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| [00:03:32] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, you should add a wiki page listing who has slack about updating which pages |
| [00:05:07] | wagnerrp: | bleh... network card on my testing box magically stopped working |
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| [00:05:51] | wagnerrp: | bit of a problem since its completely netboot |
| [00:05:57] | kormoc: | youch |
| [00:06:31] | wagnerrp: | it seems to have enough to pull the kernel |
| [00:06:49] | wagnerrp: | and the kernel just sits there trying to grab an address and mount the disk |
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| [01:08:54] | sphery: | strange... indications on the -users list that an EPIA M10K may not be the perfect frontend, after all. |
| [01:09:34] | wagnerrp: | oh? |
| [01:11:16] | wagnerrp: | i seem to have missed that one |
| [01:14:41] | k-man: | sphery: which messages? |
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| [01:18:25] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/457477#457477 |
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| [01:25:20] | wagnerrp: | but i just paid twice as much as an Atom for this thing |
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| [01:25:27] | wagnerrp: | it must be good |
| [01:25:33] | wagnerrp: | because i know those Atoms run mythtv great |
| [01:25:40] | sphery: | heh |
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| [01:27:41] | wagnerrp: | did someone just post a sample clip of pirated anime to trac? |
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| [01:29:34] | sphery: | guessing based on filename? |
| [01:30:26] | wagnerrp: | seems 'RaX' is a fansub group |
| [01:30:59] | wagnerrp: | odds he simply disabled the deblocking loop? |
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| [01:31:30] | sphery: | fansub group = pirate group? |
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| [01:31:52] | sphery: | here I thought Rax was a restaurant |
| [01:32:56] | wagnerrp: | theres people who will debate no, since they generally release in countries where the content has no been licensed for distribution.... but yes |
| [01:33:41] | sphery: | content has not been licensed for distribution? |
| [01:33:54] | sphery: | doesn't that in and of itself mean the content can't be copied there? |
| [01:34:09] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [01:35:00] | sphery: | but they claim that since the owner didn't make any licenses for distribution within the country, they're "not party to any agreements" or something? |
| [01:35:05] | sphery: | like our -users list lawyers |
| [01:35:48] | sphery: | did you hear about the company that's making an IPTV box studios can use for distributing screeners |
| [01:36:05] | sphery: | supposed to help with the "accidental release" of screener rips |
| [01:36:30] | wagnerrp: | 'my car got broken into, look at these shards of glass' |
| [01:36:35] | wagnerrp: | look at them! |
| [01:36:48] | sphery: | http://moviecitynews.com/2010/09/aurora-cines . . . eam-content/ |
| [01:37:04] | sphery: | but how much can you trust the technology of a company that doesn't know how to run a spell checker |
| [01:37:44] | sphery: | just hope that "streem" isn't the proper spelling of the term in Russia or it totally breaks my joke |
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| [01:45:34] | wagnerrp: | why is macrovision still in existence? |
| [01:46:03] | wagnerrp: | the /only/ reason it does anything |
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| [01:46:58] | wagnerrp: | is because the government mandates that all recording devices have specially tuned auto-gain that makes it susceptible to the bad sync pulses |
| [01:47:20] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:47:29] | sphery: | gotta plug that "analog hole" somehow |
| [01:47:48] | wagnerrp: | but there is forensic watermarking |
| [01:48:06] | wagnerrp: | should it be leaked, you can easily figure out exactly who did it |
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| [01:56:31] | sphery: | yeah, something else I read said that most studios are now requiring that of screeners |
| [01:56:51] | sphery: | wonder if they've ever actually used the watermarking to figure out which ones are being ripped off |
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| [02:22:31] | JEDIDIAH__: | no. actually punishing their own for leaking stuff would not work with their rhetoric. |
| [02:22:57] | sphery: | that's probably true |
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| [02:23:28] | wagnerrp: | more realistically... |
| [02:23:43] | gaurdro: | I am getting an error using the build script for building myth on windows. http://pastebin.com/WNcyFWhS what's going on here? |
| [02:23:54] | wagnerrp: | the screeners go to critics, reviewers, and award committee members |
| [02:24:01] | JEDIDIAH__: | the studios want to expand their power. anything that doesn't help in that regard isn't going to be publicized. |
| [02:24:10] | wagnerrp: | punishing them may result in unfavorable results for them |
| [02:24:18] | sphery: | yeah, that too |
| [02:24:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | or DMCA notices will be sent against it... |
| [02:24:22] | sphery: | so lose-lose situation |
| [02:26:06] | JEDIDIAH__: | that device is like database encryption or not trusting your pilots to pass a TSA checkpoint. |
| [02:26:27] | JEDIDIAH__: | if you don't trust those people, you've already got far more serious problems. |
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| [02:30:31] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: who says the pilot is who they say they are? |
| [02:32:19] | wagnerrp: | timothy dalton on chuck next week... |
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| [02:38:45] | JEDIDIAH__: | The TSA checkpoint isn't going to solve that problem (bogus pilot) |
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| [02:41:57] | wagnerrp: | yeah... personal shouldnt be going through TSA anyway, they should have their own security office |
| [02:42:59] | JEDIDIAH__: | it's all a big farce any way you look at it. |
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| [02:51:15] | tgm4883: | heh |
| [02:51:37] | tgm4883: | I just had a user ask what 0.24-fixes was since 0.24 wasn't released yet |
| [02:52:50] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [02:53:15] | Beirdo: | exactly why IMHO the branches in the future should come at final release :) |
| [02:53:29] | Beirdo: | but it is what it is :) |
| [02:53:51] | tgm4883: | Beirdo, I just think its funny because some people don't like us calling it 0.24 too early either :) |
| [02:53:59] | tgm4883: | just made me chuckle |
| [02:54:02] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [02:54:15] | Beirdo: | 0.24 doesn't exist yet, but somehow we are fixing it |
| [02:54:47] | kormoc: | I'm gonna file a bug that version 1.0 doesn't exist yet to be fixed |
| [02:54:56] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:55:17] | Beirdo: | makes more sense if 1.0-fixes were branched :) |
| [02:55:26] | Beirdo: | that would be a LOT of backporting |
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| [02:57:34] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: the code just keeps growing |
| [02:57:38] | wagnerrp: | why wont it stop growing |
| [02:57:46] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [02:58:04] | Beirdo: | it does have that tendency |
| [02:58:31] | wagnerrp: | i figure ill be around 750 lines by the time im done |
| [02:58:40] | Beirdo: | yeah well :) |
| [02:58:46] | Beirdo: | if that's what it takes |
| [02:59:04] | Beirdo: | gonna be a fun code review |
| [02:59:15] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [02:59:37] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, taking that out of context, I thought you were talking about mythtv |
| [02:59:45] | tgm4883: | <wagnerrp> i figure ill be around 750 lines by the time im done |
| [02:59:52] | tgm4883: | that would be pretty compact code :) |
| [02:59:53] | kormoc: | he wrote it in perl |
| [03:00:14] | kormoc: | that's a lot more verbose then the last perl rewrite of myth |
| [03:00:15] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: this is a replacement 'system()' call |
| [03:00:19] | Beirdo: | heh, no, just one chunk of mythtv code :) |
| [03:00:33] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, so not all of mythtv |
| [03:00:34] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: the last perl rewrite was like 1700 lines |
| [03:00:41] | Beirdo: | replacement for QProcess, popen and fork/exec combined |
| [03:00:43] | kormoc: | oh was it? |
| [03:01:02] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: this (hopefully) will be used for all external process calls |
| [03:01:35] | Beirdo: | yup, I had it planned for about 1–2 weeks from now, but wagnerrp got inspired now, so... he's doin it ;) |
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| [03:02:53] | wagnerrp: | does mythgallery even have a 'slideshow' mode? |
| [03:03:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
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| [03:03:25] | Beirdo: | I'm purposefully ignoring the black-hole known as mike@grounded.net |
| [03:03:40] | wagnerrp: | good deal |
| [03:04:07] | Beirdo: | the guy REALLY needs to learn how to fish. |
| [03:04:16] | Beirdo: | we've been feeding him too much |
| [03:04:53] | kormoc: | he'd need to migrate to boat.net then |
| [03:07:31] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:07:40] | Beirdo: | or at least docked.net |
| [03:07:51] | wagnerrp: | anchored.net |
| [03:08:27] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:08:39] | Beirdo: | oooh. lirc working right out of box. |
| [03:09:13] | Beirdo: | now for a lircrc |
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| [03:10:42] | gaurdro: | I was wondering with a HVR-1600 would the driver be better suited for a 32 or 64 bit install? |
| [03:11:03] | wagnerrp: | 64 |
| [03:11:40] | stoth: | driver doesn't directly address 64bit ram. |
| [03:11:43] | stoth: | (can't) |
| [03:11:56] | Beirdo: | hey, this sample is by kormoc :) |
| [03:11:57] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:12:06] | kormoc: | Beirdo, which sample? |
| [03:12:09] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but the 64-bit kernel has more default vmem |
| [03:12:10] | stoth: | I tend to agree with wagnerrp though |
| [03:12:15] | wagnerrp: | dont have to do the boot fix |
| [03:12:18] | Beirdo: | lircrc.native.example.mceusb2 |
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| [03:12:21] | kormoc: | stoth, extra cpu registers helps period |
| [03:12:24] | kormoc: | ahh, yeah |
| [03:12:45] | Beirdo: | I could pull a drive from the dead box and try to recover it, but why bother |
| [03:14:01] | wagnerrp: | stoth: sorry for the noise earlier, but do you have any insight on that HP card? |
| [03:14:11] | wagnerrp: | looks like an 1800/1850, but a different demod |
| [03:16:16] | gaurdro: | thanks, everyone. |
| [03:16:25] | stoth: | wagnerrp: sorry, I didn't see the msg. Go an URL for the card? |
| [03:20:15] | wagnerrp: | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=5189- . . . &cat=VCD |
| [03:20:34] | wagnerrp: | whoops, just the second half of that |
| [03:21:36] | wagnerrp: | some user posted it in here earlier asking if it was supported |
| [03:21:57] | wagnerrp: | almost bought one thinking it was a 2250 |
| [03:22:21] | stoth: | wagnerrp: looks like a board haup did a while ago but it never went to production. Low profile 88n + 417. |
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| [03:22:40] | stoth: | hmm $25? |
| [03:22:50] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [03:23:41] | stoth: | wagnerrp: probably an Aver board. |
| [03:24:59] | stoth: | looks like a 1850 in general features terms. |
| [03:25:28] | stoth: | you can't build that board for $25 |
| [03:26:00] | stoth: | which means someone's blowing them out on clearance. |
| [03:29:11] | Beirdo: | what's the default key to change aspect ratio? W? |
| [03:29:32] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
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| [03:31:21] | davatar: | I'm having a dumb problem with firewire. I know I've had it working before but my new attempt seems worthless. |
| [03:31:45] | davatar: | test-mpeg2 works just fine I get data, but mythbackend keeps writing 0 byte files.. Can't figure out what's wrong |
| [03:32:21] | kisak: | I just saw the HDHomeRun Prime promo video ... it says outright on there that HDHomeRun Prime is compatible with Mythtv, dare I hope there's no strings attached? |
| [03:32:37] | stoth: | got an url? |
| [03:32:54] | kisak: | for the video? |
| [03:33:02] | wagnerrp: | yea, the HDHR guys are providing software support for using it in mythtv |
| [03:33:15] | wagnerrp: | a couple of their devs and one of ours have tested it with 0.24 |
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| [03:33:42] | kisak: | http://www.hdhomerun.com/ -> green "Our Video" button |
| [03:34:36] | wagnerrp: | the Prime isnt actually for sale yet is it? |
| [03:34:45] | kisak: | not that I've heard |
| [03:35:27] | wagnerrp: | i see no mention of the Prime in that video |
| [03:35:35] | stoth: | right, no mention of prime. |
| [03:35:42] | wagnerrp: | and the normal HDHR has been supported since... 0.20? |
| [03:35:47] | wagnerrp: | its been several years |
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| [03:36:16] | kisak: | do we know as a fact if we'll be able to use the cablecard .... *smacks face on his desk* |
| [03:36:33] | kisak: | thanks for pointing that out wagnerrp |
| [03:37:03] | wagnerrp: | as mentioned.... the SD devs have been patching our internal support, and several of their guys and one of ours have been playing around with it |
| [03:37:09] | stoth: | cablecard will work for CCI=0 programs/channels |
| [03:37:21] | wagnerrp: | thats the state it was several months ago, and support was still a bit rough |
| [03:37:28] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what state it currently is |
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| [03:37:45] | wagnerrp: | and yes, you will only be able to record the 'copy freely' content |
| [03:37:57] | wagnerrp: | stuff that is allowed to be passed onto the host system DRM free |
| [03:38:17] | [R]: | haha @ how i met your mother... barney is failing |
| [03:38:34] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...as always, usefulness of the cablecard is dependent on your local cable provider. |
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| [03:39:45] | wagnerrp: | anything you currently get by firewire will likely be the same content you get from the HDHRP |
| [03:39:57] | wagnerrp: | which may be a lot, or it may be /less/ than you get from a clear QAM tuner |
| [03:40:13] | wagnerrp: | as before, the only sure-fire way is analog capture with a HDPVR |
| [03:40:19] | kisak: | isn't it nice how the home user is quietly being screwed. Isn't this kind of nonsense illegal in europe for the most part? |
| [03:40:46] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...and rememeber, this boondogle was all to allow for 3rd party STBs |
| [03:40:48] | wagnerrp: | kisak: nope, in fact, theyre trying to push out CI+ which is going to be just as alimiting |
| [03:40:49] | JEDIDIAH__: | '-p |
| [03:41:11] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: well, it was intended to force cable companies to allow for 3rd party STBs |
| [03:41:19] | wagnerrp: | the problem is they didnt take sufficient control |
| [03:41:24] | JEDIDIAH__: | I do not buy that that was ever the intent. |
| [03:41:40] | JEDIDIAH__: | encryption between the STB and the TV should never been allowed at all. |
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| [03:42:30] | [R]: | between the stb and tv is HDCP, nothing to do with cablecards |
| [03:42:38] | wagnerrp: | DRM should never have been allowed at all |
| [03:42:42] | ** Beirdo wonders why JEDIDIAH__ must scream his name ** | |
| [03:43:11] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...old habit. Not about to change it at this point... |
| [03:43:14] | kisak: | next thing you know we'll have manditory encryption between the next generation of game consoles and the TV |
| [03:43:17] | wagnerrp: | DRM only exists as an endrun around the fair-use court cases from the 80s |
| [03:43:30] | wagnerrp: | kisak: erm... we already do |
| [03:43:42] | wagnerrp: | the PS3 will not connect to a display without HDCP |
| [03:43:58] | ** stoth nods ** | |
| [03:44:28] | kisak: | hurray? the PS3 doesn't have a composite cable? |
| [03:44:49] | stoth: | you'd not want to use it |
| [03:45:22] | wagnerrp: | it looks like garbage at 480i |
| [03:45:51] | sphery: | component wouldn't be too bad, though |
| [03:46:28] | stoth: | agreed, component is just 'a tad' better than composite ;) |
| [03:46:57] | kisak: | anyway ... sorry for derailing the conversation |
| [03:47:11] | Beirdo: | it looks pretty good coming from my DirecTV receiver to the HDPVR :) |
| [03:48:22] | [R]: | of course it does |
| [03:49:03] | kisak: | what kind of sizes do you see for an hour of 1080? |
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| [03:49:27] | jya: | will a GMA500 supports VAAPI ? |
| [03:49:44] | kisak: | jya: not at this time |
| [03:49:53] | Beirdo: | around 4.7G |
| [03:49:56] | Beirdo: | jya: yes |
| [03:50:04] | [R]: | kisak: 6gb at full bitrate on the hdpvr |
| [03:50:09] | jya: | :) so which one is it ? :) |
| [03:50:12] | Beirdo: | VAAPI was invented for the GMA500 |
| [03:50:28] | kisak: | jya: I had worng info in my head |
| [03:50:32] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you ever get a chance to test it? |
| [03:50:34] | jya: | got a PC here for a project, it's a fit-PC2 |
| [03:50:39] | Beirdo: | the support in mythtv isn't completely there |
| [03:50:40] | kisak: | s/worng/wrong/ |
| [03:50:48] | jya: | that thing draws 6W under most test |
| [03:50:48] | wagnerrp: | heh, same thing as beirdo |
| [03:50:50] | Beirdo: | jya: cool, that's what I test with here :) |
| [03:51:13] | jya: | pretty cool, that could be a perfect frontend I thought... |
| [03:51:18] | Beirdo: | it crashed the frontend after playback, and playback wasn't too good.. yet |
| [03:51:30] | Beirdo: | then markk moved on to CrystalHD, etc |
| [03:51:58] | Beirdo: | so I'll probably toy with it post 0.24 |
| [03:52:04] | jya: | interesting ... |
| [03:52:10] | Beirdo: | it *should* work |
| [03:52:36] | Beirdo: | the more of us that try to get it working, the more likely it is to get working ;) |
| [03:53:14] | jya: | for sure... |
| [03:53:35] | Beirdo: | my fit-pc2 is connected to my bedroom TV |
| [03:54:13] | jya: | they aren't as cheap as some ION box, but power usage-wise, it's hard to beat.. |
| [03:54:23] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [03:54:46] | jya: | which one do you have? |
| [03:54:54] | Beirdo: | some friends bought me one so we could get myth running on it, but then markk started working on it right about as I was about to |
| [03:55:21] | Beirdo: | bought it with no drive, then bought my own drive for it |
| [03:55:27] | jya: | we have the atom 1.1GHz one here, the supplier has 1.6 and 2GHz atom |
| [03:55:36] | Beirdo: | let me check |
| [03:56:20] | Beirdo: | 1.6G HT |
| [03:56:31] | jya: | it's rated at 7W for 1080p H264 playback.. |
| [03:56:35] | jya: | awesome |
| [03:56:48] | Beirdo: | plus any drive you put in it |
| [03:56:56] | jya: | I would probably netboot it |
| [03:57:20] | Beirdo: | that could work too |
| [03:57:42] | jya: | I thought the mac mini was the lowest I had seen with its 15W |
| [03:57:49] | jya: | far more grunty though |
| [03:57:55] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [03:58:24] | jya: | http://www.yawarra.com.au/product.php?productCode=HW-FPC2-11 |
| [03:58:32] | jya: | ahah I can buy carbon offset for it |
| [03:58:35] | Beirdo: | the manufacturer has ubuntu repos for the things |
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| [04:04:32] | Beirdo: | that reminds me... should compile on that box again |
| [04:04:57] | wagnerrp: | s/on that box/on another machine for that box/ |
| [04:05:16] | wagnerrp: | how long did the last one take? |
| [04:06:15] | Beirdo: | it takes a bit of time, but not as bad as you'd expect |
| [04:06:22] | Beirdo: | maybe half an hour with ccache |
| [04:06:34] | Beirdo: | last compile was over a month ago |
| [04:06:47] | wagnerrp: | ah, the magical ccache |
| [04:06:52] | wagnerrp: | i really need to get that set up |
| [04:06:56] | Beirdo: | if I had more than 1G memory in there, it'd be a bit better, I'd think |
| [04:07:24] | wagnerrp: | yeah, with 1GB, you hit swap on -j2 |
| [04:10:40] | Beirdo: | not doing -j2 :) |
| [04:10:43] | Beirdo: | -j1 |
| [04:17:19] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: do you think there is any real need to buffer stdin? |
| [04:18:38] | Beirdo: | i.e. from myth to the child? |
| [04:18:44] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [04:18:58] | Beirdo: | not particularly, the caller would have likely buffered anyways |
| [04:19:12] | wagnerrp: | thats what im thinking |
| [04:19:20] | wagnerrp: | makes this a bit easier to only have to do it in one direction |
| [04:19:48] | Beirdo: | we could still add it to the select (in the writefds) in case the pipe gets filled and try to send it bit by bit if we need to, but I doubt we'll use that much anyways |
| [04:21:00] | Beirdo: | not too hard to add, but meh :) |
| [04:21:13] | wagnerrp: | well i would have to restructure the loop |
| [04:21:19] | Beirdo: | complex enough already |
| [04:22:01] | Beirdo: | if we identify a need for it, we can look at it then, that's what I figure |
| [04:23:21] | Beirdo: | I think pretty much every use we have now would be looking at getting stdout from the child rather than stdin to the child anyways |
| [04:23:46] | wagnerrp: | those that are writing are almost certainly doing so <64K |
| [04:24:40] | Beirdo: | yeah, pretty sure :) |
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| [04:26:17] | k-man: | how hard is it to set up? |
| [04:26:22] | k-man: | ccache i mean |
| [04:26:31] | kormoc: | not at all? |
| [04:26:40] | Beirdo: | apt-get install ccache |
| [04:26:43] | Beirdo: | done |
| [04:26:56] | k-man: | and it just gets used by default? |
| [04:27:06] | Beirdo: | yep |
| [04:27:16] | apalyan: | anyone had luck with the hauppauge 1250 tuner? i've compiled in the cx23885 module into my kernel, but it's not able to detect my card. |
| [04:27:19] | Beirdo: | make sure your home dir has plenty of space |
| [04:27:34] | k-man: | i'll give it a go now |
| [04:28:03] | k-man: | heh, it was already installed |
| [04:29:42] | wagnerrp: | apalyan: been using one for over two years |
| [04:30:28] | apalyan: | wagnerrp: do you use the cx23885 module? also what kernel are you running? |
| [04:30:44] | wagnerrp: | 2.6.35 custom |
| [04:31:42] | wagnerrp: | cx23885 and mt2131 |
| [04:32:13] | apalyan: | i'm on 2.6.34. dmesg output basically tells me that my board isn't known yet ot the driver. then it gives me a long list of cards i can choose from. any ideas? |
| [04:34:32] | apalyan: | wagnerrp: what's the mt2131 used for? |
| [04:35:02] | wagnerrp: | tuner |
| [04:35:42] | apalyan: | i'll add that to my kernel config and see if it remedies the situation. thanks wagnerrp |
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| [04:48:41] | apalyan: | who here was the one talking to me about the using the hauppauge 1250 card? |
| [04:49:59] | wagnerrp: | me? |
| [04:51:25] | Beirdo: | to the cloud... |
| [04:51:29] | Beirdo: | pfft |
| [04:53:22] | apalyan: | thanks wagnerrp. i had to do a quick reboot. |
| [04:57:37] | apalyan: | wagerrp: could we compare kernel configs to see what i'm missing here. here's mine config. http://mythtv.pastebin.com/KfXL47ZU i'm curious to see what's different. thanks |
| [04:58:49] | stoth: | apalyan: Look on the white label on the tuner can. What version of the 1250 do you have. E2? |
| [04:59:52] | apalyan: | it says model 1196 on the box |
| [05:00:07] | apalyan: | i would have to pull out the card to tell you what's on the label |
| [05:01:34] | k-man: | sometimes manufacturers change the hardware but don't change the model number |
| [05:01:42] | k-man: | so you might have to look at the hardware to confirm |
| [05:01:42] | iamlindoro: | guess we're about to find out how much you want to make to work, then |
| [05:02:07] | stoth: | not enough to pull the card out of a system apparently. |
| [05:02:41] | iamlindoro: | GUYS |
| [05:02:41] | iamlindoro: | GUYS |
| [05:02:46] | iamlindoro: | HELP ME MAKE MY CARD WORK |
| [05:02:56] | iamlindoro: | whoah, whoah... but don't make me actually *do* anything |
| [05:03:03] | ** stoth hands iamlindoro the quick install for windows. ** | |
| [05:03:15] | iamlindoro: | oxymoron |
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| [05:04:47] | apalyan: | here's what i see from lspci: Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. Hauppauge Inc. HDPVR-1250 model 1196 (rev 04) |
| [05:05:06] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
| [05:05:11] | stoth: | apalyan: did you hear me? |
| [05:05:13] | wagnerrp: | apalyan: for what its worth, the HVR-1250 is one of the /easiest/ cards go get working |
| [05:05:21] | wagnerrp: | none of that annoying firmware to futz with |
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| [05:07:58] | apalyan: | okay. i'll pull out the card now and see what it says on it. brb |
| [05:13:32] | apalyan: | so the white label on my hauppauge 1250 says rev E2F5. |
| [05:14:33] | stoth: | winner winner chicken dinner! http://kernellabs.com/hg/~stoth/cx23885-mpx/ |
| [05:15:15] | stoth: | be a good man and 'pay it forward', do something nice some someone else... like update the wiki etc. |
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| [05:17:14] | apalyan: | sure, once i have it working i'll update the wiki with relevant info. thanks stoth. |
| [05:17:39] | stoth: | I'll hunt you down if you don't apalyan ;) |
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| [05:19:06] | stoth: | bed time. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| [05:19:16] | elmojo: | so my MythTV server got struck by lightening tonight... it will boot but networking and usb are toast |
| [05:20:38] | elmojo: | it's a combined BE/FE machine and when I boot it and when the frontend launches it acts like it can't connect to the MySQL database and asks what language I want to use |
| [05:21:16] | [R]: | elmojo: and...? |
| [05:21:33] | mtrax: | well that uses the "localhost" subnet which is sorta like a virtual network |
| [05:21:47] | mtrax: | it not a real network card |
| [05:21:49] | elmojo: | the hard disks seem fine.. any ideas what is going on... |
| [05:21:52] | elmojo: | ah good point |
| [05:21:56] | kormoc: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8g3AFnT_Hk |
| [05:22:02] | [R]: | elmojo: what does the log say |
| [05:22:08] | elmojo: | maybe I need to update my mysql.txt for localhost |
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| [05:22:54] | stoth: | lol |
| [05:23:39] | kormoc: | elmojo, if you're using localhost, it'll try to use the mysql unix socket, try using 127.0.0.1 instead |
| [05:24:16] | elmojo: | ok |
| [05:24:45] | kormoc: | elmojo, is mysql actually running is the other question |
| [05:24:46] | elmojo: | kormoc: so just change all my mysql.txt and config.xml to 127.0.0.1 instead of localhost? |
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| [05:25:06] | kormoc: | after making sure mysql is running, aye |
| [05:25:09] | elmojo: | dunno, like I say I didn't have a working keyboard since the USB seems to have got hit too |
| [05:25:17] | kormoc: | oh rough |
| [05:25:25] | elmojo: | I've got the drive mounted via usb to my laptop for analysis :) |
| [05:25:48] | elmojo: | e2fsck says the root drive is ok |
| [05:25:59] | mtrax: | ps -ef | grep mysqld |
| [05:26:21] | elmojo: | I'd love to be able to run that command right now :) |
| [05:27:15] | mtrax: | err.. so how are you going to logon if network and keyboard is dead |
| [05:27:29] | elmojo: | it autologins via gdm |
| [05:27:55] | mtrax: | and then what |
| [05:28:09] | elmojo: | launches mythfrontend |
| [05:28:18] | mtrax: | have you got a ps2 keyboard? |
| [05:29:25] | elmojo: | yes but the motherboard doesn't have a ps2 keyboard port |
| [05:30:18] | wagnerrp: | what kind of board doesnt do ps2 |
| [05:30:42] | elmojo: | it does ps2 mouse |
| [05:30:46] | elmojo: | but now keyboard |
| [05:30:50] | elmojo: | err, not |
| [05:30:59] | wagnerrp: | that seems backwards |
| [05:31:01] | wagnerrp: | are you sure about that? |
| [05:31:17] | wagnerrp: | ive seen keyboard but no mouse |
| [05:31:26] | wagnerrp: | but mouse, no keyboard just makes no sense |
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| [05:31:42] | wagnerrp: | and ive only heard of one or two boards MSI put out years back that had neither |
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| [05:39:02] | elmojo: | wagnerrp: ok it ended up being a dual mouse/keyboard port... I thought it was just the green color but it's green/purple and works fine with a computer |
| [05:39:27] | elmojo: | mythfrontend connects to the database now |
| [05:40:04] | elmojo: | it can not connect to the backend since it's probably trying to connect to the local IP and not 127.0.0.1 |
| [05:41:21] | elmojo: | where do I change the backend IP address for the frontend? |
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| [05:42:38] | elmojo: | updated it via mythtv-setup so hope this works |
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| [07:44:22] | gandalfcome: | I am trying to use flash streaming on my mytbuntu 10.04 running mythweb. Do i need to install special packages? |
| [07:46:39] | gandalfcome: | To rephrase my question is flash streaming of recorded tv supported in mythtv 0.23? |
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| [07:58:34] | justinh: | it's still not officially supported, no. but it should work |
| [07:59:26] | justinh: | it requires you to have a working version of ffmpeg installed – and this ffmpeg must be capable of encoding mp3 audio IIRC |
| [07:59:50] | justinh: | which btw isn't the one shipped with standard ubuntu but mythbuntu probably has the right credentials |
| [08:01:38] | justinh: | FYI you'll need to enable flash streaming in mythweb's settings too |
| [08:01:53] | justinh: | oh and there might be complications if you're trying to stream across the internets |
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| [08:03:33] | Dassu: | :( flash. Son Im dissapoint |
| [08:03:38] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [08:03:49] | sid3windr: | you prefer silverlight? ;) |
| [08:04:05] | Dassu: | :( naw rtsp is my choice of weapon |
| [08:04:37] | jduggan: | sid3windr prefers fleshlight |
| [08:05:19] | justinh: | we're ALL disappointed in propriatary streaming crap. Always |
| [08:05:49] | justinh: | so are there any players you can embed in a webpage which do RTSP ? |
| [08:06:07] | Dassu: | :( propably not |
| [08:06:22] | justinh: | so there you go. that's why flash is used for now |
| [08:06:40] | justinh: | oh look! QuickTime does it :D |
| [08:07:10] | justinh: | ah wait... quicktime is even worse than flash |
| [08:07:13] | Dassu: | kk :) |
| [08:08:11] | justinh: | now if somebody with the necessary chops set about making mythbackend capable of streaming content to players according to various parameters like bitrate, resolution etc – we wouldn't need this stuff |
| [08:08:57] | justinh: | if only we had about 3 million more people who say "I wish I could code" – then maybe that would be equivalent of one person who could code & it'd get done! |
| [08:10:02] | justinh: | OMG! Realplayer does RTSP too... no, wait a minute... |
| [08:10:33] | sid3windr: | lol |
| [08:10:46] | sid3windr: | postage stamp size streaming ftw |
| [08:12:26] | justinh: | anyway you don't *have* to use flash.. maybe whatever the OSS equivalent of it would work |
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| [08:13:21] | justinh: | apparently flash *is* an open standard.. it's just that as bad as Adobe's own player is it seems to be the best one |
| [08:13:50] | sid3windr: | same thing for pdfs ;) |
| [08:14:20] | justinh: | except for a lot of things other acrobat reading software tends to do the job just fine |
| [08:14:28] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [08:14:34] | sid3windr: | so does gnash! |
| [08:14:36] | sid3windr: | *rimshot* |
| [08:14:44] | justinh: | never heard of it |
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| [08:16:11] | justinh: | ah. well.. this 'gnash' effort might work for mythweb streaming stuff.. but likely won't be any use for your other online streaming video stuff because it's not a 'trusted' player. Muhahaha |
| [08:16:52] | justinh: | maybe for youtube.. but seriously.. there are only so many dancing kitten videos a man can stand |
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| [09:56:22] | [Vex]: | halp! I need help getting my remote working... anyone? I have iMon Knob, mythbuntu maverick |
| [09:57:12] | [Vex]: | how do I configure the buttons on the remote, now that they stopped using lirc and shifted to using input/event ? |
| [10:03:45] | [Vex]: | or how do I switch back to using lirc? |
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| [10:21:10] | justinh: | need help with mythbuntu? you need to be in #mythbuntu then |
| [10:21:58] | justinh: | man, even a so-called minimal debian install is still too big for these guys apparently. sigh |
| [10:22:39] | justinh: | and I thought xfce was meant to be a lightweight desktop.. it's taken over 250MB disk space |
| [10:23:02] | justinh: | I guess it is.. when it doesn't come with all the cruft debian ship it with |
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| [10:43:24] | k-man: | if i drop an html file in the mythweb directory, i don't seem to be able to access it direction by going to http://myip/myfil.html |
| [10:44:23] | k-man: | instead it goes to a mythweb page that says "unknown module specified" |
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| [10:59:30] | justinh: | that's possibly caused by having mythweb in your web root rather than in its own dir |
| [11:01:03] | justinh: | heh. between the hours of 6am & 7pm over the course of one week Capital Radio scored 1081 plays.. of which only 83 were unique. Ouch |
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| [11:21:11] | Martun: | anyone awake here ? |
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| [11:23:12] | Martun: | not .. |
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| [11:40:58] | ircMartin: | anyone wo feel like trying to awswer a question about functionallity of mythtv? |
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| [11:46:29] | justinh: | just ask a question |
| [11:46:39] | justinh: | don't ask to ask, or ask if anybody might feel like answering |
| [11:46:55] | ircMartin: | ok .. it a bit longer so I wanted to hear if there were people |
| [11:46:56] | ircMartin: | .. |
| [11:47:21] | ircMartin: | I'm wondering if a slabe backend can be located in a different network than the master backend |
| [11:47:31] | ircMartin: | and if the slave backend can have a different channel line up |
| [11:47:50] | ircMartin: | basically can I have a slave backend in another country? |
| [11:47:58] | justinh: | sigh |
| [11:48:00] | justinh: | no you cannot |
| [11:48:04] | ircMartin: | ok |
| [11:48:14] | ircMartin: | Thanks for the clear answer |
| [11:48:15] | justinh: | not in any practical way |
| [11:48:39] | ircMartin: | I had hoped to find a way to "sync" the database or "copy" recordings when complete |
| [11:48:55] | justinh: | there are lots of reasons for that including mythtv is designed so that all elements of the system are in the same timezone |
| [11:48:57] | ircMartin: | .. was even hoping the "new?" storage groups could solve it |
| [11:49:01] | justinh: | nope |
| [11:49:23] | ircMartin: | is it only a time zone issue? |
| [11:49:30] | justinh: | what you're proposing to do is not a supported (or sane IMHO) use case |
| [11:50:00] | ircMartin: | well sane for me as my wife would like to watch shows which are not local to us |
| [11:50:26] | justinh: | awww |
| [11:50:38] | justinh: | lots of shows air in the USA which I can't get |
| [11:50:54] | justinh: | so do I go to ridiculous lengths to get those shows? NO |
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| [11:51:07] | ircMartin: | well .. but for some they might come from a different country and "feel homesick" |
| [11:51:11] | justinh: | there are other reasons why it's not a good idea |
| [11:51:22] | ircMartin: | but if the answer is that it can not be done then I got my answer |
| [11:51:24] | justinh: | like you'll need a very fat upload pipe between systems |
| [11:51:31] | ircMartin: | np |
| [11:51:47] | justinh: | like enough to cope with the bandwidth of recordings |
| [11:51:54] | justinh: | plus extra for overheads |
| [11:51:56] | ircMartin: | hey for some it does not have to be 10h of recordings per day |
| [11:52:24] | ircMartin: | but I understand that mythtv does not support this |
| [11:52:34] | justinh: | for SDTV you'd likely need 10Mbit/sec |
| [11:52:41] | justinh: | HDTV, even more |
| [11:52:53] | ircMartin: | why? |
| [11:53:05] | justinh: | because that's the kind of bitrates stuff can be |
| [11:53:12] | ircMartin: | A solution where you watch "live" is not realistic |
| [11:53:15] | justinh: | SDTV over the air can be like 5Mbit or more |
| [11:53:27] | ircMartin: | yes yes .. store and forward ;) |
| [11:53:43] | justinh: | so? even if you're gonna rsync you're still gonna need a pretty fast upload |
| [11:53:52] | justinh: | or you'll be on for days |
| [11:53:52] | ircMartin: | I do not diagree |
| [11:53:57] | ircMartin: | that is "only money" |
| [11:54:07] | justinh: | anyway, it's not really a supported use case |
| [11:54:19] | justinh: | all systems have to be in the same TZ or things will go wrong quickly |
| [11:55:04] | justinh: | plus you'd have to add encryption to the connections between systems – you can't really just open ports on a router & fwd them.. so you're looking at tunnelling |
| [11:55:12] | justinh: | that adds overhead too |
| [11:55:21] | ircMartin: | :) |
| [11:55:40] | ircMartin: | 1GB takes about 2h on 1Mbit/s .. |
| [11:55:41] | justinh: | it'd make more sense to have a self-contained setup in one place & just export stuff periodically |
| [11:55:44] | ircMartin: | I've done that often |
| [11:55:50] | ircMartin: | Ahh .. |
| [11:55:58] | ircMartin: | now you are getting there |
| [11:56:02] | ircMartin: | how do I export? |
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| [12:36:56] | Spida: | I have two tuner cards (a pvr 500 (whis is essentially a dual pvr250) and a dvb-c card (which allows me two record a complete bouquet consisting of up to 4 stations in the same multiplex)). Both cards share SOME channels and if a channel is available on the DVB-C card, it should be recorded on it (if its free, else on the pvr500). Can mythtv be made aware of a setup like that? |
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| [13:05:29] | at0m: | Spida: you can set preferred card for recording, afaik, don't remember exactly where though – IIRC somewhere in mythtv-setup |
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| [13:07:05] | Spida: | at0m: what about the "share SOME channels" part? faik I can only define ONE videosource (which is, afaik, the list of channels available to this card) per card and if I define two seperate videosources, mythtv will probably not understand that there are SOME SHARED channels... |
| [13:08:20] | at0m: | don't have my mythtv setup at hand, can't tell from here – did you check the wiki on that? |
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| [13:38:17] | wagnerrp: | Spida: delete your tuner cards, add the DVB-C card, then both MPEG cards |
| [13:38:19] | wagnerrp: | done |
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| [13:45:24] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Can you confirm that using SKY in the UK with any sort of DVB card/CAM is illegal? |
| [13:46:22] | iamlindoro: | Some goofball on the users list talking about "using MythTV in conjunction with SKY UK(legitimately)" and in the same breath talking about using a digital tuner-- that would presuppose illegal/ToS violating behavior, yeah? |
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| [14:03:26] | Spida: | wagnerrp: and what videosource do I set? the same for both cards? then I will have all channels on both cards (which isn't the case) |
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| [14:04:23] | wagnerrp: | no, your video source is a list of channels |
| [14:04:35] | wagnerrp: | surely you dont get the same channels over DVB-C and PAL |
| [14:04:49] | wagnerrp: | besides, analog and digital tuners cant use the same source |
| [14:05:14] | Spida: | wagnerrp: i DO get SOME of the same channels on DVB-C and PAL |
| [14:05:33] | wagnerrp: | but they are not on the same 'channel' |
| [14:05:44] | wagnerrp: | one will be 23, and he other 87.14 |
| [14:05:57] | wagnerrp: | they need different tuning information, thus they need different sources |
| [14:06:11] | Spida: | ok, but they have the same content |
| [14:06:52] | Spida: | and if I schedule a recording for one of the shared ons and the card isn't available, it should be recorded from the other card. is this possible over different videosources? |
| [14:07:43] | wagnerrp: | yes, make the callsign the same and they will be set as the same thing by the scheduler |
| [14:09:10] | Spida: | ok, its decided by the callsign? I didn#t know that |
| [14:18:47] | bjd: | iamlindoro: "Your Sky box(es) must be connected to a fixed telephone line for 12 months." |
| [14:18:53] | bjd: | so ... :) |
| [14:19:12] | wagnerrp: | apparently the CAMs need to be 'refreshed' periodically |
| [14:19:20] | bjd: | Yeah |
| [14:19:21] | wagnerrp: | which only happens in their official boxes, not in tuner cards |
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| [14:21:41] | wagnerrp: | whats going on outside, theres a man with a cherry picker and a giant spool of cable |
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| [14:29:09] | jamesd2: | wagnerrp, lucky you aren't in the mid-west, that guy could be flying like a kite... wind gusts 40–70mph |
| [14:29:41] | wagnerrp: | oh? |
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| [14:29:55] | ** wagnerrp goes and looks on a map ** | |
| [14:30:08] | wagnerrp: | i could have sworn i was in the midwest... |
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| [14:35:37] | skd5aner: | you are |
| [14:35:40] | jamesd2: | its effecting the northern midwest, wi and IL are affected currently... 36 hours of high wind warnings.. |
| [14:35:47] | skd5aner: | btw, drive by your house last week wagnerrp ;) |
| [14:35:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, were getting buffeted pretty hard here too |
| [14:36:03] | skd5aner: | yea, Indy too has a few tornados in the last hour |
| [14:36:33] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: s/drive/drove |
| [14:36:56] | skd5aner: | figuratively that is, was in Cincy |
| [14:37:02] | wagnerrp: | you better patch up those bullet holes |
| [14:37:56] | skd5aner: | sorry, my wife has a bad habit of pulling out her mac10 and just painting the side of random houses with bullets |
| [14:38:41] | wagnerrp: | oh thats fine, chances are that from the street 30' from the house, she didnt hit anything |
| [14:38:55] | wagnerrp: | you know how the spray is on those things |
| [14:39:35] | skd5aner: | yea, she's more about instilling fear rather than actually hitting targets |
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| [16:39:21] | wagnerrp: | seems ive just lost power |
| [16:39:28] | wagnerrp: | and it doesnt seem like it will be coming back on any time soon |
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| [16:42:00] | iamlindoro: | That was like the digital equivalent of the coyote running on thin air, right? |
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| [16:54:12] | Beirdo: | yup. *POOF* |
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| [17:11:47] | skd5aner: | RC2 coming soon? |
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| [17:15:58] | iamlindoro: | Once we have some more nagging issues worked out, yes |
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| [17:18:43] | wagnerrp: | >>> look around |
| [17:18:59] | wagnerrp: | You are alone in a dark basement, sitting in front of an underpowered laptop on a cooler, beer and half eaten burrito in hand. Tornado sirens are heard off in the distance. The only thing to keep you company is the incessant beeping of battery backups. |
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| [17:19:09] | wagnerrp: | >>> go deeper into dark basement |
| [17:19:16] | wagnerrp: | You are eaten by a grue. |
| [17:19:30] | dustybin: | Then you bump into dustybin |
| [17:19:58] | wagnerrp: | Dustybin is eaten by a grue. |
| [17:20:02] | wagnerrp: | The peasants rejoice. |
| [17:20:04] | ** iamlindoro rejoices ** | |
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| [17:20:12] | iamlindoro: | yay |
| [17:20:21] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [17:20:54] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro | |
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| [17:21:31] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: your linode is down |
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| [17:23:14] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o iamlindoro | |
| [17:23:24] | ** iamlindoro decides not to lock the door behind dustybin ** | |
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| [17:24:33] | wagnerrp: | i figured you were going to change the topic to indicate he had been eaten |
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| [17:36:51] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: what are you talkin about? |
| [17:36:59] | Beirdo: | my IRC connection is on the linode |
| [17:37:15] | Beirdo: | !notice |
| [17:37:16] | MythLogBot: | This channel (#mythtv-users) is logged — http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [17:37:31] | Beirdo: | ahh, apache's being stupid. |
| [17:37:34] | Beirdo: | one moment |
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| [17:40:01] | wagnerrp: | seems they plan to have the power back on by 4pmm |
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| [17:41:16] | Beirdo: | all better |
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| [17:46:00] | wagnerrp: | WTF did i put the VCR on battery backup |
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| [17:47:48] | dustybin: | what kind of tools could i use to monitor / show various graphs on my backend server ? |
| [17:47:58] | wagnerrp: | cacti |
| [17:48:23] | keld: | Hi. I have trouble recording after som reconfiguration. can watch live tv. Can I just clean my settings? |
| [17:48:27] | wagnerrp: | and/or other rrdtool derivitives |
| [17:48:29] | dustybin: | ive heard of it but never used it |
| [17:48:54] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: i dont need anything to complicated |
| [17:48:57] | dustybin: | *too |
| [17:49:26] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: http://www.mrtg.org/rrdtool/gallery/index.en.html that is exactly what im looking for :D |
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| [17:49:45] | wagnerrp: | mrtg only does traffic data over snmp |
| [17:49:51] | wagnerrp: | cacti does all sorts of crap over snmp |
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| [17:50:00] | dustybin: | ok |
| [17:50:18] | wagnerrp: | and uses dynamically generated graphics, rather than static |
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| [17:55:37] | keld: | How do I reset my settings, for the mythfrontend? |
| [17:55:59] | wagnerrp: | what is wrong that you think you need to do so? |
| [17:56:13] | keld: | I cannot do any recordings |
| [17:56:25] | wagnerrp: | what does it do instead? |
| [17:56:32] | keld: | but I can watch live tv |
| [17:57:32] | keld: | I can go into the program finder, and it sees the program schedule, but I cannot mark a program as for recording |
| [17:57:58] | wagnerrp: | so you can /watch/ recordings, you just cant make new rules? |
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| [17:58:46] | iamlindoro: | Need a better definition of "cannot" |
| [17:58:52] | keld: | yes, something like that – I think I can make new rules, and I have a lot of old rules, but they do not catch anything |
| [17:59:44] | wagnerrp: | so this is a backend issue, nothing to do with your frontend |
| [18:00:15] | iamlindoro: | So either you have a broken input connection (where's sphery with that link?), a database problem, or other configuration issue |
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| [18:01:02] | keld: | cannot: if I go inthe the program schedule, tab away to a show I want to record, then try to mark it for recording, – it just does not mark it |
| [18:02:02] | iamlindoro: | iamlindoro: So either you have a broken input connection (where's sphery with that link?), a database problem, or other configuration issue |
| [18:02:31] | keld: | I have tried to do a clean backend. removing all my input channels and then creating a new, with new scans. |
| [18:02:55] | iamlindoro: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [18:03:00] | iamlindoro: | Read that post, follow instructions |
| [18:03:03] | keld: | I can watch live tv |
| [18:03:07] | wagnerrp: | the UPS is going nuts, i think it has had it |
| [18:03:12] | iamlindoro: | Thus "broken input connection" |
| [18:03:39] | iamlindoro: | In short, you fuddled your way through the setup and left junk, now you need to do it cleanly |
| [18:03:45] | iamlindoro: | Follow that post *carefully* |
| [18:03:56] | iamlindoro: | And yes, this means that Live TV can work and recordings won't |
| [18:04:09] | iamlindoro: | as in the first sentence of that post |
| [18:04:31] | bjn_: | ah crap... is there a system event for jobs finished for a recording? |
| [18:06:21] | keld: | Hmm, I think I did delete all input sources, but I can try it again. I even quit mythbackend to clean everything. Could I just remove the database file? |
| [18:06:41] | iamlindoro: | Quitting mythbackend doesn't "clean" anything |
| [18:06:49] | iamlindoro: | and no, you should not remove the database |
| [18:06:53] | iamlindoro: | you should follow that post, to the letter |
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| [18:08:51] | iamlindoro: | Including removing the listings sources AND the capture cards |
| [18:09:02] | iamlindoro: | using the "delete ALL" options, and not the "delete ALL on thie host" |
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| [18:57:51] | smooph1: | hey guys ... i have an n900 which can play media in its mediaplayer which is shared via upnp ... is there something i have to do to make it work ? |
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| [19:02:48] | Azelphur: | smooph1: I'm pretty sure someone posted mythtv to maemo |
| [19:03:41] | iamlindoro: | Sort of |
| [19:03:50] | iamlindoro: | .21, and couldn't keep up with playing video |
| [19:04:04] | Azelphur: | fun |
| [19:04:09] | iamlindoro: | It was an experiment, not a working project |
| [19:04:16] | iamlindoro: | (and for three year old code) |
| [19:04:22] | Azelphur: | I see |
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| [19:31:51] | drifting-on-a-dr: | Lost tuners and corrected them by fixing the hostname in tuners of mythconvg but can't figure out why you mythtv-setup is using a different hostname |
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| [19:42:02] | iamlindoro: | Because you should not be messing with the database directly |
| [19:42:40] | iamlindoro: | The tables have relations to one another, you can't just update one value and have it all work, and if you don't know how all the pieces fit together you shouldn't be manually manipulating the DB |
| [19:42:48] | iamlindoro: | in shot, delete the capture cards and re-add them |
| [19:42:51] | iamlindoro: | er short |
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| [19:43:27] | iamlindoro: | in the GUI |
| [19:46:10] | drifting-on-a-dr: | Agreed about the db, was following a suggestion in mythbuntu-users |
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| [19:47:27] | drifting-on-a-dr: | I think I have found out were it is getting the wrong server name, mysql.txt not sure how I missed that, going to reconfig tuners and try again |
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| [19:48:09] | iamlindoro: | whoever told you in the mythbuntu channel to manually manipulate the DB should never be listened to again |
| [19:50:02] | Beirdo: | and smacked around with a trout |
| [19:50:51] | iamlindoro: | and that |
| [19:51:15] | drifting-on-a-dr: | LOL, I take it your not happy? Don't hold back there :-) I will write 100 times "I will not mess with the db" and stand in the corner |
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| [20:06:04] | apalyan: | i'm in the market for a digital tuner card. any recommendations on what's easiest to setup w/ mythtv? |
| [20:06:19] | skd5aner: | depends where you live |
| [20:06:39] | skd5aner: | but check out linuxtv for suggestions – if they support it, mythtv supports it |
| [20:06:47] | skd5aner: | (generally) |
| [20:07:11] | iamlindoro: | !url tuners |
| [20:07:12] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [20:07:55] | apalyan: | any particular ones that you guys have had good experiences with? |
| [20:08:06] | skd5aner: | again – depends |
| [20:08:10] | skd5aner: | what country, what source? |
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| [20:08:28] | skd5aner: | US with QAM/ATSC – try an HDHR |
| [20:08:40] | apalyan: | us cable |
| [20:08:59] | skd5aner: | analog cable (NTSC) or digital (QAM)? |
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| [20:09:04] | apalyan: | qam |
| [20:09:23] | skd5aner: | Silicondust HDHomerun – 2 tuners, external box |
| [20:09:43] | apalyan: | is that the one that streams over the network? |
| [20:09:48] | skd5aner: | that's just one suggestion, but works well and is faily popular |
| [20:09:50] | skd5aner: | yes |
| [20:10:04] | skd5aner: | very easy to setup and "Just Works" (tm) |
| [20:10:45] | apalyan: | thanks, i'll have a look. |
| [20:11:00] | smooph1: | shouldn't I be able to connect to the telnet interface with telnet localhost 6546 |
| [20:11:02] | smooph1: | ? |
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| [20:11:50] | skd5aner: | if it's enabled in the frontend |
| [20:13:04] | smooph: | ok I checked again and I didn't see the check field ... i thought the port field is enough |
| [20:13:07] | smooph: | thangs |
| [20:13:12] | smooph: | -g+k |
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| [20:14:17] | skd5aner: | !help |
| [20:15:34] | smooph: | do i have to install telnetd on my machine ? |
| [20:15:56] | skd5aner: | don't believe so, the telnet interface is built into myth |
| [20:16:19] | iamlindoro: | no, you need to enable the frontend telnet interface, and make sure the ports aren't blocked by any firewall |
| [20:16:33] | iamlindoro: | And bear in mind that you telnet to the frontend IP, not backend (as it's a frontend control) |
| [20:16:39] | smooph: | i don't have a firewall |
| [20:16:52] | skd5aner: | you still could have port rules on the system by default |
| [20:16:56] | smooph: | but the port doesn't show up on nmap |
| [20:17:10] | iamlindoro: | Did you enable the telnet interface from the FE? Are you telnet'ing to the FE? Is the FE running? |
| [20:17:12] | skd5aner: | well, you do have to enable it within the frontend AND restart mythfrontend |
| [20:17:51] | smooph: | I enabled it in the frontend and restarted the frontend |
| [20:18:10] | skd5aner: | and sacrafice 3 goats |
| [20:18:28] | smooph: | :D |
| [20:18:31] | bjd: | only 3? |
| [20:18:42] | skd5aner: | it worked for me only after 3, YMMV |
| [20:18:47] | sphery: | Beirdo: though it would only cut out about half the traffic, could it be made to PM a reply to requestors in #mythtv |
| [20:18:51] | iamlindoro: | Then you aren't telneting to the FE IP, or you have an underlying OS issue like a firewall or other port misconfiguration |
| [20:18:56] | sphery: | possibly with a stern warning... |
| [20:19:03] | smooph: | whats the unix command from inside the system to see which ports are in use |
| [20:19:09] | smooph: | netstat something |
| [20:19:22] | bjd: | yeah, netstat |
| [20:19:35] | bjd: | netstat -l |
| [20:19:44] | Beirdo: | Hmm, not sure how I'd implement that, but it could be done |
| [20:20:02] | sphery: | ah, just wondered if that might be easier than disabling features in the one channel |
| [20:20:15] | sphery: | still requires per-channel handling, though |
| [20:21:16] | smooph: | mhhh netstat -l | grep 6546 tells me "tcp 0 0 *:6546 *:* LISTEN" |
| [20:21:39] | smooph: | so i guess the port is behind a firewall |
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| [20:22:28] | bjd: | you've not got selinux or something have you? |
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| [20:23:47] | sphery: | SELinux: Security-enhanced. Functionality-reduced. |
| [20:24:03] | sphery: | pretty sure that's their slogan |
| [20:24:10] | bjd: | about right |
| [20:24:13] | Beirdo: | severly ecclectic Linux |
| [20:24:31] | smooph: | me ? kubuntu |
| [20:24:54] | skd5aner: | SELinux – I read it wrong the first time I ever saw it, thought it was SEXLinux – my eyes saw what they wanted to see I guess |
| [20:25:08] | iamlindoro: | Stupidly Eccentric Linux |
| [20:25:18] | Beirdo: | oooh, even better :) |
| [20:25:35] | skd5aner: | kept trying to understand why there needed to be a sex based linux distribution... and what exactly that would mean |
| [20:25:53] | iamlindoro: | Well there is Miley Cyrus Ubuntu |
| [20:26:05] | smooph: | thats the one i have |
| [20:26:35] | skd5aner: | MC Ubuntu? |
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| [20:26:57] | smooph: | Kubuntu ... plain desktop 64bit 10.10 |
| [20:27:11] | sphery: | speaking of which, is Unity supposed to be a DE a WM or ... |
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| [20:27:50] | sphery: | or are these articles talking about how Unity will replace GNOME in 11.04 as "the default" just not understanding what Unity is? |
| [20:28:40] | sphery: | "Ubuntu Unity Desktop" does make it sound like a DE... |
| [20:28:50] | sphery: | anyway, OT, so ignore me |
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| [20:32:54] | iamlindoro: | /ignore sphery |
| [20:32:55] | iamlindoro: | oops |
| [20:33:09] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:35:22] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [20:43:30] | smooph: | does the mythtv user realy need a homedirectory |
| [20:43:31] | smooph: | ? |
| [20:43:52] | skd5aner: | by default, many things are stored in ~/.mythtv |
| [20:44:27] | skd5aner: | of the user who runs the processes |
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| [20:45:04] | skd5aner: | some of them are configurable, but I believe some of them are not – it's just where it expects to find some things, like connection info |
| [20:45:51] | smooph: | I am just wondering about pc security |
| [20:46:36] | smooph: | do i have to deny the mythtv user |
| [20:46:54] | smooph: | whats the mythtv-users pw |
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| [20:49:54] | skd5aner: | deny the user what? |
| [20:50:06] | smooph: | ssh |
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| [20:50:09] | skd5aner: | are you running a mythtv distro? |
| [20:50:24] | smooph: | running mythtv on kubuntu |
| [20:50:39] | skd5aner: | you shouldn't have to deny them anything |
| [20:50:42] | smooph: | backend is running kubuntu 10.10 |
| [20:50:54] | skd5aner: | you mean in order to run the telnet interface? |
| [20:51:04] | smooph: | whats the mythtv's user pw? |
| [20:51:10] | skd5aner: | also, the mythtv user password is whatever you configured it to be when you set it up |
| [20:51:14] | smooph: | no telnet is working now |
| [20:51:27] | skd5aner: | mythtv doesn't create a user, you have to manually do that |
| [20:51:54] | skd5aner: | unless you are talking about the SQL user |
| [20:53:03] | smooph: | no I guess than the ubuntu package is doing that for me because ... i have a user directory called /home/mythtv |
| [20:53:24] | smooph: | but I guess the user simply doesn't own a password |
| [20:54:12] | skd5aner: | well, that I don't know... |
| [20:54:21] | skd5aner: | yea, you can try su mythtv and see |
| [20:54:43] | skd5aner: | good luck, later |
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| [21:18:08] | ikevin: | hi |
| [21:18:36] | ikevin: | can i tel to mythtv to use a network sound server using pulse? |
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| [21:24:35] | tlhiv_laptop: | is there a command line utility (without actually running mythtv) that will allow me to "capture" video from my set top box to my PC via firewire? |
| [21:25:46] | iamlindoro: | tlhiv_laptop: There is a program called test-mpeg2 that will do a "dumb" dump from firewire, but bear in mind you are unlikely to get anything at all from firewire |
| [21:26:11] | iamlindoro: | see "Dependencies" here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire |
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| [21:26:40] | iamlindoro: | As you are on Comcast, bear in mind that most, if not all programming is likely to be 5C protected, and thus you will get nothing at all |
| [21:27:07] | tlhiv_laptop: | test-mpg2 just says "starting to receive" |
| [21:27:18] | iamlindoro: | then see above |
| [21:27:24] | iamlindoro: | you are unlikely to get anything at all |
| [21:27:46] | tlhiv_laptop: | ;) |
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| [21:28:20] | iamlindoro: | So sounds like you are in the same boat as most-- firewire is useless, except for *maybe* changing channels |
| [21:28:23] | tlhiv_laptop: | so is there a solution at all for getting the information off of my STB? |
| [21:28:33] | iamlindoro: | When presumably you mean video? |
| [21:28:42] | iamlindoro: | yes, use an analog capture device and change channels with IR or firewire |
| [21:29:07] | iamlindoro: | ie a PVR-150, PVR-500, or Hauppauge HD-PVR |
| [21:29:09] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok ... then i may just have to do that then |
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| [22:14:50] | wagnerrp: | well that was fun |
| [22:15:06] | wagnerrp: | finally get power on about an hour and a half ago |
| [22:15:37] | wagnerrp: | turns out my disk on my firewall didnt like the abrupt power cycle |
| [22:15:45] | wagnerrp: | so it had to be fsck'd manually |
| [22:16:02] | wagnerrp: | and not having a keyboard or video port to speak of, this became difficult |
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