Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, October 9th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

but that may not apply with AHCI, so I don't know how they implemented things...

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sphery:

I just remember using a 200GB PATA HDD on a system with an 8GB limit in the BIOS without issues, so hadn't really thought about how SATA may be a whole other story.

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** wagnerrp didnt really start into computers until a 32GB drive **

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sphery:

heh, yeah, I'm getting way old :)

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: seriously?

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sid3windr:

32GB, thats what, 5 years ago? ;)

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: sure, ive had a computer in the house since i was like 3mo old

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wagnerrp:

but /my/ first computer came with a 32GB drive

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skd5aner:

My first one, I beleive, was 40mb, but I can't remember if that was OEM or after the upgrade

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sid3windr:

sounds like an expensive upgrade at the time ;)

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sphery:

mine had a 40MB HDD--that I paid many hundreds of dollars for

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skd5aner:

MB

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wagnerrp:

"the family's" first computer was dual floppy with a 20MB

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skd5aner:

yea, I'm not even counting the Tandy that I have sitting in a box in my attic ;)

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sphery:

my dad had a TRS-80 Model I Level II with a casette player

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wagnerrp:

guess i better get to those optical disks

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sphery:

I remember sticking a tape in and waiting 45min to load up Lunar Lander or Pinball

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skd5aner:

yea, the tandy has a cassette player, 5.25" and cartriges! OPTIONS!!! :D

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sphery:

we didn't get a 5 1/4" drive until we got our Model 4P (portable!)

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skd5aner:

love it

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sphery:

that was the slightly-larger-than-a-sewing-machine "portable" computer

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skd5aner:

I admit, I was a wee little tyke back then

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sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80#Model_4

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sphery:

memories...

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skd5aner:

my "first" computer that I was allowed to call my own was an Apple Mac LC

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** Beirdo didn't have a TRASH-80 **

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** Beirdo had a PET-4032 **

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sphery:

My first computer that I owned was an 80386DX 16MHz

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skd5aner:

yea, we had one of those too

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skd5aner:

was my dad's...

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skd5aner:

good times

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sid3windr:

first self owned was a 386 sx 20MHz

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sid3windr:

\o/

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sid3windr:

big badass machine =)

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skd5aner:

I guess an interesting question would be what was your first exposure to "the internet"?

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skd5aner:

I think we got a modem when we purchased prodigy

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sid3windr:

10MB RAM, 380M disk spread over 3, sb pro 2... some perks by having an uncle working at compaq ;)

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wagnerrp:

compuserve, early 90s

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sphery:

I used it before commerce did--and on a fast link

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sid3windr:

hehe

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sid3windr:

GO MYTHTV

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sphery:

1990

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Beirdo:

heheh

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skd5aner:

yea, we had compuserve too, and AOL 1.0 – all at the same time

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Beirdo:

go FidoNet

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sphery:

technically, I was using AARPA Net

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** Beirdo ran a FidoNet node :) **

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skd5aner:

prodigy though was our entry – I would have to say circa 1990

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** sid3windr too **

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skd5aner:

Haynes modem 1200bps maybe?

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Beirdo:

Hayes? and no... i started with a Supra 2400 :) and a 300 baud POS on the C64

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skd5aner:

Hayes modems, not haynes... hah, long time, memory fuzzy

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skd5aner:

best online game I ever played was on AOL, believe it or not

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wagnerrp:

something released in september?

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skd5aner:

RPG – Neverwinter Nights (the original) – DOS based, 500 simultaneous players

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skd5aner:

6+ years ahead of anything else that even compared to a MMORPG

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skd5aner:

You could also play the original air warrior for a little while, then it ended up going to the web

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Beirdo:

bah

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Beirdo:

MUD :)

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Beirdo:

I feel like mudding, actually

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skd5aner:

heh – never got too much into MUDs, a little, but perfered a GUI :)

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** skd5aner steps into the tavern to get a pint of ale before his quest **

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skd5aner:

heh

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Beirdo:

guis suck :)

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skd5aner:

actually – skd5aner is actually a name I used to use in NWN

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Beirdo:

I used to play on my serial terminal... in bed.

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skd5aner:

It's about 17 years old I guess now – just hung on to it for random things

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skd5aner:

like this

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

I got this nickname... 18 years ago

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skd5aner:

SK was the prefix for the guild I was in :)

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Beirdo:

holy crapola

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joe1:

hey folks. looking for some assistance setting up lirc serial ir blaster to power on/off my panasonic tv

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joe1:

no interested in sending any ir signals to my computer – just purely want to be able to irsend over serial to turn on/off my tv

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joe1:

i've been looking for weeks – but the majority of the lirc content i can find is mostly about receiving and transmitting to a cable box for channel change purposes.

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wagnerrp:

the same procedure can be used for your purposes

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wagnerrp:

just capture the powercode for your tv, and send that instead of of the numerical code

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joe1:

television = Panasonic Viera TC-P42G10; serial ir transmitter = http://cgi.ebay.com/IR-Blaster-Serial-LIRC-My . . . t_500wt_1008

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joe1:

problem is that when i try irsend i get error that says hardware not compatible...

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joe1:

i removed lirc and think i need to install from source

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sphery:

sounds like your lirc was configured to use the /dev/input stuf

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sphery:

versus using lirc drivers

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joe1:

hum... well i am also trying to use the freemotecontrol program to control myth from blackberry over bluetooth or wifi. that has been working great for me once i got it configured. i know a few months ago when i compiled it, i had to do something with lirc

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joe1:

maybe that it messing me up with this...

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joe1:

my tv is also connected to my computer via hdmi. does anyone know of a way to power the tv on/off via hdmi-cec/

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wagnerrp:

not at current

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wagnerrp:

video cards do not support it

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wagnerrp:

and while there are some boxes you can purchase to fit inline, with a USB connector

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wagnerrp:

there is no common interface to use with CEC

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wagnerrp:

each manufacturer implements it with their own codes and formats

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wagnerrp:

were right back to the half dozen serial interfaces that each manufacturer previously used

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wagnerrp:

aint technology grand?

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joe1:

:'(

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joe1:

do you know where i can find the power codes for my tv

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clever:

just crack the damn tv open and stick a relay on the power switch and a sense on the power led!

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wagnerrp:

from your tv remote

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joe1:

my searches have only found stb commands

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clever:

or try ir blasting the tv

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wagnerrp:

run 'mode2', point the remote at your receiver, and press the power button

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joe1:

i don't have an ir receiver though. i just have that home brew serial ir blaster

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joe1:

clever – my initial plan is to do via ir

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clever:

an ir LED is somewhat sensitive to IR as a receiver, though it lacks the 48khz demodulation that you need for an ir receiver

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clever:

so it cant be used on its own to hack up a receiver

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clever:

the only receivers i have are locked to there own codes, mode2 wont handle them

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joe1:

i don't want a receiver

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wagnerrp:

then youre at the whim of the internets to find your power code

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clever:

but you need a receiver to record the remote and then blast

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joe1:

i just want to use my transmitter need to find the code for panasonic viera tc-p42g10

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wagnerrp:

we cant help you there

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joe1:

i don't want to use an ir remote when its all set up. i want to use freemote control in combination with my dinivio mini as my only controllers

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clever:

wagnerrp: he could always mail the remote to you and have you record it:P

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joe1:

lol

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joe1:

well even if i had the codes, i still am having trouble getting anything sent via irsend

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joe1:

the serial blaster i got should light up when it transmits (per the product description)

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wagnerrp:

sure, in infrared

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Beirdo:

grr

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wagnerrp:

got a cell phone with a camera, or webcam, or digital camera with video of any sort?

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Beirdo:

my ABC affiliate is giving crappy OTA reception on my crappy antenna

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joe1:

so even if the code is wrong, i am still in need of some help configuring lirc if anyone has the time and patience

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sphery:

some ir remotes have visible leds, too, to let you know they're "working"

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sphery:

er, ir transmitters

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joe1:

yes this one has a visible led

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joe1:

is there a solid test command i can send to make sure its working

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clever:

joe1: id check it with an ir sensitive camera next then

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Beirdo:

if it has a visible LED, why would you need an IR-sensitive camera?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: just to make sure

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joe1:

i'll check both just to be sure, but what command can i send from terminal to send an ir signal to the ir led over a serial connection

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clever:

Beirdo: the ir led could be bad or triggering seperately

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clever:

i think the visible led doesnt blink the IR code, its just solid on via a 2nd command

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Beirdo:

I see...

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clever:

that 2nd command could be either internal and automatic, or external and part of the drivers

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Beirdo:

joe1: assuming you are using lirc.... irsend

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joe1:

i am. isn't there additional syntax needed

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Beirdo:

man irsend

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Beirdo:

documentation is a good thing :)

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joe1:

:-D

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wagnerrp:

so now that im forced to re-rip all these HDDVDs... should i try to piece together any of the other five cuts of blade runner?

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Beirdo:

rerip?!

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you are almost as unlucky as me!

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wagnerrp:

yeah, snafu with the RAID card resulted in the drive those were stored on getting whiped

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Beirdo:

gah!

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wagnerrp:

the disk itself was damaged

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wagnerrp:

i tried swapping control boards and plugging it in

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wagnerrp:

but with my raid array in a degraded state

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sphery:

deg-raid-ed state

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wagnerrp:

my raid card will automatically start rebuilding onto any drive of sufficient size inserted while the system is live

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sphery:

so you lost the 600GB of HD-DVD rips?

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Beirdo:

I think that RAID card is headed for ebay

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i could try recovering it... but with the first few GB of the disk wiped, its not really worth the effort

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clever:

nice, auto-format! :P

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sphery:

yeah, at least it's just rips of your media

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sphery:

so it is recoverable--even if it is a lot of work

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Beirdo:

anything can be recoverable with enough work

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sphery:

and proper equipment :)

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Beirdo:

and/or money

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Beirdo:

yeah

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sphery:

yeah

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Beirdo:

but when it's rips of media you own... it's debatable if it's worth putting in much more than a few hours trying to recover rather than re-rip

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Beirdo:

and it sounds like that decision has been made :)

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Beirdo:

now... what was I gonna look into tonight?

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wagnerrp:

backdoor sluts 9

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Beirdo:

ummm, I don't have that movie...

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Beirdo:

hhehe

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achew22:

I'm trying to set up subtitles on a mythbox but the text is clipped well below the screen (only on ripped movies that have closed captions embedded). Is there a setting that allows you to change the y positioning of subtitles? In playing with it I've gotten totem (I think that is based on ffmpeg but I'm not sure) to exhibit the same problem. Is this something I should report upstream?

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iamlindoro:

achew22, No. Subtitles are not handled well in .23, but are handled extremely well in trunk, which will be .24 in a few weeks

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iamlindoro:

if you see off-screen subtitles when that is out, then you can open a bug with us-- but I suspect you won't

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iamlindoro:

(see a problem, that is)

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achew22:

iamlindoro: I just googled for "mythtv off-screen subtitles" and nothing came up that immediately jumped out at me saying "this is where you should look for more info" do you know where I could get more info on that?

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iamlindoro:

more info on what?

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achew22:

off-screen subtitles

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iamlindoro:

Like I said, rendering of subtitles is broken in all released versions of myth

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iamlindoro:

there's nothing to get more info on

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iamlindoro:

By contrast, the forthcoming .24 should make it impossible for such a thing to happen

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wagnerrp:

use the bitmap subs, instead of closed captions

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achew22:

Ah, I'm sorry. I am having a very off night (I'm sick) I terribly misread that message

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achew22:

I'm actually running the mythbuntu .24 builds

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iamlindoro:

The only way that could be possible in current trunk would be a) if you were woefully out of date, or b) you have a very broken X config

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iamlindoro:

or, I suppose, if you have horrible overscan on your display device

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iamlindoro:

(with the last actually being the most likely)

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achew22:

when I watch live TV it looks amazing, the cc's come through beautifully

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achew22:

they look like they are being printed on there by myth

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iamlindoro:

So when do you see the issue?

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achew22:

but the subttles on the movies look like they were rendered into the mpeg

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achew22:

well, it is really a h.264

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achew22:

.mkv

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achew22:

so then I started playing with them in totem and mplayer and vlc

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iamlindoro:

Are you sure you're using the internal player for your video playback?

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achew22:

I believe that I am but I would be more than happy to check that

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achew22:

the only one that isn't "internal" is vcd player

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iamlindoro:

And did you check all the file types too?

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iamlindoro:

beyond that, would need a screenshot to see what's going on

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iamlindoro:

but since Myth renders the subtitle in a rectangle defined by the resized video playback dimensions, being offscreen in trunk playback is more or less impossible without a problematic overscan, broken X config, or not using Myth's player

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achew22:

Okay, so I have the problem on my recording of "prairie home companion", ls *Home* in the videos folder shows it an m4v

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achew22:

and that it is the only one in there

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achew22:

would that be playing with the vcd player?

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iamlindoro:

again, no

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iamlindoro:

per-extension overrides are set in the *file types* dialog

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achew22:

m4v and mkv are both "internal"

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iamlindoro:

Then it sounds like broken X config or a drastically overscanning display device

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iamlindoro:

If you feel that your config is not in error, then you can put a sample up somewhere and we can test

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achew22:

well, it is playing with a border on the bottom

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achew22:

it has a fairly large black box surrounding it

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Beirdo:

kenni: would something like http://webtranslateit.com make your life simpler?

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achew22:

Okay, I started it in geometry 640x480 and the subtitles were still clipped

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achew22:

and I centered it in the screen so that overscan can't be it

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achew22:

I'd be happy to put a short clip of this movie up but I am a little worried about copyright infringement

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iamlindoro:

If you can't put up a clip, nobody can fix anythin that might be broken

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iamlindoro:

We'd require a clip if we had you open a ticket

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achew22:

iamlindoro: is 1 chapter of the movie enough?

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knightr:

Beirdo: Interesting software...

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achew22:

iamlindoro: should I make a ticket and then attach the video clip?

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

until it's proven that there's a myth issue, please dno't open a ticket

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Beirdo:

yeah, I thought so too... and free for open-source :)

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Beirdo:

or so it says

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wagnerrp:

a 10-day free trial on open source software?

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Beirdo:

if it (or similar tool) helps you guys automate your work...

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wagnerrp:

that seems off...

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Beirdo:

Open Source Software and non-profit organisations are entitled to use Web Translate It for free.

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knightr:

Beirdo: I wonder how their staging website is supposed to work though... Once translated we have to check what we did in context by running Myth and I doubt this can run Myth...

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wagnerrp:

ah, so they are not open source, but they open up free access to such organizations

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: correct

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Beirdo:

knightr: I'm not sure on that part... I think we'd have to pull the translations back from them via their API

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Beirdo:

I stumbled across that site from github, BTW

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knightr:

Funny thing is though we have a feeling most translator don't already use the tools we have (Qt Linguist). Looks like most people edit the translation files with a text editor...

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knightr:

(oops, meant translators (plural))

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Beirdo:

heh, wouldn't surprise me

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Beirdo:

just thought I'd point the site out to you guys incase you guys thought it might be worth looking at, but whatever works for you guys :)

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knightr:

it's so much simpler with Qt Linguist than without.. The software propose us already translated strings when they look similar to what we already did, let's use add comments on our translations, etc..

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Beirdo:

oh cool

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Beirdo:

nice to know that you have decent tools available

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knightr:

Beirdo: I'm sure some people would love that though... It's just the testing in context part I'm conceirned about though...

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Beirdo:

understood

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Beirdo:

something to investigate post 0.24, perhaps.

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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knightr:

with Qt Linguist we can edit the text in place and regenerate the Qm files (binary files which contain the translation from Qt Linguist), without too much manipulation... I wonder how this would fare in this regard...

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: was there something that I said earlier that I'd look into?

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knightr:

yep

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Beirdo:

knightr: yeah, dunno :)

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Beirdo:

if it ain't useful in the end, no worries of course :)

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knightr:

Beirdo, could definitely be useful but I can't say how many people would actually use it.. (like I said we already have tools which for some reason some people don't apparently want to use...)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

but being primarily web-based, it might even promote its own use

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Beirdo:

who knows.

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achew22:

Beirdo: I know you may not know/weren't helping earlier but if I need to upload a small short clip of video that is copyrighted what is the best way to get it attached to my ticket? It is 3.1mb so I think it would fit as an attachment in trac but I don't want to cause trouble for whomever administrates trac by having a small copyrighted file on there. How should I do this?

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Beirdo:

that's too large for trac, AFAIK

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Beirdo:

anyways, just find a place to put it that would last long enough for the interested folks to be able to pull it

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Beirdo:

even something like dropbox could work well.

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Beirdo:

and put the URL in the ticket... that would be my suggestion anyways

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knightr:

Beirdo: Yep... Would probably be worthwhile to try it...

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Beirdo:

knightr: yeah, could well be. but certainly not this release, I would think. too late for that now

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knightr:

Beirdo, yep... BTW, for our use normal price would be around 39 Euros if we had to pay for it...

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Beirdo:

yeah. but as open source, we shouldn't need to

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Beirdo:

how many strings are we at these days?

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knightr:

nope, btw, if re-read the thing and if the number of strings listed is a max it would actually cost 59 Euros..

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knightr:

Beirdo: MythFrontend alost is more than 4000...

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Beirdo:

well, they do say it's free for open source, so...

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knightr:

oops, alost=alone...

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Beirdo:

oh wow, we are verbose :)

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knightr:

Beirdo, yep!

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knightr:

Beirdo, I'm currently trying their demo (not the trial, they have some sort of demo...)

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knightr:

ouch, it crashed when I tried to extract the data... guess they did not expect that somebody would try that in the demo...

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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knightr:

ok, it worked when I tried to send a zip file... I wonder how we deal with user management... Looks like we have to send invites to translators...

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Beirdo:

yeah, seems that way

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knightr:

I am currently waiting for the invite I sent myself... (-;

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knightr:

Got the invite... I am currently trying to upload a translation file to see how well it deal with it...

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Beirdo:

not sure if you can send .qm, but it lists .ts

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iamlindoro:

qm is binary compiled ts

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iamlindoro:

ie, non editable

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Beirdo:

ahhhh

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knightr:

Beirdo, pretty sure only ts can be sent since Qm is already compressed and does not necessary contain every string..

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Beirdo:

right

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Beirdo:

I get it now :)

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knightr:

Beirdo, looks like it's going to take 8 minutes to import a MythFrontend translation...

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Beirdo:

heh

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knightr:

oops, now it says 9 minutes...

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knightr:

10...

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Beirdo:

oooh, the Windows-style progress bar

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knightr:

now 11...

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knightr:

hmm, just dropped to 7 now...

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Beirdo:

heh

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knightr:

I wonder if it would be able to deal with MythWeb translation file format (I kinda doubt it's a standard format, I wonder if something like po could be used instead...)

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Beirdo:

what format do we use there?

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Beirdo:

it lists .ini and .php

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knightr:

Apparently it's supposed to take a minute for 1000 strings but when it's more it takes more than 4 minutes...

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knightr:

Beirdo: Some sort of text file with the source string between quotes and the translated strings just under it... I would say its proprietary... (-; (-; (-;

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achew22:

iamlindoro: before I submit a ticket, would you be willing to look at my sample file and see if it works on your end? I'd just like to make sure it is a problem before I post it.

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knightr:

5 mnutes left...

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** wagnerrp really wants to see RED **

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Beirdo:

hmmm, yeah, does seem to be custom. would have to talk to kormoc on that one

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wagnerrp:

something just seems so right with a crazed John Malcovich chasing people down in the streets with a time bomb strapped to his chest

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Beirdo:

yup

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wagnerrp:

man, that looks amazing

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knightr:

Beirdo, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . /French.lang

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wagnerrp:

nothing but senseless comedic violence

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Beirdo:

yeah, I see em

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: my kinda movie :)

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Beirdo:

hah, BP trying to spin their colossal messup

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knightr:

Beirdo, http://www.ohloh.net/p/php-qt

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Beirdo:

"and it's not coming from taxes"

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Beirdo:

no, it's coming from raised gas prices... jerks

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knightr:

Beirdo, just finished importing...

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iamlindoro:

achew22, Your sample plays fine

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iamlindoro:

including all of the subtitles onscreen

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knightr:

Beirdo, not everybody uses them but since they don't have Myth's source code they don't show the string in context in the source code...

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iamlindoro:

the reason they look like garbage is because they're DVD subtitles-- bitmaps

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knightr:

Not sure how useful that is for a "real" translator though (since they probably can't read source code...)

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iamlindoro:

all myth can do with them is overlay them on the screen-- and you ripped the movie a cropped it, but left the subtitles at full resolution

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iamlindoro:

this would be what I was saying when I said, "please don't open a ticket until there is a proven issue with myth"

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achew22:

iamlindoro: thank you so much for your help. I submitted a ticket #9077 but it is bedtime for me. Night.

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hot_wheelz:

anyone running 0.24 get this error video frame buffer overeflow too many times

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wagnerrp:

no, no one is running 0.24

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wagnerrp:

since youre not responding to that, ill explain

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wagnerrp:

there is no 0.24

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wagnerrp:

as 0.24 has not been branched off of trunk

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wagnerrp:

there is only 0.23 and trunk

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wagnerrp:

as for your error, that is something that has too many causes to be debugged without more context

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hot_wheelz:

i am runnig the mythbuntu testing repo

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wagnerrp:

they can call it whatever they want, that doesnt make it 0.24

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knightr:

Beirdo, it has some quirks but works relatively well..

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knightr:

It can even propose translations based on Google's translation engine...

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's kinda neat

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knightr:

yep...

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hot_wheelz:

i'm still here just watching the comments come in :-)

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knightr:

Current problems I can see with it are the time it takes to import, the fact that it only shows the locations but not the context and that it lost my translator's comment I typed in Qt Linguist... All problems which could be fixed though...

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wagnerrp:

im still here just waiting for more context

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: the reliability of these HDDVDs is becoming less than impressive

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wagnerrp:

two so far i cant read

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wagnerrp:

fortunately theyre both WB disks, so i can always trade them in if need be

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Beirdo:

eek

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Beirdo:

wonder how the blocker bugs are coming?

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Beirdo:

coming along, rather

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wagnerrp:

so sphery, youre just on the roster, but you dont actually contribute anything?

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Beirdo:

?

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki?title=Category:MythDev . . . ;oldid=46596

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wagnerrp:

see that blank last entry?

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wagnerrp:

no contributions

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I'm not even in the list

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wagnerrp:

clearly we took away your commit access

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

whatever. That page is... unmaintained, essentially

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Beirdo:

still has Isaac as "Lead Developer"

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Beirdo:

that's not accurate anymore... project originator, sure

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wagnerrp:

of course we have this one too.. http://mythtv.org/wiki/Maintainers

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

that's a lot more recent

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wagnerrp:

both started by the same person

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Beirdo:

heh

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** Beirdo goes off to watch some more shows... from oldest to newest for the meoment **

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Beirdo:

Anthony Bourdain from July, it seems

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Beirdo:

Hmmm

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Beirdo:

anyone know what algorithm is used to determine which SG disk to record to?

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wagnerrp:

its documented in detail on the wiki

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Beirdo:

whatever has most free space in raw numbers?

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Storage_Groups#Storage . . . sk_Scheduler

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Beirdo:

OK.

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Beirdo:

We should do proportionally balanced free space too

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Beirdo:

i.e. if the disk is 50% of the total space, you shouldn't fill it 50% before hitting the other disks, etc

[06:56:00]

Beirdo:

so if the disk is twice the size of the others, it should get twice the recording load, but still spread it out some... just a thought :)

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Beirdo:

kinda balance % full rather than MB free

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Beirdo:

I'll leave the implementation to the interested student

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knightr:

Beirdo, I'll install my HVR-2250 this weekend, what was the trick again to avoid conflict between the NTSC and ATSC tuner (in Myth...)?

[06:57:25]

wagnerrp:

input groups

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Beirdo:

create an input group for each encoder

[06:57:37]

wagnerrp:

one of the advanced options for capture cards

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Beirdo:

put the NTSC and ATSC for each encoder into an input group and it won't allow you to record on more than one at a time

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knightr:

and how does it know not to use the other tuner? I put both in the same?

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Beirdo:

yes

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knightr:

ah, thanks!

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Beirdo:

so for encoder 1, but ATSC 1 and NTSC 1

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Beirdo:

s/but/put/

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knightr:

And the ATSC part is defined as a DVB card?

[06:59:12]

Beirdo:

yes

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knightr:

Thank you!

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Beirdo:

the NTSC as an ivtv-type

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Beirdo:

and it should show up in the selector in that page

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knightr:

just like my pvr-150 and pvr-500 I believe...

[07:00:26]

Beirdo:

yeah, it uses a different driver, but the support code's in the same section

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Beirdo:

been working quite well here

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knightr:

BTW, I got a file back from that web based tools, that thing is not ready for prime time... The file is corrupted and there is a repetition of context in that file which is something the usual Qt tools never do... Could be caused by the fact that it's a demo or PEBKAC (I've got a really bad cold so maybe I did something very very wrong)...

[07:02:21]

knightr:

Beirdo, thanks! BTW, did you apply stoth's latest fixes?

[07:02:44]

Beirdo:

oh crap, I forgot

[07:02:51]

Beirdo:

thanks for the reminder

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knightr:

np

[07:03:20]

Beirdo:

I did read them

[07:03:22]

knightr:

I'll have to get them myself because I don't have his latest stuff....

[07:03:54]

knightr:

(compiled the thing a few days ago but I still had not configured it...)

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Beirdo:

will install that right now, in fact

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Beirdo:

before I forget

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Beirdo:

done

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knightr:

gee, your pc is fast...

[07:08:35]

Beirdo:

heh

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knightr:

(or are you using distcc distributed on multiple PCs?)

[07:08:58]

Beirdo:

i7–860 (quad core at 2.8GHz, with hyperthreading)

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wagnerrp:

just one big one

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Beirdo:

I like it :)

[07:09:42]

knightr:

ouch, ok... I guess my Q6600 is too old...

[07:10:03]

Beirdo:

hehe, I won't say too old... but this thing is pretty spiffy

[07:10:34]

Beirdo:

my new frontend is planned to be an E5400

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Beirdo:

current plan :)

[07:11:25]

Beirdo:

I may do Core 2 Duo instead

[07:11:45]

Beirdo:

but I don't see the purpose in getting TOO much CPU for that box

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Beirdo:

99% of my use will be using VDPAU anyways :)

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knightr:

my new (separate from the backend) frontend is an Atom dual core...

[07:12:47]

Beirdo:

I wanted something LGA775

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knightr:

in this case you did not have much choice... The E5400 does it have VT nowadays? (Intel added VT on processors which did not already have it)

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Beirdo:

I don't need VT

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** wagnerrp makes disparaging remarks about VT-d **

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knightr:

ok.. I guess it's not much use anyway if it's a dedicated frontend anyway...

[07:16:17]

wagnerrp:

not much use for most applications

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Beirdo:

it will be dedicated'

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knightr:

ah, ok...

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Beirdo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119021

[07:18:40]

Beirdo:

that is the box I wanna use

[07:19:00]

knightr:

I was inquiring about I tend to exchange stuff between PCs so I sometimes get them with things I won't need at first... I am tempted to have a vm server eventually (after I install my PBX though...)

[07:19:22]

wagnerrp:

vm server for what purpose?

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knightr:

ITX?

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knightr:

wagnerrp, essentially test machines and to familiarize myself with it...

[07:20:38]

knightr:

(mostly to familiarize myself with it...)

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wagnerrp:

i just have an aversion to full system virtualization

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wagnerrp:

i consider it a giant hammer, when a far more simple and elegant approach is possible

[07:22:05]

wagnerrp:

and while something can be said for throwing more hardware at something which 'just works'

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knightr:

wagnerrp, me too... We have some pretty important servers at work which are virtualized and I hate that... I consider it a single point of failure...

[07:22:09]

wagnerrp:

its overkill for most applications

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knightr:

Beirdo, your PC according to another website... http://www.shopping.com/Foxconn-Foxconn-R40-G . . . s-Intel/info

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wagnerrp:

interesting

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knightr:

wagnerrp, I love the form factor, don't you?

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knightr:

(-;

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Beirdo:

hehe

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knightr:

Beirdo, I guess you will change the video card or use a crystal hd on it?

[07:26:02]

wagnerrp:

knightr: new video card

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knightr:

(change, I guess add would be more appropriate here...)

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wagnerrp:

i dont think he really cares to use that single VGA output there

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knightr:

(-; Good point...

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wagnerrp:

shame... with an HDMI port, that would make a pretty decent system on its own

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knightr:

yep, seems pretty nice overall...

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knightr:

number of watts it uses is pretty low too which is nice...

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Beirdo:

I will put in a GT220

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[R]:

THAT's what she said

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Beirdo:

sorry, got busy :)

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knightr:

yep, should be pretty nice with it...

[07:40:35]

Beirdo:

just need a low-profile one

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[R]:

still what she said...

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Beirdo:

!trout [R]

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** MythLogBot slaps [R] with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

there, now you smell fishy

[07:41:08]

wagnerrp:

any reason to keep an eac3 track around when i have a THD one?

[07:41:21]

Beirdo:

dunno :)

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[R]:

Beirdo: still what she said...

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knightr:

!parrot

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** MythLogBot looks around the channel for parrots for knightr to smack. **

[07:41:39]

Beirdo:

plan on putting in 2 x 2.5" drives

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[R]:

do they come naturally to you.. or whwat?

[07:42:26]

Beirdo:

don't make me kick you in the nads...

[07:42:35]

Beirdo:

that's what she said...

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Beirdo:

heh

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[R]:

ROFL

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wagnerrp:

no means no

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Beirdo:

and yes means no

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[R]:

ffs

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wagnerrp:

and roofies means go

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[R]:

my gf keeps putting my ac at 77

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Beirdo:

and?

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[R]:

its pretty cold and it runs my electric bill up

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Beirdo:

turn it off

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[R]:

well its kinda hot

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wagnerrp:

77 is cold?

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[R]:

but doesnt merit 77

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Beirdo:

kinda hot?

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[R]:

80 max

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Beirdo:

get real

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[R]:

it was set to like 82

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wagnerrp:

why bother running the AC at 82

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Beirdo:

I lived in PR for 4 years with nearly no AC

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[R]:

wagnerrp: freezing

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Beirdo:

don't talk to me about hot :)

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[R]:

wagnerrp: what do you mean why bother?

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[R]:

i could theoretically i could open a window

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[R]:

but then all the sounds from outside would come in

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[R]:

that'd be terrible

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Beirdo:

I leave the windows here open all the time

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Beirdo:

I like the breeze

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wagnerrp:

i mean if all you want is 80s, you could get by with a swamp cooler, or probably a well placed exhaust fan

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Beirdo:

and it's likely 50 or so out right now

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wagnerrp:

both far more efficient than AC

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[R]:

ilol

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[R]:

its 72

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[R]:

i could turn the fan up

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wagnerrp:

outside or inside?

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[R]:

or put my second fan in here

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[R]:

72 outside

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Beirdo:

why do you even have the AC on then?

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wagnerrp:

72 outside, and you want to run the AC at 82 inside?

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

well its set to 77 right now

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wagnerrp:

youre concerned when it gets set to 77?

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Beirdo:

!trout [R] crazy person

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** MythLogBot slaps [R] with a crazy person trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

like was said five minutes ago, turn it off and open some windows

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[R]:

haha

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knightr:

goodnight guys, I doubt I'll be able to get much sleep with that cold but I have to try. Thanks for the help you gave me too.

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[R]:

but then what if its hot in the morning

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Beirdo:

no problem, knightr.

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Beirdo:

go have some vodka, should help... :)

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[R]:

lol

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knightr:

ROTFL...

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Beirdo:

if it's "hot" in the morning, shut the windows and turn on the AC... or live with it

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Beirdo:

it can't be THAT hot at this time of year

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[R]:

oh... but it is

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[R]:

says 91 for tomorrow

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Beirdo:

pish

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Beirdo:

argh

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Beirdo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999192

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Beirdo:

jerks deactivated it

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wagnerrp:

http://forum.xbmc.org/group.php?groupid=16

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Beirdo:

maybe we should kick that guy to test out our shoes... he can do a comparison

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wagnerrp:

i really appreciate seeing a usb cable header cable that gives a big block

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wagnerrp:

i /hate/ dicking around with a dozen little pins when plugging in usb modules

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[R]:

and when the pins are wrong

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[R]:

you gotta dick around with changing them

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wagnerrp:

when is the last time youve seen a motherboard with a non-standard arrangement?

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[R]:

i dunno

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[R]:

but i once blew out the usb port on one

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wagnerrp:

ive never seen one

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[R]:

cuz it was wrong

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[R]:

musta been like 7 years maybe

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Beirdo:

years ago

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wagnerrp:

i would love to see a standardized module for frontpanel modules too

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

you need to put the bong down :)

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wagnerrp:

servers get them, why not us lowly consumers?

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wagnerrp:

what do you get on the front? speaker, two lights, reset and power

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wagnerrp:

theres no reason that couldnt be made into a single plug

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[R]:

how hard is it o plug in 4 hings

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wagnerrp:

hard

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

theres never enough room to get your hands in there

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wagnerrp:

and pliers just dont have the dexterity

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

my current desktop board is great

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Beirdo:

yeah, building a PC can be obnoxious that way

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Beirdo:

especially my mini-itx backend

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wagnerrp:

you get a spacer to plug all the wires into, and then you plug that spacer into the board

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wagnerrp:

lets you connect all the little pins out in the open

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[R]:

wagnerrp: maybe you just have absurdly large hands

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wagnerrp:

i prefer to call them manly

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[R]:

HAHA

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Beirdo:

that's what "she" said

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justinh:

bah. another failed recording last night. this time in the log it seems the database is having problems

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justinh:

this should never happen http://pastebin.ca/1958028

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justinh:

error preparing query? PREPARING?!

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justinh:

never seen an error preparing a query

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sid3windr:

wagnerrp: you need asus boards with the "ezplug" ;)

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sid3windr:

ah

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sid3windr:

you already have that ;)

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justinh:

I think next time I build a box I'll crimp the connectors up all ready for em

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justinh:

ruh? nothing in /var/log/mysql* either. hmmm

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bjd:

justinh: whats max_allowed_packet set to?

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justinh:

no idea

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justinh:

16M

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justinh:

should it be bigger than that?

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justinh:

the optimizing_performance page on the wiki is suggesting 8M

[11:08:45]

justinh:

ahh but a bigger key_buffer. 16M here but the wiki says 48M

[11:09:55]

justinh:

anyway I wouldn't have thought a query as short as the one which gave me an error would cause problems – but maybe the scheduler was also running

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bjd:

it's possible i guess

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justinh:

it was during a busy recording period

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justinh:

think there were already 4 recordings in progress at the time

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kenni:

Beirdo, knightr: regarding doing the translations online; at some point I would like to test Launchpad as an online translation platform. Launchpad is interesting because they already have a massive amount of translators (52544 translators, 317 languages), which probably could be of great benefit to MythTV. Launchpad doesn't use Qt, but use GNU Gettext instead. However, Qt has a tool called "lconvert", which can convert translations between Qt

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knightr:

kenni, it would probably be preferable to find something which support Qt files natively.. The site I tried yesterday supported them natively and wasn't able to deal with context or translator comments and I ended up with corrupted files...

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knightr:

kenni, those translators you mentionned do they work on specific projects or translate things coming from different projects?

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kenni:

knightr, actually, if Qt "natively" support convertion to GNU Gettext, then I don't see it as a big issue...but real Qt support would of course be better

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kenni:

both

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knightr:

kenni, we would lose info from that conversion, no?

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kenni:

AFAICT, some groups just help with overall translations for a specific language, while other groups only do one project

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knightr:

kenni, so they translate things which they don't actually know the context it is used in?

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knightr:

ok

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kenni:

I don't know if we loose info, that's why I said we should test it at some point if we're going in that direction

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kenni:

well, some might translate without testing in context, I don't know...

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knightr:

I used poedit (I think that was the name) in the past and I don't think it supported context, comments, location, etc...

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knightr:

ok

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kenni:

ok, I have never used the po format

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kenni:

knightr, according to the gettext manual, source line references, comments and plural etc. is supported. Anyway, we/I can look at it and test it, if/when we want to go online with the translations

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knightr:

kenni, we won't see the source code if it's on a website though... (-;

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justinh:

why can't we all just get along & speak English?

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** justinh hides **

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kenni:

;)

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knightr:

justinh, could we settle for Esperanto? (-; (wasn't that the language they wanted everybody to use many years ago?)

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bjd:

i volunteer to contribute the lolspeak translations

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justinh:

some people are still angling to get esperanto into use

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justinh:

the fools!

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kenni:

knightr, I think you import the whole project (SVN) into Launchpad, so it is in fact capable of showing the context, as far as I can tell...I wonder if it keeps in sync with SVN or if you have to use Launchpad (eg. their SVN/GIT) for the whole project...

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justinh:

everybody's taking to English. the only problem is they're going with the Americanized (sic) version

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knightr:

kenni, I reinstalled poedit and it does allow to see the source file... It's not as nice as Qt Linguist though...

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knightr:

justinh, (-;

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knightr:

justinh, some people don't have much choice... We (Canada) are so closed to the US that gradually the spelling of words changes to the US version...

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kenni:

knightr, it seems like Launchpad is capable of making translation suggestions based on translations from other projects in Launchpad...that's quite nice

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knightr:

kenni, did you try the site Beirdo suggested? It could propose translations from Google translate which weren't that bad either...

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knightr:

(I was surprised...)

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kenni:

no, I haven't tried it (or Launchpad for that matter), only read about them

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knightr:

ok

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kenni:

on the downside, webtranslateit doesn't have any translation community...on Launchpad you'll apparently join the specific project as well as some group for your language. Eg. you'll be able to talk to experienced translators speaking your own language, if you need input on how to do some translation. I don't know for sure if that's how it works, but that's the impression I get from reading on their website

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knightr:

kenni, that could definitely be an advantage over webtranslate it...

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ciphergoth:

I have the same TwinHan remote control as this guy: http://www.doctort.org/adam/general/update-on . . . ntu-810.html

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ciphergoth:

but I'm having trouble following his instructions.

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ciphergoth:

I've just upgraded from Karmic to Lucid, and the old hack I had to make it work stopped working

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ciphergoth:

so I'm trying the lircd route

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ciphergoth:

but my first problem is that instead of a /dev/input/by-id/usb-Twinhan_Tech_Remote_Control_1111111-event-kbd

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ciphergoth:

I have a /dev/input/by-id/usb-Twinhan_Tech_Remote_Control_1111111-event-if00

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ciphergoth:

and when I use that in place of -kbd in the instructions

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ciphergoth:

the only button that produces any output in ifw is the "TAB" button

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ciphergoth:

all the others produce no effect.

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tank-man:

what is ifw?

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ciphergoth:

irw

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ciphergoth:

sorry

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tank-man:

did you use any other guides where you had to type 'mode2' ?

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ciphergoth:

No

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ciphergoth:

I don't have any recollection of reading or acting on anything that mentioned a "mode2"

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tank-man:

i think it is to test if your remote works, before you go on to the steps involving irw

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ciphergoth:

hmm

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ciphergoth:

mode2 -d /dev/input/by-id/usb-Twinhan_Tech_Remote_Control_1111111-event-if00

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ciphergoth:

mode2: could not get hardware features

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ciphergoth:

mode2: this device driver does not support the LIRC ioctl interface

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ciphergoth:

mode2: did you mean to use the devinput driver instead of the default driver?

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ciphergoth:

but

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ciphergoth:

mode2 -H devinput -d /dev/input/by-id/usb-Twinhan_Tech_Remote_Control_1111111-event-if00

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ciphergoth:

mode2: initializing '/dev/input/by-id/usb-Twinhan_Tech_Remote_Control_1111111-event-if00'

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ciphergoth:

This program does not work for this hardware yet

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ciphergoth:

huh, that's a four-line and a three-line paste – what's the limit for this channel>?

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tank-man:

if one button works, prehaps you just need a config file, not the premade one

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ciphergoth:

sounds very plausible

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ciphergoth:

so how do I go about finding out what code each key generates?

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wagnerrp:

ciphergoth: mode2 offers direct access to the output of your IR receiver

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wagnerrp:

where as irw and mythtv will receive the key codes as processed through your lircd.conf

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ciphergoth:

wagnerrp: sounds good – any idea what I need to do to work around the problems set out above and get it workign?

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wagnerrp:

havent read the backlog

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ciphergoth:

do I need to use a different driver?

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Twinhan_USB_HID_Remote

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wagnerrp:

sid3windr: actually, this is an MSI board

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ciphergoth:

wagnerrp: thanks for pointing me to that Wiki page!

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ciphergoth:

sadly now I can't seem to get my new udev rules to work

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ciphergoth:

I've created a file /etc/udev/rules.d/10-twinhan.rules

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wagnerrp:

never used an HID remote, so i cant help you beyond that link

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ciphergoth:

which is patterned after the one in the wiki

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ciphergoth:

but after sudo restart udev I don't see the symlink in /dev/input

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ciphergoth:

I used udevadm to find out what match strings to use, rather than just copying what the wiki had

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ciphergoth:

tried both the devices listed in /proc/bus/input/devices

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clever:

ciphergoth: restarting udev may not work

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clever:

ciphergoth: the rules usualy only run when the device is connected

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clever:

if its usb, then just reconnect it, nothing has to be reloaded/restarted

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ciphergoth:

clever: that worked – thanks!

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ciphergoth:

so: I have a suitable udev rule that creates a symlink, I've set up my hardware.conf to refer to the symlink using the devinput driver, and I've yoinked the lircd.conf from the Wiki page http://mythtv.org/wiki/Twinhan_USB_HID_Remote

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ciphergoth:

But when I run "irw", only the "Tab" button produces output.

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ciphergoth:

Note that the variable names in my lircd.conf are prefixed with "REMOTE_" unlike the example on the wiki – I take it that's just a matter of what distro you're running

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ciphergoth:

I have a hid_twinhan module in the kernel – could that be causing trouble?

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ciphergoth:

nope, looks like that's essential to having the "Tab" button work

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ciphergoth:

This email mentions using a tool called "irremote" http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/195416

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ciphergoth:

but it doesn't seem to be in Lucid http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=co . . . amp;arch=any

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tgm4883:

ciphergoth, I haven't read the backlog as to what you are doing, but are you looking for irrecord?

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ciphergoth:

tgm4883: looks like it – thanks!

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tgm4883:

yw

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vezza:

Hi! the scan can't find any DVB-T channel with an Hauppauge HVR-4000 card... does someone has the same problem?

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wagnerrp:

4000 or 4400?

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vezza:

4000

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wagnerrp:

ok, the 4000 is no longer sold, and the 4400 is not supported in linux... just checking

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wagnerrp:

try bumping up your tuning timeouts

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vezza:

ok

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ciphergoth:

AAAAAAAAAAARGH

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ciphergoth:

just painstakingly input every code with irrecord

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ciphergoth:

and the resulting conf file maps every code to 0x0

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clever:

some ir receivers cant record codes

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clever:

the receiver decodes it for you and outputs some other code

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ciphergoth:

*bashes head off wall*

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ciphergoth:

I thought I was so close

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clever:

my usb ir receiver acts as a keyboard&mouse, so i dont expect it to work on any other remote

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clever:

but i think lirc can take the fake keyboard keys and then just use them as lirc buttons

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ciphergoth:

I used to just remap the codes

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ciphergoth:

but now only the tab key is generating a code

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ciphergoth:

actually that's not true, some other butons are

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ciphergoth:

but some aren't including all the numbres

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ciphergoth:

the ones that do generate events generate appropriate X keysyms

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ciphergoth:

but eg none of the number keys generate events

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ciphergoth:

so: of the 32 buttons, 1 works with lirc/irw; 11 work with X

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ciphergoth:

am I just hosed? Others have got this working, but what works for them seems not to work for me, even though the device appears identical

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ciphergoth:

cat /dev/input/irremote gives me output on every button press

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vezza:

wagnerrp: I increased the timeout to 20000 but it doesn't work

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vezza:

wagnerrp: in the shell I get: Tune(): Frequency tuning successful; then I get: SetChannel(-1, -1) ; Start: begin; Start: end; and then:AddFlags: Seen() Match() Wait(Sig,) until the timeout...

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ciphergoth:

OK I've spent nearly three hours on trying to get a remote control that used to work under Karmic working under Lucid, but now I have to shop for food and cook dinner.

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kisak:

does anyone else use mythtv with Verizon FiOS via firewire?

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stoth:

kisak: I've using it with cablevision in the past

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kisak:

I'm not familular with cablevision

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kisak:

I have about 130 channels that fail to get a signal lock with firewire

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kisak:

oddly, there appears to be a regional trend as to where the channel originates

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stoth:

sure it's a lock issue?

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kisak:

west coast channels appear to be fine, while east coast channels have trouble

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kisak:

the log says something along the lines of "Can't handle large PAT's"

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stoth:

then it's a PAT size problem likely.

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stoth:

how large is the PAT?

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kisak:

how do I find something like that out?

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stoth:

dvbsnoop would help if you have a snapshot of the file on disk

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kisak:

what file?

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stoth:

the firewaire transport stream

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kisak:

I don't have a method setup to catch a transport stream directly

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stoth:

then how are you planning to debug the stream?

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kisak:

dunno yet, that's why I'm running it by someone else, got a recommendation?

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stoth:

wht did google suggest for linux + firewire + tools

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vezza:

hi, I'm getting this error when I try to scan for channels: DVBChan(4:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend1) Warning: Unsupported bandwidth parameter

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stoth:

which card / driver?

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vezza:

Hauppauge HVR-4000. What's that warning? After that I get a timeout

[17:01:02]

stoth:

somebody is passing an illegal bandwidth value to the driver, most likely.

[17:02:45]

vezza:

somebody who?

[17:07:59]

stoth:

probably myth. Does the card work correctly using the command line tv test tools from linuxtv.org?

[17:09:09]

kisak:

well, a 22 minute pause, then I'll take down mythbackend and try to get a sample of a bad transport stream

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stoth:

kisak: you might wanna try and exercise the hardware using szap/tzap from dvb-apps at linuxtv.org

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kisak:

well, I grabbed {a/c/s/t}zap

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stoth:

are you testing dvb-t or dvb-s?

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kisak:

I don't know honestly

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stoth:

errrr. what cable do you have connected?

[17:21:56]

kisak:

verizon FiOS

[17:22:13]

stoth:

sorry, my bad.

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kisak:

so ... dvb-c?

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stoth:

no, my bad, that's what I get for walking away and talking to two people at the same time.

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stoth:

you need to use......

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kisak:

it's not dvb-c

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stoth:

if you make a recording of a bad channel, does myth write it to disk?

[17:25:32]

kisak:

no

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stoth:

sure?

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kisak:

yup, there's an empty file that is discarded

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stoth:

ok. the 1394 packages contain a number of firewire capture tools.

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stoth:

one sec, trying to find them

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kisak:

I grabbed dvgrab a couple minutes ago, I'm waiting for mythtv to finish capturing a show so I can take it down

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stoth:

that may work. libiec61883 project has a bunch of tools for capturing the raw transport. I've used these in the past.

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stoth:

mpg1394grab.c for example

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kisak:

alright, back to trying to catch this sample capture

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kisak:

dvgrab doesn't seem to do anything productive

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hednod:

is there a script out there to tell me which files in my records dir are in the database and which ones are not?

[18:06:36]

hednod:

i have 7 videos in the database but i see many, many more than that in the recordings dir

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hednod:

wait... they are slowly disappearing

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sphery:

likely live tv

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sphery:

Watch Recordings screen, MENU|Change Group Filter|Live TV

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sphery:

then you can delete them

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ciphergoth:

In case anyone has joined who can help, here is my saga of woe. I've just upgraded from Karmic to Lucid, and my remote control has stopped working. It's one of these: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Twinhan_USB_HID_Remote . With Karmic, every button generated an X keycode, and I remapped these to suitable keysyms. Under Lucid, only of the 11 of the 32 buttons generate X events. Googling around it seemed like LIRC was the better

[18:22:19]

ciphergoth:

way to get it working. I've got udev set up to map the device to /dev/input/irremote. "cat /dev/input/irremote" shows every button does something, but both of the lircd.conf files for it I can find online seem to generate an event only for the "tab" key (testing with "irw"). I tried generating my own lircd.conf file with irrecord, but it mapped every key to the keycode 0x0. Is there anything left for me to try?

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ciphergoth:

More information: this config file http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/devinput/lircd.conf.devinput seems to work for all buttons except the number buttons.

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[R]:

i use inputlirc for my devinput stuff

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[R]:

works awesomely

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ciphergoth:

I can see "inputlirc: started" in my syslog, but irw says "connect: Connection refused"

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[R]:

cuz you need to figure out what socket inputlirc is using and tell irw to use it

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ciphergoth:

aj

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ciphergoth:

My God, it works!

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ciphergoth:

thank you so much!

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DanC__:

I see "Normally mythfilldatabase is run automatically by mythbackend every 24 hours." http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythfilldatabase but I don't think it's working like that here. Where can I check that it's configured correctly etc?

[19:06:29]

wagnerrp:

DanC__: actually, mythfilldatabase runs whenever it feels like it

[19:06:36]

wagnerrp:

schedules direct recommends a time to update next

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv runs it during its daily housekeeping duties

[19:07:04]

wagnerrp:

manual operation through cron is only needed for those using xmltv grabbers

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DanC__:

should I find evidence of this in mythbackend.log?

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[R]:

its awesome how when you miss the scheduled time, it still does ti

[19:15:40]

DanC__:

I don't see anything about datadirect or mythfilldatabase in my logs. hmm.

[19:17:04]

DanC__:

hmm... but running it manually doesn't fix the fact that there are no mythweb search matches for "dog whisperer"

[19:17:37]

DanC__:

oh. duh. not on broadcast

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stoth:

Beirdo: You seeing any 2250 issues where 1hr recordings show up in myt as 20mins or shorter, and skipping around jumps by odd amounts of time?

[19:40:58]

wagnerrp:

stoth: do the recordings otherwise play fine?

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stoth:

so I hear

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wagnerrp:

thats likely nothing to do with the 2250, but rather a bad stream coming from the broadcaster

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Beirdo:

stoth: nott at all

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stoth:

hmm. I should be clear, I mean thrugh the analog encoder.

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Beirdo:

neither ATSC or NTSC, so far

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stoth:

k. thx

[19:42:07]

Beirdo:

I'll force some recordings there to be sure, but I haven't seen that yet

[19:42:19]

stoth:

pcr resetting in the encoder, I wonder.

[19:46:32]

Beirdo:

hehe, Anthony Bourdain is from New Jersey? fun

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Beirdo:

time to go get food & coffee

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FordyBSD:

hello.. i'm having a problem with my mythfrontend (that previously worked).. on the same machine as the master backend, mythfrontend gives me:

[20:16:23]

FordyBSD:

Connection to master server timed out. Either the server is down or the master server settings in mythtv-settings does not contain the proper IP addres

[20:17:00]

wagnerrp:

seems straight forward to me

[20:17:04]

FordyBSD:

my mythfrontend on a remote system, and the remote mythbackend all connect fine (and tuners from both backends can be seen in mythweb) .. any ideas

[20:17:06]

wagnerrp:

either your backend isnt running

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wagnerrp:

or the IP is set wrong

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wagnerrp:

is it possible you have a second database that it is trying to connect to?

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FordyBSD:

wagnerrp: hmm.. i dont think so, but ho would i check?

[20:18:38]

wagnerrp:

are you running the frontend and backend under the same user account?

[20:18:53]

wagnerrp:

mythtv pulls the backend connection address from the database

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wagnerrp:

and the database credentials from ~/.mythtv/config.xml

[20:19:13]

wagnerrp:

make sure that file used by the frontend and backend match

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FordyBSD:

backend is a service (service mythbackend start) and the frontend runs as a user (mythtv)

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wagnerrp:

there is nothing preventing a service from running as a user other than root

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FordyBSD:

hmm

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FordyBSD:

the media-renderer (guid?) is different

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter

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sid3windr:

wagnerrp: re msi board, then I hope they took the same standard location as asus.. which could be the start of standard frontpanel connector then ;)

[20:26:45]

FordyBSD:

DBHostName is different.. its the hostname of the box in root's ~/.mythtv/config.xml and in the mythtv user's ~/.mythtv/config.xml it is 'localhost' .. when i edited it to be the hostname of the local machine to match root's config file, it was reset back to 'localhost' after running mythfrontend .. ?

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sphery:

FordyBSD: means the frontend was unable to log in to the database on the other system, so it tried localhost and successfully connected, so it reset the config file

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sphery:

FordyBSD: solutions: a) make sure you have only /one/ mythconverg database on your entire network (drop all others), and b) fix the permissions on the "real" database

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FordyBSD:

localhost *is* where the master backend runs..

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sphery:

so if it's the same host, I don't know what the problem is

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sphery:

but if it's the same host, then the DBHostName won't matter

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sphery:

(i.e. if both values are the same)

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sphery:

meaning

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FordyBSD:

hmm.. well i seem to have sufficantly screwed things up such that mythweb/status no longer finds the master backend :(

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sphery:

sounds like you need to re-run mythtv-setup and closely check the master backend and backend ip address settings

[20:40:40]

sphery:

and don't use hostnames for htem

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sphery:

and, since you have remote hosts, you can not use localhost or 127.0.0.1 anywhere

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sphery:

(it's only valid for the DBHostName and only on the host that has the database)

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sphery:

but nowhere in mythtv settings

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wagnerrp:

frontends can access the database from localhost

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wagnerrp:

however if you set that on the backend

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wagnerrp:

upnp autosetup will be broken

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wagnerrp:

as it will tell remote systems to connect to the database at localhost

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sphery:

point is that localhost/127.0.0.1 won't work anywhere except in config.xml/mysql.txt

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wagnerrp:

agreed

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wagnerrp:

best to just avoid it entirely in all cases

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wagnerrp:

(even if you are only using a single machine)

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sphery:

agreed

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FordyBSD:

so i'm confused then..

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FordyBSD:

i *had* in mythtv-setup 'totally' (my hostname for the master backend) as both the 'local back end IP address' and 'master backend ip address' .. and it was unable for my localfront end to connect

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FordyBSD:

when i just now set both of those to 'localhost' in mythtv-setup it worked.. (then after resetting both back to the hostname totally as it makes more sense for them to be, i was back in the state where the frontend would not connect ? that seems backwards based on what you said and what the menus say..

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sphery:

read carefully

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sphery:

the part that says, "IP address"

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FordyBSD:

ah, though the remote backend only connect correctly prior to being restarted.. after being restarted it does try to go to 'localhost' which is the remote machine and has no master backend..

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sphery:

totally is /not/ an IP address

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miner49er:

hello?

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FordyBSD:

sphery: ..hmm true..

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FordyBSD:

doh :( my /etc/hosts doesnt have totally defined as 192.168.1.200 anymore :( .. does that explain my problem?

[21:01:05]

sphery:

still, don't use hostnames

[21:01:08]

sphery:

it will break some things

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sphery:

where it says ip address, use ip address

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miner49er:

Here goes with my question: I've just rebuilt Mythtv0.23 (sources takes from Debian Lenny distro) on Ubuntu 9.10 and when it comes to playing liveTV the screen goes black and when I play a recording the pictures there but it's really bright and kinda green looking. Any ideas of how to fix this? (I'm going down this odd route because when I updated my server (debian) it broke all clients and I thought it would b

[21:03:04]

FordyBSD:

i'm just happy to have things working again..

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FordyBSD:

thanks sphery and wagnerrp

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sphery:

miner49er: sounds like broken video driver install

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FordyBSD:

a different(ish?) question then.. on my remote backend .. if i as root do service mythbackend start — it happily says 'ok' .. but doesnt actually connect.. but if as root i just run 'mythbackend' it connects .. any ideas?

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miner49er:

@Sphery: But normal video playback works okay (mplayer plays avi files okay). Any tests I can do to determine for sure?

[21:09:10]

sphery:

mplayer is using a different video ouput method

[21:09:33]

sphery:

change your playback profile group to Slim in Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback (3rd screen in)

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FordyBSD:

nevermind.. i found the faulty mysql.txt

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miner49er:

aah, this playback profile group is new for this version, yes? I shall try that, thanks :-)

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FordyBSD:

thanks again guys, hav ea great weekend

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miner49er:

Naaah, just tried it, it didn't work :-(. Live TV, weird light-green screen (sound though, whoo-hoo!) and recordings just black screen :-(

[21:15:01]

miner49er:

It shouldn't be necessary to rebuild the server surely? I _have_ the identical source code to use on clients...

[21:17:07]

miner49er:

I _really_ want MythTV to work. I hate the thought of losing 'faith' in the project (I've been using it for 5 years but things like my wife moaning that her DVD won't play properly is really depressing)

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Beirdo:

uh huh

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miner49er:

Thanks for the help guys!

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Beirdo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5kGUW6M7W0

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Beirdo:

too bad it's so quiet for me

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wagnerrp:

who needs a boot to the head?

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Beirdo:

boot to the head!

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Beirdo:

Canadian comedians FTW

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wagnerrp:

so one of my harmonies has stopped recharging, as did my previous harmony and nearly all my logitech devices before it

[21:53:44]

wagnerrp:

contacts on the device went bad

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Beirdo:

eek

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wagnerrp:

so as always... i drop a dab of solder on each of the contacts

[21:54:24]

wagnerrp:

well seems i overheated one of the contacts, resulting in it softening the plastic and poping into the unit

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Beirdo:

oops

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wagnerrp:

i open of the device and find... its not connected to anything

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wagnerrp:

three goldish colored contacts on the bottom of the unit

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wagnerrp:

and the middle one does nothing

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Beirdo:

odd

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Beirdo:

I wish I had mythtv when that show was still on the air

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Beirdo:

... and one for Jenny and the wimp.

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m4xx:

anyone care to help me get my hvr 1600 card working. it's showing up in the card list but when i scan for channels it comes up with nothing

[22:09:55]

wagnerrp:

what is it showing up as?

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wagnerrp:

in other words, what card type

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m4xx:

hvr 1600 cx18 or something

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m4xx:

hold on lemme get to the screen

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wagnerrp:

in mythtv-setup, what card type

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m4xx:

i have it set to IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card and the video devices is set to /dev/video0

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m4xx:

which i had to manually put in

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wagnerrp:

chances are you cable company no longer offers analog cable service

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m4xx:

in the probed info it shows "Happauge HVR-1600 [cx18]"

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m4xx:

it has the digital tuner

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m4xx:

how would i set that up?

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wagnerrp:

the 'dvb' card type

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Beirdo:

is the HVR1600 even compatible with the MPEG-2 encoder code?

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m4xx:

it says it is in the wiki

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Beirdo:

k

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Beirdo:

we really need to be sure that all the supported drivers show in the setup list when we redo it

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m4xx:

how can i find out which frequency table i should be using?

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wagnerrp:

us-cable

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Beirdo:

right now, cx18 won't be in that list, AFAIK, and you'd have to put it in manually for the analog support

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Beirdo:

but since that's gonna get reworked...

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m4xx:

us cable isn't an option. cable, cable hrc, cable irc, broadcast

[22:16:28]

m4xx:

when i scan with cable, i dont get any of the low channels that i believe i should. i haven't let it go through though

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wagnerrp:

what 'low' channels do you think you should get?

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Beirdo:

you should let the scan finish, I would think

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m4xx:

2, 6, 8

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wagnerrp:

you do understand that you are not likely to get more than the local broadcast channels over digital cable, right?

[22:17:25]

wagnerrp:

and even then, they will be on arbitrary channels, not necessary the ones you think they will be on

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m4xx:

i was not aware =[

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m4xx:

what would i have to do, get a box from my provider?

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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m4xx:

i can view the channels when i plug in straight to the tv

[22:18:50]

m4xx:

if that works i should be able to get those same channels on the tuner card, no?

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wagnerrp:

anything you can get on the tv, you should be able to receive with the tuner card

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iamlindoro:

also likely confusing virtual channel with physical/frequency channel

[22:20:24]

iamlindoro:

ie, what you think of as channel "2" very likely lives on some random physical channel like 90

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m4xx:

ah

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iamlindoro:

so short answer, as beirdo said, you need to scan the whole range (cable) and let it finish

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Beirdo:

that is also the case with ATSC (over the air)

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iamlindoro:

and also bear in mind that if your TV is an analog tuner, then the channels you have there may have no relation to what you will get on the digital tuner of the 1600

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m4xx:

i'm see-ing things like "qam-256 channel 82 — timed out, 16 possible channels" is this a good or a bad sign?

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iamlindoro:

it's not a sign period

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m4xx:

damn ;\

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Beirdo:

16 possible channels means 16 possible channels though

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iamlindoro:

sort of

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wagnerrp:

you should also be pulling any analog lineup from your schedules direct account, not scanning

[22:22:51]

iamlindoro:

anyway, now you've involved three random strangers without ever letting a scan finish-- that's a sign of something

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Beirdo:

yeah, sort of :) the emphasis being on "possible"

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m4xx:

sorry, i really do appreciate your input though :)

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ciphergoth:

what tells mythtv to listen to /var/run/lirc/lircd ?

[22:24:01]

wagnerrp:

nothing should, that file just contains a PID number

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ciphergoth:

it's a socket

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ciphergoth:

it's what irw listens to by default

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wagnerrp:

it should be an integer, to tell your init scripts what process to terminate

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wagnerrp:

the socket should be in /dev

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ciphergoth:

are you sure? Because irw is configured to listen to that by default under Ubuntu Lucid

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ciphergoth:

and lirc was configured to write events to it

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ciphergoth:

I know that's what /var/run is usually used for but in this instance I don't think that file is suppiosed to be a pid

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wagnerrp:

ah, /var/run/lirc/lircd.pid is the id file

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ciphergoth:

makes sense

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ciphergoth:

see also /var/run/mysql/mysqld.sock – same kind of thing

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ciphergoth:

or /var/run/avahi-daemon/socket

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ciphergoth:

so thanks to replacing lirc with inputlircd, I now get useful events out of irw

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ciphergoth:

but Mythtv doesn't seem to be listening to them

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Beirdo:

ugh

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ciphergoth:

and this guide seems to indicate that it should Just Work if you drop the right file in ~/lirc http://www.doctort.org/adam/general/update-on . . . ntu-810.html

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Beirdo:

just got an on-call call

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lyricnz:

morning mythtvites

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tgm4883:

Is there a way to add a seektable rebuilding job to the queue from the command line?

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wagnerrp:

not at current, no

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tgm4883:

:(

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wagnerrp:

you can run a commflag, which will have the same effect

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wagnerrp:

but be rather slow

[23:10:28]

wagnerrp:

oh, nevermind... kinda, sorta

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tgm4883:

yea all I really want to do is build seektables for all my videos for mythvideo

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tgm4883:

or for most of my videos anyway

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wagnerrp:

there is no built in job for building a seek table

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wagnerrp:

and there is no way to run jobs on videos from the UI

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, doesn't have to be from the UI

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wagnerrp:

you can manually define user jobs by setting the proper settings

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wagnerrp:

after which you would have to issue a settings reload

[23:12:02]

wagnerrp:

but its better to do that from mythtv-setup

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tgm4883:

I created a python script to move videos into my videos storage group, set permissions/ownership and start a seektable rebuild for the file

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tgm4883:

but it does it there, not in the background/no queue

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wagnerrp:

im not sure how you would pass the necessary information through the jobqueue anyway

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tgm4883:

so for multiple videos it's kinda a pain

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, mythcommflag --rebuild

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iamlindoro:

"Do not flag commercials, just rebuild seektable"

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: right... but im trying to think of a way to do it through the jobqueue

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tgm4883:

and no cmdline options to add "mythcommflag --rebuild --video Video.avi" to the queue

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wagnerrp:

and you would need '--video <filename>' for mythvideo stuff

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, I do

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tgm4883:

i've got that

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tgm4883:

it's just I have multiple videos to do, it would be convenient to be able to queue them rather than having to come back and start the next one whenever the first finishes

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tgm4883:

especially since IDK how much time is remaining

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wagnerrp:

just have your script loop through them in batch fashion

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, well yea, that is an idea. If I had started it with just that in mind though I wouldn't have bothered using the mythtv python bindings to find storage group information :)

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wagnerrp:

actually...

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wagnerrp:

seems theres nothing built into the jobqueue for `args`

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wagnerrp:

so youll have to set up your script to receive a JOBID

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wagnerrp:

then read the `args` field from there to get the video filename

[23:17:07]

wagnerrp:

then youll have to manually insert your own jobs and supply that `args` field

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, that would still be for starting it from the UI via a userjob?

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wagnerrp:

no, that would run it through the UI

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wagnerrp:

erm... run it through the jobqueue

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tgm4883:

i see

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wagnerrp:

but there is still no UI interaction between mythvideo and the jobqueue

[23:17:45]

wagnerrp:

the UI interface only works for recordings

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wagnerrp:

are you moving recordings into mythvideo?

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tgm4883:

yea, although not doing a scan for videos or anything

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tgm4883:

basically the script does this

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wagnerrp:

or is this just a bunch of stuff you already have and you want seektables?

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tgm4883:

takes videopath argument, moves it into storage group, sets ownership/permissions so mythtv can delete from UI, rebuilds seektable

[23:19:07]

tgm4883:

it could already be in the storage group or it could be in any directory

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tgm4883:

hmm, brb have to pick up my car from the tire store

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Beirdo:

always so much fun to get paged on the weekend

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oobe:

I bet your only pretending to be sarcastic and you secretly enjoy it

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m4xx:

my remote doesn't seem to be working, when i open irw and press buttons on the remote, nothing happens

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m4xx:

lircd is running

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[R]:

m4xx: is your config correct?

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m4xx:

i selected the dvbs card from the mythtv control center

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m4xx:

i also tried the hapauge tv card

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m4xx:

that didnt work either

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[R]:

right...

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[R]:

so that would be a no

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: try this... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1958429

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[R]:

m4xx: so you follow the lirc instructions and mkae a config...

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m4xx:

ok

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wagnerrp:

just add it to a userjob, 'jobname.py %JOBID%'

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wagnerrp:

then you can call it manually with 'jobname.py <filename>'

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wagnerrp:

or the jobqueue will call it with 'jobname.py <jobid>'

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wagnerrp:

it will insert a new job into the queue with the filename set in the `args` field

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wagnerrp:

and then when run, it will pull it back out of that field

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, will do, thanks

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, did you just write that or did you pull it from somewhere?

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wagnerrp:

just wrote

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tgm4883:

nice work

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tgm4883:

one question, line 39 is suppose to be except:?

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tgm4883:

err, line 36

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wagnerrp:

err.. yeah

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wagnerrp:

i always get for...else... and try...except... mixed up

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m4xx:

hmm i dont even have a lirc device =\

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m4xx:

as in, there is no /dev/lirc0

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[R]:

m4xx: sounds like you have no driver laoded

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