Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, October 21st, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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wagnerrp:

this Brian Wood just doesnt seem to get that RAID0 is only ideal for sequential access

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kormoc:

but but but

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kormoc:

more heads, more platters, MOAR SPEED!

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, well, to be fair, it will also work out better for small random io requests

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kormoc:

(small being under stripe size)

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wagnerrp:

well sure, for requests smaller than the stripe size

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wagnerrp:

nothing mythtv does need apply for that

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wagnerrp:

maybe pulling channel icons

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kormoc:

database times

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kormoc:

but there's better ways to optimize that

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kormoc:

anyway, I'm outzors

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wagnerrp:

youre much better off with RAID1 when dealing with a database

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tuxrules:

trying to compile 0.24rc1 on Slackware x86_64.

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tuxrules:

compile fails with make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib64/libmyth-0.24.so', needed by `libmytharchive.so'

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wagnerrp:

have you installed mythtv yet?

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wagnerrp:

you must install mythtv, before you can compile the plugins

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tuxrules:

yes, mythtv is installed, trying to install mythplugins

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wagnerrp:

youre newly compiled 0.24 version of mythtv is installed?

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tuxrules:

yes 0.24 is installed

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tuxrules:

I see libmyth-0.24.so..something library and its symlinks

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tuxrules:

but I don't see libmyth-0.24.so specially

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tuxrules:

specifically...

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wagnerrp:

did you supply a --prefix?

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wagnerrp:

if not, then mythtv is likely installed to /usr/local/lib[64]

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wagnerrp:

and for whatever reason, your system is telling it to look in the wrong place

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tuxrules:

yes, I'm using --prefix=/usr --runprefix=/usr --libdir-name=/usr/lib64

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tuxrules:

wagnerrp, thanks! I'm giving it another shot. Will post detailed error.

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shuffle2:

hi, i just downloaded a prebuilt windows frontend

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shuffle2:

trying to connect to the mythbackend on a linux server, but i probably have the user/pass wrong

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shuffle2:

i have root on the linux server, etc...any tips on how to retreive the user/pass for the db?

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shuffle2:

it's just my roommate's server which we share, and he's busy atm :p

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wagnerrp:

there is no way to retrieve the root mysql password

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wagnerrp:

best you could do is reset it

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shuffle2:

root? shouldn't the user be mythtv or something non-root?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv generally runs as 'mythtv', or something not-root

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wagnerrp:

however system user accounts and mysql user accounts are completely independent

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shuffle2:

so there's no way to view the password for mysql user "mythtv"?

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wagnerrp:

if you can log into mysql with 'root' access, you can create a new account with whatever credentials you want for your machine

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

it is one-way encrypted

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wagnerrp:

besides that, even if you could view it, like i said, it may be per-machine

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wagnerrp:

and beyond that, mysql itself may be set up to only listen on the loopback interface

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shuffle2:

oh if i created a new user on the same db, i imagine i'd have access to the same data?

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wagnerrp:

similarly, mythtv may be set up to only listen on the loopback interface

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shuffle2:

oh true :(

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shuffle2:

i just want to watch recordings on windows damnit! :p

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wagnerrp:

if your roommate has set up mythtv on that system

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wagnerrp:

its best to wait for him to come back and set up mythtv on your desktop

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wagnerrp:

rather than go blindly tinkering

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wagnerrp:

if you have root on the machine, you could try sharing the recordings over samba

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wagnerrp:

possibly using something like mythlink.pl to generate human readable file names

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shuffle2:

how can i check where myth is configured to store recordings (for the exports path)?

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wagnerrp:

exports? '/etc/exports' is an NFS thing

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shuffle2:

your wiki would appear to be wrong then

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wagnerrp:

what are you trying to do?

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shuffle2:

the samba share method

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wagnerrp:

right, that is configured through a 'smb.conf'

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wagnerrp:

NFS shares are configured through '/etc/exports'

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shuffle2:

ah hehe

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shuffle2:

he already had samba setup...just didn't enter the service in rc.conf

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shuffle2:

just started it and i'm good to go :)

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shuffle2:

annnddd vlc isn't decoding the audio

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shuffle2:

woot, installed the directshow filters and it works finally :p

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wagnerrp:

i didnt think VLC did directshot

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shuffle2:

using media player classic

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Termz:

Http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/termz Erepublik needs more canadians, sign up and try it out.

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shuffle2:

lol, freenode...

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wagnerrp:

shame that a spammer can get a mask

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

email set to the game developers reporting his user for spam

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kormoc:

here's hoping they take corrective action

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wagnerrp:

erepublik is a game?

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kormoc:

yes

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wagnerrp:

somehow my upnpmedia table has crashed

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Beirdo:

sigh

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Beirdo:

so... got all the parts of the new frontend... except the box/mobo (barebones box)

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Beirdo:

it should be here tomorrow though

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Beirdo:

svn up'd from the ppa?!

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Beirdo:

wha?

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wagnerrp:

wha?

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wagnerrp:

clearly they downloaded some .ppa file, and than ran svn up

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wagnerrp:

thats how it works, right?

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wagnerrp:

that will update the ppa and install mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

i read that on the wiki

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Beirdo:

normally ppa is an apt repository

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Beirdo:

you don't svn up, you apt-get upgrade

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wagnerrp:

(i know thats not at all how it works)

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wagnerrp:

where did you see someone claiming they did so?

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Beirdo:

#9109 from our fine mythicallibrian buddy

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Beirdo:

and I don't give a crap about his issues that aren't relevant to the ticket.

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wagnerrp:

apple released their list of rules of what will cause an app to get rejected

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Beirdo:

1) not written by Apple

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

among which was 'apps that are designed for use as illegal gambling aids'

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wagnerrp:

what is an 'illegal gambling aid'?

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Beirdo:

something that helps you count cards

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wagnerrp:

counting cards isnt illegal

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Criggie:

no but they don't have to help you either.

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Beirdo:

tell that to the casinos that will get you arrested

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wagnerrp:

its just something that will cause casinos to not serve you

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Beirdo:

pretty sure you will get charged with something lame if you are in Nevada

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wagnerrp:

they are a private organization, and as such, they can eject anyone they please from their establishment for any reason

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Beirdo:

yeah, but the gaming commission...

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Beirdo:

anyways. :)

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Beirdo:

that's likely what they mean

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Beirdo:

illegal in fact or not

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wagnerrp:

huh... seems it actually is illegal to use an external device as an aid

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Beirdo:

if you can do it purely in your mind, they can't prove you did it... conclusively

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Beirdo:

otherwise they'd make that illegal too :)

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Beirdo:

anyways, that's about the only gambling aid I can think of

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Beirdo:

other than something to track where the ball goes in roulette

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Beirdo:

and predicts

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wagnerrp:

someone actually did that

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[R]:

i love the movie 21

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wagnerrp:

cooked up some FPGA that would calculate the predicted ball drop

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Beirdo:

yup

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mtrax:

anyone here?

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wagnerrp:

this is a pre-recorded message, please ask your question, and someone may get back to you if they know the answer

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wagnerrp:

*beep*

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mtrax:

ok, just submitted a question to the mythuser list about 'programid' seem have changed somewhere

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mtrax:

as some of my recorded shows are being re-recorded

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mtrax:

I noticed the programid has nolonger a leading zero

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mtrax:

I looked in the xlmparser.cpp it seeems to be a calculated field

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wagnerrp:

then your listings provider has changed your format

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wagnerrp:

or its a fault in your xmltv grabber

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mtrax:

its not in my listing XML

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mtrax:

I checked any it doesn't appear anywhere that I can see.

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mtrax:

does anyone thing this is a bug or do I need to convert my database to the new format?

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[R]:

"the new format"?

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sphery:

mtrax: are you using xmltv?

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mtrax:

yes

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sphery:

which grabber?

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mtrax:

the original show was recorded back in 2008 and being picked up now .so was along time ago

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mtrax:

I'm using the OZTIVO grabber

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wagnerrp:

that sounds like something we shouldnt be helping you with

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mtrax:

Sea Patrol The Dogs of War (EP009103882812) 2008-03–31 20:30:00 2008-03–31 21:30:00 Sea Patrol The Dogs of War (EP9103882812) 2010-10–13 17:40:13 2010-10–13 17:40:13

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sphery:

and can you give an example of an episode's original xmltv-format xml (in http://mythtv.pastebin.com/ , please)

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sphery:

or just the whole xml file

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mtrax:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/wqxhcpxs

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sphery:

and did you just upgrade mythtv or something? if so from which version to which new version?

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mtrax:

I'm currently on 0.23.1 but I've started out many years ago with 0.18 or something like that

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sphery:

and did you just upgrade to 0.23.1 right before the repeat recordings started happening?

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mtrax:

no I upgraded 0.23.1 about 1month after it was released so earlier this year right

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mtrax:

so I guess this be only affecting perhaps some of my older recordings

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mtrax:

not too sure

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mtrax:

<episode-num system="xmltv_ns">1 . 5 . </episode-num>

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mtrax:

is this valid?

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Guest18892:

I was wondering if anyone was aware of any of any bugs in myth 0.24 fixes 26914. When tuning the HD-PVR the backend records the wrong channel. Even more strange is the fact that the backend tunes to the proper channel while watching livetv.

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[R]:

you can't tuen hdpvr... so what is it passing to the channel changer in both cases?

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[R]:

what odes the backend log look like

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Guest18892:

the backend log does not have any errors in it

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[R]:

pretty sure i diindt ask if there were any errors

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Guest18892:

it does add a 1 to the channel number

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[R]:

?

[03:42:24]

Guest18892:

tuning 488 yeilds line – Finished recording Running Wilde "The Party": channel 1488

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[R]:

[08:38:50] [R] what odes the backend log look like

[03:43:16]

Guest18892:

I have some pasted on pastebin

[03:43:25]

Guest18892:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/PFucu4Tb

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mag0o:

the 1 in front of that indicates your tuner number

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[R]:

Guest18892: where is livetv working?

[03:44:10]

mag0o:

verify that in mythweb, hover over a show name

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Beirdo:

mag0o: actually, it's the input source number :)

[03:44:36]

mag0o:

yeah, that

[03:44:37]

mag0o:

:)

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Guest18892:

thanks mag0o and R

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Beirdo:

but pretty close :)

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sphery:

mtrax: you're running 0.23.1?

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Guest18892:

livetv is working on anyother frontend

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mtrax:

yes

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sphery:

mtrax: and, yes, the episode-num is valid

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[R]:

Guest18892: the point of pasting a backend log is to show one example of it working and one of it not working

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[R]:

Guest18892: not just pasting a rnadom excertp of crap

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Guest18892:

sorry guys, I will work on that now

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Guest18892:

the 488 channel did not work

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Guest18892:

it tuned some other channel

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[R]:

huh?

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sphery:

mtrax: heh, so I know what happened

[03:47:13]

Guest18892:

what?

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[R]:

Guest18892: what are you going on about?

[03:47:25]

mtrax:

spery: tell me more..

[03:48:07]

sphery:

mtrax: there was a bug in [14232] on Aug 20, 2007

[03:48:36]

sphery:

had you told me before Jul 25, I would have fixed said bug in [25417]

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sphery:

as it is, I might be able to get a fix into 0.24, but it may be better not to--since you're the first to have noticed this (or at least the first I've heard mention it)

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Beirdo:

sphery: whazzup

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sphery:

Beirdo: heh, found an Aug 20, 2007 bug :)

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

only 3 years.. :)

[03:50:20]

sphery:

basically, we fixed program IDs for Schedules Direct users and corrupted them for xmltv users (who had programids)

[03:50:29]

Beirdo:

heh, oops

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sphery:

there weren't that many who did back then

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mtrax:

not urgent but annoying non-the-less

[03:51:58]

mtrax:

I thought schedule direct used xml..

[03:52:38]

sphery:

I'm looking working on an update that will fix yours

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Beirdo:

so does every podcast...

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Beirdo:

and every website uses HTML

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sphery:

mtrax: it uses xml, but not xmltv

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mtrax:

ok cheers, should I submit a trac ticket?

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's what I was hinting at :)

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sphery:

mtrax: no, no ticket

[03:53:22]

mtrax:

okies

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sphery:

I'll talk to devs to find out whether they want to fix it or ignore it

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Guest18892:

[R]: Sorry, got disconnected. I think I will have to go gather some more logs. I will just get an example of it working and one of it not working. Thanks for the help

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Beirdo:

sphery: you want a ticket :)

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sphery:

I'll get you SQL to fix yours

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

tickets are fun!

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Beirdo:

I should go see if our mythicallibrarian has put anything useful in that ticket

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

I had to wait for the next CBS recording to look into my symptoms

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Beirdo:

which starts in 5min

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mtrax:

btw thanks for 0.24.. looking forward to it goes in prod.

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sphery:

mtrax: can you pastebin the output of: SELECT programid FROM oldrecorded WHERE SUBSTRING(programid, 3, 2) = '00';

[03:57:32]

sphery:

wanna sanity-check the data before the update

[03:58:09]

wagnerrp:

sphery: its nothing to do with interlaced content

[03:58:25]

wagnerrp:

ive got a Castle episode with a skip point way out at frame 321178

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: what isn't? #9109?

[03:58:59]

Beirdo:

Oh crap, someone's car alarm going off right outside my window

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sphery:

wagnerrp: we should ask Captain_Murdoch if the flagger puts in an end marker way past total frame if it feels that the program ends in a commercial

[03:59:15]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: 8706

[03:59:18]

Beirdo:

K :)

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sphery:

I have lots of such end markers from 0.21-fixes and 0.23-fixes

[03:59:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: If that happened to me, it'd be my car. ;-)

[03:59:47]

wagnerrp:

or possibly any other ticket related to points well out past the end of the video

[03:59:58]

wagnerrp:

sphery: the problem is that last cut point never shows up in the editor

[04:00:11]

wagnerrp:

i can hit it by seeking to the cutpoint

[04:00:14]

wagnerrp:

but its not visible

[04:00:20]

sphery:

in the new editor, you can't put a cut point on the beginning frame or the last frame

[04:00:39]

sphery:

though "last frame" is a bit undefined as of now, since I can't test the seeking to/etc.

[04:00:57]

Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A: so tempted to go chuck something at it

[04:01:07]

sphery:

I think it will turn out to be no cut point at or > last key frame

[04:01:44]

sphery:

because (at least I've been told) if you have a cut point at the first or last frame, mythtranscode puts garbage around it

[04:02:03]

sphery:

i.e. you get a flash of the first frame, then the part after your cut

[04:04:11]

Beirdo:

no flashing your first frame!

[04:05:21]

mtrax:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/qbW3UgYq a sample of my oldrecorded programids

[04:05:29]

mtrax:

not sure if you want all

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sphery:

I'll leave it up to you to scan all

[04:06:31]

sphery:

What I'm proposing is removing the 00 at character position 3 and 4

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sphery:

what you'll end up with is: SELECT CONCAT(SUBSTRING(programid, 1, 2), SUBSTRING(programid, 5)) FROM oldrecorded WHERE SUBSTRING(programid, 3, 2) = '00';

[04:07:18]

sphery:

if you actually want to do that, make a DB backup ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore ), then: UPDATE oldrecorded SET programid = CONCAT(SUBSTRING(programid, 1, 2), SUBSTRING(programid, 5)) WHERE SUBSTRING(programid, 3, 2) = '00';

[04:07:39]

sphery:

if that corrupts your data, I take no responsibility :)

[04:08:48]

Guest18892:

I was also wondering if there is any interest in home automation. I love mythtv and I thought it would be fun to work on a mythtv home automation plugin.

[04:08:57]

mtrax:

sure, I'll backup the dB and test it out later tonight , thanks

[04:09:26]

sphery:

and the more I think about it, the more I feel it's unsafe to fix it

[04:09:53]

sphery:

doing so would require making the inverse assumption that the original bug made

[04:10:15]

wagnerrp:

i guess i should just be doing a 'cut to end'

[04:10:32]

wagnerrp:

that should probably get put in the main list

[04:10:38]

sphery:

so for those who have more complex setups, it could actually cause corruption, again

[04:10:57]

sphery:

so we're probably best just saying it's ancient history and you'll have to either re-record/delete or mark them to Never Record

[04:11:07]

sphery:

wagnerrp: main list?

[04:11:15]

sphery:

it's on the menu

[04:11:21]

wagnerrp:

the 'enter' menu instead of the 'm' menu

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sphery:

what enter menu?

[04:11:36]

wagnerrp:

select

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wagnerrp:

you hit select, move, select, and it creates a cut

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sphery:

select starts a cut

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wagnerrp:

nevermind... that only shows up if you hit it within a cut

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sphery:

only asks what to do when you're inside a cut

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wagnerrp:

ignore me

[04:12:10]

sphery:

yeah

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, closing commercial end mark should be set at "framesProcessed – (int)(2 * fps) – 2" if we think that the video ends in a commercial break. framesprocessed is just a counter incremented each time we process a frame.

[04:12:23]

sphery:

that's ok, it took me a while to remember how it worked, too

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wagnerrp:

im burned out from doing 20 edits in a row

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: so 2s from the end?

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Beirdo:

why do we want or need an end mark if it's delete to end?

[04:13:42]

sphery:

Beirdo: in the editor we don't have one

[04:13:51]

sphery:

the flagger puts an end mark in

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sphery:

trying to figure out where and why...

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, yeah, sounds right. I think I did that for those that use the popup window when the video ends

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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Captain_Murdoch:

becuase the skip needs (needed) to skip to somewhere.

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: so any ideas why it would be putting them way beyond the last keyframe?

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sphery:

that makes sense for the 2s

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, not sure unless the flagging went screwey and it thought it processed a huge number of frames.

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mtrax:

sphery: just to be sure new shows are also being created with "00" in programid

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sphery:

mtrax: 00 at the 3rd and 4th position?

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sphery:

i.e. after EP or SH or whatever

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mtrax:

eg Covert Affairs EP001683928331 2010-08–30 22:00:00

[04:16:59]

sphery:

or are you asking me?

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mtrax:

this was recorded last month or so

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wagnerrp:

or... a month and a half ago

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sphery:

mtrax: SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value = 'MythFillFixProgramIDsHasRunOnce';

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mtrax:

=1

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, is there a pastebin somewhere with the markups for that file?

[04:19:56]

sphery:

mtrax: if they're truly being created, they shouldn't have 00 there...

[04:20:01]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8706#comment:7 is one example

[04:20:52]

sphery:

mine tend to have values that are around 50 or so greater than last keyframe

[04:21:34]

sphery:

but mine are also pre-trunk

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Captain_Murdoch:

what's the keyframe interval on your ~50 example?

[04:22:15]

Captain_Murdoch:

the comment in the ticket may make sense. looking at something now.

[04:22:28]

** sphery tries to decide between finding a new example in production or booting the dev box with the old (deleted from production) example **

[04:23:58]

Captain_Murdoch:

it could be that the above calculation isn't used in your case because it finds a blank frame near the end so it actually closes the break past the last keyframe

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mtrax:

sphery: looks like some of the programids have "00" and some haven't looking at the "recorded" table

[04:27:07]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/ZYadb7B5

[04:27:21]

sphery:

turns out it's 427

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sphery:

that's /about/ 50...

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Captain_Murdoch:

with the comment in the ticket, if all marks but the last end mark are based on teh frame number in the frame but the last one is based on framesprocessed, that might account for the difference.

[04:28:05]

Captain_Murdoch:

for the interlaced content, are the frame numbers repeated somehow?

[04:28:14]

wagnerrp:

seems i need to do some profiling in the bindings

[04:28:22]

wagnerrp:

im getting some pretty horrible transfer rates

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: elmojo keeps talking about repeatpict

[04:28:57]

sphery:

something about frames that are supposed to be shown multiple times... seems that's becoming more common, lately--might be related?

[04:29:48]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: oh, wait, I misread that... 107669 is the last keyframe and it's > 107526 by about 2s, so it's right

[04:30:49]

sphery:

so, nvm... seems 0.21-fixes did it right :)

[04:31:24]

Captain_Murdoch:

ok, thx.

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sphery:

mtrax: ok, so the Covert Affairs one has 00 because that's the way the ELFHash turns out

[04:37:46]

sphery:

and that's a long one because it has valid season and episode inof

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sphery:

info

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mtrax:

so the programid is a hash value of the title and subtitle

[04:39:01]

sphery:

wait, no, the lengths don't match up that way

[04:39:22]

wagnerrp:

64 hard drives and he only managed 70TB... http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2010/10/20 . . . e-for-70-tb/

[04:39:29]

sphery:

and the hash will be an int, so it can't have starting 0's

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mtrax:

here is another example with subtitle: Human Target Rewind EP002232877221 starttime=2010-08–25 20:29:00

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sphery:

no, programid is MV|EP|SP followed by seriesid (hash of title) followed by season number (unpadded) followed by episode number

[04:40:58]

sphery:

if you don't have a valid season and episode, programid gets cleared

[04:41:24]

sphery:

yeah, I think something is changing them

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Beirdo:

urgh!

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Beirdo:

this recording is borked

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mtrax:

note most of my duplicates are being detected but some aren't ie its not consistant.

[04:44:09]

sphery:

mtrax: yeah, if you're still getting 00 programid's, I can't explain how

[04:44:16]

sphery:

unless your grabber is providing them

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sphery:

as <episode-num system='dd_progid'>

[04:44:55]

sphery:

in which case, we use what the grabber provides

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, with a box that big and that many fans, he should have just put in a giant 20–24" box fan in the top of the box. :)

[04:46:49]

wagnerrp:

(and bottom)

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah

[04:48:01]

wagnerrp:

i wonder how he actually has the data cables run

[04:48:06]

wagnerrp:

he only shows it with power

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wagnerrp:

whether he has dedicated channels for each, or if hes using a multiplier

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mtrax:

sphery: afaik the oztivo xmltv doesn't use the system= attrib

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toeb:

why does myth handle radio and tv channels the same way?

[05:17:22]

wagnerrp:

no

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toeb:

no it does not?

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wagnerrp:

no it does not

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wagnerrp:

myth does not handle radio channels

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wagnerrp:

nor can it use radio tuners

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wagnerrp:

or are you actually talking about audio-only TV channels?

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toeb:

ok maybe i need to clarify, using dvb-c there a channels with no pictures... for me those are radio channels ;-)

[05:19:32]

toeb:

jep

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wagnerrp:

for mythtv, those are tv channels

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wagnerrp:

since they use the tv frequencies, the tv protocols, and are probably on the same multiplex as full tv channels

[05:20:57]

toeb:

but i can decide before i scan for channels whether i want radio+tv, so it is aware of the difference...

[05:21:10]

wagnerrp:

not exactly

[05:21:23]

wagnerrp:

normally it will just mark any channels with no video stream as an invalid channel

[05:21:25]

wagnerrp:

and ignore it

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toeb:

ok

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wagnerrp:

that setting just allows those channels to be added in a scan

[05:23:31]

toeb:

so as soon as the scan is done and the channel is in the database, you can no longer differentiate between tv and audio only streams?

[05:23:51]

wagnerrp:

pretty much

[05:24:47]

toeb:

anyone thought about automatically creating two channel groups for tv/radio channels while doing the scan?

[05:25:23]

wagnerrp:

radio has never been a big priority with mythtv

[05:25:42]

wagnerrp:

as indicated by the lack of support for radio tuner cards

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toeb:

i see...

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toeb:

apropos channel groups, if you have set myth to remember last channelgroup, it fails to load the epg if you deleted all channels and rescanned...

[05:28:44]

toeb:

this is obviosly a missconfiguration, so i'm not sure if i should open a ticket..

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sphery:

toeb: you mean "Delete all video sources"? If so, your channel group is now cleared (in trunk, soon in 0.24)

[05:31:47]

toeb:

sphery: no in the channel editor deleting all channels

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wagnerrp:

ah hah!

[05:32:22]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: you around?

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sphery:

ah, yeah, that would leave the groups in place

[05:32:37]

sphery:

but if id's don't match up, it won't work

[05:32:46]

sphery:

so you'd have to recreate your groups

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toeb:

yep disabling "remember last channelgroup" and then inserting channels to the groups did work... took me some time to figure this out...

[05:34:21]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, aye

[05:35:21]

toeb:

sphery: i would think most people would think myth is broken, despite it is there fault...

[05:36:17]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: mind if i kick this in... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1968668

[05:36:37]

wagnerrp:

just sets schedruntime to NOW()

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wagnerrp:

so mythweb queues at the bottom of the list instead of the top

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kormoc:

Aye, go for it

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wagnerrp:

something that has been annoying me for a while

[05:38:14]

wagnerrp:

apparently without it, it defaults to the beginning of 2007

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kormoc:

huh

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kormoc:

that table must have a odd default

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wagnerrp:

arguably, the database field should just default to NOW()

[05:38:44]

kormoc:

yeah

[05:39:09]

wagnerrp:

it really does default to new years 2007

[05:39:21]

wagnerrp:

no clue why that would be the default

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kormoc:

Yeah, we should change that to NOW()

[05:40:22]

kormoc:

actually

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kormoc:

inserttime should default to NOW() sadly

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kormoc:

and we should do a default null on schedruntime and ifnull(schedruntime, inserttime)

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kormoc:

ooh, status_time is now()

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kormoc:

can only have one set to now() and that'd be the one they picked

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kormoc:

bleh

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wagnerrp:

i seem to do... nothing in the bindings for all those values

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wagnerrp:

that should be remedied

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wagnerrp:

anyone know how long it takes thetvdb to update?

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justinh:

toeb: at some point mythtv likely *will* be able to differentiate these so-called 'radio' channels from the rest. all it needs is an amendment to the channel table (possibly a category) & tying into the UI

[09:10:52]

justinh:

but as I think somebody already said you could just manually sort them into groups

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deegan:

phew.. Almost done for now with all this channel-labeling-and-xmltv stuff. :)

[09:18:26]

deegan:

Only one little annoyance, the channel icon is not showing in the OSD.

[09:18:47]

deegan:

it's in the EPG guide but not the OSD.

[09:19:16]

justinh:

then maybe the osd isn't meant to show the icon

[09:19:43]

deegan:

using the blotube now, have been swapping around between a bunch of them and most of them show an icon in the preview window.

[09:20:00]

deegan:

but yea that was my thought too, that it wasn't suppose to show.

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justinh:

blotube?

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justinh:

you mean *blootube*

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deegan:

yea that's the one.

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justinh:

and that theme & OSD is no longer developed or supported

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justinh:

I should know. I made the piece of crap

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deegan:

:)

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deegan:

Ok well then name one that is still supported. And i'm running 0.23 here.

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justinh:

dunno. I use my own which currently isn't available anywhere :-P

[09:24:56]

justinh:

oops I said currently – but that doesn't imply it definitely *will* get a release sometime

[09:25:22]

justinh:

it's enough of a headache playing with it for my own ends without emails from whining users

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deegan:

Alright, using Gray now and that is suppose to be an official OSD theme. :)

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justinh:

heh "recorded tv show small preview window suddenly very blockey". they're running <0.23 then

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deegan:

And there's the channel number where the icon is suppose to be so i can only asume the theme is looking in the wrong place for the channel icon.

[09:27:28]

justinh:

or not.. ".24 weeklies". Man I want to KILL ubuntu-ites for calling it .24 before the official release

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justinh:

muh, we have to call it *something* they say. Yeah, well call it something *else*

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deegan:

oooh i see, they have to match the exact path given in the database.

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deegan:

that's a bit wierd, what if i'm running this as user bob and run the mythtv daemon as root or mythtv on the backend.

[09:30:55]

deegan:

i would have settled for ~/.mythtv/channels but an exact path, that's a bit harsch.

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deegan:

and strange that it shows up in the EPG but not the OSD.

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justinh:

oh boy. "is there some setting somewhere I can test which might be affecting the video preview window?". Yeah of course. you accidentally checked the 'make the video preview window look like crap' option

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ServerSage:

So I have a phantom entry in my capturecard table. It shows up in my inputs in mythfrontend, but it does not show up in "Capture Cards" in mythtv-setup. Is it safe to just delete it from the capturecard table?

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toeb:

justinh: i'm not that much of the manual sorting guy if it also could be automated...

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justinh:

it's rarely safe to just delete stuff from tables

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justinh:

grr. I'm this '' close to putting a rude message on the dog training club website I run saying that people who email asking for information given on the front page of the site will be tracked down & killed

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ServerSage:

Do you really think they would read it?

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justinh:

they don't read anything else but somehow they manage to find the contact email

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ServerSage:

You'd end up having to point out to them that you were being rude, and that would just be awkward.

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justinh:

I think this will be the last public-facing website I ever run

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justinh:

people are just too stupid to tolerate

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ServerSage:

And you hang out in IRC channels?

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justinh:

just this one

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justinh:

and I've cut down a lot

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ServerSage:

I'm sure you can quit any time. You don't *need* irc.

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ServerSage:

Hehe.

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justinh:

I've tried quitting for good.. it never works

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ServerSage:

They don't make an IRC patch or gum. :(

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justinh:

oh ffs. why did installing squashfs-tools & genisoimage remove so much stuff? :-O

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justinh:

it's completely buggered up xmltv now

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justinh:

sigh. remove squashfs-tools & genisoimage.. and put the massive amount of perl stuff they removed back

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justinh:

working again. phew!

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ServerSage:

Aaaah linux, how I lo(?:ve|oath) thee.

[10:33:04]

justinh:

might sell my soul. get a mac with the proceeds

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ServerSage:

I have a Mac, and still have a linux box for myth. :(

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justinh:

OMG our software guys have got our network viewer software working on linux. they can finally live up to the claim it's all done in java for cross-platform compatibility

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sphery:

ServerSage: Capture card portion (only) of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 (don't do the video sources portion)

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sphery:

you won't lose any channels or anything if you do just the capture card part

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ServerSage:

sphery: Thanks. :)

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sphery:

y/w

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ServerSage:

I can always tell when mythfilldatabase is running, poor hard drive grinds like mad.

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sphery:

have you switched to --dd-grab-all, yet?

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sphery:

if not, just wait 'til you hear that grind

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kringson:

hi @all, i plan to install a fresh mythtv box with a Floppy DTV S2 card

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ServerSage:

sphery: I have not, I take it thats the new recommended way?

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sphery:

ServerSage: if your hardware can handle it

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kringson:

does anyone know if this card is running in mythtv?

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sphery:

ServerSage: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/449426#449426

[10:44:59]

sphery:

kringson: check linuxtv

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sphery:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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kringson:

shery: linuxtv say yes

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sphery:

then shouldn't be a problem with MythTV

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sphery:

we support V4L/DVB, and if the card is supported by them, it should work in MythTV

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kringson:

sphery: thanks I'll test it an I hope it runs better a M$ MCE

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ServerSage:

I think I'd give up a body part to get the hdpvr working in osx with mythtv.

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kringson:

whats with DVB-S2

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kringson:

I read that I need a patch for MythTV is that right?

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sphery:

don't think you do if you use current MythTV

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sphery:

so like 10.10 should be good

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kringson:

great

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kringson:

thanks @all

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sphery:

10.04 is ok, if you enable auto-builds: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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ServerSage:

So is the hdhomerun still a solid purchase? Or is there a better alternative these days?

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justinh:

ooo. I get to have a go making a custom linux distro for work

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ServerSage:

justinh: Any reason to not use debian/ubuntu with an in house repository?

[11:05:55]

justinh:

nope

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justinh:

that's what I'm doing now

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justinh:

only rather than an in-house repo it's all gonna be on a cd

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ServerSage:

Aaaah, gotcha. Misunderstood.

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ServerSage:

—dd-grab-all sure does drive the load up.

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justinh:

this is just gonna be a base system preconfigured with a new thing we're doing :-)

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justinh:

nice that I finally get to use some more linux-fu in my day job

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orekerete:

hi i am trying to setup a proof of concept using MythTV. i need the solution to match the eventual product which wil use set-top-boxes, any ideas what small form factor hardware i can use for the frontend? read WD Live HD Media Player can be used

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justinh:

snigger

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justinh:

the WD Live HD Media Player might be able to play media files/recordings but how are you gonna do any scheduling?

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sphery:

I'd guess where you read it could be used, they meant as a UPnP player for recordings served by a MythTV backend

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orekerete:

Hi justinh my client crashed, was hoping that by mentioning that device, someone might get an idea of the direction i am trying to go

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sphery:

orekerete: a great small-form-factor, low-power-usage, pretty, sufficiently-powerful system is the Mac Mini

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sphery:

throw GNU/Linux on it and it works great. Either 2009 or 2010 model should work.

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orekerete:

Sphery: thanks, will go check out the costs

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sphery:

those being the only downside

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sphery:

but, in general, if you want small, quiet, and pretty, you pay a lot more

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** peitolm wonders how well the mac mini would deal with an ambient of 31->35C **

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orekerete:

can i quickly ask if the WD Live HD Media Player allows access to the frontend menu system as i dont need the full MythTV functionality on it, just enough to show the steps invovled in accessing the program listing, selecting a progamme and watching it?

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orekerete:

can i quickly ask if the WD Live HD Media Player allows access to the frontend menu system as i dont need the full MythTV functionality on it, just enough to show the steps invovled in accessing the program listing, selecting a progamme and watching it?

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orekerete:

can i quickly ask if the WD Live HD Media Player allows access to the frontend menu system as i dont need the full MythTV functionality on it, just enough to show the steps invovled in accessing the program listing, selecting a progamme and watching it?

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peitolm:

hmm, specs say 10–35C

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orekerete:

can i quickly ask if the WD Live HD Media Player allows access to the frontend menu system as i dont need the full MythTV functionality on it, just enough to show the steps invovled in accessing the program listing, selecting a progamme and watching it?

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sphery:

orekerete: not through UPnP

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sphery:

orekerete: only way that would be possible is by putting GNU/Linux (or similar) on it and compiling MythTV for it

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sphery:

and, I'm guessing, you won't be able to get the drivers to do anything

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sphery:

I'd say it would work as poorly as your IRC client

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KaZeR:

hey guys. is it possible to tell mythtv to give higher priority to live tv over recordings?

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justinh:

gah. ripped a heck of a lot of cruft out of this ubuntu iso & it's still over 500MB

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justinh:

KaZeR: who knows? I don't use livetv as a rule

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justinh:

there's always something better to do than sit around waiting for something to come on. or looking for something interesting, and missing the 1st 10 minutes of it because you were looking for it

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justinh:

oh you want to watch the news every night? simples. schedule it to record :D

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KaZeR:

justinh, i definitely do agree. but my gf likes to zap, and gets bored by my dozens of scheduled recordings :)

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justinh:

kill her. job done

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KaZeR:

well, she can still be useful :)

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justinh:

of all the things mythtv is really very good at, zapping ain't one of em

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peitolm:

KaZeR: yes it's possible

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peitolm:

KaZeR: I saw it the other day in mythtv-setup

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justinh:

so if I were you I'd just go back to having a TV input dedicated to brainless zapping

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KaZeR:

justinh, it's just that some people enjoy their TV that way

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KaZeR:

peitolm, ok thanks i'll double check

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justinh:

I can remember those days. I don't think I ever enjoyed waiting for something to come on or trawling dozens of channels looking for something to watch :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, are you using external SATA enclosures?

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: heres a good one, skippoint at 412494 on a recording wit ~110k frames

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, can you re-run mythcommflag manually on that with "DEBUGCOMMFLAG=1 mythcommflag -v commflag,file,extra,playback -c CHANID -s STARTTIME" and send me the resulting output? I think that will give me enough to see what's going on.

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Captain_Murdoch:

the DEBUGCOMMFLAG=1 env var setting turns on lots of extra debugging

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wagnerrp:

sorry, i had already run it through transcode

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wagnerrp:

but if you give me a few minutes, im sure ive got at least half a dozen more similarly affected ones

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: are you sure you want that much verbosity? this is going to end up being a 200MB file

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Captain_Murdoch:

how big compressed?

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, ^^

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Captain_Murdoch:

if it's under 10, then I'm fine with emailing. It's easier than me looking at the code to try to remember what to ask you to look at and paste somewhere for me to look at. :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

10MB that is.

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Captain_Murdoch:

even larger would probably be OK, not sure if I have a max set on my mail server or not.

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wagnerrp:

compressed? i dont know

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wagnerrp:

i figured it would be easier to just PM you a link on my file server, than try to email a large file

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wagnerrp:

pretty sure my ISP's outbound has a 10M max anyway

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wagnerrp:

in debug mode, it worked properly, no random skip point off in the distance

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wagnerrp:

im going to run it a second time normally and see what happens

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Captain_Murdoch:

do you use realtime flagging?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Captain_Murdoch:

could be that it only happens during realtime flagging

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Captain_Murdoch:

last issue I fixed (aka 'worked around') was due to that as well. the inconsistent keyframe interval caused the realtime flagger to catch up too fast and abort flagging. so I increased the startup delay a little to account for the known cases.

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wagnerrp:

i could wrap mythcommflag, and try to grab the debugging output if you want

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Captain_Murdoch:

if it works normally then that would probably help. if you do so, then maybe add 'network' to the verbose options _unless_ you do network streaming.

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Captain_Murdoch:

if it's reproducable on a short clip that would make the logs shorter.

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Captain_Murdoch:

needs to be longer than the flagger startup delay though, so probably 8 minutes minimum I think.

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wagnerrp:

well let me finish this normal commflag and see what it produces first

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wagnerrp:

195% CPU and only 80fps... i need a faster backend

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luker:

Hi experts, I just tried watching live TV. But there's no picture, just some on screen menu and after a few seconds, live TV stops and a messagebox pops up saying "Error opening jump program file".

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wagnerrp:

check your backend logs for an error as to why the recording failed

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luker:

Google has a lot of hits regarding that error message, but I wasn't able to figure out a solution yet.

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wagnerrp:

there is no solution to that error message, as there is no single problem to solve from that message

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wagnerrp:

you need to check your backend logs for the 'proper' error message

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wagnerrp:

man... i just hate when people send emails with big chunks of white space at the top, because theyre using their iphone

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** wagnerrp prods iamlindoro **

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iamlindoro:

I was proving a point, leave me alone

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wagnerrp:

:)

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wagnerrp:

i know, just kidding

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iamlindoro:

That point being, don't blame your e-mail client for your laziness

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, the 'normal' commflag run also ran properly

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luker:

So, what could be the 'proper' error message? I have tons of 'ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '1012_20101021184026.mpg'

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luker:

with changing time indices, of course.

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duffydack:

easy way to load backend during boot in ubuntu?

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tgm4883:

duffydack, what?

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tgm4883:

it loads automatically?

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luker:

Or what about 'ProgramInfo(1012_*SameAsAbove*), Error: Unknown type, recording width was 0.

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duffydack:

tgm4883, not for me

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wagnerrp:

luker: pastebin your backend logs from the time you were trying to use livetv

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duffydack:

tgm4883, when I run frontend it says there are no capture cards or whatnot , then I have to run backend setup, supply pass then quit it, and frontend works. I just thought, maybe I have to have tv tuner plugged in during boot....

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wagnerrp:

yes, you do

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend runs on boot

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duffydack:

doh. thx

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wagnerrp:

and you must have your tuner card attached when mythbackend runs

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is really designed to be run on dedicated hardware

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt be rebooting or swapping tuners on a whim

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flexy:

My mythwelcome starts FE even when the system is ACPI BIOS waken for a recording. So it does not shutdown. I know that I could use info key on mythwelcome to set it up so that it would shutdown after recording. But, I'm 700km away from the box at the moment...

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flexy:

How can I change the setting directly to mysql? I have ssh access to the box.

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toeb:

ssh -X

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flexy:

toeb: I tried it, but my laptop is with different GPU, so I can't see anything after pressing I. Atleast I think that happens because of difference in GPUs...

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flexy:

the box has nvidia and my laptop has intel gma4500..

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iamlindoro:

GPU has nothing to do with it

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wagnerrp:

the different opengl libraries the nvidia drivers install wont cause problems on other cards?

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toeb:

--override-setting ThemePainter=qt

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wagnerrp:

... you could always do that

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flexy:

ok, I'll try that

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flexy:

actually to be more precise, I see the background, but nothing in it (after pressing I in mythwelcome screen)

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flexy:

trying the override now... a bit slow connection, takes a moment :)

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flexy:

seems the same. a window with mythwelcome screen, pressing I opens new window on top of it with just background...

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flexy:

ahaa, now it draw the rest of the screen. regular FE.

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wagnerrp:

why would you buy a crystalhd decoder to use in a machine capable of VDPAU?

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Nede:

hi, sorry for my english, i use google translate....

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Nede:

Hello everyone, I use xmltv to drive tv_grab_it tv. I do NOT like to take mythfilldatabase icons xmltv?

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wagnerrp:

mythfilldatabase does not manage channel icons

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wagnerrp:

you need to go into the channel editor in mythtv-setup to pull those

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Nede:

not true! I download the guide on a file, then I say to mythfilldatabase to take it and I change the program icons ...

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Nede:

PS: hi wagnerrp!!!!!

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wagnerrp:

good evening

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xand:

I believe mythfilldatabase does do the icons

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Nede:

you place a portion of xmltv files ....

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Nede:

<tv source-info-url="http://www.k2tv.it,http://guidatv.sky.it,http . . . tp://iris.m$

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Nede:

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Nede:

<display-name>Canale 5</display-name>

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Nede:

<display-name>105</display-name>

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Nede:

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Nede:

note <icon src=........

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Nede:

mythfilldatabase running change icon if xmltv file....

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Nede:

bho?

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wagnerrp:

never used xmltv, so i dont know how MFD handles those files in the event they do provide a channel icon

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Nede:

I mythfilldatabase changes from the backend and the changes with those of xmltv ......

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Nede:

"crying"

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Nede:

:-( wagnerrp

[18:14:48]

Nede:

wagnerrp What do you use for TV Guide?

[18:15:52]

wagnerrp:

schedules direct, MFD has special support for it

[18:16:11]

Nede:

ah ok! thk!

[18:16:28]

wagnerrp:

only available in north america, not italy

[18:17:08]

Nede:

wagnerrp yes!!

[18:17:13]

Nede:

but do you think my problem may be a bug?

[18:17:18]

wagnerrp:

no clue

[18:18:02]

Nede:

:-(((( are really sad .....

[18:19:00]

Nede:

I then got the new frontend, and assembled a bomb!

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Nede:

Asus AT5IONT-I is ok!!!!

[18:20:54]

Nede:

[18:22:13]

Nede:

wagnerrp thanks for everything, friendly as ever. I go to the next

[18:22:58]

Nede:

good evening!

[18:23:18]

flexy:

Should I have "Block shutdown before client connected" set or unset to allow the box to shutdown after it was woken up for recording and recording is finished?

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iamlindoro:

Why does it seem like every time we have someone from .it in, they are loudly begging for help, wailing, and otherwise being overdramatic?

[18:25:04]

wagnerrp:

theyre all romantics

[18:25:17]

iamlindoro:

I wonder what italian phrase resulted in a translation of "Assembled a bomb!"

[18:25:25]

flexy:

the culture is a bit different, I presume

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flexy:

to my question few minutes ago, I don't quite know what client means in this case. frontend most likely qualifies as client, but does mythwelcome?

[18:28:09]

wagnerrp:

probably not

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wagnerrp:

its for when you manually start the machine

[18:28:31]

flexy:

so, unset?

[18:28:37]

wagnerrp:

so mythbackend doesnt recognize no upcoming recordings, and immediately shutdown

[18:28:42]

wagnerrp:

before you have a chance to open the frontend

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flexy:

right

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flexy:

I'm a bit confused, cause I think I have the right settings, but the mythwelcome and FE is running after the box woke to record some show a day or two ago... nobody at home.

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flexy:

so, fe should not be running.

[18:32:24]

iamlindoro:

Grrrrrr, #9131

[18:34:16]

wagnerrp:

beat me to it

[18:35:56]

wagnerrp:

if theyre using VLC to view it, why couldnt they just use VLC to record it?

[18:36:50]

wagnerrp:

more over, why doesnt the flight control software simply record it directly, rather than piping the feed over multicast

[18:37:02]

iamlindoro:

HIs address is at gmail

[18:37:08]

iamlindoro:

I doubt he's handling billion dollar contracts

[18:37:15]

iamlindoro:

so the information is suspect to begin with

[18:37:34]

wagnerrp:

"4k Solutions is a private company categorized under Computer Facilities Management and located in Midland, GA. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of 57,000 and employs a staff of approximately 1. "

[18:37:41]

wagnerrp:

:)

[18:37:44]

iamlindoro:

haha

[18:38:07]

bjd:

how can you employ approximately one person

[18:38:30]

wagnerrp:

well it depends on whether you consider the owner an employee

[18:38:44]

iamlindoro:

Because this guy is clearly approximately an engineer

[18:39:12]

bjd:

iamlindoro :)

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simonckenyon:

could i respectfully ask if there is any progress on #8941?

[18:44:17]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: perhaps they meant to say they had an annual revenue of 1 and employs a staff of approximately 57,000?

[18:44:22]

iamlindoro:

None that I am aware of, only danielk likely knows for sure but he hasn't mentioned looking at it

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simonckenyon:

thanks. it affects livetv; which i know is a low priority

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[19:09:53]

kringson:

hi @all, I'll configure my capture card, but when I go to DISeqc I see unconnected

[19:09:53]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: No SATA enclosure. I do have a PCI SATA card in one of my systems, still (used to have one in both).

[19:10:04]

kringson:

and I can activate this

[19:10:11]

kringson:

any ideas?

[19:10:16]

iamlindoro:

kringson: press down, then enter

[19:10:27]

wagnerrp:

kringson: you are using a DVB-S card?

[19:10:46]

kringson:

down and ENTER not work

[19:10:55]

kringson:

and yes i use dvb-s

[19:10:57]

iamlindoro:

Then your windows doesn't have focus

[19:11:04]

iamlindoro:

because down and enter definitely works

[19:11:55]

sphery:

and you have /told/ mythtv-setup that it's a DVB-S card?

[19:12:14]

kringson:

cool now it works

[19:12:18]

iamlindoro:

He wouldn't see a Diseq option if he hadn't

[19:12:33]

kringson:

i cant do it with my keyboard

[19:12:50]

kringson:

now i use the mouse, great

[19:12:55]

_larrikin:

how to get to the bottom of missing recordings ?

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sphery:

I thought the hide disecq button was new

[19:13:16]

high-rez:

kringson:Hit tab

[19:13:32]

sphery:

larrikin: missing, how?

[19:13:44]

sphery:

just-recorded shows that have never gotten a file?

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kringson:

thanks @all

[19:14:38]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Right, but only shows up for DVB card type

[19:14:45]

larrikin:

sphery: log says it recorded okay, no commflaggin, just a MPEG-TS->MPEG-PS transcode .. and the file is missing, has happened to me many times

[19:14:55]

iamlindoro:

meaning if he sees the diseqc button, he chose DVB card type

[19:15:00]

high-rez:

It woudl be really nice if the "not connected", being the only possible element, was selected by default – or if for a new dvb-s card, it pushed you right into configuring the layout.

[19:16:22]

larrikin:

sphery: I'm assuming the file is lost in the transcode process, but I don't know the best way to find out why, it only happens randomly

[19:17:02]

iamlindoro:

high-rez: We aren't willing to put any work into a setup that is being deleted and rewritten

[19:17:22]

sphery:

larrikin: using a user-job transcode (versus the built-in transcode stuff)?

[19:17:22]

high-rez:

iamlindoro: Fair enough ;)

[19:17:43]

high-rez:

iamlindoro: All of the DVB interface or just the DVB-S specific portion?

[19:17:54]

iamlindoro:

The entire setup process

[19:17:59]

high-rez:

Oh nice.

[19:17:59]

iamlindoro:

from start to finish

[19:18:15]

sphery:

larrikin: if not, I'd guess that there's actually no file ever written (unless the transcode says it's completing successfully and shows you something like 6.8GB -> 4.5GB)

[19:18:20]

iamlindoro:

Though for what it's worth, I did at least modify it such that the diseqc button only shows up for DVB-S card types now

[19:18:23]

high-rez:

I actually think the setup is quite good...

[19:18:33]

iamlindoro:

so that silly DVB-etc and ATSC users don't try to configure it

[19:18:35]

iamlindoro:

setup is awful

[19:18:37]

iamlindoro:

AWFUL

[19:18:42]

high-rez:

Just a little crust around it.

[19:18:46]

iamlindoro:

If my mother can't do it, it's garbage

[19:18:54]

high-rez:

Fair enough.

[19:19:01]

high-rez:

I think its the biggest complaint I've heard.

[19:19:06]

sphery:

larrikin: you'll get a recording that never has a file--and the backend shows no errors--if the card never gives mythbackend any data (meaning hardware/driver problems with the capture card)

[19:19:11]

high-rez:

(From people I've tried to push to myth)

[19:19:33]

high-rez:

That and the whole "Wait to add a frontend I have to manually run some SQL commands?"...

[19:19:45]

iamlindoro:

Ideally, after the rewrite we want myth to be configurable in 10 minutes or less, and for it to be *impossible* to end up with a setup that is invalid/non working

[19:20:17]

larrikin:

sphery: okay, noted.. can it be logged ?

[19:20:25]

iamlindoro:

ie, sanity check every single step, IP addresses selected from a dropdown instead of user input, move all the trivial, fiddly, breakable settings into an advanced pane, etc.

[19:20:35]

iamlindoro:

require that all steps be performed to completion, in order...

[19:20:37]

high-rez:

Yeah. I think something like a step by step wizard could help (i cant believe I suggested a wizard).

[19:20:46]

iamlindoro:

and it will be a web interface run by the backend

[19:20:57]

high-rez:

Nice!

[19:21:12]

iamlindoro:

so you will install myth, your package will presumably start the backend, and you'll just fire up a browser and navigate to localhost:6543 and go through the steps

[19:21:31]

high-rez:

I've got a really complex configuration. When I first started it was quite hard to understand the relationships (input connections to capture cards to blah blah blah).

[19:21:35]

iamlindoro:

Which has the additional advantage that capture cards will be addable and removeable on the fly without restarting the backend

[19:21:55]

iamlindoro:

Yes, we'll probably rethink the language or at least offer human-readable tooltip/instructions

[19:22:12]

high-rez:

Will you guys abstract the frontend->mysql direct connection into the myth protocol itself ?

[19:22:24]

high-rez:

I think that would be quite useful so people don't have to grant sql permissions to add frontends.

[19:24:16]

iamlindoro:

No, that has nothing to do with setup, so not planned

[19:24:25]

iamlindoro:

we may have an embedded database in time for .25, though

[19:24:30]

iamlindoro:

meaning no SQL config period

[19:25:49]

bjd:

i hope thats optional

[19:25:50]

sphery:

larrikin: you'd have to use some external process to check--could use a mythtv system event to triggered on recording started/finished ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_System_Events ) to kick off a script that checks for the file

[19:25:57]

iamlindoro:

no, embedded DB will not be optional

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sphery:

larrikin: and if you do, please post your scripts and the configuration you used to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:MythTV_System_Event_Scripts

[19:26:38]

sphery:

i.e. create a new page with Category: MythTV System Event Scripts

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wagnerrp:

bjd: the purpose of an embedded database is that the backend now has dedicated access, and more importantly control over it

[19:28:03]

wagnerrp:

so it can sanitize any data going into it, optimize as needed, and repair if necessary

[19:28:27]

sphery:

and users won't have to learn how to set up and maintain mysql

[19:28:28]

wagnerrp:

all automatically, as there is no need to worry about other processes tinkering with the database while it is trying to repair

[19:28:52]

wagnerrp:

theyll just have to install the shared libraries

[19:29:41]

iamlindoro:

But since it's sphery promising it, just add 0 to projected version number and shift decimal one place right ;)

[19:30:04]

wagnerrp:

so... 2.50?

[19:30:09]

iamlindoro:

right

[19:30:25]

** iamlindoro patiently waits for sphery to prove him wrong **

[19:30:26]

iamlindoro:

;)

[19:31:12]

wagnerrp:

oh how the tables have turned

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iamlindoro:

Why? I deliver things prematurely, if anything ;)

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high-rez:

Wow thats funny on so many levels...

[19:32:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

now that's something I wouldn't have admitted to!!!

[19:32:36]

iamlindoro:

har har

[19:32:40]

wagnerrp:

thats what she said?

[19:32:44]

wagnerrp:

!seen [R]

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MythLogBot:

[R] was last seen 12 hours 37 minutes 2 seconds ago

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iamlindoro:

yeah, he missed it

[19:32:51]

high-rez:

Don't worry man it happens to all of us at some point in lie. Just practice at it. ;)

[19:32:55]

iamlindoro:

he'll be peeved

[19:32:58]

high-rez:

s/lie/life

[19:33:29]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: my point is, sphery always seems to be the one spurning on others to get work done

[19:33:50]

skd5aner:

sphery embodies the voices of 1000 users!

[19:34:06]

** iamlindoro makes releases happen **

[19:34:43]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: didnt you know, when you help someone on the -users list, they are now your responsibility

[19:34:50]

wagnerrp:

he carries the weight of many thousands

[19:35:37]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: which is probably why you won't find skd5aner on the -users list for probably a year or more

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sphery:

wagnerrp: primarily through talking up things on my TODO list until someone else gets them done for me

[19:36:22]

sphery:

it's a recognized coding style

[19:36:28]

wagnerrp:

heh

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sphery:

there is no editor

[19:37:33]

wagnerrp:

its a variant on butterfly programming... http://xkcd.com/378/

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, yeah

[19:45:20]

sphery:

dance, my butterflies, dance

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larrikin:

sphery: re, missing recorings, okay more user content on the wiki would be nice.. here is the relevant b/e log, but nothing really useful http://pastebin.com/8YCx5XyY , I should probably re-compile dvb module with debugging..?

[19:47:57]

wagnerrp:

butterflies dont dance... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHZR9SA5pOg

[19:48:00]

wagnerrp:

sprockets do

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sphery:

heh

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skd5aner:

heh – http://xkcd.com/798/

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wagnerrp:

fun with metrics

[19:57:11]

wagnerrp:

back down to 124GB free...

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larrikin:

sphery: last question on the subject,.. if the scanning or tuning timeout values are reached for a dvb, does this always mean a log entry in the b/end logfile ? I see none.. so I can assume there have been no myth timeouts ?

[19:59:50]

sphery:

larrikin: I think so

[20:00:03]

larrikin:

okay thanks

[20:00:13]

sphery:

it's just when the capture card reports no errors but gives no data that we have the "no errors but no file" issue

[20:02:17]

larrikin:

not even a 0 byte'r ..:(

[20:03:28]

sphery:

larrikin: this can be caused by invalid tuning info, too--might be fixed by a channel scan

[20:04:49]

Guest98851:

Hi there, I finally managed to pastebin mythtv-backend.log to http://pastebin.com/TP3qCa1R (to track down the 'Error opening jump program file' message)

[20:05:22]

larrikin:

its always been a fairly random event, regardless of how recently I've done a scan,.. I suspect its triggered when the scheduler switches inputs unecessarily, which it does occasionally..

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wagnerrp:

lukeer: id say you need to rescan your channels

[20:10:50]

lukeer:

I did that yesterday.

[20:11:21]

lukeer:

And I got many DVB and MPG channels as well as one SCTE.

[20:11:32]

lukeer:

I live in germany.

[20:11:53]

sphery:

you need to update to current 0.23-fixes to get a good scanner

[20:12:34]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Feel free to backport r26947 for the mythtvtalk guy

[20:12:58]

lukeer:

Yep, updated to 0.23.1-fixes26863–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu2

[20:13:00]

iamlindoro:

current fixes will still find the same channels, fixes only pertain to their naming being sensible

[20:13:23]

iamlindoro:

And it being called SCTE doesn't mean much of anything, just means that it has the CUEI MPEG descriptor in the stream, will still be perfectly usable

[20:14:01]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i just dont understand why people are afraid of 'editing code'

[20:14:24]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: They want patching binaries that patch their packaged executables... like on windows! :)

[20:14:35]

lukeer:

iamlindoro: So I could just add all non-conflicting channels to my channel list?

[20:14:53]

iamlindoro:

If you are going to scan, you should do it from scratch

[20:15:32]

lukeer:

By 'from scratch' you mean to clear the channels list, not to re-install, I hope?

[20:16:09]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i suppose it helps to have run source-based systems for the past 7 years

[20:16:35]

iamlindoro:

yes, I mean clear all channels, and rescan

[20:17:09]

wagnerrp:

lukeer: the thinking is that you have a remnant channel from a previous scan, that is no longer valid

[20:17:40]

wagnerrp:

its no longer tunable, but is still marked visible, and is the default channel

[20:19:51]

lukeer:

Ok, will clear channels list and re-scan.

[20:20:34]

sphery:

best way to clear channels list is the video sources portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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wagnerrp:

i think the 'will this harmony device work with mythtv' is going to be my next pet peeve

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lukeer:

So, I should delete all video sources in addition to deleting all channels?

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lukeer:

Channel scan in progress finding numerous TransportIDs numbered 1060 and above with ~15 probable channels each.

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lukeer:

Perhaps, since I'm trying to use DVB-S, I should only insert non-conflicting DVB channels into the channels list?

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iamlindoro:

Only if you only want some of your channels

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iamlindoro:

If you don't understand what it means, don't guess

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iamlindoro:

The difference between DVB, MPEG, and SCTE channels are are signalling differences, it doesn't mean they're all not valid channels

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iamlindoro:

You should insert *all* found channels, including renaming what are detected as conflicting channels, then remove channels you don't want or which appear to be dupes later

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duffydack:

Is there an option to record direct to an avi or some other format than mpeg?

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iamlindoro:

no

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duffydack:

I know it might be a drain on the system, just wondered.

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duffydack:

k

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iamlindoro:

*Nobody* should be using AVI as a container, anyway

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lukeer:

For now, I would prefer to see just one program working over many that confuse me.

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lukeer:

What does conflicting channel mean, by the way?

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gizmobay:

I just compiled 0.24 RC 1. I've been using ladspa to normalize the volumes for all my cards by setting my device to ALSA:ladcomp. I tested this with mplayer by using alsa:device=ladcomp and it worked. Anyone know how to fix this?

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iamlindoro:

It means that the uniqueness checking algorithm of the channel scanner suggests that the channel may be the same as another found in the scan

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gizmobay:

Since it no longer works with mythtv.

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iamlindoro:

gizmobay: not sure you can use the plugins with ALSA output-- the only outputs which will work for sure are those found in the "scan for devices"

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gizmobay:

okay, that's kind of what I thought was happening.

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iamlindoro:

However, the scan for devices *should* pick up any devices properly configured in your .asoundrc, TTBOMK, so if it's configured there it ought to appear in the list after scanning

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gizmobay:

it's in my /etc/asound.conf

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iamlindoro:

So configure it properly in your .asoundrc

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gizmobay:

it's not showing up after I can for devices

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gizmobay:

*scan

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iamlindoro:

K, then there's your answer, I guess... gotta use a scanned device

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gizmobay:

okay

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lukeer:

Scan completed. I used only non-conflicting DVB channels.

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iamlindoro:

sigh

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lukeer:

I set the default channel to the one representing 'ARD'

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iamlindoro:

I'm not answering any more questions when you won't follow the advice of someone who's actually read the code

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iamlindoro:

and written at least some of it

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iamlindoro:

good luck, have fun

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lukeer:

Ok ok, I'll add all the other channels as well.

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lukeer:

But how should that help in bringing just one single channel to work as a beginning?

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wagnerrp:

add one channel, add a hundred.. you still must scan so what difference does it make

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wagnerrp:

may as well do it right the first time

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lukeer:

Never mind. Let's just say we're scanning and then adding all the channels found. (Just a moment...)

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kringson:

hi I am back and my fresh installed mythtv box is running :-)

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kringson:

but I have one question, can I get sound though hdmi?

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mtrax:

can I ask a question about Guide data, more a question about making a standard interface?

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mtrax:

would it be possible to create a UI to standardise this setup?

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mtrax:

this appears to be one of the difficult parts to install for a non-linux person outside the US.

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wagnerrp:

kringson: if your board/videocard supports sound over HDMI, yes

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mtrax:

I know there are some config screens but most seem to require some cmd line config.

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wagnerrp:

kringson: mythtv has no special support, it just uses whatever audio devices happen to be available

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wagnerrp:

and if one of those devices happens to mux into the video output, so be it

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lukeer:

Who would have thought? I added two million channels, all conflicting and had to set a unique channel id for each one.

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_acde:

hi, I have problem changing channels. tuner tuners to start channel without any problem, but when I try to change channel I get "Error: SetInputAndFormat(1, SECAM-D) while setting format (v4l v2) eno: Device or resource busy (16)"

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_acde:

this tuner uses cx18 driver. I have another tuner with pvrusb2 driver and it works fine

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wagnerrp:

_acde: what card?

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_acde:

It's new card that has no support yet and I added it to driver. I added only configuration section, no any changes to driver logic.

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_acde:

it works just fine if I use v4l2-ctl

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_acde:

it tunes to any start channel without problem but when I try to change it – ge this error

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skd5aner:

is there any plans to support writting to SGs from slave backends where the storage group is remote and not mounted (i.e., not locally accessible)

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skd5aner:

so, to clarify – for recordings

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sphery:

welll, the -users list is doing it's job

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sphery:

one more user talked out of getting a mac mini and into getting an ion system

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Criggie:

hah I'm upgrading to a via 1ghz :)

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Criggie:

old frontend is a p3 500

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jams:

stay on the p3

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Criggie:

can't – its magic-smoked.

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jams:

well i suggest you apply the same smoke the that via and find something else to use =)

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sphery:

+1

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jams:

just my .02

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Criggie:

heh

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Criggie:

fair enough

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Criggie:

its an old mako firewall

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sphery:

I hate to say it, but even an ION system would be better than that

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Criggie:

fogging strange for a hardware firewall box to have composite video, stereo RCA audio out, SPDIF and IR in.

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jams:

the only computer i have ever thrown out the window was a via cpu based system and it felt great

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Criggie:

jams: nice

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