Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, October 13th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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wagnerrp:

like people buying PVR-150s and actually getting HVR-1600s

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Beirdo:

newegg probably didn't differentiate between v1 and v2

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knightr:

wagnerrp, like Beirdo said I think...

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Beirdo:

like they'd even know, necessarily

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Beirdo:

the HDPVR I'd be more concerned about

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knightr:

Beirdo, for them as long as they provide the proper Windoze drivers everything is fine...

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Beirdo:

for what? HDPVR? I think not

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wagnerrp:

why is this guy even running a i686 PAE kernel anyway?

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Beirdo:

Hauppauge is a lot more Linux-friendly than we give them credit for

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knightr:

Beirdo, no the other tuner...

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Beirdo:

ahh

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, so he can use 32 gigs of ram on his pentium pro

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knightr:

The HD PVR for the product id 0x4903 the fix is known to work, I saw it on another website and somebody confirmed that it works...

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: is hauppauge linux friendly? or just several of their employees?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I'm sure they know that their employees are doing what they are doing

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Beirdo:

and if you think about it...

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Beirdo:

MythTV has single-handedly likely gotten them 100k+ units sold

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Beirdo:

of various devices

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wagnerrp:

theyre still the only recommended hardware for any form of analog

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wagnerrp:

and have been for as long as ive been involved in mythtv

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Beirdo:

yeah, and the only possibility for component capture

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Beirdo:

and pretty much the best for digital in many situations

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knightr:

the guy is a moron, he replied back on the ml...

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Beirdo:

I personally own... 5 of their devices

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Beirdo:

multiply that by x number of users.... we drive them a lot of business

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clever:

50% of my capture cards are hauppauge!

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knightr:

depending of his answer I would have tried to help him but now, I'm no longer interested...

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clever:

(1)

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wagnerrp:

100% of my capture cards are... if you consider my hdhr not-a-card

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

an hdhr is a card

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Beirdo:

it happens to be in a box, and is connected via ethernet

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wagnerrp:

nah, its a standalone device

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Beirdo:

but there's a card in there

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Beirdo:

:)

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clever:

i looked at some new digital capture cards in stores recently

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knightr:

75% of mine (but I can't use my HD Homerun right now because my UHF antenna is damaged...)

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clever:

but they where all PCI-e

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Beirdo:

yeah, I have all Hauppauge except the HD Homerun

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Beirdo:

clever: so?

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clever:

Beirdo: my motherboards only have ISA, PCI, and AGP

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Beirdo:

so buy something new.

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Beirdo:

duh

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clever:

that would mean buying a new vid card AND a new motherboard

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clever:

and probly some ram/cpu too

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knightr:

clever, USB?

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clever:

knightr: yeah, thats the only remaining option till i upgrade my master backend

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Beirdo:

knightr: you feel like sending him a "You sure you don't want MCE?" message :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

clever: so?

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Beirdo:

upgrading is good, mmkay?

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clever:

yeah, but hard on the wallet

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knightr:

I think the HVR-950Q is supported under Linux...

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clever:

i'm wondering how the card-less master backend support is now?

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knightr:

Beirdo, no, I'm not trying anything else, I'll update my antispam config and that will be it...

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Beirdo:

hehe

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clever:

have things improved in that area?

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knightr:

Beirdo, I could contact MS and tell them he's interested in their product though...

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Beirdo:

hehe

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knightr:

The PVR-500 is probably the second easiest card to get working under MythTV (the first being the PVR-150 (or the other PVR-x50s))

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Beirdo:

the only possible issues is mis-detecting the tuners

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Beirdo:

once lspci sees it, and thus ivtv sees it, it works in 90%+ of the cases with no help at all

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: it does /now/

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wagnerrp:

ivtv stuff used to be hellish <2.6.16

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

only slightly

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Beirdo:

and most of that was mis-detecting tuners, no?

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Beirdo:

I remember using ivtv when it was barely even out

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wagnerrp:

getting the drivers compiled and installed, getting the proper settings pushed into the modules when you load them

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wagnerrp:

and the firmware... oh how i hate dealing with firmware

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Beirdo:

hehe

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knightr:

Beirdo, only thing I added to make everything work was udev rules for my PVR-500 and PVR-150...

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Beirdo:

yeah, it was joyful at the beginning

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wagnerrp:

its not a problem now that the package manager all handle download for you automatically

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Beirdo:

yeah.

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wagnerrp:

but in the 0.2 and 0.4 days...

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Beirdo:

oh why oh why did I reply :)

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knightr:

Beirdo, don't tell me you did the same mistake I did? Are you nuts?

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wagnerrp:

is he saying he wants to capture off VGA?

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Beirdo:

I think he wants us to beat him mercilessly with a trout

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knightr:

wagnerrp, Isn't that why he wanted a scan converter? :)

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knightr:

!trout grounded

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** MythLogBot slaps grounded with a trout on behalf of knightr... **

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** Beirdo counts the posts before the grounded dude gets royally flamed. **

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** wagnerrp wonders how many days it will take at his current rate before he exceeds sphery's post count **

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** Beirdo hands wagnerrp the trout. Plenty more in the pail should that one get too squishy **

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wagnerrp:

is it frozen?

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Beirdo:

generally, we'd want it to be. more satisfying :)

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Beirdo:

WHUMP!

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wagnerrp:

i dont know

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wagnerrp:

i mean a frozen one would be like a heavy bat

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wagnerrp:

but a thawed one, you get that whip-like effect

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Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

both have their merit

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Beirdo:

I think this guy deserves the more frozen model

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Beirdo:

put us out of our misery

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knightr:

There another solution too...

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knightr:

!trout frozen trout knightr

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** MythLogBot slaps frozen with a trout knightr trout on behalf of knightr... **

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Beirdo:

heh

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knightr:

oops, didn't get that right...

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Beirdo:

!trout knightr frozen

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** MythLogBot slaps knightr with a frozen trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Beirdo:

:)

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knightr:

thanks, I needed that... :)

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Beirdo:

mike@clueless.net

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

wow... the fermi cards are running effective 3.6GHz memory clock?

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Beirdo:

I wish the amp in my desktop machine would amplify more

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Beirdo:

this isn't loud enough

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: what was the threadpool setting again?

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Beirdo:

ummm HTTP/ThreadPool/Max I think

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Beirdo:

might be ThreadPool/HTTP/Max.

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Beirdo:

it's in threadpool.cpp :)

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Beirdo:

sorry, work keeps preempting fun :)

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Criggie:

you need to do more "fun" work

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wagnerrp:

like smiting your enemies

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Criggie:

HULK SMITE!

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Criggie:

nah hasn't got the same ring...

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wagnerrp:

HURLBUT SMITE!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I like my job...

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Beirdo:

but it can cut into fun at times :)

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Wicked:

hey guys. i got a weird issue going on. i got a pvr150 and sometimes my recordings have some weird coloring issues. i especially notice them on the station "fx"...it seems like the color is cycling...faces will look kinda dark and the coloring will kinda change hues.

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Wicked:

Id love to get it fixed....if i where to post a few second clip would someone check it out?

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wagnerrp:

tuner or capture?

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Wicked:

im not sure what you mean

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Beirdo:

i.e. how is the capture source hooked up?

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Wicked:

ah. svideo

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wagnerrp:

you can plug in a tv, and it doesnt have the same issues?

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Wicked:

i actually dont own a tv at the moment

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Beirdo:

might be a funky svideo cable... do you have a spare?

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Wicked:

i might

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Wicked:

i will have to look around.

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Beirdo:

kinda sounds like the chroma is wonky to me

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Wicked:

its really only noticible on this one channel

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Wicked:

at 1st i thought it was some kind of color auto correction

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Wicked:

because it kinda cycles

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Beirdo:

I could be wrong, but if you have a spare cable, it's easy enough to swap

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Wicked:

faces will loook very very slightly purple...then it will gradually start to look normal...then back to slightly purple

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Wicked:

yea

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Wicked:

i will look around for one in a few mins

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Wicked:

im trying to import a recording into avidemux to make a short clip i can upload

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Wicked:

i dont know if im really articulating the issue good

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Beirdo:

hahahahahaha

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Beirdo:

our grounded buddy bought the PVR-500 not knowing if it will do DVB or not.

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Wicked:

:o it doesnt does it?

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wagnerrp:

is that what he was talking about?

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wagnerrp:

i saw something about him intending to use the channel scan from his 1600 for his 500s

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wagnerrp:

and was confused

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m4xx:

when i try to use the scte65scan tool as described in the wiki it says it cant connect to the device. is there an argument i need to pass to tell it what device to use?

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Wicked:

...its taking a few mins to import this recording across my lan.

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Wicked:

might be a few mins before i can post the clip

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Wicked:

is there any good hosting sites you guys use?

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wagnerrp:

m4xx: have you checked your lineup on the silicondust site?

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m4xx:

schedules direct?

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wagnerrp:

silicondust

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m4xx:

no i have not

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m4xx:

silicondust.com?

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wagnerrp:

their tuner boxes upload listings to their central database

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wagnerrp:

so you can go on their site, and get a lineup of what unencrypted digital channels you will get in your area

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Beirdo:

Wicked: nah, pick one ya like :)

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wagnerrp:

chances are that your comcast affiliate has started using privacy mode on their DTAs

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Wicked:

k :)

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wagnerrp:

rendering scte65scan next to useless

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Beirdo:

the fewer click-thrus the better, of course

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Wicked:

yea. ill prob use like hotfile

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Wicked:

or something

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wagnerrp:

m4xx: it just lets you check to see what you should get before spending time trying to make something work

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m4xx:

if i channel scan i do get channels, but they dont match up to schedules direct at all. i guess there is some "out of band" stuff that comcast sends or something like that, which that tool i think is suppose to be able to read and sync up my channels

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wagnerrp:

your tuner cannot pick up the 'out of band' data

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wagnerrp:

the reason scte65scan works is because the cheap DTA also cannot receive such 'out of band' data

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wagnerrp:

so they have to broadcast the maps 'in band'

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wagnerrp:

so you can capture and use them as well

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wagnerrp:

but understand that those maps are only useful for the standard definition channels usable by the DTAs

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m4xx:

oh sorry, i really dont know the difference. i'm trying to read with out asking too many questions

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Beirdo:

OK, I think I'll head home

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m4xx:

is there any easy way for me to match stuff up? or am i going to need to edit all of the channels in the channel editor?

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wagnerrp:

scte65scan is an alternate scanner

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wagnerrp:

if you can use it, it will insert all your accessible channels into the able, using the same channel numbers that schedules direct uses

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wagnerrp:

which means mythfilldatabase will be able to automatically populate the xmltvids

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m4xx:

what would you suggest i do? edit the channels manually?

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wagnerrp:

do you have a lot of channels available?

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m4xx:

yes =[

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m4xx:

a bunch are doubles though

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wagnerrp:

drop your source, recreate it, scan using scte65scan from scratch

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m4xx:

again, scte65scan doesn't output anything

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wagnerrp:

then run the internal scanner to pick up any of the local HD channels that would not be listed by scte65scan

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m4xx:

it says like "Warning: cannot connect to device"

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wagnerrp:

is your backend running at the time?

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Wicked:

i encoded it to xvid to keep size down....im only on dsl...i verified that the picture issue is present in both original and xvid

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m4xx:

i don't believe so

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m4xx:

but i will double check

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Wicked:

the issue is most notable ~7 seconds in....watch the guys face change color

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Wicked:

Beirdo, wagnerrp http://hotfile.com/dl/75639952/3f63c97/weird_coloring.avi.html

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m4xx:

ls

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wagnerrp:

hehehe... recaptcha fail...

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m4xx:

i dont see any myth services stuff running

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m4xx:

still get the error

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wagnerrp:

http://www.wagnerrp.com/images/recaptcha.png

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wagnerrp:

seems their OCR software doesnt know how to handle big letters

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kormoc:

404

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Wicked:

that link is dead wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

works here... bad IP?

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Wicked:

ah

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Wicked:

must be

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Wicked:

Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to www.wagnerrp.com

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m4xx:

same

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Wicked:

www.wagnerrp.com has address 66.42.242.176

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kormoc:

Error 102 (net::ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED)

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wagnerrp:

yep... changed

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wagnerrp:

http://66.42.243.47/images/recaptcha.png

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kormoc:

nice

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wagnerrp:

that isnt some kind of macrovision effect is it?

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wagnerrp:

its surging in a repeating pattern

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Wicked:

i dont think so

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m4xx:

any suggestions on getting this workign?

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Wicked:

i didnt change anything

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Wicked:

and it only seems to do it on fx

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Wicked:

i dont notice it doing the color cycling on any other station

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Wicked:

but ti does it no fx for sons of anarchy and its always sunny

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Wicked:

at 1st i thought it might be like some kinda auto color correction...but i tested it in xbcm,mplayer, and vlc

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Wicked:

and it appears in all those

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Wicked:

i just got worried it could be my tv card dying.

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Wicked:

ive come so accustomed to using mythtv...it would be devistating to lost it lol

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Wicked:

crap. i dont know if i have another svideo cable...ill have to check the other rooms

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FredYerkes:

Hello – I'm trying to archive a recording to dvd but it fails with "ERROR: Failed while running dvdauthor. Result: 1"

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FredYerkes:

Pretty scant on details, I suspect I could turn up the verbosit, anyone have any insight on this before I wait for it to fail again?

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Beirdo:

OMG

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Beirdo:

clueless clueless clueless

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[R]:

Beirdo: its okay... we forgive you

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Beirdo:

I'm not grounded

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[R]:

did you esd something to death?

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** Beirdo smacks [R] with the -users mailing list **

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

you talking about that mike guy?

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wagnerrp:

he just cant grasp the concept of 'YOU NEED TO USE THE PROPRIETARY NVIDIA DRIVERS'

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[R]:

i stopped reading his crap long ago

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Beirdo:

yeah

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[R]:

although i did see the one where he freaked out about you telling him about his broken clock

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Beirdo:

several of us have told him. get that crap installed and then worry about the other stuff

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Beirdo:

but no....

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Beirdo:

he's gotta flail around like an idiot

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[R]:

flail

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[R]:

lol

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** Beirdo patiently waits for his frontend box to finish compiling **

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knightr:

Beirdo, you should install distcc on it..

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Beirdo:

pish

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Beirdo:

I'm replacing it in a short time anyways

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** wagnerrp is wondering if the ships on SGU are going to make little baby ships **

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[R]:

wagnerrp: don't ruin it for me i havent watched yet

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knightr:

in that case... BTW, why did you say pish, you don't like distcc or something else?

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psion:

hi, I'm new to mythtv and for the life of me, I can't figure out something that should be rather easy

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psion:

I have added a video file to the /var/lib/mythtv/videos folder, but when I select watch videos, it says no videos found

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wagnerrp:

[R]: 30 seconds into the episode, it 'docks' with another ship... and extends a 'boarding ramp' into it... after which they 'exchange data'

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[R]:

psion: you have to scan... it hjelps when you read the mythvideo documentation

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Beirdo:

not worth setting it up to just shut it down in a short time

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[R]:

wagnerrp: rofl

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psion:

[R]: ah, so it's specific to the mythvideo documentation, I've been looking for info

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[R]:

well you're trying otu se mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

maybe theyll have new shuttles by the end of the episode

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knightr:

Beirdo, good point...

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[R]:

logic dictates that you would read its documentation

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Beirdo:

logic, schmogic

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wagnerrp:

aww crap, bugs in the monitor again

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Beirdo:

why would anyone start thinking now?

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mishehu:

thinking is not allowed.

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wagnerrp:

[R]: he came here to plead, not to read

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Beirdo:

my tongue is NOT happy with me having chomped it this morning

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[R]:

why do i incessantly spill my chipotle when eating on the couch

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mishehu:

[R]: it's like the couhc's fault

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wagnerrp:

!trout [R] burrito skillz

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** MythLogBot slaps [R] with a burrito skillz trout on behalf of wagnerrp... **

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[R]:

its not even a burrito

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[R]:

its a bowl

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mishehu:

I have a shirt that always attracts bbq sauce or ketchup. it's never any other shirt.

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wagnerrp:

HTF do you spill a bowl?

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[R]:

tilt it... fling the fork... thers multiple ways

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mishehu:

some of us are not as versed in coordination as others

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Beirdo:

oh.

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Beirdo:

chipotle tobasco and chomped tongue was a wonderful combo at lunch today

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psion:

[R]: from what I read, to initiate a scan you bring up the menu and select scan for changes, however I don't see that option anywhere

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wagnerrp:

psion: you pressed 'm'?

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psion:

yeah

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psion:

it just says, "system menu — about, cancel"

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psion:

those are my only options

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wagnerrp:

so... you arent in mythvideo

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psion:

hrm, I'm in mythfrontend, I didn't realize it was a seperate program

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FredYerkes:

"Cannot find any logs to show!"

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mishehu:

Beirdo: at least you didn't eat any indian food

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Beirdo:

that woulda been better

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wagnerrp:

psion: no, its a plugin

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wagnerrp:

media library --> watch videos

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Beirdo:

chipotle tobasco sauce has a LOT of vinegar :)

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psion:

wagnerrp: I was in that

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you should use their vinaigrette

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Beirdo:

no

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wagnerrp:

on your burrito

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Beirdo:

I like the chipotle tobasco

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wagnerrp:

their salad dressing is delicious

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Beirdo:

i.e. tobasco brand chipotle sauce

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psion:

wagnerrp: no wait, it works now, sorry

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Beirdo:

I'll have to try their vinaigrette sometime though

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wagnerrp:

honey chipotle vinaigrette

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Beirdo:

sounds yummy too

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Beirdo:

although some habanero chocolate truffles I've had recently were pretty yummy too

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[R]:

i just realized the myth port is 3456 backwards

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[R]:

haha

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Beirdo:

sooo quiet. I can actually get some TV watching done

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wagnerrp:

erm... ok

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Beirdo:

what?

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Beirdo:

I think the grounded mike forgot how to post :)

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[R]:

oh... and today i realized what the difference between padding and margin is in css

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[R]:

it only took me how many years... lol

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wagnerrp:

[R]: i just realized that the upnp port is 0091 backwards

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wagnerrp:

and halflife talks on 51072 backwards

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[R]:

wagnerrp: whats that?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: oh shut

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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Beirdo:

just the usual blather this evening, I guess

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Beirdo:

oO

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Beirdo:

next is jpabq+?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: so i still dont know if i like sgu

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why dvds and hddvds dont fill the entire disk

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Beirdo:

because then they'd have to put in all sorts o' crap

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wagnerrp:

no they dont, just crank up their bitrate

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kormoc:

and can't charge later for the crap as special editions

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Beirdo:

but they'd rather put a second disk with all that?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: stop trying to make sense... it's the movie industry, they have serious cranial-rectal inversion syndrome

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[R]:

wagnerrp: they dont have a slider control for bitrate

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

sure they do

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[R]:

they being the peopel that make the dvds

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[R]:

they probably have presets

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Beirdo:

suck, suck worse, and suck dead bear?

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

i mean why do i have a movie thats only 16mbps, when ive got like 10GB free on the disk

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wagnerrp:

theyre already two layers

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wagnerrp:

its not like its cheaper to make a half filled layer than a full layer

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[R]:

i thought bluray was higher bitrate

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wagnerrp:

these are hddvd

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wagnerrp:

but thats still 30GB/disk

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wagnerrp:

theres no reason why i should have 15GB files

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[R]:

was it an earlier disc or a later disc?

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wagnerrp:

theyre all earlier discs

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wagnerrp:

they stopped making them in like 2007

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[R]:

i know, b ut they made for a period of time

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[R]:

if it was an eralier disc, they could have had no clue what they were doing

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Sp0tter:

I ordered the -1250 from newegg :)

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[R]:

"the 1250"... ok

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Beirdo:

as opposed to the +1250?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: meant to ask you this last night, but you left before i could

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wagnerrp:

got a list of modifications/ideas for mythfs?

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[R]:

um, if you are gonna do the playback socket, not my forcing a filetransfer

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[R]:

%_=" "

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[R]:

for use with fstab

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wagnerrp:

doing this instead... http://mythtv.org/wiki/Talk:Mythfs.py

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[R]:

and making it so it doenst crap out sometimes

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wagnerrp:

as in you lose access to a recording?

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[R]:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

or when it prints garbage?

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[R]:

like you ls and its blank or somewhat blank

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[R]:

and you ls again and its good

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[R]:

or you ls and its like got red dir entries

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wagnerrp:

ah, the ls issues are gone

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wagnerrp:

it no longer rescans

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wagnerrp:

so it never has to flush the existing

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wagnerrp:

instead, it adds and removes individual recordings as informed by the backend

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[R]:

make it so it works with nfs? hehe

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Beirdo:

just use nfs...

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

works with samba

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[R]:

i use it with samba

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[R]:

but nfs is better

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wagnerrp:

but no good on windows

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[R]:

windows has nfs clients!

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wagnerrp:

yeah... sorta

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

I think I'd trust samba more though

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[R]:

i think its actually a limitation of fuse

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Beirdo:

2010-10–12 20:30:07.576 Started recording:

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[R]:

wagnerrp: it stores the formats in the db?

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Beirdo:

shouldn't that say WHAT it started recording?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: optionally

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wagnerrp:

you can use it as you did before

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wagnerrp:

but if the input format has no '%' characters

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[R]:

wagnerrp: is it per host or global?

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wagnerrp:

it uses it as a name to index a stored format in the settings table

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wagnerrp:

global

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[R]:

i wish i could run mythfs on my embedded device

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[R]:

i think theoretically i could... i saw fuse for my 2.6.12 kernel

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wagnerrp:

2.6.12? thats an old one

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[R]:

yeah, its a propreitary system

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[R]:

wagnerrp: does the python bindings need the mysql bindings? i would think so...

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wagnerrp:

until such point as we no longer use an external mysql server, yes

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[R]:

i should make a project to put fuse and python on my device

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[R]:

i dunno if i have enough space... i have an extra usb stick lying around...

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Beirdo:

jpabq-: the rsRecording stuff... I'm not getting the details of what's recording in my logs

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[R]:

it's illegal in san francisco to have a doggy treadmill

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[R]:

that's lame...

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wagnerrp:

all information needed to access the backend could be had from mythxml

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wagnerrp:

but i dont have it set up that way

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wagnerrp:

anyone want a 1080p test pattern?

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wagnerrp:

found one on one of my blurays

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[R]:

is it just the color bars?

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k-man_:

wagnerrp: is it a "still" image or video?

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wagnerrp:

four still images, 15 seconds each

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wagnerrp:

color bars, some resolution test, black to white gradient, and a grid

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: sure

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Beirdo:

I can always use more test files :)

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wagnerrp:

thats a nice car... what are they doing driving an aston martin on ncis:la?

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Beirdo:

better than crashing one

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Beirdo:

and why are you spoiling it? :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

it hasn't even recorded here yet

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wagnerrp:

its irrelevant to anything (at least as far as i know)

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Beirdo:

not that it matters ;)

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Beirdo:

I'm just bein silly

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Beirdo:

I'm watching last week's Outlaw at the moment

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wagnerrp:

uh oh

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** wagnerrp see trouble brewing on the wiki **

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k-man_:

wagnerrp: what trouble?

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki?title=Frontend_Auto_Lo . . . p;rcid=49436

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k-man_:

whats wrong with it?

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki?title=Frontend_Auto_Lo . . . tion=history

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Beirdo:

yeah, why was that reverted in the first place?

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Beirdo:

I must be missing something

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

is that the guy from the ml?

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wagnerrp:

running without a window manager is bad, and there is no reason to do so

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wagnerrp:

so... sphery removed it from the wiki

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[R]:

i do it... but i know when i break it its my fault

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[R]:

and i don't go pasting my scripts all of the 'net

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[R]:

all over*

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

and luser replaced it... and it got removed, and luser reposted it

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

yeah, no window manager is dumb

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[R]:

i used to run one of the boxes

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Beirdo:

use ratpoison if you are worried about memory

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[R]:

i dont advocate it... but i have no problems

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[R]:

speaking of starting the frontend

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Beirdo:

2.4M resident

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Beirdo:

on my frontend

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[R]:

i put mine in a while loop

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[R]:

does anyonhe else do that?

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Beirdo:

heck no :)

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Beirdo:

not here

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wagnerrp:

ive got inittab for that

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Beirdo:

I run mine in screen

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

and my backend too

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wagnerrp:

that way, if it gets caught in a crash loop, init will kill it

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[R]:

how do you manage that?

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wagnerrp:

too many too fast, and it stops getting spawned

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Beirdo:

man inittab

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[R]:

after x i mean...

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_Auto_Login#inittab

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wagnerrp:

after x?

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[R]:

oh, you have autologin and than do startx

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

and mythfrontend is kept as the controlling process for startx

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Beirdo:

I might do that after rebuilding

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[R]:

and if the frontend crashes x has to restart

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wagnerrp:

so when it dies, it takes down the x server, window manager, and any other X applications that may be open

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iamlindoro:

frickin' wiki edit wars

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[R]:

if my frontend crashes, it just restarts

[04:07:04]

[R]:

and x keeps running

[04:07:07]

iamlindoro:

But I have the bigger guns

[04:07:10]

iamlindoro:

I will win

[04:07:10]

wagnerrp:

and then init brings it all back up

[04:07:19]

wagnerrp:

for great justice

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: hehe, yeah well :)

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iamlindoro:

It's not like it hasn't been explained why it can't be supported

[04:11:26]

iamlindoro:

he can put up a blog post suggesting it if he wants

[04:11:37]

iamlindoro:

but the myth wiki is, for better or worse, official documentation

[04:11:47]

iamlindoro:

and running without a WM isn't something we can call a supported config

[04:12:23]

[R]:

in the past i used to have horrible focus issues when trying to run 2 frontends inside of one x server

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: definitely true

[04:13:47]

iamlindoro:

That's alright

[04:13:50]

iamlindoro:

the war is over

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iamlindoro:

I used one of my big boy toys on the page

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Beirdo:

OK, that jsut sounds wrong

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Beirdo:

Cougars are supposed to have boy toys :)

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wagnerrp:

'rollback' versus 'undo' is hardly a big boy toy

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, protect is a big boy toy

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iamlindoro:

and doesn't show in the log

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wagnerrp:

i dont see that page as protected

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iamlindoro:

bah, didn't take

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Dar1us:

does anyone have experience with the backend appearing to hang (killable) before it opens the status fetching socket?

[04:16:46]

iamlindoro:

there, protected for a week

[04:16:50]

iamlindoro:

guess it does show in the log

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[R]:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/dzGFJHVC

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[R]:

i've been getting this every now and then lately... is it a bad signal?

[04:17:25]

[R]:

QAM

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iamlindoro:

[R], probably not, more likely a driver or hardware issue

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iamlindoro:

dmesg may or may not give you something to go on when something like that happens

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[R]:

but the hardware has been working finne for like a year

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iamlindoro:

everything works fine until it doesn't :)

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Dar1us:

[R]: stop the backend and try tzap by hand

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iamlindoro:

tzap isn't used for QAM

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Dar1us:

[R]: eg tzap -r "ABC2", then mplayer /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0

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Dar1us:

well whatever you need

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Dar1us:

szap or czap I guess?

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Dar1us:

does look like the driver blew you off though

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iamlindoro:

anyway, it's not necessary

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Dar1us:

oh for ${x}zap to work you'll need a channels.conf

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iamlindoro:

That is not going to help him, it's the API reporting the error

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iamlindoro:

using a different tool won't change matters

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Dar1us:

true

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Dar1us:

simpler test case though

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Dar1us:

can you enable debugging in DVB drivers generally?

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[R]:

wtf

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[R]:

i have a whole bunch of blank recordings

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Dar1us:

[R]: probably ot surprising

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Dar1us:

myth tries to record then fails to get data from your DVB card

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Dar1us:

but the DB entry is there and it has a (probably) 0 byte mpeg file associated with it

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[R]:

no

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[R]:

its a full file

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[R]:

thats all black

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[R]:

not a nonexistant file

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Dar1us:

ah wow

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Dar1us:

funky :)

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wagnerrp:

a zero byte file isnt of any type

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Beirdo:

sure it is

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Beirdo:

borked

[04:26:01]

[R]:

something is wrong

[04:26:04]

[R]:

i'm not getting a lock

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[R]:

but that woudln't cause myth to make a blank file

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[R]:

it would fail to tune, so it would fail to record

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[R]:

its got 90% sig strength and a 4.6dB signal

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clever:

only time ive had that happen was when my STB was off

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[R]:

what is the BE number?

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** [R] wonders if cox is screwing with his head **

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sphery:

Beirdo: and of your 2.4MB resident, probably only about 300kB aren't shared libs that are used by X and MythTV, anyway.

[04:27:20]

sphery:

(how's that for a slow reply)

[04:27:33]

Beirdo:

yeah, quite likely so

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sphery:

pmap -d should show you details

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[R]:

i REALLY need to write a script to parse silicon dust's website and compare it to my db

[04:28:15]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/230354#230354 was the last time I saw an updated post of it

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sphery:

showing only 300kB writable/private

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wagnerrp:

well you know... slowness is common with 'mike's

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I like my kind of slow better than the other mike's

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Beirdo:

heheh, me too

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wagnerrp:

christ, ive only told the guy like 4 times mythtv wont work without the nvidia drivers

[04:29:14]

wagnerrp:

he just doesnt believe me

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sphery:

drivers are highly overrated

[04:29:36]

wagnerrp:

but i could... NO

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wagnerrp:

or maybe... NO

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wagnerrp:

my dvd drive has a speaker

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[R]:

wtf

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wagnerrp:

either that, or theres something mechanical that makes noises awfully like beeps

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[R]:

lol

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CyberKnet:

I love the sound of metal on metal in the morning.

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wagnerrp:

its always done this

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wagnerrp:

and ive probably transferred 1.5–2tb over its lifetime

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wagnerrp:

if they were bad noises, something would have happened by now

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Beirdo:

CyberKnet: find me some Aussie shows I can get in the US.. Thanks

[04:35:13]

Beirdo:

load avg down to 4

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CyberKnet:

Beirdo: Yes, let me fire up my Australian TV here...

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CyberKnet:

oh wait.

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CyberKnet:

:)

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Beirdo:

hehe

[04:35:53]

CyberKnet:

Alright. I am willing to admit I am the most inept MythTV user evar.

[04:35:53]

Beirdo:

haven't you found a way yet? or just not that homesick?

[04:36:20]

CyberKnet:

But I cannot get my channels and capture cards set up such that things record in HD first if available, and SD second if not.

[04:36:38]

CyberKnet:

Beirdo: First you have to consider that most Australian TV is just not that good. ;)

[04:36:43]

Beirdo:

delete all cards... add teh HD ones first... then the SD

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CyberKnet:

That I thought I had done.

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[R]:

you also have to connect th inputs in the correct order

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CyberKnet:

Then I started messing with input priorities and channel priorities...

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CyberKnet:

and I'm sure things aren't as they are supposed to be now.

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CyberKnet:

connect inputs in the right order as in ... HD first, then SD?

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Beirdo:

yes

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CyberKnet:

will the IDs of the capture cards and inputs in the database let me know if I connected them in the right order?

[04:39:30]

CyberKnet:

because as entered, the HD cards have lower ids, and the HD inputs have lower ids.

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Beirdo:

if you are gonna look at the db...

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[R]:

FFS

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[R]:

none of my stuff wants to lock

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CyberKnet:

Beirdo: You know I'm going to...

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CyberKnet:

Beirdo: :P

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Beirdo:

the order that matters... is cardinputid in cardinput table

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Beirdo:

which is also in inputgroups

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Beirdo:

err, inputgroup

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Beirdo:

singular

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[R]:

i've found that when recording, it'll pick the first input, but when doing livetv, it'll pick the first tuner

[04:41:32]

[R]:

which works out great for me, cuz thats exatcly what i want

[04:41:54]

Beirdo:

I don't do livetv

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CyberKnet:

Me either.

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[R]:

i rarely do

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[R]:

my friends do

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[R]:

FFS

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CyberKnet:

I don't recall ever creating input groups, but there are two input groups there.

[04:42:14]

Beirdo:

I record so much that I can playback every waking minute athome...

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[R]:

i really hate this crap... bad cables... bad splitters... FFS

[04:42:36]

Beirdo:

!trout [R] FFS language

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** MythLogBot slaps [R] with a FFS language trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

CyberKnet: yeah, if you have multirec, it sets that up for you

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CyberKnet:

multirec?

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[R]:

a language trout

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[R]:

haha

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Beirdo:

yes.

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Beirdo:

i.e. virtual tuners

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Beirdo:

on DVB or ATSC or QAM inputs

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CyberKnet:

Hmmmm...

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CyberKnet:

I guess it must have found some on the QAM inputs or something.

[04:44:19]

CyberKnet:

The inputs are listed with HD first, then non-HD second.

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CyberKnet:

actually ... hd are first and second, sd are third and fourth.

[04:45:15]

CyberKnet:

but that's beside the point.

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Beirdo:

beer is first

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CyberKnet:

how do I trigger the scheduler to recalc?

[04:48:00]

CyberKnet:

aaah backend --resched

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Beirdo:

mythbackend --resched

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[R]:

if i breathe funny on my backend it craps out

[04:48:42]

Beirdo:

so stop breathing on it, perv

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Beirdo:

http://images.google.com/images?&q=tulip% . . . amp;bih=1233

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

WTH

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** Beirdo whacked the right mouse button by accident **

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Beirdo:

stupid putty, stop pasting random crap

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CyberKnet:

If you have to whack something and get caught doing it... the right mouse button is the safe bet.

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clever:

Beirdo: you can change it to paste on middle click, i prefer that since its more like xterm

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Beirdo:

no thanks

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Beirdo:

2-button mouse builtin on my netbook

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clever:

ah, sucks :(

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Beirdo:

not really

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[R]:

there we go

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[R]:

the good ol plug and unplug

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[R]:

i need to stop going near my backend

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[R]:

which is kinda hard... cuz its in my closet

[04:51:06]

Beirdo:

and stop scratching it too

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CyberKnet:

if I update the cardinput table in the database, do I need to restart the backend, or just trigger resched?

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[R]:

(mythbackend is trapped in the closet)

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[R]:

CyberKnet: you really should NOT be fscking around with the database

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Beirdo:

CyberKnet: you probably would be best with a restart

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CyberKnet:

[R]: Why ever would you say that?

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Beirdo:

not sure if it's technically necessary

[04:52:17]

Beirdo:

[R]: pretty sure he's been messing with his DB longer than you've used myth :) and likely learned the hard way in the process too

[04:52:30]

CyberKnet:

[R]: Ignoring the obvious dilemma of trying to run fsck against a database ... there's no problem with updating the database while exercising caution.

[04:52:46]

CyberKnet:

and if fsck wasn't what you meant by fscking ...

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Beirdo:

still a bad plan unless you know what you are doing, and know you shouldn't be doing it

[04:53:00]

CyberKnet:

!trout [R] fscking language

[04:53:00]

** MythLogBot slaps [R] with a fscking language trout on behalf of CyberKnet... **

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[R]:

lol

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CyberKnet:

Beirdo: I know I shouldn't be doing it?

[04:53:33]

Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

you know how dangerous it is, and how easily you can break crap

[04:53:56]

CyberKnet:

Beirdo: There are many tables in Myth I wouldn't directly update ... but changing priority in cardinput I'm not too worried about.

[04:54:10]

Beirdo:

heh, me neither, but I'm not "normal"

[04:54:12]

CyberKnet:

Beirdo: Indeed, crap can break easily.

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CyberKnet:

Beirdo: I remember when I first started using the GL painter and had to edit settings in the DB a few times just to get the frontend to launch :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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CyberKnet:

OK, CSI is apparently *STILL* going to record on the analog tuner.

[04:55:26]

CyberKnet:

I don't get this.

[04:55:33]

Beirdo:

there's likely a good reason

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Criggie:

CyberKnet: bah – its crap anyway

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CyberKnet:

HD1 is in use at the time, but HD2 is free.

[04:55:45]

CyberKnet:

Criggie: To each their own.

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Criggie:

:)

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Beirdo:

you don't have HD1 and HD2 in an input group, do you?

[04:56:05]

CyberKnet:

Criggie: I promise not to make fun of your Furry Party Extreme Uncovered

[04:56:18]

Beirdo:

and are they separate encoders in reality?

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CyberKnet:

Beirdo: I don't think so – they are both used at the same time in other cases.

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CyberKnet:

Beirdo: yeah, it's a whatchamacallit ...

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Criggie:

CyberKnet: ...under our clothes.... we're *all* naked.

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CyberKnet:

Beirdo: I realize that helped you nil

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Beirdo:

OK, is something else recording on HD2 half an hour later or something?

[04:57:01]

CyberKnet:

Beirdo: saa7164

[04:57:14]

Beirdo:

HVR-2250?

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Criggie:

hard pad vs soft pad ?

[04:57:31]

CyberKnet:

Beirdo: Yes.

[04:57:34]

Beirdo:

I love mine :)

[04:57:41]

CyberKnet:

sorry, couldn't recall the HVR # :)

[04:57:44]

kormoc:

Criggie, not if one is a never-nude

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CyberKnet:

Beirdo: HD2 is not used at all that day

[04:57:53]

Beirdo:

got ATSC and 2*s-video connected

[04:58:46]

Beirdo:

there was probably something else it was going to record on HD2, but then got punted after the first fitting pass

[04:58:50]

Beirdo:

or something like that

[04:59:00]

Beirdo:

the scheduler is pretty... complex crap

[04:59:24]

CyberKnet:

thoughts on how to fix this?

[04:59:33]

Beirdo:

give up?

[04:59:47]

CyberKnet:

really rather not

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CyberKnet:

set an override each week?

[05:00:05]

CyberKnet:

I mean, I'd really rather not do that either.

[05:00:27]

sphery:

order your inputs properly and don't use input priorities

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sphery:

since input priority says what to record as much as it says where to record

[05:00:43]

Beirdo:

figure out what punting it every week

[05:00:56]

Beirdo:

if it isn't what sphery's saying

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CyberKnet:

sphery: I got rid of input priorities

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Beirdo:

blargh

[05:01:27]

CyberKnet:

sphery: they're all at 0 now.

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sphery:

and are ordered properly

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Beirdo:

must remember to stop playback before bouncing the backend

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CyberKnet:

the two HD inputs first, the two SD inputs second.

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sphery:

no channel priorities?

[05:02:58]

CyberKnet:

hmmm... likely I have channel priorities for the HD channels...

[05:03:04]

CyberKnet:

zero them out?

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Beirdo:

jpabq-: you in?

[05:04:04]

sphery:

q iamlindoro

[05:04:10]

sphery:

heh

[05:04:11]

Beirdo:

hehe

[05:04:23]

CyberKnet:

sphery: The hd channels currently had recpriority=1, the sd channels have recpriority=0

[05:04:37]

Beirdo:

make em all 0, try again

[05:04:45]

sphery:

yeah

[05:05:05]

CyberKnet:

bounce the backend again?

[05:05:11]

sphery:

basically, something in your "I have the power to change things" configuration is telling it to do what it's doing

[05:05:18]

Beirdo:

like a basketball

[05:05:31]

sphery:

when if you set it up without all these priorities, it would likely just do the right thing

[05:05:57]

CyberKnet:

sphery: The only power I want to really control is "program X" > "program Y" ... the rest was just an attempt to do what I thought I was observing it not do.

[05:06:02]

sphery:

IMHO, rule priorities are good, all others are bad--and all others are just plain evil if you don't full read /and/ understand all of section 12 of the HOWTO

[05:06:17]

sphery:

program X > program Y is rule priorities

[05:06:34]

CyberKnet:

Beirdo: what exactly happened when you bounced your backend without stopping the frontend?

[05:06:48]

CyberKnet:

Beirdo: trying to determin if bouncing this will result in a slap from the wife ;)

[05:06:50]

Beirdo:

the playback froze, duh

[05:06:56]

sphery:

and, yeah, that's usually how people end up with the rest... trying to fix things they think aren't working right

[05:07:06]

CyberKnet:

sphery: sorry :|

[05:07:07]

Beirdo:

tell her to save a bookmark, go to the menu for a second

[05:07:17]

Beirdo:

bounce the backend, then restart the playback :)

[05:07:35]

Beirdo:

i.e. to the recording list

[05:07:47]

Beirdo:

the socket will fail :)

[05:07:49]

CyberKnet:

Yeah

[05:08:08]

CyberKnet:

That's what I did. If it was going to be invisible to her, then no harm to just bounce... but if not, some communication was in order.

[05:08:18]

Beirdo:

yup

[05:08:27]

Beirdo:

otherwise projectiles might happen

[05:08:38]

Beirdo:

remote to the head!

[05:08:41]

CyberKnet:

hah

[05:08:49]

CyberKnet:

I love MyMote

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sphery:

I'm just saying that if you go back to the simple config (best bet if you've ever set any priorities other than rule priorities is the delete all video sources and delete all capture cards approach to clearing out everything), then look closely at (or have someone else look closely at) the scheduling decisions it's making, you can typically make it do what you like without the rest of the priorites

[05:09:06]

CyberKnet:

sphery: I'm trying to get there.

[05:09:23]

sphery:

if nothing else, though, you shouldn't use positive priorities on the HDTV channels, but should use negative priorities on the SDTV channels

[05:09:34]

sphery:

(and, yes, there is a small difference in the effect/meaning)

[05:09:40]

CyberKnet:

sphery: I am all for not using priorities on the card inputs and the channels

[05:09:45]

Beirdo:

the only priorities I have are like a -1 recording rule prio on shows I want to lose in conflicts I get

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sphery:

and, yeah, that's ideal

[05:10:25]

sphery:

but if you have multiple inputs, some of the other priorities may be useful, depending on your configuration

[05:10:35]

sphery:

s/multiple inputs/multiple video sources/

[05:10:44]

sphery:

it's getting way too late for me to try to think :)

[05:10:45]

Beirdo:

hehe

[05:10:50]

CyberKnet:

Yeah, I have different sources for my hd/sd

[05:10:52]

Beirdo:

I have multiple...

[05:10:55]

sphery:

right

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Beirdo:

I want OTA first

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sphery:

so it's possible that you may use some

[05:11:08]

CyberKnet:

this still is punting CSI to SD.

[05:11:12]

sphery:

but ideally you won't need any

[05:11:17]

Beirdo:

then DirecTV HD, then DirecTV SD

[05:11:32]

sphery:

CyberKnet: wanna pastein a mythbackend --printsched

[05:11:55]

CyberKnet:

sphery: I would be delighted – let me capture it.

[05:11:56]

sphery:

Beirdo: yeah, and with proper ordering of inputs, it should usually do that

[05:12:03]

Beirdo:

and it does :)

[05:12:10]

CyberKnet:

Beirdo: showoff :P

[05:12:16]

sphery:

(and definitely will if you don't enable reschedule higher priorities)

[05:12:38]

Beirdo:

and the ONE OTA I don't want as it keeps failing... I set invisible on the OTA lineup

[05:13:02]

Beirdo:

and so it comes via DirecTV :)

[05:13:16]

sphery:

Beirdo: though I heard a rumor that if you clear the OTA listings data when it's trying to schedule the Simpsons, it may record it off the DirectTV

[05:13:24]

Beirdo:

hehe

[05:13:28]

Beirdo:

shuddup :)

[05:13:37]

sphery:

:)

[05:13:38]

Beirdo:

that was insanely bad timing

[05:13:45]

sphery:

yeah

[05:13:49]

sphery:

at least you still got it

[05:13:50]

Beirdo:

and highlights a wee issue we have with filldb

[05:14:03]

sphery:

yeah, that's the big issue with the --dd-grab-all

[05:14:04]

Beirdo:

if you run it at exactly the wrong time...

[05:14:08]

sphery:

it's a 0.25 issue :)

[05:14:11]

Beirdo:

yup

[05:14:13]

Beirdo:

heh

[05:14:28]

CyberKnet:

printsched: http://www.pastebin.ca/1960671

[05:14:31]

sphery:

without --dd-grab-all, it doesn't clear today's listings

[05:14:45]

sphery:

which day's CSI?

[05:15:29]

** Beirdo hopes some of these are for the kids :) **

[05:15:57]

CyberKnet:

17th

[05:16:03]

CyberKnet:

at 9:00pm

[05:16:09]

CyberKnet:

Beirdo: Kids, and Wife.

[05:16:14]

CyberKnet:

Beirdo: Little there is mine.

[05:16:30]

sphery:

spike plays a lot of csi reruns

[05:16:39]

CyberKnet:

sphery: Yep.

[05:17:17]

sphery:

regular csi?

[05:17:17]

CyberKnet:

sphery: I'll get you the exact one if I can

[05:17:20]

sphery:

or NY or ?

[05:17:25]

sphery:

yeah, that would be easiest

[05:17:57]

CyberKnet:

line 295

[05:18:28]

sphery:

CSI: Miami – "See No Evil"

[05:18:34]

CyberKnet:

Yes

[05:18:37]

sphery:

yeah, was going to say, that's the only csi I see recording that day

[05:19:13]

CyberKnet:

It is also showing on 706 at the same time

[05:19:27]

Beirdo:

hehe

[05:19:40]

Beirdo:

my --printsched... 1911 lines

[05:19:45]

Beirdo:

ugh

[05:19:49]

sphery:

CSI: Miami – "See No Evil" 6 KOTV 17 21:00–22:00 1 5 4 C 5 5

[05:19:49]

sphery:

CSI: Miami – "See No Evil" 706 KOTV HD 17 21:00–22:00 2 0 0 C E 0

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sphery:

says that the 6 showing has total priority of 5 and the 706 showing has total priority 0

[05:20:12]

Beirdo:

where's that 5 from?

[05:20:20]

sphery:

so the 6 wins

[05:20:48]

sphery:

that means that something is affecting the priority of the 6 showing positively or the prio of the 706 negatively

[05:21:35]

CyberKnet:

If capturecards, channels and cardinput have priority=0, where else would I look for priority?

[05:22:12]

Beirdo:

recording rules... especially if you have two for CSI?

[05:22:23]

sphery:

yeah, that sounds quite possible

[05:22:29]

sphery:

both are showing as "this channel" rules

[05:22:44]

sphery:

and since one has callsign KOTV and the other KOTV HD, that means 2 rules

[05:22:54]

Beirdo:

yah, you likely want to fix taht

[05:23:08]

CyberKnet:

oooooh

[05:23:14]

CyberKnet:

geniu

[05:23:15]

CyberKnet:

s

[05:23:31]

sphery:

not bad sleuthing for 1:22 am... (though Beirdo's 10:22pm input was very helpful)

[05:23:39]

Beirdo:

heeh

[05:24:01]

Beirdo:

I'm just hitting my stride (danged midnight maintenence)

[05:24:03]

sphery:

I missed the HD in the callsign until you said the 2 channel thing

[05:24:06]

sphery:

er, 2 rule

[05:24:33]

Beirdo:

I missed the C part :)

[05:24:35]

CyberKnet:

two rules because we don't want from all channels because of repeats ... means priority must be exactly the same in both rules

[05:24:59]

CyberKnet:

would be nice if channel could be an IN () list instead of a single ;)

[05:25:01]

sphery:

unless you want to lower the priority on the SDTV one so the HDTV one will win out if possible

[05:25:02]

Beirdo:

or if you want the HD to win... +1 to the HD rather than +5 to the SD

[05:25:10]

sphery:

CyberKnet: it can... Power Rules!

[05:25:18]

CyberKnet:

it can be an in list?

[05:25:24]

sphery:

I liked Pink best

[05:25:37]

Beirdo:

hehe

[05:25:38]

sphery:

a Power Rule is a rule where you provide the SQL

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CyberKnet:

hmmmm

[05:26:36]

CyberKnet:

something to consider as I move forward and find all instances where priority has just hosed me.

[05:26:56]

sphery:

Match an exact title clause, then add Match related callsigns with 'KOTV%'

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CyberKnet:

and in future I think I will go with what you guys were saying ... negative priorities to downshift shows that are unimportant

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CyberKnet:

rather than positive priorities to upshift important shows.

[05:27:19]

sphery:

or change it to channel.callsign IN ('KOTV', 'KOTV HD')

[05:27:20]

sphery:

or ...

[05:27:35]

sphery:

positive priorities for rules are fine

[05:27:38]

Beirdo:

I think I have a +1 on Weeds

[05:27:47]

sphery:

it's just that inputs and channels should almost always use negative

[05:27:47]

Beirdo:

but -1 on Top Gear, Scrubs

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[R]:

why the scrubs hate

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CyberKnet:

bingo. CSI now recording on HD

[05:28:23]

Beirdo:

because they are all reruns and I don't want Scrubs taking precedence over new shows

[05:28:26]

Beirdo:

duh

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CyberKnet:

I'm going to have to overhaul these recording rules, but that's a chore for another night.

[05:29:03]

sphery:

Yeah, I have both positive (for shows I like) and negative (for shows that I'm recording, but don't know if I'll watch) for rules

[05:29:11]

sphery:

My max positive is probably a 5

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Beirdo:

I have very few conflicts, but I get a few

[05:29:25]

sphery:

my min negative is -90-something

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sphery:

(for movies, I do a Find One and give it a very low priority, generally chosen in ranges for how interested I am--so basically movies go from -10 to -95ish)

[05:30:30]

Beirdo:

heh

[05:30:37]

sphery:

i.e. movie priorities aren't exact for me since they're all just filler

[05:30:38]

CyberKnet:

ok sphery... line 347 and 348 both are recording

[05:30:53]

Beirdo:

yeah, gotcha.

[05:31:21]

CyberKnet:

I think because they both have the generic title, no detailed description

[05:31:31]

Beirdo:

hehe

[05:31:40]

Beirdo:

so you are gonna get double the crap for your money

[05:31:59]

CyberKnet:

no way around it easily?

[05:31:59]

Beirdo:

it likely will get description soon

[05:32:16]

CyberKnet:

hmmm

[05:32:18]

Beirdo:

if you use --dd-get-all, it probably will be fixed even now

[05:32:35]

Beirdo:

(in your mythfilldatabase commandline in setup)

[05:32:45]

sphery:

Actually, it's still generic

[05:32:54]

Beirdo:

K, then soon :)

[05:32:54]

CyberKnet:

I see... placeholder entry until the description is known (as it is a "live" show and the description can't be known for two weeks out)

[05:33:09]

Beirdo:

"live" my butt

[05:33:19]

sphery:

"in progress" show?

[05:33:24]

Beirdo:

anyways :)

[05:33:30]

sphery:

in progress season at least

[05:33:41]

Beirdo:

yeah

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sphery:

but, yeah, once they update it to a real show, it should do the right thing

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CyberKnet:

ok. well, I'll let this play out for a few weeks and see how it goes.

[05:34:02]

CyberKnet:

thanks for the help sphery and Beirdo.

[05:34:05]

CyberKnet:

much appreciated.

[05:34:07]

Beirdo:

keep your eagle eye on it

[05:34:12]

CyberKnet:

Beer on me if you're ever in Tulsa.

[05:34:12]

Beirdo:

and keep on tweaking :)

[05:34:21]

Beirdo:

come to Seattle

[05:34:22]

Beirdo:

heh

[05:34:28]

CyberKnet:

Beirdo: lol.

[05:34:33]

Beirdo:

we'll find ya beer

[05:34:48]

sphery:

I'd be more interested in meeting you in Seattle to have a beer with you and Beirdo

[05:34:54]

CyberKnet:

except I don't drink beer... (sacrilege!)

[05:34:58]

Beirdo:

heh.

[05:35:08]

Beirdo:

We can get you Fosters... it's not really beer anyways

[05:35:11]

sphery:

though that may just be me being prejudiced since I haven't been to Tulsa before

[05:35:11]

Beirdo:

heh

[05:35:18]

Beirdo:

me neither.

[05:35:23]

Beirdo:

maybe sometime

[05:35:26]

CyberKnet:

You haven't missed *too* much...

[05:35:30]

sphery:

heh

[05:35:35]

CyberKnet:

it's a nice place to live, but I can't see why anyone would visit :)

[05:35:50]

sphery:

I'm guess Tulsa's OK

[05:35:56]

CyberKnet:

lol

[05:36:02]

** Beirdo looks out the window at the night city skyline :) **

[05:36:08]

CyberKnet:

it's OK.

[05:36:10]

sphery:

yeah Seattle is pretty

[05:36:16]

CyberKnet:

Sleepless...

[05:36:19]

** CyberKnet ducks **

[05:36:19]

sphery:

FL is very flat and boring

[05:36:20]

Beirdo:

I like it here

[05:36:27]

sphery:

heh, that explains Beirdo's late nights

[05:36:35]

Beirdo:

hehe

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CyberKnet:

ok. I have to get to bed. thanks again :)

[05:36:44]

sphery:

imagine how much Tom Hanks could have done for MythTV if he wasn't wasting his time with Meg Ryan

[05:36:46]

Beirdo:

I think it's more the coffee.

[05:36:52]

Beirdo:

hehe

[05:36:54]

CyberKnet:

lol

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sphery:

later

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Beirdo:

she'd probably be more fun sometimes

[05:37:08]

sphery:

heh, yeah

[05:37:08]

Beirdo:

heh

[05:37:15]

Beirdo:

so we had "no.no.cox"

[05:37:21]

Beirdo:

and now "ok.ok.cox"

[05:37:23]

Beirdo:

heheh

[05:37:33]

sphery:

what's that from

[05:37:38]

sphery:

saw you mention it the other day

[05:37:47]

Beirdo:

the hostname in the quit line

[05:37:49]

sphery:

oh, that's his dhcp hostname stuff

[05:37:50]

sphery:

got it

[05:38:10]

Beirdo:

the prude subdomain... and the slut subdomain

[05:38:10]

sphery:

told you it's late--I've very mike tonigh

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sphery:

(slow)

[05:38:18]

sphery:

heh

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[R]:

rofl

[05:39:12]

Beirdo:

go get some sleep, man

[05:39:15]

[R]:

maybe he finally shutup?

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Beirdo:

not bloody likely

[05:40:57]

[R]:

lol

[05:42:24]

wagnerrp:

here we go.. troy

[05:42:38]

wagnerrp:

several GB of bonus features... AND the movie itself is 25GB

[05:42:53]

wagnerrp:

why cant they all be like that

[05:44:12]

Beirdo:

because then you'd be happy

[05:44:17]

Beirdo:

can't have that

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wagnerrp:

if they did that, then the evil robots would win?

[05:45:21]

[R]:

wagnerrp: theres a website that tells you waht the bitrates are

[05:45:33]

[R]:

so you won't be disapointed

[05:45:59]

kormoc:

I'd be happy with a 1 bit per second movie if the story line was good

[05:46:07]

Beirdo:

hehe

[05:46:23]

wagnerrp:

nah... would be too slow

[05:46:25]

kormoc:

. ... . .... ... ... .. .. .. .. . ....... .. .. .......... .. . .. . . .

[05:46:34]

kormoc:

woah

[05:46:36]

[R]:

kormoc: is that a failed attempt at morse code?

[05:46:38]

Beirdo:

maybe 30bit/s

[05:47:00]

Beirdo:

that way you can get a wee bit of audio with your .

[05:47:01]

wagnerrp:

the next chapter should be done by the end of the month

[05:47:04]

kormoc:

[R], it's my masterpiece intended to be played at one bit per second.

[05:47:08]

[R]:

kormoc: haha

[05:47:26]

kormoc:

I expect the academy award any day now

[05:47:37]

Beirdo:

in a year, when the movie finishes

[05:47:40]

kormoc:

and I was under my 300 million budget by 11 cents!

[05:47:42]

[R]:

kormoc: what's it called?

[05:47:48]

kormoc:

.

[05:47:59]

[R]:

haha

[05:48:19]

[R]:

is that like prince's squigly thing?

[05:48:22]

[R]:

theres no real name

[05:48:51]

kormoc:

it's a real name, just so abstract none of you carbon brains can understand it!

[05:48:57]

[R]:

ROFL

[05:49:34]

Beirdo:

hehe

[05:50:16]

[R]:

i really wish there was a pci component capture device

[05:50:36]

[R]:

or maybe pcix1

[05:51:22]

Beirdo:

what the heck is pcix1?

[05:51:27]

wagnerrp:

http://www.avermedia-usa.com/AVerTV/Product/P . . . tab=APDriver

[05:51:42]

[R]:

i dont know how the cool kids abbreviate it

[05:51:45]

[R]:

pci express 1x

[05:51:52]

Beirdo:

pcie 1x

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kormoc:

[R], pcix is 64 bit pci slots

[05:52:18]

[R]:

wagnerrp: does that work in linux?

[05:52:49]

wagnerrp:

http://www.matrox.com/video/en/products/pc/rtx2/

[05:52:53]

Beirdo:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_usblive2.html

[05:53:01]

Beirdo:

mmm :)

[05:53:05]

[R]:

thats not compoennt!

[05:53:15]

wagnerrp:

its component audio!

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[R]:

wagnerrp: that looks hella exprensive

[05:53:37]

Beirdo:

but it's cute

[05:53:50]

[R]:

i saw a doggie in a bicycle basket this morning

[05:53:57]

[R]:

he had the most bewildered look on his face

[05:54:09]

wagnerrp:

wasnt one of the linuxtv guys talking about a pcie version of the hdpvr theyre developing?

[05:55:03]

Beirdo:

yeah

[05:55:24]

Beirdo:

wonder when that will be available

[05:57:10]

[R]:

but i spent 175 on the hdpvr

[05:57:13]

[R]:

even if its a flaky piece of crap

[05:57:16]

[R]:

what would i do with it?

[05:57:35]

Beirdo:

it's not a flaky piece of crap if treated well

[05:58:27]

[R]:

i don't abuse it

[05:58:33]

[R]:

i give it tender loving care

[05:59:06]

wagnerrp:

do you caress it?

[05:59:11]

wagnerrp:

do you rub lotion on its plastic?

[05:59:16]

[R]:

i wisper sweet nothing into its ports

[05:59:23]

[R]:

nothings*

[05:59:34]

wagnerrp:

do you massage it after a long hard night of recording?

[05:59:40]

[R]:

ROFL

[06:00:03]

Beirdo:

nah, he rides it hard, then expects breakfast in bed

[06:00:21]

[R]:

HAHA

[06:00:41]

[R]:

these abc family shows are so ridiculous

[06:01:14]

wagnerrp:

is that the cable one or the broadcast one?

[06:01:18]

[R]:

cable

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wagnerrp:

i dont believe i record anything from there

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[R]:

i watch secret life of the american teenager and melissa & joey

[06:03:10]

Beirdo:

ooooook

[06:03:20]

Beirdo:

SO not my style

[06:03:47]

wagnerrp:

ive seen those made fun of on the soup

[06:04:00]

[R]:

lol

[06:04:07]

[R]:

thats a pretty good show, i should watch it

[06:07:32]

[R]:

why do they put dogs to sleep when they attack

[06:11:33]

Beirdo:

because they aren't allowed to kill the idiot owners

[06:11:46]

wagnerrp:

they could take the dogs to the farm

[06:11:59]

wagnerrp:

let them frolic out in the tall grass with the livestock

[06:12:50]

[R]:

lol

[06:14:17]

[R]:

is it hamster or hampster?

[06:14:25]

wagnerrp:

the first

[06:14:30]

wagnerrp:

or maybe the second

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[R]:

i always though it was hampster

[06:14:36]

[R]:

but its probably wrong

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[R]:

xchat is underlining it

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Beirdo:

hamster

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Beirdo:

really don't wanna know WHY you are asking

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[R]:

oh, watching animal cops

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[R]:

and there was a dead one

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Beirdo:

heh

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[R]:

2 dead hamsters and all he gets is a citation!?

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[R]:

that's MURDER

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** kormoc watches [R] eat a ham sandwich **

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Beirdo:

hehe

[06:27:24]

wagnerrp:

s/murder/pest control/

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[R]:

kormoc: i don't eat piggies

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Beirdo:

guinea pigs are a delicacy in some countries

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wagnerrp:

[R]: yeah, only hasenpfeffer for you

[06:28:21]

[R]:

wagnerrp: i know thats german... but i dont know what it is

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Beirdo:

!url lmgtfy hasenpfeffer

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MythLogBot:

lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=hasenpfeffer

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[R]:

lol

[06:28:57]

** wagnerrp supposes [R] never watched the old merry melodies cartoons as a child **

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[R]:

rabbit!?

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kormoc:

Yummy

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[R]:

i don't eat rabbits either

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wagnerrp:

did someone kick mike? or did he just go to sleep?

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[R]:

they are so cute and fluffy

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Beirdo:

pfft

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wagnerrp:

[R]: yeah, until they tear your throat out

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Beirdo:

so are lambs, and they taste good too

[06:30:39]

[R]:

lol

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[R]:

Beirdo: thats just a sheep... nothing wrong iwht that

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kormoc:

[R], so cute, http://entimg.s-msn.com/i/parents_teens/DonnieDarko_150x208.jpg

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[R]:

lol

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kormoc:

Why are you wearing that man suit?

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wagnerrp:

i didnt get that movie

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Beirdo:

sorry, I don't rank the suitability of animals for eating based on cuteness

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kormoc:

I *love* that movie

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Beirdo:

I use yumminess

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, you might want to watch the director's cut sometime. They sorta give away a lot more

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kormoc:

I didn't care for it as it kinda kills some of the joy of the unknown, but might be better for you

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wagnerrp:

oh, i understood what was going on

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[R]:

i hated that movie

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[R]:

horrible trash

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wagnerrp:

it just... i never really got into it

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Beirdo:

horrible trash... says the adult watching teeny girl shows

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wagnerrp:

:P

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[R]:

Beirdo: i'm a big kid!

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Beirdo:

ooook

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kormoc:

[R], too deep eh?

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[R]:

kormoc: ?

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

just poking

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kormoc:

Cellar Door

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[R]:

he caught a racoon

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wagnerrp:

anyone ever used ambilight?

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[R]:

awww

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[R]:

the dog doesn't like the muzzle

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wagnerrp:

is this any different from our current behavior?

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wagnerrp:

"Provide for 'One Touch or Single Click' Recording. Maybe a predefined hot spot on the screen or a keystroke combo maybe for instantaneous recording of anything currently playing on hte screen. It's a nice feature with the Hauppauge Software. "

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wagnerrp:

seems to me thats exactly what the record button does

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kormoc:

yup

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sphery:

and you can even toggle recording rule type by hitting R additional times

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Beirdo:

sphery: you're insane, it's almost 3am :)

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wagnerrp:

?

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kormoc:

The Dean never sleeps, just goes into standby

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Beirdo:

I guess I should turn on my work laptop.

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sphery:

heh, I should be asleep

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sphery:

Trying to figure out why my dev backend won't run

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Beirdo:

feed it some exlax

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sphery:

the empty database should have been a give away

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

but I can't sleep when markk is trying to solve a problem that doesn't even affect him, if there's a chance I might be able to repro it

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justinh:

sphery: cheers for the tip the other day. not had any failed recordings yet.. but then there's nothing in my log about retries either

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sphery:

justinh: so all you did was update to newer 0.23-fixes or newer trunk?

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sphery:

or did you update your drivers/v4l/kernel?

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justinh:

newer -fixes

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justinh:

see if that does anything. I'd rather not mess with drivers if I can help it

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sphery:

cool

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justinh:

I mean I'd love to be able to bottom it out completely but there are limits to what I can safely do

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sphery:

well, if you have it working, there's no need to keep digging farther

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sphery:

(and risk breaking it)

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justinh:

messing with drivers is simple to fix but the problem is the missed recordings are pretty few & far between

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sphery:

you compiled the one you're running, now, right?

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justinh:

yeah

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sphery:

did you compile the one before that?

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sphery:

or was it a package?

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

compiled

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sphery:

hmmm... weird

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justinh:

it was quite a while ago

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justinh:

25xxx ish

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justinh:

what's weird about that anyway? it's already kinda weird cos not many people are seeing it

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justinh:

definitely warrants the ML survey though I think. might bring more out of the woodwork

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justinh:

and if it's across a variety of kernel/module revisions we might be able to pin it down.. ever the optimist

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justinh:

oh FFS.. Channel One to close & be replaced by Challenge

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justinh:

I know the new 'V' is reckoned to be not the best ever but blimey, replacing the channel due to show it with repeats of ancient gameshows? Oh brother

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justinh:

Murdoch is a ducking aunt & he shouldn't be allowed to tinker with FTA services.. or own any for that matter

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Beirdo:

OK, now it's time for bed

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gbee:

justinh: really? I can't say I'm too surprised, I predicated it from day one and I also said that Chuck series 4 would never be seen FTA

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gbee:

I hate to be right in this instance :/

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justinh:

gbee: yeah dunno what date it goes though

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justinh:

Sky are turning freeview to mush :-(

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justinh:

then again other than Chuck I dunno what was worth watching on Channel One

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justinh:

or Virgin 1 for that matter

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justinh:

I think TV these days is pretty much like it used to be. there are only about 3 channels with shows I want to watch ;-)

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gbee:

I'm currently only recording V and Criminal Minds from Virgin 1/Channel One, I can live without both

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justinh:

as for your being right.. we all suspected it'd be the case but *hoped* it wouldn't happen

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justinh:

takeshi's castle is okay.. but there are only so many old gameshow reruns you can take

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gbee:

oh, I'm also recording a new series – Leverage, but it's crap

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justinh:

oh wait that's on Dave or something,Takeshi

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clever:

my IR receiver is acting as a usb keyboard+mouse, how would i properly configure lirc to use it?

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justinh:

looked into getting Sky earlier. BT still want £127 for installing a new line.. which isn't necessarily meaning a new wire, just an engineer visit – and the best ADSL speed I can get is 9Mbps according to them

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gbee:

'best' will be nowhere near actual

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justinh:

so er NO. I won't be giving in. I wouldn't mind if VM started putting more stuff on demand. 50p an episode... come on

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justinh:

yeah that's what I figure

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justinh:

I'm currently paying less for the lowest speed VM offer – which IS actually what they say it is most of the time

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justinh:

they're doubling the upload pipe soon, too. that'll be nice for uploading photos

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gbee:

I might end up forking out for an HD-PVR or similar and recording from the STB

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gbee:

justinh: yeah, the 1Mb/s upload will be a decent improvement

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justinh:

there's really still not enough HD content around to pique my interest yet

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gbee:

justinh: well the STB isn't HD yet, I'd just go with the HD-PVR because it's USB, which is great because I'm out of slots, and it's future proof

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gbee:

but then again, if I went with the HD-PVR, I might just spend the £50 for the HD STB, no reason not to

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justinh:

isn't the HD box also their own PVR?

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gbee:

I'm already sold on HD just for the BBC Nature/Science department stuff, Planet Earth, Life, Lost Land of the ****, Natual World, Wonders of the Solar System etc

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gbee:

justinh: nah, they've been doing a standalone HD box for months now

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justinh:

not holding my breath but it'll be nice if they go with IPTV we could use. *Then* I'd pay for much more TV

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justinh:

or just total on-demand of every show – or nigh on every show

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gbee:

one off cost of £50, no additional rental, access to a handful of channels and the on-demand stuff

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justinh:

you just know the UI is gonna suck on that box though

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justinh:

their on-demand player thingy isn't bad but... they could do much better

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gbee:

chances are they'll eventually drop that £50 charge, it's probably just there to cover the initial costs of developing/manufacturing the new STB

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gbee:

http://shop.virginmedia.com/digital-tv/about-virgin-tv/hdtv.html

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justinh:

yeh they're heavily subsidised even at £50

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justinh:

ruh? XL package is just £23 a month now?

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gbee:

justinh: plus £12 for the required phone line

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justinh:

yeah well we already have that

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gbee:

still _way_ cheaper than Sky's top tier

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gbee:

actually it's barely more expensive than their lowest tier which was still ~£19 last time I checked*

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gbee:

* which could have been months/years

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justinh:

£1.99 for the L tier

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justinh:

£11.99 even

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justinh:

£6.99 for the M tier

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justinh:

oops £6.50

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justinh:

whoah. £6.50 & they've got living etc?

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justinh:

but then I'd have to go back to analogue capture.. and er... IR blaster. Bleugh

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gbee:

http://shop.virginmedia.com/digital-tv/channels.html

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forrest:

Hi, I need to grab xmltv for a channel that is not currently available in my grabber (kazer.org)

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justinh:

they'd have me from the get-go if on that tier you could get shows from those channels on-demand

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justinh:

forrest: I think you're kinda stumped then

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forrest:

where can I find a schema for the xmltv file?

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justinh:

er xmltv.org

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forrest:

I know the tv station site and can grab program myself (hopefully)

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justinh:

great, if their T&Cs allow scraping

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justinh:

and it'll only work if the listings stay in that format...

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forrest:

ah cool, I overlooked xmltv.org

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forrest:

http://wiki.xmltv.org/index.php/XMLTVFormat

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justinh:

wonder what went on about schedulesdirect looking into opening up into Europe

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justinh:

heh of the HD movies VM have as premieres I've heard of about 2 of em

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justinh:

Four Lions & Robin Hood. Of those I'd like to see Four Lions

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justinh:

they say that on the XL package you get loads of 'other' stuff on demand normally only shown on linear channels. not much detail about what they mean by 'loads' although Chuck is mentioned

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k-man_:

how can i make the font slightly smaller in the Watch Recordings screen?

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justinh:

edit the theme

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justinh:

or use a better theme

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k-man_:

justinh: there is no other way?

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justinh:

that's all assuming you've got the proper font installed

[10:04:40]

k-man_:

ah.... how do i tell if the proper font is installed?

[10:04:52]

justinh:

there's a global font scaling setting in the frontend settings pages AFAIK. no idea if it still works though

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k-man_:

ok, i'll leave it alone

[10:05:43]

justinh:

seeing text cut off or something?

[10:05:59]

k-man_:

yeah

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k-man_:

in mythcenter 4:3 theme

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k-man_:

which i understand is about the least popular theme

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justinh:

least popular among opinionated types. we're confused as to why anybody likes it at all

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k-man_:

i just use it as i'm still on a crt tv

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justinh:

and no please don't say because it looks like Media Center..because it doesn't, really

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justinh:

I use a CRT TV too

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k-man_:

and its pretty much the only option for 4:3

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justinh:

yeah well us myopic CRT set owners are being weedled out '-)

[10:08:02]

k-man_:

justinh: what theme do you use?

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justinh:

I use my own that I'm currently working on. And HATE. With a vengeance

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k-man_:

hmm...

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k-man_:

you hate your own theme?

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justinh:

yes

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justinh:

made a rod for my own back with that one

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k-man_:

heh

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justinh:

I hate everything I do eventually. get sick of the sight of it

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justinh:

so you still on 4:3 TV?

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justinh:

do you not find the black bars annoying? I think just about everything these days is widescreen isn't it?

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justinh:

apart from <00s reruns I mean

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k-man_:

i bought this giant old sony CRT tv

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k-man_:

its so big, that despite the black bars, the image is still quite large

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k-man_:

i'd like to upgrade to a new LCD or something but funds are too tight at the moment

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k-man_:

and besides, they are falling in price pretty rappidly

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k-man_:

i got the tv a few years ago for $120

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justinh:

my inlaws spent a massive amount of cash on a highish end sony LCD. It's AWFUL

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k-man_:

nearly gave me a hernia moving it – it weighs 80kg

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justinh:

!

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k-man_:

justinh: what's aweful about it?

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justinh:

the picture

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k-man_:

oh... that's interesting to hear

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justinh:

no amount of settings tweaks makes it look nice

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k-man_:

i was lookingat the bravia hx800, which looks ok to me

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justinh:

seems there's no way to turn off the stupid motion predicting interference thingy

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k-man_:

is that motion thing no good?

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justinh:

so scenes where somebody's face is in mid closeup & they move or the camera pans... whoah

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justinh:

no, it's NO good

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k-man_:

its hard to tell with the TVs in the shop because they just show special show reels

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justinh:

well – it's ok most of the time – til something catches it out.. and then it's blindingly obvious & just looks WRONG

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justinh:

like in real life when you look away from a person you don't see their nose move but their cheeks lag behind slightly. Unless you're on drugs

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justinh:

apart from that it took me about an hour to get the contrast & colour to a level which wasn't detail burning & psychedelic

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k-man_:

hmmm

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justinh:

stupid consumers. going for thin TVs they never actually really needed at the expense of picture Q

[10:21:22]

justinh:

other than those points it IS still the best LCD I've ever seen

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justinh:

though my Dad's 32" never-heard-of-before-brand-el-cheap-ass model he bought isn't bad at all. when it's not in weird zoomy mode where the outside of the screen is stretched

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justinh:

you really notice that on a news channel with a ticker. it's funny

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justinh:

needless to say that TV doesn't have whatever expensive chip Sony is using for motion 'optimisation' ;-)

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k-man_:

hehe

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k-man_:

and you can't turn off the motion thing on the sony?

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justinh:

apparently not

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k-man_:

what model is it?

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justinh:

can't remember

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justinh:

in the bravia range & cost near a grand

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justinh:

which fora 3" set is quite a bit

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justinh:

oops 32"

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k-man_:

i'm going to make sure i can turn off that feature on whatever tv i get

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justinh:

er 37"

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justinh:

yeah. picture straight through. no messing. let the computer do it

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justinh:

most software deinterlacers do a better job than the builtin junk

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justinh:

what worries me a bit is that apparently even buying a known model from a known manufacturer doesn't guarantee you get the same hardware you might've seen on show or reviewed

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justinh:

different panels crop up... different processing engine etc. If I see a review of a blah-blah-vastinches-super model reviewed, see it in the shop & take it home that's what I blimmin well expect to get

[10:28:23]

justinh:

not just the same box with the same model number on it

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clever:

ive heard that the guys at the store will set the color/contrast wrong (on purpose) on the cheap models

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clever:

so the expensive models give a better picture

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clever:

thus, tricking you into thinking the expensive tv is better

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justinh:

the big thing for me about HDTVs is that there's still a lot of SDTV around.. and no matter how expensive your HDTV is SD still looks like arse

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justinh:

the marketing BS for this nice looking 40" Samsung LED backlit LCD doesn't fill me with joy though.. "Hyper real engine" .. "wide colour enhancer plus". gah

[10:41:55]

justinh:

also "150 clear motion rate". motion processing. NO NO NO NO!

[10:42:05]

clever:

:O

[10:42:39]

clever:

one of the main reasons we got this sony HDTV is that the dvd/audio amp is also sony

[10:42:53]

clever:

the audio amp can be controled via the hdmi cable, using the tv remote

[10:43:33]

clever:

just hit the theatersync button and the amp turns itself on, tv mutes, and the tv relays all volume commands over

[10:43:40]

clever:

BUT, it doesnt work on vga:P

[10:45:17]

k-man_:

clever: crap

[10:45:51]

clever:

k-man_: it looks to be a firmware problem, it just says 'feature not available' when i try to theatersync

[10:46:05]

clever:

i have to manualy put the tv volume to 1, and then use the 2nd remote to control the amp

[10:46:48]

clever:

until i get an irblaster and irexec setup, i'll need 2 or 3 remotes

[10:46:57]

justinh:

what?! there's a warning in the user manual about burnin. On an LCD

[10:48:34]

** justinh looks for the section of the manual entitled 'how to make the picture look correct by disabling the fancy feature junk' **

[10:48:47]

clever:

k-man_: i have however, gotten lirc (devinput driver) setup partialy, and now i have a working pause button

[10:49:04]

clever:

but a few keys are missing from lircd.conf, so i cant map every single button yet

[10:50:19]

justinh:

whoah! nice idea. channel list transfer to a USB stick

[10:53:18]

justinh:

DLNA too. and wireless?! that's a lot on a £700 telly

[10:59:36]

clever:

hmmm, i need a MENU key next

[11:04:16]

gbee:

everyone needs a MENU key

[11:05:15]

clever:

yeah, i just happened to forget it

[11:05:57]

clever:

so far, routing it thru lirc is working alot better then just letting it act as a keyboard

[11:06:25]

clever:

should get volume next

[11:07:11]

justinh:

another thing I need to look into for my next tv. discrete AV input IR codes

[11:07:22]

justinh:

if they don't got em I'm not gettin

[11:07:41]

clever:

yeah, thats one thing i can see as a major problem in my current tv firmware

[11:07:49]

clever:

the list re-orders itself based on what was last used

[11:08:04]

clever:

so you can never hit input 3 times and expect it to land in the same place

[11:08:33]

clever:

though you can cheat, inputs can be hidden, leaving you with just 2 choices

[11:12:56]

gbee:

my TV won't remember the last used input, every time I turn it off it resets back to 'TV' which is doubly annoying because there's no aerial connected to it

[11:13:10]

bjd:

very annoying

[11:13:27]

bjd:

mine does that too even tho there's an option to 'remember' the last input

[11:15:10]

clever:

the DVI on the cable box takes 10–15 seconds to connect

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clever:

so every time i switch to that input, it goes dead for a while

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Peitolm:

clever: can you not say 'input N'

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Peitolm:

clever my logitech harmony manages it with my sony TV

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justinh:

interesting RTFM on this sammy TV

[11:28:24]

Peitolm:

harmony remotes are great, excellent WAF, and usually just works

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justinh:

only plays up to 25mbit content

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clever:

Peitolm: dont know yet, havent looked for a code listing and i dont have a proper ir receiver

[11:28:55]

justinh:

harmony remotes are NOT great if your equipment doesn't have discrete input switching IR commands

[11:29:01]

Peitolm:

(unless the amp doesn't see the signal, but the remote has logic you can goto to say, "it's not working"

[11:29:39]

justinh:

I've tried all ways to get my harmony to play nice with Av2-S on my telly

[11:29:53]

Peitolm:

justinh: all my sources go through the amp, so the TV doesn't change inputs, but yes, that could be a problem, although the harmony can be told it's N inputs away,

[11:30:11]

Peitolm:

have you tried calling logitech, I've heard they can be very helpful with setups like yours

[11:30:21]

justinh:

yeah the problem is, the button for AV2 (green) toggles between composite & svid

[11:30:27]

clever:

in my case, its the oposite

[11:30:28]

Peitolm:

(they do keep a track of state of all devices, sho should be able to work it out)

[11:30:31]

justinh:

meh. it's a junk system anyway

[11:30:34]

clever:

all sources (audio and video) go to the tv

[11:30:35]

justinh:

logitech's I mean

[11:30:40]

clever:

then the tv's audio out goes to the amp

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Peitolm:

justinh: just because it doesn't work for you :)

[11:30:55]

clever:

so nearly everything is dumbed down to 2 channel analog

[11:31:06]

justinh:

it's utterly stupid. we have two activities in our house

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Peitolm:

clever: shame, can the amp not handle video switching?

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clever:

the amp itself is a dvd player, so DVD's bypass the mess

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justinh:

watch TV through mythtv or watch the cable box live in wallpaper mode

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clever:

Peitolm: nope

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Peitolm:

justinh: I have 4 i think

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justinh:

for those times I might want to turn the AV amp on.. or not

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Peitolm:

clever: ah, i had that until i upgraded to an onkyo which did HDMI switching

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clever:

Peitolm: 1 analog audio input, built-in 5 disk dvd/cd changer

[11:31:51]

Peitolm:

my AV is always on with the TV

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justinh:

and I don't want to wade through a menu on the remote to do it

[11:31:55]

clever:

hdmi out for the dvd player

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justinh:

cable STB is on RGB, AV1

[11:32:35]

justinh:

I could use my AV receiver to switch, but that's a whole load of waiting for the harmony's lame state machine

[11:32:53]

Peitolm:

meh, ime it doesn't take that long

[11:33:04]

clever:

at the moment, i can access the TV out from 1 pc(composite), vga out from a laptop, stb (hdmi), the tv's internal tuner and the dvd player

[11:33:08]

clever:

4 inputs total

[11:33:16]

justinh:

the big deal is – if I can turn things on & select the right inputs in less time than it takes the 'activity' setting...

[11:33:20]

Peitolm:

i usually walk in, turn the TV on (no remote power yet), and hit the button on the remote, by the time i'm in the chair and settled, it all works

[11:33:33]

justinh:

see that's too long IMHO

[11:33:51]

clever:

we never shut the STB off

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Peitolm:

you can speed it up by re-organising the commands

[11:34:00]

justinh:

and the only way the remote can get back to a known state is by switching things off.. which is kinda nasty

[11:34:04]

clever:

so its just a matter of turning the HDTV on and picking the right input

[11:34:12]

justinh:

it can still only send one thing at a time though

[11:34:27]

Peitolm:

justinh: um, mine doesn't, it can fix things to the right state if needs be;'

[11:34:47]

justinh:

not the 515 then

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Peitolm:

nope, 880 i thnk

[11:35:58]

justinh:

I just wish mine had a 'device' mode where I didn't have to first press DEVICE

[11:36:01]

Peitolm:

875. something lik that

[11:37:29]

justinh:

the vol. down button is going wonk on mine too. not good

[11:37:32]

Peitolm:

885

[11:37:39]

justinh:

nothing I can' fix but that's not the point

[11:37:45]

Peitolm:

sorry, just dug out a link,

[11:38:08]

Peitolm:

i debated the 895, with the ability to hide the kit away, but decided not to

[11:38:33]

justinh:

I think you either love activity based remotes or hate their guts

[11:38:55]

Peitolm:

true

[11:39:04]

Peitolm:

what works for me,clearly doesn't work for you

[11:39:15]

justinh:

because of the ability to have 'soft' buttons I figured it'd be possible to hard-code buttons to make it change between devices

[11:39:35]

justinh:

hmm... though if I was smarter maybe I could do it

[11:39:42]

Peitolm:

that's not to say i don't wish it could be snappier, but it's better than dealing with lots of remotes, and it was the best thing around at that price point when i bought it 4 years ago

[11:39:59]

justinh:

I wouldn't have paid more than I did for mine (£25)

[11:40:35]

Peitolm:

I used to have an entirely sony system, that the amp remote controlled, but then along came the cable box, and then the wii, then the ps3, and it started getting crazy

[11:40:43]

justinh:

heheh

[11:41:03]

justinh:

hey maybe I could just make activities like 'control TV' and 'control MythTV'

[11:41:15]

justinh:

then to heck with switching things & macro junk

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Peitolm:

yep

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** Peitolm wishes he could work out why his myth box has become unstable **

[11:42:18]

justinh:

how the hell does Amazon know?

[11:42:30]

justinh:

email from them just now about a baby lifecasting kit

[11:42:43]

justinh:

I bought one OFFLINE the other week

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Peitolm:

currently everything is pointing to either memory, psu, mobo, or cpu

[11:43:08]

Peitolm:

justinh: wife shares your amazon account and was looking at, or buying baby books?

[11:43:10]

justinh:

see also email from them about an album I bought in a record shop in town the other week too

[11:43:33]

Peitolm:

did you price compare?

[11:43:39]

justinh:

stuff I 'might like' is scarily turning out to be stuff I've bought recently

[11:43:52]

justinh:

I did look online, but not on amazon

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Peitolm:

they've got your number

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** Peitolm looks for a replacement motherboard for his solaris box **

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justinh:

maybe my wife did, on her machine..and they collect info by IP

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justinh:

but that only explains the lifecasting stuff not the album

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clever:

theyre watching you........

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clever:

justinh: did you by chance give a phone# when you purchased it offline?

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k-man_:

clever: what is it your setting up with lirc? i didn't quite follow

[12:27:53]

clever:

k-man_: i compiled the devinput driver, which grabs the 'usb keyboard' in my ir receiver

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clever:

so now i can bind the 'keys' on the remote like any other lirc device

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clever:

and it seems that whenever an lirc client disconnects (mythfrontend closes) lircd lets go, and it begins acting as a keyboard&mouse again, and works fine in Xorg

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k-man_:

clever: oh, i see, interesting

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k-man_:

so its some sort of ir keyboard?

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clever:

its an ir remote, but to make the driver problem go away, they have it claim to be a keybard&mouse

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clever:

if i hit the 'abc' key once, it types a

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clever:

if i hit it a 2nd time, it types backspace, b

[12:30:43]

clever:

that works fine in notepad for typing (slowly), but it will wreak havoc on mythtv

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clever:

and the 'abc' key itself is hidden within the tab key, via numlock

[12:33:22]

clever:

but numlock seems to cycle thru 3 modes, and there is no status led, so it can get confusing when it winds up in the wrong mode

[12:33:35]

clever:

i havent played with that key yet under lirc

[12:34:04]

clever:

it feels like the receiver handles that mode on its own, and changes the fake key events before the kernel has a chance to fix things

[12:34:53]

clever:

k-man_: some keys also do simply shortcuts, the close button is just alt+f4

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clever:

the A button is really whacky, ctrl+alt+A+1

[12:37:06]

clever:

what the hell, rewind is left+ctrl+shift+B

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k-man_:

clever: sounds annoying to say the least

[13:27:15]

clever:

k-man_: yeah, i'll just avoid the numlock and use the keys in the default mode

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k-man_:

why did you buy this remote?

[13:27:51]

clever:

it was cheap :P

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k-man_:

false economy

[13:29:08]

clever:

getting to work on making it a proper frontend now

[13:29:26]

clever:

cd ripping with a single button on the remote, play music with another button

[13:29:32]

clever:

no need to go thru the mythtv menu

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k-man_:

so it has a special ir receiver that does some interpolating?

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justinh:

cd ripping with a remote button? wth is the point of that?!

[13:29:57]

clever:

yeah, a special ir receiver that claims to be a usb keyboard&mouse

[13:30:08]

clever:

justinh: simple

[13:30:10]

justinh:

you can't load a disk with a button press. you have to get out of your seat at some point

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clever:

yeah, you still have to load the disk manualy of course

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clever:

but once its inserted, you just hit one button and it rips and spits it out

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justinh:

meh

[13:32:02]

justinh:

I did all my CD ripping with anything up to 4 machines

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clever:

thats the plan atleast, gentoo is still installing abcde

[13:33:04]

clever:

ive sacrificed cd drives for hdd on most of the systems

[13:33:12]

clever:

though with the current frontend, its booting from usb

[13:33:24]

clever:

i could shove the stick in a 4 cdrom desktop and rip 4 disks at once

[13:33:29]

deegan:

So does anyone of you have a smart solution for restaring the mythtvbackend process from the mythfrontend, i'm not talking about rebooting the machine but just restarting the process.

[13:33:50]

justinh:

erm how about stopping mythbackend crashing?

[13:33:55]

clever:

deegan: my only idea is irexec and lirc

[13:34:04]

justinh:

you shouldn't have to restart the backend. ever

[13:34:18]

deegan:

clever: yea i was thinking about something like that myself, possibly incorporating ssh-keys and some scripts to make it happen.

[13:34:42]

clever:

ah, master isnt local, yeah you would need a public/private key then too

[13:34:45]

deegan:

justinh: I'm experiencing some problem where channels wont decrypt and restarting mythbackend seems to do the trick.

[13:35:11]

clever:

deegan: i have a deamon script on my master, which respawns mythbackend every time it exits

[13:35:25]

clever:

so your idea could be done with a simple config = ssh master killall mythbackend

[13:36:15]

clever:

.lircrc also seems to have support for multi-button combos, (just enter several button = ... lines), so it would only work if you dial 23728 on the remote

[13:36:27]

deegan:

hehe "dial reboot" ;)

[13:36:33]

justinh:

er really? :-O

[13:36:39]

justinh:

wow I didn't know that

[13:36:42]

clever:

justinh: yeah, i just found that today

[13:36:46]

clever:

it also has a huge mode system

[13:36:59]

justinh:

I knew it has states etc

[13:37:04]

clever:

certain keys can change the mode, swaping out the entire .lircrc config basicaly

[13:37:04]

deegan:

I'm using .lircrc for jumping between mythfrontend <-> xbmc <-> boxee so maybe i should just go with it.

[13:37:08]

clever:

http://www.lirc.org/html/configure.html#lircrc_format

[13:37:21]

justinh:

xbmc & boxee? how much suck do you want today?

[13:37:54]

deegan:

justinh: haha well i dont use boxee that much, it's mostly for giggles and because i'm unemployed at the moment so i have to find something to do with my sparetime.

[13:38:04]

justinh:

clever: cheers for that info :-)

[13:38:16]

deegan:

xbmc on the other hand, i feel is smother to use then mythtv when it comes to handling a gazillion movies and tv-shows.

[13:38:18]

justinh:

been a while since I read lirc docs

[13:38:32]

justinh:

yeah. I wonder where that gazillion came from

[13:38:41]

justinh:

yarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[13:39:56]

clever:

ive got too many to even decide what to watch, so i just find /media/mainlv/vidoes -type f > playlist;xterm -e mplayer -shuffle -playlist playlist

[13:40:15]

clever:

the xterm -e causes it to show up on the tv, so i can watch mplayer's output on audio files

[13:40:23]

deegan:

Oh dont get me wrong I love DVD's and collecting stuff but when it comes to playing that stuff nothing beats having it all in a nice library stored away on some harddrives so you can jump between seasons and different shows with a few clicks instead of having to swap a DVD-disc out everytime.

[13:40:42]

justinh:

have you even seen mythvideo lately?

[13:40:50]

deegan:

I tinkered with it a few days ago.

[13:41:04]

clever:

the gallery (folder) mode should be good for that

[13:42:04]

clever:

ok, minor problem

[13:42:05]

clever:

i cant see the cdrom drive

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** justinh votes for mythtv having a 'kill all other multimedia apps upon load' feature users can't disable :-P **

[13:43:47]

clever:

and its already started, it kills pulse audio!

[13:46:20]

clever:

i'll have to reboot and see how things go

[13:46:44]

clever:

but first, the root is in ram, so i have to save it back to flash

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[13:58:08]

justinh:

hmm. anyone here ever use a pci-e riser?

[13:58:48]

justinh:

I see there are PCB types & ribbon cable type... I guess the cable sort are to be avoided

[14:00:47]

Peitolm:

why do you guess that?

[14:01:11]

justinh:

seeing some of them & they look like they use UDMA IDE cable

[14:01:15]

Peitolm:

if you can use a PCB, use a PCB, but otherwise, I don't think there's a problem per se with the cabled types

[14:01:27]

Peitolm:

it's just copper in plastic

[14:01:42]

justinh:

hardly a tightly controlled impedance though

[14:01:52]

justinh:

whereas PCB traces can be

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justinh:

OMG. Sky News, you classy ****ers http://i.imgur.com/YQiqd.jpg

[14:17:19]

clever:

crap, OOM

[14:17:29]

clever:

i think

[14:17:40]

clever:

yep

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** Peitolm wonders if it might be better to run 2xmini-itx boxes with a tuner each, than try and run 1 atx box **

[14:18:57]

wagnerrp:

why would that be better?

[14:19:14]

wagnerrp:

now youve got two machines that are best left running all the time, rather than one

[14:20:32]

Peitolm:

I'm thinking master backend on a separate box, and just power up the tuners when needed

[14:20:54]

Peitolm:

(the separate box is always on anyhow)

[14:20:59]

wagnerrp:

so there would be a third master backend?

[14:21:04]

wagnerrp:

why not just stuff the tuners in that?

[14:21:17]

Peitolm:

virtualbox on solaris

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** Peitolm wonders if there are any mythtv supported usb h.264 encoders available **

[14:22:43]

wagnerrp:

HDPVR

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Peitolm:

o.k. that may work

[14:24:05]

Peitolm:

next question, any mythtv supported usb DVB-S encoders

[14:24:22]

wagnerrp:

no such thing

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wagnerrp:

if you actually mean usb DVB-S tuners...

[14:24:47]

wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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Peitolm:

yes

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Peitolm:

that's what i meant, sorry

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Peitolm:

hmm, vbox peeps say it's not a good idea

[14:33:27]

oobe:

all of the most recent videos say in the last 6 months that i added to mythvideo are missing genre fields i.e a movie i added 2 years ago will have Horror or Comedy etc. but none of my most recent movies i added do also same goes for tv eps added from tvdb anyone know what that might be?

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[14:38:26]

justinh:

you mean they're missing genre info on themoviedb.org ?

[14:38:36]

oobe:

no in my metadata

[14:38:53]

oobe:

so if the site has the info in doesnt insert it into my tables

[14:38:55]

justinh:

maybe they don't support genres in the API currently used

[14:39:01]

oobe:

maybe

[14:39:07]

oobe:

was worried i broke somthing

[14:39:15]

oobe:

also browse by cast genre etc. doesnt seem to work anymore

[14:39:32]

oobe:

i never used it but i remember trying it and it did work when .22 first came out

[14:41:43]

justinh:

anyway I thought mythvideo only had 'category'

[14:42:09]

justinh:

and that likely wasn't populated by the metadata grabbers

[14:42:24]

oobe:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo#Metadata_Browse_Modes

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oobe:

it used to be

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justinh:

doesn't seem to be a category column in the videometadata table

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oobe:

ok

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iamlindoro:

a) genre grabbing still works fine, b) so do the browse by modes

[14:44:07]

iamlindoro:

Use both regularly, up to and including yesterday

[14:44:19]

justinh:

duh I meant genre column... and there's a new table besides. heh

[14:44:21]

oobe:

hmm then i broke somthing

[14:44:27]

iamlindoro:

justinh: genre and category are in their own tables

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justinh:

videometadatagenre :-)

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justinh:

& the genres are in videogenre. simples! so now I knows

[14:45:20]

wagnerrp:

those arent new

[14:45:28]

justinh:

well newish

[14:45:36]

wagnerrp:

been there as long as ive been tinkering

[14:45:42]

justinh:

they have?

[14:45:45]

iamlindoro:

And since well before I was involved in mythvideo, too

[14:45:50]

justinh:

heh

[14:45:53]

oobe:

the only way i can think to fix it is to do a fresh install of mythconverg then restore my recordings data and restart my mythvideo metadata which would take ages

[14:45:55]

iamlindoro:

so > 3 years or so

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justinh:

that's me told then. I stand totally corrected

[14:46:35]

justinh:

I suppose I only thought they were quite new because there was no option to filter by genre before

[14:46:45]

justinh:

cue somebody telling me there was... ;-)

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iamlindoro:

there was ;)

[14:48:53]

oobe:

maybe i could do a fresh database install called mythconverg2 and see how well it works first

[14:49:11]

wagnerrp:

or even 'flibertygibbit'

[14:49:27]

oobe:

yea

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oobe:

that will do

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oobe:

not today though

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justinh:

oh dear oh dear, oh dear http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1135/lemmings.jpg

[14:57:06]

iamlindoro:

Well that's convenient

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wagnerrp:

wow

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FredYerkes:

Hi – I'm having no luck archiving a recording to a DVD .iso file, could someone take a glance at my log and help me head in the right direction please?

[15:41:54]

FredYerkes:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1960973

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wagnerrp:

uh oh... zombies

[16:14:20]

** iamlindoro checks ammo **

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iamlindoro:

we're gonna make it. Follow me.

[16:14:33]

** wagnerrp just watched The Event **

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iamlindoro:

I haven't seen this week's

[16:15:01]

wagnerrp:

last week's

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wagnerrp:

everyone knows aliens are the source of zombies

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iamlindoro:

Ah, the end

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iamlindoro:

I am SO far behind on all the good shows

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iamlindoro:

I haven't seen the end of last season of Chuck, or any of thise season, or any of Hawaii Five-o, I'm 3 behind on Fringe... sigh

[16:19:36]

wagnerrp:

bah, theyre doing the flashbacks again

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wagnerrp:

i dont care about the characters

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wagnerrp:

or at least the characters' former lives

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wagnerrp:

hes hacking some government database with what looks like some bash ftp script

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wagnerrp:

of course thats infinitely better than using some fancy gui

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BLZbubba:

good morning, what's new?

[16:50:49]

BLZbubba:

trying to get a harmony one programmed for my cheapo MCE remote; anyone here use that kind of setup?

[16:51:04]

BLZbubba:

it ended up setting it up as "MythDora" and only a few of the buttons work

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SteveGoodey:

i seem to remember a Mythbuntu option which seemed to work OK.

[16:52:47]

BLZbubba:

hmm that's what i am using but i didn't get that option

[16:53:05]

BLZbubba:

i guess we'll see how useful the 90 days of phone support is

[16:58:05]

wagnerrp:

BLZbubba: there are several manufacturers with mceusb compatible profiles in the harmony database

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wagnerrp:

i seem to be using 'Media Center PC, Microsoft, Windows Media Center'

[17:04:14]

EvilBob:

Is it possible to enlarge closed caption font of TV beyond the "200% limit" as mentioned here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Detail . . . sed_Captions ? I assume I am seeing Analog Captions. it is ATSC that have the enlarge option I guess.

[17:04:33]

BLZbubba:

wagnerrp: you mean you're using that instead of one of the MythTV options?

[17:05:05]

wagnerrp:

the only 'MythTV' option i know of emulates a hauppauge gray remote

[17:05:09]

wagnerrp:

not something you want to use

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wagnerrp:

logitech could handle IR receivers far better than they currently do

[17:06:14]

wagnerrp:

right now, theyre all stuck in with the media center pc section

[17:06:55]

EvilBob:

I still do not hve my hauppauge remote working in Fedora, gave up on it for a while.

[17:08:11]

EvilBob:

Have not wanted to bother J-rod about it yet.

[17:10:35]

bjn:

um... is http://www.thetvdb.com/ down? or is it just my connection...

[17:11:26]

wagnerrp:

http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.thetvdb.com

[17:11:43]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: we should get that as a trigger ^^^

[17:11:52]

bjn:

hah

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Beirdo:

hehe

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bjn:

crap.. ttvdb.py doesnt give an error code back so now my script just figured the season and episode wasnt found

[17:13:46]

Beirdo:

!url down www.thetvdb.com

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MythLogBot:

down: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www%2Ethetvdb%2Ecom

[17:13:54]

Beirdo:

hmm. close :)

[17:14:13]

Beirdo:

but effective enouth

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Beirdo:

enough rather

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wagnerrp:

but it looks so dirty

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

bjn: returns non-zero to me (an error)

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bjn:

which command are you using?

[17:16:03]

bjn:

or arguments

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wagnerrp:

ttvdb.py -l en -M 'The Event'

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bjn:

! Invalid Series (no matches found in thetvdb,com)

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bjn:

mine says

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bjn:

sure, its an error

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iamlindoro:

! Error: Could not connect to server: <urlopen error [Errno 110] Connection timed out>

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bjn:

thats what I want

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iamlindoro:

That's what the script gives

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iamlindoro:

in trunk, anyway

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bjn:

excellent

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iamlindoro:

What is it you are trying to do with the script?

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wagnerrp:

simply not finding any matches is not an error

[17:20:25]

wagnerrp:

specifically, you need to check the return code

[17:21:29]

bjn:

i'm doing some ninja stuff... in sweden we get retarded episode info like "Bones episode 66 season 4"

[17:22:06]

bjn:

so i get the total number of episodes per seasons and calculate the correct episode number ;)

[17:23:21]

bjn:

unfortunately this time it couldnt connect to i got an episode like S4E66 which isnt very useful

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psymin:

I'm trying to find some information about something .. and I don't know the proper words :) .. Signals sent out of band (like closed captioning) that announces the end of a program?

[18:11:21]

clever:

i can almost remember the word for it!

[18:11:58]

devinheitmueller:

psymin: VBI.

[18:12:04]

clever:

thats it!

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wagnerrp:

VBI is the old analog format

[18:12:23]

psymin:

okies!

[18:12:29]

wagnerrp:

the stuff broadcast outside the visible space of the signal

[18:12:34]

devinheitmueller:

Closed captioning in particular is described in standard EIA-608.

[18:12:56]

wagnerrp:

an NTSC broadcast is 525 lines, but only 480 lines are displayed video

[18:13:04]

kormoc:

I don't believe it has the data you're looking for

[18:13:06]

wagnerrp:

the rest is used for data transmission, like VBI

[18:13:44]

devinheitmueller:

And "end of program" data in Europe is announced through a VBI based standard called VPS.

[18:13:59]

wagnerrp:

i still dont get why its still used

[18:14:03]

psymin:

devinheitmueller, think it might be the same in the states?

[18:14:17]

wagnerrp:

you record a 480i digital show, and you see the same garbage in the signal

[18:14:17]

devinheitmueller:

psymin: In the US, there is no definitive way to know when programs start/end.

[18:14:35]

psymin:

not even with the cooperation of the broadcaster?

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devinheitmueller:

... which is why "commercial detection" is such a black art.

[18:14:42]

wagnerrp:

psymin: the broadcast EPG will display the scheduled start/stop of a show

[18:14:45]

devinheitmueller:

psymin: The broadcaster has no interest in cooperating.

[18:14:50]

wagnerrp:

along with short term guide data

[18:15:03]

wagnerrp:

but it in no way signifies the actual start/end of a show

[18:15:07]

psymin:

devinheitmueller, this broadcaster is a local access channel who gets paid by the govt :)

[18:15:16]

devinheitmueller:

Why do you think that would matter?

[18:15:24]

wagnerrp:

if a sporting event runs over in time, that data never actually gets updated

[18:15:30]

kormoc:

devinheitmueller, he's not jaded yet

[18:15:30]

psymin:

money provides interest *shrug*

[18:16:00]

wagnerrp:

PBS wants you to watch their ads just as much as any other broadcast company

[18:16:08]

devinheitmueller:

If you happen to work for the broadcaster, there are certainly some things you could inject into the signal which could denote start/end of program, but nobody actually does this today.

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psymin:

devinheitmueller, any advice on what to inject?

[18:16:52]

devinheitmueller:

psymin: are we talking analog or digital?

[18:16:57]

psymin:

analog

[18:17:50]

devinheitmueller:

The best you can do is probably ETS 300 231.

[18:17:59]

** psymin googles. **

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devinheitmueller:

But that's not targeted for the USA. There is no standard in the US.

[18:18:01]

psymin:

Thanks a ton!

[18:18:04]

psymin:

ahh

[18:18:24]

devinheitmueller:

In particular the "PDC" aspect of that standard.

[18:19:04]

devinheitmueller:

Again though, the receiver would have to be modified to look for the signal as well, since nothing in the US currently looks for it.

[18:19:32]

psymin:

ahh, crud

[18:20:44]

devinheitmueller:

You can also look at VCRPlus, if licensing isn't a concern.

[18:23:03]

devinheitmueller:

Doh. Nevermind. VCRPlus isn't inband signalled.

[18:31:26]

sphery:

wagnerrp: so, I'm wondering if your largely-ignored-so-far comment on #8706 is related to the original issue (now that we know the original is different from the additional issue)

[18:32:05]

wagnerrp:

hey, i did post something to that

[18:32:15]

wagnerrp:

i kept wondering why was getting direct emails to that ticket

[18:32:20]

sphery:

i.e. if the position map is written to the DB incorrectly with a 2x frame on the end, it may be trying to seek too far

[18:32:57]

sid3windr:

hmm

[18:33:07]

sid3windr:

PDC was used here

[18:33:36]

sid3windr:

but I guess they stopped bothering when digital stb pvrs became popular

[18:33:46]

sid3windr:

which is totally awesome if epg does not match reality

[18:34:04]

sid3windr:

nothing as epic as programming the thing to record all 24 eps and missing the last 15min of the last episod

[18:34:07]

sid3windr:

e

[18:34:28]

sid3windr:

and I thought "why isn't there pdc sent out on our dvb-c"

[18:34:29]

sid3windr:

hehe

[18:34:42]

sid3windr:

(they offered the episode for free on demand though btw, so ok fix)

[18:34:46]

wagnerrp:

yes, EPG is the plan, not the reality

[18:35:13]

wagnerrp:

but its only going to be rare circumstances that the two deviate

[18:36:30]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i should upgrade and see if i have the same issue

[18:40:55]

sphery:

yeah

[18:41:31]

sphery:

I tested with an interlaced recording, but it was using the dummy/demo recorder (which seems to have been borked by someone's recent changes to said recorder)

[18:42:11]

sphery:

I couldn't repro, but given the new behavior of the recorder--copying the source MPEG file at 1GB/min--I'm sure it's impossible to repro an issue of hitting the end of the recording

[18:42:33]

wagnerrp:

note, NBC doesnt suffer the issue, only CBS

[18:42:39]

wagnerrp:

so its some particular quirk of their encoder

[18:42:43]

sphery:

so, for example, if I ran my test recorder on my dev box for an hour, I'd have a >60GB recording file

[18:42:58]

sphery:

interesting

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wagnerrp:

sphery: mythlink.pl doesnt have any delete support, right?

[18:53:55]

gruyen:

hello. has anybody had issues with comcast set top boxes in the past couple days?

[18:54:08]

wagnerrp:

you just leave the dead symlink there and let the filesystem hide it

[18:54:14]

gruyen:

suddenly i'm not getting subtitles in some content. and channel change over firewire is flakey

[18:55:40]

sphery:

wagnerrp: mythlink.pl deletes all links beneath the --link/--dest directory

[18:55:51]

wagnerrp:

i mean when youre doing per-recording

[18:55:57]

sphery:

no, not per-recording

[18:56:08]

wagnerrp:

the event system stuff

[18:56:12]

sphery:

with that you should do a daily/weekly/... cron job that does a full populate

[18:56:52]

wagnerrp:

ok, just curious after messing with mythfs recently

[18:56:52]

sphery:

see Note at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl#Using_ . . . ystem_Events

[18:57:11]

sphery:

(which sends you to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl#Usage )

[18:57:27]

wagnerrp:

ive got it set up to listen for add/delete/update events

[18:57:30]

sphery:

Note that when specifying --filename or --chanid and --starttime, deletion of old symlinks (other than the one for the specified file) is suppressed. Therefore, anyone using this script in a user job or with the event system should still run the script occasionally without the --filename<code> or <code>--chanid<code> and <code>--starttime<code> arguments to allow removal of links that referred to recordings since deleted.

[18:57:36]

sphery:

yeah, I still haven't done that

[18:57:38]

wagnerrp:

but i dont have it ever issuing a full refresh

[18:57:47]

wagnerrp:

its relying entirely on the events

[18:57:54]

sphery:

I changed it to run 1/day--as a precursor to setting up events

[18:57:57]

sphery:

but then I stopped

[18:57:57]

wagnerrp:

im wondering if i should force a refresh every 6hrs or something

[18:58:16]

sphery:

and I'm really not missing the once per 30min runs :)

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sphery:

could just do a daily refresh when your viewing period typically ends... I.e. midnight or whatever

[18:58:48]

wagnerrp:

yeah, it takes a few seconds for me to initialize, i cant imagine how long it runs on yours

[18:59:08]

sphery:

I actually have one nice backend system, now

[19:00:22]

sphery:

not too long, actually...

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sphery:

even on my Athlon XP 2400+, real 0m3.183s , user 0m1.547s , sys 0m0.270s --and that's for a 5-directory/5-view run

[19:01:32]

sphery:

oh, wait, that was just the rm part

[19:01:38]

wagnerrp:

heh

[19:02:28]

sphery:

I was in a directory to which mythtv user didn't have permission, so the script was failing with Can't cd to ...: Permission denied after it unlinked the links

[19:02:35]

Peitolm:

does anyone know what the right term would be for a USB device that that takes a video stream over composite/s-vid and converts it from PAL/NTSC to MPEG2/h2.64, I'm thinking a tuner here, just a straight encoder

[19:02:48]

sphery:

yeah, it's taking longer this time :)

[19:02:56]

Peitolm:

I've found the USB Live2

[19:03:06]

wagnerrp:

there are very few basic encoders, most are tuners

[19:03:25]

wagnerrp:

for PAL/NTSC, you want a PVR-USB2 or HVR-1900

[19:03:50]

wagnerrp:

for high definition analog, you want an HDPVR

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gruyen:

having googled a little, if the comcast affiliate had started using the privacy mode, would that lead to the symptoms i'm seeing? i can still record over firewire, but can't reliably change channel

[19:05:03]

sphery:

wagnerrp: real 1m39.344s , user 0m9.428s , sys 0m0.979s for the 5 dirs

[19:05:10]

gruyen:

...and subtitles are missing from some recordings

[19:05:28]

wagnerrp:

oof, yeah... thats a bit longer than mine

[19:05:54]

wagnerrp:

i get 4 seconds before mythfs backgrounds

[19:05:54]

sphery:

missing subtitles would be a listings provider issue, not related to the video stream

[19:06:03]

wagnerrp:

but thats only one view, and 150 recordings

[19:06:05]

sphery:

unless you mean subtitles in the context of captions.

[19:06:17]

wagnerrp:

yes, captions, not guide data

[19:06:35]

sphery:

wagnerrp: also, I have 2 backends, so it's only about 650 recordings each

[19:06:53]

gruyen:

sphery – yep, captions in the mpg which i extract with ccextractor

[19:07:07]

wagnerrp:

sphery: it only runs for the local backend?

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sphery:

gruyen: oh, sorry... I was thinking episode title

[19:08:00]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, it only creates links if there's local access to the file, and I will never use any NFS for it

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wagnerrp:

gruyen: privacy mode has nothing to do with cable boxes

[19:08:20]

wagnerrp:

it only affects the little DTA boxes

[19:08:58]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, thats the upside and downside of mythfs

[19:09:16]

sphery:

yeah, that makes things much more complex

[19:09:22]

wagnerrp:

it can use mythproto for file access, but that means the system load is much more

[19:09:35]

sphery:

btw, I was thinking about 0.24 and the orphaned recordings scripts...

[19:09:40]

wagnerrp:

ive got ~4.5min of usage from a couple hours of tv watching

[19:10:18]

wagnerrp:

which all told, that really isnt half bad

[19:10:27]

sphery:

While I don't want any attempt to reimplement myth.rebuild_datbase.pl or myth_find_orphans.pl, creating a simple script that just outputs a list of orphaned files or orphaned metadata wouldn't be bad

[19:10:40]

sphery:

I'm still planning to get a real solution in soon

[19:10:51]

wagnerrp:

i can whip that up in short order

[19:10:53]

sphery:

but it's up to you if you're interested in doing a holdover script

[19:11:12]

sphery:

then again, I'm completely fine with users having to dig an old copy of the old legacy scripts out of the repo

[19:11:46]

sphery:

I just don't want them finding some broken script already installed on their systems and expecting it to just work, so I'm glad we don't have the scripts in current trunk

[19:11:53]

sphery:

it's totally up to you

[19:12:48]

Beirdo:

borkage time?

[19:12:49]

Beirdo:

:)

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[19:14:38]

Saviq:

hi, any idea why I would experience tearing on SD (MPEG2 from DVB-S) channels with VDPAU (drivers 256)? Sync to VBlank for both OpenGL and XVideo is enabled

[19:14:39]

sphery:

might be nice to list, "these recording files should be on this host, but aren't" (orphaned metadata) and "these files exist in this host's storage group directories, but have no matching entries" (orphaned files)--and, ideally, for orphaned files, check to see if they exist in the DB (recorded.basename) for a different host, and if so, warn differently about them (in a different section)

[19:14:45]

sphery:

wagnerrp: ^^^

[19:14:52]

sphery:

if that's a lot of work, though, don't waste your time :)

[19:14:53]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, thats the plan

[19:14:59]

Saviq:

the tearing happens always near the top of the screen

[19:14:59]

wagnerrp:

no, not much at all

[19:15:45]

sphery:

but I like a simple list of output and a recommendation to move any orphaned files into mythvideo

[19:16:57]

sphery:

wagnerrp: and feel free to allow them to delete orphaned metadata (with a FORCE_DELETE_RECORDING ), but ideally prompting for each recording

[19:17:42]

sphery:

and feel free to warn them they should backup the DB too

[19:17:56]

sphery:

or feel free to do it however you like :)

[19:24:18]

sphery:

wagnerrp: so, would this script be usable on 0.23-fixes bindings, too?

[19:24:29]

wagnerrp:

with minor effort

[19:24:29]

sphery:

just wondering

[19:24:44]

wagnerrp:

actually... i think directly

[19:24:47]

sphery:

cool

[19:25:12]

sphery:

if so, we should put a big warning on the pages on the wiki for the old scripts, with a link to the page for the new one

[19:25:38]

sphery:

I can delete the existing info, so that someone can revert my changes later

[19:26:53]

highzeth:

Saviq: is composite disabled in xorg.conf?

[19:27:11]

Peitolm:

wagnerrp: would a HVR-900 do the trick? seems to now have composite input, linuxtv.org doesn't mention it though,

[19:27:20]

Saviq:

highzeth: I was just about to write that disabling it seems to have helped

[19:27:26]

Beirdo:

jpabq-: you in?

[19:27:27]

wagnerrp:

no, you dont want a 900 for analog

[19:27:38]

Saviq:

highzeth: is that a new requirement? I didn't have that set before

[19:28:03]

highzeth:

Saviq: I've always had to have it disabled in combo with VDPAU

[19:28:49]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: if you feel like... put in a check for 0 byte recordings too

[19:29:10]

Beirdo:

(or < 1MB or whatever to catch the tiny failed ones)

[19:29:16]

Peitolm:

wagnerrp: i don't want to record analogue, i want composite (if that makes sense?)

[19:29:31]

wagnerrp:

no, that does not make sense

[19:29:33]

wagnerrp:

composite is analog

[19:29:40]

sphery:

Beirdo: But wouldn't a hand-tuned channel entry for an analog tuner be much better than anything that could be created from schedules direct data? Kind of like how I write my documents directly in MS .doc format using the vi editor so I have full control over things...

[19:29:43]

Peitolm:

yes, but it's not OTA

[19:29:48]

wagnerrp:

but, its analog

[19:29:54]

Peitolm:

true

[19:29:55]

Beirdo:

sphery: hehe :)

[19:29:59]

wagnerrp:

you dont want a HVR-900 for analog

[19:30:21]

Peitolm:

when people say analog in here, they normally seem to be talking about broadcast

[19:31:09]

Beirdo:

oh oh/.

[19:31:20]

sphery:

we mean it as analog video signal, not analog signal containing a video signal (that could be either analog or digital)

[19:31:21]

Beirdo:

Family Guy just took over my #1 recording position

[19:31:57]

Peitolm:

sphery: ok., thanks for the clarification

[19:32:09]

sphery:

for me, The Simpsons (at 510) has a strong lead over anything else (349 for The Tonight Show With Jay Leno)

[19:32:23]

Beirdo:

Family Guy 135, Scrubs 129

[19:32:27]

Beirdo:

in 3.5 months

[19:32:28]

Beirdo:

:)

[19:32:31]

iamlindoro:

Colbert is my #1, but only by 1 episode over Daily Show

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sphery:

Peitolm: basically, a signal requiring an analog capture device (whether using an analog tuner or baseband or Component input)

[19:33:46]

Peitolm:

sphery: o.k. I got you

[19:33:56]

Peitolm:

Total Recorded: 11 months 14 days 20 hrs 14 mins

[19:34:00]

Peitolm:

eep

[19:34:21]

wagnerrp:

sphery: something quick and crude... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/

[19:34:30]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1961177

[19:34:52]

sphery:

heh, I was all upset that your sending a new line broke my copying of the first URI

[19:35:01]

sphery:

then I realized that the first URI wasn't too useful :)

[19:35:24]

sphery:

wagnerrp: /much/ cleaner than the previous hacks :)

[19:35:30]

Beirdo:

definitely

[19:35:37]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: 0 byte file check? :)

[19:35:38]

Beirdo:

heh

[19:35:46]

sphery:

even if it doesn't have the functionality that the other scripts pretended to have

[19:35:47]

wagnerrp:

not yet, hold on...

[19:36:02]

Beirdo:

that does look nice and easy to follow

[19:36:38]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1961178

[19:36:58]

wagnerrp:

of course... ill need to have it keep the full path

[19:37:10]

wagnerrp:

not much good knowing of an orphaned file without knowing where it is

[19:37:13]

sphery:

nice

[19:37:16]

sphery:

even edentified backups

[19:37:59]

sphery:

heh, shifted off home keys--that was supposed to be identifies

[19:38:38]

Beirdo:

yeah, knowing where the file is would be nice. but definitely a great start for a script to identify cruft for the user to clean up

[19:39:05]

sphery:

wagnerrp: wanna just delete orphaned snapshots?

[19:39:13]

sphery:

assuming you have write perm on the dir

[19:39:21]

wagnerrp:

yeah, was thinking of that

[19:39:29]

sphery:

no harm--even if you delete a valid pixmap (it will just be recreated)

[19:39:33]

wagnerrp:

since those can always be regenerated

[19:39:34]

sphery:

no use worrying users

[19:39:35]

sphery:

yeah

[19:39:46]

Beirdo:

make a --identify-only just in case? :)

[19:39:54]

sphery:

I say don't

[19:40:00]

sphery:

not harm if we overstep

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sphery:

only output a list if we can't actually remove them due to perms

[19:40:25]

Beirdo:

yeah, other than for people debugging pixmap creation, and they can just not run the script

[19:40:32]

sphery:

exactly

[19:42:16]

sphery:

btw, wagnerrp , just add this one to my tab of IOUs

[19:42:39]

wagnerrp:

heh, that was all of 5 minutes

[19:42:52]

sphery:

yeah, but still, you're coming to my rescue

[19:42:54]

wagnerrp:

not like i havent been offering for months

[19:43:06]

sphery:

making somethign that should appease users and in such a way that it's not corrupting the DB

[19:43:09]

Beirdo:

once we get the perl bindings up to muster, we could do it there too, but this is great

[19:43:15]

sphery:

nor so complex that people misuse it (and corrupt the db)

[19:43:34]

Beirdo:

I don't care which language it's in :)

[19:43:50]

sphery:

my biggest complaint about it is that it's all incomprehensible to me

[19:44:03]

sphery:

(I don't speak snake)

[19:44:09]

Beirdo:

hsssssssss

[19:44:18]

Beirdo:

I don't either, but I can grok it OK

[19:44:20]

sphery:

wagnerrp definitely speaks with forked tongue

[19:48:48]

Saviq:

hmm I've one more issue – if default audio output is set to PulseAudio and passthrough to ALSA:iec958, the SPDI/F passthrough output seems to be ignored (I hear "static" that's AC3 / DTS encoded and fed into stereo

[19:49:15]

Saviq:

if I just change the default AO to ALSA, I get AC3/DTS on my receiver

[19:49:42]

Saviq:

it seems that Myth tries to pass encoded data through PA regardless of the passthrough AO setting :/\

[19:49:50]

Beirdo:

seems that "grounded" mike... is posting from what seems to be a work email

[19:49:52]

sphery:

I think you have to use ALSA for everything if you want passthrough

[19:50:27]

Beirdo:

hence why he keeps crossposting to sipx-users

[19:50:28]

Beirdo:

heh

[19:50:30]

Saviq:

sphery: any idea why's that?

[19:50:34]

Beirdo:

que idioto

[19:50:43]

Saviq:

it doesn't seem required technically-wise

[19:51:27]

Saviq:

esp. since I've used ALSA's pulseaudio plugin before along with passthrough and everything worked as expected

[19:51:34]

sphery:

because I don't think we support the use of both

[19:51:45]

sphery:

but that's using ALSA for both

[19:51:56]

Saviq:

not in this installation (many dropouts through the plugin, have yet to debug)

[19:52:21]

sphery:

yeah, using ALSA's pulse plugin isn't expected to work

[19:52:22]

Saviq:

hmm I wonder where's the req for that

[19:52:28]

sphery:

but using ALSA for both should work

[19:52:56]

sphery:

so just set up your default to ALSA:default and passthrough to ALSA:iec958

[19:53:09]

sphery:

assuming ALSA:default is not a pulse plugin

[19:53:14]

Saviq:

yeah, but that beats the purpose ;) I wanted all stereo fed through PA to easily switch to a BT headset

[19:54:52]

Beirdo:

pulse this

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Saviq:

and well, I had it working before... but now I 'fixed' it...

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Saviq:

moved to gentoo from *buntu and that seems to be the last thing I'm missing atm

[19:56:10]

Beirdo:

*chuckle*

[19:57:03]

Saviq:

Beirdo: you alright?

[19:57:32]

Beirdo:

of course... I'm not the one who drastically changed distros and broke his setup ;)

[19:57:51]

sphery:

I thought everyone was fleeing Gentoo, now?

[19:58:03]

Saviq:

nah, why?

[19:58:12]

Saviq:

I'm fleeing *buntu :P

[19:58:21]

** Saviq hates it **

[19:58:33]

Saviq:

it

[19:58:51]

Saviq:

's like I'm protected from touching anything

[19:59:10]

Beirdo:

uh huh

[19:59:28]

Beirdo:

anyways, whatever floats yer boat

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Saviq:

I had gentoo running on my setup before but decided it took too much time to maintain... so I thought mythbuntu was the easier choice...

[19:59:57]

Saviq:

wrong...

[20:02:37]

Saviq:

I have four almost identical frontends so I had them building distributed and that drastically lowered the time it took to upgrade stuff ;)

[20:03:02]

wagnerrp:

sure, but how long did that really take?

[20:03:13]

wagnerrp:

i think i do rebuilds in ~20 minutes

[20:03:25]

wagnerrp:

a monthly update world might take a few hours

[20:03:30]

wagnerrp:

including a new kernel

[20:03:39]

wagnerrp:

on a single machine

[20:03:51]

Saviq:

well, they're Pentium 4s HT 3.0GHz so...

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Saviq:

anyway the weakest link were always the CFs I have for drives

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Saviq:

using tmpfs wherever possible but some stuff does not fit

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sphery:

"Has nothing to do with liking. I don't even have a legal way to get epg data here in germany." ... Isn't that what epgData.com is all about?

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sphery:

and if so, why did epgdata.com info get removed from our wiki?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: somewhat improved... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1961273 http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1961275

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Beirdo:

nice

[20:53:37]

Beirdo:

I know some people whine about 376byte recordings too, so == 0 -> <= 1024?

[20:53:41]

Beirdo:

as a thought

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wagnerrp:

ive not yet decided on automatic deletion of orphaned snapshots

[20:54:12]

wagnerrp:

logically, i see nothing wrong with it

[20:54:22]

wagnerrp:

i just done feel safe with automatic deletion of stuff

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sphery:

wagnerrp: nice

[20:55:00]

sphery:

I still like auto-deletion of pixmaps

[20:55:28]

kormoc:

I still think the backend should clean up the 0 byte recordings for us

[20:55:38]

sphery:

if someone stores their gallery photos in their recordings dir, they deserve to lose them :)

[20:55:47]

Beirdo:

heh

[20:55:50]

Beirdo:

well....

[20:55:56]

Beirdo:

especially if they are .png

[20:55:56]

sphery:

I"m fine with not auto-deleting them

[20:56:07]

sphery:

if nothing else, it will be more likely to convince users it's doing something useful

[20:56:13]

Beirdo:

there will be a separate SG for gallery soon enough

[20:56:18]

sphery:

i.e. if nothing seems to happen, they may feel it's not as good as the old ones

[20:57:17]

sphery:

kind of like the guy who released a program that retrieved the password from MS Office documents. He got hate mail about how it couldn't possibly work--from people who used it to retrieve their passwords, successfully--because it was way too fast.

[20:57:35]

sphery:

So, he put a busy loop in their to peg the CPU for some random amount of time

[20:57:39]

sphery:

then people loved it

[20:57:47]

sphery:

in there

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kormoc:

heh

[20:59:18]

kormoc:

we should do that to the BE

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

just don't put any busy loops in the UI--after all, there's no reason that my UI should take 7% of the CPU when just sitting at the menu

[20:59:49]

kormoc:

0.24 – It does more!* *More is just busy loops randomly scattered in the code

[20:59:50]

wagnerrp:

... i could make this run over mythprotocol, allow you to run it on any arbitrary machine

[21:00:01]

sphery:

(and drawing all of the fancy animations, etc. on that menu)

[21:00:06]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, slick

[21:00:16]

kormoc:

sphery, just wait for the animated fire

[21:00:19]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, would be cool

[21:00:25]

kormoc:

erm... visual communication!

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sphery:

kormoc: but that will use Flash, right? Everyone knows that Flash is uber-efficient.

[21:00:46]

kormoc:

tis true

[21:01:10]

sphery:

especially if you get a CrystalHD to decode the low-resolution, low-bitrate H.264

[21:01:29]

sphery:

then you only have to scale and composite the video in software on a frame-by-frame basis

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iamlindoro:

I hear if you have a CrystalHD, you can take off literally ones of percent CPU use

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iamlindoro:

in flash

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?topic=4758.0 Perfect Myth frontend?

[21:20:45]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

kick iamlindoro

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iamlindoro has been kicked from #mythtv-users by iamlindoro!~iamlindor@unaffiliated/iamlindoro (iamlindoro)

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wagnerrp:

well you should at least update the request for the 48G on the wiki

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iamlindoro:

I suppose

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sphery:

heh

[21:22:44]

sphery:

at least iamlindoro applies the rules consistently

[21:22:50]

iamlindoro:

true

[21:23:04]

iamlindoro:

But if I step over the line one more time...

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Beirdo:

sphery: I believe the term is "make it Enterprise quality"

[21:23:51]

kormoc:

Enterprisy

[21:24:05]

iamlindoro:

I caught a case of Enterprisy once

[21:24:10]

iamlindoro:

But there's a topical ointment

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sphery:

at least with Enterprisy, people don't see that you have it--unlike Ounterprisy

[21:24:55]

iamlindoro:

Exitprisy?

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sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

Speaking of enterprisy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs <-- NSFW but oh my gawd funny

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wagnerrp:

must be a DBA thing...

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** kormoc shifty eyes **

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Beirdo:

hehe

[21:29:14]

Beirdo:

that's pretty funny, actually

[21:29:43]

Beirdo:

pipe our data to /dev/null

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Criggie:

kormoc: "This video contains content from Comcast Entertainment Group, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. "

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Criggie:

kormoc: hillarious.

[21:30:02]

Beirdo:

hahahahah

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iamlindoro:

Shards are the secret ingredient in the web scale sauce!

[21:30:03]

kormoc:

that's crazy, that's entirely not true

[21:30:08]

sphery:

I had no idea how bad MySQL was. We need to switch to a MongoDB

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wagnerrp:

are shards anything like sharts?

[21:30:24]

wagnerrp:

i hate sharts

[21:30:29]

sphery:

good think kormoc noticed this

[21:30:41]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, when you deal with those 'WebScale only' folks, it's funny

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Beirdo:

this is grat stuff

[21:31:22]

wagnerrp:

yeah... so it was worth sitting through the first two minutes

[21:31:23]

kormoc:

sphery, Yes, We'll run Trac on MongoDB

[21:31:38]

sphery:

that too

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: do we need to send it candygrams?

[21:31:50]

sphery:

after all trac is on the web, so we /need/ WebScale

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sphery:

Land shark!

[21:32:27]

iamlindoro:

amusingly, TMDB uses MongoDB

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sphery:

heh

[21:32:53]

Beirdo:

nothing wrong with NoSQL for things it's good at, but my GOD...

[21:32:59]

sphery:

at least I haven't seen a Rails error on tmdb for a long time

[21:33:08]

kormoc:

Heh, I was showing my friend the other day the read rates I'm getting on some of my servers

[21:33:21]

kormoc:

150,000 reads per second isn't that uncommon

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Beirdo:

nice :0

[21:33:37]

iamlindoro:

Someone on the users list has no idea what a thread does

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Beirdo:

quick, give him commit access :)

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kormoc:

they're struggling with a few thousand per second on CouchDB, but it's better, cause there's no joins

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iamlindoro:

s/does/is/

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kormoc:

Beirdo, it's easy enough with a big enough bufferpool and decent hot spots

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Beirdo:

yeah, makes sense

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: he could well have a bunch of hosed child processes, which should be fixed in 0.24

[21:37:08]

Beirdo:

although... ditch the P3 :)

[21:37:28]

iamlindoro:

The child processes wouldn't show up as threads in a single process, though

[21:37:51]

Beirdo:

heh, true

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Beirdo:

I missed that he said threads.... although, it might actually be processes and he's crazy

[21:40:48]

Beirdo:

and yeah, we do have an amazing number of threads :)

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iamlindoro:

Many of which aren't necessarily using any CPU time at all

[21:41:20]

Beirdo:

precisely

[21:41:21]

iamlindoro:

ie the threads == CPU time argument is silly

[21:41:52]

Beirdo:

active threads, sure... context switching still eats CPU time

[21:42:06]

Beirdo:

but really... idle threads are pretty benign things

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sphery:

heh, I assumed he meant processes, too

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Beirdo:

the ps he listed does show threads

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sphery:

idle threads are the de***'s playground

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sphery:

I saw the movie--with Jessica Alba

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Beirdo:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

I see 20x on my mythbackend, but it doesn't *mean* anything

[21:43:39]

sphery:

I need to read in here before replying to any messages on the list to see what they're talking about

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sphery:

20x = 200-some?

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sphery:

or 20 times or?

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iamlindoro:

no, 20 threads

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sphery:

oh

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wagnerrp:

im wondering what hes doing that is pulling 30–40% CPU recording

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iamlindoro:

"running the system on a p3 900"

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sphery:

he's probably using Arclight on his backend

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iamlindoro:

(maybe with a framegrabber?)

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iamlindoro:

haha

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wagnerrp:

yeah, gotta be a framegrabber

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sphery:

wait, you're saying that it may not be possible to run a modern application at 0% or less CPU usage on an ancient system?

[21:46:06]

sphery:

when did that change?

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iamlindoro:

I really want to write a standard response that we can all cut and paste when someone is using ancient hardware that says something like "Your message has triggered this automatic e-mail. The purpose of this message is to warn you not to upgrade Myth any further, as the current date is 10/14/2010, and your hardware appears to have been manufactured before the discovery of fire."

[21:46:56]

sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sid3windr:

:D

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iamlindoro:

in fact...

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iamlindoro:

There. I'm a jerk.

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Beirdo:

hey, we didn't say it

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iamlindoro:

Wonder how many people will actually read it

[21:54:07]

Beirdo:

hehe, and how many hits Google will now get for MythLanguage

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

I'm amused

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m4xx:

i'm trying to use the stce65scan tool and it's saying it cant connect to the device. i've stopped the back end and it's still not working, when i look in lsof i dont see anything with /dev/dvb/adapter0 open, any ideas?

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m4xx:

*scte65scan

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kormoc:

are you sure your device is compatible with scte65scan?

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m4xx:

no

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m4xx:

how would i find out?

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m4xx:

i see someone else here http://www.acetylcholine.com/node/5739 has used it

[22:10:24]

m4xx:

hmm, what is hdhomerun?

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Silicondust_HDHomeRun

[22:12:41]

m4xx:

ah, so i was telling it to use the wrong card =\ why isn't it working =x

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m4xx:

if a friend of mine has comcast and has cable, can i get the VCT_ID from them?

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m4xx:

if they have a box and are local to me

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iamlindoro:

People on the list are such butt hurt little children

[22:38:59]

iamlindoro:

Unless you are bowing and scraping to answer the question EXACTLY how they want it, in a tone that is completely deferential, you are officially hitler

[22:39:03]

high-rez:

You clearly love the userbase. :)

[22:39:31]

iamlindoro:

high-rez, Heh, just saying that *sometimes* (and not all the time) the answer is "we can't support your hardware any more."

[22:39:54]

iamlindoro:

If 10 years on is too soon, when *will* it be okay for us to say that modern myth won't run acceptably on a processor?

[22:40:03]

sphery:

iamlindoro: also, for maximum approval from the list, don't constrain yourself by sticking to things like the truth or facts

[22:40:03]

Beirdo:

Sig Heil!

[22:40:13]

iamlindoro:

To give perspective, the hardware was built before Myth's first public release

[22:40:15]

high-rez:

The 386sx25 is still a very valid piece of hardware dude.

[22:40:26]

high-rez:

Just need to add a math coprocessor.

[22:40:32]

Beirdo:

sure, but don't try running MythTV on it

[22:40:50]

high-rez:

Beirdo: That was uhh. Tongue in cheek.

[22:41:01]

sphery:

just parrot the response the user is looking for--even if it's completely untrue or impossible--and then when the user says they still can't make it work after you verified it's a good plan, let someone else reply

[22:41:19]

sphery:

eventually, maybe the user will get the idea that it's a completely workable solution, but the user himself is to blame for failing to succeed?

[22:41:41]

sphery:

iamlindoro: /very/ good point about the PIII/900 being pre-MythTV release

[22:41:50]

sphery:

pre-MythTV /first/ release

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high-rez:

sphery: Or when they can't make it work, belittle them and call it user error :)

[22:42:21]

sphery:

well, then people will call you a jerk

[22:43:52]

sphery:

high-rez: remember, also, that neither the 386SX /nor/ the 386DX has an FPU. The difference was that the DX supported PAE and the SX didn't

[22:44:17]

sphery:

both needed a 387 if you wanted the FPU

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high-rez:

No kiddin? I thought for some reason the DX had an FPU. Was about on the 486?

[22:44:53]

Beirdo:

P3–900 was viable for 0.16 or so... barely

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Beirdo:

if using as a combo

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sphery:

high-rez: the 486SX vs DX was the one that differed by exclusion/inclusion of the FPU

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high-rez:

Aha

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iamlindoro:

I made the point of p3/900 = 1999, Myth's first release = 2001... let's see if anyone sees reason

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sphery:

high-rez: I had a 386DX/16MHz in college--exactly the same as a EE friend. He wanted a floating-point unit, so he came by to ask me what he needed to get, and I told him, "You need a 387DX/16MHz. The salesman will tell you that you want a 387SX/16MHz, but you don't. Whatever you do, do not get a 387SX/16MHz." About 8 hours later he came by for help installing his coprocessor. I asked if he got the DX, he said, "Well, the ...

[22:48:16]

sphery:

... salesman told me I needed an SX, and wouldn't sell me the DX. I just can't make it work." I told him I was suprised that it even fit, and he said, "Well, a few of the pins may have broken."

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sphery:

Fortunately, he was able to take the completely mangled 387SX back to the store, tell the saleman, "See, I really /did/ need a 387DX/16MHz," and they accepted the exchange at no cost.

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high-rez:

Yikes.

[22:49:13]

sphery:

it was actually quite funny

[22:49:30]

high-rez:

Did you ever use one of those ISA cards that you could use as RAM expanders ?

[22:50:07]

sphery:

I had a 2MB one.

[22:50:10]

sphery:

that was one huge board

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iamlindoro:

I installed my RAM by hand with a chip inserter... 4 MB, baby!

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iamlindoro:

Came in a tube

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iamlindoro:

Bought my coprocessor at Egghead Software, heh

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sphery:

high-rez: I also got Windows/386 version 2.11 with my system. Wrote to MS to tell them it was awful. They sent me a voucher for a free upgrade to Windows 3.0

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m4xx:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Scte65scan#The_scte65scan_tool says examining the output might help you find the VCT_ID

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sphery:

I ended up having the buy the upgrade to 3.1 to get the TrueType font support

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m4xx:

what exactly would i be looking for?

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sphery:

ah, the old days

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m4xx:

i see a bunch of lines like: tuning 771000000hz.locked...PID 0x1ffc timeout. is the 0x1ffc the vct_id?

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iamlindoro:

no, that's the PID the CTE 65 tables would be on if they were present

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iamlindoro:

Do you have a specific reason for using SCTE65scan?

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iamlindoro:

Is comcast issuing DTAs in your area?

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m4xx:

i'm not sure.

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iamlindoro:

So you're using it... why?

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m4xx:

my schedules direct does not match up with any of the channels i scanned.

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iamlindoro:

That's something *you* fix

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iamlindoro:

you go through each channel and edit in the XMLTVis

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iamlindoro:

er XMLTVid

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Saviq:

^^ easy to do in mythweb

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iamlindoro:

yep

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iamlindoro:

use mythweb

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m4xx:

how do i know what channel is what?

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iamlindoro:

browse to a channel, figure out what it is, find the xmltv on SD, insert into the channel editor, repeat

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iamlindoro:

the XMLTVid's are accessible on Schedules Direct using the "report" function or by hovering over a channel in the editor

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sphery:

Beirdo: very nice reply

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sphery:

seems too many people forget it's free and open source code for a reason

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m4xx:

also, when i scan, i get a bunch of conflicting channels, and i only have basic cable at the moment, should i ignore them? or do the insert manually. on my tv when i scanned for channels there are a bunch of channels that seem to be broadcasting the same hting

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iamlindoro:

if you are getting conflicting channels, then you need to upgrade to current .23-fixes

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m4xx:

could that be what all the conflicting channels are

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iamlindoro:

and then you won't have conflicting channels any more

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iamlindoro:

upgrade and rescan, that is

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Beirdo:

if people wanna use a P3 and want the code more slim... do the work, find out where the issue is and propose a fix.

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Beirdo:

I'm not gonna go buy an old POS to do it

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Beirdo:

give us patches that help them, and don't break the common case, I see no reason why we wouldn't consider them

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Beirdo:

but that's not our focus. :)

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wagnerrp:

wow... away for an hour and that thread just goes out of control

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sphery:

exact;u

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sphery:

er, exactly

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sphery:

I think I need a new keyboard... I've worn the bumps on my f and j keys down, so it's hard to find my home keys

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sphery:

after considering that statement, I think I need to amend it to read, "I think I need to get a life. I spend way too much time on my computer."

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re4s0n4:

acceptance is key

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** Beirdo hands the trout to sphery **

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Beirdo:

go slap that guy about Atoms :)

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Beirdo:

you know ya wanna

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sphery:

!trout get-a-life sphery

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** MythLogBot slaps get-a-life with a sphery trout on behalf of sphery... **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

d'oh

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sphery:

I never get that right

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Beirdo:

LOL

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Beirdo:

that's priceless

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sphery:

you'd think with all this time I spend on the computer, I might have caught on by now

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Beirdo:

heh, never

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iamlindoro:

!trout sphery get-a-life-and-pay-attention

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** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a get-a-life-and-pay-attention trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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Beirdo:

there's no fun in that

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iamlindoro:

there, I helped!

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Beirdo:

!trout sphery it's pretty easy

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** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a it's pretty easy trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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sphery:

heh

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m4xx:

where would i find out what the latest fix version is?

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sphery:

0.23-fixes version?

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sphery:

it's technically 0.23-fixes revision 26780

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sphery:

though anything at revision 26732 or higher is identical

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FredYerkes:

Hi – making a dvd from a recording fails with "ERR: Cannot jump to chapter 2 of title 1, only 1 exist" can I fix this somehow?

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FredYerkes:

one page mentions upgrading to Replex-0.1.4 ?

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iamlindoro:

fricking people

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iamlindoro:

"I'd like to know what each and every thread in the backend is doing. Explain it to me"

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clever:

id love to know that too, but i just hack VERBOSE to print the threadid so i can see it

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FredYerkes:

making a dvd from a recording fails with "ERR: Cannot jump to chapter 2 of title 1, only 1 exist" how can this be resolved?

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iamlindoro:

We saw the question 16 minutes ago

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iamlindoro:

and only 2 out of 191 people have entered since

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iamlindoro:

please be patient

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russell5:

i really hate having to use a ir transmitter never works and always stops working at the drop of a hat

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sphery:

FredYerkes: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8438

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FredYerkes:

sphery: thanks, I added `command += "-maxrate 9200000 -bufsize 1835008 -strict 2 "` to mythburn.py and am re-running it now

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FredYerkes:

russell5: I have two models of CommandIR that I'll sell you dirt cheap, never could get them to work :(

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russell5:

lol

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