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| [00:04:44] | nachtarbeiter: | hi, i just get a "please wait" when i try to watch live tv. what could be wrong? (PVR150, working with vlc, mythtv on ubuntu maverick) |
| [00:09:35] | JEDIDIAH__: | is there a list of working/broken titles for the BD support in 0.23 & 0.24? |
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| [00:10:33] | wagnerrp: | in 0.23, the list is 'none' |
| [00:10:42] | wagnerrp: | in 0.24, the list is 'all (that dont use BD+) |
| [00:10:59] | JEDIDIAH__: | as far as liberated titles, go 2 of my 3 seem to work fine. |
| [00:11:19] | JEDIDIAH__: | on 0.23 |
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| [00:11:52] | darkdrgn2k3: | anye one here run an ion? |
| [00:12:08] | darkdrgn2k3: | lowone: do you use hdmi out on the zotec? |
| [00:12:40] | [R]: | nachtarbeiter: what does it say in the log |
| [00:13:02] | [R]: | darkdrgn2k3: yup |
| [00:13:15] | ** [R] huggles his ion ** | |
| [00:13:17] | darkdrgn2k3: | [r] whats the secret.. i cant get mine to work for the life of me :( |
| [00:13:31] | [R]: | darkdrgn2k3: well "can't get it to work" is very broad |
| [00:13:36] | [R]: | darkdrgn2k3: i could say hit the power button |
| [00:13:40] | darkdrgn2k3: | ok here http://pastebin.ca/1971374 |
| [00:13:53] | darkdrgn2k3: | thast when i set myth to alsa:hdmi:card=nvidia |
| [00:13:56] | darkdrgn2k3: | i see that in dmes |
| [00:14:10] | [R]: | and if you dont use hdmi it works? |
| [00:14:19] | [R]: | what kernel? |
| [00:14:20] | darkdrgn2k3: | i can play it via the intel chipset |
| [00:14:28] | darkdrgn2k3: | (using speakers connected to the front) |
| [00:14:36] | darkdrgn2k3: | 2.6.34.7–61.fc13.i686.PAE |
| [00:14:49] | nachtarbeiter: | [R]: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/z61U2R6U |
| [00:14:50] | darkdrgn2k3: | nvidia drivers NVIDIA-Linux-x86–260.19.12.run |
| [00:15:22] | [R]: | nachtarbeiter: the backend og |
| [00:15:25] | [R]: | log* |
| [00:15:50] | [R]: | darkdrgn2k3: weird... i use ALSA:hdmi and it "just works" for me |
| [00:16:17] | darkdrgn2k3: | [r]: no asound.conf ? |
| [00:16:19] | [R]: | nope |
| [00:16:22] | iamlindoro: | JEDIDIAH__, anything with seamless branching, or seamless branching multiangle will not work, unsupported by the library yet |
| [00:17:01] | [R]: | darkdrgn2k3: what ion has an intel chipset for audio |
| [00:17:17] | JEDIDIAH__: | 2 out of 3 is still a nice improvement. |
| [00:17:17] | [R]: | isn't that kinda defating the purpose of ion |
| [00:17:18] | darkdrgn2k3: | runin a zbox |
| [00:17:27] | [R]: | ion is supposed to be all nvidia chips i thought |
| [00:17:41] | darkdrgn2k3: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/3KhB3aae <- thats when i set it to alsa:hdmi only |
| [00:17:57] | darkdrgn2k3: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/qKjYUckZ <- my lspci |
| [00:18:00] | nachtarbeiter: | [R] ahh there is an other one... http://mythtv.pastebin.com/LPUiHAvj ok i see two issues there |
| [00:18:32] | [R]: | thats some crappy ion |
| [00:18:35] | [R]: | my ion has asll nvidia chips |
| [00:18:39] | JohnQ: | Anyone played with the command IR III mini yet? |
| [00:18:52] | JohnQ: | Trying to get mine working and hitting some snags |
| [00:18:56] | darkdrgn2k3: | http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=53255& . . . acture=Zotac |
| [00:19:55] | [R]: | nachtarbeiter: you said pvr150... did you set it up right? |
| [00:19:57] | darkdrgn2k3: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/773bjDbd <- that using the myth suggested alsa:hdmi:card=nvidia |
| [00:20:27] | [R]: | darkdrgn2k3: well the oops is kinda really bad |
| [00:20:45] | darkdrgn2k3: | ? |
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| [00:21:09] | [R]: | darkdrgn2k3: the origail thing you pasted |
| [00:21:12] | [R]: | is a kernel oops |
| [00:21:13] | [R]: | which is really bad |
| [00:21:21] | darkdrgn2k3: | [r]: looks more like trace then a segfault |
| [00:21:24] | darkdrgn2k3: | only appears once... |
| [00:21:30] | darkdrgn2k3: | once i start playing. not again |
| [00:21:34] | [R]: | cuz its already crashed |
| [00:21:50] | darkdrgn2k3: | is it the binary nvidia drivers you think? |
| [00:22:00] | [R]: | i use them |
| [00:22:07] | darkdrgn2k3: | which version u using |
| [00:22:12] | [R]: | whatever the latest in ubuntu 10.04 is |
| [00:22:18] | [R]: | 256 maybe |
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| [00:22:26] | [R]: | but thats a crash in the audio drivert |
| [00:22:32] | [R]: | which has nothign to do with graphics |
| [00:23:03] | darkdrgn2k3: | [r] i thoght ibnaries had somethign to do with audio to? |
| [00:23:07] | [R]: | no |
| [00:23:15] | [R]: | the kernel supports nvidia sound natively |
| [00:23:47] | darkdrgn2k3: | funny thing is if i try speaker-test i dont get the crash i dont think |
| [00:24:23] | nachtarbeiter: | [R] yes PVR150, set up within mythtv? i'm not sure. i set up some things in the backend config tool. capture card, video provider, connections. |
| [00:24:38] | [R]: | nachtarbeiter: yes... but did you set it up correctly? |
| [00:26:13] | darkdrgn2k3: | i REALLY dont want to go with ubuntu! |
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| [00:27:23] | [R]: | who knows... it could be that pulseaudio trash also |
| [00:27:38] | darkdrgn2k3: | i dont use pulse audio |
| [00:30:59] | nachtarbeiter: | [R]: apparently not, i can't watch or record anything. but there is not much to set up on the other hand. the device names are correct. the scan for channels is quick, but it makes a number of entries (i did not detect the tv channels names like scantv however) |
| [00:31:52] | [R]: | nachtarbeiter: try following the instructions and try again |
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| [00:37:05] | darkdrgn2k3: | any one here run a ZBOX ion? |
| [00:39:13] | [R]: | omg thats hella expensive |
| [00:39:30] | darkdrgn2k3: | ? |
| [00:39:55] | [R]: | you gave a link to it |
| [00:39:57] | [R]: | i looked at it |
| [00:40:07] | darkdrgn2k3: | remember thats canadian $ too :) |
| [00:40:18] | [R]: | i did the conversion |
| [00:40:30] | darkdrgn2k3: | stuff here is still a littl emore $$ then down in the us |
| [00:40:37] | darkdrgn2k3: | conversions havent cought up with the sotres .. STILL |
| [00:40:56] | [R]: | its hella expensive on newegg too |
| [00:41:03] | darkdrgn2k3: | *shrug* |
| [00:41:09] | darkdrgn2k3: | thats wat someone recommended |
| [00:41:11] | darkdrgn2k3: | that what i got |
| [00:41:16] | darkdrgn2k3: | now i cant get audio to wokr |
| [00:41:20] | darkdrgn2k3: | but it should i thinkg |
| [00:41:21] | darkdrgn2k3: | http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/reviews/zbox-hd-id11-review/2/ <- |
| [00:42:45] | [R]: | i'm very happy with my ion |
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| [00:43:13] | [R]: | its so cute and tiny |
| [00:47:07] | [R]: | i'm so glad i got my hdmi audio working AND my tv passes the full 5.1 out its optical output |
| [00:47:12] | [R]: | nwo i never have to switch my receiver |
| [00:49:44] | darkdrgn2k3: | my tv doesnt pass 5.1 out its optical...] |
| [00:49:54] | darkdrgn2k3: | but myth somehow convices the recever that its 5.1 and plays it anyway |
| [00:50:15] | [R]: | huh? |
| [00:50:28] | [R]: | i thought you can't get hdmni working... |
| [00:50:47] | darkdrgn2k3: | oo |
| [00:50:54] | darkdrgn2k3: | this is for the myth frontbox i have in the living room :) |
| [00:51:31] | darkdrgn2k3: | ..apaerny theyer is an upgrade fror alsa :-S |
| [00:51:45] | darkdrgn2k3: | aperently there is |
| [00:52:40] | darkdrgn2k3: | any one know what alsa 1.0.23–2 is |
| [00:53:06] | [R]: | the alsa userland libs and utils? |
| [00:53:19] | darkdrgn2k3: | but whats -2 vs – nothing |
| [00:53:26] | darkdrgn2k3: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6589810 |
| [00:53:44] | [R]: | when fedora releases an update to a package |
| [00:53:48] | [R]: | it updates the number |
| [00:53:55] | darkdrgn2k3: | this is from ubunty |
| [00:53:56] | [R]: | so its either the 3rd or the 2nd rerelease of 1.0.23 |
| [00:54:01] | darkdrgn2k3: | its an "update to" -2 |
| [00:54:02] | [R]: | well the same thing for ubuntu |
| [00:54:18] | [R]: | there was a -1 |
| [00:54:21] | [R]: | they changed something |
| [00:54:23] | [R]: | now there is a -2 |
| [00:54:51] | nachtarbeiter: | [R] i don't see anything in the instructions that would explain the problem i experience. anyway.. thanks for your time |
| [00:55:17] | [R]: | nachtarbeiter: did you follow the steps to setting up the 150? |
| [00:56:04] | nachtarbeiter: | [R] which steps? i did not see specific instructions for the PVR150 |
| [00:56:58] | [R]: | the wiki |
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| [01:40:22] | JohnQ: | I was so excited when my CommandIR III Mini came. I thought it would solve all my problems. Silly me. |
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| [01:54:58] | squidly: | anyone using ubuntu 10.10 with lirc.. I'm using a REMOTE_DEVICE="Phys=usb-0000:00:02.0–6/input0 " but when I run irw I dont see anything |
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| [02:12:51] | squidly: | figured it out |
| [02:12:57] | squidly: | it was phys not Phys |
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| [03:17:01] | bert_: | Can I use xmess-sdl in mythgame or do I need to compile sdlmess? |
| [03:20:17] | wagnerrp: | mythgame is basically an external process loader |
| [03:20:28] | wagnerrp: | if you have an executable, you should be able to run it through mythgame |
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| [03:35:55] | bert_: | wagnerrp: ok cool, wasn't sure after reading the mythgame wiki, it specifically metions sdlmess. |
| [03:36:19] | bert_: | however after doing some reading on sdlmess it looks like it has been rolled in to sdlmame?!? |
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| [05:55:40] | bill6502: | ?help |
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| [07:39:08] | GlemSom: | For some odd reason, mythtv no longer works on my system. It worked fine last night, but this morning all recordings are gone – and livetv is broken too... I see this in my backend log http://pastebin.ca/1971601 |
| [07:39:21] | GlemSom: | Anyone have a good idea to what could be causing this ? |
| [07:39:55] | GlemSom: | It's a 0.23-fixes@26695 |
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| [07:46:29] | tank-man: | did you try restarting the backend? |
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| [11:02:50] | k-man: | the mythweb configuration seems to prevent me directly accessing any .html files i put in my document root |
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| [11:21:18] | Nolive: | hello |
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| [11:33:51] | jarle: | I can't seem to get any Adobe AIR programs to open URLs in a browser after upgrading to 10.10? |
| [11:34:05] | jarle: | (wrong window..) |
| [11:34:20] | Nolive: | is there anyone who know the myth.find_orphans.pl ? |
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| [12:56:13] | unixSnob: | i'm so glad that a time change is coming. I'll be able to use mythTv again.. (until the next time change) |
| [13:17:04] | russell5: | why cant you use it now? |
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| [13:34:05] | smithna: | I've been trying to take screenshots of my meego install (to illustrate some issues) and installed imagemagik to get "import". What's the best way to use that to take a screenshot? Doing "sleep 30; import -window root screen.jpg" from a terminal and then opening an app doesn't work right |
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| [14:37:30] | smithna: | sorry... wrong window |
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| [15:56:57] | wagnerrp: | why is the fact that flash no longer ships with apple systems news? |
| [15:57:13] | wagnerrp: | for that matter, why did they ship with flash in the first place? |
| [15:57:19] | wagnerrp: | linux/windows systems sure dont |
| [16:00:13] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: how often do you scrub? once a week? |
| [16:01:08] | wagnerrp: | scrub? zfs? |
| [16:01:15] | dustybin: | mdadm |
| [16:01:29] | wagnerrp: | never used mdadm |
| [16:01:32] | dustybin: | oh |
| [16:02:53] | dustybin: | i take it you have your own storage server running bsd? |
| [16:03:01] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [16:03:16] | dustybin: | aye nice, i did think about doing that but it means another box sucking electricity |
| [16:03:46] | wagnerrp: | so get tuners that will work on BSD, and turn off your frontends |
| [16:04:08] | dustybin: | i didnt think any tuners worked on BSD |
| [16:04:34] | wagnerrp: | the HDHR is supposed to work just about anywhere (although ive been having problems with mine) |
| [16:04:39] | wagnerrp: | there are drivers for the IVTV cards |
| [16:04:57] | dustybin: | for the sake of using ZFS, it isnt worth the hassle for me |
| [16:05:03] | wagnerrp: | supposedly theres some kernel module floating around that emulates the linux USB interface, and allows any linux USB tuner driver to run in userland |
| [16:05:44] | wagnerrp: | that may also include tuner cards that are basically USB tuners on a PCI-->USB bridge card |
| [16:05:55] | dustybin: | ok |
| [16:07:35] | dustybin: | or i could run bsd as a kvm / qemu virtual machine and let it have direct access to my disks for ZFS |
| [16:07:42] | dustybin: | im not sure if that would work.. |
| [16:07:45] | wagnerrp: | that sounds bad |
| [16:07:58] | dustybin: | yes |
| [16:08:00] | dustybin: | poor I/O |
| [16:08:48] | dustybin: | RAID 10 is far too expensive for home storage use |
| [16:08:57] | wagnerrp: | no its not |
| [16:09:13] | dustybin: | its 50% loss |
| [16:09:36] | wagnerrp: | hard drives are ~$0.06/GB |
| [16:09:47] | wagnerrp: | 10 means youre purchasing at $0.12/GB |
| [16:10:02] | wagnerrp: | thats less than i paid for my current array |
| [16:10:26] | wagnerrp: | not even counting redundancy, i was paying $100-$120 for my 750GB drives |
| [16:10:37] | dustybin: | using RAID 10 also means i will run out of space in my box |
| [16:10:49] | wagnerrp: | so get a bigger box or bigger hard drives |
| [16:11:14] | dustybin: | can RAID 10 suffer from bit rot? |
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| [16:11:26] | wagnerrp: | sure |
| [16:12:07] | dustybin: | i dont understand why raid-5 is such a bad idea |
| [16:12:18] | wagnerrp: | when i first started buying hard drives to store my DVDs, my first drive cost $1.50/GB |
| [16:12:24] | wagnerrp: | modern storage is a pittance |
| [16:12:37] | dustybin: | bluray discs are 25GB each |
| [16:12:47] | dustybin: | *stripped |
| [16:12:50] | wagnerrp: | no they arent |
| [16:13:15] | wagnerrp: | most blurays are 35–45GB |
| [16:13:23] | dustybin: | big.. |
| [16:13:25] | wagnerrp: | and even the main title alone is usually more than 25GB |
| [16:16:01] | wagnerrp: | basically... the point is that many of us feel RAID5 doesnt offer sufficient redundancy |
| [16:16:08] | dustybin: | 6TB of free space using RAID10 or 10TB of free space using RAID-5 (6x 2TB drives) what would you choose?... |
| [16:16:40] | wagnerrp: | personally, id rather got for 8TB of space with RAID6/Z2 |
| [16:16:48] | wagnerrp: | or 6TB of space with RAIDZ3 |
| [16:17:11] | wagnerrp: | (well i wouldnt go Z3 with only 6 disks) |
| [16:17:56] | wagnerrp: | i also wouldnt limit myself to a system that could only hold 6 drives |
| [16:19:01] | wagnerrp: | my current system can take 18, but power requirements limit me a bit short of that |
| [16:19:09] | dustybin: | jeeeze |
| [16:19:12] | dustybin: | i really dont need that much space |
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| [16:27:07] | jams: | wooo, finally got my pre-receive hook working. |
| [16:27:27] | jams: | hehe and this is the wrong channel for that statement |
| [16:37:10] | dustybin: | raid-5 + raid-10 are both suspect to bit rot problems, raid-5 has only 1 parity drive, and raid-1 has none |
| [16:37:27] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: that is not what bitrot means |
| [16:37:34] | dustybin: | sorry i mean read erros |
| [16:37:36] | dustybin: | errors |
| [16:38:00] | dustybin: | raid-6 has 2 parity drives, so read errors are less likely |
| [16:38:12] | wagnerrp: | no, read errors are just as likely |
| [16:38:23] | wagnerrp: | as redundancy has nothing to do with bitrot |
| [16:39:04] | wagnerrp: | bitrot occurs when a drive returns bad data, which is processed, and subsequently re-written to disk |
| [16:39:17] | wagnerrp: | the data has been irreparably damaged |
| [16:39:22] | dustybin: | ok |
| [16:39:32] | wagnerrp: | redundancy does nothing to prevent this |
| [16:39:45] | wagnerrp: | as RAID systems dont kick into action until a drive becomes unreadable |
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| [16:41:49] | dustybin: | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/why-raid-5- . . . -in-2009/162 |
| [16:42:17] | wagnerrp: | the only way to prevent bitrot is to store a checksum for each block, or each sub-block in each stripe |
| [16:42:33] | wagnerrp: | if the checksum fails, you then kick in your redundant storage |
| [16:42:39] | dustybin: | ok |
| [16:42:42] | wagnerrp: | either the mirrored drive, or calculated off the parity |
| [16:42:52] | wagnerrp: | that zdnet has nothing to do with bitrot |
| [16:43:05] | wagnerrp: | that zdnet article is talking about when a drive actually does report an error |
| [16:43:30] | wagnerrp: | a UBE (unrecoverable bit error) means the bit cant be read, and the drive knows the bit cant be read |
| [16:43:41] | wagnerrp: | so it throws an error to the controller |
| [16:43:48] | wagnerrp: | and the controller kicks the drive off the RAID |
| [16:44:29] | wagnerrp: | and since hard drives were rated for one error per 100 terabits |
| [16:44:53] | wagnerrp: | on large arrays, it becomes reasonable that as you are rebuilding the array from the first kicked drive |
| [16:45:10] | wagnerrp: | another drive will throw another UBE, and now you have two drives kicked off the array |
| [16:45:22] | wagnerrp: | two drives down, and RAID5 is toast |
| [16:45:31] | dustybin: | But even today a 7 drive RAID 5 with 1 TB disks has a 50% chance of a rebuild failure. RAID 5 is reaching the end of its useful life. |
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| [16:45:38] | dustybin: | that is worrying!!! |
| [16:45:48] | wagnerrp: | thats a bunch of FUD |
| [16:46:24] | wagnerrp: | while yes, i would not trust a 7x1TB array to RAID5 |
| [16:46:32] | wagnerrp: | those UBE rates are bogus |
| [16:47:00] | wagnerrp: | as seen by drive manufacturers in the past year bumping their UBE rates up another order of magnitude |
| [16:47:47] | wagnerrp: | you dont overnight magically get that much increased reliability |
| [16:48:04] | wagnerrp: | meaning those values are just "at least this reliable" |
| [16:48:19] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [16:48:42] | dustybin: | all this seems off topic, but one requires storage to run mythtv! |
| [16:49:48] | wagnerrp: | there are several people in here running 10TB+ arrays, and im personally running a ~7TB array |
| [16:50:00] | wagnerrp: | ive never heard of anyone complain about a second failed drive during a rebuild in here |
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| [17:31:01] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: I'd think something would have cropped up during the weekly patrol read as well. |
| [17:32:38] | bjd: | I need to change the IPs of my backend & frontend – any obvious gotchas to look out for? |
| [17:33:57] | wagnerrp: | nope, mythtv indexes off the hostname, not the IP |
| [17:34:05] | wagnerrp: | just make sure to change the IPs in mythtv-setup |
| [17:34:29] | bjd: | ok, ta |
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| [18:33:11] | wagnerrp: | im looking at all these modelines on the wiki |
| [18:33:20] | wagnerrp: | and half of them have a # in front |
| [18:33:28] | wagnerrp: | which means... they /arent/ being used |
| [18:33:37] | wagnerrp: | WTF |
| [18:34:00] | [R]: | lol |
| [18:45:21] | ** dustybin looks forward to .24 ** | |
| [18:45:58] | dustybin: | i need storage drives, hd frontend and hd tv, im getting close to mythtv hd :D |
| [18:48:08] | dustybin: | maybe i should set a target to have those components by xmas day :D |
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| [19:27:43] | KjetilK: | if someone remember my problem where a seemingly trivial 720p decoding was too much for my 512 MB pretty recent nVidia card when using VDPAU Normal, it turned out to be a driver problem, fixed now |
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| [19:28:53] | KjetilK: | With this experience, I think a better answer to such things is "make sure you have the latest driver" rather than "you have to make sure you have enough CPU" |
| [19:28:54] | wagnerrp: | KjetilK: there are perfectly good reasons why a 720p video would be unplayable by VDPAU |
| [19:29:12] | KjetilK: | wagnerrp, yeah, I've learnt that, but still |
| [19:29:30] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt have any trouble making something that could play fine on my P3 laptop, but VDPAU could choke on |
| [19:30:41] | KjetilK: | in this case, it was a h264 video that should be supported by the card, so the problem was that the cable provider had yanked the compression level up to something that the old driver didn't support |
| [19:30:44] | wagnerrp: | the point is, VDPAU is limited |
| [19:30:52] | wagnerrp: | there will be content that will be unsupported |
| [19:31:01] | wagnerrp: | there will even be h264 content that will be unsupported |
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| [19:31:24] | wagnerrp: | if you have enough power in the CPU, you have something to fall back on should VDPAU fail |
| [19:31:27] | KjetilK: | sure, but still, "make sure you have the latest driver" is a good start |
| [19:31:37] | KjetilK: | yup |
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| [19:44:28] | FredYerkes: | Hello – I'm trying to use mythlink.pl to make a folder of nice names, but it just seems to be hanging and doesn't finish or return to the console prompt, I just installed the latest 23-fixes. |
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| [19:46:55] | smooph: | I have a problem with my sound ... I installed mythtv on my kubuntu 10.10 and when I start mythtv frontend my desktop sound gets disabled |
| [19:47:14] | wagnerrp: | thats not a problem, that is expected behavior |
| [19:47:55] | smooph: | this might be true ... still I would like it to be different |
| [19:48:05] | smooph: | any way to fix my feature than? |
| [19:48:19] | wagnerrp: | uninstall pulseaudio, and reconfigure to use ALSA |
| [19:49:28] | smooph: | can you tell me a little more? |
| [19:49:54] | wagnerrp: | not really, i just dont bother installing pulseaudio to begin with |
| [19:49:56] | smooph: | why can't I select a different audio device in mythtv and it will work than? |
| [19:50:13] | wagnerrp: | when pulseaudio is active, it takes direct control of your ALSA devices |
| [19:50:25] | wagnerrp: | and forces all applications to run through its emulation layer |
| [19:50:35] | wagnerrp: | its emulation layer is crap, and results in bad audio sync |
| [19:50:49] | wagnerrp: | so... mythtv disables it so it can access ALSA directly |
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| [19:51:13] | wagnerrp: | the rest of your system is set up to use pulse, so when pulse is disabled, it has no access to audio |
| [19:51:49] | smooph: | ok I understand ... but I really like the new audio system |
| [19:51:54] | smooph: | in kubuntu 10.10 |
| [19:52:01] | wagnerrp: | why? what does it get you? |
| [19:52:10] | smooph: | and I don't really won't to lose the functionality |
| [19:52:12] | wagnerrp: | the only thing i can think of is per-application volume |
| [19:52:30] | smooph: | thats exactly what I mean |
| [19:52:55] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is really intended to be used as a dedicated application |
| [19:53:02] | wagnerrp: | if you absolutely must continue using pulseaudio |
| [19:53:17] | wagnerrp: | you may consider upgrading to the 0.24 release candidate |
| [19:53:20] | smooph: | I understand that and it is setup like that on thin clients in my house |
| [19:53:29] | wagnerrp: | it has 'better' pulseaudio support |
| [19:53:39] | wagnerrp: | but ALSA is still the desired output |
| [19:53:45] | dustybin: | release candidate!! WOW |
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| [19:54:45] | smooph: | so there is nothing i can do to simply tell mythtv to use the other audio output ... no wrapper like aoss? |
| [19:55:04] | dustybin: | if i install the release candidate, could i use svn update until its properly released, or would i need to re-install the full release? |
| [19:55:05] | wagnerrp: | pulseaudio provides the wrapper |
| [19:55:13] | wagnerrp: | it provides an emulated ALSA interface |
| [19:55:27] | wagnerrp: | as explained, that emulated interface is crap, and results in bad audio sync |
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| [19:58:14] | FredYerkes: | ugh, all kinds of stuff isn't working now that I installed the last few weeks of 23-fixes updates, live tv, mythlink.pl, maybe it's something I did? |
| [20:04:10] | FredYerkes: | hmm, live tv works now after I unplugged my two hdhomeruns |
| [20:05:07] | FredYerkes: | weird, now making nice names with mythlink.pl works too, this after a couple of backend stops/restarts, weird, must just have been something I did |
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| [20:07:21] | smooph: | are those fixes included in the ubuntu packages? |
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| [20:10:38] | wagnerrp: | there are mythbuntu packages for 0.24, yes |
| [20:11:02] | FredYerkes: | I don't think so, at least not instantally, the Ubuntu package mainainter would have to collect, compile and release the update for them |
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| [20:11:26] | wagnerrp: | wait, what fixes are you talking about? |
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| [20:13:17] | smooph1: | i was talking about the fixes for 0.23 but installing 0.24 is a solution too which makes sense becuase you said pulse audio is better suported |
| [20:13:50] | smooph1: | does mythtv have a ubuntu repository ? or do I have to check out via svn |
| [20:13:53] | wagnerrp: | there are no pulseaudio fixes for 0.23 |
| [20:14:09] | smooph1: | i didn't think so |
| [20:14:23] | wagnerrp: | its not something that could be 'fixed' |
| [20:14:31] | wagnerrp: | we had to properly add native support for it |
| [20:14:41] | wagnerrp: | new features wait for new releases |
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| [20:18:53] | smooph1: | is there a reason why there is no packaging done for debs |
| [20:19:17] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean? |
| [20:19:28] | iamlindoro: | We don't do any sort of packaging whatsoever |
| [20:19:35] | iamlindoro: | just as most projects of any merit don't |
| [20:19:40] | wagnerrp: | we release source, that is all |
| [20:19:59] | smooph1: | ok |
| [20:22:19] | smooph1: | is there something like a release date for 0.24 |
| [20:22:26] | wagnerrp: | 8 days |
| [20:22:36] | wagnerrp: | RC2 is planned for tomorrow |
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| [20:22:51] | wagnerrp: | barring any blockers that show up, it should be released the monday after |
| [20:23:50] | smooph1: | how long does it usually take the guys from ubuntu to update ... do you know? |
| [20:24:09] | wagnerrp: | they have daily packages for trunk |
| [20:24:29] | wagnerrp: | i imagine they will have similar turnaround for the final 0.24 release |
| [20:24:37] | smooph1: | so i might just wait |
| [20:24:42] | mtrax: | I guess the servers are busy just after the release. |
| [20:25:12] | wagnerrp: | what servers? |
| [20:25:36] | mtrax: | download |
| [20:25:49] | mtrax: | are there any migration actions for this release? |
| [20:25:57] | mtrax: | eg audio |
| [20:26:02] | wagnerrp: | our download are mirrored by OSUOSL |
| [20:26:06] | mtrax: | ok |
| [20:26:53] | wagnerrp: | some people may need to go through audio setup again |
| [20:27:02] | wagnerrp: | to let the new system auto-detect their outputs |
| [20:27:08] | wagnerrp: | thats about it |
| [20:29:29] | smooph1: | ok I guess I will wait those couple of days and check it out than ... I would really like mythtv on my desktop but without pulse support it doesn't make sense |
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| [20:30:39] | wagnerrp: | on the opposite side, you could complain to pulse to fix their latency issues, add support for passthrough audio, and generally make themselves worthwhile for multimedia applications |
| [20:31:43] | smooph1: | I am sorry if I offended you ... of course I could do that |
| [20:31:48] | smooph1: | :) |
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| [20:32:17] | wagnerrp: | no offense taken, its just that pulseaudio doesnt really add anythingfor mythtv's purposes |
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| [20:32:40] | wagnerrp: | and all it does is get in the way with it being forced on us by all the big distros |
| [20:32:43] | smooph: | don't they have pretty good support in network audio ? |
| [20:32:58] | mtrax: | just while your on Pulse I noted my mates Fedora box has pulse and he gets HDMI output |
| [20:33:20] | wagnerrp: | so what, almost no one uses network audio, and theres half a dozen other systems that do network audio already |
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| [20:33:24] | mtrax: | does anyone know if Pulse is required for HDMI audio output |
| [20:33:34] | wagnerrp: | mtrax: yes, he can do HDMI output, but not passthrough |
| [20:33:54] | wagnerrp: | everything must be decoded, routed through pulse, distorted, multiplexed, and output as LPCM |
| [20:33:58] | k_ross: | not *all* the big distros ship with PA. even the latest debian (squeeze) doesn't include PA by default |
| [20:34:11] | [R]: | pulse makes me sad |
| [20:34:11] | [R]: | :( |
| [20:34:27] | wagnerrp: | mtrax: pulseaudio does not support anything |
| [20:34:33] | wagnerrp: | they have no hardware drivers |
| [20:34:35] | smooph: | is it really that bad ... I had no idea |
| [20:34:39] | wagnerrp: | they rely on ALSA for everything |
| [20:34:49] | wagnerrp: | smooph: its the same thing with any audio server |
| [20:35:11] | mtrax: | so when I use the ALSAmixer it complains about my Nvidia HDMI device having something missing |
| [20:35:47] | mtrax: | not a big issue but I'm curious about what I need to do to output audio via HDMI |
| [20:36:04] | wagnerrp: | have a new enough ALSA install... and thats it |
| [20:36:26] | wagnerrp: | if you have pulse installed, chances are its screwing with stuff and preventing you access to the HDMI output |
| [20:36:37] | ** AndyCap runs pulse on his laptop with mythtv and no pulse on the real frontend with hdmi sound ** | |
| [20:36:41] | mtrax: | ok so just need upgrade my kernal with newer alsa driver? |
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| [20:36:59] | wagnerrp: | or disable the internal alsa and build the external libraries |
| [20:37:26] | mtrax: | but I was very surprised when my mates Mythtv started playing audio via his HDMI and he has FC11 |
| [20:37:29] | mtrax: | and I have FC12 |
| [20:37:50] | wagnerrp: | i believe FC11 was pre-pulse |
| [20:38:05] | wagnerrp: | or at least is was less intertwined and easier to remove |
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| [20:39:30] | mtrax: | also curious if the audio quality is the same as SPDIF coax |
| [20:39:54] | [R]: | digital is digital |
| [20:39:54] | wagnerrp: | depends on the content |
| [20:40:03] | [R]: | oh, true |
| [20:40:05] | wagnerrp: | SPDIF is limited to 2mbps |
| [20:40:17] | mtrax: | I would be good to reduce yet another cable around the back of my TV |
| [20:40:27] | wagnerrp: | which gets you broadcast 5.1 AC3, AC3 or DTS from DVDs, or 2.0 LPCM |
| [20:41:09] | wagnerrp: | HDMI audio supports far more formats, and those it doesnt, you can send multichannel LPCM |
| [20:41:23] | wagnerrp: | for 0.23, it shouldnt make any difference |
| [20:41:32] | mtrax: | so in general its better |
| [20:41:38] | wagnerrp: | with 0.24, we now have support for the higher quality formats available on bluray/hddvd |
| [20:42:06] | wagnerrp: | in general more bandwidth == more gooder |
| [20:42:30] | mtrax: | gooder ... :) |
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| [20:46:09] | smooph1: | hi is the seperator between video directories really ":" |
| [20:46:10] | smooph1: | ? |
| [20:46:27] | wagnerrp: | no, that is the old format |
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| [20:46:42] | wagnerrp: | the new format is to create multiple Storage Group directories |
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| [20:47:30] | smooph1: | how does that work in my settings on the frontend i can only add directories and they are not checked for videos |
| [20:47:43] | wagnerrp: | no, you add them to your backend |
| [20:47:50] | wagnerrp: | and the backend subsequently manages your videos |
| [20:48:00] | wagnerrp: | and serves them out to any frontend that wants them, local or across the network |
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| [20:48:48] | smooph1: | sure I understand but in the frontend settings I can tell the backend which folders to check right ? |
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| [20:50:23] | smooph1: | what else does advanced -> setup -> media settings -> video settings -> general settings ... first field "directories that hold videos:" do ? |
| [20:52:38] | [R]: | [01:46:27] +wagnerrp no, that is the old format |
| [20:52:43] | [R]: | [01:46:41] +wagnerrp the new format is to create multiple Storage Group directories |
| [20:53:29] | smooph1: | I understand that I just figured that the front and the backend are connected |
| [20:54:03] | [R]: | and? |
| [20:55:57] | smooph1: | what and? |
| [20:56:20] | ** [R] is confused ** | |
| [20:58:38] | smooph1: | if I add a directory in the frontend ... I expect it to be added in the backend as well ... correct ? |
| [20:58:46] | [R]: | no |
| [20:58:47] | [R]: | HENCE |
| [20:58:51] | [R]: | [01:52:37] [R] [01:46:27] +wagnerrp no, that is the old format |
| [20:58:57] | [R]: | [01:52:42] [R] [01:46:41] +wagnerrp the new format is to create multiple Storage Group directories |
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| [21:22:13] | smooph: | I don't get why I don't see my media? I added a new storage group "my video" and set the path |
| [21:22:21] | smooph: | but non of my media is shown |
| [21:23:00] | [R]: | did you scan? |
| [21:23:05] | smooph: | does the backend use a different user than mythtv |
| [21:23:22] | [R]: | the backend runs as whatever user you started it and/or t old it to use |
| [21:24:16] | smooph: | i just executed mythtvfilldatabase |
| [21:24:49] | [R]: | thats for guide data... |
| [21:25:01] | smooph: | how do i scan than |
| [21:25:06] | [R]: | read the documenattion? |
| [21:25:11] | [R]: | mythvideo is explained quite nicely |
| [21:25:55] | smooph: | i read the wiki user manual |
| [21:26:22] | [R]: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvideo |
| [21:26:27] | [R]: | tells you exactly hwo to use mythvideo |
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| [21:34:52] | wagnerrp: | smooph: you added a group named 'my video'? |
| [21:35:04] | wagnerrp: | no, MythVideo only scans the existing group listed there, 'Videos' |
| [21:35:14] | mtrax: | oh, I noticed alot of the "contrib" scripts have now be published in the wiki, how do we know when to update these now? |
| [21:35:37] | smooph: | wagnerrp: its all right ... i figured it out |
| [21:35:39] | wagnerrp: | mtrax: you check the change logs i suppose |
| [21:35:41] | smooph: | thanks thought |
| [21:35:46] | smooph: | -t |
| [21:36:04] | wagnerrp: | mtrax: for what its worth, you never had to update the old scripts, as then never got updated in contrib |
| [21:36:14] | wagnerrp: | there were basically abandoned there and left to rot |
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| [21:36:39] | mtrax: | ok, just thinking if I have some stale scripts etc.. |
| [21:36:40] | gilesw: | heya all |
| [21:37:17] | wagnerrp: | mtrax: any scripts you have that are accessing mythtv should be checking schema/protocol versions |
| [21:37:24] | gilesw: | is it normal for mythtv-backend to use some cpu, well be at the top of a top listing? |
| [21:37:24] | wagnerrp: | and should know when they are too old to operate |
| [21:37:34] | gilesw: | no recording is being done |
| [21:37:46] | wagnerrp: | gilesw: how much CPU? what CPU? |
| [21:38:09] | gilesw: | 6% p4 2.6 |
| [21:38:22] | wagnerrp: | are you using EIT for guide data? |
| [21:38:29] | mtrax: | ok I basically just use 3 scripts mythlink.pl , and the force delete as well as the db check one (cant remember what thats called) |
| [21:38:30] | gilesw: | ah yes |
| [21:38:47] | gilesw: | and i've got a lot of channels |
| [21:39:01] | wagnerrp: | channel count doesnt really matter, its the multiplex count |
| [21:39:17] | gilesw: | k is that a db table |
| [21:39:18] | wagnerrp: | it has to sweep through each multiplex long enough for it to receive the data block |
| [21:39:34] | gilesw: | this is uk freesat |
| [21:39:49] | gilesw: | astra28 |
| [21:40:10] | gilesw: | is it more efficient to use the tv site scraper? |
| [21:40:33] | wagnerrp: | with the radiotimes grabber, its a one-shot once a day |
| [21:41:29] | gilesw: | hrm sounds fine to me |
| [21:41:39] | gilesw: | as long as it covers all the random channels |
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| [21:50:04] | gilesw: | radiotimes doesn't do radio |
| [21:50:21] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt do radio, nor does your DVB-S card |
| [21:50:26] | gilesw: | is there a config value to set the eit frequency? |
| [21:50:46] | gilesw: | i get some audio only channels |
| [21:50:55] | gilesw: | bbc london |
| [21:51:00] | wagnerrp: | audio only DVB-S != radio |
| [21:51:27] | gilesw: | oh but i guess this guide meant audio channels |
| [21:51:40] | gilesw: | semantics |
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| [22:10:05] | mtrax: | amixer -c 1 info |
| [22:10:13] | mtrax: | Card hw:1 'NVidia'/'HDA NVidia at 0xf4000000 irq 18' |
| [22:10:19] | mtrax: | Mixer name : 'Nvidia ID a' |
| [22:10:24] | mtrax: | Components : 'HDA:10de000a,10de0101,00100100' |
| [22:10:30] | mtrax: | Controls : 0 |
| [22:10:35] | mtrax: | Simple ctrls : 0 |
| [22:10:41] | wagnerrp: | no pasting more than 2 lines at a time |
| [22:10:58] | mtrax: | perhaps I'm missing a driver or module |
| [22:11:24] | mtrax: | alsamixer doesn't allow me to config my HDMI card on my video |
| [22:12:20] | mtrax: | it appears in my 'cat /proc/asound/cards' but not in 'aplay -L' |
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| [22:15:38] | mtrax: | dmesg : ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_generic.c:683: hda_generic: no proper input path found |
| [22:17:18] | gilesw: | ah ha active eit was the culprit |
| [22:19:50] | mtrax: | on an unlrelated question I keep on seeing the following msg in my backend log file |
| [22:19:51] | mtrax: | ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '1005_20101021203000.mpg' |
| [22:20:06] | wagnerrp: | unnecessary verbosity, ignore |
| [22:20:22] | mtrax: | will that be suppress in 0.24? |
| [22:20:35] | wagnerrp: | probably not |
| [22:20:52] | mtrax: | so is this an error? |
| [22:21:02] | wagnerrp: | no, ignore |
| [22:21:17] | wagnerrp: | everyone sees it, it doesnt indicate anything |
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| [22:21:39] | wagnerrp: | do you otherwise have an error that you are trying to sort out? |
| [22:22:00] | mtrax: | nope just checking ... |
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| [22:39:20] | wagnerrp: | ugh... 67 more TVs worth of custom modelines |
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| [23:44:43] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: you around? |
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| [23:44:49] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [23:46:17] | ekristen: | There doesn't appear to be a way that you can mark a recording as watched using the python library, I just wanted to confirm this and also see if there is a reason, besides no one adding it to the bindings. |
| [23:46:34] | wagnerrp: | sure there is |
| [23:46:49] | ekristen: | and that reason is? |
| [23:47:08] | ekristen: | oh |
| [23:47:11] | wagnerrp: | no, sure there is a way |
| [23:47:21] | ekristen: | oh ... I'll got back and look at the docs again |
| [23:47:48] | wagnerrp: | Recorded((chanid,starttime)).update({'watched':True}) |
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| [23:47:57] | ekristen: | ah |
| [23:48:05] | wagnerrp: | there is no direct 'mark as watched' method |
| [23:48:08] | wagnerrp: | but it doesnt take much |
| [23:48:30] | ekristen: | that should be an acceptable way I think |
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| [23:50:02] | ekristen: | If I already have the Recorded object via getRecorded() can I just call update off of that? IE rec.getRecorded().watched returns true or false, could I just do rec.getRecorded().update({'watched':True})? |
| [23:50:14] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt use getRecorded |
| [23:50:34] | wagnerrp: | use searchRecorded, and just pull the first item |
| [23:51:25] | ekristen: | well there is a reason I use it ... |
| [23:51:32] | ekristen: | MythBE.getRecordings() |
| [23:51:38] | ekristen: | I am looping through the recordings |
| [23:51:52] | wagnerrp: | so you have a Program object? |
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| [23:52:04] | wagnerrp: | in 0.23, use Program.getRecorded() |
| [23:52:10] | wagnerrp: | or in 0.24, use Recorded.fromProgram() |
| [23:53:32] | ekristen: | is that what is being returned from getRecordings()? |
| [23:53:35] | ekristen: | a Program object |
| [23:53:50] | ekristen: | right now I am on 0.23 |
| [23:54:02] | wagnerrp: | yes, MythBE calls return Program objects |
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| [23:54:27] | ekristen: | so in 0.24 I am going to have to do some big updates to my app then it sounds like |
| [23:54:42] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/0.24_Python_bindings/Upgrade_Guide |
| [23:54:52] | wagnerrp: | some, not a whole lot |
| [23:55:25] | ekristen: | that document is assuming you are using 0.23 bindings? |
| [23:55:30] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [23:55:58] | ekristen: | gotcha, sweet, it shouldn't be too bad then |
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