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| [00:43:49] | wagnerrp: | awfully quiet |
| [00:44:25] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [00:45:01] | wagnerrp: | today sucked |
| [00:45:06] | wagnerrp: | life is boring without electricity |
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| [00:50:32] | lwizardl: | hi |
| [00:51:15] | wagnerrp: | im seriously unimpressed by the performance of those UPSs |
| [00:51:30] | wagnerrp: | 1250VA supply |
| [00:51:44] | wagnerrp: | supposed to run 500W for 20min |
| [00:51:56] | wagnerrp: | a 20W load kills it in just over 2 hours |
| [00:52:58] | Beirdo: | yuck |
| [00:52:59] | k-man: | in arclight theme, in the setup menu, the "appearance" menu item says "pick the theme, font, size, and locale" but theme choosing is now in its own menu |
| [00:53:13] | wagnerrp: | i really need to figure out why i cant get NUT working |
| [00:53:19] | wagnerrp: | it used to work... just randomly stopped |
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| [00:53:31] | k-man: | what us NUT? |
| [00:53:49] | Beirdo: | k-man: I reported that a while back. I think that's a string or something |
| [00:53:50] | wagnerrp: | network ups tools |
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| [00:54:02] | k-man: | Beirdo: ok, just as long as its been reports |
| [00:54:04] | k-man: | reported |
| [00:54:31] | lwizardl: | I was wondering if I could use mythtv for this. I want to setup a video system to playback trailers randomly. from directories I have set |
| [00:55:26] | wagnerrp: | yes, you can store trailers for any videos you have in mythvideo, and there is an option to randomly play one before starting normal playback |
| [00:55:42] | iamlindoro: | s/one/a user specified number/ |
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| [00:56:32] | lwizardl: | cool |
| [00:56:34] | k-man: | is there some way to tell mythtv to default to auto-fill being off rather than auto detect in the dvd player? |
| [00:57:04] | k-man: | wagnerrp: oh, that sounds cool |
| [00:57:21] | k-man: | where does one download the trailers from? |
| [00:57:23] | wagnerrp: | k-man: the playback mode in dvd playback is just going to be the same as anywhere else |
| [00:57:36] | wagnerrp: | k-man: usually from the DVD/HDDVD/BR |
| [00:59:52] | lwizardl: | because what i am looking to do it take a mythtv frontend to display video game & movie trailers auto start after like 3 mins of inactive use. |
| [00:59:57] | kormoc: | Beirdo, did you leave work already? |
| [01:00:08] | lwizardl: | k-man, I get my video game trailers from gamertrailers.com |
| [01:02:06] | wagnerrp: | lwizardl: the system doesnt take arbitrary trailers, right now they must be mapped to an existing video |
| [01:02:17] | wagnerrp: | so its really only set up to handle trailers for content you have in mythvideo |
| [01:03:10] | Beirdo: | kormoc: not yet |
| [01:03:31] | kormoc: | If you want to swing by and pick up the drives, they're ready |
| [01:03:34] | lwizardl: | wagnerrp, yeah I have tons of them downloaded to my computer and i plan to transfer then to the backend and use the front end to play them back |
| [01:04:07] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, that's not the sace |
| [01:04:08] | Beirdo: | Ah cool, will do |
| [01:04:09] | iamlindoro: | case |
| [01:04:36] | iamlindoro: | Mythvideo handles a one-to-one mapping of trailer to movie, as well as randomizing playback of a user-specified number of trailers before any playback |
| [01:05:18] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: right, im saying that it those trailers have to be mapped to a video, so its expecting the trailer is going to be /for/ the video |
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| [01:05:26] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [01:05:27] | wagnerrp: | you cant just point it at a folder of trailers and let it go |
| [01:05:34] | iamlindoro: | yes, you can |
| [01:05:37] | wagnerrp: | oh? |
| [01:05:40] | wagnerrp: | well... nevermind then |
| [01:05:47] | lwizardl: | that is what i'm looking to do |
| [01:05:57] | iamlindoro: | The trailer folder or storage group is randomized in the "play with trailers" option |
| [01:06:04] | lwizardl: | point it to a folder of like 600 trailers and let it play them randomly |
| [01:06:11] | k-man: | i must try that out, sounds good |
| [01:06:27] | k-man: | now to find a way of downloading random trailers |
| [01:06:30] | iamlindoro: | so if *all* you want is trailers, then set the number of trailers to whatever you want, point it at one trailer, and choose "play with trailers" |
| [01:06:32] | wagnerrp: | i figured it would pick a random trailer entry out of videometadata, not that it would pick a random file out of the Trailers group |
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| [01:06:41] | iamlindoro: | It does the latter |
| [01:07:08] | iamlindoro: | play trailer plays the trailer for *that* movie-- play with trailers randomizes the user specified number of trailers from the SG or folder |
| [01:07:25] | Beirdo: | well, I guess I might as well head out now. New drives are always a good thing :) |
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| [01:10:43] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, ok so what i do is set up the configuration to know where the trailers are at and how many trailers to play before a movie, and then select any trailer as the "video" I want to play ? |
| [01:11:01] | iamlindoro: | sort of |
| [01:11:21] | iamlindoro: | when you play it, you select the item, open the menu, choose "play..." then "play with trailers" |
| [01:11:36] | lwizardl: | ok |
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| [01:13:47] | k-man: | i finished watching deadwood last night |
| [01:14:02] | k-man: | now what am I going to watch? *sigh* |
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| [01:21:54] | kormoc: | k-man, Dexter |
| [01:23:04] | k-man: | yeah – i hear its good, but somehow it doesn;t appeal to me |
| [01:23:14] | dewman: | the three stooges.. |
| [01:23:26] | k-man: | i also have to convince my better half to watch it |
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| [01:28:29] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: any idea what could be causing an "SQL Error: Unknown table engine 'InnoDB'" in mythweb? |
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| [01:28:47] | wagnerrp: | been getting that ever since i brought my systems back up from the power failure earlier today |
| [01:29:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp: in new MySQL InnoDB is a plugin and it has to be enabled |
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| [01:29:19] | wagnerrp: | but nothing is new |
| [01:29:20] | sphery: | maybe a problem with that file? |
| [01:29:23] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, or innodb is crashed, check the mysql error logs |
| [01:29:37] | kormoc: | if innodb goes down hard, it refuses to load as an engine |
| [01:30:24] | sphery: | so you mean that crashed innodb tables may cause the innodb engine to not load? |
| [01:30:32] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [01:30:35] | sphery: | interesting |
| [01:30:45] | kormoc: | it does it to protect things as much as it can |
| [01:31:04] | sphery: | yeah, makes sense |
| [01:31:31] | sphery: | the myisam approach of load the engine and allow access to any and all tables except the crashed tables doesn't really help much\ |
| [01:31:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah, something complaining about the mythweather tables |
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| [01:32:48] | kormoc: | if you don't care, just wipe out all the innodb data and re-create it |
| [01:32:52] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/419174#419174 |
| [01:33:04] | kormoc: | (assuming weather is the only innodb table space you have) |
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| [01:33:29] | wagnerrp: | not sure why it would have been taken down hard |
| [01:33:36] | wagnerrp: | i shut that machine down properly |
| [01:34:06] | sphery: | funny, though, that weather issues caused you to lose mythweather tables? |
| [01:34:35] | wagnerrp: | oh the irony |
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| [01:38:27] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I have a question. |
| [01:38:41] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Is Mythnetvision in 0.24 ready to deprecate MiroBridge? |
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| [01:40:49] | wagnerrp: | no, there are currently no miro grabbers for MNV |
| [01:42:32] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I don't want a Miro grabber |
| [01:42:44] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I want to grab RSS feeds on the backend and play them on the frontends. |
| [01:43:05] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I wasn't sure from the release notes is the backend download work is fully implemented. |
| [01:43:06] | wagnerrp: | yes, MNV can do that |
| [01:43:24] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | So, I can have the downloads happen when the frontends are both off? |
| [01:43:31] | wagnerrp: | im not aware of the current status of 'download mode' |
| [01:43:37] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Ok |
| [01:43:42] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | That was what I was curious about. |
| [01:44:05] | wagnerrp: | but rss feeds that open directly to web playback work fine |
| [01:45:34] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Ok |
| [01:50:07] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I'll have to see |
| [01:50:24] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I hate using Mirobridge because it isn't integrated. hoping to dump it as soon as there is something better |
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| [03:07:21] | oobe: | lol imdb is linking to a poster on tmdb |
| [03:12:22] | wagnerrp: | got a link? |
| [03:15:19] | oobe: | here http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2994314240/tt0204350 |
| [03:15:32] | oobe: | i found out by using wget -rc http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2994314240/tt0204350 |
| [03:15:46] | oobe: | then opening the test to find the refering urls |
| [03:18:00] | oobe: | wiat that is the wrong one give me 2 secs |
| [03:18:27] | wagnerrp: | doesnt tmdb have something in there that the data is not to be reused for commercial purposes? |
| [03:19:14] | oobe: | lol sorry i made a mistake |
| [03:19:40] | oobe: | looking thru my history i accidently opened a tmdb url and got a little confuzled |
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| [03:33:46] | oobe: | i made the fan art for this just with google image search results havent watched it yet http://www.themoviedb.org/movie/46467 |
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| [03:38:57] | k_ross: | good evening everyone. i seem to be having a problem with playback skipping frames since i switched to trunk from .23-fixes branch |
| [03:39:30] | k_ross: | when i log with -v playback, the "std. dev." statistic is around 5000, where it used to be around 50–100. that seems to me to not be good |
| [03:40:14] | k_ross: | any troubleshooting tips to try to figure out what's going on? |
| [03:47:19] | rhpot1991: | anyone happen to know the state of upnp in relation to the xbox 360? |
| [03:49:02] | wagnerrp: | i was under the impression that it required a special container that mythtv did not provide |
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| [03:53:06] | rhpot1991: | wagnerrp: I'm seeing that now, for some reason I was under the impression that it worked at some point, guess I was wrong |
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| [04:12:51] | wagnerrp: | WTF is wrong with anthony giggins |
| [04:14:01] | wagnerrp: | "my processor is hitting its emergency temperature thresholds and downclocking itself, how do i remove those thresholds so i can force it to destroy itself?' |
| [04:14:23] | wagnerrp: | crazy bastard |
| [04:15:00] | k_ross: | "90 seems excessive but 70 doesn't sound too bad" |
| [04:15:02] | k_ross: | :) |
| [04:15:49] | wagnerrp: | seriously... i get concerned if my peak temperatures top 60C |
| [04:15:55] | wagnerrp: | and hes content with idling at 70C |
| [04:16:40] | k_ross: | maybe he thinks that's degrees F and not C |
| [04:16:41] | k_ross: | lol |
| [04:18:08] | wagnerrp: | i know what he needs to do... |
| [04:18:26] | wagnerrp: | shut down the system, unplug everything |
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| [04:18:41] | wagnerrp: | put it up on a table, take the side panel off, look in side |
| [04:18:58] | wagnerrp: | throw the side panel away, throw the rest of the system away, buy a new friggen system |
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| [04:20:42] | k_ross: | lmao |
| [04:21:02] | [R]: | does anyone actually like stargate when they do that crap they did tonight? |
| [04:21:37] | wagnerrp: | should i just stop watching? im 10min in |
| [04:22:12] | k_ross: | BTW, i'm under the impression i don't need opengl vsync if i use vdpau, is that correct? |
| [04:22:12] | [R]: | its fine, just when they do the whole almost dying so you dream similar events thing, gets old |
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| [04:23:05] | k_ross: | as in: ./configure --enable-vdpau --disable-opengl-vsync |
| [04:24:37] | wagnerrp: | VDPAU is enabled by default |
| [04:24:49] | wagnerrp: | and you shouldnt disable things unless you need to |
| [04:24:50] | [R]: | k_ross: all that does is control wheter or not you can use the option in the frontend... its not like its going to hurt it by enabling it |
| [04:26:08] | k_ross: | i tend to disable everything i know i don't need, unless you think i shouldn't do that. if you say i shouldn't disable things, then okay i won't |
| [04:26:24] | [R]: | it just enables/disables a little code and removes the option from the frontend |
| [04:26:28] | [R]: | its not like it brings in 100 deps |
| [04:28:37] | k_ross: | my full configure line looks like: ./configure --disable-audio-oss --disable-audio-jack --disable-audio-pulse --disable-joystick-menu --enable-firewire --disable-iptv --disable-hdhomerun --enable-v4l --disable-ivtv --enable-hdpvr --disable-directfb --enable-vdpau --compile-type=debug --disable-opengl-video --disable-opengl-vsync --disable-xv --disable-xvmc |
| [04:29:08] | [R]: | you have pulseaudio lbis installed on your system? |
| [04:29:10] | [R]: | libs* |
| [04:29:28] | wagnerrp: | k_ross: anything you dont have will be disabled by configure automatically |
| [04:29:34] | wagnerrp: | anything you do have, it doesnt matter |
| [04:29:50] | wagnerrp: | may save you a few seconds building |
| [04:30:09] | k_ross: | yes i do |
| [04:30:38] | k_ross: | i rebuild a lot, so i try to get it as small and fast as i can |
| [04:30:48] | [R]: | thta's what she said |
| [04:30:49] | [R]: | haha |
| [04:30:52] | wagnerrp: | the gentoo method of controlling everything in a compile is not always the best |
| [04:30:53] | k_ross: | :P |
| [04:31:00] | wagnerrp: | and if you rebuild frequently, install ccache |
| [04:31:11] | k_ross: | it's installed |
| [04:32:07] | kormoc: | k_ross, customizing a configure line is best left up to folks who understand what they're doing |
| [04:32:18] | kormoc: | you disabled XV, opengl timing, and opengl video |
| [04:32:29] | [R]: | kormoc: that's DEFIANTLY what she said |
| [04:32:56] | kormoc: | So you want to use xshm (super slow), spin locks for frametiming (Let's eat cpu cycles for no reason!) and use the ugliest, cpu hungry overlays |
| [04:33:16] | [R]: | speaking of directfb... what does linking myth with it do? |
| [04:33:18] | [R]: | i assume not much |
| [04:33:20] | k_ross: | okay i won't do that :) |
| [04:33:26] | wagnerrp: | VDPAU is fine when it works, but you should always have a decent alternate |
| [04:33:46] | wagnerrp: | considering youve got a GPU capable of VDPAU, that alternate would be opengl |
| [04:33:56] | kormoc: | [R], it's a alternative output that bypasses a (full) X server, but it's deprecated and removed iirc? |
| [04:34:43] | [R]: | looks like its in 23's configure |
| [04:34:55] | kormoc: | doesn't mean it works :P |
| [04:34:58] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:35:04] | [R]: | i think i tried it once a long long time ago |
| [04:35:18] | [R]: | it would be sweet if i could get a frontend going w/o X |
| [04:35:43] | kormoc: | NotInternat, it really doesn't work well at all |
| [04:35:46] | kormoc: | *no |
| [04:36:03] | [R]: | hence why i said sweet |
| [04:36:04] | kormoc: | extremely limited resolution support (think VGA) |
| [04:36:12] | [R]: | not with dfb |
| [04:36:14] | [R]: | just in general |
| [04:36:32] | kormoc: | build a windows/os x frontend? they don't use X |
| [04:36:48] | [R]: | har har |
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| [04:46:24] | quaa: | Anyone have any idea why is it that when my DCH6200 cable box (controlled by firewire) gets an EAS message it gets stuck on the EAS channel and will never pull out of it? |
| [04:48:32] | quaa: | i am not using the firewire to record, i am using a HD-PVR with component. btw. |
| [04:49:26] | [R]: | cuz it sucks? |
| [04:51:04] | quaa: | I agree, not like I cant get that information online anyways. |
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| [04:52:39] | quaa: | but it's bad because my cable provider seems to do the EAS testing about once a week or every other week and my cable box gets stuck on the EAS channel until I notice it. and by then it alreay has tried to record 5 things. |
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| [05:18:10] | k-man: | is there some way to import channels into a dummy tuner? |
| [05:18:30] | kormoc: | no? |
| [05:19:10] | Shadow__X: | go get a real tuner |
| [05:19:58] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: im sure its only for development/testing |
| [05:20:34] | k-man: | it is |
| [05:20:50] | wagnerrp: | 'private' values are not inherited by a subclass, right? |
| [05:21:09] | Shadow__X: | well couldnt you just create a false tuner under /dev/ and just set that up under mythtv? |
| [05:21:43] | [R]: | is a false tuner the opposite of a true tuner? |
| [05:21:45] | wagnerrp: | that sounds more complex than just using a dummy tuner |
| [05:21:53] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: how goes? |
| [05:22:06] | wagnerrp: | just a conceptual question... |
| [05:22:15] | wagnerrp: | why would you want something to not be inherited? |
| [05:22:22] | kormoc: | [R], ln -s /sbin/false /dev/video0 |
| [05:22:22] | wagnerrp: | private vs. protected |
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| [05:22:35] | [R]: | so on a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 is kitties and 10 is the most evil one can be... how evil is it to use public memeber variables w/o getters and setters in an oop language? |
| [05:22:52] | kormoc: | IMHO 1 |
| [05:22:58] | Beirdo: | hmmm, there are bound to be reasons, but none I can come up with right off the top of my head |
| [05:22:59] | [R]: | kitties? :( |
| [05:23:19] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, scratch space that doesn't get hit by subclasses? |
| [05:23:34] | kormoc: | [R], just intercept the requests if you want/need to |
| [05:23:58] | Beirdo: | [R]: it's better control to use setter/getter, but not always necessary |
| [05:24:07] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: but if that scratch space were used by public/protected methods, and it werent inherited along with them |
| [05:24:11] | wagnerrp: | wouldnt that break things? |
| [05:24:38] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, depends on the specific language |
| [05:24:51] | ** Beirdo waits for the first rsync to finish ** | |
| [05:25:53] | k_ross: | wagnerrp: the fields and methods are inherited, just not accessible. the public/protected methods that access those private properties are still executing in the scope of the base class |
| [05:26:21] | wagnerrp: | ah, ok |
| [05:26:50] | wagnerrp: | so its basically for 'inner workings' that subclasses shouldnt be altering |
| [05:27:58] | k_ross: | right. otherwise, if there wasn't a private keyword, but only public and protected, if someone wanted access to the "inner workings", then they would just declare a new class with that class as its base class, and now everything is accessible. |
| [05:29:15] | k-man: | well adding channels manually works with a dummy tuner – its just a bit of a pain :) |
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| [05:36:44] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: anyway, its basically finished |
| [05:36:51] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [05:37:02] | wagnerrp: | i want to expand the constructors a bit |
| [05:37:23] | wagnerrp: | and i should probably clean up the variables to be more descriptive |
| [05:37:28] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [05:37:34] | Beirdo: | I like the way you think |
| [05:37:50] | wagnerrp: | and im sure its full of memory leaks |
| [05:38:01] | Beirdo: | I'll take a good look over it, etc |
| [05:38:18] | wagnerrp: | i basically do no 'free's now |
| [05:38:31] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what Qt is going to free on its own, and what needs to be done manually |
| [05:38:39] | Beirdo: | do you use new? |
| [05:38:58] | wagnerrp: | just one, to start the manager thread |
| [05:39:18] | wagnerrp: | and thats basically unchanged from the existing code |
| [05:39:49] | Beirdo: | k. that's the only thing that needs a delete. and as that thread basically is going to run until the program ends, it's a minor issue, the shutdown code will clean it up |
| [05:39:50] | wagnerrp: | im going to document it tonight, let it sit for a day or so, and re-read through it |
| [05:39:55] | wagnerrp: | see if i can figure out what i did |
| [05:39:55] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [05:40:28] | wagnerrp: | if i can understand it, and dont sit there thinking WTF did i do that, ill try to get it compiling and toss it over |
| [05:40:37] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [05:40:59] | wagnerrp: | right now, im leaving out the myth_system_wait and myth_system_abort calls |
| [05:41:03] | Beirdo: | I'm in no huge rush at this time, so your own pace is good :) |
| [05:41:18] | wagnerrp: | i figure the channel code can be rewritten to use the class properly, than the helper functions |
| [05:41:26] | wagnerrp: | especially since those helpers are only used in a single place |
| [05:41:38] | Beirdo: | well, we will need a way to get that functionality, but we can figure a better way to fit it in |
| [05:41:53] | Beirdo: | since its a major rework anyways. |
| [05:42:40] | wagnerrp: | reading through it, the only added functionality i can see there is that its a local management of the process, rather than relying on the reaper to close it on the timeout |
| [05:43:10] | Beirdo: | it wants to be able to abort differently |
| [05:43:28] | wagnerrp: | you should just be able to call MythSystem.Term(), and then let the reaper clean the rest of it up when it detects the closure |
| [05:43:40] | Beirdo: | if we can make it work in a way that doesn't break functionality, etc... even better |
| [05:44:21] | Beirdo: | yeah, we'll see what we can do, but you are likely on the right track |
| [05:44:44] | Beirdo: | the first redo I did was to as close to exactly keep functionality as possible |
| [05:45:02] | Beirdo: | since we are reworking, we can afford to rethink it to get the same end effect, etc |
| [05:45:36] | Beirdo: | jeez, my brain keeps dropping words |
| [05:47:00] | Beirdo: | anyways, yeah, let's ignore that for the time being, and then figure out how to rework that case after the rest is ready |
| [05:48:03] | Beirdo: | like by properly supporting timeouts as an option :) |
| [05:49:24] | wagnerrp: | you mean as opposed to just arbitrarily forcing it to 30 seconds? |
| [05:49:55] | Beirdo: | we should allow the caller to indicate how long the individual timeout is |
| [05:50:09] | wagnerrp: | for what activity? |
| [05:50:12] | Beirdo: | and default to never timing out (would duplicate current functionality) |
| [05:50:53] | Beirdo: | then the waiting for pid would need to implement a countdown on the timers and kill off any that are expired |
| [05:50:59] | wagnerrp: | right now, you create a MythSystem() taking either a command string, or an executable and argument list |
| [05:51:00] | Beirdo: | right in the manager thread |
| [05:51:20] | Beirdo: | yeah, you can add a timeout as well |
| [05:51:24] | wagnerrp: | then you MythSystem.Run() the thread, with an optional timeout to be how long before the reaper kills it |
| [05:51:35] | Beirdo: | right |
| [05:51:36] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [05:52:00] | wagnerrp: | then you can use MythSystem.Wait() to wait for the signal that the process has exited, optional with a timeout to exit early |
| [05:52:48] | wagnerrp: | the only difference between this and the old method is that the 'wait' call has a timeout independent of when the reaper should kill the process |
| [05:53:01] | Beirdo: | not sure that will always be necessary to be separate, but OK :) |
| [05:53:40] | Beirdo: | sounds reasonable, but I may have suggestions later when I look it over. |
| [05:53:49] | Beirdo: | sounding pretty good, actually |
| [05:54:09] | wagnerrp: | certainly, look forward to them |
| [05:55:17] | Beirdo: | there's just so much to get right, etc :) But, as I expected, it sounds like you've thought much of this through fairly well |
| [05:55:18] | wagnerrp: | yeah, as far as i can tell, the only reason ChannelBase is set up as it is, is so it can force a termination if it wants to tear down before the 30 second timeout is up |
| [05:55:40] | wagnerrp: | other than that, it uses the normal myth_system behavior |
| [05:55:48] | Beirdo: | well, normally, we didn't have a 30s timeout, I thought. |
| [05:55:59] | wagnerrp: | it simply duplicates the normal behavior (minus the windows stuff) |
| [05:56:04] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [05:56:33] | Beirdo: | it had basically nearly identical code which I refactored to use the same guts as myth_system |
| [05:56:38] | wagnerrp: | presumably any external channel changer would return before 30 seconds were up |
| [05:56:49] | Beirdo: | it can definitely use another rework |
| [06:00:27] | Beirdo: | I certainly wasn't happy to leave it forever as it was, so I'm glad that now there will be two of us who will know it intimately |
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| [06:01:17] | k-man: | the childish theme is pretty cool |
| [06:01:22] | Beirdo: | I can't wait for Nov 2 to be past |
| [06:01:28] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what youre talking about |
| [06:01:33] | wagnerrp: | im a blank slate after 3 months |
| [06:01:35] | Beirdo: | I'm so tired of these stupid political ads |
| [06:02:05] | Beirdo: | hehe, well, you'll know that chunk of code well enough for a while anyways :) |
| [06:02:29] | wagnerrp: | i cant tell you how many times ive looked back at old code and get completely lost |
| [06:02:59] | Beirdo: | heh, so do I sometimes. It's a good reason to comment stuff :) |
| [06:03:13] | wagnerrp: | partially because ive simply forgotten how it works, partially because ive significantly improved since then and cant figure out why i would have written something that way |
| [06:03:18] | k-man: | is there an option in mythtv to not hide the mouse cursor? |
| [06:03:27] | Beirdo: | heheeh, yeah |
| [06:03:37] | Beirdo: | sometimes it's a "WTF was I thinking!?" |
| [06:03:44] | wagnerrp: | k-man: yes, in mythfrontend settings |
| [06:03:55] | k-man: | wagnerrp: yeah, i was looking there |
| [06:04:24] | k-man: | couldn't see it |
| [06:04:25] | wagnerrp: | in appearances, i believe |
| [06:04:41] | k-man: | ah yeah, thanks |
| [06:04:52] | wagnerrp: | im still falling to the same tricks as always |
| [06:05:10] | Beirdo: | we all have our ways of doing things :) |
| [06:05:15] | wagnerrp: | ages ago in freshmen year, they had us take an 'intro to c++' course |
| [06:05:24] | wagnerrp: | a full 2/3 of my errors were forgetting semicolons |
| [06:05:33] | wagnerrp: | and here i go again, leaving out the semicolons |
| [06:05:34] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:05:43] | Beirdo: | the compiler will find those |
| [06:06:08] | wagnerrp: | worthless class, little more than a hello world |
| [06:06:20] | wagnerrp: | some basic calculations, some basic terminal IO |
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| [06:06:41] | wagnerrp: | no classes, no namespaces, no file IO, no threading, no.... |
| [06:07:22] | wagnerrp: | it was basically a 'if this panics you, you shouldnt be an engineer' class |
| [06:07:47] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [06:11:35] | Beirdo: | man, I wish transferring 250G or so were a faster task |
| [06:12:14] | wagnerrp: | it is... on drives larger than 250GB |
| [06:12:37] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:12:51] | Beirdo: | actually, it's 182G... on a 300G drive |
| [06:12:53] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: yeah even my lower c++ class had classes namespaces and file io |
| [06:13:17] | Beirdo: | then I have a 200G on a 320G drive |
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| [06:13:30] | Beirdo: | then 292G on a 500G drive |
| [06:13:37] | Beirdo: | all going to a 1TB drive |
| [06:14:15] | Beirdo: | as soon as this drive is no longer needed, I'm pulling it out of the SG rotation |
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| [06:18:06] | Beirdo: | I'm going to want a copy of your "find orphan files" script sometime too :) |
| [06:18:18] | Beirdo: | I'm pretty sure I have orphan preview pics |
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| [06:28:08] | Beirdo: | rsync #2 |
| [06:28:43] | wagnerrp: | why are you using rsync? |
| [06:29:08] | Beirdo: | ummm, how else do you expect me to move stuff from one drive to another? |
| [06:29:17] | wagnerrp: | 'cp' |
| [06:29:26] | wagnerrp: | 'mv' |
| [06:29:34] | Beirdo: | rsync is faster and fixes the perms better |
| [06:29:40] | wagnerrp: | really... |
| [06:30:09] | kormoc: | it's no slower, has a progress bar, fixes permissions/etc |
| [06:30:10] | wagnerrp: | perms i could believe, but faster? |
| [06:30:20] | wagnerrp: | progress bar would certainly be nice |
| [06:30:35] | kormoc: | and it allows you to checksum post copy and verify data integrity |
| [06:31:54] | Beirdo: | disk 1 is now out of the storage group config |
| [06:32:17] | Beirdo: | and nothing is recording. |
| [06:32:41] | Beirdo: | time to drain drive 2 |
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| [06:39:07] | ** wagnerrp thinks Anthony Giggins needs to be throttled ** | |
| [06:39:48] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:39:57] | Beirdo: | my i7 logs that all the time, BTW |
| [06:40:22] | Beirdo: | with Intel processors (recent) it's not really a problem as they will throttle themselves |
| [06:40:33] | wagnerrp: | your i7 is overheating and throttling itself? |
| [06:40:39] | wagnerrp: | that is /awful/ |
| [06:40:49] | Beirdo: | mine only shows it throttling for 1ms periods |
| [06:41:11] | wagnerrp: | if you are throttling, then you can never run at full speed |
| [06:41:15] | Beirdo: | the cooling is working fairly well though |
| [06:41:28] | Beirdo: | not true. it actually overclocks itself |
| [06:41:29] | wagnerrp: | after a few tens of seconds, it will always peak out and slow down |
| [06:41:34] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:41:45] | wagnerrp: | oh, this is individual cores getting too hot in turbo mode? |
| [06:41:49] | Beirdo: | yep |
| [06:42:06] | Beirdo: | it throttles... but back to 100% is what I was seeing |
| [06:42:37] | wagnerrp: | either way, that P4 doesnt have any fancy magic |
| [06:42:46] | Beirdo: | and as soon as it's not loaded, the core sensor shows it dropping to 45C in about 10s |
| [06:42:50] | wagnerrp: | it should never be getting anywhere near the temperature where it starts throttling |
| [06:42:56] | Beirdo: | so I know my cooling is working OK |
| [06:43:07] | Beirdo: | yeah, old P4... bad :) |
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| [06:43:35] | wagnerrp: | thats on the stock heatsink? |
| [06:44:08] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [06:44:13] | Beirdo: | with arctic silver |
| [06:45:10] | Beirdo: | I'm considering a new heatsink though |
| [06:45:43] | wagnerrp: | kinds limited by the case design |
| [06:46:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:46:05] | Shadow__X: | Beirdo: what are you using to monitor the temps consistently |
| [06:46:20] | Beirdo: | http://www.amazon.com/Scythe-Samurai-SCSMZ-20 . . . p/B002GWMEZO |
| [06:46:31] | Beirdo: | that's what that review used with my mobo/case |
| [06:46:39] | wagnerrp: | that will fit? |
| [06:46:45] | wagnerrp: | wow |
| [06:46:46] | Beirdo: | Shadow__X: i7z |
| [06:46:57] | Beirdo: | it did for them, apparently |
| [06:47:01] | wagnerrp: | didnt think there was that much room |
| [06:47:15] | wagnerrp: | did they flip the PSU around so it was drawing from inside the case? |
| [06:47:25] | Beirdo: | not sure |
| [06:47:32] | Beirdo: | I haven't |
| [06:47:35] | wagnerrp: | and flip the fan around |
| [06:48:02] | Shadow__X: | the sad part is that hsf isnt that big compared to some other outragious ones |
| [06:48:17] | Shadow__X: | anyone remember that asus ladybug styled hsf |
| [06:48:33] | Beirdo: | 3.9" high |
| [06:48:39] | Beirdo: | it might just fit |
| [06:48:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but if its too close to the PSU, it wont get any air |
| [06:49:03] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:49:16] | Beirdo: | I'll have to go find that review again |
| [06:49:17] | wagnerrp: | i was more thinking something like this... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185129 |
| [06:49:32] | wagnerrp: | just over 2" tall |
| [06:49:44] | Beirdo: | that might be too wide |
| [06:50:17] | wagnerrp: | amusing that 405g is 'ultra lightweight' |
| [06:50:38] | Beirdo: | that could be an option... if it won't be hitting stuff |
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| [06:52:41] | Shadow__X: | depending on conditions within your case and the ambient temps you could get a cheap closed loop watercooling system |
| [06:52:56] | Beirdo: | no way |
| [06:53:36] | Beirdo: | no way in my lifetime will I willingly put conductive liquids inside a computer |
| [06:53:48] | wagnerrp: | use non-conductive liquids |
| [06:53:56] | Shadow__X: | yeah |
| [06:54:04] | Beirdo: | such as? |
| [06:54:10] | wagnerrp: | flouroinert |
| [06:54:13] | Shadow__X: | i have done watercooling before short and long term and i havnt had an issue |
| [06:54:13] | wagnerrp: | deionized water |
| [06:54:27] | Beirdo: | deionized water is still conductive |
| [06:54:32] | wagnerrp: | no it isnt |
| [06:54:33] | Shadow__X: | also the closed systems are designed to be even easier to operate |
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| [06:54:43] | wagnerrp: | water doesnt conduct, the particulates in water conduct |
| [06:54:50] | wagnerrp: | sufficiently pure water is non-conductive |
| [06:55:00] | Beirdo: | anyways, not happening |
| [06:55:11] | Beirdo: | not worth it |
| [06:55:19] | wagnerrp: | of course de-i water will rapidly tear apart a watercooling system, produce particulates, and become conductive |
| [06:55:31] | Beirdo: | of course |
| [06:55:56] | Beirdo: | a couple times through the system and it will have collected ions from the impeller, etc |
| [06:55:57] | wagnerrp: | the only reason i would do water cooling were if i were to tie it into a secondary loop that moved the heat elsewhere |
| [06:56:25] | wagnerrp: | the internal loop would just be to get the heat out of the case, the external would be to get it out of the room all together |
| [06:56:42] | Beirdo: | heh, yeah, that could be useful |
| [06:56:54] | Beirdo: | or just heat a tropical fish tank |
| [06:57:08] | wagnerrp: | maybe auger a hole in the ground to run it through, year-round chilled system |
| [06:57:28] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: that would be something |
| [06:57:50] | Beirdo: | run it into Puget Sound |
| [06:57:59] | Beirdo: | that would keep it nice and chilly |
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| [06:58:48] | Beirdo: | anyways, a better heatsink might help me some |
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| [06:58:55] | Beirdo: | but it's working fine as is |
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| [06:58:59] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: im a big proponent of those big outrageous air coolers |
| [06:59:03] | Beirdo: | Intel FTW |
| [06:59:16] | wagnerrp: | ive got one of these in my desktop... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185147 |
| [06:59:26] | wagnerrp: | and one of these in my server... http://thermalright.com/products/index.php?ac . . . 4&id=150 |
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| [07:00:28] | [R]: | that thing is so huge! |
| [07:00:43] | Beirdo: | that's what she said |
| [07:01:00] | Shadow__X: | the last one is pretty heavy |
| [07:01:00] | [R]: | hehe |
| [07:01:14] | [R]: | why do they use copper? |
| [07:01:18] | [R]: | does it conduct the heat better? |
| [07:01:21] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [07:01:23] | wagnerrp: | much |
| [07:01:26] | Shadow__X: | its even heavier than my zalman and i thought it had was already too heavy |
| [07:01:58] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: when youre bolting to a backplate, it doesnt really matter |
| [07:01:59] | Shadow__X: | jeez the ninja is 1040g |
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| [07:02:14] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: that server one, how are you moving air across it? |
| [07:02:27] | wagnerrp: | big 120mm strapped on top of it |
| [07:02:44] | Beirdo: | that could probably fit in this case |
| [07:02:54] | wagnerrp: | not with a fan |
| [07:02:59] | [R]: | did anyone else notice you can use the arrow keys on google searches and theres a little arrow next to the links that moves? |
| [07:03:15] | Beirdo: | yeah, that would get tight |
| [07:03:22] | [R]: | Beirdo: oh come on |
| [07:03:25] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: yeah but its still putting strain on the pcb that normally wouldnt be nearly as high. Thankfully the machine wouldnt be moving much and the backplane helps spread out the weight. |
| [07:03:44] | Beirdo: | what's your problem? :) |
| [07:03:56] | Beirdo: | this is a fairly tight case |
| [07:04:51] | wagnerrp: | i dont think its going to fit |
| [07:04:58] | Shadow__X: | this would http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181010 |
| [07:05:00] | Shadow__X: | ;) |
| [07:05:05] | Beirdo: | yeah, probably not |
| [07:05:29] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: where is he going to attach that? |
| [07:05:43] | wagnerrp: | the case has no 120mm attach points |
| [07:05:48] | Shadow__X: | oh :( |
| [07:05:54] | Beirdo: | there is no space for that crap |
| [07:05:55] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [07:06:02] | Shadow__X: | i did not see which case he was using |
| [07:06:02] | wagnerrp: | either hes going to be covering the IO panel, or the expansion slots |
| [07:06:39] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112265 |
| [07:07:01] | wagnerrp: | the placement of the PSU is why he cant have a tall heatsink |
| [07:07:27] | wagnerrp: | but then the optical drive bay is going to limit the width of one |
| [07:07:52] | Beirdo: | and the HVR-2250 in the sole PCIE slot |
| [07:08:43] | wagnerrp: | swiftech makes some interesting coolers |
| [07:08:50] | wagnerrp: | very different design |
| [07:08:53] | Shadow__X: | oh ok i get it now |
| [07:09:07] | Beirdo: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500056 |
| [07:09:11] | Beirdo: | that mobo |
| [07:09:19] | Shadow__X: | heh you could get a self contained watercooling setup that uses an 80mm fan |
| [07:09:34] | wagnerrp: | ah, yeah... didnt realize it was that close |
| [07:09:41] | Shadow__X: | wait the front fan is 140mm use that |
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| [07:09:58] | Beirdo: | no watercooling |
| [07:10:10] | [R]: | Beirdo: i love itx |
| [07:10:12] | [R]: | Beirdo: so cute and tiny |
| [07:10:21] | Shadow__X: | Beirdo: with you posting all these parts now i want to build another system |
| [07:10:31] | wagnerrp: | he seems to have put his foot down on this one |
| [07:10:32] | Shadow__X: | Beirdo: yeah i know no watercooling i was just kidding |
| [07:10:35] | Beirdo: | and there's NO way I'm running watercooling around behind the drive cages to get to the front fan |
| [07:10:46] | [R]: | Beirdo: why are those usb ports on the left blue? |
| [07:11:04] | Beirdo: | those are USB3.0 ports |
| [07:11:07] | wagnerrp: | not to mention the front mounted heatsink is absolutely ridiculous |
| [07:11:15] | [R]: | wow |
| [07:11:16] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [07:11:18] | wagnerrp: | lets pump all this heat back /into/ the system |
| [07:11:28] | [R]: | are there actually usb3 drivers for windows? |
| [07:11:28] | Shadow__X: | wow i did not realize it has 6 internal 3.5 bays |
| [07:11:37] | Beirdo: | who cares about Windows |
| [07:11:47] | Beirdo: | Shadow__X: yup, all 6 in use |
| [07:11:58] | [R]: | zotac loves those vertically mounted batteries |
| [07:12:03] | Beirdo: | 2 for system disks, 4 for storage group discs |
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| [07:12:22] | [R]: | although i guess theres no room for it otherwise |
| [07:12:44] | Beirdo: | and another SATA for the DVD-RW... using a mini-pcie SATA controller card |
| [07:13:05] | Shadow__X: | Beirdo: nice. does audio over hdmi work properly? |
| [07:13:16] | Beirdo: | I have no video card |
| [07:13:35] | Beirdo: | the HDMI is for the video built in to some i3/i5 |
| [07:13:38] | Beirdo: | I put in an i7 |
| [07:13:48] | Beirdo: | this is backend only |
| [07:13:50] | Shadow__X: | oh ok so then its just headless |
| [07:14:01] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [07:14:02] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: the 'onboard video' on the CoreI series is actually on the CPU |
| [07:14:11] | wagnerrp: | and only exists for certain dual core processors |
| [07:14:16] | wagnerrp: | none of the quad core come with video |
| [07:14:30] | Beirdo: | I like my i7 :) |
| [07:14:46] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: ah ok i gotcha |
| [07:14:48] | [R]: | wagnerrp: thats interesting |
| [07:14:55] | [R]: | wagnerrp: does it cause more heat? |
| [07:15:10] | Beirdo: | doesn't everything? |
| [07:15:44] | [R]: | its amazing how much crap they can cram onto one little chip |
| [07:15:51] | wagnerrp: | they draw from 10–30W depending on the performance |
| [07:16:26] | wagnerrp: | apparently the highest end one on the 661 benchmarks fairly comparably to the 9400M on the ION units |
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| [07:16:59] | wagnerrp: | intel has finally graduated from mediocre to poor |
| [07:18:14] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: intereting this was looking at performance comparison of the next integrated offering from amd it looked like a step in the right direction |
| [07:18:33] | [R]: | does an intel GM45 support some kind of acceleration on h264? |
| [07:18:44] | wagnerrp: | only the X4500 HD |
| [07:19:00] | [R]: | mpeg2? |
| [07:19:15] | wagnerrp: | dont know about that one |
| [07:19:28] | wagnerrp: | probably only partial, meaning not VAAPI |
| [07:19:29] | Beirdo: | dunno, don't care :) |
| [07:19:52] | wagnerrp: | surely any G45-capable processor doesnt need mpeg2 acceleration |
| [07:19:57] | [R]: | oh wait... we went over this before |
| [07:19:59] | [R]: | it supports xvmc |
| [07:20:11] | wagnerrp: | we dont support xvmc |
| [07:20:15] | [R]: | yeah |
| [07:21:05] | Beirdo: | we do... until 0.24, no? |
| [07:21:20] | Beirdo: | as in it will be ripped out shortly? |
| [07:21:21] | Shadow__X: | intel should let nvidia design integrated gpus' for the i series. That would be nice |
| [07:21:22] | wagnerrp: | stuff before 0.24 exist? |
| [07:21:33] | [R]: | its weird... i'm looking at this qam recording... there is a gap between the sidebars and the actual 4:3 video |
| [07:21:48] | Beirdo: | that's fairly normal |
| [07:21:51] | [R]: | never noticed it on my tv cuz the sidebars look black on it... but they actually aren't |
| [07:21:56] | ** wagnerrp ignores it and wants to avoid support python on previous versions ** | |
| [07:22:25] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:22:27] | wagnerrp: | its part of that whole 'i forget code i havent looked at recently' |
| [07:22:43] | Beirdo: | the support path is "upgrade to 0.24" |
| [07:22:52] | [R]: | i can also see where the overscan is supposed to be |
| [07:22:53] | wagnerrp: | not only havent i touched it in months, ive rewritten the internal workings of large chunks between 0.23 and 0.24 |
| [07:22:58] | [R]: | the video is more vertical than the sidebars |
| [07:22:59] | Beirdo: | although if you are one of the unlucky who can not upgrade... |
| [07:23:11] | wagnerrp: | the 0.23 bindings were a learning process |
| [07:23:20] | Beirdo: | aye |
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| [07:24:16] | wagnerrp: | no one who actually knew what they were doing to look over my shoulder on that one |
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| [07:33:45] | Beirdo: | second disk drained |
| [07:35:00] | Beirdo: | now to drain the 500G disk |
| [07:35:13] | Beirdo: | with about 300G used |
| [07:37:15] | Beirdo: | then I can shut it down to put in the 4 1TB drives |
| [07:37:41] | Beirdo: | the one I'm transferring onto is sitting upside-down on the corner of the case |
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| [07:58:58] | fallback: | hello there, i'm fairly new to the pvr world, and have hit a few snags. I'm trying to configure a mythtv backend server with 3 dvb-c tuners, a infinity usb (phoenix) and an official provider access card. So all legal. I'm using ubuntu mythv0.23 + fixes, oscam 1.0 and sasc-ng. Everything seems to be working except the decoding. Logging on and everything works, oscam recognizes the irdeto card and is ready to go, except it keeps mentioning "not found |
| [07:58:58] | fallback: | XXXX:XXXX do irdeto cmd". I think it might have something to do with my not having entered an rsa and boxkey in oscam – because i have no idea what they are..... any help available? |
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| [08:04:01] | justinh: | fallback: mythtv doesn't suport that method of description and you can't talk about using software decryption here |
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| [08:04:49] | fallback: | apologies – although it does work with the dvb-t setup i have at home. it's strictly for internal use.. |
| [08:04:58] | fallback: | also mythtv |
| [08:09:12] | justinh: | I mean as a project mythtv doesn't condone using software decryption for any purpose |
| [08:11:41] | fallback: | i understand, although in my country (Netherlands) it is considered legal if one doesn't exceed 3 tuners. I actually phoned and asked. |
| [08:12:15] | fallback: | but i understand the concerns. sorry, just desperately looking for an answer |
| [08:12:50] | justinh: | I dunno where you will get support for that sort of decrypting.. maybe you have to look underground :P |
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| [08:30:27] | fallback: | i'm beginning to see that's the case ;-) |
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| [09:02:48] | fallback: | by the way: got it working :) |
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| [09:09:36] | fallback: | new question: can't get mythtv to grab EIT data, although everything is entered correctly in mythtv-backend |
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| [09:16:35] | justinh: | you think? |
| [09:17:11] | justinh: | you need to enable EIT for that video source, and set every channel's useonairguide field to 1 |
| [09:18:56] | deaman: | I have an ION pc with 9400 nvivida graphics – what's the current state of hardware acceleration on mythtv for windows – will it be able to deal with H.264 content? |
| [09:24:47] | justinh: | forget about it |
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| [09:26:42] | justinh: | stoopid Atom CPU. Ha-ha |
| [09:29:38] | fallback: | i enabled EIT in mythtv-backend, did original tuning data with w-scan, used that to generate channels.conf with dvbscan, imported the channels.conf into mythtv, deleted the channels and did a re-scan. All in hopes of not needing MythWeb... so there's no other option than installing mythweb and enabling useonairdata? |
| [09:35:15] | fallback: | installed mythweb – useonairguide was already enabled; yet no eit |
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| [09:48:13] | justinh: | gah |
| [09:48:19] | justinh: | you should be scanning in mythtv |
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| [09:52:32] | fallback: | sadly can't get EIT up and running, any tips? |
| [09:52:40] | fallback: | it works in kaffeine |
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| [09:57:17] | justinh: | fallback: you should've scanned in mythtv. Period |
| [09:57:37] | justinh: | because you didn't – and you imported a channels.conf file – that will likely be why EIT isn't working for you |
| [09:58:00] | justinh: | that you deleted the channels & then scanned the transponders in mythtv-setup would not make any difference |
| [09:58:33] | highzeth: | fallback: also how long did you leave it alone(not watching any livetv/record) before drumming your fingers and 'giving up'? Myth has a time-out before it starts 'crawling' for EIT data AFAIK |
| [09:58:44] | justinh: | work was done to fix mythtv-setup so that essential information missing from a channels.conf file would not break things like EIT – but there's no guarantee it covered everything in all cases |
| [09:59:03] | justinh: | if you *can* get a good scan from mythtv-setup, DO |
| [09:59:20] | justinh: | and if you cannot, report it as a bug |
| [09:59:36] | justinh: | unreported problems cannot be fixed :) |
| [10:00:06] | fallback: | mythtv has no built in scanning for the Netherlands, the channels.conf was the only way ; all other options i.e. "scan all known transports" and literall all others didn't work |
| [10:00:38] | fallback: | as it turned out that the useonairdata was already active – without mythweb; it must've been scanning all night |
| [10:01:25] | highzeth: | fallback if you know 1 good transponder, you can do a scan, add that & check 'discover/find new transponder'(or the like, can't recall the wording) |
| [10:01:46] | fallback: | that's what i did with the channels.conf |
| [10:02:08] | highzeth: | no, I meant type it in manually, no importing |
| [10:02:17] | fallback: | w_scan -c nl > channels.initial; scandvb channels.initial > channels.conf |
| [10:02:22] | fallback: | i could try that... |
| [10:05:57] | fallback: | it |
| [10:06:48] | fallback: | is scanning the channels now: it finds channels but als mentions TransportID 2211 – Time out now channels; the channels do work nonetheless |
| [10:07:39] | fallback: | nearly there, i'lll post results in a mo |
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| [10:07:50] | highzeth: | sure, that's to be expected, there will always be unused transporters |
| [10:11:25] | fallback: | it appears to be working now; the howto's could've mentioned that oen |
| [10:11:31] | fallback: | one |
| [10:11:48] | highzeth: | Feel free to edit and add it sir! =) |
| [10:12:08] | fallback: | is shall :-) |
| [10:12:12] | highzeth: | how-to's was not built in a day, nor done by it self ;) |
| [10:12:12] | fallback: | is = I |
| [10:12:20] | highzeth: | good man =) |
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| [10:12:45] | fallback: | thanks very much for the help :) |
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| [10:13:08] | highzeth: | np =) |
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| [10:35:03] | justinh: | so you mean to say that nobody in .nl has ever reported that they can't scan properly? :-O |
| [10:35:19] | justinh: | because there's more than one person using mythtv in .nl I'm sure |
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| [10:43:15] | highzeth: | This scanning 'issue'(ie adding a known transponder pre scanning) has been with us for as long as I can remember, atleast for DVB. Both -C & -S I've had to add before scanning to get any results. |
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| [10:51:40] | fallback: | Just for the info: DVB in NL really-really bites. No Free to Air to speak of, only 2 – 5 channels in HD at all. And ridiculous pricing. More than half of NL is still using Analog, and MythTV users are fewer than you might think |
| [10:53:49] | justinh: | highzeth: well yeah you *could* have full scanning of dvb-c or dvb-s but I'm not sure anyone has the patience! :D |
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| [10:54:20] | justinh: | highzeth: and the reason it doesn't just use initial tuning info is because.. well basically nobody's put that in yet.. but it's gonna be coming at some point |
| [10:55:07] | Beirdo: | oh great |
| [10:55:24] | justinh: | fallback: all we have in the UK you can use in mythtv without a STB is free to air. no way to get pay tv into myth without capturing it via analogue |
| [10:55:27] | Beirdo: | reboot the backend with the new drives... it is not replying to ssh |
| [10:55:43] | Beirdo: | screw it, going to bed |
| [10:55:45] | justinh: | and as for HD.. there are only about 5 HD channels in all.. and even then not that much programming |
| [10:56:23] | justinh: | if you want the cool new shows from the US you need pay TV... and their own DVR :-\ |
| [10:56:33] | highzeth: | justinh: I'm not complaining, I know the diff between various apps when it comes to the initial transponder data. Last time I did a full clean scan was 2005, now I just update those transponders where there are channel changes. |
| [10:56:45] | fallback: | but in the UK at least you get all the BBC's, ITV's and Channel4 related channels in NL, it's only NL 1 2 3 |
| [10:56:55] | justinh: | yeh well I'm still surprised there's so little info in the wiki about it |
| [10:57:02] | fallback: | which is why I got the infinity usb softcam trick working.. |
| [10:57:07] | justinh: | only BBC is really worth using |
| [10:57:16] | justinh: | there's bog all on ITV or channel 4 |
| [10:57:49] | justinh: | plus from the unsecured mythweb servers I've seen it looks like a lot of europe gets a lot of our junk anyway :D |
| [10:57:54] | fallback: | except good comedy :) |
| [10:58:06] | justinh: | good comedy on ITV? ROFLMAO |
| [10:58:24] | fallback: | only when using DVB-S on a 3 LNB or more dish |
| [10:58:27] | justinh: | even on C4.. there was only ever Father Ted, The IT Crowd ... |
| [10:58:44] | highzeth: | justinh: as long as you get a big enough dish, yes, BBC is in within reach, even here in the north =) |
| [10:58:46] | fallback: | Both cool; but what about Green Wing etc |
| [10:58:48] | justinh: | oh and Black Books. I think everything else was junk |
| [10:58:53] | justinh: | what about green wing? tosh |
| [10:59:05] | fallback: | i thought it was funny. |
| [10:59:10] | justinh: | Bo Selecta was funny for one series |
| [10:59:25] | justinh: | saw some inbetweeners recently. Oh dear :) |
| [10:59:37] | fallback: | also funny :) |
| [10:59:43] | Beirdo: | oooh |
| [10:59:46] | fallback: | trust me it beats NL 1, 2 and 3 |
| [10:59:51] | justinh: | heh |
| [11:00:03] | Beirdo: | attach keyboard... hit: S S S |
| [11:00:10] | justinh: | well over here we have loads of people gunning for the BBC. they really don't have any idea what they're doing |
| [11:00:14] | Beirdo: | to skip the three filesystems it couldn't find |
| [11:00:16] | fallback: | we get the news, limited sports and politics. that's about it |
| [11:00:26] | justinh: | if we lose the BBC's funding, TV is going to go down the pan in a BAD way |
| [11:00:41] | justinh: | Beirdo: heheh nice one |
| [11:00:43] | fallback: | really? is BBC in trouble? |
| [11:00:53] | Beirdo: | stupid ubuntu bootup |
| [11:01:00] | Beirdo: | just fail and move on, tards |
| [11:01:09] | justinh: | fallback: yeah. Murdoch & the uk gov are trying to sway public support away from the BBC |
| [11:02:19] | justinh: | at best they're after big cutbacks.. apparently they shouldn't be taking money away from the commercial sector by trying to be better than them |
| [11:02:34] | justinh: | that's bad for their business, they say |
| [11:02:46] | justinh: | I say if they weren't so awful at making content they wouldn't have to argue that :D |
| [11:02:58] | fallback: | 2 true |
| [11:04:10] | highzeth: | most of the good self produced content NRK(public funded, national channel) got to show for are, *drumroll* BBC 'remakes' |
| [11:04:17] | justinh: | commercial radio are always whining that the BBC is too similar to what they do.. but a study out recently revealed that in one week, between 6am & 7pm every day a commercial station played 1083 songs. Of those, 83 were not repeat plays. Of the BBC station in the study, 85% of the songs were unique plays |
| [11:05:05] | fallback: | i've always viewed the BBC as the pioneer for Television in Europe and always ready to tackle new technology |
| [11:05:17] | fallback: | unlike the Benelux and Scandinavia for example |
| [11:05:24] | justinh: | they were always innovating the new tech |
| [11:05:26] | justinh: | and still are |
| [11:05:54] | justinh: | where was murdoch when DVB was being invented hmm? |
| [11:06:06] | fallback: | indeed |
| [11:06:13] | highzeth: | fallback: very true, they all(scandinavia) look toward BBC and follow their lead. Which is not a bad thing in my book |
| [11:06:35] | justinh: | I hope Sky get burned by their 3D endeavours :D |
| [11:06:48] | justinh: | anyway.. it's my day off & I wanna head into town. Some ME time! |
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| [11:10:09] | Beirdo: | la la la |
| [11:10:18] | Beirdo: | formatting filesystems |
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| [11:10:25] | Beirdo: | then I go to bed |
| [11:10:47] | Beirdo: | I know I won't be able to sleep for crap if I try sleeping with things half-broken |
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| [12:20:25] | k-man: | in the mythweb.conf file, it has a rewrite that also tries to rewrite .html files |
| [12:20:47] | k-man: | i added a html to the rewrite rule – maybe that could be added as standard? |
| [12:34:04] | k-man: | xris? |
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| [13:10:29] | k-man: | mythtv seems to be putting all my recordngs into the commercial flagging queue |
| [13:10:38] | k-man: | how can i stop that? (and empty the queue?) |
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| [13:12:47] | wagnerrp: | k-man: mythweb has no html files to need rewriting |
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| [13:14:57] | k-man: | wagnerrp: i know – but the point is the default mythweb config hogs the root url (http://myhostname/). i wanted to put an html file in the top level for another purpose but the mythweb rewriet rules prevented me from being able to see the html file |
| [13:15:45] | wagnerrp: | correct, as there are no html files to need rewriting |
| [13:15:54] | k-man: | it was a 4 letter fix in the mythweb.conf file but personaly, i think it would be good to be distributed that way |
| [13:16:41] | wagnerrp: | you could always shove it in /data |
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| [13:16:55] | k-man: | i mean, it is possible that users might want to use their url for things other than mythtv |
| [13:17:01] | k-man: | wagnerrp: yeah, i suppose |
| [13:17:09] | wagnerrp: | no, mythweb doesnt hog the root url |
| [13:17:21] | wagnerrp: | use uses http://myhostname/mythweb/ |
| [13:17:49] | wagnerrp: | the only way it would function on the root url is if you messed with RewriteBase |
| [13:18:05] | k-man: | wagnerrp: well... i followed the instructions for installng it, and it does... (at least on my configuration) try typing in http://yourhostname and see what you get? |
| [13:18:30] | k-man: | wagnerrp: no, i didn't modify that afaicr |
| [13:18:45] | wagnerrp: | i dont count, as i set mythweb up as the root on a virtual host on a subdomain |
| [13:19:13] | k-man: | wagnerrp: ok, fair enough |
| [13:19:44] | wagnerrp: | at least it used to function as a subfolder only, and didnt touch the rest of the web server |
| [13:20:50] | k-man: | it does have instructions for putting it in a subfolder, but the basic unstructions are to make it your url root |
| [13:21:07] | wagnerrp: | that didnt used to be the case |
| [13:21:08] | k-man: | anyway – on another note, how do i clear the job queue? any idea? |
| [13:21:37] | wagnerrp: | you can delete individual jobs in the 'watch recordings' screen |
| [13:21:45] | wagnerrp: | or you can do it more easily in the info center |
| [13:22:40] | k-man: | hmm... i can't seem to do it in the info center |
| [13:22:56] | wagnerrp: | you should be able to 'm' on a job and do it |
| [13:23:16] | k-man: | a job under the job queue entry |
| [13:23:19] | k-man: | ? |
| [13:23:22] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [13:23:49] | k-man: | m does not do anything for me |
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| [13:24:54] | wagnerrp: | the only way to do it in bulk is go going into the database and set status to '320' (cancelled) for all that are queued (status '1') |
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| [13:25:08] | k-man: | wagnerrp: ok, thanks |
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| [13:26:02] | x[x]: | Guys iv just discovered MythTv and its an interesting concept |
| [13:26:17] | x[x]: | im wondering do you need to buy anything to get it up and running besides mythbuntu |
| [13:26:32] | x[x]: | like do i need a lead or a card cuz my tv is downstairs and my pc is upstairs? |
| [13:27:19] | k-man: | x[x]: yes, you need to connect your computer's video output to your TV |
| [13:27:21] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is really designed to run on dedicated hardware |
| [13:27:28] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to run it on your primary desktop |
| [13:27:50] | x[x]: | so i need a massively long cable then |
| [13:27:59] | x[x]: | wagnerrp i have another pc |
| [13:28:10] | x[x]: | its not doing anything and it already has ubuntu on it |
| [13:28:30] | k-man: | wagnerrp: could i just drop all the rows in the jobqueue table? |
| [13:28:31] | x[x]: | i would also need to buy a DVI card |
| [13:28:39] | wagnerrp: | k-man: youre right... seems mythweb has been changed between now and the last time i had to set it up in... 2007? |
| [13:28:53] | wagnerrp: | x[x]: DVI card for what? |
| [13:29:01] | x[x]: | hmm |
| [13:29:02] | k-man: | wagnerrp: yay! i am vindicated :) |
| [13:29:38] | x[x]: | i dont know but i doubt the tv downstairs has the same output as my montitor |
| [13:29:40] | k-man: | x[x]: it would be best to use your spare pc rather than try and run it on your personal pc |
| [13:29:41] | x[x]: | montitor* |
| [13:29:53] | wagnerrp: | tvs and monitors dont have outputs |
| [13:29:58] | x[x]: | input* |
| [13:30:01] | x[x]: | sorry |
| [13:30:04] | k-man: | what sort of tv is it? what video card output is it? |
| [13:30:15] | wagnerrp: | is your tv a CRT or some HD set (RP, LCD, plasma) |
| [13:30:16] | x[x]: | its VGA |
| [13:30:23] | x[x]: | and its LCD |
| [13:30:33] | x[x]: | oh |
| [13:30:35] | wagnerrp: | new or old? |
| [13:30:39] | k-man: | a lot of lcds have vga in i think |
| [13:30:42] | x[x]: | which tv or pc? |
| [13:30:42] | wagnerrp: | basically before or after 2006 or so |
| [13:30:46] | wagnerrp: | the tv |
| [13:31:06] | x[x]: | its an LCD |
| [13:31:14] | x[x]: | lemmie go check |
| [13:31:48] | wagnerrp: | basically, any newer set is going to have HDMI inputs |
| [13:32:03] | wagnerrp: | HDMI and DVI are compatible |
| [13:32:21] | wagnerrp: | so your PC would only need one or the other, and that would be the preferred method |
| [13:34:43] | x[x]: | ok |
| [13:34:49] | x[x]: | it doesnt have HDMI input |
| [13:34:51] | k-man: | wagnerrp: how do recordings end up automatcialy in the commercial flagging queue? is it a recording profile thing? |
| [13:34:56] | x[x]: | its a walker and its LCD |
| [13:35:11] | wagnerrp: | k-man: yes, that is defined per-recording rule |
| [13:35:23] | wagnerrp: | and there is a default value that controls rule creation |
| [13:35:29] | k-man: | x[x]: what input does it have? whats the make and modele of the tv? |
| [13:35:41] | k-man: | wagnerrp: where is the default set? |
| [13:35:53] | wagnerrp: | somewhere in mythfrontend, i dont remember where |
| [13:36:07] | x[x]: | k-man im currently googling the make and model since the tv is mounted to the wall i cant look behind it |
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| [13:41:41] | k-man: | ok, so jobs appear to get queued, but the queue never gets processed |
| [13:41:57] | k-man: | do i have to do something to enable the queue? |
| [13:42:06] | k-man: | or enable processing of the queue? |
| [13:42:32] | wagnerrp: | you have per-machine settings to enable/disable specific tasks |
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| [13:48:18] | k-man: | it's marked as allowed to run, and check every 60 seconds, max 1 job, but it does not seem to start |
| [13:48:32] | x[x]: | ok |
| [13:48:43] | x[x]: | so its a walker wp32 LCD ..but i dont see that anywhere on google |
| [13:48:48] | x[x]: | i found the remote for it but thats about it |
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| [13:54:56] | k-man: | hmm... mythvidexport seems to fail for some reason http://pastebin.ca/1974706 |
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| [13:56:31] | wagnerrp: | what does the error message say? |
| [13:57:15] | wagnerrp: | mythvidexport will attempt to catch the error, and hand it off to the database so it can be seen in the information center and backend status page |
| [13:57:34] | k-man: | JobQueue Error: User Job '/var/lib/mythtv/mythvidexport.py 2010' failed. |
| [13:57:53] | wagnerrp: | no, that is the log, what is the error message in the database |
| [13:58:02] | wagnerrp: | (visible through the information center or backend status page) |
| [13:58:59] | k-man: | error: could not find setting 'mythvideo.TVGrabber' on host mythbox |
| [13:59:21] | wagnerrp: | 0.23 or 0.24? |
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| [13:59:33] | k-man: | an older build of .24 |
| [13:59:58] | wagnerrp: | then you need to pull the updated version of mythvidexport off the discussion page on the wiki |
| [14:00:16] | wagnerrp: | as well as pull bindings from within the past couple weeks |
| [14:00:17] | k-man: | oh – that is where i got it a few days ago |
| [14:00:28] | k-man: | ah, the bindings |
| [14:00:43] | wagnerrp: | note that your bindings must match your installed mythtv version |
| [14:00:50] | wagnerrp: | and should be updated when you update mythtv |
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| [14:01:14] | wagnerrp: | if you are running an old version of mythtv, you may simply need to upgrade |
| [14:01:16] | k-man: | ah, ok – that must be the problem |
| [14:02:11] | k-man: | ok, bed time for me |
| [14:02:19] | k-man: | thanks for your help wagnerrp, night |
| [14:02:30] | wagnerrp: | later |
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| [15:24:47] | wagnerrp: | woowe! look at all them errors |
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| [15:34:16] | josch: | hi, is anybody watching high bitrate fullhd content on his mythtv? |
| [15:34:30] | josch: | i was wondering what processor would be enough as mythtv only decodes in software |
| [15:35:07] | wagnerrp: | that depends and incorrect |
| [15:35:12] | josch: | and on my laptop (core i5 2.53GHz) there are some clips that dont play smooth at some motion intense scenes |
| [15:35:22] | growler: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU |
| [15:35:27] | josch: | ah ic |
| [15:35:32] | josch: | didnt know about that |
| [15:35:44] | wagnerrp: | yes, mythtv can use VDPAU on sufficiently modern nvidia GPUs |
| [15:36:39] | wagnerrp: | a 2.5GHz i5 should handle most content you throw at it |
| [15:36:42] | wagnerrp: | need more information |
| [15:36:47] | josch: | about the content? |
| [15:36:55] | wagnerrp: | codecs, bitrates, any other encoding parameters you may know |
| [15:37:21] | wagnerrp: | the only thing i could think of that would cause it issues is maybe some of the old high bitrate single-sliced BBC stuff (before they cut their bitrate) |
| [15:37:23] | josch: | this one for example still exposes problems: http://mister-muffin.de/josch/killa.sampla.x264.mkv |
| [15:37:24] | wagnerrp: | or bluray |
| [15:37:29] | josch: | yes |
| [15:37:30] | josch: | BBC stuff |
| [15:37:46] | josch: | planet earth specifically |
| [15:37:54] | wagnerrp: | the problem with the BBC stuff was that it was single sliced |
| [15:38:02] | wagnerrp: | h264 supports a concept of video slices |
| [15:38:16] | wagnerrp: | where the video is actually sliced into multiple domains that are each encoded and decoded separately |
| [15:38:24] | wagnerrp: | without slicing, decoding is a single-threaded process |
| [15:38:41] | wagnerrp: | your i5 can probably manage around 15Mbps per core |
| [15:38:48] | wagnerrp: | but the BBC stuff was upwards of 20Mbps |
| [15:39:07] | wagnerrp: | so the mobile i5s not do the auto-overclock? |
| [15:39:29] | josch: | well apperently i cannot play that clip (and others) smoothly on my i5 |
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| [15:40:08] | wagnerrp: | you can go into the playback profile and disable the deblocking filter |
| [15:40:21] | wagnerrp: | thats going to noticeably cut playback quality |
| [15:40:30] | Beirdo: | blech. mornings are an unfortunate occurrance |
| [15:40:30] | wagnerrp: | but it may reduce the complexity enough to make it playable |
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| [15:40:37] | josch: | wagnerrp: ic |
| [15:40:49] | josch: | wagnerrp: that explenation was very helpful! thanks a lot? |
| [15:40:52] | josch: | argh |
| [15:40:56] | josch: | thanks a lot! :) |
| [15:41:16] | josch: | then i think i'm going for a cheak core i3 on that system i'm building now |
| [15:41:19] | wagnerrp: | alternatively, you may try bumping to the 0.24 release candidate and try to get VAAPI working |
| [15:41:22] | josch: | *cheap |
| [15:41:40] | wagnerrp: | any i3/i5 with onboard graphics should be supported |
| [15:41:43] | iamlindoro: | the "killa sampla" sample is *made* to crush hardware |
| [15:41:48] | wagnerrp: | but VAAPI support is only experimental at the moment |
| [15:42:01] | Beirdo: | VAAPI is certainly going to disappoint you at the moment :) |
| [15:42:09] | josch: | wagnerrp: by the time i have that system running i will surely use 0.24 :) |
| [15:42:11] | iamlindoro: | it exists specifically to only play on full hardware decode or topmost end software decode-- that's the whole point of the sample, it's not just cleverly named |
| [15:42:50] | josch: | iamlindoro: it's not as if this would be the only thing that is not smooth here |
| [15:42:56] | iamlindoro: | And that sample takes the original clip and *ups* the bitrate and encoding complexity |
| [15:43:09] | josch: | oups |
| [15:43:10] | josch: | ic |
| [15:43:41] | josch: | Beirdo: in a way that it performce worse or that it performs not that much better? |
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| [15:43:57] | iamlindoro: | josch: a regular i5 will play blu-ray, HD-PVR, and any broadcast content in software decode without issue-- if you get stuttering on a *non* insane sample, then you have a misconfiguration |
| [15:44:17] | Beirdo: | in a way that it's not fully working. the frontend hangs after playing back a file, etc. |
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| [15:44:40] | ** iamlindoro plays full bitrate Blu-ray and HD-PVR content without issue on a Core 2 Q6600, an i5 will be more than up to the task ** | |
| [15:44:40] | Beirdo: | it's just not ready for human consumption yet, but you are welcome to try it if you are curious :) |
| [15:44:45] | josch: | iamlindoro: i dont know.. for example i have a 1080p anime with a couple of scenes with heavy snowfall that are not able to playback smoothly |
| [15:44:59] | iamlindoro: | josch: And thus, it's a misconfiguration |
| [15:44:59] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: quad core, yes... a dual core i5 isnt as powerful |
| [15:45:17] | wagnerrp: | not when you have properly sliced content anyway |
| [15:45:20] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I have played all my content (on modern myth with H.264 optimizations) on a comparable dual core |
| [15:45:51] | iamlindoro: | including single sliced content |
| [15:46:00] | josch: | iamlindoro: do you have a wikilink about what i could have misconfiguered? |
| [15:46:17] | iamlindoro: | josch: playback profiles, and no, I don't have a wiki link |
| [15:46:32] | josch: | ah only the profiles okay |
| [15:46:38] | iamlindoro: | and/or lots of other things |
| [15:46:41] | josch: | thought you were pointing to smth much deeper |
| [15:46:45] | josch: | ah.. |
| [15:46:56] | iamlindoro: | It could be all sorts of things-- stutering playback is hardly a single cause issue |
| [15:47:15] | ** wagnerrp just played the 'killa sampla' without issue in software one his middling desktop ** | |
| [15:47:52] | iamlindoro: | Heck, stuttering video in playback can even be an audio problem |
| [15:48:07] | wagnerrp: | 38mbps, wow |
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| [15:48:32] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Based on the original sample's bitrate of around half that |
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| [15:48:48] | iamlindoro: | I have always hated the concept of that sample |
| [15:49:07] | iamlindoro: | "Hey, let's do some dick measuring, I'll take this content and senselessly and stupidly make it less playable" |
| [15:49:08] | wagnerrp: | does nicely showing off ffmpeg-mt (in ffdshow) |
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| [15:49:30] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt cally my desktop powerful by any sense of the term |
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| [15:51:26] | josch: | thank you for your input guys :) i will go by the core i3 with integrated graphics then and see how vaapi turns out in the future |
| [15:51:35] | wagnerrp: | no, buy something nvidia |
| [15:52:12] | wagnerrp: | i said you might get by with VAAPI, not that you would intentionally choose to do so at this point |
| [15:52:30] | josch: | yes but so long i can still do decoding in software |
| [15:53:12] | josch: | and wouldnt a nvidia vdpau enabled card not mean some full size pci express card that adds extra noise and power consuption? |
| [15:53:32] | wagnerrp: | you can get integrated video |
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| [15:53:57] | Beirdo: | of course it will add power consumption |
| [15:53:57] | wagnerrp: | or you could go with a low end fanless card, might add another 10W idle |
| [15:54:10] | Beirdo: | we do follow the laws of thermodynamics |
| [15:55:07] | wagnerrp: | ... in this house, lisa |
| [15:55:15] | josch: | there are nvidia chipsets for intel core i3/i5 ? |
| [15:55:17] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [15:55:25] | wagnerrp: | not that i know of |
| [15:57:11] | Beirdo: | yay. |
| [15:57:22] | Beirdo: | 4*1TB drives :) |
| [15:58:16] | josch: | also, if i take some GeForce 9300 based mobo and combine it with a core2duo, how do i know in advance wether this setup alone would suffice to play my fullhd content? and what advantage would it have over a core i3 + intel graphics setup? |
| [15:58:24] | Beirdo: | and I spread the recordings to the 3 empty drives just enough so myth can detect them as being different drives |
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| [15:58:43] | wagnerrp: | you cant just say 'fullhd' |
| [15:58:50] | wagnerrp: | thats meaningless |
| [15:58:55] | josch: | okay what should i say? |
| [15:59:52] | wagnerrp: | X codec, Y bitrate, Z resolution... possibly with slicing information, entropy compressor, interlaced/progressive, anything else that may affect processing performance |
| [16:00:03] | wagnerrp: | or... the source |
| [16:00:21] | wagnerrp: | ATSC? DVB-T?-S?-C? bluray? |
| [16:00:58] | josch: | bluray |
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| [16:01:30] | wagnerrp: | a quad core C2, or high end dual core should be able to manage just about any bluray content |
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| [16:01:44] | wagnerrp: | and VDPAU on that 9300 should handle all of it |
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| [16:02:00] | wagnerrp: | (at reduced power consumption since youre not running full tilt on the CPU) |
| [16:02:09] | josch: | okay |
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| [16:20:15] | dewman: | is it possible to make a video playlist? I have a bunch of kid videos that I would like to play at one time rather then having to go back at start a new video each time one video is over, I found this and I dont have a problem doing this but wanted to see if there was another alternative. |
| [16:20:24] | wagnerrp: | not exactly |
| [16:20:27] | dewman: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/349340 |
| [16:20:44] | wagnerrp: | you can define a chain of 'child videos' such that one plays after the next |
| [16:20:51] | wagnerrp: | and you can play an entire directory |
| [16:20:57] | wagnerrp: | but there is no editable playlist support |
| [16:21:09] | dewman: | ahhh. |
| [16:21:18] | dewman: | ok, |
| [16:21:37] | wagnerrp: | the 'child video' is more for multi-part videos than for creating playlists |
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| [16:23:22] | dewman: | so if i create a dir like kids and dump all the videos in there, I can get it to play all of the videos. That is what I was looking for....I dont care about the order and neither does the 2 year old.. just wanted the next vid to start when one would end. (my wifes idea) |
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| [16:24:13] | wagnerrp: | yes, however note that you can only have one instance of a physical file in mythvideo at a time |
| [16:24:28] | wagnerrp: | it will detect duplicates based off the hash, and not permit multiples |
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| [16:25:15] | dewman: | o ok, so physically move the files to the new directory correct? |
| [16:26:13] | wagnerrp: | you can make a special category, then have mythvideo sort by category and play all in that category |
| [16:26:40] | wagnerrp: | there are multiple sorting modes, only the default is to follow the folder tree |
| [16:27:42] | dewman: | ok, that would make sense....I have everything on default for now. i didnt think about the category's.... |
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| [16:30:03] | dewman: | thanks wagnerrp |
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| [17:46:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: did you try playing the sample on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9149 to see if it was just some guy disabling deblocking on his stolen video? |
| [17:47:27] | wagnerrp: | no i hadnt |
| [17:47:30] | wagnerrp: | let me try now |
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| [17:48:33] | sphery: | wagnerrp: thakns |
| [17:50:55] | wagnerrp: | ugh... still cant get my test box to boot |
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| [17:52:56] | Beirdo: | and another two silly simple tickets closed |
| [17:53:27] | kormoc: | "I disabled the de-blocking filter and now my video is blocky! HELP!" |
| [17:54:50] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:55:18] | Beirdo: | sphery: I planned on checking that sample tonight, perhaps |
| [17:56:15] | Beirdo: | my backend now is sporting 4TB :) |
| [17:56:16] | sphery: | Beirdo: cool... I'd just like to get it closed--especially if it's just user error--as long as it has a stolen file's name in it |
| [17:56:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: thanks, anyway, for trying |
| [17:57:21] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no, its a valid issue |
| [17:57:25] | wagnerrp: | decoding problem |
| [17:57:32] | kormoc: | Beirdo, snaz |
| [17:57:34] | sphery: | :( |
| [17:57:49] | wagnerrp: | it looks like when you get bad reception on broadcast digital |
| [17:57:52] | wagnerrp: | like theres corruption |
| [17:58:05] | wagnerrp: | not simply overcompression |
| [17:58:24] | Beirdo: | took a while to get it all transferred, and I fell asleep while waiting |
| [17:58:31] | Beirdo: | then finished the job at 4am |
| [18:00:16] | sphery: | Beirdo: heh, you fixed #9147 within 10 minutes of my marking it blue (TODO) |
| [18:00:24] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:00:31] | sphery: | was planning to look at it later when I boot my dev box |
| [18:00:36] | sphery: | thanks, though--for it and the uninstall fix |
| [18:01:10] | wagnerrp: | christ... 'me=tesa subme=10 ref=16' |
| [18:01:24] | sphery: | what language is that? |
| [18:01:30] | Beirdo: | no prob |
| [18:01:34] | wagnerrp: | x264 encoder options |
| [18:01:57] | wagnerrp: | that means 'excessive complexity at all costs' |
| [18:01:57] | sphery: | bad options specified by the thief who encoded that file? |
| [18:02:09] | sphery: | well, whatever it takes to fit it on one CD |
| [18:02:16] | Beirdo: | s/thief/pirate/ |
| [18:02:17] | Beirdo: | arrrrr |
| [18:02:22] | wagnerrp: | of course all of that is completely negated by 'threads=12' |
| [18:04:01] | sphery: | Beirdo: same diff? |
| [18:04:09] | Beirdo: | I guess |
| [18:04:15] | sphery: | pirating is stealing--especially when you then distribute |
| [18:04:24] | Beirdo: | but thieves don't come with handy parrots for us to harass |
| [18:04:34] | sphery: | ah, true |
| [18:04:48] | sphery: | we'd have to make lame jokes about leather cloaks or something |
| [18:05:03] | Beirdo: | SQUAWK... don't eat me... SQUAWK! |
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| [18:06:34] | wagnerrp: | sphery: and mechanical eyes? |
| [18:07:09] | sphery: | wow... had to look that one up: http://thief.wikia.com/wiki/Mechanical_Eye |
| [18:07:48] | sphery: | last I mentioned cloaks (but in the freenode sense), AndyCap linked me to http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JOn4qp7SpVA/S5qZ02G . . . gma+Coat.jpg |
| [18:08:06] | sphery: | but I can't think of a way to make that into a joke for a thief |
| [18:08:22] | kormoc: | AbbyShot sounds like a porn name |
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| [18:08:37] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:08:37] | sphery: | kormoc: or the season finale of NCIS |
| [18:08:51] | kormoc: | SPOILER! |
| [18:09:02] | sphery: | heh, some future one... |
| [18:09:05] | Beirdo: | Abby Shot By Gibbs? |
| [18:09:30] | Beirdo: | anyways... |
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| [18:15:01] | sphery: | hmmm... interesting theory on users list--that the "loose" MySQL connections some users are reporting may be caused by logrotate shutting down and restarting MySQL rather than just sending it a flush-logs/refresh or whatever to close and eopen log files |
| [18:16:13] | Beirdo: | I fixed the reconnect issue already though |
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| [18:16:46] | sphery: | yeah, these are 0.23 users |
| [18:17:05] | Beirdo: | at most, you should get one of those "Gone away" messages per mysql worker thread, unless the server's still down, and once the server's back, it will cleanly reconnect |
| [18:17:15] | sphery: | still, kind of annoying if it's just a misconfigured distro making things tough |
| [18:17:31] | Beirdo: | and if it's logrotate, you shouldn't even lose a single query, I'd think |
| [18:17:37] | sphery: | especially since the users blame MythTV for it |
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| [18:18:12] | kormoc: | oh lord! |
| [18:18:20] | kormoc: | he's restarting mysql for log rotate? |
| [18:18:39] | Beirdo: | that would be pretty dumb |
| [18:19:17] | Beirdo: | but at least in 0.24, we recover from it better |
| [18:19:29] | Beirdo: | "what will soon be 0.24" :) |
| [18:20:59] | sphery: | kormoc: still not confirmed, but the argument makes sense--the MySQL server disappeared at the top of the hour |
| [18:22:05] | Beirdo: | does sound like someone bounced mysqld for sure |
| [18:23:16] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/457669#457669 |
| [18:28:25] | wagnerrp: | ive got a 2100 line diff for the bindings to make it 2.6-only |
| [18:28:34] | wagnerrp: | i think ill hold that one off until after release |
| [18:29:55] | wagnerrp: | plus another thousand for mythsystem and headers |
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| [18:52:18] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: heres where im at currently... http://www.wagnerrpc.om |
| [18:52:23] | wagnerrp: | bah |
| [18:52:48] | wagnerrp: | http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/mythsystem.patch |
| [18:53:29] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt currently compile, and im not experienced enough to figure out why not |
| [18:53:37] | wagnerrp: | and it doesnt yet have the channel changes |
| [18:53:56] | wagnerrp: | i think ill do that now, and then let it sit until at least the weekend |
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| [19:22:02] | skd5aner: | What's the story behind the ASI recorder going into the mythtv-rec branch? |
| [19:22:25] | skd5aner: | or is this a better discussion topic for the other channel? |
| [19:22:27] | iamlindoro: | What specifically did you want to know? |
| [19:22:37] | iamlindoro: | It's a recorder for DVEO ASI DVB hardware |
| [19:22:49] | skd5aner: | Well, it may have been mentioned on the lists, but I just am unfamiliar with what it is |
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| [19:23:00] | iamlindoro: | can you be more specific? |
| [19:23:15] | iamlindoro: | It has not been mentioned on the lists |
| [19:23:28] | skd5aner: | heh – Guess I just see all the commits over the last few months related to it and think "hmmm, wonder what that is" – just general curiousity, high level |
| [19:24:06] | skd5aner: | I did google it about a month ago – but didn't spend much time looking at the results, so I know the answer is probably out there for me to find |
| [19:24:09] | iamlindoro: | I just gave you high level-- or are you asking what ASI is? |
| [19:24:28] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: yea, that's fine – had 0 background, now I have more than 0 – thank you :) |
| [19:24:30] | wagnerrp: | ASI is an interconnect for compressed video |
| [19:24:31] | skd5aner: | sure, what's ASI? |
| [19:24:44] | wagnerrp: | usually MPEG2 |
| [19:24:50] | iamlindoro: | ASI is the interconnect used for high end/headend digital broadcast receivers |
| [19:24:53] | wagnerrp: | for communication between broadcast and headeng gear |
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| [19:25:14] | iamlindoro: | ie, when the signals comes into your cable company from the BUD farm in the back of their lot, it's via ASI most of the time |
| [19:25:17] | skd5aner: | OK... I gotcha |
| [19:25:31] | wagnerrp: | now as to the use... no clue |
| [19:25:39] | wagnerrp: | unless some small cableco has contracted someone to develop it |
| [19:25:49] | skd5aner: | so, the intended audience of this kind of recorder and feature would be probably a station or network or provider or something similiar |
| [19:25:49] | skd5aner: | ? |
| [19:26:05] | iamlindoro: | yes, or someone building a small headend of their own, or someone with too much money/time/space |
| [19:26:11] | iamlindoro: | It'll be a niche recorder for sure |
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| [19:26:39] | skd5aner: | gotcha – so danielk probably had been contracted to include support for it I'm guessing |
| [19:26:41] | wagnerrp: | basically, if you dont know what it is, you dont want to use it |
| [19:26:47] | iamlindoro: | yes, he has been |
| [19:27:12] | sphery: | BUD farm... you'd think they'd at least grow some good beer |
| [19:27:18] | skd5aner: | yea, I had a feeling from the 3 minutes I spent looking a month ago it wasn't going to be something I'd ever need/touch/use |
| [19:27:58] | wagnerrp: | maybe if you wanted to license content for you and your nearest 500 neighbors, it would be something to look into |
| [19:28:04] | skd5aner: | was there additional new "recorders" he was putting into that branch or was the ASI one the only one (can't reacall)? |
| [19:28:31] | sphery: | OCUR |
| [19:28:43] | wagnerrp: | OCUR? |
| [19:28:47] | iamlindoro: | cablecard |
| [19:28:54] | sphery: | and someone else is working on windows |
| [19:28:59] | iamlindoro: | OCUR = Ceton recorder |
| [19:29:01] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I don't even want to install mythtv for my parents – it's hard enough trying to get them to switch sources for their various stuff – let alone try and be a provider for anyone :) |
| [19:29:04] | wagnerrp: | oh, that was in response to skd5aner |
| [19:29:11] | iamlindoro: | someone else has stalled on that, too much other stuff right now |
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| [19:29:34] | sphery: | can't remember the windows acronym |
| [19:29:35] | skd5aner: | so, what is the OCUR one, if you don't mind me asking? |
| [19:29:37] | iamlindoro: | BDA |
| [19:29:41] | sphery: | that's it |
| [19:29:44] | iamlindoro: | iamlindoro: OCUR = Ceton recorder |
| [19:29:47] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: as mentioned, the cceton recorder |
| [19:29:59] | wagnerrp: | quad QAM tuner, with a CC slot |
| [19:30:02] | skd5aner: | ok... better yet, was is the ceton recorder – or, just tell me to google |
| [19:30:11] | wagnerrp: | for what... $350? |
| [19:30:13] | iamlindoro: | feel free to google without being told ;) |
| [19:30:19] | sphery: | OCUR = OpenCable(TM) Unidirectional Receiver |
| [19:30:23] | skd5aner: | so, it's a similiar device to the HDHR prime? |
| [19:30:27] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [19:30:31] | iamlindoro: | yes, though PCIe |
| [19:30:39] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: just making conversation with people in the know – if it's bugging you, I can research on my own |
| [19:30:47] | wagnerrp: | yes, through a virtual network through PCIe |
| [19:31:19] | wagnerrp: | its a networked tuner just like the HDHR, but its a private network existing on the card itself |
| [19:31:33] | skd5aner: | Well, that's pretty cool – I love when myth expands like this :) |
| [19:32:01] | wagnerrp: | strange way to set it up, but effectively transparent to the user |
| [19:32:02] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: interesting, why didn't they just use the bus itself, why become a network device? |
| [19:32:16] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if that was some requirement of the cablelabs licensing |
| [19:32:22] | iamlindoro: | Being a network device keeps one from sniffing anything |
| [19:32:26] | wagnerrp: | some manner of isolation from the main system |
| [19:32:41] | iamlindoro: | the interface is uPnP |
| [19:32:41] | sphery: | why take public transportation when you can own your own vehicle /and/ highway |
| [19:32:43] | marc-us-tx: | perhaps to allow it to work with virtual machines |
| [19:32:53] | iamlindoro: | It's not to allow VM use |
| [19:33:21] | wagnerrp: | so its just to ensure nothing can access its internals over the PCIe bus |
| [19:33:23] | marc-us-tx: | well, instead of going throuh hardware, you can use another stac |
| [19:33:29] | skd5aner: | hmmm, clever concepts I suppose to do it that way |
| [19:33:33] | wagnerrp: | i guess thats the same reason the ATI one was only available in USB |
| [19:33:35] | marc-us-tx: | Oh then that is the reason |
| [19:34:04] | skd5aner: | abstraction by design |
| [19:34:05] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [19:34:23] | skd5aner: | well, thanks for entertaining my curiosity |
| [19:34:25] | marc-us-tx: | and there would be no benefit at all to more easily allow vm access |
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| [19:34:35] | marc-us-tx: | nice to know |
| [19:35:11] | marc-us-tx: | won't be much use to me anyway because of our cable provider. that's too bad |
| [19:35:29] | skd5aner: | same – mine blows |
| [19:35:31] | marc-us-tx: | It would have been perfect |
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| [19:35:42] | sphery: | won't be much use to me since I have no interest in cable TV |
| [19:35:52] | marc-us-tx: | then ther is sphery |
| [19:35:56] | sphery: | not worth the cost--buying DVDs of the shows I want is much cheaper |
| [19:36:18] | marc-us-tx: | who does not watch scifi or ice road truckers like me |
| [19:36:31] | marc-us-tx: | IRT! |
| [19:36:36] | wagnerrp: | IRT? |
| [19:36:45] | marc-us-tx: | Ice Road Truckers |
| [19:36:50] | sphery: | I watch a lot of SyFy shows... all the Stargate series, all the BSG series, ... |
| [19:37:10] | marc-us-tx: | Yes, most in hd on netflix now. Their anime list has exploded |
| [19:37:15] | sphery: | but, again, I spend a lot less than $360 a year (assuming a cheap cable package of $30/mo) on DVDs |
| [19:37:16] | marc-us-tx: | as well |
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| [19:37:36] | marc-us-tx: | Oh no, my cable co has me in a headlock |
| [19:37:40] | sphery: | and for those who have the $90/mo cable packages--well, that's just crazy |
| [19:37:44] | skd5aner: | I drove by a house the other day sphery – with a HUGE antenna on a tower in the backyard, maybe 4 large old dishes, a few smaller new dishes, and maybe a dozen other various antennas mounted to the house – I thought "that must be sphery's childhood home" |
| [19:37:47] | marc-us-tx: | Yes, nuts |
| [19:37:57] | marc-us-tx: | Hahha |
| [19:38:04] | marc-us-tx: | BUD |
| [19:38:06] | sphery: | skd5aner: heh |
| [19:38:09] | marc-us-tx: | Big Ugly Dish |
| [19:38:33] | marc-us-tx: | I had a 12 footer in our back yard. |
| [19:38:34] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: so theyre a devoted HAM operator |
| [19:38:44] | skd5aner: | or an NSA not-so-secret safehouse |
| [19:38:50] | marc-us-tx: | I think the actuator arm is rusted tight |
| [19:38:51] | skd5aner: | skd5aner: very likely ;) |
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| [19:38:59] | sphery: | we never have any satellite stuff (except for a BUD that we tested for a couple months). We did have an antenna on a 50-ft tower with a rotor |
| [19:39:06] | sphery: | I now have an antenna in my attic |
| [19:39:31] | marc-us-tx: | I'm using my old dishmount to hold my OTA antenna. |
| [19:39:33] | sphery: | much better--it's never damaged/broken by wind (even in hurricanes--well, those that don't rip off the roof, that is) |
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| [19:39:46] | skd5aner: | Yea, I'm likely going to put an antenna in my attic – I've wired for it, just haven't bought the antenna |
| [19:40:23] | skd5aner: | I'm also going to have to figure out how to properly split/amplify my cable here soon enough – I think right now I have 8 active splits and I need several more |
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| [19:40:27] | marc-us-tx: | I need to get a VHF / UHF combiner |
| [19:40:40] | marc-us-tx: | and a small vhf only antenna that's decent |
| [19:40:58] | marc-us-tx: | 7 to 9db gain should be enough |
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| [19:41:13] | sphery: | yeah, I was very upset with my HOA for their no antenna rule (and, yeah, I know the US Supreme Court says I can still put up an antenna, but I have to live with these people and they have a lot of other ways of making me comply) when I spent 8hrs assembling the antenna inside the attic (weaved around trusses and all), but now I love it--because of the no wind thing |
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| [19:41:22] | skd5aner: | I've got a cheap radioshack active amplifying splitter that outputs 4, but I'd rather just get something that works well for everything and be done with it |
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| [19:41:59] | sphery: | wow, more than 8 splits will be a challenge |
| [19:42:05] | marc-us-tx: | they can get expensive. Just get one that makes up for the splitter loss |
| [19:43:20] | skd5aner: | Is there an easy way to measure loss – I suppose just look at the dB loss printed on the splitter? |
| [19:43:35] | marc-us-tx: | Blonder Tongue makes them in 16 splits for apartment CATV head ends |
| [19:43:54] | skd5aner: | marc-us-tx: got a link handy? |
| [19:44:08] | skd5aner: | because something like that sounds perfect |
| [19:44:10] | marc-us-tx: | a distributor like DSI can get you what you need and hopefully they have a warehouse near you |
| [19:44:45] | marc-us-tx: | Channel plus also makes some nice balanced distribution head ends although they can get pricey |
| [19:44:46] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: why so many splits? its not like youre sending cable to all those frontends |
| [19:45:14] | marc-us-tx: | It's best to split once with only enough gain to make up for the splitter loss, around 3 to 4 1/2 db |
| [19:45:34] | marc-us-tx: | you can cap with terminators the unused outlets |
| [19:45:57] | skd5aner: | I've got 4 going to PCI cards, 2 going to HDHR, 1 going to STB, and 1 going to another TV upstairs (no frontend there) – I have an additional HDHR sitting in the box, and I'd like to wire the rest of my TV locations for direct cable |
| [19:46:11] | marc-us-tx: | DSI Distributing is a good start or try a local supplier for the cable installers |
| [19:46:18] | skd5aner: | I've currently got 7 TV locations wired |
| [19:46:26] | skd5aner: | but not hooked up in the closet |
| [19:46:29] | skd5aner: | only 2 so far |
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| [19:46:51] | marc-us-tx: | if all else fails that antenna warehouse company... now what was their name antenna specialites??? let me look it up |
| [19:46:53] | wagnerrp: | 9 inputs... and here i thought my 5 was a lot |
| [19:47:19] | marc-us-tx: | I used 4 posts for the two hdhrs I have |
| [19:49:55] | skd5aner: | So, in total, I'd have 7 drops for the house, plus 8–9 for myth (I'll probably remove my PCI digital card when I get the other HDHR hooked up), so up to 16 "drops" |
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| [19:54:10] | Beirdo: | hahahaha |
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| [19:54:28] | Beirdo: | "See also: http://lirc.org/developers.html" |
| [19:54:28] | marc-us-tx: | skd5aner: There are two schools of thought on this. You can over amp and tap it along the route. this saves cable by not having to home run them all to the amp. It's like a big pipe feeding samller pipes tapped into it along the way. Optimal output is 0 DB |
| [19:54:38] | Beirdo: | go, Jarod! |
| [19:55:05] | marc-us-tx: | the next one is to have an amp/splitter built together and homerun all the cables, This is what I did. |
| [19:55:24] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: is that on the users list? |
| [19:55:34] | marc-us-tx: | 8 outs on the one I was given by a friend. |
| [19:55:39] | skd5aner: | marc-us-tx: everything is homerunned |
| [19:55:41] | Beirdo: | yeah :) |
| [19:55:54] | marc-us-tx: | Then the way I did it would be best for you. |
| [19:56:01] | skd5aner: | marc-us-tx: I wired the house myself when we built last year :) |
| [19:56:01] | Beirdo: | on the "HD-PVR150" thread |
| [19:56:15] | marc-us-tx: | I'll make a note of the model I have tonight. It could be SA but Id like to make sure |
| [19:56:28] | skd5aner: | marc-us-tx: much appreciated, thanks |
| [19:56:36] | marc-us-tx: | No prob. |
| [19:57:00] | marc-us-tx: | Now, If I'll just remember!!! |
| [19:57:03] | marc-us-tx: | ;) |
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| [20:05:54] | marc-us-tx: | skd5aner: Holy bat guano those channel plus units are pricey retail. Try two chanel master 8-way 4db splitter amps. feed these from a good quality two-way passive splitter/combiner. |
| [20:06:14] | marc-us-tx: | anywho, I'll get then name of the one in the av closet tonight. |
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| [20:07:30] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: I have an 8 port splitter from PCT, which I bought on the advice of the Hauppauge guys, who allegedly use them in their setups at work |
| [20:07:39] | iamlindoro: | This one, in fact: http://cgi.ebay.com/PCT-8-PORT-CABLE-TV-SIGNA . . . ht_579wt_907 |
| [20:07:52] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: oooooh, thanks! |
| [20:08:02] | iamlindoro: | Super sturdy, works fantastically, and came with a good recommendation to me |
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| [20:08:04] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [20:08:21] | skd5aner: | I'm assuming the amplification is set (non-adjustable)? |
| [20:08:35] | iamlindoro: | correct |
| [20:08:58] | skd5aner: | also, multidirectional? |
| [20:09:10] | iamlindoro: | Yes, multi-directional, and +4.5dB on each port |
| [20:09:15] | skd5aner: | woot, nice |
| [20:09:17] | marc-us-tx: | there you go |
| [20:09:39] | marc-us-tx: | my reporting obligation is removed |
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| [20:09:53] | skd5aner: | heh, still would be curious as to what you've been running too |
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| [20:12:06] | marc-us-tx: | In fact that looks identical to the channel master CM-3418 |
| [20:13:08] | marc-us-tx: | Sure thing skd5aner, I can't recall which one it is off hand but I can check tonight. |
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| [20:37:41] | kormoc: | sphery, another one for your compression toolkit, http://www.zlib.net/pigz/ |
| [20:38:00] | sphery: | pigz... |
| [20:38:01] | sphery: | wow |
| [20:38:19] | sphery: | parallel gzip... interesting. Very fast compression, now made parallel. |
| [20:38:34] | sphery: | wonder why it's not pagz or pegz |
| [20:38:49] | sphery: | oh, "parallel implementatoin of gzip" |
| [20:39:04] | iamlindoro: | pigz is parallel gzip |
| [20:39:11] | iamlindoro: | Recursive acronyms FTW! |
| [20:39:15] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:39:17] | sphery: | that works, too |
| [20:39:38] | iamlindoro: | oh, I guess it'dt be Pigz is Gzip, parallel |
| [20:39:40] | sid3windr: | pipg |
| [20:39:41] | sid3windr: | :p |
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| [20:39:51] | sphery: | oh, yeah, extra p |
| [20:39:53] | sid3windr: | that's pigp. |
| [20:39:53] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [20:40:08] | iamlindoro: | not if you parenthesize the parallel and use the two letters from gzip |
| [20:40:13] | sid3windr: | =) |
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| [20:41:58] | kormoc: | and http://compression.ca/pbzip2/ for parallel bzip2! |
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| [20:42:23] | sphery: | cool |
| [20:42:55] | iamlindoro: | Why no limit it to 2 cores, then it can be bibz |
| [20:43:23] | kormoc: | ooh! |
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| [20:43:51] | sphery: | the most annoying thing about bzip2 is the 2 |
| [20:44:15] | sphery: | not that bzip1 was a terrible thing--I'm sure it was... Just that a product name with a number in it is annoying |
| [20:44:16] | sid3windr: | you can just call it bzip, too. ;> |
| [20:44:32] | sphery: | yeah, like I can call it "linux" |
| [20:44:37] | ** sphery doesn't roll that way ** | |
| [20:44:43] | Wicked: | hello all. anyone in here know of any kinda api or something to query for what shows are on tv tonight? |
| [20:44:54] | sphery: | GNU/Linux unless I'm talking about the Linux kernel :) |
| [20:45:06] | kormoc: | Wicked, use the xml interface to query the guide |
| [20:45:14] | sphery: | or mythweb |
| [20:45:21] | sphery: | (which has a whole UI) |
| [20:45:41] | sphery: | of course, kormoc doesn't like MythWeb, so he'd just use MythXML |
| [20:45:48] | kormoc: | it's true |
| [20:45:50] | Wicked: | well im looking to make add a !whatson trigger to a irc bot of mine...looking for some kinda interface to show what shows are on...not nessisarily shows im recording. |
| [20:46:06] | kormoc: | Wicked, like I said, use the xml interface and query the guide |
| [20:46:07] | sid3windr: | sphery: "bzip, too" .. ;] |
| [20:46:16] | sphery: | Wicked: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/323174#323174 |
| [20:46:16] | Wicked: | hmm. |
| [20:46:34] | Wicked: | ok ill look that over thanks |
| [20:46:55] | sphery: | Wicked: note that the bug mentioned (#4956) has been fixed for a while, now, so it grabs the shows you expect |
| [20:47:01] | sphery: | (all those overlapping the times you specify) |
| [20:47:25] | Wicked: | ah ok. cool. |
| [20:47:39] | Wicked: | not sure this is exactly what i want...but still very cool for other things :) |
| [20:47:41] | sphery: | oh, and "bug" here just means, "The API was designed differently from user expectations, so it was modified to work as the users wanted instead of as the developer thought best." :) |
| [20:48:23] | sphery: | Wicked: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_upcoming_recordings.pl could be used to show just what's going to be recorded |
| [20:48:30] | Wicked: | i was more looking for a consolidated xml feed with popular shows.... not a list of every single thing on. Something where people could do "!whatson" and it would print out the primetime shows that night. |
| [20:48:48] | Wicked: | ah yea. this isnt really for just myself. |
| [20:48:51] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: what language is the bot written in? |
| [20:48:58] | Wicked: | the only one i know. java |
| [20:49:01] | Wicked: | :) |
| [20:49:06] | wagnerrp: | cant help you with that |
| [20:49:08] | ** Wicked waits for insults ** | |
| [20:49:09] | Wicked: | lol |
| [20:49:22] | kormoc: | Wicked, uhh... popular stuff is kinda up to each person, you might just want to query the networks during primetime guide data |
| [20:49:26] | Wicked: | ah. well im just looking around for a xml feed of sorts. |
| [20:49:38] | sphery: | wouldn't defining the list of popular stuff be just as easy in your Java code as in MythtV proper |
| [20:49:40] | kormoc: | query channels 1005 1006 and 1007 for 7 to 9pm monday to friday |
| [20:49:42] | sphery: | because it's very specific |
| [20:49:55] | kormoc: | Wicked, and no, there's not gonna be anything like that available for free to use |
| [20:49:57] | Wicked: | yea. well ive seen irc scripts before that show what shows are on...not sure if the person is querying something in realtime...or if its simply a list of shows and days the shows are on |
| [20:50:10] | sphery: | so just use some JAX to read the XML and put it into your own objects that you then filter based on <criteria> |
| [20:50:20] | kormoc: | they're likely scraping websites illegally |
| [20:50:32] | Wicked: | could be. |
| [20:50:35] | Wicked: | i really do not know |
| [20:50:40] | sphery: | I have to wonder why this would have applicability in IRC, though |
| [20:50:54] | Wicked: | i found this: but its not xml..or json...or anything i recognize heeh http://services.tvrage.com/tools/quickschedule.php |
| [20:50:59] | sphery: | maybe for the new IRC-based OS you're creating |
| [20:51:08] | sphery: | where everything is just an IRC script... |
| [20:51:24] | kormoc: | Wicked, it's called formatted plain text |
| [20:51:26] | Wicked: | discussion of tv and movie channels....its just kinda nice to have something like this. |
| [20:51:29] | Wicked: | yea |
| [20:51:56] | Wicked: | im sure i could make a parser if i wanted. but figured id ask around to see if there was any kinda xml/json interface out there. |
| [20:52:20] | wagnerrp: | xmltv |
| [20:52:57] | sphery: | http://www.shapeshifter.se/code/eggdrop-xmltv/ |
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| [20:53:48] | Wicked: | ah. cool. |
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| [20:56:00] | borei: | hi all |
| [20:56:08] | borei: | just installed 0.24rc |
| [20:56:20] | borei: | backend is not happy about capture card |
| [20:56:25] | borei: | but i don't have it |
| [20:56:45] | sphery: | don't have the capture card it doesn't like? |
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| [20:57:10] | sphery: | if so, capture card portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [20:57:22] | borei: | lol, backend is not happy that i don't have capture card |
| [20:57:30] | sphery: | oh, don't have any |
| [20:57:43] | sphery: | yeah, use of a card-less mythbackend isn't supported |
| [20:57:53] | sphery: | (yet) |
| [20:58:11] | borei: | hmm, strange |
| [20:58:18] | borei: | how did i use 0.23 |
| [20:58:28] | sphery: | because you were using an unsupported configuration\ |
| [20:58:37] | sphery: | likely because the users on the -users list told you to |
| [20:58:48] | sphery: | after the developers on the -users list said it's unsupported |
| [20:58:53] | sphery: | at least that's how it normally happens |
| [20:59:11] | borei: | how to use unsupported config for 0.24 |
| [20:59:37] | sphery: | anyway, what specific errors are you getting? Please post the full logs from a single attempt to start mythbackend at http://mythtv.pastebin.com/ |
| [20:59:38] | borei: | i don't remember that i did special tricks with 0.23 |
| [21:00:07] | borei: | just scheduler error no capture card |
| [21:00:42] | sphery: | I don't see "just scheduler error no capture card" anywhere in the source code |
| [21:00:49] | sphery: | perhaps that's not "the full logs from a single attempt to start mythbackend" |
| [21:01:05] | borei: | pastebin server crashed |
| [21:01:27] | sphery: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/ seems to be working for me |
| [21:01:45] | borei: | my bad |
| [21:01:48] | borei: | i was on org |
| [21:02:01] | sphery: | ah, yeah, there are a lot of them |
| [21:02:17] | sphery: | I've never liked .org because it seems it's hacked to display some NSFW ads /very/ frequently |
| [21:02:53] | sid3windr: | maybe that's what it was designed for, not hacked;) |
| [21:03:41] | kormoc: | .org(y) |
| [21:03:51] | sphery: | heh, could be |
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| [21:16:35] | wagnerrp: | new tube free toilet paper... because that little roll of cardboard was destroying the environment |
| [21:17:03] | sphery: | heh, does it require everyone to throw away their existing dispensers? |
| [21:17:24] | wagnerrp: | no, but if the inside starts to unravel, youre screwed |
| [21:17:40] | sphery: | but then it could be used on a toilet-paper capstan |
| [21:17:42] | kormoc: | but but but, toilet paper is destroying the environment |
| [21:17:57] | wagnerrp: | it will not work with my parent's dispensor |
| [21:18:07] | sphery: | this is not your parent's toilet paper |
| [21:18:15] | wagnerrp: | it has a pair of spring loaded pegs that compress the center roll |
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| [21:18:26] | wagnerrp: | instead of having a plastic spindle that goes through it |
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| [21:18:57] | wagnerrp: | about 2/3 of the way through the roll, the remaining tp will just lose all structure and fall off the dispensor |
| [21:19:05] | iamlindoro: | So when you use the last bit, the pegs can fire off into your eyes |
| [21:19:07] | iamlindoro: | awesome |
| [21:19:29] | borei: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/2vGZv55T |
| [21:19:41] | borei: | sphery: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/2vGZv55T |
| [21:19:48] | wagnerrp: | borei: looks pretty descriptive to me |
| [21:19:49] | sphery: | borei: thanks |
| [21:19:55] | sphery: | borei: did you actually run mythtv-setup? |
| [21:20:01] | borei: | yup |
| [21:20:05] | sphery: | borei: and set your hostname and IP address and stuff |
| [21:20:17] | borei: | everything localhost |
| [21:20:33] | wagnerrp: | the backend will not operate without a capture card |
| [21:20:42] | wagnerrp: | if this is just for testing, you can create a dummy card |
| [21:20:43] | iamlindoro: | unsupported means we can't support it |
| [21:20:55] | iamlindoro: | meaning don't ask for support about your unsupported config |
| [21:20:57] | wagnerrp: | if this is for production, you may want to consider another media center program |
| [21:21:02] | borei: | can i use v4l device ? |
| [21:21:04] | sphery: | yeah, looks like the unsupported case is actually non-functional, now |
| [21:21:06] | borei: | usb camera |
| [21:21:07] | sphery: | (yay!) |
| [21:21:24] | sphery: | that would work, too |
| [21:21:27] | borei: | dcool |
| [21:21:28] | wagnerrp: | borei: is this for testing? or production? |
| [21:21:29] | borei: | cool |
| [21:21:38] | borei: | for home |
| [21:21:43] | sphery: | or are you using just the plugins in mythfrontend? |
| [21:21:44] | borei: | testing-production |
| [21:21:55] | borei: | mostly mythfrontend |
| [21:21:56] | sphery: | i.e. MythVideo/MythMusic/MythGaller/... |
| [21:21:59] | wagnerrp: | so you have tuner cards, you just dont have a spare one for this test box? |
| [21:22:09] | borei: | nope |
| [21:22:19] | borei: | it's one of the best to play movie |
| [21:22:22] | wagnerrp: | if you have no tuner cards, you may want to consider something other than mythtv |
| [21:22:39] | borei: | keeping movie labrary, home video, pictures and so on |
| [21:22:49] | borei: | no no no |
| [21:22:52] | borei: | i like it |
| [21:22:56] | sphery: | or you could just get a nice little TV tuner card |
| [21:23:03] | borei: | and i was really happy with it |
| [21:23:04] | sphery: | and then have a /great/ setup for TV and all the rest |
| [21:23:16] | sphery: | in the future, we will support tunerless backends |
| [21:23:24] | sphery: | but it's likely to be the semi-distant future |
| [21:23:28] | sphery: | not likely 0.25 |
| [21:23:31] | borei: | there is nothing to watch on tv |
| [21:23:49] | sphery: | that's what I thought until I set up a MythTV box with capture cards |
| [21:23:56] | borei: | so to solve my problem i'll go with v4l capture card |
| [21:23:56] | sphery: | now I have 12.5TB of storage |
| [21:24:02] | sphery: | and over 1360 unwatched recordings |
| [21:24:12] | borei: | not too bad |
| [21:24:14] | sphery: | and that's over-the-air TV only (no cable or satellite) |
| [21:24:21] | borei: | i have 2Tb movies |
| [21:24:42] | wagnerrp: | those are big movies |
| [21:25:10] | borei: | all 1080p |
| [21:25:18] | borei: | well 80% |
| [21:25:24] | kormoc: | borei, you should be able to just setup a fake card that doesn't even exist and the backend will start |
| [21:25:26] | borei: | some in 720 |
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| [21:25:36] | wagnerrp: | of course they are, movies are only available for purchase as 480p or 1080p |
| [21:26:03] | borei: | ok, now getting next error |
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| [21:26:57] | Beirdo: | error: 'INT_MAX' was not declared in this scope |
| [21:27:01] | Beirdo: | booo. hisss. |
| [21:27:08] | Beirdo: | stupid clucene |
| [21:27:11] | borei: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/ELKLSa9U |
| [21:27:24] | borei: | no chanel sources |
| [21:27:28] | wagnerrp: | that looks like the same error |
| [21:27:38] | wagnerrp: | oh... it is, i needed to scroll down |
| [21:27:45] | wagnerrp: | yes, just like mythtv needs capture cards |
| [21:27:49] | iamlindoro: | You need to do all the steps of mythtv-setup, not just create a card |
| [21:27:55] | iamlindoro: | And you really *should* read the instructions |
| [21:27:56] | wagnerrp: | it needs channel sources to use with those cards |
| [21:28:02] | sphery: | borei: you will need a valid video source (No Grabber) with a valid channel (just define any) connected to a valid input on a valid capture card |
| [21:28:05] | wagnerrp: | and it needs those sources to be mapped to inputs on those cards |
| [21:28:08] | kormoc: | heh, I forgot we cared on startup |
| [21:28:28] | sphery: | we never stop caring... from startup to shutdown |
| [21:28:35] | sphery: | the new kinder, gentler MythTV |
| [21:28:54] | borei: | looks like i need to create a lot of fake configs |
| [21:29:01] | Beirdo: | I'm no frigging Care Bear |
| [21:30:08] | sphery: | borei: and use /bin/true as the channel change script for your card |
| [21:30:36] | sphery: | Beirdo: now I want gummy bears |
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| [21:32:10] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: whats wrong with care bears? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9-LLy_uJn0#t=0m25s |
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| [21:34:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, how much extra do you think they charge to not give you the cardboard tube |
| [21:34:52] | sphery: | (which, btw, makes a great cord holder for power tools) |
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| [21:47:08] | Beirdo: | ooooh, new monitors |
| [21:48:41] | wagnerrp: | new monitors? |
| [21:48:45] | thefRont: | just a quick question about revisions... |
| [21:49:00] | Beirdo: | at work... got widescreens now |
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| [21:49:29] | wagnerrp: | sphery: what did you use to map out that schema? |
| [21:49:42] | thefRont: | server is running mythbackend r24158 and I'm downloading mythfrontend r25174 for win32 |
| [21:49:42] | wagnerrp: | some special program? or just a image editor? |
| [21:49:48] | thefRont: | will it work together? ;) |
| [21:49:58] | thefRont: | both versions are 0.23-fixes |
| [21:50:04] | wagnerrp: | thefRont: no, upgrade your backend |
| [21:50:09] | wagnerrp: | only the latter version is 0.23-fixes |
| [21:50:11] | thefRont: | but I know there can be protocol version mismatches |
| [21:50:36] | wagnerrp: | the former is a buggy pre-release that came with mythbuntu 10.04 |
| [21:50:55] | wagnerrp: | and you must run the same backend protocol and schema on all connected machines |
| [21:51:00] | thefRont: | I tried r25457 before and it gave me a protocol version mismatch (frontend: 23056, backend: 56) |
| [21:51:09] | brienna: | are there pre-built windows frontend builds somewhere? =) |
| [21:51:14] | thefRont: | yes |
| [21:51:22] | Beirdo: | this is like having 3 monitors instead of 2 :) |
| [21:52:18] | thefRont: | wagnerrp: if I upgrade the backend, will there be any problems with the current database structure or can I use the current database without any problems? |
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| [21:52:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: druid |
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| [21:53:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://druid.sourceforge.net/ |
| [21:54:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: The UI leaves something to be desired, but it works |
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| [21:54:56] | sphery: | just have to get to know how--I /highly/ recommend reading the tutorial in Druid/docs/manuals/tutorials.pdf |
| [21:55:01] | thefRont: | anyway, I might be lucky. I'm running mythfrontend r25363 on my machine and it works great so far. so mythfrontend r25174 might work as well |
| [21:56:50] | sphery: | thefRont: http://www.mythtv.org/download where you find a link, "list of available third party packages," which takes you to list of available third party packages , which has Windows at bottom |
| [21:56:54] | thefRont: | btw, the pre-build win32 releases can be found here: http://members.iinet.net.au/~davco/downloads.html |
| [21:57:19] | sphery: | thefRont: you need to pay attention to the difference between 0.23 and 0.23.1 |
| [21:57:23] | sphery: | as they're non-compatible |
| [21:57:38] | sphery: | and the reason for your "protocol version mismatch (frontend: 23056, backend: 56)" |
| [21:58:00] | sphery: | my recommendation is to run 0.23.1+ everywhere (i.e. 0.23-fixes from after 0.23.1) |
| [21:58:49] | thefRont: | sphery: yep, got that ;) |
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| [22:00:18] | thefRont: | btw, any plans switching to git? ;) |
| [22:00:19] | skd5aner: | 138MB for the windows download |
| [22:00:20] | skd5aner: | wow |
| [22:00:22] | sphery: | wagnerrp: btw, if you find something better than Druid, please let me know |
| [22:00:31] | thefRont: | skd5aner: yep. they are huge |
| [22:00:41] | sphery: | skd5aner: heh, well they have to include a real operating system underneath mythtv |
| [22:00:43] | thefRont: | and the sharehosters hosting the files are slooooooooow |
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| [22:00:59] | sphery: | windows -> some posix layer -> mythtv |
| [22:01:00] | sphery: | :) |
| [22:01:13] | thefRont: | sphery: includes qt and everything else needed to run mythtv without installing extra software |
| [22:01:18] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [22:01:20] | sphery: | Qt is huge |
| [22:01:23] | thefRont: | it's an "install and run" package so to speak |
| [22:01:26] | skd5aner: | I thought that the package script downloaded all the packages individually? I suppose this guy bundld everything already? |
| [22:01:40] | sphery: | nearly a full gigabyte when you include example apps and debug symbols |
| [22:01:41] | thefRont: | yep |
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| [22:01:53] | sphery: | (that being the compiled version--not the tarball) |
| [22:01:59] | thefRont: | I tried compiling mythtv for win32 once |
| [22:02:30] | sphery: | only about 333MB when you remove the debug symbols :) |
| [22:02:32] | thefRont: | at some point the whole build directory was about 2gb large |
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| [22:02:50] | thefRont: | or even larger |
| [22:02:55] | sphery: | yeah, my OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 compile hit >6GiB |
| [22:02:56] | thefRont: | I can't remember |
| [22:03:08] | sphery: | and Qt hits >2GiB |
| [22:03:22] | sphery: | good thing disk space is cheap these days |
| [22:03:23] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro, wagnerrp: should this page (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_distros) potentially be rolled into this page (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Packages)? |
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| [22:03:29] | thefRont: | but I got stuck at some point. had problems compiling qt and I didn't have a clue how to fix it |
| [22:03:41] | sphery: | yeah, I wouldn't want to attempt it on Windows |
| [22:03:47] | thefRont: | so I dropped it. |
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| [22:04:17] | thefRont: | now I'm trying one of the pre-built win32 releases so I can use mythtv on my laptop, too |
| [22:07:31] | brienna: | thefRont: where are you finding pre-built win32 releases? i haven't been able to find any :( |
| [22:08:27] | thefRont: | hooray |
| [22:08:29] | thefRont: | it works :) |
| [22:08:32] | sphery: | brienna: 10.27 17:56:50 <+sphery> thefRont: http://www.mythtv.org/download where you find a link, "list of available third party packages," which takes you to list of available third party packages , which has Windows at bottom |
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| [22:08:50] | thefRont: | and I posted almost the same link, too |
| [22:09:23] | sphery: | yes, but I wanted to let brienna catch the fish |
| [22:09:33] | sphery: | :) |
| [22:09:41] | brienna: | maybe i'm being daft... that link says "There are no known pre-built versions of MythTV for Windows yet" |
| [22:09:54] | thefRont: | well |
| [22:09:54] | brienna: | that's why i asked again :) |
| [22:09:55] | thefRont: | try that one |
| [22:09:56] | thefRont: | http://members.iinet.net.au/~davco/ |
| [22:10:08] | kormoc: | brienna, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Packages |
| [22:10:31] | brienna: | checking =) |
| [22:10:47] | sphery: | brienna: are you seeing those words at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Packages? |
| [22:10:58] | sphery: | if so, we likely need to clear the stupid wiki cache |
| [22:11:33] | sphery: | it definitely says, "Though they are not as completely functional as on other platforms, installer packages are available for MS Windows." when you're logged in |
| [22:11:38] | kormoc: | sphery, it's on the download page |
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| [22:11:51] | sphery: | kormoc: I know |
| [22:11:53] | kormoc: | sphery, http://www.mythtv.org/download "There are no known pre-built versions of MythTV for Windows yet." |
| [22:11:57] | brienna: | sphery: no, just at http://www.mythtv.org/download |
| [22:11:58] | sphery: | oh, that's on download |
| [22:11:59] | sphery: | got it |
| [22:12:08] | sphery: | yeah, download page isn't up to date |
| [22:12:42] | sphery: | though my instructions for finding it still work |
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| [22:12:57] | brienna: | should someone be notified to update that page? |
| [22:13:01] | sphery: | unfortunately, some may stop before completing my instructions due to that out-of-datedness in the download page |
| [22:13:22] | sphery: | IMHO, we should just make Download go to the wiki page :) |
| [22:13:41] | brienna: | sphery: i would agree, who do we ask to do that? |
| [22:13:43] | sphery: | since people really shouldn't be using the tarballs |
| [22:13:54] | kormoc: | sphery, you have the power to fix it! ;) |
| [22:14:12] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, no, I would prefer not to, since Packages is linked from the download page |
| [22:14:15] | sphery: | kormoc: I don't think I have the keys to any of the web stuff. |
| [22:14:21] | kormoc: | sphery, you do |
| [22:14:25] | kormoc: | you just don't know how |
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| [22:14:43] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, or at least, the distros page could probably just be nuked |
| [22:14:45] | sphery: | heh, that's true |
| [22:14:50] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: k, I wasn't sure if maybe the other one should just be blown away and redirected to the "Packages" page |
| [22:15:02] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: yea, that's what I was kind of getting at |
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| [22:16:21] | sphery: | skd5aner: maybe we could do something about http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/External_Links#Myt . . . _.2F_Distros page, though |
| [22:17:00] | sphery: | wonder how many of those are woefully out of date |
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| [22:17:43] | skd5aner: | well, I can already tell you some of them are at least 5 years old (xebian) just but looking at them |
| [22:17:51] | skd5aner: | s/but/by |
| [22:17:56] | sphery: | wow |
| [22:17:59] | skd5aner: | plutohome... heh |
| [22:18:20] | sphery: | which is now superceded by LMCE, right? |
| [22:18:28] | skd5aner: | btw, anyone every play with LinuxMCE? They still going strong? |
| [22:18:31] | Beirdo: | cmake... is icky yucky BLECH! |
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| [22:18:46] | skd5aner: | sphery: yes, as far as I know, their hardware is supported in LMCE |
| [22:18:56] | sphery: | Beirdo: +1--and it's /really/ annoying how many projects are switching to it |
| [22:19:29] | Beirdo: | clucene (from git) is using it |
| [22:19:52] | Beirdo: | and I've decided to suck their code into beirdobot as it's so... poorly packaged |
| [22:19:55] | sphery: | they should get a cluecene |
| [22:19:58] | skd5aner: | I mean, I've kind of just glanced over LinuxMCE over the past few years without giving it a second look – but I can't lie, there are a few things that sound pretty sexy about it |
| [22:20:01] | Beirdo: | they should |
| [22:20:25] | skd5aner: | s/glanced/ignored |
| [22:20:43] | sphery: | skd5aner: I like that it's MythTV without the prettiness of the MythTV 0.21 UI (pre MythUI) |
| [22:21:00] | skd5aner: | is that the last sync?! (0.21)? |
| [22:21:10] | sphery: | so now, I suppose, we're 2 steps better than they are at UI |
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| [22:21:30] | sphery: | I don't know when they last synced, but they had a terrible, non-MythTV UI they slap on top of whatever's on screen |
| [22:21:40] | sphery: | last I saw, it wasn't even really themeable |
| [22:21:48] | sphery: | may have changed by now, though |
| [22:22:06] | sphery: | I was just saying that their UI was worse than 0.21's |
| [22:22:08] | skd5aner: | I'm sure the pure "mythtv experience" probably can't compare, but man I'd be really interested in some of the home automation stuff and integration to tv playback, I'm hoping that someone jumps on board the events subsystem and writes some cool stuff to enable HA with it |
| [22:22:41] | sphery: | what's to write? |
| [22:22:44] | skd5aner: | damn, I keep having typos... I'm sure "their" mythtv experience |
| [22:22:47] | sphery: | just run the script that does <whatever> |
| [22:23:15] | skd5aner: | sphery: heh, you talk like a developer ;) |
| [22:23:33] | sphery: | OK, so you're saying you need the scripts? |
| [22:23:44] | sphery: | just get some people motivated and post them at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:MythTV_System_Event_Scripts |
| [22:23:54] | ** Beirdo makes a script to trout-slap lusers ** | |
| [22:24:01] | sphery: | or even start up a project on Google Code/Sourceforge/... to do them |
| [22:24:15] | ** Beirdo votes for github ** | |
| [22:24:16] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:24:22] | sphery: | that's what it's called |
| [22:24:24] | skd5aner: | Yea, that's all I'm saying – I'm going to be excited when people start contributing to that :) |
| [22:24:32] | sphery: | was trying to remember that one and just punted with the ... |
| [22:24:40] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [22:24:44] | sphery: | cool |
| [22:24:47] | Beirdo: | github is where beirdobot lives |
| [22:25:01] | sphery: | yeah, just have to get people who have or are willing to buy the hardware excited about it |
| [22:26:04] | skd5aner: | Just saying – I've wired for HA, but don't have any controllers yet, because I don't quite know what I want to do, but enabling myth to be a part of that ecosystem would be sweet – I know the framework is there now with the system events, just waiting for someone to say "I want to hook that into my ELK (fill in the blank with various HA offering) system |
| [22:26:30] | skd5aner: | also... I don't have the cash to spend on the whole novelty of HA ;) |
| [22:26:44] | sphery: | yeah |
| [22:26:46] | dewman: | there is one guy on youtube that has posted a whole bunch of linuxmce vids... tschak909 i think... |
| [22:26:55] | sphery: | I know a guy who has some X10 relays, and I hate the clicks they make |
| [22:27:02] | skd5aner: | way high on the coolness scale, but doesn't rank at all on the "need to have to survive" scale |
| [22:27:15] | sphery: | I asked if he wanted to have his Myth box control them and he said, "Why? I have a remote." |
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| [22:28:26] | skd5aner: | I've got cat5 running to every switch in my house – for OnQ / ALC based lighting controls |
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| [22:28:48] | skd5aner: | so, when I'm ready, I can control any and everything – but man is it expensive per/switch |
| [22:29:33] | sphery: | wow, $75 for an On-Q light switch? |
| [22:30:06] | sphery: | those are RF, so maybe more expensive than ethernet ones... |
| [22:30:33] | ** Beirdo slaps clucene around the head a bit ** | |
| [22:30:41] | Beirdo: | "run ccmake .." |
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| [22:30:54] | Beirdo: | bash: ccmake: command not found |
| [22:31:05] | skd5aner: | sphery: no, sometimes $75–120, depending on swithc and capability |
| [22:31:26] | sphery: | wow |
| [22:31:40] | sphery: | I'll stick with the pre-installed switches on my walls |
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| [22:32:04] | Beirdo: | yeah, get off your duff and turn off the lights |
| [22:32:09] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [22:32:20] | Beirdo: | then get a beer or two that you bought with the money you just saved |
| [22:32:32] | skd5aner: | exactly... |
| [22:32:46] | sphery: | between that and the dual-boot Windows on my dev box killing WOL, I'll get some good exercise |
| [22:32:50] | skd5aner: | but, I'm wired should I ever choose to do so |
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| [22:33:03] | sphery: | (stupid Windows driver for the NIC doesn't support enabling WOL except from suspend) |
| [22:33:58] | skd5aner: | and honestly, non HA-dimmers cost between $15–50, I just put in some last week $12 on sale, $24 regularly, and the 1000W one I needed I had to order and it was $40MSRP and that's not even the "digital" ones, just an analog slider and a switch |
| [22:34:40] | sphery: | 1000W... |
| [22:35:17] | sphery: | wow, running a live Fox 20th Century logo (complete with search lights) before the show? |
| [22:35:37] | skd5aner: | 2 bath vanitys |
| [22:35:45] | skd5aner: | 4 bulbs each, 100w bulbs |
| [22:36:14] | skd5aner: | Gets hot in the summer ;) |
| [22:36:23] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
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| [22:36:31] | skd5aner: | normal dimmers support up to 600W |
| [22:36:54] | skd5aner: | just had to get the next size up to support the 800Ws those two pull off that single switch |
| [22:37:08] | sphery: | wonder if it's possible to make grub flip the wol status of the nic... |
| [22:42:13] | sphery: | hmmm.... then again, maybe I should quit using WOL... http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_reduce_p . . . et_Controler <-- "If you don't use Wake-on-LAN, you should disable it for your network card, because it sucks a lot of power" |
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| [22:45:49] | ugliefrog: | how do i get schedules direct to refresh... |
| [22:46:00] | sphery: | refresh what? |
| [22:46:02] | sphery: | your lineup? |
| [22:46:06] | sphery: | your listings? |
| [22:46:12] | ugliefrog: | i cant see whats coming up next it says unknown |
| [22:46:23] | sphery: | mythtv says unknown? |
| [22:46:35] | ugliefrog: | the listings |
| [22:47:08] | sphery: | a) make sure you disable EIT on all the channels for which you're using Schedules Direct Data |
| [22:47:11] | ugliefrog: | watching tv...i hit s...see schedule..it says unknown next to channels |
| [22:47:15] | kormoc: | sphery, it's a whole .2 amps! http://www.intel.com/support/network/adapter/ . . . s-008438.htm |
| [22:47:31] | sphery: | b) make sure you configure the backend to automatically run mythfilldatabase for you when the listings provider suggests |
| [22:47:48] | kormoc: | sphery, that's a part of an amp! SO MUCH POWER! |
| [22:47:55] | sphery: | c) if you have sufficient master backend resources to do so, run mythfilldatabase with the --dd-grab-all argument |
| [22:48:15] | sphery: | kormoc: exactly... and imagine what my power company will charge me |
| [22:48:45] | sphery: | ugliefrog: see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/449426#449426 for more on --dd-grab-all |
| [22:49:21] | ugliefrog: | sphery, k...im looking at the link now |
| [22:49:43] | kormoc: | sphery, 1 kWh per 41.666... days! |
| [22:49:49] | sphery: | ugliefrog: are you just coming to the end of your subscription on Schedules Direct? |
| [22:50:21] | sphery: | kormoc: that's like $0.0029 per day! |
| [22:50:22] | ugliefrog: | sphery, I have until december |
| [22:50:38] | sphery: | ugliefrog: and did you do something to your system that might have changed something? |
| [22:50:46] | sphery: | like upgrade or reconfigure your inputs or ... |
| [22:50:53] | sphery: | or is this a brand new setup? |
| [22:51:06] | ugliefrog: | sphery, Brand new setup |
| [22:51:09] | kormoc: | sphery, I'll send my 8 children to college by saving that! BOOYA! |
| [22:51:10] | sphery: | my above a, b, c was assuming it's a brand new setup |
| [22:51:13] | sphery: | so yeah, those should help |
| [22:51:46] | sphery: | kormoc: heh, I think you plan to be /very/ old when you first have kids |
| [22:52:00] | ugliefrog: | sphery, Nit today new..but few weeks new...however it worked fine couple weeks ago....but ill keep reading |
| [22:52:04] | kormoc: | The plan is to be dead and dust before any kids happen, so yeah :) |
| [22:52:26] | sphery: | ugliefrog: I have a feeling that you don't have mythbackend set up to run mythfilldatabase for you automatically |
| [22:52:38] | sphery: | ugliefrog: so you're just seeing the end of the 2-week download you got when you first set it up |
| [22:53:02] | ugliefrog: | sphery, hopefully its a simple click here in the backend |
| [22:53:40] | sphery: | ugliefrog: use mythtv-setup to enable "Automatically run mythfilldatabase" in General settings (last page or so) |
| [22:55:08] | sphery: | clever / kenni : FWIW, the man page is a nice easy way to find the magic file... |
| [22:55:47] | sphery: | (and instructions on how to compile a new one |
| [22:56:40] | sphery: | though if you prefer strace... |
| [22:58:18] | kenni: | sphery: clever: I'm not looking for the magic file, I found that one with "man file" before I asked the question, I'm trying to figure out why one file is identified as text/x-pascal instead of text/plain, when it uses the same syntax as other text/plain files |
| [22:58:44] | kenni: | sphery: file -i trunk/mythplugins/mythweb/modules/_shared/lang/*.lang |
| [22:58:45] | sphery: | ah, you're looking for the actual magic identifier within it |
| [22:58:54] | kenni: | exactly |
| [22:59:10] | sphery: | why do you need file to be able to tell that it's a mythweb language file? |
| [22:59:21] | sphery: | kormoc: is there some PHP name for that format? |
| [22:59:26] | clever: | sphery: ah, nice, didnt think to check that |
| [22:59:32] | kormoc: | no, it's xris' entirely custom one |
| [22:59:39] | kormoc: | I keep meaning to look into migrating to .po files |
| [22:59:46] | kormoc: | I have a feeling it might be faster |
| [22:59:48] | sphery: | ooh, cool |
| [22:59:50] | kormoc: | and less memory |
| [22:59:52] | kenni: | I don't, but I'm fixing the encoding, so I wanted to fix the mime-type while I was at it |
| [22:59:55] | sphery: | would probably help a lot of translators, too |
| [23:00:00] | kormoc: | yeah, exactly |
| [23:00:02] | sphery: | and fewer custom tools required |
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| [23:00:37] | kenni: | it's ONLY the Swedish one, the rest of them are fine |
| [23:01:04] | sphery: | heh, even on 0.23-fixes |
| [23:01:17] | kormoc: | kenni, where are you seeing this mime type? |
| [23:01:25] | sphery: | file modules/_shared/lang/Swedish.lang |
| [23:01:25] | sphery: | modules/_shared/lang/Swedish.lang: UTF-8 Unicode Pascal program text |
| [23:01:34] | kenni: | add -i |
| [23:01:44] | sid3windr: | pascal program text :D |
| [23:01:47] | kenni: | file -i |
| [23:01:51] | sphery: | it's guessing |
| [23:01:57] | sphery: | file modules/_shared/lang/English.lang |
| [23:01:57] | sphery: | modules/_shared/lang/English.lang: ASCII English text, with very long lines |
| [23:02:01] | sphery: | shows ASCII |
| [23:02:12] | kormoc: | with very long lines? nice |
| [23:02:22] | sphery: | modules/_shared/lang/Polish.lang: UTF-8 Unicode English text |
| [23:03:07] | ugliefrog: | sphery, ty...clicked it and boom baby im back in business....ty very much...have a coffee on me |
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| [23:03:35] | sphery: | ugliefrog: cool. Consider using --dd-grab-all (which you set as the mythfilldatabase arguments setting in the same page) if your backend can handle it |
| [23:04:18] | sphery: | ugliefrog: it will download all 14 days of listings every day--in a way that's less strain on the servers than the default of downloading only tomorrow and +13--so you'd always have the most up-to-date listings |
| [23:04:43] | ugliefrog: | sphery, Is it something I type in? |
| [23:04:57] | sphery: | ugliefrog: into the mythfilldatabase arguments setting text box |
| [23:05:11] | sphery: | ugliefrog: but you need to test it on the command line, first, to make sure it runs in a reasonable time |
| [23:05:19] | sphery: | if it's more than 10min or so, you may not want to use it |
| [23:05:26] | wagnerrp: | aww... java? |
| [23:05:32] | sphery: | and might want to try again in 0.24 when it's released |
| [23:05:44] | ugliefrog: | sphery, hmm...its that taxing |
| [23:05:46] | kormoc: | kenni, yeah, fixing that will be hard |
| [23:05:53] | sphery: | ugliefrog: depends on a ton of factors |
| [23:06:07] | kormoc: | kenni, I'll try to get the .po file migration figured out sooner then later |
| [23:06:07] | sphery: | ugliefrog: but it's something that you need to try first before just enabling it :) |
| [23:06:23] | ugliefrog: | sphery, lol...I understand its not making toast |
| [23:08:17] | kenni: | kormoc: It really doesn't matter, the info is purely kosmetic AFAICT, I just wanted to see if I could fix it while fixing the encoding...but whitespace cleanup etc, haven't done the job, so it's "something else" |
| [23:08:37] | sphery: | clever: turns out the file -v also shows the magic file location |
| [23:08:38] | kormoc: | kenni, it's the magic fingerprinting that file does |
| [23:08:58] | kormoc: | kenni, if we changed the order of some strings, it'll figure it out correctly |
| [23:09:08] | wagnerrp: | sphery: checking outz druid, thanks |
| [23:09:14] | kormoc: | (by figure it out, I mean no longer match the wrong mimetype) |
| [23:09:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: it's quite possible these db gurus know of a better app |
| [23:10:53] | kormoc: | automatic database tools? THE NERVE! |
| [23:11:01] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: any particular took you prefer for mapping out schemas? |
| [23:11:04] | ** kormoc puts on his dba wizard hat and mutters about kids these days ** | |
| [23:11:14] | sphery: | heh, from man 1 file: BUGS\nThe support for text files (primarily for programming languages) is simplistic, inefficient and requires recompilation to update. |
| [23:11:30] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, sadly there's really no good ones. I hand make them when I want/need them |
| [23:11:31] | kenni: | kormoc: Anyway, thanks, but why do you want to convert the translation files into .po? Currently, I think a simple *.h file like the themestrings.h files would be much more beneficial to the translators... |
| [23:11:55] | sphery: | kormoc: :( I was hoping you new of a better one than http://druid.sourceforge.net/ |
| [23:11:58] | kormoc: | kenni, because we can compile the po files and efficiently use them |
| [23:12:02] | sphery: | it works, but it's pretty basic |
| [23:12:18] | kenni: | kormoc: so it's for runtime performance? |
| [23:12:31] | sphery: | also, all the GNU tools for working with po files would be available |
| [23:12:39] | kormoc: | aye, and the tools are pretty awesome |
| [23:12:58] | kormoc: | fuzzy string matching, marking translations that need updated rather then having them go poof, etc |
| [23:13:11] | sphery: | yeah, granted I don't know much about translation in general, but I think the GNU tools make the Qt ones look like garbage |
| [23:13:30] | kormoc: | I've done a fair bit with poedit and have been extremely happy |
| [23:13:47] | kormoc: | being able to import and merge po files is awesome |
| [23:14:03] | sphery: | but it may be possible to work out an approach that allows translators to use a single tool for all the translations and then split out the MythWeb ones for po creation |
| [23:14:19] | ** kormoc eyes opentranslations.org and sighs ** | |
| [23:14:24] | kormoc: | I'm never gonna finish that |
| [23:14:38] | kormoc: | there's a dozen or two others that have launched and we can hook into if we wanted |
| [23:14:41] | kenni: | Hmm...yes, but then we'll have two completely different translation tools, instead of one translation tool and a .lang text file |
| [23:14:54] | kormoc: | allow folks to translate via the web and we can import them |
| [23:15:08] | kormoc: | kenni, erm... we have different translation tools now |
| [23:15:19] | kormoc: | kenni, po files are purely plain text too, just formatted little different |
| [23:15:27] | sphery: | kormoc: you should mention that to knightr --he's getting some pressure to implement online translations |
| [23:15:37] | kormoc: | kenni, you don't have to use a app other then a text editor to edit them |
| [23:16:07] | sphery: | (and since kenni is here, I'm assuming he noticed that :) |
| [23:16:21] | kenni: | yes, but using the same approach as the themestrings, would at least give us the same translation system, instead of introducing a new one |
| [23:16:39] | kormoc: | kenni, we're currently different |
| [23:16:44] | kenni: | we are |
| [23:16:55] | kormoc: | kenni, we have two customish solutions now, we'll just move to one standard and one custom |
| [23:16:55] | kenni: | which is SOOOO annoying :-D |
| [23:17:25] | kenni: | just look at the index at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Translation |
| [23:17:34] | ** wagnerrp tries to find some reason not to trash his old 10/100 NICs with no boot rom ** | |
| [23:18:03] | kenni: | we could cut that page in half if we replace the .lang files with some .h files together with linguist |
| [23:18:04] | knightr: | kenni, kormic, I think one of the tools support something that supposedly can be used with PHP |
| [23:18:06] | Beirdo: | they make nice lookin coasters |
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| [23:18:38] | sphery: | Beirdo: not too stable, though |
| [23:18:45] | sphery: | better paperweights, perhaps? |
| [23:18:46] | Beirdo: | hmm. good point |
| [23:18:50] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: yeah... those capacitors are a bit too small to balance a drink on |
| [23:19:08] | sphery: | could just be Beirdo's way of drinking in moderation |
| [23:19:11] | kormoc: | knightr, they all support po files, which is what I waht us to move to |
| [23:19:13] | kormoc: | *want us |
| [23:19:18] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:19:24] | wagnerrp: | 'random modem'... ive got that written on a post-it on the side of the AS bag |
| [23:19:26] | sphery: | po is about as standard as you can get |
| [23:19:28] | wagnerrp: | thats junked |
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| [23:19:31] | sphery: | gettext... |
| [23:19:31] | Beirdo: | moderation? not last weekend |
| [23:19:33] | sphery: | it's everywhere |
| [23:19:49] | kormoc: | kenni, the problem is if we use the .h files with the php files, we don't have tools to extract both set of strings at once |
| [23:20:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: think of the poor streams in China... |
| [23:20:03] | wagnerrp: | big old netgear NIC... doesnt even have the socket for a rom, just the solder points |
| [23:20:03] | kormoc: | kenni, so we can't remove unused strings easily anymore |
| [23:20:37] | clever: | 27 20:19:48 <+kormoc> kenni, the problem is if we use the .h files with the php files, we don't have tools to extract both set of strings at once |
| [23:20:40] | clever: | oops |
| [23:20:43] | ** clever kicks putty ** | |
| [23:21:03] | ** Beirdo gives clever the evil eye ** | |
| [23:21:06] | wagnerrp: | Rage Pro AGP |
| [23:21:07] | sphery: | heh, yeah, right-click paste is stupid |
| [23:21:09] | kenni: | kormoc, what do you mean by "both set of strings"? |
| [23:21:16] | wagnerrp: | sphery: seems im polluting streams in canada with that card |
| [23:21:31] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: not likely |
| [23:21:34] | clever: | sphery: its set to xterm style now, middle paste:) |
| [23:21:35] | kormoc: | kenni, we extract strings by source code analysis, not by hand |
| [23:21:37] | sphery: | wagnerrp: sending it back to ATI for recycling? |
| [23:21:41] | Beirdo: | Toronto's trash goes to Michigan |
| [23:21:57] | kormoc: | kenni, we can't use the QT string extraction tools for php code, nor can we use php extraction tools on the qt code |
| [23:22:26] | wagnerrp: | no, it said 'made in canada' |
| [23:22:37] | Beirdo: | so? :) |
| [23:22:43] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, but it's where it dies that counts |
| [23:22:50] | sphery: | or, gets buried |
| [23:22:51] | wagnerrp: | well it makes as much sense as claiming im polluting china |
| [23:23:01] | Beirdo: | and owned by AMD now... |
| [23:23:26] | kenni: | kormoc, I know, but we already have the Build_translations script, which extracts the strings, right? Instead of putting it in English.lang, Danish.lang, it should put it in string.h as ThemeUI::tr("Translate this string"); |
| [23:23:44] | knightr: | kormoc, http://php5.phpmagazine.net/2005/12/phpqt_the . . . h_php5.html, not sure what it supports though... |
| [23:24:18] | kormoc: | knightr, yeah, we're not gonna make the users compile static php-qt bridges for mythweb |
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| [23:24:34] | wagnerrp: | 2x512MB of DDR2? shame... could have used some DDR1 |
| [23:24:35] | Beirdo: | gah |
| [23:24:43] | kormoc: | kenni, why not just port mythbackend to use po and get the benefit of standards for both? |
| [23:24:48] | knightr: | kormoc, sorry, hadn't read it in depts... |
| [23:25:20] | wagnerrp: | ooh, a Riva TNT... didnt know i still had that one |
| [23:25:34] | Beirdo: | make it into a boomerang |
| [23:25:35] | kenni: | kormoc: I've got nothing against moving to po...but if/when we do the move, we should do it for mythweb AND for everything else |
| [23:25:40] | knightr: | kormoc, po doesn't seem to support everything qt does so I'm not sure there would be a big gain in doing that... |
| [23:25:48] | kormoc: | knightr, such as? |
| [23:26:06] | kenni: | kormoc, I just want the same system to be used for translations |
| [23:26:08] | kormoc: | we currently run into plenty of issues with incorrect handling of plurals right now |
| [23:26:21] | kormoc: | which using po files would fix |
| [23:26:22] | knightr: | disambiguation strings are used for lookups (in addition to context and string) and I don't think po supports that... |
| [23:26:33] | kormoc: | example? |
| [23:27:24] | kenni: | kormoc: do we have issues with plurals right now? In that case we should fix them, I think I'm aware of one, but it's only cosmetical. |
| [23:27:34] | kormoc: | kenni, in mythweb |
| [23:27:35] | wagnerrp: | 5-port U160 backplane anyone? |
| [23:27:38] | kenni: | kormoc: ahh |
| [23:27:46] | kormoc: | kenni, we only support 1/plural, not the multiple ones |
| [23:28:03] | kormoc: | kenni, if we moved mythweb to the qt one, I'd have to write the entire qt translation engine in php |
| [23:28:08] | kormoc: | that's a lot of work |
| [23:28:13] | knightr: | RecStatusChar rsTooManyRecordings in QObject for the frontend... |
| [23:28:20] | kormoc: | vs using the extremely standard, well tested gettext routines |
| [23:28:45] | clever: | kormoc: does gettext have both a c++ and a php api? |
| [23:28:45] | knightr: | kormoc, we don't support the pauscal one for Polish? |
| [23:28:49] | kenni: | kormoc: we don't need the binary qm files for mythweb...we can just extract them from the .ts files, which is XML files |
| [23:28:55] | kormoc: | clever, yex |
| [23:28:57] | kenni: | them=the translations |
| [23:29:04] | kormoc: | knightr, not mythweb, no |
| [23:29:09] | clever: | kormoc: what about just using gettext for everything? |
| [23:29:28] | kormoc: | kenni, ugh, but then mythweb still fails to support all the features |
| [23:29:56] | knightr: | kormoc, OK I thought you meant the Qt part as well (ie the frontend and the rest of the plugins...) |
| [23:29:56] | kormoc: | knightr, what about that string? |
| [23:30:28] | kormoc: | knightr, nope, but to fix the plurals and all that jazz... |
| [23:30:43] | kormoc: | it's a ton of work to do correctly, especially when it's already been done |
| [23:31:05] | kormoc: | knightr, is that an example of a disambiguation? what exactly does it do? |
| [23:31:09] | knightr: | kormoc, I have a better example |
| [23:31:13] | knightr: | <location filename="../libs/libmyth/programinfo.cpp" line="3794"/> |
| [23:31:13] | knightr: | <source>High Quality</source> |
| [23:31:13] | knightr: | <comment>Recording Profile High Quality</comment> |
| [23:31:32] | knightr: | High Quality is present two times... |
| [23:31:40] | kenni: | kormoc: What features are you thinking about? |
| [23:31:50] | knightr: | It needs a different translation in some cases of where it appears... |
| [23:32:08] | kormoc: | kenni, turkish uses a triple plural for example |
| [23:32:18] | kormoc: | knightr, right, which pos support |
| [23:32:19] | knightr: | the difference is made by the disambiguation strings (the comment, they put that there... :( ) |
| [23:32:23] | kenni: | kormoc: Uhh |
| [23:32:40] | knightr: | they both have context AND disambiguation string? |
| [23:33:19] | knightr: | one of the tools I looked at has problems with that because it was originally made to deal with POs... |
| [23:33:31] | kormoc: | knightr, yes, and source code files and lines |
| [23:33:57] | kormoc: | http://www.gnu.org/software/hello/manual/gettext/PO-Files.html |
| [23:34:16] | kormoc: | it's all up to the extractor how they pull in the disambiguation strings, but it'd be easily enough to port |
| [23:34:38] | kormoc: | kenni, Uhh what? it's true and we don't currently support triple plurals (in mythweb) |
| [23:35:23] | knightr: | kormoc, where? msgctxt? You would have to concatenate both to use that... |
| [23:35:44] | kenni: | kormoc: I didn't know about triple plural, so I do see your point |
| [23:36:00] | kormoc: | knightr, hrm? |
| [23:36:28] | kormoc: | the comment goes in as #. extracted comment |
| [23:36:40] | kenni: | kormoc: but essentially it's the same with all our themestrings |
| [23:36:42] | kormoc: | rather then in your xml format of <comment>blah</comment> |
| [23:37:09] | knightr: | You must use, when present, the context, the disambiguation string and the original string for the lookup, where would you store all that info in POs? |
| [23:37:57] | kormoc: | knightr, if it's a individual word, you use a disambiguation prefix ala noun|car or what not |
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| [23:38:30] | knightr: | kormoc, yes but's it's important to get the right translation... |
| [23:38:54] | wagnerrp: | aww... the drawer is slightly too large to fit an ATX board |
| [23:39:35] | knightr: | sound like to get what you need you would need to set msgctxt to Qt context + Qt disambiguation string |
| [23:39:42] | knightr: | s/soud/sounds |
| [23:41:32] | kormoc: | which sounds pretty doable? |
| [23:42:00] | kormoc: | I'm not entirely sure problem you're attempting to fix |
| [23:42:24] | knightr: | kormoc, it is doable but if it's for MythTV as a whole I don't see the advantage... If it's for MythWeb only yes I agree it is... |
| [23:43:14] | knightr: | kormoc, a problem that's present, context + original string is not unique (per translation file) in MythTV.... |
| [23:44:10] | knightr: | BTW, one of the tools I looked at can easily deal with both and the translators won't even notice... |
| [23:44:29] | knightr: | (both Qt ts and POs) |
| [23:46:20] | knightr: | kenni, Polish also has a special case (not always though) where 2 of something is different from 3+ AFAIK... |
| [23:49:17] | kormoc: | knightr, I'm only planning to switch mythweb over (assuming the benchmarks pan out in favor) |
| [23:50:14] | knightr: | kormoc, ah ok, I was no longer sure when you talked about mythbackend... Thank for the precision... |
| [23:50:16] | kenni: | kormoc, knightr: Honestly guys, isn't it much more important to have the same system for all of MythTV, rather than making MythWeb easier/different to translate? At the moment the Mythweb translations are lacking behind the rest of the plugins, and if we're just switching the custom made translation system with a completely different translation system, we will have close to no benefit |
| [23:51:04] | knightr: | kenni, they won't even notice with one of the tools I saw, interface is the same.. |
| [23:51:30] | kormoc: | kenni, sorry, I don't want to write yet another translation engine that is going to be even slower and more complex.... |
| [23:51:40] | knightr: | we could have both Qt ts and po and they won't see any difference as far as translating is concerned... |
| [23:51:53] | kenni: | kormoc: In that case it's perfectly fine with me. I just don't want two translation systems |
| [23:52:13] | kenni: | like a webbased for mythweb and linguist for the rest |
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| [23:52:45] | knightr: | kenni, if you mean tools if we switch to an online tool we can use the same one for both Qt ts and po... |
| [23:52:50] | kormoc: | kenni, so in your opinion, you rather keep the broken non-standard engine then use a standard non-broken engine? |
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| [23:55:01] | knightr: | kormoc, I think kenni agree to using po if we can use the same tool for po and Qt ts... (I could be wrong though...) |
| [23:55:17] | knightr: | s/agree/agrees |
| [23:55:35] | knightr: | which is something possible with at least one of the tools I saw... |
| [23:57:51] | kenni: | knightr, kormoc: Exactly, I just want to use the same frontend translation system. I don't care if we run PO on mythweb and TS on the rest, as long as the frontend for the translator is the same. I've also been looking at some webbased systems which were capable of doing this, but I have yet to see one that actually works correctly for both po and ts |
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| [23:59:32] | knightr: | kenni, I think we have a lot of chances to find one... |
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