| Saturday, October 30th, 2010, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:02] | upgrdman: | how do i enable alsa sw mixing? |
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| [00:01:48] | [R]: | its enabled by deafult |
| [00:01:53] | [R]: | unless your braindead dist screwd with it |
| [00:02:03] | upgrdman: | ubuntu |
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| [00:20:23] | Beirdo: | fun. This should teach me to be in later in the afternoon on Fridays |
| [00:20:44] | Beirdo: | two simultaneous hotfixes... two different products. |
| [00:21:40] | wylie: | anyone using mythfs.py on? it seems to run correctly (no errors spitting at me) but does not actually create a mount. i must be missing something |
| [00:22:46] | wagnerrp: | is it listed in /proc/mounts? |
| [00:23:33] | wylie: | no, but just found something — i'll look a bit further... didn't notice the --debug option, that's helping |
| [00:27:35] | wylie: | hmmmm AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'strftime' |
| [00:28:04] | wagnerrp: | 0.23 or 0.24? |
| [00:28:12] | wylie: | 0.24 |
| [00:28:19] | wylie: | [checking 0.23 now] |
| [00:28:32] | wagnerrp: | that shouldnt happen in 0.24 |
| [00:28:47] | ** Beirdo scratches his head ** | |
| [00:30:05] | wylie: | no luck... is 0.24 in svn? I grabbed it off talk page on wiki |
| [00:30:18] | wylie: | re: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Talk:Mythfs.py |
| [00:31:21] | wagnerrp: | fixed in r26750... when did 0.24 branch? |
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| [00:34:07] | ** wagnerrp needs more screen space ** | |
| [00:34:09] | wylie: | ah, i was probably confusing things. i tried the 0.23 and 0.24 mythfs.py's I yanked from wiki |
| [00:34:39] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its fixed in 0.24 |
| [00:36:09] | wylie: | where is mythfs in svn? i suspect i shouldn't be grabbing latest from wiki? |
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| [00:36:19] | wagnerrp: | its not in subversion |
| [00:36:52] | wylie: | ok, so the copy on talk page is correct? |
| [00:37:10] | wagnerrp: | for 0.24/trunk, yes |
| [00:37:32] | wagnerrp: | however that error is not anything that you could fix in mythfs.py |
| [00:37:43] | wagnerrp: | it is something in the bindings themselves |
| [00:37:52] | wylie: | ah, MythTV Version : 26683 |
| [00:37:53] | wagnerrp: | and was already fixed several weeks ago |
| [00:37:56] | wylie: | ty |
| [00:38:02] | wagnerrp: | in revision 26750 |
| [00:38:32] | wylie: | yup, saw that above... the ty was for you. :) |
| [00:39:01] | wagnerrp: | well i did write it broken in the first place |
| [00:39:14] | wylie: | :) good stuff |
| [00:39:34] | wylie: | <- needs to learn the python foo |
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| [01:05:26] | HypNoMadic: | It's probably something unrelated to my recent move to .24-fixes, but a lot of my preview images are distorted/pixelated |
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| [01:17:01] | HypNoMadic: | Here's what one of the preview shots look like -> http://imagebin.ca/view/wefrGA.html |
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| [02:31:57] | wagnerrp: | ghaa... digital recordings failed tonight |
| [02:33:22] | Beirdo: | whadya do? |
| [02:33:23] | wagnerrp: | no explanation why in the logs |
| [02:33:40] | Beirdo: | ick |
| [02:33:43] | wagnerrp: | i havent touched anything in weeks |
| [02:33:54] | wagnerrp: | logs seem to say the recording started fine |
| [02:35:13] | wagnerrp: | worked yesterday, not today |
| [02:35:20] | Beirdo: | there's the problem... it felt neglected |
| [02:35:22] | wagnerrp: | worked for my PVR-150s, but not my HVR-1250 |
| [02:35:35] | wagnerrp: | nothing in the logs about being unable to tune the channels |
| [02:35:42] | Beirdo: | the ctrl key stuck on the n there |
| [02:35:49] | Beirdo: | weird |
| [02:36:00] | wagnerrp: | and i did get a minute or so of the second recording |
| [02:36:23] | wagnerrp: | hold on... its growing |
| [02:36:30] | Beirdo: | TMI |
| [02:36:31] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:36:42] | wagnerrp: | my 10pm recording seems to have started at 10:30 |
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| [02:36:57] | Beirdo: | wth? |
| [02:39:12] | ekristen: | good evening, I upgraded to 0.23.1 a while ago, but I wasn't paying attention to my backend .. now I have orphaned recordings, it doesn't appear to know anymore where to put the recordings, the system is no longer recording, it can no longer send the IR signal to change the channel either |
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| [02:43:08] | ekristen: | everything looks ok using mythtv-setup |
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| [02:44:07] | wagnerrp: | oof... recording has stalled again |
| [02:44:16] | wagnerrp: | this is funky |
| [02:46:26] | Beirdo: | odd |
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| [02:47:06] | wagnerrp: | that was fun |
| [02:47:39] | wagnerrp: | as i was nearing the end of the video, it started to get blocky and full of artifacts |
| [02:47:47] | wagnerrp: | then aspect ratio started flipping around |
| [02:47:54] | wagnerrp: | and bam, mythtv crashes |
| [02:47:55] | ekristen: | crap, my lirc daemon is broke :( |
| [02:48:23] | wagnerrp: | the channels are valid according to my HDHR |
| [02:48:41] | wagnerrp: | and i obviously have disk access from being able to play it and having other recordings |
| [02:48:46] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if my 1250 is dying |
| [02:48:49] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you sure are a bug magnet |
| [02:48:58] | Beirdo: | welcome to the club :) |
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| [02:52:38] | wagnerrp: | tuner works fine |
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| [02:52:55] | wagnerrp: | its some problem with the lock monitor, or whatever its called |
| [02:53:11] | wagnerrp: | i was in livetv, using the tuner, watching the channel |
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| [02:53:31] | wagnerrp: | and it kept poping up warning me there was no lock, and i should change channels |
| [02:53:58] | sphery: | signal monitor? |
| [02:54:11] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that thing |
| [02:54:35] | wagnerrp: | although im quite a ways back, 26809 |
| [02:54:43] | wagnerrp: | but this is the first time its giving me any trouble |
| [02:55:03] | sphery: | yeah, jpabq- put in some updates that fix some signal monitor-related issues with the analog devices, like the HD-PVR |
| [02:55:22] | sphery: | I'd recomment updating and seeing if it keeps happening |
| [02:55:31] | wagnerrp: | analog is fine, this is with digital |
| [02:55:55] | sphery: | oh, the HVR-1250? |
| [02:56:02] | sphery: | strange... |
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| [02:57:25] | sphery: | maybe it's related to the rsTuning/scheduler stuff that just went in to fix some issues with multiple recordings happening at the same time? |
| [02:57:48] | wagnerrp: | i had other analog recordings going on |
| [02:57:52] | wagnerrp: | but only one digital recording |
| [02:58:11] | Beirdo: | stupid work crap |
| [02:59:10] | wagnerrp: | guess ill be updating that box tonight |
| [03:00:33] | wagnerrp: | nothing else to do with no Good Guys to watch |
| [03:00:59] | ** wagnerrp is sad ** | |
| [03:01:14] | Beirdo: | awww |
| [03:01:18] | Beirdo: | hulu? |
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| [03:01:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [03:02:06] | wagnerrp: | but thats not on for a couple days is it? |
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| [03:02:23] | Beirdo: | not sure, it might be right after it airs out here |
| [03:02:40] | sphery: | NBC? If so, the day after airing |
| [03:02:48] | Beirdo: | which is in an hour it starts here... Fox |
| [03:03:03] | wagnerrp: | fox |
| [03:05:58] | wagnerrp: | seems kormoc rebuilt his machines tonight too |
| [03:06:14] | Beirdo: | oh? |
| [03:06:26] | wagnerrp: | i use his ebuilds |
| [03:06:36] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [03:06:43] | wagnerrp: | i just pulled another repository update, and its all running revision 27053 |
| [03:06:48] | CyberKnet: | stuartm been around in the last little bit? |
| [03:06:51] | Beirdo: | I forgot, yer a gentoo dude |
| [03:07:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [03:07:12] | CyberKnet: | experimenting with VDPAU some. |
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| [03:07:29] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: he's likely asleep, but might be back awake in a few hours (being UK-boung) |
| [03:07:33] | wagnerrp: | i bet hes asleep currently, what do you need? |
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| [03:07:57] | sphery: | ah, seems fox is also 1 day after airing |
| [03:07:58] | CyberKnet: | He seems to have the same IGP and CPU as me so I was wanting to know what he saw CPU wise when playing back SD and HD content |
| [03:08:09] | Beirdo: | ah |
| [03:08:14] | Beirdo: | sphery: ah well |
| [03:08:16] | CyberKnet: | (an 8200 IGP and an Athlon 64 4850e processor) |
| [03:08:20] | wagnerrp: | next to no usage |
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| [03:08:29] | wagnerrp: | couple percent at the most |
| [03:08:32] | CyberKnet: | so 50% usage means something is wrong when decoding HD content... |
| [03:08:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: this is why you need to build up a backlog of around 1360 recordings... |
| [03:08:44] | sphery: | then you're never out of stuff to watch |
| [03:09:01] | damo22: | how do i tell which version of mythmusic i am running? |
| [03:09:13] | wagnerrp: | ive got plenty to watch |
| [03:09:24] | wagnerrp: | just nothing new or interesting to watch |
| [03:09:34] | sphery: | CyberKnet: s/somthing is wrong/it's not using VDPAU/ |
| [03:09:42] | Beirdo: | Hawaii 5–0 here |
| [03:09:54] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, yeah, of my 1360, many fewer are actually interesting |
| [03:09:55] | wagnerrp: | damo22: what version of mythtv are you running? |
| [03:10:20] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: that works, havent seen the past two weeks |
| [03:10:23] | damo22: | wagnerrp: 0.23 from mythbuntu 10.10 |
| [03:10:26] | sphery: | CyberKnet: at least it's worth checking the logs to see if it is using vdpau |
| [03:10:40] | wagnerrp: | damo22: then you are using mythmusic 0.23 |
| [03:10:42] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [03:11:30] | sphery: | Beirdo: Sharon :) |
| [03:11:32] | damo22: | okay thanks, second question: im having trouble with choppy sound when playing an audio cd i thought this bug was fixed in an earlier release |
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| [03:11:42] | Beirdo: | I love how the CBS station here is smart enough to advertise the Hawaiian Airlines direct flights during Hawaii 5–0 |
| [03:11:53] | sphery: | probably the only reason I'll consider watching 5–0 |
| [03:11:59] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: danny williams doesnt hold a candle to dan stark |
| [03:12:06] | Beirdo: | true true |
| [03:12:09] | wagnerrp: | sharon? |
| [03:12:13] | Beirdo: | but there's eye candy |
| [03:12:14] | sphery: | Grace Park |
| [03:12:21] | sphery: | Sharon Valerii from BSG |
| [03:12:46] | wagnerrp: | ah... didnt recognize her |
| [03:12:53] | damo22: | how can i increase buffering on my cd drive when playing audio cds? |
| [03:13:16] | wagnerrp: | hey look, its the Hoff |
| [03:14:48] | wagnerrp: | er no... not Hoff, hercules |
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| [03:16:01] | damo22: | ive googled for it, but it doesnt seem to be a an issue with 0.23 i just built a brand new pc and id like to be able to have clean audio cd playback .:| |
| [03:17:43] | sphery: | damo22: TTBOMK, there's no possible way to change the buffering |
| [03:18:06] | sphery: | You may have an issue with your CD drive, that it's telling it to use 2x speed when you need it to use 4x or something |
| [03:18:15] | sphery: | or maybe even 1x speed |
| [03:18:25] | sphery: | if your drive has a slow spin-up |
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| [03:18:32] | wagnerrp: | check DMA mode, make sure you dont have anything artificially slowing it |
| [03:18:35] | sphery: | there's a setting to control the drive speed |
| [03:18:54] | damo22: | sphery: thats good to know |
| [03:21:54] | damo22: | sudo hdparm -d /dev/sda |
| [03:21:54] | damo22: | HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| [03:22:58] | damo22: | should i be running in SATA mode or AHCI mode? |
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| [03:23:45] | sphery: | AFAIUI, AHCI gets a lot more attention than the chipset-specific SATA drivers |
| [03:24:07] | sphery: | I always use AHCI, when possible |
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| [03:26:49] | damo22: | thanks |
| [03:27:08] | damo22: | reboot time :D |
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| [03:30:06] | Aquahallic: | Evening all |
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| [03:33:58] | Aquahallic: | been quite a while since I setup mythbuntu.. I changed hardware from my old 8.04 install and did a clean install with 10.04... I'm using an homebrew serial for remote and blaster.. I have everything working with the remote fine and I can use irsend and change channels manually... I seem to remember when setting up my blaster in 8.04 that I needed to use a channel changing script that I'd |
| [03:33:59] | Aquahallic: | populate under the corresponding capture card but I can't for the life of me remember where that script is... anyone know where that's at?? I see several different scripts when googling but I was wondering if there's one already canned in mythbuntu |
| [03:35:15] | sphery: | Aquahallic: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Scripts + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Channel_Change_Scripts |
| [03:35:43] | wylie: | wagnerrp: still around? |
| [03:35:46] | sphery: | I don't know if Mythbuntu provides any canned ones, but the ones on the wiki should work |
| [03:36:19] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [03:36:41] | wylie: | back from dinner and bumped to 27053 — gave mythfs another shot, now seeing: |
| [03:36:42] | wylie: | UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xfc' in position 12: ordinal not in range(128) |
| [03:37:00] | Aquahallic: | kewlio sphery thanx.. I'll check it out.. ;) |
| [03:37:22] | sphery: | So, it should be illegal for TV stations to put their animated ads in the area of the screen where the current program is displaying captions |
| [03:38:02] | CyberKnet: | 2010-10–29 22:36:53.636 VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'NV17 Video Texture' |
| [03:38:09] | CyberKnet: | is that an indicator that VDPAU is not being used? |
| [03:38:23] | sphery: | CyberKnet: definitely looks like it's using Xv |
| [03:38:51] | sphery: | though I've never used VDPAU so I can't say whether you'd see that in the logs if VDPAU was working properly |
| [03:39:17] | wagnerrp: | wylie: long running issues ive had with non-latin characters in the bindings |
| [03:39:31] | wagnerrp: | each time i think i have them fixed, they all pop up again |
| [03:39:39] | CyberKnet: | sphery: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's not using vdpau right there... now to figure out why. |
| [03:40:00] | wylie: | any info that I can pull that helps you? |
| [03:40:01] | CyberKnet: | the menu in SD content also made me think that perhaps VDPAU still wasn't being used as it looked a little scaled. |
| [03:41:08] | sphery: | yeah, play a low res video and if the OSD looks terrible, you know it's Xv |
| [03:41:27] | sphery: | or if you have a 16:9 screen, play a 4:3 video and if the OSD is only over the video (and not the black bars), you know it's Xv |
| [03:41:39] | CyberKnet: | Ooooh, I hadn't considered that. |
| [03:42:01] | CyberKnet: | that would make sense too since the OSD gets scaled if Xv is being used. |
| [03:42:14] | CyberKnet: | and resolution of the video doesn't match the resolution of the display |
| [03:42:17] | sphery: | yeah |
| [03:44:17] | CyberKnet: | Is there a kill signal to make mythfrontend reopen its log file? |
| [03:44:42] | sphery: | IIRC, just send a HUP |
| [03:45:13] | CyberKnet: | that did the trick thanks. |
| [03:45:33] | CyberKnet: | I seemed to recall a HUP doing that in general, but honestly it's been so long since I SIGHUP'd anything that I wasn't sure. |
| [03:46:18] | sphery: | yeah, app has to have code for it, but our code uses the typical approach |
| [03:48:18] | CyberKnet: | I don't care what they say about you sphery, you're good people. :P |
| [03:49:42] | Beirdo: | HUP should be "reload config", not "reopen log file" in normal UNIX sense |
| [03:49:42] | sphery: | heh |
| [03:49:50] | Beirdo: | but whatever :) |
| [03:50:04] | sphery: | but it also typically closes log files and reopens, right? |
| [03:50:10] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: Given that log file is usually defined in config ... :) |
| [03:50:19] | Beirdo: | yeah, for syslog, perhaps :) |
| [03:50:27] | Beirdo: | not that it matters :) |
| [03:50:31] | Beirdo: | it does what it does |
| [03:50:58] | CyberKnet: | I'm not hosing VDPAU by using the OpenGL painter, am I? |
| [03:51:51] | Beirdo: | shouldn't be |
| [03:52:19] | sphery: | heh, syslog may be where I got the idea HUP closes/reopens files |
| [03:52:40] | CyberKnet: | I see absolutely nothing in my log file about VDPAU |
| [03:52:43] | Beirdo: | either way, it's a good use for it for now |
| [03:52:59] | Beirdo: | none? |
| [03:53:08] | Beirdo: | you sure it's compiled in? |
| [03:53:17] | Beirdo: | and that you have the libs? |
| [03:53:18] | sphery: | Signals have always been a convenient method of inter-process communication (IPC), but in early implementations there were no user-definable signals (such as the later additions of SIGUSR1 and SIGUSR2) that programs could intercept and interpret for their own purposes. For this reason, applications that did not require a controlling terminal, such as daemons, would re-purpose SIGHUP as a signal to re-read configuration files, or ... |
| [03:53:19] | CyberKnet: | nope, it was more stupid than that. |
| [03:53:24] | sphery: | ... reinitialize. |
| [03:53:27] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGHUP |
| [03:53:31] | sphery: | guess we could consider it a "reinitialize"--without the reloading config :) |
| [03:53:34] | CyberKnet: | Playback profile: "Slim" |
| [03:53:38] | CyberKnet: | not "VDPAU Slim" |
| [03:53:46] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: you silly boy |
| [03:53:48] | sphery: | heh, that would prevent VDPAU usage |
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| [03:56:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you'd like this--from your girl, Chloe: "Hey, Clark. Thank you. I never thought it would feel so good to be reunited with a bunch of silicone[sic] microchips." |
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| [03:58:18] | wagnerrp: | they spelled it? text message or something? |
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| [04:00:08] | sphery: | she said it as you pronounce, "silicone," and the captions spelled it, "silicone" |
| [04:01:41] | wagnerrp: | well, youve got hardware, software, wetware... squishyware |
| [04:02:30] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:02:52] | sphery: | would definitely be good for heat-resistance |
| [04:03:07] | sphery: | I have some silicone that can handle up to 800F |
| [04:03:30] | wagnerrp: | stupid QT |
| [04:03:36] | wagnerrp: | every time i go to update |
| [04:03:48] | wagnerrp: | i cant, because of cyclic dependencies in the ebuild |
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| [04:07:21] | wagnerrp: | no recourse but to uninstall them and let them get picked back up as dependencies |
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| [04:09:44] | CyberKnet: | 11% cpu on SD prerecorded playback |
| [04:10:00] | CyberKnet: | oh that's memory. 7% cpu |
| [04:10:23] | CyberKnet: | much, much idle now though. |
| [04:10:53] | CyberKnet: | can't wait for NVIDIA to enable decoding of multiple streams at once (and upgrading to a more powerful card to take advantage of it) so that mythcommflag can use it too. |
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| [04:12:16] | damo22: | apparently there is no such thing as dma setting on SATA drives, my cdrom is sata |
| [04:13:43] | sphery: | can't get the dma thing working? |
| [04:14:32] | damo22: | ata2.00: configured for UDMA/100 |
| [04:14:43] | damo22: | thats my dvd drive |
| [04:15:36] | damo22: | so i am assuming that dma is enabled |
| [04:16:03] | sphery: | I set up a myth box for a friend and he had a mobo with nvidia chipset that doesn't support ahci (old socket 939 era mobo), and the first time you tried to access the DVD-RW, it crashed the nvidia SATA module and the devices all disappeared |
| [04:16:33] | sphery: | he ended up plugging in a PATA DVD-RW because it was easier than figuring out the issue with the non-AHCI drivers |
| [04:16:33] | damo22: | crap |
| [04:16:46] | damo22: | i cant use ahci, grub cant find my disk |
| [04:16:54] | sphery: | so now his white case has a black DVD-RW and his black case has a white DVD-RW |
| [04:16:54] | damo22: | i am running in sata mode |
| [04:17:27] | sphery: | it's likely just getting renumbered when you enable AHCI |
| [04:17:57] | sphery: | so rather than (hd0,1), it might be (hd2,1) or something...? |
| [04:18:00] | damo22: | well that sucks |
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| [04:18:13] | sphery: | actually at that point, it should still be (hd0,1)... |
| [04:18:29] | sphery: | but the root= might change on your linux kernel line |
| [04:19:08] | damo22: | if i boot off a livecd i can reconfigure grub? |
| [04:19:20] | sphery: | I find that booting into grub and liberal usage of root (hd0,1) (etc) and ls / and cat /etc/hosts and stuff helps me find stuff |
| [04:19:33] | sphery: | you can actually do it all in the grub shell |
| [04:19:52] | damo22: | how do i access grub when it boots, theres no timeout |
| [04:20:00] | sphery: | once you figure out which drive is which, then just reconfigure after you've successfully booted |
| [04:20:14] | sphery: | I don't know how you get to it with *buntu's GUI stuff on top |
| [04:20:24] | damo22: | awsesome |
| [04:20:25] | sphery: | I'd guess a liberal sprinkling of Esc |
| [04:20:38] | damo22: | thanks |
| [04:20:41] | sphery: | and, might get to a point where it gives you "hit F6 for options or ..." |
| [04:21:03] | damo22: | except my machine boots in like 10 seconds |
| [04:21:30] | damo22: | ok i'll try |
| [04:21:36] | sphery: | well, once you catch grub successfully, it will wait for you |
| [04:21:43] | damo22: | brb |
| [04:21:48] | sphery: | good luck |
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| [04:25:54] | Beirdo: | left shift while booting should pop up the grub menu |
| [04:26:08] | wagnerrp: | 10 seconds now? |
| [04:26:08] | Beirdo: | oh, he just left |
| [04:26:08] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:26:11] | wagnerrp: | impressive |
| [04:26:32] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, yeah, more users confounded by the distro's attempt to save 30MB of HDD space by not installing mythbackend/mythtv-setup |
| [04:26:50] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:27:07] | sphery: | left ship while booting... cool. Wonder how they do that. |
| [04:27:14] | sphery: | er, shift |
| [04:27:33] | Beirdo: | not sure :) |
| [04:27:44] | sphery: | too bad I led damo astray with the Esc guess |
| [04:27:45] | Beirdo: | but that's what's always worked for me with grub |
| [04:27:47] | wagnerrp: | sphery: must have missed the email |
| [04:27:57] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the mythtv system events one |
| [04:27:59] | Beirdo: | Esc can work sometimes too |
| [04:28:04] | ** Beirdo shrugs ** | |
| [04:28:14] | sphery: | where the user says he can't figure out how to configure his frontends on his non-backend machine |
| [04:28:17] | wagnerrp: | the one i replied to? |
| [04:28:43] | sphery: | yeah |
| [04:28:59] | sphery: | oh, actually he's saying it's in both mythtv-setup and mythfrontend setup? |
| [04:29:16] | wagnerrp: | yeah, pretty sure it is |
| [04:29:48] | sphery: | so if you configure in mythtv-setup, does it apply only to mythbackend process? |
| [04:29:58] | sphery: | or to both the mythbackend and mythfrontend running on that host? |
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| [04:30:22] | Chaorain: | Hey, I just reformated and upgraded my Mythbuntu box to 10.10 (from 10.04) and now I'm haveing problems watching tv. My tunner finds channels just fine but when I try to watch it just goes back to the main menu. Help? |
| [04:30:43] | Chaorain: | here is some info on my tunner http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-950Q |
| [04:30:54] | sphery: | Chaorain: will need frontend and backend logs in a pastebin |
| [04:31:10] | sphery: | showing an attempt to enter playback |
| [04:31:22] | Chaorain: | um ok, let me enable the logger |
| [04:31:36] | wagnerrp: | enable the logger? |
| [04:31:37] | CyberKnet: | hmmm... |
| [04:31:41] | sphery: | default verbosity should be fine |
| [04:31:47] | sphery: | no -v all or anything :) |
| [04:31:49] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu should log by default |
| [04:31:53] | CyberKnet: | I have some tearing on HD 1080i with VDPAU :| |
| [04:32:09] | sphery: | CyberKnet: disable Composite in nvidia settings |
| [04:32:17] | Beirdo: | I should do that sometime |
| [04:32:18] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:32:20] | sphery: | compositing/composite extension/...whatever they call it |
| [04:32:21] | Chaorain: | wagnerrp: its disabled in the control center |
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| [04:33:17] | wagnerrp: | im beginning to think it was foolish to have /everything/ run off that pair of 300GB drives |
| [04:34:25] | CyberKnet: | thanks sphery – I'll give it a try. |
| [04:34:41] | Chaorain: | sphery: I think this is it mythbuntu.pastebin.com/VaKbedij |
| [04:35:19] | sphery: | that seems to be empty |
| [04:35:26] | sphery: | sure you have the right URI? |
| [04:35:42] | Chaorain: | one sec |
| [04:35:52] | sphery: | maybe http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/VaKbediJ |
| [04:35:58] | sphery: | capital J |
| [04:36:10] | damo22: | im getting 800MB/sec reads from my disk |
| [04:36:12] | sphery: | yay for history |
| [04:36:24] | sphery: | damo22: btw, while you were gone: 10.30 00:25:54 <+Beirdo> left shift while booting should pop up the grub menu |
| [04:36:40] | sphery: | he replied right after I led you astray |
| [04:36:44] | Chaorain: | sphery: yeah thats it. |
| [04:36:48] | damo22: | thanks |
| [04:36:51] | Beirdo: | esc works sometimes too :) |
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| [04:37:41] | sphery: | Chaorain: combined frontend/backend system? |
| [04:37:49] | damo22: | i dont think the dma is an issue on my dvd drive, it says UDMA/100 |
| [04:37:53] | Chaorain: | yup |
| [04:38:19] | Chaorain: | I'm on a seperate computer so I can reboot and not lose you guys |
| [04:38:21] | sphery: | # |
| [04:38:22] | sphery: | 2010-10–29 22:29:42.033 MythSocket(2a9bfb0:45): readStringList: Error, timed out after 7000 ms. |
| [04:38:36] | sphery: | seems that you're having some socket issues |
| [04:39:09] | sphery: | 2010-10–29 22:20:43.903 Scheduler, Warning: Listings source 'DirectDenver' is defined, but is not attached to a card input. |
| [04:39:18] | damo22: | 17.96 MB/sec on my dvd drive with hdparm |
| [04:39:39] | sphery: | Chaorain: that needs fixing--if you're not using the video source, don't define it--if you are using it, you need to connect it |
| [04:40:16] | Chaorain: | sphery: I was useing it but I wanted to try scanning for channels myself |
| [04:40:29] | Chaorain: | its a schedules direct account |
| [04:40:33] | sphery: | is this analog or digital capture? |
| [04:40:47] | damo22: | where is the option for setting the drive speed for reading in mythtv? i only found a setting for the drive write speed |
| [04:40:51] | CyberKnet: | sphery: did the trick. |
| [04:40:57] | Chaorain: | I'm going for analog but the tunner is both |
| [04:41:00] | sphery: | CyberKnet: cool |
| [04:41:06] | CyberKnet: | sphery: although system fonts got huge |
| [04:41:34] | sphery: | Chaorain: if you're using analog capture (PVR-150/HD-PVR, ...), you don't want to do a channel scan |
| [04:41:51] | sphery: | you will want to clean up your config with the video sources portion of: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [04:42:06] | sphery: | which will also help fix: # |
| [04:42:07] | sphery: | 2010-10–29 22:29:43.459 NVR(/dev/video0): Unknown video codec. Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles. Assuming RTjpeg for now. |
| [04:42:14] | sphery: | which capture card is this? |
| [04:42:41] | sphery: | if it's both analog and digital, I'm guessing you do not want to use the analog side (unless it happens to be an HVR-1600) |
| [04:42:49] | Beirdo: | 950Q, I think |
| [04:43:07] | sphery: | wow, nice detectiving... |
| [04:43:26] | sphery: | is the 950Q's analog a hardware encoder or a framegrabber? |
| [04:43:29] | Beirdo: | did say it earlier :) |
| [04:43:36] | sphery: | oh, nice listening, then |
| [04:43:39] | wagnerrp: | framegrabber |
| [04:43:40] | ** sphery just talks ** | |
| [04:43:51] | Beirdo: | heh, you are the encyclopedia |
| [04:44:12] | sphery: | Chaorain: yeah, you probably don't want to use analog on that card |
| [04:44:21] | sphery: | is DirectDenver DirecTV in Denver? |
| [04:44:53] | Chaorain: | No DirectDenver is Schedules direct for denver |
| [04:44:59] | sphery: | Beirdo: I was really impressed that you could figure out 950Q from that log file |
| [04:45:07] | sphery: | Chaorain: where are you getting your TV from? |
| [04:45:14] | sphery: | cable, satellite, OTA? |
| [04:45:22] | Chaorain: | USCable |
| [04:45:48] | sphery: | well, it's possible the 950Q will work for capturing--if they have any unencrypted QAM channels on the line |
| [04:45:56] | sphery: | it's definitely not ideal for analog capture |
| [04:46:17] | sphery: | you'd be much better off with a PVR-150/PVR-500 or the analog side of an HVR-1600 (all for standard def) |
| [04:46:32] | sphery: | it can be made to work, but you'll need to configure your input connections properly |
| [04:46:39] | wagnerrp: | or in his case, a PVR-USB2 or HVR-1950 |
| [04:46:41] | Chaorain: | Not ideal but was all I could get. It was working before I re-formated |
| [04:46:52] | sphery: | and configuring analog frame grabbers is about as challenging as you can get for setup |
| [04:46:57] | Chaorain: | I'm going i=to get a 2250 |
| [04:47:05] | Chaorain: | *to |
| [04:47:19] | Chaorain: | dual analog and dual digital |
| [04:47:22] | sphery: | but you'll need to clear out what you have, with the video sources portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 , and then set it up again |
| [04:47:27] | sphery: | this time, for analog, don't scan for channels |
| [04:47:35] | Chaorain: | done |
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| [04:48:09] | sphery: | Chaorain: note that the 2250 will require /very/ new drivers (if they're in the upstream kernel, they just got in there--if not, you'll need V4L/DVB Hg) |
| [04:48:19] | CyberKnet: | sphery: thanks for your help today. +10 internets for you, sir. |
| [04:48:19] | sphery: | and will need a very new MythTV version |
| [04:48:30] | sphery: | Beirdo: did you backport the 2250 fixes to 0.23-fixes? |
| [04:48:58] | sphery: | Chaorain: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds will have updated MythTV |
| [04:49:10] | sphery: | I /think/ current MythTV 0.23-fixes will work for you |
| [04:49:22] | Beirdo: | sphery: nope |
| [04:49:27] | sphery: | or maybe not |
| [04:49:30] | Chaorain: | sphery: I'm still researching it. Already got autobuilds. |
| [04:49:38] | sphery: | Beirdo: are they backportable for *buntu users? |
| [04:50:04] | Beirdo: | possibly |
| [04:50:07] | sphery: | Chaorain: cool... 10.10 has a pretty good MythTV version in it, but it's always good to get the latest fixes |
| [04:50:10] | Beirdo: | or they can wait for 0.24 :) |
| [04:50:13] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:50:22] | Beirdo: | as the drivers are ... kinda beta anyways |
| [04:50:28] | sphery: | yeah, that's probably a better idea |
| [04:50:40] | sphery: | once 0.24 is released, they'll be able to upgrade through auto-builds |
| [04:50:47] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [04:50:48] | sphery: | and to get support for new cards, they probably should, anyway |
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| [04:51:14] | ** Beirdo is watching How I Met Your Mother ** | |
| [04:51:29] | Baylink: | QUERY: is there any way at all that the code that generates this message: " ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '1012_20101030002500.mpg'" could be locking my motherboard? |
| [04:51:30] | sphery: | Chaorain: so, it looks like you'll need 0.24 to use the 2250's analog encoders (which, BTW, are a great choice--real hardware encoders), once 0.24 is released |
| [04:51:34] | sphery: | "soon" |
| [04:51:58] | sphery: | Baylink: no, that's a message that was put in place for development/debug... it's meaningless |
| [04:52:04] | wagnerrp: | sphery: they should work on 0.23, but you will have to manually define them |
| [04:52:13] | wagnerrp: | it wont autodetect like other mpeg cards |
| [04:52:21] | sphery: | danielk changed the way the preview generator worked, and that was just so he could see how it was being called |
| [04:52:23] | Chaorain: | sphery: Alright, good to know.What should I do to try and fix my current card? |
| [04:52:34] | Baylink: | Hmmm.... |
| [04:52:47] | Beirdo: | sphery: it will spew many pointless errors though |
| [04:52:56] | sphery: | Baylink: so it's just the preview generator (separate process) outputting that (at least 99% of the time, it's from preview gen), which couldn't lock up the backend |
| [04:53:14] | Baylink: | Something is fairly reliably locking the thing up hard enough that whatevers in the audio playback buffer just keeps looping... and it's not *always* during record, so I don't think it can be ivtv. |
| [04:53:19] | Beirdo: | and of couse you NEED the beta drivers, which are on their way into the vanilla kernel, AFAIK |
| [04:53:26] | sphery: | Baylink: though socket issues when communicating with the backend to do preview generation could cause lock ups |
| [04:53:44] | Baylink: | I think there's a *possibility* a second backend could be launching and dying, but I can't see why. |
| [04:53:48] | sphery: | Baylink: there were some recent fixes put in place, so make sure you're running top of tree if this is trunk |
| [04:54:03] | CyberKnet: | later folks. have a nice evening. |
| [04:54:06] | sphery: | if it's 0.23-fixes... that's a much more difficult issue to fix |
| [04:54:09] | Baylink: | 23-fixes |
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| [04:54:31] | Baylink: | Well, there goes my weekend, I guess. |
| [04:54:39] | sphery: | Baylink: is it current 0.23-fixes? |
| [04:54:40] | Baylink: | Switching over to SVN |
| [04:55:00] | sphery: | switching to SVN probably won't help it |
| [04:55:01] | Baylink: | Oh hell; -fixes is a moving target, isn't it. |
| [04:55:13] | Baylink: | Aha! |
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| [04:55:31] | sphery: | what I meant by harder to fix if it's 0.23-fixes was that if you're getting socket-type issues on 0.23-fixes, they'll probably happen on any version you have |
| [04:55:33] | Baylink: | For some reason, both my -23-fixes *and* my -23–1 backend are starting up |
| [04:55:39] | Baylink: | I didn't think that was possible. |
| [04:55:44] | sphery: | that would cause some problems... |
| [04:56:08] | sphery: | Chaorain: you did the Delete all video sources already? |
| [04:56:18] | Chaorain: | sphery: yes |
| [04:56:25] | Baylink: | Any chance we can get a patch in to put the $$ PID in the log lines? |
| [04:56:36] | sphery: | Chaorain: if so, then follow the rest of the instructions on that post ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 ) for configuring your video sources and connecting inputs and fetching channels |
| [04:56:45] | sphery: | Chaorain: make sure you choose V4L tuner |
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| [04:57:31] | Chaorain: | sphery: ok, let you know when thats done |
| [04:57:36] | sphery: | Chaorain: and just be very careful as you do your setup--making sure not to miss any steps |
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| [04:57:58] | sphery: | at this point it's pretty much a "keep hammering until you get it right" type approach |
| [04:58:19] | sphery: | and you have the post I linked for "starting fresh"--cleans up everything so you can try again with what you learned last time :) |
| [04:58:36] | Baylink: | I suspicion that the sister is looking incorrectly to see if a BE is running, and manually launching the wrong version (which don't ask me why it's even still around) on top of it. |
| [04:58:39] | sphery: | (which, btw, you'll want to do, again, when you switch to your 2250) |
| [04:58:41] | Baylink: | And it doesn't die fast enough. |
| [04:59:25] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:59:44] | sphery: | need to pop up a, "Please Wait... System Maintenance in progress." dialog for her |
| [04:59:45] | Baylink: | Yeah; it looks like a dupe BE doesn't die *near* fast enough; is there some good reason I'm missing why 2 BEs might need to be running on the same box? |
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| [04:59:56] | Baylink: | No, she just can't read ps anymore |
| [04:59:59] | sphery: | no good reason to ever do that |
| [05:00:15] | sphery: | you really want to clean off the 0.23 version if you're installing 0.23.1 |
| [05:00:24] | sphery: | (or 0.23-fixes post 0.23.1) |
| [05:00:29] | Baylink: | I'm not clear why it's still there. |
| [05:00:34] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [05:03:32] | Baylink: | And this is not really a time I want to screw with it, either. |
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| [05:03:46] | Baylink: | When's .24 getting cut? |
| [05:04:06] | wagnerrp: | little over a week |
| [05:04:12] | wagnerrp: | the 8th |
| [05:04:22] | Beirdo: | has the day been set? |
| [05:04:50] | wagnerrp: | unofficially |
| [05:05:10] | Beirdo: | hmmm, best to just let the steering committee call it "good" :) |
| [05:05:24] | Beirdo: | just in case |
| [05:05:25] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [05:05:37] | Baylink: | I guess I can hold out that long. |
| [05:05:58] | Beirdo: | run svn code, wuss :) (hehehe) |
| [05:06:02] | Beirdo: | I'm kidding... |
| [05:06:16] | Baylink: | You know, there's at least one spot in the install readme that assumes a parent directory that you don't *have* if you're installing packages... |
| [05:07:09] | Baylink: | Aaaannd. My startup script appears to have launched the wrong BE. Phuque. |
| [05:07:17] | Beirdo: | now now. |
| [05:07:42] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: here's hoping all will be ready for the 8th :) |
| [05:08:08] | ** wagnerrp did his part, closed a blocker ** | |
| [05:08:19] | Beirdo: | that reminds me, gotta strafe the bug list again |
| [05:08:30] | Beirdo: | I closed a couple I think.. |
| [05:08:33] | ** wagnerrp tries to hide the fact it was a one line fix ** | |
| [05:09:12] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:11:13] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i love the Good Guys... but theres just something great about two hawaii cops sharing a beer with someone they just threw into a shark cage screaming in the background |
| [05:11:42] | Baylink: | You know, I swear my old startup script used to a) do a mysqlcheck -r every time, and b) not take 6 minutes every time... |
| [05:11:58] | Beirdo: | hehe, yeah |
| [05:11:58] | Baylink: | Does *not* doing -r return a brokenness status? |
| [05:12:18] | wagnerrp: | no, -r does a repair |
| [05:12:22] | wagnerrp: | its like running 'mysqlrepair' |
| [05:12:26] | Baylink: | "Does *not* doing -r return a brokenness status?" |
| [05:12:35] | wagnerrp: | a check may take a minute or two |
| [05:12:43] | wagnerrp: | a repair is going to take noticeably longer |
| [05:12:50] | Baylink: | Does that mean "yes"? :-) |
| [05:12:55] | wagnerrp: | well can... if theres something to repair |
| [05:13:40] | Baylink: | I'm too tired to rephrase the question, sorry. I'm going to assume your answer parses as "yes", and I'll rewrite my script tomorrow. |
| [05:13:45] | Baylink: | tnx |
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| [05:30:10] | wagnerrp: | im going to have to seriously reconsider my boot drives on my next build |
| [05:30:22] | Beirdo: | oh? |
| [05:30:36] | wagnerrp: | a simple mirror just isnt cutting it |
| [05:30:49] | Beirdo: | why not? |
| [05:31:00] | Beirdo: | you getting too fancy? :) |
| [05:31:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: thinking of a parabolic mirror this time? |
| [05:31:16] | wagnerrp: | it may simply be because theyre old 300GB drives |
| [05:31:45] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:31:47] | wagnerrp: | but im running the system drive, all my servers, and network images for my netboot systems off of it |
| [05:31:55] | wagnerrp: | and im woefully underpowered |
| [05:31:57] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
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| [05:32:35] | Chaorain: | sphery: Thanks for your help.still not working. need to call it a night |
| [05:32:56] | wagnerrp: | at the very least, i need to clean up the nightly maintenance runs on all my jails |
| [05:33:20] | wagnerrp: | half a dozen different 'systems' all running their cleanup tasks at 3am really does a number on it |
| [05:33:29] | sphery: | Chaorain: yeah, the framegrabber config is the most challenging--definitely the worst to try to start with |
| [05:33:39] | wagnerrp: | not sure what exactly theyre doing, but i know it runs a 'find' over the whole system |
| [05:33:44] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yeah, randomize ;) |
| [05:33:45] | Chaorain: | sphery: |
| [05:33:51] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: updatedb |
| [05:33:52] | sphery: | Chaorain: you may want to instead try scanning for digital channels on the cable line to see if any are usable |
| [05:33:54] | Beirdo: | for locate |
| [05:33:56] | Chaorain: | sphery: But I had it working before |
| [05:34:24] | sphery: | ok, worst to start again with? :) |
| [05:34:24] | Chaorain: | sphery: ok, waht type should I set the card up as? USB? |
| [05:34:37] | sphery: | DVB for the digital side |
| [05:34:46] | sphery: | I think |
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| [05:34:56] | sphery: | maybe usb... I've never used a USB card |
| [05:34:57] | Beirdo: | sounds right |
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| [05:35:12] | sphery: | USB maybe means HD-PVR? |
| [05:35:13] | Beirdo: | likely DVB. Never used that device though |
| [05:35:15] | iamlindoro: | Since we don't have a"usb" card type, he'd have a time setting it up as one |
| [05:35:20] | sphery: | oh :) |
| [05:35:25] | sphery: | in that case, DVB |
| [05:35:38] | iamlindoro: | winner |
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| [05:37:28] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: no, some sort of security check |
| [05:37:46] | wagnerrp: | looks like it checks for changes in the list of setuid executables |
| [05:39:07] | wagnerrp: | dumps the results to an email account i never read |
| [05:39:08] | Beirdo: | oooh |
| [05:39:11] | Beirdo: | interesting |
| [05:39:31] | Beirdo: | sounds retarded for a jail though |
| [05:40:02] | wagnerrp: | well i took the 'easy' way of setting it up |
| [05:40:22] | wagnerrp: | build a new distribution into a folder, instead of root |
| [05:40:29] | wagnerrp: | and then just proceeded to set it up like a normal system |
| [05:40:50] | Chaorain: | sphery: hey is it possible my tunner could be timeing out? |
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| [05:41:38] | sphery: | Chaorain: on the DVB side, it's possible--there are timeouts for it |
| [05:42:11] | sphery: | I don't think the analog side should time out |
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| [05:42:45] | wagnerrp: | mysql, email, cvs, svn, ftp, dhcp, dns... all run in hand built roots |
| [05:42:56] | wagnerrp: | a few dozen files at the most each |
| [05:43:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you should just use VM's |
| [05:43:03] | Beirdo: | to the cloud... |
| [05:43:08] | Chaorain: | sphery: But on the analog? I saw this. http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_W . . . mware_issues |
| [05:43:09] | sphery: | I hear that they solve all the problems |
| [05:43:14] | Beirdo: | he practically is |
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| [05:43:30] | wagnerrp: | but apache and mythtv, theyre running in full system roots |
| [05:43:33] | sphery: | Chaorain: from the log you posted before, it was a misconfiguration |
| [05:43:42] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i basically am, just without the whole 'virtualization' part |
| [05:44:01] | wagnerrp: | 'isolated machines' if you will |
| [05:44:03] | Beirdo: | to save yourself... like 2MB a VM |
| [05:44:05] | sphery: | if you still have those errors I copied to here in your logs, you'll need to fix config. If not, I'd need new logs to see what's up |
| [05:44:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, but if you /were/ running a real VM, things would just work |
| [05:44:26] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:44:36] | sphery: | and you'd get 5x the performance |
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| [05:44:39] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yes, because VMs would magically fix my disk load issues |
| [05:44:39] | Beirdo: | oh, it's fun to be an instigator |
| [05:44:40] | Chaorain: | ok, not tonight |
| [05:44:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yep, that's what I've learned, here, about VMs |
| [05:45:08] | iamlindoro: | Who wants to instruct me in svn mergeology? |
| [05:45:13] | sphery: | Chaorain: not tonight sounds very good to me |
| [05:45:19] | sphery: | 1:45 says I should be asleep |
| [05:45:31] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: basically... instead of making the edits on both branches |
| [05:45:50] | wagnerrp: | make the edits on one, and 'svn merge ../../trunk' to pull them into the other |
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| [05:46:00] | wagnerrp: | then commit both |
| [05:46:01] | sphery: | iamlindoro: stuartm's e-mail had the example svn syntax |
| [05:46:31] | sphery: | don't you edit, commit to trunk, then svn merge -c in a fixes working copy and then commit? |
| [05:46:57] | wagnerrp: | it just makes it cleaner to tell what has been backported, rather than searching for 'backports' in the commit logs |
| [05:47:13] | Beirdo: | check into trunk, cd to the branch, then merge as in the email |
| [05:47:32] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, the e-mail syntax doesn't break down what's what |
| [05:47:36] | iamlindoro: | never mind, I'll figure it out |
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| [05:47:46] | wagnerrp: | er yeah... you have to check into trunk first, as you need to have a commit number to merge |
| [05:48:48] | sphery: | but still reference tickets on both commits... since you only get a one-way view of the merge--from the backported commit in -fixes, you can click through to the original commit, but you can't find the backported commit from the original |
| [05:49:03] | sphery: | TTBOMK, at least |
| [05:49:08] | iamlindoro: | I got it |
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| [05:49:26] | sphery: | I was saying that more for myself |
| [05:49:38] | sphery: | planning for when I eventually get something done, again |
| [05:50:27] | Beirdo: | TV-MA LSV |
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| [05:50:34] | Beirdo: | that's the makings of a fun show |
| [05:50:58] | wagnerrp: | Lots of Smelly Vomit? |
| [05:51:38] | wagnerrp: | TV for Male Albinos |
| [05:51:43] | Beirdo: | language, sexual content, violence |
| [05:52:21] | Beirdo: | watching It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia |
| [05:52:39] | Beirdo: | and that's a lie, it poured rain on me there in July |
| [05:52:57] | wagnerrp: | that just means there was a rainbow |
| [05:53:04] | Beirdo: | up yer... |
| [05:53:07] | Beirdo: | oh wait |
| [05:54:14] | Beirdo: | hmmm, I need something to munch on |
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| [06:02:12] | Beirdo: | #8441... yay, a me too! |
| [06:05:09] | wagnerrp: | what is the reason we dont want feature requests on trac? |
| [06:05:28] | Beirdo: | beats me |
| [06:05:40] | wagnerrp: | i mean is it just the email spam from them? |
| [06:06:04] | Beirdo: | trac isn't really the best tool for that due to the one queue, but I've never fully understood the concept |
| [06:08:20] | wagnerrp: | im just thinking... it shouldnt be difficult to set it so tickets of priority 'feature request' never send emails on updates, and cannot be marked with a milestone |
| [06:08:33] | iamlindoro: | IMO it's the fact that generally speaking, we don't care what people want |
| [06:08:51] | Beirdo: | well, that is a rotten attitude, really :) |
| [06:08:59] | iamlindoro: | ie, if we had a feature request tracker, it wouldn't make them even the tiniest bit more likely to get done |
| [06:09:06] | iamlindoro: | Sorry, but it's fact |
| [06:09:12] | Beirdo: | it does seem to be our attitude, though, doesn't it? |
| [06:09:37] | iamlindoro: | So why give the illusion that we are taking the requests with any intention of implementing them, when generally speaking, we aren't |
| [06:10:12] | iamlindoro: | Not attaching a value judgment to that, just stating fact |
| [06:11:01] | Beirdo: | well, maybe some people do have the intention of implementing things, but the general "rule" is to chase away those with more ideas than code :) |
| [06:11:23] | Beirdo: | but yeah, if we ain't gonna do it, let's not make people think we will |
| [06:11:27] | iamlindoro: | And it's not as though we don't know where to find the wiki feature requests-- I have implemented many from the wiki, and at least in that form it doesn't have the stigma of a job/assignment |
| [06:12:03] | iamlindoro: | the feature requests in the wiki are something I can look at when I'm looking for a no-stress little project, and if I ignore them, that's okay too :) |
| [06:12:20] | iamlindoro: | versus any trac type system, they sit there... forever... like a sword of damocles |
| [06:12:39] | Beirdo: | just like they do in a wiki |
| [06:12:43] | iamlindoro: | not so |
| [06:12:54] | iamlindoro: | again, in the wiki, there's no implication that they're an assignment or task |
| [06:12:59] | Beirdo: | ones that will never happen can be closed/removed either way |
| [06:13:12] | wagnerrp: | im more thinking that in a trac type system, there would be some incentive to at least triage them, and shoot them down as not viable |
| [06:13:27] | wagnerrp: | on the wiki, they just sit there indefinately |
| [06:13:37] | iamlindoro: | Do you feel that we are so proficient at handling the hundreds of bugs and other task tickets that we might as well add feature requests to the workload? |
| [06:13:51] | iamlindoro: | I've only just got people convinced to actually triage tickets :P |
| [06:13:59] | wagnerrp: | no, i feel that would be a problem since youre doing most of the triaging as it is |
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| [06:18:35] | sphery: | don't kid yourself--a feature request in Trac (or Jira or ...) could /never/ be closed unless implemented, no matter how not viable it is |
| [06:18:48] | iamlindoro: | not without permission from the ticket opener, of course ;) |
| [06:18:55] | Beirdo: | heh, I dunno aobut that |
| [06:19:05] | sphery: | we can't even close bug reports by fixing the bugs--they get reopened by users for unrelated/different/not-updated-yet/... |
| [06:19:16] | Beirdo: | yeah well. |
| [06:19:33] | iamlindoro: | Dear ticket submitter, could I please, pretty pretty please, close this feature request that we add a spoiler to the back of myth on the grounds that it would "look sweet and make chicks dig us?" |
| [06:19:43] | sphery: | and if we close a feature request in Trac, then we have to explain why that one is closed when the other 400 are still open |
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| [06:20:19] | sphery: | I don't mind a place to manage feature requests, but I do like the idea of it being somewhere besides the bug tracker |
| [06:20:41] | sphery: | skd5aner was talking about the thing that *buntu uses, which actually seemed like a pretty nice way of doing it |
| [06:21:36] | iamlindoro: | If people really want Feature requests tracked, then those people should be showing that they are interested in feature requests by regularly and conscientiously checking the wiki and implementing them |
| [06:22:12] | iamlindoro: | But anyone who wants us to track them but has never actually sought them out and started implementing them is holding us to an unfair standard |
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| [06:23:04] | iamlindoro: | Whereas, if you/whomever are someone who is regularly shagging feature requests from the wiki right now, then it is reasonable for you to suggest that we track them in a more formalized way |
| [06:24:13] | wagnerrp: | which means... pretty much no one? |
| [06:24:16] | iamlindoro: | ME |
| [06:24:19] | iamlindoro: | and that's about it |
| [06:24:24] | iamlindoro: | and I don't want to track them formally |
| [06:24:48] | iamlindoro: | I have filled at least two dozen feature requests from the wiki list, and not just by accident |
| [06:25:28] | sphery: | This being what skd5aner was talking about: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ |
| [06:25:50] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, have seen that one |
| [06:26:07] | sphery: | I think that wuold be a reasonable approach |
| [06:26:12] | sphery: | keeps it out of the bug tracker |
| [06:26:12] | iamlindoro: | IMO that kind of thing is for organizations with a marketing department |
| [06:26:18] | sphery: | and is maintainable/manageable |
| [06:26:21] | iamlindoro: | THE WIKI keeps it out of the bug tracker |
| [06:26:32] | sphery: | allows users to put stuff in and vote and stuff |
| [06:26:39] | iamlindoro: | ghasdfghajkl;glgahkl |
| [06:26:47] | sphery: | yeah, the brainstorm thing just makes it easier to "organize" |
| [06:26:48] | iamlindoro: | If you care about feature requests, start fulfilling them |
| [06:26:54] | sphery: | agreed |
| [06:26:58] | iamlindoro: | *then* we can talk about how we can better fulfill them |
| [06:27:00] | sphery: | Not saying the votes /mean/ anything |
| [06:27:03] | wagnerrp: | 'need a GUI based command line terminal' |
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| [06:27:06] | wagnerrp: | .... what? |
| [06:27:08] | sphery: | It's like on Tuesday :) |
| [06:27:44] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I'm speaking of devs, not users/request submitters |
| [06:28:02] | mjb_: | Hi all. I have a hopefully quick question. I did some googling, and have not been able to find the answer. |
| [06:28:10] | iamlindoro: | specifically, I'm wondering why everyone wants to discuss how to better track feature requests when 75% of the participants have never filled one |
| [06:28:24] | sphery: | I do plan to do user feature requests as soon as I run out of my own ideas to implement |
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| [06:28:34] | sphery: | (***never) |
| [06:28:39] | iamlindoro: | (/me realizes that might be oversimplifying and that most people have probably filled one without knowing it was there) |
| [06:28:49] | sphery: | and I fully admit that |
| [06:28:57] | wagnerrp: | ive done a handful that could be made externally with scripts |
| [06:29:04] | mjb_: | When I hit ESC to exit mythfrontend, it give me three options: No, don't exit, yes, exit, and yes, exit and shutdown. |
| [06:29:12] | wagnerrp: | dont think ive done any internal requests |
| [06:29:46] | mjb_: | IS there an easy way to remove that last option, exit and shutddown? I don;t want o be abl to so easily dhutdown my box with the slip of a finger. |
| [06:30:14] | sphery: | I've done feature requests, but from the mailing lists, and only when they were really special (i.e. very interesting--more so than my own projects) or when I needed a break from my projects (and the feature request was somewhat interesting and much simpler than my in-progress projects) |
| [06:31:28] | sphery: | but I've never actually gone out looking for them... If someone says something on the list that catches my attention, it might go on my TODO, but my TODO is already long enough that I don't actively seek new things for it. |
| [06:32:24] | sphery: | mjb_: there's a stupi^H^H^H^H^Hsetting in mythfrontend, "Customise exit menu options" |
| [06:34:03] | mjb_: | sphery, sure enough, it's there, right where you said it'd be. Got it, thanks! |
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| [06:34:48] | mjb_: | Very frustrating t accidentally rebooot my box when I just wanted to exit the frontend. |
| [06:35:21] | sphery: | mjb_: btw, my "stupi" was meaning that it shouldn't require a setting--we should just do the right thing depending on whether there's a shutdown and or reboot configured |
| [06:36:20] | sphery: | unfortunately, the "even if it's not configured or it's configured improperly, try to shutdown using d-bus, which works on <certain distro, not named to protect the guilty>" approach to shutdown makes it hard to tell if it's configured |
| [06:37:52] | sphery: | anyway, IMHO, if someone else--a non-dev--wants to spend time on a better tool for managing feature requests, like brainstorm, I have no problems with it |
| [06:38:25] | iamlindoro: | Just so long as that tool has no official association with this project whatsoever :P |
| [06:38:26] | sphery: | also, I think brainstorm /could/ actually be helpful as a way to replace the "task" wiki pages that aren't ideal for hammering out new designs |
| [06:39:09] | sphery: | i.e. we /could/ use it for some things like the recordedfile schema dev, the backend HTTP setup, ... |
| [06:39:34] | sphery: | and, if it's not part of trac, we wouldn't have: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ |
| [06:39:44] | iamlindoro: | We can't even get our own leadership to comment on backend setup |
| [06:39:44] | sphery: | (trac is dead, long live trac) |
| [06:39:58] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: I think may get outvoted on the official association part |
| [06:40:27] | iamlindoro: | if we can't get the steering committee to even write an e-mail trying to get us organized on the setup rewrite, getting us to use a new tool seems hopeless |
| [06:40:41] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, and I repeat, if you are so hot of feature requests, why not start filling some? |
| [06:41:02] | sphery: | I think if you deploy it, they will come |
| [06:41:11] | sphery: | if the tool is there, some people will start to use it |
| [06:41:15] | sphery: | and find it's useful |
| [06:41:19] | Beirdo: | yeah, precisely |
| [06:41:20] | iamlindoro: | sure they will |
| [06:41:32] | Beirdo: | for one thing, my TODO list is almost as long as sphery's |
| [06:41:34] | wagnerrp: | 'man should tell people how to quit it' |
| [06:41:47] | wagnerrp: | i dont recall ever having trouble figuring out how to run man |
| [06:41:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh |
| [06:42:07] | Beirdo: | secondly, the wiki is a horribly way to "organize" requests |
| [06:42:14] | Beirdo: | horrible, rather. |
| [06:42:47] | Beirdo: | thirdly, I've been *working* on my TODO list, and if it runs out, or I find other things that should take priority, I work on them |
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| [06:44:16] | Beirdo: | uh huh. |
| [06:45:28] | wagnerrp: | 'use a tiling window manager for ubuntu' |
| [06:47:32] | wagnerrp: | 'make brainstorm into a p2p application' |
| [06:47:42] | wagnerrp: | ... because p2p makes everything better |
| [06:48:06] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:48:33] | sphery: | oooohhhh, make brainstorm into a p2p application /and/ run it in a VM |
| [06:48:48] | sphery: | and have each VM P2-the-other-P |
| [06:50:01] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [06:50:05] | Beirdo: | that would be funny |
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| [06:53:54] | wagnerrp: | 'use zfs-fuse to allow installation to zfs file systems' |
| [06:54:04] | wagnerrp: | i think someone is overestimating the power of initrd |
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| [06:56:13] | wagnerrp: | hehehe |
| [06:56:39] | sphery: | ? |
| [06:56:47] | wagnerrp: | automatically lock the system when you mash multiple keys on the keyboard simultaneously, to prevent cats from typing on your computer |
| [06:57:00] | sphery: | heh |
| [06:57:02] | wagnerrp: | sounds like something GreyFoxx could use |
| [06:57:59] | sphery: | solution #5: Electrify keyboard when keyboard mashing is detected |
| [06:58:33] | ** sphery pictures a Christmas Vacation-like result ** | |
| [06:58:40] | Beirdo: | ZOT |
| [06:58:49] | wagnerrp: | just dont get frustrated... ever... |
| [06:58:57] | Beirdo: | energizing cattle prod.... |
| [06:59:20] | wagnerrp: | and dont fall behind on your sleep |
| [06:59:33] | wagnerrp: | going head first into the keyboard could be problematic |
| [06:59:39] | sphery: | heh |
| [06:59:54] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:00:03] | Beirdo: | I did that on my C64 back in the day |
| [07:00:11] | Beirdo: | passed out programming |
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| [09:06:42] | damo22: | i have everything working in mythtv except the cd audio skips when buffering still |
| [09:07:05] | damo22: | i got remote to shutdown AND wake pc |
| [09:07:09] | damo22: | :D |
| [09:09:56] | damo22: | has anyone done some benchmarking of VDPAU? im not sure if what i have running is normal... 1920x1080 with onboard geforce 8200 on "slim" setting seems to work, but the audio is out of sync with their lips slightly i guess i cant expect more than that |
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| [09:11:16] | damo22: | i had to disable the cpu governor it was chewing up the frames |
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| [09:17:39] | clever: | damo22: from what i hea, the cpu freq stuff half-works when your using vdpau |
| [09:18:17] | damo22: | clever: well i got better performance without it |
| [09:18:27] | clever: | even if the cpu usage is near 0%, your also reducing the memory clock rates, which then starves your raw bandwidth power |
| [09:18:47] | clever: | the code is writen to monitor cpu usage%, not memory bandwidth usage |
| [09:19:15] | clever: | so its not properly scalling when doing vdpau |
| [09:19:56] | damo22: | i disabled the cpu scaling |
| [09:20:04] | damo22: | it was on by default |
| [09:20:15] | damo22: | ... |
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| [09:24:56] | clever: | damo22: yep, thats one way to fix it |
| [09:26:06] | damo22: | if you dont enable the "ondemand' script at bootup, it defaults to using max cpu all the time i believe |
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| [09:27:38] | damo22: | one thing that shits me about the latest ubuntu is that grub2 is much too complex to configure now, you cant just edit the kernel command line directly anymore |
| [09:27:57] | damo22: | at least i couldnt find it |
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| [10:18:40] | forrest: | Hi there, anyone has an idea how to set up mythtv with a STB? I followed http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Connecting_Tuner_Card_To_Cable_Sat (S-Video method) but no luck. |
| [10:19:12] | forrest: | Btw, VLC open the PVR source just fine and I can watch my STB from VLC |
| [10:19:24] | forrest: | the card is a PVR 150 |
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| [11:17:41] | ekristen: | whats the best way to take care of orphan files? |
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| [11:33:33] | ekristen: | can anyone help with this error? Delete Error 'GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/riker/1251_20101030073000.mpg' |
| [11:33:38] | ekristen: | I can't figure out why this is happening |
| [11:37:56] | ekristen: | for some reason mythtv isn't create the recording files anymore! |
| [11:37:59] | ekristen: | can anyone help?! |
| [11:38:04] | ekristen: | I can't figure out why |
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| [12:14:08] | k-man: | ekristen: does myth have write permission to the recording folder? |
| [12:15:03] | ekristen: | yes, but I think I just (about 10 seconds ago) figured it out, its returning an error from the change channel script, so I think its failing to start the recording even though the tuner is working |
| [12:15:35] | ekristen: | I am trying to figure out how to get my lirc with my pvr150 working again (I upgraded my ubuntu box) and now its all broken :( |
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| [12:18:22] | xand: | any radio times xmltv users having problems with program titles being wrong? i.e. showing just a number with a comma instead of the title? |
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| [12:20:15] | xand: | hmm ok found a posting about it from august, weird that i only see it now |
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| [12:43:29] | xand: | yay all fixed with new xmltv |
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| [14:14:16] | dewman: | !seen Jesus |
| [14:14:16] | MythLogBot: | Jesus was last seen 11 days 20 hours 39 minutes 31 seconds ago |
| [14:14:22] | dewman: | lol |
| [14:14:35] | dewman: | !seen saten |
| [14:14:35] | MythLogBot: | saten has not been seen here |
| [14:14:39] | dewman: | o good. |
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| [14:15:05] | sid3windr: | saten? :P |
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| [14:15:22] | dewman: | random... |
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| [14:15:44] | dewman: | couldnt help myself... hehe |
| [14:16:03] | sid3windr: | oh, so could have been oezijoijdezo just as well |
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| [14:21:06] | dewman: | yes....but saten sounded better... |
| [14:22:57] | dewman: | hmm. I just realized that my spelling skills are not so good without my glasses, and the fact that I smashed my finger with a hammer the other day doesnt make it any better. |
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| [14:23:11] | dewman: | ;) |
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| [14:52:27] | adante: | howdy guys, trying to enable EIT |
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| [14:54:46] | adante: | the wiki says check the "Perform EIT Scan" box in mythtv-setup video sources |
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| [14:55:27] | adante: | i can't seem to find this checkbox, or its out of date, only option i see is to set the listing grabber to EIT only |
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| [14:56:01] | adante: | also the wiki says to tick "useonairguide" in mythweb, which i don't have installed, is there a way to check this setting through the standard ui? |
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| [15:11:01] | sphery: | adante: mythtv-setup |
| [15:11:27] | adante: | sphery: yeah that is where i was looking |
| [15:11:31] | sphery: | adante: it will appear with digital capture cards |
| [15:11:40] | sphery: | if your capture card can't do EIT, it won't appear |
| [15:12:02] | sphery: | what capture card do you have? |
| [15:12:15] | adante: | leadtek dtv gold dongle |
| [15:12:20] | adante: | it can do eit, it has in the past |
| [15:12:44] | adante: | i'm just wondering if the ui has changed from when that wiki post was written |
| [15:12:58] | adante: | i can't see the checkbox, i can set the listing grabber for a video source to "Transmitted guide only (EIT)" |
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| [15:13:37] | adante: | oh sorry i see it now, have to change listings grabber to under "Combine data from several other grabbers (xmltv) |
| [15:13:51] | sphery: | There's Perform EIT Scan in video source config |
| [15:13:57] | sphery: | you don't need combine data |
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| [15:14:18] | sphery: | you need to use either "Transmitted guide only (EIT)" /iff/ you only use EIT |
| [15:14:43] | sphery: | or choose the XMLTV grabber you want (or Schedules Direct) for most channels |
| [15:14:48] | adante: | right, i mean the checkbox itself is only available on an xmltv option, which makes sense |
| [15:14:54] | sphery: | and select "Perform EIT Scan" also |
| [15:15:20] | sphery: | It's not available for "Transmitted guide only (EIT)" because it's implied |
| [15:15:39] | sphery: | It's not available for "No Grabber" because you explicitly said you will have no data (implied that it's off) |
| [15:15:47] | sphery: | for XMLTV or Schedules Direct, it's available |
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| [15:15:55] | sphery: | you don't want "Combine data from several other grabbers (xmltv)" though |
| [15:16:04] | sphery: | unless you are, in fact, using multiple XMLTV grabbers |
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| [15:16:41] | sphery: | and note that if you are using Schedules Direct for some channels, it means you're in an area where you're likely to have garbage for EIT data |
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| [15:21:01] | adante: | yeah, cheers |
| [15:21:16] | adante: | nah in aus so, should be right hopefully :] |
| [15:21:26] | sphery: | cool |
| [15:21:29] | sphery: | enjoy |
| [15:21:44] | sphery: | OK, the use of ddate in e-mail attributions is not only stupid, it's also annoying |
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| [15:22:19] | sphery: | only thing that might be more annoying is the use of stardates in e-mail attributions--but only because of all the rest that implies about the sender |
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| [15:25:18] | adante: | heh, hadn't heard of ddate before |
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| [15:25:41] | adante: | i'm not sure if its additional esotericness would make it better or worse than stardate |
| [15:25:44] | adante: | certainly looks weirder |
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| [15:28:14] | justTom: | HI all, having some problems with updating Myth from 0.21 to 0.23 |
| [15:29:12] | justTom: | My system has 3 TV tuners, 2x PCTV 800i and 1 PVR-150 |
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| [15:30:17] | justTom: | All 3 played just fine in Mythbuntu 8.10 with Myth 0.21, but now in mythbuntu 10.10 if I have all 3 cards installed my nVidia 9600GT video card will not initalize and I can't use the nVidia driver |
| [15:30:45] | justTom: | anyone know how to trouble shoot what is causing this hardware to not want to work together? |
| [15:31:14] | justTom: | If I remove nyone of the 3 Tuner cards the nVidia video card works perectly |
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| [15:44:54] | sphery: | justTom: a) blacklist any and all nvidiafb and/or nouveau drivers (and disable KMS, if required), or b) pass the kernel boot parameter vmalloc=256M, or c) do both |
| [15:45:45] | justTom: | sphery – thanks |
| [15:46:07] | justTom: | sphrey – anyidea why this would be a problem only if I have all 3 tuner cards installed? |
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| [15:47:15] | sphery: | because between the nvidia framebuffer and the 3 capture cards, you've exausted the available 128MB vmalloc |
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| [15:47:59] | tom_: | oops, I just lost my connection there for a second |
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| [15:48:12] | sphery: | tom_: because between the nvidia framebuffer and the 3 capture cards, you've exausted the available 128MB vmalloc area |
| [15:49:06] | sphery: | so you either need to set aside more memory for it (vmalloc=256M) or use less of it (by getting rid of the useless framebuffer that gives you a pretty graphical boot) |
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| [15:49:24] | tom_: | OK, makes sense |
| [15:49:37] | tom_: | thanks! |
| [15:50:13] | sphery: | check the forums for your distro and/or the mythtv mailing list archive ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ ) for details on how to do the above |
| [15:50:34] | sphery: | having the right search terms, now, it should be easy enough to find |
| [15:50:43] | adante: | wow sphery, you're good |
| [15:51:34] | sphery: | heh, just been hanging around too long and have seen many of the mythtv-affecting issues :) |
| [15:53:08] | tom_: | BTW, anyone know a good graphical tool. This new grub2 confused the hell out of me |
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| [15:53:21] | tom_: | good GRUB graphica tool that is |
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| [15:54:45] | sphery: | last I knew distros hadn't made the tools to make using grub2 easy |
| [15:55:08] | sphery: | that said, grub2 isn't nearly as confusing as people seem to think |
| [15:55:31] | sphery: | just ignore all the blogs and wiki posts on it, and actually read the official documentation for grub2 |
| [15:55:58] | tom_: | cool, will do |
| [15:56:03] | sphery: | amazing how much clearer it is when your information comes from someone other than a blogger who failed to understand it, himself :) |
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| [15:57:41] | sphery: | basically, it all comes down to grub.cfg is the approximate (syntax-different) equivalent of menu.lst (and /could/ be edited directly, if you want), but for safety, grub2 attempts to take human error out of the equation by having scripts create grub.cfg and doing everything possible to verify things will work properly /before/ you shut down the running system |
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| [15:58:31] | sphery: | so, since your distro will re-run config-creating scripts (when it feels it should), any direct editing of grub.cfg will be overwritten/lost, so you just need to create a script that does what you want for grub.cfg |
| [15:59:01] | sphery: | and/or modify the distro-provided scripts (or their configuration files) that don't do what you want |
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| [15:59:47] | tom_: | OK, I think I just figured it our, so I'm off the the land of the reboot |
| [15:59:55] | tom_: | thanks gaing for your help |
| [15:59:55] | sphery: | good luck |
| [16:00:01] | sphery: | enjoy |
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| [16:47:07] | duffydack: | anyone know the key for 'red button' ? |
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| [16:52:31] | wagnerrp: | red button? |
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| [16:53:22] | duffydack: | maybe there isnt one, but on most remotes there is a red button for interactive services on uk digital tv |
| [16:54:00] | wagnerrp: | there may be some MHEG keybindings you can map it to |
| [16:54:03] | [R]: | duffydack: check the 'edit keys' menu to see what the key bindinsgs are |
| [16:54:11] | wagnerrp: | but as far as i know, there is no 'red button' action |
| [16:54:28] | duffydack: | ok |
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| [17:52:38] | sphery: | dustybin: there's a MENURED, by default F2 |
| [17:53:13] | sphery: | er, duffydack... |
| [17:53:15] | sphery: | but he's gone |
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| [18:07:35] | cipher_: | what should i be getting from plugreport? i have verizon stb over usb |
| [18:07:54] | cipher_: | all i get is libiec61883 error: error reading oMPR |
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| [18:11:17] | [R]: | cipher_: what is the full output |
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| [18:11:58] | cipher_: | libiec61883 error: error reading iMPR |
| [18:12:02] | cipher_: | that's the only other line |
| [18:12:12] | cipher_: | looks like it's not seeing my hdpvr? |
| [18:12:20] | [R]: | what does hdpvr have to do with firewire? |
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| [18:12:37] | [R]: | you should be getting a on more than just 1 line |
| [18:12:56] | cipher_: | Node 0 GUID 0x0010dc0001972c80 |
| [18:12:56] | cipher_: | ------------------------------ |
| [18:12:56] | cipher_: | libiec61883 error: error reading oMPR |
| [18:12:56] | cipher_: | libiec61883 error: error reading iMPR |
| [18:13:13] | cipher_: | pretty sure I used to get alot more than that before |
| [18:13:15] | [R]: | ah... so you DON'T just get one line |
| [18:13:19] | cipher_: | ..... |
| [18:13:22] | cipher_: | i put more than one line |
| [18:13:30] | [R]: | you said before you only got one line |
| [18:13:36] | cipher_: | was trying not to flood the chatroom |
| [18:13:37] | [R]: | cipher_: either your cable is bad or your box is bad |
| [18:13:46] | [R]: | cipher_: thats what pastebin is for (as clearly shown in the topic) |
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| [18:14:02] | cipher_: | omg... |
| [18:14:18] | cipher_: | do you live in San Fran or something? |
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| [18:14:27] | [R]: | huh? |
| [18:14:32] | cipher_: | nm |
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| [18:16:31] | cipher_: | weird, it was working fine a week ago, and I the only thing that changed is that i upgraded maveric |
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| [18:21:00] | cipher_: | lsusb shows Bus 001 Device 004: ID 2040:4902 Hauppauge HD PVR |
| [18:21:15] | cipher_: | but plugreport does not show it |
| [18:21:35] | [R]: | as i repeat |
| [18:21:40] | [R]: | [11:12:20] [R] what does hdpvr have to do with firewire? |
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| [18:27:59] | cipher_: | forget it, ur smugness is killin me |
| [18:28:03] | cipher_: | thanks for nothin |
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| [18:28:37] | [R]: | rofl |
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| [18:32:56] | wagnerrp: | [13:52] sphery> duffydack: there's a MENURED, by default F2 |
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| [18:39:42] | sphery: | wagnerrp: wow, you're better than a pounce script |
| [18:40:38] | duffydack: | wagnerrp, yeah I found it, not working yet.. not sure on the channels red button facility tho ill keep tryin it |
| [18:42:18] | AndyCap: | Maybe it will make the penguin on top of your set explode. |
| [18:44:25] | SteveGoodey: | duffydack: If I remember correctly you have to enable interactive services, maybe in the frontend? |
| [18:44:41] | duffydack: | hmm |
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| [18:45:59] | SteveGoodey: | duffydack: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MHEG tells you how. |
| [18:46:32] | duffydack: | nice |
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| [18:50:42] | Beirdo2: | Quiet morning |
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| [18:51:57] | SteveGoodey: | Night here, getting ready for the clocks going back, so many to do! |
| [18:52:35] | Beirdo2: | Oh that is soon isn't it. |
| [18:53:54] | [R]: | all this freenode spam has inspired me to setup SASL authentication |
| [18:53:55] | [R]: | it's so XTREME |
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| [19:02:08] | Beirdo2: | So tired. I might go bug hunting later in the day |
| [19:02:20] | wagnerrp: | bug hunting? |
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| [19:02:53] | Beirdo2: | Yeah. Looking for those elusive buggers that may still be there |
| [19:03:01] | wagnerrp: | oh, code bugs |
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| [19:04:06] | Beirdo2: | Yeah. If I feel up to it. |
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| [19:04:30] | Beirdo2: | Gotta go buy spices to make chili first |
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| [19:35:13] | Chaorain2: | Hey, I'm having problems with my tunner. Here are the logs. http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/s0j5tYu5 |
| [19:35:28] | Chaorain2: | It finds channels just fine but I can't watch them |
| [19:37:20] | Chaorain2: | It is a analog/digital tunner, Digital works fine but I need analog. I had it working before a re-format. |
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| [19:40:52] | slickrick: | hello all. is there a way to get mythvideo to ignore certain file types? eg. *.srt |
| [19:41:40] | slickrick: | duh. |
| [19:41:46] | slickrick: | just found it.... ignore my question thanks. |
| [19:43:43] | slickrick: | actually on second thought in utilities setup -> media settings -> videos settings -> file types how can i add an additional file type? |
| [19:43:56] | slickrick: | since srt is not displayed. |
| [19:45:15] | slickrick: | i see they are in the table videotypes, but not sure if there is a way in the frontend to edit them or if i need to just insert one in the table. |
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| [19:46:10] | [R]: | never touch the db |
| [19:46:28] | slickrick: | [R]: ... ? |
| [19:46:42] | [R]: | you COULD try hitting the 'new' button... |
| [19:46:49] | [R]: | just a crazy idea |
| [19:46:58] | slickrick: | maybe my theme is broken ... there is no new button. |
| [19:47:09] | [R]: | you should get a less crappy theme then |
| [19:47:14] | sphery: | slickrick: there's both an option to ignore files with unknown/undefined extendsion |
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| [19:47:35] | sphery: | or, if you disable that, an option to define an extension, and mark it to be ignored |
| [19:47:47] | sphery: | you use a normal scan to find all files that mythvideo will manage |
| [19:47:57] | sphery: | you shouldn't need srt files in the DB at all, though |
| [19:48:26] | sphery: | since you don't play an SRT (you play the file with the exact same name, other than extension) and then hit T to toggle the subtitles on |
| [19:48:38] | slickrick: | sphery: thanks, i guess you are refering to Display unknown file types? i will try it out. |
| [19:48:40] | Chaorain2: | sphery: Hey, I'm back. Digital works on my card but not analog |
| [19:48:49] | sphery: | slickrick: exatly |
| [19:48:55] | slickrick: | sphery: yes, thats exactly it. they are showing up in the list and i want them to be hidden. |
| [19:49:06] | sphery: | Chaorain2: glad part is working--the digital is a lot easier to set up |
| [19:49:24] | sphery: | and based on that link you found, there may still be issues with the analog side on the card you have |
| [19:49:36] | sphery: | so at least you have something until you get your 2250 and upgrade to 0.24 :) |
| [19:49:47] | sphery: | slickrick: yeah, that's the option |
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| [19:52:32] | slickrick: | sorry about the lame question. i switched from mythbuntu theme to mythcenter and now i can see the add button in file types. |
| [19:55:38] | slickrick: | awesome. the list is nice and clean now. thanks for your help sphery. |
| [19:57:40] | slickrick: | with video metadata if you manually enter a video unique id, this is the ttXXXXXXX number from imdb? excluding the tt but including any leading 0's, is that correct? |
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| [19:58:18] | wagnerrp: | slickrick: no... movies or television? |
| [19:58:27] | slickrick: | wagnerrp: movies. |
| [19:58:41] | wagnerrp: | use the ID you find at themoviedb.org |
| [19:58:49] | wagnerrp: | or simply use the grabbers to search for it automatically |
| [19:59:07] | wagnerrp: | the imdb id will work, but it will simply be replaced by the tmdb one anyway |
| [19:59:21] | slickrick: | gotcha. |
| [19:59:23] | wagnerrp: | and the imdb one will only work if it is defined in the tmdb database |
| [19:59:57] | slickrick: | i think i know where its going wrong. the movie exists on imdb but not on tmdb. if you search by name in myth video on on tmdb you actually get taken to the wrong movie. |
| [20:00:14] | slickrick: | thanks for clarifying. |
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| [20:00:33] | wagnerrp: | imdb does not allow programs like mythtv from scraping data from their website |
| [20:00:59] | wagnerrp: | and its not really worth making people download a rather limited and several hundred MB offline snapshot to search through |
| [20:01:02] | wagnerrp: | so we use tmdb |
| [20:01:44] | slickrick: | tmdb has gotten noticeably better in the past 6 months. many of my movies it didn't have and now it's just one. |
| [20:02:45] | slickrick: | i guess i will add that movie to tmdb. :) |
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| [20:15:37] | pyther: | Hello |
| [20:15:57] | pyther: | I know alsa is the only audio engine supported, but has anyone used mythfronted with pulseaudio? |
| [20:16:18] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use pulseaudio, update to 0.24 |
| [20:16:30] | wagnerrp: | but better to simply not use pulseaudio |
| [20:17:28] | [R]: | that's what she said |
| [20:17:57] | pyther: | wagnerrp: is support in 0.24 better? |
| [20:18:34] | pyther: | my phone supports pulse audio, so I'm hoping to use pulse audio on my desktop, then use my phone to tap into the audio stream (wirelss headphones :D) |
| [20:18:42] | wagnerrp: | support in 0.24 officially exists |
| [20:19:03] | pyther: | ahh ok, cool |
| [20:19:12] | wagnerrp: | im pretty sure your phone works in reverse |
| [20:19:24] | pyther: | wagnerrp: ? |
| [20:19:29] | wagnerrp: | your phone wants to act has the base, for wireless headphones |
| [20:19:40] | wagnerrp: | you cant use your phone as an audio receiver and plug a pair of headphones into it |
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| [20:19:52] | pyther: | wagnerrp: why not? |
| [20:20:03] | wagnerrp: | because it doesnt work that way |
| [20:20:16] | pyther: | my phone runs pulseaudio |
| [20:20:37] | wagnerrp: | you run pulseaudio /on/ your phone? |
| [20:20:39] | sid3windr: | your phone is weird |
| [20:20:42] | wagnerrp: | WTF |
| [20:20:45] | AndyCap: | n900 |
| [20:20:48] | pyther: | wagnerrp: yes, that is the default, n900 |
| [20:20:54] | sid3windr: | see, weird. |
| [20:20:55] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [20:21:02] | wagnerrp: | crazy dutch |
| [20:21:18] | AndyCap: | then again, the phone runs dbus, linux, mozilla, python. |
| [20:24:01] | slickrick: | awesome. just added my first movie to tmdb. |
| [20:24:15] | pyther: | Does anyone have a WD live tv? |
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| [20:29:19] | slickrick: | pyther: no, but i bought my parents a Laciie LaCinema and i think its quiet good. |
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| [20:38:38] | [R]: | is there a 'livetv' binding that goes to live if you are back in a recording? |
| [20:39:04] | ServerSage: | Hey folks, just got a 2.4Ghz 2010 mac mini, installed the psycho precompiled myth .23-fixes on it. When playing back hd content recorded from my hdpvr the video is jerky, but the audio is perfect. I've tried all the deinterlacers and some make it worse, but none make it better. Ideas? |
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| [20:39:22] | [R]: | what are you using for video output/ |
| [20:39:34] | ServerSage: | [R]: HDMI |
| [20:39:39] | [R]: | not what connection |
| [20:39:45] | [R]: | the playback profile |
| [20:40:29] | ServerSage: | [R]: I've tried CPU+, CPU++, and Normal |
| [20:40:35] | [R]: | so all software decoding |
| [20:40:42] | [R]: | that processor can't handle hdpvr content probably |
| [20:41:05] | wagnerrp: | is that a core2 or i5? |
| [20:41:05] | ServerSage: | [R]: My understanding is that the OSX version of myth does not support hardware decoding. |
| [20:41:12] | ServerSage: | wagnerrp: Core2 |
| [20:41:15] | wagnerrp: | ooh... OSX |
| [20:41:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, all my performance assumptions are out the window |
| [20:41:34] | [R]: | ServerSage: than i guess you are SOL |
| [20:41:38] | wagnerrp: | 2.4GHz Core2 is going to be marginal for full bitrate HDPVR on linux |
| [20:41:41] | wagnerrp: | on OSX... i dont know |
| [20:41:42] | ServerSage: | wagnerrp: lol. In other words, install linux. :) |
| [20:41:51] | wagnerrp: | no, drop your bitrate in your recording profile |
| [20:41:59] | wagnerrp: | or install linux and use VDPAU |
| [20:43:30] | [R]: | vd-POW |
| [20:43:33] | slickrick: | hey, does anyone else have problems with album artwork not displaying in mythmusic when using opengl visualizations? |
| [20:44:44] | slickrick: | the onscreen display does not work either when pressing i while a visualization is going. the information box just flickers briefly. |
| [20:44:50] | slickrick: | i miss my album artwork. |
| [20:45:22] | ServerSage: | wagnerrp: The playback reports don't really have anything equiv to a c2d 2.4ghz. Any idea what bitrate it can handle? My medium is currently 7500–10000, and my high is 11000–13200. |
| [20:46:03] | wagnerrp: | i know a 2.5Ghz C2 will handle full bitrate HDPVR content, on linux |
| [20:46:06] | wagnerrp: | on OSX... no clue |
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| [20:49:53] | AndyCap: | wasn't preparations for mac something that's mentioned in the 0.24 release notes, but not coming until later |
| [20:50:44] | AndyCap: | Add experimental support for VDA (Video Decode Acceleration framwork) on OS X ([25571] and more, see ticket #8621 for more details) |
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| [20:56:56] | xand: | is DST change likely to have confused my mythtv listings? given there will be two 1ams tomorrow, can it cope with that? |
| [20:57:13] | xand: | (my listings seem to have gaps then :|) |
| [20:57:40] | [R]: | twice a year half the people complain theri stuff breaks... and half complains they have no problem |
| [20:57:55] | [R]: | tbhere is no DST where i live... so i dont care about it |
| [20:58:21] | wagnerrp: | xand: do you have any recordings at that time? |
| [20:58:27] | xand: | no :D |
| [20:58:33] | Beirdo: | Oh yay, that time of the year again. Commence the ceaseless whining |
| [20:58:41] | wagnerrp: | then there is no chance of any problems |
| [20:58:48] | xand: | but it is a bug |
| [20:58:56] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [20:59:00] | AndyCap: | Beirdo: well, DST needs to die. :) |
| [20:59:05] | Beirdo: | DST is not a bug. It's a nuisance |
| [20:59:16] | xand: | I agree it's a nuisance... |
| [20:59:23] | AndyCap: | then again, so does timezones. :P |
| [20:59:31] | Beirdo: | not so |
| [20:59:37] | xand: | but the mythtv db design can't cope with it as far as I can see |
| [20:59:50] | Beirdo: | I dunno about you, but I don't want noon in the middle of the night |
| [21:00:37] | ** AndyCap isn't very attached to noon ** | |
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| [21:02:31] | Beirdo: | and midnight should be... in the night :) |
| [21:04:02] | AndyCap: | would rather that some one said I'll call you at 1600 hours and it was 1600 at both places. and if I'm at work from 14 to 22 then that's when you can call me, no matter where you are. |
| [21:04:16] | [R]: | well thats how the military works |
| [21:04:23] | [R]: | they use utc |
| [21:04:35] | Beirdo: | meh |
| [21:04:36] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [21:05:18] | wagnerrp: | [R]: no they dont |
| [21:05:28] | [R]: | don't they? |
| [21:05:38] | [R]: | they used "Zulu" on stargate |
| [21:05:40] | [R]: | i thought that was utc |
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| [21:05:58] | wagnerrp: | yes, it happens to be the same time as UTC, but its 'zulu' |
| [21:06:26] | Beirdo: | that's ridiculous :) Welcome to the military |
| [21:06:56] | [R]: | rofl |
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| [21:07:04] | Beirdo: | BTW, wikipedia disagrees |
| [21:07:11] | [R]: | what does the good book say? |
| [21:07:34] | Beirdo: | UTC (also colloquially known as "Zulu time") |
| [21:07:49] | Beirdo: | however, UTC != GMT |
| [21:07:59] | AndyCap: | anyone bring up gmt here? |
| [21:08:37] | ** AndyCap will be moving from Bravo time to Alpha time. ** | |
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| [21:09:31] | Beirdo: | anywho. timezones are a fact of life. live with it. |
| [21:09:55] | xand: | yeah, don't use mysql's datetime column type :P |
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| [21:10:29] | AndyCap: | nah. I'll stop timezones, I'll make a facebook page |
| [21:10:33] | AndyCap: | :> |
| [21:12:20] | [R]: | "but all you need to do is mkae myth use utc" |
| [21:12:39] | Beirdo: | not happening for a while, if ever |
| [21:12:47] | Beirdo: | we go over that twice a year :) |
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| [21:16:37] | Beirdo: | need a nap |
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| [21:16:50] | bobbens: | I'm getting some stuttering with DVB-T HD channels (1 sec pause every 3 sec), from the looks of it it's CPU starvation, I've tried the optimization things and changing to CPU- profile, but to no avail |
| [21:16:52] | bobbens: | is it possible to avoid caching it to disk as mpg? I think maybe that could help speed it up |
| [21:16:55] | wagnerrp: | bobbens: what processor do you have? could you 'ffmpeg -i' the content youre having problems with? |
| [21:17:10] | bobbens: | well the content is live tv stream |
| [21:17:33] | wagnerrp: | all content viewed by mythtv is recorded just the same |
| [21:17:55] | wagnerrp: | whether scheduled, or controlled through a livetv session |
| [21:18:14] | wagnerrp: | it will remain for 24 hours, unless it needs to be expired early to make room for more recordings |
| [21:18:35] | Beirdo: | and it always gets written to disk |
| [21:18:44] | Beirdo: | that's how mythtv works |
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| [21:18:56] | wagnerrp: | there is no way to prevent that, besides a huge rewrite of the mythtv internals |
| [21:19:59] | bobbens: | it is just 720x576 which is why I'm surprised it stutters like that (1 sec every 3–4 secs) |
| [21:20:07] | wagnerrp: | what processor? |
| [21:20:15] | bobbens: | AMD Sempron 3200+ |
| [21:20:18] | bobbens: | not the best in the world |
| [21:20:32] | wagnerrp: | should have plenty of power for that, even h264 at that resolution |
| [21:20:34] | wagnerrp: | what video card? |
| [21:20:35] | [R]: | 720x576 isn't hd... |
| [21:20:51] | bobbens: | actually |
| [21:20:56] | bobbens: | that's probably not the hd stream |
| [21:20:58] | bobbens: | sec |
| [21:21:22] | bobbens: | Stream #0.0[0xbf]: Video: h264, yuv420p, 1440x1080 [PAR 4:3 DAR 16:9], 40.73 fps, 50 tbr, 90k tbn, 50 tbc |
| [21:21:25] | bobbens: | probably that one |
| [21:21:40] | Beirdo: | 40.73 fps?! |
| [21:21:42] | wagnerrp: | 40fps...? |
| [21:21:46] | Beirdo: | wha? |
| [21:22:14] | wagnerrp: | sounds like there some issue with ffmpeg parsing the video stream |
| [21:22:20] | bobbens: | well I'm running ffmpeg -i on the mpgs saved by livetv |
| [21:22:25] | wagnerrp: | try something like VLC, or something else non-ffmpeg based |
| [21:22:28] | bobbens: | from before |
| [21:22:31] | wagnerrp: | and see if it has similar issues |
| [21:22:43] | bobbens: | 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2) |
| [21:22:45] | bobbens: | that's the card |
| [21:22:53] | bobbens: | ok, sec |
| [21:23:01] | wagnerrp: | with that card, you should be using the 'Slim' profile |
| [21:23:10] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if it would have enough power to push the opengl renderers |
| [21:23:27] | bobbens: | ok, I can try, I tried the "normal", "cpu-" and "high quality" |
| [21:23:31] | bobbens: | not slim |
| [21:23:58] | wagnerrp: | slim is the recommended default |
| [21:24:12] | bobbens: | well for some reason I had cpu++ as the default |
| [21:24:21] | bobbens: | this being arch linux |
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| [21:27:36] | bobbens: | well high res Sintel video plays fine |
| [21:27:39] | bobbens: | in both mplayer and vlc |
| [21:27:55] | bobbens: | and that's Stream #0.0(und): Video: h264, yuv420p, 2048x872, 3727 kb/s, 24 fps, 24 tbr, 24 tbn, 48 tbc |
| [21:28:31] | wagnerrp: | probably looks like crap though |
| [21:28:45] | wagnerrp: | 2048x872 and only 3.5mbps |
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| [21:30:20] | bobbens: | doesn't look that bad |
| [21:30:29] | bobbens: | but the issue with this "hd tv" channel is still there |
| [21:31:03] | bobbens: | cpu at 100%, mythfrontend taking it all |
| [21:31:35] | bobbens: | disk io is about 1 M/s, which should be fine, this is a raid1 lvm2 set up |
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