| Tuesday, October 12th, 2010, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:13] | xcrracer_: | interesting. do you know why mythbuntu would lead me to believe that I can upgrade? |
| [00:00:25] | Shadow__X: | sphery: terrible. They are really keeping the new ideas flowing |
| [00:00:34] | sphery: | heh |
| [00:00:45] | keith__: | My "Backend Status" page has suddenly stopped reporting anything, proclaiming that it cannot connect to port 6544. Everything else seems okay, though. Thoughts? |
| [00:01:07] | wagnerrp: | xcrracer_: because of limitations in the way ubuntu handles package number means the easiest thing for them to call it was '0.24' |
| [00:01:13] | sphery: | the really annoying thing is that TV.com and the captiosn both spell her character's name "Sara Walker", but they clearly show a cell phone screen with her picture and the name "Sarah Walker" |
| [00:01:20] | wagnerrp: | but it is still version-less trunk |
| [00:02:03] | sphery: | so I don't know if that's supposed to mean that the victim who owned the cell phone misspelled her friend's name--a critical plot element, I'm sure--or if TV.com and the captions are just wrong |
| [00:02:27] | sphery: | keith__: sounds like your backend is not running or is wedged |
| [00:02:30] | sphery: | try restarting |
| [00:03:03] | Beirdo: | "this is the highest resolution phone screen ever"... until next year |
| [00:03:04] | xcrracer_: | ok. so is the only real way to test the development version via svn? |
| [00:03:07] | Beirdo: | stupid ads |
| [00:03:08] | Shadow__X: | sphery: i think the thing to focus here is that atleast your not watching csi miami |
| [00:03:23] | keith__: | sphery, yah, but it is running... i was just watching a recording, after all. And restarting the daemon doesn't seem to make a difference |
| [00:03:25] | Beirdo: | I am watching CSI: Miami |
| [00:03:38] | sphery: | Shadow__X: heh |
| [00:03:54] | sphery: | I actually like it--it's about the foreign country just down the road from me |
| [00:04:12] | Beirdo: | Cuba-lite |
| [00:04:23] | sphery: | keith__: then mythweb config needs fixing to specify the right db info? |
| [00:04:27] | Shadow__X: | Beirdo: which phone was the ad for. Also there is a new phone perhaps sharp that has a the same res screen as the iphone 4 if i am not mistaken |
| [00:04:38] | Beirdo: | iPhone 4 of course |
| [00:04:39] | keith__: | oh, weird... the pid file is missing |
| [00:04:52] | sphery: | Shadow__X: oooh, I hope so |
| [00:05:05] | sphery: | because that /is/ a very annoying commercial |
| [00:05:33] | keith__: | ha. so the "restart" i did... didn't actually do anything, because it couldn't find the PID. restarting now... |
| [00:05:41] | Shadow__X: | yeah but i wonder how long it would of taken a nother manufacturer to increase their res on their panels if they didnt htrow it in your face |
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| [00:05:46] | wagnerrp: | xcrracer_: the 0.24 mythbuntu builds /is/ trunk, however it is not 0.24, as there is no 0.24 |
| [00:06:02] | Beirdo: | Shadow__X: not long, I'm sure |
| [00:06:07] | keith__: | sphery, much better. thanks! |
| [00:06:23] | xcrracer_: | thanks |
| [00:06:53] | sphery: | well, everyone knows that a 3.5" screen needs to have at least 326dpi |
| [00:07:11] | Shadow__X: | Beirdo: eh i dont know the motorola droid came out in november 2009 and still even new phones that are released dont have a higher res. |
| [00:07:11] | wagnerrp: | sphery: if im holding it a foot from my face, absolutely |
| [00:07:13] | sphery: | after all, when I put my phone 2" from my face, I can see some pixels |
| [00:07:43] | wagnerrp: | you can see 326dpi from a foot without a problem |
| [00:07:48] | sphery: | and, really, they should just make them 1920x1080 so I can watch "true" HDTV on my 2.5" screen |
| [00:07:51] | Beirdo: | Motorola Droid ain't Apple |
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| [00:08:25] | Beirdo: | Apple's arrogance inspires others to one-up them |
| [00:08:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I've heard lower numbers--like 286dpi at 12in and 344 at 10in |
| [00:09:02] | Virindi: | why is it that in newer versions of myth I can't delete a recording while commercial detection is running :\ |
| [00:09:10] | sphery: | but--and maybe I'm jsut strange--I actually hold my phone a comfortable distance from my eyes while using it |
| [00:09:21] | Shadow__X: | Beirdo: yes but my point was that other than the sharp phone that still hasnt been fully released to my knowledge the androids phones available in the states just match the resolution. Yeah my point was atleast with apple shoving their "retina display" in your face with ads it makes other companies work harder to compete |
| [00:09:25] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im good for probably 400–500dpi at one foot |
| [00:09:26] | Beirdo: | what, touching yer nose? |
| [00:09:53] | wagnerrp: | i have no trouble picking out individual pixels at over arm's length on my ~100dpi monitor |
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| [00:09:57] | sphery: | besides, anyone who's focusing on individual pixels really isn't using the phone right |
| [00:10:03] | sphery: | you're supposed to see what's on the screen |
| [00:10:09] | Sp0tter: | i'm trying to setup myth, but i'm having a hard time getting the backend to see my tuner.. i have a usb tuner stick that is recognized when i plug it in and the dvb loads em28xx-dvb successfully. I put /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 in the device box but it can't prove it |
| [00:10:14] | Sp0tter: | probe* it, any suggestions? |
| [00:10:14] | sphery: | to do that, you need to focus appropriately |
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| [00:10:26] | Beirdo: | sphery: it's for the phone pr0n |
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| [00:10:36] | sphery: | heh |
| [00:10:49] | sphery: | not on the iPhone--after all Steve won't let that happen |
| [00:10:53] | wagnerrp: | Sp0tter: do you actually have a /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 on your filesystem? |
| [00:10:58] | johnf1911: | higher DPI makes text look a lot better |
| [00:11:06] | wagnerrp: | johnf1911++ |
| [00:11:10] | Sp0tter: | wagnerrp: yes tahts where i got the name from |
| [00:11:15] | johnf1911: | I was quite impressed with my BB9700 |
| [00:11:24] | Beirdo: | sphery: sure you can, just gotta use da browser :) |
| [00:11:27] | sphery: | yes, but my point is, why do you need text on a phone screen to look a lot better |
| [00:11:30] | johnf1911: | I think that's 200 DPI or something |
| [00:11:31] | Sp0tter: | wagnerrp: i have /dev/dvb/adapter0/[demux0 dvr0 frontend0 net0] |
| [00:11:34] | sphery: | it's just a phone |
| [00:11:35] | wagnerrp: | Sp0tter: are the permissions set up such that mythtv-setup has access to it? |
| [00:11:45] | ** sphery pines for his old character-based display cell phone ** | |
| [00:11:49] | Beirdo: | just a phone?!? |
| [00:11:49] | johnf1911: | because my job involves using it for email all the fucking time? |
| [00:11:56] | Sp0tter: | wagnerrp: i'll try running it as root, un momento |
| [00:11:57] | Beirdo: | you are SO not an iPhone user :) |
| [00:12:01] | wagnerrp: | johnf1911: language |
| [00:12:02] | sphery: | language plese |
| [00:12:07] | johnf1911: | my apologies |
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| [00:12:25] | wagnerrp: | sphery: that kind of thinking is why were stuck at 1920x1080 |
| [00:12:26] | johnf1911: | Beirdo: did you see my ivtc question from the other day? |
| [00:12:32] | wagnerrp: | people think its 'good enough' |
| [00:12:49] | Sp0tter: | wagnerrp: got it |
| [00:12:51] | johnf1911: | digital cinema 4k et all are coming along soon enough |
| [00:12:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: no, we're stuck at 1920x1080 because of the policies and regulations that make it impossible to change the format of TV |
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| [00:13:01] | johnf1911: | the television industry wants to move more panels |
| [00:13:01] | Sp0tter: | thanks for the tip, not sure if that was it or if i jsut didn't hit right arrow before |
| [00:13:06] | Sp0tter: | but it was /dev/video0 that needed to go in that box |
| [00:13:07] | Beirdo: | the other day? like I remember the other day |
| [00:13:09] | johnf1911: | exceuse me, not television, content |
| [00:13:13] | Sp0tter: | and it probed it correctly as the KWorld |
| [00:13:23] | johnf1911: | Beirdo: well I was going to re-ask it, naturally :) |
| [00:13:29] | sphery: | NTSC had a good 40-yr lifetime, then 20 years of transition to ATSC :) |
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| [00:13:43] | sphery: | so in 40 more, we'll update the spec to a higher res |
| [00:13:44] | johnf1911: | the HD-PVR outputs 60fps (At least with my Bell (aka dish network) STB |
| [00:13:51] | Beirdo: | sphery: just like IPv4->IPv6 :) |
| [00:13:54] | wagnerrp: | sphery: theres no reason why you cant run at a higher resolution than the content |
| [00:14:06] | sphery: | really, though, I still think 1920x1080 is overkill |
| [00:14:13] | johnf1911: | I want to transcode it, removing commercials |
| [00:14:24] | johnf1911: | and bring it down to native frame rate |
| [00:14:27] | wagnerrp: | especially with TVs gaining far more capability than just broadcast playback |
| [00:14:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: true, and for best image quality (to use /all/ the info in the signal), you need about 4x the pixels as the source material |
| [00:14:37] | johnf1911: | so, my two questions are, how can I tell what native frame rate is |
| [00:14:43] | k-man: | why is it sometimes a particular message on the mailing list seems to have multiple copies of itself? |
| [00:14:44] | Beirdo: | you can't |
| [00:15:01] | k-man: | like on mythtv-users, the message titled: Mythvideo (metadata) |
| [00:15:03] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, 3840x2160 displays would be ideal--given a processor capable of extracting said info from signal |
| [00:15:18] | Beirdo: | some shows are film-rate, some 30fps, some 60fps |
| [00:15:26] | wagnerrp: | and westinghouse made such a display before they went under |
| [00:15:26] | Beirdo: | i.e. filmed at |
| [00:15:28] | sphery: | but then again, "1:1 pixel mapping gives the best picture possible"--I know this because I saw people say it on the interwebs |
| [00:15:40] | johnf1911: | and can nuvexport handle ivtc |
| [00:15:48] | Shadow__X: | i wish lcd monitors above wuxga didnt have to be around 1k |
| [00:15:58] | johnf1911: | Beirdo: yeah, most native HD shows appear to be 24p (at least as released by our friends in the scene) |
| [00:16:01] | Beirdo: | johnf1911: it uses "normal" de-interlace |
| [00:16:09] | sphery: | k-man: I think that one was actually sent 2x |
| [00:16:09] | wagnerrp: | id much rather see higher resolution displays than '3d' |
| [00:16:18] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I will agree with you there |
| [00:16:21] | Beirdo: | I don't care what the pirates say, either ;) |
| [00:16:30] | sphery: | definition makes more sense than dimensions |
| [00:16:45] | johnf1911: | lol |
| [00:16:49] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: abosulutely |
| [00:16:50] | johnf1911: | so there is no easy way to tell then? |
| [00:17:07] | sphery: | johnf1911: ffmpeg -i /path/to/file |
| [00:17:15] | Beirdo: | anyways, nuvexport doesn't do ivtc or any other frame-rate changes, except if the output requires a given rate |
| [00:17:27] | Beirdo: | sphery: that only says what rate the file is, not the source |
| [00:17:41] | Beirdo: | there's no real way to determine that programatically |
| [00:17:49] | johnf1911: | wagnerrp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0m1XmvBey8 here, now all you need is an output device that can support the original 4k resolution |
| [00:18:03] | sphery: | wagnerrp: actually, my argument during the whole ATSC transition was that we should have gone digital 480p with high-resolution panels, like our current 1920x1080 ones |
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| [00:18:42] | sphery: | and then as tech progressed, we could have upgraded from digital 480p to digital 720p or 1080p or ... |
| [00:18:51] | Beirdo: | 10000p |
| [00:18:53] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [00:19:06] | Beirdo: | be nice for the wall-display |
| [00:19:12] | sphery: | instead of trying to bite the whole thing off at once and making it so expensive and impossible and disruptive that the public will never allow another upgrade in their lifetimes |
| [00:19:14] | wagnerrp: | johnf1911: any modern graphics card can handle 4K outputs |
| [00:19:37] | Beirdo: | sphery: it's not THAT expensive anymore |
| [00:19:50] | Sp0tter: | i'm confused about the top box for the video capture card type in mythtv-setup, it only has 4 or 5 options and none seem to be what i want.. i have a usb kworld digital only tuner for atsc and clearqam |
| [00:20:00] | sphery: | Beirdo: ah, yeah, the actual source rate is harder to determine--for that, the internet is best to find how it was filmed |
| [00:20:01] | wagnerrp: | their render-able space is all at least 4Kx4K |
| [00:20:03] | Beirdo: | less than $1k for a decent 1080p display |
| [00:20:08] | wagnerrp: | and with DVI, all you care about is bandwidth |
| [00:20:13] | Sp0tter: | it has cablebox firewire, dtv, external usb homerun, and one other |
| [00:20:16] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah, not expensive now, because some suckers (like me) had to pay a fortune for their systems years ago |
| [00:20:18] | Sp0tter: | itv or something |
| [00:20:21] | wagnerrp: | you can run whatever resolution you want at reduced framerate |
| [00:20:34] | sphery: | at the point I bought my TV, the video processor was about $500 |
| [00:20:34] | Beirdo: | not expensive now because the FCC forced it |
| [00:20:51] | sphery: | and I"m not even using that processor |
| [00:21:00] | Beirdo: | once they make em in bulk, the price drops |
| [00:21:05] | sphery: | true |
| [00:21:06] | Shadow__X: | Beirdo: i was refering to higher than 1920x1200 |
| [00:21:11] | wagnerrp: | Sp0tter: you want 'DVB' |
| [00:21:29] | johnf1911: | wagnerrp: indeed, but I said output device; a 4096x2160 panel |
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| [00:21:37] | sphery: | but once you decide to pick a format that's on the edge of technical feasibility, you choose the most expensive approach for a transition possible |
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| [00:21:50] | Sp0tter: | wagnerrp: the only DVB option says "analog dvb" |
| [00:21:55] | wagnerrp: | johnf1911: sure, those arent that hard to come by |
| [00:21:59] | Sp0tter: | wagnerrp: thtas what's throwing me off i think |
| [00:22:06] | sphery: | so, had we gone with 480p--which didn't take significantly powerful, exotic hardware--we could have made the digital transition cheaply |
| [00:22:10] | wagnerrp: | Sp0tter: erm, no... there is no such thing as 'analog dvb' |
| [00:22:23] | sphery: | then just allow new formats as tech progresses |
| [00:22:40] | Sp0tter: | wagnerrp: oh oops.. its "dvb dtv" for direct tv satalight |
| [00:22:41] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: as the D stands for Digital :) |
| [00:22:44] | Sp0tter: | wagnerrp: is that the one? |
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| [00:22:59] | wagnerrp: | Sp0tter: no, that is for 'digital tv' |
| [00:23:03] | wagnerrp: | not 'direct tv' |
| [00:23:07] | sphery: | oh, and don't start me on the whole, "My tax dollars bought HDTV converter boxes for millions of cable TV users," thing |
| [00:23:16] | wagnerrp: | it is for any card run through the Linux DVB subsystem |
| [00:23:18] | Beirdo: | sphery: meh |
| [00:23:25] | wagnerrp: | such as your kworld card |
| [00:23:27] | johnf1911: | wagnerrp: so you own one personally? |
| [00:23:30] | Beirdo: | your tax dollars... pish |
| [00:23:40] | Beirdo: | the boxes are worth $10 ma |
| [00:23:42] | Beirdo: | max |
| [00:23:56] | wagnerrp: | johnf1911: not personally, but they are available, usually for medical imaging |
| [00:23:57] | Beirdo: | your tax dollars made the manufacturers rich, that is all |
| [00:24:10] | sphery: | yeah |
| [00:24:12] | wagnerrp: | 2K screens at as small as 22" |
| [00:24:16] | sphery: | and that whole thing shouldn't have happened |
| [00:24:23] | johnf1911: | wagnerrp: indeed, though the last time I looked at anything near that res it ran 10k a hit |
| [00:24:37] | Beirdo: | sphery: gouging shouldn't happen |
| [00:24:39] | sphery: | especially since a huge number of people got those coupons and had no need for them |
| [00:24:59] | Beirdo: | I didn't get one, and bought a box for $25 at Sams Club |
| [00:25:27] | sphery: | yeah, well, I know a list of a ton of people who got 2 coupons and have cable TV and do not have any antennas |
| [00:25:33] | sphery: | and they put them in the closet |
| [00:25:41] | Beirdo: | if I'd gotten the "I'm poor" coupon, I coulda got it free |
| [00:25:47] | sphery: | because, "Well, if they're free, I better get them" |
| [00:26:24] | Beirdo: | yeah well |
| [00:27:31] | Sp0tter: | its not finding any channels, do i need to apply this patch: http://git.linuxtv.org/v4l-dvb.git?a=commitdi . . . 1bd6903b0150 by Jarod Wilson for the KWorld, or how do i tell if that patch from March has already been included in the main version |
| [00:28:24] | wagnerrp: | Sp0tter: are you trying to record off broadcast or cable? |
| [00:28:41] | Sp0tter: | wagnerrp: either |
| [00:28:54] | Sp0tter: | wagnerrp: right now i have it pligged into cable, where i can get like 40 channels from the windows comptuer wtih it |
| [00:29:05] | Sp0tter: | wagnerrp: but i also tried atsc and got nothign |
| [00:29:19] | wagnerrp: | are you scanning 'qam-256'? |
| [00:29:23] | Beirdo: | cable != ATSC |
| [00:29:33] | Sp0tter: | i know, the atsc is the broadcast right? |
| [00:29:36] | Sp0tter: | why it not pick up any of those? |
| [00:29:47] | wagnerrp: | because youre plugged into the cable |
| [00:29:50] | wagnerrp: | the cable line is not an antenna |
| [00:29:54] | Sp0tter: | really? |
| [00:30:02] | Sp0tter: | i thought that would work as an atenna, learning a lot here hehe |
| [00:30:10] | Sp0tter: | ok let me fix this brb |
| [00:30:32] | wagnerrp: | you see that big hunk of white stuff, surrounded by a bunch of wire thread? |
| [00:30:43] | wagnerrp: | thats to make sure the coaxial cable DOES NOT act like an antenna |
| [00:30:57] | wagnerrp: | if it acted like an antenna, your video quality would be garbage |
| [00:31:12] | Beirdo: | well, it does... but a VERY crappy one |
| [00:31:13] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:31:38] | Beirdo: | i.e. you'd have to be exceedingly close to the transmitter. |
| [00:31:51] | Sp0tter: | Beirdo: yea i knew it wasn't a good one, but i thought iw ould get "somethiong" |
| [00:32:02] | wagnerrp: | no, its digital |
| [00:32:03] | Beirdo: | if you want "get something"... |
| [00:32:08] | wagnerrp: | you get everything, or you get nothing |
| [00:32:12] | Beirdo: | try a metal wire hanger |
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| [00:32:14] | wagnerrp: | there is very little range in between |
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| [00:32:25] | Sp0tter: | its scanning the qam256 now, nothing so far |
| [00:32:46] | wagnerrp: | chances are anything unencrypted digital on your cable line is in the 70+ channel range |
| [00:33:14] | Sp0tter: | i wish it gave some kind of progress or working indicated |
| [00:33:19] | Sp0tter: | says "scanning" at the top of the screen but nothing else |
| [00:33:35] | Sp0tter: | with the atsc it told what channel it was scanning |
| [00:33:38] | wagnerrp: | yes, there is a progress bar, and it tells you what channel it is on |
| [00:33:45] | Sp0tter: | hmm maybe its not really doing it |
| [00:33:51] | Beirdo: | what version of mythtv? |
| [00:35:34] | Sp0tter: | ah its going now |
| [00:35:40] | Sp0tter: | i had it on Broadcast + qam256 |
| [00:35:43] | Sp0tter: | instead of cable frequency |
| [00:35:45] | Sp0tter: | dumb i know.. |
| [00:35:49] | Sp0tter: | thanks for the help and patience :) |
| [00:36:00] | Beirdo: | !salmon Sp0tter |
| [00:36:00] | ** MythLogBot plants a salmon upside the head of Sp0tter on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [00:36:02] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [00:40:25] | Beirdo: | OK, what just added channel 70 back to my channel listing? |
| [00:40:34] | Sp0tter: | my bad |
| [00:41:50] | Sp0tter: | still scanning away |
| [00:42:03] | Sp0tter: | i was bored... i thought adding your channel 70 would make the time go by |
| [00:42:17] | Beirdo: | it's not in my schedulesdirect listing |
| [00:42:34] | Beirdo: | I deleted it there, and from my channels |
| [00:42:37] | Beirdo: | and it came back |
| [00:42:55] | johnf1911: | by default |
| [00:42:58] | johnf1911: | "new" channels |
| [00:43:00] | johnf1911: | will be added |
| [00:43:06] | johnf1911: | there is a setting to disable this |
| [00:43:07] | Beirdo: | it's not a "new" channel |
| [00:43:17] | Beirdo: | it's an "old" channel that I already removed |
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| [00:45:36] | Beirdo: | 2010-10–11 17:45:19.633 DataDirect: Adding channel 70 'HBO HD' (HBOHD). |
| [00:45:39] | Beirdo: | WHY! |
| [00:45:57] | sphery: | did you take it off your Schedules Direct lineup? |
| [00:46:04] | Beirdo: | it's not there |
| [00:46:17] | wagnerrp: | analog channels are automatically added, digital are not |
| [00:46:18] | sphery: | mythfilldatabase adds new channels to analog sources when you don't use --remove-new-channels |
| [00:46:24] | Beirdo: | goes from 51 to 71 |
| [00:46:29] | sphery: | but this is HD-PVR, so it's analog |
| [00:46:34] | Beirdo: | this is a digital source |
| [00:46:41] | sphery: | if it's HD-PVR it's analog |
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| [00:46:53] | Beirdo: | fine, whatever, it's "satellite" |
| [00:46:59] | johnf1911: | mythfilldatabase --remove-new-channels |
| [00:47:04] | johnf1911: | I think this may be what you want |
| [00:47:07] | Beirdo: | and 70 isn't in the listing on SD |
| [00:47:13] | johnf1911: | though if you removed it from schedules direct |
| [00:47:15] | Beirdo: | so where's it getting this from? |
| [00:47:17] | johnf1911: | you wouldn't expect to see it |
| [00:47:19] | sphery: | might want to reset the lineup at schedules direct |
| [00:47:38] | Beirdo: | Yeah, I think so |
| [00:51:41] | Beirdo: | reset, let's try this again (after redeleting the bad channel) |
| [00:53:28] | Beirdo: | if this doesn't work, I'll just hide the channel |
| [00:54:57] | Beirdo: | OK, I didn't see it readding it |
| [00:55:06] | Sp0tter: | hmm so i scanned the channels, got plenty, restarted the backend, ran mythfilldatabase, started the front end.. and it gets "video frame buffer failed too many times" when i choose liveTV |
| [00:55:21] | Sp0tter: | what does that indicate |
| [00:55:32] | Beirdo: | I noticed because it went and scheduled on that channel. heh |
| [00:55:51] | Beirdo: | Sp0tter: did you set the initial channel? |
| [00:56:02] | Sp0tter: | no but i scrolled through them and picked a local one |
| [00:56:03] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah, I think in the past, some people have had issues like that when the broadcaster's lineup changes |
| [00:56:03] | Sp0tter: | before it fails |
| [00:56:06] | Sp0tter: | it never actually loads the channel |
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| [00:56:50] | sphery: | Sp0tter: look at your backend log |
| [00:56:51] | Beirdo: | sphery: yeah, as soon as you mentioned the reset, I recalled that :) |
| [00:56:57] | sphery: | probably says why it can't record |
| [00:57:05] | sphery: | cool, hope it's fixed |
| [00:57:24] | wagnerrp: | i really need to figure out why update events arent being recognized by mythfs |
| [00:57:24] | sphery: | btw, do they actually have a "reset" button or anything |
| [00:57:30] | sphery: | or do you just delete and re-add the lineup? |
| [00:57:35] | wagnerrp: | having to remount to watch an in-progress recording sucks |
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| [00:57:52] | Beirdo: | there's "Re-Add All Lineups" |
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| [00:58:00] | Beirdo: | then you edit and tweak |
| [00:58:00] | sphery: | ah, cool |
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| [00:59:57] | Sp0tter: | sphery: i dont see any errors in the backendlog.. it just ahs a bunch of 2010-10–11 20:59:08.994 ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '1001_20101011205852.mpg' |
| [01:00:00] | Sp0tter: | type things |
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| [01:00:13] | Beirdo: | hey look... CSI: NY... had the same phone I have |
| [01:00:16] | sphery: | Sp0tter: pastebin the backend logs, please |
| [01:01:22] | Beirdo: | 186326 repeats. |
| [01:01:23] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:02:04] | sphery: | repeats on TV in the next 2 weeks on your lineup? |
| [01:02:08] | sphery: | that's a lot of reruns |
| [01:03:00] | Sp0tter: | http://pastebin.com/E5fpTHzK |
| [01:03:06] | Beirdo: | yep |
| [01:03:29] | Sp0tter: | does that mean its just not starting on a valid channel? |
| [01:03:40] | Beirdo: | I have the same lineup imported twice (DirecTV and DirecTV HD) and then the OTA |
| [01:04:09] | Beirdo: | in case I needed to manually tweak the SD DirecTV |
| [01:06:29] | Beirdo: | so far I haven't needed to, but it was a worry |
| [01:07:10] | sphery: | Sp0tter: I don't see anything that stands out in there |
| [01:07:14] | Beirdo: | and since I collapsed the matching HD/SD into one channum/callsign |
| [01:07:32] | Beirdo: | I can likely dump the SD only one anyways |
| [01:08:08] | Sp0tter: | sphery: i just created a channelg roup and added the local channels to it with no wildcard chans and set that as my default group |
| [01:08:10] | sphery: | other than some weird stuff like 2010-10–11 20:46:39.126 recording already exists... and 2010-10–11 20:46:39.304 Finished recording Unknown: channel 1001 |
| [01:08:11] | Sp0tter: | now it says "error opening jump file" |
| [01:08:14] | Beirdo: | I only have one exception to that, where OTA has the same in either HD or SD, and I don't want it using the 7_2, only 7_1 which = 7 on directv |
| [01:08:14] | Sp0tter: | when i go to watch live tv |
| [01:08:17] | sphery: | where are you getting your guide data |
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| [01:08:35] | sphery: | "error opening jump file" means that the file that the frontend was told contains the recording doesn't exist |
| [01:08:42] | sphery: | (typically) |
| [01:09:05] | sphery: | meaning that the cards aren't providing the backend any data, so it doesn't have anything to write |
| [01:09:32] | sphery: | this can happen because of invalid tuning info or broken capture card drivers or a number of other things |
| [01:09:47] | sphery: | how are you getting your guide data? |
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| [01:10:30] | ** Beirdo hands sphery the cattle prod ** | |
| [01:10:36] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:10:42] | Sp0tter: | sphery: i don't have any guide data |
| [01:10:48] | Sp0tter: | i jsut did a channel search to scan all |
| [01:10:49] | sphery: | are you in teh US? |
| [01:10:56] | sphery: | or north america, at least |
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| [01:11:17] | Sp0tter: | yea |
| [01:11:19] | Sp0tter: | US |
| [01:11:23] | Sp0tter: | oh sweet, i got a channel |
| [01:11:33] | sphery: | I highly recommend signing up for a free 1-week trial at http://www.schedulesdirect.org/ |
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| [01:11:50] | sphery: | and then you may want to use: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 to re-configure input connections |
| [01:11:57] | Sp0tter: | roger |
| [01:12:17] | Sp0tter: | not paying $20 for scheduling |
| [01:12:25] | Sp0tter: | don't tehy broadcast scheduling over the air? |
| [01:12:27] | Sp0tter: | for the atsc |
| [01:12:32] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [01:12:35] | sphery: | was going to say if you were using EIT it seems you're not getting data, which could indicate a problem with your capture drivers |
| [01:12:51] | sphery: | $20/yr for listings data is $0.06/day |
| [01:12:53] | Sp0tter: | i'm going to paly with it a little more |
| [01:12:55] | Sp0tter: | $20 is too much |
| [01:13:03] | sphery: | so, you want to spend how much of your own time typing in listings data |
| [01:13:07] | Sp0tter: | none |
| [01:13:08] | sphery: | to save $0.06/day? |
| [01:13:09] | Sp0tter: | its for my g/f |
| [01:13:10] | Sp0tter: | i dont watch tv |
| [01:13:29] | Beirdo: | your GF will be glad to know that $20/yr is too much to spend on her ;) |
| [01:13:36] | sphery: | well, MythTV is a luxury DVR, so if $20 is off-putting, you may want to check out something else |
| [01:13:36] | Sp0tter: | meh |
| [01:13:48] | Sp0tter: | i don't care about the dvr part |
| [01:13:51] | Sp0tter: | just wanted to be able to view tv |
| [01:13:55] | Sp0tter: | for her |
| [01:14:01] | sphery: | if that's the case, you /definitely/ want to check out something else |
| [01:14:07] | k-man: | is there not web scraper guide data in the US? |
| [01:14:08] | Sp0tter: | why, it seems to work fine |
| [01:14:15] | k-man: | in Aus, we just scrape the websites |
| [01:14:16] | sphery: | because it's designed as a DVR |
| [01:14:22] | Sp0tter: | so? |
| [01:14:22] | Beirdo: | k-man: nope, not legally |
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| [01:16:49] | sphery: | Sp0tter: and would you use Oracle 11g to make a spreadsheet of your annual earnings? |
| [01:17:00] | sphery: | it's just a matter of choosing the right tool for the job |
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| [01:17:13] | sphery: | and, IMHO, without guide data, MythTV is /not/ the right tool for any job |
| [01:17:41] | sphery: | and to answer your "broadast over the air" question, in the US, you are almost definitely not going to get anything useful from EIT |
| [01:18:16] | Beirdo: | and if you are scanning cable with QAM, how is that even relevant? |
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| [01:19:06] | sphery: | yeah, on cable, you won't get any guide data |
| [01:19:25] | kormoc: | Sp0tter, without guide data we'll split recordings every 30 minutes which will lead to a pause and a missing chunk of a show |
| [01:19:26] | sphery: | as they put that in their own format for their own DVR equipment so you go out and rent a DVR from them |
| [01:19:39] | kormoc: | Sp0tter, also, we'll be churning on the drive for no reason at all |
| [01:20:07] | sphery: | anyway, for /watching/ TV, there are many better programs |
| [01:20:15] | kormoc: | Sp0tter, she also will be channel surfing blind and with a big delay without any reason |
| [01:20:17] | sphery: | even channel changing in mythtv isn't ideal |
| [01:20:24] | sphery: | exactly |
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| [01:25:25] | Beirdo: | WTH? |
| [01:25:38] | Beirdo: | it's recording Simpsons off DirecTV rather than OTA? |
| [01:25:40] | Beirdo: | why? |
| [01:26:06] | Beirdo: | I have *8* idle OTA encoders before the DirecTV ones :) |
| [01:26:13] | [R]: | bad rule? |
| [01:26:27] | Beirdo: | oooh, because I was pulling the scheduling at the time |
| [01:26:29] | wagnerrp: | surely you only have like four |
| [01:26:29] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [01:26:42] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:26:49] | sphery: | did a --dd-grab-all at a bad time? |
| [01:26:53] | sphery: | how long do your runs take? |
| [01:26:58] | Beirdo: | it scheduled it for 6pm... while I dumped the OTA program listing |
| [01:27:28] | Beirdo: | 2010-10–11 17:50:46.570 Using runtime prefix = /opt/mythtv/upnp-8801 |
| [01:27:36] | Beirdo: | 2010-10–11 18:01:59.030 DataDirect: Deleting temporary files |
| [01:27:57] | sphery: | not to bad for that many channels |
| [01:28:00] | Beirdo: | so... 11min total (with --dd-grab-all) |
| [01:28:07] | sphery: | not too bad, that is |
| [01:28:07] | Sp0tter: | hmm now all my channels wont work and it says "partial lock" |
| [01:28:21] | Beirdo: | it was fudging the non-unique programids when that show started |
| [01:28:33] | Beirdo: | so I'll forgive it for putting it in an odd place. :) |
| [01:28:59] | Beirdo: | actually |
| [01:29:03] | sphery: | besides, you can enjoy the DirecTV goodness--all channels in 1080p... I don't know what that means, but I want it. |
| [01:29:11] | Beirdo: | 2010-10–11 18:00:09.004 Clearing data for source. |
| [01:29:13] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [01:29:36] | sphery: | and, yes, I put on my Daisy Dukes before typing that |
| [01:29:52] | Beirdo: | heh, only a couple are 1080p, and they are PPV movies, but she's an airhead |
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| [01:30:28] | Beirdo: | it actually had NO scheduling info for OTA while it scheduled the show |
| [01:30:32] | Beirdo: | snicker |
| [01:30:35] | Beirdo: | nvm |
| [01:30:41] | sphery: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d18mZzBQf0 |
| [01:30:46] | sphery: | guess it's 1080i |
| [01:31:04] | Beirdo: | that's more like it... but of course, it's not all 1080i either :) |
| [01:31:19] | Beirdo: | quite a lot is 720p |
| [01:31:30] | sphery: | specificall http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d18mZzBQf0#t=0m18 |
| [01:32:15] | sphery: | yeah, I have no idea how they got away with that commercial |
| [01:32:23] | sphery: | and they didn't even talk about it on Undercover Boss |
| [01:32:35] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:32:47] | Beirdo: | and one channel I *want* in HD |
| [01:32:55] | Beirdo: | BBC America |
| [01:33:01] | sphery: | Not HBO? :) |
| [01:33:17] | Beirdo: | I had that in HD until last week |
| [01:33:37] | sphery: | Yeah. I recorded Planet Earth from my local community college's PBS station. I don't think it's quite the same. |
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| [01:33:49] | sphery: | (it's actually a 1980's made-for-schools show) |
| [01:33:58] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [01:34:13] | Beirdo: | someone's cooking something that smells really nice and garlicy |
| [01:34:52] | kormoc: | sphery, it's cause the receiver can upconvert to 1080i from anything |
| [01:35:05] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [01:35:21] | Beirdo: | yeah, but she said "it's broadcast in 1080i", which is a blatant lie |
| [01:35:40] | sphery: | well, I guess I can truly say, "I totally don't know what that means." |
| [01:35:43] | kormoc: | it depends on how you define it |
| [01:35:56] | kormoc: | to them, the broadcasted signal is what your tv gets |
| [01:36:07] | sphery: | /whois kormoc\nirc name: Bill C |
| [01:36:10] | kormoc: | the technical conversion inbetween are meaningless |
| [01:36:13] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [01:36:15] | Beirdo: | ummm, yeah, and Clinton didn't have sex with Lewinsky |
| [01:36:17] | sphery: | hmmm... it all fits, now |
| [01:36:43] | Beirdo: | and sphery beat me again |
| [01:36:44] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:36:46] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:36:47] | kormoc: | I had the installer argue with me that the SD channels were full HDTV |
| [01:36:52] | sphery: | but all great minds... |
| [01:36:55] | kormoc: | cause my tv said it was a 1080i signal |
| [01:36:59] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [01:37:02] | sphery: | heh, fun |
| [01:37:09] | Beirdo: | I set my box to follow source |
| [01:37:14] | sphery: | you must not have had Tequila as your installer |
| [01:37:20] | sphery: | she seemed to know what she was doing |
| [01:37:26] | sphery: | (on Undercover Boss) |
| [01:37:28] | kormoc: | heh |
| [01:37:31] | sphery: | this is the episode that keeps on giving |
| [01:37:31] | kormoc: | Never seen that show |
| [01:37:45] | Beirdo: | it was on last night |
| [01:37:48] | sphery: | it's really the only Reality show I ever decided to record |
| [01:37:57] | sphery: | and it's actually pretty good |
| [01:38:00] | kormoc: | It's also not in my listings |
| [01:38:02] | Beirdo: | I have it recorded, not watched it yet |
| [01:38:03] | kormoc: | what channel? |
| [01:38:08] | sphery: | I'd think people would catch on, by now, though |
| [01:38:12] | sphery: | CBS |
| [01:38:17] | sphery: | Sunday nights |
| [01:38:20] | sphery: | after football |
| [01:38:27] | Beirdo: | 9pm last night |
| [01:38:30] | sphery: | so, last night's was under the listing for "CSI: Miami" |
| [01:38:36] | Beirdo: | not here :) |
| [01:38:47] | sphery: | (meaning it aired in CSI: Miami's spot for me) |
| [01:38:53] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [01:38:56] | sphery: | what? your primetime wasn't delayed? |
| [01:38:58] | kormoc: | I don't have CBS |
| [01:38:59] | sphery: | stupid clocks |
| [01:39:03] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:39:04] | kormoc: | not part of my package |
| [01:39:08] | Beirdo: | no CBS?! |
| [01:39:12] | sphery: | you guys should have prime time at 5:00pm |
| [01:39:12] | kormoc: | negative |
| [01:39:16] | Beirdo: | you don't have locals? wow |
| [01:39:22] | kormoc: | I do? |
| [01:39:35] | sphery: | maybe the cable/sat co is in one of their renewal disputes |
| [01:39:35] | Beirdo: | it would be channel 7 |
| [01:39:41] | kormoc: | what is CBS on the normal lineup is KIRO |
| [01:39:42] | Beirdo: | KIRO |
| [01:39:47] | kormoc: | ooh |
| [01:39:52] | kormoc: | I didn't know that was CBS |
| [01:39:54] | kormoc: | thought it was FOX |
| [01:39:57] | Beirdo: | that's the local CBS affiliate |
| [01:40:03] | kormoc: | bah |
| [01:40:19] | Beirdo: | Fox is 13 |
| [01:40:20] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [01:40:27] | kormoc: | it's all marked as generic episodes |
| [01:40:43] | Beirdo: | ABC is 4, NBC 5, CW 11 |
| [01:41:13] | Beirdo: | I'm not getting NBC well OTA, unfortunately. craptacular antenna |
| [01:41:38] | kormoc: | sphery, do you have episode info or is it just generic? |
| [01:41:46] | sphery: | I had episode info |
| [01:41:56] | kormoc: | Sad that I don't |
| [01:42:13] | Beirdo: | weirdness |
| [01:42:20] | kormoc: | Beirdo, you do? |
| [01:42:23] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [01:42:26] | kormoc: | for Oct 17th's show? |
| [01:42:38] | Beirdo: | ummm, let me check that one |
| [01:42:51] | Beirdo: | I did for yesterday's (the DirecTV one) |
| [01:42:54] | sphery: | Frontier Airlines |
| [01:42:57] | sphery: | on Oct 17th |
| [01:43:11] | ** sphery thinks kormoc is not running --dd-grab-all ** | |
| [01:43:17] | sphery: | my Oct 24 is a generic |
| [01:43:25] | kormoc: | sphery, I'm not actually |
| [01:43:27] | sphery: | but it will get filled in as soon as the station provides info |
| [01:43:39] | Beirdo: | yup, it's here |
| [01:43:43] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [01:43:43] | sphery: | so you downloaded it when it was generic, and when it's tomorrow, you'll get the update :) |
| [01:43:55] | kormoc: | I should figure out how to get it to run --dd-grab-all |
| [01:43:59] | sphery: | I can't believe you're not runing --dd-grab-all |
| [01:44:04] | kormoc: | I tried previously and it didn't take |
| [01:44:09] | sphery: | just put it in the mythfilldatabase arguments in mythtv-setup |
| [01:44:23] | Beirdo: | whereas the 24th is generic and marked as a rerun for now |
| [01:44:25] | kormoc: | Yeah, I did that and then it just stopped running |
| [01:45:01] | Shadow__X: | anyone have these logitech z5500's? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 20-_-Product |
| [01:45:02] | sphery: | that's exactly the value I have in there |
| [01:45:07] | sphery: | and it runs for me |
| [01:45:11] | sphery: | and grabs it all |
| [01:45:23] | sphery: | sometimes it's a little too grabby, but that's what the bouncers are for |
| [01:45:25] | Beirdo: | works for me :) |
| [01:45:59] | kormoc: | huh |
| [01:47:54] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: you off reducing the number of open bugs... :) Silly man, actually making progress? :) |
| [01:48:17] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure there will be 10 new .24 bugs by the time I wake up |
| [01:48:29] | Beirdo: | yeah, unfortunately |
| [01:48:37] | kormoc: | not if I crash trac for ya |
| [01:48:53] | Beirdo: | if we can get the blockers fixed, we could close in on a release eventually |
| [01:48:54] | kormoc: | "Is trac down?" *whistle* |
| [01:49:14] | wagnerrp: | which is a problem since there were only 8 closed |
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| [01:49:24] | iamlindoro: | If we could get the blockers fixed, we could release and fix the rest thereafter |
| [01:49:32] | wagnerrp: | (unless im missing email again) |
| [01:49:37] | iamlindoro: | since most of what remains is minor |
| [01:49:42] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [01:49:54] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, this would be a great time to switch Trac over to mysql |
| [01:50:01] | sphery: | and encounter difficulties |
| [01:50:03] | Beirdo: | if those blockers can get resolved, RC1 could get cut quickly, I'd think |
| [01:50:10] | sphery: | would keep us from getting any new bugs |
| [01:51:47] | Beirdo: | the LATM one would be nice to get some traction on |
| [01:52:40] | iamlindoro: | or even a response to queries |
| [01:52:56] | Gibby_away is now known as Gibby | |
| [01:53:08] | sphery: | he's in the "even thinking about it makes me not want to work on it" phase |
| [01:53:13] | sphery: | I've been there (a lot) |
| [01:53:27] | iamlindoro: | yeah, but in the end, you gotta make a call on your tickets |
| [01:53:32] | sphery: | yeah |
| [01:53:32] | iamlindoro: | it's gonna get done, or it's not |
| [01:53:40] | sphery: | agreed |
| [01:54:06] | sphery: | and if he says he can't do it, and someone is really upset, they may just do it (or a reasonable approximation of it) for him |
| [01:54:38] | iamlindoro: | There will be plenty of really upset people |
| [01:54:41] | sphery: | and if no one is upset enough to actually do it themselves, it must not be that important to other people |
| [01:54:57] | sphery: | yes, but that's why it's free and open source :) |
| [01:54:59] | iamlindoro: | *Maybe* Paul Kendall might get one done |
| [01:55:07] | iamlindoro: | since he wrote the first |
| [01:55:10] | Beirdo: | well, not many of the devs are affected by that one (if any) |
| [01:55:19] | iamlindoro: | several are |
| [01:55:30] | iamlindoro: | and many users |
| [01:55:49] | sphery: | which ones? jan nau and j y a are the ones I'd think may be |
| [01:55:52] | sphery: | any others? |
| [01:55:53] | iamlindoro: | kenni, |
| [01:55:54] | Beirdo: | definitely many users :) |
| [01:56:14] | sphery: | ah, and three is an official several, so you're right :) |
| [01:56:19] | sphery: | (2 is a couple) |
| [01:56:25] | sphery: | and 1 is the loneliest number |
| [01:56:57] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:57:01] | sphery: | but then again, 3 is company and 4's a crowd.. |
| [01:57:12] | sphery: | seems that this whole math thing is too complex for me |
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| [02:03:03] | wagnerrp: | seems zfs has issues with deleting large files |
| [02:04:03] | wagnerrp: | i tried deleting some 250GB of stuff... it took like 20 seconds, and playback was stuttering the whole time |
| [02:07:27] | Sp0tter: | can anyone recommend a good value antanna for OTA broadcasting? |
| [02:08:07] | wagnerrp: | theyre expensive, and come in large tower form |
| [02:09:48] | Sp0tter: | well think cheap |
| [02:10:06] | Sp0tter: | i mean the dinky little metal telescoping rod taht came with my $25 tuner works pretty well |
| [02:10:09] | Sp0tter: | picked up 12 channels |
| [02:10:12] | Beirdo: | nothing cheaper than just paying for the year of scheduling... that's worth using |
| [02:10:13] | wagnerrp: | you also need several thousand dollars worth of encoders and modulators |
| [02:10:15] | Sp0tter: | so surely a $30 antenna would be nice |
| [02:10:25] | Sp0tter: | wagnerrp: i don't think you understood myquestion |
| [02:10:41] | [R]: | Sp0tter: you asked about broadcasting... |
| [02:10:42] | wagnerrp: | oh, i understood your question better than you did |
| [02:10:52] | Sp0tter: | to receive broadcasting |
| [02:11:04] | [R]: | Sp0tter: and whats wrong with the one you have? |
| [02:11:22] | Sp0tter: | I'm not positive yet, i haven't looked up the possible channels is hould be getting |
| [02:11:24] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, which RED movie were you talking about the other day/earlier? |
| [02:11:25] | [R]: | rofl |
| [02:11:26] | wagnerrp: | well then that depends on your distance from the transmitters, relative elevation, terrain |
| [02:12:10] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: bruce willis, morgan freeman, john malcovich |
| [02:12:40] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, ahh, I was thinking you ment Red: Werewolf Hunter starting Felecia Day |
| [02:12:50] | Sp0tter: | thats funny newegg has my tv tuner on their Shell Shocker item today for $24 shipped |
| [02:12:50] | wagnerrp: | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1245526/ |
| [02:13:03] | [R]: | Sp0tter: why is that funny? |
| [02:13:18] | Sp0tter: | you are very agressive aren't you |
| [02:13:21] | ** Sp0tter hugs R ** | |
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| [02:13:30] | kormoc: | Yeah, didn't realize there was another one till just now when a commercial showed up for that one |
| [02:13:49] | kormoc: | Sp0tter, asking why on something that's sorta out of left field is aggressive? |
| [02:13:50] | Sp0tter: | its funny because today is the day i decided to play with Myth, and they just happen to have my tv tuner as their special item for the day.. its pretty unlikely |
| [02:14:10] | [R]: | rofl |
| [02:14:14] | Sp0tter: | there you go |
| [02:14:17] | Sp0tter: | you see the funny now |
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| [02:15:21] | ** wagnerrp doesnt get it ** | |
| [02:15:56] | [R]: | Sp0tter: i wasn't rofl'ing because it was funny |
| [02:15:57] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [02:16:08] | Sp0tter: | [R]: I know, thats because you are agressive |
| [02:16:10] | Sp0tter: | overly |
| [02:16:11] | [R]: | rofl |
| [02:16:20] | Sp0tter: | :) |
| [02:16:39] | ** kormoc blinks at Sp0tter ** | |
| [02:17:32] | ** Sp0tter casts Mem Blur on kormoc ** | |
| [02:17:37] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: never heard of it |
| [02:17:41] | Beirdo: | !trout Sp0tter |
| [02:17:41] | ** MythLogBot slaps Sp0tter with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [02:17:51] | Beirdo: | you want aggressive... :) |
| [02:17:55] | Sp0tter: | ouch! |
| [02:18:46] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1626201/ |
| [02:19:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i see the page... never heard of it |
| [02:19:11] | kormoc: | It's a scifi tv special |
| [02:19:27] | kormoc: | so it's gonna be cheesy as all get out and with horrible CGI |
| [02:23:58] | ** wagnerrp cheers for a night with no recording issues ** | |
| [02:26:37] | Beirdo: | don't you jinx me |
| [02:27:52] | sphery: | kormoc: cheesy or not, Felicia Day... 'nuff said. |
| [02:28:05] | ** sphery loves The Guild ** | |
| [02:28:15] | sphery: | still have to watch Dr Horrible |
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| [02:28:43] | kormoc: | Dude |
| [02:28:48] | kormoc: | Dr Horrible is *epic* |
| [02:28:53] | sphery: | yeah, I know |
| [02:28:58] | sphery: | just can't decide where to buy it |
| [02:29:22] | Timrit: | good day. i was wondering if anyone knows how to fix this: |
| [02:29:25] | Timrit: | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| [02:29:25] | sphery: | DVD, XBox Live, Amazon VoD (with my free $4 certificate), ... |
| [02:29:36] | Timrit: | good day. i was wondering if anyone knows how to fix this: |
| [02:29:39] | Timrit: | Master: Zone ID: 'America/Chicago', UTC Offset: '-18000', Current Time: '2010-10–11T21:26:49' |
| [02:29:41] | Timrit: | Local: Zone ID: 'CDT', UTC Offset: '-18000', Current Time: '2010-10–11T21:27:20' |
| [02:29:51] | Timrit: | sorry about the dpkg line |
| [02:29:55] | sphery: | Timrit: set both to America/Chicago or both to CDT |
| [02:30:07] | Timrit: | i have checked and both are set that way |
| [02:30:12] | Timrit: | at least i think they are |
| [02:30:34] | Timrit: | the frontend is archlinux |
| [02:30:40] | Timrit: | the backend is mythbuntu |
| [02:32:17] | Beirdo: | after fixing your timezones to match, you probably want to run ntp on both machines to get the times properly synced too |
| [02:32:54] | sphery: | Timrit: looks like the frontend doesn't have a valid time zone specified... I don't remember how Arch does it, but do you have an /etc/timezone on it? |
| [02:33:55] | sphery: | and, yeah, ntp will be important, too--your times should be the same and will cause problems if > a second or 2 difference |
| [02:35:15] | sphery: | Timrit: or, maybe just go through: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Time#Time_Zone |
| [02:35:43] | ** sphery is impressed that Arch actually calls it time zone versus "timezone" (where the former is correct) ** | |
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| [02:40:47] | ** sphery hopes that was his rebooting the frontend after setting the time zone? ** | |
| [02:41:51] | Beirdo: | you don't even need to |
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| [02:42:19] | sphery: | yeah, you don't, but it's a good way to make sure that things come up properly on future reboots |
| [02:42:31] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [02:42:48] | sphery: | and the way arch does it, they create the /etc/localtime from info in /etc/rc.conf on boot, so it's an easy way to get it "finalized" |
| [02:43:05] | sphery: | assuming that wiki page is up to date :) |
| [02:43:18] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:44:25] | Beirdo: | weeee wee weee weeeeee! |
| [02:44:43] | Beirdo: | grrr, I hate geico sometimes :) |
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| [02:47:47] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [02:47:51] | Beirdo: | politicians suck |
| [02:48:02] | Criggie: | so do babies |
| [02:48:15] | Criggie: | and vacuum cleaners |
| [02:48:17] | wagnerrp: | often the same thing |
| [02:48:23] | Beirdo: | hheeheh |
| [02:48:47] | Beirdo: | I'll be happy when erection ... er election... time is over. |
| [02:48:54] | Beirdo: | tired of seeing these stupid ads |
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| [02:51:02] | Beirdo: | no no cox |
| [02:51:03] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:51:17] | Beirdo: | what a feminist domain name |
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| [02:54:33] | sphery: | heh, "Fox tonight, before the premiere, see how last season ended in a 2-hour *Fringe event*." (emphasis added) |
| [02:55:11] | sphery: | where, in the season finale that they're re-running, the main characters cause a Fringe event |
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| [02:58:00] | [R]: | freakin product placement |
| [02:58:05] | [R]: | they keep showing bing on how i met your mother |
| [02:58:27] | Beirdo: | wah wah wah ;) |
| [02:58:41] | Beirdo: | It is the way it works |
| [02:58:44] | sphery: | hey, if MS wants to pay for shows I like, more power to them |
| [02:59:12] | sphery: | now if they were paying for stupid shows, that's a whole different thing |
| [02:59:25] | [R]: | lol |
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| [03:12:25] | wagnerrp: | you know... as much as i like Castle, it has a horrendous intro |
| [03:13:52] | clever: | ok, got a new frontend up and running, without hdd or network boot |
| [03:14:11] | clever: | should do a great deal better then the old crap |
| [03:14:25] | sphery: | what's it using? |
| [03:14:26] | [R]: | no hdd and no network boot... how does it work... magic? |
| [03:14:30] | wagnerrp: | magic |
| [03:14:35] | sphery: | the gathering |
| [03:14:46] | clever: | it initialy boots from a usb stick |
| [03:14:46] | k-man: | compact flash? |
| [03:14:50] | wagnerrp: | punch cards? |
| [03:14:51] | clever: | and copies the entire root image to ram |
| [03:14:59] | wagnerrp: | so it boots off a hard drive |
| [03:15:12] | [R]: | i don't understand why there is scrolling area in mythweb when its blank |
| [03:15:13] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, the books are pretty horrible too |
| [03:15:21] | kormoc: | [R], huh? |
| [03:15:27] | clever: | usb isnt really a harddrive, more of a soft drive |
| [03:15:29] | [R]: | kormoc: lemme take a screenshot |
| [03:15:30] | sphery: | I don't know... Flash sticks aren't that hard. I could smash one under my heel. |
| [03:15:39] | sphery: | (not the silicon inside, but the stick) |
| [03:16:06] | wagnerrp: | does a flash drive have a hard silicon chip? or is it filled with an amorphous goo? |
| [03:16:09] | kormoc: | yeah, cause flash drives lose their data when they're powered down |
| [03:16:13] | clever: | wagnerrp: hard chip |
| [03:16:16] | sphery: | I assumed hard silicon |
| [03:16:23] | sphery: | I've never cracked one open, though |
| [03:16:30] | clever: | its not a standard harddrive is what i mean |
| [03:16:34] | wagnerrp: | and it mounts as a drive? |
| [03:16:39] | wagnerrp: | its hard, and its a drive |
| [03:16:43] | clever: | yeah, its xfs formated |
| [03:16:45] | wagnerrp: | its a hard... drive...? |
| [03:17:02] | wagnerrp: | why not jffs? |
| [03:17:24] | clever: | ive been using xfs lately for most things, but the usb stick could be fat32 for all that it matters |
| [03:17:37] | sphery: | someone should make a new yfs--as in "y do we need another fs" |
| [03:17:38] | clever: | all it holds is a 500mb file, the kernel, the initrd, and the bootloader |
| [03:17:58] | [R]: | kormoc: http://i.imgur.com/RIA6C.png http://i.imgur.com/lJWN5.png |
| [03:18:10] | wagnerrp: | sphery: jffs[2] actually makes sense |
| [03:18:27] | wagnerrp: | its read/write structure is designed for flash, which can only be written to in blocks |
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| [03:18:43] | wagnerrp: | its basically all the stuff modern SSDs use, but implemented in the file system |
| [03:18:44] | sphery: | [R]: looks like you need it to get to the "Reset template and skin to defaults" part of the page |
| [03:18:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I agree jffs serves a purpose |
| [03:18:52] | clever: | wagnerrp: doesnt matter so much because the stick is basicaly read-only |
| [03:19:10] | [R]: | sphery: yeah |
| [03:19:14] | clever: | the system runs from a COPY in ram and is reset to its original state on each bootup |
| [03:19:29] | clever: | saving the changes back to the stick is optional |
| [03:19:29] | kormoc: | [R], we have a minimum height on the front page |
| [03:19:36] | [R]: | kormoc: ah |
| [03:19:47] | sphery: | it's just that we seem to have way to many in general and few purpose-specific ones, like jffs |
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| [03:19:54] | clever: | and the current system re-writes a large file when saving, so jffs wont really help |
| [03:19:57] | Timrit: | hello again. sphery i just wanted to come back and say thank you. I got it now by having to reconfigure my rc.conf file. apparently I missed that on last update. again thanks. |
| [03:19:58] | [R]: | kormoc: why? |
| [03:19:58] | wagnerrp: | surely its COW, and doesnt just blindly dump everything into RAM |
| [03:20:18] | clever: | wagnerrp: i can either rebuild the entire root.sqfs, or tar up the r/w half only |
| [03:20:19] | kormoc: | [R], to keep the link below the content |
| [03:20:24] | sphery: | Timrit: cool, glad it's working--I was hoping your disappearing was for a reboot after setting it |
| [03:20:37] | clever: | wagnerrp: but overtime, the r/w tar will grow |
| [03:20:40] | kormoc: | [R], we could cut the minimum down a bit I'd guess |
| [03:20:50] | clever: | its only a single ro section with a ugly r/w patch thrown over it |
| [03:20:53] | wagnerrp: | clever: normally when people do that, they overlay a ramdisk using aufs |
| [03:20:53] | Timrit: | sphery: it was :) |
| [03:21:01] | clever: | wagnerrp: it is aufs2 |
| [03:21:03] | sphery: | cool, enjoy MythTV |
| [03:21:16] | wagnerrp: | meaning they dont store unnecessary cruft in memory |
| [03:21:17] | Timrit: | thanks. |
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| [03:21:34] | clever: | wagnerrp: aufs2 merges a squashfs (ro) with a tmpfs (r/w) |
| [03:21:46] | clever: | the squashfs itself is stored on a 2nd tmpfs, to allow swapping |
| [03:22:04] | clever: | without that, id only have 20mb of ram free at any time |
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| [03:22:25] | clever: | and it still has an entire compiler/toolchain on it, could be trimmed alot more |
| [03:22:38] | sphery: | wagnerrp: OK, I love Fringe, and all, but there are just /way/ too many differences in the 2 uni's when you consider all the similarities. With that many differences, there should be far fewer similarities (including which people exist). |
| [03:23:07] | wagnerrp: | i havent been watching the new season |
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| [03:23:22] | sphery: | I'm rehashing the season finale to start the new season |
| [03:23:31] | sphery: | I needed good TV for today and tomorrow |
| [03:23:40] | sphery: | so today is Fringe and tomorrow is Supernatural |
| [03:23:52] | sphery: | then, back to work on MythTV :) |
| [03:24:07] | clever: | wagnerrp: one major problem i can see right now, is that i dont properly handle the aufs2 whiteout files |
| [03:24:30] | clever: | if anything gets deleted, that fact is lost on reboot, and it bleeds back into the FS from the r/o half |
| [03:24:43] | ** wagnerrp is content with his iscsi boot ** | |
| [03:24:44] | clever: | assuming i saved the COW state |
| [03:25:01] | clever: | i would network boot it like the other laptop, but the ethernet card is toast |
| [03:25:04] | clever: | it rarely even shows up in lspci |
| [03:25:18] | ** wagnerrp is content with his reliable hardware ** | |
| [03:25:30] | clever: | this is still way better then the old laptop |
| [03:25:50] | clever: | the old vid card put out funky resolutions, so the HDTV refused to fullscreen it right |
| [03:26:18] | clever: | the old cpu would often crash when doing freq scaling, locking it in one freq and HARD LOCKING any app that tries to look at the cpu freq |
| [03:27:04] | clever: | the new laptop has more ram, more cpu, and only a bad ethernet as its main problem |
| [03:27:27] | clever: | and i forgot to mention, it wont turn on enless i whack it:P |
| [03:28:07] | Beirdo: | mooooo |
| [03:28:41] | ** Beirdo runs apt-get moo ** | |
| [03:29:14] | wagnerrp: | installing gentoo now? |
| [03:29:26] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [03:29:31] | Beirdo: | why would I do that? |
| [03:29:36] | kormoc: | That'd be the day |
| [03:29:37] | clever: | the new ram booting laptop has gentoo |
| [03:29:37] | Beirdo: | apt-get moo! |
| [03:29:45] | wagnerrp: | moo! |
| [03:29:45] | kormoc: | Beirdo, Gentoo's mascot is a cow |
| [03:29:50] | Beirdo: | heh, I tried gentoo before. |
| [03:30:11] | Beirdo: | it's too high maintenence for my liking |
| [03:30:14] | Beirdo: | YMMV |
| [03:30:19] | kormoc: | http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/about.xml |
| [03:30:28] | Beirdo: | kormoc: shouldn't it be the penguin it was named for? |
| [03:30:36] | wagnerrp: | http://static.desktopnexus.com/thumbnails/1525-bigthumbnail.jpg |
| [03:30:40] | kormoc: | Every other distro so far is too high maintenance for my liking :P |
| [03:30:46] | kormoc: | Beirdo, read about Larry the cow! |
| [03:31:08] | Beirdo: | heh, I've read it before |
| [03:31:36] | Beirdo: | and the occasional apt-get upgrade is hardly high-maint :) |
| [03:31:50] | Beirdo: | gentoo's cool, just not for me |
| [03:31:52] | kormoc: | it is when you have custom patches you want applied to packages |
| [03:32:06] | kormoc: | or compile options they don't use by default |
| [03:32:11] | Beirdo: | well THAT's the high-maint coming in |
| [03:32:20] | clever: | i was compiling the ramboot system with -Os one day |
| [03:32:20] | wagnerrp: | like 'mp3' |
| [03:32:28] | clever: | got half way thru it and then bzip2 crashed |
| [03:32:28] | wagnerrp: | some packages dont seems to like that one |
| [03:32:33] | Beirdo: | system-wise, I use "normal" for everything but my kernel |
| [03:32:58] | kormoc: | Beirdo, yeah... I have a few dozen custom patches in play at any one point in time usually |
| [03:33:13] | Beirdo: | my kernel's custom-build deb (using Jarod's git tree) |
| [03:33:24] | Beirdo: | ahh, yeah, much like my myth install :) |
| [03:33:41] | Beirdo: | which I would scream if I had to have packaged |
| [03:34:11] | Beirdo: | speaking of which, did you have an update on your filldb tweak patches? |
| [03:34:25] | kormoc: | not yet |
| [03:34:46] | Beirdo: | K. I have that in my build tree still |
| [03:38:03] | kormoc: | Do we have a way to set the default fill setting per channel? |
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| [03:38:29] | Beirdo: | hmm, no idea |
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| [03:38:57] | kormoc: | I love the fact that BBC:A is just a letterboxed SD stream in HD |
| [03:39:15] | [R]: | isn't that the best kind of HD? |
| [03:39:18] | Beirdo: | not even HD on the captures I've gotten |
| [03:39:26] | Beirdo: | 480p I think |
| [03:39:39] | kormoc: | my box is set to float and it claims it's 720p |
| [03:39:59] | [R]: | its so weird how MASH does the 2 part episodes |
| [03:39:59] | Beirdo: | hmm, maybe it depends on show? |
| [03:40:12] | Shadow__X: | my bbc:a is just plain ol sd |
| [03:40:15] | [R]: | the 2nd episode starts with something new, but after a few moments, it replays the last scene from the first |
| [03:40:28] | kormoc: | I don't think so |
| [03:40:29] | Shadow__X: | atleast for top gear it is |
| [03:40:44] | kormoc: | Dr. Who is also the weird SD in HD |
| [03:40:49] | Beirdo: | I'll go look after this glitchy OTA recording is done |
| [03:41:03] | Beirdo: | I have Top Gear and maybe L&O: UK |
| [03:41:30] | kormoc: | I'm wrong |
| [03:41:32] | Shadow__X: | mine on comcast are definitely sd |
| [03:41:36] | kormoc: | it is showing as 480p |
| [03:41:40] | kormoc: | weird |
| [03:41:53] | Shadow__X: | i wish it was HD |
| [03:41:55] | kormoc: | so it's wide screen boxed in a SD stream |
| [03:42:07] | kormoc: | yurg |
| [03:42:31] | Beirdo: | even crappier :) |
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| [04:01:34] | k-man: | is the ability for mythvideo to show subtitles in mkv files implemented in trunk? |
| [04:01:52] | wagnerrp: | its in 0.23 as well |
| [04:02:05] | k-man: | wagnerrp: hmm... thats interesting, i couldn't get it to work |
| [04:02:09] | k-man: | i'll have to try again |
| [04:02:24] | wagnerrp: | well... it only works with bitmapped subs |
| [04:02:35] | k-man: | oooh.... these were text subs |
| [04:02:43] | wagnerrp: | like the kind you get from ripping dvds |
| [04:02:50] | wagnerrp: | or most form of captions in digital recordings |
| [04:02:52] | k-man: | wagnerrp: yeah, i know what you mean |
| [04:03:08] | wagnerrp: | i mean dvds /have/ bitmapped subs |
| [04:03:24] | k-man: | *nod* |
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| [04:05:03] | k-man: | will .24 be able to do text subs? |
| [04:05:13] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [04:05:14] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [04:05:40] | k-man: | so have text subs been implemented yet in trunk? |
| [04:05:45] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [04:05:51] | iamlindoro: | long since |
| [04:05:54] | wagnerrp: | considering trunk is currently in feature freeze |
| [04:06:01] | wagnerrp: | and has been for... a month now? |
| [04:06:09] | iamlindoro: | 5+ weeks, yeah |
| [04:06:10] | k-man: | oh yeah, i forgot about that |
| [04:06:17] | wagnerrp: | beginning of sept? |
| [04:07:56] | wagnerrp: | stupid upscaled 480i recordings... |
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| [04:16:44] | iamlindoro: | ugh, does mike@grounded need to write his every thought to our list? |
| [04:17:12] | wagnerrp: | how else is he going to fill the list with mindless chatter? |
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| [04:18:28] | wagnerrp: | im wondering what this magical system is that can take both an FX5200 and a GT220 |
| [04:20:04] | kormoc: | pci fx5200 |
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| [04:29:17] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: it seems that way |
| [04:29:56] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i dont know about you, but i sure am interested in his dumps |
| [04:30:02] | Beirdo: | hehee |
| [04:30:21] | Beirdo: | his python took a dump.... stop feeding it so many mice |
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| [04:37:23] | FredYerkes: | Hello – I'm trying to make a DVD in MythArchive but it fails when it can't find tcrequant, seems I don't have tcrequant despite having transcode installed |
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| [04:40:09] | iamlindoro: | Guess I can't tell him that MythArchive hasn't used tcrequant since well before .23 came out... |
| [04:48:20] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:48:36] | Beirdo: | that mike dude is clue resistant |
| [04:49:12] | wagnerrp: | i think he was grounded during a lightning strike |
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| [04:53:27] | wagnerrp: | watching some nova show where theyre talking about the tesla |
| [04:53:46] | wagnerrp: | i didnt realize that the motor controller was bigger and heavier than the electric motor itself |
| [04:54:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:57:57] | wagnerrp: | hey now, stop making sense |
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| [04:59:37] | Beirdo: | oooh |
| [04:59:43] | Beirdo: | #9064 has a patch |
| [04:59:54] | Beirdo: | from pkendall |
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| [05:05:54] | Beirdo: | hey, you dang woodchucks! quit chuckin my wood! |
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| [05:07:58] | Beirdo: | clue resistant users FTL |
| [05:09:47] | wagnerrp: | didnt i tell him at some point he needs to fix his clock? |
| [05:11:47] | [R]: | is it my mail sever or his |
| [05:11:59] | [R]: | i'm getting a million emails from mike@grounded.net from early this morning |
| [05:12:10] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010 . . . /299461.html |
| [05:12:15] | wagnerrp: | that was sent a couple minutes ago |
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| [05:13:42] | [R]: | it says 10am for me |
| [05:13:53] | wagnerrp: | west coast? |
| [05:13:57] | Beirdo: | no |
| [05:14:00] | [R]: | looks like its off by 12 hours |
| [05:14:05] | wagnerrp: | it is |
| [05:14:06] | [R]: | should have been 10pm |
| [05:14:07] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:14:15] | wagnerrp: | hes using a 12-hr clock |
| [05:14:24] | wagnerrp: | and doesnt realize his AM and PM are mixed up |
| [05:14:36] | [R]: | who doesnt use utc for their systme clock? |
| [05:14:44] | Beirdo: | I don't |
| [05:14:48] | [R]: | Beirdo: why not? |
| [05:14:50] | Beirdo: | why would I? |
| [05:14:54] | [R]: | Beirdo: because it's sane? |
| [05:15:01] | wagnerrp: | [R]: why would it matter |
| [05:15:02] | Beirdo: | I'm not in London |
| [05:15:06] | [R]: | s/system/hardware/ |
| [05:15:08] | [R]: | is that better? |
| [05:15:16] | wagnerrp: | if you have your time zone set up properly, your mail software doesnt care |
| [05:15:19] | Beirdo: | that's pointless |
| [05:15:38] | wagnerrp: | one way or another, his system is misconfigured |
| [05:15:43] | Beirdo: | I've considered transitioning my linode to be in GMT though |
| [05:15:58] | Beirdo: | but then the logs would be.... messy :)( |
| [05:16:11] | ** [R] inserts the standard "myth should use utc" line ** | |
| [05:16:12] | [R]: | :) |
| [05:16:14] | Beirdo: | and since google has them indexed |
| [05:16:16] | wagnerrp: | [R]: that better? |
| [05:16:24] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:16:40] | Beirdo: | myth should not use UTC |
| [05:17:19] | [R]: | Beirdo: but EVERYONE wants it :) |
| [05:17:26] | Beirdo: | whatever |
| [05:17:40] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:17:46] | wagnerrp: | "i cant fix my clock, because i cant get into the GUI to change it!!! help me get X working!!!" |
| [05:18:10] | wagnerrp: | we need a mailing list with some form of karma system |
| [05:18:17] | Beirdo: | just tell him how to insert a Windows 7 CD, and how to install MCE |
| [05:18:37] | wagnerrp: | continue being a tool for too long, and you get kicked |
| [05:18:57] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:19:18] | Beirdo: | well then we'd better watch ourselves unless we find ourselves ousted by the users :) |
| [05:19:38] | k-man: | maybe there should be a stack overflow type of forum |
| [05:19:47] | wagnerrp: | devs get clemency |
| [05:20:08] | wagnerrp: | other acceptable insults would be 'mouth breather' |
| [05:20:20] | k-man: | mouth breather? |
| [05:20:21] | Beirdo: | there should be a rule that if threads you start routinely go past 50 posts, you get muted for plenty of time after each new post |
| [05:20:34] | wagnerrp: | k-man: visualize it |
| [05:20:46] | Beirdo: | knuckle-dragger |
| [05:20:56] | wagnerrp: | think of the people you see always breathing through their mouths |
| [05:21:07] | Beirdo: | hockey players? |
| [05:21:12] | k-man: | sports people? |
| [05:21:13] | wagnerrp: | or otherwise letting their jaws hang open |
| [05:21:28] | Beirdo: | line of drool optional |
| [05:21:50] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i think disturbing is a better word than jarring |
| [05:23:02] | k-man: | last night, for some reason lirc stopped working - |
| [05:23:21] | k-man: | didn't have time to fully diagnose it yet, but it seems as though its not receiving |
| [05:23:39] | [R]: | "it" being... |
| [05:24:03] | k-man: | oh – lirc never seems to receieve data from the cable |
| [05:24:06] | [R]: | is myth being correct... it refuses to use one of my storage drives |
| [05:24:13] | [R]: | i should switch to "balanced" or something...? |
| [05:24:17] | Beirdo: | k-man: step 1. check your batteries |
| [05:24:19] | [R]: | k-man: the cable? |
| [05:24:36] | k-man: | i have the hacked up serial cable receiver thing happening |
| [05:24:54] | [R]: | what does mode2 say |
| [05:25:01] | [R]: | what does dmegs say |
| [05:25:06] | Beirdo: | last time lirc mysteriously stopped working for me, my remote needed new batteries |
| [05:25:13] | Beirdo: | start with the obvious :) |
| [05:25:16] | [R]: | speaking of remotes |
| [05:25:22] | [R]: | 1.5 months till i get my harmony |
| [05:25:30] | Beirdo: | 1.5 months?! |
| [05:25:40] | wagnerrp: | really cheap shipping |
| [05:25:40] | k-man: | Beirdo: batteries are fine as its a universal remote and other devices are receiving ok |
| [05:25:58] | Beirdo: | k-man: OK. carry on :) |
| [05:26:01] | wagnerrp: | only $0.35, but it comes by pack mule |
| [05:26:07] | [R]: | Beirdo: waiting till black friday |
| [05:26:13] | Beirdo: | hah |
| [05:26:13] | [R]: | wagnerrp: ROFL |
| [05:26:23] | k-man: | irw was not getting anything – didn't have a chance to check mode2 yet, will do that tonight |
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| [05:26:26] | Beirdo: | I'm too into instant gratification |
| [05:26:35] | k-man: | but restarting lircd mane no difference |
| [05:26:41] | [R]: | i refuse to pay a metric assload for a remote control |
| [05:26:44] | k-man: | s/mane/made |
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| [05:27:02] | k-man: | [R]: same here, i can't believe how much those harmony remotes are |
| [05:27:07] | Beirdo: | then don't buy a harmony |
| [05:27:10] | [R]: | but its so sexy |
| [05:27:11] | Beirdo: | next! |
| [05:27:15] | [R]: | Beirdo: i'll just wait till balck friday |
| [05:27:23] | Beirdo: | then prepare to bend over on pricing |
| [05:27:30] | [R]: | bend over? |
| [05:27:39] | k-man: | what is so good about the harmony remotes? |
| [05:27:43] | Beirdo: | yes, bend over. |
| [05:27:50] | [R]: | k-man: they are esxy, and the oen i want has a touch screen |
| [05:27:57] | [R]: | Beirdo: but last year it was on sale for 110 |
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| [05:28:34] | Beirdo: | well, you could get lucky |
| [05:28:44] | k-man: | touch screen on a remoet is fail imho – in the dark, you want to use keys by feel, not by sight |
| [05:28:45] | [R]: | i got my tv on black friday |
| [05:28:48] | [R]: | at the time, it was a smokin' deal |
| [05:28:53] | [R]: | now i just cry at night hwen i think of how much i paid |
| [05:28:55] | ** Beirdo is waiting... less than a week... to buy the frontend box ** | |
| [05:28:59] | wagnerrp: | k-man: all computer programmable remotes are similarly priced |
| [05:29:04] | Beirdo: | Heh. |
| [05:29:06] | [R]: | wagnerrp: not JP1 |
| [05:29:21] | Beirdo: | I bought a TV on Black Friday last year. the ex still has it |
| [05:29:30] | k-man: | that jp1 thing warants investigation – i don't know much about it |
| [05:29:32] | wagnerrp: | the chameleons were computer programmable? |
| [05:29:43] | [R]: | wagnerrp: mine has jp1 pads on it |
| [05:30:21] | [R]: | but my kameleon is modem upgrdeable, which was good enough for what i needed |
| [05:30:34] | k-man: | i got the sony rm vl600 remote: http://www.amazon.com/Sony-RM-VL600-8-Device- . . . p/B000F7JCRA |
| [05:30:41] | k-man: | it goes for less than that amazon page though |
| [05:30:48] | [R]: | k-man: looks boring |
| [05:31:06] | k-man: | [R]: it is boring, it Just Works |
| [05:31:09] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:31:26] | k-man: | it never gives me any excitement ;) |
| [05:31:53] | [R]: | i'm watching the mash episode when they didnt get newspapers and chaarles got some and everyone wanted to read them |
| [05:32:05] | Beirdo: | hey. this L&O: UK has no wigs |
| [05:32:10] | Beirdo: | wonder why not? |
| [05:32:16] | [R]: | Beirdo: huh? |
| [05:32:23] | k-man: | the only annoyace with it is i couldn't find a device that activated all buttons, so i had to do some fiddling around to make use of all the buttons |
| [05:32:32] | Beirdo: | Law & Order: UK |
| [05:32:43] | [R]: | i've never heard of it |
| [05:32:43] | wagnerrp: | i had one of those that came with a DVD changer |
| [05:32:44] | [R]: | is it new? |
| [05:32:47] | wagnerrp: | the 'learning' was a PITA |
| [05:32:52] | Beirdo: | it's on BBC America |
| [05:32:58] | [R]: | is it by the same guy? |
| [05:33:03] | k-man: | wagnerrp: the sony remote? |
| [05:33:07] | Beirdo: | I think so |
| [05:33:08] | wagnerrp: | of course the learning on the harmonys isnt much better |
| [05:33:10] | [R]: | thats crazy |
| [05:33:13] | Beirdo: | it's the same format |
| [05:33:17] | wagnerrp: | k-man: yeah, not that exactly, but something similar |
| [05:33:20] | Beirdo: | but British |
| [05:33:33] | [R]: | Beirdo: does everyone have crazy accents? |
| [05:33:37] | k-man: | i heard l&o uk is good – haven't watched it yet though |
| [05:33:52] | wagnerrp: | k-man: the people in uk say its awful |
| [05:33:59] | Beirdo: | they are all the same, just different places |
| [05:34:08] | [R]: | they have 7 episodes in a "season" |
| [05:34:13] | Beirdo: | L&O in the US is pretty awful too |
| [05:34:14] | [R]: | tahts lame |
| [05:34:20] | [R]: | Beirdo: dint' like LA? |
| [05:34:49] | Beirdo: | It's more of the same |
| [05:34:55] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:34:58] | Beirdo: | just more West Coast |
| [05:35:04] | k-man: | The Wire is really good – i just started on season 2 of that |
| [05:35:07] | Beirdo: | we need L&O: New Orleans |
| [05:35:26] | [R]: | remember that one family guy scene where lois was talking about some series of law and order |
| [05:35:29] | [R]: | and it had a really long name |
| [05:35:29] | Beirdo: | or L&O: Australia... mix it up a bit |
| [05:35:40] | [R]: | l&o down under |
| [05:35:41] | [R]: | haha |
| [05:36:15] | Beirdo: | in Toronto I watched an Aussie show... |
| [05:36:29] | Beirdo: | Water Rats |
| [05:36:41] | Beirdo: | I'm sure it's crrrap to Aussies |
| [05:36:51] | Beirdo: | but it was a change from the US-based crrrap |
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| [05:37:37] | k-man: | Beirdo: it got good ratings here i believe – i never watched it though |
| [05:37:49] | Beirdo: | I like having diversity. |
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| [05:38:07] | wagnerrp: | shame, no response from mike yet |
| [05:38:22] | [R]: | haha |
| [05:38:24] | Beirdo: | and I like Aussie accents, and understand the Sydney accent in the show just fine |
| [05:38:26] | k-man: | there was a good show here, produced by our national broadcaster, called Police Rescue i think |
| [05:38:37] | Beirdo: | he's probably off trying to change his clock |
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| [05:38:46] | k-man: | oh, its a bit old now |
| [05:38:49] | k-man: | http://www.australiantelevision.net/policeres . . . erescue.html |
| [05:38:51] | [R]: | on mash... why did they always walk around in robes? |
| [05:39:16] | Beirdo: | yah, that is a bit old |
| [05:39:17] | k-man: | so they didn't have to waste time changing if there were casualties to work on? |
| [05:39:20] | wagnerrp: | it was their way of showing they were 'relaxed' |
| [05:39:41] | wagnerrp: | they never got dressed, just walked around in their house robe all day |
| [05:39:41] | k-man: | and another good aussie show was MDA imho |
| [05:39:50] | [R]: | it was suhc a good show |
| [05:39:53] | Beirdo: | hmmm, wonder if there is a free and legal source of Aussie TV via IPTV or the like... for those in the US |
| [05:39:57] | [R]: | when i was little i hated it |
| [05:40:22] | k-man: | Beirdo: i doubt it, we have iview here but afaik, its just for australian IPs |
| [05:40:31] | Beirdo: | or Kiwi TV for that matter |
| [05:40:34] | k-man: | iview is the national broadcaster's view on demand service |
| [05:40:36] | Beirdo: | k-man: hehe. |
| [05:40:40] | Beirdo: | is it free? |
| [05:40:46] | k-man: | iview? yeah, free over here |
| [05:40:55] | k-man: | but just for ABC shows |
| [05:40:56] | Beirdo: | cool. |
| [05:41:07] | k-man: | there is even an PS3 client i believe |
| [05:41:25] | Beirdo: | I could acquire an Aussie IP, but doubt that's worth it (nor really within TOS) |
| [05:42:34] | wagnerrp: | well if you maintain a secondary residence over there... |
| [05:42:49] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [05:43:00] | Beirdo: | that would be sweet |
| [05:43:07] | k-man: | anyway, there is very little aussie tv worth watching, most of the shows i watch are US or UK productions |
| [05:43:19] | k-man: | or Canadian |
| [05:43:32] | Beirdo: | yeah well. |
| [05:43:57] | Beirdo: | I want something different once in a while |
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| [05:44:10] | Beirdo: | and to be honest... not much watching here in the US either |
| [05:44:35] | Beirdo: | it loaded |
| [05:44:38] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:45:18] | Beirdo: | Due to copyright reasons this video program is available for download by people located in Australia only. If you are not located in Australia, you are not authorised to view this video. |
| [05:45:22] | Beirdo: | boooo |
| [05:45:24] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:45:32] | Beirdo: | as expected |
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| [05:45:48] | Beirdo: | and you note... "located in Australia" |
| [05:45:55] | k-man: | yeah |
| [05:46:12] | Beirdo: | so even if I got an IP there, it still wouldn't be kosher to then pull it to the US to view |
| [05:46:27] | Beirdo: | crying shame |
| [05:46:36] | [R]: | if you had a residence there |
| [05:46:38] | [R]: | i dont see why not |
| [05:46:40] | Beirdo: | no |
| [05:46:46] | Beirdo: | you have to be LOCATED there |
| [05:47:01] | [R]: | well that depends on your definition of locates |
| [05:47:02] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:47:10] | Beirdo: | even if you have a residence there, you aren't located there if you aren't at the residence |
| [05:47:18] | Beirdo: | i.e. you could record there to playback there |
| [05:47:27] | Beirdo: | but not take it elsewhere to watch |
| [05:47:34] | [R]: | it says for download |
| [05:47:36] | [R]: | it doenst say for play |
| [05:47:47] | [R]: | oh, i dindt read the second sentence |
| [05:47:47] | [R]: | n/m |
| [05:47:57] | [R]: | that's super lame |
| [05:48:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, and "people located..." |
| [05:48:06] | Beirdo: | no different than hulu |
| [05:49:01] | Beirdo: | whether we like it or not, such are the rules |
| [05:49:11] | Beirdo: | their taxes pay for ABC, I'm sure |
| [05:49:20] | Beirdo: | ABC being a *public* broadcaster |
| [05:50:18] | k-man: | yeah |
| [05:50:32] | k-man: | and unlike the UK, we do not have a "license" fee to pay eithe |
| [05:50:34] | k-man: | r |
| [05:50:38] | k-man: | so its all tax payer funded |
| [05:50:42] | Beirdo: | if they'd give me an option to pay them, I might be inclined to try |
| [05:51:02] | k-man: | Beirdo: you could buy DVDs maybe – if you were really keen |
| [05:51:05] | Beirdo: | but as that's not an option, I'll just go pout in the corner :) |
| [05:51:16] | Beirdo: | well, I'd want to know if it's worth it first |
| [05:51:24] | Beirdo: | and DVDs are usually region-locked |
| [05:51:31] | k-man: | true |
| [05:51:39] | Beirdo: | and I know Australia isn't Region 1 |
| [05:51:40] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [05:51:48] | k-man: | but mythtv doesn't usually have a problem with regions does it? |
| [05:51:51] | Beirdo: | there are always ways around it |
| [05:52:01] | Beirdo: | the drive may not be able to read it |
| [05:52:18] | Beirdo: | ]but nothing saying I couldn't reprogram a drive into a different region |
| [05:52:29] | Beirdo: | you can reprogram them like 5 times total or something |
| [05:52:32] | [R]: | you just need an AU drive and a US drive |
| [05:52:39] | [R]: | they are so cheap... |
| [05:52:47] | Beirdo: | or buy one from NZ |
| [05:52:55] | Beirdo: | where they have to be unlocked |
| [05:52:56] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [05:53:01] | Beirdo: | at least last I heard |
| [05:53:05] | [R]: | and ship it to the US? |
| [05:53:15] | Beirdo: | but with the drives being $20 here, why bother |
| [05:53:42] | clever: | from what ive seen, DVD drivers for PC can have the region lock changes X times |
| [05:53:52] | Beirdo: | where X = 5 |
| [05:53:54] | Beirdo: | usually |
| [05:54:02] | clever: | so you could just buy 2 from anywhere, and set each to a diff region |
| [05:54:10] | clever: | dont have to buy it from the target region |
| [05:54:25] | Beirdo: | doesn't matter, if I were to do it, I'd just program one to region 2, and one to region whatever else |
| [05:54:28] | sphery: | is ther ean echo in here? |
| [05:54:33] | clever: | yep |
| [05:54:37] | sphery: | heh :) |
| [05:54:39] | Beirdo: | 2 being UK, IIRC |
| [05:54:44] | [R]: | what i said was just so awesome |
| [05:54:48] | [R]: | it had to be said a second time |
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| [05:54:55] | Beirdo: | where I *know* I want something from at times |
| [05:55:05] | sphery: | yeah, and the 5 region changes comment, too |
| [05:55:20] | Beirdo: | Hitchhiker's Guide original series, for instance |
| [05:55:20] | k-man: | or just buy whatever region you like, and rip the dvd to an mkv file and watch that |
| [05:55:22] | sphery: | it's like someone turned on the cheesy echo reverb on the receiver |
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| [05:55:30] | clever: | ive never run into any content that doesnt work on our current region |
| [05:55:45] | Beirdo: | k-man: yeah, of course, but you still need to make the drive be able to read it |
| [05:55:52] | [R]: | clever: what's your region? |
| [05:56:05] | clever: | [R]: canada and whatever it shares with |
| [05:56:09] | [R]: | so region 1 |
| [05:56:09] | Beirdo: | 1 |
| [05:56:16] | k-man: | Beirdo: doesn't libdecss or whatever its called take care of that? |
| [05:56:16] | [R]: | guess you've never bought stuff from china or japan |
| [05:56:17] | clever: | where #1! :P |
| [05:56:24] | Beirdo: | k-man: not sure |
| [05:56:32] | [R]: | k-man: its a hardware thing |
| [05:56:44] | Beirdo: | I've bought from UK before, and I had to reprogram a drive at the time |
| [05:56:46] | clever: | [R]: hardware, or firmware within the drive? |
| [05:56:50] | Beirdo: | that drive is long gone now though |
| [05:56:54] | [R]: | clever: generally firmware |
| [05:57:21] | clever: | so if you knew how the firmware controled things, you could replace it with firmware that can read any region |
| [05:57:29] | Beirdo: | hah |
| [05:57:35] | [R]: | clever: hence the ability to reprogram 5 times |
| [05:57:41] | Beirdo: | not in the US you couldn't. |
| [05:57:41] | ** [R] wonders if hes in the twilight zone ** | |
| [05:57:44] | Beirdo: | DMCA |
| [05:57:46] | clever: | reminds me of the days of replacing the firmware in a c64 drive so you could lay out the tracks in non-standard paterns |
| [05:57:52] | clever: | to copy-protect the floppy |
| [05:58:02] | clever: | spiral tracks and stuff |
| [05:58:05] | [R]: | Beirdo: you can unlock a phone... but not a dvd drive? how lame |
| [05:58:05] | Beirdo: | you use the workarounds they give you or risk jail should they care |
| [05:58:14] | Beirdo: | that's different |
| [05:58:16] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:58:28] | clever: | yeah, different task with a similar idea |
| [05:58:32] | Beirdo: | phone unlocking is subsidies, not state-supported monopolies |
| [05:58:48] | [R]: | its monopoly when you can only buy a phone on a certain provider |
| [05:58:58] | sphery: | [R]: regardless, the tools to do the things you're now allowed to do are illegal |
| [05:59:02] | clever: | it feels like the dvd drive firmware decides wether to allow or deny the read with a basic if(){} |
| [05:59:10] | sphery: | so even though you can do them, you can't possess the tools needed to do them |
| [05:59:25] | clever: | and the same for changing region, if (num_tryes == 0) deny_change(); |
| [06:00:02] | clever: | aslong as the firmware cant be changed, the region lock will continue doing its job |
| [06:00:37] | Beirdo: | blah blah blah |
| [06:00:49] | Beirdo: | you know they have thought it all through before |
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| [06:01:41] | sphery: | who says they don't have a block of worm memory with exactly 5 times the required space |
| [06:01:53] | [R]: | kormoc: you there? |
| [06:02:05] | kormoc: | yes |
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| [06:02:24] | [R]: | kormoc: the google website has a text link at the bottom that doesnt seem to matter how big the window is |
| [06:02:35] | Beirdo: | sphery: quite sure they quite likely do :) |
| [06:03:30] | kormoc: | that's true |
| [06:04:24] | clever: | ummm, crap |
| [06:04:34] | clever: | i think my myth system is transcoding and flagging at the same time |
| [06:05:16] | [R]: | clever: so? |
| [06:05:25] | clever: | when the transcode is done, it will delete the original |
| [06:05:26] | sphery: | it's transflagging |
| [06:05:34] | clever: | causing the commflag to EOF early and think everything is fine |
| [06:05:49] | clever: | and the byte offsets the flagger finds will probly be invalid by then |
| [06:06:19] | sphery: | there's an option to flag after transcode |
| [06:06:32] | clever: | yeah, but it shouldnt do both at once |
| [06:07:11] | clever: | mythtv 32274 2.8 10.5 139760 54012 pts/2 SNl 03:00 0:11 /media/mainlv/root/2008.0/bin/mythcommflag -j 22868 -V 3 |
| [06:07:15] | clever: | mythtv 26898 59.3 17.4 131132 44744 pts/2 RNl 03:01 3:06 /media/mainlv/root/8.04/bin/mythtranscode -j 22869 -V 1072688375 -p autodetect |
| [06:07:23] | sphery: | without the option, it's "flag as soon as possible in case I watch it before transcode completes" |
| [06:07:30] | clever: | ah |
| [06:07:43] | sphery: | and when the transcode completes, it should wipe the flag list |
| [06:07:47] | clever: | i'll have to check the options closer then, seems the defaults arent sane |
| [06:07:50] | sphery: | and possibly re-flag? |
| [06:07:53] | sphery: | don't know about the last |
| [06:08:08] | clever: | ive had it finish a transcode while i'm watching it before |
| [06:08:21] | clever: | causing it to EOF playback and not bother saving the position |
| [06:08:29] | clever: | takes a while to get back to where i was |
| [06:09:50] | clever: | the option help clearly stats 'otherwise, commercial flagging runs first' |
| [06:10:02] | clever: | it says nothing about BOTH running AT ONCE |
| [06:10:29] | clever: | (on seperate slave backends) |
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| [06:16:09] | wagnerrp: | [R]: solution to your fstab_with_spaces problem... http://mythtv.pastebin.com/z7YSiGVW |
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| [07:51:16] | achandra: | hello, ive been trying to get mythnetvision working, and have the pre-req's installed it appears, including the mysql-python packages and a working flash-player. however, in mythbuntu i cant seem to get the site subs to populate. |
| [07:51:20] | achandra: | can someone assist? |
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| [08:00:50] | achandra: | when running the script itself if get the Error('OutStreamEncoder' object is not callable) |
| [08:00:50] | achandra: | following error : |
| [08:00:57] | achandra: | ^^ |
| [08:02:35] | Saviq: | is there a way to toggle between 'Stereo' and '5.1' capable output? I'd like to be able to switch between alsa passthrough+upmixing and pulse for BT headset |
| [08:08:47] | justinh: | quick! get a camera! somebody here *wants* to use pulseaudio! |
| [08:09:29] | justinh: | and no, there isn't really an easy way to change audio output config. but then, there isn't a really easy way to do that with PA either |
| [08:10:08] | justinh: | you could have 2 frontend launchers instead though – have one run with a setting override to use 'Stereo' & one run with a setting to use 5.1 |
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| [08:10:59] | justinh: | e.g. mythfrontend -O AudioOutputDevice="ALSA:Default" or whatever |
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| [08:13:59] | Saviq: | justinh: I've been using pulse successfully under Myth for over a year now |
| [08:14:41] | justinh: | whoop de doo ;-) |
| [08:14:58] | justinh: | I don't want/need no steenkin pulseaudio |
| [08:15:00] | Saviq: | and I would be fine with switching in PA with the only issue that it doesn't yet have passthrough |
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| [08:15:25] | justinh: | how's the audio sync? |
| [08:15:45] | Saviq: | no skew that I can notice |
| [08:15:48] | Saviq: | even over BT |
| [08:17:12] | Saviq: | it's there when I turn both outputs simultaneously (i.e. I can compare SPDI/F and BT over PA) |
| [08:17:28] | Saviq: | but when using only one output it's unnoticable |
| [08:17:44] | justinh: | yeh well encoding & decoding audio over bluetooth is bound to cause some latency |
| [08:17:50] | justinh: | as with USB |
| [08:17:51] | Saviq: | and well, it's not like A2DP has any mechanisms to sync |
| [08:19:11] | justinh: | since I got rid of my joggler I think I might look into MPD |
| [08:19:25] | justinh: | still need that whole house audio solution |
| [08:20:03] | justinh: | but now I've set up a tortuous series of recordings to test my update to mythtv.. let's see if it mistakenly sees a tuner in use when it isn't now |
| [08:20:56] | Saviq: | yeah I was wondering about some simple networked audio sinks like AirTunes that would show up in my volume control |
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| [08:23:24] | Saviq: | but I think some fast and lossless compression between networked PA nodes will be needed sooner than later |
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| [08:26:30] | justinh: | I hope one day soon there's a really good audio solution for linux |
| [08:26:45] | justinh: | one which ticks all the boxes & doesn't suck in any way |
| [08:26:49] | ** justinh laughs ** | |
| [08:27:16] | Saviq: | well, IMO PA is closer than anything else |
| [08:27:36] | justinh: | last time I tried it I couldn't see *any* advantage to it |
| [08:28:00] | justinh: | I know one of the big selling points is that you can have individual app volume controls but that really wasn't very easy to bring up |
| [08:28:12] | justinh: | certainly not as easy as in Vista, e.g. |
| [08:28:40] | Saviq: | for me the most important advantage is BT support |
| [08:28:51] | Saviq: | that does not suck |
| [08:29:20] | Saviq: | I just start my headset and as long as audio is going through PA, it's switched to my headset on the fly |
| [08:29:34] | justinh: | as for switching between devices.. it was about as 'easy' as in Windows |
| [08:30:01] | Saviq: | g-v-c has it done better |
| [08:30:08] | Saviq: | than pavucontrol |
| [08:30:12] | justinh: | and I just don't subscribe to anything which claims to be able to upmix or 'enhance' |
| [08:30:32] | Saviq: | meaning? |
| [08:30:51] | justinh: | well – turning stereo into 5.1... pfft |
| [08:31:16] | justinh: | and I don't want anything messing with digital audio either |
| [08:31:27] | justinh: | software volume controls... meh |
| [08:31:55] | Saviq: | yeah, especially since ac3 has worse compression than most of the streams off the air |
| [08:32:28] | Saviq: | it's obvious – don't do nothing with the stream until it's completely necessary |
| [08:32:42] | Saviq: | and the point varies greatly |
| [08:32:46] | justinh: | everything here is mpeg1 layer 2 anyway |
| [08:33:01] | justinh: | so anything is an improvement on that |
| [08:33:45] | Saviq: | I'm in the lucky place where I'm getting HD from DVB-S2 so it's worth the fight |
| [08:34:30] | justinh: | not sold on HD yet. there's not enough of it about to make getting HD worthwhile here |
| [08:34:39] | justinh: | and it ain't gonna improve the narrative |
| [08:34:51] | achandra: | it appears the netvision python scripts run via command line just fine. But cant seem to get them to populate on the myth FE. Any ideas? |
| [08:35:32] | justinh: | I mean Attack of The Clones is still gonna suck whether it's HD, 3D or not :-P |
| [08:35:41] | justinh: | not that I've ever watched it of course |
| [08:36:18] | justinh: | achandra: probably one of the myriad problems with the bindings on ubuntu. there's likely something about it on the -users mailing list |
| [08:36:47] | achandra: | locales or bindings? |
| [08:37:01] | Saviq: | bbl |
| [08:37:17] | justinh: | maybe even both |
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| [08:39:33] | justinh: | so far so good – but there's nothing in the log at all about a tuner being in use when mythbackend wants it |
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| [09:09:34] | justinh: | wonder what folks hope to achieve by 'reformatting' |
| [09:10:15] | justinh: | does it cleanse all, like fire does? |
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| [10:27:24] | ServerSage: | So can MythTV serve music using upnp? Or is it recordings and video only? |
| [10:28:11] | justinh: | it serves music via upnp |
| [10:28:40] | ServerSage: | justinh: I assumed, seemed pretty clear on the wiki. But my PS3 disagrees. |
| [10:28:59] | justinh: | heh |
| [10:29:07] | justinh: | ps3s disagree with a lot of things |
| [10:29:27] | ServerSage: | justinh: You aren't kidding. Sony really should be ashamed. |
| [10:29:56] | justinh: | see, the U in UPNP might stand for 'universal' but... |
| [10:30:24] | justinh: | any company who use Foxconn to manufacture their goods should be ashemed |
| [10:30:42] | ServerSage: | justinh: Wow, so like 90% of the tech companies? |
| [10:30:52] | justinh: | aye |
| [10:31:23] | ServerSage: | Come on, they put up nets to keep people from jumping. What more do you want? |
| [10:32:31] | justinh: | they could have just used manacles & shackles just the same |
| [10:33:16] | justinh: | anyhoo.. upnp sucks:-) |
| [10:33:58] | ServerSage: | justinh: Sure, it sucks. But I *have* a PS3 in the bedroom. |
| [10:34:09] | justinh: | it's a great idea & all but.. very poorly specced – as in not enough people follow the specs |
| [10:34:10] | ServerSage: | I don't have a computer. |
| [10:34:41] | justinh: | my advice would be to use a server program known to work with the ps3 instead |
| [10:35:27] | ServerSage: | justinh: Sounds like a project for another day. :) I'm off, thanks. |
| [10:36:27] | justinh: | project? find & install program. point it at your music dir. done |
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| [10:49:13] | nomythob: | Anyone managed to get a DTV2000DS to get a channel lock? I have tried so many kernels and firmware combos with no luck |
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| [11:23:15] | justinh: | heh I just can't get my tuners to report themselves as busy at all now |
| [11:23:25] | justinh: | have to see how this pans out |
| [11:34:32] | ** Peitolm wishes myth could serve over daapd, (even if it's a proprietory protocol, it would really help the WAF) ** | |
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| [11:57:33] | justinh: | we don't willingly use itunes in our house |
| [11:58:10] | justinh: | I always get tasked with syncing my wife's ipod & for the life of me I still d don't know how it works when it does do what I want |
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| [12:00:33] | Finswimmer: | Hello, if I upgrade from 0.22 to 0.23.1 will the database/settings/tv programs... deleted? |
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| [12:00:38] | deegan: | I'm glad and at the same time sadened that someone else feels that way about iTunes. Sad for you having to use it but glad knowing that i'm not alone thinking it's mindnumbing trying to figure out what it wants me to do when i just want to add a single track. :) |
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| [12:01:33] | justinh: | Finswimmer: nothing should be deleted if you do it correctly |
| [12:02:12] | Finswimmer: | justinh: Hm. What is correctly? Just emerging the new version via Gentoo? And starting the mythbackend service again? |
| [12:02:52] | justinh: | Finswimmer: I always run mythtv-setup after an update to be on the safe side |
| [12:03:52] | Finswimmer: | justinh: Thanks. I will try it :) |
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| [12:10:45] | rulet: | What date will be realise of 0.24? |
| [12:10:53] | justinh: | when it's ready :-) |
| [12:11:14] | rulet: | I've heard this month |
| [12:11:43] | justinh: | there was a plan to release already but there are a few serious issues blocking it |
| [12:12:09] | rulet: | problems with sound? |
| [12:13:15] | justinh: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/report/3 |
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| [12:14:27] | justinh: | just hurry up already guys! rulet wants 0.24 NOW ;-) |
| [12:14:36] | justinh: | bugger. he left already |
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| [13:39:47] | Finswimmer: | Hello, I have added mythvidexport.py %JOBID% to mythtv-setup. After pressing "Begin Export to MythVideo" the job exists but is queued. Where can I see, why? |
| [13:40:22] | Finswimmer: | In mythbackend.log is nothing about this job. |
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| [13:43:01] | zplinux: | hi all I had 0.22 now I upgraded to 0.23 and I can't record any new shows |
| [13:43:10] | Finswimmer: | Or...how can I run this job manually to see if it is working? What is the JOBID? |
| [13:43:38] | zplinux: | is there special instructions to upgrade 0.22 -> 0,23? |
| [13:44:47] | Finswimmer: | zplinux: I have just did it a few minutes ago. No problems. Is there something wrong in mythtv-setup? |
| [13:45:19] | zplinux: | well, it runs fine, and shows the settings I had |
| [13:45:48] | zplinux: | btw, does it matter if I run setup as my user or a diffrent (mythtvuser) user? |
| [13:46:19] | zplinux: | i can't even "watch tv" |
| [13:46:44] | Finswimmer: | all mythtv-related things should run by the same user. |
| [13:47:05] | zplinux: | I see |
| [13:47:28] | zplinux: | and in case I use two diffent users, what is the damage and how to fix it? |
| [13:48:13] | Finswimmer: | Do not know. Maybe permission conflicts. It was told me her in IRC. |
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| [14:05:07] | wagnerrp: | Finswimmer: JOBID is the internal id used for the jobqueue |
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| [14:05:26] | wagnerrp: | mythvidexport uses it to find the chanid and starttime for the job |
| [14:05:43] | wagnerrp: | it uses it instead of chanid and starttime so it can also update the database with its current status |
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| [14:09:31] | Finswimmer: | wagnerrp: At the moment I am getting: ERROR: Could not find setting 'mythvideo.TVGrabber' on host 'multimedia'. So I guess I have to add ttvdb in mythtv-setup. (Although I just wanted to get my File from Recordings to Movie...and no renaming or whatever) |
| [14:10:05] | wagnerrp: | what version of mythtv are you running? |
| [14:12:21] | Finswimmer: | 0.23.1_p26437 (Gentoo). It was an upgrade |
| [14:12:40] | wagnerrp: | then you need to run through mythvideo setup on that machine |
| [14:12:50] | wagnerrp: | to get it to populate those settings values with the defaults |
| [14:13:13] | wagnerrp: | go through the grabber setup, and just continue to hit 'next' all the way to the end |
| [14:13:19] | Finswimmer: | Frontend->Setup->mythvideo? |
| [14:13:26] | Finswimmer: | Ok. I'm trying |
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| [14:19:23] | Finswimmer: | wagnerrp: Using configuration directory = /etc/mythtv/.mythtv Do you have an idea, why it is using /etc/ as a prefix? |
| [14:19:44] | wagnerrp: | because that is your $HOME |
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| [14:21:37] | Finswimmer: | wagnerrp: I hope not ;) /home/mythtv/ is my home |
| [14:21:50] | Finswimmer: | echo $HOME |
| [14:21:51] | Finswimmer: | /home/mythtv |
| [14:22:10] | wagnerrp: | youre using the gentoo init scripts? |
| [14:23:02] | Finswimmer: | No. I am starting it manually. /etc/init.d/mythbackend start; su mythtv; mythfrontend |
| [14:23:15] | wagnerrp: | so... yes |
| [14:23:27] | wagnerrp: | see that line 18 in /etc/init.d/mythbackend? |
| [14:23:36] | wagnerrp: | the one where it redefines your home location? |
| [14:24:07] | Finswimmer: | Yeah. |
| [14:24:24] | Finswimmer: | Thank you! |
| [14:26:08] | wagnerrp: | it shouldnt matter either way, since both locations should define the same database |
| [14:27:39] | Finswimmer: | No. /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt does not exist |
| [14:28:09] | wagnerrp: | then the backend wont run |
| [14:30:33] | Sp0tter: | wagnerrp: what tuner card do you use? |
| [14:31:26] | wagnerrp: | -150 and -1250 |
| [14:31:53] | Sp0tter: | they still sell those? |
| [14:32:00] | wagnerrp: | which? |
| [14:32:07] | Sp0tter: | whichever is best |
| [14:32:14] | Sp0tter: | i'm just trying to figure out what to buy that is most compatable and works well |
| [14:32:23] | justinh: | pfff |
| [14:32:28] | wagnerrp: | i cant tell you what is 'best' until i know what you want to record |
| [14:32:33] | justinh: | decide whether you need analogue capture or digital.. or both |
| [14:32:38] | justinh: | or network digital capture.. |
| [14:32:44] | Sp0tter: | digital |
| [14:32:47] | justinh: | or capture from a HD set top box |
| [14:32:50] | wagnerrp: | digital what? |
| [14:32:52] | Sp0tter: | atsc |
| [14:32:55] | justinh: | so a pvr150 is no use to you |
| [14:32:58] | justinh: | :) |
| [14:33:19] | wagnerrp: | then a -1250 will work fine, and is still sold |
| [14:33:31] | Sp0tter: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116028 |
| [14:33:32] | Sp0tter: | that one? |
| [14:33:44] | Sp0tter: | Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1250 Hybrid TV Tuner /Video Recorder 1196 PCI-Express x1 Interface |
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| [14:33:56] | wagnerrp: | thats the one |
| [14:34:05] | Finswimmer: | mythjobqueue -v most gives me: 2010-10–12 16:33:24.372 JobQueue: Skipping 'Export to MythVideo' job for chanid 17403 @ 20101011211000, not allowed to run on this backend. |
| [14:34:07] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [14:34:07] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [14:34:31] | wagnerrp: | Finswimmer: then you have not allowed mythvidexport.py to run on that backend |
| [14:34:40] | wagnerrp: | user job setup in mythtv-setup |
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| [14:35:23] | Sp0tter: | yesterday we were talking about antennas.. I have 5 stations within 5 miles, and 4 that are about 25 miles away.. im' on the 3rd story of abuilding.. is it worth investing in something other than my single little telescoping cheapo antenna? |
| [14:35:39] | Finswimmer: | I have added the /usr/share/mythtv/contrib/user_jobs/mythvidexport.py %JOBID% as Job #1. Or do I have to add python in front of it? |
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| [14:36:34] | Finswimmer: | The user mythtv can start mythvidexport.py within a bash. |
| [14:36:51] | wagnerrp: | the cheapo is good for the five in five, something more expensive will be needed for the other four |
| [14:37:06] | wagnerrp: | Finswimmer: you have not allowed mythvidexport.py to run on that backend |
| [14:40:09] | Sp0tter: | will this -1250 pci-e x1 work in a full x16 slot? |
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| [14:40:27] | wagnerrp: | yes, thats how PCIe works |
| [14:40:40] | Sp0tter: | nifty |
| [14:40:42] | wagnerrp: | everything uses the same command pins |
| [14:40:57] | wagnerrp: | and then they dynamically scale the number of communication channels to whatever both supports |
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| [14:55:50] | Finswimmer: | wagnerrp: i have allowed the job to be run on the backend. mythjobque says: MythSocket(8252d08:9): read <- 9 975 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE UPDATE[]:[]Vampire Diaries[]:[]... |
| [14:56:02] | Finswimmer: | it seems as if it is doing something. but then GetJobsInQueue: Ignore 'Export to MythVideo' Job for chanid 17403 @ 20100224211500 in Errored state. |
| [14:56:30] | Finswimmer: | jobqueue table says: ERROR: External system call failed: code 126 |
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| [14:56:33] | wagnerrp: | youre running mythjobqueue? |
| [14:56:49] | Finswimmer: | yes. mythjobqueue -v all |
| [14:57:00] | wagnerrp: | on the same system as you are running the backend? |
| [14:57:04] | Finswimmer: | yes |
| [14:57:09] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [14:57:13] | Finswimmer: | with the same user. |
| [14:57:17] | wagnerrp: | the backend /is/ a jobqueue |
| [14:57:40] | wagnerrp: | mythjobqueue is just it stripped out of the backend, so you can run it on another machine without running the full backend |
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| [15:03:05] | Finswimmer: | Ok. Good to know. |
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| [15:03:45] | Finswimmer: | But: 2010-10–12 17:00:12.708 JobQueue: Started Export to MythVideo for "Human Target" recorded from channel 17403 at Mon Oct 11 21:10:00 2010 |
| [15:03:59] | Finswimmer: | 2010-10–12 17:00:12.972 JobQueue Error: User Job '/usr/share/mythtv/contrib/user_jobs/mythvidexport.py 500' failed. |
| [15:04:39] | wagnerrp: | that jobid will still be in the database |
| [15:04:48] | wagnerrp: | try running that command manually, and see what happens |
| [15:04:52] | wagnerrp: | you should get a backtrace |
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| [15:08:27] | Finswimmer: | No. I have run /usr/share/mythtv/contrib/user_jobs/mythvidexport.py 500 -v all with my mythtv-user. All I get is Python Database Connections, which are Selecting something. |
| [15:09:25] | Finswimmer: | Just a sec. |
| [15:09:33] | wagnerrp: | pastebin whatever you have |
| [15:09:54] | wagnerrp: | there is almost no logging in mythvidexport itself |
| [15:10:10] | wagnerrp: | but there should be enough being pulled from the bindings to figure out where its going wrong |
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| [15:12:49] | Finswimmer: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/z2msm6uk |
| [15:14:56] | Finswimmer: | tmdb.py had the wrong permission. |
| [15:15:11] | Finswimmer: | No I get: ERROR: not all arguments converted during string formatting |
| [15:17:17] | wagnerrp: | the data grab from thetvdb.com failed, so it dropped back to the generic output |
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| [15:44:08] | Finswimmer: | The Generic Output seems to be the Titel. But no subtitle? |
| [15:44:28] | wagnerrp: | the generic output is whatever you tell it to be |
| [15:44:37] | wagnerrp: | the default is 'Videos/%TITLE%' |
| [15:51:40] | Finswimmer: | Where is this specified? |
| [15:51:55] | wagnerrp: | the database |
| [15:52:03] | wagnerrp: | see mythvidexport.py --help |
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| [15:57:29] | cleith: | hello |
| [15:57:38] | cleith: | anybody kicking around? |
| [16:00:25] | cleith: | When watching livetv, if I rewind a bit and then fast forward, once I reach the current point my frontend crashes. Anybody seen this before? |
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| [16:01:48] | iamlindoro: | Just ask a question if you have a question. |
| [16:02:05] | wagnerrp: | cleith: running trunk? |
| [16:02:19] | cleith: | 0.23.1 from rpmfusion |
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| [16:03:48] | cleith: | Oddly, if I only fast forward say 3X, when it reaches the current recording point it just goes to play mode (as I would expect), but if I fast forward too fast, say 10X, the frontend hangs and eventually livetv exits back to the menu screen. |
| [16:04:53] | Finswimmer: | Ok. I have managed to change the Generic to Videos/%TITLE% – %SUBTITLE%. But why does he not sees that is is a TV-show and uses the default for TV? |
| [16:05:13] | wagnerrp: | Finswimmer: because the tvdb.py call has found no results |
| [16:05:21] | wagnerrp: | that is the /real/ problem you should be fixing |
| [16:07:07] | Finswimmer: | Ok. I'll try... |
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| [16:17:01] | cleith: | wagnerrp: any ideas? |
| [16:17:33] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [16:17:39] | wagnerrp: | erm... dont use livetv |
| [16:17:41] | wagnerrp: | :) |
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| [16:19:29] | cleith: | wagnerrp: lol, I don't often |
| [16:19:34] | cleith: | Thanks |
| [16:19:38] | cleith: | Later |
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| [16:30:04] | iamlindoro: | jesus, mike@grounded accounts for like 75% of our mailing list traffice, personally |
| [16:30:07] | iamlindoro: | er traffic |
| [16:36:25] | wagnerrp: | he would talk more if we werent being so rude to him |
| [16:36:33] | wagnerrp: | how date i repeatedly complain about his broken emails |
| [16:37:52] | wagnerrp: | i have /never/ heard of anyone having so much difficulty with the nvidia drivers in recent history |
| [16:38:10] | wagnerrp: | i think the PEBCAK comment was spot on |
| [16:40:37] | iamlindoro: | I am literally actively ignoring the entire list right now because the volume of useless noise has gone way, way up |
| [16:41:01] | iamlindoro: | He responds to every message written in a thread, usually with something that doesn't further the conversation |
| [16:41:33] | wagnerrp: | and usually with large amounts of unneeded logs |
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| [16:48:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: what do you think of the idea of removing http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_Auto_Login#No_Window_Manager |
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| [16:49:40] | wagnerrp: | hey Beirdo, when did you start rumerations of gputrans? http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sec . . . PN/7,813,570 |
| [16:50:21] | wagnerrp: | sphery: sounds good to me |
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| [16:51:21] | wagnerrp: | the first mention on your page, purchasing books for such a purpose, seems to come just weeks after their original filing |
| [16:51:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: cool.. wanted to make sure I'm not alone in my desire to remove it |
| [16:51:46] | Finswimmer: | /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/ttvdb.py -l de -N "Two and a Half Men" "Teddy ist unser Daddy" is working. But still mythvidexport.py 501 results in the Generic file name pattern. |
| [16:52:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Running no window manager can save valuable memory in your system, and if not needed can be seen as a "cleaner" way of running. Some systems will not properly support running sans window manager though so a few lightweight window managers can be used. |
| [16:52:57] | Beirdo: | before that, I think |
| [16:53:00] | sphery: | yeah, "cleaner" |
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| [16:53:56] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [16:53:57] | Beirdo: | after |
| [16:53:59] | Beirdo: | crap |
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| [16:54:15] | Beirdo: | not long after though |
| [16:54:22] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: well... no matter |
| [16:54:29] | wagnerrp: | its an antiquated technique anyway |
| [16:54:41] | Beirdo: | 2005/03/30 is the first checkin |
| [16:55:01] | wagnerrp: | it specifically talks about running motion compensation on the gpu, with everything else on the cpu |
| [16:55:26] | wagnerrp: | modern gpus are far more flexible, so any recently programmed code would run most if not all on the gpu |
| [16:56:17] | iamlindoro: | You know what, I'm marking mike@grounded as spam for my sanity |
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| [16:56:51] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: very good plan |
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| [16:58:40] | iamlindoro: | ahh, much better |
| [16:58:58] | wagnerrp: | Finswimmer: looks like it should work here |
| [17:00:33] | Finswimmer: | it seems as if mythvidexport.py:155 is the problem...But I do not know why.. |
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| [17:04:34] | sphery: | wagnerrp: "I seem to be fighting some weird hardware combinations or something"... Is he still trying to run mythtv on his P3 blade servers? |
| [17:05:01] | wagnerrp: | yes, hes using a PCI-to-PCIe adapter board |
| [17:05:12] | wagnerrp: | or maybe PCI-X |
| [17:05:36] | wagnerrp: | all that matters is the connection, right? |
| [17:05:51] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [17:05:56] | sphery: | wow... |
| [17:06:12] | sphery: | but imagine how much money he's saving at the expense of all this time |
| [17:06:13] | wagnerrp: | (me just made that up, hes probably not doing that) |
| [17:06:17] | sphery: | (his and all his stuff) |
| [17:06:31] | sphery: | er, his and all the responders on the list |
| [17:06:47] | sphery: | heh, I see |
| [17:07:14] | sphery: | anyway, unless he's updated to modern hardware, I'm surprised he's surprised to find his hardware is "weird" |
| [17:10:28] | ** wagnerrp is amazed by all the FUD on slashdot about this patent ** | |
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| [17:11:21] | bjn: | these new system events, on the wiki its says its possible to send them from the command line with mythbackend --systemevent <event>, is there a list of the actual events somewhere? on the wiki page theres just a list of them but its in plain text which I'm guessing its not the actual event... |
| [17:11:30] | bjn: | this page, http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_System_Events |
| [17:11:30] | sphery: | wagnerrp: OK, I haven't read the patent--I don't read patents unless a patent attorney tells me to--but from your description above about running motion compensation on the GPU, isn't that just XvMC? |
| [17:11:47] | wagnerrp: | sphery: basically XvMC in reverse |
| [17:12:00] | sphery: | oh, so CMvX? :) |
| [17:12:11] | wagnerrp: | sure, something like that |
| [17:12:20] | wagnerrp: | compensated motion for video on X? |
| [17:12:38] | devinheitmueller: | It's sort of kind of similar but not quite the same as XvMC. You know, it's awesome enough to be patentable while not quite awesome enough for XvMC to be prior art to invalidate it! |
| [17:13:07] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: but more importantly, its entirely outdated by modern programmable shaders |
| [17:13:20] | wagnerrp: | theres no reason to limit yourself to only offloading MC |
| [17:13:30] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, but this is *older* so programmable shaders violate the patent! Genius, right? |
| [17:13:31] | wagnerrp: | and by offloading more than MC, you are no longer covered under the patent |
| [17:13:45] | devinheitmueller: | ;-) |
| [17:13:51] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: ah, the fine line... |
| [17:13:56] | sphery: | patents are so wonderful |
| [17:14:11] | wagnerrp: | bjn: you should only be manually triggering the 'USER' events, as indicated on that page |
| [17:14:16] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: indeed. That's why I have them. They look good on my resume... |
| [17:14:24] | sphery: | that they do |
| [17:14:46] | wagnerrp: | USER_0 through USER_9 |
| [17:14:49] | devinheitmueller: | On second thought, I'm not sure I even have them on my resume. Never mind. |
| [17:14:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: wonder if we're checking that in code |
| [17:14:55] | sphery: | probably should be |
| [17:14:57] | bjn: | wagnerrp: ok, I thought it was possible to do that for debugging purposes |
| [17:15:12] | bjn: | so instead of starting/stopping recordings I could just fire off the event ;) |
| [17:15:17] | sphery: | (maybe with a #if debug section to allow devs to compile for testing) |
| [17:15:25] | wagnerrp: | bjn: the issue is that the other events are going to come with additional information |
| [17:15:46] | wagnerrp: | and if you trigger them manually, it wont have that information, and may cause problems for code that expects it |
| [17:15:55] | bjn: | wagnerrp: aah, see your point |
| [17:16:07] | wagnerrp: | its not for debugging, but rather for issuing your own events |
| [17:16:18] | wagnerrp: | perhaps you have a 'shutdown' event triggered by cron on some machine |
| [17:16:50] | wagnerrp: | at 11pm, you send the event, and all connected machines stop whatever playback they are currently doing, turn off tvs, turn off lights, go into standby, etc... |
| [17:17:57] | devinheitmueller: | WTF? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DViCO_FusionHDTV_D . . . Installation |
| [17:18:21] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: yeah, weve got like half a dozen of those |
| [17:18:27] | wagnerrp: | all for various DViCO cards |
| [17:18:31] | devinheitmueller: | Lord. |
| [17:18:43] | wagnerrp: | all by the same guy no less |
| [17:18:48] | devinheitmueller: | Because you know, configuring your ATI Radeon card has alot to do with getting this Dvico card running. |
| [17:19:07] | devinheitmueller: | Oh, same goes for DVD ripping and remote accessing your MythTV box. |
| [17:19:09] | devinheitmueller: | WTF. |
| [17:19:17] | bjn: | yes... thats my next step.. to dim the lights when playback is starting.. right now i'm trying to fire off my update script which uses mythlink to export my recordings and tells plex to update the database.. but the script isnt executed |
| [17:19:27] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Talk:DViCO_FusionH . . . Installation |
| [17:19:40] | wagnerrp: | my sentiments exactly |
| [17:21:02] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Talk:DViCO_FusionH . . . Installation |
| [17:21:53] | devinheitmueller: | "I bought the following Setup on 20/11/2009 from http://www.gamedude.com.au. I dislike them because you have to wait so long in line to purchase and after sales service sucks but they do have a good selection of cases" |
| [17:22:03] | devinheitmueller: | LOL |
| [17:22:09] | devinheitmueller: | Ok, I'm actually crying, not laughing. |
| [17:22:11] | devinheitmueller: | COL? |
| [17:22:28] | ** devinheitmueller finishes his lunch and goes back to work. ** | |
| [17:22:36] | wagnerrp: | dont do that, youll get branded an emo |
| [17:22:53] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:23:06] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: yes, i went through all the same emotions a few weeks ago |
| [17:23:23] | sphery: | oh, cool... Now I /finally/ have some instructions for setting up my Ubuntu 6.10. |
| [17:24:10] | lyricnz: | I don't think that the content at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DViCO_FusionHDTV_D . . . Installation is completely useful. It's an example of a walkthrough for one particular use-case. |
| [17:24:25] | lyricnz: | s/useful/useless/ |
| [17:24:41] | wagnerrp: | lyricnz: no, its completely useless |
| [17:24:56] | sphery: | but it's not a page that should be called "DViCO_FusionHDTV_DVB-T_Dual_Digital_Installation" |
| [17:24:57] | devinheitmueller: | I won't argue that there is value to walkthroughs so people can share their installation experience. But it should *NOT* be under a topic describing a particular tuner card. |
| [17:24:58] | lyricnz: | I know that its not exactly mythtv specific, but some users are starting from scratch – they just use linux to use mythtv |
| [17:25:10] | lyricnz: | Oh totally, the page name is bad |
| [17:25:16] | wagnerrp: | as there already is documentation on setting up ubuntu 9.10, and setting up mythtv on ubuntu 9.10, and setting up that tuner card, and configuring a kernel, and setting up a digital tuner on mythtv, and... |
| [17:25:37] | wagnerrp: | basically, there is already general documentation elsewhere for each one of these steps |
| [17:25:46] | wagnerrp: | the page need not exist |
| [17:25:47] | lyricnz: | so what? it's handy to have a complete walkthrough, and it's nice to have in once place. |
| [17:25:54] | lyricnz: | sheesh, why make it hard for everyone? |
| [17:26:04] | devinheitmueller: | I want to welcome people to contribute content to the Wiki. It's badly needed. But they need to be making a *positive* step toward making the Wiki better and easier to find information. |
| [17:26:05] | lyricnz: | it's not like a page on the wiki "costs" anything |
| [17:26:07] | wagnerrp: | and if the user wanted to write it anyway, it should either be on his own page, or at least within his user page |
| [17:26:32] | wagnerrp: | lyricnz: the problem with wikis is that they get cluttered |
| [17:26:34] | devinheitmueller: | lyricnz: It decreases the signal/noise ratio, making it harder to find the *actual* content. |
| [17:26:42] | wagnerrp: | this page is just adding unnecessary clutter |
| [17:26:57] | ** devinheitmueller goes back to making tuners, for real this time. ** | |
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| [17:27:15] | wagnerrp: | making tuners? |
| [17:27:19] | wagnerrp: | i thought you were a software guy |
| [17:27:34] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Well, it's not like the guy could have created a page with a list of steps then linked to the other pages that provide documentation on those steps. This isn't HyperCard. It's the World Wide Web. |
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| [17:27:52] | tgm4883: | oh yea, thats not a good page to have IMO |
| [17:29:24] | ** lyricnz sighs ** | |
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| [17:33:08] | tgm4883: | well it's not all bad |
| [17:33:26] | tgm4883: | why is it all under a Ubuntu 6.10 (or any specific distro) heading? |
| [17:34:16] | lyricnz: | There's no doubt the heading is bad, but this is just another case of an OSS project being so insular as to not consider different kinds of users |
| [17:34:32] | tgm4883: | and there we go |
| [17:34:50] | lyricnz: | In these guys heads, everyone is an ubernerd linux guru linux-tv knowing superstar. |
| [17:34:54] | tgm4883: | on the contrary, I think it is you not considering other users |
| [17:35:00] | lyricnz: | meh |
| [17:36:10] | lyricnz: | Come on – I *am* the same ubernerd as you guys, been running mythtv for ~7 years, linux for 18 years, etc. I'm not speaking for my *own* requirements here. |
| [17:36:28] | iamlindoro: | We've got a wiki edit war brewing |
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| [17:37:09] | tgm4883: | lyricnz, is this a generic doc for installing a particular tuner on any distro? |
| [17:37:16] | lyricnz: | No. So what? |
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| [17:37:33] | lyricnz: | I don't care enough to register, or find my password. No doubt, it will be decided by some heavy-handed moderation, and myth will continue to be the crappy closed community that it has always been |
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| [17:37:48] | tgm4883: | lyricnz, ubuntu != linux |
| [17:37:57] | lyricnz: | well duh |
| [17:38:06] | tgm4883: | don't tell me that isn't geared toward a specific subset of users |
| [17:38:18] | tgm4883: | Maybe you should stick that on the mythbuntu wiki? |
| [17:38:36] | ** lyricnz sighs ** | |
| [17:38:51] | tgm4883: | lyricnz, you are right. Nobody elses opinion matters |
| [17:38:58] | ** tgm4883 heads to a meeting ** | |
| [17:39:24] | wagnerrp: | lyricnz: if you think there is worth to that page remaining where it is, then we should have hundred of thousands of pages detailing each hardware and software combination possible with mythtv? |
| [17:39:31] | sphery: | iamlindoro: seems sphery of Troy launched that war |
| [17:39:38] | iamlindoro: | seems so ;) |
| [17:40:06] | simonckenyon: | as voltaire said "The perfect is the enemy of the good" |
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| [17:41:30] | wagnerrp: | lyricnz: the issue is that with pages for each of those hundreds of thousands of combinations, the wiki would become cluttered far beyond any usefulness |
| [17:41:45] | lyricnz: | you're attacking a straw man. |
| [17:41:52] | wagnerrp: | if we cant allow all of them, where do we draw the line? |
| [17:41:57] | wagnerrp: | how do we allow some and not others? |
| [17:42:06] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [17:42:12] | wagnerrp: | there is useful information there |
| [17:42:31] | wagnerrp: | some is useful to installing ubuntu on an atom (has nothing to do with mythtv and should be on their wiki) |
| [17:42:45] | wagnerrp: | some is useful to installing mythtv on ubuntu 9.10, we already have a page for that |
| [17:42:53] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: how about we create a section called "user tutorials", where we explicitly state that the information is based on user experiences and may not be accurate. |
| [17:43:00] | lyricnz: | Sure |
| [17:43:08] | sphery: | dont' we have that section? |
| [17:43:11] | lyricnz: | but why fragment it? some guy went to the hassle of documenting his stuff. and it would be infinitely useful to someone wanting to do more-or-less the same thing |
| [17:43:13] | devinheitmueller: | Then anybody who wants to describe their experience can do such without it cluttering up the topic specific pages. |
| [17:43:15] | wagnerrp: | some is useful to installing a dvico card, or that card on ubuntu... the linuxtv and ubuntu wikis respectively |
| [17:43:21] | lyricnz: | Ugh |
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| [17:43:48] | wagnerrp: | lyricnz: the problem is that there should not be a howto of that sort |
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| [17:43:56] | lyricnz: | several of the most popular pages on the wiki are about installing to specific platforms. eg 42. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_on_Fedora (121,988 views) |
| [17:44:05] | wagnerrp: | the wiki /should/ be set up such that the generic pages this data was pulled from is readily accessible |
| [17:44:06] | devinheitmueller: | lyricnz: because his commentary is *much* more than what the topic claims to be – "getting a Dvico card to work". |
| [17:44:06] | lyricnz: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Opensuse_10.3 (116,585 views) |
| [17:44:49] | wagnerrp: | lyricnz: yes, and to be honest, i have the same opinion of those pages as well |
| [17:45:13] | wagnerrp: | theres no need for them to put out a new massive (~120kb) page for each new release of suse |
| [17:45:22] | lyricnz: | WHO CARES? |
| [17:45:24] | wagnerrp: | when nearly all the information is duplicate from the past version |
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| [17:45:32] | lyricnz: | They're very useful to those who they are useful to |
| [17:45:43] | wagnerrp: | the point is that theyre not useful |
| [17:45:58] | wagnerrp: | theres far too much information on that page to sift through to get to what you actually need |
| [17:45:59] | lyricnz: | Everything you've ever wanted to know is already on the web somewhere. Why write *anything*? |
| [17:46:49] | lyricnz: | Who cares if there's a few dozen "howto's" that cover end-to-end installation. They are super useful |
| [17:47:23] | lyricnz: | Look how popular that fedora+myth faq got, which covers exactly the same thing |
| [17:47:43] | lyricnz: | the wilsonnet one |
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| [17:49:02] | wagnerrp: | the fedora page doesnt have any hardware specific information |
| [17:49:09] | wagnerrp: | its all general fedora/mythtv setup |
| [17:49:16] | iamlindoro: | The author of that FAQ abandoned writing it precisely because the generic myth documentation was written and improved |
| [17:49:34] | iamlindoro: | it was popular because it was the *only* source of comprehensive myth docs when it was written |
| [17:50:24] | wagnerrp: | i must be looking at the wrong thing |
| [17:50:43] | lyricnz: | wagnerrp: if you want to make a meta-page, that links to 20 different places, to accomplish the same thing as outlined on the page in question, that would be fine. but until you do that, it has value, even from just the collation of the knowledge. imho of course ;) |
| [17:50:45] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Jarod's original FAQ from 2002 or so that he hosted on his personal web site |
| [17:50:57] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [17:51:03] | AndyCap: | this one http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ |
| [17:51:04] | lyricnz: | http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php |
| [17:51:24] | lyricnz: | That's one that I used to set up a few systems, it was really really useful |
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| [18:57:51] | wagnerrp: | !seen dubstar_04 |
| [18:57:52] | MythLogBot: | dubstar_04 was last seen 61 days 41 minutes 14 seconds ago |
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| [19:13:52] | Aqua: | afternoon folks |
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| [19:14:49] | wagnerrp: | ok then... |
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| [20:03:47] | iamlindoro: | There are going to be a lot of these "Myth metadata is broken" BS complaints next release if the ubuntu packages still have this "leave the old bindings" issue |
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| [20:08:28] | wagnerrp: | should i alter the 'uninstall' command to walk through every path defined in the python search path? |
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| [20:08:47] | wagnerrp: | at least give a quick way to fix things |
| [20:08:51] | wagnerrp: | uninstall followed by install |
| [20:09:07] | wagnerrp: | or maybe make an 'uninstall_all' that behaves that way |
| [20:09:42] | iamlindoro: | dunno |
| [20:12:21] | sphery: | or maybe as a script that people who have broken systems can run separately from an install? |
| [20:12:23] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, fix commited last night https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/624064 |
| [20:12:35] | sphery: | i.e. probably doesn't need to be in the official mythtv configure/Make system |
| [20:12:35] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883: great |
| [20:12:36] | tgm4883: | i'm assuming that is what you are talking about |
| [20:12:43] | iamlindoro: | hmm, nope |
| [20:12:51] | iamlindoro: | The problem isn't that the scripts are missing |
| [20:13:10] | tgm4883: | different issue? |
| [20:13:11] | iamlindoro: | The problem is that Mythbuntu packages are either leaving an old copy of the bindings or not installing the new ones |
| [20:13:12] | wagnerrp: | its that the old bindings still exist |
| [20:13:18] | wagnerrp: | and the old module is getting picked up before the new one |
| [20:13:32] | tgm4883: | I don't think we have a bug filed for that? |
| [20:13:47] | wagnerrp: | one installed to /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages, the other to /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages |
| [20:13:50] | wagnerrp: | or something like that |
| [20:14:47] | gbee: | iamlindoro: in case you didn't notice the commit or wiki change, the osd font restriction no longer applies, you can inherit fonts from base.xml which should simplify things a bit |
| [20:15:07] | iamlindoro: | gbee: I noticed, thanks |
| [20:15:12] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Nice improvement |
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| [20:16:51] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, is that on all builds? trunk builds? updated from previous version builds? |
| [20:17:02] | wagnerrp: | mainly showing up on trunk |
| [20:17:07] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883: trunk builds, presumably those updated from old builds since they appear to have old bindings installed |
| [20:17:23] | gbee: | iamlindoro: I might work on lifting the widget inheritance restriction as well for 0.25 |
| [20:17:35] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010 . . . /299527.html |
| [20:17:35] | gbee: | I've got an idea how to make that work |
| [20:17:48] | iamlindoro: | gbee: That would be nice, would simplify explaining it to themers |
| [20:18:05] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: the behavior in that email is that of an old version of 0.23 |
| [20:18:07] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, ok, and just so when I try to reproduce this, what lack of functionality am I looking for? |
| [20:18:21] | wagnerrp: | 0.23.1 includes that 'mythpython' command |
| [20:18:22] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883: Basically MythVideo will say that there are no results for any metadata lookup |
| [20:18:29] | tgm4883: | ok |
| [20:18:39] | wagnerrp: | and trunk has completely different output from its metadata grabbers |
| [20:18:43] | iamlindoro: | because trunk bindings+scripts output an XML format-- and those with the old bindings installed will get a text list instead |
| [20:18:43] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, so a 0.23 to 0.23.1 will do it? |
| [20:19:06] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: no, because the internal naming of 0.23.1 and trunk is completely different |
| [20:19:06] | gbee: | the imagetype <area> stuff will be harder, probably impossible since we need to open the image to know it's size and that defeats the point of caching |
| [20:19:13] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_Universal_Metadata_Format That is what is output in trunk |
| [20:19:44] | iamlindoro: | but users of mythbuntu trunk packages are getting the old style output because the script is just a stub that leverages functionality in the bindings |
| [20:19:51] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: basically, im saying he updated from an original 0.23 install to trunk |
| [20:19:53] | iamlindoro: | thus there is no XML for MythVideo to parse |
| [20:19:58] | tgm4883: | ok, so a 0.23 to trunk |
| [20:20:01] | tgm4883: | skip 0.23.1 |
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| [20:20:17] | wagnerrp: | if your 0.23.1 builds dont have a 'mythpython' function somewhere in /bin, they are similarly broken |
| [20:20:42] | tgm4883: | let me check |
| [20:21:53] | wagnerrp: | it got added in 25154, i dont remember where exactly the point release was |
| [20:22:01] | tgm4883: | would a search for "mythpython" work? |
| [20:22:14] | wagnerrp: | yes, it should show up in your path |
| [20:23:09] | tgm4883: | nope, not showing up on my backend nor my frontend |
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| [21:31:13] | mrec: | Hi, I wonder what does RingBuffer::Peek() do? |
| [21:31:19] | mrec: | reading from the buffer or reading from the device? |
| [21:33:20] | Beirdo: | sounds like it peeks at the buffer |
| [21:33:26] | Beirdo: | use the code, Luke |
| [21:34:08] | mrec: | http://pastebin.com/Xryfa5sR |
| [21:34:11] | mrec: | this is a little bit confusing |
| [21:34:23] | mrec: | why should mythtv bother about the buffer when the stream is about to get shut down? |
| [21:37:18] | Beirdo: | dunno |
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| [21:44:00] | wagnerrp: | heh,,, seems the last time ive scanned channels on my tv was back when we still had analog channels |
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| [22:09:16] | ** Beirdo mumbles something about people putting patches on closed tickets ** | |
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| [22:12:12] | Beirdo: | there |
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| [22:12:23] | Beirdo: | reopened the thing, I'll get to it some other time |
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| [22:13:25] | mrec: | Beirdo: both is ubuntu |
| [22:13:35] | Beirdo: | so? |
| [22:13:35] | mrec: | so it's supposed to work I think |
| [22:13:46] | mrec: | but on the other side there's another issue that the dvb-c interlacer does not work properly |
| [22:13:48] | Beirdo: | look at the version numbers. That's not a match |
| [22:14:01] | mrec: | the menu is jumping up/down seems like even/odd line jumping |
| [22:14:23] | mrec: | Beirdo: can you recommend any distribution which comes with mythtv? |
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| [22:14:34] | Beirdo: | why would I need to do that? |
| [22:14:47] | mrec: | I'm just asking |
| [22:15:06] | Beirdo: | you can use ubuntu on both, but you need the matching VERSION of the packages on both to get a properly supportable configuration |
| [22:15:18] | Beirdo: | use whatever distro you are used to |
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| [22:15:33] | mrec: | Beirdo: the issue is those people don't want to compile |
| [22:15:41] | Beirdo: | and? |
| [22:15:44] | mrec: | things should work |
| [22:15:51] | Beirdo: | that's what mythbuntu is for |
| [22:15:58] | Beirdo: | they have a PPA all setup |
| [22:16:20] | Beirdo: | you have two different versions installed, you need one if you expect things to work right |
| [22:16:30] | Beirdo: | i.e. version number match |
| [22:16:30] | mrec: | let me get back to that user and tell him to use mythubuntu, let's see what will come next |
| [22:16:31] | bjd: | shouldn't use myth imo if you're not prepared to compile |
| [22:16:43] | mrec: | I understand sure |
| [22:16:48] | mrec: | bjd: it's about endusers |
| [22:16:52] | bjd: | sure |
| [22:16:55] | Beirdo: | we are the end users |
| [22:16:55] | mrec: | I don't care about compiling |
| [22:16:58] | mrec: | heh |
| [22:17:08] | mrec: | the other end of endusers not the heading end |
| [22:17:10] | bjd: | but it's kinda a hobbyist thing really |
| [22:17:16] | Beirdo: | huh? |
| [22:17:24] | Beirdo: | there is no "other end of endusers" |
| [22:17:41] | mrec: | the other end of endusers who just want to use linux as if it would be windows heh |
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| [22:17:52] | Beirdo: | he/she who installs is an end user by definition. And there's no support queue here |
| [22:18:03] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [22:18:14] | bjd: | :D |
| [22:18:42] | Beirdo: | these "endusers" can debug like the rest of us :) |
| [22:19:20] | tgm4883: | mrec, we can make it like windows |
| [22:19:28] | mrec: | I'm just trying to help |
| [22:19:33] | mrec: | (that user) |
| [22:19:42] | Beirdo: | tgm4883: make it so they need to reboot if they edit any files at all? :) |
| [22:19:54] | tgm4883: | get RANDOM\n if RANDOM == 4; then shutdown -r |
| [22:20:03] | tgm4883: | Beirdo, no, it needs to shutdown on it's own |
| [22:20:05] | mrec: | Beirdo: rigth go use gdb :D |
| [22:20:05] | mrec: | haha |
| [22:20:21] | Beirdo: | ahhh, yeah, the random BSOD |
| [22:20:34] | Beirdo: | I use gdb a lot, I don't have a problem with it |
| [22:20:51] | mrec: | ya you but others.. |
| [22:23:24] | Beirdo: | it's always fun to debug |
| [22:23:27] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [22:24:37] | mrec: | if it wouldn't take that much time sure |
| [22:25:09] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [22:27:23] | iamlindoro: | mrec, If you are the reporter of #9091, Can you explain what you think the bug is? Or is it just that the logs are printing something that sounds scary? |
| [22:28:25] | iamlindoro: | the NVP "error" can appear when the preview generator runs on something that is not yet available/cannot be opened, which is likely what is happening here, and the peek warning is likely happening as it reads the last bit of the file but there isn't enough left to fill the buffer |
| [22:28:45] | iamlindoro: | neither indicates a bug, so trying to understand what the ticket is for |
| [22:28:57] | mrec: | iamlindoro: I am |
| [22:29:15] | mrec: | the user reported that he cannot start livetv once this issue happened |
| [22:29:31] | mrec: | now the question is if this is a frontend only or a backend related error |
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| [22:30:15] | iamlindoro: | mrec, Can we get the user to report the issue himself? |
| [22:30:32] | iamlindoro: | Obviously you shouldn't have to be responsible for their answers |
| [22:30:59] | iamlindoro: | the player and ringbuffer have been heavily refactored in trunk, though, so our likely first step is going to be to tell them to try trunk |
| [22:31:20] | mrec: | iamlindoro: it's german, there's not much more than I reported |
| [22:32:06] | mrec: | I tested it and everything worked for me so only the user seems to be able to reproduce this |
| [22:32:12] | iamlindoro: | mrec, I'm not sure we're going to be able to get anywhere with this ticket without being able to contact a reporter |
| [22:32:12] | ** Beirdo shrugs and goes to go get coffee ** | |
| [22:32:23] | mrec: | iamlindoro: give it some time |
| [22:32:28] | mrec: | if you have some questions I can forward it |
| [22:32:31] | Beirdo: | mrec: to start with, the user should remedy the version mismatch. |
| [22:32:42] | mrec: | http://support.sundtek.com/index.php/topic,37 . . . html#msg1918 |
| [22:32:45] | mrec: | this is the original post |
| [22:32:48] | Beirdo: | if it's still broken, then try trunk would be my second suggestion |
| [22:32:49] | iamlindoro: | mrec, And I personally would like the user to be on trunk, since .24 is going to be out in a matter of days |
| [22:32:56] | mrec: | told him to fix the version yes |
| [22:32:56] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [22:33:10] | iamlindoro: | They can get trunk packages at http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
| [22:33:55] | mrec: | iamlindoro: that's what I was looking for :-) |
| [22:34:17] | iamlindoro: | mrec, Have him give that a shot (I'm going to update the ticket with that) |
| [22:34:17] | mrec: | if there's any developer with DVB-C we can send him a USB stick for free for testing too |
| [22:34:40] | Beirdo: | be sure to backup the database first |
| [22:34:49] | Beirdo: | in case the user wants to go back |
| [22:34:51] | iamlindoro: | mrec, jannau uses DVB-C exclusively I think, but I don't think he has any issues (and he's hard to corner these days) |
| [22:34:55] | Beirdo: | for whatever reason |
| [22:34:56] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, Myth will do it for him ;) |
| [22:35:05] | Beirdo: | true :) |
| [22:35:14] | Beirdo: | I really need coffee :) |
| [22:35:15] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:35:45] | bjd: | good to do a separate backup tho |
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| [22:35:54] | iamlindoro: | bjd, Why? |
| [22:35:55] | Beirdo: | better safe than sorry |
| [22:36:03] | iamlindoro: | Myth does it for you, and tells you when it couldn't |
| [22:36:07] | Beirdo: | but likely not needed |
| [22:36:10] | mrec: | jannau: are you there? |
| [22:36:33] | bjd: | iamlindoro: it's a good habit to get into imo |
| [22:36:38] | iamlindoro: | bjd, again, why? |
| [22:36:56] | iamlindoro: | As previously mentioned, myth will always do it on any schema change, and will report it to you before making any changes if it fails |
| [22:37:27] | ** iamlindoro suspects the answer is "because I do it" ** | |
| [22:37:32] | bjd: | i'm talking in general |
| [22:37:42] | iamlindoro: | And I'm talking in terms of mythtv |
| [22:37:46] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro> mrec, And I personally would like the user to be on trunk, since .24 is going to be out in a matter of days |
| [22:37:49] | tgm4883: | how many days :) |
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| [22:37:59] | bjd: | if you change something, you should back up the packages/database |
| [22:38:10] | iamlindoro: | bjd, which myth does for you on any change |
| [22:38:16] | Beirdo: | the only exception would be if you are developing, changing the built-in backups and wanna be sure that your changes work |
| [22:38:30] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883, $NumberOfDaysToResolveLastCoupleBlockers + ~2–3 |
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| [22:38:47] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: umm + 2–3?! |
| [22:39:01] | Beirdo: | I think we still will want some sort of RC1 at least, no? |
| [22:39:03] | iamlindoro: | (weeks) |
| [22:39:07] | Beirdo: | oooh |
| [22:39:08] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:39:21] | Beirdo: | that's better, i thought you meant days :) |
| [22:39:25] | iamlindoro: | premature carriage return |
| [22:39:33] | Beirdo: | gotcha |
| [22:39:47] | bjd: | iamlindoro: it's great that is in place to prevent fail but the default behaviour by users should be to backup anyhow regardless? |
| [22:39:51] | tgm4883: | sounds good to me |
| [22:39:56] | Beirdo: | I was thinking, wow, that's quite the accellerated release schedule otherwise |
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| [22:42:31] | bjd: | Heh |
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| [22:43:32] | bjd: | i've seen too many of these apps that upgrade schemas on upgrade (not myth but that doesn't stop me breaking the habit) |
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| [23:10:21] | Beirdo: | WTF is with that mike@grounded dude?! |
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| [23:16:54] | iamlindoro: | heh, is he still going? |
| [23:17:01] | iamlindoro: | because yay my new email filter |
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| [23:19:52] | knightr: | iamlindoro, yes he is... |
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| [23:21:23] | iamlindoro: | god damn it |
| [23:21:27] | iamlindoro: | now you made me look |
| [23:21:43] | iamlindoro: | someone tell him that you cannot mix HVR-1600 + nVidia cards without an extra kernel option |
| [23:21:46] | iamlindoro: | *that's* his issue |
| [23:22:06] | knightr: | iamlindoro, he you asked... :) |
| [23:22:08] | iamlindoro: | vmalloc=256M |
| [23:22:48] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:23:06] | Beirdo: | is there a wiki page we can slap him with? |
| [23:23:32] | knightr: | Beirdo, ml archives... |
| [23:23:40] | iamlindoro: | http://guide.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php? . . . 0&page=3 |
| [23:23:55] | iamlindoro: | Might not want to leave it to him to read, though |
| [23:24:01] | iamlindoro: | since he needs everything spelled out for him |
| [23:24:26] | iamlindoro: | also http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Talk:Hauppauge_HVR-1600 |
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| [23:24:32] | knightr: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/354934 too... |
| [23:24:36] | iamlindoro: | "if you have a Nvida card you will probably need to add "vmalloc=256MB" to end of you Kernel boot line in Grub per Nvidia http://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/ . . . ux.txt" |
| [23:25:00] | iamlindoro: | I am not replying to him, though |
| [23:25:18] | knightr: | ok, I'll do it... |
| [23:26:02] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:26:45] | knightr: | does he have an HVR-1600 though, sound like he has a PVR-500 (I did not read the full thread...) |
| [23:27:42] | iamlindoro: | looks like he might have taken it out |
| [23:27:46] | iamlindoro: | "They aren't exactly apparent. If you read the thread, you'll see how I resolved each problem, one at a time and struggling with problems which I've not found resolve to. At the moment however, things are looking good. It 'appears', but not confirmed that the 1600 I had in the system might have been causing problems." |
| [23:29:15] | knightr: | so will this help to mention it or will he just restart talking about something he no longer seemed to be concerned about? |
| [23:29:26] | iamlindoro: | I honestly have no idea |
| [23:29:31] | iamlindoro: | I just clicked "delete forever" |
| [23:29:57] | Beirdo: | he wants help getting the PVR-500 working |
| [23:29:59] | Beirdo: | jeeeez |
| [23:30:16] | Beirdo: | plug it in, turn the machine on, make sure ivtv is in dmesg, use it |
| [23:30:28] | draioch (draioch!~draioch@109.78.101.75) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | |
| [23:30:42] | Beirdo: | even better... insert Win7 CD... install, use MCE |
| [23:30:45] | knightr: | make sure the firmware load too I guess |
| [23:30:54] | knightr: | Beirdo, :) |
| [23:31:06] | Beirdo: | pesky users that require hand-holding :) |
| [23:32:15] | knightr: | does he have even one tuner working right now? |
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| [23:33:23] | Beirdo: | dunno, don't care :) |
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| [23:38:53] | Beirdo: | if he wants me to care, he needs to start paying me... this is ridiculous |
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| [23:44:58] | knightr: | I still have a PVR-500 and I could try to help him... He seems to get stuck quite fast though so I'm not sure that's something I have time for this week, err, this month, err.. this year... Best thing would be if he got a reply on the MythDora forums since it sounds like what he is using... (or was using) |
| [23:48:20] | Beirdo: | or if he'd just read documentation and try things without giving us the play by play |
| [23:49:29] | knightr: | Beirdo, I looked at the wiki and the info there seems to be pretty good... Only thing I would do different at first glance would be udev rules... |
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| [23:54:55] | knightr: | Beirdo, I guess I don't value life, I've just sent him a private email... |
| [23:55:10] | Beirdo: | you are insane :) heeh |
| [23:55:19] | wagnerrp: | knightr: for what its worth, i bet nearly everyone who responds to him is sending him private emails |
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| [23:55:47] | wagnerrp: | considering his email client is putting his email in the 'reply to' field |
| [23:56:12] | knightr: | Beirdo, that's what I keep telling myself... |
| [23:56:34] | knightr: | wagnerrp, this time though I removed the ml.... |
| [23:56:35] | wagnerrp: | and whats with this gavin guy... 'UB435-Q V2' != 'UB435-Q V1' |
| [23:56:49] | Beirdo: | hey, no dissing me |
| [23:56:54] | Beirdo: | oh wait. Other Gavin |
| [23:57:07] | wagnerrp: | peters, not hurlbut |
| [23:57:23] | Beirdo: | yeah. I know him from university days. |
| [23:57:55] | wagnerrp: | these two cards with different names are actually different |
| [23:57:58] | wagnerrp: | fancy that |
| [23:58:14] | Beirdo: | it's a good warning that they may not be compatible |
| [23:58:18] | Beirdo: | not that many of us care :) |
| [23:58:22] | knightr: | wagnerrp, looks like he's trying to help other people not make the same mistake as him.. |
| [23:59:00] | Beirdo: | it will probably be easily supported, I bet |
| [23:59:13] | Beirdo: | maybe as easy as adding a new USB ID to the driver |
| [23:59:39] | knightr: | Beirdo, like the newest HD PVR... :) |
| [23:59:45] | wagnerrp: | knightr: is he saying the retailer had mislabeled it? |
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