonstra:

I'd say fate has spoken

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kormoc:

Yeah, sorry bout that :(

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smudgeblot:

Question: I'm trying to create my own buttons for mythtv. I made my own theme and changed the name of the buttons in mainmenu.xml but when I change it to my theme, the original names still stay

[02:57:51]

smudgeblot:

What should I do?

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brianboonstra:

Really it's not terrible. But for posterity, I think I'll submit a feature request on Trac: DB upgrades don't happen if the backup process returns an error code

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[R]:

smudgeblot: you made a menuy theme or a theme theme?

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k-man:

wagnerrp: updated to mythvidexport 0.7.2 but now i get the error: Invalid MythVideo grabber

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smudgeblot:

R: I made a theme inside /usr/share/mythtv/themes/<mytheme>

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[R]:

smudgeblot: menu themes and theme theems are differnet

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[R]:

which did you copy and how did you set it

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smudgeblot:

I copied "defaultmenu" from mythtv/themes and renames is smudgebuttons in /mythtv/themes

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[R]:

... and how did you set it

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iamlindoro:

sounds like you have broken the permissions on your copy, and so it's forced to fall back to the original default menu

[03:03:10]

iamlindoro:

if only mythtv logged this kind of thing

[03:03:12]

iamlindoro:

oh yeah, it does

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smudgeblot:

I went into Mythtv Setup, and at the bottom it has Menu Theme which I changed to smudgebuttons

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[R]:

iamlindoro: :)

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smudgeblot:

yes, I broke the permissions. I couldnt copy it otherwise it seemed

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[R]:

rofl

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smudgeblot:

(I am a noob to ubuntu and mythtv, so please give me grace if I did something obviously wrong/stupid)

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smudgeblot:

R, iamlindoro: Any thoughts/help for where I'm at?

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[R]:

my only thought is to learn how to use linux before screwing around with things

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smudgeblot:

I'm trying to.

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[R]:

i said before

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wagnerrp:

k-man: the VideoGrabber class will first try the grabber defined in either TelevisionGrabber, or MovieGrabber

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wagnerrp:

depending on the type

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wagnerrp:

should that not exist on the current host

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[R]:

i'm waqtching a show about logging

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[R]:

wahts the big deal if they cut down the amazon?

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wagnerrp:

it will try the defaults, $PREFIX/share/mythtv/metadata/[Television/ttvdb.py|Movie/tmdb.py]

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wagnerrp:

although 'Invalid MythVideo grabber' should only be printed should you try to use a mode other than TV or Movie

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wagnerrp:

which... apparently it does

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wagnerrp:

whoops

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smudgeblot:

So...could someone help me understand how to change my buttons in mythtv? I am a total noob and just trying to learn how to set up mythtv for first time (maybe your first time was difficult too and can understand)

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k-man:

wagnerrp: where are TelevisionGrabber and MovieGrabber defined?

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sphery:

brianboonstra: DB upgrade only happens if you say go ahead and upgrade--unless you start mythbackend in a non-interactive environment (i.e. some auto-start script that's automatically run on boot).

[03:15:19]

brianboonstra:

started from the cmd line....does that count as non-interactive?

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wagnerrp:

k-man: the problem is you are running it against a movie (or at least something without a subtitle

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sphery:

so the reasoning is that if you're starting mythbackend in a non-interactive environment, you want it to succeed at running at all costs, so it should automatically upgrade

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wagnerrp:

and exposed a flaw in the bindings

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sphery:

brianboonstra: it's quite possible that mythbackend on OS X doesn't properly check whether it's an interactive shell--even though the guy who wrote the interactive/non-interactive code is pretty much the only one who does any Mac OS X work

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brianboonstra:

that's pretty plausible

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kormoc:

if you run it via the bundle, it's non-interactive

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k-man:

wagnerrp: i see

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kormoc:

if you went into the bundle, it's interactive

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sphery:

kormoc: thanks... I don't know anything about OSX

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sphery:

brianboonstra: for future reference, the safest approach when testing things is to /always/ start mythtv-setup and verify configuration

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sphery:

mythtv-setup is /always/ interactive

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sphery:

*** Offer valid as long as mythtv-setup exists

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brianboonstra:

Frankly, I forgot the 0.23.1 backend was running :-P

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brianboonstra:

Before when experimenting I always shut it down first

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k-man:

wagnerrp: it was you who fixed the monitor with new caps the other day right?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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sphery:

brianboonstra: yeah, there is a plan to fix the auto-detect backend code

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brianboonstra:

As to interactivity, I would have to think — the 0.23.1 install is started by launchd, which does go into the bundle. The 0.24 backend was started from the cmd line by starting the executable in the bundle, though $CWD would not have been inside the bundfle

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sphery:

unfortunately, the mind-reading code required is a bit challenging to implement

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brianboonstra:

Error prone, I'm sure . heh.

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k-man:

wagnerrp: well, i carefully bought caps, gathered solder and clippers and plyers to fix my monitor and forgot my soldering iron *sigh*

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wagnerrp:

what? i just do 'import telepathy'

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, unfortunately, we didn't use Python for MythTV

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sphery:

:)

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kormoc:

You should rewrite it now! You lame open source developers just don't understand open source....

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brianboonstra:

I keep meaning to take advantage of those tasty Python bindings though

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kormoc:

bindings in OS X need some... work...

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kormoc:

but if you copy them by hand into the system or user python path, it works great

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wagnerrp:

id be happy to fix them were someone to buy me a mac

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sphery:

brianboonstra: for non-GUI apps, MythTV decides it's a non-interactive environment if (!isatty(fileno(stdin)) || !isatty(fileno(stdout)))

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** kormoc waits for an apple IIe to show up on wagnerrp's doorstep **

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kormoc:

sphery, that should have passed

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wagnerrp:

s/a mac/a mac with intel OSX/

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: fixed that

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sphery:

kormoc: heh, right after you finish rewriting MythWeb in Python

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brianboonstra:

and here I was just packing up the ol' G5

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brianboonstra:

(it's actually true — destined for the in-laws)

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dewman:

i think it would be safe to say not to record a show during the highlights of the elections..... Flag Commercials (Finished: Tue Nov 2, 2010, 08:20 PM)

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dewman:

139 commercial break(s)

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sphery:

dewman: that's likely because you got a mythcommflag segfault on *buntu

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dewman:

o man, I was hoping it was all the republican hype getting flagged.... poo.

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[R]:

sphery: that's what she said

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sphery:

dewman: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 55953#455953

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brianboonstra:

Not my night. Segfault in the 0.24 frontend: Thread 0 Crashed: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

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brianboonstra:

0 org.osx-bundler.QtCore 0x8c0945b3 QCoreApplication::removePostedEvents(QObject*, int) + 195

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brianboonstra:

1 org.osx-bundler.QtCore 0x8c094899 QCoreApplication::removePostedEvents(QObject*) + 25

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brianboonstra:

2 org.osx-bundler.QtCore 0x8c09aa93 QObject::~QObject() + 867

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brianboonstra:

3 org.osx-bundler.QtCore 0x8c1820fb QSocketNotifier::~QSocketNotifier() + 59

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brianboonstra:

4 org.osx-bundler.QtCore 0x8c098c6c QObjectPrivate::deleteChildren() + 76

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brianboonstra:

5 org.osx-bundler.QtCore 0x8c09aa7d QObject::~QObject() + 845

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brianboonstra:

6 org.osx-bundler.myth 0x89be62ed DBUtil::CountClients() + 685 (qlist.h:620)

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brianboonstra:

7 org.osx-bundler.myth 0x89b26df2 SchemaUpgradeWizard::PromptForUpgrade(char const*, bool, bool, int, int, int) + 114 (schemawizard.cpp:273)

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brianboonstra:

8 libmythvideo.dylib 0x8f3ee32a (anonymous namespace)::DoVideoDatabaseSchemaUpgrade() + 1210 (dbcheck.cpp:725)

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sphery:

brianboonstra: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/ please :)

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kormoc:

woah there pastezilla

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brianboonstra:

sorry....I'm an IRC n00b

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sphery:

heh, we've had worse :)

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sphery:

and now you know for next time

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you didnt paste enough that you really got hammered by the flood limiters

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brianboonstra:

They must have been built in New Orleans. (too soon?)

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sphery:

I've always hated that CountClients() code...

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[R]:

FFS

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[R]:

again with this nonsense on stargate

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[R]:

why do they always have the same exact plot

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sphery:

nonsense on stargate?

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sphery:

don't diss my stargate

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kormoc:

Hey now!

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kormoc:

SG:U < SG:[SG1:A]

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JEDIDIAH__:

...a lot of shows have their own "formula"

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JEDIDIAH__:

consider the number of scripts that have to be churned out for every show every week, week after week, year after year...

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[R]:

they've had what

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[R]:

like 20 seasons of stargate?

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JEDIDIAH__:

I wonder how many "roddenberry's" that would take up.

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sphery:

10 seasons of Stargate SG-1

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sphery:

5 seasons of SGA

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[R]:

so 16.5

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sphery:

2 SG-1 movies

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sphery:

1 SGA movie in production

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[R]:

never gonna happen

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sphery:

oh, and the Stargate Movie

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Beirdo:

bleh

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sphery:

what, Stargate: Extinction not going to happen?

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** kormoc taps his foot on SG:A the movie **

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** kormoc blinks **

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sphery:

Stargate: Extinction is supposed to be the movie to close out SGA

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kormoc:

sphery, where's it say it's canceled?

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sphery:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbVI6_O3l24

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sphery:

wonder if that's what [R] meant by "never gonna happen"

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sphery:

of course, that trailer is a user-produced trailer

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[R]:

which means nothing

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[R]:

last i heard it was on hold

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[R]:

The script for Stargate: Extinction has been written and is ready to go into production. The project however is on hold due to the recession and the decline in DVD sales. [41] In the meantime, a crossover episode with Stargate Universe is planned. [42]

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sphery:

gateworld must be using our server...

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sphery:

not responding

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iamlindoro:

svn.mythtv.org/gateworld?

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sphery:

The script for Stargate: Extinction has been written and is ready to go into production. The project however is on hold due to the recession and the decline in DVD sales. [41] In the meantime, a crossover episode with Stargate Universe is planned.

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** [R] gets that dejavu feeling **

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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sphery:

it's because of all those video thieves who steal movies/tv instead of buying DVD's

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Beirdo:

must be

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** JEDIDIAH__ just waits for things to get to the Walmart bargain bin. **

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** JEDIDIAH__ is evil **

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** kormoc buys a few hundred thousand dvds **

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sphery:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/8/25/

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sphery:

yeah, I'll have to buy some extra copies to make sure that movie is produced

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JEDIDIAH__:

my box set episode mapping file has just slightly more than 1000 DVD's in it.

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kormoc:

All Season 5 of SG:A? That's dedication!

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Beirdo:

I'd rather spend that money on a decent car

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** wagnerrp wonders what 'decent' is in Beirdo's vocabulary **

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wagnerrp:

even at bargain prices, youre usually talking a couple dollars per DVD

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Beirdo:

well, if you buy 1000s of DVDs... at face value... you do the math

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wagnerrp:

hundreds of thousands of...

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Beirdo:

heh

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JEDIDIAH__:

DVDs are cheap (even by the kilo) when compared to a decent car.

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Beirdo:

someone is in denial :)

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kormoc:

5 disks in SG:A S5 for $20, so that's $4 per, hundreds of thousands would be at least 200,000, so that's a minimum of $800,000

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kormoc:

Quite the crappy car

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** Beirdo wonders if he could even find 1000 DVDs he'd wanna watch **

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Beirdo:

yeah, can't buy crap for $800k :)

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JEDIDIAH__:

...at that point you would have a storage issue.

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kormoc:

nah

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wagnerrp:

youre talking maybe $0.50/DVD for storage

[03:56:34]

wagnerrp:

so make it an even million

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** JEDIDIAH__ is talking physical storage, not disk **

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Beirdo:

McLaren F1, here we come!

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wagnerrp:

nah, just rent a storage locker

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JEDIDIAH__:

you don't really want to rent a storage locker for anything you value

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JEDIDIAH__:

still be a big locker though.

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kormoc:

why?

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kormoc:

just get some guards and use a earthquake rated locker...

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JEDIDIAH__:

this is turning into a real high maintenance project.

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kormoc:

Anything to save SG:A!

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** kormoc shifty eyes **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** JEDIDIAH__ was not that enamoured with SGA to begin with... **

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Beirdo:

just send them the $1M in cash, get your name in the credits

[03:59:51]

kormoc:

DEATH TO THE NON BELIEVER!

[04:00:06]

kormoc:

JEDIDIAH__, it picked up in season 3 and was really awesome in season 5 you see

[04:00:06]

** JEDIDIAH__ just buys the discount sets at Target. **

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sphery:

wagnerrp: if you're just ordering it to get them to finish the movie, you could just as easily store the DVDs at the local landfill

[04:00:57]

sphery:

or the section on the asteroid devoted to AOL CDs

[04:01:01]

Beirdo:

Rain Man II: "Target sucks!"

[04:01:29]

JEDIDIAH__:

Cheap disks, less depressing contingent than Walmart.

[04:02:08]

sphery:

kormoc: I bought SGA S5, but haven't watched it, yet, because I don't want it to end

[04:02:29]

sphery:

the other benefit of not getting cable TV channels--I end a series on my own terms

[04:02:40]

Beirdo:

heh.

[04:02:55]

kormoc:

heh

[04:03:00]

kormoc:

if it was only that easy

[04:03:01]

Beirdo:

via playing frisbee with the DVDs because they sucked hard/

[04:03:20]

sphery:

I haven't met a stargate spinoff I didn't love

[04:03:47]

JEDIDIAH__:

SG defintely does the spinoff thing a lot better than Trek.

[04:03:58]

sphery:

I still haven't bought SGU, though, because I'm trying to decide between the 1.0/1.5 discs or The Complete Season discs

[04:04:07]

Beirdo:

ahh

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: agreed...

[04:04:34]

Beirdo:

hey, no agreeing when we are trying to have a pointless argument.

[04:04:38]

Beirdo:

get with the program

[04:04:47]

sphery:

heh

[04:05:01]

** JEDIDIAH__ does not need to be encouraged to be ill mannered and belligerent **

[04:05:04]

sphery:

I'm just depressed no one liked my Futurama reference

[04:06:01]

Beirdo:

Too busy watching Scrubs :)

[04:06:15]

sphery:

seems it was AOL floppies, anyway

[04:06:18]

sphery:

not CDs

[04:06:35]

Beirdo:

those coasters were fun

[04:06:39]

JEDIDIAH__:

it was both...

[04:06:50]

JEDIDIAH__:

AOL is nearly old as dirt.

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sphery:

Beirdo: yeah, unfortunately, since Scrubs was on network TV, that ended on their schedule for me

[04:07:09]

sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: in Futurama episode A Big Piece of Garbage, it was AOL floppies

[04:07:18]

** kormoc weeps at all his friends disappearing off the magic window **

[04:08:27]

JEDIDIAH__:

...they never disappear. Even long after the world goes to color (or 3D)

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wagnerrp:

seems San Fran has banned the happy meal

[04:13:07]

Beirdo:

how about the depressed meal?

[04:13:27]

wagnerrp:

you mean the one with vegetables and no toy? yeah, thats still allowed

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Beirdo:

hehe

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JEDIDIAH__:

...reminds me of a competitors ad that had the guy putting the ketchup onthe toy instead of the burger.

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k-man:

wagnerrp: so... what should i do to get mythvidexport working given the bug i found?

[04:15:40]

Beirdo:

OK, why is it that I feel like going to bed... at 9:15?

[04:15:53]

wagnerrp:

update your bindings

[04:15:56]

k-man:

Beirdo: because you are tired?

[04:16:06]

Beirdo:

k-man: must be

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k-man:

wagnerrp: from fixes?

[04:16:17]

Beirdo:

turning into a wuss

[04:16:18]

wagnerrp:

yes

[04:16:28]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i say its carbon monoxide

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Beirdo:

hehe

[04:16:55]

Beirdo:

doubt it, the apt has monitors (with alarm)

[04:17:19]

Beirdo:

more likely just a cold rolling in or something

[04:17:25]

Beirdo:

just to make me miserable

[04:17:41]

kormoc:

comes with the weather

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k-man:

wagnerrp: can i just update the python bindinds? or i need to rebuild the whole of mythtv?

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Beirdo:

aye, it does :)

[04:18:15]

Beirdo:

that and staying up too late too often.

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wagnerrp:

the bindings are fine

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Beirdo:

I think I'll head to bed

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Beirdo:

night

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kormoc:

Funny

[05:06:00]

kormoc:

I know when I need to update my OS X build by the temp of my living room

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[R]:

kormoc: ?

[05:07:32]

kormoc:

I commflag on OS X and when it's not running, my living room gets cold

[05:07:43]

coldfront:

anyone use mythtv with AFN?

[05:08:16]

kormoc:

I can't say I know what AFN is

[05:08:18]

wagnerrp:

AFN?

[05:08:26]

[R]:

american's funniest network

[05:08:31]

[R]:

america's*

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coldfront:

armed forces network satellite

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[R]:

coldfront: if you can tune it in linux... nothing special

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wagnerrp:

aside from lack of XMLTV grabbers, i dont see why there should be any problem

[05:09:49]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: you think SD would provide data for that?

[05:11:03]

kormoc:

We would if we could, but I'm thinking Tribune won't have a feed

[05:11:20]

wagnerrp:

looks like you can only search by zip code anyway

[05:11:38]

coldfront:

well i was thinking about getting a decoder box on base because there is no monthly sub for it all you do is pay i think $150 for the box

[05:11:41]

kormoc:

we can create 'fake' zipcodes for things like that

[05:11:56]

wagnerrp:

decoder box for?

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coldfront:

http://myafn.dodmedia.osd.mil/Home.aspx

[05:12:17]

wagnerrp:

you have to prop up your own dish?

[05:12:17]

coldfront:

afn:P

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coldfront:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

they dont redistribute it over coax or something?

[05:12:36]

coldfront:

only if you live on base they do

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wagnerrp:

i see indication that the old zap2it had AFN feeds

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kormoc:

ooh nice

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kormoc:

then we likley do have it, xris would have to find out how to get it

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wagnerrp:

specifically looking at http://forums.gbpvr.com/showthread.php?28897- . . . 5#post277695

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wagnerrp:

unless zap2xml is an unauthorized scraper for the existing zap2it web listings (not the old labs.zap2it.com)

[05:28:56]

wagnerrp:

but old or new, either way it seems they have the data

[05:29:05]

coldfront:

umm thanks

[05:32:25]

xris:

wagnerrp: SD should have AFN for certain areas that have major US bases...

[05:32:46]

sphery:

wagnerrp: pretty sure that's exactly what zap2xml is

[05:33:18]

wagnerrp:

xris, sphery: i figured it would be the same exact feeds, just time shifted depending on the region

[05:33:44]

xris:

yeah, not sure.

[05:34:00]

xris:

I vaguely recall somethign recent from TMS about pulling some latin american feeds that weren't part of the main lineup

[05:34:14]

sphery:

yeah, likely means they have the data, so if SD can make it available, that would be great

[05:34:14]

xris:

but AFN should still be available. that's why SD allows signups from costa rica and a few other non-US areas

[05:35:47]

[R]:

i evne see AFN for Ft Huachuca

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[R]:

and thats tiny

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sphery:

wagnerrp: FWIW, http://zap2xml.awardspace.info/ . Note, also, the requests for donations (translation, "If you think TMS has good data on their website, please send me some money for helping you steal it.")

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sphery:

xris: cool... sounds like it would work for coldfront

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, looking at the dates of that forum (2008), i figured it was unauthorized use

[05:37:25]

sphery:

and he could use an authorized Schedules Direct account to get it

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kormoc:

it's the same guy as mc2xml

[05:37:54]

sphery:

really?

[05:38:15]

wagnerrp:

heh, ive even got an AFN feed listed here

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kormoc:

yes

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[R]:

wagnerrp: but do you live in the middle of an endless desert?

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kormoc:

[R], can anyone be in the middle of anything endless/

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kormoc:

?

[05:39:19]

[R]:

HAHA

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wagnerrp:

the only 'military base' around here is some engineering corps reserve depot

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coldfront:

*laughs* haven't lived there for a year, I just wanted to mess with it because i have nothing else todo

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wagnerrp:

and its not even a depot, the whole 'base' could fit inside half a supermarket parking lot

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[R]:

13 channels on AFN

[05:40:07]

[R]:

damn... i'd kill myself

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sphery:

kormoc: weird... I thought mc2xml guy was the guy who was all upset that people were stealing his code (that's used to steal data from various sources)

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coldfront:

lol

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sphery:

kormoc: oh, or maybe zap2xml is just the steal from zap2it.com part of mc2xml?

[05:40:46]

kormoc:

sphery, aye, exactly

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sphery:

I see...

[05:42:22]

smudgeblot:

Hey, I was wondering if anyone knew how to change what buttons say in mythtv? even a guide on a website would be great

[05:43:01]

sphery:

kormoc: web page says mc2xml works with schedules direct... I just wonder why you'd use that rather than tv_grab_na_dd.

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kormoc:

smudgeblot, <sphery> smudgeblot: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Menu_theme_development_guide

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kormoc:

sphery, so he'd get more donations

[05:43:48]

sphery:

heh

[05:44:03]

sphery:

or so he can claim that there's at least one non-infringing use of the program?

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kormoc:

heh, yeah, perhaps

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[R]:

i once wrote a scapper

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[R]:

it was fun

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wagnerrp:

sphery: the gbpvr wiki seems to claim the MCE EPG servers are actually run by zap2it (TMS)

[05:44:54]

[R]:

actually... moer than once... for various things

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sphery:

don't know about TitanTV service... But the WMC listings service usage is definitely infringing

[05:45:13]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, they are

[05:45:19]

sphery:

interesting

[05:45:22]

sphery:

makes sense, though

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k-man:

wagnerrp: maybe you should add a version check to mythvidexport so it aborts with an appropriate message if it is being run against the wrong version of mythtv?

[05:45:56]

sphery:

just annoying that someone can yell "interoperability" and then completely ignore the license agreement

[05:47:04]

kormoc:

Yeah...

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xris:

coldfront: I've been told to search the SD forum for "fake postal codes" or something like that for AFN stuff

[05:49:08]

coldfront:

thanks xris

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[R]:

regular zipcodes work

[05:50:01]

wagnerrp:

k-man: done

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k-man:

wagnerrp: nice thanks

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sphery:

anyone know anything about using m3u files for iptv in mythtv? Like, specifically, does the m3u file have to have #EXTMYTHTV:xmltvid=<whatever> for each channel?

[06:10:18]

wagnerrp:

there used to be some page on the wiki using VLC for multirec

[06:10:31]

wagnerrp:

it explained how to set up IPTV

[06:10:46]

sphery:

yeah, Grey Foxx's page... I'll see if it mentions it

[06:11:46]

sphery:

hmmm, seems it's been deleted

[06:11:52]

wagnerrp:

got a link?

[06:12:02]

wagnerrp:

its only been hidden from non-admins

[06:12:13]

sphery:

based on search, I figured it was deleted

[06:12:24]

sphery:

I can probably find the link--I've said it in here... one sec

[06:12:42]

sphery:

from other iptv pages, it looks like it needs it

[06:13:12]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Sasktel_IPTV_Regina_Channels looks like it should have what youre looking for

[06:13:22]

sphery:

yeah, that's the page I'm thining of deleting

[06:13:23]

sphery:

:)

[06:13:32]

sphery:

I want to remove all the mc2xml xmltvids from it

[06:13:59]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/381892#381892 is proof positive that Regina channels are available through Schedules Direct, so the official wiki should not be telling people to steal them

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Multiple_Recordings_with_VLC is Greg's page, and it's not deleted...

[06:15:35]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Multiple_Recording . . . t_for_MythTV seems to indicate you need ti

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[R]:

wow

[06:15:55]

[R]:

these ubuntu users

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[R]:

A+

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wagnerrp:

greg == Grey Foxx?

[06:16:51]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

looks like I'll have to set up an SD lineup for Sasktel IPTV Regina and manually fix them all

[06:17:16]

sphery:

grrr...

[06:17:34]

sphery:

if only yanush2e would have done what he promised a year ago...

[06:18:20]

wagnerrp:

?

[06:18:23]

sphery:

(and Robert Johnston said please do after yanush2e asked)

[06:20:23]

sphery:

about 144 channels

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sphery:

he promised to post the schedules direct version of the Regina Channels M3U on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

ah, found his name in my archives

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sphery:

yeah, it's that post I linked above: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/381892#381892

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wagnerrp:

didnt see the link

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sphery:

yeah, I can't do this manually... I don't know the channels and only get callsigns from sd

[06:27:44]

wagnerrp:

what zipcode?

[06:28:15]

sphery:

I randomly chose S4N 0K6 from (tons of) Regina, Saskatchewan postal codes

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sphery:

for example in the Building the M3U section he uses XMLTV ID: I3.28458539.microsoft.com for Ch # 3, Ch Name CBC... I don't know which of the SD xmltvids to use for that oen

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wagnerrp:

youve got the logical channel

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wagnerrp:

logical channel 3 matches to 'EXTINF:0,3'

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sphery:

so the ch3 CBKT would be the channel # CBC?

[06:30:28]

wagnerrp:

and it would seen the same IP

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wagnerrp:

appears that way

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wagnerrp:

it dpes say 'CBC Channel 9'

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sphery:

but when I point to 3, it shows CBC Channel 9 CBKT

[06:31:01]

sphery:

yeah

[06:31:05]

sphery:

guess that works

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sphery:

well enough for the howto

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wagnerrp:

i could rig up a script to dump that m3u based off the lineup preview

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sphery:

OK, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Sasktel_IPTV is edited

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sphery:

now the hard one... the other page: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Sasktel_IPTV_Regina_Channels

[06:33:05]

wagnerrp:

yeah, thats not hard at all

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wagnerrp:

give me 10 minutes

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

thanks

[06:33:28]

sphery:

I really wanted to remove all mc2xml references from the wiki after our discussion earlier

[06:33:48]

sphery:

and would love to remove all mythtv references from the mc2xml web page, but don't think I can do that

[06:34:35]

sphery:

seems that replacing it with new up-to-date info would be good, too, just because it seems to have changed since Dec 2008

[06:34:55]

sphery:

and a script would allow you to get the actual SD-provided descriptive names for EXTINF

[06:35:23]

sphery:

and you could do another run of the script for http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Sasktel_IPTV_Saskatoon_Channels

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wagnerrp:

bah... seems the 1:1 mapping of logical channel to IP address only holds up for the first few dozen

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sphery:

oh...

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sphery:

maybe I should e-mail yanush2e

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wagnerrp:

i could still write something up to read in both lists

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wagnerrp:

and replace the xmltvid in-line

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sphery:

with what comparison?

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wagnerrp:

logical channel number

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sphery:

I thought you said it doesn't hold up?

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wagnerrp:

the channel numbers match up just fine

[06:37:26]

wagnerrp:

but they only match to the IP address for the first 20 or so

[06:37:35]

wagnerrp:

so i couldnt simply generate a new list from scratch

[06:37:42]

wagnerrp:

the old one must be modified

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wagnerrp:

which makes it harder

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wagnerrp:

the saskatoon page is already fine

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sphery:

yeah, it's SD, but I thought it would be nice to update if you had the script to do it all

[06:38:55]

sphery:

but if we don't have all the info needed to generate it on SD, it's better to leave it alone

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Sasktel_IPTV#How_I_worked_this_out tells how he got the info

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sphery:

using wireshark

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sphery:

if you like, I'll just remove the contents of the page for now, and e-mail yanush2e to ask him for an updated, SD version

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sphery:

(and maybe Robert Johnston, too)

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wagnerrp:

nah, it wont take that long

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sphery:

heh, you're way too nice to me

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sphery:

I start a little project, do the easy part, then pawn the hard part off on you

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wagnerrp:

bah... the script didnt write the newlines

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wagnerrp:

its one giant long string

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sphery:

probably simple fix?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but i already closed the interpreter

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wagnerrp:

and this was all interactively done

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sphery:

ah

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wagnerrp:

so ive got to paste the tables and code back in

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sphery:

if you don't have it, you could probably pretty easily edit the long line

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sphery:

s/#EXTINF/\n#EXTINF/g

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sphery:

type stuff

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sphery:

same for #EXTMYTHTV (or just do #EXT) and udp:

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wagnerrp:

look good? http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1920375

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sphery:

getting a post-has-expired message

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1980375

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sphery:

looks beautiful... and legit!

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sphery:

thank you very much

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sphery:

do you want to put it in the wiki or do you want me to?

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wagnerrp:

already done

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sphery:

wow, you're fast

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sphery:

great work

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sphery:

and, again, thanks

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sphery:

heh, you got the mc2xml comment out before I did

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wagnerrp:

now if only i could justify this oursql module support as a 'fix' and commit it

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sphery:

beautiful: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Special%3ASe . . . ml&go=Go

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sphery:

heh, it's all in the wording

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wagnerrp:

its... um... fixing python 2.7

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wagnerrp:

yeah!

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sphery:

works for me

[07:03:17]

sphery:

of course, if it's a huge change, it might not work so well for the steering committee

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wagnerrp:

no, i want to get some time testing it in trunk before backporting it

[07:03:31]

wagnerrp:

its not 'huge'

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wagnerrp:

but there are some shortcuts i took that could cause unexpected problems

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sphery:

ah, yeah

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sphery:

probably best to test for a while in trunk

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wagnerrp:

the old (official) module doesnt work on 2.7, so ive got to pull in this new module

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wagnerrp:

the old module used '%s' for substitution, the new one uses '?'

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wagnerrp:

so for now to support both, im just doing a string substitution on the query, before passing it onto the library

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sphery:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

now the data itself shouldnt matter

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wagnerrp:

since that should be passed directly to the module

[07:06:05]

wagnerrp:

but any instance of either of those in the query itself could cause problems

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if there would be any reason for either to exist though

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wagnerrp:

outside of the data, of course

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sphery:

yeah, don't know

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wagnerrp:

well its not yet imperative, no one that i know of is shipping 2.7 as default

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smudgeblot:

anyone here late at night to help noob with channel guide?

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justinh:

noob

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Kunalagon:

hello, is there any way to record using mythtv, not to use scheduler

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

everything is scheduled – even 'live tv' – which is basically just a scheduled recording which happens to be scheduled NOW

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Kunalagon:

damn

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justinh:

what's the problem with the scheduler?

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Kunalagon:

there is no software to record tv in linux

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Kunalagon:

well, I am watching something and RIGHT now I want to record somethig

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justinh:

and?

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justinh:

when you'

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justinh:

duh

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justinh:

when you watch tv in mythtv you're watching a recording already

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justinh:

if you want what's been recorded to be kept (up to show time boundaries) press R

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Kunalagon:

justinh: o, yes, I know that, and now, I want to put that on youytube... for example

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justinh:

not something we condone

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justinh:

why are you dead set on infringing copyright holders' rights?

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Kunalagon:

well. in many cases, I was on tv...

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Kunalagon:

so, it is my right :)

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justinh:

no it isn't

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Kunalagon:

why

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Kunalagon:

nobody could complain

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justinh:

ultimately it depends what you agreed with the broadcaster/content producer

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Kunalagon:

maybe you are right. in other case, I want to record my camera videos from tv card composite input

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justinh:

still using analogue camcorder eh? heh

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Kunalagon:

oh, yes

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Kunalagon:

there is no better than analog

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justinh:

if you've got a DV camcorder I strongly recommend you just capture via firewire

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justinh:

sure there is

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justinh:

analogue capturing is messy

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justinh:

especially with crappy PC video capture hardware

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Kunalagon:

well, it is less noisy than any consumer camcorder today

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Kunalagon:

and without capture softweare at all

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justinh:

oh look! http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sour . . . amp;gs_rfai=

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Kunalagon:

thanks justinh ... I new that already, BUT, there is no way to watch what you want to record, if you understand me, it is the same like you turn off TV when you want to record using old VCR

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Kunalagon:

Mythtv was my only hope...

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justinh:

meh

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justinh:

but mythtv IS recording whatever you watch. ALWAYS

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justinh:

admittedly it'll be in a format you can't easily export but hey

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justinh:

that's what you get for using crappy framegrabber cards

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Kunalagon:

justinh: and, how long does it record, is there any default value, and to record without limit?

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justinh:

if you don't have any EPG data you can define how long a default timeslot is, yes

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justinh:

the standard setting is 30 minutes IIRC

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justinh:

so with no EPG, recording from a video input on a capture card, when you hit R it'd only record half hour chunks by default

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Kunalagon:

so, when I start watching mythtv start recording

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Kunalagon:

oh, oh, undestand

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justinh:

I mean when you hit R it'll only mark that slot as if it'd been a scheduled recording

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justinh:

but – mythtv is NOT an ideal program to use for archiving video

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justinh:

it's about as far from ideal as you can get for that

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justinh:

that there aren't any ideal programs for this purpose is beside the point

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Kunalagon:

i know

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justinh:

looks like Cinelerra supports video recording through a capture card as well as from DV sources

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justinh:

that would be much more suited to the job

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justinh:

http://shop.orange.co.uk/errors/maintenance.html – in business hours.. hmmm. not good form

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k-man:

wagnerrp: ok, now the mythvidexport script reports "Status: Starting(mythbox)" does that mean its working?

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k-man:

is there some way to tell mythtv and or jamu that a particular directory contains shows from a tv series?

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k-man:

what do you do in jamu if it offers you titles from, say, imdb, but its a TV show with no imdb entery, but there is an entry on the tvdb site?

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wagnerrp:

k-man: it does nothing with imdb, it will only search against content from the tvdb site

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justinh:

tmdb/tvdb I thought

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: the 'xml' module is supposed to be integrated with python

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wagnerrp:

fedora really makes you install it as a separate package?

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Does that make my wiki note wrong?

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wagnerrp:

no, i know nothing of fedora

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wagnerrp:

i just think its ridiculous that they would do such

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wagnerrp:

i mean the only reason to do that is if youre trying hard to strip down a system to almost nothing

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wagnerrp:

and those few hundred kilobytes of tokenized python scripts makes all the difference

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wagnerrp:

but last i heard, a fedora install took a couple GB

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Got it. I really only put the note there to try to reduce user issues. I am sure I would forget the package name after a few weeks.

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Ryushin:

Has there been any database changes to trunk since .23 was released? I have a friend up just upgraded trunk and now he wants to go back to .23.

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justinh:

whoops

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jams:

then he should restore the database back to a .23 version

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justinh:

hope he has a backup :)

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jams:

it should have made a backup as part of the update process

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justinh:

the upgrade procedure would've made a backup automagically – but did he keep it? ;-)

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Ryushin:

Where would it have stored the backup?

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HypNoMadic:

the autobackup file it tossed in the recordings dir isn't it?

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justinh:

default SG by default I think

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justinh:

unless a database backup SG is defined IIRC

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Ryushin:

Okay, I'll work with him to figure out the best procedure.

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Ryushin:

Thanks guys.

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Ryushin:

Is .24 a long ways off? If it isn't, maybe I'll just have him stay on trunk until it's released?

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iamlindoro:

.24 will, if all goes according to plan, be released Monday

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justinh:

can't be that far off. RC2 just came out

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justinh:

darn my slow typing :)

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iamlindoro:

And yes, many DB changes from .23->current trunk

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iamlindoro:

but none between current .24-fixes and current trunk

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iamlindoro:

So current trunk can safely cut over to .24-fixes branch even now

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iamlindoro:

but no knowing how long that will last

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Ryushin:

That is good to hear. He can go to the .24-fixes branch right now.

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Ryushin:

I didn't know the .24-fixes would be available now. I thought it wouldn't be available until the official release.

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iamlindoro:

.24 as a release does not exist-- the .24 branch, which is a one way track to final .24, is available

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Beirdo:

so, yay!

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Beirdo:

seems I got two reports of my buglet, both confirmed working after the fix

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Beirdo:

the other ticket was threadpool exhaustion and should also be fixed

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justinh:

woot woot

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** justinh is tempted to hound a guy on twitter who whined about mythtv using mysql.. then thinks better of it **

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Beirdo:

what does the luser want? postgres?

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bjd:

pigsqueal!

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justinh:

yeah postgres

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iamlindoro:

MONGO LOVE MYTHTV

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iamlindoro:

MONGO SQUEEZE MYTHTV

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eternis:

make it modularized

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justinh:

splat. lol

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eternis:

any sql backend out there

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Beirdo:

hah

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justinh:

eternis: ok then. you do it

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iamlindoro:

eternis sounds like middle management

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justinh:

sounds like most managers here. 'can you just...'

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iamlindoro:

I sure hope we can make it "web grade" and "in the cloud" too

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bjd:

hah

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bjd:

i was going to say upper management would say "put it in the cloud"

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justinh:

action its prioritization!

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Beirdo:

I can put in some nice spin loops to make it "enterprise" software

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eternis:

rofl@put in the cloud

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justinh:

you have been tasked with actioning the prioritization

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eternis:

ppl really came up with 'in the cloud'?

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Beirdo:

Amazon would Looooove us

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justinh:

MythS3 ftw!

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** iamlindoro wonders how to pronounce that **

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iamlindoro:

Miffsthree

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justinh:

eternis: everything zeitgeisty is cloudy

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justinh:

even apparently virtualisation :P

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justinh:

hey, we could have video decoding farms in the cloud too!

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Beirdo:

I'd love to have the bandwidth to Amazon to be able to store my recordings in the cloud...

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justinh:

then we could all have really slim clients that are even less powerful than Atom boxes

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

with OC3 into them

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justinh:

sure. just think of all the power we'd save though

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justinh:

50% !

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Beirdo:

heh

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eternis:

p00t it iN mye GMAILFS!!!!111 (gmail account mounted)

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Beirdo:

I'll poot at your gmail

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Beirdo:

anyways

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iamlindoro:

you stay classy, #mythtv-users

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Beirdo:

people whining about mysql often need to get a clue

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eternis:

what do you mean when the say in the cloud? can't they open an account and install linux in the cloud then continue?

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eternis:

or they wanted the storage part only in the cloud?

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justinh:

I was tempted to send flames

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eternis:

that'd need a mighty beefier network connection

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eternis:

at this momment I don't see it practical, not to mention they'd be downloading stuff, listening to movies online, watching youtube, etc.

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justinh:

according to an IT related show I watch a 'next big thing' is big gaming on lower-power PCs over the internet – thanks to cloud computing

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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Beirdo:

to the cloud

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justinh:

so they render all the complex stuff on some server out there & send frames to you

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** Beirdo slaps MS **

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iamlindoro:

clod computing

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Beirdo:

like people have the bandwidth to receive rendered frames

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justinh:

that's what I thought

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justinh:

mind, maybe in Asia, where 100Mbit is pretty commonplace

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Beirdo:

but don't let reality get in the way of a fine TV show presentation

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eternis:

mm.. nope

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eternis:

if it doesn't start in US and get adopted here filst, is dead tech.

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Beirdo:

whatever

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justinh:

over here my cable ISP is bringing 100Mbit along soon – and quote "foo seconds to download a movie". Er.. where can you download a movie from, legally.. in the UK?

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Beirdo:

ummm...

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Beirdo:

shhhh.

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Beirdo:

maybe they plan to run a server?

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justinh:

maybe they already do

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Beirdo:

could well be

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i like the MS one where they say 'to the cloud!', and proceed to pull up their desktop on their home computer and access media files

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

sweet, huh?

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wagnerrp:

seems the cloud exists in your own home now

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Beirdo:

I wish

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wagnerrp:

everyone has their own cloud farm!

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eternis:

luckily flac torrents don't require fiber.

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Beirdo:

those commercials are so retarded

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eternis:

yet some ppl don't know how to rip.

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Beirdo:

eternis: torrent is forbidden topic here.

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eternis:

I saw a cover saying 'recorded in 92khz 24bit' yet the flac was freaking 41khz

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eternis:

oops

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wagnerrp:

verboten

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eternis:

sorry

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Beirdo:

!parrot

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wagnerrp:

i dont know where you would get audio of 92kHz /or/ 41kHz

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eternis:

keine problem

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eternis:

cd's are 41khz

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wagnerrp:

no they arent

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Beirdo:

no they aren't

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Beirdo:

they are 44.1kHz

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eternis:

oh my bad

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eternis:

typo then

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wagnerrp:

and that still doesnt explain where 92kHz came from

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eternis:

saddly bluerays sound is higher than cd's :(

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Beirdo:

heh :)

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eternis:

94khz+

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eternis:

?

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justinh:

96

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wagnerrp:

41*2 = 82

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Beirdo:

not much point in 96kHz sampling that I can think of

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wagnerrp:

i could understand 88.2kHz or 96kHz, but not 92kHz

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justinh:

nor in 192k

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justinh:

but they do it still

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Beirdo:

how much spectrum (really!) is used above 22kHz where the shannon limit is for 44.1kHz?

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justinh:

24-bits – there I can see the point if you're doing multichannel recordings

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: nyquist sampling says you only need double the frequency of what youre recording to prevent aliasing

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Beirdo:

exactly

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justinh:

everything else is likely just snake oil

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justinh:

yay!

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wagnerrp:

but there is benefit in being higher than that

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Beirdo:

and most humans could barely hear 22kHz anyways

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** eternis double checks **

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justinh:

intermodulation, yada yada

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Beirdo:

let alone 48kHz

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justinh:

on paper digital audio should sound better than analogue.. but does it? not always :)

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wagnerrp:

double gets you the frequency

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Beirdo:

there's so little spectral content up there that most people literally would not know the difference

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wagnerrp:

but you need another double that to accurately get the amplitude

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Beirdo:

not really

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Beirdo:

you don't need 192kHz sampling to sample 24kHz tones that aren't even there

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Beirdo:

that's my whole point :)

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wagnerrp:

no, there is no need for 192 unless youre doing stretching

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wagnerrp:

but i see a purpose to something in the 60–90kHz range for accurately capturing the higher end of the hearing range

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Beirdo:

yeah, it can be useful for some things, true

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Beirdo:

umm, most adults can't hear even close to the limit there

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justinh:

thought the theory said it's all flat to the nyquist frequency

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eternis:

for instance this is blueray --> AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 640.0 kbit/41.67% (ratio: 80000->192000)

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eternis:

according to mplayer

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justinh:

this adult can't even hear 18khz, truth be told.. be lucky if it's 15k

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eternis:

the last thing is because I got jackd configured to 192k

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Beirdo:

20k for a child, 12k ish for an adult

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wagnerrp:

yeah, im 18.5 in one ear, 17.5 in the other

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at0m:

15 yrs to go :o

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justinh:

less if that adult's been or still is a nightclub regular :P

[15:45:52]

wagnerrp:

well... at least if my headphones are of any realistic reproduction of those high frequencies

[15:45:53]

Beirdo:

so better fidelity at > 20kHz is absolutely pointless for human use

[15:46:13]

Beirdo:

now, for bats, sure

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iamlindoro:

Umm, the above is most certainly not bluray

[15:46:26]

Beirdo:

or even for dogs :)

[15:46:27]

justinh:

maybe it's for recording dog whistles & bats

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iamlindoro:

It's someone's stolen transcoded blu-ray, maybe

[15:46:40]

justinh:

so pets can enjoy home cinema :D

[15:46:42]

iamlindoro:

but it is most certainly *not* Blu-ray

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** iamlindoro doesn't even know where to begin with people who think their 8 GB internet MKV BS stolencrap is the same as Blu-ray **

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Beirdo:

so you can send signals to the dog to go hump someone's leg mid-movie

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at0m:

Beirdo: a dogs whistle is 50cents

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eternis:

I am aware is not the same as blurays

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eternis:

but h264 can do wonders

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iamlindoro:

Then don't say "this is blu-ray"

[15:48:46]

iamlindoro:

blu-ray is *already* H.264 is most cases

[15:48:50]

eternis:

oh you are right

[15:49:00]

iamlindoro:

compressing it down isn't magic. It's lossy and it's not the same.

[15:49:16]

iamlindoro:

And defeats the purpose of Blu-ray entirely

[15:49:31]

Beirdo:

might as well get a DVD

[15:49:35]

iamlindoro:

It's not blu-ray any more than taping your CDs can be called CDs

[15:50:04]

eternis:

for a good laugh... ehem, I meant expert audio discussion read on these reviews about Denon 'dedicated link cable' --> http://goo.gl/MCoE

[15:50:18]

iamlindoro:

We're familiar

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justinh:

m0v13-r1p.group-n@me.x264.mkv ftl

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eternis:

iamlindoro: that link is freaking ROFL!!

[15:51:27]

eternis:

by the way, there's no bluray section in mythtv

[15:51:36]

eternis:

or just video files section

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eternis:

only DVD

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iamlindoro:

Um, wrong

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iamlindoro:

on all counts

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iamlindoro:

a) MythTV supports Blu-ray, I wrote the support myself

[15:52:19]

iamlindoro:

b) MythTV does have a video files section, I maintain it myself

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eternis:

for the 0.23 version or trunk?

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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justinh:

mythtv has had video support for a *long* time now

[15:53:24]

iamlindoro:

MythVideo has been around for years (the video files and metadata manager)

[15:53:25]

eternis:

yes DVD, not bluray

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Beirdo:

that's priceless

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iamlindoro:

Blu-ray support has been in trunk for about five months

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Beirdo:

eternis: give up now.

[15:54:11]

iamlindoro:

We support both direct playback from the disc as well as playback of BDMV folder structures from within MythVideo

[15:54:22]

** eternis goes back to look at his mythtv **

[15:54:28]

EdWyse_Mobile:

"a) MythTV supports Blu-ray, I wrote the support myself" NICE!!! I've been putting off buying any BD disks for that! Thanks!

[15:54:54]

eternis:

I must've not configured it correctly then

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justinh:

iamlindoro: you've come a long way, baby

[15:55:03]

Beirdo:

now that I've had my morning's entertainment, I guess I should go to work :)

[15:55:12]

iamlindoro:

justinh: Well, they keep doubling my salary, have to deliver ;)

[15:55:18]

justinh:

heheheh

[15:55:38]

justinh:

and all I got was this lousy t-shirt? harumph

[15:56:01]

iamlindoro:

EdWyse_Mobile: Note that while ripped/unencrypted blu-ray works fantastically, That playback direct from disc of commercial titles is limited by linux libraries for decode

[15:56:07]

justinh:

actually no it wasn't lousy.. nor did it have much to do with mythtv

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iamlindoro:

EdWyse_Mobile: See the wiki Blu-ray page for more details

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iamlindoro:

s/decode/decryption/

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EdWyse_Mobile:

mmm... ok, maybe I won't buy them then...

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wagnerrp:

EdWyse_Mobile: got a windows machine?

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iamlindoro:

EdWyse_Mobile: Every disc I own works fantastically, including decryption and direct playback

[15:58:01]

EdWyse_Mobile:

No

[15:58:26]

iamlindoro:

EdWyse_Mobile: It's just that there's no support for decryption BD+ encrypted discs (Fox titles, mostly) and we don't have decryption codes yet for some of the newer AACS titles

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wagnerrp:

got a windows license floating around anywhere? (XP or better)

[15:58:34]

iamlindoro:

But anything MKB v10 and less works great

[15:58:45]

iamlindoro:

meaning anything <= mid 2009 or so

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EdWyse_Mobile:

I don't mind waiting. If Hollywood doesn't want me to buy movies, I'm fine with that.

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iamlindoro:

As wagnerrp suggests, AnyDVD HD works great on Windows, we both just rip our titles-- can just copy the contents of the disc to your MythVideo share using AnyDVD and play everything perfectly

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EdWyse_Mobile:

It's all about the money. If they don't want it that's fine. It doesn't mean I have to miss out on anything though. I won't say more since that's a forbidden topic though.

[16:01:24]

iamlindoro:

EdWyse_Mobile: Ugh, why would you even allude to that?

[16:01:39]

EdWyse_Mobile:

If they ever wake up and sell me what I want, I'll be happy to spend money though.

[16:01:40]

iamlindoro:

Casual mention of theft as if it's okay is offensive to some of us

[16:02:02]

** iamlindoro is quickly being worked up into "no first warning" mode this AM **

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justinh:

IMHO if it's not worth buying it ain't worth wasting 2 hours of my life on either :-)

[16:03:17]

EdWyse_Mobile:

Because I have a nice theater with a good media server and they think they shouldn't let me use it because they're scared that I'll be a thief. Ironic.

[16:03:39]

EdWyse_Mobile:

I'll go back to lurking.

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iamlindoro:

EdWyse_Mobile: Their fears appear to be justified since you not so subtly suggested that you do just that

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justinh:

so just go right ahead & prove their 'unfounded' theory huh? lol

[16:04:46]

EdWyse_Mobile:

yet, "we both just rip our titles"

[16:05:04]

EdWyse_Mobile:

The only reason that's legal is because the courts shot down that part of the dmca.

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justinh:

that's far less grey – and could conceivably be termed 'fair use'

[16:05:20]

EdWyse_Mobile:

hypocrite

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iamlindoro:

EdWyse_Mobile: Ripping of content that one owns is legal and has support case law

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iamlindoro:

Downloading it is not, and does not

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iamlindoro:

And ya know what

[16:05:56]

iamlindoro:

Hmm, he handled that for me

[16:05:58]

** AndyCap downloads legally. :P **

[16:06:17]

iamlindoro:

AndyCap: Obviously I meant non-purchased illicit downloads

[16:06:25]

AndyCap:

just wishes there was a service like emusic or the others for movies too.

[16:06:32]

justinh:

chuh

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justinh:

like that'll ever happen

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** AndyCap is an optimis **

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justinh:

IMHO it won't get much further than rentals

[16:07:14]

justinh:

I don't mind, but I refuse to pay half the disc price to rent a movie

[16:07:29]

justinh:

esp. at low bitrate/resolutions

[16:07:34]

wagnerrp:

so the music industry started dropping DRM en masse a couple years ago... wonder if the movie industry will ever follow suit

[16:07:36]

AndyCap:

yeah, that's not on at all

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justinh:

mind, not that I'll likely be much more willing to put down my own time to watch the stuff they churn out year on year

[16:08:41]

AndyCap:

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justinh:

oh we get broadcast bitrates from the cableco

[16:09:09]

justinh:

maybe better than broadcast

[16:09:12]

iamlindoro:

Wow, if Blu-rays are in the arae of 10 pounds, that's not bad at all

[16:09:24]

justinh:

yeah some are

[16:09:25]

iamlindoro:

Even our new ones at the mass market retailers tend to be $25 US or so

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justinh:

a lot are actually

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AndyCap:

they're the cheap ones though.

[16:09:34]

wagnerrp:

and we get blurays around here for 5£

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justinh:

ahh mass market retailers a la HMV et al... ker-ching!

[16:09:50]

wagnerrp:

you regularly see stuff for <$10 on amazon

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AndyCap:

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iamlindoro:

There's some random chaff that you can get for $10–15, but nothing worth owning IMO

[16:10:21]

justinh:

depends if you're prepapred to wait a while

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iamlindoro:

Best prices outside of that stuff tends to be the brand new releases

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justinh:

if you must have the new release as soon as it's out then yeah dig in yer pockets

[16:10:47]

iamlindoro:

then a linear increase from just "egregious" to TV box sets, which are downright criminal

[16:11:01]

iamlindoro:

justinh: Yeah, it's the opposite here though, in the large retailers

[16:11:03]

AndyCap:

hmm, Mad men on blu ray was fairly cheap

[16:11:05]

iamlindoro:

the new stuff tends to be discounted

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justinh:

yeh well those soon fall off steeply over here

[16:11:19]

justinh:

that's *weird*

[16:11:22]

iamlindoro:

and then bumps up to "standard" price within a few weeks

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justinh:

over here you pay more early on

[16:11:35]

AndyCap:

well, who said it would make any sense. :P

[16:11:35]

justinh:

though not always

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iamlindoro:

I imagine that they're trying to inflate the disc sales by making it more appealing early on

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justinh:

maybe trying to get it to chart

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justinh:

always pays to shop around

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AndyCap:

maybe it's related to the other creative accounting.

[16:13:56]

AndyCap:

yeah, you get 5% of the revenue of the first months disc sale average.

[16:16:07]

iamlindoro:

Plus, there's probably a production volume dropoff after the first few weeks/months so economies of scale tip towards more expensive

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justinh:

heh maybe it's everything they thought was gonna be a big seller ends up bargain basement discount

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justinh:

though when avatar was released first time round I'm sure it was only about £10 at ASDA (walmart)

[16:17:54]

justinh:

anyway.. time I braved the dodgem car traffic

[16:17:57]

iamlindoro:

justinh: You mean when it was called "Dances with Wolves?"

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iamlindoro:

("released first time round")

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AndyCap:

and here I thought it was pocahontas

[16:18:25]

iamlindoro:

Aliens, even

[16:18:35]

iamlindoro:

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/aliens_avatar

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AndyCap:

Hehe. cool

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wagnerrp:

Aliens? and here i thought it was a remake of Fern Gully

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JEDIDIAH__:

It's Hollywood... there are so many endless possibilities... '-)

[16:27:22]

wagnerrp:

wow... creating an agency for the monitoring and policing of extraterrestrials actually went to a vote in Denver last night

[16:27:50]

clever:

wagnerrp: what 3 letters did they pick for the agency name?

[16:28:46]

wagnerrp:

doesnt say

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clever:

it could already be MIB :P

[16:29:06]

eternis:

I just listened to a piece of vivaldi in native recording --> AUDIO: 96000 Hz, 2 ch, s32le, 2562.7 kbit

[16:29:29]

eternis:

I can feel the difference

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wagnerrp:

it was proposed by one Jeff Peckman, a meditation instructor and promoter of 'new technology'... whatever that means

[16:29:44]

eternis:

I have a question...

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wagnerrp:

so that means any denver citizen and propose a bill and get it put up for a vote?

[16:30:13]

eternis:

what hz and kilobits would CD's need to have to match analog LP recording quality?

[16:30:40]

wagnerrp:

like you say, theyre analog

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wagnerrp:

you cant 'match quality'

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eternis:

damn! we are screwed!!

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eternis:

that's a sad thing to learn.

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wagnerrp:

if you had to measure it, the frequency would be measured by the linear rate of the platter and whatever the smallest vinyl structure that could maintain structure is

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wagnerrp:

considering LPs are CAV, that means quality varies from the inner to outer tracks

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clever:

outer tracks having more detail per second

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eternis:

I didn't know that

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eternis:

so we are screw regardless

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: great, now you reminded me of the big "alternative" expo coming up

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eternis:

can mythtv play LP's?

[16:36:13]

eternis:

just kidding :D

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clever:

iamlindoro: http://gallery.earthtools.ca/4245957438_12633077a5.jpg

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AndyCap:

eternis: get a lp player with rs232 interface and write a plugin? :P

[16:37:01]

wagnerrp:

clever: i have seen that one

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clever:

wagnerrp: its just more proof that holywood is running out of ideas

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eternis:

also the Naavi aren't the tree people in Zelda?

[16:39:03]

AndyCap:

the navii are perverted animal fornicators.

[16:41:03]

eternis:

there's a avatar 2 movie apparently

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iamlindoro:

It's James Cameron

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iamlindoro:

the correct term for the sequel is "Avatars"

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iamlindoro:

Followed by Avatar^3

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eternis:

true

[16:43:17]

eternis:

anybody like 400 blows?

[16:43:18]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro: technically, shouldn't it be Pochahontases. :)

[16:43:20]

eternis:

just curious

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wagnerrp:

during which the avatars will all be destroyed in a pit of molten something... perhaps a volcano

[16:43:41]

wagnerrp:

but then they will be resurrected using genetic engineering 200 years later

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AndyCap:

since cameron only made the sequel.

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AndyCap:

wonder if ridley scott made something like avatar

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AndyCap:

1492?

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eternis:

and this one with the mayans!!

[16:46:26]

eternis:

the mayans are the tech civilization and the hut ppl are the avatars.

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eternis:

AndyCap: Apocalypto

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wagnerrp:

hehe.... 'untitled alien prequel #1', 'untitled alien prequel #2'

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eternis:

is it possible to map the forward backward mouse buttons with escape and previous page in mythtv?

[16:52:06]

wagnerrp:

havent they milked that franchise enough

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wagnerrp:

eternis: probably, and if not you can probably find some way to map those to key presses

[16:53:47]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: seems youre getting multi-byte issues again in your log page

[16:53:49]

eternis:

oh I see my problem, is that all the extensions are checked off with a BIG red cross

[16:54:18]

eternis:

can use the 'Use default player' for files media?

[16:55:14]

wagnerrp:

yes yoda, the default player (Internal) will play just about any media you come across

[16:55:59]

eternis:

I think the 'earth' theme is somewhat messed up

[16:56:14]

wagnerrp:

the 'terra' theme?

[16:56:22]

eternis:

wagnerrp: ha ha, you are not the first calling me n00b yoda

[16:56:29]

eternis:

yes terra I meant

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: great.

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Beirdo:

just what I need :)

[16:56:57]

wagnerrp:

of course people are going to call you yoda, look at that sentence structure

[16:57:32]

wagnerrp:

most of the words were there, but they were all a jumbled mess

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** eternis picks 'Childish' theme **

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eternis:

english is not my first tongue

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: the bottom fell out with Aliens versus predators.

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** eternis wishes plain text configuration files for mythtv **

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eternis:

is there some plugin to pull trailers from apple?

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wagnerrp:

no, only apple software can pull trailers from apple

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eternis:

mm.. so where how can one view trailers?

[17:05:22]

eternis:

that'd be nice to have

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wagnerrp:

you should be able to pick them up in youtube through mythnetvision

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eternis:

alright

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eternis:

does the place where I have my video files need to have a special structure?

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wagnerrp:

there used to be a 3rd party script that added apple trailers to the menu XML, but that was in violation of apple's TOS

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eternis:

mythtv says 'NO files found' and I pointed to the place where I keep the movies

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wagnerrp:

if you want mythvideo to recognize the name, and be able to search for metadata... http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing

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eternis:

oh, well youtube got good quality trailers.

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eternis:

isn't as organized as apple though

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wagnerrp:

however you do have to manually tell it to scan for videos

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wagnerrp:

through the 'm' menu

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eternis:

thanks

[17:09:31]

wagnerrp:

if you dont like it, complain to apple about them locking out 3rd party applications

[17:09:36]

wagnerrp:

theyll be happy to ignore you

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Beirdo:

be sure to ask for it in Flash format. We all know how much Apple loves Flash.

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eternis:

what's the 'm' menu?

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wagnerrp:

the menu that pops up when you press 'm'

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RDV_Linux:

eternis: In MythTV 0.24's Netvision is a new grabber just for Movie trailers and a search for specific movie trailers on youtube

[17:13:22]

eternis:

has two options 'About' and 'Cancel'

[17:13:46]

eternis:

the 'm' menu in which window?

[17:13:56]

wagnerrp:

in 'watch videos'

[17:14:22]

eternis:

got it

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eternis:

I am getting this problem --> NVP(0), Error: Couldn't find an A/V decoder for: '/mnt/raid0/films/Akira.mkv'

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Beirdo:

!parrot

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** MythLogBot looks around the channel for parrots for Beirdo to smack. **

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wagnerrp:

seems you transcoded to some format we dont understand

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eternis:

mm.. so what do I do?

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wagnerrp:

just re-rip off the disk, and use the original VOB/M2TS

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wagnerrp:

mythtv can handle either just fine

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iamlindoro:

heh

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eternis:

also mythv is distorting the movies instead of making fullscreen to their normal ratio.

[17:25:06]

iamlindoro:

MythTV isn't doing anything it's not told to do

[17:25:25]

iamlindoro:

MythTV will only adjust existing aspect ratios if *you* have set an override

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iamlindoro:

speacifically, a stretch mode or aspect ratio override

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eternis:

ok

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eternis:

is that under Appereance?

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** iamlindoro posts http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7546203/ one more time for good measure **

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iamlindoro:

It's in playback settings

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eternis:

do you mind putting it like this from the parent menu? this --> that --> Playback Settings

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eternis:

I am not yet fully familiarize with all the menus

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eternis:

gnash won't play that site unfortunately

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eternis:

the gnash that I have just plays youtube

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sphery:

eternis: it would be in tv playback

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SteveGoodey:

Beirdo: Good spot with the circular symbolic links in that guys video directory the other day. :-)

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Beirdo:

Thanks. We've seen that before, and it's quite hard to deal with in the code

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nvrmore100:

simple question, just upgraded to 0.24-fixes and can't seem to find any way to change themes, the option doesn't appear in the "Appearance" menu as it had before, just OSD theme, have even moved out the current them from the filesystem, and the default theme also doesn't have this option, did it get moved somewhere?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, you need to read the menu options-- you passed it on the way to where you ended up

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iamlindoro:

Theme Chooser

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nvrmore100:

ahh…sorry guess I was too quick to jump to the old area :)

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nvrmore100:

onto a tougher question, mythvideo refuses to work for me as of the 0.23 dev release from last week, upgraded to 0.24 today in hopes it would resolve itself, but it doesn't

[17:37:06]

nvrmore100:

can't see any compile errors, seems to install fine

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nvrmore100:

but the menu for "watch videos" does absolutely nothing, no errors in mythfrontend log, even at highest verbosity

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like you have an old version of the mythvideo lib installed

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iamlindoro:

which it will tell you at frontend startup

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iamlindoro:

specifically, that it does not match your instlled libraries

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iamlindoro:

That's the only case in which the option will do nothing whatsoever

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iamlindoro:

which means compile cruft/user error

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nvrmore100:

ok, I'll go run through a compile again, see if I can see any errors

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nvrmore100:

and dig through the frontend log again

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iamlindoro:

failure to make distclean, failure to clean out old installed libraries before steamrolling over them, installed to two prefixes, etc.

[17:39:28]

iamlindoro:

You can and should confirm that the message comes up at frontend startup-- it will tell you about the library version mismatch

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iamlindoro:

in the log

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nvrmore100:

ok will do, thanks for the tip!

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iamlindoro:

np

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eternis:

when changing channels I get this error in the GUI 'Irrecoverable recorder error' and this is the log from the backend --> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/285614/

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eternis:

how to fix this?

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eternis:

when watching TV it works for just one channel.

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sphery:

eternis: you can't record from JACK

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sphery:

you have to use either ALSA or OSS devices

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sphery:

fix your capture card audio device in mythtv-setup

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eternis:

sphery: ok

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Beirdo:

fugh

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Beirdo:

can someone please give me an IV with IQ points to drip into my system?

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Beirdo:

it's ThreadPool/HTTP/Max I mistyped it *3* times :(

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sid3windr:

heh

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sid3windr:

an IQ IV

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sid3windr:

If such thing existed I don't think you'd be on the first few pages of the elegibility list

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eternis:

iv to crack wep?

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eternis:

what do you mean

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eternis:

iv = initializator vectors

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sid3windr:

no, an IV

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sid3windr:

intravenous thingy? :P

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sid3windr:

damnit man do you not watch house and stuff. ;>

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Beirdo:

language :)

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Beirdo:

and yeah, I need a caffeine IV too

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sid3windr:

excuse my english

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eternis:

I watch internet

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sid3windr:

I mean dangit obviously...

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sid3windr:

;)

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Beirdo:

of course you do :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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JEDIDIAH__:

...nevermind house. ANY medical related drama or comedy

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JEDIDIAH__:

It's like being raised by wolves, or the amish.

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wagnerrp:

or ever knew anyone who has had a significant medical procedure in the last 50 years

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JEDIDIAH__:

...that too

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JEDIDIAH__:

hurts like a m*th*rf*ck*r, makes my skin crawl thinking about it.

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sphery:

You know, medical-related dramas (and, comedies, it seems) may be banned in some areas of the world

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall it hurting

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sphery:

http://www.tvsquad.com/2008/08/20/scrubs-grey . . . ed-in-italy/ (I don't think they ever did, but...)

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wagnerrp:

but i only had a general anesthetic

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wagnerrp:

man that was fun

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wagnerrp:

im normally a very reserved person, but im a 'happy drunk'

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wagnerrp:

just came back and hes already away?

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smudgeblot:

Hey guys, I was wondering if this IR remote would be compatible with mythtv and if I could use the mouse function on it too (http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Control-Infrare . . . /B00224ZDFY)

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eternis:

how can specify the sound card to use for mythtv?

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eternis:

in mythtv

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eternis:

is it the same syntax as alsa?

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eternis:

like this ALSA:hw:1,0

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eternis:

phew at least I got changing channels now

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eternis:

and sound!!

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eternis:

:D

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eternis:

:)

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smudgeblot:

#mythbuntu

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smudgeblot:

woops

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Beirdo:

what?

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Beirdo:

#9176 is now for 0.24?

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Beirdo:

who's going to work that?

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eternis:

I don't get it, the sound is going full speed

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eternis:

and the video tries to catch up with it

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wagnerrp:

ugh... trying to set up a local svn mirror and svnserve wont take my hook changes

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wagnerrp:

its still using some old version from... somewhere unknownn

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eternis:

this is maddening!!

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sphery:

eternis: using a V4L framegrabber is the most-challenging setup possible--perhaps you should get a real encoder card (like the PVR-150) and save yourself the madness

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sphery:

at least for your first try

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wagnerrp:

what tuner card do you have?

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sphery:

that said, I would never use a framegrabber, today

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sphery:

too inefficient

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sphery:

If I were doing SDTV, I'd be using PVR-150

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i thought he was talking about output, not input

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eternis:

it's a cx88[0]/2: subsystem: 11bd:0051, board: Pinnacle PCTV HD 800i

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wagnerrp:

so digital only

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eternis:

with this module cx88[0]/1: CX88x/0: ALSA support for cx2388x boards

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eternis:

both

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eternis:

right now I am only setting up the analog part

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sphery:

well, from his previous pastebin ( http://paste.pocoo.org/show/285614/ ), he had a misconfigured capture card (using JACK audio input), unconfigured Recording Profiles, and possibly other problems

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** wagnerrp refuses the reality that framegrabbers exist, and insists thats a digital-only card **

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sphery:

i.e. stuff that would just work properly if he used an encoder card like the PVR-150

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** JEDIDIAH__ lurked a long time and used what was recommended and used by others when he was a myth n00b **

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sphery:

eternis: yeah, as wagnerrp implies, you do /not/ want to use analog on that card

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eternis:

it worked now with a weird combination when I added this in .asoundrc --> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/285670/

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eternis:

oh I see what you mean

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sphery:

eternis: and if you eventually decide to, at least start with configuring the digital side--since that's easier

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JEDIDIAH__:

some stuff just "works better" regardless of what OS or app you're talking about. best to see what's been proven.

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SteveGoodey:

But, you don't want it too easy.

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eternis:

last time wasn't esier

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eternis:

do I get the same free channels with digital?

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eternis:

with digital I gotta find out the frequency on my own the make a list and feed that file to mythtv?

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eternis:

at least it was this way last time.

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smudgeblot:

I wondered if anyone can help me: I tried to follow the guide as best as I could to change the name of buttons inside mythtv (created a theme and editted mainmenu.xml in my theme) but the buttons stay the same

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smudgeblot:

I change the theme inside mythtv to smudgebuttons but no changes happen

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wagnerrp:

syncing a local repository mirror over 27k revisions... this is going to take a while

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Wicked:

*cough* git *cough* ;)

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wagnerrp:

shut up you git... :P

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, git probably would be better

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Wicked:

lol

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wagnerrp:

im trying to get something to manage multiple local branches

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wagnerrp:

and supposedly git handles those better

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Wicked:

i read something regarding a large git repository...it stated that to download the complete svn repo would take days...where as to download the entire repo from git just a hour or two

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Wicked:

which i found pretty amazing

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Wicked:

i only do coding for myself...but use git....its real easy to use branches

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Wicked:

im a complete noob with svn/git....i was able to setup my own git repo with relative ease and establish all i needed...a few testing branches then the main branch

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kormoc:

svn is a ton easier

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kormoc:

and git sucks when you get huge repos

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Wicked:

i guess its all what your used too

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Wicked:

hmm. what aspects do you think suck?

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kormoc:

when you're required to download 100 gigs of git repo to work with a 12k subdirectory....

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Wicked:

you could just clone that one subdirecotry

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kormoc:

Wicked, git doesn't work that way

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: you ever use svnsync?

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kormoc:

yes, all the time

[21:11:35]

Wicked:

hmm

[21:11:37]

Wicked:

you sure?

[21:11:37]

wagnerrp:

this repository im syncing to, can i commit to it, and continue to sync against the main repository?

[21:11:41]

kormoc:

Wicked, yes

[21:11:46]

Wicked:

i was able to just go download a single folder from a repo

[21:11:57]

wagnerrp:

or can it not handle the changes in revision number

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, it doesn't like it, but you can force it to replay back

[21:12:19]

kormoc:

Wicked, it still downloads the whole repo

[21:12:29]

Wicked:

no..what i just did it didnt

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wagnerrp:

would it be better to start up a second repository for my branches?

[21:13:11]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, yeah

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wagnerrp:

good to know, thanks

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kormoc:

Wicked, sparse checkouts are new to git (1.7+) and have a pile of issues, hardly useable on huge projects

[21:15:02]

eternis:

my tv stalls --> NVP(1): prebuffering pause

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eternis:

how to speed it up?

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eternis:

is there a next/previous key in the keyboard?

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Wicked:

eternis, i had the issue with livetv only....and im still not able to watch livetv

[21:16:54]

Wicked:

but all my recordings show up....so thats good

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eternis:

I am so close of getting this

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Wicked:

that reminds me...i kinda want to see if this can be fixed

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Wicked:

heres a log from both the backend and frontend when i try to go and watch livetv....mythtv consistently fails with livetv...yet for some reason it does not on scheduled recordings http://pastebin.ca/1981022

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ByteChanger:

I was hoping someone could help me get remote viewing working w/ Mythtv 0.23 ?

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ByteChanger:

Oh, sorry... remote view on a windows xp platform...

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cal__:

anyone here in the cleveland area?

[21:32:08]

ByteChanger:

i'm using xmbc, but i think there is a issue with protocol version...

[21:32:45]

Wicked:

remote view as in like vnc? or are you wanting to watch recordings on a remote backedn?

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ByteChanger:

yes, remote backend... except not a myth backend...

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ByteChanger:

windows backend i guess..

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Wicked:

wait what?

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Wicked:

your using xbmc...not mythtv? and your wanting to stream videos from a non mythtv backend?

[21:34:13]

Wicked:

im not sure your joined the right channel! lol

[21:34:21]

ByteChanger:

i'd like to watch live tv (and recordings) off my myth backend

[21:34:29]

Wicked:

ok

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ByteChanger:

from windows xp.

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Wicked:

ah

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Wicked:

ok

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Wicked:

so your using xbmc on windows...and you want to watch recordings from a remote mythbackend?

[21:34:58]

ByteChanger:

yes, correct.

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Wicked:

if so. read this: http://wiki.xbmc.org/?title=MythTV

[21:35:07]

ByteChanger:

oh thank you!

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Wicked:

you need to make mythtv listen for network connections

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Wicked:

and you need to add the source in xbmc like "myth://user:pass@192.168.1.100" where 192.168.1.100 is the mythbackend

[21:36:18]

Wicked:

also xbmc is not really supported in here. if you run into more issues try #xbmc-linux or #xbmc :)

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ByteChanger:

cool. thanks wicked.

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Wicked:

np :)

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Wicked:

hmm so is anyone familiar with what causes the NVP(0), Error: Timed out waiting for prebuffering too long. Exiting.. error?

[21:40:20]

Wicked:

im googling around and dont really see a solution

[21:40:56]

Wicked:

my recordings get recorded...so i know that mythtv can pull in tv from the card

[21:41:04]

Wicked:

it just cant play livetv for some reason

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eternis:

how to change channels with the keyboard like next/previous?

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Daily_Use

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ColdFyre:

why can't gentoo have somewhat newer versions of myth in portage</rant>

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cal__:

iamlindoro: could a poor signal cause my (LaG_) status (that only happends on one channel)?

[21:48:07]

iamlindoro:

yes

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cal__:

why could it only effect one channel? lower frequency maybe, that is more suseptable?

[21:49:03]

sphery:

ColdFyre: because all the Gentoo users switched to a distro that's actually still relev^H^H^H^H^Hreceiving considerable attention, updates, and focus?

[21:49:19]

sphery:

ooops, did I type that out loud?

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JEDIDIAH__:

I dunno. Running Gentoo and complaining about lack of curb service seems an apparent contradiction.

[21:53:01]

coldfront:

anyone have an antec veris htpc case with the soundgraphic vfd/imon?

[21:53:05]

ColdFyre:

^H^H, eh

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

if only there was some developer updated ebuilds that tracked -trunk eh? (http://ebuilds.kormoc.com)

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eternis:

0.23.1_p26437 is not recent?

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kormoc:

eternis, ooh, but then he'd have to unmask it himself! The horror!

[21:58:32]

eternis:

oh I see

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kormoc:

which using mine would also have to be done

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Wicked:

my prebuffer issue does not fall into any of the issues listed here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause

[22:00:16]

ColdFyre:

i have no problem with other ebuilds, i was just whining about the "stock" ones

[22:00:20]

Wicked:

any other ideas?

[22:00:46]

Wicked:

cpu is more then enough, audio is not the issue, network is not the issue, hard drive is not the issue...

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kormoc:

ColdFyre, the stock ones ship with 0.23.1, the lastest stable release we've done. I provide development ones, but they're not stable releases

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** ColdFyre grabs kormoc's ebuilds **

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eternis:

Wicked: that's our issue?

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Wicked:

eternis, http://pastebin.ca/1981022

[22:01:46]

Wicked:

err

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eternis:

NVP(0): prebuffering pause

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Wicked:

yea tea

[22:02:10]

Wicked:

*yea

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Wicked:

NVP(0), Error: Timed out waiting for prebuffering too long. Exiting..

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kormoc:

Wicked, what myth version?

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Wicked:

0.23-fixes

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eternis:

that's not the same as mine

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Wicked:

oh hmm eternis

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eternis:

my issue is that the sound is too fast and the video wants to catch up with it

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kormoc:

eternis, what myth version?

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eternis:

media-tv/mythtv-0.23.1_p26437

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Wicked:

also...all my recordings record

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Wicked:

its ONLY livetv with the frontend i get this issue

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kormoc:

Wicked, if you start live tv, pause it for a few seconds and then play, does it work?

[22:05:31]

Wicked:

i dont even get to the tv...i hit livetv...it says please wait... then nothing ...then it says something about video buffer taking to long

[22:05:37]

Wicked:

i never leave the mythfrontend menus

[22:05:58]

Wicked:

video frame buffering failed too many times

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k_ross_:

is your LiveTV recording profile set up the same as the Default profile?

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Wicked:

is the error it spits out after about 20–30 seconds

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Wicked:

good question

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Wicked:

let me verify

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Wicked:

that would be in the mythtv-setup menus right?

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k_ross_:

no, frontend setup

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Wicked:

oh hmm

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sphery:

and are you using quick tuning on live tv--which may make tuning fail

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Wicked:

hmm

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Wicked:

let me look for the recording profile

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sphery:

if it's tuning fail, you should see indications in the backend log

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Wicked:

only thing different in the livetv profile is it uses a slightly lower bitrate

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Wicked:

sphery, i can see on my stb that its properly changing the channel

[22:09:16]

Wicked:

when i goto livetv the stb shows mythtv switching to the last channel

[22:09:20]

iamlindoro:

There are also some plain english error messages in you backend log about how you ahve broken your recording profile

[22:09:26]

iamlindoro:

it even tells you what you have set wrong

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sphery:

Wicked: ah, for analog tuning quick tuning doesn't apply

[22:09:50]

iamlindoro:

They're not fatal, but they're still wrong

[22:09:54]

Wicked:

yea

[22:10:06]

Wicked:

ive changed htem to use the proper ones iamlindoro :)

[22:10:12]

ByteChanger:

Wicked:... shouldn't VLC work to watch a stream? ie: http://192.168.123.5/channels/9.ts

[22:10:35]

Wicked:

mpeg-2 ps

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Wicked:

i dont know ByteChanger i dont use vlc really.

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** kormoc blinks at ByteChanger **

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ByteChanger:

fair enough...

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kormoc:

There's not a lot of context to that question

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Wicked:

i can also watch videos fine from the video library

[22:12:26]

Wicked:

its *just* livetv giving me crap

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sphery:

how come everyone always focuses on the contexts and ignores the protexts

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kormoc:

sphery, it's cause I'm -O right now

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Wicked:

i tried looking into this a couple months back...but it ended the same way as now...no one is sure why its failing

[22:14:35]

eternis:

does the Digital use the same cx88-alsa device as the framegrabber?

[22:14:36]

Wicked:

a real "whodunit"

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Wicked:

hehe

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kormoc:

Wicked, put a sleep 5 in your tuning script?

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kormoc:

just to let it settle some?

[22:15:18]

Wicked:

the channel changing script?

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kormoc:

yeah

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Wicked:

hmm let me see....it already changes channels slow

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skd5aner:

Wicked: what tuner/capture device?

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Wicked:

pvr-150

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skd5aner:

and it's capturing over...?

[22:17:10]

Wicked:

svideo

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skd5aner:

ah...

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Wicked:

this is my channel changer script: http://pastebin.ca/1981059

[22:18:12]

Wicked:

i had suffered from the "tinny audio" bug

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skd5aner:

well, I don't know if stability of the signal matters on a PVR-150 in regards to receiving a signal or not from an STB – perhaps it does, in which case a sleep might help, but otherwise probably wouldn't matter

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Wicked:

so i found that script that changed channels and fixed the sound issue

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Wicked:

yea. all my recordings work

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Wicked:

its only livetv

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skd5aner:

Wicked: well, that doesn't matter per say...

[22:18:55]

Wicked:

so its capable of capturing

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Wicked:

hmm. i just figured that if all my recordings get recorded fine....it would mean that the card is working

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skd5aner:

Wicked: all of my HD-PVR recordings work fine, but LiveTV will never work without a 5 second sleep in the channel changing script and sometimes even that isn't enough

[22:19:38]

Wicked:

ah. this is only SD

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skd5aner:

which is probably why kormoc is suggesting the sleep

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skd5aner:

what channel does MythTV default to on Live TV on that card?

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kormoc:

a sleep shouldn't matter with a pvr150

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skd5aner:

kormoc: yea, I wouldn't have thought so

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Wicked:

skd5aner, mine defaults to the last channel it tuned too

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skd5aner:

so, whatever that is – can you manually make sure the STB is already set to that channel, instead of relying on the channe changing script to do so?

[22:21:53]

skd5aner:

just a quick and easy way to test

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Wicked:

hmm. i can see mythtv change the channel on the stb

[22:22:34]

Wicked:

and if i hit the up/down button on the stb i can verify that it switched to the correct channel

[22:22:38]

skd5aner:

anyway – I don't have any real great advice for you – was just curious if it was something I might have heard about in the past and dinner's ready... so good luck :)

[22:23:05]

Wicked:

ah yea. seems no one can figure out the cause

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skd5aner:

I was just saying... if you already have the STB on the channel that the tuner starts on, then start up LiveTV and see if anything works that way

[22:23:08]

Wicked:

but thanks skd5aner :)

[22:23:13]

skd5aner:

sometimes I have to do that on my HD-PVR

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Wicked:

ah

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skd5aner:

but, it's a different use case

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Wicked:

well all this stuff used to work....cant pinpoint where livetv stopped working as i dont watch much livetv

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Wicked:

i have a feeling it started with 0.23-fixes

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Wicked:

but cannot verify when it did

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Wicked:

hmm. its something in mythfrontend...just messing around and i went in xbmc...went to mythtv -> live channels -> selected a channel and sure enough xbmc started playing the channel

[22:30:39]

Wicked:

any ideas of what else it could be in mythfrontend?

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Wicked:

thats all using the built in mythtv support in xbcm...im not using any addon for xbmc(like mythbox or w/e)

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ByteChanger:

should the mythbackend be ran as a super user or regular user?

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ByteChanger:

ie: sudo ....

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Wicked:

regular

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kormoc:

it depends on what permissions your devices have...

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Wicked:

well..ideally

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kormoc:

and typically you run it via a init script, not a sudo commandline

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ByteChanger:

yeah, fair enough... the init script will be made... I just want to see what is happening right now... New install...

[22:39:29]

kormoc:

the init script likely exists already, what distro?

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ByteChanger:

debian.

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ByteChanger:

lenny

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kormoc:

debian multimedia has myth with init scripts/etc

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ByteChanger:

so right you are!

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ByteChanger:

etc/init.d/mythbackend ... But I think it is dormant right now...

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ByteChanger:

but your right, i should have it load on boot... maybe enable debug or something to see whats happening...

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ByteChanger:

At least a channel comes up when I try to watch it on the local machine... So, that much is good....

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ByteChanger:

And I get the ANN adding client response when I try to view remotely....

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ByteChanger:

so close...

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ByteChanger:

looks like a bunch of recordings in the /mythlive folder as well....

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ByteChanger:

Oh cool... mythweb is streaming the recordings....

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Anduin:

3

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ByteChanger:

woohoo... that is good enough for me!

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CyberKnet:

Hmm... I have some 0 byte recordings :|

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iamlindoro:

Is Douglas Peale in here?

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iamlindoro:

We need to talk about his ticket opening choices

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iamlindoro:

Need to search existing tickets, and need to not open one ticket for every way you manage to invoke an error

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iamlindoro:

E_NOMANPOWERTOHANDLETHIS

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kisak:

good evening

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kisak:

I recently migrated my do-all server which includes mysql, apache and mythtv

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kisak:

most things came alive after a little encouragement

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ByteChanger:

congrats!

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kisak:

but the thumbnails in mythweb are not getting rendered and I'm having trouble finding an error message to hint me in the right direction

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CyberKnet:

kisak: could be permission related...

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kormoc:

kisak, check the apache error log

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ByteChanger:

hmmm, i just read something about this...

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ByteChanger:

unfortunately, my thumbnails are there....

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CyberKnet:

anyone have any suggestions for figuring out why I have 0 byte recordings? I've looked in Mythbackend.log and I don't see anything out of the ordinary except that the recording stopped after 33 seconds.

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ByteChanger:

well, no unfortunate... but.... can't compare...

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kormoc:

CyberKnet, tuning failed?

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kormoc:

CyberKnet, what myth version?

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CyberKnet:

0.23.20100314–1

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CyberKnet:

I'm not sure if the tuner is failing. I really hope not. It's not that old.

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kormoc:

Tuning != tuner :P

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CyberKnet:

Oh right

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CyberKnet:

heh

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tgm4883:

is that 0.23.0 release?

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tgm4883:

or pre-release?

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kormoc:

it's pretty old, aye

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tgm4883:

20100314, seems pre-release

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CyberKnet:

it's 0.23 + fixes iirc

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kormoc:

I'd move to 0.23.1 before doing much else

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CyberKnet:

wonder why it hasn't updated...

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tgm4883:

CyberKnet, are you running mythbuntu 10.04 with the shipped packages?

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CyberKnet:

tgm4883: I believe so.

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CyberKnet:

not sure if I enabled update builds on this one.

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kisak:

kormoc: there's nothing from today all apache error logs

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CyberKnet:

I had previously.

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CyberKnet:

but that could have been before the box rebuild.

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tgm4883:

CyberKnet, you should enable them

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kisak:

*today in all

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tgm4883:

get at least an up to date 0.23.0 build

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tgm4883:

or upgrade to 0.23.1

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wagnerrp:

heh... my subversion sync is only up to revision 8800

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kormoc:

kisak, check the backend logs and see if there's anything in there?

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wagnerrp:

from 2.5 hours ago

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CyberKnet:

I don't mind enabling them. Just googling the console command again :)

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, no ssh access to the box?

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CyberKnet:

tgm4883: It's the one part about mythbuntu that chafes me ... that apt-get upgrade doesn't upgrade my mythtv version.

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tgm4883:

CyberKnet, it does if you enable auto-builds

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Beirdo:

but he's to chicken :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: sure, why?

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CyberKnet:

tgm4883: Yes. It does. I understand it's my weird personal preference vs. what the vast majority (And willing workers) of mythbuntu desire.

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: i thought the only other manner to duplicate a repository required it be brought offline

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tgm4883:

CyberKnet, there are reasons it is the way it is

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CyberKnet:

tgm4883: Yes...

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tgm4883:

it's alot of work to get an updated package into the official repos after release

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CyberKnet:

drag dagnabbit. I just selected 0.24 accidentally.

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kisak:

kormoc: mythbackend.log doesn't spawn anything helpful while the page is loading

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CyberKnet:

it says choose back if it was a mistake, but there's only an OK button. dang.

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** Beirdo is hearing all the meowing at work. Herding cats, I tell ya **

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tgm4883:

And that would need to be done for each release

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tgm4883:

CyberKnet, yea, cmdline debconf doesn't have back

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tgm4883:

if you keep doing next and don't input the password it will take you back

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CyberKnet:

tgm4883: I appreciate mythbuntu more than I could say. Given that I don't assist in any way, let me say that my gratitude far and beyond outweighs any minor inconvenience I might mention.

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: my sister worked with someone whos dog did that

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wagnerrp:

they had a collie that herded their cats around all day

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wagnerrp:

drove the cats absolutely nuts

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

make the collie a manager of developers :)

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kisak:

hmm ... could be that mythweb is configured wrong for the new server environment

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Beirdo:

or (in my case) the operations guy who has to deal with them

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kisak:

32bit/64bit location mismatch

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** tgm4883 wonders how mythweb being misconfigured has anything to do with herding cats **

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Beirdo:

our Sheltie used to try to herd our cats. One was dumb enough to let him.

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Beirdo:

the other cat would just lie down and the dog would go tearing past

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CyberKnet:

upgrade in progress.

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Beirdo:

headache in progress here.

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tgm4883:

Beirdo, I hear if you put a saucer of milk at the door, it drives the cats away

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CyberKnet:

also tuna. they can't stand the smell apparently..

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brianboonstra:

At what level is "VideoOutput: Preferred renderer: opengl" expected to work on OSX? (A) awesome, like Jason Bourne, (B) works for the lucky like Inspector Clouseau, or (C) charmingly sad like Charlie Chaplin ?

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brianboonstra:

I ask because I tried to use it just now but got a blank white screen

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ByteChanger:

Is that just a snapshot of an image prefixed to recordings? That "MythTV Status" appears before all my recordings...

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wagnerrp:

ByteChanger: ?

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ByteChanger:

I just made a fresh install of myth 0.23 and when I stream a recording in mythweb, before it loads it shows a snapshot of a 'mythtv status' screen...

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wagnerrp:

stream directly through asx? or through flash?

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ByteChanger:

asx

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ByteChanger:

like a still image before the movie starts...

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ByteChanger:

but not my screenshot...

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, nah, just copy it locally and then setup the sync and then you can run svnsync on it from that point on

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, and if it's a new enough svn install, svnadmin pack is very handly

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wagnerrp:

ah, youre saying i just just grab at 27100 (or whatever were at) and sync forward from there

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wagnerrp:

rather than doing so from scratch and pulling in all the history

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kormoc:

well, copy the full repo, aye

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kormoc:

all you're doing is building the repo now, might as well copy the pre-built repo, modify the unrevisioned props and sync from there :)

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ByteChanger:

I noticed a new mythflash in the 0.23 package... How is that compared with the asx?

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wagnerrp:

mythflash?

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kormoc:

there is no mythflash

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ByteChanger:

1 sec

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ByteChanger:

mythflash in mythextras...

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ByteChanger:

dunno what it is tho...

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wagnerrp:

last touched... 19 months ago

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wagnerrp:

scratch that, last touched 3 years ago

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ByteChanger:

yeah, its been awhile...

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wagnerrp:

just a couple MIME changes

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ByteChanger:

ok, well, i just noticed it today... lol

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brianboonstra:

So, uh, OpenGL. Is it a Linux-only thing? It seemed to compile OK anyway.....

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kisak:

still no hints of how to troubleshoot this ... seems the flash video doesn't load either

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kisak:

OpenGL is on all major platforms

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wagnerrp:

brianboonstra: more likely no one currently around who runs mythfrontend on osx

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kisak:

ah ha! half a dozen perl packages could be shot on the new server

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brianboonstra:

@ wagnerrp Yes that would not be surprising.

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brianboonstra:

Any guesses about what a blank white screen means if one is using OpenGL? Logfiles indicate my GPU was found at least.

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iamlindoro:

It means that your adapter/driver likely does not support all the required GL extensions to make Myth's GL video renderer work properly

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iamlindoro:

On OS X, you should be using native OS X renderers

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iamlindoro:

Which will almost certainly work

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iamlindoro:

specifically, quartz

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brianboonstra:

@iamlindoro: Yes, I'm experimenting w/ OpenGL due to #5552

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brianboonstra:

Trying to turn on OpenGL sync etc to avoid usleep

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iamlindoro:

5552 is not related to video renderer

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iamlindoro:

and .24+ don't possess openGL vsync

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brianboonstra:

well that's a blind alley then

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brianboonstra:

Nvidia GT120 by the way

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wagnerrp:

which is... a 9300?

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wagnerrp:

ugh....

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k-man:

wagnerrp: fixed my monitor too!

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wagnerrp:

SG1 does groundhog day, its cheeky and fun

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wagnerrp:

Universe does groundhog day, its just annoying

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wagnerrp:

glad to hear, same problem?

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k-man:

wagnerrp: yeah – blown caps – i don't know why i didn't think of that before

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CyberKnet:

Some update has changed my system fonts to be huge... I've looked in the xorg.conf and don't see anything obvious ... anyone else know what might have caused this? I want to say it happened around the time I disabled Composite extension to get VDPAU working...

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CyberKnet:

(It's not just MythTV fonts – in fact, most of MythTV looks fine, it's really the system font that is messed up)

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CyberKnet:

DPI is wrong.

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CyberKnet:

makes sense.

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