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| [00:06:01] | wagnerrp: | that page seems to be missing stuff... |
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| [00:14:15] | darkdrgn2k3: | any one here run a zbox? |
| [00:15:57] | iamlindoro: | Haven't we had this talk? |
| [00:16:04] | iamlindoro: | It's just one of a thousand ION boxes out there |
| [00:16:07] | wagnerrp: | it does sound familiar |
| [00:16:09] | iamlindoro: | you don't have special, fancy hardware |
| [00:16:18] | iamlindoro: | Not only have we had the talk, we've had it with the same person |
| [00:16:22] | wagnerrp: | well... maybe a few dozen |
| [00:16:25] | darkdrgn2k3: | iamlindoro: yes and thousands of ION boxes work... but not the ZBOX that contains an ion chip |
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| [00:16:36] | iamlindoro: | ION isn't "a chip" |
| [00:17:03] | darkdrgn2k3: | iamlindoro: so after spending 3 days looking for info about IONs as you suggested..... im back to asking if anyone has a working zbox.. a mini-pc with a specific config that doesnt seem to work for ME |
| [00:17:08] | darkdrgn2k3: | chipset... sorry |
| [00:17:10] | iamlindoro: | darkdrgn2k3, Your issue is that you don't want to use a distro where it works out of the box, and haven't managed to configure it properly for the distro that doesn't |
| [00:17:24] | darkdrgn2k3: | iamlindoro: what distro works out of the box? |
| [00:17:29] | iamlindoro: | darkdrgn2k3, I asked you before, so I'll ask you again, please get your ALSA help elsewhere |
| [00:17:35] | darkdrgn2k3: | iamlindoro: what distro works out of the box? |
| [00:18:05] | iamlindoro: | I'd rather not have to resort to /quieting because you don't want to stay on topic |
| [00:18:28] | darkdrgn2k3: | iamlindoro: i am on topic. NOW where did i ask about ALSA help.. your the one going of topic |
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| [00:18:47] | darkdrgn2k3: | iamlindoro: at this point im interested if anyone has had luck with a ION ZBOX front end... thast ALL |
| [00:18:53] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro | |
| [00:18:57] | darkdrgn2k3: | (a front end btw that was recommended in this channel) |
| [00:19:15] | wagnerrp: | none of the reg developers in this channel would have recommended that |
| [00:19:39] | darkdrgn2k3: | wagnerrp: actualy oyu recommended talking to some of the other people that have used small footprint front ends.. |
| [00:19:47] | darkdrgn2k3: | (if memory serves) |
| [00:19:49] | iamlindoro: | darkdrgn2k3, Please. Argue with me a little more. I'll ask you one last time to take your ALSA/fedora questions to an appropriate venue |
| [00:19:53] | darkdrgn2k3: | but hey i could be wrong il just shut up sorry |
| [00:20:11] | wagnerrp: | im sure i would have made some mention about having something with a meaningful processor |
| [00:20:32] | wagnerrp: | (a 1.6ish Atom not being such) |
| [00:20:45] | darkdrgn2k3: | wagnerrp: yes.. you have been an advocate of not using processor power for hd processing... |
| [00:20:51] | [R]: | so i've given up trying to run cat5 in my attic for my bedroom... so i'm just gonna run it along the baseboard :( so sad |
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| [00:21:07] | [R]: | damn sloped roof |
| [00:21:56] | darkdrgn2k3: | wagnerrp: once again i said i may be mistaken |
| [00:21:59] | russell5: | i just had to do that also. run it alost the baseboard and under a rug |
| [00:22:41] | [R]: | i think i'm gonna get the cable from monoprice... but i want to buy a bunch of stuff to save on shipping... but i can't find enough stuff to get |
| [00:23:19] | russell5: | lol thats what i did new cable and new serial cable for my new cable box. |
| [00:23:26] | fedorared: | I know someone who just picked up a bunch of USB connectors for friends to fill out a monoprice |
| [00:23:36] | [R]: | haha... i wanna get a new null modem also |
| [00:23:49] | [R]: | i really just want a f/f null adapter, but they've been out of stock forever |
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| [00:24:36] | [R]: | i have a usb to rs232 adapter... but its got a weird chipset and on anything other than f11... it totally chokes |
| [00:25:15] | [R]: | ooo, its cheaper on ebay |
| [00:25:42] | darkdrgn2k3: | iamlindoro: kick me if you want..... but i |
| [00:25:50] | darkdrgn2k3: | ugh forget it |
| [00:25:55] | darkdrgn2k3: | thanx for the help guys... :-S |
| [00:27:05] | [R]: | http://cgi.ebay.com/25-FT-Feet-Cat-5-CAT5e-Ca . . . _2064wt_1141 |
| [00:27:12] | [R]: | monoprice is 5.57 |
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| [01:08:19] | [R]: | wtf... theres a million 25ft cat5 cables from the us... but if i want 30ft... only from china... |
| [01:08:29] | darkdrgn2k3: | wagnerrp: out of curiosity why do you suggest that a atom is a bad choice for a fe? |
| [01:08:41] | darkdrgn2k3: | [r] get a coupler? |
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| [01:09:00] | wagnerrp: | because if you cannot get VDPAU working for whatever reason, you have nothing to fall back on |
| [01:09:13] | darkdrgn2k3: | wagnerrp: ok... that swhat i thought :) |
| [01:09:34] | wagnerrp: | the atom is cheap and low powered |
| [01:09:45] | darkdrgn2k3: | wagnerrp: i was afraid it was someting i didnt know :) |
| [01:09:48] | wagnerrp: | you can get the exact same power envelope with laptop hardware (mac mini) for a higher price |
| [01:10:09] | wagnerrp: | you can get the same price but moderately higher power envelope with desktop hardware |
| [01:10:12] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i'm trying to figure out if that's what she said |
| [01:10:39] | wagnerrp: | both options will get you far more computing power |
| [01:10:54] | wagnerrp: | considering most people buying these atoms are for dedicated frontends |
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| [01:11:03] | wagnerrp: | theyre only going to be on a portion of the day |
| [01:11:07] | wagnerrp: | (or at least they should be) |
| [01:11:26] | wagnerrp: | in which case the cost savings for the reduced power become very marginal |
| [01:12:31] | [R]: | i got my ion cuz it was hella cheap and so cute and tiny |
| [01:12:49] | darkdrgn2k3: | [r] curiouse how much did yours cost |
| [01:12:55] | wagnerrp: | i dont want to see a cute, tiny frontend |
| [01:13:04] | [R]: | lol |
| [01:13:12] | [R]: | its in a big ugly box though |
| [01:13:15] | [R]: | (it was just a mb) |
| [01:13:19] | wagnerrp: | i either want it to be some indiscreet box on my AV rack |
| [01:13:28] | wagnerrp: | tucked in behind my TV |
| [01:13:34] | wagnerrp: | or on the opposite side of the wall |
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| [01:15:19] | darkdrgn2k3: | some of us dont have space for an av rack |
| [01:15:22] | ** darkdrgn2k3 cries a little ** | |
| [01:15:38] | wagnerrp: | you dont have a receiver and dvd player sitting next to your tv? |
| [01:16:05] | darkdrgn2k3: | nop |
| [01:16:14] | darkdrgn2k3: | got a receiver under the tv.. but thast ALL the fits there |
| [01:16:25] | darkdrgn2k3: | actualy my mythbox is sietitng on top of a shelft... bary fitting there too :-S |
| [01:16:25] | wagnerrp: | then we'll go for one attached to the back of the tv |
| [01:16:30] | darkdrgn2k3: | cant |
| [01:16:33] | darkdrgn2k3: | my tv is wall mounted :-S |
| [01:16:39] | wagnerrp: | so |
| [01:16:56] | wagnerrp: | you dont have 2" between the wall and the tv? |
| [01:17:02] | darkdrgn2k3: | nop |
| [01:17:04] | darkdrgn2k3: | the arm is there.. |
| [01:17:11] | wagnerrp: | arm? |
| [01:17:14] | darkdrgn2k3: | maybe with duct tape i could do it |
| [01:17:15] | darkdrgn2k3: | mount arm |
| [01:17:21] | wagnerrp: | you mean youve got an articulating mount? |
| [01:17:44] | darkdrgn2k3: | yeh... |
| [01:17:46] | smooph: | hey guys ... i have a question regarding security ... since the backend holds my mediainformation ... wouldn't people be able to access that? ... i am not talking about network issues but privacy |
| [01:17:57] | wagnerrp: | so youve got as much space back there as you want |
| [01:18:18] | wagnerrp: | smooph: mythtv was only designed to be run on secure personal networks |
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| [01:18:49] | smooph: | as i said i am not talking about my network |
| [01:19:08] | wagnerrp: | if your network is secure, youve got nothing to worry about |
| [01:19:23] | wagnerrp: | if your network is not secure, mythtv isnt the only thing you should be concerned about |
| [01:20:03] | smooph: | i am not sure about the legal aspect but having copies of my owned dvds on a harddisk as far as i know is not allowed ... you get where i am going with this? |
| [01:20:23] | darkdrgn2k3: | smooph: encrypt it all? |
| [01:20:26] | iamlindoro: | smooph, How do you think people are going to be able to access your personal files? |
| [01:20:49] | iamlindoro: | Myth boxes should not be on a public IP, and within your network, we don't care who has access to the box |
| [01:20:54] | wagnerrp: | if people can access your mythtv backend, they have access to your local network |
| [01:21:09] | wagnerrp: | if they have access to your local network, everything is a wash anyway |
| [01:21:15] | iamlindoro: | if you can't trust someone on your private network, then as wagnerrp says, you have bigger issues-- Myth is not designed as a secure application |
| [01:21:47] | smooph: | as i said i am not talking about network access but physical access |
| [01:21:49] | iamlindoro: | in short, we don't care that Myth isn't secure, since the user is responsible for securing access to the box itself |
| [01:22:00] | iamlindoro: | If someone has physical access, you are screwed anyway |
| [01:22:08] | iamlindoro: | How did you want myth to fix that for you? |
| [01:22:24] | wagnerrp: | darkdrgn2k3: anyway... back to my original point |
| [01:22:30] | wagnerrp: | a ZBox barebones is $250 |
| [01:22:34] | iamlindoro: | If you want to keep people from your private data, secure the box physically and networkwise |
| [01:23:52] | wagnerrp: | for $255, you can get a zotac mini-itx board (with nvidia graphics), a 2.8GHz dual core athlon, a case measuring 7.6"x2.5"x8.3", and a powersupply to run it all |
| [01:24:43] | wagnerrp: | thats about 50% thicker than the ZBox, and gives you far more capability |
| [01:25:24] | wagnerrp: | get some velcro, strap it to the back of your tv with the power brick |
| [01:26:21] | darkdrgn2k3: | wagnerrp: your right |
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| [01:26:34] | [R]: | that sounds like a heating disaster |
| [01:26:43] | [R]: | my tv gets hot enough on the backside as it is |
| [01:27:16] | wagnerrp: | [R]: nah, the case would be mounted vertically, so it would be like a chimney |
| [01:27:26] | wagnerrp: | maybe get some low RPM 40mms to put on the top and bottom |
| [01:27:31] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [01:27:38] | [R]: | wait... what direction would the fans be pointing? |
| [01:27:46] | [R]: | suck in at bottom and blow out top? |
| [01:27:50] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [01:27:56] | [R]: | but woudln't that suck in the hot air from the tv? |
| [01:27:59] | wagnerrp: | no sense fighting convection |
| [01:28:09] | wagnerrp: | only if you put it at the top of the tv |
| [01:28:33] | [R]: | actually, yeah... it looks like the hot air is only coming out of the top |
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| [01:28:51] | wagnerrp: | im sure your TV is set up the same way internally |
| [01:29:05] | wagnerrp: | big internal heatsink, pull air in the bottom, vent it out the top |
| [01:29:19] | [R]: | myabe you could use the vesa moutning to do it |
| [01:29:29] | [R]: | no ikky velcro |
| [01:29:29] | wagnerrp: | hes already using that to mount the tv |
| [01:29:35] | [R]: | oh |
| [01:29:46] | wagnerrp: | he said it was wall mounted |
| [01:29:57] | [R]: | i should get a new case |
| [01:29:59] | [R]: | :( |
| [01:30:55] | [R]: | http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=MjI0MA== |
| [01:33:32] | wagnerrp: | my point is, theres all sorts of things you can pull off if you get creative |
| [01:33:37] | wagnerrp: | the ION is just the easy way out |
| [01:34:08] | [R]: | lol |
| [01:34:15] | darkdrgn2k3: | wagnerrp: i know.. honestly when i looked i was comming out to bills of over 400 bucks... so.. |
| [01:34:22] | darkdrgn2k3: | wagnerrp: oviously im not good in findng good hardware |
| [01:34:35] | darkdrgn2k3: | wagnerrp: alsp SOMETIMES getting some cool hardware in canada costs allot due to shippin |
| [01:35:09] | wagnerrp: | darkdrgn2k3: that ZBox probably came out to around the same price once you got it fully loaded |
| [01:35:27] | darkdrgn2k3: | wagnerrp: your probably right.. honestly it was an impulse buy.. |
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| [01:35:42] | darkdrgn2k3: | wagnerrp: i resuesd old hardware for it.. pxe booting in stead of hd and old laptop ram |
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| [01:37:00] | darkdrgn2k3: | good to know i can more then atom |
| [01:37:08] | darkdrgn2k3: | but for this install atom will be fine.. not really doing any hd |
| [01:37:22] | wagnerrp: | oof... just killed a process hung for 30hrs and eating up 600MB of memory |
| [01:38:04] | [R]: | om nom nom |
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| [02:28:37] | k-man: | i noticed with the version i am running from trunk (must be 3 months old or so) that the menus in DVDs are a bit screwy if the DVD is displayed with a fill |
| [02:28:57] | [R]: | upgrade oteh latest |
| [02:28:58] | [R]: | and tyr agin |
| [02:29:03] | [R]: | theres been changes to dvds and menus and such |
| [02:29:13] | k-man: | yeah, ill have to now that RC1 is out |
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| [02:53:42] | wagnerrp: | raise your hand if you hate netgear |
| [02:53:53] | [R]: | whats wrong with them? |
| [02:54:15] | wagnerrp: | they temp me with cheap gigabit hardware and lifetime warranties |
| [02:54:29] | wagnerrp: | and then they deliver product that frequently requires lifetime warranties |
| [02:55:41] | [R]: | haha |
| [02:56:09] | wagnerrp: | i suddenly drop network access, and go down into the basement to find the switch all blinkey |
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| [02:56:29] | wagnerrp: | its sad really |
| [02:56:40] | wagnerrp: | the switch has decided to stop passing any traffic |
| [02:56:49] | [R]: | did you try the ol' plug and unplug? |
| [02:56:50] | [R]: | ehhe |
| [02:56:54] | wagnerrp: | that blinking? activity |
| [02:57:11] | wagnerrp: | poor machines crying out into the darkness looking for someone to talk to |
| [02:57:17] | [R]: | lol |
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| [02:57:38] | wagnerrp: | find nothing but loneliness, the emptiness of the failed network |
| [02:57:51] | stevieman: | anyone know where I can get some help with sdlmam? |
| [02:58:02] | stevieman: | sdlmame |
| [02:58:22] | [R]: | stevieman: not here for sure |
| [02:58:49] | stevieman: | I know, I can't find anything so I hoped someone here might know |
| [02:59:00] | Beirdo: | Yay. |
| [02:59:09] | [R]: | Beirdo: how were the bugs? |
| [02:59:21] | Beirdo: | home, and now time to build my new frontend box |
| [02:59:31] | Beirdo: | they were frozen to death, I think :) |
| [02:59:37] | [R]: | lol |
| [02:59:51] | Beirdo: | I dunno, I was too drunk to care |
| [03:00:15] | Beirdo: | Ugh. Over 100 emails? |
| [03:00:21] | Beirdo: | emil shall wait |
| [03:00:35] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i heard you had plans for expanding myth_system? |
| [03:01:18] | Beirdo: | yeah, post 0.24 |
| [03:02:09] | wagnerrp: | got em written down anywhere? ive been working on it over the weekend |
| [03:02:14] | Beirdo: | I was hoping to suck in the popen and QProcess methods we are using elsewhere |
| [03:02:22] | Beirdo: | not yet, no |
| [03:02:28] | Beirdo: | whatcha up to? |
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| [03:02:53] | Beirdo: | I wasn't going to touch it until after 0.24 release, so I hadn't started yet |
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| [03:03:10] | wagnerrp: | was getting started on the jobqueue stuff |
| [03:03:16] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [03:03:27] | wagnerrp: | and the first part of that is expanding mythsystem similar to what you had planned |
| [03:03:28] | Beirdo: | you want to opt out of sh -c or something? |
| [03:03:41] | wagnerrp: | well i want that as an option |
| [03:03:45] | Beirdo: | OK. |
| [03:03:48] | wagnerrp: | right now, i have it set as a flag |
| [03:04:08] | Beirdo: | don't think it will make much/any difference to remove sh -c, but fine :) |
| [03:04:10] | wagnerrp: | im writing it from scratch, after being informed of deficiencies in QProcess |
| [03:04:21] | wagnerrp: | im not going to remove it, just make it optional |
| [03:04:27] | wagnerrp: | as there are some good reasons to use it in places |
| [03:04:31] | Beirdo: | writing myth_system from scratch? |
| [03:04:50] | Beirdo: | I would highly suggest against that |
| [03:05:01] | wagnerrp: | im making a QProcess-like class |
| [03:05:13] | wagnerrp: | and then wrapping myth_system around it for the existing calls |
| [03:05:24] | Beirdo: | I see |
| [03:05:26] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [03:05:55] | Beirdo: | just be aware that the core of it should likely stay about how it is now, but sure, we can wrap it in a cleass |
| [03:06:14] | wagnerrp: | i want to drop the myth_system_wait and myth_system_abort calls |
| [03:06:22] | Beirdo: | class... not sure what precisely that gains us, but then again, I've been home for 20min |
| [03:06:25] | wagnerrp: | theyre each only used in one place, something with the channels |
| [03:06:29] | Beirdo: | you can't |
| [03:06:32] | Beirdo: | exactly |
| [03:06:42] | Beirdo: | and that functionality is required there |
| [03:06:48] | wagnerrp: | well... i can always wrap them too |
| [03:07:22] | ** Beirdo scratches his head ** | |
| [03:07:45] | Beirdo: | OK, it sounds like you want to re-implement something that I was half through re-implementing ;) |
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| [03:08:23] | wagnerrp: | basically, i want to end up with something like this... http://docs.python.org/library/subprocess.html#subprocess.Popen |
| [03:09:13] | wagnerrp: | something to handle all the existing myth_system flags, but allow signaling and buffered read/write |
| [03:09:25] | Beirdo: | that was the general plan, but I don't think we need to remove what we have now, just add some more functionality |
| [03:10:16] | Beirdo: | and then rework the external API some, which I guess is what you are proposing anyways |
| [03:11:01] | Beirdo: | Hmm, yeah |
| [03:11:24] | Beirdo: | rewrapping what we have now inside a class would make it more C++ clean |
| [03:11:38] | Beirdo: | and potentially easier to extend |
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| [03:14:04] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: I guess if you want me to look at doing it, I could do so tomorrow, but if you're into it already, by all means.. |
| [03:14:26] | Beirdo: | we need to make sure we cover all current uses of myth_system, QProcess and popen in the code |
| [03:14:35] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [03:14:59] | wagnerrp: | have you done much with pipes? |
| [03:15:24] | wagnerrp: | im just wondering how that 64K limit works |
| [03:15:30] | Beirdo: | yeah, in the past, etc. |
| [03:15:57] | wagnerrp: | if you fill it, it blocks, and you have to wait for the other side to empty it? |
| [03:16:04] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [03:16:20] | wagnerrp: | i was looking at QProcess, and it seems to be fully buffered |
| [03:16:27] | Beirdo: | which means the reading part in myth_system (or whatever) has to be sure to pull stuff out |
| [03:16:37] | Beirdo: | QProcess is broken badly |
| [03:16:44] | wagnerrp: | dumping everything into a QByteArray |
| [03:16:49] | Beirdo: | and they haven't fixed it |
| [03:16:58] | wagnerrp: | i was thinking repurposing the reaper for that |
| [03:16:58] | Beirdo: | yeah, we'd have to do something similar |
| [03:17:07] | Beirdo: | ugh |
| [03:17:16] | wagnerrp: | once you open a process, hand it off to the reaper |
| [03:17:16] | Beirdo: | that will require a lot of though |
| [03:17:20] | clever_: | QProcess is broken? |
| [03:17:21] | Beirdo: | thought... |
| [03:17:35] | wagnerrp: | and have it buffer the pipes if requested |
| [03:18:01] | Beirdo: | the reaper thread's only current purpose is to cleanly deal with SIGCHLD, but yeah, we could do it slightly differently |
| [03:18:23] | Beirdo: | like each time through the main loop read any pipes that have data |
| [03:18:49] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [03:19:04] | wagnerrp: | well... have buffered and unbuffered modes, for anything previously using popen |
| [03:19:13] | Beirdo: | I don't want to rely only on select though, as this can get messy |
| [03:19:13] | wagnerrp: | unless you just want to convert them all to buffered |
| [03:19:39] | Beirdo: | I think what we use popen now may only be essentially doing buffered, but we'd need to double-check |
| [03:19:43] | wagnerrp: | tell me about it, the socket code in the bindings is horrendous |
| [03:20:36] | Beirdo: | not surprised :) |
| [03:20:53] | Beirdo: | popen only allows either input or output pipe, IIRC |
| [03:20:53] | wagnerrp: | i take full credit for that mess |
| [03:21:13] | wagnerrp: | right, not both |
| [03:21:23] | wagnerrp: | which is why im doing this from scratch |
| [03:21:29] | wagnerrp: | rather than basing it off popen or QProcess |
| [03:21:32] | Beirdo: | we CAN do both should we need to, but do we need it? |
| [03:21:35] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [03:23:13] | wagnerrp: | theres also going to be a lot of work getting this to work on windows |
| [03:23:21] | wagnerrp: | ive got nothing for that |
| [03:24:02] | Beirdo: | we'll work on that... AFTER Linux, but yes, this will be joyful under !Linux |
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| [03:24:37] | wagnerrp: | well linux/bsd/osx... should all function nearly the same |
| [03:24:50] | wagnerrp: | as it is now, theres only the windows and !windows code |
| [03:25:09] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [03:25:35] | Beirdo: | there may be minor differences from Linux -> BSD, but quite minor if any |
| [03:26:36] | Beirdo: | where the BLEEP is my screwdriver? |
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| [03:27:47] | wagnerrp: | a weekend of drinking, and now youre back to drinking? |
| [03:29:38] | kormoc: | you assume he stopped |
| [03:29:59] | wagnerrp: | but hes going to get a screwdriver |
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| [03:33:22] | [R]: | so i guess when i upgrade to 0.24, i'm gonna upgrade to 64bit on my backend and frontend |
| [03:35:52] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [03:36:07] | Beirdo: | I can't find my dang philips head screwdriver. |
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| [03:37:36] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, no, he misplaced it, which is a sure sign of already being intoxicated |
| [03:38:24] | Beirdo: | heeh |
| [03:38:27] | wagnerrp: | well if he already had the screwdriver, i would suppose he had been drinking it |
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| [03:38:49] | alex5771: | hi |
| [03:38:53] | k-man: | how do you guys run a development environment for mythtv? |
| [03:39:05] | wagnerrp: | gvim |
| [03:39:09] | wagnerrp: | and grep |
| [03:40:06] | kormoc: | what do you mean by development environment? |
| [03:40:07] | sphery: | Wish we could force people to include comment/summary information when making changes to the script pages. |
| [03:40:23] | alex5771: | I want to use general desktop stuff on my machine on one monitor say hooked up with VGA, and hookup a TV over HDMI, to the same video card, is this type of configuration possible,do I need separate Vid cards? |
| [03:40:33] | sphery: | I keep my environment at 80F, air conditioned, with humidity at or below 40% |
| [03:40:53] | wagnerrp: | alex5771: nvidia |
| [03:40:54] | sphery: | since I'm just sitting around and not moving too much |
| [03:41:00] | wagnerrp: | sphery: who changed what? |
| [03:41:03] | kormoc: | it's 28C in here currently, semt-dark with a touch of dexter to the west |
| [03:41:06] | k-man: | well, i mean, how do you develop for myth but not interfere with your production environment for myth? |
| [03:41:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: things like on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/6200ch |
| [03:41:18] | kormoc: | k-man, my production env is my dev env :P |
| [03:41:27] | k-man: | kormoc: ah, well, that answers my question :) |
| [03:41:36] | alex5771: | wagnerrrp: whats special about nvidia in that regard? |
| [03:41:49] | kormoc: | k-man, plenty of other devs have multiple boxes or use VM's with the dummy tuner |
| [03:41:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: looks like they added comment line args, and stuff |
| [03:42:13] | wagnerrp: | alex5771: good drivers |
| [03:42:23] | k-man: | kormoc: how do you create a dummy tuner? |
| [03:42:54] | wagnerrp: | give it screwdrivers |
| [03:43:36] | alex5771: | wagnerrp:so i should pick nvidia over ati however they both have closed source drivers,no? |
| [03:44:10] | wagnerrp: | the nvidia stuff 'just works' |
| [03:44:13] | sphery: | k-man: IMHO, the best way to develop for MythTV and not interfere with your production environment for MythTV is to have a completely independent development system |
| [03:44:19] | kormoc: | k-man, follow the instructions? |
| [03:44:20] | wagnerrp: | the ati stuff is an endless source of trouble |
| [03:44:33] | sphery: | k-man: completely independent, at least in my case, means on different physical hardware |
| [03:45:04] | k-man: | sphery: yeah, that would be ideal |
| [03:45:16] | k-man: | kormoc: cool, thanks for the pointer re dummy tuner |
| [03:45:21] | sphery: | depending on what work you're doing, it doesn't even have to be that powerful a system |
| [03:45:25] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you see any reason to keep modelines for monitors? |
| [03:46:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I've always thought there were better places to find info for them, plus, new X tends to autoconfigure well enough |
| [03:46:02] | alex5771: | wagnerrrp:so its possible to hook up two monitors,or monitor and tv to one vid card,u know of any vid card which supports it, and have TOTALLY diff output on them,on one have IDE open on TV have Video streaming? |
| [03:46:20] | sphery: | plus nvidia has built-in modelines that you can get with things like "1920x1080" |
| [03:47:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, no, I don't see any reason to keep them :) |
| [03:47:24] | wagnerrp: | bleh... ive spent enough time prettying up that page, especially for someone who has /never/ made a custom modeline |
| [03:47:30] | wagnerrp: | someone else can finish it |
| [03:49:13] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:49:30] | alex5771: | wagnerrp:u able to connect monitor to HDMI ? |
| [03:49:46] | wagnerrp: | no, i do not have any monitors that support HDMI |
| [03:49:54] | Beirdo: | the internal drive bay in this Foxconn box is... less than useful |
| [03:50:12] | sphery: | usage note: don't pause on a black frame when going to get a snack or you may wonder why your system crashed to no video output when you get back |
| [03:50:22] | sphery: | Beirdo: welcome back |
| [03:51:10] | Beirdo: | thanks :) |
| [03:51:18] | Beirdo: | oh, and I can't use my LCD module in it |
| [03:51:22] | wagnerrp: | in python classes, the current object is 'self', and you can pass your 'self' on elsewhere |
| [03:51:24] | Beirdo: | stupid flappy door |
| [03:51:33] | wagnerrp: | how do you access an object's 'self' in c++? |
| [03:51:49] | Beirdo: | self. (if you do at all) |
| [03:51:57] | sphery: | Beirdo: I've always wondered why so many cases put the 3 1/2" drive bays on the motherboard side of the case (versus "above" the motherboard)--I have way too many cases that require unplugging stuff from the mobo to slide a drive into the bay |
| [03:52:13] | Beirdo: | you can call methods in that instance withou]t self.blah() thouhg |
| [03:52:24] | Beirdo: | just doing blah() |
| [03:52:30] | Beirdo: | err |
| [03:52:38] | ** Beirdo puts down the mental booze ** | |
| [03:52:40] | Beirdo: | this. |
| [03:52:41] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: im just thinking of how to pass the System object over to the reaper for management |
| [03:52:44] | Beirdo: | not self. this. |
| [03:52:45] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:52:47] | wagnerrp: | this... ok |
| [03:52:54] | wagnerrp: | isnt that how perl does it? |
| [03:53:14] | ** sphery wonders why perl would use that ** | |
| [03:53:25] | sphery: | this makes more sense from a natural language perspective |
| [03:53:29] | sphery: | (joke) |
| [03:53:47] | ** Beirdo grumbles and looks for a longer SATA cable ** | |
| [04:00:52] | alex5771: | wagnerrp:this |
| [04:01:05] | wagnerrp: | yeah, already been answered, thanks |
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| [04:14:07] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [04:14:35] | Beirdo: | niw, do I have a long enough HDMI cable to hook this up... |
| [04:15:52] | alex5771: | would I have any problems using ATI and NVIDIA vid cards together in one system,ATI is on board video |
| [04:19:34] | wagnerrp: | yes, the nvidia drivers overwrite the system opengl libraries |
| [04:19:49] | wagnerrp: | opengl will not work on the onboard ATI chip while the nvidia drivers are installed |
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| [04:20:43] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:20:48] | Beirdo: | well, bye then |
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| [04:36:46] | k-man: | whats the current method for moving a recording to a video? |
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| [04:37:28] | wagnerrp: | officially, there is none |
| [04:37:35] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvidexport.py |
| [04:39:18] | k-man: | thanks |
| [04:40:20] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: im very quickly getting into conditional hell dealing with all this stuff |
| [04:41:27] | Beirdo: | not surprised |
| [04:42:21] | wagnerrp: | is there a file id i can pass to close() such that it does nothing? |
| [04:42:30] | wagnerrp: | to make sure i dont close something twice |
| [04:42:40] | Beirdo: | not that I know of |
| [04:43:02] | Beirdo: | after a close, set the fd to -1, then check against -1 before closind? |
| [04:43:09] | wagnerrp: | i guess |
| [04:43:18] | wagnerrp: | was hoping close() did that check automatically |
| [04:43:33] | wagnerrp: | so i could just blindly close all the pipes |
| [04:43:34] | Beirdo: | it might, but I don't think we can depend on that |
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| [04:54:03] | k-man: | is there any more doco on Mythvidexport.py than what is on the wiki page? like how to hook it up with the jobqueueu stuff? |
| [04:55:04] | wagnerrp: | do you know how to add jobs to the jobqueue? |
| [04:55:24] | wagnerrp: | just add 'mythvidexport.py %JOBID%' |
| [04:55:45] | k-man: | wagnerrp: no, never used job queue at all |
| [04:55:51] | k-man: | but ill have a go |
| [04:56:20] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup, first section |
| [04:56:40] | Beirdo: | OK, that was smrt. |
| [04:56:40] | wagnerrp: | the jobs are defined globally, but there is a local setting whether that specific backend can run it |
| [04:57:05] | Beirdo: | I think I just told ubuntu to reformat the stupid USB stick I'm installing from |
| [04:57:38] | Beirdo: | let |
| [04:57:50] | Beirdo: | let's see how it likes THQAT |
| [05:00:11] | wagnerrp: | horray for preprocessor macros |
| [05:00:49] | k-man: | wagnerrp: hope you don't mind but i paraphrased your instructions on using mythvidexport and put it in the wiki |
| [05:03:48] | wagnerrp: | fixed that for you |
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| [05:54:43] | k-man: | there is still not much guidance on setting up jobqueues – maybe i should make a page for that |
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| [05:55:52] | wagnerrp: | theres not really much to do |
| [05:56:10] | wagnerrp: | go into mythtv-setup, type in the command, check off that you want it to run on that host |
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| [06:01:37] | wagnerrp: | xkcd is great today |
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| [06:02:22] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [06:02:49] | wagnerrp: | bye bye 95% of the open source 'community' |
| [06:03:48] | k-man: | hehe |
| [06:03:52] | k-man: | thats amusing |
| [06:04:04] | Beirdo: | hmm? |
| [06:07:03] | k-man: | any idea where i can download a valid mpeg-2 file to make a dummy tuner card? |
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| [06:11:33] | wagnerrp: | got a DVD? |
| [06:12:26] | k-man: | not here |
| [06:12:37] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: fork() is finished... only 170 lines |
| [06:12:38] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [06:14:52] | k-man: | wagnerrp: fork what? |
| [06:15:32] | wagnerrp: | off |
| [06:15:38] | wagnerrp: | the process |
| [06:18:37] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: I hope I can get a chance to see this before it hits trunk? :) |
| [06:18:54] | wagnerrp: | oh absolutely |
| [06:19:00] | Beirdo: | sweet :) |
| [06:19:05] | wagnerrp: | im a C/Fortran guy |
| [06:19:11] | wagnerrp: | im a bit out of my element with C++ |
| [06:19:19] | wagnerrp: | i dont trust it, im sure it wont compile as is |
| [06:19:24] | Beirdo: | tis OK. |
| [06:19:25] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:19:29] | Beirdo: | yeah well. |
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| [06:34:15] | Beirdo: | gah, grub2 is being a PITA again |
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| [06:38:28] | wagnerrp: | ever use synergy? |
| [06:38:38] | Beirdo: | not that I recall |
| [06:38:52] | wagnerrp: | its a keyboard/mouse sharing application |
| [06:39:02] | wagnerrp: | its being funky... |
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| [06:39:12] | wagnerrp: | mouse will move from the laptop to desktop just fine |
| [06:39:30] | wagnerrp: | but the opposite direction, it stalls for like 3 seconds while it tries to do something with the clipboard |
| [06:40:04] | wagnerrp: | huh... must have had something big in there it kept trying to transfer |
| [06:40:15] | wagnerrp: | i copied a couple characters into it, and now its working fine |
| [06:41:05] | wagnerrp: | i hadent used it in a year or so... just decided i needed more screen space so i moved IRC over to my laptop |
| [06:41:07] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, there's a setting to limit how big the clipboard can be to be transfered |
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| [06:41:34] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: not in the GUI.. that something you have to edit the config directly for? |
| [06:41:42] | kormoc: | perhaps |
| [06:41:50] | kormoc: | I just remember setting it in the past |
| [06:43:22] | wagnerrp: | if its there, i dont see it documented anywhere |
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| [07:03:32] | clever_: | wagnerrp: might help to increase the debug logging |
| [07:03:59] | clever_: | -d DEBUG2 would be the full limit |
| [07:04:54] | clever_: | -f makes it not daemonize, so you can see the output |
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| [07:41:24] | deegan: | If i need to completely clear out the information added from mythfilldatabase how would i do that? --refresh-all? |
| [07:41:46] | deegan: | the problem is everything added is exactly -1 hour off schedule. |
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| [08:02:52] | Beirdo: | compiling on the new box |
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| [08:09:31] | kisak: | there's yet another firewire testimonial for the wiki, does it meet QC standards? ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Firewire_Cable_Box_Compatibility ) |
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| [08:30:20] | justinh: | QC standards? is it written in the first person like so many articles (wrongly) are? ;-) e.g. "What I did is this, then I did this... " |
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| [08:51:38] | at0m: | for those interested in mini-itx cases, found a quite extensive review over @ http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cases/displa . . . x-cases.html |
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| [08:53:26] | at0m: | comes in handy while looking for a replacement of my old P4-laptop-with-broken-screen that now serves as livingroom frontend |
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| [08:56:52] | Beirdo: | OK, anyone here have pointers on getting HDMI audio working on GT220? |
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| [09:13:37] | justinh: | "This document is intended to be used internally only". Is that HR-dept speak for "shove it" ? |
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| [09:18:24] | Beirdo: | nvm |
| [09:18:30] | Beirdo: | needed a newer alsa |
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| [09:33:03] | Beirdo: | yay |
| [09:33:41] | Beirdo: | now I need to get lirc workin on the box, and all should be good |
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| [09:47:30] | Beirdo: | granted, my TV doesn't do surround, and I have an analog speaker setup that will.... |
| [09:48:03] | Beirdo: | but that's fun for another night |
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| [11:22:18] | k-man: | wagnerrp: out of interest, why is mythvidexport.py in utf8? (or at least have a utf8 tag at the top of the file)? |
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| [12:30:08] | xand: | I have set "AutoCommercialFlag" to 0 and restarted mythtv-backend (yesterday), but new recordings are still being flagged... is there another setting to change? |
| [12:30:19] | xand: | (I set it using mythweb -> settings -> mythtv) |
| [12:36:25] | justinh: | you mean the old recording rules are still set to be commflagged |
| [12:36:44] | justinh: | the setting you already changed will only affect new rules you create AFAIK |
| [12:37:38] | justinh: | and disabling commflag jobs in the queue will only result in things stacking up in my experience, so you need to edit your existing rules |
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| [12:50:27] | wagnerrp: | k-man: so that it can handle UTF-8 information |
| [12:50:42] | wagnerrp: | recordings can be titled as such |
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| [13:00:24] | xand: | justinh: ah right |
| [13:01:20] | justinh: | xand: ideally there'd be an option to go back & change existing rules en-masse |
| [13:01:36] | justinh: | but I've not got time or the inclination to sort it out |
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| [13:24:25] | justinh: | gah why are so many linux distros so blimmin *big*? ubuntu server.. full size CD image |
| [13:25:03] | justinh: | apparently the requirement for this thing I'm doing for work – it has to be as small a filesize as possible :-\ |
| [13:25:44] | justinh: | ripped loads out of ubuntu* & the cd image size is still almost 500MB |
| [13:26:59] | wagnerrp: | the man/info pages go a long way |
| [13:27:19] | justinh: | already rid of those |
| [13:27:23] | wagnerrp: | chances are nothing you are building needs those |
| [13:27:43] | wagnerrp: | excess kernel modules? |
| [13:27:59] | justinh: | possibly |
| [13:28:09] | wagnerrp: | ubuntu has near everything possible built |
| [13:30:19] | justinh: | thing is we've no idea what the target hardware is.. it could be anything |
| [13:30:34] | justinh: | mind you that still leaves plenty scope for scraping stuff off it |
| [13:32:07] | wagnerrp: | why would there be a requirement for 'smallest'? |
| [13:32:24] | wagnerrp: | i mean when is it ever anything but 'smaller than X storage chip'? |
| [13:32:42] | justinh: | yeah well.. intended for download distribution I think |
| [13:32:47] | justinh: | so as small as possible |
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| [13:44:32] | justinh: | ubuntu... you're fired. |
| [13:47:37] | sid3windr: | :D |
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| [13:50:00] | justinh: | going with a debian network install cd, then customise it some |
| [13:50:59] | wagnerrp: | heh... some article tearing up the 'science' of back to the future |
| [13:51:34] | justinh: | you mean.. there's... no ... such ...thing .... as a flux capacitor? :-O |
| [13:51:54] | wagnerrp: | in 1885, there had to have been two deloreans, the one the doc traveled in, and the one the doc traveled in |
| [13:52:05] | wagnerrp: | why couldnt they just repair one using parts from the other |
| [13:52:46] | wagnerrp: | leave instructions with one for how to get the other back to working condition to allow it to travel back in time again |
| [13:53:57] | justinh: | because that wouldn't have made for as entertaining a story? ;-) |
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| [13:54:19] | wagnerrp: | even if there were no fuel in it, the doc made a refrigerator |
| [13:54:37] | justinh: | man, start picking holes in fictional tales & you'll ultimately suck all the *fun* out of it |
| [13:54:41] | wagnerrp: | surely he could refine gasoline from the refuse from existing kerosene refinement |
| [13:55:22] | justinh: | this is a made up story about a made up bunch of people. that's generally enough for me to suspend my disbelief in most things I see |
| [13:56:51] | justinh: | sometimes they cross the line though... which is generally whenever a villain decides to monolog instead of just topping the hero of the story |
| [13:57:49] | wagnerrp: | ever seen the incredibles? |
| [13:58:04] | justinh: | yeah they made a thing about the monologues. I liked that |
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| [14:01:14] | gshelton: | i just got digital cable, and i can't get the new channels to get assigned data in mythweb |
| [14:01:25] | wagnerrp: | seriously, what kind of business jet has chaff launchers |
| [14:02:18] | gshelton: | they show up in mythweb if i add them manually with the channel editor, and they show up in mysql, but no data |
| [14:03:13] | gshelton: | is it b/c my pvr150 is not digital, so it won't see them no matter what i do? or am i doing something wrong? |
| [14:03:38] | wagnerrp: | you are capturing video with a PVR card off your cable box? |
| [14:04:44] | gshelton: | no, the cable box is going into the tv. the myth computer is separate/standalone |
| [14:05:03] | wagnerrp: | but you said youre capturing digital cable |
| [14:05:08] | wagnerrp: | the 150 wont do digital cable |
| [14:05:18] | gshelton: | i just want to see the listings in mythweb so i don't have to go to 10 different sites |
| [14:05:18] | darkdrgn2k3: | gshelton: How do you record shows, on your pvr? Is it connected via COAX? |
| [14:05:54] | gshelton: | yes, coax cable |
| [14:05:57] | wagnerrp: | do you have any intention of recording shows with mythtv? |
| [14:06:10] | gshelton: | yes, i record all the time, but just for pc |
| [14:06:25] | wagnerrp: | and youre doing this with analog cable, on your PVR card |
| [14:06:31] | wagnerrp: | since up for schedules direct |
| [14:06:40] | wagnerrp: | s/since/sign/ |
| [14:06:48] | wagnerrp: | add a channel lineup to your account |
| [14:06:50] | gshelton: | yes, but i want to see the digital channels in mythweb |
| [14:07:03] | gshelton: | mc2xml |
| [14:07:14] | darkdrgn2k3: | gshelton: ->signup for SD and you will<- 20 bucks a year.. you can dish that much out |
| [14:07:23] | wagnerrp: | then add a second lineup in SD, for your digital channels |
| [14:07:46] | wagnerrp: | you will need to create a dummy tuner to map the source to |
| [14:08:00] | gshelton: | i'm just trying to understand why mythweb doesn't display the data even with the xmltvid |
| [14:08:05] | wagnerrp: | as mythweb will not show channels without an attached recorder |
| [14:08:16] | wagnerrp: | and dont use mc2xml, its illegal |
| [14:08:31] | gshelton: | illegal? |
| [14:08:56] | darkdrgn2k3: | gshelton: there is a reason why SD was born... its not legal to "steal" other peopls data |
| [14:09:05] | wagnerrp: | the guide data is pulls is licensed only for windows users, for use with windows media center |
| [14:09:27] | wagnerrp: | any other use is unauthorized |
| [14:10:12] | gshelton: | well, i don't really want to get into any philosophical debate |
| [14:10:31] | sid3windr: | it's not philosophical, it's real |
| [14:10:36] | sid3windr: | and it's not a debate, it's the law |
| [14:10:37] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [14:10:40] | darkdrgn2k3: | gshelton: not philosophical.. the boyz @ myth did their homework |
| [14:10:42] | sid3windr: | like gravity =) |
| [14:10:46] | darkdrgn2k3: | gshelton: thast why SD was born... |
| [14:10:55] | gshelton: | right but it's not 'stealing', it's copyright infringement at the most |
| [14:11:05] | fedorared: | Philosophy is real, but that's not relevant to these terms of use |
| [14:11:08] | sid3windr: | which is less illegal? |
| [14:11:16] | justinh: | it can result in mythtv developers being sued to hell & back |
| [14:11:19] | gshelton: | and that would be debatable b/c of fair use, non-profit organization/educational use, time shifting, etc. |
| [14:11:27] | justinh: | which will result in mythtv no longer being |
| [14:11:33] | fedorared: | Just use schedules direct |
| [14:11:33] | darkdrgn2k3: | gshelton: put it this way: The sevice was not designed for what your using it for and can break at any moment without warning! its simply NOT SUPPORTED |
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| [14:11:49] | wagnerrp: | gshelton: if microsoft ever wanted to bother, they could probably go after it for computer crime |
| [14:12:06] | gshelton: | i'm just trying to find out if it's possible for mythweb to display the data, and it appears that the answer is no without a digital source? |
| [14:12:09] | wagnerrp: | assuming there is any sort of authentication around that data |
| [14:12:30] | wagnerrp: | mythweb is only set up to show those channels you can actually record |
| [14:12:31] | fedorared: | See the dummy tuner suggestion above |
| [14:12:43] | gshelton: | the society poisoned me from mercury poisoning, denies it, and i live on disability |
| [14:13:02] | wagnerrp: | if you have no tuner attached to the source, there is no way to tune it, and thus no reason to display it |
| [14:13:10] | gshelton: | so i cannot afford SD, and if they want to come after me for getting tv listings on my pc, they are welcome to come and try it |
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| [14:13:20] | darkdrgn2k3: | gshelton: like i said.. if you want something that WORKS and is SUPPORTED get sd.. its cheap... |
| [14:13:24] | darkdrgn2k3: | 20 a YEAR! |
| [14:13:32] | fedorared: | How does one afford cable if they cannot afford SD? |
| [14:13:34] | wagnerrp: | you cant afford $20/yr, but you can afford $70/mo for digital cable and a box rental? |
| [14:13:44] | wagnerrp: | not bloody likely |
| [14:13:47] | darkdrgn2k3: | @wagnerrp LOL |
| [14:13:50] | gshelton: | that is provided where i live |
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| [14:13:59] | darkdrgn2k3: | gshelton: so you get FREE cable? |
| [14:14:05] | gshelton: | yes |
| [14:14:15] | gshelton: | some people are charitable and not money grubbers |
| [14:14:15] | darkdrgn2k3: | gshelton: you get ->FREE<- cable tv? |
| [14:14:35] | gshelton: | my landlord provides it to me, and just gave me a cable box this weekend |
| [14:14:53] | darkdrgn2k3: | gshelton: you think sd usses the money for their own pocket? its to break even with licesnsing and service.. thast it |
| [14:15:00] | darkdrgn2k3: | gshelton: oooo...... thast legela too btw :) |
| [14:15:24] | gshelton: | all these lawyers in here are amusing |
| [14:15:29] | fedorared: | IANAL |
| [14:15:36] | darkdrgn2k3: | gshelton: just saying...... |
| [14:15:37] | gshelton: | if it's illegal, why did time warner give them the box? |
| [14:15:54] | gshelton: | no, it's not illegal to use a digital cable box from the cable company |
| [14:16:01] | darkdrgn2k3: | gshelton: i can get a box and give it to my neightbour..... but thast illigal |
| [14:16:07] | gshelton: | i don't know where you got that weird idea |
| [14:16:10] | darkdrgn2k3: | gshelton: it is if you give it to some one else |
| [14:16:22] | gshelton: | i'm not their neighbor, i live in their house |
| [14:16:34] | gshelton: | sheesh |
| [14:16:37] | darkdrgn2k3: | if you have a LANDLORD then you rent... |
| [14:16:50] | darkdrgn2k3: | w/e im just warning you dude i d k |
| [14:16:54] | gshelton: | yes, i rent space in their house |
| [14:17:00] | gshelton: | it's the same residence, with the same address |
| [14:17:06] | darkdrgn2k3: | gshelton: if you care read the terms... |
| [14:17:09] | gshelton: | jezus christ you people are petty and small minded |
| [14:17:19] | gshelton: | really turns my stomach |
| [14:17:31] | darkdrgn2k3: | gshelton: small minded? have you ever READ the terms of time warner? |
| [14:17:55] | darkdrgn2k3: | if not dont go around saying that time warner gave you a free digital box and doesnt carge you for monthly service... |
| [14:18:05] | gshelton: | you are allowed to have multiple tvs in your house! they rent the cable boxes for additional tvs! |
| [14:18:10] | gshelton: | jezus |
| [14:18:18] | darkdrgn2k3: | yes |
| [14:18:20] | darkdrgn2k3: | for your OWN use |
| [14:18:22] | darkdrgn2k3: | not your tenents |
| [14:18:23] | darkdrgn2k3: | READ |
| [14:18:49] | sid3windr: | pretty lulzy in here today |
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| [14:19:00] | gshelton: | it's the same address |
| [14:19:02] | darkdrgn2k3: | gshelton: but im done with this |
| [14:19:02] | wagnerrp: | anyway, gshelton, you have your usage answer |
| [14:19:03] | sid3windr: | I CAN'T HEAR YOU! YOU ARE WRONG! STOP TALKING! |
| [14:19:03] | gshelton: | :rolleyes: |
| [14:19:14] | wagnerrp: | further discussion of mc2xml is not allowed in this channel |
| [14:19:18] | wagnerrp: | let the discussion die |
| [14:19:34] | gshelton: | all these 'holier than thou' people are a joke |
| [14:19:43] | darkdrgn2k3: | gshelton: have you ever BEEN on irc? |
| [14:19:45] | gshelton: | no wonder the world is so screwed up |
| [14:19:54] | darkdrgn2k3: | gshelton: EVEYRONE is holier then thou!! all the time and alwyas! |
| [14:20:10] | gshelton: | this is not really productive |
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| [14:20:18] | darkdrgn2k3: | gshelton: no one ever said irc was... |
| [14:20:25] | fedorared: | No it's not. The technical answer was given a while ago. |
| [14:20:27] | gshelton: | i just had a simple question, i didn't ask to face the grand inquisitor |
| [14:20:28] | darkdrgn2k3: | gshelton: BUT did you get your answer? |
| [14:20:33] | sid3windr: | gshelton: there are also channel rules, so if you can't handle them, better move on :) |
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| [14:20:59] | ** darkdrgn2k3 roles his eyes ** | |
| [14:21:00] | darkdrgn2k3: | wow... |
| [14:21:16] | darkdrgn2k3: | please tell me i was never like that |
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| [14:34:26] | justinh: | I could tell you, but I may be lying |
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| [14:36:57] | justinh: | some of the people we get in here are looking to use mythtv for absolutely incorrect reasons. that's funny |
| [14:37:18] | darkdrgn2k3: | lol |
| [14:37:30] | darkdrgn2k3: | well i remember when myth was a DVR and you couldnt even INSTALL it w/o a tuner |
| [14:37:44] | wagnerrp: | i remember it like it was today |
| [14:37:56] | darkdrgn2k3: | wagnerrp: well now a days you CAN install it w/o a tuner |
| [14:38:00] | darkdrgn2k3: | back then you couldnt even do that |
| [14:38:17] | wagnerrp: | it wont run without a tuner |
| [14:38:28] | wagnerrp: | the backend and frontend will sit there and complain |
| [14:38:32] | justinh: | I remember when people in here would advise you against running mythtv without a tuner. oh wait. that was also today |
| [14:38:52] | darkdrgn2k3: | justinh: i enver said it was a GOOD idea |
| [14:38:58] | darkdrgn2k3: | but i did install myth on a test machine last night with no tuner |
| [14:39:06] | wagnerrp: | to be fair, he did have a tuner he was apparently using for analog cable |
| [14:39:21] | wagnerrp: | he just wanted his digital lineup to show up in mythweb for inexplicable reasons |
| [14:39:30] | darkdrgn2k3: | yeh |
| [14:39:34] | justinh: | I just read the part about mercury poisoning. |
| [14:39:40] | darkdrgn2k3: | LOL |
| [14:39:50] | darkdrgn2k3: | his momey shouldnt of broken thremomitors in his mouth then i guess.. |
| [14:39:57] | wagnerrp: | not sure why he couldnt use tvguide.com, or zap2it.com, or tv.yahoo.com, or.... |
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| [14:40:08] | darkdrgn2k3: | *srhug* |
| [14:40:22] | darkdrgn2k3: | i just wish i could get a stable setup to get my myth environment to record again.. |
| [14:40:23] | wagnerrp: | darkdrgn2k3: no, it 'momey' did do it, society did |
| [14:40:32] | wagnerrp: | thats why we should be paying for his cable |
| [14:40:34] | darkdrgn2k3: | wagnerrp: my bad... |
| [14:41:04] | darkdrgn2k3: | in that case maybe it was a rectal thermomitor... |
| [14:41:54] | darkdrgn2k3: | but yeh. TV companites are making it harder and harder to use myth to record... |
| [14:41:59] | darkdrgn2k3: | their pos sub standard equipment :( |
| [14:43:38] | wagnerrp: | you know, i was under the impression that the only long term effects of mercury poisoning (or any heavy metal poisoning) was brain damage |
| [14:44:00] | darkdrgn2k3: | wagnerrp: maybe thats what he was reffering to |
| [14:44:02] | wagnerrp: | everything else would recover once you were detoxed |
| [14:44:29] | darkdrgn2k3: | or...maybe society inserts thermonitors into his rectum regularly..... |
| [14:44:31] | swerve: | wagnerrp: that's not always true |
| [14:44:44] | swerve: | according to my understanding, at least |
| [14:44:51] | darkdrgn2k3: | You dont know his story! :-P |
| [14:44:57] | swerve: | what is the story? |
| [14:45:34] | darkdrgn2k3: | swerve: i donno...... maybe his bookee makes him drink murcury becuase he got a huge debt betting on cock fights in mexico? |
| [14:45:37] | swerve: | mercury is known to be neurotoxic, however |
| [14:45:47] | wagnerrp: | swerve: guy coming in here wanting to use mythtv for purposes it wasnt designed for, using tools we deem unlawful |
| [14:45:57] | swerve: | Norway, Denmark, and Sweden have already banned mercury in tooth fillings |
| [14:46:25] | darkdrgn2k3: | wagnerrp: to watch TV on a digital cable box that probably is not sanctioned by the tv companies and then boasting he gets everyting for free |
| [14:46:26] | wagnerrp: | when we told him he shouldnt use those, he went on about how 'society' poisoned him with mercury, so he should be allowed to use those tools as some sort of weird restitution |
| [14:46:42] | swerve: | oh, well whatever |
| [14:47:03] | swerve: | i was just responding to the mercury comments |
| [14:47:22] | darkdrgn2k3: | he also said 20 bucks a year is to much for sd... |
| [14:47:26] | swerve: | i've known a few people who were sick from it, and they didn't always recover after detoxing |
| [14:47:44] | darkdrgn2k3: | anyway im off to work |
| [14:47:49] | darkdrgn2k3: | peace out everyone |
| [14:47:56] | wagnerrp: | swerve: but what are the long term effects? |
| [14:48:17] | swerve: | it just makes you sick, i guess |
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| [14:48:56] | swerve: | and it takes forever to come out of the brain |
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| [15:07:12] | JEDIDIAH__: | how's the internal player with external subtitles these days? |
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| [15:13:30] | wagnerrp: | works great |
| [15:14:22] | sphery: | external subs have been working for a long time, right? |
| [15:14:38] | sphery: | at least 0.23 and maybe 0.22, right? |
| [15:16:37] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [15:16:46] | wagnerrp: | and (proper) internal subs worked with 0.23 too |
| [15:17:15] | wagnerrp: | but you know how people love to do things the hard way |
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| [15:24:27] | handyhands: | Hello! |
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| [15:25:23] | handyhands: | Hello! |
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| [15:25:52] | sphery: | wagnerrp: btw, I just finished up season 7 of Smallville, and I totally understand what you were saying about all the backstabbing and mistrust and such. |
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| [15:26:19] | sphery: | there are indications that S8 may be better, but I've only seen the season premiere, so far |
| [15:26:43] | sphery: | it was definitely S6 and S7 that got to be too much |
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| [15:29:23] | sphery: | handyhands: if you're having issues sending to the channel, you may want to try registering (though you shouldn't need to)... http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration |
| [15:29:25] | handyhands: | Hello! |
| [15:29:37] | sphery: | or, maybe you have things working, now :) |
| [15:29:47] | handyhands: | oh I did |
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| [15:29:55] | sphery: | or maybe not |
| [15:30:22] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i really dont remember when i stopped watching... when did chloe learn about her 'power'? |
| [15:30:31] | sphery: | S6 |
| [15:30:34] | sphery: | end of |
| [15:30:47] | wagnerrp: | yeah, maybe i watched one or two of 7, but that was it |
| [15:30:57] | sphery: | yeah, 7 was worse than 6 |
| [15:31:01] | sphery: | 6 was bad |
| [15:31:32] | sphery: | the promise of 8 seems like it may be enough to make it worth suffering through those seasons, though |
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| [15:33:03] | sphery: | interesting thing is that S8 is when Kristin Kreuk left |
| [15:34:07] | sphery: | and, possibly, Michael Rosenbaum |
| [15:35:01] | sphery: | yeah, seems he did leave, too |
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| [15:38:07] | Beirdo: | bleh :) |
| [15:38:37] | Beirdo: | well, my new frontend is up and running, but don't have LIRC yet. |
| [15:39:52] | Beirdo: | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT 220] (rev a2) |
| [15:39:55] | Beirdo: | 01:00.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1) |
| [15:39:58] | Beirdo: | muhahahah |
| [15:40:27] | Beirdo: | it turns out, I needed a newer version of ALSA + a hackish modprobe.d option string |
| [15:40:40] | Beirdo: | but, I have audio to my TV |
| [15:40:44] | wagnerrp: | that reminds me, i still need to fix my audio |
| [15:40:56] | wagnerrp: | my one system isnt getting picked up since i moved to 2.6.35 |
| [15:41:30] | Beirdo: | only stereo though, so I may move back to analog audio after moving the 5.1 speakers over to the new box |
| [15:41:50] | Beirdo: | as I ain't buying a receiver right now |
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| [15:42:43] | wagnerrp: | sphery: honestly, i watched it because i thought chloe was cute |
| [15:42:43] | handyhands: | oh man |
| [15:42:54] | wagnerrp: | either she is not aging well (shes only mid-20s) |
| [15:43:04] | wagnerrp: | or they were intentionally making her look 'worn' |
| [15:43:04] | handyhands: | okay forgot to do simple things like registering |
| [15:43:16] | wagnerrp: | this channel does not require registration |
| [15:43:23] | handyhands: | but freenode does. |
| [15:43:30] | wagnerrp: | no it doesnt |
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| [15:43:34] | Beirdo: | not really. |
| [15:43:49] | Beirdo: | only if you wanna PM or enter registered-only channels |
| [15:44:39] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: so im struggling on how to break up the public/protected/private data in this thing |
| [15:44:59] | Beirdo: | yeah.... |
| [15:45:15] | wagnerrp: | the external handler thread (formerly reaper) is going to need access to the internals, so they need to be public |
| [15:45:19] | Beirdo: | usually only put public what the callers need to be able to call |
| [15:45:24] | wagnerrp: | but sensibly, all that stuff should be private |
| [15:45:27] | Beirdo: | no |
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| [15:45:39] | hanyhands: | okay lol |
| [15:45:43] | hanyhands: | wtf |
| [15:45:53] | Beirdo: | the thread should be a protected/private member... or maybe a friend |
| [15:46:03] | hanyhands: | brb |
| [15:46:07] | wagnerrp: | friend? |
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| [15:46:29] | wagnerrp: | well it doesnt make sense to spawn a new thread to handle each external process |
| [15:46:31] | Beirdo: | yeah, a friend class can access the same (I think) as the class in question |
| [15:46:40] | Beirdo: | no, it definitely doesn't |
| [15:46:46] | wagnerrp: | so it has to be external, doesnt it? |
| [15:46:56] | wagnerrp: | the handler thread, that is |
| [15:46:58] | Beirdo: | easier if it is, yeah |
| [15:47:47] | Beirdo: | but you can still put a pointer to that thread into each class instance if you wanted, and initialize it to the global one |
| [15:48:02] | Beirdo: | and NOT destroy it when destroying the class instance :) |
| [15:49:09] | Beirdo: | although perhaps a friend class would be cleaner |
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| [15:50:05] | handyhands_: | ha ha |
| [15:50:16] | handyhands_: | Smuxi is not good for beginners. |
| [15:50:37] | handyhands_: | anyway |
| [15:50:55] | handyhands_: | I wanted to ask if anyone has tried a HP 5189–2535 tv tuner card |
| [15:51:09] | Beirdo: | anywho, I should start heading for work |
| [15:51:10] | handyhands_: | like this one here: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=5189- . . . &cat=VCD |
| [15:51:12] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [15:51:12] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [15:51:18] | handyhands_: | I looked. |
| [15:51:22] | wagnerrp: | chances are that is just some rebranded other card |
| [15:51:37] | handyhands_: | I found support for all of the chipsets except the av bridge |
| [15:51:40] | handyhands_: | yeah |
| [15:51:48] | wagnerrp: | looks like an HVR-2250 |
| [15:52:05] | wagnerrp: | christ thatc cheap |
| [15:52:12] | handyhands_: | I know right? |
| [15:52:18] | handyhands_: | for hardware |
| [15:52:25] | handyhands_: | hope it's not another nvtv X( |
| [15:52:28] | wagnerrp: | do you know if that does hardware encoding for NTSC? |
| [15:52:50] | handyhands_: | well ima be the guinea pig |
| [15:53:04] | handyhands_: | I am going to order it this week |
| [15:53:07] | Beirdo: | it has TV-in, ANT-in |
| [15:53:12] | wagnerrp: | oh, youre just asking, you dont have one |
| [15:53:19] | handyhands_: | but I will |
| [15:53:23] | Beirdo: | sounds more like the 1850 or 1600 maybe? |
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| [15:53:35] | Beirdo: | oh wait. |
| [15:53:37] | handyhands_: | so it looks like it will work? |
| [15:53:41] | Beirdo: | ANT-in could be FM |
| [15:53:50] | Beirdo: | at that price, just try it ;) |
| [15:54:01] | handyhands_: | yeah |
| [15:54:03] | handyhands_: | also |
| [15:54:11] | handyhands_: | where can I send my nvtv card? |
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| [15:54:26] | handyhands_: | I want to ship it to a hardware hacker who maybe could learn a little more about it |
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| [15:54:51] | handyhands_: | can you email me a physical address of someone who could maybe |
| [15:54:53] | handyhands_: | dissect it |
| [15:54:55] | wagnerrp: | send it to 'the garbage dump c/o your local sanitation engineers' |
| [15:55:09] | handyhands_: | well thats the other option |
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| [15:55:21] | handyhands_: | but I don't like to throw otherwise good things away |
| [15:55:29] | handyhands_: | no one will take it? |
| [15:55:33] | wagnerrp: | indeed, CX23417 MPEG2 encoder |
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| [15:55:54] | wagnerrp: | !seen stoth |
| [15:55:54] | MythLogBot: | stoth is here and has been idle for 2 days 1 hour 34 minutes 37 seconds |
| [15:56:03] | ** wagnerrp pokes stoth ** | |
| [15:56:09] | ** wagnerrp pokes harder ** | |
| [15:56:41] | Beirdo: | anywho... work |
| [15:56:41] | wagnerrp: | it looks sorta like a 2250 |
| [15:56:50] | wagnerrp: | has the same capabilities |
| [15:56:52] | Beirdo: | it doesn't say dual tuner though |
| [15:56:54] | wagnerrp: | but different layout |
| [15:57:06] | wagnerrp: | youre right... it doesnt |
| [15:57:08] | Beirdo: | it may be a single hybrid tuner + FM tuner |
| [15:57:24] | Beirdo: | there are two cans on there though, so it might be |
| [15:57:31] | wagnerrp: | no, there are definitely two tuners |
| [15:57:33] | handyhands_: | okay |
| [15:57:34] | handyhands_: | http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-016-P1-NVTV-TX-Nvt . . . p/B00067KT3A |
| [15:57:37] | handyhands_: | who wants that |
| [15:57:38] | wagnerrp: | but it could be one analog, one digital |
| [15:57:39] | handyhands_: | free |
| [15:57:48] | wagnerrp: | so a low profile version of the 1850 |
| [15:57:51] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yeah, that's also a possibility :) |
| [15:58:00] | wagnerrp: | which would make sense why it only has the one A/V header on board |
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| [15:58:06] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [15:58:13] | Beirdo: | seeya in a while |
| [15:58:27] | handyhands_: | wait |
| [15:58:34] | Beirdo: | google C++ friend classes if you are interested in going that route |
| [15:58:43] | handyhands_: | huh? |
| [15:58:52] | wagnerrp: | yeah, looking at them, thanks |
| [15:59:15] | handyhands_: | well I am going to order it |
| [15:59:30] | wagnerrp: | hang on |
| [15:59:32] | handyhands_: | if I can't use it I'll send it to someone there who can work on adding support for it |
| [15:59:37] | wagnerrp: | AFAIK, the 1850 doesnt work |
| [15:59:38] | handyhands_: | by mail |
| [15:59:51] | wagnerrp: | and analog support for the 1800 works, but is broken in mythtv |
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| [16:00:27] | handyhands_: | anyway |
| [16:00:32] | handyhands_: | I will try it |
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| [16:00:39] | handyhands_: | maybe I can get it to work |
| [16:00:48] | handyhands_: | unless you are telling me there is no chance |
| [16:01:17] | handyhands_: | not really sure what you two were talking about |
| [16:02:38] | handyhands_: | brb afk for 5–15 mins |
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| [16:09:32] | wagnerrp: | theres the difference |
| [16:10:06] | wagnerrp: | its using a LGDT3304 demod, instead of the S5H1409 that comes on the 1800 |
| [16:11:02] | wagnerrp: | i was wrong about the 1850, seems that has been supported for over a year now, dont know what i was thinking with that |
| [16:12:44] | wagnerrp: | seems there is an in-kernel driver for that demod, and at least one tuner currently using it |
| [16:13:13] | wagnerrp: | so all the code is probably there to make it work, but it may need an hour or two of tweaking by someone who knows the drivers |
| [16:13:55] | wagnerrp: | or it may be as simple as just adding a product id to a table |
| [16:16:18] | wagnerrp: | the NVTV card was a hardware encoder too? |
| [16:21:34] | justinh: | wagnerrp: As far as I know all the nvidia cinema tuner/capture cards had HW encoding |
| [16:22:59] | justinh: | similar to the ATI theater cards in that there was never likely a sniff of support in linux – but they tended to get stunning reviews on hardware sites |
| [16:35:54] | AndyCap: | the early nvidia framegrabbers got some reverse engineered driver iirc. |
| [16:35:58] | AndyCap: | rivatv or something |
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| [16:38:30] | handyhands_: | okay back |
| [16:39:13] | handyhands_: | justinh |
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| [16:39:56] | handyhands_: | do you know anyone who could maybe learn something about the EVGA NVTV |
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| [16:40:08] | handyhands_: | if they had one of the physical cards? |
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| [16:40:31] | jerry_l: | hello room |
| [16:40:41] | handyhands_: | hello |
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| [16:41:11] | handyhands_: | are most of the people here idling? |
| [16:41:27] | handyhands_: | AdyCap! |
| [16:41:27] | jerry_l: | i am still new to myth TV, i would like to use myth tv as a DVR for my main TV |
| [16:41:35] | handyhands_: | it works very well |
| [16:41:37] | handyhands_: | only |
| [16:41:54] | handyhands_: | there is a good deal of software-based fiddling that you have to do |
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| [16:42:20] | handyhands_: | since the cards are technically supported, but real world problems make them unusable *out of the box* |
| [16:42:32] | AndyCap: | handyhands_: that's not too shabby |
| [16:42:33] | handyhands_: | like my TV Wonder Pro |
| [16:42:46] | handyhands_: | it saw it right away |
| [16:42:57] | handyhands_: | but I am having the channel-changing problem |
| [16:43:10] | handyhands_: | I am gonna have to look into it later |
| [16:43:13] | jerry_l: | i just bought the win tvr 1600 with single Mp2 processor |
| [16:43:40] | handyhands_: | AndyCap? |
| [16:43:53] | handyhands_: | what isn't dude? |
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| [16:44:52] | handyhands_: | AndyCap hey man if you know any hardware hackers let me know so I can send them my http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-016-P1-NVTV-TX-Nvt . . . p/B00067KT3A card |
| [16:45:15] | jerry_l: | is there a compressed video card like MP4 or DIVX? instead of MP2 dvd... |
| [16:45:24] | handyhands_: | well |
| [16:45:26] | handyhands_: | there is |
| [16:45:36] | handyhands_: | bbut it's not for tv |
| [16:45:55] | handyhands_: | BlueCherry makes it and it's for surveillance purposes (a camera array) |
| [16:46:20] | handyhands_: | it's just that MPEG2 cards |
| [16:46:22] | wagnerrp: | jerry_l: the IVTV cards (like your HVR-1600) are the recommended card for standard definition analog capture |
| [16:46:24] | AndyCap: | jerry_l: hauppauge hd-pvr does component hd in and mpeg-4 out |
| [16:46:27] | handyhands_: | have software support by applications |
| [16:46:39] | wagnerrp: | if you want HD capture, it uses h264, but is fairly pricy |
| [16:46:45] | jerry_l: | i have a DIVX video camera HD, it is real clear BUT it records in extra wide screen. panaramic? |
| [16:47:14] | handyhands_: | wagnerrp cmon guys crap there isn't anyone that will take this card that you know of? |
| [16:47:14] | wagnerrp: | jerry_l: to be honest, you dont want to bother with mpeg-4 asp (divx/xvid) |
| [16:47:19] | jerry_l: | Digital broadcast over the air. |
| [16:47:19] | AndyCap: | jerry_l: but what are you planning on recording form? |
| [16:47:36] | AndyCap: | jerry_l: just save the digital stream to disk |
| [16:47:38] | wagnerrp: | jerry_l: if youre talking about OTA broadcasts, the content is pre-encoded by the broadcaster |
| [16:47:41] | jerry_l: | i use a standard antenna. |
| [16:47:46] | wagnerrp: | the card isnt doing any compression |
| [16:48:03] | wagnerrp: | the mpeg2 encoder chip on that card is only used during analog capture |
| [16:49:00] | jerry_l: | 1 hour of broadcast is like 6–8gigs of space, then recode to mp4 with 2pass, still doesnt look as good as some of the other vids i have seen. |
| [16:49:27] | skd5aner: | anyone know of an easy way to look a dir of DVD isos and tell if any of them are still encrypted? |
| [16:49:36] | fedorared: | Why recode? |
| [16:49:37] | wagnerrp: | jerry_l: most people in here would recommend you just keep it as mpeg2, and buy more hard drive space |
| [16:49:54] | handyhands_: | burn it to DVDs preiodically |
| [16:50:01] | handyhands_: | periodically* |
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| [16:50:07] | skd5aner: | I'll ask later |
| [16:50:17] | wagnerrp: | create a cutlist, and run a 'lossless transcode' to clip out the commercials |
| [16:50:25] | wagnerrp: | should drop size by ~30% |
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| [16:50:48] | wagnerrp: | if you absolutely need to recompress it, you should be using h264, and not divx/xvid |
| [16:50:58] | jerry_l: | i have a 1.5TB for a server and and a 1.5TB for a backup. |
| [16:51:43] | fedorared: | Which is many hours |
| [16:51:54] | wagnerrp: | dont bother with 2-pass, just do single pass x264 with a quantizer of 20 or so |
| [16:52:01] | wagnerrp: | lower numbers mean larger size |
| [16:52:02] | handyhands_: | also if you cannot get that card to work correctly |
| [16:52:06] | handyhands_: | http://www.pchdtv.com/ is an option |
| [16:52:29] | wagnerrp: | 20 is going to be perceivably lossless |
| [16:52:43] | jerry_l: | pulling up pchdtv.. BRB. |
| [16:53:03] | wagnerrp: | handyhands_: he seems to be recording off that card just fine |
| [16:53:10] | wagnerrp: | no need to go buy another |
| [16:53:23] | handyhands_: | ok that is good |
| [16:53:29] | handyhands_: | that's the goal |
| [16:54:01] | wagnerrp: | jerry_l: anyway, at hard drives going for $0.05/GB these days... its just not really worth the time to recompress tv |
| [16:54:34] | handyhands_: | tthatt's right |
| [16:54:47] | handyhands_: | there will always be more tv programs, you can't tape them all :) |
| [16:55:13] | iamlindoro: | heh, "tape" |
| [16:55:50] | handyhands_: | really, no one wants to look at that NVTV card? tell me to shut up about it if I am being annoying |
| [16:56:27] | wagnerrp: | handyhands_: shut up, youre being annoying... :P |
| [16:56:32] | handyhands_: | okay, sorry |
| [16:56:37] | iamlindoro: | It's hard enough getting people interested in writing drivers for current hardware, let alone defunct ancient hardware |
| [16:56:39] | wagnerrp: | you may want to ask in #linuxtv |
| [16:56:47] | wagnerrp: | someone over there may want to play with it |
| [16:56:52] | handyhands_: | okay, cool |
| [16:56:57] | wagnerrp: | theres only a handful of linuxtv devs that hang out in here |
| [16:56:59] | handyhands_: | I'm glad you told me |
| [16:57:06] | wagnerrp: | and even then, theyre not here that often |
| [16:57:11] | handyhands_: | I was going to dispose of it in a few hours |
| [16:58:02] | handyhands_: | I'll try that new card in the next few weeks then |
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| [16:58:25] | handyhands_: | do you guys want to hear about success so far as setting up tv tuners? |
| [16:58:33] | handyhands_: | or wrong place |
| [16:58:42] | jerry_l: | i am back. |
| [16:58:48] | wagnerrp: | anything driver related is really #linuxtv 's domain |
| [16:58:54] | handyhands_: | okay |
| [16:58:56] | handyhands_: | got it |
| [16:59:08] | handyhands_: | sorry |
| [16:59:16] | jerry_l: | PVR looks kind of good.. |
| [16:59:31] | jerry_l: | opps pchdtv |
| [16:59:42] | handyhands_: | I was very surprised to have it show up very early in the Google results |
| [16:59:54] | handyhands_: | it took days to make my way to opencores.net |
| [16:59:58] | handyhands_: | for me |
| [17:00:28] | wagnerrp: | jerry_l: dont bother with that unless youre looking for a second tuner... considering you already have one that works |
| [17:00:43] | wagnerrp: | the pcHDTV stuff is going to behave exactly the same, with 6–8GB/hr recordings |
| [17:00:51] | trumee is now known as zzztrumee | |
| [17:01:15] | iamlindoro: | And cost twice as much |
| [17:01:22] | jerry_l: | i have all of my movies at about 1gig each, my whole collection. when i want to watch on i just click on it. |
| [17:01:29] | handyhands_: | yes jerry |
| [17:01:38] | handyhands_: | save that for your next tuner |
| [17:01:48] | jerry_l: | i paid like 80.00 plus tax for my hdtv card |
| [17:01:54] | handyhands_: | if you don't have any supported ones on hand |
| [17:01:56] | iamlindoro: | There is no compelling reason to choose pdHDTV card period |
| [17:02:10] | iamlindoro: | they are twice as expensive as a card that will perform just as well, if not better, with better driver support |
| [17:02:39] | handyhands_: | plus no hardware encoding |
| [17:02:58] | handyhands_: | only thing is great support but lots of cards have good support now |
| [17:03:38] | handyhands_: | so if you have a card that works you should use it |
| [17:04:37] | jerry_l: | my hd video camera uses up a 4gig mem card and records in DIVX format.. very good picture. is there a TV card that can record in a differnt format than MP2 |
| [17:04:44] | jerry_l: | ts |
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| [17:05:11] | wagnerrp: | jerry_l: no, you will only get MPEG2 from broadcast television |
| [17:05:28] | wagnerrp: | it is encoded by the broadcaster, not the tuner card |
| [17:06:01] | handyhands_: | so they actually use MPEG2 for 'streaming' to the TV? |
| [17:06:24] | wagnerrp: | yes, mpeg2 video in an mpeg2 transport stream |
| [17:06:25] | jerry_l: | so the card doesnt do encoding? i thought it encoded in MP2 with hardware (chip). |
| [17:06:41] | handyhands_: | well |
| [17:06:41] | wagnerrp: | jerry_l: only for analog capture, as explained several times now |
| [17:06:42] | handyhands_: | lol |
| [17:06:44] | handyhands_: | yes |
| [17:06:48] | handyhands_: | jerry |
| [17:06:59] | handyhands_: | the card recieves a signal through the cable |
| [17:07:03] | jerry_l: | it only does decoding and capture? |
| [17:07:06] | handyhands_: | it's an analog signal |
| [17:07:11] | handyhands_: | multiplexed together too |
| [17:07:17] | jerry_l: | digital broadcast |
| [17:07:19] | wagnerrp: | broadcast television is all digital now |
| [17:07:27] | wagnerrp: | it has been for about a year and a half now |
| [17:07:32] | handyhands_: | most cheap tv tuners just decode that signal |
| [17:07:44] | Beirdo: | there are still a very few low-power analog broadcasts |
| [17:07:50] | wagnerrp: | all digital tuner cards only demodulate the signal, and pass it onto the host system |
| [17:07:54] | handyhands_: | the hardware encoding feature is just for converting it (apparantly) back to MPEG2 video |
| [17:08:00] | Beirdo: | *very* few :0 |
| [17:08:05] | jerry_l: | ohhh. |
| [17:08:12] | fedorared: | Analog signals weren't mpeg2 to begin with |
| [17:08:25] | handyhands_: | that what is wgnaerrp saying? |
| [17:08:32] | handyhands_: | that they were? |
| [17:08:44] | handyhands_: | MPEG2 support in hardware is a relic then? |
| [17:08:51] | handyhands_: | artifact* |
| [17:09:11] | wagnerrp: | handyhands_: no, because you often cannot record digital cable digitally |
| [17:09:17] | wagnerrp: | you have to capture it off a digital cable box |
| [17:09:29] | Beirdo: | umm, yeah, analog signals (if from a fairly modern broadcaster) still likely came from MPEG2 internally, but that's pretty much a moot point these days |
| [17:09:47] | handyhands_: | I see..... |
| [17:10:31] | handyhands_: | well HDCP decoders had better become ubiquitous or I will drop tv tuners altogether |
| [17:10:31] | Beirdo: | not that it matters :) if you are capturing off analog, it doesn't really matter where the analog was before, you can only capture what you get |
| [17:10:45] | Beirdo: | huh? |
| [17:10:51] | handyhands_: | well |
| [17:10:57] | handyhands_: | thats another subject |
| [17:11:08] | handyhands_: | right |
| [17:11:14] | Beirdo: | TV tuners have *nothing* to do with HDCP |
| [17:11:28] | handyhands_: | and the analog has to be converted wither in software on the computer or in hardware on the tv tuner |
| [17:11:31] | handyhands_: | yeah |
| [17:11:35] | handyhands_: | tangent |
| [17:12:13] | handyhands_: | I understand |
| [17:12:44] | handyhands_: | both that it was quite off topic, and the basics of how tv tuners work |
| [17:15:54] | jerry_l: | what about a good Tuner program for myth.? |
| [17:16:21] | wagnerrp: | tuner program? mythbackend manages your tuners in mythtv |
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| [17:17:18] | jerry_l: | digital broadcast channels. i have problems when trying to find them. |
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| [17:17:48] | jerry_l: | VLC doesnt have a digital channel thing. |
| [17:18:35] | wagnerrp: | VLC has nothing to do with mythtv |
| [17:18:39] | fedorared: | How are you doing playback if not with mythfrontend ? |
| [17:18:57] | jerry_l: | dont know. |
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| [17:19:47] | handyhands_: | before I go, let me say I am glad for dumb TVs (the montitor/display), amd hope that the cable box and the TV don't merge |
| [17:19:51] | handyhands_: | see you |
| [17:20:06] | handyhands_: | and thank you very much for answering my questions and putting up with me |
| [17:21:05] | handyhands_: | bye jerry, I hope you get your setup how you want it |
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| [17:21:15] | jerry_l: | i tried using myth a few weeks ago before i got the DTV card and before i go changing hard drives and reinstalling myth i wanted to know what i should expect. |
| [17:23:00] | fedorared: | The manual describes configuration of capture devices and the channel editor |
| [17:23:19] | jerry_l: | cool. |
| [17:23:34] | jerry_l: | sounds familuar |
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| [17:25:25] | jerry_l: | (12:24:30 PM) ChanServ: (notice) [##linux-overflow] Make sure your nick is registered, then please try again to join ##linux. If you are using the freenode webchat gateway, we do apologize, but do to abuse it is not allowed in the channel at this time. Thank you. (no idling here please) |
| [17:25:46] | jerry_l: | how do i change this freenode? |
| [17:26:20] | Beirdo: | huh? |
| [17:26:32] | Beirdo: | this is not ##linux, not #freenode |
| [17:26:44] | Beirdo: | follow their directions |
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| [18:25:54] | Sp0tter: | I'm using arch linux, myth tv front and backend on the same box, and a hauppage 1250, my problem is that the sound does not change when i hit the volume buttons.. the graphic comes up on the OSD, but the actual sound voliume does not get lower |
| [18:26:05] | Sp0tter: | anyone heard of this before? using oss |
| [18:27:54] | wagnerrp: | how are you outputting sound? |
| [18:29:27] | wagnerrp: | i mean physically |
| [18:32:25] | Sp0tter: | wagnerrp: its going from the onboard audio card to some creative labs 2.1 speakers |
| [18:32:32] | Sp0tter: | via the mini jack |
| [18:32:44] | wagnerrp: | then you dont have the mixer set up properly |
| [18:32:56] | wagnerrp: | or maybe the mixer only works for ALSA |
| [18:32:59] | Sp0tter: | xbmc works fine |
| [18:33:02] | Sp0tter: | i put the asound.rc |
| [18:33:08] | Sp0tter: | setup to emulate for oss |
| [18:33:33] | iamlindoro: | Doesn't have anything to do with XBMC or anything else |
| [18:33:39] | iamlindoro: | you haven't configured the right mixer device in myth |
| [18:33:51] | iamlindoro: | So fix the mixer in your myth audio settings |
| [18:34:36] | Sp0tter: | alrighty |
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| [18:36:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: fwiw, regarding F10 and Python 2.5, j-rod mentioned on list that F12 is about to go EOL at the end of November, so we shouldn't be basing decisions of F10, it seems. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/457436#457436 |
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| [19:03:07] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: whats with the HVR-2250 link in the release notes? |
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| [19:03:53] | skd5aner: | Most tuners seems to have a wiki page – just staged the link in case someone wants to create it |
| [19:04:10] | wagnerrp: | no, we removed all those tuner wiki pages a month ago |
| [19:04:20] | jerry_l: | The IVTV project develops a kernel driver for Linux and a driver for X11 for hardware based on Conexant's CX23415/CX23416 codec chip such as the Hauppauge PVR 150/250/350/500 models and other supported hardware. |
| [19:04:46] | wagnerrp: | ok... |
| [19:04:52] | skd5aner: | well, I put that up sooner than am onth ago ;) |
| [19:05:00] | skd5aner: | or longer I should say ;) |
| [19:05:10] | jerry_l: | the Conexant CX23418 MPEG encoder as used in the Hauppauge HVR-1600 model |
| [19:05:22] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: pages like this one you mean? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_PVR-250 |
| [19:05:31] | jerry_l: | sorry for pasting but i was reading a wiki. |
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| [19:06:05] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: yeah, pages like that which are locked and archived, waiting for someone to copy the information over to the linuxtv wiki |
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| [19:07:45] | wagnerrp: | anyway, just wondered what it was there for |
| [19:08:11] | wagnerrp: | we removed all of those individual tuner pages, only ones we're keeping are ones like the HDHR for which we have special support |
| [19:08:43] | skd5aner: | NP, feel free to remove the staged link then I guess to discourage someone from creating it |
| [19:08:56] | wagnerrp: | will do, thanks |
| [19:10:46] | Sp0tter: | hmm its on the right stuff.. /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer ... if i put it to software mixer.. of course the sound works then but thats meh |
| [19:11:00] | Sp0tter: | i can see it playing in ossxmix |
| [19:11:05] | skd5aner: | I can probably guess the reasoning behind no tuner articles is that mythtv just consumes the API of DVB and IVTV, etc, but what's the harm in having wiki articles out there about them on mythtv's wiki? Just info sprawl? |
| [19:11:49] | wagnerrp: | having them on our wiki makes people think we are the authoritative source of information |
| [19:11:52] | iamlindoro: | The fact that everyone feels the need to editorialize on each tuner, in each distro, for each revision, usually with crap data |
| [19:12:00] | wagnerrp: | far too many people dont even know about the linuxtv wiki |
| [19:12:14] | iamlindoro: | Versus them being on the linuxtv wiki, where they specifically deal with that information and are equipped to clean up the misinformation |
| [19:12:38] | skd5aner: | yup, that's what I was guessing |
| [19:12:56] | wagnerrp: | i.e. 'this tuner is broken on linux', 'no, it just doesnt work on ubuntu without some effort', 'yes, this tuner is broken on linux' |
| [19:13:39] | iamlindoro: | And then the ensuing fight about "IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT OF THE BOX ON MY UBUNTU THEN IT'S BROKEN!" |
| [19:13:48] | iamlindoro: | And yes, I've had that argument... one of the S2 cards I think |
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| [19:15:08] | squidly: | that is one of the bigges issues with ubuntu users.. and ubuntu in general. |
| [19:15:26] | squidly: | ubuntu is not the be all end all of linux |
| [19:15:27] | jams__: | that it's broken? |
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| [19:15:56] | tgm4883: | squidly, wait, Linux != Ubuntu? |
| [19:15:59] | squidly: | no the users not willing to do a little work to get it working |
| [19:16:16] | ** tgm4883 was misinformed then ;) ** | |
| [19:16:16] | jerry_l: | what does "HDTV: Kaffeine will display HDTV delivered over DVB-S2 or DVB-S" mean? |
| [19:16:32] | ** sid3windr discovered a disadvantage in building a very quiet frontend – hearing his TV's built in fan.. doh ;) ** | |
| [19:16:35] | iamlindoro: | jerry_l: Why are you asking a kaffeine quesiton in #mythtv-users? |
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| [19:16:39] | squidly: | haha tgm4883 |
| [19:16:59] | tgm4883: | jerry_l, I would assume it means that With video captured by DVB-S2 or DVB-S, if you try to play it in Kaffeine it won't work |
| [19:17:07] | iamlindoro: | jerry_l: It means that Kaffeine can play back content from DVB-S or S2 cards |
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| [19:17:21] | iamlindoro: | but you'd really have to ask somewhere not here for further information |
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| [19:17:22] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, s/can/cannot/? |
| [19:17:23] | skd5aner: | heh... people want to evangalize the adoption of linux on the desktop... then get pissed when laymen start adopting linux on the desktop :P |
| [19:17:40] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883: no, why would I say cannot? |
| [19:17:51] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883: seems more like you mean "will work" |
| [19:17:53] | jerry_l: | i have a new card hvr 1600 and want to know the best way to use it... |
| [19:17:55] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, nm |
| [19:17:59] | ** tgm4883 can't read :( ** | |
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| [19:18:36] | wagnerrp: | jerry_l: you want to schedule recordings to occur automatically? |
| [19:18:37] | iamlindoro: | This isn't #htpc-concierge, as much as people would like it to be |
| [19:18:55] | wagnerrp: | jerry_l: or you just want to watch tv? |
| [19:19:25] | tgm4883: | /t Welcome to the official HTPC concierge support channel. Please ask any random question you like |
| [19:19:25] | jerry_l: | lets pretend like i only know how to install the card and see video. |
| [19:19:48] | tgm4883: | jerry_l, sounds more like reality |
| [19:19:56] | jerry_l: | lol |
| [19:20:05] | wagnerrp: | jerry_l: tell us what you want this machine to do, and we'll tell you if mythtv is right for the task |
| [19:20:10] | jerry_l: | lol aol lol. |
| [19:20:24] | wagnerrp: | aol? |
| [19:21:13] | tgm4883: | jerry_l, the issue is you came to a honda coupe racers modding channel and asked a question about a ford F150 |
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| [19:21:44] | wagnerrp: | hey now, i resent that comparison |
| [19:21:54] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, you have a F150? |
| [19:22:12] | tgm4883: | or you don't want to be compared having a souped up honda civic? |
| [19:22:13] | wagnerrp: | no, im no honda r[ai]cer |
| [19:22:14] | jerry_l: | PVR my tabletop dvd recorder doesnt record digital broadcast so i bought a card hoping to get really good recordings at reasonable file sizes |
| [19:22:46] | wagnerrp: | my engine doesnt sound like a broken telephone |
| [19:23:02] | tgm4883: | define – reasonable file sizes |
| [19:23:13] | wagnerrp: | 6–8GB/hr for ATSC |
| [19:23:25] | jerry_l: | under 1 gigB per hour. |
| [19:23:30] | tgm4883: | heh |
| [19:23:38] | wagnerrp: | no... 6–8GB/hr |
| [19:23:40] | tgm4883: | you want a pony too? |
| [19:23:42] | skd5aner: | yea, that's not reasonable at all |
| [19:24:03] | tgm4883: | skd5aner, wagnerrp, what about digital SD? |
| [19:24:09] | skd5aner: | still not reasonable |
| [19:24:11] | wagnerrp: | 1GB/hr for anything HD is garbage, regardless of the codec |
| [19:24:23] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, digital != HD |
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| [19:24:49] | wagnerrp: | i get about 0.7–1.2GB/hr from the local SD digital channels |
| [19:24:59] | wagnerrp: | but its not like you have a choice SD versus HD |
| [19:25:07] | wagnerrp: | you get what the broadcaster sends you, end of story |
| [19:25:20] | jerry_l: | (i have liked some of the 300mb 30min vids that i have seen but cant find anyone to talk to. torrent.) |
| [19:25:26] | Wicked: | hmmm. your 1 hour recordings are only ~1 gigs wagnerrp ? |
| [19:25:41] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: mine sends me both – digital SD channel and digital HD channel |
| [19:25:43] | fedorared: | SD. About the rate I get too |
| [19:25:52] | Wicked: | my sd recordings capped off a pvr150 come in at ~1 gigs per half hour lol |
| [19:26:04] | skd5aner: | but I hide the digital SD channels when I have an HD channel too, why have both :P |
| [19:26:20] | wagnerrp: | jerry_l: that is correct, such talk is forbidden in this channel |
| [19:26:20] | tgm4883: | jerry_l, asside from what you are saying being illegal, mpeg2 (which you are going to get from a digital recorder) isn't going to give you that. You will need to transcode with a better compressor |
| [19:26:45] | skd5aner: | Wicked: that depends on your recording bit rate settings |
| [19:26:54] | Wicked: | yea |
| [19:27:00] | wagnerrp: | jerry_l: as we mentioned, you can transcode the stuff to h264 later |
| [19:27:06] | Wicked: | i have mine ~4000 iirc |
| [19:27:06] | skd5aner: | Wicked: Mine come about to about 1.1GB/30 mins if I remember properly |
| [19:27:07] | wagnerrp: | but its much easier to just buy more hard drive space |
| [19:27:10] | jerry_l: | 7gB per hour |
| [19:27:13] | wagnerrp: | think about it |
| [19:27:31] | tgm4883: | and less time consuming |
| [19:27:43] | wagnerrp: | h264 is only capable of transparently compressing to 2–3x the original mpeg2 video |
| [19:27:55] | Wicked: | jerry_l, you can encode your recordings to something like xvid/x264....but its very cpu intensive |
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| [19:28:05] | wagnerrp: | which means that 7GB/hr (5GB/hr after commercials are cut) is going to drop to about 2GB/hr |
| [19:28:21] | skd5aner: | jerry_l: how much disk space do you have available? |
| [19:28:42] | wagnerrp: | so you spend ~10–12 CPU hours, and a good deal of your own time, to save 3GB |
| [19:28:45] | skd5aner: | I mean, buy a 2TB drive for ~$100 and let 'er rip. You'll be set for a long while, trust me |
| [19:28:54] | wagnerrp: | that 3GB is going to cost you all of $0.15 |
| [19:28:55] | jerry_l: | 1.5TB for all my files. |
| [19:29:09] | wagnerrp: | surely your time is worth more than that |
| [19:29:10] | tgm4883: | ..... |
| [19:29:15] | jerry_l: | lol |
| [19:29:28] | jerry_l: | i got a crapy job. |
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| [19:29:36] | wagnerrp: | jerry_l: weve all been here, weve thought this through |
| [19:29:40] | skd5aner: | well, maybe... but you had enough money to buy the card ;) |
| [19:29:51] | wagnerrp: | transcoding just doesnt make sense unless you need to change formats to be compatible with some device |
| [19:30:04] | tgm4883: | buy should never be before research |
| [19:30:12] | jerry_l: | i have an engineering degree for electronics, but there are no electronic manufacures nearby. |
| [19:30:14] | skd5aner: | everyone here will tell you, building |
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| [19:30:31] | skd5aner: | ... building "proper" mythtv systems is a hobby, not a cost savings :) |
| [19:30:58] | skd5aner: | jerry_l: where do you live? US? |
| [19:31:10] | wagnerrp: | sure there are, everyone needs electronics technicians |
| [19:31:50] | tgm4883: | move? |
| [19:32:23] | jerry_l: | basic setup: 80gig for system, 160gig for direct recording, 1.5TB (2) for storage. 2.8GHZ 2gigRam. |
| [19:32:55] | wagnerrp: | sounds like an old system... this isnt a P4 is it? |
| [19:32:58] | skd5aner: | 160 Gig – that's not going to last you very long |
| [19:33:15] | jerry_l: | US. got offers for far away places. i live in texas.few offers to move to other side of USA |
| [19:33:20] | tgm4883: | depends on watching habbits |
| [19:33:31] | wagnerrp: | 8GB/hr MPEG2 is going to give a 2.8GHz P4 a run for its money |
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| [19:33:36] | skd5aner: | lots of electronic's manufacturers in texas! |
| [19:33:39] | tgm4883: | I know a guy that works in EE in texas |
| [19:33:41] | skd5aner: | TI, Dell, etc |
| [19:33:49] | wagnerrp: | EE != 'electronics' |
| [19:34:22] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, my bad, he designs routers |
| [19:34:26] | jerry_l: | 160gig for direct recording and converting, burn it up and replace, save the 1.5s for viewing. |
| [19:34:33] | tgm4883: | high end routers |
| [19:34:57] | jerry_l: | dell is about 2hrs away. |
| [19:34:58] | wagnerrp: | electrical and computer engineering are the guys who design the stuff |
| [19:35:08] | skd5aner: | you record to the 160 then want to transfer the stored recroding to the 1.5TB drives? |
| [19:35:10] | wagnerrp: | 'electronics' are the guys who build and repair them |
| [19:35:14] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [19:35:44] | skd5aner: | Why not just record to the 2 1.5TB drives directly? |
| [19:35:58] | skd5aner: | call it a day |
| [19:36:09] | tgm4883: | +1 |
| [19:36:11] | jerry_l: | yes transfer recordings compressed for later viewing like those satilite tv boxes that can record tv for later viewing. |
| [19:36:43] | tgm4883: | just record the mpeg2 stream to the 1.5tb drive? |
| [19:37:02] | tgm4883: | set mythtv to keep 20GB or so free |
| [19:37:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | easy way -> the way every other player can do it. (external subs) |
| [19:37:09] | tgm4883: | set it and forget it TM |
| [19:37:43] | jerry_l: | he designs routers – i used to work for cisco in austinTX – manufacturing. |
| [19:37:46] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: no, the 'easy way' it to leave them bitmapped, so you dont have to train your OCR program to generate the text files |
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| [19:39:52] | JEDIDIAH__: | this sort of single feature fixation is probably why I still need to use an external player in 0.23 |
| [19:40:14] | JEDIDIAH__: | although things have impoved somewhat |
| [19:40:38] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: mythtv could use external srts just fine in 0.23 |
| [19:40:51] | wagnerrp: | it was just lacking support for text subs in mkvs, which has been added in 0.24 |
| [19:41:04] | JEDIDIAH__: | actually, no 0.23 doesn't. |
| [19:41:25] | wagnerrp: | yes, it will read an external '.srt' of the same basename as the video |
| [19:45:52] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: the point is... the only reason you should have text subtitles is if you downloaded someone's 3rd party subtitle track online or if you have old analog recordings that you used ccextract on |
| [19:46:10] | wagnerrp: | digital recordings, DVDs, blurays... theyre all going to have bitmapped subtitles |
| [19:46:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | not necessarily. |
| [19:46:30] | JEDIDIAH__: | plenty don't. |
| [19:47:33] | smooph1: | I have a question regarding the metatags ... I have a couple of series as dvd images ... is there a way to say that episodes 1–5 on season2 are on this 1 file ? |
| [19:47:55] | smooph1: | same thing for season3 episode 1 and 2 in one file |
| [19:48:09] | wagnerrp: | not currently, if you want to manage them as separate files, youll have to split them apart |
| [19:48:51] | wagnerrp: | sphery: around? |
| [19:49:42] | wagnerrp: | sphery: thats an interesting use case that may be doable during the schema rework ^^^ |
| [19:50:10] | wagnerrp: | repurpose the videopart table to work in reverse |
| [19:50:21] | wagnerrp: | map one file to multiple metadata objects |
| [19:50:38] | wagnerrp: | and use the 'order' field to specify the title number on the ISO |
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| [19:52:09] | smooph1: | another question I organize my episodes by name>season>episodes and in "galery view" sometimes the top level (name) shows the meta information sometimes it doesn't is there a method behind that? |
| [19:53:22] | wagnerrp: | the only metadata the show name would get is the artwork, and that is based off the image search |
| [19:54:34] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo will search for artwork for a grandparent directory, if the format is '<title>/<season #>/show', and the show title in the metadata matches that of the name of the grandparent directory |
| [19:55:19] | wagnerrp: | so say your folder is named 'The Office', but you downloaded metadata from thetvdb.com and the real title is 'The Office (US)', it wont match |
| [19:56:17] | smooph1: | so i have to check what name the metadata coverart got and change the foldername to that |
| [19:57:10] | wagnerrp: | the coverart file itself doesnt matter |
| [19:57:24] | wagnerrp: | its the title mythvideo has stored for that specific video in the database |
| [19:57:33] | wagnerrp: | the title in the database much match the folder name |
| [19:58:04] | smooph1: | how can i find out the title in the database? |
| [19:58:27] | smooph1: | i |
| [19:58:40] | skd5aner: | It's what is displayed |
| [19:58:48] | skd5aner: | or, in the metadata editor |
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| [20:02:31] | smooph: | kk thanks I understand |
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| [20:05:12] | smooph: | do you guys know an mass tag editor like kid3 but for video ? |
| [20:08:03] | wagnerrp: | videos dont support internal tags |
| [20:08:16] | wagnerrp: | there is no standardized format like id3 |
| [20:08:51] | smooph: | so all the information just comes from the filename? |
| [20:09:07] | wagnerrp: | initially, yes |
| [20:09:16] | wagnerrp: | title, subtitle, season, and episode come from the filename |
| [20:09:24] | wagnerrp: | the data grabber scripts can pull additional information |
| [20:09:44] | smooph: | ok |
| [20:09:45] | wagnerrp: | right now, we get fed from thetvdb.com and themoviedb.org |
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| [20:14:24] | smooph: | do you guys have like a feature wishlist voting ? |
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| [20:14:47] | wagnerrp: | wishlist voting? |
| [20:15:07] | skd5aner: | feature requests are in the wiki |
| [20:15:11] | wagnerrp: | oh, misread that |
| [20:15:13] | wagnerrp: | right... |
| [20:15:21] | wagnerrp: | there are several wishlist pages on the wiki |
| [20:15:21] | smooph: | yeah ... where people can vote for an item of the wishlist |
| [20:15:26] | wagnerrp: | but no voting of any sort |
| [20:15:43] | skd5aner: | I'm assuming "feature wishlist" voting would be like the thing I was talking about a few weeks ago wagnerrp: ideatorrent |
| [20:15:46] | wagnerrp: | the wishlist exists as ideas for anyone looking for something to work on |
| [20:16:06] | wagnerrp: | not as any list of future tasks for developers |
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| [20:16:14] | smooph: | yeah sure i understand from developers for developers |
| [20:16:37] | wagnerrp: | its the same with most open source projects |
| [20:16:47] | wagnerrp: | everyone works on scratching their own little itch |
| [20:17:21] | djbello: | Hi everybody. Is there a way to query either the mythconverg database or the mythtv backend to find out if any client is currently connected and watching a recording? |
| [20:17:27] | djbello: | Help much appreciated... |
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| [20:17:31] | jerry_l: | i keep geting a trancoding failed. it seems tour FFMPEG installation lacks the following mpeg audio layer 1/2/3 do not contact VLC about this issue. |
| [20:18:06] | skd5aner: | you've probably got to install and link liblame into it |
| [20:18:07] | wagnerrp: | jerry_l: we dont support ffmpeg or vlc |
| [20:18:13] | skd5aner: | but, that's out of the pervue here |
| [20:18:34] | wagnerrp: | djbello: there is no way to find a list of clients connected to the backend |
| [20:18:55] | wagnerrp: | the closest you can get is to pull a list of frontends with the remote control interface set up from the database |
| [20:19:03] | wagnerrp: | and loop through them looking for ones that connect |
| [20:19:04] | jerry_l: | what is the differnce between front end CD and backend? |
| [20:19:15] | djbello: | wagnerrp: That's unfortunate... |
| [20:19:18] | wagnerrp: | 'front end CD'? |
| [20:19:31] | wagnerrp: | djbello: 0.23 or 0.24? |
| [20:19:54] | wagnerrp: | jerry_l: you probably want to read http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
| [20:20:19] | stevieman: | So what alternatives do I have other than mythbuntu? I'm not impressed with that group |
| [20:20:48] | djbello: | wagnerrp: 0.23 on Mythbuntu 10.04 LTS |
| [20:20:50] | skd5aner: | mythdora |
| [20:20:59] | wagnerrp: | linhes |
| [20:21:14] | skd5aner: | linhes |
| [20:21:17] | wagnerrp: | djbello: do you know any python |
| [20:21:18] | skd5aner: | he got it |
| [20:21:23] | tgm4883: | me neither, bunch of namby pambies |
| [20:21:27] | skd5aner: | stevieman: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_distros |
| [20:21:35] | stevieman: | cool thanks |
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| [20:21:42] | djbello: | wagnerrp: Not really, but I am ok with shell scripting and MySQL |
| [20:21:47] | tgm4883: | wait, thats not right |
| [20:21:49] | djbello: | (if that helps) |
| [20:21:52] | tgm4883: | stevieman, whats wrong with mythbuntu? |
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| [20:22:16] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: its written by a bunch of namby pambies |
| [20:22:22] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [20:22:31] | skd5aner: | lol |
| [20:22:42] | tgm4883: | see, I had a defense for no talent hacks, but not for namby pambies |
| [20:23:20] | stevieman: | tgm4883: First 10.04 was released with a buggy version of .23 (thanks to wagnerrp for pointing that out to me) and now lirc isn't working which apparently is a known issue in mythbuntu 10.04 and .10 |
| [20:24:17] | tgm4883: | stevieman, well the lirc issue is a larger ubuntu one, but I don't recall it being an issue with 10.04 |
| [20:24:28] | tgm4883: | the 10.04 mythtv version i'll give you though |
| [20:24:50] | djbello: | wagnerrp: Here's my predicament: I am VPN'ed into my mythtv box at home and just ran mythbuntu updates that require restart (new kernel). I don't know if the Mrs. is watching any shows right now. Yes, I COULD call her. But she might also be taking a nap with our little baby and I don't want to wake her up for this. Makes sense (from a dad's perspective) ? |
| [20:25:11] | stevieman: | and the pvr-150 irblaster not working for the past 3 versions 8,9 and now 10 is just dumb |
| [20:25:59] | wagnerrp: | djbello: try http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1973140 |
| [20:26:08] | tgm4883: | hmm, I don't use that, but let me check for a bug report |
| [20:26:12] | wagnerrp: | should print out a list of all open frontends, and where they currently are |
| [20:26:19] | stevieman: | tgm4883: yah I'll give them that but not saying anything about lirc being an issue burns my britches :) |
| [20:26:44] | tgm4883: | stevieman, what do you mean not saying anything about lirc being an issue? |
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| [20:27:12] | djbello: | wagnerrp: how do I run this? |
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| [20:27:23] | wagnerrp: | save to a file... 'python <file>' |
| [20:28:23] | stevieman: | tgm4883: on the mythbuntu site, when I grabbed the ISO last week there was no note or bug announcement nothing to let me know of the problem. Also nothing letting me know of the buggy pre-release mythtv that was packaged. |
| [20:28:51] | djbello: | wagnerrp: Get error message: NameError: name 'MythDB' is not defined |
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| [20:29:57] | stevieman: | tgm4883: The only know issues with 10.04 are with MythNetvision and mythstream |
| [20:30:10] | wagnerrp: | but... you just imported it |
| [20:30:15] | djbello: | wagnerrp: is the first line in Pastbin part of the script? |
| [20:30:20] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [20:31:21] | wagnerrp: | in 0.24, its a bit simpler and more efficient... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1973144 |
| [20:31:25] | djbello: | Ahhhhhhh. Ok. It's running. Doesn't seem to have a client connection right now. I gotta test this a little. Thanks dude! |
| [20:31:50] | ** tgm4883 does magic ** | |
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| [20:33:51] | wagnerrp: | oh oh! its magic! |
| [20:33:52] | djbello: | wagnerrp: Hmmm. List is empty, but when I ps -ef | grep frontend, I see three mythfrontend.real entries |
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| [20:36:04] | wagnerrp: | djbello: then you must not have the remote control interface set up for any |
| [20:36:28] | wagnerrp: | note that the port setting is global per-machine |
| [20:36:39] | wagnerrp: | so unless you override it, they will all vie for the same port |
| [20:36:58] | wagnerrp: | so you will only ever be able to connect to the first one started (unless you override it on startup) |
| [20:37:16] | djbello: | wagnerrp: I a wondering right now if I can just utilize the log file for the purpose I'm looking for. |
| [20:37:36] | wagnerrp: | you could... but it would be painful |
| [20:37:43] | djbello: | wagnerrp: I am a little suspicious why I have 2 open frontends (I just killed the one I had launched for testing) |
| [20:38:28] | djbello: | wagnerrp: I know. It's a text file... grep and awk are my friends. But still... |
| [20:38:37] | mtrax: | just saw that F12 is EOL next month, should upgrade to F13 or F14? |
| [20:39:04] | wagnerrp: | if you wish to get any further updates |
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| [20:39:50] | ** tgm4883 does more magic ** | |
| [20:39:59] | mtrax: | is it worthwhile jumping to F14 next month or just skip to F13 |
| [20:39:59] | tgm4883: | stevieman, done |
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| [20:41:20] | mtrax: | any F14 features which improve MythTV etc.. |
| [20:41:27] | stevieman: | tgm4883: awesome, now fix the lirc issue jk :) |
| [20:41:37] | tgm4883: | stevieman, working on it :) |
| [20:42:28] | stevieman: | tgm4883: cause I seriously like mythbuntu but that RC issue well that was bad |
| [20:42:31] | fedorared: | Install F13 now, or wait a few weeks if you don't need it now |
| [20:42:46] | stevieman: | tgm4883: but that you for putting the note there |
| [20:42:53] | stevieman: | tgm4883: but thank you for putting the note there |
| [20:42:58] | tgm4883: | well as said before, it wasn't 100% our fault. But we have taken measures for that to not happen in the future |
| [20:43:07] | mtrax: | I guess F13 would be the safest option, right |
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| [20:44:06] | stevieman: | tgm4883: Honestly it wouldn't have bothered me one bit if your note had of been there. Big thing is it's there now |
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| [20:44:39] | tgm4883: | stevieman, yep, there now. If you see anything in the future feel free to ping me |
| [20:44:59] | fedorared: | mtrax: I would not recommend running pre release Fedora unless you really know what you are getting into |
| [20:45:09] | stevieman: | tgm4883: sure will do, so 10.04 shouldn't have a blaster issue? |
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| [20:45:46] | tgm4883: | IDK, like I said I don't use the IR blaster. I hadn't heard of an issue with it, nor remember seeing a bug report on it. That doesn't mean the issue doesn't exist |
| [20:45:54] | mtrax: | I really meant upgrading next month, but I think I will go with F13 despite being unlucky # |
| [20:46:28] | djbello: | wagnerrp: So there's no other way to see what's going on with my clients? Does the database keep track of connections? |
| [20:46:35] | stevieman: | tgm4883: ok, well I'll double check my connections. there is a good chance the plug isn't in all the way |
| [20:46:57] | stevieman: | tgm4883: When I couldn't get it to work I found this (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1597886) |
| [20:47:03] | fedorared: | mtrax: That's fine, but my F13 box runs myth from rpmfusion repo |
| [20:48:03] | wagnerrp: | djbello: the backend keeps track of them obviously, but it does not make that information available |
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| [20:48:47] | djbello: | wagnerrp: so it knows what client is currently streaming a recording, but doesn't save it in any table |
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| [20:49:21] | wagnerrp: | there is the 'inuseprograms' table |
| [20:49:30] | wagnerrp: | but the only real external access it through the telnet socket |
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| [20:50:31] | djbello: | wagnerrp: I see it. |
| [20:50:57] | djbello: | wagnerrp: So that table is currently empty. What does that mean? |
| [20:51:38] | wagnerrp: | should mean nothing is actively watching a program |
| [20:51:48] | wagnerrp: | doesnt mean nothing is in mythvideo, or navigating through the menu |
| [20:52:29] | djbello: | So if I started watching a recording (not mythvideo), that table should have an entry. |
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| [20:53:19] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [21:01:10] | djbello: | wagnerrp: Hm... well, I think I'll wait until I'm home to test this a little further. Thanks for the good pointers. |
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| [21:02:41] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you in? |
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| [21:03:59] | kisak: | riddle me this, is there a cheap way to go from the optical audio (spdif?) on the back of a HD tv to an analog (aka cheap) speaker set? |
| [21:04:20] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [21:04:41] | Beirdo: | kinda, whazzup? |
| [21:05:07] | wagnerrp: | you said you didnt want this thing to rely on select, but what other option is there really? |
| [21:05:25] | wagnerrp: | set IO to non-blocking, and just 'read' from everything? |
| [21:05:43] | Beirdo: | well, I don't want the main part of the loop (where it blocks the thread) to depend on select |
| [21:05:54] | Beirdo: | I'd rather have it block on waitpid |
| [21:06:21] | Beirdo: | but we can do a non-blocking select after waitpid returns (with a timeout or with a victim pid) |
| [21:06:27] | wagnerrp: | no, select would only be used for managing buffered IO |
| [21:06:27] | Beirdo: | does that make more sense? |
| [21:06:38] | kisak: | wagnerrp: well, is there a cheap way to route optical audio back to the mythfrontend and pump it out the audio chipset? |
| [21:07:10] | Beirdo: | right, but if the timeout on the waitpid is low enough (100ms should be OK), we can select after the timeout to read all pending data |
| [21:07:20] | wagnerrp: | your cheap speaker set sounds better than those in your TV? |
| [21:08:02] | kisak: | a cheap surround sound set would be better than 2 flat speakers |
| [21:08:14] | Beirdo: | I've seen cases before with timeouts with select causing missed signals (or something like that) and I'd rather try as our first pass to not be blocking on select |
| [21:08:17] | Beirdo: | make sense? |
| [21:08:26] | wagnerrp: | ive moved 'waitpid' to MythSystem::Wait |
| [21:08:39] | wagnerrp: | it just sits there and waits for the mutex to be unlocked by the reaper |
| [21:08:44] | wagnerrp: | indicating the thread has closed |
| [21:08:53] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt touch the IO |
| [21:09:21] | wagnerrp: | however the same thread that would check for closure and unlock the mutex would also be doing select and managing the IP |
| [21:09:22] | wagnerrp: | IO |
| [21:09:36] | Beirdo: | ummm |
| [21:09:55] | Beirdo: | there should be exactly one thread in our entire program using waitpid |
| [21:10:01] | Beirdo: | waitpid(-1) |
| [21:10:13] | Beirdo: | otherwise we will have zombies, guaranteed |
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| [21:10:21] | wagnerrp: | you mean the builtin waitpid, not MythSystemReaper::waitPid |
| [21:10:28] | Beirdo: | correct |
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| [21:10:31] | Beirdo: | the system call |
| [21:10:40] | jerry_l: | zombies? |
| [21:11:02] | jerry_l: | same as ghosts? |
| [21:11:12] | Beirdo: | if you use waitpid(pid) then some will slip through again, and we have zombies once again |
| [21:11:23] | wagnerrp: | zombies == closed programs with references/pipes/whatever left open |
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| [21:11:39] | jerry_l: | o i c. thanks. |
| [21:11:58] | Beirdo: | zombies are child processes that have died whose parent process has not yet done waitpid to clean them up :) |
| [21:12:06] | Beirdo: | to be unix-complete :0 |
| [21:12:08] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [21:12:18] | kisak: | I had some zombie issues a couple months ago, we're good here now though |
| [21:12:19] | kormoc: | zombies same as ghosts? |
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| [21:13:58] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: so basically, in the loop I had right in the reaper thread, there's a waitpid(-1). That should remain in the central thread wherever it gets moved to. If we need another central thread to suck down buffers, we can do that, but we should be able to do a non-blocking select after waitpid(-1) returns |
| [21:14:29] | Beirdo: | that make more sense? The waitPid() function just confuses things if we aren't careful which we speak of :) |
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| [21:15:17] | jerry_l: | does mythtv come with a video converter ts>h264 ? |
| [21:15:20] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the only issue im not sure about now is the sleep timing |
| [21:15:24] | wagnerrp: | jerry_l: no |
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| [21:15:32] | iamlindoro: | jerry_l: Since one is a container, and the other a codec, that's impossible |
| [21:15:39] | wagnerrp: | right now, its sleeping for 100ms between waitpid runs |
| [21:15:52] | wagnerrp: | that seems like awfully long to sit between checking pipes |
| [21:15:53] | Beirdo: | right |
| [21:15:57] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [21:16:03] | wagnerrp: | especially considering they can only hold 64KB |
| [21:16:11] | Beirdo: | what precisely are we going to be pulling out of these pipes? |
| [21:16:12] | wagnerrp: | sure, that would probably be fine for text grabbers |
| [21:16:27] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know what we would be pulling out in the future |
| [21:16:32] | Beirdo: | it's stdout of the called programs |
| [21:16:44] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [21:16:48] | Beirdo: | if it becomes an issue later, we can deal with tweaking |
| [21:17:00] | jerry_l: | i have a recorded video.ts and want to convert it. i was looking at mythexport but am very confused... |
| [21:17:06] | Beirdo: | if any program's spewing harder than that, we likely don't even want its output |
| [21:17:07] | wagnerrp: | im talking about someone wanting to inline ffmpeg or something |
| [21:17:19] | wagnerrp: | would we ever want to handle that |
| [21:17:29] | Beirdo: | hmm, possibly |
| [21:17:31] | wagnerrp: | i suppose if we did, we wouldnt want it buffered |
| [21:17:39] | wagnerrp: | let whatever is using it manage it |
| [21:17:45] | Beirdo: | but if we do, we'll deal with it then, I guess |
| [21:17:49] | wagnerrp: | yeah... 100ms works |
| [21:18:19] | Beirdo: | and just set the timeout to 0 (both fields of the timeval) and it becomes non-blocking :) |
| [21:18:30] | Beirdo: | if you hadn't figured that part out yet |
| [21:18:41] | wagnerrp: | timeval? |
| [21:18:58] | Beirdo: | man select |
| [21:19:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [21:19:12] | wagnerrp: | ah, right... im sure the syntax is nearly identical to in python |
| [21:19:13] | kormoc: | I like woman select personally |
| [21:19:14] | Beirdo: | 5th argument is struct timeval *timeout |
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| [21:19:49] | Beirdo: | you need struct timeval tv; tv.tv_sec = 0; tv.tv_usec = 0; (IIRC) |
| [21:20:24] | Beirdo: | then use &tv as the 5th arg :) |
| [21:20:50] | Beirdo: | select is a joy at first :) |
| [21:20:59] | wagnerrp: | oh, im sure ill need your help clenaing up the pointers/addressing/dereferencing crap |
| [21:21:09] | Beirdo: | hehe, no problem |
| [21:21:21] | wagnerrp: | ive not done enough complex stuff to ever get that stuff clear in my head |
| [21:22:02] | Beirdo: | yeah, a common thing, really :) |
| [21:34:34] | kormoc: | Beirdo, so just wondering, how many drives are you after? |
| [21:36:19] | Beirdo: | 4 would be good, I guess |
| [21:36:28] | kormoc: | kk |
| [21:36:55] | ** Beirdo watches his current drives hitting 60% full :) ** | |
| [21:37:17] | Beirdo: | this is what happens when you go away for a looong weekend :0 |
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| [21:37:54] | Beirdo: | but my new frontend is up as of last night, just need to add lirc and I should be good for the moment |
| [21:37:57] | kormoc: | I'm thinking $50 per would be a fair price for them and I'll be wiping them over the next few days so they'll be ready for you to grab soon |
| [21:38:10] | Beirdo: | OK, that sounds reasonable to me |
| [21:38:23] | kormoc: | snaz |
| [21:38:27] | skd5aner: | How many do you have? |
| [21:38:43] | kormoc: | I have 7 1 tb WD blacks and 2 500 gb WD blacks |
| [21:38:49] | kormoc: | (unused that is) |
| [21:38:50] | skd5aner: | SATA? |
| [21:38:53] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [21:40:29] | skd5aner: | hmmm, I might possibly be interested in 2 1TBs |
| [21:40:50] | skd5aner: | that is, if you're selling |
| [21:41:17] | kormoc: | I am |
| [21:41:41] | ** iamlindoro has 11 1 TBs and will undercut kormoc in volume! ** | |
| [21:41:47] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [21:41:57] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:42:00] | wagnerrp: | yeah... but think of the shipping |
| [21:42:00] | skd5aner: | hmmm, let me think about it... $50/drive (that include shipping)? |
| [21:42:04] | iamlindoro: | I do actually have 11 sitting on the shelf, but you never know when you'll need one ;) |
| [21:42:15] | kormoc: | skd5aner, nah, no shipping on that price |
| [21:42:28] | Beirdo: | for me, shipping is a several block walk from work, so no issues there for me :) |
| [21:42:29] | skd5aner: | hrmmm |
| [21:43:12] | skd5aner: | well, if someone wants them they can have them, but I'll consider it |
| [21:43:28] | kormoc: | kk |
| [21:44:31] | skd5aner: | a drive in my array on my windows box went out, and they're 90% full anyway (250GB) so, I could move 2 of my 750s out of the mythbox, replace the C drives in the win machine with those, and put the 1TBs in place of the 750s in the mythbox |
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| [21:45:34] | Beirdo: | sounds like a fun time of data transfer. |
| [21:46:49] | Beirdo: | for me: pop in one drive, add to storage group... transfer contents of 300G + 320G drive to it, yank those two, add 2 1TB, transfer contents of 500G drive, yank it, put in the 4th 1TB |
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| [21:47:14] | Beirdo: | actually, I could dump all three current drives onto one of the 1TB, couldn't I? |
| [21:47:24] | wagnerrp: | probably |
| [21:47:41] | Beirdo: | unless they are full, of course, then I'd be just a bit over |
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| [22:05:31] | kisak: | hmm ... seems that http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102017 is the best chance I have for success for what I'm thinking about (optical audio backfeed from a HD tv to cheap surround sound speakers) |
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| [23:08:27] | wagnerrp: | kisak: why not just get a set of 'cheap surround speakers' with digital inputs |
| [23:08:40] | wagnerrp: | i know logitech makes a couple sets that do so |
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| [23:23:33] | Wicked: | whats the current myth protocol version? |
| [23:26:16] | Beirdo: | use the source, Luke |
| [23:26:41] | Wicked: | hehe |
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| [23:27:09] | Wicked: | not that big of a deal. was just curious. i dont know if i even have the source here |
| [23:27:13] | Wicked: | or what to grep |
| [23:27:16] | Wicked: | ;) |
| [23:31:14] | kormoc: | current protocol depends on which branch you're on |
| [23:31:54] | Wicked: | yea. would you happen to know what 0.23-fixes and 0.24-fixes use? |
| [23:33:51] | kormoc: | no, I would not |
| [23:34:05] | k-man: | so i've been trying to follow the dummy tuner card instructions. the only card type i can see with mpeg-2 in it is the IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card. it says failed to probe when i type that in. then when i look in the input connections screen, there is nothing there |
| [23:34:12] | sphery: | you could run mythbackend --version on whatever box you have now |
| [23:34:30] | Wicked: | ah perfect sphery! |
| [23:34:33] | Wicked: | thanks :) |
| [23:34:38] | sphery: | k-man: in trunk there's an easier setup for demo tuners |
| [23:34:42] | kormoc: | k-man, are you using -trunk? what os is the backend on? |
| [23:34:45] | sphery: | that said, in trunk, they don't work properly |
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| [23:35:03] | sphery: | in 0.23-fixes, don't try a demo card (even though they work, they have a lot of limitations) |
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| [23:35:20] | k-man: | kormoc: no, the .debs |
| [23:35:38] | k-man: | this is on a vm i was setting up for testing purposes, i might compule trunk then |
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| [23:39:56] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: would you believe me if i said it was 0x3633? |
| [23:40:21] | k-man: | i heard a rumour that there is a git repo of mythtv |
| [23:40:28] | Wicked: | hehe i would...but i wouldnt really know what to make out of it lol |
| [23:40:50] | Wicked: | :o ...i been curious as to why mythtv doesnt switch to git |
| [23:41:35] | k-man: | Wicked: i heard that there is talk of switching |
| [23:42:46] | Wicked: | nice |
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| [23:43:33] | k-man: | Wicked: http://git.jannau.net/git/mythtv.complete/ |
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| [23:44:46] | Wicked: | ah nice. |
| [23:44:49] | kormoc: | there is plenty of talk about switching to git |
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| [23:45:22] | iamlindoro: | and still a fair number of us remaining unconvinced :P |
| [23:45:23] | kormoc: | but as for reasons why to switch and/or why not to switch, there are plenty of pluses and minuses for svn and git, so it's not a black/white sorta decision |
| [23:45:51] | iamlindoro: | All the people who want to switch have decided that we've decided, and all of us who don't are pretty sure we haven't ;) |
| [23:46:04] | ** Captain_Murdoch agrees ** | |
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| [23:51:22] | sphery: | kormoc: that explains the color scheme for Trac--not black/white, definitely a lot of gray |
| [23:52:04] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: what revision number are you on? |
| [23:52:21] | iamlindoro: | rflksdhgfhgslfgh548385404jtgsflgjdflkghdf9324–39tsgsg7f |
| [23:52:31] | iamlindoro: | ^^ git revision |
| [23:52:43] | kormoc: | 26882 |
| [23:52:46] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [23:52:50] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, I really do dislike that |
| [23:52:56] | iamlindoro: | you and me both. A lot. |
| [23:53:00] | wagnerrp: | i thought they were hex |
| [23:53:31] | wagnerrp: | or are they fully alphanumeric? |
| [23:53:52] | kormoc: | they're hex |
| [23:54:02] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, I was just being flip |
| [23:54:12] | iamlindoro: | But we did just resync to c32862b77dea4eac592f41368157889d77710b22 of libbluray this morning ;) |
| [23:54:42] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that /was/ the intent of my comment |
| [23:56:28] | Captain_Murdoch: | and if you decode those into ascii, most of them are actually in fact comments like "heh, morons think these revisions numbers are truly random" |
| [23:56:38] | kormoc: | Heh, they're actually checksums |
| [23:56:55] | sphery: | iamlindoro: what? the wiki page says nothing of the sort! 8-| |
| [23:57:03] | iamlindoro: | sphery, oh yes it does |
| [23:57:16] | iamlindoro: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/ExternalLibraries |
| [23:57:17] | sphery: | oh, /this/ time you update |
| [23:57:26] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [23:57:34] | ** sphery vows to re-check before calling you on it, again ** | |
| [23:57:36] | iamlindoro: | yep... just a few minutes ago, in fact |
| [23:57:50] | iamlindoro: | yeah, you betta check yoself |
| [23:57:56] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:59:17] | iamlindoro: | And as the founder of the page, I declare I get some slack about updating it :) |
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