Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, October 28th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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kormoc:

if we don't find it, I'll just finish opentranslations.org

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kenni:

kormoc: is it something that you have already started on?

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kenni:

kormoc: I'm just thinking, if you're already 80% done, that could probably be a nice solution....otherwise I know that knightr have been in contact to the Pootle devs, who AFAIK was/is willing to fix problems to make it work with Qt

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: did you have any interest in the jobqueue? or just the process manager?

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Beirdo:

mainly in the core process management

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k-man:

the only thing i don't like about the childish theme is the font used in the program guide

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k-man:

other than that, its a very nice theme

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Beirdo:

very... childish

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Beirdo:

not that there's anything wrong with that, of course

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k-man:

yeah

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k-man:

are there any themes you can actually download yet using the new theme downloader?

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sphery:

a friend of mine has an a 4:3 projector in his main viewing room and a 16:9 HDTV in the kids' room

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wagnerrp:

all of them

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sphery:

So, aspect ratio means the themes he wanted for them aren't ideal

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wagnerrp:

all of the official themes, and i believe all from the theme contest, are downloadable

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sphery:

i.e. Arclight in main room and Childish in kids' room

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k-man:

sphery: cool

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wagnerrp:

but there is not yet a faculty for authors to add new, they have to go through one of the devs to get it there

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sphery:

as well as some of the 3rd party themes that CM knew about

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sphery:

I think he has all the ones mentioned in the wiki page available

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sphery:

(though may not be available for 0.24-fixes/trunk)

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k-man:

cool

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i dont see a way to render that image you had

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sphery:

wagnerrp: btw, S8 Smallville is much better than 6 & 7, and I've heard very good things about 10, too

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wagnerrp:

its too late now

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sphery:

wagnerrp: select MySQL db node, then E/R Views

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wagnerrp:

ah

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sphery:

then right click in the new white area an Add E/R View

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sphery:

Then select the E/R view, then on the right white area, Add Entity once for each each table you want

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sphery:

i.e. select a checkbox under Import ? for one table at a time

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sphery:

like I said, UI leaves a bit to be desired

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sphery:

there's a bit of info hidden in the tutorial

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sphery:

I didn't know how to export it, so I just screenshot'ed it

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Captain_Murdoch:

The only themes available in the Chooser/Downloader are the ones in subversion. I haven't gone through the 3rd party ones yet and made them available. We said there would be certain criteria for a theme being on the site, so I haven't put anything up yet that isn't in our subversion system. For trunk, there are 3rd party themes available for download and about 3–4 more that I need to upload sometime.

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Captain_Murdoch:

At the beginning of that last comment I mean "themes for 0.24/0.24-fixes"

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sphery:

ah, I thought you did add some of them

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Captain_Murdoch:

I have, for trunk.

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sphery:

oh

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

thanks for clarification

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Beirdo:

I ***HATE*** cmake

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Beirdo:

believe it or not... at least as much as I hate qmake

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sphery:

cmake = crazy make

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Captain_Murdoch:

but if they haven't been updated to work with changes in trunk, then they shoudn't be made available for download with 0.24. I need to go through and check for updates on all of them and get the others uploaded for trunk.

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Beirdo:

crappy make

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: speaking of which... any interest with sharing your keys to the downloader stuff with another dev who happens to have a couple of themes in SVN?

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Captain_Murdoch:

I'm still considering the idea of a non-official download site so people could put up works-in-progress so people could check them out. perhaps if/when we implement the true 'default' themes which are also uses for fallback.

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, I don't mind. the one script that does the packaging has some of my home directories hard-coded in it, but it also takes command line options to override those. it's all in subversion.

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k-man:

Captain_Murdoch: cool, thanks

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: I'd love to see some of the themes start disappearing from SVN, and I think it would be more likely to happen for his themes if he were able to update the downloader for new versions, etc.

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sphery:

and, yeah, we do need those true default themes

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, yes, I was hoping/planning that for 0.25, we could drop myththemes packaging and maybe some version soon we can drop everything in mythtv/themes in favor of those new defaults. :)

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sphery:

also a requirement for moving all the themes out of SVN

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sphery:

anyway, I think you know which dev I'm talking about--in case you'd like to mention something to him

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k-man:

why is mythcenter not a true default theeme?

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Captain_Murdoch:

I don't have an issue with devs maintaining their own themes in our svn, but for non-devs I'd like to see a google code repo or something.

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sphery:

I'll let him know that you don't have any issues with it

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Captain_Murdoch:

k-man, mythcenter is a rewrite of a pre-mythui theme. we want a new mythui default, built from the ground up.

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: agreed--so those who want MythCenter to live on can maintain it there...

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sphery:

etc.

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sphery:

k-man: and we mean that currently we have themes default and default-wide that can not be selected as themes and that are not full themes--they just fill in the blanks for incomplete themes

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Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: I'd like to see *all* themes but defaults moved out of our svn/git/whatever repo

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sphery:

k-man: the plan is to make themes /called/ default and default-wide that will be selectable (and will be the default selection for new installs) that are complete themes

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Beirdo:

it will put things on an even playing field for all

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Captain_Murdoch:

k-man, plan discussed is to get rid of current default and default-wide and make new ones that are totally complete and then get rid of Terra, and MythCenter*, so we only distribute default and default-wide which are true themes and then users can download any other themes they want.

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sphery:

k-man: and then theme authors/maintainers can move all the other ones elsewhere so that someone can look at changes with an eye toward consistency, etc.

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k-man:

sounds like a good plan

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** Captain_Murdoch is afk. **

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Beirdo:

github/googlecode/sourceforge/whatever :)

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k-man:

has there been any work on default themes?

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sphery:

rather than each dev who changes something about how the themes need done having to update 14 different themes (and, in the case of me--completely artistically-challenged dev--make a mess of the themes)

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sphery:

k-man: not yet

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sphery:

if you're artistically inclined, ...

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Beirdo:

autistically inclined?

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k-man:

no

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k-man:

i am artistically challenged

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sphery:

yeah, same here

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sphery:

give me 2 themes and I can tell you which one looks better

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sphery:

and somewhere around 50% of the time, I might be right

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sphery:

(Unlike with USB connections--where I'd expect a 50/50 shot of picking the right direction to plug it in. Instead, I try to plug it in, but it doesn't go right in, so I figure I have it backwards, so I flip it around, and it doesn't go right in, so I press a little harder and it still doesn't work, so I realize I had it right the first time, and I needed to press harder.)

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k-man:

my better half contantly loves to ask me "which of these two items looks nicer"

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k-man:

drives me bloody nuts! she's the artist, how the fuck should I know?

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sphery:

seems I get about 20/80 on guessing the right direction for USB connections

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

language, please, though

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k-man:

sphery: oh yeah.... that's classing. i wish they would have made usb connectors round

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k-man:

oh, sorry bout the language

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Beirdo:

women... can't live with them... pass the beer nuts.

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sphery:

round like PS/2 connectors

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k-man:

Beirdo: a great Normism

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sphery:

those are just as bad for me :)

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sphery:

even s-video

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k-man:

sphery: well, not just round, i meant axially symetric or something

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sphery:

make them W shaped or something, and I might get them right

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** sphery starts the new spec for the W-USB connector **

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k-man:

round like an earphone jack, ie, insert at any angle

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sphery:

that works

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sphery:

only time I mess those up is when I plug the earphones into the mic port

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simcop2387:

what wikipage should i look at on how to make my own user jobs? (e.g. what parameters does the command get and if there's anything i'm expected to output/do)

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/User_Jobs

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Jobs

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sphery:

d'oh, too slow

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wagnerrp:

the only thing expected of you is that you use proper exit codes

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simcop2387:

figures, i suck at searching tonight

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wagnerrp:

0 on success, anything else on failure

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sphery:

simcop2387: I highly recommend google's search over the built-into-the-wiki search

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k-man:

its like, i don't ask my wife which hard disk we should buy .... why does she ask me what colour X we should buy?

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sphery:

mythtv wiki user jobs

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Beirdo:

well, what if she looks extra sexy in a color?

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k-man:

she looks sexy in all colours to me

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Beirdo:

I said *extra* :)

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sphery:

or if you feel like typing: site:mythtv.org/wiki user jobs

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simcop2387:

just remember, every color you should suggest should match her eyes, it'll help you remember the color and it'll make her feel good

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k-man:

Beirdo: i measure sexyness in binary ;)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

heh: 0 ... 1 ... 0 .... 1 ... 0 ... 1...0...1.01010101

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Beirdo:

I'm learning too much about cmake. make it stop!

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Beirdo:

I'm trying to use some contrib code.

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sphery:

Beirdo: you mean cmake it stop

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Beirdo:

but the fartknockers don't make "make install" install the contrib lib

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Beirdo:

thanks, dillholes

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wagnerrp:

the cmake is a lie

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Beirdo:

they didn't put in the "install()" lines into CMakeLists.txt

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sphery:

Beirdo: so you really don't like things like: cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX:PATH=/usr -DCMAKE_SHARED_LIBRARY_PREFIX=lib ?

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sphery:

what are they supposed to use? Something archaic, like autotools?

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Beirdo:

that part I have done already

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sphery:

that's just crazy

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wagnerrp:

i thought we used gmake

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Beirdo:

autotools :) Yummy

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sphery:

yeah, but cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX:PATH=/usr -DCMAKE_SHARED_LIBRARY_PREFIX=lib is just plain intuitive. Something like, ./configure --prefix=/usr --libdir=lib is completely obscure

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Beirdo:

yep

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

sphery: any idea why this guy would be getting duplicate movies in the first place? http://mythtv.org/wiki/FindDuplicateRecordings

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sphery:

Beirdo: this is why so many projects are switching to cmake... musicbrainz, project-m, libvisual, avidemux2, cdrkit, hugin, autopano-sift-c, stellarium ...

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iamlindoro:

That script looks way, way too dangerous to be allowed to live

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Beirdo:

they are just... retarded

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sphery:

iamlindoro: at least it's using the bindings to access the data and send a request to delete the recording

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sphery:

so the DB will be in good shape after the fact

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iamlindoro:

heh, "yay"

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sphery:

might be empty, but will be clean :)

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iamlindoro:

Username is mugatu, and he was an evil villain

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sphery:

at least the default category won't match a lot

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iamlindoro:

so it says something

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sphery:

I am so proud to say I had to look that one up to get the ref

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Beirdo:

mugatu?

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wagnerrp:

will farrel

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Beirdo:

from where?

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wagnerrp:

zoolander apparently

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I'd guess based on the category he has that it's a problem with guide data--i.e. EIT with differing subtitle/description info or bad programids

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Beirdo:

ooooh

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Beirdo:

right

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sphery:

so dup matching isn't working

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Beirdo:

YAY

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Beirdo:

it installed.

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Beirdo:

libclucene-contribs-lib-static.a

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: well on the plus side, he seems to know his way around sql better than most that attempt

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sphery:

I wonder if "spielfilm" is a secret code to delete all SKG dreamworks shows

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Beirdo:

can you come up with a more retarded lib name?

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wagnerrp:

better than me anyway, ive got to go to kormoc for my funky 'group by' stuff

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sphery:

heh, me too

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sphery:

heh, Smallville S8E10, Bride, is Cloverfield

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Beirdo:

time to go home

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro, sphery: better?

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wagnerrp:

default behavior is to simply print all duplicate recordings

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wagnerrp:

you have to do 'FindDuplicateRecordings.py --delete' to actually delete them

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sphery:

sounds good to me

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k-man:

after a make install in the python bindings directory, do i need to do anything special for the mythnetvision configure to find the bindings?

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wagnerrp:

only if you installed in an odd prefix

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mzb:

does anyone have a hint/script for converting SD mpeg2 to h264 for playback on an Android device with a Cortex A8 cpu?

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k-man:

oh, it found it now – not sure why it was complaining before

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k-man:

thanks wagnerrp

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sphery:

mzb: handbrake with one of the ipod presets?

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mzb:

on linux?

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sphery:

yeah, or other

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sphery:

http://handbrake.fr/

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mzb:

kk

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mzb:

thanks

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sphery:

I haven't tried it, so I'm just guessing it would work

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sphery:

it's also easy to use manually, but may not be ideal for a scripted approach

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sphery:

likely available in your distros repos

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wagnerrp:

sphery: how did you get druid to show the table relations

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you have to define foreign keys

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sphery:

so when you select the data type for a column when defining the table, you don't select a type

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sphery:

you select a column from another table--below the list of types

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wagnerrp:

ah, thats why that stuff is there

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sphery:

FWIW, I just figured that one out when I made some changes to the schema about 2 weeks ago. Before, I just drew them on in GIMP because I couldn't figure it out.

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mzb:

I want to convert my music videos (1600) and a few movies

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mzb:

I'm currently testing on an A81E

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mzb:

but I've just won an OS-72HR, so I want to load it up

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mzb:

*most* of the conversions will need to be scripted ... I'll see how I go ;)

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k-man:

in mythnetvision browse view, i get the top level links, but can't do anything beyond that

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wagnerrp:

sphery: anywhere, heres what im thinking... http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/jobqueue_schema.png

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sphery:

mzb: you can set up a batch queue for handbrake, so it doesn't necessarily require coming back in between each transcode

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mzb:

nifty

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mzb:

thanks

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sphery:

wagnerrp: it's just spinning and not loading

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sphery:

permission issue?

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sphery:

actually, I'm stuck at "connecting to"

[02:39:18]

wagnerrp:

no, IP changed some time in the past day

[02:39:22]

sphery:

ahh

[02:39:46]

wagnerrp:

66.42.240.211

[02:40:34]

sphery:

that worked

[02:41:52]

sphery:

cool

[02:42:08]

sphery:

should show it to CM, too

[02:42:25]

wagnerrp:

the existing GUI displays 'transcode; --> transcode types; commflags; userjob1; userjob2; ...'

[02:42:28]

sphery:

(I don't konw much of anything about the job queue)

[02:42:52]

wagnerrp:

i figure the UI would now show 'type; --> name; --> --> subname'

[02:43:27]

sphery:

where they'd be?

[02:43:32]

sphery:

like an example?

[02:43:48]

wagnerrp:

that is type/name/subname in the jobcommand table

[02:44:01]

wagnerrp:

when you go into 'job options' in watch recordings...

[02:44:32]

wagnerrp:

so for example, each mythtranscode profile would get its own jobcommand entry

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sphery:

ah, cool

[02:45:08]

wagnerrp:

'transcode --> mythtranscode --> lossless mpeg2; transcode --> mythtranscode --> mpeg4 2000kbps; ...'

[02:51:08]

wagnerrp:

i also plan on moving things like mythfilldatabase into it

[02:51:43]

wagnerrp:

so for example, SD tells us the next time a job should run

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wagnerrp:

when MFD finishes, it would automatically queue itself back up

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[R]:

wagnerrp: and it'll still run if you miss the time?

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sphery:

cool. That would make the whole shutdown/wakeup thing easier, too

[02:52:53]

sphery:

and we can pick a random time to run it within the window in the next period for other grabbers, too

[02:53:10]

wagnerrp:

[R]: yeah

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[R]:

but shutdown is prevented if jobs are pending...

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sphery:

funny things is that this is another one of the thigns from my TODO list (reworking the housekeeper, specifically--but it was all based on consolidating housekeeping and job queue jobs), and I didn't even have to talk this one up to get you to do it

[02:54:10]

wagnerrp:

im not sure how to handle things like 'run commflag before/after transcode'

[02:54:14]

sphery:

you just decided to do it on your own

[02:54:24]

wagnerrp:

[R]: if the scheduled time hasnt hit yet, then no jobs would be pending

[02:54:36]

wagnerrp:

it will not shutdown before the schedruntime

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[R]:

ah... pending is it wants to run but hit the max?

[02:54:42]

wagnerrp:

erm... it will not run before

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wagnerrp:

pending would be anything that wants to run now

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[R]:

sounds pretty sweet

[02:55:07]

wagnerrp:

or for the purposes of shutdown, within the next 15 minutes maybe

[02:55:40]

wagnerrp:

similarly, the jobhost has a 'terminate' field

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wagnerrp:

which would allow the jobqueue to terminate jobs that have run over on their time constraints

[02:56:11]

wagnerrp:

to allow it to shutdown during certain periods

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[R]:

that is sweet

[02:56:20]

[R]:

because i had a commflag that was stuck for hours

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[R]:

it would fix that?

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wagnerrp:

that would not, not sure how to handle that

[02:56:53]

wagnerrp:

unless you told it 'dont run between 10pm and 6am'

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[R]:

well what if you had a field that said "timeout after X hours"

[02:57:20]

[R]:

like a commflag shoud'nt run for such a long time

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wagnerrp:

i was thinking about that, i dont think i like a setting for that

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sphery:

wagnerrp: could do the commflag before/after stuff with some sort of dependentjobs field or something--i.e. ref a different job that must be complete before this one can start?

[02:58:19]

wagnerrp:

i have no way of knowing a good default

[02:58:59]

wagnerrp:

if youve got a slow processor, it could be perfectly reasonable for an HD transcode to take 20hrs

[02:59:00]

[R]:

what if it was just a configurable option

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[R]:

on the backend settings for the job

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sphery:

more settings?

[02:59:22]

sphery:

crazy talk

[02:59:25]

[R]:

theres already a few commflag settings

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wagnerrp:

i think it would be good to have it terminate a process if there has been no change in wall time for the past 15 minutes, or something like that

[03:00:14]

wagnerrp:

maybe a low a wall_max in jobhost

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wagnerrp:

s/a low/allow/

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wagnerrp:

no, cputime, not walltime... got the two mixed up

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: in?

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Beirdo:

I am now

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wagnerrp:

you ever pulled CPU time out of something?

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wagnerrp:

im wondering if that would be something worthwhile to put in the reaper loop

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Beirdo:

never tried that, no.

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Beirdo:

that could have some possibilities, couldn't it? For certain we need to be able to terminate at user input (menu in frontend or mythweb)

[03:31:56]

Beirdo:

but having a "this hasn't done any CPU usage in 1h, it should die" may have some uses

[03:32:08]

wagnerrp:

i was thinking 15 minutes

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Beirdo:

that could work.

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wagnerrp:

that would at least handle deadlocks

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wagnerrp:

wouldnt do anything for out-of-control processes

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Beirdo:

be sure to make that a flag (to enable or disable, either way)

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Beirdo:

there may be some processes that we'd want sticking around even if they are doing squat (like an external browser)

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wagnerrp:

sure, but there would be no purpose for such a thing in the jobqueue

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Beirdo:

heh, one would expect not :)

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Beirdo:

good point

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wagnerrp:

i assume we cant track file/network io?

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wagnerrp:

certainly not as non-root anyway

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Beirdo:

I'm not sure, but likely not

[03:37:56]

sphery:

wagnerrp: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/240415#240415 + http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2782

[03:38:24]

wagnerrp:

yeah, CM mentioned that ticket a few days ago

[03:38:29]

sphery:

wagnerrp: + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . rch_type=AND

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sphery:

lots of threads with discussion of stuff related to that sparked by #2782 (and, of course, broken into many disparate locations in the archive)

[03:39:51]

Beirdo:

whaaaaa?

[03:40:02]

Beirdo:

my fitpc2 is saying it has VT-x support?

[03:40:35]

Beirdo:

on an Atom Z530... can it be?

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wagnerrp:

look... at.. that.. 'i also really wanted not to introduce any more config options (believing that software should "do the right thing right without configuring)'

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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wagnerrp:

sphery: a while back, i was considering adding a toggle for cpuheavy/ioheavy

[03:41:52]

wagnerrp:

stuff like lossless transcoding would be marked ioheavy, and would not allow autoscaling if they were running

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Beirdo:

hahaah

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Beirdo:

he's using /proc/stat?

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sphery:

the ionice support would be very, er, nice, too

[03:42:25]

wagnerrp:

stuff like commflagging and transcoding would be cpuheavy, and allow multiples if there was free

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sphery:

not that he was using that, but something danielk was considering a few days ago

[03:43:02]

sphery:

my main concern when he posted it was that it would never kick off a job on an always maxed processor running BOINC

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wagnerrp:

perhaps the 'right thing' would be detecting if a job was using an entire CPU, and not further

[03:43:16]

sphery:

Beirdo: yeah, it probably needs a more appropriate/modern approach to things

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Beirdo:

I think even with that stuff, the user still needs to be able to specify whether or not to run jobs on a box, so there's no point in removing the max jobs

[03:43:20]

wagnerrp:

indicating it was CPU limited but there were more CPU resources available

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sphery:

it was submitted 4 years ago

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

being able to disable them on a crappy backend, you might as well let people choose a number rather than yes/no

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sphery:

I think this will also be a lot easier to configure when we break up mbe

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Beirdo:

yeah

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sphery:

just don't run mythjobqueue on hosts that shouldn't run jobs

[03:44:48]

sphery:

or have mythjobqueue run only during certain periods...

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/jobqueue_schema.png

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wagnerrp:

the jobhost table allows you to define what jobs to allow on what hosts

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wagnerrp:

with optional time constraints, and the ability to terminate if those constraints are exceeded

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Beirdo:

that should still have a max jobs entry per host, I think

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sphery:

OK, so a visitor from the 31st century says, "Preserve life at all costs. That will be the number 1 rule in Legion Code from now on."

[03:46:09]

sphery:

Which, "now"?

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Beirdo:

or a maximum CPU usage or maximum IO usage or soemthing

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wagnerrp:

preserve life at cost to.. life?

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sphery:

yeah, they gloss over that part, too

[03:47:24]

sphery:

I think it's more of an "Never choose to actively end life, but don't worry about passively costing life."

[03:47:35]

[R]:

myth on a beaglebord

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[R]:

WTF!?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: xbmc did it

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Beirdo:

if someone makes the DSP like them, why not?

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sphery:

[R]: isn't that what the guy who did the kennel upgrade was trying?

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[R]:

i can't keep all the lusers straight

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/456823#456823 for all the jokes

[03:49:12]

sphery:

it was a different guy... just a beagle/kennel joke

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wagnerrp:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

anyone here have a mac?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: ping

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kormoc:

pong

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kormoc:

what's up Mr. wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

do you use mythtv on OSX?

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kormoc:

Sorta. I run a job queue all the time, frontend only time to time

[04:03:27]

kormoc:

but I can always fire one up if needed

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wagnerrp:

just concerned about the bindings

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kormoc:

I can test those out for ya

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wagnerrp:

whether there is anything special that needs to be done, or if they just install as normal

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wagnerrp:

just a simple 'import MythTV' would suffice

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kormoc:

ImportError: No module named MythTV

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wagnerrp:

may be missing the prereqs

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kormoc:

I'll check real quick

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kormoc:

configure shows bindings_python yes

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kormoc:

I'm compiling as a user so perhaps it's trying to install and failing

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wagnerrp:

install shouldnt be performed until the 'make install'

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kormoc:

well

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kormoc:

I'm building .app bundles so I'm not sure how that step is done

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kormoc:

is there a make bindings or make python?

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wagnerrp:

nope, but python has its own special installer run through the makefile

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kormoc:

I'm wagering the packager script doesn't install the python stuff anywhere

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kormoc:

(same with the perl)

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

python setprefix.py "/Users/kormoc/Projects/MythTV/OSX_Build/.osx-packager/build"

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kormoc:

is there a way to set the python/bindings prefix different then the system prefix?

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kormoc:

(If you know)

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wagnerrp:

with --prefix

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kormoc:

that's the full install prefix

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wagnerrp:

then it should use that

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kormoc:

which it does

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kormoc:

but isn't a system path, as we bundle it

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kormoc:

so they're not usable

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wagnerrp:

however you will have to manually tell thins where the bindings got intalled to

[04:21:10]

wagnerrp:

the PYTHONPATH env variable

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kormoc:

so if we set that, it'll work eh? Let me give that a go

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wagnerrp:

that adjusts the search path

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kormoc:

ooh

[04:25:18]

kormoc:

well that doesn't really work

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wagnerrp:

so it needs to be the absolute path to the library directory

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wagnerrp:

if its hidden inside some .app file... i dont know what you would do

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kormoc:

it never makes it to the .app

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kormoc:

it gets installed into the build directory

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kormoc:

and never merged out

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kormoc:

it would just be really nice to be able to do --prefix-bindings-python=~/Library/Python/2.6/

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wagnerrp:

force a specific prefix for the python bindings, instead of the main one?

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kormoc:

Yes

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kormoc:

I guess that doesn't overly help

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kormoc:

I guess we should package it into the .app (all of them) and tell the user to set that env var

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wagnerrp:

the 'setprefix.py' program isnt to tell the bindings where to install, its to tell the bindings where mythtv is installed

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kormoc:

Yeah, there's no concept of a installed program in OS X really

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kormoc:

it's pretty fluid

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wagnerrp:

specifically so it can hit the default metadata grabbers when their database settings have not been set up

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k-man:

i love the narky responses people get on the dev mailing list for asking user questions

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wagnerrp:

but... youre going to have to develop a fix for my problem, right?

[04:35:31]

wagnerrp:

what in particular?

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wagnerrp:

the 64-bit platform one?

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kormoc:

I'm attempting to think of a fix, aye

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kormoc:

and nothing's coming to mind at the moment

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kormoc:

other then shipping the bindings in each bundle and attempting to install them when the app gets run

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wagnerrp:

no, i was making a snarky response about people posting user support issues in the -dev list

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wagnerrp:

wasnt intending to ask you to fix the bindings

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wagnerrp:

sorry if thats how it sounded

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kormoc:

ahh

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[R]:

http://www.devwhy.com/blog/2009/8/4/from-writ . . . h-chips.html

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[R]:

i figure it's time to learn how SSDs work

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wagnerrp:

why?

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[R]:

why not?

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wagnerrp:

theyre extremely expensive for the benefit they provide

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[R]:

i dindt say i was gonna get one

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[R]:

i said i should learn how they work

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wagnerrp:

never had a TI calculator?

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[R]:

i had a ti83+

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[R]:

still do actually

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wagnerrp:

so you should already know what that article discusses

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

all its talking about is the garbage collection process

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wagnerrp:

assuming you used that calculator haevily

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wagnerrp:

you would have eventually run out of memory

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wagnerrp:

and had to run a GC

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wagnerrp:

at least when i did that, i said WTF and read the manual

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[R]:

yeah, i vaguely remember

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Beirdo:

clucene is driving me a wee bit insane at the moment

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Beirdo:

oh and this is wonderful

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Beirdo:

trac.c:1166: error: âsvn_client_logâ is deprecated (declared at /usr/include/subversion-1/svn_client.h:2062)

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[R]:

Beirdo: why is it wonderful?

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Beirdo:

because it's frigging borked

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Beirdo:

seems now they want me to use svn_client_log5

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kormoc:

so intuitive!

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[R]:

deprectated shoudn't be an error...

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[R]:

are you using -Werror?

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Beirdo:

they have deprecated 4 versions already

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Beirdo:

of course I am

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

anyone with any common sense does that :)

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[R]:

haha

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kormoc:

anyone on -trunk from last night or later?

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justinh:

"Rooted Logitech Revue + HDCP Master key compromise = Awesome HD content capture.". Time to send SmellTheCoffeeOverIP

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[R]:

how do they plan on capturing?

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justinh:

with a googletv box of course!

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justinh:

because what it's doing is *capturing* HDMI right.. not just grabbing frames & overlaying stuff over the top of it.. right? Right?! What? You mean that's *all* it does? Oh :-\ LOL

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[R]:

lol

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justinh:

just think though, he'll be able to play bluray discs & capture them realtime. Oh boy, how we've all missed having to do everything realtime

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justinh:

surely there are proper teardowns of that googletv box on the interwebs already

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justinh:

yup... http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Logitech-Revue-Teardown/3788/1

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justinh:

as I suspected. it's basically just an HDMI framegrabber. do something with *that* I dare you!

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[R]:

wait... it has an hdmi input?

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justinh:

aye

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justinh:

holy poop.. there's no media acceleration onboard at all by the looks of it

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rileyp:

what is the latest db schema version Im on 1254

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[R]:

justinh: whats the processor?

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rileyp:

My vesrion of myth is 0.23.0 +fixes 24158

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Beirdo:

OK, all compiled

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Beirdo:

I don't feel like testing tonight

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rileyp:

ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '/h' at line 1

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rileyp:

I typed DBSchemaVersion into mysql

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justinh:

so this googletv thing can do everything a 1.2Ghz Atom can do. ROFLMAO

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Beirdo:

rileyp: if you don't know how to do SQL, you really REALLY shouldn't be using the mysql client

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rileyp:

actually and then I typed DBShemaVersion /h;

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rileyp:

Bah I know It stillworks but Id like to fix justwhatever that would of hurt

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sphery:

rileyp: latest version of the DB schema is printed in the log output when you start mythbackend or mythfrontend

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sphery:

rileyp: for 0.23-fixes, it's 1254

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sphery:

so you have it

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rileyp:

Beirdo I know I shouldnt have typed that into my sql I was trying to find out my schema version

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justinh:

have it? I wouldn't *have* it if you gave me one

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sphery:

rileyp: look for a message like, "Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1254" in your logs

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rileyp:

sphery I know its 1254 now but.. when I now type /h; into mysql I get the error above

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justinh:

well ok. maybe as a doorstop

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Beirdo:

so don't type /h into mysql

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justinh:

ah it has an integrated GPU. I missed that. So there might be GPU accelerated video decoding.. but still.. that makes it worse than an Ion

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Beirdo:

in fact, don't run mysql client

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sphery:

rileyp: you want \h for help

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sphery:

not /h

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rileyp:

So Id like to fix whatever I may have wronged my typing DBSChemaVersion \h; into mysql

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sphery:

nothing's wrong...

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sphery:

just type \h

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sphery:

get help

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sphery:

notice it's all still working

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sphery:

then quit to exit :)

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justinh:

..."is claimed to be able to decode two full HD (High Definition) 1080p video streams simultaneously in famous H.264 codec format". I like that. Claimed. Ach well.

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sphery:

justinh: both being 160x90@200kbps

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[R]:

why do you need to decode 2 streams?

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sphery:

but played back on a 1080p screen :)

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sphery:

justinh: which device is this?

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rileyp:

check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'DBSchemaVersion' at line 1

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sphery:

rileyp: yeah, DBSchemaVersion isn't a SQL command

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justinh:

the atom chip in that googletv effort

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rileyp:

Ah so how do I rid that line

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sphery:

justinh: the atom chip?

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sphery:

maybe the GPU in it could decode the H.264

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justinh:

yeah the atom 4150

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sphery:

the atom couldn't handle a single one, though

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sphery:

unless it's not your typical atom

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justinh:

this is the SoC STB targetted version

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sphery:

yeah, I'll believe that when... well, I'll never believe that

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sphery:

I think I see the exact article you're reading, though: http://www.mydigitallife.info/2009/09/25/inte . . . -digital-tv/

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justinh:

well, just hit the first result that looked promising

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sphery:

http://hothardware.com/News/Intel-launches-ne . . . -Revolution/ has some architecture info

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sphery:

looks like there's dedicated HD decoder supporting 2xMPEG-2/VC-1/H.264 or 1xMPEG-4.2 and HW accelerated JPEG decode

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sphery:

so, it's not that Atom doing it, it's some other chip

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

on the chip

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sphery:

that's /far/ more belivable

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sphery:

yeah, system on a chip...

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justinh:

chips glued together :)

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sphery:

some other core?

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justinh:

see it does mpeg2.. thought as much.. only googletv doesn't support that

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sphery:

definitely not the IA-32 general-purpose processor

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sphery:

licensing, perhaps?

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justinh:

though I wouldn't have been surprised if my original conclusion stood to be true

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sphery:

I missed that conclusion...

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sphery:

was watching TV

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justinh:

if it was just a plain old atom

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sphery:

ah, yeah

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justinh:

a lame crappy 1.2ghz atom.. and that was *all* it had going on inside

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sphery:

I would guess it's a plain old atom + other hardware

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sphery:

for which there are no FOSS drivers

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justinh:

(yet)

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sphery:

meaning it's a hobbled PC

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sphery:

unless you're Google

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justinh:

but it's got an HDMI input!

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justinh:

just root it, add the master key & cap anything HD :-D

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sphery:

then it's a nice little machine to get people to give you full control over all TV-related advertising

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sphery:

probably not capturing the HDMI

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justinh:

it's getting a lot of people very excited... and it's hard to see why. whee look ma – low bitrate video from the internets!

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sphery:

probably just compositing on top of whatever it pulls off it

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sphery:

then passing through so to speak

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justinh:

that's what I figured from the start

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sphery:

ah, yeah

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justinh:

they're likely just doing the equivalent of hardware overlay...

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

kind of like the ATI AIW designs

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justinh:

like in the old days passing video through a hole in the desktop

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

exactly what ATI did

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justinh:

it's only 3Gb/sec video.. no sweat

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I'm still waiting for Fusion

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justinh:

Mr Fusion(tm) ?

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sphery:

Ontario, Llano, and Zacate sound like winners to me

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sphery:

oh, wouldn't mind one of those, either

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sphery:

though with AMD Fusion, my power requirements could drop substantially

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sphery:

Athlon II-class CPU + ATI 5870-class GPU for 9W or 18W

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justinh:

with Mr Fusion(tm) you needn't worry about your power requirements today *or* tomorrow

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sphery:

(total)

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justinh:

We at Mr Fusion(tm) have got it covered (R)

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justinh:

right. time to escape the screaming little tyke and head to work

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sphery:

Ontario is 9W dual-core, Zacate is 18W dual-core, Llano is 20–59W (in dual-, triple-, and quad-core Athlon II-class CPU)--and TDP numbers include both CPU and GPU

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at0m:

hi, in mythweb's program listings, what determines the height of each channel? Here they're about 100px high, and I could do with a lot less..

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justinh:

at0m: css – but more directly possibly the epg icon

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at0m:

justinh: indeed been suspecting the icons

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at0m:

will look into the css, and maybe different icons, cheers!

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justinh:

looks like the channel icon has a max height of 30px

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justinh:

and the channel row a height of 70px

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justinh:

in tv_list.css

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justinh:

oh crap! I just edited mythweb css.

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at0m:

n00b

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** at0m ducks **

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justinh:

you don't understand

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at0m:

you edited then saved eh?

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justinh:

it's the top of a very slippery slope, is editing a file to see what happens

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justinh:

I remember when I'd never laid eyes on a theme xml

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justinh:

hey, I think I much prefer x-channel being 30px high than 70px

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at0m:

yea that's enough for 2 lines of info

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justinh:

save even more space if the icon was at the far left with the number to the right of it

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at0m:

and then again, one line can suffise if the mouse-hoovering info pops up

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justinh:

true

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justinh:

but that'd end up being a bit of a mare to read

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at0m:

yea

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justinh:

yup. Think I'll be leaving that x-channel property at 30px

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justinh:

or even 20px :D

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at0m:

and don't even need the channel number next to the icon

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justinh:

looks like mythweb is much easier to theme than Wordpress

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at0m:

icon says enough eh

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justinh:

the style tags are much better named than on most WP themes I've seen

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kormoc:

and it's gonna get better once we get around to re-doing it properly :)

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justinh:

though with all the ripping off people do I'd be tempted to obsfurcate tag names too

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justinh:

I always said I might get round to skinning mythweb one day. Heh

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justinh:

still wanna do that fancy date entering gadget too

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at0m:

re: date formatting, can that be set system-wide? seems to be stored in cookies/db/... so each new web client gets defaults again

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at0m:

btw, that program list looks much more comprehensible :))

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justinh:

you could mash it

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at0m:

mash?

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justinh:

yeah. hit it with a hammer & make it do your bidding

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at0m:

ehehehe

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at0m:

the "jump to" has 24h clock, all other clocks have 12h AM/PM style

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justinh:

arghh I know why I've never messed with the date formats

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at0m:

unless i go set them all individually from mythweb settings

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kormoc:

run -trunk

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kormoc:

there's now a concept of a default session

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at0m:

that's like 8 lines to edit

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at0m:

ah cool, kormoc !

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kormoc:

so set your things, set it as the default, everything will use it

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at0m:

excellent

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justinh:

that mister kormoc thinks of everything

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at0m:

8)

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at0m:

will wait till it comes in on debian testing eh

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kormoc:

it'll be part of 0.24

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justinh:

like in about 5 years time :D

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at0m:

:o

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at0m:

anyways, justinh, thanks for helping me sort that channel heights

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justinh:

it's nice to get interesting questions here once in a while

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at0m:

:)

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justinh:

whuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut? Beagleboard users?! :-O

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wagnerrp:

justin: yeah.... but to be fair, there was a GSoC project for XBMC that added support for the DSP

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wagnerrp:

the UI performance is adequate, and supposedly video playback is pretty good

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justinh:

yeh but it's very edgy stuff isn't it

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wagnerrp:

its certainly worthless without the DSP

[11:30:15]

justinh:

and that something is possible on any platform doesn't say it's *sane* ;-)

[11:30:35]

wagnerrp:

and there has been no mention of any support for that DSP in mythtv

[11:31:08]

justinh:

quite neat though.. pushing back frontiers & all that jazz

[11:33:13]

justinh:

worth noting that not much ever came of the Neuros OSD

[11:36:06]

wagnerrp:

worth noting that nothing of much worth could come from the Neuros OSD

[11:36:40]

wagnerrp:

not enough power

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wagnerrp:

standard definition only

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wagnerrp:

no h264 support

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wagnerrp:

mpeg2 bitrates not exceeding 6mbps (cant even play DVDs directly)

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justinh:

see they've got the 'Link' effort now.. but then that looks suspiciously like a mini itx pc

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wagnerrp:

sounds like one too.... dual core 2.5GHz, 1GB DDR (up to 8GB)

[11:39:48]

wagnerrp:

DDR 1? that cant be right can it?

[11:40:14]

justinh:

not with a dual core CPU AFAIK

[11:40:44]

wagnerrp:

no, the old 939 athlons were all DDR1 and could be dual core

[11:40:52]

wagnerrp:

but they havent made those since... 2007 or so

[11:41:24]

wagnerrp:

and they had a nasty little problem with the number of memory ranks they supported

[11:41:38]

wagnerrp:

made running 8GB of memory a bit difficult

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justinh:

eew. sempron

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justinh:

video is now handled by a nvidia 8200

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wagnerrp:

so its 2.7GHz, not 2.5

[11:43:16]

wagnerrp:

and DDR2/3, not 1

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justinh:

nah, embedded devices just can't do mythical convergence yet. It's been this way for so long I doubt it'll change in the next 5 years

[11:46:19]

justinh:

mmhhh. another bricked unit for me to look at. software devs are saying "it shouldn't happen" about a user changing a setting & it messing up the bootloader.. but it IS happening – and is becoming a regular occurrence

[11:46:54]

justinh:

bet if I look upstream at Ecos bugfixes there are flash write improvements

[11:47:15]

wagnerrp:

22 yr old woman in jacksonville kills her baby son for interrupting a game of farmville

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wagnerrp:

seriously?

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justinh:

whaaaaaa?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: your people have earned the 'florida' tag on Fark

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justinh:

though folks will blame FB & farmville for that, not the mental instability of the woman

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k-man:

which table holds the programs to be recorded?

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justinh:

why?

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justinh:

users shouldn't need to know any of this stuff

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k-man:

i updated my recording profile to not comm flag, but i think previously scheduled shows are still showing up in the joq queue when they record

[12:20:36]

justinh:

and if you're aiming to stuff your own entries in there... that's probably not the best way to go about things. you'd need to look at using bindings

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justinh:

first guess would be the *record* table then

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k-man:

no, i want to make sure none of my recording schedules end up with comm flagging

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k-man:

ahh! autocommflag sounds like it

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k-man:

thanks for the pointer justinh

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justinh:

we never help anybody break their own database here you should know that by now

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justinh:

ends up being more work for us when folks do that ;-)

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k-man:

justinh: yeah, well i'm going to do my best to break it by myself

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k-man:

;)

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wagnerrp:

there is no table that holds the shows to be recorded

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wagnerrp:

that data exists only in memory

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k-man:

record is the table i was after

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wagnerrp:

those are the rules, not the upcoming recordings

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wagnerrp:

ah, nevermind, that is what you wanted

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k-man:

yes :)

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k-man:

ok, so i get this problem when i try and use your mythvidexport script

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wagnerrp:

0.23 or 0.24?

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k-man:

it gives an error: could not find setting 'mythvideo.TVGrabber' on host mythbox in .24 from trunk, svn up, compiled and installed today

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wagnerrp:

im going to claim you didnt

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k-man:

ok – only thing is i might have restarted the backend before i did a make install for the py bindings

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wagnerrp:

that error does not exist in the 0.24 or trunk bindings

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k-man:

oh... hang on -i might have made a mistake re version number

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k-man:

it says version 0-23-fixes 27001M

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wagnerrp:

uh huh... so you have never set up the grabbers on that host in mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

you must run through the mythvideo pages at least once for it to set defaults

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k-man:

so is that the correct trunk version?

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wagnerrp:

no, that is from the 0.23-fixes branch

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k-man:

crap

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k-man:

ok, back to the drawring board

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wagnerrp:

looks like mark snagged 27000

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k-man:

ok how do i get svn to move me to trunk rather than .23-fixes?

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wagnerrp:

easier to just make a new checkout

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wagnerrp:

better to switch to the 0.24-fixes branch at this point

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k-man:

oh, ok

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k-man:

ill also try the git repo too

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wagnerrp:

not sure why it would make a difference, but whatever

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wagnerrp:

git vs. svn really only makes any difference to people would would be committing

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wagnerrp:

or otherwise doing local development

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k-man:

i may do the later

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k-man:

git makes it easier to change branch too

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justinh:

just another flavour of the month version control system IMHO

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justinh:

linus uses it therefore it must be good etc

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k-man:

justinh: i hardly do any coding these days, but have used cvs and svn in the past, recently did a tutorial of git. the one thing i liked about git is the ability to switch branch in place

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k-man:

that is really cool imho

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justinh:

I'd just got used to svn :-\

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k-man:

justinh: yeah i know what you mean

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justinh:

you can soon end up with a situation like the v4l tree. eesh

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k-man:

is that bad is it?

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k-man:

the v4l tree i mean

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justinh:

or is it that it just looks bad?

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justinh:

zillions of branches or whatever

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k-man:

well, there i was thinking i had compiled .24 and it was just .23-fixes *sigh*

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justinh:

pays to name your checkout dirs appropriately :-P

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wagnerrp:

a simple 'svn info' would have told you as much

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k-man:

wagnerrp: yeah

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marc-us-tx:

Ah, good morning all.

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** Captain_Murdoch thinks you can't get a whole lot simpler than "svn switch NEWREPOURL" **

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: we were discussing #2782 last night

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wagnerrp:

none of us could really come up with a proper scaling parameter

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skd5aner:

any reason why when I have a recording, and I select Delete and allow re-record, that it doesn't forget the previous recording and doesn't re-record? I'm noticing this on .23-fixes

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: it wont record something matching that is on right now, if thats what youre referring to

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skd5aner:

If I say delete and re-record, then go into the upcoming episodes screen, I still get a P on the episodes when they re-air, and I've got to select them and say "forget previous" for it to allow it to re-record

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: Nope, I mean – at all

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wagnerrp:

huh... not noticed that

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yea, It's definitely happening on any recording I've tried it on – and it may have happened for a while, I just don't usually have to use that feature and when I do I never go and check to see if it's rescheduled it or not, I just assume it will

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skd5aner:

I know in the "past" (i.e., sometime in past, like <0.23) that it worked

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wagnerrp:

i know ive used it successfully in 0.23

[14:13:15]

skd5aner:

but it definitely is borked now for me

[14:13:46]

skd5aner:

Since it's so close to release, I don't know if it's worth doing anything about until I test with 0.24

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skd5aner:

what do you think? I mean, something isn't right...

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wagnerrp:

i can test it out if you want, FX has been repeating two and a half men a lot, so plenty of chances to try

[14:18:11]

skd5aner:

yea, that'd be good... actually, FX is one of the networks I needed to re-record on, not that it matters

[14:18:42]

skd5aner:

My STB went wonky and got stuck on a channel that went offline, so missed about 6 recordings via the HD-PVR over a few days span

[14:18:43]

wagnerrp:

ok, one running in 5 hours

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wagnerrp:

ill delete it afterwards, and see if it reschedules

[14:18:59]

skd5aner:

cool, thank you sir

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marc-us-tx:

wagnerrp: What is the recording setting? Record any time on channel?

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wagnerrp:

marc-us-tx: ?

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marc-us-tx:

your missed recording due to the cable box

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marc-us-tx:

recording(s)

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wagnerrp:

i dont use cable boxes

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marc-us-tx:

Crud, sorry I reading from a eeepc 701 and missed that it was skd5aner

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marc-us-tx:

tiny text

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wagnerrp:

get better eyes

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marc-us-tx:

skd5aner: I was going to say that my cable provider's box does this at maddingly random times

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wagnerrp:

marc-us-tx: its independent of the cable box anyway

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wagnerrp:

the cable box doesnt factor in until you actually try to record

[14:26:17]

wagnerrp:

the scheduler isnt behaving properly

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marc-us-tx:

wagnerrp: Can't spoon em out of somebody without getting in trouble (better eye) Perhaps a newer netbook with larger screen no?s

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marc-us-tx:

wagnerrp: While that may be, I was courious as to his recording preferences as I have had misreccords, albiet for a different reason, and have found a setting that helps me re-record the missed show. I wonder if he did the same

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marc-us-tx:

Thus my questio

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marc-us-tx:

I think this keyboard is going ... the m and n keys don't always work...

[14:31:31]

marc-us-tx:

Frustrating

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marc-us-tx:

skd5aner: So, I guess I won't find out then

[14:38:05]

marc-us-tx:

skd5aner: That's ok then

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marc-us-tx:

Sorry to be a drag... laters

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dewman:

when my keyboard starts acting up i put it in the dishwasher..... =)

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skd5aner:

and I guess marc-us-tx left before I could answer – oh well

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skd5aner:

either way, pretty standard, record at any time/any channel

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skd5aner:

I believe

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skd5aner:

only other option would be that it might be record at any time on this channel

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: out of curiousity, are you recording the two and a half men for the first time in a few hours, or did you already have one you could delete that is re-airing in a few hours?

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wagnerrp:

seems caprica got cancelled

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wagnerrp:

it was an episode already recorded, and i 'forgot recording'

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skd5aner:

within the watch recordings menu, "delete and allow re-record"?

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skd5aner:

or did you select "forget previous recording"

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skd5aner:

Because, when i explicitely tell it to forget previous recording, it works

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wagnerrp:

it was not an existing recording

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skd5aner:

but if I just hit "D" on a recording, and select delete and allow re-record, it doesn't forget

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skd5aner:

yea, then it'll probably work for you – different scenario than what I'm seeing

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wagnerrp:

im recording it in a couple hours, and then ill 'delete and rerecord' and see if it picks up another

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wagnerrp:

is this from the UI or mythweb?

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skd5aner:

Ah, ok I see now, got to stage something

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skd5aner:

UI

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/25364

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skd5aner:

Similiar, but not the same problem – these were not in-process recordings

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skd5aner:

But I wonder if that might have impacted what I'm seeing

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skd5aner:

so, the next airing of that recording is at 5, do you know if there's another later airing of the same episode to compare against?

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wagnerrp:

five hours (four now)

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wagnerrp:

and theres three other recordings of the same episode in the next two weeks

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skd5aner:

k, so that'll be the first recording, gotcha

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skd5aner:

10–4

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skd5aner:

then, after you delete and allow re-record, you can simply go into the recording rule, the schedule information, upcoming episodes and see if there's a P next to the re-airings or not – again, appreciate you trying to replicate it

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HypNoMadic:

Has anyone else noticed poor performance, tearing, etc.. with nVidia's 260.19.12 driver?

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: with the talk of splitting the backend up into more manageable chunks, should one of the goals of the jobqueue rewrite be removing it from the backend?

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wagnerrp:

have the scheduler exist in the MBE

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wagnerrp:

but the actual running of jobs handled by an external process

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Beirdo:

gonna try something

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v MythLogBot

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Beirdo:

iiiinteresting

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wagnerrp:

?

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Beirdo:

if I tell it to add a new server, it craps its pants

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Beirdo:

double free somewhere

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Beirdo:

wanted to see if this was just in my test setup or not

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Beirdo:

it's not. :(

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wagnerrp:

i created this cool new patch that adds partial transparency to subtitle rendering

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wagnerrp:

but instead of opening a ticket on trac, posting it, and trying to get it committed

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wagnerrp:

im instead going to send it to the mailing list

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

some people are lame

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats the right way to do it

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iamlindoro:

!trout MythLogBot stability

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** MythLogBot slaps MythLogBot with a stability trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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Beirdo:

heh

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iamlindoro:

oh, no self-infliction of damage

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Beirdo:

It's still off sending notices

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iamlindoro:

heh

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Beirdo:

your trouting has been queued

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iamlindoro:

It'll beat itself when it least expects it

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Beirdo:

yup :)

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Beirdo:

I went to add a new server on a test bot on my devel box... BOOM

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Beirdo:

so I wanted to see if it was a recent change or an old one

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Beirdo:

seems it was an old one :(

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Beirdo:

I completely redid the linkage to clucene last night

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skd5aner:

irony in all of that

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Beirdo:

the problem is... the curses menus are complex buggers

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Beirdo:

add channel... works fine

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Beirdo:

add server... kaBOOM

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Beirdo:

hmmm, wonder if valgrind will identify the issue for me

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Beirdo:

but the good thing is... I have a devel box I can repeatedly break it on

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Beirdo:

curse you, heisenbug!

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Beirdo:

run it under valgrind, no crash

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Beirdo:

however it did log a bunch of "invalid write" in that code

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Beirdo:

seems I am writing past the end of the allocated memory. That's a paddlin

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HypNoMadic:

ok just upgrade from the last 23-fixes to 24 and I'm liking it, well done gents!

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HypNoMadic:

*upgraded*

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HypNoMadic:

could be my imagination but it seems snappier and more responsive

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wagnerrp:

'the last 23-fixes'?

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wagnerrp:

the 0.23-fixes branch wont officially be closed until 0.24 is released

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sid3windr:

'24' ?

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wagnerrp:

and even then there still may be backports

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sid3windr:

:)

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HypNoMadic:

last svn co from yesterday

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Beirdo:

from what branch?

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wagnerrp:

presumably branches/release-0-23-fixes

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HypNoMadic:

http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-23-fixes

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wagnerrp:

speaking of which

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Beirdo:

that's not 0.24

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HypNoMadic:

ugh jezuz crepes

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: we never ended up with an RC2 on monday, do you know if were still on track for release on the 1st?

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HypNoMadic:

I'm trying to compliment you guys and you just want to start a fight like usual

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Beirdo:

if you want 0.24 (in release candidate form), you need release-0-24-fixes

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Beirdo:

not starting a fight, just letting you know :)

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wagnerrp:

HypNoMadic: no, just a bit of pedantry... :P

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Beirdo:

bwe tend to get like that at times

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kormoc:

HypNoMadic, the point is 0.23-fixes is not 0.24, does not contain the new -trunk features

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I am guessing we'll be a week off from that

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HypNoMadic:

roger that, I went from branches/release-0-23-fixes to branches/release-0-24-fixes, audio is working great

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kormoc:

Am I the only one with hard frontend crashes?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I plan to throw down the gauntlet re: RC2 tomorrow on -developers, then see what gets done over the weekend

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Beirdo:

kormoc: ouch! Haven't seen that myself

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Beirdo:

what triggers it?

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kormoc:

Beirdo, if you delete a recording while a pixmap is being generated, it dies

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: no, but to be honest, im a couple weeks back on my build

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Beirdo:

hmmm, can't say I've tried that :)

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wagnerrp:

and that kills the frontend?

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kormoc:

yes

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Beirdo:

that's a paddlin... we'd better get that fixed

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wagnerrp:

some issue with teardown while its receiving image data?

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: anyway to tell if many folks have downloaded and installed RC1?

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: no way to know

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kormoc:

it seems to try to update the (now missing) pixmap in the recording list once the pixmap finishes generating and thus crashes hard

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wagnerrp:

osuosl doesnt keep those numbers?

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HypNoMadic:

kormoc: I did have hard frontend crashes when mythfrontend came up with LXDE/autostart, so I launched it from an xterm and was then prompted to upgrade the db, after that it seemed happy to start with LXDE/autostart

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iamlindoro:

Yes, it's not checking that the buttonitem still exists before trying to update it-- used to have similar crashes in MNV with its thumbnail downloader thread, should be easily fixed

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: figured that'd be the case – just curious how big the "test audience" was to coorelate to additional bug reports

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: They might, but we don't have access to them in any formalized capacity

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Beirdo:

ooooh, I see my issue

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Beirdo:

it's paginating incorrectly if the buttons are on the last line of the page

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: I have a feeling I know exactly where the issue is, but if you can get a BT I am happy to try to fix, should be fairly simple

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k_ross:

i was also getting frontend crashes, at random times, sometimes just navigating through the menus. i was going to attach gdb and figure out what was causing it, but my wife was freaking out, so i had to revert to 23-fixes

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, I'll try to grab one tonight for ya

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iamlindoro:

k_ross: your issue sounds more like library cruft from old versions, but if it's a real bug, it'll never get fixed without tickets and backtraces

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k_ross:

i agree that is certainly possible.

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: OK. I'm out most of the evening but I suspect it's just a missing NULL check and the BT will find it for me faster than me hunting through daniels previewgen code ;)

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k_ross:

also, i just recently discovered checkinstall. that utility is so cool!

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k_ross:

this weekend i'll have time to try trunk again, and get backtraces of any crashes.

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: heh, so now there's a DVD2Blu

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iamlindoro:

$4.95 each

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** iamlindoro has a LOT of DVDs that would benefit from this **

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wagnerrp:

for WB stuff still?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

http://www.dvd2blu.com/products.html

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iamlindoro:

unfortunately I don't have all that many WB discs

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ive got next to none

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iamlindoro:

Still, it's a nice idea... wish it would catch on, though I know it'll likely only ever be WB

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RyeBrye:

"The DVDs can contain film, TV, sports, animation or documentary content and can be from Warner Bros. or non-Warner Bros. Blank or copied DVDs do not qualify."

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RyeBrye:

(for the ones you exchange)

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wagnerrp:

nearly all i had, i had already repurchased as HDDVDs, and gave the originals to my parents

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iamlindoro:

RyeBrye: You still can only *get* WB films back

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RyeBrye:

Oh, right

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wagnerrp:

you have to turn in the DVD? not just the insert?

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, real DVD this time

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stevieman:

not sure if this is the right place but it is in the mythtv wiki for mythgame. I have mame setup and I want to be able to exit mame with the remote. The wiki says to paste some code into /.lirc Does that mean I create a file called sdlmame and put that code there or do I put the code in the mythtv file?

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iamlindoro:

But RyeBrye is right, they changed the policy so now you can trade pretty much *anything* for movies on the list

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iamlindoro:

which may make it more attractive if there's anything on the list of 105 titles you want

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wagnerrp:

i guess the idea is that DVD is still a viable tech, and you can still buy players for it

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** skd5aner starts to pack for the March to Keep Fear Alive rally.... mwhahahahaha **

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, just go get some crappy $1 video from the bargain bin at walmart and then trade it in for $7 for the bluray

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wagnerrp:

they dont want to you giving your exchanged DVDs to someone else

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iamlindoro:

Heh, "(excluding adult content)"

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iamlindoro:

Why would I want to give those away anyway?

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, when they get too sticky to play in the player anymore?

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skd5aner:

nasty

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i see like four movies there i would want to do

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wagnerrp:

including both mine and my parent's

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kormoc:

there's 8 I would take

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wagnerrp:

i really need to get a mythfrontend set up in my parent's motorhome, so they no longer have to bring their DVDs along

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wagnerrp:

(and more importantly, so they can use bluray)

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: haha

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** wagnerrp doesnt get it **

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skd5aner:

you wouldn't

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skd5aner:

and neither would I

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iamlindoro:

One of these days I'm going to need to re-rip my Blu-rays as BDMV folders... I've started doing it going forward, but there's a lot of content already there

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: I haven't gotten into the blu-ray stuff yet, but was planning to sometime after release... what is the best way to "rip"? I know menu support isn't there yet, but I'd like to make sure the rips are as close to a full disc-like experience for when support is eventually added.. all my DVDs are in ISO, for example

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wagnerrp:

as a BDMV or ISO

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iamlindoro:

not as an ISO

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wagnerrp:

no?

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iamlindoro:

since we can't do BD in ISO yet

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wagnerrp:

ah

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iamlindoro:

BDMV is best

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iamlindoro:

Basically, use your ripping tool of choice, and take the whole BDMV folder, which will be in the root dir, and move it into a directory with the movie title

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skd5aner:

Mind if I ask, "how"? Programatically, or dump, or what?

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iamlindoro:

ie, Lethal Weapon/BDMV

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iamlindoro:

Use AnyDVD HD in Windows for the easiest experience

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skd5aner:

cool

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iamlindoro:

There are some other options, but none as reliably guaranteed to work

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wagnerrp:

with AnyDVD, its basically a file copy

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wagnerrp:

since it mounts the disk as unencrypted

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wagnerrp:

with a translation layer

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iamlindoro:

yeah, for me I just drag and drop to my network mounted MythVideo share

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iamlindoro:

(with AnyDVD HD installed, that is)

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skd5aner:

cool deal

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skd5aner:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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skd5aner:

Will be fun to play with a few months from now

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iamlindoro:

preserving the BDMV folder will mean any future support for Menus, BD-J applications, etc. will all work as if it were the disc itself

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wagnerrp:

i dont know why you would buy a yearly license instead of a lifetime

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skd5aner:

for DVDs, I typically use a tool to compress most of the extra content, remove extra languages/audio tracks, etc – Any comparable functionality with AnyDVD HD (or otherwise)?

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wagnerrp:

i mean surely if youre ripping BR now, youre going to continue for the forseeable future

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iamlindoro:

no comparable functionality, but when you are ripping raw Blu-ray, you should be beyond caring about disc space

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skd5aner:

that way, I can keep the main title, menus, etc uncompressed, but save space by eliminating/compressing the remainder stuff I might never ever view/use (but is still there in case I do)

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iamlindoro:

You would be talking about saving maybe a GB or two on a 40 GB disc

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iamlindoro:

at that point, why bother?

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skd5aner:

yea, I suppose that's true – not much fat to trim at that point

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wagnerrp:

the only things that are going to come with large amounts of HD bonus content that may be worth downscaling, are going to have that on a second disk

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skd5aner:

what's the average size of a main movie title versus "the rest"?

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iamlindoro:

ls /MythMedia/movies/*.m2ts -alS

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iamlindoro:

Smallest for me is 17 GB, largest is 39 GB

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iamlindoro:

Those are main movies

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skd5aner:

cool, thanks for the real world example

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iamlindoro:

anything < 25 GB is going to come on a single layer disc, anything more will be a dual

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iamlindoro:

So the smallest example could have at most 8 GB of extra stuff (but doesn't, it's more like 1) and the largest could have at most 10

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skd5aner:

so – in order to get encrypted material to work – does one have to go through extra steps outside of what's distributed with mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

Detailed instructions on linked on the blu-ray wiki page

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skd5aner:

cool

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skd5aner:

I thought I checked a while back, but maybe I missed it or it wasn't detailed there yet

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iamlindoro:

Though intentionally not completely obvious

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iamlindoro:

If you read carefully, and pay attention when you're told to read outside content, you will succeed

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skd5aner:

yea, I've heard you hint at that before

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skd5aner:

any other media players that'll be this far along with bd playback in *nix as mythtv will be when 0.24 is released? seems like you guys are really taking the lead here

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skd5aner:

I mean, I know they're third-party libraries – but from an integration standpoint it seems like you're moving almost in lockstep with the library itself

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iamlindoro:

We have the most advanced Linux Blu-ray playback (IMO)

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skd5aner:

three chears for that

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skd5aner:

cheers even

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iamlindoro:

Both most full featured, and actually best support for decryption

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** bjd chears **

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iamlindoro:

XBMC's next release is using an ancient copy of libbluray, ours is substantially more full featured, VLC and mplayer use a current, external copy but don't implement most features and disable decryption

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iamlindoro:

So ours is the only application that supports decryption period, and the only one with all the functionality offered by the API implemented

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: and then theres the xbmc+playon+windows vm abomination

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Heh, well I didn't feel the need to compare us to that, since there's no comparison :)

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stuartm:

so this is an annoying problem, dvb driver is loading before udev, but it depends on udev to load firmware – hence cards don't work after a reboot, cue lost recordings

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wagnerrp:

why does it seem like hacked up solutions such as that are the only ones that get press?

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stuartm:

because they spend more time on promotion and marketing than they do on developing/code work

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skd5aner:

because it involves windows?

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stuartm:

e.g. projects that do exactly zero original work can afford to spend 100% of their time selling their crap

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rhpot1991:

anyone happen to know what the default max recordings (multirec) is for HDHR?

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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iamlindoro:

rhpot1991: Default multirec value is 2 for all digital recorders

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Beirdo:

I should fix the DNS plugin to do IPv6 :)

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iamlindoro:

rhpot1991: default max for all is 5

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rhpot1991:

iamlindoro: thats what I thought wanted to make sure

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rhpot1991:

iamlindoro: any idea how risky it is to bump that to 3?

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iamlindoro:

rhpot1991: Should carry no risk

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rhpot1991:

risky as in I don't want to get bad recordings and be sad

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kormoc:

someone in Russia might lose an eye

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iamlindoro:

rhpot1991: Shouldn't be capable of causing bad recordings, anything up to the max should be doable without issue

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bjd:

Dimity won't mind

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rhpot1991:

iamlindoro: thanks I'll give it a try and see

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Ironhand:

is there a way to permanently set a certain A/V sync offset in the internal MythTV player?

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Ironhand:

rather than having to set it for every playback, that is

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skd5aner:

nope

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skd5aner:

it's been a feature request before

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Ironhand:

ok, thanks for the info (fairly annoying though :-( )

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skd5aner:

heh, sorry – just know I've seen the question asked a while back, I just don't think any of the developers have ever had the need to do that, so they haven't written the functionality

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skd5aner:

seems to be more of a rare occurance when the A/V sync is consistently off all the time

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Beirdo:

Ironhand: start making a patch :)

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kormoc:

you can file a bug report telling us what we are doing wrong to require that feature

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Ironhand:

I'm guessing it's consistently off b/c off the signal delay on my TV

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Ironhand:

*b/c of

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stuartm:

kormoc: it's not a bug, it tends to be people routing their audio through a chain of devices or with broken TVs who request the feature

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kormoc:

ahh

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Ironhand:

so that's pretty much what I'm looking to compensate for – any suggestions as to more straightforward solutions?

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iamlindoro:

If using a receiver, it should provide the ability to set an offset

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skd5aner:

route the audio through the TV too?

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Ironhand:

my receiver is analog only, I just get all 6 channels straight from the system's soundcard

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iamlindoro:

Receiver upgrade time!

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Ironhand:

and no offset feature there other than for the rear speakers

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stuartm:

I guess your tv doesn't support multi-channel audio output?

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Ironhand:

not in discrete analog channels no

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Ironhand:

and I'm not exactly eager to replace my receiver just b/c of this – guess I'll just have to teach my better half to use mplayer rather than mythtv :-P

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iamlindoro:

Guess so

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** iamlindoro responds poorly to the "I'll stop using your software" emotional blackmail **

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skd5aner:

it's a decent feature request, but no developer willing to work on it – it's just not a common enough issue and there are physical workarounds...

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Ironhand:

ehm, emotional blackmail? no need to get dramatic, it wasn't meant that way...

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: I'm not sure what makes it decent, since it's a broken configuration that necessitate's it's use

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Ironhand:

it's just simply the most practical approach given my situation

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: For my money, we would never add another setting for such a thing

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Ironhand:

though if there was no need for such a thing then the entire audio sync setting would be redundant...

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: eh, I can see it's merits – but understandable as to why it's not on anyone's TODO list

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skd5aner:

... and the additional seting doesn't help it's cause either

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Merely saying that it's not on anyone's to-do list ignores the fact that we don't want it

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kormoc:

yet we'll upmix mono 16khtz to 5.1 48khtz....

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Ironhand:

apologies if I said anything to offend – I certainly didn't mean to

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iamlindoro:

If someone wants to route audio through pc->receiver->toaster->splitter->combiner->HDCP stripper->HDCP Inserter->undersea conduit->TV, then the onus is on them to have equipment to compensate ;)

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skd5aner:

I would think that a TODO list would include wants and needs – so for it not to be on anyone's TODO list would be a clear sign that no one really wants it nor do they see a need for it :)

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skd5aner:

but, I'm agreeing with you

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: s/don't want/wouldn't accept/

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iamlindoro:

There have been at least two tickets opened in the past, with patches, which were rejected

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skd5aner:

yea – that's where I was recalling it from (although I didn't recall that patches were actually submitted)

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dewman:

I always wanted to try to get sound out of my toaster....hehehe.

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: that two and half men finish recording yet?

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dewman:

"toast is done!"

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skd5aner:

dewman: the fire alarm will let you know

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dewman:

skd5aner, lol....yes and it has in the past...

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skd5aner:

any easy way to do a count of changes applied directly to 0.24? It's not hard to find earliest and latest revision numbers, but several revisions obviously go to different branches

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Ironhand:

oh, just realized I can just use mplayer as myth's dvd player, that should do the trick I'm guessing...

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wagnerrp:

yeah, forgot all about that

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wagnerrp:

Ironhand: no, that is slated for removal

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Ironhand:

wagnerrp: why is that?

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skd5aner:

Ironhand: because the internal player can do all that external players can do and more and is easier to support

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wagnerrp:

because were moving everything to storage groups and the internal player

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: could run an "svn log" and count the headers

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wagnerrp:

the internal player allows a more uniform interface, and mplayer does not speak mythproto to allow for storage groups to work

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Ironhand:

wouldn't it make sense to at least support some more advanced settings for the internal player through config-file-only settings though?

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Ironhand:

as in my case it seems to just effectively reduce functionality

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wagnerrp:

we dont do config files though

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: I suppose it's still tricky, even with a manual method like that, because any branches that got merged back into trunk would count as 1 commit

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: But you asked about changes applied to .24

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iamlindoro:

and branch to which no merges will occur

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: so youre doing this from the UI?

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stuartm:

Ironhand: I'll look at supporting a universal audio offset for 0.25, no promises

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iamlindoro:

And .24 has only existed as a branch for a week and a half-- so counting the number of revisions is easy

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Ironhand:

stuartm: thanks, any serious consideration is appreciated

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yes sir... recording ends... move to the recording, hit D, then select "delete and allow re-record"...

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: then go to the recording rule, schedule info (I think that's what it's called) and upcomming episodes, and it's still marked with a "P" on the repeats

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iamlindoro:

stuartm: I'll fight tooth and nail against any setting like that. IMO only setting it from the OSD and having it persist (just as all the video playback settings should) should go in... but lord knows what MO is worth ;)

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: oddly enough --override-settings-file :)

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Ironhand:

having the setting persist would still work just as well for me...

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: such a stickler for wordsmithing ;) I guess I mean, how many changes will make up the 0.24 release :)

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: i know, i know...

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Then no, If you are going to be picky about branch merges, then there is no way to know easily

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wagnerrp:

you can also put such things in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt cant you?

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: that's still a setting :)

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stuartm:

I never said that it would appear as an option in the settings pages

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** iamlindoro grumbles **

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: works properly here

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skd5aner:

yea, the branch mergers make it a completely manual process I suppose – not worth the effort. Was just curious if there was a relatively straight-forward way of saying "0.24 contains #### of changesets"

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wagnerrp:

are you sure you gave it sufficient time to do a reschedule?

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: np, thanks for checking – I guess the question is – why does it happen to me every time

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: a day and a half

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: also, tested manually with a few recordings and did a mythbackend --resched

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: when I go into the upcoming episodes screen, and highlight the next showings markd with a "P" and select "forget previously recorded", it'll reschedule it properly within seconds as expected

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skd5aner:

but for whatever reason, I certainly can't get the "delete and allow re-record" to work anymore – it still marks the show as previously recorded

[21:00:19]

stuartm:

wagnerrp: I think in theory mysql.txt still works as a hangover from the old flat-file days, but I've never tried it or seen the code responsible for it

[21:01:00]

wagnerrp:

stuartm: i recall danielk saying he still used it for storage of some options

[21:02:13]

stuartm:

wagnerrp: he did, when I was talking about dropping mysql.txt last month

[21:02:26]

wagnerrp:

yeah

[21:03:45]

skd5aner:

any suggestions on what logs I might be able to produce to see what's going on when I delete a recording and try to get it to re-record?

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skd5aner:

I would imagine something would have to show what's going on...

[21:04:30]

stuartm:

just that to work it would have to leverage either the settings cache or overrides and both post-date the ditching of the flat file for mysql, I don't remember anyone hooking that up – not that I remember everything or read every commit to the last detail, if Daniel says it still works then I'll assume he's right :)

[21:13:13]

skd5aner:

is -v schedule an option for mythfrontend? It looks like it in help, but that doesn't make a lot of sense

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sphery:

kormoc is thinking about putting some mayo on his BLT

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JEDIDIAH__:

mayo is evil

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kormoc:

mayo is God

[21:14:56]

kormoc:

Second only to Bacon

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sphery:

it's only evil when you put it on hamburgers

[21:15:04]

sphery:

crazy Canadians

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JEDIDIAH__:

Canadians got nothing on Belgians.

[21:15:28]

JEDIDIAH__:

..in terms of evil.

[21:15:28]

kormoc:

There's a reason for that! It creates a liquid proof layer to keep the bun from getting soggy

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kormoc:

and mayo on fries is tasty tasty

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** JEDIDIAH__ shakes head **

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JEDIDIAH__:

at least tell me it's not that white industrialized stuff...

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kormoc:

Hellman's? Oh yeah!

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kormoc:

dude! There's nothing wrong with Hellman's, same recipe for over 100 years!

[21:18:05]

JEDIDIAH__:

you should make your own sometime... just for some perspective if nothing else.

[21:18:06]

iamlindoro:

Belgians (who invented fries) always eat them with mayo

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: as long as you dont start putting it on your burger

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iamlindoro:

figure since they invented the food itself, they have some knowledge about the condiment

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kormoc:

JEDIDIAH__, Ooh, I have many a time

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** JEDIDIAH__ hears the stand mixer calling him **

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I put it on my burger buns, so the burger is safe

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stuartm:

ditto

[21:19:35]

stuartm:

oddly enough, just today

[21:20:23]

sid3windr:

mm fries with mayo.

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** sid3windr (<- belgian) **

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Beirdo:

heheh

[21:21:26]

stuartm:

I prefer chips with my mayo

[21:21:26]

skd5aner:

http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/2009/10/16 . . . he-hizzouse/

[21:21:47]

kormoc:

"That's so ill" means it's good

[21:22:19]

kormoc:

Miracle Whip is ranch dressing without the ranch flavor, sick

[21:22:47]

sphery:

yeah, Miracle Whip... It's a Miracle it doesn't kill you faster.

[21:22:48]

skd5aner:

I like both Miracle Whipe and Mayo, depending on the dish

[21:22:57]

skd5aner:

er, whip

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sphery:

er, hhhwip

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sphery:

(Stewie)

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sid3windr:

chips? chips aren't made to be eaten with mayo

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kormoc:

Miracle Whippits!

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skd5aner:

what was that Stewie?

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sid3windr:

they're just chips.

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sid3windr:

did you mean fries? :P

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JEDIDIAH__:

isn't that camera an anachronism now?

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** JEDIDIAH__ ...so loves his PVR **

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skd5aner:

Some places have "Fry sauce" which is just a mixture of ketchup and mayo

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skd5aner:

pretty good

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** JEDIDIAH__ would hug it if not for that whole "electrocution" thing. **

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: i do that just because i dont want to open up a dozen tiny ketchup packets

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skd5aner:

I tend to do that whenever I get Chick-fil-a's waffle fries

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skd5aner:

great – now gdm won't launch grrrrrr

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stuartm:

sid3windr: you mean crisps?

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sid3windr:

stuartm: yes. :]

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kormoc:

the driving force behind America's independence, fries vs chips

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JEDIDIAH__:

...that and taxes./

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stuartm:

what's the betting that as they chanted "no taxation without representation" the outcome they really desired was to stop paying taxes and not to obtain seats in parliament? ;)

[21:31:49]

Beirdo:

guarantee that's what they wanted :)

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Beirdo:

didn't work too well over time, of course

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kormoc:

Well, you taxed Chips and then made us pay taxes on our fries and we were like, WTF? and you were like, Pay up yo! and we were like, Uhh, no man, no!

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skd5aner:

why? we never got a seat in parliament? ;)

[21:32:53]

Beirdo:

ummm, sure you did... in your own.

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: sounds like puerto rico

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JEDIDIAH__:

yup. being outvoted in parliment really wasn't on our agenda.

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Beirdo:

whaddya think Congress is?

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kormoc:

it's Congress, not Parliment

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Beirdo:

!trout wagnerrp troll

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** MythLogBot slaps wagnerrp with a troll trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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wagnerrp:

f-- statehood, we dont wanna pay taxes

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Beirdo:

nice try

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Beirdo:

you do realize Puerto Rico pays taxes, right?

[21:34:24]

Beirdo:

just not to the IRS

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wagnerrp:

i didnt think they paid federal

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kormoc:

They give out of kindness!

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Beirdo:

but the total tax ends up about the same as if they did

[21:34:57]

Beirdo:

there's no free ride to be had

[21:35:41]

Beirdo:

maybe if you are a native in a reserve in the US... but not for Puerto Ricans :)

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skd5aner:

Congress != Parliment... even though it uses parlimentary procedures

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sphery:

Beirdo: Edgar Winter Group will be surprised to hear that

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Beirdo:

and the reason most don't want statehood is... not taxes... wait for it...

[21:36:35]

Beirdo:

it's so they don't lose their identity

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Beirdo:

sphery: Edgar Winter Group can go pay my taxes I had to pay then. Screw them

[21:37:11]

skd5aner:

or that the US doesn't lose theirs either – probably a two way street, and both are happy

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JEDIDIAH__:

PR is not going to dilute the "US identity".

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sphery:

wonder if they should recall their song, Free Ride

[21:37:40]

JEDIDIAH__:

Mexico might. PR doesn't stand a chance.

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Beirdo:

the should :)

[21:37:58]

Beirdo:

PR has already diluted the US identity

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Beirdo:

go to parts of NYC if you don't agree

[21:38:19]

** skd5aner thinks of Seinfeld episode now **

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bjd:

no soup for you

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JEDIDIAH__:

NYC? Hasids probably "dilute the american identity" as much there.

[21:38:53]

JEDIDIAH__:

that and every other ethnic group on the planet.

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Beirdo:

depends on the part of town :)

[21:39:00]

Beirdo:

yeah.

[21:39:22]

Beirdo:

of course the "US identity" is hardly defined by NYC

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JEDIDIAH__:

NYC probably likes to think so though... same as angelinos.

[21:40:03]

Beirdo:

of course :)

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Beirdo:

and like Torontonians in Canada

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kormoc:

uhh

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kormoc:

I don't think of PR when I think of NYC

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Beirdo:

I guess you stay outta that large chunk of Harlem. :)

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stuartm:

since every other TV show or film is set in those cities it's certainly the identity that the US portrays abroad

[21:41:08]

Beirdo:

probably wise

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kormoc:

Beirdo, I lived in Jamaica, NYC for awhile, so no, I went to Harlem to get to a nicer part of town

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** Beirdo shudders at the thought **

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bjd:

heh

[21:42:12]

Beirdo:

right by JFK... gotta be the armpit of America :)

[21:42:21]

bjd:

Harlem is as bad as it gets?

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kormoc:

Nah, Harlem isn't so horrible these days

[21:43:07]

Beirdo:

getting more gentrified now? good :)

[21:44:26]

Beirdo:

hmmm, anyone know of a DNS entry with more than one AAAA record?

[21:46:08]

kormoc:

google.com?

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Beirdo:

no results

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Beirdo:

ipv6.google.com gives one

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Beirdo:

doing the reverse lookup will be a mess

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Beirdo:

14:44 <gjhurlbu> dig ipv6.google.com aaaa

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Beirdo:

14:44 <Beirdobot> ipv6.google.com AAAA: 2001:4860:B006::63

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Beirdo:

yay

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Beirdo:

at least forward works

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Beirdo:

14:45 <gjhurlbu> dig

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Beirdo:

1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.d.f.2.0.5.0.0.0.0.7.4.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa. ptr

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Beirdo:

14:45 <Beirdobot> 1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.d.f.2.0.5.0.0.0.0.7.4.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa. PTR: linode.ipv6.beirdo.ca

[21:49:58]

Beirdo:

as does reverse, but only if you do it out in full

[21:49:59]

Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

nasty

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sphery:

kind of like a git revision number

[21:50:36]

Beirdo:

I don't think I activated it on this bot

[21:50:40]

Beirdo:

!list

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

dunno why they decided to go nibble by nibble in the reverse

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Beirdo:

why not at least byte by byte...

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noaXess:

hey..

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noaXess:

i have a problem.. i get this error if i run mythfilldatabase:

[21:54:35]

noaXess:

http://tv.search.ch/programm/: cannot grab webpage http://tv.search.ch/programm/ (tried 2 times). giving up. sorry at /usr/bin/tv_grab_ch_search line 765.

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noaXess:

if i open the link in my prowser: The requested URL /programm/: was not found

[21:55:11]

noaXess:

is there any update in the tv_grab_ch_search?

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iamlindoro:

noaXess: We don't have any relationship with the XMLTV people, you should ask on their mailing list

[21:55:49]

noaXess:

iamlindoro: hey.. wasup.. :)

[21:55:55]

noaXess:

hm.. they have also a IRC channel?

[21:56:03]

iamlindoro:

maybe, don't know

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iamlindoro:

their mailing list is very active, though

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I give up trying to troubleshoot why this wont re-record... I'll test once 0.24 comes out and see if it's resolved itself

[21:57:30]

skd5aner:

logs didn't really show much

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, RE: #2782, yeah, different people will probably want different things. one of the reasons I've never implemented auto scaling besides the fact that the fixed # setting works fine for me. I even have it set back down to 1 now on 2 different machines so one core is available and one is for 'jobs'.

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Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: auto-scaling could still be subject to a max

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Beirdo:

the fixed max works well for me though

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noaXess:

iamlindoro: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tv.xmltv.general/3119

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, RE: splitting jobqueue out... do you mean like 'mythjobqueue'? :) I haven't given it much thought, but having the jobs handled by mythjobqueue and the scheduling handled by the MBE makes sense.

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, im just talking about removing the jobqueue from the backend, and leaving only mythjobqueue

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sphery:

+1 on pulling all jobqueue functionality from mythbackend

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Beirdo:

how would we start that up? Yet another startup script, or fork/exec from the backend?

[22:16:12]

sphery:

we had one user on the list saying he runs mythbackend set to not run jobs on that host and runs mythjobqueue using a LocalHostName override to allow him to set an ionice for mythjobqueue

[22:16:23]

sphery:

fork/exec from backend

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Beirdo:

OK. :)

[22:17:02]

sphery:

I'd like to see it so that you start a program that's nothing more than a "status monitor and application runner" for MythTV non-frontend functionality

[22:17:05]

Beirdo:

of course, you can run it standalone, I guess

[22:17:39]

Beirdo:

I think that's called "mythbackend" "_)

[22:18:12]

Beirdo:

of course, we shall see what we come up with for the future naming

[22:18:30]

sphery:

so init script runs mythbackend, then mythbackend start mythjobqueue--if it's configured to run on that host--and mythcapture (or whatever)--if there are capture cards configured--and mythscheduler--if it's the master backend/scheduler, etc.

[22:18:53]

sphery:

yeah, naming is the big challenge :)

[22:19:09]

Beirdo:

and mythreformat for those who like to wipe their machines daily?

[22:19:14]

sphery:

heh

[22:19:18]

** iamlindoro is tired of mythprefix **

[22:19:29]

sphery:

what should we use?

[22:19:34]

Beirdo:

it's staying unless we come up with something better

[22:19:35]

sphery:

mythtv?

[22:19:42]

sphery:

I'm all for changing to mythtv prefix

[22:19:55]

sphery:

mythtvbackend, mythtvjobqueue, ...

[22:19:59]

Beirdo:

I don't want to have processes splattered all over the system that we can't easily trace to mythtv

[22:20:00]

sphery:

who needs to save 2 characters

[22:20:09]

Beirdo:

mythtv is a good prefix, yeah :)

[22:20:10]

iamlindoro:

For core functionalities, mythtv_name works as an executable... for plugins, we should write a few that don't contain myth at all

[22:20:29]

iamlindoro:

Because MythVideo/MythGallery/etc. is dumb as hell

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sphery:

yeah, plugins I don't care about, but core mythtv should have some prefix or indicator making it easy to grep

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iamlindoro:

I just don't like that for lack of any better thing to name something, we just glom myth onto it

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sphery:

we could call it XBMCVideo

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iamlindoro:

That includes executables, plugins, functions, etc.

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Beirdo:

yeah, any process names should be easily identifiable. Plugin names... meh

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sphery:

:)

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Beirdo:

executables are the one thing I'd fight to keep this way (maybe renamed to mythtv instead of myth). the rest, who cares :)

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iamlindoro:

ie, and this is one example (because at least we recently improved from "NuppelVideoPlayer") "MythPlayer"

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iamlindoro:

there's no reason the class needs to be MythPlayer rather than VideoPlayer, or PlayerCore, or whatever

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sphery:

changing the prefix to the official/proper mythtv for executables would make sense when we split things up--since it will likely require changes to init scripts (unless we keep the name mythbackend for compatibility with old scripts)

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

agreed

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iamlindoro:

there are hundreds, if not thousands of similar classes and functions in the myth code

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, yeah, removing current jobqueue from the backend is about 3 lines of code removed. adding back in a scheduler should probably be a *.cpp and *.h in programs/mythbackend/

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: yeah, it's silly, isn't it. I think namespaces could be a good plan, but they get tiresome too

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iamlindoro:

And note that I am as guilty of it as anyone, I wrote a plugin with that convention, and many many classes and functions

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sphery:

yeah... we have a namespace mess, right now, so going to real namespaces would be a bit of work

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iamlindoro:

but mostly out of following procedure

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sphery:

not that it wouldn't be worth it

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** Beirdo slaps CLucene for overdoing namespaces **

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Captain_Murdoch:

beirdo, yeah, even auto would have a max as a safety. if I was more interested in #2782, I'd have tested it already, but since the original poster an no one else tested my updated patch I wasn't jumping to get the feature in. :)

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Beirdo:

lucene::util::blah()

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Beirdo:

bite me

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Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, as can be seen by the ticket number :)

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HypNoMadic:

How does one change the audio track in MythVideo in .24? I don't see it with "M" and audio

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sphery:

Beirdo: well, you can't blame the CLucene guys... They took an elegant Java app and tried to implement it in C. That's like taking the Mona Lisa and trying to reproduce it with finger paint.

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iamlindoro:

HypNoMadic: If there is no audio option in the OSD menu, then there's only one audio track

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sphery:

(actually, I have never looked at the Lucene Java code, so it may be as ugly as, say, Tomcat code)

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iamlindoro:

Since that's exactly how you change it

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Beirdo:

sphery: a not-so-elegant, maybe :)

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sphery:

Where Tomcat is a C application that's compiled/run in Java

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, I like the idea of the simple slimmed down status monitor / app runner, with 'helper' apps for the real work. it's the *nix way.

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Beirdo:

and java.. never mind

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HypNoMadic:

iamlindoro: k thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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** Captain_Murdoch is caught up now. **

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, and will allow us to auto-restart things, etc.

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Captain_Murdoch:

yep

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sphery:

we could call it MythHyperVisor ;)

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** Beirdo mythtrouts sphery **

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** sphery deserved that **

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** iamlindoro renames MythLogBot to mythtv_logbot **

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Beirdo:

hah

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Beirdo:

:)

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sphery:

the one thing I"m not sold on is the _ ...

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sphery:

_ is evil

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Captain_Murdoch:

ditto

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sphery:

mythtvbackend would work for me

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Captain_Murdoch:

hates using shift key when typing the name of a program

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sphery:

mythtv-backend in a pinch--but it seems too windows to me

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Beirdo:

_ can be evil. I go back and forth on _ vs CamelCase etc

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Beirdo:

mythtv-backend can work too

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Beirdo:

no shift :)

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sphery:

yeah, I generally dislike any non-alpha characters in app names

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sphery:

easier to reach alpha from home keys

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Beirdo:

what, you don't want a space in the binary name? :)

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Beirdo:

oh that would so screw people over

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sphery:

Beirdo: I've heard that _ doesn't even exist on some keyboards--like the Greek keyboard

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Beirdo:

heheh

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sphery:

Beirdo: heh, I will admit space bar is one of the easiest keys to reach from home keys, but I don't want it in my app name, either :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah... surely it should be mythtv\ logbot

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Beirdo:

they can buy a US English keyboard :)

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Beirdo:

oooh, or a & in the name

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Beirdo:

that will hose people

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Beirdo:

or :

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iamlindoro:

MythTV:TheBackend

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sphery:

if we call it "security", they'll like it

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iamlindoro:

MythTV:TheLunchBox

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Beirdo:

just watch Windows barf

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iamlindoro:

MythTV:TheFlamethrower

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sphery:

heh, got the title/subtitle kind of thing going on--very appropriate for MythTV

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: it's its own best friend

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Beirdo:

MythTV:TheNerdsRevenge

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iamlindoro:

I am starting a band called "The Backend, the LunchBox, the Flamethrower"

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Beirdo:

we could make it really confusing. make the subprocesses be like

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Beirdo:

mythtv-sub1

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Beirdo:

mythtv-sub2

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AndyCap:

just call it :(){:|:&};:TV ?

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Beirdo:

and then not tell anyone what they are

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Beirdo:

hey, that almost looks like it might be MythProto

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sphery:

AndyCap: for the prefix: |\/|`;+|-|+\/

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sphery:

that would be fun to shell-escape :)

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sphery:

(and if you squint just right, it makes sense)

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Beirdo:

guh!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

OMG, I feel like I got run over by a truck or something

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Beirdo:

curse these afternoons... I think I need coffee

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

It's already evening. I don't know what you're complaining about.

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Beirdo:

not on this coast, it ain't

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sphery:

not my fault that you all sleep in way too late

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sphery:

getting up at like 9:00am or whatever

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

you got a problem with that?

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Beirdo:

#9109... let's hope he can get me an actual recording to poke at

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Beirdo:

dd'ing off the top of the file may not always show the same behavior as a complete recording for crap like that, so I want a short recording, and the seek table dump

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wagnerrp:

arst: see 'mysqlrepair'

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sphery:

or mysqlcheck -r if your distro doesn't give you the mysqlrepair link

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k-man:

when i do a ./configure in the mythtv source dir, it says it's not going to build the bindings_python – how do i enable that?

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wagnerrp:

k-man: scroll up, configure has told you what youre missing

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sphery:

k-man: above the configure output it should tell you which prerequisites you're missing

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k-man:

oh – i did look before but somehow missed that message, thanks :)

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arst:

FYI: Hi, when running mythconverg_backup.pl I get an error: "mysqldump: Got error: 144: Table './mythconverg/upnpmedia' is marked as crashed and last (automatic?) repair failed when using LOCK TABLES." To fix this I did: "mysqlrepair -u mythtv -p mythconverg upnpmedia". Thanks wagnerrp!

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Beirdo:

will be even easier after I dump that table :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

going to run off videometadata then?

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Beirdo:

that was the plan

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Beirdo:

#8801 has partial support for that already

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Beirdo:

(partial and operational as best as I can tell)

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wagnerrp:

might want to talk to iamlindoro about getting a scanner set up in the backend

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Beirdo:

I've been running with that patch in place for a while

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wagnerrp:

most of the code should already be there

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

that's what we were planning to complete that

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wagnerrp:

wasnt the specific reason for not using that table in the first place so you didnt have to run a frontend to do the scans?

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Beirdo:

then it got punted from 0.24, and we've left it for a while, we can revisit later

[23:21:45]

Beirdo:

yeah, pretty much

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Beirdo:

but now that it's all SG-based...

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wagnerrp:

well it should be easier now that that code is all in the core libs

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Beirdo:

exactly

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sound_helper:

Hey Guys, my audio is randomly stopping while watching recordings or live TV I recently upgraded to the newest versyion of Mythbuntu using built in upgrade feature. If I restart the recording, audio works, until it randomly stops again. Looking at mythfrontend logs I see "WriteAudio: buffer underrun" a few times before audio cuts out. Tried fixes here, don't seem to make a difference. It's an older machine, but even r

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sound_helper:

Link http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Pr . . . Audio_Issues

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wagnerrp:

are you actually using mythbuntu? or ubuntu with the mythbuntu packages?

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wagnerrp:

what CPU? what are you trying to play?

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sound_helper:

Mythbuntu.

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sound_helper:

Sorry I'm fairly new to linux, or rather I'm old to it, but don't know how to use a lot of the features. How do I find out the CPU I'm using?

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wagnerrp:

its generally the one you purchased and installed in your PC

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wagnerrp:

try looking in /proc/cpuinfo

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sound_helper:

LOL, it's my wife's old computer. Hold one let me figure it out.

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wagnerrp:

it should list a model name and clock rate

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Beirdo:

lscpu seems to do something for me too :)

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sound_helper:

Ok no laughing it is Pentium 4 1.3 GHz, but has always run everything fine. The recrodings I'm watching are from a PVR-150, Standard Def.

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wagnerrp:

any P4 should have no trouble with PVR-150 output

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sound_helper:

wang That is comforting to know.

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wagnerrp:

unless it hasnt been cleaned out since you purchased it

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Beirdo:

hhehehe

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wagnerrp:

in which case the heatsink may be encased in dust and hair

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** Beirdo laughs, scaring those in cubicles near him **

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wagnerrp:

and the processor is downclocking to protect itself

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sound_helper:

No it's been cleaned out, although not very very recently. There is no stutttering at all on the playback it continues to play.

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sound_helper:

Just no audio.

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sound_helper:

Is it something that is fixable, or am I just basically screwed?

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