| Tuesday, November 2nd, 2010, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:06] | KimK: | iamlindoro: Yes, they are all Ubuntu. I selected Mythbuntu because I use Ubuntu frequently due to EMC2, a CNC machine control program. http://www.linuxcnc.org/ If I was not "Ubuntu biased", what distro would you recommend for a MythTV noob? |
| [00:01:34] | iamlindoro: | KimK, In that case, yes, I would suggest installing the auto-build package on all machines, and selecting .23.1 as the version |
| [00:01:43] | iamlindoro: | Once you do that, you apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade |
| [00:01:59] | iamlindoro: | let it update all the myth packages, reboot both systems, and you should be in business |
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| [00:04:13] | wagnerrp: | you run your CNC control program on your desktop? |
| [00:04:38] | wagnerrp: | or is that just for setting up the patterns |
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| [00:13:31] | KimK: | No, I don't run a real CNC from my desktop, although I could, but I do have all the normal real-time stuff installed in case I want to do some development on my desktop. "Spinning post-it notes", a friend of mine calls it. And there is also a "sim" mode that I can use to run g-code programs, which is handy before trying to run them on a real machine. It's a lot of fun. |
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| [00:15:23] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: QDir doesnt do loop detection? |
| [00:16:37] | Beirdo: | we've run into this with filenames of pi, etc. |
| [00:16:51] | Beirdo: | it does the one directory, and you have to traverse all subdirs |
| [00:17:14] | Beirdo: | so if you put a loop in your filesystem, the code will happily spin on it forever |
| [00:17:43] | KimK: | iamlindoro: Sorry, I was delayed on the auto-builds install. Do I want to activate the PPA too? (I selected the US repository). |
| [00:18:20] | iamlindoro: | KimK, I am not a mythbuntu user, but I believe that the ppa is only non-myth software. You can probably safely leave it disabled |
| [00:18:35] | Beirdo: | unless he truly has > 1M files in that filesystem, we are seeing a loop |
| [00:18:52] | KimK: | iamlindoro: OK, thanks. |
| [00:18:58] | Beirdo: | whether by symlink, or by some other funky means |
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| [01:01:30] | cal__: | is there a way to scan for just a particular channel where they changed the frequency on me? I dont want to do a global scan and have it automaticly add a bunch of channels over my already completed video source that i did a few months ago. |
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| [01:19:11] | wagnerrp: | someone cranked up the bitrate on NBC tonight |
| [01:19:16] | wagnerrp: | 7GB for chuck |
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| [01:28:43] | sphery: | mine is typical 6.32GiB, so I have a feeling your local broadcaster changed something |
| [01:31:42] | k-man: | wagnerrp: did you fix your monitor in the end? |
| [01:34:00] | wagnerrp: | yeah, $8 in overpriced radioshack caps and 15 minutes later |
| [01:34:03] | wagnerrp: | good as new |
| [01:35:39] | wagnerrp: | 1000uF for 820s, and 470uF for 330s |
| [01:35:48] | wagnerrp: | doesnt seem to be a problem, but time will tell |
| [01:37:44] | k-man: | cool! |
| [01:38:03] | k-man: | you are making me think i could repair this old LCD monitor i have here now |
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| [01:41:10] | k-man: | hah! first few links for my monitor also suggest replacing caps |
| [01:42:17] | wagnerrp: | love them cheap chinese caps |
| [01:42:47] | k-man: | wagnerrp: it could also be to do with the great capacitor scandal |
| [01:43:02] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [01:44:00] | k-man: | hang on, finding a url – but essentially, someone did their calculations wrong for the eletrolytic in capacitor design, millions of caps went into products that were faulty – hence the blown caps you had |
| [01:44:37] | k-man: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague |
| [01:45:09] | wagnerrp: | but blown caps after 4 years of fairly heavy use? |
| [01:45:50] | k-man: | well, i'm no expert, but i believe that they should last that long normaly, blown would be because they were faulty |
| [01:46:10] | k-man: | i think Dell was sued over it too |
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| [01:55:48] | k-man: | wagnerrp: crap, this monitor is built like a tank! |
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| [02:02:37] | k-man: | ah! 2 blown caps |
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| [02:10:11] | Shadow__X: | k-man: was sued over selling known faulty and known leaking caps in motherboards <2004 i think |
| [02:10:37] | Shadow__X: | the worse part is that those were in workstations |
| [02:14:02] | k-man: | yeah |
| [02:14:43] | sphery: | k-man: I heard that was due to failed industrial espionage--i.e. one company paid a guy in another company for the new, significantly-easier-and-cheaper-to-produce caps, and the insider didn't know the tech well enough and didn't get all the info/the right info/the current info, and so the thieving company made faulty caps using the bad/incorrect plans. |
| [02:15:15] | wagnerrp: | for eight years, apparently |
| [02:15:23] | sphery: | oh, yeah, it says that on the page you linked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague . . . g_capacitors |
| [02:15:46] | sphery: | well, a huge number of them got into the supply chain before anyone realized the problem (since they generally worked for years, then failed) |
| [02:15:59] | k-man: | sphery: oh, interesting |
| [02:16:18] | sphery: | and by then, everyone from suppliers to OEMs had them in their stocks and no one really tracked them down |
| [02:16:22] | k-man: | sphery: yeah, many older motherboards that mysteriously fail will have blown caps on them |
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| [02:16:59] | sphery: | yeah, I've replaced some, but anymore--since they're all ancient mobos for me--I've been replacing the system to get more power-efficient systems |
| [02:19:48] | sphery: | the reason the company resorted to industrial espionage was that the new design allowed production for something like an order of magnitude less cost |
| [02:22:55] | k-man: | wow |
| [02:23:05] | k-man: | what company was it? |
| [02:23:16] | k-man: | did they ever get done over it? |
| [02:23:33] | sphery: | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/ne . . . -539299.html has some info |
| [02:24:40] | sphery: | http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/hardware/l . . . motherboards too |
| [02:25:18] | sphery: | the IEEE Spectrum one was the one I read originally back in 2003... Been looking for it all this time, and it was linked from the wikipedia article, too :) |
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| [02:32:38] | iamlindoro: | GO GIANTS |
| [02:32:52] | wagnerrp: | BENGALS! |
| [02:32:55] | wagnerrp: | erm... |
| [02:33:06] | wagnerrp: | SOME OTHER TEAM! |
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| [02:42:50] | Beirdo: | Go Cliff Lee! |
| [02:43:02] | Beirdo: | I don't care if Texas wins, I just want him to win |
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| [02:44:22] | Beirdo: | so I see Mr. Memory Problems is suddenly silent |
| [02:48:20] | iamlindoro: | He can't win without Texas winning... and they didn't |
| [02:48:30] | Beirdo: | booo |
| [02:48:54] | iamlindoro: | Hey, Giants have never won since moving to SF |
| [02:48:55] | Beirdo: | he's on my fantasy team, and used to be a Meriner |
| [02:48:56] | iamlindoro: | they earned it |
| [02:49:12] | Beirdo: | the Rangers have never been to the World Series |
| [02:49:38] | iamlindoro: | and now they have |
| [02:49:45] | iamlindoro: | Giants were the better team, that's all there is to it |
| [02:50:49] | wagnerrp: | castle finally goes to a strip club and... its... so disappointing... |
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| [02:54:43] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [02:55:00] | Beirdo: | sorry, had to go find out why my face was bleeding :) |
| [02:55:11] | wagnerrp: | uh... huh... |
| [02:55:17] | Beirdo: | at least the Rangers did it after GW Bush no longer owns them |
| [02:55:25] | Beirdo: | and the Giants... after Bonds is gone |
| [02:56:23] | Beirdo: | dunno what I did to my face |
| [02:56:42] | Beirdo: | probably scratched it... face wounds bleed like crazy |
| [02:57:24] | wagnerrp: | i cant figure out why recordings opened through mythfs dont have a proper length |
| [02:57:36] | Beirdo: | oO |
| [02:57:45] | Beirdo: | how do you calculate length? |
| [02:57:54] | wagnerrp: | in windows, through direct show, they come up with no length |
| [02:58:02] | wagnerrp: | in-progress recordings |
| [02:58:09] | wagnerrp: | once theyre done, they read fine |
| [02:58:26] | Beirdo: | ah |
| [02:58:39] | wagnerrp: | but it only happens the second time i open something |
| [02:58:57] | wagnerrp: | the first time i open an in-progress recording, it works fine... up to the point that was recorded at the time i opened it |
| [02:59:06] | wagnerrp: | if i open it a second time, its all funky |
| [02:59:20] | wagnerrp: | ... i bet i know what it is |
| [02:59:38] | wagnerrp: | probably a problem with the event handling for open FileTransfer objects |
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| [02:59:57] | wagnerrp: | mythfs gets the filesize update event |
| [03:00:01] | wagnerrp: | but the open file object doesnt |
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| [03:00:15] | wagnerrp: | so the player tries to see to the end of the file |
| [03:00:27] | wagnerrp: | and the file object prevents it because it doesnt think the file is that long |
| [03:01:24] | wagnerrp: | so the file system returns an error code, the player gives up, and the length calculation is borked |
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| [03:12:07] | wagnerrp: | WTF is a 'permanent electromagnet'? |
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| [03:12:51] | Beirdo: | ummm, dunno |
| [03:14:05] | iamlindoro: | Zero Point Unit + metal coil |
| [03:14:06] | iamlindoro: | duh |
| [03:14:46] | wagnerrp: | s/Unit/Module/? |
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| [03:17:40] | iamlindoro: | How is a unit different from a module? |
| [03:21:21] | wagnerrp: | ive never heard anyone refer to a body part as a 'module' |
| [03:21:38] | [R]: | The Big Unit... The Big Module |
| [03:21:42] | [R]: | i could see it... |
| [03:26:18] | Beirdo: | that's what she said |
| [03:26:50] | [R]: | wtf |
| [03:26:52] | ** wagnerrp applauds ** | |
| [03:26:52] | [R]: | is this guy retarded? |
| [03:26:57] | [R]: | i'm watching Pawn Stars |
| [03:27:08] | [R]: | and he claimed a typed letter couldn't possibly be written on a computer |
| [03:27:14] | wagnerrp: | bah... misread |
| [03:27:18] | [R]: | because it used a monospace font |
| [03:27:18] | Beirdo: | yeah, Pawn Stars is full of retards |
| [03:27:27] | wagnerrp: | i thought he said "i can't see it" |
| [03:27:29] | [R]: | because you can't do monospace on a computer... |
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| [03:27:47] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:27:54] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: that would be even better |
| [03:28:50] | wagnerrp: | that would be amazing |
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| [03:35:26] | [R]: | wtf |
| [03:35:29] | [R]: | why would anyone pay for a letter |
| [03:35:34] | [R]: | just because its signed by someone |
| [03:35:43] | Beirdo: | why not? |
| [03:35:48] | [R]: | what... people come over and you're like... oh, look at my letter hanging on the wall |
| [03:35:54] | wagnerrp: | because theyre on... Wheel... Of... Fortune! |
| [03:36:11] | [R]: | this guy said a letter signed by winston churchill would go for $2k |
| [03:36:28] | Beirdo: | and? |
| [03:36:49] | Beirdo: | people collect baseballs with signatures on them. What's the difference? |
| [03:39:10] | [R]: | thats stupid also |
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| [04:19:36] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHA... whoops |
| [04:19:53] | wagnerrp: | pretty serious flaw in the python bindings |
| [04:20:43] | wagnerrp: | when im reading data off the socket, if i encounter an event, i throw it off to a queue for the event thread to handle |
| [04:20:56] | wagnerrp: | if the event thread isnt running, nothing handles the queue, and it just fills |
| [04:21:05] | [R]: | why would it not be running? |
| [04:21:33] | wagnerrp: | because it doesnt run if there is nothing hooked into it to handle events |
| [04:21:53] | [R]: | so isn't that just a problem in things that use the bindings? |
| [04:22:20] | wagnerrp: | specifically, things that use the bindings long duration without running any sort of event handler |
| [04:22:25] | wagnerrp: | so... really not very serious |
| [04:22:47] | wagnerrp: | just threw me off guard when i have an instance open for a couple hours |
| [04:23:04] | wagnerrp: | and then turn on the event monitor only to see hundreds of messages come flooding through |
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| [04:39:55] | gkffjcs: | Hey all, does anyone know how the commercial flagging was implemented? |
| [04:40:36] | [R]: | gkffjcs: the source code is right there... |
| [04:41:04] | gkffjcs: | Where there's a lot of code... what module, area should I look? |
| [04:41:26] | [R]: | well its called mythcommflag... |
| [04:41:32] | [R]: | i wonder... |
| [04:41:39] | wagnerrp: | trunk/mythtv/programs/mythcommflag/ |
| [04:42:06] | wagnerrp: | the decoding logic is pulled in from the main libraries |
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| [04:42:15] | gkffjcs: | Found it thanks! |
| [04:42:17] | wagnerrp: | but the commercial detection is all code within that folder |
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| [04:52:12] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
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| [04:54:02] | coldfront: | Hi I'm looking at getting a new tv i was looking at 50" plasma or a 47" LCD tv both are around $900, just wondering whats better plasma or lcd i know back in the day plasma could get burnt easy i dont know that much about the new ones today. |
| [04:54:41] | [R]: | lcd of course |
| [04:54:43] | wagnerrp: | LED LCD or CFL? |
| [04:55:14] | wagnerrp: | a plasma is going to have much better contrast than a CFL LCD |
| [04:55:15] | coldfront: | cfl |
| [04:55:29] | wagnerrp: | but the dynamic contrast ratio actually has meaning on the LED ones |
| [04:56:03] | wagnerrp: | on a CFL backlit, the best realistic contrast ratio youll ever see is somewhere under 1000:1 |
| [04:56:23] | wagnerrp: | plasmas can do much better |
| [04:56:33] | wagnerrp: | and have better response |
| [04:56:46] | wagnerrp: | but on the opposite, they suck down as much power as a CRT |
| [04:57:45] | coldfront: | hmm |
| [04:59:00] | coldfront: | im not to worried about power |
| [05:02:36] | coldfront: | you think i would be able to tell the difference in the size of a 46" over a 50"? |
| [05:03:01] | wagnerrp: | not easily |
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| [05:12:39] | Shadow__X: | are there any plasma's that do 1080p? |
| [05:12:47] | Shadow__X: | most of the ones i have seen are only 720p |
| [05:13:21] | coldfront: | yeah there are plasma's that do 1080 |
| [05:13:54] | coldfront: | i was looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889187116 plasma or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889102346 lcd |
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| [05:20:02] | wagnerrp: | bestbuy has the P50S2 (vs. newegg's P50U2) for $850 |
| [05:20:38] | wagnerrp: | the U2 retails for $1000, the S2 retails for $1200 |
| [05:20:46] | wagnerrp: | but i honestly cant find a difference between the two |
| [05:21:21] | wagnerrp: | other than this 'clean touch bezel design' |
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| [05:41:59] | k-man: | wish i had a soldering iron here *sigh* |
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| [06:07:55] | eckzow: | So there's lots of changesets going in for the Crystal HD decoder... is it "stable" enough to start considering in a new HTPC build? |
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| [06:09:56] | wagnerrp: | its usable, but i dont think it should be considered reliable |
| [06:10:34] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what a CHD card would make any difference on a new HTPC though |
| [06:10:36] | coldfront: | yeah i bought that 50" plasma:P |
| [06:11:49] | eckzow: | I'm somewhat thoerizing that Crystal HD would be lower power dissapation than VDPAU, but with a giant hdtv on one wonders if that's in the noise |
| [06:12:18] | wagnerrp: | yeah, probably |
| [06:12:24] | wagnerrp: | but you still need to output the video somehow |
| [06:12:37] | wagnerrp: | and that is still going to be recommended with nvidia hardware |
| [06:12:43] | eckzow: | fair enough |
| [06:12:59] | wagnerrp: | besides which, either way is still limited hardware decoding |
| [06:13:21] | wagnerrp: | its recommended you have enough CPU power to decode whatever you need in the event whatever hardware decoder fails |
| [06:13:59] | eckzow: | is that common? I don't know that I've had problems with VDPAU |
| [06:15:52] | wagnerrp: | ive had occasional problems with VDPAU on my recordings |
| [06:16:05] | wagnerrp: | ive heard others have problems with it on bluray content |
| [06:16:48] | wagnerrp: | hardware decoding is great, its just good not to be forced into using it |
| [06:17:22] | wagnerrp: | and if you do a bit of planning, its not difficult to build a small quiet HTPC with enough power to do just about whatever you want in software |
| [06:18:24] | eckzow: | well, I'm trying to see if I can get away with something atom-based. I'm doing mostly mpeg-2 decodes off of an hdhomerun, but it does get up into 1080i content |
| [06:18:43] | eckzow: | but I'm skeptical of atom horsepower |
| [06:18:55] | wagnerrp: | yes, an Atom has no horsepower |
| [06:19:10] | wagnerrp: | and for video use, its next to worthless without VDPAU or VAAPI |
| [06:19:48] | eckzow: | so do you have a preferred cpu, bychance? |
| [06:20:33] | wagnerrp: | nothing in particular, but a high end dual core AMD or Intel will do just about anything you want |
| [06:21:23] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:21:37] | Beirdo: | so memory boy... DID have circular symlinks |
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| [06:24:53] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: seems im going to have to pull insert ids manually from now on |
| [06:25:18] | Beirdo: | hmm? |
| [06:25:29] | wagnerrp: | from mysql |
| [06:25:43] | Beirdo: | why? what happened? |
| [06:25:47] | wagnerrp: | normally the C libraries (and language bindings) provide that |
| [06:25:55] | wagnerrp: | but the new library i want to use doesnt |
| [06:25:59] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [06:26:04] | wagnerrp: | and six months after asking the developer for it, nothing |
| [06:26:25] | Beirdo: | dang |
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| [06:26:44] | wagnerrp: | someone looked at it when i was first complaining, the code looks like its supposed to provide it, it just doesnt work for some reason |
| [06:27:07] | Beirdo: | I assure you it does in C :) |
| [06:27:48] | wagnerrp: | the official mysql bindings support it, but theyre also effectively abandoned |
| [06:29:27] | Beirdo: | that sucks |
| [06:30:39] | wagnerrp: | i had hoped to not have to switch until the database was embedded |
| [06:30:52] | wagnerrp: | but i suspect lack of py2.7 support will become a problem before that happens |
| [06:31:01] | [R]: | what is the oldprogram table? |
| [06:31:03] | Beirdo: | so wait a little longer? :) |
| [06:31:28] | wagnerrp: | the table where old programs go |
| [06:31:36] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:31:38] | wagnerrp: | program is where the guide data goes |
| [06:31:45] | [R]: | but oldprogram is just title and airdate |
| [06:31:51] | wagnerrp: | oldprogram stores a very limited form of it for most of a year |
| [06:32:06] | [R]: | what is it used for? |
| [06:32:10] | wagnerrp: | basically, it provides some lookup for orphaned recordings |
| [06:32:21] | [R]: | hrm |
| [06:34:02] | [R]: | "isn't that franks bag?" |
| [06:34:08] | [R]: | "i thought you were franks bag" |
| [06:34:09] | [R]: | i love mash |
| [06:34:29] | [R]: | but does anyone else think its just a horrible show... married men are always sleeping around... |
| [06:34:44] | wagnerrp: | only the one |
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| [08:49:34] | justinh: | [R]: a show set amid the vietnam war... if a married man sleeping around is as horrible as it gets I think that's not bad going ;) |
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| [08:59:05] | sid3windr: | yea what's wrong with that... I'm a married man and I als- uhh, nm :) |
| [09:06:19] | justinh: | if you start pulling up TV series for infidelity.. sheesh you're gonna have a long list |
| [09:14:18] | justinh: | circular symlinks huh? Like in his recordings SG or something? Ouch |
| [09:14:32] | justinh: | BAD developers, not checking the sanity of users ;-) |
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| [09:33:27] | k-man: | wagnerrp: updated to mythvidexport 0.7.2 but now i get the error: Invalid MythVideo grabber |
| [09:34:35] | k-man: | does jamu modify files on disk? or only metadata in the mythtv database? |
| [09:38:02] | justinh: | jamu downloads images – so in that sense modified files on disk |
| [09:38:22] | justinh: | but AFAIK it doesn't do any renaming of files but acts on database metadata |
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| [09:39:02] | k-man: | justinh: thanks |
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| [10:01:22] | elitost: | any of you using mythtv on a Winfast usb 2 deluxe (external usb tv tunner) ? |
| [10:05:54] | justinh: | I doubt it |
| [10:06:35] | justinh: | but you should check the linuxtv.org wiki hardware section to see what works in linux & what doesn't... then generally if it works in linux you can use it with mythtv |
| [10:06:43] | justinh: | !url tuners |
| [10:06:44] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [10:06:49] | elitost: | ty |
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| [10:08:45] | elitost: | found it on Not Validated boards |
| [10:08:47] | elitost: | yet |
| [10:08:50] | elitost: | i hope |
| [10:11:53] | justinh: | it's never a good idea to see something listed as not validated & still buy it in the hope it'll work |
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| [10:13:05] | elitost: | i agree |
| [10:13:18] | elitost: | sadly got it from a friend some time ago |
| [10:13:33] | elitost: | remember about it and wanted to check |
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| [10:47:21] | justinh: | haha! Android 7" Tablet is now at ASDA for under a hundred quids. Eat that, Joggler |
| [10:58:10] | justinh: | and no, not a likely candidate for a myth frontend – *before* any dustybin starts |
| [11:00:31] | clever: | justinh: could still be a neat remote |
| [11:01:05] | clever: | pull up preview images from each show and let you scroll then before you pick a show&frontend |
| [11:03:01] | justinh: | remote?:-O |
| [11:03:10] | justinh: | remote with a 3 hour battery life. LOL |
| [11:03:25] | clever: | suspend when not in use :P |
| [11:03:35] | clever: | dont use it for volume, just the initial picking of a show |
| [11:03:53] | justinh: | meh |
| [11:04:05] | justinh: | I don't need no stinking touchpanel remote control for mythtv |
| [11:04:10] | justinh: | not with one frontend |
| [11:04:24] | justinh: | and no immediate plans for more frontends either |
| [11:04:51] | justinh: | we watch TV as a household. lives are disconnected enough, families disjointed enough |
| [11:07:54] | elitost: | seems mplayer works to play my tv tunner |
| [11:08:07] | elitost: | now i even got sound, beside initial only image |
| [11:08:23] | elitost: | but don't know yet how to change channels |
| [11:08:33] | elitost: | or where i can find or set a chanlist for my area |
| [11:09:00] | elitost: | it's normal that a tunner output image sound in a player like mplayer and don't work in mythtv ? |
| [11:09:33] | k-man: | i set up a myth video group and now my videos don't play, i get an error: No stream found to handle url myth://Videos@192.168.1.2:6543/downloads/The Wire/Season 3/The Wire s03e03.mkv |
| [11:09:34] | elitost: | or supporting it and make it work in mythtv is more then capturing a raw imagine-sound outputed by a device |
| [11:10:03] | elitost: | ? |
| [11:10:28] | justinh: | elitost: are you using it like this? mplayer /dev/video0 ? |
| [11:10:34] | elitost: | yes |
| [11:11:00] | justinh: | what's the *exact* model of the tuner? does it have an mpeg2 encoder onboard? |
| [11:11:12] | elitost: | mplayer -tv driver=v4l2:width=640:height=480:outfmt=i420:alsa:adevice=hw.0:amode=2:audiorate =44100:forceaudio:immediatemode=0:norm=PAL tv:// |
| [11:11:28] | elitost: | it's a leadtek |
| [11:11:34] | elitost: | winfast usb II deluxe |
| [11:11:39] | elitost: | em28xxxx something |
| [11:12:03] | justinh: | probably just a framegrabber then. My advice would be to forget you own this card & get a proper tuner |
| [11:12:39] | elitost: | :) |
| [11:12:44] | elitost: | i had a proper one |
| [11:12:47] | elitost: | but manage to burn it |
| [11:12:57] | elitost: | got a nexus hauppage |
| [11:13:13] | elitost: | a dvb |
| [11:13:19] | elitost: | kinda expesive at his time |
| [11:13:30] | elitost: | was using it with my satellite dish |
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| [11:14:18] | elitost: | now i got a silly usb tv tunner |
| [11:14:26] | elitost: | witch is not even supported too well |
| [11:14:37] | elitost: | only drivers i found on manufacturer website is for xp |
| [11:14:39] | elitost: | windows xp |
| [11:14:40] | elitost: | :) |
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| [11:26:43] | mzb: | speaking of windows, which irc client do the windows users prefer these days? |
| [11:27:17] | elitost: | mirc afaik |
| [11:27:23] | justinh: | shudder |
| [11:27:27] | justinh: | pidgin |
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| [11:28:18] | justinh: | elitost: anyway you won't be likely to find linux drivers on a manufacturer's website. And even if you did that wouldn't mean the device would work with mythtv |
| [11:28:37] | justinh: | the manufacturers who put linux drivers on their websites tend to only have closed source drivers anyway |
| [11:31:09] | elitost: | yes true |
| [11:31:25] | elitost: | was only pointing the fact they don't really care |
| [11:32:07] | justinh: | why should they? it's not as if linux users will ever be in the majority :P |
| [11:32:29] | clever: | http://en.windows7sins.org/ |
| [11:32:33] | elitost: | not having vista/win7 drv's for a product |
| [11:32:37] | elitost: | is kinda silly |
| [11:32:39] | justinh: | oops. I forgot. Next year will be the year of the linux desktop. like every year |
| [11:33:19] | justinh: | muhhhhhhhhh, windows sucks. windows... windows! I mean WHO CARES? Honestly |
| [11:33:26] | elitost: | last update on that product was jan 2005 |
| [11:33:39] | elitost: | and they sell it in stored for many years |
| [11:33:48] | elitost: | not sure if atm it's still on the market |
| [11:34:20] | elitost: | :/stored/stores |
| [11:34:23] | justinh: | having owned a leadtek device in the past I can honestly say I don't think they even support *windows* users |
| [11:34:42] | elitost: | was browsing theyr support |
| [11:34:46] | elitost: | and for some products |
| [11:34:47] | elitost: | they do |
| [11:34:56] | justinh: | no, they provide driver downloads. Sure |
| [11:35:00] | elitost: | but it's not a habbit |
| [11:35:02] | justinh: | but that's not *support* |
| [11:35:12] | elitost: | it's a part |
| [11:35:12] | clever: | bbl |
| [11:35:14] | elitost: | at least |
| [11:35:27] | elitost: | providing drivers / updates and patches |
| [11:35:30] | justinh: | support is when you go to them saying "hey, this thing of yours I bought doesn't work properly" and them helping |
| [11:35:35] | elitost: | maybe sometimes respond to consumers emails |
| [11:35:42] | elitost: | with complains and questions |
| [11:35:52] | justinh: | not them replying with "did you download the new driver & install the whole OS again?" |
| [11:35:53] | elitost: | may be considered support |
| [11:36:00] | elitost: | :)) |
| [11:37:26] | justinh: | leadtek devcie support is pretty much how I ended up using linux for my DVR in the first place |
| [11:37:30] | justinh: | *device* |
| [11:37:37] | elitost: | i've read some days ago that nvidia made a joint venture or someting with Steam |
| [11:37:56] | elitost: | and now users of Steam , gamers can update theyr drivers via that software |
| [11:38:27] | elitost: | or AMD (former ATI) not sure |
| [11:38:44] | elitost: | but one of the major video cards giants |
| [11:42:25] | elitost: | loging out |
| [11:42:33] | elitost: | thank you for your time |
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| [11:42:44] | elitost: | wish you a nice day |
| [11:42:51] | elitost: | hope we spoke again someday |
| [11:43:03] | elitost: | bye |
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| [13:16:34] | justinh: | unsurprisingly, all the reviews of that tablet & its 10 inch brother I can find say it's pretty much junk. heh |
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| [13:45:18] | RDV_Linux: | k-man: Jamu can rename and move file but that is not the main function as justinh wrote. See Jamu wiki for utility function details such as video file move and rename. |
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| [13:51:11] | RDV_Linux: | justinh: I sure would like to find a 10" android tablet with WiFi to replace my eeePC for watching videos in bed before I nod off. The eeePC is getting old. Seems I will have a while to wait until the market shakes out. Will not buy Apple due to their over controlling policies. |
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| [13:53:21] | justinh: | it's just the price that puts me off in general. |
| [13:53:31] | justinh: | that & having to use itunes lol |
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| [13:54:09] | justinh: | resistive touch screens.. so no multitouch...it's gonna be pretty meh I think |
| [13:54:38] | justinh: | mind I dunno how well capacitive screens work for folks with long fingernails – e.g. my wife |
| [13:54:52] | justinh: | presumably, not very well at all |
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| [14:03:04] | justinh: | hey that twitter thing came in handy again. SPAM! |
| [14:03:06] | justinh: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Reverse_Phone_Lookup |
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| [14:13:04] | jannau: | justinh: conductive nail varnish |
| [14:15:41] | justinh: | heh. kinda figures |
| [14:18:12] | wagnerrp: | k-man: still around? |
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| [16:21:36] | smudgeblot: | Hey guys...I'm totally new to mythtv and ubuntu (just installed last night). I am having trouble getting my hauppauge 950q to pick up channels. It can lock on them, but no channels are found. any ideas? |
| [16:23:39] | smudgeblot: | are there people here? |
| [16:23:47] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [16:24:54] | smudgeblot: | Ah, good. I am a totally noob to installing anything on ubuntu and mythtv. Do you have any recommendations on where to start (either online or here) for getting the 950q to work? |
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| [16:26:21] | wagnerrp: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-950Q |
| [16:26:30] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs |
| [16:26:45] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Index |
| [16:27:25] | smudgeblot: | thanks wagnerrp, I'll start there. I really appreciate it |
| [16:28:14] | wagnerrp: | are you trying to do broadcast or cable? |
| [16:28:36] | smudgeblot: | broadcast |
| [16:29:07] | wagnerrp: | and youre in the process of scanning, and just not picking anything up? |
| [16:29:55] | wagnerrp: | it could be you just need a larger antenna, or one mounted in a better location |
| [16:29:58] | smudgeblot: | yeah. this is all i've done so far: installed mythbuntu, installed ivtv via synaptic package manager, run mythtv backend (it saw the card as DVB) and did a scan |
| [16:30:12] | wagnerrp: | you dont have an ivtv card |
| [16:30:21] | wagnerrp: | and the 'ivtv' package isnt needed for them anyway |
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| [16:30:34] | smudgeblot: | oh, well I had read I needed it installed on one site for the 950q to work |
| [16:30:51] | wagnerrp: | so you added the card, you added a source, you mapped the tuner input on the card to that source? |
| [16:31:11] | tgm4883: | Does it work outside of mythtv? |
| [16:31:13] | wagnerrp: | no, the analog side of the 950q is a framegrabber, ivtv cards are mpeg encoders |
| [16:31:24] | smudgeblot: | no, i can't get it to work on tvtime either |
| [16:31:30] | wagnerrp: | what site told you you needed ivtv for the 950q? |
| [16:31:33] | wagnerrp: | tvtime is analog only |
| [16:31:48] | wagnerrp: | and chances are there are no analog channels within range of you |
| [16:31:51] | smudgeblot: | and since ota is digital it no longer works? |
| [16:31:59] | wagnerrp: | the only ones that still exist are low power with little range |
| [16:32:06] | smudgeblot: | ah, ok. |
| [16:32:31] | smudgeblot: | hmm...let me try my bigger antenna then (I just have the cheap one hooked up to test it, but have a big one on my tv) |
| [16:32:49] | tgm4883: | is it a digital antenna? |
| [16:32:58] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [16:33:02] | ** tgm4883 wonders if that even makes sense ** | |
| [16:33:05] | wagnerrp: | what is a digital antenna? |
| [16:33:12] | tgm4883: | IDK, I have cable :) |
| [16:33:18] | tgm4883: | I just read boxes |
| [16:33:28] | JEDIDIAH__: | OTA tuning is a dark art. |
| [16:33:30] | wagnerrp: | an antenna is an antenna, theyre all analog |
| [16:33:35] | tgm4883: | I assume it's a frequency thing |
| [16:33:36] | tgm4883: | ah |
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| [16:33:51] | wagnerrp: | digital doesnt come into play until you get to the demod and try to decode the signal |
| [16:34:03] | tgm4883: | I see |
| [16:34:17] | smudgeblot: | ok, trying it again with new antenna |
| [16:34:42] | wagnerrp: | remember that the channel numbers have nothing to do with the physical channel they are broadcast on |
| [16:34:52] | wagnerrp: | for instance channel 5 digital could be broadcast on channel 53 |
| [16:35:03] | wagnerrp: | so if you skip over 5 and get nothing, dont be surprised |
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| [16:36:21] | smudgeblot: | same problem |
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| [16:36:26] | smudgeblot: | It locks on the channel |
| [16:36:31] | smudgeblot: | but then says there are no channels |
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| [16:36:50] | iamlindoro: | Two minutes isn't nearly enough for you to have done a full scan |
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| [16:37:00] | iamlindoro: | And locking and saying that there are no channels isn't an indication of a failure |
| [16:37:08] | iamlindoro: | it's an indication that on that physical channel, there are no programs |
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| [16:38:12] | iamlindoro: | There's no rocket science to this, you set the card up as DVB card type, you add a video source to it, you make sure you're using the us-bcast frequency table, and you scan, patiently waiting for it to finish entirely |
| [16:38:14] | smudgeblot: | I have it set with no grabber and a DVB, is that right? |
| [16:38:36] | iamlindoro: | Well, no grabber means you'll end up with a more or less useless mythbox, but yes, it would technically function |
| [16:38:37] | wagnerrp: | you should be scanning the 'ATSC' channel table |
| [16:38:47] | smudgeblot: | I am scanning the ATSC |
| [16:39:07] | smudgeblot: | yes, I know the grabber gets me channel listing, but right now just trying to see if tuner will work |
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| [16:39:28] | wagnerrp: | erm no... us-bcast table, 8VSB type |
| [16:40:36] | smudgeblot: | ah....my bigger antenna picked up the channels! I'm not at a total loss anymore. that is very helpful! |
| [16:41:01] | smudgeblot: | I didn't think of it maybe not picking it up as well without a bigger antenna |
| [16:41:25] | smudgeblot: | So this grabber thing. I had read there is a free online one...but again have no idea what I'm doing /how to do it (total noob as I said) |
| [16:41:33] | wagnerrp: | check out tvfool.com |
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| [16:41:53] | wagnerrp: | there used to be a free listings grabber in north america, but that was like three years ago |
| [16:41:54] | iamlindoro: | smudgeblot: As you are in the US, no, the only option is Schedules Direct, at $20/year, very well worth it |
| [16:42:02] | iamlindoro: | With a two week free trial |
| [16:42:12] | wagnerrp: | it was free for non-commercial use, but abused by commercial uses, and shut down |
| [16:42:25] | iamlindoro: | $20/year gets you the same programming guide TiVo users pay $15/month for |
| [16:42:29] | wagnerrp: | schedules direct is basically the same exact service, but licensed for end users |
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| [16:44:26] | smudgeblot: | sry, firefox crashed |
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| [16:45:00] | smudgeblot: | ok. I opened mythtv front end but no channels show and I either get some "jumper" error, black screen, or it keeps telling me to log in to my computer |
| [16:46:13] | smudgeblot: | any idea what any of those would mean? |
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| [16:48:01] | iamlindoro: | Myth will never tell you to log into your computer |
| [16:48:10] | iamlindoro: | and no idea what a "jumper" error is, sounds like you're paraphrasing |
| [16:48:27] | smudgeblot: | I know, I saw it once and I saw the word "jumper" in an error, just thought you may know |
| [16:48:56] | iamlindoro: | we don't have any error message that contains the word "jumper" |
| [16:49:27] | smudgeblot: | Here's what I did. Opened mythtv front end. Clicked Watch TV. Got a black screen on channels and then when I push the up key to change channels a login screen opens with my computers name. |
| [16:49:28] | iamlindoro: | If X is crashing back to the login screen, you have a video driver issue |
| [16:49:33] | smudgeblot: | I log in and it takes me back to the main screen |
| [16:49:39] | iamlindoro: | So X is crashing |
| [16:49:49] | iamlindoro: | not a Myth issue, you have some distro issue, likely with video drivers |
| [16:50:03] | smudgeblot: | distro means what? |
| [16:50:12] | iamlindoro: | Linux distribution |
| [16:50:25] | iamlindoro: | The flavor of linux which you have installed, your operating system |
| [16:50:35] | smudgeblot: | ok...mythbuntu would be my distro, right? |
| [16:50:38] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [16:51:12] | smudgeblot: | so I have nvidia 8400gs. where would i start to install the right drivers (again, total noob to ubuntu, sorry ) |
| [16:51:15] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like your video hardware may require closed source drivers which you have not installed |
| [16:51:30] | iamlindoro: | don't know, you'd need to ask them in mythbuntu, but likely through their "restricted driver manager" |
| [16:51:35] | iamlindoro: | in #mythbuntu, that is |
| [16:52:26] | smudgeblot: | so even though I'm seeing everything on my computer through my monitor through the nvidia card, I still have a driver issue |
| [16:52:32] | smudgeblot: | right? |
| [16:52:41] | hednod: | you keep having to login dont you? |
| [16:52:53] | iamlindoro: | smudgeblot: yes |
| [16:53:15] | smudgeblot: | here let me recreate it once more to double check (this browser may close on me ...it did last time ) |
| [16:53:15] | hednod: | X is crashing for some reason, though you have not told us if its crashing when you try to do something or crashing when left alone |
| [16:53:19] | Beirdo: | WTF! |
| [16:53:23] | iamlindoro: | hednod: yes, he has |
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| [16:53:39] | iamlindoro: | hednod: He said that it crashes when attempting video playback |
| [16:53:40] | Beirdo: | how in the heck is that failing??! |
| [16:53:43] | hednod: | iamlindoro: ah |
| [16:53:58] | smudgeblot: | ok, when opening frontend no problems |
| [16:54:08] | smudgeblot: | I can switch between all media library, setup, etc with no issues |
| [16:54:12] | smudgeblot: | now goign to "watch tv" |
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| [16:54:24] | hednod: | smudgeblot: you could check the mythfrontend.log for clues, but its not going to be mythtv itself that is at fault |
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| [16:55:54] | smudgeblot: | and it crashed |
| [16:56:03] | hednod: | smudgeblot: #mythbuntu is going to be more helpful than we are |
| [16:56:16] | iamlindoro: | smudgeblot: Have you enabled the nVidia proprietary driver? Until you do so, install it, and reboot, you are not going to get anywhere |
| [16:56:29] | smudgeblot: | how do I check if I enabled it? |
| [16:56:31] | iamlindoro: | smudgeblot: Likely there is an icon in the tray at the top left telling you restricted drivers are available |
| [16:56:51] | iamlindoro: | You would ideally know if you had |
| [16:56:51] | hednod: | smudgeblot: there is a mythbuntu control panel under your gnome applications menu somewhere. |
| [16:56:59] | iamlindoro: | as enabling anything without reading it will cause real issues |
| [16:57:01] | smudgeblot: | I remember installing nvidia |
| [16:57:18] | smudgeblot: | and asking to activate it...but again, I don't know if there's a missing step |
| [16:57:20] | hednod: | smudgeblot: when you login and mythfrontend loads, hit esc until it prompts you to exit mythtv. (do not select the reboot or shutdown options) |
| [16:57:36] | hednod: | smudgeblot: you'll end up at the desktop and you can check the drivers in the mythbuntu control center |
| [16:57:37] | ** iamlindoro quits trying, group troubleshooting is useless, too many cooks ** | |
| [16:58:06] | smudgeblot: | i'm in the control center |
| [16:58:22] | skd5aner: | I think you should try to install nuveaou driver |
| [16:58:28] | skd5aner: | j/k |
| [16:58:32] | hednod: | skd5aner: that's mean =p |
| [16:58:48] | smudgeblot: | I would've...as I said, total noob |
| [16:58:59] | hednod: | smudgeblot: we know |
| [16:59:21] | smudgeblot: | under restricted drivers it says "launch restricted drivers manager", and under NVIDIA it says "launch NVIDIA settings" |
| [16:59:28] | smudgeblot: | is that what I need to check? |
| [16:59:52] | hednod: | smudgeblot: when you launch restricted drivers manager, what do you see? |
| [17:00:01] | hednod: | smudgeblot: what drivers are listed |
| [17:00:31] | smudgeblot: | that's all that i have listed under Graphics Drivers |
| [17:00:55] | smudgeblot: | AMD Catalyst Control Center is grayed out with "Launch AMDCCCLE" |
| [17:01:16] | Beirdo: | so... I need to fix myth_system AGAIN. I even tested these changes, and then they mysteriously stop working?! |
| [17:01:19] | smudgeblot: | oh, sorry missed the first |
| [17:01:52] | smudgeblot: | under additional I have "NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (version current) [Recommended] selected |
| [17:02:07] | smudgeblot: | Ah...it says the driver is not activated |
| [17:02:15] | hednod: | that may be your problem |
| [17:02:37] | smudgeblot: | you may just be a ubuntu genius =) |
| [17:02:44] | iamlindoro: | And only 12 minutes after I said so |
| [17:03:02] | iamlindoro: | But thank god we've got consensus |
| [17:03:16] | smudgeblot: | iamlindoro: just didnt know where to check that |
| [17:03:40] | iamlindoro: | I said that part 7 minutes ago :P |
| [17:04:11] | smudgeblot: | not about the control centre =) |
| [17:04:17] | iamlindoro: | No, I told you the faster way |
| [17:04:43] | smudgeblot: | ok...it says to restart, I'll be back shortly |
| [17:04:45] | iamlindoro: | Specifically, that if there are restricted drivers available but not installed, an icon appears in the tray that you can click once and skip all the intermediate steps |
| [17:05:00] | smudgeblot: | i may just be blind, but dont see that icon |
| [17:05:09] | iamlindoro: | not now that they're installed :P |
| [17:05:18] | smudgeblot: | no, when you first said it i checked |
| [17:05:20] | smudgeblot: | anyway, brb |
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| [17:12:52] | smudgeblot: | Ok guys =) here's what I realized. I did have the current version of NVIDIA activated and thus not seeing your icon iamlindoro, and I activated the older version (not current) |
| [17:13:12] | smudgeblot: | and when the tv starts to load the black screen is system reboot and re-logging in |
| [17:13:24] | smudgeblot: | so you'd recommend moving over to #mythbuntu to work on the video issue? |
| [17:14:03] | smudgeblot: | or do you guys have any other thoughts about it? |
| [17:15:12] | hednod: | smudgeblot: use the latest version, and if that does not work, #mythbuntu may be better suited to your needs |
| [17:15:25] | JEDIDIAH__: | happiness is a hacked scheduler.cpp |
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| [17:16:17] | smudgeblot: | hednod: ok. I did that and same issue. Thanks for helping me figure out at least how to now get channels. |
| [17:16:19] | dewman: | I thought it was #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [17:17:16] | smudgeblot: | iamlindoro, wagnerrp: thanks for yours guys help too. |
| [17:18:55] | wagnerrp: | dewman: its both, one redirects to the other |
| [17:19:07] | hednod: | smudgeblot: your Xorg.*.log and mythfrontend.log may give you some clues as to what is going wrong |
| [17:19:20] | hednod: | smudgeblot: you can probably find those logs with "locate <logfilename>" |
| [17:19:29] | smudgeblot: | through the terminal? |
| [17:19:36] | hednod: | smudgeblot: yes |
| [17:19:42] | dewman: | wagnerrp, ahh....good to know... |
| [17:20:19] | smudgeblot: | just type in the terminal: locate Xorg.*.log |
| [17:22:02] | hednod: | i'm not sure it will work with the * like that, but the logfiles are named Xorg.0.log and Xorg.1.log and etc, usually |
| [17:22:18] | hednod: | smudgeblot: you need to find the one that was most recently modified in order to know you are looking at the right one |
| [17:22:50] | smudgeblot: | ok. and in these logs am I just looiking for "error" "cannot load" type stuff? |
| [17:23:12] | hednod: | smudgeblot: I only see Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old so try Xorg.0.log in /var/log/ |
| [17:23:30] | hednod: | smudgeblot: you are looking for any kind of errors or indication what happens just before it re-starts again |
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| [17:23:44] | hednod: | smudgeblot: probably at the end of the logfile |
| [17:23:47] | smudgeblot: | ok. |
| [17:23:50] | smudgeblot: | thanks |
| [17:23:56] | smudgeblot: | i gotta roll. I'll look into more of it later. |
| [17:24:03] | hednod: | GL |
| [17:24:12] | smudgeblot: | thanks, I'll need it =) |
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| [17:44:58] | cal__: | where do i find the channel frequencies for my digital channels on mythtv? |
| [17:45:32] | high-rez: | dtv_multiplex ? |
| [17:45:34] | wagnerrp: | they are hardcoded in |
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| [17:46:13] | cal__: | in mythtv setup it says you can input either the channel number or frequency when creating a new one |
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| [17:46:51] | cal__: | but with a channel already there, it only shows the number, not the frequency. for sd channels it shows the frequency though |
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| [17:49:34] | ** high-rez is totally confused ** | |
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| [17:51:08] | cal__: | basicly, having trouble finding WKYC digital network channel. it comes in on my hdtv just fine without the cable box. |
| [17:52:17] | cal__: | the tv just auto finds it though, don't have to choose QAM 256/64,HRC,IRC,terrestrial, etc ;) |
| [17:52:39] | wagnerrp: | you want to use QAM-256 |
| [17:52:55] | iamlindoro: | because your TV doesn't have to attempt to adapt to every TV format, everywhere, worldwide, with thousands of variations on hardware |
| [17:52:58] | wagnerrp: | and your TV is likely going to tell you the virtual channel number, not the physical |
| [17:53:10] | iamlindoro: | Your TV has to deal with one tuner, in one locale, with one TV standard |
| [17:53:19] | wagnerrp: | so there is no direct correlation between the channel your TV states, and physical frequency used |
| [17:53:24] | cal__: | yeah its 3_1 on the tv |
| [17:53:37] | cal__: | i wish the tv would tell me the freq so i could put it in mythtv |
| [17:53:50] | wagnerrp: | what version of mythtv are you running? |
| [17:54:16] | cal__: | .22 (plan to upgrade when .24 is available on mythbuntu) |
| [17:54:39] | wagnerrp: | there were significant improvements in the scanner between 0.22 and recent versions of 0.23 |
| [17:54:48] | wagnerrp: | chances are that would resolve your issues |
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| [17:55:16] | cal__: | okay good to know |
| [17:56:05] | cal__: | right now i am scanning QAM256/IRC to see if that finds it. |
| [17:56:28] | iamlindoro: | Why are you using IRC? |
| [17:56:44] | iamlindoro: | Do you know for a fact that your provider uses Incrementally Related Carriers? |
| [17:57:24] | cal__: | just trying all my options. no i dont know that for a fact. |
| [17:57:49] | iamlindoro: | IF you are missing only a single channel, then they don't |
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| [17:57:57] | cal__: | i tried the best suited scenario (256/cable) and didnt find the channel. |
| [17:58:16] | iamlindoro: | If you got all but one channel, then you were using the correct settings |
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| [17:59:09] | iamlindoro: | You *can* have QAM-256 and QAM-64 coexist on a network, so you can scan both back to back into the same lineup and potentially have additional channels |
| [17:59:22] | iamlindoro: | but if you only missed one channel, your frequency table is not to blame |
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| [17:59:47] | cal__: | i am removing all channels with an _ after the scan |
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| [18:01:09] | cal__: | because I assumed all those are just the SD channels that time warner copies over to their digital signal |
| [18:01:10] | About_to_reinsta: | I've never used mythconver_backup.pl. I tried to use it today, it says that is an unknown command. I downloaded it from here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore chmod it. Yet when I navigate to the directly where the file is, and type mythconverg_backup.pl it says unknown command still |
| [18:01:44] | wagnerrp: | do you have perl installed? |
| [18:02:06] | About_to_reinsta: | Don't know, I never purposely installed it I guess. How do I do that? |
| [18:02:10] | wagnerrp: | look at the first line, does the perl executable exist at that location? |
| [18:02:12] | About_to_reinsta: | I'm using mythbunto. |
| [18:05:18] | iamlindoro: | cal__: removing all channels with an _ means you have removed every channel with ATSC signalling |
| [18:05:43] | iamlindoro: | cal__: And if you are missing a channel that is also broadcast in your area, then that's an ATSC signalled channel |
| [18:06:05] | iamlindoro: | Also since you are on .22 with the broken channel scanner, you will get lots of channels falsely called duplicates |
| [18:06:28] | iamlindoro: | You really need to be on current .23-fixes to have an accurate scan, and you need to not edit out channels when you don't know what you're removing |
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| [18:08:25] | About_to_reinsta: | So I see perl is there....I tried typing /usr/bin/perl mythconverg_backup.pl and I get an error "Unrecongized Character in Colum 6 at mythconverg... line 10 |
| [18:09:07] | cal__: | iamlindoro: the other network channels (abc,fox,etc) had _ on them. but yeah looks like i need to suggest new channel numbers for the dupes and manually check every channel by watching it. |
| [18:09:32] | iamlindoro: | cal__: Or just upgrade to current .23-fixes and have it name the channels accurately to begin with |
| [18:10:15] | cal__: | upgrading always introduced a whole new slew of issues for me though. I will do it down the road, just not today. ;) |
| [18:11:28] | cal__: | upgrading mythtv is usually a weekend-long job for me, then the next few days spent fine tuning it just-so. |
| [18:13:38] | About_to_reinsta: | Hmm freaking comcast, putting fake pages when an domain is mistypped...might have been my problem looking into it. |
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| [18:21:37] | About_to_reinsta: | Yeap that was it, sorry to bother you guys. Sucks I know nothing about linux. On other questions I'm about to install mythbuntu onto a new computer, and move my old data over with that backup. I'm using Mythbuntu, can I create a new mythbuntuo install with all the same settings/hosts/passwords/etc as my current install and just restore this database backup using mythconverg_restore.pl? |
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| [18:24:01] | jams: | long as the hostname & ip is the same it should be fine. |
| [18:24:18] | jams: | make sure the tuners are the same as well |
| [18:24:44] | jams: | or delete the tuners and re-add them |
| [18:24:50] | About_to_reinsta: | Ok do tuners have a name? |
| [18:25:02] | About_to_reinsta: | OK I can delete easily enough. |
| [18:25:29] | About_to_reinsta: | how do I check what version of mythtv I have? I just want to just triple couple check |
| [18:26:32] | jams: | mythfrontend --version or if mythtv is already running press "m" and then about |
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| [18:27:01] | jams: | or check the status screen |
| [18:28:46] | jams: | why are you restoring the db? |
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| [18:29:43] | About_to_reinsta: | I'm restoring the DB, because I have a new computer, want to get rid of the old one and do a fresh install. |
| [18:30:13] | jams: | right, but if your starting fresh why restore the db? |
| [18:30:20] | jams: | do you have shows you want to keep? |
| [18:31:25] | About_to_reinsta: | Show I want to keep, although that's not as important as previously recorded history and my scheduled recordings. |
| [18:31:54] | About_to_reinsta: | Is there a way to bakup and restore only the recording shows history and the schedule? |
| [18:32:34] | jams: | i think there is something in the wiki about that |
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| [18:34:09] | About_to_reinsta: | Hmm you are right jams there is something in the wikipedia page I was looking at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore it also says it not recomended though. |
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| [18:34:48] | sphery: | About_to_reinsta: to run any program that's not in an "approved" PATH directory, you must specify a full path to the program. So, for example: ./mythconverg_backup.pl |
| [18:35:16] | sphery: | About_to_reinsta: to clear your capture card data after the restore, do the capture card portion of: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [18:36:04] | sphery: | About_to_reinsta: see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _and_Restore |
| [18:36:20] | sphery: | specifically, the, "By saving the scripts to a directory in the user's PATH, you can execute them without specifying a full path. If you do not save them to a directory in the PATH, you should execute the scripts from the current directory as: ./mythconverg_backup.pl --help" |
| [18:37:05] | sphery: | About_to_reinsta: also, you do /not/ want to restore only the recording history stuff (a "partial" restore). See http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _of_a_backup |
| [18:37:19] | sphery: | About_to_reinsta: then, do it properly with: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _backup_file |
| [18:37:32] | jams: | About_to_reinsta- eh do what you want, if you mess up it's not hard to start over. I have never used that script so I can't comment on whats good or bad about it |
| [18:38:10] | jams: | sphery- why do you not want todo a partial restore? |
| [18:38:25] | About_to_reinsta: | Oh yeah I just noticed the partial restore only does recording rules and current recordings. Thanks I'll stick to the full restore and try my luck with that. |
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| [18:38:40] | sphery: | About_to_reinsta: yes, the partial restore is never recommended because it has no benefits, leaves a ton of opportunities for user error (which may not surface until days/weeks/months later--when it's too late to do anything about it), and is significantly harder to do than a full restore |
| [18:38:56] | sphery: | yeah, full restore is best |
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| [18:39:15] | sphery: | and, as jams said, if you keep the hostname and IP addresses the same before and after, it will work quite well |
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| [18:39:32] | jams: | and redo the tuners if they are different |
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| [18:39:39] | sphery: | if you change hostname, you have to do extra work (at just the right time--and it's easy to mess up) |
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| [18:39:53] | sphery: | if you change ip address, you have to run mythtv-setup on every single computer, again, to set it back up |
| [18:40:04] | About_to_reinsta: | Oh Luckily I have no other front-ends. |
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| [18:40:24] | sphery: | and, yeah, any time you do a distro upgrade, you'll want to do the delete all capture cards stuff from http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
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| [18:41:01] | sphery: | well, still, keeping the ip address and hostname the same is the easiest approach--safest bet for success |
| [18:41:36] | jams: | yes i wouldn't change the hostname/ip |
| [18:41:45] | jams: | thats just asking for failure |
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| [18:42:10] | sphery: | agreed |
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| [18:42:52] | About_to_reinsta: | Ok thanks SOOOO much for your help...Shutting down to start the process will likely be on later if anything comes up. |
| [18:43:13] | sphery: | good luck |
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| [18:43:43] | jams: | if only all people asking for help was like that |
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| [19:00:06] | sphery: | jams: heh, yeah |
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| [19:00:50] | sphery: | and didn't argue about doing it right :) |
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| [19:18:40] | stuartm: | maybe with the setup re-write we can get backup restoration into the UI and automated backups done by the housekeeper ... |
| [19:19:23] | wagnerrp: | i think sphery wants to wait until the database is embedded, and the backend has full control over it, before doing that |
| [19:20:47] | stuartm: | that sounds familiar |
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| [19:27:39] | cal__: | wagnerrp: when I scanned for channels from the "input connection" screen for my capture device, it finally found my missing channel 3_1 .. however when I watch it, only displays a black screen. any ideas? |
| [19:28:14] | cal__: | (the other network channels from that same scan work.. and 3_1 on my tv-direct-to-coax works) |
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| [19:44:16] | sphery: | stuartm / wagnerrp: backup restoration would be fine before then (for interactive database creation/initialization--i.e. mythtv-setup or mythbackend if started in a terminal/not-daemonized) |
| [19:45:28] | sphery: | we could even prompt for the MySQL root password and get rid of the need for mc.sql |
| [19:48:05] | Beirdo: | sphery: if you do that, prompt for the MySQL admin user and password both :) |
| [19:48:35] | Beirdo: | people may not use "root" as admin |
| [19:49:15] | jams: | or don't worry about it |
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| [20:04:20] | wagnerrp: | doesn't everyone use root as the mysql admin? |
| [20:04:38] | wagnerrp: | i mean dont you have to go through a bit of work to define a different admin and remove root? |
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| [20:08:11] | Beirdo: | not too much, and yeah, only a few people would |
| [20:08:19] | Beirdo: | hmm, yeah bah ;) |
| [20:08:42] | Beirdo: | never mind :0 |
| [20:08:45] | wagnerrp: | and arguably, those people could set up mythconverg on their own |
| [20:08:56] | Beirdo: | or at least create the db :) |
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| [20:09:11] | Beirdo: | which is about all that thing does anyways, I guess |
| [20:09:20] | Beirdo: | anyways, be back later. |
| [20:09:27] | wagnerrp: | yeah, mc.sql doesnt do much of anything anymoe |
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| [20:12:34] | stuartm: | sphery: it would be great to drop that manual step of runnning mc.sql, so that sounds like a great idea, make a note of it on the wiki page :) |
| [20:17:34] | Beirdo: | all we really need is to grant for the mythtv user, create database, right? |
| [20:17:57] | Beirdo: | and the code will bootstrap itself from there? |
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| [20:20:28] | cal__: | what could cause just a partial lock? "(laG_) Partial Lock" .. sometimes it shows the video on the channel, most times it does not. |
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| [20:27:28] | stuartm: | Beirdo: yup |
| [20:28:04] | dan4dm: | cal__: weak signal i think |
| [20:28:14] | dan4dm: | (commonly) |
| [20:30:32] | cal__: | it says the signal is 95% |
| [20:30:41] | cal__: | you call that weak? hehe lol |
| [20:32:42] | stuartm: | what's the BER ? |
| [20:34:15] | cal__: | the what? |
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| [20:37:19] | iamlindoro: | You say you are looking at the signal, BER is right next to it |
| [20:37:33] | iamlindoro: | signal isn't an indication of signal quality, just electrical strength |
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| [20:41:52] | stuartm: | https://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv/external_download |
| [20:42:25] | iamlindoro: | no content--- mispaste? |
| [20:42:53] | stuartm: | oops, didn't mean to paste it at all |
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| [20:43:08] | iamlindoro: | heyyyy neat, my kudos got up to 9 :) |
| [20:43:08] | stuartm: | tis the link from – https://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv |
| [20:43:28] | stuartm: | to http://www.mythtv.org/download |
| [20:43:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | must look at the referrer, it doesn't work if you paste it into your browser directly. |
| [20:43:39] | stuartm: | which looks a little sparse and uninviting |
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| [20:44:06] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: see the wiki "packages" page which I did up around pre-.23 |
| [20:44:12] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: That's what I want downloads to look like |
| [20:44:19] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Packages |
| [20:44:28] | iamlindoro: | s/want/wish for/ |
| [20:44:50] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: something like that would look much better |
| [20:45:42] | stuartm: | "88 downloads" << Is fairly misleading and ridiculously low |
| [20:46:14] | iamlindoro: | yeah... I think that a lift of that content and move to the downloads page would be nice-- I know there have been objections in the past re: binaries but since we don't provide any of them, I feel like it would be okay |
| [20:46:42] | Captain_Murdoch: | stuartm, don't feel bad, the linux kernel only has 506 :) |
| [20:47:03] | iamlindoro: | ie put source right up at the top with a link to some nice easy build instructions, and the packages table below it, with nice lickable icons |
| [20:47:11] | iamlindoro: | (I chose those on that page for atractiveness) |
| [20:47:37] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: i dont expect your average ohloh visitor to be too concerned with their listed download count |
| [20:47:39] | iamlindoro: | Though some that ended up there tell you how little effort has been spent to make certain distro icons attractive... |
| [20:48:40] | stuartm: | yeah, I wonder whether simply linking to externally hosted binaries might be acceptable, I'm especially concerned that we don't do enough to announce our cross-platform support |
| [20:49:17] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: true ;) |
| [20:49:24] | Shadow__X: | cross platform as in it running on windows? |
| [20:49:33] | iamlindoro: | windows, OS X, Freebsd... |
| [20:49:35] | stuartm: | Windows, OSX, BSD |
| [20:50:01] | Captain_Murdoch: | even without a source vs binary issue, I'd prefer to link to external pages, not binaries since the filenames will change as packages are updated. |
| [20:50:03] | stuartm: | and of course linux ;) |
| [20:50:18] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: All of the links in the packages pages go to the external DL pages |
| [20:50:19] | skd5aner: | TRS-80, etc |
| [20:50:20] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [20:50:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, I know, but stuartm mentioned linking to binaries |
| [20:50:41] | iamlindoro: | Ah, that's not how I had interpreted it |
| [20:50:49] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: no, thats just one the feature wishlist |
| [20:50:49] | Captain_Murdoch: | should have referenced him in my comment but forgot. |
| [20:51:05] | iamlindoro: | I had read it as removing one of the layers of abstraction (moving the packages page content to the main download page) |
| [20:51:24] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: that's what I meant |
| [20:51:36] | ** iamlindoro wins! ** | |
| [20:51:37] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [20:51:39] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: oh, I guess I'll start working on the port — now let's see, where is my tandy cassette deck at? |
| [20:51:40] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [20:51:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | sorry about that. I like the page. hopefully with 0.25, there will be one less tarball to link to on our page though. :) (mythtv-themes) |
| [20:51:53] | stuartm: | but also adding a link to hosts for both OSX and Windows |
| [20:52:06] | Shadow__X: | has anyone actually been able to use a .23–1 build on windows? I keep trying the ones that are built on the windows page but they just keep crashing |
| [20:52:32] | wagnerrp: | i did use them a while back |
| [20:52:36] | wagnerrp: | never got anything to play |
| [20:52:36] | skd5aner: | Shadow__X: several folks do/have |
| [20:52:40] | stuartm: | Shadow__X: I'd assume so, there are no bug reports I'm aware of |
| [20:52:41] | wagnerrp: | but the UI worked |
| [20:52:49] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: The page already has those |
| [20:52:56] | iamlindoro: | bottom two |
| [20:53:11] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: ah, yeah I didn't scroll down :) |
| [20:53:20] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: yeah the ui works until, you try and go into settings or view recordings. Atleast mine crashes on 2 windows 7 64bit machines |
| [20:53:27] | cal__: | stuartm: BE 0 |
| [20:53:33] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: heh, though I ought to fix the bit about the OSX builds including up to .21-fixes |
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| [20:56:05] | yunosh: | MythVideo (in 23-fixes) should be able to play ISOs from storage groups, if not encrypted (whatever that means), right? |
| [20:56:14] | iamlindoro: | no. |
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| [20:57:03] | wagnerrp: | that capability was not added until 0.24 |
| [20:57:03] | iamlindoro: | When .24 is released, however, that will be the case. |
| [20:57:05] | skd5aner: | yunosh: that was added to trunk and will be available only in 0.24 |
| [20:57:23] | yunosh: | okay, thanks |
| [20:57:24] | stuartm: | I'd like to encourage the distributors of Win/OS X binaries to move to a code hosting service like sourceforge or to invest in proper domains, it's not very professional looking or reassuring to offer binaries via their ISP webspace ... |
| [20:57:48] | skd5aner: | google code, etc... yea |
| [20:58:00] | stuartm: | then again, since we're not providing the binaries it's probably a bit much to dictate how they do it |
| [20:58:17] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: and the binpaste websites theyre hosting the files on /suck/ |
| [20:58:44] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: aye, not good for high-availability |
| [21:00:41] | wagnerrp: | its more the 'install our crapware to download faster' |
| [21:00:45] | stuartm: | if I were a newbie Windows/OS X user I'd definitely think twice about downloading an application off a site with a url such as "members.iinet.net.au/~davco/" which directs me to "hotfile" |
| [21:01:00] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: well there's that too |
| [21:03:41] | stuartm: | heh, the OS X site we link to could be more user friendly, I was staring and staring at the page trying to work out where I should be clicking to download, when I think I've figured it out I'm taken to yet another but very similar page and made to do it again |
| [21:04:19] | iamlindoro: | It also used to have some pretty questionable ads the last time I looked at it |
| [21:04:42] | iamlindoro: | Ah, looks like that's improved |
| [21:05:22] | stuartm: | the final "yes, please download" link is a 32x32 icon hidden away at the top right of the page with no title or alt text, or any label text to draw attention |
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| [21:05:48] | skd5aner: | yay for legitmate options for distributing code/binarys |
| [21:05:49] | stuartm: | http://www.thesniderpad.com/index.php?option= . . . &id=1650 |
| [21:05:52] | iamlindoro: | unfortunately, beggars != choosers |
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| [21:06:12] | jams: | you would be suprised at the number of beggars who are chooser |
| [21:06:13] | jams: | s |
| [21:06:16] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: well, in fairness, the work download works too |
| [21:06:21] | iamlindoro: | jams: heh |
| [21:06:32] | iamlindoro: | s/work/word/ |
| [21:06:44] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: well this is what I'm saying, maybe we can at least make the suggestion that they start using a more professional code hosting service |
| [21:07:07] | skd5aner: | Not hard to get one of these – http://code.google.com/p/support/wiki/GettingStarted &nd ash; not sure if there's a bandwidth limitation or not, I doubt it – http://code.google.com/p/support/wiki/GettingStarted |
| [21:07:23] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Yeah... difficult line to tread-- at what point are we manipulating enough that we're more or less "offering" the binaries from a legal perspective |
| [21:07:25] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: heh, missed that since it's wrapped around in my browser making it appear to be part of the title |
| [21:07:29] | skd5aner: | oops, double paste – sorry |
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| [21:08:18] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: maybe something for the board to raise with our lawyers |
| [21:08:31] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [21:09:31] | skd5aner: | does mythtv have some legal support? that's pretty cool to hear |
| [21:09:42] | iamlindoro: | FSF |
| [21:09:50] | skd5aner: | nice |
| [21:09:50] | iamlindoro: | nobody on retainer or anything |
| [21:10:01] | iamlindoro: | They're "our" lawyers as much as they are anyone else's |
| [21:10:06] | skd5aner: | yea, wasn't sure if it was through them or a pro-bono supporter or something |
| [21:11:57] | ** stuartm chuckles at the idea of MythTV having a private law firm on retainer ** | |
| [21:12:30] | iamlindoro: | You know the government is always being lobbied by "Big MythTV" |
| [21:12:41] | stuartm: | we have a contact at FSF who we've been dealing with a lot recently, they are handling the incorporation of MythTV for us |
| [21:13:17] | skd5aner: | well, didn't know the project was officially incorporating and becoming an entity – cool news indeed |
| [21:13:33] | skd5aner: | best of luck with that process :) |
| [21:13:54] | iamlindoro: | Wait'll you see our reasonable rates for releases |
| [21:14:07] | iamlindoro: | Nothing offensive, all very afordable |
| [21:14:11] | skd5aner: | releases are free, updgrades however... |
| [21:14:16] | stuartm: | it's an open secret, we've not exactly been advertising it, but there's been enough mentions of 'the board' etc in the IRC channels etc |
| [21:15:06] | Shadow__X: | what happen to fos |
| [21:15:20] | skd5aner: | yea – always thought that was just a structure thing, not related to a legal board :) |
| [21:15:51] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X: What about it? |
| [21:16:02] | skd5aner: | In other words – "nothing major happens without running it by these particular individuals" – but, I see it's a bit more than that now |
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| [21:16:21] | iamlindoro: | Being F/OSS doesn't mean we aren't permitted to incorporate and defend ourselves |
| [21:16:22] | stuartm: | Shadow__X: non-profit, FOS needs legal protection too |
| [21:16:32] | Shadow__X: | you are moving away from fos? then charging. Since when did devs need to eat |
| [21:16:41] | skd5aner: | I'm assuming he's joking |
| [21:16:43] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X: We're not charging, it was a joke |
| [21:16:59] | Shadow__X: | yeah i know i made a bad joke |
| [21:17:12] | Shadow__X: | i do agree that fos needs legal protection |
| [21:17:32] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: the idea of charging is starting to grow on me ;) |
| [21:17:37] | skd5aner: | but, there are plenty of FOS companies out there who make a nice penny without really infringing on the letter, or spirit, of F/OSS |
| [21:17:43] | skd5aner: | look at digium |
| [21:18:05] | stuartm: | we could sell T-Shirts and other branded kit ;) |
| [21:18:05] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/trunk --creditcard 1234-5678-8888–9999 |
| [21:18:21] | skd5aner: | stuartm, iamlindoro: maybe you could charge for submitting but reports ;) |
| [21:18:23] | ** iamlindoro doesn't think the brnaded gear is a bad idea at all ** | |
| [21:18:28] | stuartm: | or re-sell Hauppague gear |
| [21:18:30] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Now THAT would be awesome |
| [21:18:40] | Shadow__X: | i agree branded gear could be good |
| [21:18:50] | iamlindoro: | Re-selling known good tuners wouldn't be bad either |
| [21:18:59] | skd5aner: | mythtv approved! |
| [21:19:06] | Shadow__X: | skd5aner: digium provides hardware and support though |
| [21:19:07] | iamlindoro: | Would simplify for those who don't care what they have to buy, just want an easy path |
| [21:19:11] | skd5aner: | or... "MythTV ready" badges ;) |
| [21:19:11] | ** wagnerrp wonders what 'but[t] reports' might be ** | |
| [21:19:50] | skd5aner: | Shadow__X: yea, exactly... digium can make a killing selling hardware and support for a completely free product which doesn't require any of their hardware or support to run :) |
| [21:20:03] | stuartm: | skd5aner: reports would be free, but tickets would be addressed through a bidding system, instead of voting the user pledges $1 for a fix, the bug with the highest totals get fixed first :D |
| [21:20:06] | Shadow__X: | skd5aner: ah right i gotcha |
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| [21:20:25] | skd5aner: | s/but/gub :/ |
| [21:20:27] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: With 75% going to the fixer and 25% to the project? |
| [21:20:31] | iamlindoro: | I actually think it's a great idea |
| [21:20:37] | iamlindoro: | we'd fix the hell out of all our bugs |
| [21:21:05] | wagnerrp: | or, prevent all these 'me too' comments |
| [21:21:33] | Shadow__X: | i wonder how many people would pay |
| [21:21:38] | ** skd5aner would like a small percentage cut for the idea ;) ** | |
| [21:21:39] | sphery: | Beirdo: Yeah, we do GRANT ALL (which includes CREATE). However, the mc.sql creates a user for them... I only meant that we need root for creating the user and granting permissions required (to include create database). |
| [21:22:07] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: maybe ... I can imagine it working the other way around, with people sitting on a fix whilst they wait for the total to grow ;) |
| [21:22:09] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X: We'd still fix bugs for free, just that people could light a fire for what THEY saw as critical |
| [21:22:12] | sphery: | Beirdo: i.e. so you could take a completely "raw" MySQL install and, rather than run mc.sql, just run mythtv-seutp |
| [21:22:43] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Heh. If people are willing to pay for it, and knowing that someone could undercut the dev at any time, no harm in that if we compete against each other :) |
| [21:23:11] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro: oh ok. i wonder how many people would pay for that ability |
| [21:23:23] | sphery: | iamlindoro: those of use who aren't as good at getting things done wouldn't benefit much from this scheme... |
| [21:23:37] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Those (who shall remain nameless) might learn ;) |
| [21:23:40] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:23:55] | sphery: | well, this old dog isn't so sure |
| [21:24:07] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X: If it's not mandatory, then it really doesn't matter |
| [21:24:18] | iamlindoro: | But it *would* allow the Live TV junkies to open a bounty ticket |
| [21:24:31] | iamlindoro: | Since there's lots of people clamoring for live TV improvements that none of us want to work on |
| [21:24:49] | iamlindoro: | But if someone offered me.... I dunno... a few hundred bucks... I might work on some of the usability issues |
| [21:25:06] | ** skd5aner wonders if he's lumped in with the "live tv junkies" ** | |
| [21:25:08] | ** stuartm slips a string of nasty but difficult to find bugs into the code so that he can profit from them later ** | |
| [21:25:16] | Shadow__X: | ah ok.Yeah Mythtv taught me the right way to watch tv. If you find yourself wanting to flip through channels you need to do a better job at recording more |
| [21:25:49] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: In all honesty, I believe that if a feature request tracking system is forced on us (me) then it should be reasonable to also take bounties |
| [21:26:20] | skd5aner: | eh... I've discovered some great shows I didn't know existed because I caught them on Live TV in a hotel room, friend's house, etc... I can only manually discover so much any other way |
| [21:26:42] | sphery: | iamlindoro: also, do we back-charge people who do improper/invalid/also-broken fixes? :) |
| [21:26:47] | skd5aner: | but... to each their own, and I know that isn't the goal (nor should it be) of mythtv |
| [21:27:23] | skd5aner: | sphery: "We're sorry, but your patch fixed 2 bugs and created 6 more – here is your invoice for -$28.00 |
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| [21:28:02] | JEDIDIAH__: | Yes. We usually discover new shows when we are away from the house and only "conventional" TV is available. |
| [21:28:03] | skd5aner: | off to vote! |
| [21:28:21] | sphery: | skd5aner: fixing a bug properly and creating more isn't a problem--that's just good busines |
| [21:28:37] | JEDIDIAH__: | It's not a bug, it's a feature. |
| [21:28:45] | sphery: | skd5aner: it's the broken fixes--that don't actually fix things, maybe just cover up the symptom |
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| [21:29:25] | JEDIDIAH__: | "covering up" some symptoms are good... like when the frontend crashes. |
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| [21:30:14] | sphery: | fixing the bug that causes the crash is better than covering up the crash |
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| [21:30:38] | JEDIDIAH__: | a limp is still better than a sucking chest wound, even if it isn't ideal. |
| [21:30:51] | JEDIDIAH__: | 0.23 is a lot better in this regard. |
| [21:31:03] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: actually I probably agree, I don't really like the idea that I'll be forced to read feature requests |
| [21:31:19] | sphery: | wait? when did the forced to read part come about |
| [21:31:24] | sphery: | I'm against the forced to read part |
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| [21:32:25] | stuartm: | sphery: if feature requests become part of our existing bug tracker, populating the workflow, potentially generating emails etc – not saying that will be the case but a couple of the suggestions given would result in that |
| [21:32:51] | sphery: | Yeah, I'm against that |
| [21:33:19] | sphery: | I don't care if we use a bug tracker that includes votes (though I don't like the idea), but I think all feature requests should be separate |
| [21:33:52] | sphery: | for exactly that reason--I don't want to have to spend all my MythTV time trying to separate the wheat from the chaff |
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| [21:35:28] | iamlindoro: | A vote won't motivate me in the slightest |
| [21:35:30] | iamlindoro: | and check would |
| [21:35:33] | iamlindoro: | er a |
| [21:35:38] | sphery: | agreed |
| [21:35:43] | stuartm: | I don't mind votes so long as it doesn't inject any text into the ticket comments e.g. "JeffK voted for this bug" and that I won't be expected to fix bugs in vote order :) |
| [21:35:46] | sphery: | I would ignore votes if they're part of it |
| [21:35:56] | sphery: | stuartm: right, and no e-mails |
| [21:37:06] | sphery: | that reminds me... which of my TV shows will be ruined tonight with all the polling results plastered all over them |
| [21:37:29] | stuartm: | and since we already have to deal with users who scream bloody murder if their bug doesn't receive attention, I'd not want votes to fan the flames – "100 people voted for this bug which you say isn't a bug! Developers suck!" |
| [21:37:38] | sphery: | cool, nothing much good on, except Nova and Secrets of the Dead--both PBS, which doesn't do that |
| [21:38:30] | sphery: | stuartm: yeah, I think allowing voting is ingenuous since--at least from my perspective--the votes are meaningless, but users will believe otherwise |
| [21:38:51] | stuartm: | absolutely _nothing_ worth watching is shown on Tuesdays in the UK, it's all lifestyle programs etc. pretty depressing but at least I've got weeks worth of films recorded |
| [21:38:55] | iamlindoro: | And for that very reason, I feel the voting system is disingenuos, and possibly unethical |
| [21:39:00] | iamlindoro: | er disingenuous |
| [21:39:13] | stuartm: | yup |
| [21:39:14] | sphery: | (just like when danielk asked us all to vote for the Qt QProcess but--we all expected the votes to mean something, though their lack of progress in solving it doesn't seem to indicate that's true) |
| [21:39:41] | sphery: | iamlindoro: heh, how did I miss the dis? |
| [21:40:13] | iamlindoro: | heh, it makes a BIG difference |
| [21:40:16] | sphery: | yeah |
| [21:41:01] | sphery: | I wasn't trying to say that allowing voting is "lacking in sophistication or worldliness" |
| [21:41:05] | stuartm: | sphery: I'm still waiting on a 5 year old bug/feature request to receive attention in the KDE bug tracker, it's got a few hundred votes or something |
| [21:41:17] | sphery: | wow |
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| [21:41:28] | sphery: | exactly why I think votes cause more grief than good |
| [21:42:10] | iamlindoro: | I don't mind the *concept* of voting, but that's because I feel like if we offer a feature request system in *any* official capacity, that I will be ethically bound to at least read it |
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| [21:42:18] | stuartm: | there's a bug in their tracker with 5447 votes |
| [21:42:44] | sphery: | yeah, progress can't be made by doing things in vote order, so what's the point |
| [21:42:44] | iamlindoro: | You can turn off the notifications, and shout as loudly as you want that we don't *have* to read it, but I will feel an obligation to do so if it's something that we enable |
| [21:43:34] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: unless there is a warning at the top of the submission page telling users that developers are under no obligation to implement or even read their ideas |
| [21:43:59] | stuartm: | I don't mind a better tracker for feature requests, just so long as we're not misleading users |
| [21:44:09] | sphery: | I think that should be the case |
| [21:44:17] | iamlindoro: | I guess at that point I'm on the fence but still experiencing some trepidation |
| [21:44:19] | sphery: | and I still like ideatorrent best for it |
| [21:44:23] | sphery: | because it's totally separte |
| [21:44:33] | iamlindoro: | because "yay torrents of things?" |
| [21:44:35] | sphery: | separate, even |
| [21:44:54] | sphery: | wait, it has nothing to do with BT, right? |
| [21:44:59] | sphery: | it's just a "flood" of ideas? |
| [21:45:02] | iamlindoro: | presumably |
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| [21:45:08] | sphery: | ok, just making sure |
| [21:45:17] | iamlindoro: | just being crass |
| [21:45:17] | sphery: | otherwise, I'd have flip-flopped on supporting it |
| [21:45:19] | stuartm: | and I'll have to bite my tongue when someone thanks me for implementing *their* idea even when it's something I've been working on or planning for months/years ;) |
| [21:45:32] | sphery: | stuartm: heh, yeah |
| [21:45:44] | sphery: | or worse, tells you that you forgot part of their idea |
| [21:45:52] | iamlindoro: | Just cash the check and thank them kindly for their brilliant idea |
| [21:46:00] | iamlindoro: | That's still the kind of feature request that will motivate me ;) |
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| [21:49:25] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: So what's the difference between BBC HD and BBC One HD? I guess BBC One HD is all content on BBC One, in HD, and the other is just selected HD content? |
| [21:51:08] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: exactly that |
| [21:51:45] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Interesting-- so is all BBC One content now officially shot in HD, or will there be unconverted content? |
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| [21:52:29] | stuartm: | BBC One HD, which launches tomorrow, is a simulcast of BBC One, some true HD content, some upscaled – BBC HD has been broadcasting for a couple of years and offers only true HD material selected from all BBC channels |
| [21:52:43] | iamlindoro: | I see. Makes sense, thanks |
| [21:52:52] | iamlindoro: | One never knows when this information will come in handy ;) |
| [21:53:57] | stuartm: | they didn't have enough HD content to make it worthwhile having a simulcast of BBC One, BBC Two etc before, so BBC HD just showed what they did have and as a result it was showing a lot of repeats during the daytime |
| [21:54:38] | stuartm: | which was handy since I was able to snag the missing episodes of Blue Planet, Planet Earth etc for my collection ;) |
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| [21:55:55] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, I think the cost of shooting in HD has dropped precipitously in the last few years, and with all the critical acclaim for BBC HD content, it probably reached a tipping point |
| [21:56:32] | iamlindoro: | And I guess for the SciFi series, the original cost of rendering effects in HD has dropped to a manageable point to (Thus Doctor Who in HD) |
| [21:56:37] | iamlindoro: | er s/to/too/ |
| [21:57:11] | indiana_83: | installed this via synaptic. can't get passed initial configuration, says "cannot login" i used the password i gave when i was prompted during installing with synaptic |
| [21:57:29] | indiana_83: | no idea what user, tried several, mine here, mythtv, etc |
| [21:57:29] | iamlindoro: | !url docs |
| [21:57:29] | MythLogBot: | No match for keyword docs |
| [21:57:36] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: Oh, that one might be nice ^^ |
| [21:57:55] | iamlindoro: | indiana_83: Have you read the MythTV documentation, and whatever your packagers documentation is? |
| [21:58:07] | stuartm: | synaptic – that's ubuntu? in which case #mythbuntu |
| [21:59:08] | iamlindoro: | And they'd probably prefer if you read http://mythbuntu.org/wiki/installation-guide first, too |
| [21:59:14] | indiana_83: | no offense, but i'm not really big into the circling around channels. "go here" "go there" i read, could only find info on "cannot login to database" prompts. |
| [21:59:21] | indiana_83: | forget it sheesh |
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| [21:59:27] | iamlindoro: | Another happy customer |
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| [22:01:38] | iamlindoro: | If only there was some sort of voting system by which he could express that his problem is critical, and deserves immediate and undivided attention, and that based on his extreme need, no reading of the documentation should be necessary |
| [22:01:53] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:02:04] | sphery: | no offense, but shouldn't /you/ be doing all the work for me |
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| [22:02:43] | iamlindoro: | I even wandered my way through the mythbuntu site to find those docs |
| [22:02:49] | iamlindoro: | (they are buried) |
| [22:03:25] | iamlindoro: | You have to click Resources->Community Resources->MythBuntu Wiki->Installation guide |
| [22:03:39] | iamlindoro: | And even when you get there, there's little that's distro specific |
| [22:03:46] | cal__: | Signal 96% |
| [22:04:24] | cal__: | S/N 3.9dB | BE 0 |
| [22:04:37] | cal__: | soneone asked for that earlier, don't remember who |
| [22:05:37] | iamlindoro: | cal__: Then you're not getting signal on that channel because it's not broadcasting at those times, or the channel is transient (ie, a VOD channel), or is at times transmitting in a non-standards compliant way |
| [22:07:23] | iamlindoro: | lower case a means there in not Program Association Table, ie, "there's no channel here right now" |
| [22:07:29] | iamlindoro: | er there's no |
| [22:08:15] | cal__: | hmm okay. once it locks in, it works great every time I go back to it even. then i deleted and reupdated my channel table and it won't pick it up again currently. |
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| [22:09:20] | cal__: | are you referring to the d in dB as being lowercase? |
| [22:09:25] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [22:09:32] | iamlindoro: | I'm referring to the lower case a in your tuning status |
| [22:09:56] | iamlindoro: | the PAT is the first thing it needs to find to complete tuning the channel. There isn't one there. |
| [22:10:22] | cal__: | I didn't type a lowercase a |
| [22:10:54] | iamlindoro: | yes, you did |
| [22:10:55] | iamlindoro: | cal__: what could cause just a partial lock? "(laG_) Partial Lock" .. sometimes it shows the video on the channel, most times it does not. |
| [22:11:16] | cal__: | oh, what I said earlier. got ya. |
| [22:11:55] | iamlindoro: | As far as myth knows (which means, as far as your tuner is telling it) there is no channel on that frequency. |
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| [22:13:57] | cal__: | its really hard to find this channel I am looking for by watching all these erroneous channels it added. get messages like 'video frame buffering failed' then i go to the main menu, if i go back into watch TV it defaults to that channel and dies again and wont let me switch channels. so i go into mythtv-setup to change to a different default channel, back to mythtv front end.. next channel.. whole process repeats. about ready to do a full upgrade at this poin |
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| [22:19:46] | Beirdo: | grr |
| [22:20:09] | Beirdo: | I think #9171 was due to #9168 |
| [22:20:14] | Beirdo: | so we'll see. |
| [22:20:20] | iamlindoro: | Would be nice |
| [22:20:22] | iamlindoro: | since it's fixed :) |
| [22:20:30] | Beirdo: | exactly |
| [22:20:36] | iamlindoro: | I had just written him a novel on how to get a BT and to update, but you beat me to the submit |
| [22:20:49] | Beirdo: | when I tested the other day, the subcommands all worked great |
| [22:21:12] | Beirdo: | then this morning, they were crapping on themselves, hence the char[] buffer instead of char * |
| [22:21:26] | Beirdo: | And of course, we JUST quieted down the logging :) |
| [22:22:21] | Beirdo: | so if he updates, and it's still broken, then there's something to fix, otherwise, I'll call that one an "invalid" as it already got fixed |
| [22:22:46] | iamlindoro: | It may yet be invalid, there is some funky stuff in there with hostnames and fully qualified domain names and... |
| [22:22:58] | iamlindoro: | some localhost, some actual IP, and some FQDNs |
| [22:23:01] | Beirdo: | true |
| [22:23:09] | Beirdo: | it may be invalid for totally other reasons |
| [22:32:53] | Beirdo: | always fun to have another lame infoneeded in my queue :) |
| [22:34:40] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: 0.25 we re-think the signal monitor and provide user-friendly info, I'm not exactly sure how but I'm sure we'll think of something |
| [22:34:58] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: statetypes might be nice |
| [22:35:42] | iamlindoro: | put the MPEG/table stuff into logging and only expose the essentials like Channel Locked, Stream found, Decryption accomplished |
| [22:35:43] | iamlindoro: | etc. |
| [22:35:49] | stuartm: | yeah got as far as deciding that we'll use them |
| [22:36:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [22:47:04] | Beirdo: | and another. |
| [22:47:26] | Beirdo: | sigh. I brought this on myself, but here we are. I'll ride it out. |
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| [22:56:34] | cal__: | iamlindoro: I left it on the channel when I ran upstairs and it finally locked in again after a few minutes. now it locks on instantly every time i switch to it, saying 'known multiplex' i assume thats something it puts in memory after it locks on the first time? |
| [22:57:22] | iamlindoro: | cal__, no, it means that the channels you are changing between are all on the same frequency |
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| [22:57:28] | iamlindoro: | so it doesn't need to retune |
| [22:57:40] | iamlindoro: | sounds like either your tuner or that broadcast channel ahve issues |
| [22:58:54] | cal__: | hmm |
| [23:00:46] | cal__: | what do you use for a linux app for direct channel viewing for digital channels? I want to narrow it down to software or hardware. |
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| [23:22:33] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: yes... that has been in there since at least 0.22, maybe 0.21 |
| [23:24:16] | dustybin: | jeeze why didnt anybody tell me |
| [23:24:51] | dustybin: | (or why didnt i read the manual?_ |
| [23:25:16] | dustybin: | i wonder what other hidden treats mythtv has |
| [23:25:32] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.22#MythWeb |
| [23:25:47] | dustybin: | im running .23 |
| [23:26:05] | dustybin: | will upgrade to .24 in the next coming weeks |
| [23:32:13] | wagnerrp: | wow... playback in windows is pretty painless |
| [23:32:39] | wagnerrp: | download, install, a small bit of fiddling with the playback and audio settings |
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| [23:41:26] | wagnerrp: | scratch that |
| [23:41:36] | wagnerrp: | livetv works, recordings are insta-crash |
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| [23:44:44] | ByteChanger: | Can someone tell me why, when I go to add a capture card, there is already 6 of them listed (V4L:/dev/video0)? If I try to delete them, it adds another 6... and so on... recreating the DB did not resolve the issue unfortunately... |
| [23:44:47] | ByteChanger: | any ideas? |
| [23:45:24] | wagnerrp: | in mythtv-setup, are you in section 2 or 4? |
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| [23:46:14] | ByteChanger: | section 2. Just finished section 1. |
| [23:47:26] | wagnerrp: | so just 'delete all capture cards' and create them again |
| [23:47:28] | ByteChanger: | fresh install. |
| [23:47:49] | ByteChanger: | Every time I 'delete' them... it adds another batch... |
| [23:48:03] | ByteChanger: | it doesn't delete them, just adds more and more... |
| [23:48:05] | ByteChanger: | wierd... |
| [23:48:23] | ByteChanger: | it was up to 32 at one point... |
| [23:48:57] | sphery: | you're not looking at internal ID numbers, are you? |
| [23:49:17] | sphery: | are you saying you actually see cards in the mythtv-setup UI after Delete all capture cards |
| [23:49:30] | sphery: | and you're using Delete all capture cards and /not/ Delete all capture cards on <hostname> |
| [23:49:31] | ByteChanger: | correct. |
| [23:49:46] | ByteChanger: | I used both actually... same results... just adds more... |
| [23:49:53] | ByteChanger: | V4L:/dev/video0 |
| [23:50:11] | sphery: | it can't add more because there's no code to do that... |
| [23:50:27] | Beirdo: | that screen can be confusing as to what is selected. |
| [23:50:32] | ByteChanger: | well, it has 7 cards listed under there... |
| [23:50:48] | Beirdo: | are you absolutely sure you selected "Delete" and not "New Card" or whatever? |
| [23:51:10] | ByteChanger: | welll..... |
| [23:51:13] | sphery: | I'm booting my system to see if Deleting capture cards works |
| [23:51:24] | ByteChanger: | now that you mention it... i was getting some really nasty repeating key strokes.... |
| [23:51:35] | sphery: | that could definitely cause issues... |
| [23:51:46] | ByteChanger: | maybe i'll try at the local terminal. |
| [23:51:56] | ByteChanger: | but still, i click delete and they add more.... |
| [23:52:06] | ByteChanger: | i'll go try local. back in a bit... |
| [23:53:00] | sphery: | Delete all capture cards works fine for me... |
| [23:53:10] | sphery: | You are saying yes when it asks if you're sure, right? |
| [23:53:35] | sphery: | if you're not seeing it ask if you're sure, it's likely that something is sending an Esc, which cancels it |
| [23:54:04] | sphery: | also, out of curiosity, which theme are you using? |
| [23:54:19] | ByteChanger: | ah. doing it locally helped. |
| [23:54:19] | iamlindoro: | unthemed screen |
| [23:54:29] | ByteChanger: | they are gone... :) |
| [23:54:40] | wagnerrp: | doing it locally? |
| [23:54:40] | ByteChanger: | just the default theme.... looks slick... |
| [23:54:41] | sphery: | iamlindoro: ah, yeah, right |
| [23:54:48] | sphery: | guess it couldn't be a missing popup or something |
| [23:55:01] | wagnerrp: | those devices only show up if they are on the hostname you are running mythtv-setup on |
| [23:55:14] | ByteChanger: | sphery: you were right, i didn't see it asking if i was sure... until i was local... |
| [23:55:24] | sphery: | I'm guessing he meant using the directly-connected display |
| [23:55:31] | sphery: | versus a VNC ... |
| [23:55:34] | wagnerrp: | or are you doing this over VNC? or remote X? |
| [23:55:39] | sphery: | which, likely, is not updating |
| [23:55:43] | ByteChanger: | tightvnc... |
| [23:55:45] | wagnerrp: | remote X should function just fine |
| [23:55:48] | wagnerrp: | VNC would have issues.. |
| [23:55:51] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:56:06] | wagnerrp: | are you currently on a linux machine? |
| [23:56:15] | ByteChanger: | windows currently... |
| [23:56:19] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [23:56:21] | ByteChanger: | i connect to my linux box... |
| [23:56:33] | ByteChanger: | via tightvnc... |
| [23:56:55] | wagnerrp: | it may be worth your time to get cygwin/x running |
| [23:57:05] | wagnerrp: | just so you dont have to deal with the limitation of vnc |
| [23:57:33] | ByteChanger: | hmmm, i'll have to look it up. never heard of it... |
| [23:57:36] | ByteChanger: | thanks. |
| [23:58:07] | wagnerrp: | an X server is the standard graphical interface for POSIX systems |
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| [23:58:23] | wagnerrp: | cygwin/X is a POSIX environment and X server for windows |
| [23:59:11] | ByteChanger: | ah cool. ok thanks. |
| [23:59:21] | ByteChanger: | (had to read that over a few times... lol) |
| [23:59:53] | ByteChanger: | ok, well. i'm gonna add that adapter. thanks guys. |
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